Nebulous: Fleet Command

[supple sonnet]

yeah Liners now perfer to roll insted of yawing

[mint sinew]

Their choice of spin direction is something I haven't got a full handle on yet, but it's a good upgrade

[random grove]

Interesting

[misty storm]

@wicked mirage how did you re-design yang for the berthing-be-gone? i couldnt really figure out how to fill the extra slot since idk whats crucial for tanking and what isnt. in general, is just splitting a large into 2 smalls a good idea?

[wicked mirage]

I just put in an Aux Steering in the nose in case something happens to the Citadel CIC

[misty storm]

ok

[junior heron]

I've been stacking 2x ReDC in the nose, should I not be doing that?

[eternal bramble]

I've also been doing that in my Solomon

Most of Setra's front and core is reinforced components

[opaque kiln]

RDCs are really expensive for the tank they provide compared to aux steerings, DCCs, and SWs

[eternal bramble]

I also like the no of crews it gives me

[opaque kiln]

I'd bring one RDC so that you can zombie back your larges if you take missile hits

[eternal bramble]

But I might think of switching tbh

[opaque kiln]

my typical BB design has 2x aux, 2x DCC, 2x SW, 1x RDC, and 4x LDC

the DC team buffs from the DCC and workshop are also extremely good

[eternal bramble]

Mhm... I'll have to think about switching to that

I like having 18 teams

[opaque kiln]

here's the particular layout I use, if you're interested

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Quad drive BB' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

Richmond F. Aile : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Gun PD EWar Sensor]
  Gator of Belle : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun Sensor PD]
      Desk Seven : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun Sensor PD]
           Loach : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-100 Riposte III : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
 SGM-123 Ghost Bird : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [1pts]

[noble zodiac]

ruby
name update !!! 👀

did pyrope Get You with the rwby brainworms too or

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> opening the boat night channels slightly early cause i'm gonna be busy o/

[ivory juniper]

BOAT :D 🛳️

is there anyone else? :(

[supple sonnet]

sorry preping for the finally of our campain

[quiet quiver]

My sleep cycle's been fucked, alas

I'm awake now but still not in shape to play

[junior heron]

same unfortunately
I pretty much went right back to sleep after the dota games

but I'm around now if anyone would like some late boat games

[amber spire]

aw balls

I was deep asleep when the call happened

[quiet quiver]

https://youtu.be/dI_emN5fgNg?si=9qAFXamfyF8mXmWs

[runic torrent]

omg

@arctic magnet ^

[arctic magnet]

lmao

[oak shell]

Boat night in an hour

I've been away a few weeks, what branch are we on?

[junior heron]

pretty sure everything's on main right now

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> it's boat time, what's the head count looking like tonight?

[ivory juniper]

im here

[quiet quiver]

Also here

[oak shell]

Caltrop gaming

[deft current]

I do wonder do mods out side fight night even get used?

[mint sinew]

Sometimes. At the moment there is a dedicated server that is intended to host games with the Falcatta faction mod that runs modded games like half the time. Without prompts like that or community events it's hard to get the organised buy in you need for people to make modded fleets

[deft current]

Aight, sad tough all these awesome mods but no one is in for mixed fleets

[mint sinew]

Mixed fleet games tend to be a lot worse than uniform factions because of how diverse the threat profiles can be

Even consider a mix of the two vanilla factions. If you PD needs to potentially survive both hybrids, container salvos and mass S2s you're going to have a rough time

Organising mod faction games means you need all 8ish players to learn the mod, build a fleet for/against it and then still have time for a game. Not impossible but certainly less likely than vanilla

[rigid bison]

That middle part is crucial - OBL’s starter fleets are something I wish more modders did

[rain mica]

there’s starter fleets for PRISM somewhere

[oak shell]

Are we on for boat night today?

[ivory juniper]

i hope

[quiet quiver]

I'm probably not unless we can get a fullish house, not a day where I'm feeling stack v pub

Anyway, <@&942093958551588904>, channels are open

[runic torrent]

! thank you teech

[deft current]

Say besides here and Nebdis there aren’t any Neb "related" servers no?

[supple sonnet]

there is the cursed competitive server and the coloseam

[tulip vault]

the colosseum is also cursed tbh

[supple sonnet]

True

[deft current]

In what way are they both cursed?

[tulip vault]

can't speak to the comp server but the colosseum is run by a shithead

or at least was the last time I checked

[supple sonnet]

That's about the case for the competatvie server as well, thouhg in that case the owner is knowen for being wrong about mecanics and then arguing incesentaly that he is right

like arguing that Eregs are better on Beemstones then FPA's

[tulip vault]

oh is it the person who insisted that the og railgun meta was good?

[supple sonnet]

That sounds about right

there are a few servers as well that are deicaed to certian mods but we have never botherd to look to cololy into them

[mint sinew]

Also a few streamers that play(ed) Neb have little channels like this one

[olive blade]

the comp server had some very rancid memes

that people didn't seem to mind

[bitter furnace]

the comp server is almost entirely unmoderated and thus not surprisingly its active population consists of people who dislike getting moderated on the main nebcord and the colosseum :V

[topaz jolt]

It went mucho squish

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> dst makes stuff confusing so just to get the times down clear: boat club is on <t:1730574000:t> <t:1730574000:R>

[wicked mirage]

Hullo?

<@&942093958551588904> Boat night anyone? ^^

[junior heron]

hello

[noble zodiac]

i have a Flying Circus campaign D:

[wicked mirage]

Together, we ride!

[mint sinew]

I'll be on in 5

[wicked mirage]

yay

[runic torrent]

Aaaa I'm sorry

<@&942093958551588904> I think I opened the channels

I'm on my phone

[wicked mirage]

Thanks Winged ^^

[runic torrent]

Yeah my bad just ping me when I forget

[junior heron]

the funniest lobby...

[noble zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-gif-5219878

[junior heron]

the yellow bars are to represent when you turn into a simpsons character

[ivory juniper]

I will arrive soon and tierd perfect for NEB

[quiet quiver]

Those were actually some pretty good pub teams TBH

[ivory juniper]

so proud of my litte swiss cheese cosplayer

[runic torrent]

since I've been reminded to do this

next boat night is on <t:1731182400:F> <t:1731182400:R>

@spiral solstice

[topaz jolt]

Hii there.
I can play again as I'm now using a new internet. And it's soooo much more stable than the last one.

[rigid bison]

also acording to Lys the team will "have some concrete information for you in a few weeks" regarding news on Carriers

[amber spire]

CARRIER SWEEP

[dark dawn]

Oh wow
The textured OSP scout looks even more like the Hercules from Freespace

[low monolith]

I thought this was just a low res image of the OSP Scout for a solid minute

[dark dawn]

[runic torrent]

Channels open!!!

<@&942093958551588904>

[ivory juniper]

WEEEEE

[noble zodiac]

oh yeah

fight night

I ACTUALLY EXIST

FOR ONCE

[ivory juniper]

WOOOOOOOO

[rigid bison]

I exist too

[topaz jolt]

Hecks, I missed the time.

[amber spire]

😔 I was asleep

4am...

One of these days I'll see those ships in action, in real time

[wet root]

Right now botenights are fairly dead I think, but I expect we'll see a lot more activity once carriers are out

[deft current]

Semi Neb related

Actually nvm solved itself

Actually second question arose, Nebdis doesn’t do appeals on Bans no?

[quiet quiver]

They probably do? Lemme check

Can’t tell, I guess ask NSLW or someone (or wait for him to see here)

[deft current]

Who?

[quiet quiver]

NotSoLoneWolf, one of the Nebcord mods who sometimes frequents this channel

[deft current]

Aight

Ehh why not

@bitter furnace

[bitter furnace]

Apologies, had a busy weekend and forgot to respond to your DM. Will continue this there

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> opened the boat night channels o/

[wicked mirage]

<@&942093958551588904> Anyone wanna play a game?

[junior heron]

sure

[noble zodiac]

i need to get out of bed first

but

[wicked mirage]

Kk

Omw

[oak shell]

I am away from Good Screen and so cannot boat today

[topaz jolt]

Gosh, games went away I think. While I tried to get some rest before D&D.

[opal cypress]

I have this game

I just want to get into it

[ivory juniper]

we have games every saturday

[opal cypress]

There's much for me to learn

But id be down to join if that's alright

[ivory juniper]

yeah you'll find alot of people eager to teach

[ivory juniper]

ALSO if you want you could get the Nebulous @

[opal cypress]

Yes please, if there's a channel for that or something

[mint sinew]

#bot-stuff message

[wary flame]

Saturday games are quiet now, good time to be taught the basics

[opal cypress]

Thank you

[oak shell]

I will be late to boat night because my city's public transit infrastructure is a joke

[wary flame]

I just booked a trip between two cities about 50 miles apart that is going to require changing between bus, train, bus and then cab, so I sympathise

why do the maintenance works happen on the one day that I have to get this particular train on

[runic torrent]

Opened the channels <@&942093958551588904>

[oak shell]

OK I am less late than expected

[oak shell]

Looks like no boats today

[wicked mirage]

I had to take a nap and catch up on sleep a bit, sorry guys x.x

[runic torrent]

next boat night at <t:1732996800:F><t:1732996800:R>

[sharp crow]

carrier waiting room

[junior heron]

clearly we should play Deserts of Kharak next boat night to sate the carrier anticipation

[sharp crow]

very wise

[opal cypress]

Are carriers out?

[junior heron]

no

[arctic magnet]

only in Deserts of Kharak

[junior heron]

Deserts of Kharak is the only game with carriers

ever

[arctic magnet]

it's only a carrier if it comes from the Carrier region of the Great Banded Desert, otherwise it's just a sparkling aviation cruiser

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> channels opened!

[ivory juniper]

weehoo :D

[oak shell]

I will be a minute

[oak shell]

Wizard and I are chilling in Bananebulous

@wary flame will you join us for boat night?

[opal cypress]

Hmmmm

Hmmmmmmmm

[oak shell]

We are about to start a game, but after that is done you are welcome

With you, we could do a 3v3

[opal cypress]

I haven't played before

But I would be down to learn

How long does your game go for?

[ivory juniper]

a while between 30mins to an hour rough estimate

[opal cypress]

Let me know when you guys are done, and I can hop in

Or I guess I can hop into the vc

I didn't scroll down far enough

[ivory juniper]

sure hop in now if ya want

[junior heron]

lancer

[wicked mirage]

hardly know 'er

[junior heron]

gg!

[opal cypress]

gg!

[topaz jolt]

Gosh did I miss boat night?

[oak shell]

seems so yes

We just finished up

[rigid bison]

Carriers seem like they’re coming out Soon™️

[dark dawn]

Ahhh, Two Weeks™️

Classic

[runic torrent]

Whoops

<@&942093958551588904> channels open!

[wicked mirage]

Oh snap, yeah I started a new job guys so I won't be able to show up to boat night anymore x.x

Sorry

[topaz jolt]

Oooh.
Congratulations on getting a new job Pyrope! ✨

[olive blade]

yeah grats!

[random grove]

<@&942093958551588904> AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
https://youtu.be/CJJiYTTBj7Y?si=y4Z2XUjhYlSf7yDG

[opal cypress]

that was fast

[ivory juniper]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YIPEE

[random grove]

Plane :D

[tulip vault]

oh release date trailer

I got excited for a second lol

[dark dawn]

Yep, gonna be a long month

[tulip vault]

what on earth is this thing

[random grove]

The wobbler

[wary flame]

THAT'S MY GIRL

[random grove]

Ooh, we didn't know we were getting new missiles and submunitions in the same update

[sharp crow]

that's after my new years holiday argh

okay that makes saturday 4th our last pre-carrier boat night. we should make a thing of it

[wary flame]

hey, I made it into the trailer

[random grove]

Oh so this is the OSP hull we're getting?

[sharp crow]

pretty sure that's the ANS carrier

[random grove]

Nerp

Theirs look like this

[sharp crow]

weird

I thought OSP was just getting different mounts on the container thrower

[tulip vault]

guess it helps make them more specialised towards being the carrier faction

[random grove]

Yeah that's what I thought too
Then I saw "two new hulls" and went looking through the trailer for the one I didn't recognize

[glad aurora]

The ANS Visible Frontier on Salar is me 🙏

[wary flame]

Do Unto Others is my flagship, and that bomb run at the end was one of mine too

[random grove]

Woagh...
Famous..

[random grove]

In that frame of the trailer you can actually see another one in the distance
I'm now lead to believe these are guided bombs of some kind maybe?

[tulip vault]

I imagine those are the glide bombs mentioned yeah

[random grove]

Something like that, can't think of anything else that would look that way

[tulip vault]

I'm glad to hear the testers have been having a good time. I'm honestly way more interested in the balance changes than the fighters lol

not that the strike craft aren't cool, but

[random grove]

Yee

What with all the new missile tech and (I think) reworked PD

It's gonna be a good ol' time

[oak shell]

Killer name for a container liner

[quiet quiver]

Balance: Changed

[tulip vault]

actually, if anybody who actually still plays nebulous would be willing to kick over an actually modern fleet, I'm thinking of playing some games before the update just so I remember how the controls work

[sharp crow]

that's what I'm saying

we should do a big pre-carrier boat night

[wary flame]

I will say the music for the new trailer is probably my favourite in all of Neb's OST

[worthy bane]

Gods now I want to get a better laptop for Christmas

[wicked mirage]

REASONABLE RESPONSE TO CARRIERS INCOMING

[supple sonnet]

I'm going to have so much fun with flak.

[tulip vault]

Wow I didn't realise how good the UI looked now

[wicked mirage]

Yeah it got a huge glow up a few patches ago

[tulip vault]

I think I uninstalled just before the colours got all unfucked up

also having watched a few pubs, most people still don't build good fleets, huh

[tulip vault]

I would've figured a meta would've calcified in the past year, but

[quiet quiver]

It did and then bricks got nerfed and bricks are still good but the nerfs are an excuse to not have to play bricks

[wicked mirage]

Yeah creatures are still very common lol, once the carrier update drops there's going to be creatures everywhere and I'm extremely excited about this lol

[wicked mirage]

Nebulous' meta has struck this golden ratio where things keep rotating in and out of style and different unique builds hit different extremely specific niches lol

And the meta hasn't really solidified as a result, I don't think it ever will tbh

[tulip vault]

mm, well, that's good I guess

I was just hoping to have something rote to jump into before everything got all messed up again, but wcyd lol

and yet still nobody wants to play OSP

maybe I will just wait for the update lol

[wet root]

I'm really glad OSP are getting their own cool thing with carriers

[wet root]

Have we heard anything about these cluster glide bombs and... burst laser shotgun thingies? before? Or are they entirely new?

[glad aurora]

They're new as of this trailer.

[rigid bison]

I wonder if a normal box w clusters will be viable as a replacement for decoy boxes

[quiet quiver]

Also they're tracers for flechette rounds

[wet root]

Ahh that makes much more sense

The lack of fade out like with other weapons' tracers is a bit odd but I think other PD might use the same style?

[mint sinew]

Very reminiscent of the sarissa projectiles

[amber spire]

PLANE BOAT PLANE BOAT PLANE BOAT PLANE BOAT PLANE BOAT PLANE BOAT PLANE BOAT

[low monolith]

it looks like a torpedo or bomb

[rigid bison]

Missile submunition
Yes this means that the latest and “greatest” 99 point s3h will be a cluster munition.
Nebcord will be fucking unusable because of this

[violet root]

You know what would go hard?

Nebulous with Avorion's shipbuilder

[random grove]

We've done some research
it's apparently a glide bomb

[olive blade]

I think this is a great idea

[oak shell]

You say that like it isn't already

[rain mica]

that was more or less the original concept for the game lmao

check devlog 1 or whatever

[tulip vault]

won my first pub game back

totally didn't have someone DC in the deployment screen

[wet root]

+30

[tulip vault]

exactly

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> channels open!

[nocturne geyser]

Modding was a mistake

[quiet quiver]

I hear that Dracula Flow voice pack

[nocturne geyser]

Bathed in 4 reactor flashes

still moving to cap

lmfao

[glad aurora]

THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO YOUR CRIMES AGAINST DRACULA

[tulip vault]

this video is very cool. I am however constantly taken out by the person with the RCAF emblem

it's just so funny to me

[nocturne geyser]

Really should make a quick short video on the container missiles, there's a funny interaction between them and the Sovereign Incident's nuclear warheads

Like size 7 warhead kind of funny

Like size 7 nuclear warhead kind of funny

Like 4 to down a battleship kind of funny

[nocturne geyser]

https://youtu.be/chz-oVEeilQ

Not as short and probably not as funny

[deft current]

Welp I guess I can forget Nebdis for mister @bitter furnace has told me my appeal got rejected

Say is the lancer community here active bc I do low key wanna play Carrier update with Community so

[wet root]

It's been pretty dead of late but I expect lots of people will come back for the carrier update

I know I will be

[deft current]

Yeah but here I mean

Or are these other Neb servers too?

[wet root]

I mean to boat nights here

[deft current]

Aight

[deft current]

Any ways to make this fleet to 3k?

[rigid bison]

many such cases

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> channels open, though I think it's a quiet night o/

[quiet quiver]

Yeah I’m still on the road home from a holiday trip

[sharp crow]

next week is the last pre-carrier boat night

we should make something of it

[wicked mirage]

I would love to if I didn't work on Saturdays D:

[sharp crow]

😔

we can try and figure out a better time if current boat night time isn't it. I'll see about putting up one of those time planners after the weekend

[olive blade]

yeah we can give it a shot, its unlikely any time will work for everyone which is always not ideal

but maybe there is a better one

[glad aurora]

we've lost a lot of boat night people to a combination of "no new neb update :(" and "we're actively testing the new neb update"

post-carriers, boat night's going to be bopping (and we can discuss times for after that then)

[sharp crow]

it would be nice to get one busy pre-carrier night in

get folks (me) used to the controls again

[random grove]

My reason for disappearing was literally crashing servers whenever I joined :(

But
New internet might have fixed that
Now all that's stopping me is that I have no idea what the meta looks like now

[tulip vault]

No pre-carrier boat night for me unfortunately, I will still be in the hinterlands

[oak shell]

Meta is a fake idea, run a fleet you like

[wicked mirage]

Bricks are in vogue right now, Monitors, Ocellos, Axfords, Solomons, anything tanky is pretty good right now. But yeah like Peri said run what you like!

[hidden echo]

I’d love to join back in for boat night one time before my entire fleet becomes carriers

[violet root]

Finally, my Aegis-class PDS boat will be viable

[rigid bison]

I bet that placing one (1) skiff to test the waters at a point will be a good investment for the backpack of my axfords

[deft current]

@bitter furnace hey I have been trying to contact you regarding Nebdis

[olive blade]

having a quick skim over my old fleets

huh you can't get 3pt SAH S2 anymore really

unless you go warhead 2

[mint sinew]

Yeah, S2s got compressed a bit. The bottom end got a bit more expensive but the more expensive options won out

[olive blade]

thats unfortunate

didn't really feel like that the cheap ones were in big use anyway

and like 3pt 3 warhead gale with no backup vs 4pt with backup and 4+ warehead

was a really interesting tradeoff

[wary flame]

gucci S2s see a lot more of a spread these days

CMD/SSJ with weave is really mean for small ship war

[quiet quiver]

And SAH/HoJ didn't go up above 4 pts

[junior heron]

yes yes, keep using HoJ...

[olive blade]

I have always been a bit more of a gale spammer so

I like it when the missiles hit the big ship

[wary flame]

said an hour after new years'

[sharp crow]

I got sick instead so haven't had the energy to do this. sorry gamers

[olive blade]

I guess that means usual time then

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> channels are open o/

for whoever shows up, I hope you guys have fuun

[sharp crow]

I've remembered how all the buttons work, hooray

the thrill of torping someone has come back to me

[tulip vault]

buttons fun 😌

It was quite enjoyable

[wet root]

I had been planning to join but I ended up sleeping for 13 hours straight so I guess I'll be remembering how to press buttons next week

[olive blade]

buttons

[tulip vault]

what better time

[olive blade]

I remembered to change my lead ship when the lead got its engines blasted

[sharp crow]

that's crazy

[olive blade]

I howeever kept trying to use it to move and just running it off the formation

just like old times

[sharp crow]

I could not tell you how to do that

[wet root]

A classic

[olive blade]

and being like why the fuck are my ships back there

[tulip vault]

(it's a button under the formation command)

[oak shell]

Dang, my schedule for the next two months is not condusive to boat night

If anyone is up for Sunday Boats, please @ me

[quiet quiver]

I could do Sunday boats, it seems like a lot of people's schedules have changed

[junior heron]

was gonna mention that
unfortunately my sundays are packed, but if that fits for everyone else maybe I can rearrange

[olive blade]

your sunday is unfortunately my monday

so I am at work until like an hour and a bit past now

[tulip vault]

<@&942093958551588904> https://youtu.be/0Hku7QGPTlo?si=RmFW29Zqo1vBJPeM

devlog

the new OSP hull looks so cool

[quiet quiver]

Oh boy the HMMag got mentioned >.>

[tulip vault]

honestly I've heard worse ideas

what on earth are these new missiles??? man this update is going to change so much

[rigid bison]

S1 BOXES LETS GOOOOO

[tulip vault]

omg this is so cool

oh god rocket containers will be able to aim now

[misty storm]

Wdym s1 boxes?

[tulip vault]

what the hell ||wake passive sensor||

[rigid bison]

containers with s1s inside them

[misty storm]

Lys said she took out the ability to put missiles in containers

[tulip vault]

we're so back

[rigid bison]

||mr president another 100/plasma turret has hit the liner||

[quiet quiver]

Yeah more than one tester has gone "oh, if I can stick my PD in the new mounts, I can cram on more T20s"

[sharp crow]

cool little dive into AI work too

[junior heron]

||two c4 mounts on the moorline...||

[quiet quiver]

Yeah it's so cool what you can do with it

[junior heron]

I'm sure you can do very reasonable things
But also I could put 2 t30s on it

[oak shell]

The stuff about the AI is very cool

[sharp crow]

you could put plasma turrets on there

[rain mica]

you could put C4 pads there

[junior heron]

a preposterous idea

[quiet quiver]

C4 hangar pads there actually a cool and popular idea b/c they can pull from other hangars now

So it's a way to get more fighter launch volume

The carrier in the devlog footage takes two small hangars!

[junior heron]

neat

[azure lake]

I gotta give it to her, this update looks fantastic

It's beautiful

The new AMMs

I know what the second build I'm making is already

[mint sinew]

Depending on the stats with ||100mm flak|| on the cards, that's probably less of a meme than it sounds

[misty storm]

Misc is going to ascend to godhood

[random grove]

oh no they're putting people in Misc's crates now (apparently people call them fighters?)

[rigid bison]

||finally an AA/AM round that isn't from the age of sail. we've gone past wooden ships to...ww2.||

[tulip vault]

...||what about the sarrissa? or the aurora???||

[supple sonnet]

||Is it flakmaxx time?|| :3

[tulip vault]

I am happy to see more timed fuses

bomb shells by beloved 😌

[violet root]

||Is it ever not?||

[rigid bison]

||2 pad, 2 flak-100, t20 heavy occello, doing my best BSG impression|| :3

[supple sonnet]

||Current meta on live to my knowledge is BRRT-maxxing.||

||YOU SEE MY VISION!|| :D

castigation enjoyer ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) ||2 pad, 2 flak-100, t20 heavy occello, doing my best BSG impression|| :3

[misty storm]

||450 ln with 4 cudas to kill light ships or other craft, 2 monitor escorts with t30, scout hangar and 450 spinal, backup tug with ewr/bloodhound||

||am i cooking||

[quiet quiver]

Not bad

You'll probably enjoy the upcoming new Kyanite

[oak shell]

cuda?

[quiet quiver]

Short for Barracuda, the OSP strike fighter

[oak shell]

ah

[misty storm]

Oh yeah, what’s in the reworked kyanite squadron?

I’m assuming all the starters are getting a pass?

[quiet quiver]

Yeah all the starters getting a look at and then a carrier starter for each

New Kyanite is two 450 LNs with hangar backpacks, 4 Cudas per ship, and the good ol' LRT tug

[misty storm]

LRT?

[quiet quiver]

Bloodhound R400 LRT

[misty storm]

Oh, yeah

Tbh I kinda wanted a 450ln battlecarrier as a centerpiece with smaller ships escorting it, but i guess it’s not enough points to really work that way?

Idk

I theorized 2 monitors but those might be too slow

How much are those 450 lns?

[mint sinew]

By her description of the fleet they'll clock in a little over 1300 each to fit the tug

[misty storm]

Alright

I expected more like 1500 but I guess craft are cheaper than I thought

Im curious, are they adding new starters that are pure carrier?

[mint sinew]

You can probably overbuild one and then use proper escorts to fill fleet space, but given an escort carrier can seemingly fit inside 1.5k you'd be hard pressed to justify the expense

[misty storm]

Yeah

has misc seen the devlog

i feel like he will go crazy over the new containers

[mint sinew]

Misc was a tester. Going to say it's a safe bet that he's seen the new containers

[misty storm]

oh, forgot that

[oak shell]

I had a pretty good game

[amber spire]

nice birds

[sharp crow]

I'll miss your little jupiter ship icon

[supple sonnet]

I wonder if Misc is the tester who made Lys rebalance something.

[misty storm]

I bet misc made some terrifying stuff with the submunition containers that could have missiles and it caused Lys to remove that

[wary flame]

I was not in fact a submunition expert, although I helped with some minor refinements of the designs and was one of the first to deploy the torpedo crates

I've mostly been hammering out light strike doctrine and capwar

[tulip vault]

I am interested to see how much you need to change up capwar doctrine

It's been my assumption that lone corvettes/tugs are just going to be small craft food but obv I do not not know

[misty storm]

I see

[misty storm]

I’d assume you actually need to like

Take pd on them

And protect them with sdms maybe

[worthy bane]

Do we have a plan for when the first post-carriers boat night is?

[random grove]

I think we're gonna see 100mm/250mm frigates being used a lot to deal with fighters, RPF rounds go brrr(?)

[supple sonnet]

Saturday 19:00 UTC

AceEmpress (any/all) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Do we have a plan for when the first post-carriers boat night is?

[quiet quiver]

Police frigs def making a comeback

[oak shell]

I wonder if a sprinter would be sufficient for such work - they are faster to respond and head off a strike

[quiet quiver]

Sprinters don't have a lot of gunfire volume compared to a 4-gun frig

[oak shell]

That's fair.

I'm looking forward to Space Power: Fleet Command in the Missile Age

[bitter furnace]

Carrier Age you mean 😉

[wet root]

Assuming Sarissas are effective against strikecraft, it's the return of the sandbox

[random grove]

Are sarissas high damage though?
They'll be accurate, sure
But we don't remember them being too great at taking out high health targets

[glad aurora]

they're high damage enough

the trick is getting them to hit evasive targets, but the sheer number of sarissas in the sandbox helps with that

[wet root]

Yes, they're significantly higher damage than other PD except sustained 20mm

75x3

(In terms of burst, they've got a hefty reload)

Actually better sustained fire than I'd remembered as well

[sharp crow]

last saturday I was told the sarissas got an accuracy nerf at some point and I did see them miss a bunch of incoming hybrids

[low pier]

My question is what is the armour on craft like
If it’s thick enough then it’ll be like containers and be immune

[wet root]

I don't recall an accuracy nerf, but I could have missed it

[sharp crow]

so I'm sure the spaceplanes can do some dodging

[wet root]

Sarissas also love to miss at range if you don't have any radar buffs, since their FCR is pretty bad

And yeah the weave will always dodge sandshot

[glad aurora]

craft armor is not thick enough to be immune

not sure if I'm allowed to share exactly what it is yet, but they're certainly not container-tough (and, in testing, sarissas have actually been pretty effective against containers)

[junior heron]

this might be asking too much, but does the submunition warhead mean the end of dedicated rocket/mine boxes

[wet root]

Doesn't sandshot break all the armor thresholds on missiles, including boxes, anyway?

[wet root]

I'm guessing so, since we saw rocket and mine loadouts in the devlog IIRC

[glad aurora]

yes

(this is a good thing)

[quiet quiver]

Yeah they're customizable now, and some configs are stronger than the old ones and some are weaker

[dark dawn]

Honestly, now that I've thought about it
I'm most excited for the OSP superwake seeker since, if combined properly with the container buffs, we might see a move away from the capital meta we have now on the ANS side

[wet root]

While I probably won't use it that much, I'm so happy that we're getting Wake Pinards

The absence of passive wake sensors has always made me sad

[tulip vault]

I’m horrified by the wake pinard

Just a truly monstrous concept that I cannot wait to use

[quiet quiver]

It's pretty cool

[oak shell]

Do both ANS and OSP get it?

[quiet quiver]

Nope, AN Skiffs have a ELINT module instead

All skiff mission module options:
AN: 35mm Top Turret, Elint Sensor, Sprinter Masquerade
OPS: 35mm Top Turret, Wake Sensor, Shuttle Masquerade, Advanced Radar

[junior heron]

if you're opening up more about carrier testing, I've been wanting to ask: what's the funniest bug you've encountered or heard about?

[quiet quiver]

Unfortunately only got cleared to talk about stuff that made the final cut or was mentioned in a devlog

[junior heron]

darn

[tulip vault]

Oh god it’s on the skiffs

Even more horrible I thought you’d need a real ship

[mint sinew]

Arguably you need an even more real ship then, to launch to skiff

[rigid bison]

OSP is also seemingly good at half carrier fleets due to having a dedicated pocket carrier

Nerd boxes are out, the new OSP intel meta is probably a pocket carrier full of winard and radar skiffs, with EO pod scouts to have some slight air cover

[misty storm]

yeah

Journeyman + half a cap fleet might be nice

[azure lake]

I wonder how good sarrisas are against fighters

What if I make a Vaux with 5 sarrisas and some S2s 🤔

[glad aurora]

please don't

[olive blade]

I expect to see many pd ship creatures early

[wet root]

Putting a Sarissa on the nose of my DDs to make a statement

[olive blade]

and honestly

a vaux has 250rpf

thats surely fairly decent

[glad aurora]

it is

[noble zodiac]

hey @wicked mirage i think you have a build export opportunity (/lighthearted)

[wicked mirage]

This is an incredible idea, take a look at this fleet!

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Summer (GunCH+ECLv3)' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

  Summer Rose : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
Rosary Angel  : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [PD EWar]

[wicked mirage]

It doesn't have S2's, but mass amounts of sand and RPF can take care of many small threats xD

Such as those shapes like planes...

[sharp crow]

this vauxhall is owned by the local power company

[quiet quiver]

Congrats on picking the nose option least able to shoot forwards

[azure lake]

Oh, oh my, it's beautiful

I love it

It's just a pocket no fly zone

I must resist the urge to imidietly make a rail BB once the update is out

[supple sonnet]

I wonder if, in fact, flakmax works with the new update.

[wicked mirage]

The real trick with it is that Rosary Angel offers way more than just PD, it has a complete EWAR suite with jamming, counter jamming illuminators, and a discoball to ward off CMD missiles. It even has a 4 TC spyglass to get shootable tracks out to 11.5km.

[wicked mirage]

She takes 15,000kW to run xD

[azure lake]

NGL I'm not fit for ewar, I always forget to use it lol

I am a simple man of maximum gun

[noble zodiac]

[supple sonnet]

..Wait. Do OSP Liners have C2s laying around?

[mint sinew]

Not spare ones once I've finished filling them with T20s

But yes, they are also picking up some C1s in the carriers update

[supple sonnet]

I just want to spam 40mm and 100mm.

Like, full on flak battery on a liner.

[mint sinew]

Already possible now and will pick up 4 extra bastions, good luck with the fireworks

[supple sonnet]

Yes but in live it's bad because it's all either hybrids or torps really.

[mint sinew]

True, and 100mm flak may make a difference too

[azure lake]

Damn how many C2s and C1s will they have now

[quiet quiver]

7 C2 (like before), 4 C1

[azure lake]

Dayum

That's impressive

[supple sonnet]

Sorry, 7 twin 100mm guns?

Wait no the C2 version is a single. Eh, that's still 7 100mm guns.

[azure lake]

Yeah it's a pretty nice secondary battery

I wonder how many can get on target

[quiet quiver]

I think 4-6 depending on hull layout and if you’re broadsiding or obelisking, but you can check that right now if you wanted

[tulip vault]

When the update drops I think I’m going to have to try and retool my container monitors with submunition containers

Will they be bad? Most likely. Will I do it anyways? Most certainly

[azure lake]

(I've not reinstalled neb yet on my new rig)

[quiet quiver]

That’s fair

[wet root]

I could put it on the rearmost mount on an Ocello instead

[tulip vault]

oh huh apparently missile cam is gone in multiplayer with the coming update

at long last

[wet root]

Tragic but also probably good

Presumably now we have fighter cam

[quiet quiver]

Ye, fighter cam is roughly 3 km plus or minus a few hundred meters

(Except Skiff which is 2 km)

[wet root]

What was missile cam range? I forgor

[quiet quiver]

No clue

It's very hard to measure because of how vis range works

[wet root]

Yeah, I hope they change that at some point

It's kind of an apm tax

[misty storm]

CARRIERS IS LIVE <@&942093958551588904>

[chilly yoke]

OH SHIT

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-silly-cat-cat-locked-in-lock-tf-in-gif-12487162223602060140

[wary flame]

the last ride of the carrier testers

[sharp crow]

so much caltrop lore in the descriptions of the new stuff

[tulip vault]

does anyone happen to know what the new throttle setting does?

[wary flame]

limits your ship movement to the velocities at which you can launch aircraft

[tulip vault]

oh neat

[wary flame]

for shuffling your carrier around while doing deck ops, or slowing your BB down for the backpack to launch

[sharp crow]

hmm, the gun mounts on the levy are such that you can get all four of your mk62s on target but only if you bow tank perfectly

truly a ship with a high skill floor

I can already tell I'm going to need to crib craft design from other people

[tulip vault]

i am very glad there is a tutorial

[wary flame]

I'm watching a pub right now but I will be around to supply technology momentarily

[tulip vault]

omg the landing gear actually deploy? that's excellent lol

[sharp crow]

I think my first ANS fleet is just going to be a retooled axford + flak frigates again

[opal cypress]

Now that carriers are out, I might actually dig into this game

[random grove]

Blop

[supple sonnet]

Wait. Does this mean it's time to introduce the world to BSG Mode?

[oak shell]

Yes

[sharp crow]

lol the carrier tutorial lets you cluster bomb some stationary lineships and my bombers managed to miss fully half of their cluster bombs anyway

[hidden dove]

Anyone care to hop into a VC and talk Bouncy Operated Aquatic Transports?

[oak shell]

I can in a bit

[sharp crow]

I'll be officially off the clock in 30 mins

[tulip vault]

big fan of how weird the new OSP starters are

[wary flame]

standard issue S2 anti-craft missiles

[lime jungle]

SGM-200 Vren's Breadstick 2.0 is a size 2 missile that costs 5 points.

[lime jungle]

SDM-220 Naginata M7R-X is a size 2 missile that costs 5 points.

[wary flame]

the Breadstick is a device for one-shotting bombers (and occasionally fighters) but has a fairly short range

the Naginata is the meta SDM, effective at most ranges against most things but they take two shots for bombers

both can swap the act seeker for a CMD seeker if being fired off a gucci radar like a parallax

[tulip vault]

is it just a normal radar seeker?

[wary flame]

CMD lunges are popular on fighters but they feel like slapping your opponent around the head with a roll of burning banknotes so I don't use 'em

personal taste

[wary flame]

last I checked, yeah

[tulip vault]

is there any disadvantage to using wake-thermal when you have the opportunity?

[wary flame]

money

[hidden dove]

is there tech for what to slap into your craft to damage enemy capitals?

[tulip vault]

that's only on the validator though right?

[wary flame]

R3s are consistent but you need big wings, like 6-8 sturgeons if they have a decent defender count

can't be softkilled though

everyone else is on the torp train

apart from me

I use the Green Storm, which is strictly experimental OSP technology

[tulip vault]

oh?

[lime jungle]

SGM-100 Guylet is a size 1 missile that costs 2 points.

[bitter furnace]

Hullo

Just snooping in

[azure lake]

Oh, the turreted missiles aren't on the alliance

I'm sad

Forever cold launch for me

The new missiles look awesome tho

[wicked mirage]

TF Redwood looks nice, Skiff is cute ^^

[bitter furnace]

Sorry about the loss of the chaffbox, I thought the ADs would be more important to keep

[glad aurora]

I am also playing only normal fleets this patch

[azure lake]

Beautiful

[azure lake]

I approve of this

[wicked mirage]

That's fine! Thanks for making it into something beautiful, I do like it. I just woke up so my voice was cratchy lol

[supple sonnet]

Well I found an annoying little but: 100 Flak doesn't count as PD. :V

[wet root]

• NEW: Hull structure will no longer receive any damage if the damage is less than 20 points.
  I assume this is specifically so strafing runs don't structure ships?

[wary flame]

yes

there was a brief issue with shuttles exploding under a light dusting of 35mm

[wet root]

Makes sense

Any notable thresholds the Vaux armor nerf hits?

[wary flame]

mostly they're just somewhat easier to kill with everything

which is good because they're incredibly resistant to craft with all that RPF

[wet root]

• FIX: Fixed Ocello mount 1 not being able to fire at targets directly ahead.
  I can finally use lock heading to target on Ocellos 🎉

• NEW: Added random 50m deviation to initial position "guided" missiles without seekers are fired at when fired from craft.
  Patch notes that tell a story

[azure lake]

Lmao

[glad aurora]

ANS ROCKETS were a fun time

[oak shell]

@glad aurora good shooting with those hybrids

[quiet quiver]

The funny part is that the testers all collectively agreed not to use them for over a month before it was patched out

[sharp crow]

thanks for streaming pyrope

I gotta start planes testing for ANS

click new fleet and get a solid name right off the bat

[tulip vault]

[sharp crow]

@wary flame what do you recommend in terms of flight support compartments/modules on the average carrier?

[wary flame]

there isn't really an "average" but for anything below moorline weight 2x DGL/2x FTDS will be more than enough

ANS craft don't carry that much weaponry and the Levy has an arming time buff so they're snappy and responsive

Cudas take ages to haul their overloaded behinds into the air but are monsters when they get there

[sharp crow]

makes sense

I noticed ammo elevators also give an arming speed buff, pretty cute

[wary flame]

yeah, backpack buff module

the Strikedown Station is for expensive Levies and Journeymen, the Moorline doesn't really need it

although Moorline wants to go up to something like 3/3 on the regular buff modules

[sharp crow]

do you ever take repair stations or do you just expect your craft to die

[random grove]

I feel it's probably a "take it if you can afford it" thing

[wary flame]

carriers have one integrated repair station

which is usually enough to keep your craft topped up

[sharp crow]

I mean they're 15 points, you're not breaking the bank taking them

[wary flame]

a single repair station compartment is good for liners with large backpacks

[sharp crow]

makes sense

I think I'm going to try and practice with a levy first

[wary flame]

1600pt Levy + beam DD + cheap guncorvs for capping is good civilisation

[glad aurora]

You can even go down to 1400pt Levy

[sharp crow]

I have no idea what the difference between a 1.4K and a 1.6K levy is

just bomber ordnance or something?

[wary flame]

1400 is running pure S2 strike tantos with some tech that I came up with, so don't worry about that

take like 10 bombers with torps, launch them in pairs, hunt small stuff

then ASFs for the rest

[sharp crow]

that was roughly my plan

[wary flame]

the S3 bay on the Claymore can also fit the S2 bombs, so might as well bring a dozen of those in case the bombers come home and want reloads

[runic torrent]

next boat night with CARRIERS on <t:1736625600:F> <t:1736625600:R>!

[sharp crow]

alright I have no idea how you're getting a levy at 1.4K

are you just not bringing bombers and skiffs at all? only fighters?

I'm taking the TF Maple levy as a base and even stripping it down quite a bit it's sitting at 1.8K

[glad aurora]

no bombers, s2+spoiler S1 strike Tantos only, then 4 sundials

2-4 sundials, really

[sharp crow]

yeah okay that makes sense

bombers and their torpedoes are rather pricy I suppose

if you don't mind, could you show an example of your S2 strike tanto?

[lime jungle]

SGM-108 Smoke Ring is a size 1 missile that costs 1 points.

[lime jungle]

SGM-200 Smoking Vape Canister is a size 2 missile that costs 7 points.

[wary flame]

take one of each of these + fuel tanks + 20mm gun, fly at small stuff and blow it up

just make sure to give the fire order from a decent distance away, 3-4km, and the S1s will fire first and soak a couple of AMMs

[tulip vault]

god's strongest skiff

[sharp crow]

thanks misc

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Consequences of Your Crimes Against Dracula' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

         Givenchy Gloves : 'Levy' class Escort Carrier []
 Registered God Particle : 'Raines' class Frigate [Gun]
High Functioning Shooter : 'Raines' class Frigate [Gun]
      Hickory Smoked Opp : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [EWar PD]
               Opp Gumbo : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [EWar PD]
      9mm Built In A Day : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 5 different missile types:
```yaml
 SGM-101 Hobgoblin : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-108 Offhand-VL : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - NONE [1pts]
   SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
    SGM-17 Sparrow : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
 SGM-200 Rapier-VL : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]

[sharp crow]

thanks!

[glad aurora]

this is a weird capfleet, let me see if I have a more normal one

[sharp crow]

don't worry about it, I'm really only looking at the carrier as an example/inspiration

[glad aurora]

ah, fair

[sharp crow]

damn you really stripped this thing down

[glad aurora]

I advise actually putting a small DC locker and a reactor (or just a FM500 for 5pts more than the FM200) on it

otherwise, my personal belief is "if you get detected by literally anything that has weapons in a carrier, you're dead"

"you are exceptionally squishy and every one of your modules is critical to functioning"

[sharp crow]

after seeing pom's landing strikecraft getting camped by I think a gun shuttle in the vs AI game, I think I may extravagantly put a mk62 on the nose to shoot back

[quiet quiver]

Or at least a Mk61

[wary flame]

belly mk61 solves many problems

[sharp crow]

does sticking a prowler on your levy do anything at all in terms of detectability?

by default you have a radar sig bigger than an axford so my first thought is no

but maybe there's been different experiences out there already

[glad aurora]

not really, no, yeah

[wary flame]

yeah, Levies are a bit big

[worthy bane]

do sarissas work vs craft? just checking bc their ap is 0.275cm and at least all alliance craft have a skin thickness of 0.3cm, if I'm reading these stats right?

[wary flame]

whiplash can be handy for repositioning if you have 10pts spare, but most Levies are stock drive

[wary flame]

2+ hits to kill on all craft but the Pike last I checked, but they really dish the fire out and bombers really struggle to dodge at sub-5km

scattering a few sarissas around the map isn't going to sweep the skies on its own, but it will definitely make the enemy carriers' life a lot more annoying

especially if they're bomber-dependent for their strikes, because Sturgeons have very wide hitboxes and don't juke very aggressively

if one torp-laden sturgeon dies to your sarissa it's made cost

[sharp crow]

did a vs AI game and man, air superiority as ANS via tantos is a pipe dream

barracudas are nuts

[wary flame]

ANS generally wants to stack the deck

staple SDM packs to your scout frigates and engage in their envelopes, take lunges to score a few free kills on the merge, mix 20mm and coilgun in your fighter squad so the cheaper planes cover for the blue death

but yes, trying to out-furball Moorlines is a losing game most of the time

[sharp crow]

yeah I was trying the mixed fighter loadout but still got overwhelmed by the cuda blob the AI had out

[wary flame]

yeah, cudas are very good and you generally need to come up with some way to apply money directly to the problem

lunges or typhoons

[glad aurora]

to be clear, if you don't break armor with PDTs (or AMMs), that just means you deal half damage

[sharp crow]

makes sense. I imagine attrition will go better when playing with fellow gamers that do bring SDMs on the scouts, rather than me piling a couple starter fleets into a game to play carrier

[wary flame]

also people tend to run tantos in wings of 4 because that leaves their big pads free for bombers, which often means the Moorline rocks up with 8 fighters and eats you

6 Tantos with one Lunge and one regular S1 ACM each will do a lot better, ideally that's at least even by the time the cheaper weapons come into play

[glad aurora]

given it takes two deck cycles for the single Levy to get a relevant number of bombers out, you can do two deck cycles of Tantos and match the Moorline 8v12, which you will win if you invest in standoff missiles

[sharp crow]

makes sense

[glad aurora]

(probably)

[sharp crow]

my bomber wings were doing quite well vs the AI at least

[wary flame]

a single Levy trying to fight a Moorline is going to have to blow more money on dedicated A2A than its opponent because the Moorline is very much in a heavier weight class

[sharp crow]

oh I had a question, when mixing gun and coil tantos, do you put them in the same squadron? or do you give them seperate squadrons?

[wary flame]

same squadron, so they engage at the same time

launching separately and merging can be a little irritating but it works

[sharp crow]

alright good, that's what I was doing but wasn't sure if it was correct

[wary flame]

2 coil/4 20mm with one lunge each is my go-to expensive setup

I generally either take that or go for some dirt-cheap Levy that just drops S2 strikes on light stuff, flies Sundials, pokes at skiffs and runs away when challenged

and I'm not a huge lunge enjoyer so I admit it's usually the latter

[glad aurora]

my serious™️ Levies are... actually, wait, I can just drop my starter fleet proposal

[wary flame]

the Rat Mode light carrier is very viable on both factions

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'TF Camphor' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

  Atelier : 'Levy' class Escort Carrier [PD Gun]
 Skylight : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD Sensor EWar]
Fieldwork : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 6 different missile types:
```yaml
    SDM-111 Ranseur : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [9pts]
    SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
     SGM-17 Sparrow : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
SGM-230 Misericorde : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [11pts]
SGT-3 Javelin-VL(A) : DIRECT - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [16pts]
SGT-3 Javelin-VL(J) : DIRECT - CMD/HOJ(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [15pts]

[glad aurora]

description+loadouts will tell you everything you need to know

misericordes are very functional but expensive strike missiles, if you swap them for the S2+S1 light strike loadouts Misc and I were talking earlier, it'll be both better and cheaper

[wary flame]

the S1 assist tech is one of those things that I wish wasn't quite so arcane because it is very easy to use, just difficult to explain

which makes it hard to supply newbies with without doing the worst thing possible as a vet - handing people netdecks they don't actually understand

it's a good tech though

[sharp crow]

is it that arcane? is it more complicated than "if you do a strike from good distance you will fire both S1s and S2s, the S1s go first and eat AMMs"

[glad aurora]

well, the S1s involve a bit of tuning to get them to work right in concert with the S2s, but otherwise no

my Rapier and Offhand pairs are significantly faster than Misc's pairs, for example, but less maneuverable

[sharp crow]

right, it's a missile design difficulty issue rather than explaining the thing itself

[wary flame]

the length of time it took me to explain this to some people suggests otherwise, but yeah, it's pretty straightforward

[misty storm]

Wait, 50 mm gun?

[wary flame]

I do need to slightly tweak the tuning on mine because the swap from "planes slow down to normal speed when they enter combat" to "planes lock to hardburn when they enter combat" has shifted the timing a bit

[sharp crow]

I mean I'm terrible at missile design so I certainly couldn't replicate that part without a lot of handholding, but the idea itself seems simple

[wary flame]

old name for the 35mm, it got rechambered becuase people confused it with the flak

[misty storm]

Oh

[wary flame]

the tuning thing that is slightly annoying is that if you do it wrong they fire the missiles the wrong way around and it doesn't work

and I still haven't figured out what exactly decides which way around they shoot

it's consistent for each config but when tuning you just need to pray to Monarch, the missile god

[sharp crow]

I will simply only ever use other people's templates.

[quiet quiver]

You would probably have to do double prowler and a micro for power. That plus radarless might hide you from OSP radars

[tulip vault]

does anyone have any insight in to how pre-flight time is calculated

[glad aurora]

it's based off of the Work necessary to load everything onto the craft

then you apply your pre-flight multiplier (e.g., preflight going 200% faster halves the time)

the more pylons you fill, the longer it takes to arm

missiles take longest to arm, gun ammo very little time, fuel basically no time at all

that said, even though S3s take longer to arm individually than S2s, a full load of 4 S2s on a Claymore will take longer to arm than 2 S3s

[tulip vault]

for OSP craft, do things like gunpods stick around between landings?

because it takes forever to load the gunpods onto the craft but if you don't repeat it each time they land...

but then again a ton of components seem to say they take 0 work

[glad aurora]

nope, postflight removes all components and returns them to the magazine before reloading

[tulip vault]

but yeah most components claim to take 0 work near as I can tell

[wary flame]

base work for components is equal to their magazine storage volume

some take extra on top of that

[tulip vault]

that is good to know, but unfortunately does not tell me how much work fuel tanks take 😔

or is component mass what you mean

[wary flame]

nah, that's how much weight they take up on the craft frame

but I generally don't look at the work numbers

[glad aurora]

fuel tanks are, at the moment, just mandatory on everything that can carry them

[wary flame]

just make your loadout and then check how long it takes to arm by going to the stats panel in the top right

it'll factor in your ship buff modules and everything

[sharp crow]

going to request a module that's just berthing for formula 1 pit crews to instantly swap pods out

[night fable]

The Carriers Update for NEBULOUS: Fleet Command is out, and that means Friday Night Fleet Command is back, baby! I'm streaming multiplayer games with viewers on my Twitch channel below!
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[tulip vault]

I think the answer to every carrier question I have is just "get reps in"

becaus yknow, most the mechanics make sense to me

I just haven't the faintest how things actually shake out in play

[wary flame]

basic doctrine of "launch scouts, put them around the edge of the map, guard order bombers with fighters, fly out and blow stuff up" works to start with

[tulip vault]

yeah

i'll admit i'm not as interested in the dedicated carrier gameplay, I just don't know how much void superiority stuff I need to make sure my fleets don't explode, and also how to do caps now

[wary flame]

set PD to yes, load up the SDM or breadstick backpacks

recruit Friend Ocello

[glad aurora]

set breadsticks to yes, change enemy light strike to no

[oak shell]

breadstick?

[olive blade]

I want to blow up sollies

[glad aurora]

the testers bashed our heads into the capwar for over a month of a relatively similar meta and didn't solve it, it's a very exciting time for capwar innovations

[olive blade]

gimmie the hookup misc

[tulip vault]

actually, yeah, how do auroras fare against strikecraft?

[wary flame]

breadstick

kills bombers

[glad aurora]

Breakspears are anti-craft SDMs designed to be launched from ships
Sunrays are anti-skiff S2H specifically tuned to seek out and one-shot them at long range
Misc has already linked the Breadstick, but here's my version anyway

[lime jungle]

SDM-210 Breakspear is a size 2 missile that costs 7 points.

[lime jungle]

SGM-H-2 Sunray is a size 2 missile that costs 12 points.

[lime jungle]

SGM-2 Fish Poking Stick is a size 2 missile that costs 7 points.

[wary flame]

do you want the conventional bomber strats that work fine, or the mildly insane experimental technology?

[past light]

Does anyone do a hanger backpack on Ocellos, or is that unnecessary on OSP?

[olive blade]

both? I guess whatever actually works

[glad aurora]

ocellos cannot backpack hangars, they do not have C4 backpacks

you have to give up a gun for it, and that's a huge no-no

[past light]

Yeah, figured

[glad aurora]

as for bomber doctrine, hold on, I'll copy-paste my how 2 design moorline

[bitter furnace]

there are three sources of work for each loadout option:

• the sum of the storage volume for all contained munitions
• the amount of contained fuel divided by 20
• the amount of listed Swap Work
  all that is multiplied by the craft frame's bonuses for specific types of things, for example Claymores and Bombers have a multiplier for S2s

[wary flame]

you probably can't just fly up and kill a solomon that's properly defended, but a focused strike from a 3k carrier will absolutely butcher anything that's just wandering around without serious cover

(pd escorts, craft, big missile backpack)

a lot of carrier gameplay is fighting the scoutwar while waiting for something to overextend

[glad aurora]

How To Make Moorline, by Ash

- 3 DGLs, 3 FDTS
- 24 sturgeons
- multiply that number by 3; bring that many R3s
- bring KBU-22s equal to or half of your number of R3s
- 5 AdvR skiffs with 35mm nose gun; 5000 rounds of flechette
- fill all remaining spaces with barracudas
- take that number of barracudas and multiply by 500: multiply by 1.5-2.5, then bring that much flechette
- multiply your number of barracudas by 6 and bring that many R1s
- multiply your number of barracudas by 4 and bring that many ACT S1 ACMs
- bring KBU-15s equal to your number of barracudas
- bring 250 100mm AP and 250 100mm HE
- that's it, your job's done

loadouts:
STURGEON
- 2x R-3, 1-2x KBU-22
- 100mm AP Gunpod
- 100mm HE Gunpod

BARRACUDA - 20mm nose
- fuel, jam pods, 35mm flechette gunpods, two S1 ACT ACMs
- fuel, jam pods, R1 rocket pods, one S1 ACT ACM, one KBU-15

HOW TO KILL SHIPS

- fly up to 2km of them manually
- right-click target
- profit

then you can get more complicated and weird, but they can't softkill these, your ASF is dirt cheap, and you don't have to tune any missiles for it

[olive blade]

yeah I guess one thats overextended but still fundementally intact and ideally piloted by a good player that is just greedy

[tulip vault]

i'm assuming there's also a base? because jamming pods have none of those but ofc still take time

[glad aurora]

(side note from the depths of tester experience™️ : this barracuda ASF loadout is called The Guy, then a Tanto got invented called The Anti-Guy, then people made barracudas that can beat The Anti-Guy that are The Guy Reloaded or The Bleak Guy or The Guy Ascended depending on who you ask)

[olive blade]

okay this is a good starting point, cheers

[glad aurora]

if you have points left over, bring some nice corkscrew SGT-3s with 3-3.2g of maneuver, high warheads, and something like ACT/[THERM] guidance

[wary flame]

I have not yet encountered The Anti-Guy

I was busy designing AAMMMs and AAAMMMMs

[olive blade]

I guess I'm aware you have to like

get the bbb

but the trick is actually making it die when you do

[glad aurora]

yeah, that's what the KBU-22s are for

[sharp crow]

surely you just call them the gal

[olive blade]

I have had enough bbs survive torp strikes at 2km from balled monitors and whatever

[glad aurora]

KBU-22s have huge ray damage to break DT, so you volley 16 R3s into the BB from 8 sturgeons, then follow up with 8-16 KBU-22s to grey out/perma-destroy the components the R3s redded

Makes BBs have a very bad day

[wary flame]

one of the best moments of early testing for me was sneaking four torp sturgeons behind a BB and going for the full Darth Vader I HAVE YOU NOW and absolutely ruining the thing to swing the game

[wicked mirage]

Breadstick?

[glad aurora]

@wicked mirage

[wary flame]

breadstick (breadstick)

[wicked mirage]

Oh god the Italians are making missiles again

[wary flame]

this one's Canadian, I think

works great

[glad aurora]

it is a canadian breadstick, olive garden-style

[wary flame]

infuriating to fly bombers against but fighters can shoot them down very well

[wicked mirage]

I associate Breadsticks with Olive Garden

[glad aurora]

everyone does

incredibly effective marketing, really

[wary flame]

I associate breadsticks with my lunch

we don't have Olive Garden here

[olive blade]

yeah don't have it here, no association

[glad aurora]

to be clear, this is also mandatory on either side, if you're flying craft into a competent and prepared enemy team they will have to be escorted and you will have to watch them like a hawk so you can order your fighters to shoot the missiles down when they launch

fighters will shoot down missiles aimed at them, but not yet at bombers they're Guarding

you have to do that manually

[sharp crow]

that's annoying

[wary flame]

once you give the first fire order they'll go to Missile Kill Mode and just mow down everything they see, at least

but yeah, I think everyone considers that slightly unnecessary micro

[glad aurora]

it's an unfortunate artifact of how Guard orders work behind the scenes that will almost 100% be addressed in upcoming minor updates

especially since it's quite important for AI carrier use

[olive blade]

how do I give a sturgeon a pod

the pods tab seems empty on the loadout screen

oh wait I see you put the guns in by selecting the ammo

[olive blade]

don't the gunpods take the R3 slots? am I missing something?

[glad aurora]

They're different loadouts

[olive blade]

oh right

I see

[glad aurora]

100mm HE for light targets like Raines and Sprinters, 100mm AP for Vauxhalls, then R3s and torps for bigger things

if you're using gunpods, make sure to tick subsystem targeting in the craft options menu over to things like ENGINE or DEFWEP, allowing your craft crews to aim better and drill through armor to target specific components

[quiet quiver]

Is this guide roughly just Amethyst in How To form?

[glad aurora]

yeah, Amethyst is The Moorline

[runic torrent]

https://youtu.be/kR-yWVsrk38

[tulip vault]

I guess I’m unsurprised that an update playtested this heavily has a ton of viable options, but it’s still a little surprising to me that the 100mm gunpods are usable

Does not feel like the kind of thing that would end up working

[glad aurora]

they're very good, in fact

remember sprinter bombers? they hate this 1 easy trick, now

[quiet quiver]

Okay compared it to yours, Amethyst has skiffs and a few real torpedoes and a few more fighter loadouts, but no bomber bombs

[quiet quiver]

40 shots at 60 RPM, it's comparable to a buffed T30 and if you have a wing of four... yeah

[glad aurora]

bomber bombs on OSP are definitely essential (in my eyes), and the biggest draw of the sturgeon over the claymore (aside from gunpods and raw flexibility) - you bring DT break follow-up alongside your primary strike on the same craft, as opposed to other methods of Layered Bombing like 1 Torp 1 CBU loadouts on Claymores in otherwise 2 Torp formations

[tulip vault]

My guess was that it would’ve been the best in testing, then nerfed into the ground and not really looked at again

Very happy to know it’s not the case though

[quiet quiver]

They used to be better

They had 0 extra work time so instead of taking a minute of pre-flight they prepped in like 20 seconds

[tulip vault]

Well that’s terrifying

[quiet quiver]

And also with Journeyman having 3 large pads (now 2 large 2 small) multiple Journeymen could really push out bombers

[glad aurora]

this culminated in the 6 journeymen fleet that had about 60 gunpod sturgeons total

[quiet quiver]

IIRC it was 5 Journeymen with 12 each

It was a lot

[tulip vault]

That sounds normal and balanced

[rigid bison]

the 2025 "all carriers or capitals" incident

god I love how great OSP is at planes btw, its just like the OSP into beams experience

[wary flame]

the new AI is competent but not that competent

I'm seeing a lot of pub fleets, ANS in particular, just not defending themselves in any way against craft

very little PD, very little softkill, no specialist weapons

the craft deployments are equally random and enthusiastic, as you'd expect at this point, but when someone does fly a boatload of torpedoes to a target and click the kill button it just wrecks things

need to have a fleetbuilding session and go "everyone who isn't a carrier, put on your own ACM backpack before helping others, everyone who is a carrier, here's how air superiority works"

[mint sinew]

It would be a great tutorial

[wary flame]

I suspect people will rapidly develop the kind of air cover tactics that I'm more used to, it's not too difficult

[mint sinew]

My first few engagements have been very coloured by "LN with T20s is a giant no fly zone" making craft not feel threatening until a bomber pops out in torp range

[noble zodiac]

what… is The Guy Reloaded?

like ik of the guy and of macross/the anti-guy but

[wary flame]

first people need to either be given or design decent air superiority fighters, because right now it's just random assortments of stuff running into each other and that hands victory to whichever carrier player masses the most 20mm planes in a giant ball regardless of what they're armed with otherwise

good ASFs will cut through those no trouble, but people don't have those yet

also first rule of carrier - always be launching

[mint sinew]

for now I've just ripped the barracuda layout off the back of kyanite for my LN escorts, is there a better ASF loadout in your arsenal Misc?

[wary flame]

lots of carriers, Levies in particular, seem to be waiting to launch until they see a problem

much better to have planes and no targets than targets and no planes, so make sure the carrier is always deploying stuff

queue the whole combat load up at minute 1 if you have to

[glad aurora]

The Guy Reloaded is The Guy, but it swaps the two standard ACT S1 ACMs for a CMD Lunge for standoff picks and then an ARAD warheadless/low-warhead (actually bringing a warhead costs more) missile specifically designed to force defensive and make jampod Tantos chase their own tails in disarray

[noble zodiac]

aha

that tracks

[glad aurora]

you can't beat it with the anti-guy because you lose half of the tantos in standoff and then get flashbanged on the approach so you get torn apart by flechette

[wary flame]

note that this is very much not a straight upgrade on The Guy because it replaces one of the missiles with a solid gold ingot

[glad aurora]

yeah, it's a targeted tech

[noble zodiac]

ive always considered the act S1s a wildcard pick for personal flavor so that actually tracks

shrimply put a warhead on the arad s1

altho ig if they turn defensive

well no

[glad aurora]

you could, but to make the warhead big enough to do anything makes the missile worse at its intended job (going around in circles and re-acquiring on nose radars and jam pods to continually force evasion)

[noble zodiac]

if its arad

itll turn them defensive no matter what

[wary flame]

that one is paying extra for rockets, the standard issue approach for ASFs is two Act S1s, jampods, 35mm flechette gunpods, fuel tanks and nose 20mm because it's free

[noble zodiac]

and that’s valuable

[wary flame]

that's called The Guy

[glad aurora]

the arad missile is not supposed to hit anything, it's supposed to just be a very loud and annoying I AM GOING TO IMPACT YOU sign

[wary flame]

basically all other ASF builds that testers argue about are variations on or replies to The Guy

[noble zodiac]

yeah ik

ive also had the thought

[glad aurora]

yeah, absolutely, you were there for this stuff, I'm talking out loud since we're in non-tester chat now

[noble zodiac]

oh fair

[wary flame]

what's the Anti-Guy these days anyway

[noble zodiac]

for everyone else yeah

[rigid bison]

fought in that meta

[wary flame]

I always just threw lunges at them until I got bored of the price tag

[noble zodiac]

i think its the S1 spam creature?

[glad aurora]

s1 bay tanto, mixed wings of coil and 20mm, jam pods, hoj+act s1 spam

[rigid bison]

anyone wanna hop in VC and possibly play a pub?

[wary flame]

oh yeah that thing

yeah that'd do it

I think of lunges like the gold ammo in World of Tanks

[glad aurora]

you can get a lot of mileage out of the regular ASF I run, which are not the anti-guy or anything else but are just very conventional mixed wing "I have one lunge on the outboard pylon" stuff

[wary flame]

press button to buy your way out of a fight, or nearly so

[glad aurora]

A two way data-link and an active radar target seeker ensures that Meteor reaches its target, even at very long ranges. A jamming resistant proximity fuze and a lethal high explosive blast-fragmentation warhead combine to give the missile its high kill probability.

Production history Manufacturer MBDA Unit cost €2,000,000 (2019)

the lunge is just the most accurate representation of the average standoff missile IRL

[olive blade]

I'll be free in 20 mins or so for a bit and I'd love for some guidence on the new meta

[glad aurora]

what're you trying to make

[olive blade]

I have a lot to figure out haha

[glad aurora]

ha, fair

makes sense to start with the small stuff ("put S2 on ship"), there's a lot of things we couldn't figure out even with months and hundreds of games

which is a damn good thing, there's just so much depth here that there's very little that can claim to be solved

[olive blade]

more just figuring out the shape of what games look like now

I guess

and what things are needed, what a team needs, etc

[wary flame]

pubs right now are like watching two incredibly drunk people trying to box, it's this wonderful epiphenomena that I've never seen before because this is the first time I've had a headstart on the learning curve like this

they're not aiming at anything in particular, but they're not defending themselves either, so when someone randomly flails in the direction of the jaw their opponent just goes crashing down with no resistance whatsoever

it's a surprisingly good spectator sport but I imagine it won't last very long, doesn't take too much experience to get acquainted

[wet root]

Are Flight Deck Traversal Systems (the 3x3x3 component with -30% deck traversal time) worth running on a carrier? I don't really have a mental model for how much time is spent arming vs traversing vs etc.

[wary flame]

after the lift goes up you need to wait for the traversing time for the arming of the next unit to begin

since you want to be arming stuff as quickly as possible it's a worthwhile buff

the usual rule of thumb is to buy 1 DGL, 1 FTDS, 2 DGL, 2 FTDS, etc.

until you have three FTDS, at which point diminishing returns kick in

[noble zodiac]

yeah there's a hard minimum traversal time

i forget what it is

[wet root]

Makes sense, even if it would be very funny if they just sped up the animations if you brought enough

[noble zodiac]

but the fourth FTDS takes you under it and so you hit the cap

[noble zodiac]

plane instantly teleports onto the deck

altho i think the animations are always the same

i think

[wary flame]

when it was first introduced I really hoped it would speed up the animations

alas

[noble zodiac]

that woulda been based tbh

[wet root]

Btw, does comms jamming do anything against craft? I'm assuming nothing except preventing sharing of tracks as usual

[noble zodiac]

in unrelated news, i have come up with an additional name to contribute to the pile of names for the CMDlunge+ARADs1 improved The Guy variant:

[glad aurora]

buying expensive things for girls

[glad aurora]

5 seconds

[noble zodiac]

yeah that tracks

thought it was either 8 or 5

[glad aurora]

squeezed out an excellent sprinter bomber pair design for 1300pts

means I can fit two of them into a fleet and then do ??????? with the remaining 400pts

[quiet quiver]

FDTS are really impactful, because they reduce time instead of increasing speed, which is a very important distinction with how stacking works

The first few take off around 12s each

[glad aurora]

generally, AN gets the most out of 1-2 DGLs and 0-2 FDTS, while OSP goes full send on 3 FDTS and 3 DGLs for the Moorline and it's very variable for the jman depending on strikedown count and whether you third-hangar it

levies also take 0-1 strikedown, on that note (0 for double and some single, 1 for most single)

[glad aurora]

oh yeah, this is sauced

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Anti-Light Strike' is composed of 5 ships that cost 3000 points:

            Broken : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile EWar]
          Forsaken : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile EWar]
            Beaten : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile PD Sensor]
              Lost : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile PD Sensor]
Necromancer's Call : 'Raines' class Frigate [PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 6 different missile types:
```yaml
         SGM-101 Hobgoblin : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-120 Carian Retaliation : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
   SGM-2 Fish Poking Stick : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE)/CMD - HE FRAG [7pts]
            SGM-H-2 Sunray : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[ARAD(RADAR)] - HE FRAG [12pts]
            SGM-H-244 Bell : DIRECT - CMD/HOJ(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [14pts]
         SGM-H-244 Steeple : DIRECT - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [14pts]

[wet root]

Oh interesting, I hadn't considered that small craft can go outside the map without being forced to retreat

With fuel pods that might open some unusual angles of attack

[junior heron]

excited to show up to boat night tomorrow with completely untested abominations

[misty storm]

the fact that kayanite squadron's main loadout for the cudas is throw a wall of lead at them is great

[wet root]

I don't think I'm supposed to be able to bring this any more?

[junior heron]

aren't you?

[wet root]

I was thinking normal PD flak was 70mm lol

[junior heron]

just beamed my first strikecraft

[wet root]

The Autumn's best PD strikes again

Having built an abomination of a 1500 point Levy, I now need to decide what to bring that actually does something

[oak shell]

Beam DD and some police frigates

[wet root]

How effective is 250mm RPF against craft? Thinking about bringing back the Vauxen

[wary flame]

solid

big pile of vauxes is very hard to get craft into

[wet root]

Though I probably shouldn't bring one with a Levy for a while because I am going to be absolutely drowning in micro

[oak shell]

I tried the Levy starter fleet today and I did not find it to be punishingly micro-heavy

The main difficulty I found is more about paying attention to a lot more of the map

craft themselves don't require a lot of clicks

[wet root]

Mostly I'm expecting it to be like cap fleets, where you have to keep a decent amount of focus on each of your groups, because if you let them get caught in the open they're squished

[oak shell]

yes

[wet root]

And I was at best mediocre at that when I was playing Neb regularly

So when I'm just getting back into it, I'll probably not try to bring a ship that has that requirement on its own plus a micro-heavy ship like a softkill Vaux

[oak shell]

Well the good (?) news is that softkill is dead

[mint sinew]

Softkill only is dead, softkill is still a valuable tool