Nebulous: Fleet Command

[tulip vault]

Ill be honest Im entirely unwilling to grant the nebulous discord community the benefit of the doubt, but that’s nice to hear I guess

Fare thee well silly intel minigame, we hardly knew ye

[noble zodiac]

conquest literally still happening
intel minigame probably high priority for keeping into the second iteration

:V

[tulip vault]

I never said it wouldn’t come back

Just like, I will have to wait many years to squint at fuzzy images

[noble zodiac]

well yea

[tulip vault]

Sorry, I am overreacting, I just feel slightly throat-jumped-down

[noble zodiac]

that was kinda already the case xP

[wary flame]

boosted reactor, I think one PCC and no radar

[quiet quiver]

The less feature bloated version will likely develop significantly faster, especially if half the features are recycled from the cream of the current one

1 year for carriers, 1 year for nuConquest does not feel like an unrealistic shot in the dark

[wet root]

Also, y'know, already-finished UI framework should help speed up the dev cycle a tad

[rain mica]

True

[oak shell]

Next time you miss a boat night, I'll take some screenshots and run them through a jpeg compressor a few times
If that helps

[past light]

Skirmish vs Conquest balance seems like a difficult problem to square, I don't envy Mazer that one.

On a strategic scale, you really don't ever want to take a fair fight if you can help it. Which is entirely counter to skirmish mode needing to have both sides on as even footing as possible.

[misty storm]

||sad about conquest being put on hold but.||

||CARRIERS NEXT HELL FUCKING YEAG||

if conquest does come about its gonna be scaled way down

and more of just a vehicle to string together skirmish battles

which is fine imo

[supple sonnet]

When not if

[misty storm]

yeah, when

sorry i misspoke there

my prediction is carriers within a year

becasue, it seems like they got a pretty long way on conquest in a pretty timeley manner, and carriers seems a good bit less intensive

disclaimer: gamedev hard

but im hopeful

im not a super big grand strategy kind of buny, and carriers are super exciting

[rigid bison]

can't wait for 3k "supercarriers"[sic] to be the ANS middie weapon of choice in pubs

[misty storm]

I feel like carriers are gonna be like

Battleship level points

Or what clns are now may be a good refrence

They’re gonna be most if not all of your fleet

[quiet quiver]

I actually kinda hope that the main Alliance and OSP carriers are different weight classes

[supple sonnet]

We rely hope one faction gets ecort carriers of some kind

[quiet quiver]

Yeah, my ideal is like a cruiser-sized escort carrier for Alliance that fits out to 1.5k, and OSP gets a MN-size carrier/missile ship with only a single big mount

[junior heron]

one of the devlogs mentioned that the CLN would be the OSP carrier, though I hope they still get another hull

I really think The Brick would fit a nice place for OSP, if it was just a single container bank plus some small mounts

[misty storm]

My thought is that managing fighters may take a good bit of micro by neb standards, so the carriers are gonna be big ships

But I guess escort carriers/the brick on top of that would be cool?

If you’re cracked at the game ig

I believe a ship that is just one container bank got concept art

https://www.tumblr.com/papapandashipyards/729345527492313088/designing-the-osp-ships-for-nebulous-fleet-command

Here

[misty storm]

I know mazer outlined what carriers would look like waaaay back but I wonder if he will stick to it

Is missile cam still in skirmish?

[wary flame]

yes, long may it live

[misty storm]

Mmm. I feel like missile cam will die when carriers comes out

Since a big role strike craft will have is scouting

A good thing is OSP will be able to have fighters and containers on one hull theoretically

I just wanna see what the ans carrier will look like frankly

[rigid bison]

Lets be brutally honest: it will look disturbingly like IRL American carriers

[quiet quiver]

Modern American carriers, or WW2 American carriers?

[rigid bison]

The former, much like a lot of the current ANS lineup

[supple sonnet]

I don't think ANS is modern amarican navy, it's far more cold war. especially whit the clasess the ANS has

with the USN and ANS only both having DD's and FF's besides the carries

[quiet quiver]

Modern USN doesn't have FFs currently!

[supple sonnet]

Right they are on order

,,,,, would that make the solomon the equivalent of the reactivated uss iowa?

only if it had more missle chanles

😔

[quiet quiver]

Nah it wasn't designed around missiles, so you can consider that an upgrade akin to installing missile busses

[supple sonnet]

🤔 Yeah that dose track

[rigid bison]

so 3k bbs canonically exist as Alliance propaganda pieces, then

[glad aurora]

yep

[quiet quiver]

Also current surface combatant classes of the USN are the LCS, other LCS, DD, DDG, and CG

[supple sonnet]

we thought the Zumwalt was DDG(X)

[quiet quiver]

Oh wait they are DDGs

Look they were originally gonna be gun-focused destroyers and I forgot the Advanced Gun System isn't real and can't hurt you

[supple sonnet]

Come to find out there is somthign to expencive for the US navy

[quiet quiver]

I am unsure if they ever manufactured any ammo for the non-prototypes of the AGS

[supple sonnet]

i think there was like one batch made but i could easly be wrong

[quiet quiver]

I cannot be certain that that wasn't leftover test ammo

[misty storm]

I mean

Wasnt mazer an officer in the us navy

(fuck the us military, death to imperialism)

[supple sonnet]

he is active uity

[misty storm]

Yeah

Like, yeah that’s kind of a yikes but ship game good?

Idk

I don’t think people shouldn’t play the game because of that

[supple sonnet]

and i would argue that the US military is not imperialistic but hegemonic, wich is more a convo for #technical-discussion

[misty storm]

Eh, yeah

I’m a baby leftist so I don’t really think I could hold up a deep conversation

[supple sonnet]

There is also the whole thing whare a lot of the US the only relay option for a post high school education is to join the milatary. but for the basics Hedagmonys perfer soft power over hard (see the Philapines trying to cozy up to china and not gettingb in vaded but being a target of a disinfo campain)

[misty storm]

Yeah. I’ve seen your first point personally and it sucks

[supple sonnet]

Yeah it relay dose, and it a probelm that a lot of folks kinda just refuse to talk about

[tulip vault]

huh apparently khall made a different and maybe better version of salar

[junior heron]

yeah

oh lol it's literally called Ralas

[tulip vault]

yeah, it's quite funny

[wary flame]

it's kind of tiny

giant orbitals but all the rocks are clumped up in the middle

[rain mica]

you clearly didn’t see some of the BS that would’ve been possible with conquest

[quiet quiver]

Something about a fleet of a dozen surrender CLs, each unburdened from a 3k limit

EO hybrids to block out the sun

[rigid bison]

EO S3H cluster decoys that still get defeated by rocks and dodging

[noble zodiac]

rock PD best PD

[quiet quiver]

That's what cruise is for

[rain mica]

especially since it was AvA

[wary flame]

from Hermann on the neb server

[quiet quiver]

<@&942093958551588904> https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/887570/view/4201376568920416876

Well then

[hidden dove]

Boats Boats Boats Boats Boats Boats Boats Boats Boats

[noble zodiac]

impeccably based

[misty storm]

HUH???

WIIIIILD

[deft current]

Uhm, Neb W moment?

[misty storm]

Probably the best thing he could’ve done in this moment

It’s in modders hands now

[quiet quiver]

I'm prolly gonna not try it myself and let others fuck around and find out

[noble zodiac]

and, any possible confusion that conquest is still in the queue, is hopefully eliminated????

[quiet quiver]

(Also this was in the works for at least 27 hours, judging by the pinned post in conquest discussion channel)

[high kiln]

Anyone able to get a conquest game to start? The "create ship" button is greyed out for me in the navy editor

[rain mica]

Well yes

You need ship templates

And you can’t create them directly in the conquest screen because that wasn’t added

[quiet quiver]

Turns out interceptions were never implemented because no one could figure out the necessary equations to make them work, including tester volunteers

[rain mica]

Yup

Welcome to the conquest branch

There’s the warning in giant red text for a reason

Among other things, it’s possible the skirmish bug might show up again?

In which case, you won’t be able to do more than one battle

[bitter furnace]

not just the mathematical equations but also the technical implementation and the realistic balancing of it

even just the basic point-to-point orders were a spaghetti code nightmare according to Mazer

also without cheating, intercepts would have only been possible at the start and end of a ship's travel path due to relative velocity

TL;DR turns out the Expanselike flip-and-burn movement was a bad idea, it added nothing to the game other than "muh realism" and hurt us severely both tech wise and design wise

[wary flame]

I'll be honest, I'm entirely unsurprised that the strategic layer turned into gigadeathballs, that's usually how these things go

somewhere Solar Exalted A.T. Mahan gains some more XP

[quiet quiver]

Yeah I can imagine. I could see making the default travel assumption "long coast phase" and balancing fuel usage/availability around that, going at top speed is a luxury, etc, but it's in the middle of a whole stack of problems (any sort of technical implementation of interceptions being above balancing)

[rigid bison]

Honestly this feels like a case of Mazer demonstrating why Conquest needed Carrier’s update cycle to cook on the back burner

[wicked mirage]

<@&942093958551588904> I must eep during bote nite tonight, however I am currently awake and present on the mortal plane. Therefore, if anyone wants to play neblubby fleek gourmand I am here for a bit!

[wary flame]

sure, I can boat in five minutes or so

[wicked mirage]

Yay~

[wicked mirage]

I'm in a VC channel ^^ join whenever!

[junior heron]

a voice channel channel

I guess it could be voice chat channel

[quiet quiver]

My mental sketchbook for quick zeroth-order approximation is approaching "lies to children" level

[quiet quiver]

Found a Pillars fan

[noble zodiac]

lmfao

common billars prainrot

[rigid bison]

The one nice thing about Conquest is having map variety outside of All Pillars All The Time

[quiet quiver]

@wicked mirage

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'TF Thorn' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

    Minty Mommy : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
The Quasi Blame : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
     Skew Joker : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
          Detox : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
          Tribe : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
          Auger : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
         SGT-351 Flail : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [9pts]
SGT-353 Lance Block II : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [13pts]

[wicked mirage]

@rigid bison Sorry I didn't mean to interrupt you x.x have a good day!

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> boat night channels open o/

[quiet quiver]

Ah beat me to it

[runic torrent]

next boat night on <t:1719687600:F> <t:1719687600:R>

[runic torrent]

seems like people got their boating in earlier today

[wary flame]

I have been annoyingly scheduled out of 95% of my online evening activities because my current job means my day starts at 3:30am and I'm really tired by 8pm, evidently I need to resurrect Morning Mechabellum or something with the Euros and the Aussies

[runic torrent]

y'know, if you wanna schedule more regular stuff - I'm actually looking into experimenting more with the "Event" functionality in discord

https://discord.gg/lancer?event=1254178937387352084

stuff like this

if you'd like me to set something up, poke me

speaking of - <@&942093958551588904> hey guys i'm experimenting with the discord event system. if you're interested in next week's boat night, mark yourself as interested here: https://discord.gg/lancer?event=1254179995845132419

[rigid bison]

I've been bouncing off of abandoned!conquest hard, partially due to lack of tutorialization but also due to lack of control over the starting scenario. I'd like to design my starting TFs, mostly to avoid oilers and landing ships being scattered to the four winds

[wet root]

I mean, yeah, it's an early alpha version

If you want something playable, wait and hope someone mods it

[junior heron]

morning mechabellum was fun, i've been wanting to ping you and Thijs more for some

[rain mica]

manaiacal laughing

[neat galleon]

We’re so back

[junior heron]

@wicked mirage in one of the pre-boat-night game, this was one of the devices that jammed you out.
I couldn't get all 4 bellbirds clearly in the picture

[noble zodiac]

what the fuckulous

[wary flame]

paying for an entire MN just so you can't get RPFed is fun

[wary flame]

all my fleets are so shoddy-looking after three months of rushed Testulous updating and then just not putting in the fleet editor time

Nebulous tech debt

need to set aside two hours to just clear my entire fleet folder and rebuild

[glad aurora]

tech debt (the year-old CL design I have sitting in the fleet folder) (the CMD/SACT S3H design)

[wary flame]

my MMTs have been RPFed for the last goddamn time

[noble zodiac]

what the fuckulous

i hate that this makes sense

important clarifying question: how fast is it

[wary flame]

550pts with the bigger main gun and sundrive/Rdrive setup, plus a small DC and an extra aux steering

34 m/s on flank

[bitter furnace]

very based, it's unfortunate MMM doesn't have the same ring to it

[junior heron]

the full "multi mission monitor" does though
you can expand the concept also to "multi mission marauder"s or a personal favorite, the "multi mission moorline"

[glad aurora]

my own extremely fat MMT is 700pts, I don't know how you did it

[wet root]

Yours have like 150 points of DC plus buff modules IIRC

Guessing Misc is relying on the fact that an unbuffed MN will still win a gunfight with any FF or FFL

[glad aurora]

true, fair.

[quiet quiver]

Time to figure out the multi-mission frigate

(The issue is that frigates don't have access to strong spinals that can be a one-stop-shop for at least decent DPS)

[wet root]

Clearly the answer here is to use the MMK

[quiet quiver]

Oh I was gonna start in on the MMD

[wet root]

(Practically, I think the MMR/MMF just relies on S2s/S2Hs, but that's a bit awkward in the AMM meta)

[rigid bison]

My concern with MMDs is the possibility of cutting beam buff modules

[wet root]

Eh, unbuffed beams will still eat anything Monitor or below alive

[quiet quiver]

There's very few components that you need FPAs to break, not having mostly means you can't fight Ocellos effectively (with high-DT guns and 40% DR)

Monitor has middling DR! Worse than a liner

[wet root]

TBH you can even still take out an Ocello pretty easily if you get a good engagement

[quiet quiver]

Actually you might not break liner guns or reinforced bits either but you'll core out the rest

[wet root]

A few seconds of beam on an Ocello's flank is likely to unpower it, at which point you just pos-fire the drive and move out of turret traverse range

Doesn't matter if they eventually fix a micro reactor

[wary flame]

it's called the Microwave for a reason, it goes MMMMMM

and the reason it's that cheap is because it's literally just an MMT, I didn't give it more than eight missiles and one small DC

if you accept it being slow and take only a single rapid you can get to 500

[glad aurora]

ah, I see

[quiet quiver]

And I guess you don't esp need good turning with the C56

[glad aurora]

I think I still prefer the nose T30

[quiet quiver]

https://www.twitch.tv/rimmy

Someone doing a conquest stream

[junior heron]

oh speaking of conquest is anyone else unable to create fleets in it?

[oak shell]

Seems so: #1164000873031151637 message

[junior heron]

ah, different issue: when I open the Fleet Editor, I can't create ships from blank hulls - the game just gives me an error and doesn't open the window. Also means I have no template for the transport or tanker

[supple sonnet]

Oh hey, Rimmy!

[oak shell]

Rimmy's stream has made a 1TC Frontline Solomon

[oak shell]

Ah, they hit a game breaking bug

[quiet quiver]

Conquest modding going well
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895486593211727912/1254637466363891843/image.png

[glad aurora]

@lone violet

[wicked mirage]

<@&942093958551588904> screaming pterodactyl noises

Translation: Let's play a game ^^

[pliant dove]

No

[noble zodiac]

who up burning they lance

[pliant dove]

Pterodactyls are cringe

/lhj

[noble zodiac]

grabs you and shakes you vigorously

[wicked mirage]

I am the cringemaster, I fear not cringe nor grummy

[supple sonnet]

bites you and thrashes you around

Gamma, Spreadsheet Sorceress ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) grabs you and shakes you vigorously

[wary flame]

alas, I must sleep

[noble zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/violent-gif-23614728

[wicked mirage]

Eat your boss, then you don't have to work

[glad aurora]

Alas, I am in Elden Ring final boss hell

They really outdid themselves with this one (derogatory)

[wicked mirage]

[noble zodiac]

ayo???
pyrope cookin fr

[wet root]

Cooking her boss, apparently

[noble zodiac]

eat the rich

[quiet quiver]

In between doing design work and prototyping for Carriers, I've been working on our next minor update as well. This one will feature a visual update of the fleet editor's UI (but don't worry, everything is staying in roughly the same place), and the addition of many long-requested QoL features such as better missile engine adjustment tools.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409639847356137473/1256475201235980409/Unity_0IJL0Etndy.mp4

Mazer posted this in dev gallery

[ivory juniper]

Ooh nice

[wet root]

Ooooh

[quiet quiver]

Right?

[wicked mirage]

Hey guys, is anyone interested in doing boat night tonight? I'll be down to play one or two games if enough people are.

[junior heron]

i'll be around

i can be around earlier if that means Misc can get some games in

[wicked mirage]

@wary flame If I draw a pentagram on the ground and burn a Forbes magazine in the center is that the way to summon you to the mortal plane?

[wary flame]

The Financial Times works best but I do appreciate bullying Forbes for being useless

I actually have no work tomorrow so I am good to Neb

[wicked mirage]

Hell yeah! Also duly noted on The Financial Times xD

[ivory juniper]

yeah im down

[noble zodiac]

what time again

i may or may not exist depending on how that interacts with my Other Plans (running an AV:T playtest and then playing zero-k with a friend)

[wicked mirage]

About 4 hours from now.

[noble zodiac]

[checks notes]
yea i think so !

[ivory juniper]

so <t:1719687600:t>?

[wicked mirage]

Yar

As far as I know yeah

I won't be home until around a half hour after that.

[ivory juniper]

fair nuf

[wicked mirage]

Cuz I get off of work right when boat night starts

Plus I'll need to temporarily redownload Neb to play today.

[junior heron]

zero-k mentioned 👀

[wet root]

I could hop in for a game or two, if I can drag myself out of bed

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> opened the boat night channels o/

[deft current]

Was boat night on Beta or main?

[junior heron]

pretty sure there's just main branch at the minute

and technically conquest but that's an incredibly unstable beta

[wet root]

@wicked mirage want us to wait for you for game 1? I only just got loaded into Neb

[noble zodiac]

i think pyrope is driving rn?

[topaz jolt]

Neb noises go brrr, and I be busy right now.

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Dune Lineships' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

Driving Without Rhythm : 'Marauder' class Line Ship [Plasma Gun Sensor PD]
        Nissan al-Gaib : 'Marauder' class Line Ship [Missile Gun PD Sensor]
      Kwisatz Cadillac : 'Marauder' class Line Ship [Missile Gun PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-1 Margin Call : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Royal Pumpkin (450LN+Intel)' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

      Royal Pumpkin : 'Marauder' class Line Ship [Gun Missile PD]
Princess Candy Corn : 'Flathead' class Monitor [PD Gun Sensor]
  Dancing Scarecrow : 'Ferryman' class Clipper [PD]
     Little Lantern : 'Ferryman' class Clipper [PD]
```This fleet uses 6 different missile types:
```yaml
              CM-431 PUMPKIN NUKE : DIRECT - CMD/ARAD(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [22pts]
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
             SGM-106 Garden Guard : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
                     SGM-13 Esuna : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
        SGM-177 Orichalcum Shield : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [9pts]
             SGM-231 PUMPKIN BOMB : DIRECT - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [9pts]

[quiet quiver]

<@&942093958551588904> Hello everyone! We are looking at rescheduling our Nebulous Boat Night due to scheduling concerns and people who cannot regularly make the current scheduled time. To that end, I have created a WhenIsGood to query what times are good for people
https://whenisgood.net/pnet-boats/jul2024

Also please select any times that are good for you, if you only select 1 time slot I will be assuming you can only make that 1 time slot

[quiet quiver]

Also checked the build of that BB I played and now know why accuracy was shit, no GPC

[quiet quiver]

Update: It's also not smolcake's

[glad aurora]

desperately continuing to try to make CLs that function with MNs the way they are now

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Anti-monitor action 3' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

        No Absolution : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun Missile PD]
              No Plan : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
No Safety Regulations : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [EWar PD]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
          SGM-233 Amicus Brief : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - NONE [23pts]
        SGM-233 Yard Sale Sign : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [10pts]
SGM-H-220 Not Very Fond Of MNs : DIRECT - CMD - HEKP [22pts]

[glad aurora]

I think this works? Probably?

(the yard sale signs are just to fill points, they're 6/4 anti-capshuttle bonkers)

the general hypothesis is that the amicus brief pops out six decoys at 5km, which should cover the flakskip S2H in to the target

[oak shell]

<@&942093958551588904> would anyone be up for a little boat?

[mint sinew]

That's a lot of GPCs for mk64s. Are you trying to clump your fire to shoot your own shell impacts or something?

[glad aurora]

Yep, because MNs.

[mint sinew]

Interesting, has that worked out in practice? I'm not sure how tight that grouping ends up in practice

[glad aurora]

Kind of? It's hard to tell, honestly.

[quiet quiver]

Patch Notes - 0.3.2.22:240702-0001

+PUBLIC TEST BRANCH+

Changes/Features:

• Ported numerous utility classes from conquest branch to main for later use.
• Added "High Saturation (Neb Classic)" color palette option under Accessibility settings.
• Update numerous weapon sounds.
• Updated Fleet Editor UI and most general purpose windows with new look and feel.
• Added coarse/fine adjustment mode and ability to lock axes on missile engine triangle slider.
• Fleet Editor Undo/Redo hotkeys are now bindable in the settings.
• Added copy/paste component functionality for Fleet Editor, with bindable controls.
• Improved fleet editor performance when switching between ships.
• Added right-click context menu to Fleet Editor.
• Added ammunition load endurance stats to fleet editor.
• Made all list items brighter in their idle state.
• Lowered default music volume.
• Adjust some weapon effect volume levels. No need for additional comments, more work will be done.

Ammo load endurance!

[rigid bison]

hopefully this allows a better understanding of how much PD and DP ammo to bring

[quiet quiver]

Also copy/paste

[mint sinew]

Hopefully it smoothly handles copying magazines around. Will make loading up internals nicer

[noble zodiac]

alright time for an export request

what kind of engine triangle and warhead/engine scale does a torp need to have to reliably beat pavise?

or is that generally not doable?

(trying to compare against the damage output a hybrid can lay down for finishing blows on tugs)

(my current performance has two hybrids,,,, failing to kill a tug)

[quiet quiver]

Warhead/engine scale is just range vs damage on torps (including pen, which matters a lot for s1/s2)

Beating pavise on small ships is very hard, beating it on line ships I think the Spinjitzu Cringemaster suffices, which is cork with 3.0 G turning and 190 m/s speed

[wicked mirage]

215 M/S @ >3.6G Maneuverability generally does the trick.

Even against small stuff in my experience, so long as you fire a salvo of 3+ or so.

A salvo of 2 could maybe do it

However, may I interest you in mixing a hot launch Torp and a cold launch S3H together?

[glad aurora]

215 and greater than 3.6? How small is your warhead?

[wicked mirage]

As small as the amount of evil in my soul (Size 2 or 3 Warhead)

👼

[noble zodiac]

ahhhhh

yeah that won't do, this is a scrimpter with 2 programming channels

however i did discover that i don't need torps to do the trick

and that reinforced-to-fuck MMTs reliably die to three S3H HEKP directly through the faceplate

two if i soften them up with the 250 and 120s in the squadron first

[wet root]

The salvo I've been playing with is 2x HE S3H + 1x slightly slower HEKP BSSJ S3H, you could try something similar with one of each

(ACT[CMD] on the HE, CMD/BSSJ on the HEKP, so the HE can dodge Pavises)

[noble zodiac]

,,, what the fuck do you mean dodge pavises

hybrids just do that by default if you put cork and decent maneuver

right?????

[glad aurora]

🙂

[noble zodiac]

that react is Not Helping my anxiety x.x

[wet root]

Pavises on small ships sometimes hit pure CMD IME

[noble zodiac]

ah so its the seeker

[wet root]

But ACT tends to get a lot of free weave, since it usually gets somewhere off-center in the cone

And has to correct

I think there's some tricks to make pure CMD better at dodging as well? You'd have to ask Misc about that though

[noble zodiac]

ask misc about that
@wary flame consider thyself asked

[wet root]

Oh, I think Cork CMD probably dodges them fine already as well

I'm just a cheapskate, and also I find cork sometimes messes with the HEKP

[noble zodiac]

oh weave

ok

[wet root]

No terminals at all on mine actually

[noble zodiac]

huuuuuuuuh

i see

[wet root]

Since the ACT[CMD] mostly acts as though it's weave anyway

Presumably having both is even better though

Just, again, cheapskate

[noble zodiac]

tbf wouldn't ACT[CMD] just get jammed out

MMT, bellbird,

[wet root]

It can, yeah

[noble zodiac]

right

[wet root]

I think they reacquire around the same time as the Pavises acquire through the BSSJ

But I haven't tested that in-depth yet

(And since they're reject validated they continue straight under jamming)

[noble zodiac]

given i'm setting this fleet up for a tournament im not all too keen on taking my chances w stuff like that xP

probably gonna go like, CMD/HoJ across the board

[wet root]

Yeah, being a bit spendier makes sense in that context

[noble zodiac]

and fortunately, MMTs do not in fact get to golfball

[wet root]

Definitely recommend getting at least some SSJ/BSSJ in there

[noble zodiac]

fair

[wet root]

Because AMMs are a scourge

[noble zodiac]

i gave them hardened skin for now

but that's a decent point

[wet root]

I'm not a huge fan of CMD/HoJ specifically because you'll probably not lose track if you're close enough to hit with just the sprint stage

And if you're not they stage early under HoJ and range out

[noble zodiac]

oh wtf

does CMD not override the HoJ staging???

[wet root]

It does, but only if you have a track, I believe

[noble zodiac]

right

[wet root]

Might want to double check that, I tend to avoid HoJ in general, but I think that's how it works

[noble zodiac]

and so then if i lose the track it'll stage off the HoJ unless i lose the track Specifically within terminal envelope

[wet root]

I believe so

And if you're that close you're probably keeping track

[noble zodiac]

yea

[wet root]

I suppose you could kill your radar intentionally if you only have a bad track

[noble zodiac]

fortunately this build includes a bullseye

so bad tracks against MMTs are unlikely ish i think?

[wet root]

Yeah, not sure if you get the full range out of the Bullseye but presumably you're either locked or jammed out

[noble zodiac]

yea

i dont, frontline is only 8 klicks

but those hybrids Arent Going To Fucking Miss

[wet root]

Amusingly, I do run the one build that actually gets messed up by CMD/HoJ:

Hangup/Blanket Ocellos

Where they get close enough to get Hanguped and then sprint in on the HoJ

[wary flame]

I find CMD/HOJ is good for torp sprinters bonking MMTs but also tends to miss shuttles on a sprinter frontline track, so I don't bring it often

[oak shell]

Is there a verdict?

[quiet quiver]

So, I've gotten 9 results in, and all the times that 7 people can make are on Saturday, starting either 1 hour earlier or 2 hours (or more) later

Putting it either too early for Lord Fluffy or too late for Misc (current time is both of these)

If no one here is a fight clubber I might just bite the bullet and set it concurrently with Fight Night (2 hours before current time)

[mint sinew]

If creeping the time forward will help fire boat night more consistently don't worry about it suiting me. I'll just try and catch people for more ad-hoc games

[quiet quiver]

I figured there would be a decent chance that it’s impossible to accommodate everyone, we just have a tie between two 7/9 time slots

But I suspect I should be poking the person who penciled in exactly one time slot because from his text comment I suspect he didn’t understand the assignment

But that’s for morning times

[junior heron]

I think it might just be you and me, and neither of us really show up for it anymore

[quiet quiver]

Winged, Grandar, Aneta, Jenny, Punch, have also been regulars in both at one time or another. Probably missing a few more names

[olive blade]

oh yeah I missed this uh

[wicked mirage]

I'll do the thing as well with the schedule link one sec

Ok, I think I did the thing

[quiet quiver]

<@&942093958551588904> Last call for https://whenisgood.net/pnet-boats/jul2024 , I will be finalizing a decision in 3 hours

[quiet quiver]

Okay so... 13 respondents, best is 10 people at Sat <t:1720918800:F>. Runners up are at 9 people at vaguely around then, earlier at <t:1720893600:F>, or around <t:1720836000:F>

If I drop the threshold to 8/13, it's basically either Friday evening or some time Saturday, including the status quo

[night fable]

It's Friday, and that means it's time for more Friday Night NEBULOUS: Fleet Command! I'm hosting open multiplayer lobbies to be streamed on my Twitch channel below!

https://www.twitch.tv/docvivileandra <@&942093958551588904>

[bitter furnace]

best is 10 people at Sat Friday
did you mean Sat or Fri?

[quiet quiver]

That is in fact an error

Should be 8 days later

Fixed

[wicked mirage]

I can do Friday evenings

But Saturdays are too hard for me

Plus I got DnD in the evenings on Saturdays

[wicked mirage]

What's the plan for today?

[oak shell]

<t:1720314000:F> I would assume

Since that's when the most people can make it

[wicked mirage]

Gotcha, unofrtunately I'll be in DnD at that time

Depending on how late DnD goes tho I might be able to catch the tail end of it tho!

[wary flame]

yeah, I am unfortunately not able to make 2am starts these days, but enjoy

[quiet quiver]

No today is the status quo time, I'm not changing it on short notice

Next week will be the new time

[oak shell]

ah icic

[runic torrent]

oh are you guys changing up boat night times?

I can hand over boat night management to you alice

[quiet quiver]

Looking at it, yeah

[runic torrent]

that makes a ton of sense

i'll open the channels now for today

<@&942093958551588904> I'm gonna wander off and cook some lunch, so I'm opening the boat night channels a few minutes early. you guys have fun! o/

[lone violet]

no more boat nights for brits. pensive

[wet root]

Can't make boats tonight, but server should be up, now with 100% more Ralas

[wet root]

Have you answered the scheduling survey? I think there were a few responses that were very close in votes

[lone violet]

ahh, i hadn’t — in fairness i’ve not been a regular attendant, i was thinking i might do so soonish, but i can always catch other games here

[wet root]

Yeah, might be able to get games going if you ping Saturday evening (morning for US)

[quiet quiver]

Had a idea that may or may not be terrible. Alternating weekly between early and late on Saturday. I think has the issue that people would prefer a regular time, whether or not you can make eithr

[runic torrent]

alice you okay with handling figuring out when the next boat night will be?

[quiet quiver]

I'm working on it

[quiet quiver]

Patch Notes - 0.3.2.22:240707-1027
+PUBLIC TEST BRANCH+
Changes/Features:

• Updated most remaining UI elements.
• Added moddable HUD icon sets.
• Added "Nebulous Classic" (current set) and "Nebulous Aegis" icon sets to stock assets.
• Added color selection dropdown for Mine, Friend, and Enemy HUD markers.
• Missile decoys owned by your team now appear on the HUD with the decoy icon instead of the missile icon.

Also if you want to see the new icon set, this is Aegis: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895486593211727912/1259459411638882395/image.png

And this is the classic for comparison: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/895486593211727912/1259459358236868678/image.png

[oak shell]

New type of device spotted

[noble zodiac]

fascinating

[ivory juniper]

wuh where, the missilomon?

[quiet quiver]

I suspect specifically with torps

[wicked mirage]

ARISE! Arise from the dead, thread!! With BOATS!

I made a dual Ax fleet ^^

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Miltia & Melanie (2x CH)' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

 Miltia Malachite : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
Melanie Malachite : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Rail]

[wary flame]

I do like a triple drive axford but the lack of actdecoy pains me

[glad aurora]

Why two chaffboxes?

If you cut one on each and drop the chaff count a tiny bit, you can add ADs.

[wet root]

Makes it a lot harder to Gale you

And less likely to lose your entire chaff supply to one lucky 450 hit

[glad aurora]

Interesting.

[wicked mirage]

Also it's symmetrical xD but yeah I should proly add some AD's

[mint sinew]

Does crew not support you splitting a large DC into two smalls? Given you have the spare slot it saves you 5pts for an extra team

[junior heron]

@quiet quiver were you thinking of switching to the survey-ed time for this boat night? if so, when was it?

[quiet quiver]

I never made a final decision

One of the possible times was right now

[oak shell]

Pyrope and I are in bananebulous right now

[noble zodiac]

oh shitulous

lemme get on rq command

[junior heron]

lol

[noble zodiac]

finally at a time where i can partake of the nebulizing

augh it already

FUCK that was 20 minutes ago

[junior heron]

well
<@&942093958551588904> in the uncertainty of "when is boat night" I'll throw a ping out to ask if anyone wants to play now

[oak shell]

I'm in a game right now

as is Pyrope

[junior heron]

how long? and do you think you'll be up for more?

[oak shell]

We are done

I'm up for more

[junior heron]

aye aye, sitting in a voice channel

[junior heron]

would you like to join us?

if you still have time?

[noble zodiac]

maybe

yall left the banana lobby tho

[junior heron]

mostly just waiting to coordinate which lobby to join

(if you don't want to voice we can coordinate here)

[noble zodiac]

i dont not want to voice

however

spoons

[junior heron]

🥄

[quiet quiver]

I did open the VC channels

But ugh all anxious about dropping the schedule ball AND sleeping in

[junior heron]

you're fine!

[runic torrent]

awww no worries alice

I could've opened the channels too

they'll ping us if it's too much of a delay

[junior heron]

@oak shell we have moved to the real boat night channels

[oak shell]

Normal team composition

[wicked mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/truck-anime-truck-truck-kun-engage-kiss-truck-gif-26170051

[oak shell]

We killed 11 beamstones for the win

[glad aurora]

my god, we're returning to two patches ago

[junior heron]

reject cap gaming, return to AvA early access release

when nobody knew anything

[junior heron]

Goodbye Peri, goodbye Gamma (I assume)!

[wary flame]

the platonic lineship

no orders, no ammo, no missiles

[wicked mirage]

xD

[noble zodiac]

how the fuck-

[glad aurora]

well, this would be a decent ship if it weren't for how fucked mixed salvos with rolloffs/programmables is

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Horrible device' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

The Slimy Storm : 'Moorline' class Line Ship [Missile PD Ewar Sensor]
  The Later Van : 'Draugr' class Clipper [Ewar EWar Gun Sensor PD]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
     CM-430 Solid Snake : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [13pts]
      SGM-101 Hobgoblin : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
        SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
SGM-255 Deluge Block II : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [9pts]

[glad aurora]

if anyone knows how to abuse that mechanic better than I, hopefully you can make this actually work

[wet root]

I think what you have to do is order the programmables, set to hold fire while programming, order the rolloffs, then weapons free once done programming

[glad aurora]

Nah, you can queue containers into missile salvo just fine

the problem with that is that the containers gain too much speed and are still slightly ahead of the S2s by the time they reach PD prioritization range

and thus they all die before they can hit the Axfords

I'm trying to make containers with S2 penaids, not S2s with container penaids

[mint sinew]

Need to tune your speeds/cold launch your containers. When I was messing around with this I found that same acceleration problem meant you had a sweet spot on ranges where one beat the other.

Also pretty sure containers get priority over S2s unless the S2s are significantly closer

My best version worked out as a pair of support containers slightly lagging behind offensive S2s. The decoys would hijack the pd after it was already trying to engage the S2s to buy a little extra life.

However that was from the offside of a bulker, not sure if scaling up to a dedicated CLN changes the breakpoints

[glad aurora]

Yeah, the goal here is to just overwhelm PD with S2s and then smack a couple of containers into them to kill the ship.

[mint sinew]

Are the S2s holding pd attention over the containers if they get there first? I thought pd prioritised by size

[glad aurora]

There's a weird interaction I'm trying to exploit between decoy containers and S2s where the PD is prioritizing the apparent-swarm-of-things-about-to-hit-them and that buys the containers a bit of extra time (plus whatever PD the S2s disable).

[mint sinew]

Yeah, I assume imminent S2 hits will take priority, just wondering about the mid range run in once decoys are shot out but before near impact.

Wonder if this is the time for high g Wake primary missiles doing their attack wiggles to keep eyes on them

[glad aurora]

Yep, the "decoys shot out" thing is the problematic portion if I'm trying to pen something like PD Oak's net

[mint sinew]

Okay, done a very limited amount of messing around. Swapping to hot launch and mixing with half slightly slower support containers makes penning Oak from the front pretty doable at shortish ranges (~6k).

I think there is potential here with further tuning and testing.

Part of what I'm seeing is what I predicted. When the decoy coverage breaks down the containers get focused first so you are really escorting your S2s. If the S2s are enough faster than the containers to draw that aggro they just get mulched by the flak with the decoys.

This example has max speed S2s and is under decoyed to make a point, you can see the containers getting shot out past S2s that are about to impact the Axford.

[mint sinew]

A rough mockup of where I'll start for building this as an actual fleet. Currently quite greedy on the CLN which needs to shoot direct from 8k, so the first tuning step will be to get some extra range on the missiles or beef onto the CLN.

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Demolition Unit' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

   Weepy Spoke : 'Moorline' class Line Ship [Missile Ewar PD]
    Teal Nomad : 'Draugr' class Clipper [Sensor Gun PD Ewar]
The Wide Reply : 'Ferryman' class Clipper [Gun PD Ewar]
    Dual Snail : 'Ferryman' class Clipper [Gun PD Ewar]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
     CM-445 Regular Rock TEST : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [13pts]
     CM-S-447 Block Rock TEST : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [21pts]
       SGM-123 Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-237 Representative Bonker : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [5pts]

[glad aurora]

Interesting - so you still need plenty of decoys to secure a hit, because the decoys are also covering for even HS S2s.

How's the damage look with secured hits? Ideally this operates at 8k, yeah, because 6k means you might as well bring a MLS-3 liner or torpcello.

[mint sinew]

An individual strike (12xS2, 3xS4, 3x S4S) was consistently netting ~6k on a fresh Axford or flattening the whole bow.

The missiles I threw in there had 8k max range because I'd built them for use off the back of a bulker with only onboard illumination. It shouldn't be too bad on the engines to sneak some extra range back, it would just need more testing than I did.

Also I didn't even bother with HS on the S2s, they just don't draw pd fire beyond splashes of flak. No need to double your S2 cost

[glad aurora]

Hm.

Support containers are cluster decoy or decoy-decoy?

[mint sinew]

3x decoy. Total of 12 decoy modules in the salvo.

Another option that did work somewhat is dropping the split for 6x regular containers with cluster decoys. That's more expensive and the trailing boxes tend not to land anyway

[glad aurora]

I think that much damage into Oak PD (which is better than Solomon PD, honestly) is worth experimenting with the concept further.

9k means you can plausibly reach out and touch something with sunhaul, and if you catch them broadside I'd bet it just evaporates.

[mint sinew]

At longer ranges you are going to need to be careful with illumination or chance a light ship in close

[glad aurora]

Auxcringed tug should be able to manage it

[glad aurora]

Man, S2s are kind of just horrendously dogshit into Oaklike PD, aren't they?

I wanted to see if the S2cello could work, and it turns out that it just dies to flak. There's nothing else to it, it just dies to flak.

[junior heron]

that is the point of flak

[supple sonnet]

Yeah flak's nerf was to get it to work agenst s2's only and not be the best pd option for ever missle, but if you make a larg enough slavo you can get sometrough during the reload

[mint sinew]

S2 dumping axfords works best when their pd setup is low on flak. Sidearm 120mm Axfords really don't like being S2 spammed for example

[glad aurora]

Yeah, I'm just debating how worthwhile that is when you're really saying "is my opponent greedy or stupid"

[supple sonnet]

s2's are also decent agenst smaller ships who tend to not have much in the way of hardkkill to start with

[mint sinew]

See also: MMT missile packages

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Wouldn't it be funny if' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:

The Evil Idle : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Missile Rail PD EWar Sensor]

[mint sinew]

I see going all in on OSP S2 as very feast or famine. You can shred a ton of light ships, but may not meaningfully impact their capitals depending on layout

[glad aurora]

Yeah, I know that if I shoot salvo-10 CMD S2s at a Vauxhall off an Ocello it's dead.

Mm. Maybe it's just that every game is three battleships + friends which is skewing my perspective.

[mint sinew]

Yeah, if you are reading the meta as Solomon heavy then bringing a better suited tool will probably lead to better results

[glad aurora]

I've been playing torpcello+450 for a considerable time and am looking for something else to play, yeah

[wet root]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if you bring OSP's weakest S2 platform against ANS's strongest anti-S2 hardkill, I really really hope you get utterly demolished

If there were any other result here other matchups would be unplayable

[glad aurora]

Pfft. On one hand, fair enough

On the other hand, I don't think it's the weakest S2 platform

Ocello S2 is softkill-proof (???) S2 and (though I didn't bother using that capability here) actually has mixed salvos

[supple sonnet]

Points wise for the throw waight and ammo copacity yeah it relay is

and (s/e)ACT/WAKE s2's go trough softkill well enough that the coust preamium on the ocello and CMD is not realy worth it

[glad aurora]

Do WAKE acquire from the front arc?

Also, no HS 😔

[supple sonnet]

no it swings the missle back around once it pasess the ship that chaffed

[wet root]

I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable build, though I am generally skeptical, but you can just bring the same expensive S2s in other builds

But mostly it's definitely the most vulnerable to hardkill, since S2s really rely on weight of salvo

[glad aurora]

CMD doesn't get past disco on anything not an Ocello, to my knowledge

[wet root]

Depends on how close you are, I believe. But definitely not from range

But yeah, that's why I don't think it's that unreasonable, it just won't be able to break a flakwall

[supple sonnet]

Yeah we have definataly had our isakai trucks have thre trops stop there spin most of the way trough defender fire on single diso ships

[glad aurora]

Yeah, Isekai Truck or similar works, but that's 5km

and 5km of an ANS capital these days is

(it's also just "bring a torpcello," which is what I've been doing for... this patch)

[wet root]

Mostly S2Cello suffers because it only gets 2 more S2s per volley than a tug

[mint sinew]

Without doing the cursed VLS/MLS mixing

[wet root]

So if it can reliably kill capitals Tugs become absurd

[glad aurora]

😔

makes sense

[supple sonnet]

If you want to use OPS S2, we would recommend ACT/WAKE cruise missles on a LN or a group of MNs you get more throw waight and ammo copacity

[mint sinew]

If you do want to S2 dump ANS capitals to death the old standby of galespam still works pretty well

[glad aurora]

Yeah, the last time I tried it was a group of four MNs with SAH S2s

[mint sinew]

Multiple launch platforms also spreads out your salvo angles so flak gets less efficient

[quiet quiver]

Bye Bye Berthings
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409638848302153732/1263340982527852555/berthing.png

[mint sinew]

This has really interesting implications on both ends of size. Small ships lose their free compartment bulk while bigger ships really care for the extra compartment slot or two.

[quiet quiver]

Yeah

BB and MN are probably the two biggest winners tho

[supple sonnet]

No more dubble birthings on DCX moniters

[mint sinew]

Ocello/Axford being able to cleanly swap out the stretched berthing with a second RMag is a nice win too. In my experience both of those ships really want a second magazine but often scrape by with a hidden bulk mag

[night fable]

LAST STREAM WITH THE OLD MODEL!

It's time for some more Friday Night: Nebulous Fleet Command, as regularly scheduled, on my Twitch channel below!

https://www.twitch.tv/docvivileandra <@&942093958551588904>

[wicked mirage]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/510569829229527048/1070763600370737302/20230115_122759.gif

[mint sinew]

Hi @quiet quiver, just checking ahead of tomorrow when are we looking at kicking off boat night?

[quiet quiver]

I have not moved the time, IDK if there is really a better time

[mint sinew]

Figured that might be the case. I'll try and catch the end

[wicked mirage]

I have to take a nap for DnD today unfortunately sorry guys, got a big session coming up and I gotta be well rested for it!

[supple sonnet]

So like are we doing mainulus or testulus

?

[junior heron]

is there a significant testulous?

it's just the UI update right?

(also I won't be around very probably)

I think mainulous is the better option because it means everyone won't end up with unbound hotkeys if they play testulous and then return to mainulous

[quiet quiver]

<@&942093958551588904> Hello everyone, boat night channels are open!

[wicked mirage]

@junior heron @wary flame hnnnnng I can maybe play one if you guys are around? I miss you guys :c

I'll be home in about 15 mins

[wary flame]

from the neb server, I do like this one

[quiet quiver]

Damn I also just saw it and came here to post it

It's so good

[quiet quiver]

<@&942093958551588904> https://youtu.be/OM3_KxmVsnM

Carriers devlog!

[rain mica]

carriers devlog!

[ivory juniper]

WOOOOO

[noble zodiac]

CARRIERS CARRIERS CARRIERS

[quiet quiver]

||Alliance fighter is very F-22-coded||

[junior heron]

omg

it's a lil guy

[wary flame]

the fact they look like actual planes annoys me, but they fly nicely

[tulip vault]

I imagine the rationalisation will be that they are also used as actual planes

[dark dawn]

I was about to say, they're probably Aerospace assets

[wary flame]

OK, the skiff looks much better

[junior heron]

skiff looks almost exactly out of star trek

[quiet quiver]

Oh I love the Skiff

What a little guy

[dark dawn]

Wait

You get ship-launched helicopters?

10/10, I love it

I'm putting them on every single cruiser and battleship I build

I don't care if you can't even give them weapons, just having a little guy that can scout is so much fun

[tulip vault]

oh hey I was right

[junior heron]

lol

was about to ping you

[wary flame]

OSP craft concept art is beautiful

[tulip vault]

yeah those are incredible

[sharp crow]

I love missiles mcplatform

[quiet quiver]

Air/space fighters!

[wary flame]

but I do dislike that once again the protectorate get "old and outdated shit gear" rather than actually getting decent industry

they're purpose-built, sure, but I feel this was a real opportunity to actually make the OSP good at something other than "can jam EO"

since they're not really Gun Faction any longer with BBs and Axfords as strong as they are

[dark dawn]

I mean, it sounds like the OSP jets are actually better

[wary flame]

they're explicitly old and inflexible but in contention because the ANS ships are massive compromises

rather than because the OSP have actually used good tech for once

[dark dawn]

I mean, I'm not sure where exactly they'd pull modern stealth jets out of

But I see what you mean

[tulip vault]

I really hope the container ships get fighter decoys as containers

[wary flame]

give them a modern plane company, the fact that they are just assumed to never have anything good is my primary complaint

they just don't get anything to actually be proud of in the fiction other than sheer morale, since their main advantage in-game is point efficiency

[dark dawn]

And railguns that actually work

[wary flame]

points don't exist in narrative, so you just end up throwing bodies at problems and that's deeply unsatisfying

OSP having the advantage in carrier strike or dogfighting or something other than "can spam more shitty planes" would be much appreciated so hopefully that happens

[dark dawn]

I mean, I don't think it's more planes, they might actually have better ones

Or at least more specialised ones

[quiet quiver]

I think I would be happier if the framing for OSP craft was more "tried and true" than just "old"

[wary flame]

yeah

[dark dawn]

Also

You...

You're as beautiful as the day I lost you

[wary flame]

these guys look incredible

[dark dawn]

Absolutely gorgeous

[quiet quiver]

Though TBF Mazer never says outdated or shitty or such, his exact words are "older generation dedicated space fighters" and "while the Protectorate is flying older generation fighter craft they are in their dedicated element"

And yeah, they are gorgeous

[dark dawn]

Honestly, I just realised I really need to run my ships as the Galactic Terran Alliance

[glad aurora]

Now that is a space fighter

Look at that man with the underslung 105, he means business

[wary flame]

yeah, but can they not have current gen space fighters for once?

do they have to default to "stuff the ANS put away three hundred years ago" every time?

[glad aurora]

I wonder if backpack axford mounts are going to go to helicopter pads instead of interruptors

[quiet quiver]

I know 😔

Though TBF "last gen fighter" might at the same time also mean "newer than half the Alliance ship designs"

[wary flame]

really hoping I can squeeze a plane into the double 120 axford fleet since ethey have a spare back mount

[glad aurora]

I mean, yeah, you should be able to

The question is just whether it's more useful than the disco ball

[quiet quiver]

Or a few DC lockers

[glad aurora]

I'd normally say "disco ball one, plane the other," but

the problem with that is that it means you can't split them up anymore and still have innate CMDjam

[wary flame]

I already have only one disco

it's just going to be freeing up points to put a plane in the giant empty slot

[glad aurora]

Ah, fair.

Yeah, I think the berthing changes letting you split LDC into 2x SDC means you can afford it.

[rigid bison]

those rockets or s1s?

[wary flame]

the ANS had S1s, I'm not sure about the OSP concept art but they could be either

[wary flame]

currently the SDC premium is spent on active decoys, but I can figure out how to squeeze things if the plane isn't too expensive

[rigid bison]

skiffs are probably going to be a great backpack option, even if just to give extra radar+"cap-hate" (to mangle an MTG term) to capital ships

[glad aurora]

Okay Mazer, nice "skiff design"

I know what you are 🫵

[dark dawn]

So, on a semi-related note, anyone know how to decrease the file size of a PNG?

[junior heron]

posterize

[floral bloom]

I wonder if there will be a "hunt" command, where you send a plane at a track and tell it to follow (and possibly shoot).

[dark dawn]

Postewhat?

[tulip vault]

type png compressor into google

[quiet quiver]

Also I've been informed the Alliance fighter looks not like the F-22 but the tech demo that became it, the YF-23

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YF-23

[junior heron]

dunno what program you're using, but gimp has a posterize function that reduces the number of colors an image uses, reducing its size

effect isn't that noticable until like, 8 colors

[dark dawn]

Okay, I figured it out

Behold

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690716722004754432/1266154328490643496/image.png?ex=66a41d9b&is=66a2cc1b&hm=a34ccab09fdfd9f9beffe972aab7dd6d9ac825c60f6d6ad58723e8b12e005f77&

There is a 0% chance of anyone here recognising this, but I thought it's worth sharing

[oak shell]

I don't recognize it but it looks good

[misty storm]

I’m curious how defensive missiles will work with strike craft, if at all

[supple sonnet]

we would asume that they count as "small targets" and get ruined by most PD

[misty storm]

No I mean defensive missiles being equipped on strike craft

They may just not work since I don’t think they have pd controllers?

[floral bloom]

They can have size 1s and have “guard” as default behavior, so probably can work as pd?

[misty storm]

maybe?

like theyll just automatically fire on guard mode

[rigid bison]

I mean the chaff on a fighter has to come from somewhere other than its S1 pylons, so defensive options might be on the cards

[misty storm]

yeah they have intenral chaff

and offensives are used when you actually tell the strike craft to shoot somehting

[mint sinew]

Hard to tell just from radar tracks in tactical mode but it looks like the interceptors in the devlog had and used some AMMs

[misty storm]

fair

not sure if defensive missiles will only shoot at other missiles or if they will shoot at strike craft

id assume so?

well, the difference is that defensive missiles cna be controlled by the pd controller too

you can still shoot defensive missiles manually

maybe if a strike craft is guarding a ship, the ship's PD controller will consider its gun/defensive missiles as part of its PD network?

and maybe you can toggle its gun defensive/offensive like missiles too

[mint sinew]

Ah I see what you are going for. We'll have to wait and see

[misty storm]

so you flip it to offensive if you dont want a pd controller to use its ammo

[mint sinew]

It doesn't seem we'll have super active weapons control so it'll be interesting to see how much choice we get there

[misty storm]

yeah

[terse coyote]

That's not quite what happened

The YF-23 didn't become the F-22

There were two entries to the program, the YF-22 and YF-23. Completely different aircraft, built for the same competition by different companies

The YF-22 won, and went on to become the F-22 you know today

The YF-23, the loser, never got produced and got consigned to history.

[quiet quiver]

Oh whoops you're right

[terse coyote]

All good!

[supple sonnet]

Near the start of the devlog, Mazer mentioned the skiff is kinda like an MH-60R. As a miltech nerd, this interested me, and now I'm curious. I hypothesise that we might see skiffs be able to carry some S2 missiles or an S3 or two.

[quiet quiver]

I do suspect s3s will be limited to a dedicated bomber

S3H instastage on a craft that also has non-bombing capability would be so nasty

[supple sonnet]

Maybe.

[glad aurora]

The interceptor can carry 1 S2 apiece, and we know something can carry S3s

[misty storm]

Mazer also mentioned a scout craft for osp, so I’d assume the ans gets this skiff and the osp gets a fast scout ship with 360 radar too. Helps differentiate them

And both factions get bombers that can take s3s

But yeah mayb the skiff can get a gun or some s1s

But I don’t think it’s gonna be super well armed for balance reasons

[wet root]

I would guess the skiffs can carry PD weaponry, given their default posture is to defend their mothership

I'm curious what sort of anti-missile defenses bombers will have, since presumably they'll have some way of breaking through a basic defensive missile grid

[supple sonnet]

One thing we think the carrier update is goign to do as a knock on efect, EO missles should get more use, as cone radar makes CMD from strike crft a lot less usefull

[wet root]

I would guess ARAD will be the default for fighter skirmishes, unless they're smart enough to emscon automatically

[supple sonnet]

that would work as well, though we were more thinking for strikes on ships

[wet root]

Yep, I imagine EO will be good there, personally I'm intrigued by the mention of fighter-mounted illuminators

[glad aurora]

Jammers, presumably

I'm personally excited for SEAD strikes with ARAD max-warhead S1s

[quiet quiver]

Possibly also night fighters w/ 20mm

[wet root]

I'd assume something beyond that, because that makes ARAD AMMs extremely universal

And CMD AMMs

There has to be an incentive to actually use bombers

[glad aurora]

I doubt most AMMs will actually be able to hit maneuvering fighters

(and I also expect the incentive to use bombers is "vastly better, reusable cruise stage")

[wet root]

I mean, fighters have less speed and maneuver than missiles

[wet root]

(Also nice that if they don't find the target they just come back instead of wasting a missile)

[glad aurora]

Range issue, I mean

What's the range on a max maneuver S1 again?

I expect that the S1/S2/S3 that aircraft will pack will outrange those

[wet root]

3.5-5km range on AMMs usually

though idk if that's still accurate

[wary flame]

I wonder if you could conduct anti-fighter sweeps with a big Eact AMM container just slamming into the middle of the squadron

probably not, they fly spread out enough not to lose multiple planes and you don't really have the programming time

[glad aurora]

I figure that's what the FRM WIDE button is for

[wet root]

Yesss the frag container returns

[glad aurora]

I think my usual ANS SAM is going to be CMD KKM

6km range

[wary flame]

please, not the KKMs

I loathe those things

[wet root]

but yeah, going to have to see them in action to get enough info to speculate

[wary flame]

what if any random ship with a chaffbox was immune to container harassment from any angle

[glad aurora]

they're going to be coming back eventually!

also, now that planes can destroy said single chaffbox

who knows, softkill meta dead?

[wet root]

I still like them as an OSP HEKP alternative

[sharp crow]

I'm curious how the dedicated carriers look

mostly for "how big can I get my air wings" purposes

[glad aurora]

well, OSP's is the CLN, so

we've got one already

[wet root]

I expect a dedicate antifighter S2 backpack will give an option to still rely on softkill for missiles

Or just rpf

[glad aurora]

... come to think of it, it'll be very interesting to pair DEAD strikes off a CLN with a cruise container follow-up right behind them

[wet root]

Though again, not really enough info to speculate

[glad aurora]

fighters kill defenders, then containers hit

[sharp crow]

I mean mazer says he needs to make carrier hulls for ans and osp, so presumably it's not just the cln

[wary flame]

I do want to try "120 axfords with 20mm escort fighters from a friendly carrier"

[wet root]

Hoping we get The Box for OSP

[wary flame]

long-range flakwall

[glad aurora]

oh, lord. the flakwall.

can't wait to see the return of rcc rebound raines 🙂

[wary flame]

I swear the 120 axfords just can't stop winning

team can attach 20mm planes to them, they have more RPF targets, everything is great

[glad aurora]

120/beam axfords with a skiff hangar to scout... chat, is this anything

[wary flame]

having tried it, you don't want the beam

[wet root]

RPF with a friendly fighter escort might get awkward

[wary flame]

just unify buff modules with a ton of ammo elevators and shoot

[glad aurora]

😔 I like my 120/beam devices, they're fun

[wary flame]

you can go even in brawls with plasma lineships with the 120/450 split but ideally you just pepper them with enough fire that they just fold once they hit range

[wet root]

Beam and 120 rather fit the same role

[wary flame]

the 120/450 fleet has the interesting quality of being really really good at pushing through any kind of light to moderate opposition

a lot of other frontline fleets have a tendency to get stuck on stuff but because you have so much range and really good anti-light, you can kind of just A-move through the map killing everything the moment you aren't matched by enemy frontline or zoned by torp dumps

and the decisive overmatch each of your ships has over a single gun Ocello means you can completely decline a standoff duel there and just walk past them

whichever one they aren't bowtanking will rip them to bits once you close the range

[glad aurora]

Debatable

Especially with MN swarms

The question is whether you want the beam over the Mk68 versus MNs, which... /shrug

[wary flame]

the beam is very squishy and needs a completely different buff module suite, which means it's generally not a great beam

I've dabbled in it but I always come back to the "wall of lead" setup

[quiet quiver]

It also takes away a lot of your 450 firepower

Takes 42% if you're a broadside Ax, or 60% if you've got something else in back

[glad aurora]

Bah, 450.

[mint sinew]

And if you are going the other extreme Beam/S3 the 120mm is largely redundant in close

And you can't get away splitting your pd with a second Axford due to costs

It's probably not bad, just a lot of commitment to one range band for a relatively slow ship

[wary flame]

the big advantage of 450/120 is that you're basically happy doing anything, if you need to be artillery you can be artillery, if you need to brawl you can brawl, you can address any target

the beam sacrifices that and you have to start hugging people

120s aren't that bad on a single beamford, though

[glad aurora]

who knows, maybe the box is the escort carrier

[supple sonnet]

Escort Carriers our beloved 💖

[quiet quiver]

It's the Brick tho, not the Box

But my fingers are crossed too

It can even be the second "MN" hull :D

[supple sonnet]

Stupid question: How do you make a KKM in Neb?

Ash And Gold ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) I think my usual ANS SAM is going to be CMD KKM

[quiet quiver]

Not available ATM

They were tested briefly and then yanked b/c they were having issues

But will possibly return at a later date

[supple sonnet]

I think honestly, I'm gonna mostly go for 120 RPF nonsense against fighters.

[quiet quiver]

Probably solid ye

[supple sonnet]

It may also breathe new life into 120 grapeshot.

[rigid bison]

Patch Notes - 0.3.2.22:240726-0323

+PUBLIC TEST BRANCH+

Changes/Features:

• Removed berthing component. All components that require crew will spawn the amount of crew they need.
• Added turn rate to missile engine stats list.
• Added unique visual track icons for all contact types to replace the generic eye.

Bug Fixes:

• Fixed hybrid missile stage names showing as "stage.StageName" in the engine stats list.
• Fixed skirmish deployment group items being draggable in the list.
• Fixed selectable list items reverting to white when hovered even when selected, making it difficult to know if a click was registered.
• Fixed beam weapon component damage stats not appearing in the fleet editor.
• Fixed NRE in magazine ammo list items when changing quantities.
• Fixed fuel line fire not causing damage.

[wary flame]

Fuel Line Fire was bugged!

I knew it

I kept saying it wasn't doing anything other than causing fireworks

[tulip vault]

no more berthings???

huh

[wary flame]

slight durability reduction for all my small craft

but I can maybe try double aux steering and see if it's worth the +10pts

certainly it's a lot of health

[mint sinew]

Crew is getting properly benched for now. The best option for that turned out to be just ripping out the need for berthings

[tulip vault]

ah that makes sense

[mint sinew]

Mazer had a pretty good post explaining the logic that Tech reposted here #1164000873031151637 message

[rigid bison]

I wonder if the near-constant main thruster usage of fighters will make wake-pri the seeker of choice for SAMS and AAMs

[misty storm]

Maybe

It will be really funny if the different seeker types end up having similar use cases to real life

Also it would be funny if wake seekers could cräve the forbidden heat signature

https://youtu.be/WcwoGbAXJaQ?si=gDxaGRQR5iimXVGi

[rain mica]

was legitimately jumpscared by testbranchulous

[wet root]

Oooh

[quiet quiver]

Oh I hadn't seen the new UI, but that's cool

About what I expected but still cool

[rain mica]

you can copy and paste components and ship fits

[tulip vault]

oh dang that does look nice

[rain mica]

good to have the old colors back

[quiet quiver]

Spotted in the tourney
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1010180523777327134/1266547677856792687/image.png

[junior heron]

beautiful

[junior heron]

<@&942093958551588904> while it's not a huge balance change, there was the berthing removal on the test branch - would we like to play that, or stick to main branch?
Switching to test branch will mess up keybindings, so if we do you can backup keybindings.xml in the Nebulous game folder.

[wicked mirage]

I'm down for anything, if we have enough people we could do a test branch in house but if not stacking a pub on main will likely be what happens I imagine?

[runic torrent]

@quiet quiver I assume boat night in 20? I can open the channels if you'd like

[wicked mirage]

It would probably be best to open them now and see if people file in?

[oak shell]

I'm ready to go, if we stick to main branch

[wicked mirage]

omw

[topaz jolt]

Hii hi
Oh is it boat night already?

[wicked mirage]

Yep!

Come join 😄

If you wanna

[topaz jolt]

I'll join! My internet is a little silly though. So I might end up disconnecting every 30 minutes.

[wicked mirage]

ah

[runic torrent]

Omg I'm sorry

Yeah I should've opened the channels aaa

Not clear to me if tech is running them or not

Should've opened them? Not used to doing this on my phone <@&942093958551588904>

[junior heron]

yep

there they are

[quiet quiver]

Sorry my sleep cycle has been fucked and I just got up

Thank you for handling it Ashley

[glad aurora]

RL36cello

horrifying

[dark dawn]

On the aft mounts no less

[oak shell]

Tech taking no prisoners:

[junior heron]

yeah congratulations to techhead

very impressive beaming that liner from off screen

oh nvm that's a railgun

the sarcasm fails

[wet root]

Railguns are basically slow particle beams, right?

[quiet quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfP8LroryAw

I can't stop watching this clip

[deft current]

What speed should S2 go again to go through flak?

[quiet quiver]

I just realized... the Maurader and Moorline are pattern-groups

[rain mica]

Crap they are

[copper wasp]

Hey guys! This is Pyrope, my main got disabled for charging back Discord and I'm trying to resolve it with them. In the meantime this is me!

[quiet quiver]

Hey y’all I’m probably gonna miss today

[junior heron]

understood

[copper wasp]

You know that meme where there' s two buttons and the guy is sweating? I have two buttons right now.

• Sleep for DnD.
• Play Boat Night with friends.
  Although, perhaps there's a way I can smash both buttons... if you guys are still going in about 2 and a half hours I can play one before DnD, or I can play one and then sleep for DnD?

[oak shell]

I not be Nebulous today, as I have other boats to attend to

[copper wasp]

Good luck! I wanna play NSF again soon ^^

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> opening boat night channels o/

[junior heron]

Need Spor Feed?
(What's NSF?)

I will be around for boat night in a few minutes, gotta clear some dishes

[copper wasp]

Night Sky Falling! It's like Battlegroup's cool brother that has an indy rock band.

I'll be on in about 15 mins

I can play one game before my face hits my pillow and/or the desk

[ivory juniper]

ill be there when i can

[wary flame]

sadly no boat for me tonight, was at the archery range and have work tomorrow

[sharp crow]

I should play this game again some time

what's the meta like these days?

[wary flame]

BBs and MNs are very scary bricks that are hard to deal with

OSP cruise missiles are very easily softkilled, Vauxhalls are a little bit sad, otherwise most things are decent

[sharp crow]

oh no

is it solomon meta again

[glad aurora]

3x450BB with one pinard FFL each + dispersed S2/S2H bombers and lockvettes

vs.

10 MNs + MMTs and capshuttles + one Ocello and an AWACS MN

[wary flame]

you can get a lot more pinards if you want too

still, normal matches are quite varied

[sharp crow]

I hope so because that sounds awful

[wary flame]

winning with triple BB requires a lot of skill in keeping basically undefended cappers alive that most people don't have

but it's generally acknowledged that the BB and MN are both a bit overtuned because 450 doesn't really hurt BBs, plasma got a range nerf and MN is dirt cheap for what it does

[sharp crow]

torp dumping is the only way then?

[glad aurora]

from experience as the torp dumper: yes

assuming the BB doesn't throw

[wary flame]

plasma gang works fine if you can get a decisive enough fight at sub-7.2km

MN blobs will fight single BBs to a standstill but neither of them will really die

for decisive kills you need some form of super torp dump but mostly you just go around them

it's annoying and unsatisfying but it's also the only major balance issue left other than "osp cruise bad" so hopefully it will be addressed

[glad aurora]

my campaign to uncringe the vauxhall has fallen silent

[wary flame]

on the upside, CLN has variety that isn't "spam EO" and MN is a real ship now

[sharp crow]

doesn't sound like there's the most exciting matchups going around then

[mint sinew]

Outside of the sweatiest lobbies there is still plenty of variety floating around, it just skews towards heavier ships

[oak shell]

Keep your chin up, soldier, for ours is a noble cause...

[runic torrent]

next boat night on <t:1723316400:F> <t:1723316400:R>

[wicked mirage]

BY THE STARS AND THE POWERS THAT BE
I.
AM.
RETURNED!
(to my main account)

https://tenor.com/view/i-survived-micah-shera-and-the-princesses-of-power-i-lived-im-still-alive-gif-18725558

[sharp crow]

[ivory juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-whoo-hoo-yes-yay-gif-9848298218460771056

WOOHOO

[runic torrent]

Congraaats

[quiet quiver]

Patch Notes - 0.3.2.22:240806-0422

+PUBLIC TEST BRANCH+

Changes/Features:

• Spectators no longer count as ready players for the purpose of starting the force deployment countdown.
• Changed "Create Blueprint" context menu option to "Save Template".
• Added add/remove stack to magazine ammo spinners.
• Increased Fuel Line Fire repair work to 50 (was 25).
• Increased Cell Cookoff and Magazine Cookoff repair work to 30 (was 18).
• Split DC team work speed stat into four subtypes: general, restore, firefighting, and reactor overload.
• Combined Launcher Deluge System and Magazine Sprinkler into new Fire Suppression System, increased HP to 150 (was 75), added reinforced flag, and added 50% firefighting speed bonus.
• Increased HP of Redundant Reactor Failsafes to 150 (was 75), added reinforced flag, and added 30% reactor overload repair speed bonus.
• Increased Lock Target TTGI for all modular missiles seekers to 3 seconds (was 2).

Bug Fixes:

• Fixed Campaign Browser buttons not working.
• Fixed changing graphics options not in the settings menu not making the "Apply" button available.
• Fixed HEKP warhead stats using "Component" as the title of three different lines.
• Fixed "(Clone)" appearing in selected missile component settings name after installing.
• Fixed missile aim point offsets getting reset to 0 in some cases.
• Fixed passive seekers not correctly syncing their target to clients.
• Fixed RPF explosions not detecting mines sitting on rock surfaces.
• Fixed pasting a resizable VLS module onto a larger socket retaining the smaller socket's size.
• Fixed tooltip overflow being incorrect in fleet editor.
• Fixed tooltip taking one frame to size itself correctly.
• Fixed color matching for several UI elements.
• Fixed structure break icon not working on clients.
• Fixed right-click menu not being available in the fleet editor when entered from a lobby.
• Fixed legacy active seekers on mines having their beam direction altered incorrectly.

Yay for improvement to the DC modules. Will they be enough? IDK

[junior heron]

oooh

this is cool

oh wow

I might actually reconfigure some ships to take RRFS

[glad aurora]

RPF on surface traps fixed? Damn.

[wet root]

TTGI?

[junior heron]

missiles lock in the current target and stop switching shortly before impact
as a response to "what is TTGI" from the nebcord

[wet root]

Ah, knew about the mechanic, didn't know that's the term

[junior heron]

I did not, so that's cool to know

[wet root]

Wonder if that will help wake be slightly less abysmal

It's nice for all the radar seekers too, but wake really likes to switch thanks to its wide cone

[tulip vault]

Oh dang, those dc changes are cool

I wonder if the reactor things are a worthwhile include on thronglers… they don’t really have the space though

[mint sinew]

I had a similar thought process trying to work out what non-BB ships can justify them

Marauders spend a lot of time on fire, so a Fire Suppression is really appealing. However they are module poor due to the need for "more dakka"

[quiet quiver]

Yeah the module economy on them is still rough for anything besides BB, CH, and maybe CC

[wet root]

150 hp and reinforced is nontrivial tank as well, if you happen to have a spare slot

[quiet quiver]

Yeah a CH or CC do have module slots where a tanky reinforced module would be handy

Oh hey, NSLW mentioned that Repair Speed (Fire) also applies to the fire catastrophic events, so mag fire, cell cookoff, and fuel line fire

[tulip vault]

Oh neat

[wet root]

Does it help repair damage taken from enemy fire? :P

[quiet quiver]

If the enemy fire was ANS rails yes definitely otherwise not especially

[wary flame]

Really starting to think we need some form of OSP anticapital specialist weapon because every patch that solves an actual existing issue seems to make ANS capital ships cooler

[arctic magnet]

fracturing blocks with delayed fuse

[quiet quiver]

We have one, it's plas/100, it got nerfed

[arctic magnet]

aww

[quiet quiver]

Like it's still useful but it's not as good as it was

[mint sinew]

Plasma getting some range back would be a nice start. It still technically does the job, but you don't generally come out of the trade great

[wary flame]

Plasma should go back up to 8k, but I meant "in addition to that" because plas/100 kills everything, it just happens to be the only anticapital tool left

Can't give them HEKP but a different kind of missile warhead would be nice

[mint sinew]

Agreed. I'm just not sure what design space would promote interesting engagements.

Standoff plasma warheads are the classic suggestion, but that's just concentrating the plasma and container problems

[wary flame]

The rocket container is already your armour demolition service, so you can just increase the shred radius of those to make them an anti-armour tool

[mint sinew]

Thinking about ways to counter tanky units without taking away their durability. I wonder if some other disabling tool like ANS rails would be worth exploring

[wary flame]

really need something to actually kill these things or at least burn off restores, but there's not a lot of options in Neb's damage model

[glad aurora]

restore-homing missile

targets DC compartments exclusively

naturally, this will involve the OSP-exclusive MEAT seeker

[sharp crow]

450 hekp

[rigid bison]

Maybe hull stat buffs so a 450 bulker meets and exceeds ANS gunnery output

[mint sinew]

OSP guns are focused enough you could just buff the C65 directly if that's the goal

[glad aurora]

a 450 bulker already exceeds ANS gunnery output, by a lot

all you have to do is bring a CL within 9km of a 450 bulker to see that

[dark dawn]

Well, yes, but does it exceed it by enough to meaningfully hurt a heavy cruiser or a battleship?

[sharp crow]

we can go full circle and reduce battleship armour again

[olive blade]

basically just need DT changes or weapons that have a higher DT break

honestly I think warhead size should scale DT damage

so torps can do it

[wary flame]

allowing big warhead to break DT does mean that hybrids start eviscerating anything on OSP as well, you'd probably need a fancy super-HE warhead so you could restrict it to OSP only, but that would work

personally I want more standoff stuff but that's probably not going to be a thing

[olive blade]

thats fair

[quiet quiver]

I honestly don't think you can do standoff with how hardkill is set up

If you have a standoff range of 1 km you'll end up with torpcello with +1 km range, and you can't 20mm the weave or overpower the CR75 that far out

Unless you make it like rocket boxes where second stage is hardkillable

Or it's literally container only

[wary flame]

the sheer dominance of softkill lends itself to stuff that dodges hardkill in interesting ways, but it's hard to do anything in the current environment without rendering hardkill completely pointless

a carrier-bomber option that dumps big kinetic penetrators into capital ship turrets or engine blocks is the best idea I've got, really, but that depends on what the mysteries of carriers look like

[olive blade]

honestly I think there just need to be options against softkill

give or take

[junior heron]

@quiet quiver 👋

[quiet quiver]

👋

[junior heron]

would you like to party up after this game?

[quiet quiver]

Yeah, sounds fun

[rigid bison]

Patch Notes - 0.3.2.22:240809-1746
+PUBLIC TEST BRANCH+

Changes/Features:
Added individual and total RPM stats to weapon stat blocks in the fleet editor.
Decreased fuel line fire work required to 40 (was 50) and increased trigger time to 100 seconds (was 80).
Increased trigger time for cell cookoff and magazine cookoff to 80 seconds (was 60).

Bug Fixes:
Fixed NRE when clicking on a teammate's ship in the lobby fleet list display.
Fixed subtyped stat modifiers not being applied.

[junior heron]

oh that reminds me
<@&942093958551588904> would we like to try for Test Branch tomorrow, as there are some changes of note now?

[quiet quiver]

It's nothing major

[oak shell]

I think the most major thing is the berthing changes, which I think will mostly mess up fleet builds

[junior heron]

there's the damage control modules too, which are what prompted my asking
but yeah, it'd mess up currently built fleets and make them kind of incompatible with main branch

[wicked mirage]

<@&942093958551588904> The silent sound of thousands of cursed souls screaming in unison unto the cold void of space echoing across the cosmos with one question:

"Boat Night?"

[ivory juniper]

eh sure, gimme an hour

[noble zodiac]

noat bight

[summer shadow]

"You fool! You utter fool! You have summoned the astral dead!"

[wicked mirage]

[noble zodiac]

i have a Night Sky Falling game 😔

and am

very eepy

[oak shell]

I can play a match in a few minutes, maybe

[wicked mirage]

Yay!

@junior heron wakey wakey eggs and dead people

[junior heron]

dota

long game

[wicked mirage]

@wary flame whale noises

[wicked mirage]

All good take your time ^^

[wary flame]

sure, I haven't played in a while

[wicked mirage]

Yaaay

[wicked mirage]

Jesus christ how horrifying xD

Hang in there!!!

Wreck em!!!

[junior heron]

bad news

[wicked mirage]

@quiet quiver channel thing pls oh great and powerful tech lady

Wait, Tom made one it's k

[junior heron]

I have made a fake one

[wicked mirage]

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> opened the boat night channels

[wicked mirage]

Omw, just eating Corn Pops™️ real quick!