Nebulous: Fleet Command

[wet root]

Ooh boats

[noble zodiac]

boatulous

[wicked mirage]

Bus is leaving the station!

[wet root]

@glad aurora @quiet quiver hop on over to HA, voice is borked in Activity 1

[wet root]

@misty storm are you joining?

[misty storm]

no just chillin

[wet root]

Just an absolute mess on A

[dire harness]

so much beam :D

[toxic scaffold]

@wet root you can spin down the server

[noble zodiac]

^

[dire harness]

no more neb :(

[idle fox]

close the thread folks

no more neb

boats are over

[wicked mirage]

[glad aurora]

boats are BANNED

[noble zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[idle fox]

gamma is that the tsiolkovsky rocket equation in your bio

[noble zodiac]

IT IS :D

[idle fox]

haha nice

I guess not many people mention it lol

[supple sonnet]

Good games every one! thank you for having us!

[wicked mirage]

gg's!~

@wary flame What if Triple-Drive, Sidearm Ocello?

[glad aurora]

By the way, Pyrope, what did you use for your sidearms

I went with 100 on mine - did you use 120?

[formal tiger]

looks like Mk62s, yeah

[glad aurora]

The reason I ask is because I didn't think the three Ocello sidearm mounts could fit 2x120 turrets - if they can, that Changes Things

[supple sonnet]

Yeah the Mk62 can fit even in te small chin mount on a sprinter

[dire harness]

tbh with grape and accuracy 100mm might be better

[supple sonnet]

I think that like the mk62 proforms better as 120 has better damage and the MK62 has better sustained RoF then the T20

[wary flame]

I was thinking the same thing, grape is amazing, so I'm wondering if you couldn't get better fire rate with 5xT20, putting one on the roof too

OSP sidearms have a somewhat lower range of targets since ANS actually has armour but more 8km anti sprinter hot bubbles with a bullseye sounds welcome

[glad aurora]

I don't think an Ocello can fit 5xT20

When I was outfitting them, I don't recall the T20 being mountable in the 2x2s

[quiet quiver]

T20 def fits in a 2x2

IDK about depth tho

Oh wait I'm wrong, it's 3x3

But so are Mk62s

[glad aurora]

Mm. I suppose the choice is between three barrels of 100mm or six barrels of 120mm

[wicked mirage]

Yeah the Mk62 has a higher RoF and 120mm has slightly higher damage albeit the same armor pen ^^

[glad aurora]

Hm

[wicked mirage]

Naw just 2 Mk62's

[glad aurora]

Ah, so didn't also use the underside 3x3

Eh, I'll swap for 3x 2x120 AP/HE when I get home

[wary flame]

Downside to 120 is that you don't get grapeshot for executing people and removing corvettes and slightly longer range

surprised it beats the 100mm in fire rate, though, interesting

[supple sonnet]

13.33 to 15 RPM, sustained acording to the wiki, wich is not that much unbuffed but

[noble zodiac]

they also benefit marginally more from ammo elevators

i think

because they dont have a period of recycle time

[wet root]

Yeah, T20s spend a fair amount of time in recycle

[glad aurora]

Hm.

[noble zodiac]

er, no, i mean the time when the autoloader is firing isnt buffed by ammo elevators

that time is called "recycle time" in game stats V:

[wet root]

Yeah

T20s spend a large amount of time in that time

Unlile e.g. 450s which mostly are in reload time

[grand pine]

so is it better to stuff your ships wit rapid cycle cradles?

[wet root]

(And 120s which don't use recycle at all)

[wet root]

Depends on the gun, ANS guns want almost entirely Ammo Elevators, some OSP guns get value out of RCCs

[wary flame]

The optimal fire rate buff module distribution for most OSP ballistic casemate ships is 3 AE, 2 RCC

mostly that's 450 and 250 LN

but there's an element of choice there because some people are OK with losing sustained firepower for faster bursts so they can go hide again

[glad aurora]

120 version (with some minor DC changes - swapped a Reinforced for a Large, swapped the GPC for a Rapid)

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'NG 2 Wheel' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

Burn the Woods : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun Missile EWar PD Sensor]
Salt the Earth : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun Missile EWar PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
   SGT-305 Pike : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR)/CMD - HE SHAPED [12pts]

[glad aurora]

I'm fairly sure this provides a "no, fuck you" bubble for anything smaller than an Axford

[wicked mirage]

Ah, naw, that mount can't shoot forward unfortunately.

[wicked mirage]

True, I like the constant fire tho.

[glad aurora]

On one hand yes, on the other, I like it for corvettes who think they're being sneaky

If it's sliding down off of my bow, we hit them with a little bit of trolling

[dire harness]

the burst is nice but for longer fights consistent fire might be nice 😊

[wary flame]

Need to experiment and see if I can get 5x T20, evidently

I do like the idea of bullseye-guided grapeshot and there's no bulker equivalent that you'll be in lengthy brawls with but can routinely pen with 100mm or 120, so I think it might be neater, but it's almost certainly just personal taste

T20s also cheaper, but not by a large margin

[mint sinew]

100mm ammo is cheaper, so that margin is a bit wider too

And you do get HEHC to really lay on the hurt if you brought plasma, though you are probably winning either way there

[glad aurora]

Yeah, the 100 to 120 change did make me definitely have to change points

[wicked mirage]

Ah, yeah it can work for that.

[eager cedar]

is a size 3 missile even worth putting on a raines? you only get 6

[oak shell]

You can fit 20 size 3 missiles on one Raines

[eager cedar]

or 96 size 2

[wicked mirage]

Yeah! Also a Raines with some S3's can be really good as a goalie vs Shuttles that come to try and backcap.

[wet root]

Btw, @whoever had the BB masqueraded as one of the Oak CAs today, I recommend putting the mk68 on the ventral and the beam on the fore dorsal, having the mk68 right beside the mk66 gives the game away

[oak shell]

Ah! That's helpful, I was banking on people not watching the shell spread too closely but evidently that's not effective

[eager cedar]

Are the steerable missiles the hybrids

or can you do it with any

[oak shell]

I don't know what you mean by steerable

[eager cedar]

being able to paint a path for it to follow

[oak shell]

Ah, waypoints

[glad aurora]

that's the difference between Cruise and Direct guidance

module for any missile

[eager cedar]

ah

[oak shell]

That's enabled in the guidance computer, yeah

[eager cedar]

I still probably want hybrids though for range

[wet root]

In that game it didn't matter since a container went on an Adventure and scouted you, but I definitely do watch the muzzle flashes to check hull type

Good for distinguishing e.g. 250 Axfords from Vauxes, and Vauxes from gunfrigs

[eager cedar]

I remember the other day one of my shuttles got turbofucked by a cargo container missile from across the map at our nearest cap point lol

like it was probably sent as soon as they got control

[wet root]

Cruise containers go where they want to, you can easily give them 60k range if you want

[eager cedar]

hybrids are faster though right

cause you can make a speedy boi first stage

[wet root]

I'm not sure if S3H actually cruise faster than containers nowadays

[oak shell]

Generally you optimize the cruise stage for range and the sprint stage for speed

You can make a fast cruise stage but then you won't be able to hit all the way across the map with it

[eager cedar]

ah the cruise stage is only 100-200m/s

not that big of a difference

compared to the range you get

[oak shell]

Some folks make a high maneuverability close range hybrid called an "instastage" for knife fighting

[wet root]

Direct S3H want more speed but yeah still not super fast

[eager cedar]

seems like the optimal cruise is 123m/s 25.815m

[wet root]

I think I run mine at about 20k range, it's pretty rare to need more

And investing some into speed makes strikes a lot easier to plan and a bit harder to shoot down

[eager cedar]

True

how much boom do you usally pack in the sprinter

[glad aurora]

your sprint stage should always trigger outside 3k

otherwise, I think I keep my torp and hybrid warheads at 3600ish

[wet root]

ACT has 2k range

[wet root]

I think 5 blocks of warhead is my default? But it varies a lot

[supple sonnet]

Yeah part of making a good missle is knowing what your targets are, and how they determin your needs. an anti scout missle is vary difeirnt from a anti capital in a lot of ways,

[toxic scaffold]

But for cruise fleets we can recomend Grandars old Yub fleet, we are middelingly compatent at missle desigen but do enjoy playing them now and then and this si the fleet we use for cruise missle play

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'S2h yub' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

Wonderbread Guy but for Yubnub : 'Raines' class Frigate [Missile Gun]
          Stolen Yubnub Valour : 'Raines' class Frigate [Missile Gun]
            Gatekeeping Yubnub : 'Raines' class Frigate [Missile PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
                             SGM-100 Dummy : DIRECT - NONE - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-H-216 Stairs With not Enough Head Room : CRUISE - ACT(RADAR)/PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [11pts]

[olive blade]

the missiles can be put up a warhead point or otherwise tweaked now, I prefer using about 50% up one tick 50% higher manuv

due to s2h changes since I made it

[eager cedar]

hm I canøt seem to be able to create waypoints for these cruise missiles

oh nevermind just doesn't show up when you target an enemy

Hm I'm actually having pretty good results with the 5 point jammer on my missile when it comes to messing with AMM's

[olive blade]

yeah thats what its for

[idle fox]

first battle gone... well?

the ALX Bridge Rectifier receives a tender boop from an enemy light cruiser as the Slow Blow gets absolutely hammered by 5 ships at once (enemy axford offscreen left not pictured)

the enemy just marched their entire force down to one of the neutral points and my unsuspecting friendly cruisers tragically did nothing and died while I was on the other side of the map capping

[idle fox]

second battle went a lot better, killed two bulkers at the beginning with my frigate buddies then perpetrated a Forever War against an ocello and three monitors while they fucked off to cap points

the AI seems super point greedy, thanks to that and judicious use of a small rock I was able to consistently outmanoeuvre them even with my super slow axfords

also this time the Bridge Rectifier was completely unscathed which is cool

[wary flame]

the bots basically just beeline from one point to the other with 100% of their fleet regardless of what players do

same for friendly AI

if you use Set Heading to keep your bow pointed at the people shooting at you and stay just within lock range (around 9km) you will take considerably less damage

usually worth not using the rear turret for that

[idle fox]

yeah that's what I did

except at like 2km away for the ocello/monitor group because I was already at the point and rock strats were going well

I do feel like something with a bit more going on than "two big slow ships with just guns on" would be more engaging to play

and I want to fire shipping containers at people

[oak shell]

Bridge Rectifier is an amazing ship name

[idle fox]

thank you :)

[wet root]

Somehow I just realized that the validator changes mean CMD[CMD] and ACT[ACT] are actually somewhat-reasonable seeker combos now

[supple sonnet]

what are the new validator changes?

[wet root]

If the validator is on reject, the missile will fly straight while jammed

[wet root]

I definitely recommend trying more fleets, the starters are good and we've also got a bunch of fleets in https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1B4J0AwhhIR8vontwDDUYq3_XRoX0VbyU?usp=sharing from the last time we did a fleet swap night

TF Oak is the traditional recommendation for new players because it's pretty easy to fly and has a fairly robust game plan - unlike a lot of fleets, it's capable of brawling at 3km or 11km, and Axfords are tough enough that mispositioning or messing up the bowtank won't just cause you to lose your fleet

But it's also not exactly an exciting fleet

[glad aurora]

TF Oak also dies very hard to torpedoes these days, so I heavily recommend looking up "Oak Softkill" in this channel

[idle fox]

did a third game to try out something more interesting (wulfenite squadron), missed all of my containers except the one that got embezzled from the magazines mid-battle, ocello heavily wounded a vauxhall (seen here being shot by the friendly AI for like a solid 10 minutes after it was combat ineffective), and won in the end thanks to capping four points with sneaky shuttle shenanigans

what I have learned: shuttles are fun, the AI is dumb as rocks

[wet root]

Unfortunately yeah, have to hop into multiplayer to potentially fight smart opponents

[glad aurora]

At this point, yeah, I really do advise you start pubbing

[wet root]

Caps win games is an important lesson to learn though lol

[glad aurora]

You're not going to learn good strategic-level gameplay otherwise

[idle fox]

I feel like none of the starter fleets are speaking to me and I want to make my own, but that's a complex and daunting endeavour

I am also very afraid of pvp against randos in this sort of game tbh

[wet root]

Do it! Or look through the fleet swap fleets for inspiration

[wet root]

You could always shoot out a ping to the Neb role here and get a stack on your side, coordination is OP

I would offer, but alas, I have workulous

[idle fox]

I think time to work on a fleet then

I will grab all the fleet swap ones ig

[wary flame]

I should retool Oak Softkill with a 4TC spyglass

no reason not to, it can shore bombard well

or make a second one with strongside PD and three guns per ship

[idle fox]

looking through the fleet swap fleets has taught me the wrong lessons

namely that you can put 8 cargo container launchers on a bulker

[glad aurora]

oh no

[idle fox]

I think I will continue to work on this tomorrow or the day after

currently got

• container spam bulker
• ocello
• early warning tug
• two cheap shuttles

the important part is there though, they all have names

[glad aurora]

my genius... sometimes, it frightens me

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'A little WAAAAGHcky' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

   DA RED WUN : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Missile PD EWar]
da purple wun : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [PD Ewar Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
   SGT-305 Pike : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR)/CMD - HE SHAPED [12pts]

[idle fox]

[glad aurora]

i don't think neb's ready for the sight of being charged at 50 m/s by DA RED WUN as it fires 16 torpedoes in whatever direction so pleases it

[idle fox]

I would not be ready for that

people underestimate the value of psychological warfare in pvp video games

[olive blade]

100000dc crewmembers all replacing the sundrive with a new one 10x a second

[dire harness]

that’s a lot of DCX…

[glad aurora]

it is a necessary evil when you need to survive long enough to close inside ~3.2k

that said, my first pubulous game was running into an ANS deathstack of 16 blankets, so you can imagine how that went

[dire harness]

compounding cost though :0

[glad aurora]

the module says I can fit a DCX, so I puts the DCX.

this is clearly how bulker design works. :^)

[idle fox]

I respect this

[supple sonnet]

we see your absolutely perfect dog 😌

LT Hazel ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Fleet 'A little WAAAAGHcky' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

   DA RED WUN : 'B… 📎

(also, we might recommend a reinforced thruster instead of an extra ae, but that's just us)

[glad aurora]

I gave my dog extra treats (restores and an illum)

it's good for their health

[idle fox]

dog?

[supple sonnet]

dog! an absolutely perfect one

[idle fox]

what does dog mean in this context

[supple sonnet]

a cargo feeder with a bloodhound and a shitton of track correlators is an absolutely perfect dog

[idle fox]

ah I see

[glad aurora]

how did this one become purple? we may never know

[idle fox]

what do track correlators do

[supple sonnet]

correlate tracks

[idle fox]

I think there is an episode where they swap colours

[supple sonnet]

(discord user ash and gold inconspicuously kicking an empty purple paint bucket behind him)

Ash And Gold ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) how did this one become purple? we may never know

[noble zodiac]

the sniffer

[supple sonnet]

nah, those are sprinters with pinards on the nose

[idle fox]

I went and found it, tragically they do not, they just lose their colours and custard gets pushed into a tin of pink paint

there is not a purple dog in roobarb and custard

[supple sonnet]

you need to carry more torp on that ship as your going to run dry realy fast at 42 total torps

Ash And Gold ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) i don't think neb's ready for the sight of being charged at 50 m/s by DA RED WUN as it fires 16 to…

[glad aurora]

understandable

if I cut a DCX I might be able to do it

[supple sonnet]

Nah you need that for a Isakai truck as your goign to be taking a lot of fire

Or well you can cut one of them

Maybe replace one of the oters with a storage if you feeing spicay

[glad aurora]

yeah, compounding costs were actually fucking me here and I didn't realize it

72 torps enough?

[supple sonnet]

But like anything like a good match you can easly go though ike 100 torps

[glad aurora]

Hm.

I can get up to 84 comfortably, which is probably enough

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'A little WAAAAGHcky' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

   DA RED WUN : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Missile PD Sensor]
da purple wun : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [PD Gun Ewar Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
   SGT-305 Pike : DIRECT - SAH(RADAR)/CMD - HE SHAPED [12pts]

[glad aurora]

(I also gave the dog a gun so it doesn't get bullied by sprinters anymore)

[junior heron]

reduce positional and velocity error on radar tracks, meaning you can get a fireable track off of bloodhound (OSP spinal radar cone)

[supple sonnet]

I would put some secondary guns on the red one and just so you can exacute things wiht out using your torps wich will cut down on the number of salvos you need to put into a capital

[glad aurora]

Could probably cut two MLS on one side for 250 casemates, but the mag space gets all the more iffy that way

[wet root]

How much does the third DCX even cost? 240 points?

[glad aurora]

Yep

[supple sonnet]

Nahg cut the grazers on the roof and put some C53's on there

Ash And Gold ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Could probably cut two MLS on one side for 250 casemates, but the mag space gets all the more iffy t…

[glad aurora]

Don't I just die to instastage when closing to torp range, then?

[supple sonnet]

Never happend to us when we palyed our isakai truck and that has less then half the PD yours dose.now dieing in a bad ambush agesnt a beem capita that happs often

[glad aurora]

real.

[supple sonnet]

if you can pop out within torp range (should be 5km~, wiht 2.5-3 g and cork) and not be right in the Beems sites whie you launch the first salvo wich should hopefuy knock out a beem turet or two givig you a safe age to dace into. Also less grazers meen more AE's and faster fallow up salvos

[glad aurora]

Yep, swapping the roof grazer for a C53 with some HE was enough for another AE instead of a reactor

(and a Pavise on the dog)

[wet root]

Do be aware that roof 250s are pretty pathetic nowadays, don't expect them to win you any fights in which you're not finishing off an entirely-red ship

[supple sonnet]

Yerah overall sounds preaty decent, more PD then we would use but ike PD on bulkers is vary much a personal taste thing

[wet root]

(Or like random Sprinters/Raines)

[supple sonnet]

They do help with stray FF and FFL's you don't want to waste torps on but yeah mostay they are good for exacutions

Lark (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Do be aware that roof 250s are pretty pathetic nowadays, don't expect them to win you any fights in …

Damit ninja's

ninja'ed

[glad aurora]

Yeah, it's a single roof 250, I'm not doing anything with it but hitting guys with HE I've redded out

[wet root]

Yep, definitely good to have for that

Especially since if you pos fire a torp hit you can get through armor

[supple sonnet]

sending the dog to battle

LT Hazel ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) Fleet 'A little WAAAAGHcky' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

   DA RED WUN : 'B… 📎

truly these are the dogs of war 😔

[idle fox]

the dogs of waaaagh

[noble zodiac]

cry havoc, and unleash the dogs of war!
[makes a fleet with 10 bloodhound MNs]

[wet root]

Now I'm wondering how to make that work

CMD S2s?

[noble zodiac]

probably

[supple sonnet]

CMD and some sort of anti wiggle device but yeah

[wet root]

CMD[CMD]

(CMD/WAKE or CMD/SAH is probably more sensible. But also more vulnerable to softkill and less silly)

I wonder how expensive a Bloodhound/T30/S2 MN runs you, basically a chonky MMT

[supple sonnet]

Most of that coust is going to be the missles TBH

[wet root]

It would be nice compared to MMTs in that it could carry more missiles and survive strikes a lot better

20%DR bringing 40DT up to 50 lets a lot of modules survive a missile that wouldn't in a Tug

[idle fox]

what's an MMT

[wet root]

Drives, Reactors, RCICs, Mags, DCX

[wet root]

Multi-mission Tug

[mint sinew]

A common tug build with a C30, S2 missiles, a jammer and a bulwark huntress

[wet root]

Usually a Tug with a gun, S2s, and a jammer, goes around hunting small stuff and fighting caps

Huh, according to the wiki Citadel Mags are weightless. Wonder if that's a wiki bug or a Neb one.

[wicked mirage]

@wary flame I made a thing inspired by you ^^

[lime jungle]

'ANS Landmine' is a 'Raines' class Frigate that costs 535 points.

[wicked mirage]

Faster and cheaper than most Beam DD's, and able to kill stuff just as quick! Just, not reuseable lol.

Only 4.5km range tho. People can load in different payloads to suit their fancy / range requirements.

[noble zodiac]

0/10 didnt name it the "M-30 Mattock" smh

but also thats p neat

the mine cube

[supple sonnet]

dose 4.5 km range give you enough cork to ignore a pavise?

[wicked mirage]

I think so?

[wicked mirage]

Also made this thing

[lime jungle]

'Exorcist' is a 'Sprinter' class Corvette that costs 420 points.

[dire harness]

prbly depends on angle and ship

shuttle 20mm is scary

[glad aurora]

Truth be told, I wasn't really sure how to optimize torpedoes in that way against Defenders - I just went for a decent 12pts with good seekers and ran the numbers based on that.

Maybe I should update to 5k range instead of ~3.2 w/cork, see whether that changes anything in how useful they are...

[dire harness]

what are you trying to fight?

[glad aurora]

"ANS ships with at least two defenders," broadly

this is what I'm working with at the moment

[lime jungle]

SGT-305 Pike is a size 3 missile that costs 12 points.

[dire harness]

Why the SAH primary? if you’re launching close to enemy ships cmd might be nice so they don’t need to search

unless you’re worried about comms jamming

which is scary :0

[glad aurora]

that is exactly what I'm dealing with, yes

SAH primary means they go right through disco ball axfords

(and lately everyone and their mother's been going for disco balls on everything larger than a frigate)

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 VS ANS you want a highish G, and not to big of a warhead as reinforced compent will just eat your damage, OSP throw waight lets you bring more missle wiht smaller warhead so every ray goign out into the void, or eaten by a 1HP RMAG matter far less

[glad aurora]

Makes sense - I think 3600 is the good one for that, yeah?

Or do you go even smaller for OSP S3s?

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 three ticks is about the sweet spot,

This is the desigen the one we use, and like it's about the same price as yours and like firing into a capital with escorts it still gets better then 50% hits

[lime jungle]

SGT-358 Gom Jabber is a size 3 missile that costs 12 points.

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 And you can see form the tiem it takes to reach max speed it's got a far higher agility then yours as well

[glad aurora]

Yeah, I see - that's interesting

Can you really dump that much speed?

I sacrificed agility + range for another 75 m/s over the Gom Jabbars

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 Agility is far more inportent for dodging defenders then speed

[glad aurora]

Duly noted.

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 Though Misc's version sawp out the WAKE seaker for HOJ or ARAD

[glad aurora]

Hm

How many Gs to aim for again?

(I assume under Turn Rate)

[dire harness]

3.5 should be good for cork

[glad aurora]

3.5 kills both range and points efficiency, hm

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 2.5-3 g or so

[glad aurora]

this seems like it works

[lime jungle]

SGT-305 Pike is a size 3 missile that costs 12 points.

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 Yeah that math's out

[glad aurora]

alright, torpcellos and isekai truck updated

hopefully another 1.5kish of breathing room should let me get off strikes more reliably

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 Also trick that we find helps a lot is, going hold fire and then puting in the fire order around a rock then gogin wepions free once you get a clear fiering angle

🥓 it shaves enough time off to get the drop on the Autumn from within beem range

[glad aurora]

Duly noted.

I wonder - where does one deploy for maximal isekai trucking on Pillars

I feel like the classic beam BB position of "under A rock" is a good idea?

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 I would say they spawning in as team two getting under A rock with out geting spoted by an A cap is hard but skirting around the outside should be more doable, but like agesnt anythign with out a beem you can just run it down wich beem BB's can't do

[glad aurora]

this was not meant for human eyes, I don't think

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 A decent pant scheam

[glad aurora]

(they brought a "plasma/100" fleet consisting solely of this, two t30/casemate plasma MNs, and t20 shuttles)

(they then proceeded to try to duel a battleship and four axfords)

then again, I think that team was just a normal ANS pub at this point - solomon, six axfords

[toxic scaffold]

And foks wonder about why plas/100 or trippe threat bukers make up most of random OSP feets

[glad aurora]

On the bright side, I got to do 26k damage with only half of my torpedo load expended, so that was a nice look into the power of the isekai truck

[toxic scaffold]

🥓 Yeah they are reay fun and can just clean up when given half a chance, asuming they dont get there atenna shot off mid savo every savo

[wary flame]

I keep saying that pub Ocellos catch this terrible wasting disease that atrophies the turrets

[glad aurora]

IT'S TIME

[noble zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814742973463134259/975579550119501875/unknown.png?ex=65e52c42&is=65d2b742&hm=c4776e4187776ae319d97a29fc8e7ce597d01e9e778e4393b4d5c6f5a68ace45&

[wary flame]

I haven't worked out the best ANS torp since I'm not sure you can reliably corkscrew through 20mm any more, at least not against small targets. My successes against tugboats and shuttles are mostly the torpedo slipping out of PD fire arc right before hitting.

[dire harness]

for shuttle and tugs min-angle and hot launch to clear arcs is best now

or tot with S1s or something

[wary flame]

when you're launching 16 of them you probably just want enough agility to eliminate losses outside the final straightening out phase, since you can batter through with sheer mass

[dire harness]

ya, 20mm can rly clean up in the last stretch

[wary flame]

My torp corvs are mostly just shooting S3H now

[dire harness]

mine are more torp than ever

but now they have beam friends

to bully shuttles and pretty much everything else

[dire harness]

how consistent is the fastboot for you?

is that ever a problem

[wary flame]

It's sometimes a bit irksome when an important one gets fast booted but it's generally behaved, and if I didn't have it I'm pretty sure I'd lose a lot more torpcorv vs pavise gun shuttle fights

I took it off the arad anti-jammer S3H because I only have the one and I really need it to work, but it's good for letting me fire the three act/[cmd] almost as fast as the real torpedoes

[glad aurora]

yeah, ANS torps aren't worth it when you have access to s3h these days

very sad

on OSP: even high-agility torps are not making it through the defender gauntlet from the Ocellos, which is sad

the isekai truck can do insane damage because it has 4x (or 2x, if both Ocellos launch at once) the salvo weight, but the Ocellos are somewhat underwhelming against the typical pub ANS PD of 20 defenders

[wary flame]

I still have 2-3 per boat because they ignore AMMs and hit harder than S3H do, a full 6 torpedo corv does better numbers against things other than pavises, but you need to mix it up

[wary flame]

This is cute, it's cheaper than the equivalent beam. I might be tempted to swap to Parallax and free up a mount for a defender, since unlike the beam this doesn't outrange your usual torptug, but that would take some roll order wrangling.

[wary flame]

two blues successfully carried against four golds

Pyrope and I mostly spent that game capping and ganging up on the enemy mass driver fleet, the blues did a great job not dying to the 9k deathball

[wicked mirage]

Yeah that was awesome!

This is the fleet I was playing btw!

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Ruby {PLD} (CH+BmDD)' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

  Ruby, Paladin : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
Silver Blessing : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [EWar Beam PD]
         Little : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
      SGM-102 Starshard : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
            SGM-106 Dia : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [6pts]
SGM-123 Star Ruby Thorn : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]

[wicked mirage]

Dia's are long range Anti-Mine AMM's that can be flex into countering S2's or softening up S3's.

[lime jungle]

SGM-106 Dia is a size 1 missile that costs 6 points.

[wicked mirage]

Just set em to manual and press Z on a mine and bye bye mine.

1 AMM for 1 Mine, trades even in points against Mattocks, and trades up in points against Augers. It can be a bit expensive, but quickly clearing mines from safety is helpful.

[wicked mirage]

Yeah we had some great allies and you rocked the caps!

[wary flame]

much as I like the minesweeper AMM idea, go to sleep it's 5am

[idle fox]

are mines any good? what's the mine play

[vestal orchid]

oh that's sick

[idle fox]

when I was looking at shuttles I was tempted to put some on just to leave as a present after capping an empty point but I assumed it wouldn't be enough to do much

[tulip vault]

Misc is the mine maestro but generally what you want to do is lay a few sprint mines so they lie flat against a rock

[wary flame]

shuttles generally cannot carry enough mines to be at all efficient, since they can only take 4 and at that point the launcher costs almost as much as the mines do

you want either a tug for laying surface traps around blind corners on rocks or a monitor dropping infinity cheap mines on a point to delay people

[idle fox]

I'm not sure I will ever be able to fathom this game lol

[lime jungle]

'Skeletal Mine Tug' is a 'Tugboat' class Clipper that costs 324 points.

[wary flame]

mines device

with leaflet

[idle fox]

I remember this diagram lol

misc if I have a container bulker, an early warning tug, and two cheap shuttles, what should I put on an ocello to round things out

[wary flame]

450 turrets, 4 ammo elevators, a bullseye and the interruptor comms jammer ball on one of the stern mounts

highly important not dying technology

also chaff, like 15-20 chaff

container bulker is not the perfectly optimised damage machine it used to be back when I was stomping lobbies with three of them, you may want 2-4 of the 12-rocket containers for dunking things with mediocre PD at medium range

[idle fox]

what would you stick in the rest

or are you saying put guns on the other mounts instead

I am determined to fire containers at people

[wary flame]

typically you put guns on one side and container launchers on the backl filled with a mix of cheap finishers and utility

mine containers, decoy containers, 5pt cheap bombs with CMD seekers

containers are not the ideal primary offensive option these days, you used to be able to bonk people far better but alas

[idle fox]

it does make more sense for it to have guns if it's gonna be hanging out with the ocello

[wary flame]

I am the retired old container master, I used to be probably the best in the world at the hyperspecific skill of hitting people with boxes but that was a long time ago

these days they're a lot of fun but you need to really lean into the utility component

[idle fox]

teach me your ways, hermit of cargo mountain

[wary flame]

for bulkers, you just make huge warhead CMD boxes and slap anyone you want to finish off with two of them

they won't break any PD screens but they cost zero money and the container stack launcher has good HP

so it's decent ablative armour anyway

for the real container liner you need quite a lot of complicated seeker nonsense

which I will probably make a guide on at some point

[idle fox]

sending decoys around seems fun

[tulip vault]

Decoy containers are fun yeah

Ive used backpack decoys to good effect… maybe three times?

But they’re excellent for eating missiles

[wary flame]

wondering how big an AMM warhead I'd need to clear something like this around a corner with cruise

probably an infeasibly large size

[tulip vault]

Ive been meaning to try that

Mines do only have 40 health so I can’t imagine it’s that much

[wary flame]

two auroras, two pavises in the side mounts, maybe a blanket if you have a mount left

need to make a standard ocello build

[idle fox]

having "here's a baseline for what this hull usually roughly looks like" or "here's as mundane a rendition of this hull as possible" would definitely be helpful rather than having to make them from scratch

[tulip vault]

I think the starter fleet ocellos are pretty reasonable for the most part

Though I can’t recall if they have an interruptor jammer

[wicked mirage]

Unless you wanna use something of a 60+ point funni bomb you're gonna have to either take em out one at a time or cross your fingers for a good roll with Blast Frag. I have a few options here that I've pieced together though!

[lime jungle]

SGM-1-6 Diaga is a size 1 missile that costs 6 points.

[lime jungle]

SGM-215 Charged Aura Spike is a size 2 missile that costs 7 points.

[wary flame]

Ah, those two are cruise, excellent

I wondered if someone had done that yet

[wicked mirage]

The first is an EL Frag Cruise S1 with 8km range that can go around corners and take out mines. The second is a Blast Frag S2 with a big radius

[wary flame]

trap disarming ten foot poles for capital ships might be a decent idea

[glad aurora]

yes*

🙂

[wary flame]

The S2 seems like what I was imagining, since it can go in the killjoy launcher

[tulip vault]

Does this have max agi on it?

[glad aurora]

Y'all don't use S3 killjoys?

[wicked mirage]

Naw, it's mostly range. Only got 2.2G

[tulip vault]

Mm, fair

[glad aurora]

I suppose I'm biased, since I only have room for one type of missile on my axford+ ships, and that's a S3 launcher

[wicked mirage]

Max Warhead 😄

[tulip vault]

I think Im partial to max agi and very short range to get round corners, but Ive yet to actually go into a fight with them

[wicked mirage]

Here, I updated the guidance a bit on these to be typed as defensive and be able to engage incoming long range S2's when set to Doctrine. Just a flex use in case there's no mines, 6 points for ACT guidance is really meh but it's better than dying lol.

[lime jungle]

SGM-1-6 Diaga is a size 1 missile that costs 6 points.

[tulip vault]

Neat

I suppose 6 points is decent value against mines

[wicked mirage]

Yeah, it trades even vs Mattocks and trades up vs Augers ^^

The only thing with better value Cruise AMM wise as far as I'm aware would be regular Blast Frag and being very lucky with one's rolls lol.

Which is what the S2 I posted represents

[junior heron]

what was the thresholds for mine HP you mentioned before pyrope?
they've got what, 40 hp and 5? 3? thickness?

[wicked mirage]

40hp and I'll get back to you on the Thiccness but I wanna say 2cm.

[wet root]

Hmmmm maybe I should put some SAH mine clearing AMMs on my Axford

They can't chaff the Floodlight

Right now it relies on a pair of 120s which I feel like will take a while to clear a minefield

Btw, curious about peoples' thoughts on this:

My Axford has two 120s, since the other C2 side mounts are used for an Interruptor and chaff box

I'm considering having a strong side with both 120s

[glad aurora]

on my Axfords, I skip the back turret for an Interruptor - generally works better for bowtanking and lets you keep another 120

[wet root]

Currently it's one on each side, curious if anyone has tried strong side/weak side Axford

[wet root]

Back mount is S3/S3H box

Not looking to change the loadout though

[mint sinew]

I use S4s, containers are great

Won't fit on your Axford either though

[wet root]

(Tragically)

[glad aurora]

Ah, I see - yeah, if you keep a VLS on the back, that makes sense

hm.

I think with how integral bowtanking is, I'm not super enthused about a strong-side design

[wet root]

Note that strong side can still point fully forward

I'm thinking the benefit is if I've got a rock on the weak flank, it gives more firepower against stuff that tries to push around

The cost is slower response time to light ships on the weak hemisphere since I have to roll

[glad aurora]

Hm. Interesting thought.

[wet root]

The missile backpack helps with this, but idk, still wary

[dire harness]

oh cool! never used those on cap corvs before

[bitter furnace]

I'm a little late but yeah as Misc mentioned they're very dumb in the objective gamemodes. If you play against them on Annihilation mode, they're much smarter - still really not great, but playable at least

they have some programmed behaviours like holding range and retreating behind rocks and such that y'know don't always work well, but they don't even try on Control mode. The presence of an objective location overrides everything and makes them beeline which is a real ???

[quiet quiver]

See I played my AI skirmish on station capture

And was 2v2, me and an AI vs 2 AI

Worked great

[bitter furnace]

I haven't checked Station Capture actually

maybe it works just as well as Annihilation, not sure

Control and Tug of War are definitely braindead though

[quiet quiver]

Well I think it's more that "head for the station in the middle" causes less issues than multiple points

[dire harness]

Station capture AI is prbly the best imo. One of the only game modes where the “set formation and flank speed” is both somewhat expected and still rather interesting to play <3

at least for smaller player counts

5v5 AI is painful to see

[wicked mirage]

Mines have a Wall Thiccness of 2cm.

[quiet quiver]

IIRC every missile/etc has a thickness of 0.5cm, 2.0cm, or 2.5cm, so AMMs don't really have any issue penning

[dire harness]

mines have about as much HP as a S2 which is silly :P

[wary flame]

they're surprisingly sticky for how little HP they have, it's great

I need to figure out the spread on my usual minelaying patterns so I can make some missiles that kill, say, 7-8/10 for a reasonable price

the defenders can usually get about one mine each

[wicked mirage]

Just played this fleet in a game, did over 17k damage with just rails to a Solomon, an Axford, a DD, and assorted Sprinters. The BB actually died eventually, and someone said it was the first BB they ever seen that died to pure Rail and MD fire xD

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Snipins a good job' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

        Jelly : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Rail PD]
Peanut Butter : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Rail PD]
      Nutella : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Rail PD]

[idle fox]

ooh railguns

[wicked mirage]

We lost on caps, but it was about sending a message lol

Fuel Line Fire did the BB in I think.

And then it exploded.

[idle fox]

nice work

[wicked mirage]

Thanks ^^

I had to put an Ereg in one of the Drive slots to maximize fire rate because 2 Small Eregs fall off way harder than 1 Big Ereg.

[noble zodiac]

oh gods

[wary flame]

are you railgunning people at 6am again

[wicked mirage]

These Ocellos have a recharge time of 9.84 seconds and put out over 18 rounds per minute per Ocello.

[noble zodiac]

IT HAS NO RADAR

💀

[wicked mirage]

YES xD

[wary flame]

I would join in but I got about four packages this morning and am distracted by my new toys

[wicked mirage]

Much like a full Rail DD array I am categorically reliant on my team for tracks, and also PD lol. I only play this with a stack.

[noble zodiac]

you what

[idle fox]

what'd you get misc

[wicked mirage]

Oooo!~

[idle fox]

damn what a haul

[wary flame]

currently unstrung and with pointless arrows because it's raining and I don't want to go set up a target in the mud to try it just yet

[idle fox]

I might try and get some neb in today

[wicked mirage]

"What's the matter Gamma, you've hardly touched your drive-slot Ereg, stock drive basic CIC /w PCC Rail Ocello"

Also has 2 Smol Reactor Boosters in each to make up the difference lol. I think this is categorically the most pure Rail output you can put in a 3k OSP fleet.

[wicked mirage]

Fair, that looks like an awesome bow though!

[noble zodiac]

BASIC CIC

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[wicked mirage]

I can't think of any possible way to raise the rate of fire across the fleet any higher xD

[noble zodiac]

when i made my take on this fleet i intended it as a shitpost not for it to work D:

[wicked mirage]

I think this is as high as it goes for OSP.

[wicked mirage]

The trick is to commit to the bit xD

You have to be a firm believer in Kayfabe.

[noble zodiac]

... kayfabe?

whazzat again

[wary flame]

willing suspension of disbelief

[idle fox]

it's in wrestling where you treat everything as though it's real

[noble zodiac]

ahh

o kthat does sound familiar now

[noble zodiac]

sniff sniff
i smell K6BD panel

[wicked mirage]

xD

[wary flame]

cheap rail ocello is surprisingly mean, BBs and CAs are prime targets compared to your average OSP lineup and they love to sit in the middle of nowhere under the assumption that they're safe at 11km with their TC Spyglass

[quiet quiver]

That cheap?

[wicked mirage]

Yeah, it's crazy xD I don't often make budget ships, but when I do...

[noble zodiac]

im gonna have to make a mom fleet and run it alongside you in those... creatures

so we can directly coordinate

thereby allowing you to

like

see

things

xP

just gotta figure out how to make an OSP momfleet that i like, vibe with

[wicked mirage]

Oh absolutely, it throws a monkey wrench into Capital Ships and fills them with fire and sadness

[noble zodiac]

(because as a vauxh main OSP has an astonishing dearth of things i vibe with 💀)

[wicked mirage]

That's fair, cap game is tough but it can be exciting.

[wary flame]

my dad fleets are surprisingly short on vision but I do keep one adaptive spyglass and one EWR in case of teammates like this

no bloodhound though

[noble zodiac]

no ouppy...

sadge

[wicked mirage]

Also don't worry. I made an ANS version too

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Pure Distilled Pyrope' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

Incessant Rail Babbling : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Rail PD]
Deepseated Love of RWBY : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Rail PD]
   Deranged Fleet Ideas : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Rail PD]

[noble zodiac]

what the fuckulous

i love the names

WAIT THEY HAVE DOUBLE BASIC CICS

https://tenor.com/view/fascinating-interesting-excited-awesome-cool-gif-17097456

[wicked mirage]

Saves 5 points versus 1 Reinforced CIC xD

[wary flame]

cheaper than one reinforced, I can get behind it

[noble zodiac]

it does !

[wary flame]

finally

affordable ships

these red gems must be paste

[wicked mirage]

Goodness gracious Misc xD

[noble zodiac]

must be paste
[hard-disk seek noises]

[quiet quiver]

Is this more or less rail fire than 6 500-pt keystones?

[wicked mirage]

Definitely less by a significant margin lol

But it's also 3 Axfords, which is funny

[noble zodiac]

now do two solomons

[wary flame]

you know I'd ask if you wanted to come helldive becuase that game has railguns too but I'm pretty sure it's closing in on 7am over there

go to bed

[noble zodiac]

checks timezones

i think 6am?
but also

yes

do the eepy 🫵

sleepulous: bed command

or

something

idk why im bramblying

ramblign

[quiet quiver]

Okay next question is are the Axford rails in seperate groups so you can stagger fire and convince someone it's ~2 keystones until they get a track?

[noble zodiac]

checks

sorta

[wicked mirage]

My 6x Rail DD fleet has 61.1 RPM, this fleet has... checks notes... 54.9 RPM.

[wicked mirage]

Either way can work xD

[quiet quiver]

Oh that's not much less

[noble zodiac]

it has this on

... all three

[wary flame]

you also get enough armour to not die instantly to mass drivers, which is neat

[noble zodiac]

yea

[wicked mirage]

Yeah it's less of a difference than I thought lmao

[noble zodiac]

yea

[wary flame]

downside is sig bloom means the entire map will see you

whereas DDs can often just not be tracked

[noble zodiac]

do they not already do that with DDs- huh

wack

[wicked mirage]

Give me your ACT seekers

[wary flame]

MNs and DDs are small enough that it doesn't bloom super hard

I actually hammered out stats for the MD Missile Interrupt back when it was discovered by me and Grandar

[noble zodiac]

well that and they only have one gun blooming them

[wary flame]

three MDs on a bulker pulls missiles from about 2km further

four MDs pulls from about 10

[noble zodiac]

goddamn

[wicked mirage]

Goodness gracious lol

[wary flame]

rails don't really do it becuase the multiplier is less insane

[wicked mirage]

Ahhh

[wicked mirage]

You know 54 vs 61 RPM for having all that armor (and also psychological warfare) is actually kind of amazing lol

[wary flame]

4MD bulker on the left

the forbidden chaff

[wicked mirage]

Amazing lol

Wait

If you put a 4MD Bulker directly behind a friendly fleet about 5-10km behind them, they'll never get hit by ACT seekers lmao

[wary flame]

yeah, but you do need to give your MD bulker a lyrebird

because your sig is infinity times larger than chaff

so you need to jam the incoming so as to not get nailed

I have considered actually doing that, though

even without trying, we discovered this when MD sig bloom kept pulling Act/Wake S2H off course

[noble zodiac]

well not really

you fire the guns to sigbloom

and then hold fire once you see the missiles come in

wait for the-

oh hang on

well no you can just chaff at that point

[wary flame]

the bloom lasts for quite a while, it's not terribly reliable to wait for it to go away

whereas turning off the guns to power the bubble of safety is a one-second operation

[quiet quiver]

And unlike chaff I bet it fools EO and other validation

[lime jungle]

'Activmostious Decoy of Legends' is a 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship that costs 1095 points.

[wicked mirage]

Bellbird lets you slurp up ARAD too and softkill it by nature of it running out of fuel as it tries to reach you.

Also has anyone tried for the fabled legendary giga signature bloom by strapping 8 MD's to a Bulker and spinning it so you can fire the other side before the effect wears off?

[quiet quiver]

Why spin when you can POS-fire?

[wary flame]

I think the guns draw power while reloading so I'm not sure you can get that much juice but you can at least do more than 4, interesting

would need to test it on Abyssal

might not even need the lyrebird if you have the bellbird, too

[wicked mirage]

They do, and unfortunately a Bulker can only generate an absolute maximum of 32,904kW while 8 MD's take 34,000kW

[noble zodiac]

ah yes

the activest decoy

[wary flame]

good to know, you can do seven then

we will have to test that later

[wicked mirage]

That'll be fun lol

Also messing with the limits of Bulker power has resulted in this abomination:

[lime jungle]

'Rosary Daemon' is a 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship that costs 1370 points.

[wicked mirage]

Now I can escort my Sidearm Gun Ocello and NEVER FEAR MISSILES AGAIN.

And have enough jamming to hide it from Bullseyes lol

9 Grazers, 4 Bellbirds, and it can fire it all even if it loses a PCC or a Reactor.

[wary flame]

7am brain genius

[wicked mirage]

xD

also has ARR EWR to see good

[idle fox]

this is too much for my weak 1pm brain

[noble zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-rwby-ruby-rose-rwby-ruby-shocked-rwby-ruby-surprised-rwby-volume8-gif-25312872

one of the builds of all time

the fuckin

big mount grazers

[wary flame]

I lack access to my rolled up newspaper gif at the moment but to to sleep or I'll bonk you

[noble zodiac]

ok ok ok ok ok ok so hear me out

double sided bellbirds

and you

cycle the bellbirds

[wary flame]

cursed bulkers tomorrow

[noble zodiac]

so you're always jamming

[idle fox]

I agree with misc you should go to bed

[wicked mirage]

Fun fact: JRR's only grant more power than a PCC after the 3rd PCC in most low power double drive builds, or 4th PCC in most Single Drive builds.

Okay, BED TIME

[noble zodiac]

eeby pyrope

[wicked mirage]

eeby deeby

[noble zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/739497987729784915.webp?size=64&quality=lossless

[noble zodiac]

yeag

[idle fox]

I actually am sleep deprived atm because the dog conspired to keep me awake all night so maybe now is a good time to build a fleet

[wicked mirage]

Use the Rosary Daemon, it'll be great!!~ Just combine it with the Ocello in this fleet and take out AMM's until you can fit it and maybe a capping shuttle in

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Crescent Rose (BrawlCC+Intel)' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

Crescent Rose : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
Scarlet Scope : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [PD Missile Sensor]
  Petal Burst : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD EWar]
  Petal Helix : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD EWar]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
   CM-466 SKELETIZER : CRUISE - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [8pts]
SGM-170 Golden Parry : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [6pts]
     SGM-171 Esunaga : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [5pts]

[idle fox]

go to bed

[wicked mirage]

Amazing. Ok bed for real!

[noble zodiac]

sleep well !

[glad aurora]

gently holding out a bloodhound MN to Pyrope's insane railfleet like feeding a wild deer

[tulip vault]

I've been blessed with all-around very high numbers

only semi-related in the fact that it's the same video game: <@&942093958551588904> anyone care for a pub game or two?

[noble zodiac]

fr

[idle fox]

can I get some holistic feedback on this fleet? I don't much know what I'm doing

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'OSP 2' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3000 points:

Unseen Academic : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD EWar]
    Tonal Magic : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD EWar Sensor]
 Diversity Hire : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
      Indelible : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]

[dire harness]

Ocellos

• PD is a tad weak, the bastion is usually better than the rebound when unbuffed and flak + softkill only leaves you fairly vulnerable to missiles
• DC you’ll really want restores for combat ships and especially the ocello. Being able to restore lost turrets or modules is great for more expensive ships.
• Ammunition, prbly want more 450 HE then AP for your guns. Most targets are better attacked with HE on ANS in most circumstances. Also 2000 120 HE is a lot you might want to cut that down by half or so and get some 120 AP as well. Flak is also a lot, 1500 or less is almost always plenty. If you don’t have it the show hidden stats mod can be lovely for determining ammunition load, 1-2 minutes is usually good for PD!
  Shuttles
• 100mm comes in increments of 250 points wise so 250 of each or maybe 500 if you plan to use a lot works well. Also might want to change bulk mag for reinforced to help survivability <3

looks nice otherwise!

[idle fox]

yeah I don't have that mod, the ammo quantities are the main thing I was unsure about because I don't have any reference for like, how much shooting it all actually represents

the shuttle bulk mag was reinforced originally and got swapped around at some point while messing with the total fleet points

[glad aurora]

in addition to this (I'd even say 1500 flak is too much - 1000 is alright for BBs) -
drop the track correlator off the ocello
pavises > defenders (yes, really - they have 2x the fire rate)
drop the SRB for a microreactor
this should also allow you to trivially drop the PCC and start getting some actual restores, because right now you have literally zero restores

you can theoretically get away with 2 restores, you cannot get away with 0

[idle fox]

thank you both for the advice

[wet root]

Terrifying! Yoink

[dire harness]

0 restores can work

just a bit goofy

[wet root]

I've run 0 restores on Ocellos before lol

But I don't recommend doing so when new, it leaves very little room to make mistakes

[glad aurora]

yes, but you're insane

I start getting twitchy when I leave the port with less than 4 restores, 2 on my ocellos is a concession

[dire harness]

Ya, I’ve used 0 restore Cls a fair bit

[wary flame]

I would probably just cut a shuttle here and spend all that cash on DC

that's two decent lockers each

still a little tight but if you're bowtanking well it'll do

[idle fox]

📝

[glad aurora]

honestly

i'd go 2x pavise/1x bastion on all of these ocellos instead of one of them being all flak and the other all slug

[wary flame]

rebounds are not usually worth your time these days when you have the pavise

which is just The Best PD Turret

[dire harness]

aurora :(

[wary flame]

for everything but hybrids or massed S2 spam

might want one interruptor jammer and one lyrebird, actually, because people quite like Act/[EO] these days

and you'll want to jam that

[glad aurora]

mount budget is a bit tight for lyrebirds on selfish ocellos

[dire harness]

Is act/[eo] coming back :D

the rear two work well

[wary flame]

Ocello PD is largely to taste beyond "interruptor, bit of pavise, probably an aurora or two"

[glad aurora]

I need another gun turret, not a second type of jammer

: (

[dire harness]

ocellos just generally hurt me

[glad aurora]

there are SPRINTERS in my LOCATION and they need to be instead placed in HELL

more barrels of 120

[idle fox]

exactly

that was my reasoning for the 120s

[glad aurora]

excellent reasoning. no notes.

teams no longer deserve the 2x sarissa/3x aurora ocello

[idle fox]

I want to be able to storm onto a point with them and tell anything smaller to fuck off

[glad aurora]

(also ans pubs are 90% gun capitals lmao)

you walk into a game as OSP and you just get something like...

[formal tiger]

the loathsome axford stack

[wary flame]

I'm increasingly thinking that the triple rail ocello with team bloodhounds is actually a play

[dire harness]

;-;

[wary flame]

purely because it really annoys the quad 4TC Spyglass 450 axford super gunline

[dire harness]

outcap them :(

[idle fox]

what is the use case for rails? I like railguns a lot thematically

[dire harness]

fire!

[wary flame]

long range extreme harassment, basically

[dire harness]

light everything on fire

don’t kill anything

just be a tad annoying

[wary flame]

they set everything on fire, debuff everything, won't kill anything serious by themselves but they turn dense, armoured targets into total pushovers for the team

[idle fox]

cool

[wary flame]

best on big open maps and fired from purpose-built skeletal platforms

[wary flame]

rail destroyers are railgun, railgun fire rate modules and maybe the most basic of chaff and radar

on one DD out of the array of five or six

more than any other build they are just floating guns

[idle fox]

if I want to play multiplayer do I need an ANS and an OSP fleet prepared

[glad aurora]

yes

[wary flame]

probably yes, although starter fleets get you through the midshipman stage fine

[idle fox]

alright, I'll have to work on an ANS one once I get this one workable

[wary flame]

cake, you are the best cap player on the planet, easy for you to say

[dark dawn]

I do feel like the only person to play light cruisers these days

Especially not suicide CLs

[dire harness]

In order to win a game about objectives play objectives :D

[wary flame]

OSP tug capfleet has really been my thing lately, to be fair

industrious tugs of all flavours scurrying around

[idle fox]

me sitting in the stocks in chiv while dozens of people fight outside the point all around me

[tulip vault]

a horrifying sentence

we're bringing back launch Nebulous

[idle fox]

I'd love to be the scouting person who tells the railgun death beam where to shoot

it's like having an orbital laser

[glad aurora]

it's kind of a product of the ans/osp arms race issue

[idle fox]

seeing a hapless ship come around the rock and being like "you 🫵"

[tulip vault]

light cruisers just get chewed up and spat out by liners

of all types, weirdly

[glad aurora]

ans brings all capitals
osp can't effectively counter without massive investment into anti-capital tools (with a small concession to the cap game)
if ans brings anything not all capitals, anti-capital tools obliterate them
osp doesn't know that the enemy team isn't bringing all capitals, so they bring all anti-capital tools since otherwise they lose
thus, ans brings all capitals, because otherwise they'll lose

and so it goes

i cannot count how many pubulous games i've played where i knew exactly how the game was going to go purely based off of the fleet composition in the pregame

rock paper scissors is not especially fun when it becomes two rocks bashing at each other in mid while you micro a shuttle around a rock onto whatever cap they just left for the next five minutes

[idle fox]

I am both excited and terrified to be able to play against other players

[glad aurora]

be excited, it's an excellent ride until you enter the bermuda triangle

[tulip vault]

what is this bermuda triangle

[idle fox]

the sphere of pvp games I am good at sits squarely in the hyper-specific realm of "hit people over the head with an axe"

[tulip vault]

the beam is the dane axe of nebulous

no I will not explain myself

[idle fox]

makes sense to me

[tulip vault]

honestly that joke actually makes more sense than I thought

[glad aurora]

"you've played too many games not to recognize The Average Nebulous Game but not enough games to just make insane fleets that work anyway"

[idle fox]

hehehehehe

[wary flame]

extremely low effort but I had to leave the middle bunny face because it was too good

[tulip vault]

excellent

[idle fox]

misc this is wonderful

[tulip vault]

he just like me fr fr

[tulip vault]

also I still don't follow, I think

[idle fox]

you know enough for it to become repetitive without yet being able to break that up with wacky fleets

is my understanding anyway

[tulip vault]

ah, je see

that's fair

I certainly had a similar experience but idk if that was for the same reasons or just because there were a few pretty miserable patches

[misty storm]

Bnuuy U•Y•U

[wary flame]

hang on, this is better

[tulip vault]

exce..

what

excellent

[wary flame]

more neb if in space

[tulip vault]

if I had the effort in me I'd grab the pillars skybox to smack behind it

in the vein of new players getting into the game though, are any of the acronym guides on steam any good?

[junior heron]

are you still in-game, and do you think you'll play more?

(I know I'm pretty late here)

[tulip vault]

yes and yes

well I am in game again, more like

but yes I will neb more

[wet root]

I still bring at least one CL in most of my ANS fleets! Raiderwhip plus a pair of jammers just does so much work

[idle fox]

raiderwhip?

[wary flame]

large (serial number starting with 5) raider drive, small (starting with 2) whiplash drive

makes you fast with good acceleration, so a pretty standard drive setup

[idle fox]

ah I see

I think I put what I guess is a whipraider on the CL I was working on for my ANS fleet (that being big whiplash small raider)

[wary flame]

that setup is slightly worse statwise, since big whip gives less speed than small whip, but generates more power

[idle fox]

speaking of fleets actually here's the next iteration of the one I posted earlier, based on everyone's feedback

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'OSP 2b' is composed of 3 ships that cost 3000 points:

Unseen Academic : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD EWar]
    Tonal Magic : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD EWar Sensor]
 Diversity Hire : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Rocket Gun PD]

[idle fox]

huh I wonder why the order swapped

[glad aurora]

Questionable how much one Blanket is really going to do for you here compared to going double Bullseye, but this looks like a very solid double gun Ocello fleet otherwise

Axford cosplay

[wary flame]

one blanket is decent just for softkilling Act and Act/[Validator] missiles, at least

[idle fox]

my brain is not built to shoot at more than two things at once and I figure it can't hurt to jam a little bit

anyway, glad it looks ok, gotta do an ANS one next

[olive blade]

I'd if anything try and fit a couple of sarissa on one of them

[idle fox]

instead of the pavises?

[glad aurora]

instead of the 120s

(mount size)

which I'd disagree with, personally

[idle fox]

ah yeah

[olive blade]

a couple of auroras is an option if you are really invested in the 120s

but having a nice area of missile complication imo has a lot of value

[idle fox]

gonna worry about just having two fleets that work first

[wet root]

(Whip, not raider)

(Or possibly both?)

[idle fox]

porque no los dos

[wet root]

But yeah small whip is pretty notably better than big whip in the drive stats department

[idle fox]

📝

[mint sinew]

But the power off a large whip can be very nice on strained builds, so both can be valid

[wet root]

And if you're going one drive, the tankiness of the big version is usually worthwhile

[quiet quiver]

I’ve got a single big mount grazer in my MD bulker because I only have 3 MDs anyway and it points in the likely direction long range missiles are coming from

[wicked mirage]

Smart ^^

Also I double drived the Demon

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Crescent Rose (GunCC+EscLN)' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

Crescent Rose : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor]
 Rosary Demon : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [PD EWar]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
                SGM-102 Starshard : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [2pts]
SGM-133 'Red Scythe' Anti-Clipper : DIRECT - CMD - HE SHAPED [7pts]
             SGM-170 Golden Parry : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [6pts]

[wicked mirage]

It's about 3.2kW short, but that still means 7/9 Grazers can fire while all the Bellbirds are firing! And I can just turn the Radar off for the 8th Grazer.

19.0kW / 16.8kW

[dire harness]

that’s a lot of jamming :0

and grazer

[glad aurora]

jesus christ how terrifying

[wet root]

Do Grazers or Bellbirds have higher power priority?

[junior heron]

grazers should right?

thought PD got put to the top of priority

[glad aurora]

As of a couple updates ago, yeah

(presumably so you don't end up, say, dying on the spot if you try and fire your beam on a damaged DD with a strike coming in, etc.)

[wet root]

Kind of wish Interruptors and J360s at least had the same critical priority but I think they're still high

[wicked mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

Gale spam moment

[oak shell]

Your genius is always frightening to me

[quiet quiver]

Trying to figure if that bellbird uptime is high or low

[wary flame]

since they really annoy me and I think I'm one of only a few cap gaming enthusiasts around here, have a standard issue capping shuttle that can seriously stall one of my cap corvs and possibly even run it completely out of ammo

[lime jungle]

'PD Cap Shuttle' is a 'Shuttle' class Clipper that costs 160 points.

[wary flame]

Cake has a giant pile of shuttle templates around somehwere but outside the token 70pt capping device, this is what I've been using

keep the pavise and gun pointed at the incoming corv and apply grapeshot

won't beat a proper gun sprinter with a single T20, but will probably overmatch one of the single MK61/2 missile designs

[wicked mirage]

Yay

[wary flame]

they're annoyingly expensive for shuttles but if you are running lots of them you can take pairs with one VLS-1, one pavise and four T20s between them

which do pretty decently

[wicked mirage]

Yeah, Shuttle duos are good

[wary flame]

I still prefer tugboats but I see lots of people charging around with gun plus chaff shuttles which are very easy to sweep

need both AMMs and pavise in there to resist the ANS sprinter blastboats

[wicked mirage]

Yeah

[sly glade]

https://youtu.be/kGxGVU1yXFk

[tulip vault]

Devlog detected

Hell yeah

[junior heron]

heck

setting up SoaSE single player lobby, beaten to the punch

[quiet quiver]

Hell yeah

[tulip vault]

Spoiled for those who want to watch the video first but !!!!!!!! It looks so cool

[junior heron]

and now my SoaSE has crashed D:

guess I'll just watch the nebdevlog instead

[junior heron]

I love it

[tulip vault]

It looks so good

[glad aurora]

||is the ANS logi ship on a fucking Solomon hull||

absolutely insane

hm, concerning

[floral bloom]

How so?

[glad aurora]

||only 2xC1 1xC2 is hardly enough PD to protect against OSP, especially if it doesn't actually have Solomon DR/DC||

||that's what, two Defenders and a disco ball, or one defender, one chaff box, one disco?||

[floral bloom]

I guess the thought is that logi ships shouldn’t be getting shot at without escort?

[glad aurora]

Naturally, but if I have to task a Raines to babysit this thing (or anything bigger), that'll be awkward

that said, this is going to likely be a much bigger issue for OSP if it goes to them as well with their gas freighter

because at that point, you physically cannot mount enough PD to protect it from cruise hybrid attacks and so you need to buy an entire support Ocello to just chill next to it

Return of the rail Ocello fleet, maybe?

I am, however, extremely excited for the orbital invasion hierarchy

That's the shit what activates my neurons

[tulip vault]

Intel mentioned!!

Im very excited

Cannot wait one bit to add homework to nebulous

[supple sonnet]

I man that's the point of escorts when it comes to logistical ships, and you can make a non-ocelllo PD escort for OSP

[glad aurora]

transactionulous incoming

[tulip vault]

What are polymers then

[tulip vault]

The box of amms shuttle is a worthy ship

[glad aurora]

Technically free currency you get through events but can buy with premium currency at a markup

fuel and ammunition are your generic Energy, of course (replenished over time, required to play the game)

provisions are faction reputation points :^)

mobilegameulous

in all seriousness, does OSP buy a bloodhound tug with grazer + pavise + AMMs for logi ship escort?

I assume ANS buys a Defender Raines with pinard support so it has other purposes in life

[supple sonnet]

We think the Pinpoint/t20/Big AMM box shuttle is about what you want for oiler escorts, or some weird grazer/c90 beast of a MN

TronTheAllmighty (He/They) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) The box of amms shuttle is a worthy ship

The BH is not a FCR as far as the PD controler is concernd so you want pinpoints

Ash And Gold ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) in all seriousness, does OSP buy a bloodhound tug with grazer + pavise + AMMs for logi ship escort?

[quiet quiver]

He mentioned "and one other conquest-specific hull per faction" besides the oiler, I bet it's gonna be a troop ship for securing stations/ports

Also yes the Mercator-class looks so sexy

[glad aurora]

WE LOVE INVASION MECHANICS

[quiet quiver]

(And also expecting faction-agnostic cargo ships)

[supple sonnet]

And your not going to want the logi escorts to be fully unarmed as well we are going to be sending the Duncan's logi ship hunting in conquest

[glad aurora]

Yeah, the fact that Mazer said that PoIs being instantly captured "will change" makes me think it's a troopship as well

because that implies that invasion mechanics will require some kind of balance of forces / time investment, and the natural extension of that is boots on the ground

of course, the really funny thing that could come out of that is Boarding Mechanics

[glad aurora]

If the Mercator is actually on a Solomon hull, will rockets knock one out efficiently?

[supple sonnet]

I doubt it will have the same armour thickness as a Soloman, and it depends on whare they strike and the amout of DC teems it has. and a wing of the rocket duncan's have 54 rockets betwen them so like dumping that into the drives should force a SCRAM of most of the drives and reactors if not all of them

And i dont think it's built on the same hull, it just has the same rough look, as like most ANS big ships do,

[quiet quiver]

Yeah I'd say it's not the same "keel" even

[supple sonnet]

And lke if the ANS is getting a armoured oiler, the OSP shoudget somthign like the Bogue class

[tulip vault]

yeah it doesn't really look like the solly at all, barring being an ANS ship

[tulip vault]

I am wondering about cargo ships atm

because I assume you can intercept and fight them but mazer didn't actually mention it in the devlog

I dunno if it just wasn't mentioned or deliberately left out though

[glad aurora]

killing a bunch of unarmed liners is not exactly a difficult thing for any pack of raiding ships, so I'd honestly hope that it isn't a thing

otherwise you just end up with the ability to trivially cut supply lines as long as you intercept them

[supple sonnet]

that's what convoys and escorts are for

And Mazer did say that he ment for ogistics rading to be a way for aplayer on the back foot to push back easaly

[glad aurora]

Mm. I suppose then we have to think of what kind of convoy escorts should exist, as well

I'm still very partial to my one 250/metric ton of HEI S3H vaux for the raiding

[quiet quiver]

Unescorted convoys I just expect to be captured and either redirected or scuttled

[supple sonnet]

I think that Vauxen as escorts are probay to heavy a hull for the job, and FF/DD's shoud be abe to do most of the job you want them to do wiht out being to high of an investment/not being enough ships for the convoy. though a CL as a conyou flagship might work

[glad aurora]

Gun CLs are pretty cheap and can really bust up shuttles

1x gun CL as a "destroyer leader" + 2x S2H/120 Raines?

[supple sonnet]

I beg to differ, and we have had the matches to prove it

[glad aurora]

Ha, fair

[quiet quiver]

Skill issue on part of the CL :v

[supple sonnet]

and for ANS, i woud say you probaly want like 1x missle frig, 2x gun frigs, and a DD of some kind per logi ship, and a gun CL as the flag.

Tech that's not nice to say about Ash

[dark dawn]

I honestly need to steal that idea for a DD fleet

[glad aurora]

I honestly can't remember the last time I've played a gun CL into one of Ilkay's shuttle swarms, so it probably was a skill issue back then

[supple sonnet]

It was one of the first perdito games, and it was less into, and more you were within 3km of a rock

I think it was the first game you brought your Gun CL and torp CL fleet to a game

I only remember that becouse i keeped on telling you that you needed more PD to deal with shuttles for that fleet

[glad aurora]

Ah - yeah, that was the kitakami vauxhall fleet

Yep, that has very stripped PD

[bitter furnace]

The Mercator isn't based on a Solomon, their bow sections just look kinda similar ish. They're completely unrelated in design and construction, and I very much doubt they're gonna get battleship armour 😛

[supple sonnet]

Also as far I do wonder how good LNs are going to be at rading

[wary flame]

Pyrope and I just had a game where the standout member of the team was the 3k mine CLN

PD on the enemy axford horde was lacking

the axhorde

[glad aurora]

sundrive+longhaul LN raider 😌

[supple sonnet]

Isaki trucks making Beemstone escorts nessacary 😌

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Raiding Group Vauxhall' is composed of 3 ships that cost 4319 points:

The Timed Gush : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Missile EWar Gun]
      Lat Sole : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Missile EWar Gun]
         Wagon : 'Raines' class Frigate [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-H-378 Estoc Mle. 1635 : DIRECT - PSV(EO)/CMD - HE SHAPED [32pts]

[glad aurora]

Comms and radar jam them, then close for the kill

[quiet quiver]

Also Mazer confirmed that the cargo ships are gonna be bulk freighters w/o guns or OSP colors

And inspired by this I painted a handful straight grey https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409638848302153732/1210652645031677982/image.png

They honestly look pretty good

[tulip vault]

honestly even just knowing they're getting models kinda tells me what I need to know

I wonder if you'll be able to set up automatic patrol orders...

[wary flame]

posting to get Hazel summary for @dark dawn

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'TF Disco - 2WHP' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

Raphael Ambrosius Costeau : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
            Kim Kitsuragi : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar PD]

[dark dawn]

Hang on is that four 120s?

[tulip vault]

the days of early neb have returned to us, yes

[quiet quiver]

Also "unrelatedly" I have a new default fleet for when I haven't picked yet :p

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Escort Group' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3662 points:

The Gutsy Quack : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun EWar PD]
Clair C. Karlee : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Missile PD EWar]
 Kally Q. Netty : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam Gun PD Sensor]
     Eager Both : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam Gun PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
 SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
SGM-H-251 Rapier : DIRECT - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [15pts]

[glad aurora]

not quite sure about the intel DD's full loadout, but I generally think that an escort group should have organic intel so it knows what it's fighting ASAP

[supple sonnet]

I think you might want a 4xtc spyglass on that just so it can see everything aproching

[glad aurora]

Hmm

[quiet quiver]

It does have a spyglass, just uncorrolated

Which TBH just means worse TQ

[supple sonnet]

it dose, and it's not like that group has anything that can shoot out past bullseye range, so maybe ARR's might be better.

[glad aurora]

My thinking exactly, yeah, now that I'm going back to this.

I also don't think the blankets are necessary given its role

[supple sonnet]

Nessacary no, but they are better to have and not need then to need and not have, like you can jam out some OSP radars at torp range and that's just as efective at softkiing a CMD seaker as jaming out the recever

[glad aurora]

Yeah, it's just that the power budget is very tight

[supple sonnet]

and it can stop return gunfire

[glad aurora]

I suppose you just keep them offline most of the time and hope the Sarissas don't fire when your radar is on

and at that point you drop the prowler for a regular reinforced drive, probably

this version can run everything at once at 99% power, which I'm calling good enough

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Escort Group' is composed of 4 ships that cost 3724 points:

Clair C. Karlee : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Missile PD EWar]
The Gutsy Quack : 'Vauxhall' class Light Cruiser [Gun EWar PD]
 Kally Q. Netty : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam Gun PD Sensor]
     Eager Both : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam Gun PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
 SGM-113 Buckler : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
SGM-H-251 Rapier : CRUISE - CMD/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [17pts]

[glad aurora]

(the s2h are now more expensive because they're Cruise instead of Direct, that's it)

[supple sonnet]

i know we'd probably get refused but this really makes us want to try to get into conquest testing

Althaea (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) https://youtu.be/kGxGVU1yXFk 📎

[glad aurora]

, though I did apply

(one of the reasons I'm making these fleets)

[tulip vault]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone feel like one or two games of pubulous

[glad aurora]

I'm down

[quiet quiver]

Yeah okay

[tulip vault]

alright I shall wait a minute or two to see if we get a fourth and then I shall be on

[junior heron]

4

[rigid bison]

||The sheer lack of PD slots means that ANS players will all but require PD pickets to keep this this thing from getting munched on by containers.||
||The same goes for OSP and hybrids, of course. Grazer devices, anyone?||

[glad aurora]

yep, we discussed this above

mandatory escort tax

[supple sonnet]

we'll be around in about an hour and a half if you'll still be there

TronTheAllmighty (He/They) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) <@&942093958551588904> anyone feel like one or two games of pubulous

[junior heron]

@mint sinew hi fluffy

[runic torrent]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/887570/view/4183351393018919290?l=english oh, easy to miss but there's a thing at the bottom of this

<@&942093958551588904>

As mentioned in the video, if you're interested in applying to be a Wave 1 tester for the Conquest Update you can apply here (please keep in mind you must be a member of the official Discord to participate in testing): https://forms.gle/iAVUGGzgn92FHe6b7
See you in the battlespace,
The NEBULOUS Team

I know a lot of you are invested in helping this come out as the best game it can be, and maybe joining that wave 1 tester squad will help you guys stand out from balcon

[glad aurora]

Ah, hell, I need to join the nebcord

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Monoplasma Testing' is composed of 5 ships that cost 3000 points:

Failed To Properly Read The Question : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Plasma Gun Sensor PD]
      Forgot To Set Alarm Clock Back : 'Bulk Freighter' class Line Ship [Plasma Gun Sensor PD]
               Late To Job Interview : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD Gun]
        Desperate Run For Moving Bus : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD Gun]
             Missed Acceptance Email : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
        SGM-1 Currency Conversion : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]

[glad aurora]

... does plasma even do damage

[wary flame]

yes, but less than it used to by a long shot

it's a meme but it works surprisingly well and is very funny

[glad aurora]

Oh, I see, you also have T20s

this is slightly less insane than it first seemed

[wary flame]

the T20s were only about 40% of the damage in the games I played with it

plasma burn surprisingly efficient in absurd quantities

[olive blade]

I feel like dropping like 2-3 plasmas for guns and adding eregs with the power might get you similar output

but cheaper with more guns

[wary flame]

it would, this was entirely a meme fleet design to test out Max Plasma

hence the names

I was just surprised how well it actually worked

optimum plasma count might be higher than I expected

[quiet quiver]

Dangit Misc I just changed my 4 plasma ships down to 3 to save power!

[wary flame]

I think 3 is actually a good number, it was just awkward for power on mine

my 2-plasma ships do well but I think I might want to up that slightly

[olive blade]

yeah I was just thinking of getting more plasma per plasma

I do think optimal plasma might be higher than most people think