Nebulous: Fleet Command

[fresh storm]

as in, if the missile's settings are salvo 3 and you have 3 ships in an area all carrying them, each will fire one missile if not overriden?

[supple sonnet]

I think that the first ship too see them will shoot three

and the rest wont shoot uness it's a last chance salvo

[grand pine]

how to not spam shift z when you hear "spiker"? i don't have faith in my point defence and proceed to deploy all the chaff i brought :(

[fresh storm]

my trick is that I keep forgetting to set chaff to manual

and by the time I go "hmm I should perhaps drop some chaff" I select my ship and it's all gone

[toxic scaffold]

Replace your chaff with thease

[lime jungle]

SGM-106 Ember is a size 1 missile that costs 2 points.

[grand pine]

my chaff is on auto but I still spam it D:

[grand pine]

what's that

an amm?

[supple sonnet]

A vary cheep and spamable AMM yeah

[fresh storm]

what are the "activest decoys" I keep hearing about btw

[supple sonnet]

A S2 defensive missile with a jammier that you can use to seduce ARAD seekers

[fresh storm]

ah

that's what I've been doing all along

didn't know it had a name

something I find pretty funny too is that the rolloff launcher description makes a big deal out of not being able to fire defensive missiles

except it can do that just fine with an order

in general the rolloffs are very pogged due to having no need for the usual missile buffs and I'm almost seduced into doing an osp non-container missile ship

[supple sonnet]

Yeah missle bulkers and MNs can be a lot of fun, both with cruise and direct missles. the gale liner are a clasic but like you have the mag depth to do some funny things.

[rigid bison]

heck even splashing torps onto mixed tugs and feeders gives them punchup against capitals

[fresh storm]

them having access to the katyushas in the same slots gives rolloffs strong competition

but yeah

love to just slap a missile bay on any random ship and have it perform out of the box

[grand pine]

why do i have a sudden urge to make a broadside freight with casemates

[grand pine]

what do ya mean?

[supple sonnet]

Rocket liners have there own problems with unmasking the right launchers with out doing Bulker Things, that they don't have with rolloffs

[fresh storm]

osp has two sizes of a rocket turret that can only fire premade Piranha rockets, but they come in 16 and 36 shots iirc

the rockets are 3 points each and actually pretty punchy if you clear the way for them

[grand pine]

only piranha? you can't like put custom ones in?

[fresh storm]

nah, customs can only go into normal non-turreted launchers (for osp)

[grand pine]

interesting
and what do you mean by clear the way? jamming? or more expendable missiles?

[supple sonnet]

More dealing with PD, or just getting the launhing ship vary close

[fresh storm]

yeah they're a stream of very closely packed dumbfire rockets

so weakening the PD like you'd do with a missile strike won't be enough

however they just Disintegrate ships that didn't bring real PD

and if you make yourself an opportunity to get them through, even the largest ships fear them

they give me a bit of RPG inventory syndrome lmao

the very powerful item collecting dust in your pocket because you don't want to waste it in case the golden use case appears

[supple sonnet]

Yeah we had that same problem at first but like just counting left over rockets on dead shuttles helped get us to stop, but we were running dubble rocket pod shuttles at the time

[mint sinew]

It's funny because I often see the other extreme happen with rockets where people (myself included) snap off their rockets at ranges/angles/targets where they are never going to meaningfully work

[wet root]

Bring more chaff, spamming chaff is a very very good thing to do and it's very cheap to bring 46

(Or 45 and a ceremonial arming missile)

[bitter furnace]

Got word from on high. Apparently ARAD functionality was changed to be more in line with electronic warfare realism. Before, ARAD would always prioritize jamming emissions, even if the radar emission was 10x stronger. Now, they'll actually compare all their emission sources and seek for the strongest one. This means that if an enemy ship emitting radar is within the ARAD seeker cone, an SSJ AMM intersecting at that moment is probably not going to fool it. But if the enemy ship turns off their radar, or if the SSJ AMM is thrown out earlier and intersects with the ARAD missile before its seeker cone acquires the ship, then it's a different story.

TL;DR it looks like this is an ARAD buff and an SSJ AMM nerf, you'll have to design them to intersect with incoming spikers at a greater range, or practice good EMCON

[rigid bison]

perhaps using the increased range afforded by S2 bowling balls might help catch the container strike before it catches one's radars
to that end: can they see Sarissa radars and do weapon builtin FCRs obey ship EMCON?

[bitter furnace]

PDT FCRs don't have radar emissions even though realistically they would

makes things too complicated and hard to EMCON

[tulip vault]

as if I wasn't already slamming off my radar instantly when I hear spiker on the scope

good to know though lmao, thanks!

I like this change I think

might make misc's bizarre off angle s2h SSJ AMM more useful

[bitter furnace]

S2H SSJ AMM, oh dear lord, now we cookin'

[tulip vault]

it was actually really great in some testing we did

well

[rigid bison]

sounds very pricy

[tulip vault]

good as any other SSJ AMM

but worked from pretty far away

[rigid bison]

I wonder if simply kicking up the range on regular s2 very active decoys might work

[quiet quiver]

In theory only 2 points more than S2, hybrids are def cheaper when you’re not putting HEKP in them

[tulip vault]

the thing was the speed on it

actually let it get there in time

[grand pine]

i wish i could use it to bamboozle the enemy into shooting chaff instead of me:(

[wet root]

Patch Notes - 0.3.1.20:240119-0306
+PUBLIC TEST BRANCH+

Changes/Features:
- Added font selection for fast nameplate system and switched OSP ships (except Ocello) to using correct font for hull numbers.

Bug Fixes:
- Fixed HOJ seekers detecting ship radars.

That looks like a bit of an oops lol

[arctic magnet]

can I use Comic Sans for my ship nameplates now

[rigid bison]

I kinda liked HOJ/ARAD detecting ship radars, gave real meaning to EMCON

[wet root]

HoJ/ARAD will still detect ship radars though? This just prevents HoJ from being Literally Just ARAD But Cheaper

[wet root]

Looking foeward to naming all my ships in Wingdings

...I was going to fix that typo but actually I think it's correct

[bitter furnace]

it only existed for under 24 hours on test branch, it isn't a main branch bug

but yes it was funny while it lasted

[wet root]

Test branch doing its job

[wary flame]

re: surprisingly skilled blue-rank players

[grand pine]

what even is the source of that "nah, I'd win"

[fresh storm]

protip

don't disable comms to cut emissions when inside your own minefield

if I had a physical console I'd tape the button over

[grand pine]

did you blow yourself up? D:

[fresh storm]

my ship got decommissioned with me still inside

[grand pine]

you poor soul

[wary flame]

the main limit on them was that they only worked if they intercepted outside of seeker acquisition range anyway, because a CMD sprint stage rapidly orbiting one missile in the raid didn't jam them for as long as a slow S2 slowly passing through

in all other respects, identical to standard killjoy and worked fine on SAH/HOJ launched directly at you if you were quick on the trigger

so may actually be worth now

[fresh storm]

the large mounts on ocello keep taunting me because I really do not care for cannons and I'm here for the electronics

but if I'm already buying the whole ass ocello it'd be stupid not to arm it

and if it already has cannons it'd be stupid not to buff them.........

it's a case of "it's way too economical not to do" but gives me gameplay I'm not interested in

[fresh storm]

are comms relayed, actually?

example scenario: I have an offset scout providing a track for Ship A

however Ship A is being comms jammed and can't get the signal

but there's also an ocello on the map, able to receive the signal from the scout and punch through jamming to forward it

[wary flame]

yes, comms is one big net, either you are connected to the net by the strongest nearby signal and you have every track the team's comms-enabled ships can see, or you're not connected and you have none of them

the exception is that if you're in a hangup cone and another friendly ship is also in the same hangup cone you cannot establish comms with them no matter what, ignoring all comms signal strength checks or what have you

you can both have comms because there are friendly ships outside the cone connecting both ships to the net, but they cannot connect each other

[fresh storm]

is that exclusive to the hangup? or does the spherical one do the same?

not that jamming ships that can see you by looking out the window has practical applications

but I'm curious

[tulip vault]

I just figured out why this is an actually relevant thing

I feel so vindicated for giving all my ships their own radar now

[tulip vault]

I mean it does, a little bit, sprinters can force you to shoot on visual which is a horrid TQ

but no I have no idea if the interuptor does that as well

[fresh storm]

that'd be one hell of a precisely timed suicide run to capitalize on

I like it.

[wary flame]

I believe it's how all comms jamming works, so yes, the interrupt would also work that way

[formal tiger]

it's from a panel in Jujutsu Kaisen iirc

[tulip vault]

@wary flame throwulous in one image

they were all HEKP SSJ Decoy

[wary flame]

surprisingly good performance all things considered

or was it two-sided throwulous

[tulip vault]

two-sided throwulous

on caltrop even

[fresh storm]

I've been messing around with manually firing bomb shells into plasma-stripped ships so that they explode on impact instead of fuse

sadly no big results

[quiet quiver]

I don’t actually think they’re coded for that

But the idea of using them as jumbo HEHC is pretty amusing

[fresh storm]

I think what happens is that the fragments per target part of their description is very literal

and only so many fragments will ever spawn regardless of how the hit happened

[junior heron]

yeah

which means you'll want to bring in the shuttle scuttling squadron to spawn more fragments as you bombard

[rigid bison]

don’t give the “shuttles should be VBIED” crowd ground to stand on

[supple sonnet]

#20. If you're not willing to shell your own position, you're not willing to win.

[grand pine]

where dis from

[noble zodiac]

the Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries

an in-universe text from the webcomic Schlock Mercenary

[supple sonnet]

https://schlockmercenary.fandom.com/wiki/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Maximally_Effective_Mercenaries

[tulip vault]

these are great lmao

Do unto others.

[supple sonnet]

I think this one is the most inportent for Neb TBH

47. Don't expect the enemy to cooperate in the creation of your dream engagement.

LIke not nesscaraly here but like in gneeral we do see folks who build there fleets with out a plan for what to do when things go wrong

[tulip vault]

They'll never expect this" means "I want to try something stupid.

this is also very true

[tulip vault]

I am in fact guilty of this

my plan is win the fights I can effectively and efficiently

and just eat shit against things I can't fight

(on OSP at least, my ANS fleets are actually well rounded)

[supple sonnet]

Yeah well rounded OSP fleets are hard to buld but like pocket missles, random t20's or roof guns do help cover for a lot of what could be bad match ups

[oak shell]

The Seventy Maxims is a gold mine

[quiet quiver]

I sprung for a physical copy of it, and yes

[wet root]

If it's stupid and it works it's still stupid and you're lucky
is a classic

[supple sonnet]

Same TBH

Techhead ↩️

[Reply to:](#1164000873031151637 message) I sprung for a physical copy of it, and yes

[oak shell]

"everything is air droppable once" is my favorite

[wary flame]

I never liked that one much, it hits the "technically true but practically meaningless" annoyance zone

I do really like "it's still stupid and you're lucky"

end up using that a lot

[quiet quiver]

Restores:

39. There's a difference between spare parts and extra parts.

[wary flame]

I also have a liking for "two wrongs is probably not going to be enough"

[runic torrent]

I think my favorite one is probaly 'the enemey of your enemy is your enemy's enemy. no more, no less."

that one always stuck with me

[tulip vault]

hey <@&942093958551588904> would anyone feel like a pub game or two?

[quiet quiver]

Yeah

[supple sonnet]

we'll be around in ~30 minutes?

just getting off of work now

[quiet quiver]

This is making me wonder how deep the code assumptions are that there are exactly 2 teams

[wet root]

I would be surprised if it's not baked pretty intrinsically into the engine unfortunately

[bitter furnace]

yeah the game is built on two teams and has been since early pre-alpha

there were a few free-for-all test games, but with a game like Neb where you can't meaningfully repair/resupply/reinforce, all your resources only ever go down, it just results in the optimal strategy being to play as passive as possible and let your enemies fight

so the devs canned multi-team games pretty quick

[rigid bison]

would multi-team conquest work?

I want to play as a peacekeeping/making force intervening in the SA/OSP flight with a modded fleet

[bitter furnace]

repair and resupply exists there so perhaps

[supple sonnet]

damed close game

[junior heron]

annihilated?

your team, that is?

[supple sonnet]

yep

[grand pine]

we technically still have 2 or 3 functional line ships but the player in charge of them left before deployment

[supple sonnet]

yeah it was a 4v5

[fresh storm]

wait is this boat night already or just a bout

[quiet quiver]

Just a bout

[grand pine]

boat night is tomorrow, right?

like, 21 hour from now?

[supple sonnet]

Yep

[junior heron]

yep
the time in the pinned comment is correct, even if the date isn't

(I probably won't be making it, hopefully finishing up an Arkham campaign that's had several unfortunate hiatus)

[wary flame]

New patch is out, looks like they integrated the latest test branch

Nothing grand and new there, although I'll have to poke the new blanket jam/validated seeker interaction tomorrow

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/887570/view/3991945238789760735

<@&942093958551588904>

[tulip vault]

oh hey

lovely

they finally fired weapons officer gerald

[wary flame]

I love how the last patch was this giant affair and this time it's "new patch? very good, carry on, I'm sure it's lovely"

[tulip vault]

As another side-effect of Conquest development, you can now reassign the hotkeys for your ships in the heat of battle using Left Ctrl + Number Key (rebindable in settings). For some reason people thought I was philosophically against this but no, it just never percolated to the top of the development queue. But if there was any time to do it, it was in a QoL-focused minor update.

huh

• CMD validators will now check if a target is within the track's area of uncertainty (based on TQ) to decide if a target is valid, and will no longer be 100% reliable.

oh woah what

120mm also got a slight accuracy buff

[glad aurora]

the 120mm axford device continues to be buffed

[wet root]

Hmm I think that cmd val change kills ACT[CMD]/CMD

At least fired off EWR

[rigid bison]

the defender/paviase buff-bugfix where they can hit targets moving transverse got added.

more bullying to containers

[quiet quiver]

AIUI it's targeted at nerfing firing CMD val at EWR or crossfixes or w/e, ye

[olive blade]

I have got a new pc

I can now hopefully not crash once I have it set up

woo

[wet root]

Just in time!

[grand pine]

wow big patch

[junior heron]

does my team have enough shuttles?

[tulip vault]

no

I only see one shuttle fleet

[grand pine]

wow thats a lot of shuttles

why would you need so many tho

[junior heron]

to capture points

and run around and do small shuttle things

[grand pine]

i've seen a brave little shuttle try to shoot the Axford and capture a point..

[quiet quiver]

A good rocket volley by a few shuttles will cripple or kill a cruiser

[grand pine]

i've seen your shuttle fire a volley at a cruiser too, how did it go?

[quiet quiver]

It only shot b/c it was weapons free I think

[grand pine]

oh

[quiet quiver]

And its previous target was dead

It had a piddly T20 too

[grand pine]

i still kinda feel dumb for trying to penetrate an axford with 100mm

[quiet quiver]

The handmedown rocket shuttle I had fired 5 at a sprinter and I think stopped it in its tracks but the second sprinter to arrive killed it

It's possible the first was bait/sacrificial but I doubt it

[grand pine]

... what the hell are the void fairies

[noble zodiac]

they're the things that Weapons Officer Gerald points the beam at when he isnt pointing it at your intended target :D

[wet root]

If you knew more about the Void Fairies you would be pointing the beam at them too

[junior heron]

(they're a fictional thing to blame for the destroyer's tendency to miss with its spinal beam)

[noble zodiac]

yea

[fresh storm]

even more intely ewary

[lime jungle]

Fleet '05 - Impedance Marching' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

    Utter Chick : 'Ocello' class Command Cruiser [Gun PD Sensor EWar]
           Crew : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [PD Gun Missile]
           Unit : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Sensor Gun PD]
          Style : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD EWar]
Rank of Anstice : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [PD EWar]
  Beep of Mavis : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Sensor Rocket Ewar]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
 SGM-112 No U : DIRECT - CMD - HE FRAG [4pts]
SGT-300 Pilum : CRUISE - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [13pts]

[fresh storm]

now time to play a normal fleet enough to get a sense for intel to bother reporting

also I should probably play ANS at all to get a first person view of their capabilities

[wary flame]

I think the 20mm change means I want to take cork off my OSP torpedoes for points, since I'm now not getting single torps through 20mm pavise shuttles at any reasonable range

that also probably means I can trade agi for speed

[olive blade]

setting up neb on the new pc

aka driving a fleet around and pressing buttons and trying to get everything bound to what my muscle memory expects it to be

[olive blade]

I thought it only really affected shots going laterally

[fresh storm]

I'm thinkin... monitor fleet hyperspecialized in rock hugging

[sly glade]

god mrr it's so hard to getting around to making new fleets

weekdays I'm busy and don't feel motivated to do it

Saturdays I'm super busy all day and then I'd have to like massively stress out for a short period of time when I'm already risking migraines from overactivity

Sunday it's too late

So I keep showing up with ye olde Ocello and Axford fleets

[sharp crow]

just swipe a bunch from the last fleet swap and put your own names on it

[wet root]

Taking them off your ANS torps I'm guessing you meant?

[sly glade]

yeah but then I have to expend brainpower on figuring out what's good and how to use it instead

can't deny I've been thinking of it, though

at the very least, I trust Till's fleets to be good

main issue

he plays complicated things with lots of moving parts

the jerk

[fresh storm]

is there bote night today? and if so, random or own fleets?

[wary flame]

yes

may need to buy the S3H proper weave due to some strange interactions with arad

[wet root]

Yes boat night, no plans for fleet swap night AFAIK (but I wouldn't be opposed)

Might be some randomized maps though, the mod author theoretically fixed it for dedicated servers

[fresh storm]

aw

the mod is perditio on workshop, right?

[wary flame]

oh yes, if we're going to play Perdito then everyone needs to make sure to unsubscribe from the mod and resubscribe

new version generates maps slightly differently, which meant that when Pyrope and I tried a game on it earlier we both had invisible geometry and intangible rocks everywhere because the server was using a different map from the client

[wet root]

Oh that's good to know

Just unsubscribe probably works too since it'll give you a download button in the match

(And yes, Perditio is the mod)

[runic torrent]

<@&942093958551588904> just opened the boat night channels

[tulip vault]

have fun with boat night everyone!

[sly glade]

botes

[olive blade]

boat

[supple sonnet]

Boats!

[fresh storm]

is the channel activity 2?

[sly glade]

can't see it without the role

gave it to you now

[fresh storm]

ah

thank

[sly glade]

we're in boat night game 1 team 1, if it wasn't obvious, mwaha

np

[fresh storm]

@rocky robin

[topaz jolt]

Hii hi there

Boat night be brrr

Go brrr

I'm sorry I've just woken up for a little nap.

Aww, I joined voice chat at the very end.

[fresh storm]

I lost a tug to the line of retreat shrinking faster than it could move lmao

[misty storm]

does plasma help HESH at all?

[tulip vault]

No

HESH has god's own armour pen

[quiet quiver]

It's like 75cm of pen if I recall

[tulip vault]

I think a battleship can bounce it at extreme angles

[misty storm]

so like, 600 monitor with plasma turret + t30 isnt really a thing?

[glad aurora]

not really any point for the plasma

[misty storm]

ok

thought i was cookin

i dont really like torps for 600 monitors but im not sure what else to use

since just t30s isnt the best ig

[glad aurora]

600 monitors kill cruisers and BBs pretty well, but torps are great for small things that aren't grouped up enough for bomb shells

[misty storm]

yeah its just tough to fit em in with the setup i have

[wet root]

BBs can bowtank HESH quite well without plasma I think?

[glad aurora]

Don't know, in most cases I've seen the monitors have been able to outflank the BB

[wet root]

Sidearms are not required, you can just leave those slots empty or put EWAR or container stacks there

[wary flame]

The retreat line doesn't actually move, it's a globe, so you may have been moving upwards as well as inwards

[wary flame]

I like T30s personally, a few of them really helps mulch sprinters with grapeshot and can contribute against anything CL or smaller.

I don't see anything wrong with plasma turret, T30, 600mm myself, but if you want cheap I'd take a few T20s for cheap grapeshot and a single MLS in the squadron for deleting light ships that get too close. A couple of cork torps is a decent reply to a beam DD, as is a wall of 100mm AP.

[olive blade]

I think thats a reasonable loadout too

[misty storm]

ok ill stick with t30s

that is what i went back to

[runic torrent]

next boat night is <t:1706385600:F> <t:1706385600:R>

[bitter furnace]

they are absolutely a thing, I really like that loadout, it's a close second behind C65/T30/T81 for me

you just don't use the plasma to help the HESH, that's fine on its own

you use the plasma to allow you to swap the T30s from AP to HE-HC

and not every MN in a swarm should have a T81, just one or two in the fleet, the rest should be double T30 for more dakka

[fresh storm]

that's the thing, it was at the bottom of the map and moving upwards so the globe should've been growing

and I'm 99% sure I saw the retreat line move to follow the average "center" of where the ships on the map are

[wary flame]

Pretty damn sure it does not do that

[fresh storm]

my tug and the retreat line were moving in the same direction and the retreat line overtook it

I'm not crazy

[wet root]

Could the tug have been moving down and decelerating, hence thrusting up?

[fresh storm]

it was set to orbit an axford near the top of the map at close range and I don't see any reason why it'd take the scenic route

[arctic magnet]

I've noticed ships with damaged thrusters can behave extremely strangely sometimes

I've had a corvette wander out past the retreat line and had to manually set headings to have it not return to its home planet

[fresh storm]

it was at most light yellow iirc

[arctic magnet]

hm

only seen it happen with extremely blasted thrusters

[wary flame]

average ANS team comp

[fresh storm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sun-is-a-deadly-lazer-gif-8691250

I'm not sure what the correct counterplay is because osp is the short range ambush magdump faction

and beams are just better at that

not to the point where I'd call them imbalanced but

it annoys me as an armchair general, not as a videogamer

[tulip vault]

I mean, they aren't, tbf

[sharp crow]

there have been innumerable times where the beam can't get on target on time and the plasma dumping begins

[tulip vault]

mazer has said that it just didn't pan out like that

[tulip vault]

they did actually fix that in the last patch for the most part

but also I think S2 spam, plasma 100mm down the barrel of the beams, mass drivers

mass drivers

450s, even

destroyers are of a weird size where they're super vulnerable to everything

[arctic magnet]

my experience with beam DDs wasn't amazing yesterday, but they did just go right on target and vaporize a tug instead of shooting the void fairies

[olive blade]

my beamers behaved pretty weirdly tbh

[tulip vault]

450 HE doesn't overpen, nor does 600 HESH, and there's no gun with an ammo type that can't pen their armour

[fresh storm]

600mm hesh overpenning is a comical visual

cartoon character dodging a cannonball by bending their torso to the side type beat

[wary flame]

I have actually taken the dragonfly off my beam because the aiming is now tuned for stock drive

[olive blade]

I think beam dds have always felt pretty good and pretty fair

[wary flame]

so it will behave extremely nicely without the extra turn

[olive blade]

I think I might do the same

beam bb is a bit more of a tricky thing

[tulip vault]

I don't think beam DDs have ever been especially unbalanced but they felt bad to play before

[fresh storm]

I've been running spyglass ocellos recently btw and honestly I don't feel the downsides

[tulip vault]

at least in my experience

[fresh storm]

I agree that parallax is the king but for my pinard into spyglass into bullseye needs

eh

[tulip vault]

even with like, a perfectly set up ambush a minimum of one beam wouldn't get on target

[wary flame]

parallax used to be absolutely vital because OSP had no other source of burnthrough

so you just got jammed out and killed without it

these days you can get a bit of burnthrough on Huntresses so it's less of a must-take

ANS player brings no CIC on Axford

[tulip vault]

????????

[wary flame]

ship sits at spawn as a brick all match

[sharp crow]

lol

[tulip vault]

incredible

advancements in ship design the likes of which we've never seen

[fresh storm]

expensivest decoy

...though I think you can make a container that costs more than an axford brick

container-s with a max size 12 decoy module

I don't remember how much it was but it was an actual ship's worth of money

[tulip vault]

I am currently in a lobby with two midshipman surrender CLs

I'm excited to see this

[fresh storm]

surrender CLs?

[tulip vault]

a CL filled entirely with cruise missiles

called that for ???

I always thought it was because the players would shoot all their missiles and then surrender

but I've heard confliciting things

[wary flame]

it is in fact for that

[fresh storm]

I should make my own CL

[wary flame]

but if played properly you surrender at the same time as your opponents

these days they're usually direct fire

[fresh storm]

I took bork's into a match because all my fleets already had their niches filled

but I didn't know the missile timings because I didn't design it

still blew something up at least

[wary flame]

one of these surrender CLs only has 50 S2H and they're arad only

wonderful

[fresh storm]

guh

hybrids on osp?

[wary flame]

the other one has a reasonable missile count but they all appear to be thunderheads

[fresh storm]

speaking of
are secondary seekers active before the primary finds anything? or do they only activate after the primary loses its target or gets jammed?

like, can a long range secondary home the missile closer to the target for the primary to take over

[wary flame]

one of them instantly died to rocket shuttles

wonderful

both are active at once, yes

[tulip vault]

misc I wasn't watching, what happened to the rest of my team

[fresh storm]

great message

[tulip vault]

oh I see they brought beam DDs with no EWAR

[wary flame]

died immediately to missile

the 3000pt surrender CL had this, which is just pathetic

[tulip vault]

amazing

I think I figured out that nobody has seriously shot missiles at this fleet since S2 spam was a relevant threat

[tulip vault]

I'm in another match with this fleet

they've charged wildly forward with no support

honestly they've already landed more missile hits

yknow I really do wonder what it is about this game that discourages people so much from playing the starter fleets

[olive blade]

fwiw surrender cl is really not recommended

though can be fun

[fresh storm]

hmm

got/seen any fleets that have CLs instead of being a CL and its optional spotter?

I'm wondering what non surrender roles they could be pressed into and make point sense

[tulip vault]

I think @noble zodiac has some fleets that use one as a goaltender of sorts

[noble zodiac]

no that’s @wicked mirage

[wary flame]

extremely strange MN

[quiet quiver]

I've had success with it when not facing a big open field and getting obliterated by a MD liner

[misty storm]

What is that like. Plate on the front

[wary flame]

empty container stack

[grand pine]

what's strange about this monitor?

[misty storm]

Ah I see

[misty storm]

That they didn’t just use the plasma casemate and put the container stack on the top and/or bottom mounts

[wary flame]

cursed axford time

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Sidearm Axfords' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

            Kim Kitsuragi : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun Missile PD EWar]
Raphael Ambrosius Costeau : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun EWar PD Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-208 Pinball Champion : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [10pts]
     SGM-210 The Kimball : DIRECT - NONE - NONE [7pts]

[tulip vault]

I feel like the single blanket may not be the best use of points

[rigid bison]

Is the Kimball a bowling ball SSJ?

[wary flame]

yes

the blanket is for softkill and maybe hiding from single bridgemasters, not proper stealth

[wet root]

CL is short for Cruiser, Light (ANS Vauxhall), not Container Liner - usually ConL is the acronym for those

Yes this is very silly

(Not to say you shouldn't make your own CL I'm just pretty sure there was some confusion there)

[fresh storm]

I will now out of habit blame the british

potentially the french

[wet root]

I think this is Brits or Americans? Can blame the French for CV standing for Aircraft Carrier though

[noble zodiac]

alternatively, CLN

[wary flame]

Washington Naval Treaty cemented the CL/CA distinction, so British, American, Japanese, then French and Italian but only slightly

[noble zodiac]

i'll admit i have like barely ever seen ConL used, and more often see CLN

[wary flame]

going to need to split the blame a lot

[glad aurora]

nah, CLN is short for "Cruiser, light, neutral" which is when it hits you with a mid-range S2H volley

[quiet quiver]

Time for me to grumble that by existing standards it should be LNC or LNG for "Lineship, Container" or "Lineship, Guided Missile"

[wet root]

Really Lineships should be LL

[noble zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/boomshakalaka-gif-25687559

[wet root]

Then CLNs could be LLG

[quiet quiver]

I would not be opposed

[wary flame]

Limited Liability Gompany

[quiet quiver]

Or maybe the obtuse CAG for "Cruiser, Auxiliary, Guilded Missile"

(Neb uses CH and not CA for heavy cruisers)

[fresh storm]

oh yeah so to reiterate my question

any fleets that include a container liner but aren't just the liner and a cheapo spotter?

or is there no real way to pump less than all of your points into a conl

[quiet quiver]

Not really at 3k

Also if you're running cruise, they tend to take a degree of management that you might not want to have other ships to worry about too

As people who run container liners in 12k have complained

(Though TBF 8-9k worth of other ship is a lot more than 1k)

[fresh storm]

how are container liners Received btw

I have a strong suspicion that my team will feel like I'm throwing if I bring one

[quiet quiver]

But really it's the amount of investment in the base hull, just like battleships but in some ways worse. A 3000-pt liner has twice the combat load of a 2000-pt liner and the base hull doesn't offer much besides hauling missiles

While a 2000-pt battleship can still bring 4 big guns (three class 5 one class 4), ammo to fire them a while, and a thick hull to soak fire a while

That's how I see it at least

[fresh storm]

the 1600 point liner bringing only 1 point containers

[wary flame]

due to the 1400pt hull cost of a basically capable liner with all the channels, you want to bring as much ammo as humanly possible

CLN has a higher pay-to-play tax than any other fleet in the game

I have seen Cake run a 2200pt CLN and nine cheap capping shuttles, though

which is pretty stylish

[fresh storm]

I think I'll try a take on that too

[wet root]

I feel like you should try missile Bulk Liners @fresh storm , they're a lot more flexible in terms of niche and price point - you can get a fully kitted-out Gale bulker that also has radar, PD, and secondary guns while still having room for cappers

Container Liners are fun but they really only have the one build (though I haven't seen Cake's 2200pt build Misc mentioned)

[fresh storm]

yeah...

oh also this change to make PD highest power priority is real nice

I can make a ship that only has enough power to either run its PD or the everything else

and because there's no penalty for running out of power in the middle of an action this just works

[wet root]

Just make sure you have power to run radar with your PD

[fresh storm]

D:

bomb shells destroy lifeboats

[supple sonnet]

same with RPF, part of why you should switch to HE when fighting clippers after they start to slow.

[wary flame]

first five minutes of A point in average high skill Neb game

nine completely empty ships dead, A uncaptured

[wet root]

I am getting increasingly tempted to make an RCAP liner that sprints for A, it might be more cost efficient if it can reliably get the cap before dieing

[grand pine]

only shuttles and sprinters?

[olive blade]

it can do okay, its just imo strictly better as a bunch of frigates

[wet root]

I think for the direct fire version the Vaux is reasonable, since you actually use its mobility

But cruise CL is dubious

[olive blade]

I think I'd prefer stealth bombers for direct fire

[wet root]

That's definitely reasonable, especially if you're bringing jamming to cover your strikes anyway

But there's actual tradeoffs to be made there unlike with cruise

[olive blade]

yeah I dunno I think I just really don't value the CL chassis

I'd even prefer CH and a beam on the bottom

I find the CL is kinda vulnerable and spends a lot of points on bits and while the speed is nice, kinda most things can hurt it and it doesn't even get a secondary weapon

[quiet quiver]

I'm tempted to put a few barrels of 250 on Misc's latest and condense the missiles since they're not all full

[supple sonnet]

I do think that in a lot of cases FF(L)'s do the same job as a CL but at a better points coust. Like we have seen a lot of time where 3k of gun vauxen preform far worse then 3k of gunvetts,

[fresh storm]

heh, funny thing - when I included monitors sparsely in larger fleets I was always pleaaantly surprised by their resilence

but when I tried a monitor only fleet they all got disabled in one shot each pretty much

[wary flame]

MNs are tanky unless individually subjected to serious frontline firepower

they're great at holding caps because half the time your average ANS capping corvette literally doesn't have the ability to kill a 450pt DCX monitor

so all it needs to do is tank all the hits or shoot the torps down with 20mm, then grapeshot the offender to death

against beams or serious 450, less good

[wary flame]

the highest praise

(we were playing opposing capfleets)

[grand pine]

how did it go?

[olive blade]

thats always nice

[fresh storm]

what are some other popular/good gamemodes btw

[olive blade]

I think anger in allchat is the best

[fresh storm]

looking at the capture point tag gameplay some rounds devolve into makes me go eeesh

[olive blade]

honestly cap points is the main one people play for a reason

the rest can be fun for a laugh but

[sly glade]

the other ones can kinda get super tedious

tug of war is going to be the mode featured in Conquest battles, but that has the element where it really matters how many of your ships survive and where/how they retreat etc.

[fresh storm]

a decent consolation at least is that most games that turn into completely wrecked ships avoiding each other trying to win by score technicality are ended prematurely by either side surrendering

because enough people realize hey this sucks

[wary flame]

I really love the cap game at present, it's very nice to have the game evolve from banging piles of big ships into each other to this kind of dispersed small-ship war

where both sides are playing around the big frontline forces and trying to clear as much space as possible

[fresh storm]

yeah I just wish the endgame of it wasn't dependent on all players not being stubborn to not drag on with no gameplay happening

in case of a "draw"

[wary flame]

I have seen several actual 1000/1000 same tick draws before

[tulip vault]

it is weird how often that happens, considering how unlikely it is

I've seen like, maybe half a dozen by now?

[tulip vault]

misc I think I need to start playing at the times you do

I'm currently in a game where the only ships apart from my capfleet are torp ocellos or liners

speaking of @wary flame have you made any advancements in defence against the CMD sprinter squadrons?

[supple sonnet]

do killjoys still work with the new arad changes?

[junior heron]

kind of
ARAD seekers now compare jammer power vs. radar emission, so if you turn off radar, yes

[supple sonnet]

oh, also: can you get elint tracks using only one ship?

er, crosshairs, not just tracks in general

[junior heron]

crossfix, no

need 2 lines for that

[supple sonnet]

damn, thought so

[junior heron]

you can lock down the LOB with a bullseye

[supple sonnet]

hm

[junior heron]

and if the target is in range you'll get a lock

[glad aurora]

which faction, OSP or ANS?

[supple sonnet]

ans

[glad aurora]

backpack pinards for CL/CH works, so does 2x pinard corvettes

[supple sonnet]

putting together a rail fleet and was hoping we could put 3 on the sniffer that could get crossfix

that pinard sprinter idea might be good, thinking about it

[glad aurora]

yeah, I think I've seen it as pinard/spyglass in the past

very basic EWR guy you send to hang out in the stratosphere

[junior heron]

i've got a similar fleet

I should update it

[supple sonnet]

ah, no, we were going to shove basically everything into one keystone (intel w/ analysis annex, souped-up spyglass, bullseyes, the works) and have it at front

we could drop the intel idea and just go with the sniffer sprinter tho

[glad aurora]

generally having your intel / spyglass / etc on front is asking for it to get vaporized

[grand pine]

are keystones tanky enough to survive in front?

[supple sonnet]

no, like,,, metaphorically

this is a rail fleet we're gonna be on the verge of retreating

[glad aurora]

intel/pinard/spyglass raines (since that's less expensive than a keystone) usually get shoved behind a rock somewhere and told to Make Tracks Happen

Ah, I see

[supple sonnet]

the retreat line, thing

you can fit intel in a raines?

[junior heron]

nope

destroyer is the smallest it gets

[supple sonnet]

actually,,,, hm

[glad aurora]

That's weird. Could've sworn I'd seen Intel Raines in the past.

[supple sonnet]

i think we might have made everything moot anyway

hold on

er, hm

ships is hard 😔

[grand pine]

moot?

[supple sonnet]

like, moot point

[quiet quiver]

One thing about crossfixes is that the further apart the pinards are (in angle) the more accurate the track you get

IDK if they work from the same ship but I do know if you have two pinards on ships in the same formation the distance estimate will jump up and down a lot

[wary flame]

with a battle rail fleet like that you can just give one of the railstones a bullseye, but if you do want to do elint the traditional method is two corvettes or frigates spread far apart

I used to have that in my capfleet but I ended up tossing it out because the elint pair was not providing the adequate amount of violence per point needed to deal with the OSP small ship waves

basically every ship I have needs to be able to trade for 1d3 shuttles and the sprinter pushing the pinard-sun across the sky all game like the celestial dung beetle doesn't

[formal tiger]

lmao 1d3 shuttles

[wary flame]

starting to think I need reinforced drives on my DDs, this is the fourth consecutive time I've lost the drive before the beam while fighting

this 550-600pt beam DD is a monster though

[tulip vault]

huh

I could see R-drives

the performance might be better than dragonflies as well

[noble zodiac]

yeah especially cuz the PID was tuned to stock drives

[tulip vault]

yeah exactly

I could use the extra speed too...

[wary flame]

fun on perdido

[misty storm]

Terrifying

I do wonder how long it will take for us to see someone suprise beam someone else through a tiny little hole on periditio

Or thread cruise missiles/containers through a tiny hole

[wary flame]

really liking the effect of the mine collision change that means you can lay minefields entirely on the surface of a rock

[tulip vault]

that is pretty rad

[runic torrent]

from a conversation with my cule, this is my love life:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910932283907797012/1199415105830531152/image.png?ex=65c2755d&is=65b0005d&hm=6a12f7b3d118d966c537fdb9ce0d7ade0e72f3589793c12c624052544ff05188&

[wary flame]

many such cases

although I would say that, wouldn't I

I call this screenshot "nononono waitwaitwaitwait"

[tulip vault]

had a pretty good game with this one DD

the other two got owned by the like

2 degrees of elevation defenders don't have

[grand pine]

did ya beam someone? :0

[quiet quiver]

Damage received 0, beam and main thrusters bright orange, nice

[forest star]

rest in peace to those 6 brave crewman who got microwaved in the process

[grand pine]

23k damage dealt? wow that's a lot

[wary flame]

@tulip vault in VC

[tulip vault]

@wary flame

[wary flame]

It is by beam alone I set my game in motion. It is by the focus of particles that beams acquire green, the beams acquire crits, the crits become a warning. It is by beam alone I set my game in motion.

[tulip vault]

damn

nice

[grand pine]

wow, beaming that effects must feel very good

[wary flame]

where's this from?

this poor blue with his no-buff-modules rail/beam CH

[grand pine]

that's a lot of flak

[plain ice]

Nebulous server, poster hall of fame

[grand pine]

can you even get 7 beams in a group?

[plain ice]

Don’t know! Meme funny though

[wary flame]

you can get eight, but they really suck

you can get five reasonably kitted beams or six beam-and-nothing-else DDs if you only want to run beams with proper targeting and buff modules

but most beam DD fleets are three beams for a reason

if you want to push through any amount of open space with them you need ewar support and good PD, since beams are made of glass

the backline capfleet beam DDs are 550-600pt monsters only because they don't buy much if any of that and just concentrate on sheer single ship ambush potential

you can't push with them

[bitter furnace]

Yeah and you really don’t need more than a few beams on one target anyway, they kill things so quick. Better off investing in tools to get into range in the first place

[wary flame]

I think that two or three backline beams can basically lock down a map anyway, using them as 3000pt frontline fleets is a waste of their incredible potential to turn a given map into Verdun for less than 2k.

I've lost games to one beam DD and one beam CA denying A, C and D on pillars simultaneously for the entire match

just killed an entire torp bulker with a 500pt beam DD, would have got a second one if it didn't have cruise torpedoes that it TRPed into me from around the rock I was using as cover while I rotated

[supple sonnet]

Cruise CMD torps?!

[glad aurora]

actually insane tech

[olive blade]

thats pretty sick

[wary flame]

at that point you kind of have to bow to superior editorfu

won the match on caps handily but damn

dangerous forbidden technique, TRP a missile with a 5km maximum range

[olive blade]

honestly

given how much people will focus a torp bulker or monitor when it shows

I think its not silly at all

I think another rteason to have 3 beamers is that you really want good vision

you need to not get jumped and be properly aligned for all targets

[quiet quiver]

How nice a beamstone do you get at 750?

[tulip vault]

very nice

my premium jamming ones are about 800 each

[glad aurora]

back in the day mine were 650, they'd probably be 700 now with modern ewar

[wary flame]

my standard issue cap defence beamstone is well under 600, I wouldn't go any lower unless I was really sure my anti-rocket shuttle defence net was tight

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Cleric Capfleet SAK' is composed of 8 ships that cost 3000 points:

Cleric of Jagganoth : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD Sensor]
  Cleric Of Solomon : 'Raines' class Frigate [Missile PD Sensor EWar]
           Penitent : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
          Mendicant : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
            Templar : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
        Hospitaller : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
             Deacon : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
          Sacrifice : 'Sprinter' class Corvette []
```This fleet uses 7 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
      SGM-111 Currency Conversion : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
         SGM-200 Cantaloupe Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [7pts]
           SGM-H-211 Puffin Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [11pts]
           SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APT : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [18pts]
           SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APV : DIRECT - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [17pts]
               SGT-358 Gom Jabbar : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [9pts]

[glad aurora]

Basic CIC makes me twitch

[supple sonnet]

she has tow of them it's fine

two*

[grand pine]

wait you can have more than 1 cic?!

[wary flame]

double basic and aux steering padding generally keeps it upright longer than only one RCIC

[grand pine]

is it cheaper than reinforced?

[wary flame]

yes, by 5pts

15pts more expensive if you count the two aux steerings but those are in there to add HP rather than actually be CIC substitutes

[tulip vault]

hey <@&942093958551588904> anyone feel like a pubulous?

[grand pine]

I'd like to join if you don't mind

[tulip vault]

I wouldn't have pinged the role if I minded people joining :)

I am in activity 1

[wet root]

Alas, I have workulous

[tulip vault]

a damn shame

[night fable]

It's Wednesday, and that means more weekly viewer games in NEBULOUS: Fleet Command!

https://www.twitch.tv/docvivileandra <@&942093958551588904>

[bitter furnace]

Hey PilotNET peeps, please excuse the self plug - I’ve been working on a huge project for the last few months and it’s finally done now, and I think some of the newer players in here especially might find it interesting 🙂
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3129262667

[glad aurora]

This seems really fun with the minor exception of a pre-set fleet being mandatory.

[bitter furnace]

@glad aurora technical limitation, unfortunately. I’m using the framework laid down by the game’s tutorials

[noble zodiac]

it also probably wouldn't work as a tutorial without preset fleets

[glad aurora]

Yeah, I was looking at it through the lens of a campaign instead of as an OSP tutorial.

That said, definitely understandable on the limitation.

[noble zodiac]

fair !

[quiet quiver]

Oh wow, nice

This is honestly really cool

[quiet quiver]

I actually don't mind it, it puts me in the mind of historical wargame scenarios where you're seeing how you do compared to how a battle actually went

[rigid bison]

it's really nice as a narrative-ized tutorial for the OSP and common gameplay scenarios
(spoilers)
||such as getting jumped by bemestones when Ocelloing||

[glad aurora]

Fair enough! I can definitely see the appeal.

[junior heron]

I have managed ||to get the Bulk Liner structure broken in the second mission.||

||for the record, this is its DC board||

[tulip vault]

Amazing

Im very excited to try this out

[junior heron]

0 systems broken, structured

i am not meant to play ships with guns

I am meant to play ships with beams

[glad aurora]

osp beam monitors when

[forest star]

we have beams at home

beams at home: rockets

[wary flame]

Beams at home is plasma/100

which is incredibly brutal these days

[rigid bison]

"don't bring your EWR boat too close to the dueling Ocello" (clueless)

[wary flame]

Bulk mag and PCC are interesting picks here

[junior heron]

PCC lets it run the EWR and regular radar at the same time I assume

[wary flame]

Probably lose nothing from going to reinforced mag, at least

[junior heron]

gonna guess reinforced mag puts it over

and for a tutorial ship, probably don't want the ship to lose power during its regular functions

[wet root]

Rmag is free though

Oh wait power

[wary flame]

Reinforced mag is the first thing to power off and suffers no downsides from being underpower

So the power cost is fake

[wet root]

Where it technically isn't free but is actually free

[wary flame]

but if this is the tutorial campaign then it's obviously fine

[quiet quiver]

It's rare for that -10 to actually make a diff too, but y'know legit

[wary flame]

As far as I know it literally can't

since it doesn't need power to function and powers off before anything actually important

It's just false advertising

[grand pine]

why does it have a power cost then

[wary flame]

Damned if I know

[quiet quiver]

I mean the diff between yelling at you or not

[grand pine]

i don't like when crew is yelling at me but they usually yell at me :(

[wet root]

Presumably because it will eventually have an effect

Much like crew

[grand pine]

damn I wish I could play a game of nebulous right now :(

[bitter furnace]

Lmao, I assume that was a lucky hit from ||size 3 hybrids||

[bitter furnace]

all of the ships in this campaign are highly cursed and crafted for the campaign first, multiplayer second. In this case, newbies should feel the durability difference between a tugboat and a cruiser, so the tugboat is intentionally squishy
small spoiler ||in one mission I even fitted a couple ships with Prowlers to drive home a point about ewar||

[junior heron]

||not even, I think I was just taking AP through a void section all game||

[bitter furnace]

huh

guess that's a consequence of firing AP at bulkers

unfortunately the game's AI doesn't know how to switch ammo, so I have to give them the one ammo type that broadly works best against the player's fleet

[glad aurora]

Huh. I didn't realize that.

[junior heron]

fair

[bitter furnace]

hehehehehe a very much deserved L, she warned you not to do it

poor Trespassers

[tulip vault]

hey @wary flame if you're actually still watching, were the defenders broken on the solly before the mines hit or did it just run out of ammo?

[wary flame]

was not watching but the magazine has plenty of ammo left so presumably it was disabled somehow

[tulip vault]

makes sense

guess the gunfire did do something

[tulip vault]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone feel like a boat?

[supple sonnet]

I mean, yea, but actually, no

[misty storm]

I can hop on in a sec

[tulip vault]

if we don't have enough folks for a full stack I think I might pass, sorry

[misty storm]

Yeah fair

[tulip vault]

hopefully another time though :)

[rigid bison]

ig I can pubulous

[wet root]

Still a couple hours too early for Nebneb for me, alas

[tulip vault]

ice crystal is an incredibly dumb map

[junior heron]

yes

you playing more?

[arctic magnet]

threw together a beam fleet with 3 DDs and some support ships

fleet is the beams, EWAR frig, and 2 torp corvettes

can't post fleet file since I'm bored at work

kinda wondering about the value of the torp ships or if I should try investing harder in direct support for the DDs, like a second EWAR boat, or PD frigates

also wondering how useful 120s on beam DDs are, stuck three double 120s on two of the DDs on the logic that I had some spare points and they might help with fighting shuttles and tugs and also can shoot RPF at missiles

[olive blade]

I think if you have spare slots they are economical

they also block bullets

[wary flame]

54k game of beme

pyrope took all the fire for the twenty minutes after the first CL went down, which helps

[tulip vault]

damn

nice

[fresh storm]

I love the AI

[mint sinew]

Beam DDs are really good at punching above their weight so I personally wouldn't bother rounding a formation up to your whole 3k.

If you've got points left over once you have a solid fighting force bolstering your team's supply of cap, scout and backline defense is a great use of points. So I'd say keeping the torp sprinters is great. If you can use them to take points early you force the other team to make more aggressive plays which should help your beams find better engagements.

[wet root]

The 120s are nice if you get ambushed by Tugs or Shuttles, since they can reposition fast enough you have trouble bringing your beam to bear. Been considering swapping them out for missiles on mine though.

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Keystone Sniper&Support BER' is composed of 5 ships that cost 3000 points:

         Judgement : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Gun Sensor PD]
     Page of Wands : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail PD Sensor]
      Five of Cups : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail PD Sensor]
Eight of Pentacles : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail PD Sensor]
        Temperance : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Sensor PD]

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Keystone Sniper&Support BER' is composed of 5 ships that cost 3000 points:

         Judgement : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Gun Sensor PD]
     Page of Wands : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail PD Sensor]
      Five of Cups : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail PD Sensor]
Eight of Pentacles : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Rail PD Sensor]
        Temperance : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Sensor PD]

[supple sonnet]

we've made. a bad fleet?

possibly

maybe

[quiet quiver]

Hmm. I think I'm mostly mixed about judgement and temperance

IDK, not a type of fleet I'm experienced with

[wet root]

I'm not sure how much value the double GPCs bring, don't rails have exceptional accuracy baseline?

[glad aurora]

I bring one GPC on my railcello because it's got three of them to coordinate

Can't see bringing one, much less two, on a spinal rail

[wet root]

I do like the supercorrelated Spyglass, though I might personally swap the side Pinards for a nose one just because it's so easy to aim

[junior heron]

completely unrelated to the fleet, what determines the [number] of [thing]

[wary flame]

This fleet has a few too many Pinards and a severe shortage of serious offensive weaponry, since rails are debuffing weapons, they don't seriously kill things on their own

Pinards don't actually give you data worth shooting at, you generally want two or three of them spread wide around the map edges to find things to point bullseyes and such at, especially enemy scouts

so having a bunch of them right in the backline in a cluster of rail DDs isnt too handy

[rigid bison]

haven't seen many structure breaks, especially on bulkers

[quiet quiver]

All five are tarot cards, judgement and temperance are major arcana and the other three are minor. I don’t know the specific symbology of the cards chosen

[runic torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx5-tirUz4c

[fresh storm]

mildly insane thought - can C90 monitors joust beam keystones?

wondering who ends up worse if both fire at the same time at max range

[tulip vault]

having engaged in a c90 keystone brawl

it's a real tossup, but I think now even more heavily in favour of the beam DDs

if you have an ocello or a good bloodhound the calculus might change, but if the beam DDs jump out within 6k the monitors are going to have a horrid day

(the first part assumes you're fighting from the c90's max range)

I do not think 600mm is a particularly effective beam counter, in short

especially given that DDs can just mount the good EWAR

[olive blade]

the beams beat everything

[wary flame]

Beams can sometimes lose to plasma/100, since it tends to erode the spinal very quickly indeed

[tulip vault]

@radiant sable thanks for the game :)

[radiant sable]

[tulip vault]

40 crewmembers died in the amazon handling warehouse

[fresh storm]

safe shift all things considered

[quiet quiver]

Hahaha WTF

Also only 1k dealt

[noble zodiac]

and 0 recieved

[quiet quiver]

Were they flank speeding with no DC? IDK what else it could be

[tulip vault]

@junior heron

[lime jungle]

SGM-208 Brysgyll is a size 2 missile that costs 10 points.

[wicked mirage]

@radiant sable Hey Sylv! Here's the file you were interested in, I made an updated version of Yang after that last game. She still has 4 drives in the form of 2 big Dragons and 2 small Whips, and instead of AMM's just has giga softkill and some defenders, which gave her enough points for some of the most incredibly expensive and powerful S3H's I've ever created xD

As well she's got 21 DC Teams, 13 Restores, and 2x DCC's + 1 Workshop so she has honestly incredible damage control.

Oh, and she also has a 3rd Beam now. Do note that she only has enough power to operate a 3rd Beam or her Discoballs and PD at a time, not both at once. So be careful

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Yang Xiao-Long {BB}' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:

Yang Xiao-Long : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam PD EWar Sensor]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
    SGM-H-3-6 HEAT CRASH : DIRECT - CMD/PSV(EO) - HE SHAPED [59pts]
SGM-H-3-7 INFERNO CELICA : DIRECT - CMD/PSV(EO) - HEKP [77pts]

[wicked mirage]

Warheads for the S3H's are size 6 with Cluster Decoys, and are as fast as I can make them at about 800 m/s with Weave while still having 4km stage range. Shoot them at anything that's the size of a Monitor or bigger ^^

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Cleric Capfleet SAK' is composed of 8 ships that cost 3000 points:

Cleric of Jagganoth : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD Sensor]
  Cleric Of Solomon : 'Raines' class Frigate [Sensor Missile PD]
           Penitent : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
          Mendicant : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
            Templar : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
        Hospitaller : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
             Deacon : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
          Sacrifice : 'Sprinter' class Corvette []
```This fleet uses 7 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
      SGM-111 Currency Conversion : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
         SGM-200 Cantaloupe Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [7pts]
           SGM-H-211 Puffin Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [11pts]
           SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APT : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [18pts]
           SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APV : DIRECT - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [17pts]
               SGT-358 Gom Jabbar : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [9pts]

[wary flame]

Current ANS capfleet for those who partake

Act/[CMD] torps for chaff shuttles and targets without pavise, Act/[CMD] S3H for pavise shuttles, Arad/Act S3H for firing at bellbird shuttles or into jamming against shuttle wings to shut it down

those need a little bit of work to increase the stage range

[noble zodiac]

YANG YANG YANG YANG YANG

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/825471121888378900.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[wicked mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-rwby-yang-freezerburn-yang-xiao-long-yang-wink-gif-23291948

[runic torrent]

hey you guys opening the boat night channels <@&942093958551588904>

[supple sonnet]

I think we will be passing on baots today, as we are feeling a bit under the weather

[olive blade]

I'll be on in a moment

[wet root]

I'll be on for game 2

[fresh storm]

I'll get on a little later

[wicked mirage]

I'll be on in about 15-20 mins!

[junior heron]

running a bit late, around in 5

[junior heron]

we have yet again assembled an entire extra team made entirely of spectators

[minor raven]

@wicked mirage @wary flame Will yall be playing another?

[wicked mirage]

maybe!

Depend on how long this one takes

[junior heron]

@fresh storm have you crashed completely?

[fresh storm]

my PC froze at spawning fleets

[junior heron]

it does that sometimes

[fresh storm]

oh it's back

I think

hold up let me see if I can forxe the game into true fullscreen

shouls help

ah yes

steam webhelper is using up more memory than the game

epic

[junior heron]

ah yeah that problem

[wet root]

Disabling the Steam Overlay in game might help with that

[fresh storm]

[wicked mirage]

@wet root @wary flame

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Mixed Nuts (Mine+Intel+Cap)' is composed of 7 ships that cost 3000 points:

Brazil Nut : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Missile Gun PD]
  Chestnut : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD]
    Walnut : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD]
  Hazelnut : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [PD Sensor]
    Peanut : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
    Cashew : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
    Almond : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 2 different missile types:
```yaml
SGT-348 Heartseeker : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [10pts]
  SGT-349 Fire Moth : DIRECT - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [9pts]

[lime jungle]

Fleet '07 - IP04 Shipyard Special' is composed of 6 ships that cost 3000 points:

The Bogus Biped : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun Ewar Sensor]
     Kelp Prone : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Plasma PD]
  The Mum Lobby : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD EWar]
 The Waste Buck : 'Cargo Feeder' class Monitor [Gun PD EWar]
     Breed Rude : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Rocket Missile PD]
The Smart Birth : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Sensor Missile PD]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
 SGM-100 Breaker Flip : DIRECT - HOJ(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-101 Wrong Address : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
      SGM-200 Tempest : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE)/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [6pts]

[fresh storm]

any game that names my ship "The Mum Lobby" is 10/10 btw

dwarf fortress level name

[junior heron]

did Bogus Biped randomly generate too?

because that's also excellent

[fresh storm]

yeah

they're all random

[lime jungle]

'Minesweeper EX (Scout+Picket)' is a 'Raines' class Frigate that costs 475 points.

[wicked mirage]

Spyglass Scout + Signature Boost EWAR

Can boost up the sigs of Mines and take them down at about 5km - 6km

[topaz jolt]

Hii hi, I see boat night going brrr

[wicked mirage]

Yeah!

Join in if you want!~

[topaz jolt]

I make Nebulous go brrr

I think team 2 has less peoples, so I zooom into their voice chat.

I be guessing there is a game currenting being played.

Eeeps, I do a little rain check

Have fun playing

[wicked mirage]

Here's a non crew cheese version /w chaff box & barebones offensive capability btw.

[lime jungle]

'Minesweeper EX (Scout+Picket)' is a 'Raines' class Frigate that costs 475 points.

[wicked mirage]

This one has slightly less boosting capability so you'll have to shave off about 500m of Minesweeping range, but 4.5km to 5.5km is still pretty good ^^

Notably, this can also be achieved albeit slower with RPF, but this way it can also help vs Containers and the like.

[quiet quiver]

Choose your fighter

[junior heron]

I will choose the secret 3rd fighter, box boat

which had a similar DC board by the end

[wet root]

I like the almost 10x damage repaired on the Brain Genius

[quiet quiver]

Box boat actually got shot at, unlike this beam solly

[olive blade]

people fired torps at it

just none reached it

and I think some containers

[junior heron]

I think I launched one volley on it

then lost track

[wet root]

Did anyone actually fire torps at it? I think I fired some blind SAH torps to scare the Vauxes that went past and towards the Brain Genius

But those weren't ever going to hit anything, I just wanted to convince the Vauxes to shoot my Monitor instead of my Tug

[wary flame]

don't think so

chronic lack of lurking beams

despite 2/3 of the ANS fleet being beams and beam accessories

[oak shell]

You succeeded in scaring the vauxes

[wet root]

I have now put a couple volleys of ACT torps in there so next time I can hopefully do a bit more than that lol

[wary flame]

I am actually seriously considering torptugs with an illuminator for CMD/SAH but the mount cost becomes prohibitive

[wet root]

Illuminators/PD/EWAR/FCR: Choose One

[wary flame]

I am currently thinking 2x torp launcher, 2x pavise and gun, and then guiding CMD torps with Bridgemaster, but then jamming screws me

unless I set up mixed launch for Act/[CMD] and ARAD/ACT at the start of the game for each tug, which would allow Huntress

[tulip vault]

I did

[olive blade]

I'm not sure what the 2x torp launcher gets you

I guess the mixed launch

[quiet quiver]

Or big volleys for hitting CH or BB

But if you’re short on mounts you def don’t need both

It feels like a luxury

[wet root]

2x torp launchers is pretty important if you want them to be able to operate independently IMO

4x corktorps does a lot more than 2x against Vauxes and Axfords

[wary flame]

Two torp launchers lets them mess up anything, and is still cheaper than an MMT because you're not paying for jamming, but one probably does it if you don't get softkilled

[olive blade]

thats fair I thought you mostly were hunting smaller ships here

[olive blade]

does anyone have the correctly sized version of the vinny admiral badge

I keep trying to do it but it packs a sad

[oak shell]

Zipped because I think Discord compression will damage it

[olive blade]

cheers

[grand pine]

when next boat night? and would it be normal one or randomised?

[oak shell]

1 week from the last boat night, and I expect normal boat night

[tulip vault]

spotted in the wild

[grand pine]

woah what's this

[tulip vault]

after some games of testing, torp MMTs with two launchers feel very good

I was able to splash pairs of torp sprinters with just one, and I still had enough points for an overwatch S2 MMT per cap shuttle

[lime jungle]

Fleet '3.0k - OSP Cap Tron' is composed of 9 ships that cost 3000 points:

 Heliwr o'r Meirw : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile EWar Gun Sensor PD]
   Blaenor o Llid : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile EWar Gun Sensor PD]
Dim ond a Murddun : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile EWar Gun Sensor PD]
    Marchog Cywir : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile Gun Sensor PD]
    Marchog Anwir : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile Gun Sensor PD]
  Marchog Dialgar : 'Tugboat' class Clipper [Missile Gun Sensor PD]
           Celain : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
      Rhosyn Marw : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
 Arfaeth Terfynol : 'Shuttle' class Clipper [Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 4 different missile types:
```yaml
   SGM-123 Aderyn Ryhfedd : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
SGM-132 Fflowlyn Block IV : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
         SGM-208 Brysgyll : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [10pts]
      SGT-301 Ebargofiant : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [15pts]

[tulip vault]

I think the S2s could weave harder but otherwise

I'm very happy with this fleet

[wary flame]

went for the bulk mags I see

I was just designing a one that fired either two volleys of three or one of four and one of two, to keep it cheap and reasonably tanky

[tulip vault]

bulk mags are a bit greedy but I think you get a lot out of the salvo depth

[wary flame]

374pts with bulk mags and 8 torpedoes

probably workable

I ditched the pinpoint for a pavise and gave it an Ithaca

[tulip vault]

yeah that is the other thing, dropping the bridgemaster and pinpoint on the torp tugs

I think cmd val should work well enough off a sub-4k bridgemaster track

[radiant sable]

hey! not sure if you want this feedback, but we figured out some ways to improve this a little, maybe?

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Solomon Beams P-LUT-CMDEO' is composed of 1 ship which costs 3000 points:

Yang Xiao-Long : 'Solomon' class Battleship [Beam PD Missile EWar Sensor]
```This fleet uses 3 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-166 No Thank You, Please : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [2pts]
        SGM-H-3-6 HEAT CRASH : DIRECT - CMD/PSV(EO) - HE SHAPED [59pts]
    SGM-H-3-7 INFERNO CELICA : DIRECT - CMD/PSV(EO) - HEKP [77pts]

[supple sonnet]

the biggest things we changed was to swap out the tls-3 for a cls-3, since the turreted missile launchers tend not to fire if they can't get the target dead on beforehand. it's majorly helpful for taking some strain off the need to have targets directly across its firing arc, or if you end up dead in the water and couldn't even if you wanted to

there's also the swap of one reinforced dc for a pcc, which lets you run everything everwhere all at once

(although you could just change that not bother with changing the s3 launcher, since the only time it (or things like the defenders/vls-1s) draws power is when it's actively being used, so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

oh, and we need to give this a fancy major arcana name too

[grand pine]

do you have wheel of fortune yet?

[supple sonnet]

we don't, although we were tempted to go with the moon or the world

,,,,,,,, we should probably keep it as the hanged man, since we're putting this one in our solomon beams lineup -,-

[wary flame]

the 77pt HEKP is certainly a play

I think that's the first time I've seen a missile that is literally more expensive than the shuttle you might hypothetically hit with it

[supple sonnet]

it came with the fleet

please forward complaints to pyrope

[wary flame]

I'm aware, just damn, that's a steep budget

need to revive my old instastage HEKP now there are so many goddamn monitors

[supple sonnet]

we should probably take a peek at our old axford shipkiller build, thinking about that

[radiant sable]

think we've got it into a shape

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Shipkiller PUR-CMD' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

The Fool : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun Missile PD EWar]
The Star : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD Sensor EWar]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-H-334 Stiletto : DIRECT - CMD - HEKP [46pts]

[radiant sable]

ack, one change

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Axford Shipkiller PUR-CMD' is composed of 2 ships that cost 3000 points:

The Fool : 'Axford' class Heavy Cruiser [Gun Missile PD EWar]
The Star : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD Sensor EWar]
```This fleet uses only one missile type:
```yaml
SGM-H-334 Stiletto : DIRECT - CMD - HEKP [46pts]

[grand pine]

46 points of missile, woah

[glad aurora]

I'm rather amused by the fact that I name my fleets after the major arcana and Sylv names their ships

[wary flame]

46pt HEKP is pretty reasonable

[wet root]

You can get 7 torps in an rmag if you only bring 500 100mm ammo, my tugs bring a salvo of 4 corktorps and a salvo of 3 finishers

[wary flame]

hell of a middie count today

[sharp crow]

midshipman neb, nominative determinism at work once again

[olive blade]

it is the noob friendly server

after all

[wet root]

WAKE[ACT] S2 verdict: Very bad against large formations, actually pretty decent against single targets

Awkward that a good salvo stops your target from being a valid target though

[mint sinew]

I'm assuming these were cruise missiles or are you sneaking direct S2s into a rear arc?

[wet root]

Direct, but this was testing, I could see using cruise

Direct on a Tug or Raines might be good for scout hunting though

[runic torrent]

The mascot https://fxtwitter.com/ThijsThijsBaby/status/1751973582056399267?s=20

[tulip vault]

Omg

Il est parfait 👌

I also must ask what 10000 year old james bond milf means

[runic torrent]

That's a good question

[sharp crow]

it's a quote from a tamsyn muir interview where she describes one of her characters as a ten thousand year old james bond milf with attachment issues

[sly glade]

That does sound like a Tamsyn Muir thing to say, from everything I've seen

[sharp crow]

she's truly fantastic

[tulip vault]

I see

But is james bond the milf

Or is it a milf as one would appear in a bond film

Asking the hard hitting questions here

[sharp crow]

you can read her books and find out.

[tulip vault]

True

I should read them at some point

I get negative zoomer cred for not having done so

[sharp crow]

they're genuinely really good

they'll also permanently alter your vocabulary, gideon the ninth came out in 2019 and I still have phrases bouncing around in my head from that book

[wary flame]

I had a long-standing aversion to those books and a couple of others created by friends who would post massive strings of fanfic and yuri art from them at me when I had absolutely zero interest in such

[tulip vault]

As all good books do

[wary flame]

once this stopped for a bit I actually read them and they were good

same thing with Signalis, actually

was very funny to have to sit down with some dear friends and go "please stop sending me yuri all the time as a way to socialise, it's a bit odd and not actually how I work since I am not an online trans lesbian"

[sharp crow]

in many cases the source material and the fan material are nothing alike

[wary flame]

especially with Signalis, I noticed

but yeah, the particular way the fan stuff manifested in that instance quite put me off trying the actual media

[glad aurora]

i love toxic yuri in tlt my sibling in christ the story is about toxic heterosexuality

(I will not elaborate on this)

[runic torrent]

that does kinda sound badass

[olive blade]

yeah fanworks and source material are often completely and utterly different

[tulip vault]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone feel like a game of boats?

it's like game of thrones but not at all

[olive blade]

Nebulous: Capture Points of Ascension

[tulip vault]

so true

[sharp crow]

hellbless sprinters with torpedoes

[tulip vault]

my axford with no hardkill is indeed the equivalent of a hellbless

[tulip vault]

well, the game I just played was really brutal

I played cap fleet on ANS with 3 blues

everyone died very quick except the cap fleet

we won, but only my rearguard beam DD survived

AMMs kicked some rocket's ass though

[wary flame]

Sticking a bunch of mines in a guntug with AMMs and two Pavises has been very good at annoying my cap vettes, I'm going to try that

Good way to get a tough roving capper and some utility

[mint sinew]

I'm seeing more people running token mines on light ships to decent effect. It's certainly annoying if nothing else

[quiet quiver]

There's been a lot of discussion of if mines need buffs in bal-con the last few days, so I wonder if people are giving them a shot

[dire harness]

mines :D

[supple sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/phineasandferb-phineas-ferb-notyet-notyetferb-gif-17986942

^ misc @ us tonight

[runic torrent]

https://fxtwitter.com/buitengebieden/status/1751861333291614708 sarissa irl

[wet root]

KKV Container impacts unsuspecting ANS Sprinter (478 IY, colourized)

[dire harness]

adorable 🥰

[wary flame]

Attempts at making mine/gun tugs have indicated that the big problem is needing a bulk mag

Unless I go for cursed double magazine tugboat

[tulip vault]

I think bulk mags are a sorta okay concession to make

I don’t really think there’s a way to make tugs resistant to the single missile which makes the reactor fall out anyways

At least in terms of DC

And that knocks the ship out just as well as losing the mag

[wary flame]

true, and 325pt mine/guntugs are still very cheap

I can only get five tugs, one obelisk and one escort shuttle into a half-cap list but if you go 3000pts of caps you can easily max out on tugs and rocket shuttles

[tulip vault]

My 3k is at 9 ships right now

[wary flame]

I'm at 7 but they're all pretty tooled up and one is an 1150pt obelisk bulker with intel

[tulip vault]

Huh

I kinda like thst

[tulip vault]

<@&942093958551588904> anyone for a pub?

[wary flame]

sure, I can do some pubbing

[lime jungle]

Fleet 'Cleric Capfleet Bombers' is composed of 7 ships that cost 3000 points:

Cleric of Jagganoth : 'Keystone' class Destroyer [Beam PD Sensor]
   Cleric Of Mammon : 'Raines' class Frigate [Sensor Missile PD]
  Cleric Of Solomon : 'Raines' class Frigate [Sensor Missile PD]
           Penitent : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
          Mendicant : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
            Templar : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
        Hospitaller : 'Sprinter' class Corvette [Missile Gun PD]
```This fleet uses 7 different missile types:
```yaml
SGM-101 Ceremonial Arming Missile : DIRECT - PSV(WAKE) - HE SHAPED [1pts]
      SGM-111 Currency Conversion : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR) - HE FRAG [3pts]
         SGM-200 Cantaloupe Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [7pts]
           SGM-H-211 Puffin Slots : DIRECT - CMD/SAH(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [11pts]
           SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APT : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [18pts]
         SGM-H-389 Fishtail-APV-L : DIRECT - ARAD(RADAR)/ACT(RADAR) - HE SHAPED [18pts]
               SGT-358 Gom Jabbar : DIRECT - ACT(RADAR)/[CMD] - HE SHAPED [9pts]

[grand pine]

sorry for poor performance, trying the uuh mass driver liner without radar was bad idea :(

[wary flame]

no, that's pretty standard, you can more or less just hang out at the back

but we didn't have vision over there so it was an exposed spot

[wary flame]

normal lobby

[noble zodiac]

HELL CRINGE

[tulip vault]

5 rear admirals isn’t too many

[fresh storm]

HELL CRINGE

[wet root]

But the 6th, that's just excessive

[wary flame]

we brought 310 mines and won

mine all mine

[wary flame]

@tulip vault middie left, get back in

we're in Team Diamonds, nebcord

[wary flame]

RPS Neb review

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/nebulous-fleet-command-is-the-hardcore-version-of-homeworld-i-didnt-know-i-wanted

Which one of you people bullied the games journalist with hybrids

[glad aurora]

I plead the "what else was I supposed to do, not fire six HEKP at the middie," officer.

[tulip vault]

Start of the second paragraph has immediately sniped me

What do you mean command missiles are the least dangerous