Baldur's Gate 3 | Pilot NET | Page 18

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:47 AM

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my durge just had the goblin kiss her foot

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 12:47 AM

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What does suck toes mean in this context

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Oh

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:47 AM

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sucking on toes clearly

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our cleric did more than kiss those things

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:47 AM

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and then I put wyverntoxin in the brew

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:48 AM

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she got a ring off that guy with her mouth

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that's sucking toes

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:48 AM

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I just stabbed him

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:48 AM

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actually do i refer to the gender of the character or the player in this situation

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i feel like the character is more appropriate

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since it's them doing the thing

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but my friend playing the character is a dude

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also it wasn't a cleric, he plays a rogue, i'm the cleric

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he played a cleric in our first run so i remembered it wrong

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:49 AM

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btw

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why is the durge items so rogue coded

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while the default durge is a sorcerer

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:49 AM

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no idea

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:50 AM

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I mean invis on kill is a nice oon no matter the class

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but the knife is pretty much only useful to a rogue

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:50 AM

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yeah

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:52 AM

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also the slayer form is basically useless for a sorcerer lmao

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:52 AM

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default durge is a bum clearly

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 12:53 AM

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safe jungle while the default durge is a sorcerer

Baahl isn't the smartest

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The game is about how Baahl is 1/3rd of the comedy trio death gods

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Either Jergal was very good at his former job, or it takes 3 of their brains to match 1 sensible God.

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:55 AM

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I could kill Orin basically effortlessly in bg3

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the moment she slayer formed

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she's got 10 wisdom score as a slayer

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and hold monster is a wisdom check

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:56 AM

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neon junco Baahl isn't the smartest

maybe Bhaal is the bum

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wel

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i say maybe

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Bhaal is canonically the bum

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:56 AM

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bhaal is literally a murderhobo

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 12:56 AM

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She has no legendary resistance iirc or of she does it sucks

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:56 AM

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my GOAT Withers said so

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:56 AM

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safe jungle bhaal is literally a murderhobo

real and true

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straight up disappointment of a god

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:57 AM

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she's got no elgendary resistance

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even in honor mode

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she only gets a new attack

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 12:57 AM

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It's funny the original lore was the dead 3 were just dudes and made it to Jergal and was like "we're here to steal godhood from you" and Jergal mocked them saying they wouldn't even get close then just gave his godhood to them for reasons(?)

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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single upcast of hold monster with any decently oosted spell dc renders her mostly harmless unless she crit succeeds her save

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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neon junco It's funny the original lore was the dead 3 were just dudes and made it to Jerga...

bored

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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Which, based, the dead 3 as a great bit

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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Jergal actually just doesn't give a shit

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he thought maybe the three bums could do something interesting about it

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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jergal was just happy to dump his responsibilities to them

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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clearly he was fucking wrong

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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yeah

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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which is why Kelemvor is handling things now

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 12:58 AM

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he found their ambitions very boring

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 12:59 AM

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he even says so in a scene

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idr if i got to see that on my main run but i saw a vid of it on yt

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completely roasts them for sucking absolute shit and essentially goes "good riddance"

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but yeah Jergal just doesn't want to do his job

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which is why he keeps giving his mantle to other people

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he's sorta just chilling acting as the Seneschal for other people while they do his job

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i kinda respect it ngl

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bro got mad bored, foisted his job on the first jackass to try to rob his house, and is sorta just chillin

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 1:04 AM

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safe jungle he found their ambitions very boring

It'd be fitting, not only did the dead 3 disappoint at their domain, but they disappointed as a funny bit

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 1:04 AM

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he did get other people taking up the job after the dead three

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since they lost their positions

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iirc it's Kelemvor who i mentioned earlier who is doing it rn

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 1:05 AM

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But who will the the BBEG of baldurs date 4

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 1:23 AM

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Whos the god of murder now

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 1:23 AM

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no idea actually

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Kelemvor is the god of Death though

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think he got all threes domains

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considering they all got godhood off of Jergal

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i think he is directly doing the same thing as Myrkul though, but better

soft tundra Apr 28, 2025, 1:26 AM

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i adore that Minthara's evil is very goal-oriented; its the kind of evil you can work with in a party

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 1:26 AM

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Oh apparently Bhall is still the god of murder

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Just very much weakened

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Barely even a god

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 1:27 AM

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pathetic little loser baby

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Myrkul at least got completely deposed

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i actually just don't care to find out what happened to Bane

charred niche Apr 28, 2025, 1:28 AM

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Myrkul never really seemed to have any real goals

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Got the stick he was chasing with Godhood and then was just kind of around

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 1:29 AM

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yeah

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 1:31 AM

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He got godhood and immediately started using it to troll people

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 1:31 AM

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he got the boot now anyhow

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 1:31 AM

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By appearing at funerals to remind people that THEY WERE NEXT

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 1:31 AM

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lmao

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 1:32 AM

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nice guy

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Must’ve been a real hoot at parties

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Anyways faith in the gods is basically enforced pretty strongly

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It’s basically the one rule enforced by the top god

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Which I don’t know how I feel about

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God says that afterlife for the faithless must suck shit because otherwise people wouldn’t believe in the gods

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 1:33 AM

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oh yeah forgot to mention but my character is a Selûnite cleric as well as a druid

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 1:34 AM

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So all faithless people get literally fed to the wall

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 1:34 AM

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yeah that sounds kind of ass

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Which presumably didn’t even exist before Myrkul built it

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So what’s up with the wall suddenly being so necessary to pressure the faithless

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When things were working fine before Myrkul erected it

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(Although I suppose in bg3 Jergal mentions that faithless wander the fugue planes for eternity)

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Which I guess isn’t as bad but still sucks

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 2:02 AM

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Gale was real MVP of act II final boss

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Power of a god is no match

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For a potion of speed

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And spamming fireballs

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After drinking a nice potion of necrotic resistance

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 2:04 AM

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i think our Paladin was on boss one-shot mode by that point

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 2:05 AM

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soft tundra i adore that Minthara's evil is very _goal-oriented_; its the kind of evil you c...

She's got goals and ambitions, she doesn't need to be weighed down by societal expectations

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 2:06 AM

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safe jungle Gale was real MVP of act II final boss

I thought you were going to say power of a god (absolute) is no match for big boom

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 2:07 AM

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5 big booms for Myrkul

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:08 AM

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safe jungle Anyways faith in the gods is basically enforced pretty strongly

Nope, Wall of the Faithless has been removed from the setting

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 2:08 AM

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yippeee

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fuck you Myrkul you suck

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:10 AM

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safe jungle God says that afterlife for the faithless must suck shit because otherwise peopl...

Also, fun fact, this is actually a misconception: in the source material, Myrkul put up the wall in the first place because he sucks, and on his death Kelemvor decided to keep it up because of Extremely Protestant Angst

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 2:11 AM

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i do like the idea of Myrkul doing it cause he was shit at his job

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:11 AM

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Oh he was very good at his job

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 2:11 AM

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i think murkul did it out of sadism

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:11 AM

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He was just, you know, horrible

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 2:11 AM

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that also makes sense

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:12 AM

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The gods of evil brought Kelemvor up on trial before Ao, not over the wall existing but because he was favoring the good and neutral for afterlife purposes (and I think maybe not giving them to the wall, specifically?)

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Anyway I'm not sure if it's been retconned out or taken down

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 2:12 AM

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no more wall tho

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:12 AM

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But it's one of the few good lore changes in 5e

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Or ... I think it might still be around, but it's specifically for those who betrayed their gods?

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It's not where Anyone Who Didn't Worship goes, in any case

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Fun fact: the Wall is a TSR edition, Ed Greenwood did not come up with it

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 2:14 AM

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it's still canonically up as of 1479

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:14 AM

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Which makes a ton of sense to be tbh

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 2:14 AM

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(Baldur's gate is set in 1490s)

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so if it got torn down it must be a pretty recent thing

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:15 AM

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Yeah, then I think it's that they changed the scope

safe jungle Apr 28, 2025, 2:15 AM

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well no the person who was being threatened with thrown into it is a faithless

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not a False

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:15 AM

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I mainly remember that not every atheist gets sent there

dawn terrace Apr 28, 2025, 2:19 AM

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The False become menial workers in the City of Judgment, or worse. According to Withers, the faithless currently just wander the Fugue plane eternally.

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 2:20 AM

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good thing i got a god to worship

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i think Kharalathri is probably going to the fugue plane tho

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my current character is a Selûnite cleric tho

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 2:26 AM

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simple spire I mainly remember that not every atheist gets sent there

Isn't it post death a god can choose to adopt you basically into their plane if you followed their tenants

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Those that choose not to do so, or your pleas doesn't make any deity want to take you , and doesn't choose not to accept the deals of devils try to get peritioners into a contract gets put into the wall

simple spire Apr 28, 2025, 2:32 AM

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Possibly

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 2:33 AM

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Makes me think of when i accidentally worshipped a super evil god in WOTR

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Read the fine print actually, it may save you from eternal damnation

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Last I read the wiki, they basically make it clear what happens if you don't plead assuming you werent faithful to a deity and the fate of those in the wall, and if somehow you no deity takes you and you don't accept a certain type of devil that wanders trying to turn peritioners into lemures it was very much a choice, which is still iffy morally but probably better than non believers automatically walledb

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 7:37 PM

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i forgot how fucking funny the Volo eye scene

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 7:42 PM

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He does give us a better eye, so task failed successfully

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Which, if you're playing as Wyll which eye does he do?

grave prism Apr 28, 2025, 8:05 PM

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we managed to somehow kill the spectator

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it had our Rogue bleeding out on the ground the entire fight

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i somehow got out of the fight with zero damage and also taking the killing blow

vague sedge Apr 28, 2025, 8:13 PM

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neon junco Which, if you're playing as Wyll which eye does he do?

I think it just doesn't let you do it as Wyll, same as if you try to have both Ethel and Volo take your eye

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(don't let Ethel try it by the way)

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I think Warlocks get an invocation to see invisibility though so it's not a big loss

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 8:16 PM

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RIP, forever warlock

severe robin Apr 28, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Noooooo I forgot to talk with Alfira before killing the goblins 😭

neon junco Apr 28, 2025, 11:38 PM

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RIP no instrument proficiency

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Time to dip into bard for your errors

cedar thicket Apr 29, 2025, 1:10 AM

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Bard is such a fun class to play.
I'm Druid 2, Bard 1 right now.

severe robin Apr 29, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Did they remove the Stool of Hill Giant Strength?

severe robin Apr 29, 2025, 1:35 AM

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neon junco RIP no instrument proficiency

Oh, I took a mod to give everyone proficiency, that's why I forgot

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Oh there it is

severe robin Apr 29, 2025, 1:36 AM

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severe robin Did they remove the Stool of Hill Giant Strength?

Found it

vague sedge Apr 29, 2025, 3:56 AM

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severe robin Noooooo I forgot to talk with Alfira before killing the goblins 😭

It wasn't until my third playthrough that I figured out you could run into her in act 1.

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Somehow I completely missed the path from the grove leading to her and the kid entranced by the harpies (RIP him on my first two playthroughs I guess)

severe robin Apr 29, 2025, 5:00 AM

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She was still at the party

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Astarion turned me down

dawn terrace Apr 30, 2025, 6:37 PM

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I encountered a bizarre glitch where the colors of everything but the HUD were inverted. I'm spoil it because it is very bright.

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Reloading fixed but man.

sly flare Apr 30, 2025, 6:39 PM

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Evil curse that appears when you have 6 party members instead of 4

dawn terrace Apr 30, 2025, 6:40 PM

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I've played with an increase party size before this has never happened before.

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grave prism Apr 30, 2025, 7:37 PM

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honor mode Bullete is crazy

grave prism Apr 30, 2025, 9:34 PM

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survived some more encounters

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it is

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rather touch and go basically every time

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gods damn it

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i wanted to try using Moonlight Glaive since it has radiant damage so i can do radiating orb in melee

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but i'm an elf, not a half-elf or human, so i don't get glaive proficiency

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that's so annoying

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Staff of Spellpower into Markoheshkir it is

simple spire May 2, 2025, 3:35 PM

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Consider: you can grab dual wielder and use two staffs

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(This is arguably the single best use of dual wielder)

visual copper May 2, 2025, 3:46 PM

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that's hilarious

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 3:50 PM

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simple spire Consider: you can grab dual wielder and use two staffs

tacit sluice May 2, 2025, 5:03 PM

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That motherfucker

safe jungle May 2, 2025, 5:21 PM

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If they didn’t want me to spam hold person as a warlock why is it so powerful

grave prism May 2, 2025, 5:29 PM

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simple spire Consider: you can grab dual wielder and use two staffs

I need my feats for 20 wisdom

visual copper May 2, 2025, 5:41 PM

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I feel like getting the bonuses from a second staff would be more valuable than one ASI at least

simple spire May 2, 2025, 6:09 PM

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In many cases it is

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Although Ketheric's Shield is also very good

grave prism May 2, 2025, 6:51 PM

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I'm gunning for Ketheric Shield

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I'm doing a radiating orb build

visual copper May 2, 2025, 6:53 PM

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I should actually do a caster build some time

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doing a Monk on my current play with my partner

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:32 PM

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The transitional build is something like Paladin 2/Swords Bard 10. I played that one, it's very, very strong.

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Take a big sword, go nuts

neon junco May 2, 2025, 7:36 PM

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Hexblade and Bladesinger also gish, bladeslinger leans more on caster side since you've got all the wizard spells.

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 7:36 PM

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Paladin is really strong with any caster. Heightened divine smite my beloved. bonk

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:36 PM

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Paladin 2/Bladesinger 10 is basically even better

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Although I like high-charisma characters

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And if you're not committed to getting that level 10 feature for bladesinger you get to drop up to 4 levels into Whatever Other Full Caster Classes

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Do the bullshit sorcerer 1/cleric 1 start for constitution save proficiency, shield and magic missile, and full weapon and armor proficiency

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 7:39 PM

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Does bladesinger get multiple attacks per round?

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:39 PM

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Yep

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Extra attack at 6

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Swords bard is the same, it's the reason it was king for paladin 2/caster whatever

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But because wizards are bullshit you can be some sort of horrible sorcerer/cleric/bard/druid/wizard/paladin amalgam

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 7:41 PM

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I went 6/6 paladin/sorc for mine. Quickened casting+divine smite=fun bonkHarder

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:41 PM

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Yeah, that's very strong

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5th-level slots is all you actually need for maxed smiting

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And you get Aura of Defense

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Protection?

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One of those

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 7:44 PM

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I got incredibly lucky during the Avatar of Bhaal fight and got two Divine Smite crits in a single round. The fight did not last very long lmao.

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:45 PM

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My party was pretty crazy by that point so while I did not get that lucky, I was able to bring her down without killing any of the cultists first

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Nice little achievement goes ding

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 7:45 PM

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That playthrough was as Durge so I had to duel her.

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Oh so she didn't have the invulnerability stacks?

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I had to break those down with my monk

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 7:51 PM

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I had to look it up to refresh my memory but no, she doesn't get the unstoppable buff if you duel her

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But you have to fight her solo and if you go down or make your party intervene you can't get the good ending for Durge

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:53 PM

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Got it

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 7:55 PM

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(Prebuffing is okay though)

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:56 PM

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Who needs prebuffing when you hit like a boat

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 7:57 PM

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Ah but haste makes you hit like a boat more times.

simple spire May 2, 2025, 7:57 PM

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True, true

severe robin May 2, 2025, 8:50 PM

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I just learned something Fun

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Did you know that if you use the Arcane Archer's Curving Shot in the Last Light Inn fight, it can and will target Isobel?

rich plover May 2, 2025, 8:51 PM

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"Don't worry Isobel! I won't let the Absolute kill you!"

severe robin May 2, 2025, 8:51 PM

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Just lost the fight because of that

grave prism May 2, 2025, 8:51 PM

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incredible

severe robin May 2, 2025, 8:51 PM

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It was a Sharpshooter Arcane shot too

grave prism May 2, 2025, 8:52 PM

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😔

neon junco May 2, 2025, 9:01 PM

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vague sedge But you have to fight her solo and if you go down or make your party intervene y...

Solo duel she's pretty weak

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 9:04 PM

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She does still get like a thousand attacks per round so she can still fuck you up pretty bad if you get unlucky with her attack rolls.

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The best way to take her out in the duel is to not let her get a round.

neon junco May 2, 2025, 9:06 PM

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My durge was a sorcerer and I didn't even do the hold monster tactic I just hasted and disintegrate and blight. I wanted to see what'd happen if I disintegrated her but only had 1 6th level .

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My AC wasn't super high but it was like 19 from +2 medium armor + shield

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20 cause I would have at least put a +1 shield on my main but many attacks missed

severe robin May 2, 2025, 9:08 PM

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severe robin Just lost the fight because of that

(We reloaded because
well
That's pretty bullshit)

vague sedge May 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

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neon junco My AC wasn't super high but it was like 19 from +2 medium armor + shield

I just chunked her with spammed upcasted divine smites. Though I got really unlucky on my first attempt and got OTKOed by her. Wasn't even an AC issue since I had the Helldusk armor and a shield. RNGesus just decided I didn't get to do the fight on that attempt lmao.

neon junco May 2, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Her attack to hit seems low if you have 20AC, most of them whiff

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It's the non durge fight with like her invulnerability per round and the acolytes cc'ing you and prone or buff her is when she's much more dangerous.

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Iirc there's 2 to 3 NPCs in that fight that just solely buffs her

simple spire May 2, 2025, 10:07 PM

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Also you need to hit her ten times to do any real damage to her

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Which you can do

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It's manageable

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For some parties

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If you don't have one of those you have to start killing priests, in which time she can punch you in the face

neon junco May 3, 2025, 12:12 AM

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Magic missile gets to shine again

simple spire May 3, 2025, 12:12 AM

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Yep

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Monk w/thief can also blast through six of her stacks no problem

simple spire May 3, 2025, 8:37 AM

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It's very strange that sorcerers randomly don't get longstrider

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I guess to prevent you from wasting a spell known on it

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But it's not really wasted, and bards can

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And sorcerers get other ritual spells

dawn terrace May 3, 2025, 4:01 PM

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Sorcerers are more pure blasters with few utility spells. They didn't get longstrider in 5e either.

severe robin May 3, 2025, 4:11 PM

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severe robin Did you know that if you use the Arcane Archer's Curving Shot in the Last Light ...

I did not learn from my mistake and curved the shot into a nearby child, dealing half his health in damage during a game of hide and seek

dawn terrace May 3, 2025, 4:25 PM

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severe robin Did you know that if you use the Arcane Archer's Curving Shot in the Last Light ...

I guess ||your arrows serve Bhaal.||

simple spire May 3, 2025, 5:54 PM

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Polearm Clout now properly gains bonuses to its weapon damage from various sources.
Weapons bound using Pact of the Blade or Hexblade now properly use the Charisma modifier for the Polearm Clout attack.
Okay so polearm mastery is good now

grave prism May 3, 2025, 7:17 PM

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welp

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we lost fucking Gale

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what a dick

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my friend was trying to feed him a magic item and he didn't have one so he tried to leave to go get one and Gale got pissed and fucked off

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this Honor mode run is going great surely

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also thanks to Wyll we have massive negative rep with Alfira

grave prism May 3, 2025, 8:21 PM

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i think my luminous arrow procced the effect of my bow

neon junco May 3, 2025, 8:27 PM

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What is Wylls and Alfiras interaction?

grave prism May 3, 2025, 8:29 PM

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holy shit

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i did 22 turns of radiating orb on a goblin with my divine smite

grave prism May 3, 2025, 8:29 PM

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neon junco What is Wylls and Alfiras interaction?

he keeps having cutscenes when we sleep

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which stops Alfiras cutscene from happening

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we've knocked Alfira unconscious twice and been stopped by Wyll cutscenes

simple spire May 3, 2025, 8:31 PM

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... oh hey High Elves can grab booming blade as their cantrip now

cedar thicket May 3, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Poor LesbiabHeart Alfira. She deserves sooo much better.

grave prism May 3, 2025, 8:48 PM

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bro they need to fire Piddle

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what the fuck was he even doing up there

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we caused an enormous explosion and i called down an incredibly fucking powerful holy smite of Selûne

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he didn't notice anything

neon junco May 3, 2025, 9:29 PM

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simple spire ... oh hey High Elves can grab booming blade as their cantrip now

Damn that's wild

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So as a high elf you can just have booming blade on any martial classes without feat or dip?

simple spire May 3, 2025, 9:30 PM

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Seems that way!

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Or a high half-elf I guess

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That is

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Extremely competitive

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I noticed because I was starting an Astarion Origin run

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And uh

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Booming blade was there

safe jungle May 3, 2025, 11:20 PM

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grave prism we caused an enormous explosion and i called down an incredibly fucking powerful...

He’s a goblin scholar

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Not really a watchman

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You can discuss dwarves poetry with him

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He intentionally sequestered himself away from the party because he didn’t really like raucous celebratory vibe

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So he’s the only goblin in the entire area I left alive

grave prism May 3, 2025, 11:21 PM

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fair enough

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we uh

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well

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we did not

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tbf we're murder hobos since we're doing a Durge run

simple spire May 3, 2025, 11:36 PM

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You know on the one hand some shit like Paladin 6/Bard 1-4/Warlock 2-5 seems very fun for hexblade

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otoh Fighter 11/Warlock 1 seems really strong

visual copper May 3, 2025, 11:44 PM

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Just for the curse?

dawn terrace May 4, 2025, 12:00 AM

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Gah. All this talk as me brain storming characters but I really should focus on my embrace the urge run.

neon junco May 4, 2025, 12:10 AM

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I started a solo run in lieu of a multi-player game to try out 4 builds at once

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I want to take them from 1 to 12

simple spire May 4, 2025, 12:24 AM

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visual copper Just for the curse?

Yeah, it's really good and it scales to get stronger the more attacks you're making per round

severe robin May 4, 2025, 2:58 AM

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safe jungle You can discuss dwarves poetry with him

He wouldn't talk to me :(

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I poisoned the drinks so he just started talking "Someone's poisoned the drinks! Get him!"

neon junco May 4, 2025, 3:39 AM

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severe robin I poisoned the drinks so he just started talking "Someone's poisoned the drinks!...

Quite a memorable line from the classics of dwarven poetry

dawn terrace May 4, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Dwarfs have poison resistance. Adding poison to their drink is like adding chili powder to a cocktail. Adds kick.

neon junco May 4, 2025, 4:30 AM

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Doesn't mean poison tastes good with every drink

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You ruined this dwarven IPA!

dusky bear May 4, 2025, 10:52 AM

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Isnt alcohol also considered poison anyway?

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Doesnt that mean it takes a lot to get em drunk?

simple spire May 4, 2025, 11:36 AM

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Challenge: assuming you have only the six origin characters to work with, how can you pair them off in the funniest way possible?

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I feel like Karlach/Astarion is obligatory, and Lae'zel is funny no matter who of the remaining crew you pair her with, but whatever you get left over from that will be kinda whatever

deft crypt May 4, 2025, 11:46 AM

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Astarion Wyll

gloomy cloud May 4, 2025, 11:51 AM

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Astarion/Wyll, Lae'zel/Shart, and honestly Gale/Karlach is pretty funny

twin canyon May 4, 2025, 12:49 PM

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My GF and I just took on the honour mode tactician enhanced ||Balthazar|| fight in the most hilarious way possible. ||We held the door to the kitchen and let all the Justiciers spawn while trying to stay out of the fight as much as we could. Meanwhile she snuck through and cracked the lock on his door, drawing him into the fight. In the end he was barely up vs the Crusader and one or two archers, so she snuck back into the room and knifed him in the back to get the kill.|| It took forever but it was incredibly comical to watch and we barely used any resources.

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Me holding the line as what felt like twenty ||justiciars|| tried to push through the chokepoint, only for her to ||barely crack the door in time and for them to all immediately turn and rush Balthazar||. The sense of relief was intense.

severe robin May 4, 2025, 9:54 PM

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Did the protecting Halsin fight in Act 2

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Wall of Fire continues to make it very easy

dawn terrace May 4, 2025, 9:57 PM

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Darkness was my mvp

grave prism May 4, 2025, 10:05 PM

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Wall of fire my beloved

safe jungle May 4, 2025, 10:09 PM

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Hunger of Hadar and Spirit guardians for me

neon junco May 4, 2025, 10:54 PM

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Same for spirit guardians

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Makes the encounter trivial when they die upon getting close

visual copper May 4, 2025, 10:56 PM

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We had Wall of Fire and a Spirit Guardians up

neon junco May 4, 2025, 10:58 PM

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I once did a no magic only might challenge so only no "magic" classes and subclasses so my comp was BM fighter, Thief Rogue, Berserk Barb, and open hand monk. The gate was 3 HP from 0 since I had 0 AoE

safe jungle May 4, 2025, 11:07 PM

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Gale with potion of speed and fire evocation specialization

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Spamming fireballs

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Really does simplify act2 boss

visual copper May 4, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Haste letting you double cast in BG3 is still insane

safe jungle May 4, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Who needs sorcerers meta magic

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When you have drugs

vague sedge May 4, 2025, 11:10 PM

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Spirit Guardians is just amazingly good in almost any situation

simple spire May 5, 2025, 10:58 AM

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Hmmmmm giant barbarian wyll

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Eldritch Blast? No, throw big sword

grave prism May 5, 2025, 8:13 PM

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we somehow managed to get in combat with a person in our party

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mfw pvp

simple spire May 5, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Trying to think of a good big sword person plan for Lae'zel

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Other than just like ... fighter 11/somethingelse 1

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I don't think War Magic lets you use multiple bonus actions for attacks, tragically

rich plover May 5, 2025, 8:21 PM

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giant barbarian for the biggest sword

simple spire May 5, 2025, 8:21 PM

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Doing that with Wyll

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PC's probably gonna be Hexblade 2/Rogue 4/Fighter 6 to take advantage of polearm master actually working now

visual copper May 5, 2025, 8:32 PM

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I wish I could Sneak Attack unarmed 😔

simple spire May 5, 2025, 8:32 PM

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(Polearm master works now btw)

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(The bonus action attack finally gets damage bonuses)

visual copper May 5, 2025, 8:34 PM

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also in case people here don't know, a funny thing I read about
you can wield a light weapon in your offhand, then equip the main hand weapon on a different character
this empties out your main hand and lets you do unarmed attacks, but you still keep the weapon in your offhand

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if you don't already use a mod to enable unarmed all the time

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so you can wield stat stick weapons in offhand for the bonuses

severe robin May 5, 2025, 8:36 PM

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visual copper if you don't already use a mod to enable unarmed all the time

I could get one of those actually...

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Switched from Bladesinger to a Hexbladelock so I could use the Potent Robe

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It's pretty fun

simple spire May 5, 2025, 8:38 PM

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Been pondering some kind of bladesinger/hexblade hybrid but that seems tough to get working

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Something silly that is possible is eldritch knight 7/warlock2/whocares 3 to fire off an eldritch blast followed by a bow attack

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If you get thief 3, then under haste it's possible to use war magic a second time after your second eldritch blast

dawn terrace May 5, 2025, 10:17 PM

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simple spire Other than just like ... fighter 11/somethingelse 1

Make her a Gish. Like the Gith Wizard/fighter multi that is the term's origin.

simple spire May 5, 2025, 10:44 PM

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Yeah, it'd fit

soft tundra May 6, 2025, 1:43 AM

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simple spire Other than just like ... fighter 11/somethingelse 1

fighter 5/6, rest wizard; take advantage of all the good protection reactions/buffs?

simple spire May 6, 2025, 1:46 AM

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soft tundra fighter 5/6, rest wizard; take advantage of all the good protection reactions/bu...

What I think I've settled on is bladesinger-that-doesn't-care-about-bladesong-and-is-only-here-for-extra-attack, with heavy armor and big sword and so on

soft tundra May 6, 2025, 1:47 AM

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hell yeah

simple spire May 6, 2025, 2:18 AM

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... Shadow Sorcerer 1/Light Cleric 9/Star Druid 2 almost feels excessively perfect for Shadowheart, roleplay-wise

simple spire May 6, 2025, 4:37 AM

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Hmmmmmm

visual copper May 6, 2025, 4:41 AM

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Lmao

simple spire May 6, 2025, 4:42 AM

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(There are also numerous smaller mods that turn characters into gnomes or halflings)

vague sedge May 6, 2025, 12:00 PM

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I can get behind this. The lack of gnome/halfling party members is downright criminal.

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(No, the Withers summons don't count)

dawn valley May 6, 2025, 2:40 PM

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On one hand i want to play durge cause it’s a custome character with a backstory... on the other i want to play astariô to be petty

rich plover May 6, 2025, 3:30 PM

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you could remake Astarion's character model as a durge

simple spire May 6, 2025, 4:14 PM

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dawn valley On one hand i want to play durge cause it’s a custome character with a backstory...

I have no idea how well they work, but there are mods that merge the Durge Origin with others, including Astarion

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There are also things that simply make Astarion's preset accessible under other circumstances, IIRC

dawn valley May 6, 2025, 4:16 PM

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ithere opne to change is hair do ?

simple spire May 6, 2025, 4:16 PM

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Not sure, but it's really easy to look

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The in-game mod mangager is pretty great

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Unrelated: after spending far, far too much time thinking about this, I have a setup for a patch 8 run

Gale: Lore 10/Wizard 2 (Ketheric's Shield, +2 Int +2 Cha) — It feels wrong for him not to be some sort of primary caster to be tbh.
Wyll: Crown 6/Hexblade 1/Fighter 1/Thief 4 (Harmonic Dueller + Infernal Rapier, Savage Attacker + Dual Wielder) — Oath of the Crown makes sense to me for him, uses rapiers, warlock.
Karlach: Giant 6/4 Elements 4/Fighter 2 (Giantslayer, Tavern Brawler + GWM/ASI) — Karlach likes this mix of melee, unarmed, and thrown.
Lae'zel: Bladesinger 8/War Cleric 1/Storm Sorcerer 1/Crown 2 (Silver Sword GWM + Savage Attacker, +1 Int Hair) — Hit hard w/big sword, cast spells, wear heavy armor, fly around. Feels very Lae'zel. Crown laughs at puny GWM attack penalty. Hah! Hah!
Astarion: Battlemaster 6/Rogue 4/Ranger 2 (two light weapons, Savage Attacker +4 Dex) — using a mod that lets me change his cantrip, if not would swap ranger for bladesinger wizard. Booming Blade + Pushing Attack. Probably Orin's knives.
Shadowheart: Light Cleric 9/Star Druid 2/Shadow Sorcerer 1 (+4 Wis) — This almost feels too obvious, right?
Dark Urge: Sorcerer 6/Cleric 6 (Markoheshkir + Woe, Dual Wielder +2 Cha) — hahaha markoheshkir goes brrr. Could imagine switching this to Gale and using his build, to be tbh.
Halsin: Open Palm Monk/Rogue (Gloves of Soul Catching, Tavern Brawler) — Not sure about heavy armor + shield yet, but it is critically important to me that Halsin have big muscles.
Minthara: Swords Bard 10/Fighter 2 (Titanstring, Sharpshooter + 2 Dex) — I can't explain why I find this fitting, but I do.
Jaheira: Swarmkeeper 5/Spore 7 (Staff of Cherished Necromancy + Belm, Dual Wielder +2 Wis) — Druid, uses items from her basement, uses staff.
Minsc: Berserker 5/Thief 4/Champion 3 (Dwarven Thrower w/Disguise Self, Tavern Brawler + 2 Str) — Strength-based, berserker.

visual copper May 6, 2025, 4:35 PM

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Dipping 1 into Fighter is valid for Str Monk

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The main reason not to is that you can just use elixirs for your Str and do a regular Dex/Wis build

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Shields are good though if you have Prof
Just makes you lose out on movement unfortunately

simple spire May 6, 2025, 4:41 PM

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Yeah, I've done Fighter 1/Monk 8/Rogue 3 before (on Minthara that time, for lulz)

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Had a good time

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Just want to see if there's a compelling reason not to that I'm not thinking of

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I do hate spamming elixirs tho

visual copper May 6, 2025, 4:52 PM

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It's a bit unfortunate

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But they are just so good

simple spire May 6, 2025, 4:54 PM

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Really the big thing is Ki Resonance

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Which I don't think I'd ever really considered fully before

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... it occurs to me that monks can wear Helldusk

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Could start with fighter 1 and then spec out of it at endgame

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Wouldn't be getting resonance before then, anyway

visual copper May 6, 2025, 5:08 PM

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I'm aiming for Monk 8/Rogue 4 myself currently

severe robin May 6, 2025, 5:45 PM

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Don't want Ki Resonance/Jump boost?

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Also the unarmed damage increase

visual copper May 6, 2025, 6:03 PM

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not entirely sure yet, but the extra ASI might be better

simple spire May 6, 2025, 6:29 PM

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I think it depends on your itemization

visual copper May 6, 2025, 6:29 PM

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If I get a Wis boost, I can probably end on 22 Wis
And like 18 or 20 Dex

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And that +1 Wis will probably be Khalid's amulet

simple spire May 6, 2025, 6:30 PM

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Something to consider: open hand 9 also lets you carry stat-sticks and fight unarmed

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Since you can resonance-punch regardless of how you’re equipped, apparently

visual copper May 6, 2025, 6:32 PM

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Doesn't that only work if they don't have resonance yet?

simple spire May 6, 2025, 6:32 PM

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simple spire Unrelated: after spending far, far too much time thinking about this, I have a s...

Bah, fuck it, Lae’zel gets to go Hexblade 12 and Durge will snag her build

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Gale can have the stupid electricity build

hexed inlet May 6, 2025, 6:34 PM

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he would know lightning fingies

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https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-palpatine-unlimited-power-unlimited-rizz-gif-27511767

Tenor

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this is so gale core

simple spire May 6, 2025, 6:34 PM

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visual copper Doesn't that only work if they don't have resonance yet?

I’m not sure, I was just reading up on this on the wiki

grave prism May 6, 2025, 8:36 PM

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got that shit on

simple spire May 6, 2025, 9:55 PM

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Nice

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Love that Stars Druid gets a visual effect

grave prism May 6, 2025, 10:02 PM

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yeah it's sick

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i am the glowiest of them all

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currently have a pretty crazy healing build setup

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due to finding a bunch of healing centric items

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i do extra healing, i heal myself when i heal others, anyone i heal gets bless

visual copper May 6, 2025, 10:03 PM

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oh, where is that last one?

grave prism May 6, 2025, 10:03 PM

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it's a ring iirc

hexed inlet May 6, 2025, 10:03 PM

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ring you can buy off volo

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or steal

grave prism May 6, 2025, 10:03 PM

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waiting to get my radiant orb build up and running

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meanwhile i'm cosplaying a healer cleric

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i also got two free healing spells from my necklace

visual copper May 6, 2025, 10:04 PM

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that necklace is quite nice yeah

grave prism May 6, 2025, 10:05 PM

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i mean tbf i am partially a cleric

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of Selûne specifically

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doing my job as a healer now to make up for the violence and destruction i'm going to be causing later on when my radiant orb build is online

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i already managed to get 22 stacks of radiant orb on one enemy before leaving act 1 with only two of my items

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shit is going to go crazy when i have all of them

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still crazy to me that it does -1 to attack rolls per stack

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by the end of the game melee characters are simply not going to be allowed participation if i can help it

simple spire May 6, 2025, 10:34 PM

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Radiant damage synergy in this game is wild

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Just remember that in the Rafael fight a number of enemies can retaliate specifically against radiant

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Horrifying

grave prism May 6, 2025, 10:34 PM

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is it magic retaliation or

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cause then i'll need to be careful

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by that point i shouldn't need to worry about melee attacks, especially not from groups

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since i have divine smite

simple spire May 6, 2025, 10:55 PM

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I believe it is magic retaliation, yeah.

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It miiiiight be possible to shut it down?

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:00 PM

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also something funny

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silence does not work on the circle of stars form spells

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i got hit with a silence and i could still use my archer form arrow spell

safe jungle May 6, 2025, 11:40 PM

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simple spire Just remember that in the Rafael fight a number of enemies can retaliate specifi...

bunch of enemies can

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specifcally all the shaarran enemies seem to have it by default

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funny part is that you can apparently cheese it to spam Divine Intervention

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if the caster dies while casting Divine Intervention apparently it doesn't count

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so you use it to deal extreme damage to a sharran

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get radiant retaliation

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die

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and then when you get resed you can use it again

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:43 PM

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lmao

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we have a bunch of scrolls so i could probably do that lmao

visual copper May 6, 2025, 11:44 PM

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grave prism silence does not work on the circle of stars form spells

Its because they aren't spells

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:44 PM

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i mean

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it literally is

visual copper May 6, 2025, 11:44 PM

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So Silence can't do anything

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:44 PM

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but it doesn't seem to count as one for the purposes of silence

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i didn't dare try it against Ethel when we fought her

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that would have been the real test

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since she gets to clone herself when anyone casts spells around her

visual copper May 6, 2025, 11:46 PM

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grave prism

weird

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:46 PM

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ikr?

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it says it in-game also

visual copper May 6, 2025, 11:46 PM

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but i guess I don't know what Larian did with Stars

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normally the form abilities are not spells at all

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:46 PM

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i mean it could just be like, a "we have to put it into a box" thing i guess

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but it is specifically described as a spell

safe jungle May 6, 2025, 11:56 PM

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gotta wonder if silence also disrupts ki spells

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:56 PM

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good question

safe jungle May 6, 2025, 11:57 PM

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or does it only work on spells where characters need to chant something

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:57 PM

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i really shoulda tried it against Ethel just to know

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now i'm left wondering

safe jungle May 6, 2025, 11:57 PM

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I guess for BG3

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the best way to play a murim swordsman would be a swashbuckler rogue?

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by which I mean an unarmored swordsman

grave prism May 6, 2025, 11:58 PM

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probably yes

safe jungle May 6, 2025, 11:58 PM

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hrm

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pathfinder 2e now has a 2 handed sword monk

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fighting style

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but monks in bg3 are restricted to staffs I guess

simple spire May 7, 2025, 12:20 AM

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safe jungle but monks in bg3 are restricted to staffs I guess

Any versatile weapon will work if proficient

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Only two-handed and heavy weapons don’t count as monk weapons

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Which does mean a monk dip can attach finesse to stuff

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(Won’t open up sneak attack tho)

simple spire May 7, 2025, 12:52 AM

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Yes this is good

soft tundra May 7, 2025, 12:59 AM

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safe jungle but monks in bg3 are restricted to staffs I guess

they get shortswords!

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and if you get longsword/rapier prof from elsewhere, that should work as well

safe jungle May 7, 2025, 1:00 AM

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can they do flurry of blows with shortswords

soft tundra May 7, 2025, 1:00 AM

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yeah you should be able to swing the sword and then get your unarmed attacks

rich plover May 7, 2025, 1:38 AM

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Oh, huh, duelists's perogative could be funny then. Monk/thief rogue? Two reactions, two bonus actions, free attack with the rapier and flurry of blows for more unarmed strikes.

visual copper May 7, 2025, 1:39 AM

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The extra BA from Thief is very good on Monk yes

safe jungle May 7, 2025, 1:40 AM

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That’s a lot of attacks

visual copper May 7, 2025, 1:40 AM

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The main thing is mostly just that unarmed is crazy good because of Tavern Brawler

neon junco May 7, 2025, 1:48 AM

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Thief's extra BA is real nice in general, game has so many bonus action items

charred niche May 7, 2025, 2:47 AM

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Thiefs extra BA makes it a little hard to justify the other rogue subclasses /coff

deft crypt May 7, 2025, 2:50 AM

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swashbuckler looks good

charred niche May 7, 2025, 2:52 AM

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It does! But breaking the action economy just always kind of wins, maybe for more pure rogue Swashbuckle can press but just damn

neon junco May 7, 2025, 2:57 AM

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It was more of an even choice in ttrpg cause it's not an extra BA in 5e

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The RP subclass features that didn't translate well to video game Larian just replaced with a combat thing above the punching class of that level.

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Crown paladin gets zone of truth in 5e and bg3 it's Spirit Guardians instead

simple spire May 7, 2025, 2:43 PM

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rich plover Oh, huh, duelists's perogative could be funny then. Monk/thief rogue? Two reacti...

fwiw the duelist's prerogative bonus action attack is 1/turn

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While the monk's bonus action stuff notably is not

rich plover May 7, 2025, 2:49 PM

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Oh, I missed that it cost a bonus action. That's less exciting

simple spire May 7, 2025, 3:33 PM

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Monk-thief is an extremely well-loved combo though

rich plover May 7, 2025, 4:37 PM

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Mhm. It's what my friend is running in our four player game. She wanted Maximum Speed

simple spire May 7, 2025, 5:18 PM

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The standard builds are Monk 6/Thief 4/Fighter 2 and Monk 9/Thief 3

deft crypt May 7, 2025, 5:20 PM

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standard according to who

simple spire May 7, 2025, 5:31 PM

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Optimization communities who care about these things

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It is a Normal Honor Mode Build, as it were

visual copper May 7, 2025, 5:41 PM

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It's a strong damage build, and also has the benefits of nor overlapping much in gear with other builds

simple spire May 7, 2025, 6:08 PM

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Pretty much

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Durable, minimal equipment overlap, playable essentially 1-12 without respec, high DPS, very action efficient

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Karlach’s really good for it too, since she can eat a soul coin to get +2d4 fire on all unarmed hits

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And “punches everything a whole lot” is very fitting for her

visual copper May 7, 2025, 6:22 PM

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Astarion also, though his bit is only way at the end of the game

simple spire May 7, 2025, 6:43 PM

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I’m pretty sure it’s also not exclusive to unarmed

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And involves a pretty major story decision

dawn valley May 8, 2025, 7:57 AM

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hey what should be the divide between warlock and sorcere for a sorcelock ?

simple spire May 8, 2025, 8:28 AM

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Warlock 2/Sorcerer 10 is good

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Probably Sorcerer for the first level, for Con saves

dawn valley May 8, 2025, 9:29 AM

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i was thinking at least 3 in warlock for the evocations (namely aginozing blast)

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unless it's level 2 i don't remember

simple spire May 8, 2025, 9:45 AM

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Those are at 2

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3 is the pact, which does very little for a sorlock

dawn valley May 8, 2025, 9:49 AM

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yay especially if i go with hexblade

simple spire May 8, 2025, 9:59 AM

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Hexblade is extremely strong as a dip, yeah

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Even if you don't plan to melee

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The curse by itself is a huge power boost

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I'm not 100% certain it applies the damage boost to each individual scorching ray or magic missile, but it does in tabletop and they'd have had to specifically exclude that

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And it does apply to each eldrtich blast bolt

dawn valley May 8, 2025, 11:06 AM

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it only state "damage throws" so i guess it's universal

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plus if it dies i get heal

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so yay 2 warlock and then hard into sorcerer

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(shadow cause i want da dog)

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(nad i play durge)

simple spire May 8, 2025, 12:43 PM

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Shadow is interesting because so much of its power budget is at level 1 with the revive

grave prism May 8, 2025, 2:08 PM

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it's SO nice to have actual AC and not getting hit by everything

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doing the fight with the Duergar in the grymforge

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and i haven't been hit a single time so far

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 2:23 PM

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My astarion has 24 ac for some reason

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Between exotic medium armor

grave prism May 8, 2025, 2:23 PM

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huh

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i'm sitting at 19 ac rn

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 2:24 PM

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Yeah I am using the exotic armor from act 3

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Medium armor specialist

grave prism May 8, 2025, 2:24 PM

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noice

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 2:24 PM

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And maximum dex

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His effective ac is probably actually around 29

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Since he has defensive duelist

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I don’t think I’ve seen him take significant damage except from spells

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He does a lot of damage too with the legendary rapier

grave prism May 8, 2025, 2:28 PM

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nice

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damn, Nere got me 😔

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 2:35 PM

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That’s why I always kill all the duergar first

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With a cheese called bard song around a pile of smoke powder barrels and alchemist fire

simple spire May 8, 2025, 3:38 PM

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safe jungle Medium armor specialist

Does that do anything if you’re wearing armor that already allows full dex?

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 3:39 PM

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err I mean medium armor specialization

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or whatever that allows rogues to wear medium armor

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I suppose strictly speaking you might not need if you just get the leven armor

simple spire May 8, 2025, 3:50 PM

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Unless strictly opposed to multiclassing, I would absolutely not spend a feat on medium armor

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The difference between a rogue 12 that spends a feat on medium armor and a rogue 11/fighter 1 is that the second one gains a whole bunch of stuff and loses nothing

neon junco May 8, 2025, 3:52 PM

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grave prism damn, Nere got me 😔

A funny way to kill nere is to during the cutscene with the gnome have someone shove him into the lava

rich plover May 8, 2025, 4:00 PM

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that's fitting, since tabletopping is a gnome national pastime

grave prism May 8, 2025, 4:15 PM

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neon junco A funny way to kill nere is to during the cutscene with the gnome have someone s...

lmao

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yeah we killed him pretty quick but he got damage on me

vague sedge May 8, 2025, 4:40 PM

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I'm a lootgoblin so I almost never kill enemies by shoving them into pits.

visual copper May 8, 2025, 5:08 PM

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Yeah

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 5:55 PM

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simple spire The difference between a rogue 12 that spends a feat on medium armor and a rogue...

yes. but

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24 AC

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which admittedly doesn't work often anymore since whole bunch of enemies get save or die attacks nowadays

simple spire May 8, 2025, 5:56 PM

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You'd also get exactly the same amount of AC getting medium armor proficiency from a better source

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Multiclassing into any of ranger, cleric, fighter, paladin, or druid will get you it

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College of Swords and Valour or Hexblade will also get it

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And githyanki and shield dwarves get it

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And endgame, you can get a fair bit higher

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Like ... okay, highest possible Dex mod is +7, and Armour of Agility is 18+Dex

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So that's 25 not far into Act 3 without anything else

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With Defense fighting style that can be 26, and with cloak and ring we can get it to 28. There are a number of sets of boots that can bring that up further, to 29.

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I think there's one or two helmets that can do that same?

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30

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If we can fit on a shield, 33

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Wondrous Gloves to 34

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Off-hand bloodthirst can get us to 35

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Oh, 34, Armour of Agility is only 17+Dex

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... 33, can't get Dex +7 while wearing Wondrous Gloves

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Technically possible to go 3 higher, with Shield of Faith and the Defender's Flail

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So I guess 36 is the absolute cap?

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For medium armor, anyway

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I think Helldusk might be able to go up to 38 or 39

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Because of weird nonsense

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By no means optimal

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 6:46 PM

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I’ve seen AIs intentionally try to run away from high ac characters and eat an opportunity attack rather than attack

neon junco May 8, 2025, 6:51 PM

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The vanilla AI is easy to trick in that regards, it's easy to get 19 AC on casters and if you have a barb with like 16 or 17 AC on purpose they'll target the bar and ignore casters

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Parking a rogue next to an enemy that's out of Melee of your low AC scapegoat it'll usually do like you mentioned and take AoO to target low AC characters which means extra sneak attack

grave prism May 8, 2025, 9:07 PM

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man Honor mode grym looks hella scary

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we just cheesed it by standing up top and shooting shit down at Grym

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easy money

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got the adamantine shield so my shield slot is now locked in for the rest of the run

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was gonna take Ketherics shield but another member of our party needed it more

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i guess if we can get Devonias walking fortress i might swap to that but otherwise this is my shield for the run

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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grave prism we just cheesed it by standing up top and shooting shit down at Grym

I cheesed it with giant mode karlach and a bandolier of light hammer

grave prism May 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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nice

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we got path of the giant barbarian too

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gravity is one hell of a weapon it turns out

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Well also he voluntarily got onto the anvil at one point so I just eldritch blasted the lever

grave prism May 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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we used the lever as well

safe jungle May 8, 2025, 9:13 PM

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I wasn’t trying to lure it there but if you are offering…

grave prism May 8, 2025, 9:16 PM

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real

rich plover May 9, 2025, 1:14 AM

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Raphael is having a no good, very bad day

neon junco May 9, 2025, 1:24 AM

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He's upside down tposing, if anything everyone else isn't

rich plover May 9, 2025, 2:04 AM

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every time we hit him he would ragdoll

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I think the fight took three or four rounds, and he was under hard CC for every round after the first.

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maybe the funniest fight we've had in the whole game

dawn terrace May 9, 2025, 2:32 AM

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rich plover Raphael is having a no good, very bad day

Clowning on him, as you should.

rich plover May 9, 2025, 2:38 AM

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You can't see it, but my character is actually dressed as a clown

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I'm very sad that you can't wear a hat in your camp clothes, or I'd be in full clown regalia all day every day

dawn valley May 9, 2025, 7:17 PM

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should i make laezel a arcan archer or a crown paladin ?

grave prism May 9, 2025, 7:18 PM

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paladin

simple spire May 9, 2025, 7:23 PM

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Crown Paladin is extremely strong, especially as a dip

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The 7th level feature is kinda eh?

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But the channel oath is insane

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Crown Paladin 1, 2, and 6 are all wild as breakpoints

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(If you take it to 9 you get spirit guardians but to be tbh cleric and lore bard are both better ways to accomplish that)

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Oh, actually, @grave prism , any chance you know for sure if the arrow from Stars Druid benefits from item bonuses to spell attacks?

grave prism May 9, 2025, 7:28 PM

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i do not

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sorry

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i assume it would

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as it is 100% a spell going by in-game descriptions

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however, it also is unaffected by Silence

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so

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i have no idea what is going on there

simple spire May 9, 2025, 7:30 PM

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Yeah, hence why I asked

grave prism May 9, 2025, 7:30 PM

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idk how you'd check but i can prolly do it later today with some luck

simple spire May 9, 2025, 7:30 PM

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You should be able to check the combat log

grave prism May 9, 2025, 7:30 PM

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going to with any luck play like an hour of BG3 today

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i will endeavor to check then

simple spire May 9, 2025, 7:31 PM

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If you hover your mouse over one of the things it'll show up in the tooltips

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Thanks! I appreciate it.

grave prism May 9, 2025, 7:31 PM

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👍

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i think my friend has melfs staff that gives bonus to spell attacks

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but i'll cop it off him quick for a test

simple spire May 9, 2025, 7:32 PM

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Bizarrely, the dragon breath uses Constitution to determine its DC like dragonborn breath, but does add spell DC increases

grave prism May 9, 2025, 7:32 PM

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huh...

simple spire May 9, 2025, 7:33 PM

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I feel like that first thing might be a bug, but who knows

grave prism May 9, 2025, 8:44 PM

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@simple spire here is the result while using Melfs staff

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simple spire May 9, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Looks like a yes! Thank you.

grave prism May 9, 2025, 8:44 PM

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it has the bonus to spell saves and spell attack rolls

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👍

severe robin May 9, 2025, 8:47 PM

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Lae'zel broke up with me ;y;

grave prism May 9, 2025, 8:47 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

Tenor

severe robin May 9, 2025, 8:47 PM

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I don't even know why

simple spire May 9, 2025, 8:51 PM

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Huh

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Never seen that before

soft tundra May 9, 2025, 8:56 PM

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i didnt think she would do that after her nerfs

severe robin May 9, 2025, 9:27 PM

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She went up to me and said "I can see you're no longer interested in me" and I didn't have any options

vague sedge May 9, 2025, 9:35 PM

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Maybe you accidentally triggered a romance with someone else?

simple spire May 9, 2025, 9:38 PM

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That seems like the most likely thing

severe robin May 9, 2025, 10:43 PM

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I have not spoken to another member of the party

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I have triggered their dialogues that the game will tell me about if I don't and been polite but also not really caring

vague sedge May 9, 2025, 11:05 PM

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The marked dialogues do have some romance triggers, and the game does sometimes have the Bioware RPG problem where not all of the triggers are immediately obvious. I can't remember which specific ones though. Maybe Wyll and Gale.

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~~It almost seems to be a legal requirement in these kinds of games to have at least one romance that's easily triggered by accident ~~

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Idk of any way to check other than waiting for the next set of dialogues to trigger though.

neon junco May 9, 2025, 11:13 PM

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Yea I think this is patched but Gales show me magic scene

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You get an option to back out of it otherwise it's a romance path, Wyll and dancing

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I don't remember other romance triggers in act 1, if you try to kiss karlach but that's pretty obvious

severe robin May 9, 2025, 11:16 PM

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Also I talked to nobody at all in between a long rest of not having that dialogue, and then her starting a conversation telling me it

neon junco May 9, 2025, 11:17 PM

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Hmm what part were you at? Anywhere near the creche?

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That's the only thing I could think of is you had the invisible relationship points but skipped a trigger or vice versa and it did a check at the creche of what's laezel relationship points here. Either way if it's this then it'd be a bug, pure guess

severe robin May 10, 2025, 1:30 AM

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Sharesses Caress

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Specifically entering it, before talking with ||Voss||

dawn valley May 11, 2025, 9:15 AM

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ok so Karlach is mly range specialist now

dawn valley May 11, 2025, 10:26 AM

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also hexblade with shadwo blade is ridiculous

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2d8+CHA is insane

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i will put booming blade on it

neon junco May 11, 2025, 10:37 AM

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It's a strong combo, I did bladesinger with shadowblade and booming blade

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When you get to upcasting shadowblade and booming blade just adds damage on top of the movement damage it goes off hard.

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If you wanted to minmax hexblade/paladin/sorcerer and carry resonance stone would probably be wild but you'd be steamrolling vanilla honor mode with that

simple spire May 11, 2025, 10:49 AM

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My worry with those builds is the very endgame stuff where you fight a ton of enemies who do psychic damage or who are immune to psychic damage

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Or both

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Steel watch are immune

neon junco May 11, 2025, 10:51 AM

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You could just send the orb to camp during those fights

simple spire May 11, 2025, 10:51 AM

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Flayers do psychic damage

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Final boss does and is immune

neon junco May 11, 2025, 10:53 AM

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Unless you're only using one character that's what the other party members are for, being able to deal tons of damage to 90% of the enemies in the game opens up your other 3 to handle the psychic immune

cedar thicket May 11, 2025, 11:56 AM

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Constructs should be immune to psychic, poison and necrotic.

simple spire May 11, 2025, 12:10 PM

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Honestly, I'd just rather exploit the Bhaalist armor

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But ymmv

safe jungle May 11, 2025, 12:40 PM

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Nobody wants to harm my eldritch warlock

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It’s great

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Ever since I got lovers ring and gave the other part to karlach

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It gives wearer resistance to all damage and harms the other person wearing it for half of the damage you received

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Ever since I wore it enemies specifically avoided trying to hurt me

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Poor shadow heart though

cedar thicket May 11, 2025, 12:52 PM

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How many people use ||Gale as a Warding Bond for STUPID effective health? As I like to respec Karlach into Paladin, Sorcerer.||

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I'm on Honour Mode, but without the single save.

safe jungle May 11, 2025, 12:55 PM

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I dunnow karlach as a non barb just somehow feels wrong

cedar thicket May 11, 2025, 12:59 PM

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She's still my frontline fighter. I have a Assassin Rogue, a Light Cleric, and myself 2 Stars Druid, 1 Lore Bard. I'm waiting until I get another level for Life Cleric.

twin canyon May 11, 2025, 1:03 PM

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cedar thicket How many people use ||Gale as a Warding Bond for STUPID effective health? As I l...

I (tanky Life Cleric) use Warding Bond on my gf (obscene dps Assassin Rogue/Fighter) at the start of each adventuring day and it feels like we're unstoppable, especially since I've specced into healing items and heal myself every time I heal someone else.

simple spire May 11, 2025, 1:03 PM

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cedar thicket How many people use ||Gale as a Warding Bond for STUPID effective health? As I l...

You mean like Abjuration Wizard Gale?

simple spire May 11, 2025, 1:04 PM

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safe jungle I dunnow karlach as a non barb just somehow feels wrong

I find tavern brawler monk acceptable since punching the shit out of things feels on-brand

cedar thicket May 11, 2025, 1:10 PM

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simple spire You mean like Abjuration Wizard Gale?

I actually just go full Life Cleric with Gale. I fully intend to have him cast Aid, Heroes' Feast etc after each long rest.

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Any spare level 2 spell slots go into giving those without Warding Bond resistance to Poison damage.

simple spire May 11, 2025, 2:19 PM

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Something funny with Aid and Heroes' Feast is that you can have a non-active party member cast them

dawn valley May 11, 2025, 3:16 PM

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Still don't know who to romance

simple spire May 11, 2025, 3:41 PM

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I really like Lae’zel

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Far and away the best romance, IMO

neon junco May 11, 2025, 5:59 PM

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simple spire Honestly, I'd just rather exploit the Bhaalist armor

You don't get that armor until act 3, shadowblade builds you can do in act 1

simple spire May 11, 2025, 7:35 PM

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Aye, but you don’t get the resonance stone until the very end of act 2

neon junco May 11, 2025, 7:45 PM

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Resonance stone is extra, even before then it's one of the stronger builds in act 1 and 2

simple spire May 11, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Oh for sure

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Has some notable blind spots, though, IMO

grave prism May 11, 2025, 9:57 PM

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ok so

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Luminous arrow IS a spell

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it counted as a spell for the Gremishkas magic allergy

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but it DIDN'T count as a spell for the purposes of silence

tiny flint May 11, 2025, 10:05 PM

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simple spire Steel watch are immune

Honestly so long as you do the quest to take the factory offline and don’t get constantly caught committing crimes before that you really don’t fight many throughout the game

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However yah you fight

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So many mindflayers

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They’re constantly a threat

simple spire May 11, 2025, 10:10 PM

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tiny flint Honestly so long as you do the quest to take the factory offline and don’t get c...

Although the most challenging fight with them is in the factory XD

tiny flint May 11, 2025, 10:10 PM

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Oh yah they’re hard fights lol

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There just aren’t many

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Relative anyway

simple spire May 11, 2025, 10:11 PM

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Like shadow blade is good, to be clear

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And it's low-investment, frankly

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You can switch to a proper weapon, hexblades have a pretty easy time of that

tiny flint May 11, 2025, 10:11 PM

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Yah, but yah like you said the constant psychic immune enemies does hurt it bad

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…are the undead in act 2 immune to psychic damage?

simple spire May 11, 2025, 10:12 PM

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Not sure offhand

tiny flint May 11, 2025, 10:12 PM

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I may be thinking of mindless undead in PF

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Ok just a quick check in base 5e, zombies aren’t immune

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They’re immune to poison but not psychic

simple spire May 11, 2025, 10:14 PM

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But it's also worth noting that if speccing for shadow blade, then certain options are probably being skipped which you might otherwise want

tiny flint May 11, 2025, 10:16 PM

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Yah

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:17 PM

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ok so Luminous Arrow counts as a spell for the purposes of the Gremishka and counterspell, but not for silence somehow

simple spire May 11, 2025, 11:33 PM

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Maybe it just doesn't have a verbal component?

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Does the caster say anything when casting it?

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:34 PM

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our archer is eating good with these arrows damn

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:34 PM

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simple spire Does the caster say anything when casting it?

i don't think so

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that is presumably it

simple spire May 11, 2025, 11:35 PM

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Yeah, Larian actually drew that distinction in game

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Which is wild

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:35 PM

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kinda neat ngl

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also i got the holy lance helm

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so now i do radiant damage if enemies miss me

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which is going to be extremely sexy with my 20 AC

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yeah that is soooo nice

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does damage, reverberation AND radiating orb

neon junco May 11, 2025, 11:43 PM

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4 element monk works similarly, you can use it while silenced.

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:46 PM

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interesting

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also having warding flare and the holy lance helmet is so great

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you will in fact not be hitting me, take 4 damage, a stack of reverberation and two stacks of radiating orb

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oh wow

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omen huh...

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mfw i impose -1d6 to your attack roll or saving throw

simple spire May 11, 2025, 11:49 PM

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Omen's pretty cool, yeah

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:50 PM

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i'm honestly never going to use it on attack rolls

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mostly because radiating orb

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but being able to boost my allies or force an enemy to fail a saving throw is

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pretty fucking good

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it's going to be so funny in act 3 when enemies are no longer allowed to make melee attacks

simple spire May 11, 2025, 11:53 PM

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Radiant synergies in this game are very fun

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:53 PM

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one million stacks of radiant orb

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-1 million to attack roll

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https://tenor.com/view/scary-meme-dank-emoji-creepy-gif-17128309

Tenor

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which will then stack into even more radiant orbs when they miss hitting me because it will do radiant damage as well

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the only thing i do that isn't going to cause radiant damage is just like, getting hit

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which i won't be doing much of on account of the radiating orb stacks

simple spire May 11, 2025, 11:57 PM

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Still gotta watch for crits, but yeah

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:57 PM

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i do not

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adamantine shield my beloved

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there is genuinely nothing they can do

visual copper May 11, 2025, 11:58 PM

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well on a 20 they still automatically hit, it's just not a crit

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:58 PM

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yeah well that's still not a big problem

visual copper May 11, 2025, 11:59 PM

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oh yeah, just wanted to point it out

grave prism May 11, 2025, 11:59 PM

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👍

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also i didn't say but i'm going to be reverberating the shit out of anything that takes holy damage from me as well

safe jungle May 12, 2025, 1:24 AM

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Is spear a one handed weapon

rich plover May 12, 2025, 1:27 AM

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They're versatile, you can wield them in one or two hands

visual copper May 12, 2025, 2:17 AM

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yeah

cedar thicket May 12, 2025, 3:01 PM

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simple spire Something funny with Aid and Heroes' Feast is that you can have a non-active par...

As long as it's not a concentration spell that lasts. You can do so with any spell with someone you swap out of your party.

grave prism May 12, 2025, 3:49 PM

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simple spire Something funny with Aid and Heroes' Feast is that you can have a non-active par...

Good to know

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We're gonna need to abuse this in our honor mode run

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I know there's a ring that casts light on your weapon that i'm gonna abuse

simple spire May 12, 2025, 4:28 PM

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Another long-duration thing that may help one of your party members: if someone equips the drakethroat glaive, and uses Draconic Elemental Weapon on either a party member or a weapon lying on the ground, that will stick on that other weapon until the next long rest

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So once the drakethroat glaive comes along you can basically give one melee character +1 attack and damage and +1d4 elemental damage forever

visual copper May 12, 2025, 4:29 PM

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huh

simple spire May 12, 2025, 4:30 PM

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You have to recast it at the beginning of the day but

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Good stuff

grave prism May 12, 2025, 6:26 PM

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good to know

grave prism May 12, 2025, 6:41 PM

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blood of lathander get

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i'm going to use it since i don't really have anything else to use that's better rn

simple spire May 12, 2025, 6:50 PM

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The blinding can be very nice in Act 2

visual copper May 12, 2025, 7:47 PM

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the aura is nice for act 2 yeah

simple spire May 12, 2025, 8:02 PM

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Huh, so this is a bug, but it's amusing: you can pact of the blade a weapon as a non-hexblade, then respec with Whithers as a hexblade, and make another weapon a hex weapon

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Because the issue is that Hexblades with Pact of the Blade just don't get the ability to bind a pact weapon

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But a pact weapon and a hex weapon are still different things

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(And then if you want to be really cheap you can drop Warlock entirely, although it seems like you can't land the curse anymore so)

neon junco May 12, 2025, 8:08 PM

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So does blade pact not do much for a hexblade until level 5

simple spire May 12, 2025, 8:08 PM

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Yep

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At which point it becomes mandatory

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Tbh I think it's a bad decision

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Just let people dual-wield charisma weapons

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Now that polearm master works I keep trying to think of a build where using it makes sense

visual copper May 12, 2025, 8:12 PM

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simple spire Because the issue is that Hexblades with Pact of the Blade just don't get the ab...

I think they just kinda fold them together if you have both

simple spire May 12, 2025, 8:12 PM

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You specifically don't get the Bind Pact Weapon ability

visual copper May 12, 2025, 8:13 PM

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yeah but it seems to still apply Pact Weapon stuff to your Hexed Weapon

simple spire May 12, 2025, 8:14 PM

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It does

neon junco May 12, 2025, 8:15 PM

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Interesting, the extra attack in 5e is a invocation but its different for bg3. Im surprised they didnt change blade pact or hexblade in case you take both

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Or like you said pact and hex bond 2 different weapons for the CHA dual wield

visual copper May 12, 2025, 8:16 PM

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but yes they should let you dual wield

simple spire May 12, 2025, 8:17 PM

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Paladin 6/Rogue 3/Hexblade 3 would be fun and not actually all that wild

simple spire May 12, 2025, 8:36 PM

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... fuck I guess I'm playing a low-charisma character

grave prism May 12, 2025, 9:57 PM

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ok yeah i've just like

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not been taking hits in act 2

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this is fucking excellent

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woe, radiant orb be upon ye

vague sedge May 12, 2025, 11:38 PM

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I've never tried a Radiant Orb build. Might have to do that sometime

grave prism May 12, 2025, 11:42 PM

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i'm having good fun with it

visual copper May 13, 2025, 1:25 AM

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Robbing Jaheira's house for fun and profit

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(I need Khalid's Gift for the Wis boost on my Monk)

safe jungle May 13, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Imma gonna grab the constitution necklace from hell

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Try breaking my spell

neon junco May 13, 2025, 1:46 AM

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Ngl my 1st 2 playthroughs I didnt know where hope was and somehow scoured the entire map of the rest of the game but missed the hatch and also cazodor's entrance

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I just walked past cause it looked like a random setpiece building

severe robin May 13, 2025, 3:32 AM

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Woooo House of Hope cleared

safe jungle May 13, 2025, 3:50 AM

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for now

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at least until the next demon decides to make it their home

severe robin May 13, 2025, 4:21 AM

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Nah

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Hope's got it

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Epilogue Spoilers ||And I like to think Wyll and Karlach keep an eye on the place||

neon junco May 13, 2025, 5:16 AM

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safe jungle at least until the next demon decides to make it their home

Unless they change all the locks we're coming back for round 2

simple spire May 13, 2025, 12:50 PM

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visual copper (I need Khalid's Gift for the Wis boost on my Monk)

Fun fact: Khalid’s Gift makes Jaheira, and only Jaheira, immune to curses

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Which lets her rob the stormshore tabernacle consequence-free

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Less fun fact: in BG2, Khalid dies without giving her anything of the sort, and there is a specific plotline where she gets cursed and this is another place where I cannot help but think Larian really did not like BG2 specifically

visual copper May 13, 2025, 1:37 PM

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BG3 feels like it has a weird relationship to the previous games

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On the one hand it doesn't feel like they care a lot, or are dismissive (see Sarevok in particular)

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On the other there's a bunch of stuff I can mostly only call nostalgia bait

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Minsc and Jaheira being there primarily

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And some other callbacks

simple spire May 13, 2025, 1:46 PM

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I think they liked BG1

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And disliked BG2

neon junco May 13, 2025, 4:00 PM

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If I had to guess they needed something from previous baldurs gates

visual copper May 13, 2025, 4:02 PM

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tbh, it does still kinda irk me that they called it BG3

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Would have preferred it to just be an independent game

neon junco May 13, 2025, 4:04 PM

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I imagine it was a wotc thing, I don't know who reached out first like if Larian said let me work for Bg3 or wotc approached them with the offer of many moneys

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If it's the latter I can imagine wotc is like, we want a Bg3 and making a new dnd IP or series isn't an option

simple spire May 13, 2025, 4:05 PM

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visual copper tbh, it does still kinda irk me that they called it BG3

This is essentially my position, I think it’s an amazing game and its weakest points are the various cameos

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And yeah, I think Sevens is probably right

safe jungle May 13, 2025, 4:21 PM

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Yeah

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Having 3 druids

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Is a bit excessive

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And probably only done for cameos

simple spire May 13, 2025, 4:22 PM

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3?

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But yeah, you see Jaheira and it’s sort of, “you could be any cool Harper leader”

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“You could be a bard”

visual copper May 13, 2025, 4:23 PM

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It being Jaheira specifically does just feel like a cameo for nostalgia bait

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Same with Minsc

simple spire May 13, 2025, 4:26 PM

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It bothers me more with Sarevok and Viconia, though

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Since they get done dirty

visual copper May 13, 2025, 4:32 PM

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They do yeah

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Sucks to take them and then undo all their character development

simple spire May 13, 2025, 4:39 PM

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They’re just completely different people

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Sarevok was never a bhaalist! He studied with them but his interest was always power

safe jungle May 13, 2025, 4:58 PM

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simple spire But yeah, you see Jaheira and it’s sort of, “you could be any cool Harper leader...

Halsin jaheira and minsc

simple spire May 13, 2025, 4:58 PM

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Minsc is a ranger

safe jungle May 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Lies

simple spire May 13, 2025, 5:42 PM

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His whole deal is that he's a suspiciously barbarian-shaped ranger

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With a headwound

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"Rangers and hamsters everywhere rejoice" :P

grave prism May 13, 2025, 8:15 PM

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apparently circle of stars forms count as being polymorphed so i can't use Luck of the Far Realms :D

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lovely

simple spire May 13, 2025, 8:44 PM

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grave prism apparently circle of stars forms count as being polymorphed so i can't use Luck ...

Maybe you could take advantage of equipment that works in polymorph?

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There’s not tons of it

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But there’s some

grave prism May 13, 2025, 8:54 PM

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i have all of my equipment slots except like, my necklace, locked in already

neon junco May 13, 2025, 8:56 PM

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It should count as wild shape right? It uses one a wild shape charge so I assume it'd benefit from such gear

grave prism May 13, 2025, 8:57 PM

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yes

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:15 PM

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Larian patched out guilt keeping you from waking up

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:15 PM

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Yeah, hotfix 31

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Didn't touch some of the stuff I was hoping it would

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:15 PM

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simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:17 PM

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My hot take is that Shadowheart not sacrificing herself for her parents and forever remaining under Shar's thumb, especially given we literally see them return to Selune, is the Good Ending

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They say, outright, "don't sacrifice yourself and remain under Shar's thumb forever"

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:20 PM

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Yea theres like no reason for sacrifice especially after the fact with Selune taking back and I assume helps Shart against Shar

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So like her life is better than it was before, I don't imagine Selune would let Shar win in any way

visual copper May 14, 2025, 8:21 PM

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Curving Shot will now only target enemies and not neutral parties. (This could cause neutral parties to, then, naturally, also become your enemies.)

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oh hey, nice to see this fixed

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:22 PM

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I do loves sharts backstory boils down to ||Shar is petty and kidnap a future Selunite to spite Selune||

vague sedge May 14, 2025, 8:23 PM

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Still can't get over that abbreviation for Shadowheart's name. Why is my girl named after a misjudged fart 😭

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:24 PM

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Noooo that's not it at all, it's only cause it's the portmanteu of Shar and Shadow Heart (deception)

vague sedge May 14, 2025, 8:25 PM

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I know but it still sounds hilariously bad without that context

safe jungle May 14, 2025, 8:25 PM

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You know I thought Sharrans were supposed to be subtle

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:26 PM

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I mean Selune didn't find Shart and her parents unless we got involved

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But also Shar is very self absorbed

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In lore she's slightly weaker than Selune because Selune has more followers and Shar does not that take well

vague sedge May 14, 2025, 8:28 PM

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safe jungle You know I thought Sharrans were supposed to be subtle

Tbf she does do a really good job of tricking Shadowheart into becoming her follower even though Shadowheart is pretty clearly not cut out for it from the word go.

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:29 PM

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And all it took was a million amnesias

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Mother Viconia, which I think is weird she's a Sharran since her Canon ending was like she became a good person, probably is tired of Shart.

"she's developed a conscious again, wipe, take notes for next time"

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And Shar wouldn't let Viconia kill Shart despite being a major PITA cause Shar is petty and values having an almost Selunite become a Sharran

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:32 PM

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neon junco I mean Selune didn't find Shart and her parents unless we got involved

This is why I find Selunite Tav/Durge to be very fitting

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:34 PM

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I think Karlach and Durge are fitting for a wholesome she helped you conquer your evils.

I think shart/good durge is more interesting, good durge is an evil being becoming good, and Shart was a good person turned evil

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:35 PM

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neon junco Mother Viconia, which I think is weird she's a Sharran since her Canon ending wa...

I don't think Viconia ever finds another god per se in ToB, but she definitely goes to the true neutral/possibly heterodox approach to being a Sharran if she and CHARNAME have a relationship.

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That said, even if she stays neutral evil

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The Viconia in BG3 is unrecognizable

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:37 PM

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I should have said better person than good. Bg3 Viconia is cartoonishly evil

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Sort of like Sarevok in bg3

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:37 PM

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OH wait

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Viconia traveled only for a short time after parting ways with <CHARNAME>, eventually starting a cult dedicated to Shar within the massive city of Waterdeep. One of her followers would eventually turn against her, precipitating a furious Viconia to slaughter the entire cult, herself. Shar did not forgive Viconia this trespass and removed her abilities. Viconia stubbornly refused to atone, however, and instead left Waterdeep to wander the Realms. The dark elf became known as an enigmatic and powerful figure as tales of her spread...and while it was known she no longer worshipped Shar, it was also known that her clerical powers were still great. Who the dark lady now worshipped, however, was her own secret to keep. She reportedly raised an army against the Vaasan Witch-King, viciously attempting to subvert rule over his Kingdom and only barely being defeated after several military failures. Viconia prevented an attempt by the Knights of the Shield to take over Calimport...only to take over the city herself days later and institute a reign of terror and cruelty which is spoken of even years later in shuddered tones. Viconia abandoned Calimport and, it is said, returned to the Underdark from whence she came. Hers was not a gentle return, however, as Viconia would become a conquering force amongst the drow to give even Lolth pause. Her mettle had been tested by both worlds, Viconia said, and proven herself worthy. She would make the drow strong whereas now they were weak. What eventually became of Viconia is unknown and shrouded in rumor...but it is said that even the great Spider Queen does not rest easily any more.

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This is her normal ending

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She leaves Shar

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Canonically

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So uh

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I'm sorry Larian but what

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:39 PM

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Sarevok's "ending" after the game is that he was a bad guy, got brought back, then became a better person. It gets weird with him being split into normal Sarevok and bbeg villain Sarevok then merging together?

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Iirc after a lot of stories that take place after the game he just settles down

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:40 PM

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What makes it especially weird is that Sarevok was never a Bhaal worshipper

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He studied Alaundo's prophecies and Bhaal's texts, and took advantage of remaining Bhaalists

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Because he wanted to be a god

rich plover May 14, 2025, 8:40 PM

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simple spire This is her normal ending

I think it's fair for them to ignore canon outside of the games (is this from one of the books?), but extremely weird for them to ignore her canon characterization from the games

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:41 PM

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That is the epilogue from Throne of Bhaal

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:41 PM

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I'm guessing Larian got cliff notes from someone at wotc

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:41 PM

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So that is, in fact, canon from the games

rich plover May 14, 2025, 8:41 PM

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simple spire That is the epilogue from Throne of Bhaal

oh, that's super weird then

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:42 PM

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In ToB when he comes back, he explicitly says, "oh yeah, lost my Bhaal essence"

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:42 PM

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Playing DOS2 and DOS1, there's so many underlying lore conflict like the entire deity pantheon

rich plover May 14, 2025, 8:42 PM

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reading the party's epilogues feels like. step one of writing a "where are they now" for your game.

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:42 PM

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They're basically not in the same universe

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:42 PM

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I really get the strong vibe that Larian likes BG1 okay, and quite strongly dislikes BG2

safe jungle May 14, 2025, 8:42 PM

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I do find it funny that you can make fun of shadowheart’s odd name while named the Dark Urge

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:43 PM

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I do love you can introduce yourself as The Dark Urge

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:43 PM

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Also, there's at least one reference to Gorion's Ward by his name from the universally-reviled tie-in novels

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Which feels like a slap in the face

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tbh

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Gee, which one of our party could have murdered this person to shreds? Do you know Dark Urge?

rich plover May 14, 2025, 8:44 PM

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there's a lot of little references to BG2, and I think the whole Durge and Bhaal plot implies they liked it at least enough to steal from it...but it does feel like they maybe didn't pay much attention to the NPCs

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:44 PM

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Bg3 should not be Canon imo

rich plover May 14, 2025, 8:44 PM

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simple spire Also, there's at least one reference to Gorion's Ward by his name from the unive...

I think that might be WotC's fault. they did the same thing in the Magic set.

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:44 PM

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It's a great story but it doesnt adhere to bg series

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:45 PM

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rich plover I think that might be WotC's fault. they did the same thing in the Magic set.

Oh right, which was funny cause both are wotc

rich plover May 14, 2025, 8:47 PM

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we know that Larian had regularly meetings with WotC people (partly because everyone on the WotC side got laid off by the end of development, which pissed off Larian), and I'd assume a big part of that was like. Brand Identity and setting stuff. Since it doesn't make as much sense for WotC to pitch video game mechanics (although there did seem like there was cross pollination with the 5e2024 playtest material).

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:48 PM

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In the years following his resurrection by <CHARNAME>, Sarevok never settled
in any one place for long. In Berdusk he is said to have routed an army of
invading orcs, displaying such fearsome power and rage that terrified locals
weren't sure whom to fear more. In Westgate he arrived as conqueror, brutally
enforcing his will only to mysteriously vanish months later. He acted like a
man that did not know himself, and all the stories agreed that Sarevok was a
tortured soul, balancing between life and death, never to achieve either.
Eventually he disappeared, said to have assaulted the Abyss itself, or even
taken his own life. In truth, he journeyed to Kara-Tur to bury his one true
love, the warrior Tamoko. He never returned, though the stories endure.
This is Sarevok's epilogue

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:48 PM

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I think whoever their like dnd ambassor is for communication between wotc and 3rd parties isn't like a time but just a marketing employee or something

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:48 PM

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rich plover we know that Larian had regularly meetings with WotC people (partly because ever...

Ope nvm that's even worse

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:49 PM

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Yeah Larian expressed extreme displeasure with WotC when all the layoffs happened

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:50 PM

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simple spire > In the years following his resurrection by <CHARNAME>, Sarevok never settled ...

But like ... who is this guy who shows up in BG3, because he's definitely not the above!

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:50 PM

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Understandable, Larian is one of the few games companies that have long term dev teams & writers. It seems like a good gig there since

rich plover May 14, 2025, 8:50 PM

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simple spire Yeah Larian expressed extreme displeasure with WotC when all the layoffs happene...

👆 which they've said is a part of why they weren't interested in doing DLC or BG4 as their next big project

simple spire May 14, 2025, 8:52 PM

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~~My hot take is also that Orin being A Bad Seed Born With Bad Blood is less interesting than setting her up as a normal person who chose this might have been~~

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~~Specifically as a foil to Durge~~

neon junco May 14, 2025, 8:53 PM

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I always assumed she was supposed to get an arc like ketheric did, but since upper city was cut early in development she got relegated to a few random surprise appearances then you kill her

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To me it'd make sense if act 2 was Ketheric, Lower city was Orin, Upper City Gortash

rich plover May 14, 2025, 8:54 PM

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I think it's interesting that the bhaalspawn plot seems to have been the plan from the beginning, with the early access Tav always having that kind of murderous impulse. They eventually shifted that into Durge, but that probably informed how they developed the cult of Bhaal in general. So they clearly thought calling back to the old games was a good idea, but it doesn't really feel like you need Sarevok to do that? Like. you have a family connection already, it's Bhaal

vague sedge May 14, 2025, 9:09 PM

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rich plover 👆 which they've said is a part of why they weren't interested in doing DLC or B...

I know it's not in the cards for the near future, but I'd love to see a Larian Pathfinder 2e game

rich plover May 14, 2025, 9:11 PM

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It'll be really interesting to see what they take away from working with D&D vs the bespoke systems in Divinity.

vague sedge May 14, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Part of the reason I'd like to see Pathfinder is that 2e's 3-action turns are very similar to how AP works in Original Sin. Just without the ability to carry over AP between turns

neon junco May 14, 2025, 9:32 PM

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I know Pathfinder had just a million 3rd party books. I'd imagine either they're very hands off on the IP or they're heavily involved with any big 3rd party content creators

visual copper May 14, 2025, 9:33 PM

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vague sedge I know it's not in the cards for the near future, but I'd love to see a Larian P...

if only

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I'd take any high profile PF2 game

neon junco May 14, 2025, 9:34 PM

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But also I don't imagine Larian would have any reason to do another IP instead of Divinity unless Paizo gave them money

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Even then maybe not, Larian said Bg3 gave them tons of money for them to spend as long as they want* for their next game.

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Bg3 was 7 or 8 years in active development too

vague sedge May 14, 2025, 9:39 PM

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neon junco Bg3 was 7 or 8 years in active development too

I remember WOTC saying they wanted a BG3 sized game every 1-2 years after the game was a success, and everyone who knew the development timeline was like "haha fuck off"

visual copper May 14, 2025, 9:41 PM

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lmao

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it's honestly kind of a miracle that BG3 was as successful as it was too

simple spire May 14, 2025, 9:42 PM

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Constellation of factors

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One of them being that big single player RPGs like this continue to get conveniently ignored

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By publishers

neon junco May 14, 2025, 9:45 PM

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I imagine they see an rpg, sees how long it takes for a long one, one time purchases mostly, and pass for something safer like pvp shooter

simple spire May 14, 2025, 9:46 PM

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Hard to draw it on for indefinite profits, too

neon junco May 14, 2025, 9:47 PM

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Yea, many publishers choose not to do rpgs cause profit

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Exceptions are like the biggest names in rpgs and even then for every rpg focused studios there's like 10 other studios that will never do one

simple spire May 14, 2025, 9:48 PM

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Also like

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Arguably the consistent, short-term profit in RPGs

neon junco May 14, 2025, 9:49 PM

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vague sedge I remember WOTC saying they wanted a BG3 sized game every 1-2 years after the ga...

COD usually has 3 full studios under their belt only making COD historically to get yearly series, and wotc laid off the Bg3 side near the end. There's just no way

simple spire May 14, 2025, 9:49 PM

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Is lower-budget games with faster turnaround

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And in that space you have to suddenly like ... compete with indies?

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Which is not a very sensible thing to do

neon junco May 14, 2025, 9:49 PM

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I always see like 1-2 people indie devs as exceptions cause compared to a studio their costs are very low

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Living wage is a lot of money for an indie but if an indie doesn't make enough they can return to a different job and try again. If a studio goes bankrupt that's it for the studio

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Indie devs don't need nearly as many purchases for a return compared to a studio

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Which is nice for competition cause not every game needs to be a bottom dollar one that tries to appeal to everyone. You can have a hyper specific niche with sequels if you draw the audience you want

simple spire May 14, 2025, 9:56 PM

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Yep

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And frankly, at that tier of production, a lot more just depends on writing and vibes, which is way more difficult to manufacture consistently

neon junco May 14, 2025, 9:58 PM

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I knew Bg3 was going to be successful cause Larian has a strong fanbase, history, and ability to execute but I didn't expect it to like, spread so fast and vast with word of mouth to the point many people who weren't gamers or knew dnd got into it.

visual copper May 14, 2025, 9:59 PM

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I expected it to be about as much as DOS2

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not this much

neon junco May 14, 2025, 9:59 PM

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Yea, DOS2 is a big name in rpg circles but average gamer probably wouldn't know the Divinity series if they weren't rpg fans

visual copper May 14, 2025, 9:59 PM

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but if it had sold only as well as DOS2, Larian probably would have been in trouble too

neon junco May 14, 2025, 10:01 PM

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I thought it wouldn't be as low as Dos2 numbers since dnd IP would draw 5e fans but that's the most I was expecting of like rpg fans who know Larian is good and dnd 5e fans cause there's not many 5e video games at all but not much more reach than that

simple spire May 14, 2025, 10:01 PM

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Doing some early access probably also helped a lot

neon junco May 14, 2025, 10:03 PM

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I do respect Larian for taking all that money from Bg3 and they knew they could probably make more in bg4 but decided to do something cause wotc is not friendly to most content creators

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And you know the lay offs

simple spire May 14, 2025, 10:04 PM

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Yeah

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I do think they could do some fun stuff with PF2e

visual copper May 14, 2025, 10:05 PM

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I so desperately want a big PF2 CRPG

neon junco May 14, 2025, 10:05 PM

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I usually don't glaze companies even ones I like because they're not people and if owner changes they can get awful fast. But so far Larian hasn't wronged me

visual copper May 14, 2025, 10:05 PM

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it would work so well

#Baldur's Gate 3