Honestly I probably would but I'mma be a bardadin w/a big sword
#Baldur's Gate 3
simple spire
And since ||Shart eventually converts it seems kinda fitting||
It is very funny that her reaction to ||turning to Selune is to dye her hair white||
Like Shart you realize that's not a requirement right
neon junco
But also like ||where did Shart get white hair dye in between the moonrise towers after the gauntlet of Shar and the road to Baldur's Gate. Either she just always had white hair dye for some reason or found a hair dye merchant along the way||
tiny flint
Hey I’m having a question about multiplayer issues, where a new player is joining and even though the player who isn’t play Tav is in the closest, they’re being assigned that Tav instead of being prompted to make their own
simple spire
But also like ||where did Shart get white hair dye in between the moonrise tower...
Maybe she did it with magic
winged vapor
I’m running a wizard (I like the spell options) lore bard with cleric dip and light cleric plus tiger barb
I think it’s my strongest group so far
simple spire
Yeah spellcasters are strong in this game
Martials have good itemization that makes them more competitive
As do the weapon powers
But casters ... also have good itemization
(It was absolutely the right move to ignore the 5e item rules and go back to D&D's classic approach -- they serve a purpose of retaining mechanical simplicity at the table but there's no need for that when a computer is doing it for you)
neon junco
Yea the magic items for martial seem to be more powerful than full caster's and raelly helps put martials and spellcasters be on equal footing at high level
Also a lot of martial magical items provide situational buffs that slightly alter your playstyle so like it's not just the same thing the entire game
Oh boy i'm about to start a 6 player modded bg3 playthough and 4 of them haven't played dnd or a crpg before.
With Into the Void to bring all the NPCs in open world but they vanish during combat.
hexed inlet
good luck on your game not breaking
neon junco
Fingers crossed its gonna be hectic
The only major bug I know of beforehand is grimforge boat for takes 4 people and so the 2 extra players will sit out because if you visit camp after the boat ride to rest and bring in the extra players you'll fail the timed quest
hexed inlet
dang
neon junco
But mod doesn't increase difficulty and like 6 PCs should be able to handle tactician easily even if half the players are brand spanking new
I think i'll be Warlock 3 pact tome for guidance and rest in Bard for bardic to be the ultimate support for ability checks and also do some healing and CC
I realize players completely new to crpgs and D&D have a lot to learn. On a 4 person trial run my brother was a cleric and he didn't know how spellslots and cantrips worked so he blew his spells and didn't have any damage cantrips. I got to compile a list of things to tell them
Like how actions and bonus actions worked
Also Astarion's character design is so extremely unsubtle, everyone knew to bg3's in the trial run immediately guessed he was a vampire no hesistation
Does anyone have any mod recs for bg3? I've never played with any
I don't care much for aesthetic ones
simple spire
Camp Event notifications is honestly the biggest one
It does sometimes cause camp event stuff to go really fast but like
Getting to see all the events is such a positive change imo
neon junco
Oh that's a great one I didn't know about
simple spire
If you don't do any other mods, do that one
tiny flint
Camp Event notifications is honestly the biggest one
I’d that just for any events or just story ones?
Like will it tell you about a romance trigger?
simple spire
I’d that just for any events or just story ones?
It will tell you about any camp night events
Romance, party conflict, story stuff, you name it
tiny flint
oh nice
neon junco
Oh man I finally did it the mod monster is done. 6 player multiplayer coop with extra 2 empty PC slots and we've recruited all the NPC companions active at all times except in combat they vanish so it's just the 6 PC's fighting
hexed inlet
geez
soft tundra
thats gaming
simple spire
gammmmmmming
neon junco
6 PCs on tactician is a lot, although its currently more like 5 cause one of the players just runs around and shoves other PCs into enemies and sometimes forgets to use their action
simple spire
...
neon junco
They do like the narrative part
simple spire
Sounds like you've captured the tabletop experience!
neon junco
We're letting said player lead and it's currently like her wanting to do the most chaotic or evil option but chooses otherwise probably cause previous games she's played punished her for being evil
But slowly and slowly we're pushing her to the dark side and she's choosing more options she wants with less reservations
rich plover
I like the dynamic of one player being the durge, and the rest of the party being their dark urge
neon junco
Surprisingly she did not pick dark urge
When she met gale for the first time she even asked ooc sometbibg like "it'd be funny you could cut off his hand" and I just sat there and had to say nothing
First time playing bg3, or a crpg, or anything DND related
hollow wind
Can I share a silly BG video here?
hexed inlet
yes
hollow wind
He should, he's only got one left
though I do always get worried when I see the views drop over time on any longer-running youtube series
hexed inlet
they were also posted months apart
simple spire
Man the combat is so much more compelling on Tactician
hexed inlet
it's more interesting yeah
winged vapor
It is yeah
I’m curious how honor mode is because tactician has been decently easy so far but definitely more interesting
hexed inlet
I really like bg3's treatment of ritual spells
winged vapor
Long strider is so good
simple spire
I really like bg3's treatment of ritual spells
It makes certain spells worth taking because using them comes at no opportunity cost to combat
hexed inlet
yeah, since it's basically always better using your turn to hit something rather than applying a buff
and you don't have to worry about timing or eating spell slots
it means you end up actually using those spells a lot more
simple spire
Basically the only exception is Bless which is just so good
austere hinge
Talk with animals :3
simple spire
Yep
austere hinge
Always kissens for the puppers
simple spire
If Speak With Animals required a spell slot it'd be way less of an automatic pick
winged vapor
Did you find the double bless staff ?
simple spire
It's actually not as good as it seems
The doubled bless only applies to spell attacks aiui, despite the unclear wording
When I first looked I thought it was doubled bless for regular attacks and tripled bless for spell attacks
Alas
I was mistaken
winged vapor
Oh no
Really?
Oh well
I don’t cast it anywho almost ever I just use the bless ring
simple spire
The description makes it sound like it's added on top of bless
But it's describing the cumulative effect of bless and mystra's blessing
soft tundra
I’m curious how honor mode is because tactician has been decently easy so far bu...
The extra buffs to boss fights really makes Act 1 a lot more dangerous, so it rewards you knowing how to get as much out-of-combat exp as possible early on; as you get your builds going or as you super-cheese stuff if you go that angle, it gets easier until some of the Act 3 endgame stuff
hexed inlet
for me the only real roadblock was the act 2 finale
soft tundra
thats a pretty long sequence with no time to re-prep stuff ye
winged vapor
The paladins of tyr were actually rough because I went too early and I get stomped by 97 smites in a row
soft tundra
that guy aint playing around hes got a big sword and he will use it
winged vapor
Yeah lol
I just tossed my TAV barb at him while I shot him full of holes
I’m not sure what I want to bring to honor mode honestly
soft tundra
my successful honor mode run ended up being a half-orc rogue 8/bard4 to just be a super skill monkey and really good at running away
winged vapor
So far I think barb has the best dialogue options, especially the fact that I randomly get advantage often lol
tiny flint
So many barb dialogue options are just, failing at a problem and deciding to do the same thing harder
soft tundra
Oathbreaker Paladin has been my fave for unique dialogue outside of origin Karlach
simple spire
Oathbreaker gets some rad options
Some that are just "well I'm very evil" but a lot more that are "I'm an existentialist"
soft tundra
There was a line along the lines of "ive already betrayed my oath; betraying you will be easy" that always stuck out to me
simple spire
I like the thing you can say to the myconids
winged vapor
Yeah oath breaker is great
I think I just enjoy barb because sometimes it’s fun to just be tougher than everyone around and the NPCs know that
simple spire
I actually really dislike a lot of the generic paladin options
The one for Withers I hate
It's very "lawful-judgmental asshole paladin"
hollow wind
I’m curious how honor mode is because tactician has been decently easy so far bu...
My understanding is that honor mode is the same difficulty as tactician. The difference is you can not use any forms of reroll
hexed inlet
nah it has more stuff
I believe the stats are higher, and bosses have special legendary actions
there are also a few things that are specifically nerfed for the player in honor mode
tiny flint
I actually really dislike a lot of the generic paladin options
I think they’re mostly fine
Though a lot of it is basically brandishing divine authority
simple spire
Though a lot of it is basically brandishing divine authority
Which I hate as the vibe for paladins
simple spire
I believe the stats are higher, and bosses have special legendary actions
I wish I could get the legendary actions without increasing stats further or being limited to one save slot
hexed inlet
there is a mod for it
tiny flint
Like telling Kagha to actually not hold a child against their will without anyone else to challenge her
hexed inlet
or you can play in custom mode
hollow wind
DONT TRY THAT
charred niche
I wish I could get the legendary actions without increasing stats further or bei...
Yeah I severely wish we got options instead of just weird weird 'levels' of difficulty that actually add content
hexed inlet
Yeah I severely wish we got options instead of just weird weird 'levels' of diff...
that's custom mode
charred niche
Forgot about Custom but do they have the Honor extras
tiny flint
Yah I used a mod to add in the extra enemy features in honor mode to my tactician playthrough
Legendary actions are fun
charred niche
This game is too ridiculous and simultaneously too buggy for me to ever want one save
hexed inlet
honor mode came out after release
so it was like "here's an extra super hard challenge mode for the maniacs"
charred niche
well yeah but it's not fun to lock whole mechanics behind that idk
Mods fix it its fine I guess
hexed inlet
again you can enable the honour stuff in custom, or start an honour mode game and when you die it gives you an option to either leave or continue the save in custom mode with unlimited saves
charred niche
honor mode came out after release
Oh sorry I thought this was saying you couldn't add em
hexed inlet
nah
simple spire
again you can enable the honour stuff in custom, or start an honour mode game an...
Oh I didn't see an option for honor stuff in custom
hexed inlet
I haven't looked but I assumed there was since you can do the second thing I mentioned
and mechanically it's identical to honour
hollow wind
Sorry my all caps things was
DONT TRY THAT. Dark Urge x Honor mode is for the mentally unwell
<-- Says the one who did like 300 hours of it
Now I need to learn how to mod BG3 and try out more classes
simple spire
Modding is very easy
Download the mod loader and the script extender
Add mods to the mod loader
That’s basically it
simple spire
Folks, remind me: I've heard there's a way to get Karlach without triggering the Raphael event by like ... jumping from somewhere in the grove. Can anyone tell me where exactly?
hollow wind
I think there's a cave if you move left from the first vendor in the grove
you climb a ladder to get there
soft tundra
Folks, remind me: I've heard there's a way to get Karlach without triggering the...
Do you know the cave that the tief leaders are in?
simple spire
Yes
soft tundra
Theres a way up from there to the river
soft tundra
This game is too ridiculous and simultaneously too buggy for me to ever want one...
Theyve fixed most bugs now
At the very least, i completed an entire durge honor run with no bugs
tiny flint
Got to (act 3 spoilers) ||Minsc||
simple spire
Hm. Swords Bard 10/Paladin 2, or Swords Bard 8/Divination Wizard 2/Paladin 2?
soft tundra
Bard 12 💪🎵
simple spire
Absolutely not
soft tundra
Im out of ideas then
winged vapor
The first one
severe robin
Bard 2 Divination Wizard 10
tiny flint
So act 3 Wyll storyline spoiler but ||man I really don’t like how Wyll can’t choose to save himself or his father himself||
||and then if you choose to save Wyll over his father the game judges Wyll like he made the choice||
||it feels weirdly judgmental when the game makes it pretty clear how terrible of a hand Wyll has been dealt his entire life||
hexed inlet
yeah I was a bit miffed you can't just say "you pick dude" because there are similar scenarios where you can
tiny flint
Yah like every other origin companion lets them pick instead
It’s especially weird because like ||the contract wasn’t that Mizora would claim the Duke’s soul or whatever, just that she wouldn’t help us find him||
||its not like Wyll sold his father’s soul to her||
||he rejected her bad deal for his personal freedom||
neon junco
So act 3 Wyll storyline spoiler but ||man I really don’t like how Wyll can’t cho...
In the same vein act 2 ||Depending on your secret relationship points with Shart she can be unsure whether to kill the nightsong or not and lean on your judgement.||
neon junco
yeah I was a bit miffed you can't just say "you pick dude" because there are sim...
That is true
The often "you pick" choices reflect what path you led your companion down but it makes sense to let them decide narratively
simple spire
In the same vein act 2 ||Depending on your secret relationship points with Shart...
You can also ||tell her to decide and she won’t||
neon junco
You can also ||tell her to decide and she won’t||
Hmm weird on my first playthrough I said ||You follow your heart or whatever and she chose to spare cause I was pushing her to be good and reject Shar. 2nd playthrough was pure Shar Shart and I was I won't get in her way she just stabbed nightsong. Final playthrough I didn't have Shart but when she showed up I let her choose and she chose to stab after she asked me questions about it.||
tiny flint
Also the question, can you savage attack a thrown weapon?
I’m considering reclassing Karlach into a throwing build
simple spire
Hmm weird on my first playthrough I said ||You follow your heart or whatever and...
Won’t ||stab her, I mean||
neon junco
It should, last I played buffs to melee weapons still allow to thrown weapons if it says with a melee weapon, it's just thrown basically lets you make a ranged attack with a melee weapon. Also respecs are cheap and savage attack is great feat in bg3
A big upgrade from 5e (reroll 1 damage die) and goes crazy with Monk, Paladin, or Rogue that rolls a lot of damage dice.
tiny flint
Ok sick
I’m still not sure I’ll do it, I do like her current barbarian battle master fighter build
But throwing builds are crazy strong with how tavern brawler is in this game
And the trident I got from the roulette wheel
neon junco
Yea being able to reroll extra damage is huge
Since rogues just roll a lot for sneak attack, paladins for smite, and monks have like a lot of magic items that give unarmed attacks elemental damage for rainbow builds.
tiny flint
Also it’s not possible to use a maneuver with a thrown attack right?
neon junco
No I don't think so, at least I couldn't figure it out
simple spire
Hm, for a bardadin wielding Balduran’s Giantslayer, between getting to 24 strength or getting savage attack, which would folks go for?
tiny flint
24 strength personally
simple spire
Using GWM
neon junco
What are your sources of non weapon damage. I'd say savage attack cause the +1 to atk rolls and +1 damage is nice but you can deal a lot more damage with savage attack
simple spire
What are your sources of non weapon damage. I'd say savage attack cause the +1 t...
Smite’s gonna be the big one
neon junco
I think this is the post that convinced me
https://www.reddit.com/r/BG3Builds/comments/16iep9v/evaluating_savage_attacker_and_other_mechanics/
Basically depending on the dice it's a +1 average damage for d4 and +2 average damage for a d12 and scales more with each dice added to your melee weapons like random d4's from elemental damage gloves or whatever
So if you're focusing on just damage and don't need that +1 atk roll accuracy from 24 STR then Savage Attack without any bonus damage already deals more damage on average, then gets way better with smites and magic items
winged vapor
Reckless and savage don’t work on thrown, I tried this yesterday and neither worked
simple spire
I think this is the post that convinced me
https://www.reddit.com/r/BG3Builds/co...
I guess that tracks, much obliged
winged vapor
Uhh tactician I think
I’ll test again tonight and confirm
But yeah it’s tactician
neon junco
Ah might have been patched its been a while since I've played, I did that savage attacker frenzy throwing barb before honor mode was released
Monstrous damage that doesn't rely on lightning and wet
winged vapor
Yeah throwing is also patched in honor mode, well sorta
My fav barb now does the Maim prone combo
neon junco
Neil Newbon is a treasure
simple spire
Planning builds for my Tactician playthrough
Tav: Vengeance Paladin 2/Swords Bard 10
Shadowheart: Devotion Paladin 5/Cleric 7 (focus on radiant stuff)
Astarion: Wildheart Barbarian 6/Thief Rogue 4/Fighter 2
Lae'zel: Ancients Paladin 7/Fiend Bladelock 5
Gale: Draconic Sorcerer 12
Wyll: Sorcerer 6/Old One Warlock 2/Champion Fighter 4 (I think this is funny)
Karlach: Battlemaster Fighter 12
Minthara: Fighter 1/Open Hand Monk 8/Thief Rogue 3 (I also think this is funny)
Halsin: Moon Druid 12
tiny flint
What’s the barbarian rogue synergy for Astarion?
neon junco
Reckless for advantage on all attacks so sneak attack always procs
And rogue weapons just need finesse for sneak attack and can use STR for damage and attack rolls along with dual wielding
simple spire
What’s the barbarian rogue synergy for Astarion?
Also Wildheart Barb 6 gets you the ability to grant yourself temp hp when you dash, and rogues get bonus action dashes. As well as an extra bonus action, which can be used for another attack with Duelist's prerogative.
So that's 12 temp hp every round and resistance to everything but psychic while raging
tiny flint
And rogue weapons just need finesse for sneak attack and can use STR for damage ...
Oh huh that feels kinda weird but neat
tiny flint
Also Wildheart Barb 6 gets you the ability to grant yourself temp hp when you da...
Also that’s sick
simple spire
Plus rage ends if you can't attack, so ... moving really fast all the time helps keep it going
Zoom zoom goes the vampire
I guess I could just make Karlach a battlemaster >_<
tiny flint
Old reliable
hexed inlet
eldritch knight karlach was lovely
neon junco
Arcane Synergy was a fun buff for eldritch knight
simple spire
Okay, I think I'll do a warlock eldritch blast spam build with Wyll
All the crit fishing
tiny flint
The classic
How do eldritch blast builds get those insane damage numbers btw?
I know there’s ways to stack different damage types but I haven’t really found much in my playthrough
simple spire
There are some damage riders you can put on EB, but also firing shitloads of blasts helps
neon junco
Potent Robes adds your CHA to each eldritch blast ray
tiny flint
Does that stack with the existing cha to damage from warlock?
neon junco
Yes
tiny flint
Sick
simple spire
Potent Robes are very strong
They also give you +Cha temp HP every turn
One could even call them potent
neon junco
Assuming CHA is +4 that's +8 damage to each ray and you get 2 rays at level 5 although you get the robes not in act 1
simple spire
Also Cha is one of the easiest stats to skyrocket
Since Mirror of Loss can grant you +3 total to it
neon junco
It used to be that you could go draconic sorcerer 6 for +Cha to lightning damage which buffed spellsparkler staff that adds 1 lightning damage to your weapon but that's been patched out I believe
neon junco
And amulet of elemental augmentation did the same but an amulet
simple spire
But it certainly does not anymore
neon junco
I've seen people say it worked
I used it in my early playthrough
simple spire
Ah okay
But yeah start with 17, ASI: Charisma +2, Mirror of Loss +3, Birthright hat +2
24 ez
Can even give the hair to someone else
simple spire
Okay, figured out the lineup. I think I might end up with 8 Int on every single character >_>
hollow wind
So here's a question about BG3 from a mechanics standpoint/does real DND do this?
Is agility just the straight best stat?
and intelligence useless?
Agility gives you AC, initiative, and finesse and ranged weapons scael off it
Plus some of the armors super scale with it
rich plover
kind of, yeah. Intelligence doesn't have a lot of intrinsic mechanical connections unless your class cares about it.
hollow wind
this also makes me ask, is heavy armor almost always less useful than medium or max investment llight?
neon junco
So in bg3 a lot of STR based magic items like armor and weapons put STR over Agility in terms of damage
Agility is still good all rounder stat that improves AC, initiative, ranged/finesse weapons
hollow wind
like I'm trying to download the artificer class mod since it seems cool
neon junco
As for intelligence, still not the most useful outside of int classes
hollow wind
but my understanding is pretty much int is still useless
neon junco
Early game there's an item that sets int to 17 and it makes int a possible dump stat for INT classes ironically
neon junco
I think in bg3 so far it's only been INT saves, which comes up semi-frequently late game and INT skill checs
BG3 is generous in giving you magic items that makes your builds broke
It's a good balancing act that martial magic items are generally stronger and more unique than spellcasting magic items so pure martials have a role
tiny flint
this also makes me ask, is heavy armor almost always less useful than medium or ...
I will say even with max investment heavy armor tends to lead to higher AC
neon junco
And STR based items are often stronger than Agility based, and STR is more useful since shoving and jumping are STR based and bonus actions (jumping uses 10 ft of movement but can jump more than 10 ft)
tiny flint
Minus weird magic armor Larian made that lets you add dex to heavy armor
neon junco
Minus weird magic armor Larian made that lets you add dex to heavy armor
That's like late game, you're basically done with the story at that point though. Act 3 has super bonkers stuff
severe robin
So here's a question about BG3 from a mechanics standpoint/does real DND do this...
No. Baldur's Gate 3 has actually significantly buffed Strength relative to Dex
tiny flint
That's like late game, you're basically done with the story at that point though...
Fair yah
neon junco
Also a weird thing is some classes benefit more from medium armor. Barbarians can use medium armor without penalties and monks can too
tiny flint
Also yah jump alone has actually made strength character significantly better mobility then Dex characters
neon junco
Also yah jump alone has actually made strength character significantly better mo...
Ironic, but yea jumping is great and lots of elavation differences makes jumping worth it than spending a turn to dash around
tiny flint
Strength monk/rogue is insanely mobile
neon junco
Tavern Brawler feat my favorite problem child
STR Monk in heavy armor being SAD is just a weird bg3 specific build but one that's interesting
tiny flint
SAD?
neon junco
Single Ability Dependent
tiny flint
Ah yah
It is very funny when 5e monks are exclusively Dex characters
They really are just worse if they choose strength
neon junco
A STR monk only needs STR and can dump wisdom/dex/int/cha
And of course CON is useful for everyone
tiny flint
It doesn’t really help that BG3 doesn’t include the main reasons to increase wisdom on a monk
Your DC for Ki actions
neon junco
Weird that Ki action DC is STR/DEX when it says Wis
tiny flint
Yah
I presume that was just an oversight they haven’t caught yet though
Or I guess never will now that updates are over
neon junco
I'm surprised if they didn't notice, the balance patch in Honor mode was really thorough
hollow wind
No. Baldur's Gate 3 has actually significantly buffed Strength relative to Dex
Really how so?
Cause I see a lot of build optimization is essentially going lock 3 to max out charisma and be a good fighter\talker
I'm not blaming im just curious because I want to know if there's more to the system
severe robin
Jumping took movement equal to distance moved, combined with no GM ever really bothering to do verticality or anything (can you blame them?)
Shoving used one of your attacks, instead of being a bonus action, and only knocked enemies prone, not moved them.
Magic items not existing meaning Strength pretty much existed for using non-finesse weapons, carry weight, and shoving/jumping, which rarely ever get used
Basically, the only things Strength was used for that you couldn't substitute Dex, were nowhere near as useful as what Dex could do
charred niche
Honestly kind of boring how they just made strength the clear best instead of dex, no balance in either version
Part of it's for sure Tavern Brawlers power compared to the rest of feats which are kind of ¿??????
soft tundra
Dex is still absurd in bg3?
charred niche
Maybe for init?
charred niche
Heavy Armor in the game kind of beats out the ac thing
And archery is only useful for archery I guess idk I don't like Str being useless but also not a fan of 'everyone should carry the maximum strength club' and Tavern Brawler Monk and /shrug
soft tundra
Then dont
gaunt jackal
Yeah then don't do that
charred niche
Lmao sorry
hollow wind
I think they pick your better stat
It seemed like they tried to take an approach that upgraded classes
But I was just wondering as above what int was actually good for
Cause a lot of stuff that I would think is int is wisdom
stray basalt
BG3 still telling me that a detect thoughts roll is gonna be made with wisdom and then pulling a fast-one to int when I select it
hollow wind
Detect thoughts I never quite understand
Does it always work? Like does it give you insight?
Or can it aggro people? Like friends does
Cause the last time I used Friends to get a discount, I started a racial war between the druids and Tieflings on my dark urge honor mode
winged vapor
Does anyone have an easy way I can inflict burn ?
wise mango
grease and then place a torch down on the grease
austere hinge
Alchemical fire too
winged vapor
Darn I hoping for a weapon or gear
hollow wind
there's like the thermodynamo axe and fire greatsword you get at the start of the game too, right?
simple spire
I don't think Everburn Blade inflicts burning
Neither does the axe
It just causes heat on the wielder
winged vapor
Yeah, I was just hoping for an easy way to use the cinder boots on my barb
Hmm if I dip my weapon in fire does it just do fire damage or burn
I can’t recall
hexed inlet
fire dmg
simple spire
Which one? The one that gives you an extra bonus action below 50% hp?
Also finishing my build plans. Karlach straight Battlemaster, what should be her endgame weapon? Balduran, the Silver Sword, Duelist’s Prerogative, and Orin’s dagger are all taken. Nyrulna seems like an obvious pick but can we do better?
winged vapor
Nah the momentum for 3 rounds at the start of combat
simple spire
Oh okay
hollow wind
I'm a big fan of the polearms in the game. halberd of vigilance is cool
There's also that 2h axe that summons a shadow clone of itself
gaunt jackal
Also finishing my build plans. Karlach straight Battlemaster, what should be her...
Go Dex, use Gontr Mael, win the video game
winged vapor
Oh yeah it’s a nutty bow
winged vapor
It also works with great weapon master and sneak attack
hollow wind
I find it humorous that the fighter "the boring plain jane" works so darn well in this game
winged vapor
Iirc
hollow wind
great weapon master turns out procs off of like any two hander
winged vapor
No class should be boring 🙂 good work larian
hollow wind
so even weapons not called greatswords or greatclubs work
winged vapor
Also the animation for barbs using polearms is different I think
I have to go back and compare
neon junco
I would also recommend Savage Attacker which is buffed to to reroll every damage die on a melee weapon attack including extra sources of damage like smite, sneak attack, magic items
Which includes monk fists
simple spire
I feel weird not giving Karlach a strength build >_>
neon junco
Fiend warlock Karlach
hollow wind
with Mizora as patron xD
simple spire
It’s true that I don’t actually have a ranged attack specialist other than Blaster Wyll
winged vapor
Could make her a ranger
My Wildheart barb can walk through spikes growth
Oh damn
That’s nifty
simple spire
I think I’m sticking with Fighter
neon junco
The STR bow?
winged vapor
Yeah
simple spire
… eh, let’s do Nyrulna. Maybe I’ll even have enough feats for Tavern Brawler for stupid throws.
Besides it’s available early in act 3 which is cool
hollow wind
honest question
how are you supposed to know nyrulna exists without a guide
there's no way on earth I'd think this is how I unlock a random weapon
neon junco
I imagine for most people you don't, but there's a subtle hint in the dialogue
neon junco
Act 3 ||it suggests the genie is cheating somehow using a magic item so naturally if you steal it then it doesn't work, weird you can't use like arcane trickster mage hand to counter their invisible mage hand||
It's a very narrow train of logic to follow
If you never steal then you'd never know
hollow wind
right, but like, how do we know that path doesn't just end in us getting deleted
like htere's no hint that omg there's a secret power/weapon this way
neon junco
There's very few game over screens and they tend to be very obvious from dialogue where it warns you and makes you really click through several lines with an opt out at each one
But also it's like a secret thing moreso
hexed inlet
Act 3 ||it suggests the genie is cheating somehow using a magic item so naturall...
fun fact you can also use the little trade icon during dialogue to buy it
neon junco
Bg3 has a lot of secrets that only have 1 specific path to it
neon junco
fun fact you can also use the little trade icon during dialogue to buy it
Amazing I never thought of that
hexed inlet
also for the record I found nyrulna on my own with no guide or idea it existed
via pickpocket
neon junco
Like the act 1 underdark wholeass separate area with ||kuotoa||
hexed inlet
those guys are fun lol
neon junco
You're really supposed to find a small corner of the underdark that's unassuming and just ||jump into it?||
hexed inlet
you don't have to jump
neon junco
And yet you can't do the same for the ||hole that literally growls at you||
simple spire
I think BG3 really sticks the landing in terms of having both old-school CRPG missable secrets and lots of cool signposted stuff
neon junco
there's a rock thing to climb
Learning new things every time about bg3 despite 3 playthroughs where i try to scour every corner
hollow wind
It's overall veryfun
hollow wind
but like, I'm definitely playing it with a guide
neon junco
If you have limited time for a playthrough or 2 that's fair, saves a lot of time that way
hexed inlet
I was very fastidious about avoiding spoilers until I beat the game
neon junco
Or if you have major fomo
neon junco
I was very fastidious about avoiding spoilers until I beat the game
Same I missed so much on the 1st playthrough it was like I skipped a 1/3rd of the game despite clicking on every vase
I don't think except for 1 vase in withers temple I've found a vase with anything in it
hexed inlet
yeah having two failed playthroughs that ended in acts 1 and 2 respectively meant I got to see a lot more stuff using that knowledge
and I got better at exploring
winged vapor
This run I finally thought about destroying the every burning torches in act 2
hexed inlet
but there's still stuff I know is out there and I haven't done
winged vapor
And got a cool ride as a result
hexed inlet
This run I finally thought about destroying the every burning torches in act 2
wait what
hollow wind
the secret dog boss
neon junco
I usually do 1 rpg run too, I did a 2nd for durge and evil path which is very different and shorter since a lot of npcs are dead
hexed inlet
oh the dogs
hollow wind
I did 3 runs
simple spire
How does ASI: Strength, Tavern Brawler, Charger, and Martial Adept sound for feats?
simple spire
For Nyrulna-and-shield build
hollow wind
and DURGE III who beat the game
winged vapor
Resist urge is great
simple spire
I guess maybe Savage Attacker would be better than one Martial Adept?
neon junco
So weird thing with Savage Attacker is it now only affects thrown weapon's base weapon dice and not it's rider damage
Not sure if that's intended
winged vapor
But it works on all damage dice from normal melee
simple spire
Aye, but I figure I’ll be doing both melee and thrown
winged vapor
I’m using elixirs so I have room for more feet’s and it’s been great
neon junco
So weird thing with Savage Attacker is it now only affects thrown weapon's base ...
Specifically when thrown
simple spire
Drop Charger or drop Martial Adept?
neon junco
I'm not a fan of charger since it uses bonus action and action
hollow wind
Isn't charger a terrible feat?
neon junco
I usually want to use bonus actions on every character
hexed inlet
what are you using charger for
neon junco
Isn't charger a terrible feat?
I've never seen it used in 5e but in bg3 it gives +5 damage to first attack
And counts as one attack so extra attacks can happen
simple spire
I don’t have a ton of bonus action abilities is the big thing
neon junco
It's for a pure fighter right?
simple spire
Yeah
I mean in theory I could also drop a feat and take some kind of 1-level dip
Or take Resilient or something
Since this is Karlach she will have the racial smites
But only two of them so
hexed inlet
wrong thread gk
simple spire
Wooops
neon junco
A medium dip but frenzy berserker 3 for frenzy throw or attack for your bonus actions
simple spire
I’d rather get the third attack
tiny flint
I think the most defining moment of act 3 for me so far was when ||I walked in on two groups squaring up to fight, I told them that they don’t need to fight and violence isn’t the way, and then they called me a cuck and both tried to stab me||
hexed inlet
lmao I did the exact same thing
neon junco
I think the most defining moment of act 3 for me so far was when ||I walked in o...
My memory of act 3 is fuzzy ||when was this?||
tiny flint
My memory of act 3 is fuzzy ||when was this?||
It was ||in Rivington in the beaches under the bridge||
||you find some guild people and stone lord people about to fight||
neon junco
I just read the only non-medium race are duregar, specifically female duregars which are considered small despite weighing 75kg like medium creatures.
If true i'm not sure what that really affects besides being easier to throw/shove
Oh ig crevices
I forgot about halfling and gnomes, disregard everything
rich plover
It's still really weird if they're counted as small.
simple spire
one more point towards duergar supremacy
neon junco
If only they continues the trend with body type 1 halflings and gnomes being tiny instead of small
Let me be the smallest woman
Or ig body type is separate setting than gender, you can be the smallest twink
tiny flint
Goddamn (act 3 spoilers) ||Goddamn I told the emperor I didn’t want to fuck him and he told me he could have just mind controlled me from the start and he doesn’t actually give a shit about me||
||fuck you man I’m freeing Orpheus||
tiny flint
||that he doesn’t care or that he could mind control us?||
hexed inlet
second
tiny flint
Ahhh
Yah he like
Isn’t that ||more powerful then a normal mindflayer||
||I’ve got good wisdom saves||
severe robin
Goddamn (act 3 spoilers) ||Goddamn I told the emperor I didn’t want to fuck him ...
Yeah he does that
neon junco
Goddamn (act 3 spoilers) ||Goddamn I told the emperor I didn’t want to fuck him ...
If you press him about him and insult him he says ||how he mind controlled his previous partner he mentioned that helped him after being a mind flayer into loving him and helping him and how he could easily do the same to you||
Man's a monster in every way
severe robin
If you press him about him and insult him he says ||how he mind controlled his p...
||Which is possibly why she died. I don't recall exactly what the cause of death was, but it was something to do with brain injury||
neon junco
Meanwhile ||Omellum is one the coolest characters and he just a mind flayer and didn't inherent his previous personality||
||Emperor is a monster but not because he became a mind flayer||
tiny flint
If you press him about him and insult him he says ||how he mind controlled his p...
Yah that’s the cutscene I got
neon junco
Reading the more act 3 ||letter ansur wrote to emperor is just sad and shows how bad he was before he turned||
neon junco
||Which is possibly why she died. I don't recall exactly what the cause of death...
Oh interesting ||I thought it meant that emperor had killed her and made it seem like an "natural" death||
grave prism
||fuck you man I’m freeing Orpheus||
||That's exactly what my party did too lol, he showed his true colors and we immediately heelturned on him because he was such a fucking shitter||
neon junco
||always side with Orpheus or at least against the emperor||
hexed inlet
||I didn't even talk to him at the end I ran directly past him and hit the chains lol||
severe robin
||I have never sided with the Emperor on any of my playthroughs.||
grave prism
||I didn't even talk to him at the end I ran directly past him and hit the chain...
||We reluctantly freed him cause all of the Githyanki kept telling us how he was going to fucking slaughter us for daring to exist but actually Orpheus was chill and cool to us||
hexed inlet
oh huh that's not what they said to me
grave prism
||kept hollering about us being ghaik and Orpheus fucking hating our existence and whatnot||
severe robin
||Oh yeah, I think if you hadn't killed his Honour Guard he totally would have killed you, but circumstances aligned so that he kind of didn't have a choice in keeping you alive||
grave prism
||we mostly helped him because we fucking hated Emperor, not because we really wanted to save him||
grave prism
||Oh yeah, I think if you hadn't killed his Honour Guard he totally would have k...
||Lucky for us i guess that we slaughtered them to the last so he could temporarily align with us||
tiny flint
Oh huh
||we broke the duel with Orin and she bugged out and doesn’t have a turn anymore||
dawn terrace
Slash took a break from resist to urge to do gith sorcerer/paladin gish and its been fun being a nominal hero. A hero for legal reasons. Not the hero Faerun needs, but the one it has.
tiny flint
Goddamn (act 3 spoilers) ||Goddamn I told the emperor I didn’t want to fuck him ...
So more context from this game, ||we also got the all drinks long rest this same night so we all got piss drunk, one of us fucked the emperor while the other was was threatened by him||
neon junco
So more context from this game, ||we also got the all drinks long rest this same...
Important question ||guardian form or not?||
tiny flint
Of course not
tiny flint
Also does anyone know how to fix the issue with (act 3 spoilers) ||Arabella in the sewers?||
||I found her but I can’t progress her dialogue past the opening bit of stuff I can ask her||
||I know she has more but I can’t access any of it||
hollow wind
||I thought she just had a random conversation then left? You don't see her till the end game||
neon junco
Also does anyone know how to fix the issue with (act 3 spoilers) ||Arabella in t...
||like near the dead thugs? That's all I've seen||
neon junco
I thought I missed something
Yea last dialogue I've ever seen is ||she talks to the weird stone and says how withers was right about the weave guiding her and that's it||
grave prism
based Larian
tiny flint
(Act 3 spoilers) It Larian weren’t cowards ||Sazza would have become an ally in act 3 if she survives that far||
storm sinew
LET ME ROMANCE HER
storm sinew
honestly the lack of dwarves, halflings, gnomes, and goblins you could fuck
this is shortstack erasure
neon junco
Idk if you could even romance Beast in Divinity Original Sin 2
But you could all the others I know that from experience
But also I can't believe there's no bard companion to romance
Alfrira is right there
tiny flint
I’m still a little surprised Alfira isn’t even a companion
Though I guess it could be because of a potential problem with a Durge playthrough
tiny flint
So like
Why does everyone hate Wulbren?
I missed him in act 1 but when I ran into him in act 2 he seemed perfectly normal
||Just kinda distressed for being captured in moonrise||
Which like, fair
hollow wind
I did feel there was a weird human elf bias in this game
simple spire
Why does everyone hate Wulbren?
He's an asshole
He's specifically an asshole to his friend who's worried about him
tiny flint
Is he worse in act 1?
simple spire
He's not in act 1 afaik
tiny flint
I thought he was at a windmill I missed
simple spire
But he's also an asshole to the PC, and just about everyone else he talks to really
Ah. So that's not Wulbren.
That's Barcus.
The friend.
Who Wulbren is an asshole to.
simple spire
(Wulbren is found in ||the Moonrise Towers prison||)
Barcus ||asks you to save him||
Wulbren is the terrible.
... that the was a typo but I'm not getting rid of it
neon junco
Yea he's just an asshole when you meet him and still an asshole when you help him
Like 0 gratitude or anything or a thanks he's just unpleasant all the tine
storm sinew
He's ||a bigot who finds any reason to find the next person to blame, and Barcus is just looking at him through the eyes of a friend so he sees what little good there is.||
He's just the worst lmao
neon junco
||Barcus is just a gem of a living being, Wulbren is the complete opposite||
storm sinew
Yeha that's kinda the fucked up part, ||You don't even actually need Barcus in order to get Wulbren's plot. He cares that little.||
neon junco
Yea like ||not even like a shred of remorse like deep down||
storm sinew
||Barcus wants so badly for you to save him but Wulbren doesn't give a fuck||
tiny flint
I also did save the gnomes from Nere
storm sinew
You could straight up || kill Barcus and Wulbren would still be like "Hey wanna do a terrorism buddy?"||
hollow wind
My personal favorite thing though is || rune powder is supposed to be a holy relic to these people. He just gives it to you, so I pocket it and use it on a boss||
austere hinge
I'm hesitant about pressing spoilers because I've not done act 3 yet, but I met Barcus, who was rough at the start but warmed up to me. Then Wulbren ||was a total ass to his friend who went through to Moonrise Towers to save him. Like dude went through hell many times over to try and get his friend back. And after being a dick to Barcus he dares approach after Moonrise effectively going "sorry man didn't know how swag you are, want to help me do a cool thing in Baldur's Gate?" and when I did the mind reading spell the dude was just picturing a mushroom cloud so big it covered most of the gate.||
So Wulbren sucks.
And I wish Barcus could be in the party, I'd love an alchemist
And another short character, I'm sick of gazing at everyone's toned ass
hollow wind
I wish we had more non human/non elf companions
the only ones we have a re karlach and lae zel
simple spire
Two humans, an elf, a half-elf, a tiefling, and a gith
I appreciate that Karlach at least plays against type
storm sinew
Not even a fucking dragonborn
hollow wind
player characer diversity doesn't count since you don't speak
like okay, I can play a duergar, butthat doesn'tteach me anything about duergar
simple spire
It's interesting because, okay, BG3 wants to give you all the companions pretty early, but like
If it weren't so committed to that, it could absolutely use a bunch of points to give us weird companions
And like, older Baldur's Gate games would've done that
Wackos scattered all over the world map
hollow wind
I mean I've heard arguments if you went evil you should have gotten the goblin leaders as companions
storm sinew
They think they can appease the monsterfuckers by giving us a bear-form druid, a tiefling, a gith, and ||a mind-flayer||, as well as ||Mizora|| but aside from ||the mind-flayer and the bear-form druid|| They're all just conventionally attractive ladies with different colored skin and/or tails/horns
simple spire
(I suspect that's a feature, not a bug)
hollow wind
They're just all humans with a hat
storm sinew
I won't go on my full tangent about BG3's romances but
I take personal issue with the "Everyone's into everyone" approach to the romances on a narrative level
I get why they did it
And it makes sense
hollow wind
BG3 romances are less romances and more "I gave you a cookie, now sleep with me"
simple spire
I really like Lae'zel's romance fwiw
hollow wind
I do agree hers was good
storm sinew
and the writing behind them is good for the most part, too, that's what's frustrating
Astarion is a HEARTBREAKING character
hollow wind
but from what 've seen its like the only one where there is a change in the character
simple spire
I think Shart gets a meaningful change that can be connected with her romance but isn't necessarily
Astarion also changes somewhat
Wyll, Gale, and Karlach are all fairly static characters, though
Although Gale's attempts at flirting really crack me up
hollow wind
I kind of want a new game + mode
I beat honor mode already, I wanna do it harder
with all my toys and unlocks
storm sinew
god I can't find the video where someone explained it but like
yeah the fact that everyone could theoretically smooch anyone and would be okay with it in character is just kinda, like, it feels like it takes away from the narrative and really does just make it
Especially if you play an origin character
hollow wind
I kind of liked dragon age inquisition where there were characters with defined preferences
storm sinew
Because you could play as Shadowheart and get Lae'zel to bed you just like that
hollow wind
Because I felt like those had more involvement?
storm sinew
Or play Astarion as the goodest good guy to ever good and as a result: get with Karlach
I both like and dislike when characters have preferences(I know, just can't win with me)
But that's usually only where trans-ness is involved somewhere
like that one Cyberpunk character who is a lesbian, but not into dongs, and so my trans character was off-limits
I was upset because me want pretty lady but also it made sense? People are like that?
hollow wind
I think it's going for two different kinds of storytelling and immersion
austere hinge
My current situation is going Lae'zel relationship as a Tav
which is great, really enjoying her stuff
mashing those dolls together super good
storm sinew
Lae'Zel's and Astarion's were my favorites
austere hinge
I do wish we had some weird freaks as party members though.
sly flare
like that one Cyberpunk character who is a lesbian, but not into dongs, and so m...
Which character is this?
storm sinew
I didn't play Cyberpunk too long, I think it was Judy?
austere hinge
Or at least put a halfling in the party. It tells us more about the people, lets it show more about the different people and the different backgrounds.
Maybe mods will let me have my entire short arse party one day. I can only dream.
sly flare
I didn't play Cyberpunk too long, I think it was Judy?
I romanced Judy in Cyberpunk with a Penis Owning Fem V. Maybe that was an old patch or you're think of a different character though
storm sinew
Maybe? It was fairly early on
hollow wind
Barcus
why the flip can't I keep mah boi Marcus
or since people like Sazza so much, why not her?
hollow wind
she'sjust as hard to keep as minthara
I thought Minthara would be more interesting, but honestly I was somewhat disappointed
storm sinew
I like Minthara for what it's worth
She kinda just suffers from "Nobody writes drow particularly well"
simple spire
The Underdark segments in particular had a chance to hit us with some wacky companions
storm sinew
Also, just to clarify
I say "mashing dolls together" with love, no shade to those who are enjoying it, I enjoyed it, too
simple spire
There's svirfneblin, there's duergar, there's myconids
storm sinew
I just would have liked if there was a bit more oomph to it and I think characters being down for anyone makes that oomph harder to achieve
simple spire
Ultimately though people would have whined about it
storm sinew
I mean Larian did the safest thing and it clearly worked out
hollow wind
Also
WHY IS THERE NO SPORE DRUID INTERACTION WITH MYCONIDS
I LITERALLY USE THEIR MAGICKS
gaunt jackal
the honest answer there is "very late addition"
storm sinew
Also the game is forever marred for me by removed and/or unfinished Karlach act 3 content
storm sinew
Oh yeah, it's still a fantastic game
simple spire
The thing that still cracks me up is how they took out Dispel Magic
Because it doubled the game's size
sonic pollen
of the things that they didn't include from 5e, Dispel Magic is extremely reasonable
storm sinew
D&D definitely has some things that are best left on the tabletop lol
golden grotto
honestly the lack of dwarves, halflings, gnomes, and goblins you could fuck
can’t even play a goblin
no beast men either
:(
No kenku
frigid oxide
On the one hand, the wizard game removing the No Wizarding option makes sense and facilitates fun.
On the other, I am still salty about caster/martial balance
tiny flint
Also the game is forever marred for me by removed and/or unfinished Karlach act ...
Honestly yah it’s kinda shitty her quest just, stops in act 2
||Dammon says she’s gonna die and you just gotta go with that until the epilogue where it says she may be cured in the future off screen||
(I got spoiled on some things)
hexed inlet
karlach post-game spoilers !!! ||you can put off her death indefinitely while the two (or three) of you work together to find a solution to it, something which is portrayed as achievable and potentially even imminent||
||and if you choose to do that, that's what you're shown doing after the main story finishes||
tiny flint
Yah that’s what I was referring to
||it’s just kinda lame you can’t do that in the game itself||
hexed inlet
||I was not expecting such a positive ending tbh but it's great that I got one||
honestly I don't mind it
simple spire
Honestly yah it’s kinda shitty her quest just, stops in act 2
Yeah. ||They could’ve fit “get Karlach a new heart” into the game as it is without expanding the scope.||
hexed inlet
it's a cool place to move on to being at
and I like ||the way it ties in with wyll too||
simple spire
“The adventure continues” is not bad but I do feel this is something they could do in Act 3.
simple spire
I think she actually needs a new heart, no?
The existing mechanical heart gets ||fixed by Dammon, but he says it ultimately will not last outside of Avernus||
hexed inlet
||I believe the thing you're close to finding in the post-game is blueprints for an upgrade that would mean it would work fine outside of avernus||
||it's not an easy problem to solve but the game pitches it as extremely solvable given sufficient application of adventuring skills||
simple spire
I just wish they let us do that during the playthrough
hollow wind
I mean, how complicated can it be?
our power level is weird to me
like || isn't raphael like, one of the MOST powerful devils? How exactly do 4 mooks come in and spank him?||
tiny flint
||Raphael is more like a middle manager imo||
||he’s high on the pyramid but nowhere near the lords of the nine hells still||
simple spire
||Raphael’s a particularly notorious cambion||
||He gets around||
||But there are countless stronger devils||
hexed inlet
||he's not inherently very powerful he's just built up his means the same as a human would||
hollow wind
|| right, but my githyanki druid from Nu Jorsey came with his buddies and beat him ||
hexed inlet
||he ranks pretty low on the actual scale of hell||
tiny flint
||really the actual weirdest thing we’re able to kill is an avatar of Myrkul, in act 2||
simple spire
||An actual pit fiend would trash us||
tiny flint
||like really that should be the strongest thing in the game, by a wide margin||
hollow wind
|| Also like, who is orpheus? Is he a DnD character in main lore? Isn't he like also stupidly powerful?||
hexed inlet
||like really that should be the strongest thing in the game, by a wide margin||
||to be fair it probably is the hardest fight||
tiny flint
||true yah||
simple spire
||really the actual weirdest thing we’re able to kill is an avatar of Myrkul, in...
||TBF avatars can be weaker or stronger depending on power invested||
hexed inlet
|| Also like, who is orpheus? Is he a DnD character in main lore? Isn't he like ...
yeah he's a big deal in regular d&d lore
I think he's scaled appropriately
it was a crazy reveal to find out he's even in the game so that was cool
simple spire
Sending down a hot-shit avatar risks invoking MAD, so gods usually moderate
tiny flint
|| Also like, who is orpheus? Is he a DnD character in main lore? Isn't he like ...
||Orpheus is a big deal but that’s more because he’s the son of the original gith Queen and rightful heir to the throne||
hollow wind
|| I picked githyanki druid because it sounded neat||
hexed inlet
||the dead three notably are also kinda shit gods||
simple spire
Part of being a D&Deity is toeing the line
tiny flint
||power wise he’s just an extremely strong fighter, which is what he is in this game||
tiny flint
||TBF avatars can be weaker or stronger depending on power invested||
That’s fair yah
hexed inlet
||they're not enormously powerful and a lot of the other gods don't like them so they don't want to actually stir shit up directly too much||
hollow wind
|| but like the thing I'm wondering is this, how does he exist in this game? Because we can choose his fate (rebellion, illithid, dead, or eaten). What's he doing in real lore||
simple spire
||the dead three notably are also kinda shit gods||
They have been killed and brought back an almost comical number of times
hexed inlet
|| but like the thing I'm wondering is this, how does he exist in this game? Bec...
||being mysteriously disappeared I think||
tiny flint
|| but like the thing I'm wondering is this, how does he exist in this game? Bec...
||probably will never be answered||
simple spire
The whole reason ||Jergal|| picked them seems to have been that they’re dipshits
hexed inlet
The whole reason ||Jergal|| picked them seems to have been that they’re dipshits
he was absolutely trolling with that one
tiny flint
||I do really like that Withers is just Jergal in a bad disguise||
||Its like he was chilling in wherever retired gods go and got finally told to fix his shit with the dead three||
hexed inlet
he seems moreso personally annoyed about it
tiny flint
||Yah but he does reference someone when he first meets us, I’m assuming Ao||
simple spire
||I really don’t like that they brought Bhaal back tbh||
||That was the entire fuckin’ point of BG1&2||
hexed inlet
||btw what the fuck is sarevok doing back just chilling underground||
tiny flint
||Hosting the murder tribunal… I guess||
simple spire
||I also really dislike what they did with Sarevok and Viconia||
hollow wind
|| and apparentl sarevok turned into a child groomer incest person between games?||
||wasn't the point of hte second game he was like, not that bad or something ? ||
simple spire
The ||Bhaal|| thing is on WotC but honestly I do my best to ignore all of Larian’s BG1/2 references
They actively hurt the game IMO
tiny flint
||including stuff like the return of Jaheria and Minsc?||
simple spire
||wasn't the point of hte second game he was like, not that bad or something ? |...
He can become a companion in Throne of Bhaal and can be redeemed. This was very popular with the player base.
hollow wind
|| jaheira felt like a cameo I could respect and made sense. She's an elf, old, and doing vaguely heroic things. Minsc they had to turn into a rock and get him through||
simple spire
||including stuff like the return of Jaheria and Minsc?||
Yes, there’s absolutely no reason for them in particular to be there. It feels weird and fanservicey and perfunctory, but also like … the only people who would recognize these characters are the ones most likely to get pissy about the way they’ve been done.
hexed inlet
I'm glad I never played bg1 and 2 then
simple spire
(Me and people like me)
hexed inlet
as it is I didn't use them as companions because they show up so late and are not especially likeable
like they're fine but they clearly have their own shit going on and they're not really part of my little gang
also minsc must be the lowest WIS ranger on the planet with the way he acts smh
hollow wind
I think that's fitting
simple spire
also minsc must be the lowest WIS ranger on the planet with the way he acts smh
In BG1&2 he has extremely low mental stats, including an illegally low wisdom
hollow wind
I do love Lae zel is like, no that REALLY is a miniature space hamster
simple spire
Dude suffered a serious head-wound
tiny flint
Don’t worry
hexed inlet
that's sad
tiny flint
Boo has 20 wisdom
hexed inlet
doubly so for his spellcasting
tiny flint
Boo can compensate
simple spire
FWIW he’s having a great time
hollow wind
This does make me think it'd be funny to make minsc a low int wizard
simple spire
The wizard was Dynaheir
A hathran he was assigned to protect in BG1
(Irenicus killed her shortly before BG2 started)
He can choose to make Aerie his new witch in BG2 though
tiny flint
He can become a companion in Throne of Bhaal and can be redeemed. This was very ...
Also huh, so then Zariel isn’t alone in that matter
simple spire
And become her bodyguard
Sarevok in ToB is one of its most compelling characters
Honestly ||if they wanted to include him it should have been as an ally who’s here to kick the shit out of some Bhaalites||
tiny flint
Yah I do think Larian has a bad habit of choosing some of the lamer options for what happens pre BG3
I’ve never played BG1 or 2 so I can’t say any of their decisions there
hollow wind
||I heard though it wasn't larian, but the official wotc lore changed sarevol||
tiny flint
But just from what I do know they had liberty to change there are some kinda boring choices
simple spire
Brusque, rough, extraordinarily skilled, here to kill ||dear old dad’s cultists||
tiny flint
||I heard though it wasn't larian, but the official wotc lore changed sarevol||
But I mean he wasn’t used anywhere else to my knowledge
simple spire
And like, there’s some weird shit too, like with the Flail of Ages
The FoA is a legendary multiheaded flail. Each head deals a different kind of elemental damage. It starts as a +3 weapon and can be upgraded to +5 in ToB by finding and adding long-lost heads
It belonged to a rakshasa lord long ago
The protagonist of BG2 seized it from De’Arnise keep after the death of its lord (and the flail’s previous master)
Even in BG2, there’s a whole quest about assembling it
In BG3 it’s … a +1 flail that can change its elemental damage type and has only one head.
hexed inlet
it's in bg3? dang
hexed inlet
oh my god it's a +1 at that guy's little stall
simple spire
BG2 fans are the only ones who will recognize it, and they will hate it
hexed inlet
someone stole all the heads lol
simple spire
“You can get a weapon of legend from the last game! It sucks now.”
Like
Just
Why
hexed inlet
I agree it's really silly
simple spire
Explain this to me Larian
hexed inlet
but I got a kick out of your account of it so thanks
simple spire
I mean it’s not like a major thing
But it’s weird
And it fits with a general theme where they just … don’t seem interested in the BG material they’re including?
It feels like it’s there because they think it should be
But like … again, folks like me would be happier if it were completely unreferenced
I love what Larian have created, and they don’t need to convince me by limply gesturing towards something famous
soft tundra
"In the third tier (levels 11-16), characters have reached a level of power that sets them high above the ordinary populace and makes them special even among adventurers. At 11th level, many spellcasters gain access to 6th-level spells, some of which create effects previously impossible for player characters to achieve. Other characters gain features that allow them to make more attacks or do more impressive things with those attacks. These mighty adventurers often confront threats to whole regions and continents."
re: bg3 power level/scaling
simple spire
someone stole all the heads lol
This would actually be a pretty funny explanation and if it were in the flavor text for the weapon I would get a huge kick out of it
The flavor text is
Created by a warmongering rakshasa and kept for a time under the careful watch of an astute noble name Lord de'Arnise, this flail is a tool of absolute destruction, and a versatile one at that.
simple spire
Because like if the + on the weapon is based on the number of heads, as is implied by BG2, “it’s only +1 because it only has one head” would be such a fun callback
Blaaaaargh
This is just a sore point for me, sorry for whining about it
I love BG3 but it either needs a stronger or weaker relationship to the classic. Currently I feel it inhabits an uncomfortable middle ground.
hexed inlet
"a legendary elemental weapon once wielded by a rakshasa lord and said to have seven heads, it seems either most of them have been misappropriated over the centuries or this particular flail is the product of an ill-informed forger"
soft tundra
base 5e has a weird relationship with magic items and power scaling
soft tundra
It has nice video gamey adjustments that help smooth it out
being able to add and use weird new effects like all the lightning stuff really feels cool
simple spire
And they’re aware that they can make items more interesting and complicated because the computer does it for you
Or reminds you of options through the GUI
soft tundra
i love all the bonkers monk stuff
simple spire
Yeah
tiny flint
Act 3 spoilers ||I’ve been cancelled by the Baldur’s Gate Gazzette||
severe robin
Act 3 spoilers ||I’ve been cancelled by the Baldur’s Gate Gazzette||
Fuck 'em
simple spire
Act 3 spoilers ||I’ve been cancelled by the Baldur’s Gate Gazzette||
||Can’t believe Tav’s been cancelled by the liberal media bubble||
tiny flint
I couldn’t progress it
Stealth was barely working the entire time and I couldn’t hit the lever to go to the basement because I’d be seen by random civilians through the window
severe robin
Invisibility?
soft tundra
yeah, on runs where ive done it successfully ive had to do some silly invis stuff, but the punchline in the quest is great; i rec trying it one day
tiny flint
Invisibility?
I didn’t have potions or and none of my spellcasters knew it
neon junco
I think there's a ||hidden passage you can find by climbing the roof up to a belltower and jumping down the tower into a trapdoor that leads to the basement without risk of detection||
That's how I did it
tiny flint
I think there's a ||hidden passage you can find by climbing the roof up to a bel...
Yah that’s what I did
I was just detected by people outside the building in the elevator
neon junco
Oh weird
tiny flint
What kind of fiend is Raphael?
austere hinge
a douche
neon junco
A devil called a cambion which is a douche
austere hinge
Can't you summon one of those with that sword you get?
tiny flint
I think so
tiny flint
A devil called a cambion which is a douche
Also I see
neon junco
Can't you summon one of those with that sword you get?
Ye, the planar summon spell gives you the option of cambion
lvl 4 Cambions also appears in the intro
But Raphael is specifically the son of ||an archdevil that starts with mesti something so he's stronger than your average cambion but he's mostly has a high status amongst devil's is his real power||
austere hinge
I want to light him on fire but he's resistant, so at least it'd last longer
sonic pollen
But Raphael is specifically the son of ||an archdevil that starts with mesti som...
||mephistopheles?||
simple spire
What kind of fiend is Raphael?
A cambion is a half-fiend, btw
(Yes this means the game’s two big fiends are half-mortal)
hollow wind
I did always wonder || why\how does Raphael know about Orpheus and have the magic hammer? I think there's a document on the floor that hints he made the original deal to lock him up? ||
severe robin
(Yes this means the game’s two big fiends are half-mortal)
Who's the other one?
neon junco
I did always wonder || why\how does Raphael know about Orpheus and have the mag...
||Probably same way he found out about the prism and crown of karsus, his dad Mephistopheles is probably the most book smart archdevil in the 9 hells with vast libraries||
neon junco
Who's the other one?
Mizora
severe robin
- I completely forgot she existed.
- She's a Cambion too?
severe robin
||Which Oath?||
tiny flint
Ancients
hollow wind
||Probably same way he found out about the prism and crown of karsus, his dad Me...
||there's a letter on the floor mentioning a female demon and a contract, which may be related the og vlaakith?||
tiny flint
Also, something weird has happened
I got gauntlets that add 1d10 force damage to unarmed attacks
But it isn’t working in Halsin’s owlbear wild shape
But I thought equipment works in those forms
winged vapor
Some does but most don’t
tiny flint
Ah shit
neon junco
So how do you know which magic items work while wildshaped or not?
Aside from the ones that explicitly mention wildshape
winged vapor
I think ones that reduce damage and buff initiative
simple spire
It’s a somewhat eclectic list
neon junco
It'd be nice if you were a druid or have one in your party then it'd indicate if it works in wildshape or not
Cause it seems damage items with same texts may or may not work
neon junco
It'd still be nice to have it that info in game
rich plover
It's probably a quirk of implementation more than an intentional list.
tiny flint
https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/15ikanj/list_of_feats_and_feature...
Ah thanks
winged vapor
You know most lists say sorcs are one of the strongest classes but I can never enjoy them. They just finish the day so fast
neon junco
At higher levels it's better, you generally end up with more spellslots than you need to finish 2-3 fights
Also their twin casting and quicken metamagic is pretty strong. Being able to twin cast haste on 2 characters then quicken metamagic a fireball in a turn is stronk since bg3 doesn't limit bonus action spells
It's heavy burst but if you can wipe/cc half the encounter before they can act with one character it's pretty good.
rich plover
the rest cycle makes my tabletop instincts itch. Outside of the rare timed quest, there's nothing stopping you from resting after every fight...and you kind of have to if you want to hit all the story triggers
neon junco
Supplies are fairly plentiful if you're a loot goblin so you could probably even rest after every combat on tactician and still have plenty of food
I do 2 fights then rest to get the story beats. I used to do like 3-5 combats without long resting and it slowed down the game while I missed out on story beats
rich plover
we've been doing about one every three, basically whenever we run out of short rests (with an extra from Song of Rest)
severe robin
Yeah, short resting after every fight and then long resting after you run out of short rests is a good pace
simple spire
The thing that makes me nervous is the first part of the game, where AIUI too many long rests before resolving the Kagha plot can cause the Grove to be sealed?
rich plover
that comes up a couple times, and while there's usually some signalling it's rare enough that it kind of bugs me.
simple spire
Beeline for the swamp so you can relax a bit
neon junco
I thought it only sealed if you leave the map area
simple spire
Let’s investigate
neon junco
The mountain pass is a trigger for grove to seal
rich plover
iirc you can rest >a dozen times and after that it locks down
huh. but that's not one of the triggers on the wiki? https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Rite_of_Thorns#Completion_Triggers
winged vapor
After it closes you can Still get inside if you can jump enough
simple spire
The Rite of Thorns can be indirectly completed by the party's actions. So far, four distinct actions[1] can trigger the completion of the rite, they are as follows:
Killing Zevlor and a large number of Tiefling refugees at the Emerald Grove.
Annoying the druids enough to trigger a cutscene (killing/attacking them or stealing the Idol of Silvanus).
Travelling to the Mountain Pass or Shadow-Cursed Lands before rescuing Halsin during Rescue the Druid Halsin.
Killing Kagha and getting a long rest without killing every other druid.
It's possbible to enter the grove by casting fly and then flying up near where the horn is.
The amount of Long Rests is not a trigger for completion.
neon junco
Probably killing kagha then long resting is one that it's timed in general
neon junco
If it is actually timed normally I am certain i've rested like 12 times in act 1 before leaving the first area without grove sealing or meeting Halsin
That's like close to a long rest every combat encounter
rich plover
I'm wondering if the "you have a high but limited number of rests before the rite of thorns" rumor is just people being way too confident offering advice on reddit just after release. That or something that changed from early access.
simple spire
Possibly it’s people who did one of the triggers, took a long rest, and drew a false conclusion
neon junco
That's what I assume
simple spire
Funny that you can still get in with Fly tho >_>
rich plover
druids never look up
neon junco
Like the first 2 posts on top of google the posters went to mountain pass or act 2 without meeting Halsin
simple spire
I wonder if they have special dialogue for that
neon junco
druids never look up
Ironic for people who can turn into flying birds
winged vapor
Also you can get the idol for the ring of protection without causing a big issue if anyone wants to know how
simple spire
Ironic for people who can turn into flying birds
Something something quote from James Cameron’s Avatar
simple spire
Also you can get the idol for the ring of protection without causing a big issue...
Aye, just gotta be sneaky
One of the best rings in the game so
winged vapor
Fog cloud helps
neon junco
huh. but that's _not_ one of the triggers on the wiki? https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Rit...
Ope the notes at the bottom explicitly mention amount of long rests is not a trigger
simple spire
The wacky hood from the Underdark will also do it
winged vapor
I think I want to do a sneaky run, Astrarion origin or urge
simple spire
Astarion origin gets some cool scenes
simple spire
Got a build plan or just gonna do rogue?
(I have a silly build for Astarion that I think is cool)
winged vapor
I think just rogue for a bit
I’ve run the gloom stalker rogue build with a bow but I’m thinking something else
There are some pretty insane swords
And sneaky items
Plus sneak attack crits are pretty bonkers
Maybe fighter rogue for something new
simple spire
(My build is Wildheart Barb 6, Bear and Stallion aspects/Thief Rogue 4/Fighter 2. Full dex build, aiming for Duelist's Prerogative and Armor of Agility in the endgame. Bit of sneak attack w/reckless attack, rage w/good near-universal resistance, bonus-action dash + gain 12 temp hp on a dash, a fighting style, 2 feats, action surge, spend your other bonus action on the extra attack from Duelist's prerogative)
(I think lightning-fast blood-hungry rapier Astarion seems fitting)
(Also easier to get Happy on melee Astarion)
(If you like you can switch to Rogue 3/Fighter 3 and lose a feat but get Battlemaster maneuvers)
neon junco
I'd recently savage attacker but apparently that doesn't work with sneak attack damage
simple spire
Oh huh
simple spire
Interesting
Yeah Battlemaster is probably better then
Unless you have a feat you really like
simple spire
You could but I feel like +1 crit range is pretty paltry compared to maneuvers unless you're really crit-fishing
18-20 as opposed to 19-20 just doesn't feel like that big a deal
winged vapor
Iirc you can’t combo them with sneak attack
neon junco
Itsabit better if you have advantage on everything
simple spire
That's true
Ultimately a matter of taste
But I think being able to toss out prone is better
neon junco
If you want to go mostly rogue then risky ring is great for always advantage and sneak attacks without multiclassing
And while most classes benefit from action surge a lot a rogue really doesn't as they deal their sneak attack damage once a turn and regular attacks aren't huge
Dual wield finesse weapons with advantage on attacks should get you a good enough chance to hit once for sneak attack, another chance with thief rogue since you can use that extra bonus action for offhand attack
simple spire
Risky ring makes me nervous
neon junco
Rogues get evasion which reduces the effects of risky rings for dex saves too
If you're going mostly rogue you just kill the biggest spellcaster first turn and saves aren't a huge issue
I always run risky ring on someone
winged vapor
There is the scimitar that blinds when you have advantage
neon junco
Pretty much every class that makes attacks benefits from it and has a lot of synergies for very little opportunity cost
Always advantage on a paladin which has an aura for better saves and smite without multiclassing is peak
Rogue is a class where if you want the biggest sneka attack damage them multiclassing hurts that
neon junco
"see no evil" - I'm evil
winged vapor
How’s moon Druid in endgame btw ?
soft tundra
Tanky as hell
neon junco
Decent damage if you have magic items that work in wildshape
winged vapor
Do any that buff damage ?