Baldur's Gate 3

[simple spire]

Make her a Tempest Cleric XD

[stray basalt]

I've never really looked at full casters before ngl

[soft tundra]

Higher level spell slots are gucci

Light Cleric is pretty good; the reaction is really fucking useful, and Cleric has the best spell list in the game hands down

[simple spire]

Destructive Wave is awesome tho

[soft tundra]

it aint no Spirit Guardians

[simple spire]

Luckily you can use both

[proven forum]

Misc spells from scrolls. Not like using the scrolls, I mean dc independent spells learned from scrolls like haste, summons, etc. it also gives me the 6th level spell slot.

[proven forum]

The reaction is very good. She’s a great support, it’s just that the other three can end most fights in ❤️ rounds.

Lmao not heart rounds, less than 3

I’m sort of lacking a damage caster but I enjoy martial combat a lot more in this game.

Plus my first three playthroughs were Sorlock, Tempest Cleric, and Wizard, so.

Shockingly, I think this is actually not the most broken party one could have. I think Fire Sorc, TB Open Hand Monk, Lockadin, and my astarion’s build is probably the most ridiculous.

[dawn terrace]

||Shit, Orin has Lea'zel.||

[hexed inlet]

end of act 2 spoilers
||problem: I don't want jaheira in my party for the big bone boi fight because I am happy at least trying it with the trio, but there's no option to ask her to leave||

||solution: she gets her brain sucked out by a mind flayer, so I take advantage of the situation by stuffing her in a box and sending the box to camp||

[stray basalt]

😭

[hexed inlet]

she's cool and I might keep her on (I made her a moon druid and turning into an owlbear was pretty lit) but I have no gear for her at all and wasn't planning on having her stuck in the party

[hexed inlet]

went back and beat act 2, bone boi is a lot easier when you have a full party and a bard build that doesn't suck

he cannot cast his bullshit beams if he can't see

my goal of "you are not allowed to hit karlach" also went perfectly, I think she maybe got hit twice total that entire fight and was sat next to him the whole time bonking away with the blood of lathander

conclusion: bone boi easy, ||gith ambush immediately afterwards not so easy||

I also replaced jaheira with wyll who is now a paladin/warlock because it seemed fitting, and after 50 hours we are finally in act 3 after only a minor extraplanar detour

||I was not expecting the source of the artefact's power to just deadass be Orpheus in a ball||

oh also

@honest tulip important Very Large karlach content

oh and I love the moon lesbians

[grave prism]

Moon lesbians good

[hexed inlet]

||aylin: we're gonna go fuck now||
||isobel: ||

[dusky bear]

Sesbians

that word is funny to me ||the english language||

your language is stupid

[hexed inlet]

sesbians is not a real word skully

[dusky bear]

i know

people made it up

it's still your language tho 🔫

[simple spire]

Greeks from the Moon???!!!

[grave prism]

yes

[hexed inlet]

they live in the mare aegean

(is this joke too obtuse?)

[austere hinge]

English is a terrible language tho

[simple spire]

And that's what makes it so good

[severe robin]

Honour Mode run failed :(

[Act 2 Spoilers] ||Avatar of Myrkul|| is tough

[hexed inlet]

yeah fr

I talked about it last night but having blindness and protection from evil and good up helped me a lot

he seems like a good candidate for just dropping like 20 alchemist fires and some barrels next to though

[charred niche]

Anyone else struggle with settling a party because you feel like you're leaving folks behind. I feel like every other conversation I'm like 'ogh I wish Wyll heard that'

[hexed inlet]

I just think "I'll have these guys in my party for another run"

[winged vapor]

If I know the quest coming is for them I switch my group

[soft tundra]

I rotate members often

[austere hinge]

Fear of missing out is definitely a thing

[severe robin]

Honestly I think we killed ourselves that run

We tried using the Runepowder barrel

[hexed inlet]

[severe robin]

It did not work.

[hexed inlet]

I think I heard about someone doing it with holy water

going through the whole game up to that point just buying as much of it as possible and detonating it along with a bunch of alchemist's fire since they're both pretty light

[austere hinge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKC9kVn-jbI

[echo trail]

how many enlarges is this

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[hexed inlet]

2

she drank the potion of Big for the bone man fight

[simple spire]

Oh the Enlarge spell stacks with the big potion?

That's cool

[hexed inlet]

yeah

I mean presumably if everyone in the party had it you could have 5 stacks of enlarge on someone

or 6 if they were a duergar

[austere hinge]

I know some of them don't double up unfortunately

like multiple enlarge spells

[hexed inlet]

ah ok

you can maybe get 3 then with duergar if it counts as different

[simple spire]

Beeg

[limber shore]

posting this here to get it out of my head, where it might be forgotten. war domain cleric of gruumsh :3

for a new playthrough i might be doing soon

[austere hinge]

Do you have to be an orc to follow Gruumsh?

[simple spire]

Gruumsh grants spells to certain individuals under other guises but he mostly has no interest in non-orc worshippers

... oh you mean in-game

[soft tundra]

no deities are locked behind race

iirc

[dawn terrace]

No, there are. Lolth is only for lolth-sworn only, Vlaakith is Gith only, and Laduguer is Duergar only.

[gaunt jackal]

Duergar are so cracked lol

[dusky bear]

Cracked

Now im thinking of them as lil cracked rocks

[proven forum]

easily the best race in the game and it is no contest.

[hexed inlet]

good luck :)

I think I will head into act 3 today

[grave prism]

Nah, i'd tiefling

[simple spire]

Tiefling is mainly nice for story stuff

Depending on your build the spells can be solid too

However for my money the best race is gith due to jump, mage hand, misty step, and astral knowledge

You are simply the best at Being An Adventurer

(Plus a bunch of good items work better for you)

[sonic pollen]

Drow lets you skip some Act 1 fights for free, which is nice

[simple spire]

Honestly if I replay it’s probably gonna be Lae’zel origin

[proven forum]

Tiefling is cool, and so is gith, but I don’t know that either beats unlimited at will invisibility

It’s basically surprise rounds for free

[charred niche]

Wait unlimited? They don't have like 1/LR?

waddahell, it's real, 5e really values that 5ft movespeed, shortfolk get the most wacked out features

[winged vapor]

Yeah gith slap

[austere hinge]

Gith really are an anti-bard

just sheer fighting

Which can be a great way of buffing sword bards

[proven forum]

Yup. It says per battle but outside of combat you can use it at will.

It is utterly cracked and can completely warp gameplay.

[simple spire]

The gith weapon proficiencies are excellent for bards

[neon junco]

Armor proficiency too

[severe robin]

I did a Gith Monk once

That was fun

I got fucking cracked by the endgame

I was so strong that [Final boss spoilers] ||going full worm|| brought me from killing like, 4 people a turn down to 1

[hexed inlet]

I finally got to baldur's gate in the game called baldur's gate

only took 50-something hours

this is the look of someone about to roll 41 on a persuasion check

[neon junco]

The longest tutorial

[hexed inlet]

I'd also like to point out that it was totally unnecessary, she had two separate invitations to get into the city and still decided to lie to the guards

[simple spire]

Now TBF in BG1 you can’t enter the city until Act 5

So this is series tradition

[hexed inlet]

^^

the bard dialogue options have all been really good

I love just bullshitting my way across faerun

[dawn terrace]

Bard: Yapping your way to success.

[hexed inlet]

they can't handle the big ear rizz

[austere hinge]

I am so full of rizz and snark

[frigid oxide]

Me, with no social skill ranks but still succeeding because my half orc warlock is fueled by using charisma for melee attacks and funny worms

[hexed inlet]

show us your boy tony

[frigid oxide]

I will get him when I'm home

I posted him here once

Sadly searching threads is a nightmare

[hexed inlet]

is it this guy?

[frigid oxide]

Ye

Excellent work

[hexed inlet]

I like him

he does not look like he likes me

[frigid oxide]

Look at that handsome boy

He is a very nice man ngl

[hexed inlet]

aw, good

[frigid oxide]

When I play him with my friend I'm always the goodie goodie because she likes to use roleplay as an excuse to do the mean stuff she'd never do irl

[hexed inlet]

lol

[dawn terrace]

Very normal Dragonborn, who can be trusted.

[hexed inlet]

I've been thinking about doing a dark urge no kill solo run

I believe there's one mandatory cutscene kill but that's unavoidable so I'm not counting it

[winged vapor]

There is only 1 yeah but it’s very fun

I’m enjoying the resist run

[hexed inlet]

I'm thinking monk or paladin might be good for it

[winged vapor]

I did cleric

But yeah either would be good

[hexed inlet]

I mean for not killing anyone

cleric has a lot of damage spells which are lethal

I'm not sure if smite works with non-lethal actually

[winged vapor]

I did a light cleric with the gear that does damage for attack me, so it was a “I won’t strike first” build

[hexed inlet]

that's fun

[frigid oxide]

This dragon seems very Normal and capable of being trusted with this scroll of fireball

Ah shit forgot to turn off ping sorry

[hexed inlet]

protip btw if you hold shift while clicking the reply button it disables the ping by default

[echo trail]

gods, thinking about this, we should really try to find a situation to use the broken wand of fireballs in

[hexed inlet]

I do wish the game had signposted glyph of warding as being Basically Fireball

you can't get any idea of the radius or damage when you're just looking at it in the level up screen

[hexed inlet]

yes, explode

[echo trail]

i think in our original run we just gave it to karlach but never used it

[hexed inlet]

very karlachcore item tbh

[echo trail]

she has resistance to fire! it's best for her tbh

[hexed inlet]

fr

you should do a cat% run 17

[echo trail]

as in, like, druid?

[hexed inlet]

yeah

[echo trail]

there still aren't any catgirl mods :(

we could,,,,,

we just started our monk/rogue run tho

[hexed inlet]

the lack of catgirl mods should definitely not be allowed

[echo trail]

i mean,,,, there is a mod that adds cat ears, but then we'd be stuck with a hairstyle that covers them up schrodinger's-ears style

[soft tundra]

Im hoping official mod support will pave the way for the cat mod and nature will be healed

[frigid oxide]

I am a simple man, I stockpile revivify and run into the swarm

[hexed inlet]

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/6655

[frigid oxide]

Did you know that you can make the ai corral itself into inescapable explosive traps with correct placement

A couple well placed boxes of fireworks and suddenly you're trapped in my spell of Reduce Framerate

[dawn terrace]

Spell of crash to desktop.

[frigid oxide]

Larian Crash Screen but my message is "balled too hard"

I have a reputation with some of my friends who used to play Pathfinder, fortunately they find it hilarious

[neon junco]

Power Word Rubberbanding

[frigid oxide]

I wish BG3 was sophisticated enough to let me do things like the Bucket Doorway Prank: Beartrap+AcidFlask Edition

[hexed inlet]

you kind of can

some items move in stacks and some don't so you can stack crates with something on top then move the crate stack and have it fall and break

[frigid oxide]

You have no idea how happy I am to have this information

I should play with the physics more to have more fun

This game makes me want to play D&D again

[hexed inlet]

I should go play some baldy gate

finally got to the city proper

I've gotta go seize the means of production

[frigid oxide]

I want to remake my terrible ranger guerilla

[hexed inlet]

gorilla

[frigid oxide]

🤔 I mean he could be

[hexed inlet]

in my brain I am already playing a dark urge no kill monk run

[frigid oxide]

Refluff a bugbear as a Very Quiet Gorilla

[hexed inlet]

very quiet gorilla, what a classic

[frigid oxide]

It's my favorite joke

Gorillas are so frickin cool

[hexed inlet]

(context)

[frigid oxide]

I don't care if it isn't actually from 1897 it is still the funniest joke of all time

[echo trail]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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[hexed inlet]

cat mode activate

[echo trail]

wait can you cast spells

making wild magic cat immediately

[soft tundra]

Somewhere a cat meows and the surrounding explodes

[hexed inlet]

wild magic cat...

[frigid oxide]

If I had a player who wanted to play a straight up housecat I would be so pumped

City of cats where they've taken over an ancient ruin, there's a single, impossibly old woman who lives in the ruins of the palace as their immortal caretaker

[simple spire]

I’d play that game

[frigid oxide]

I should use that as a location some time

[simple spire]

Honestly “adventurers protect that place” would be a rad arc

[frigid oxide]

Call it Ulthar and see if anyone gets it

[simple spire]

I don’t get it

[frigid oxide]

You know the Dreamlands in Lovecraft's fiction

Cats are intelligent as humans there, there's a ton of them in Ulthar

The cats of Ulthar kind of work on mass effect geth rules where their intelligence increases as they congregate

It's not explained as sharing processing resources but it works a lot like that

[simple spire]

Ah okay

[proven forum]

I convinced my players in a game to all be cats in 1920s Massachusetts.

It was of course exactly what you referenced - a game about the dreamlands, Ulthar etc

[frigid oxide]

Hell yeah

Honestly the Dreamlands make a good setting for the weirdness in DnD

[proven forum]

The wrinkle you might appreciate is that all they got told was that they were house cats in Mass in the 20s.

The setup was that the local cult if their town - Innsmouth - had successfully kidnapped the local leader of the cats and woven a spell to obscure their memories of their powers, of the Dreamlands and Ulthar. So as they played they “leveled up” by jogging their memories and the memories of other cats and unlocked supernatural powers that way.

[clear kestrel]

Might be fun

[echo trail]

we once played an awakened housecat arcane rogue!!!! it was actually the original version of kieran, before we ported it to lancer and stuck it in an enkidu

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[soft tundra]

catkidu

[frigid oxide]

Enkittu

[hexed inlet]

man this game is so so big

I spent quite a long time today just constantly stumbling into things in the city

act 3 boss spoilers ||I went and fought cazador, first time was very very hard because he got to do his ritual so the second time I just had astarion hang back and did the combat with three of us, wyll upheld his proud new tradition of dying every single combat while syllin and karlach ran around killing all the spawn (idk if you have to do that) and counterspelling him until he was out of slots and just stood there passively healing||

||there were like 10 full rounds of just throwing shit at him||

||also whatever larian employee decided it was a good idea to just put like a dozen bats in there for fun... what were you thinking they physically can't hurt my characters (except somehow wyll, he was the only one that ever got hit by them amidst like a hundred attacks and they got him 3 or 4 times) and they bog down the rounds a lot||

we're halfway through level 11 now

oh I also got a way into the ||house of hope|| but I'm gonna save that til we're level 12 because it seems daunting

I think I'm gonna respec wyll to just pure warlock instead of half warlock half paladin and try and get his eldritch blasts going as hard as possible

oh also I went and beat the shit out of ||lorroakan|| immediately after cazador with no spell slots or anything just to flex on him

(wyll managed to die immediately somehow)

my guy has like 20 something AC and 90 health idk how he does it

aylin is fucking crazy btw

in case that was not yet cemented

[simple spire]

FWIW a pure warlock doesn't have stronger blasts than a warlock 2

[hexed inlet]

don't the cantrips scale with spellcaster level?

also I have a bunch of items which would help a cantrip build

[simple spire]

Eldritch blast scales with character level

Not sure about other cantrips

[hexed inlet]

yeah that's what I mean

the eldritch blast buffing is not a direct consequence of switching to full warlock but is a part of the vision for the required alternate build

[simple spire]

The main thing you can do to buff eldritch blast is wear the potent robe

[neon junco]

The one time I played a warlock I went durge and no potent robes was sad

The jank alternative is things that boost elemental damage like lighting and using a staff that gives you lightning charges

And you can even do the lightning charge thing with potent robes as well

[simple spire]

I've tested it, this doesn't actually work D:

[dawn terrace]

Bard Dark Urge, call them Dirge.

[dawn terrace]

I'm realizing The Watchers Guide and monk pair really well together. Miss your attack with your spear? Well now you have advantage on your unarmed strike or Flurry of Blows.

[neon junco]

RIP if it's been patched out, I did a blue draconic sorcerer durge around lightning charges and the bonus damage from the class feature to compensate for lack of potent robes. Twinned firebolt still isn't as fun as eldritch blast machine guns

[stray basalt]

There are gloves you can get for Blastin' that gives it an extra bolt

[hexed inlet]

oh dang where

[stray basalt]

Somewhere in A3 iirc, let me check how deep

[hexed inlet]

yeah I'm not that far into act 3

[simple spire]

Hm, what were your build specifics? I've tried to make it work and I'm not getting any bonus damage on the lightning charges

[stray basalt]

They're bought in the Lower City

[simple spire]

Oh so not too far in

[stray basalt]

Yeah, Helsik of the Devil's Fee sells them (Gemini Gloves)

But that puts you up to 40 damage minimum per round

[hexed inlet]

ah yeah I've got those, they only let you do it once per short rest

[stray basalt]

Oh shit I was lied to

Mb

Spellmight Gloves maybe? Idk how they'd react with Eldritch Blast but I presume the 1d8 bonus damage would be per bolt

[hexed inlet]

neat, where are those

[stray basalt]

You can pickpocket them from Lucretious of the Circus or complete the Dribbles quest

[hexed inlet]

ah yeah I'm ||collecting plenty of bits of him|| lmao

[hexed inlet]

found out how the steel watchers are made, that's really cool and fucked up

[sonic pollen]

||:)||

[hexed inlet]

I did also ||raid atlantis then sneak in and blow up their house after the guy was like "you'll need to defeat the indestructible super robot if you want me to push the buttons"||

||an indestructible super robot did not sound like something I wanted to fight||

[sonic pollen]

||I have never fought that giant robot. I just use an invisibility scroll or something and walk past||

[hexed inlet]

yeah I misty stepped

man it's crazy that ||the gnome on the windmill right at the start of act 1 has a whole ass character arc and is extremely plot relevant||

[sonic pollen]

||barcus my beloved. if only Wulbren wasn't such a colossal asshole||

[winged vapor]

Hey anyone know if there is a way to make reckless attack work on thrown attacks

[hexed inlet]

||wulbren might be an asshole but he sure does make a good bomb||

[neon junco]

||how were they made? Are they more than just machines with parasites in them||

[hexed inlet]

||we also reached level 12 so I think it will be time to go break into raphael's house soon||

[sonic pollen]

||raphael's house is tough||

[hexed inlet]

||they cut the head off a zombie, put a tadpole in its brain, then put the headless body in the steel watcher and the brain controls the body while in turn being controlled by the central neurocitor via the parasite||

[hexed inlet]

yeah I've heard vague things about it, mostly just that it was described as like "one of the biggest endgame challenges" so I'm not just rushing in there because it's not super time critical

[sonic pollen]

yeah. I wouldn't recommend going in unprepared

[hexed inlet]

gonna go find matt mercer first

and maybe say hi to gortash again now ||his robo friends exploded||

[neon junco]

Oh right ||I remember seeing the jars before that factory boss fight and destroying the jars||

[dawn terrace]

I made it to act three and I just now found out about the active search ability. >:[

[hexed inlet]

active search?

[sonic pollen]

the thing that enemies do when you hide?

[white sleet]

The ability to highlight interactable things?

[dawn terrace]

If you don't pass a passive environment check, survival, perception, etc, you can hold down x on ps5 to active search and find the thing.

[sonic pollen]

is that like holding down alt on pc?

[hexed inlet]

wait what

oh yeah it looks like it's a console inventory management feature so you don't have to click through everything

[dawn terrace]

No alt just shows item names in the world. I think you have to bind it on PC but you can't rebind on Console so it's just prebound.

[hexed inlet]

would probably be fiddly to try and do on a controller

[dawn terrace]

Apparently it is controller only actually???

[hexed inlet]

yeah

[rich plover]

does it search for survival, etc. checks? The descriptions I'm seeing online make it sound like it just opens up containers around you

[stray basalt]

hidden things probably not, but I imagine it'll show like, buttons you can mouseover to find

[hexed inlet]

thinking about doing a dark urge run while trying to minimise murder and bloodshed and agonising over class a little

I'm thinking paladin or shadow monk, but I'm not sure if shadow monk would be able to hold their own on solo tactician

[soft tundra]

monk's mobility and prone-ing could come in handy in solo, especially if you get a lot of the good stat-fixing items

that said i dont do bg3 solo runs so im not sure how much changes via action economy here

[hexed inlet]

for context I've played a monk up to the start of act 2 on a run several months ago, and I've never tried paladin and don't really know what they're like

[soft tundra]

Paladin has the biggest burst damage possible while retaining very high AC and good saves, and a fairly useful selection of spells for the task at hand

and act 2 loves radiant damage

[hexed inlet]

I was also thinking about going sorcerer and just doing like a pure ice or pure lightning build but that doesn't feel as thematic

[soft tundra]

my experience with sorc is that i always really want a warm body between me and enemies because small d6 hit dice with few defensive options

[hexed inlet]

enemies can't get to you if they are slipping on ice

[dawn terrace]

I've only gotten to level 3 with shadow monk and it already feels busted. I can see how good it get a higher level, especially with some multi classing.

[soft tundra]

im a big fan of open hand monk being able to punch with radiant damage

[dawn terrace]

Trying to do the iron throne got me to take a break for my resist the urge run, so now I'm doing an embrace the urge run and am planning on multi-classing everyone in it for the heck of it.

[soft tundra]

embracing the urge can be very funny early on because depending on how you embrace things, ||you end up with like 0 origin followers immediately lmaooooo||

[dawn terrace]

Idk if i've said it here before, I love that Larian made sure the evil choices are fun, but not more rewarding then the good choices.

[soft tundra]

the evil writing is very good

[neon junco]

They made the withers companion cause an evil enough durge can end up with 0 origin companions

[frigid oxide]

I wonder how different the game is if you're just four players and don't interact with the origin characters enough to recruit any of them

[soft tundra]

Very

The origins add so much to the world

[neon junco]

Very, I mean plots still the same but missing out on the origin characters storybeats in a 4 player comp is like missing 30% of the dialogue choices

Not including their banter

And their side quests can be big too

[echo trail]

random question: what are hirelings,,,, like, for?

[grave prism]

excellent question

assumedly if you for some reason don't want to use Origin characters

real talk i have no fucking clue

[severe robin]

I imagine for if you some combination of don't like the Origin characters, roleplay purposes and origin character inavailability

Like if you go for example "Wow this Astarion guy is untrustworthy as fuck you think I'm gonna invite him to my camp? And Lae'zel is probably gonn stab me in my sleep or something thinking I'm turning so she can go to her people on her own"

[rich plover]

On a cheesy level, they're a way to get extra starting equipment. E.g. the bard is the earliest way to get a hand crossbow

[frigid oxide]

If you mod the game to be harder and then add the more companions mod to give you a chance against the swarm

If you're doing a kind of permadeath run and run out of characters

I can imagine some reasons

"I failed the skill checks needed to pull Gale out of the portal and need a primary caster"

[severe robin]

And also yeah, you can technically respec characters into other classes

But come on

Shadowheart's a Cleric it's her entire fucking character arc

Wyll's a Warlock

Not all of them have it, and some are a bit more broad than others, but Gale being anything other than a Wizard is silly and honestly kind of immersion-breaking/dissonant imo

[echo trail]

chapter 3 ||gods. the temple of murder has a lending library???||

[neon junco]

Basically if you kill or lose all the origin chara

[hexed inlet]

pov you are a hapless pink dragonborn about to be murdered in cold blood

[neon junco]

Not me with druid astarion, paladin Wyll, monk Shart, gale ranger, and wizard Laezel at one point

After my like 3rd playthrough I stopped caring about the rpg part and did the min maxxing silly challenge stuff

Before honor mode was a thing

[hexed inlet]

[neon junco]

I've never taken ||halsin, jaheria, or minsc yet||

It feels weird to do like 2 acts with other companions and abandon them with new companions in act 3

[severe robin]

Yeah same

Like, who are you people?

Why are you here?

[frigid oxide]

I played previous BG titles and thus a love of ||Minsc||

[white sleet]

I only picked up ||jaheira to get minsc for completion, tbh||

Otherwise it's just tav and their six government assigned qpps

[soft tundra]

||Jaheira+Minsc|| can add a lot of flavor and even 'fix' up some act 3 quests in neat ways; Halsin's Just There

[frigid oxide]

Incorrect he is also my friend's boyfriend

[hexed inlet]

I was going fighter at this point in order to put off the decision but I ended up picking shadow monk

[frigid oxide]

She would insist I mention that

[hexed inlet]

I'm not going to continue this save any time soon I just had to get it out of my head

the dark urge and her attempts to master herself through extreme focus and pugilism, and more importantly find a shirt, will have to wait

[neon junco]

Monk is a good one for durge since most durge saves are wisdom

[hexed inlet]

oh cool that works with the rp then

I was torn between trying to overcome the urge by holding herself to a vow to do good or trying to gain complete mastery over her thoughts and actions

seems like the second will prove to be a good choice

[stray basalt]

I started a resist durge run, and then like

Things happened and ||Gale's severed hand just appeared out of nowhere||

[hexed inlet]

oh yeah I figured what's the worst that can happen lmao

apparently that was

[stray basalt]

Yeah haha I figured there'd be a more explicit choice

[hexed inlet]

since I knew there was a mandatory kill I figure the real dark souls starts here

[stray basalt]

It's also funny because I have a rep in my friend group for getting rid of Gale

[hexed inlet]

I may or may not have abandoned him in the portal in my current run

[stray basalt]

(we had an argument in camp, a check fail happened and he was no more)

[hexed inlet]

and uh I guess he's not gonna be in the durge run either

[stray basalt]

And I also have the same rep for Lae'zel on account of trusting Shadowheart a tad too much apparently

[hexed inlet]

I like lae'zel

shart left me after I didn't ||bring her along to the shar trials at all||

[stray basalt]

Lmao

[grave prism]

same happened on the playthrough i did

[hexed inlet]

she's like "this was my choice and you robbed me of it" girl you've got free will you can come if you really want

[stray basalt]

And then the run I started after failing the Durge so quickly ended up with a dead Lae'zel on the beach after the nautiloid

[hexed inlet]

oh yeah I just had lae'zel and shart jump off the nautiloid because I'm doing a solo run

shart apparently comes back with shittier gear because I took her stuff beforehand

which is kind of fun

[stray basalt]

This time Lae'zel was revivable though so

[hexed inlet]

I'm curious how many separate times I can blow her off because the game seems determined to get her in my party

we will find out whenever I come back round to doing more of the durge run ig

[stray basalt]

I would like to do an embrace durge run but fuck knows what class

[hexed inlet]

I am interested to see all the wacky durge shit but I want to actually stick with it and finish the game first

not like there isn't plenty of cool stuff going on in act 3

[simple spire]

More than any other party members, Shart and Lae’zel are at the center of BG3’s larger narrative

[hexed inlet]

yeah def

[simple spire]

Wyll is too to a lesser extent

[hexed inlet]

oh yeah I totally forgot my durge killed astarion in a fight after he caught her trying to pick his pockets for the revivify scroll (which I only now realise is totally useless on a solo run lmao)

[simple spire]

Karlach and Astarion and Gale are just kind of there >_>

[hexed inlet]

I do like all the party members and I think it's good having them around but I just don't want to have to deal with them living in the camp forever in a solo run

karlach is doing her best smh

so is astarion to be fair

[proven forum]

I think Gale kind of hooks in a bit too, certainly more than Karachi, Astarion, or Wyll

I always find it kind of funny how much content Astarion has given how little he actually has to do with the central conflict.

(Of course the answer is he has the most thematic story with the Urge part of it all rather than the illithid part of it all)

[simple spire]

Wyll’s dad is the main hook for him

[severe robin]

Oh yeah, Wyll's dad exists

[proven forum]

Yeah. I always feel bad about Wyll. It really feels like he got the shortest end of the writing stick.

[neon junco]

Wyll seems like the most plain character but everyone around him and his circumstance is interesting like Mizora and Wylls dad

[proven forum]

His content and storyline are some of the few things in the game I think are actually bad

[severe robin]

I guess his dad is important to like, Act 3?

I dunno I kind of forget Wyll's dad like, exists he kind of never shows up/is important

[proven forum]

His dad is important to act 3, but I personally just don’t find Mizora that interesting. I suspect more build up to Wyll getting punished might do a lot actually

[severe robin]

He feels like he's just kind of... there

[neon junco]

Wyll if we never got to see Mizora or his Dad would be a much worse character imo, he really doesn't change a lot or get over many large internal struggles compared to the religious trauma or authority abuse kiddos

[proven forum]

(Also I personally didn’t find the horn thing very impactful. It isn’t the characters fault - it just always happens when I’m already surrounded by teeflings!)

[proven forum]

In fact one of the things I find so annoying is that I don’t think he changes at all! Or learns any lessons.

It’s weird

[hexed inlet]

I like wyll and his dad is pretty important at least in my run

[neon junco]

He's just a fairly well adjusted hero dude with no internal strife, he chose the hero life and got himself into the deal with Mizora (albeit it was a loaded choice)

[proven forum]

(Err for background here, Warlocks are far and away my favorite class fluff wise, so I’m always annoyed at how boring Wyll seems)

[hexed inlet]

I like some of the little things he mentions like how he finds ballroom dancing more romantic than kissing people

[proven forum]

He is a really sweet person, this much is true.

[severe robin]

Wyll is really nice

I like him, and I do really value his role in the party of "Just a good guy, y'know?"

[neon junco]

He's a nice character still, just not as compelling as the other ones who have a lot going on with them that you get to personally influence and change

[simple spire]

Wyll’s a good protagonist

[neon junco]

Every other origin character has like at least 2 major paths they can go down depending on your decisions, I'm not sure if Wyll has one besides to kill Karlach or not

[severe robin]

And like, does every chracter always need to go through a dramatic world-changing growth? Wyll ||reconciles with his estranged father|| at the end, it's not like he's got nothing going

[hexed inlet]

I don't really want to influence them I like letting them do their thing

[stray basalt]

uhh

[neon junco]

||and ig save his dad or not||

[stray basalt]

about that reconciliation

[severe robin]

Oh right

You can not do that

[hexed inlet]

I agree with gk I think wyll is a good pick for origin characters to play as

[neon junco]

Wyll does seem like a good pick for a protagonist origin

[severe robin]

I genuinely forgot that you could not ||save his dad||

[proven forum]

No… but if every other character does it is no surprise the one that doesn’t is considered boring.

[neon junco]

I usually don't, I save my mind flayer buddy

[severe robin]

A little boring is good, imo

[severe robin]

You can easily save both?

Is this just me being Wizard-brained or like

Dimension Door is a cool spell

[neon junco]

Not easily, ommellum is like super difficult unless you cheese it, there's barely any turns to run through it

[proven forum]

Well, I’m genuinely glad that he appeals to you! I remember early full release days where it felt like I was the only one who liked Gale the best.

[neon junco]

I didn't have teleports or dimension door

[proven forum]

I cheese the shit out of the rescue with dimension door, scrolls of dimension door, haste, etc..

I always get both

[severe robin]

I wouldn't call using teleport spells cheese tbh

That's like, their entire point

[stray basalt]

ahhhhh once again cursed by spaghetti programming

[echo trail]

wait, what?

Madeleine, Serpente Princess ↩️

[Reply to:](#1162686499465220146 message) I genuinely forgot that you could not ||save his dad||

[neon junco]

It's very easy not to save both unless you have that specific hard counter that is dimension door

[echo trail]

wyll's dad is there?

[severe robin]

But yeah, Haste/Teleport spells make it easy

[stray basalt]

Eldritch Knight throws a weapon that does not return to their hand because they werent directly in combat yet

[severe robin]

Misty step, Haste, both of those work

[stray basalt]

should just return anyway

[neon junco]

I had a monk with haste and it's still difficult cause of the checks on the door isn't guaranteed

[proven forum]

I wrapped my gloomstalker/thief/fighter duergar durge run and now I’m doing a pure fighter run, and it is hilarious to me how unbelievably good pure fighter is.

[severe robin]

Checks on the door?

[neon junco]

To unlock it

[proven forum]

I know im abusing a lot of mechanics but like still

[severe robin]

Can't you just hit the lever?

[neon junco]

The hallway to ollemum is usually shut by like a large door I need to pick, unless there's a lever for that I've been missing

[hexed inlet]

I did it yesterday for the first time, I chucked a potion of fly at my characters and split them up, got everyone but ||two gondians who were shot by the fishmen for no discernable reason||

[stray basalt]

as an incidental would people actually mind spoilering this stuff

[hexed inlet]

I don't remember there being lockpicking

[neon junco]

Are there levers for all the cells and doors I've been missing?

[hexed inlet]

also yeah if this were 24 hours earlier it would have been massive spoilers for me

[severe robin]

Apologies

[neon junco]

I lock picked everything

[hexed inlet]

yes all the doors have levers

[neon junco]

RIP me

[white sleet]

wyll and karlach really got shafted a bit in comparison to the other origin characters honestly

[hexed inlet]

karlach was apparently changed pretty significantly quite late in development

[soft tundra]

rip wyll''s rewrites i miss what you could have been

[severe robin]

What was rewritten?

[soft tundra]

His entire personality/early story, some for the better some maybe lost in transition

EA Wyll was pretty different

[severe robin]

How so?

Didn't play EA, my computer wasn't good enough

[soft tundra]

EA Wyll was much stronger on the golden retriever Good Hero energy, and really in conflict with his warlock nature but also like... had concern for mizora? Who was a damsel much faster than in bg3. EA Mizora-Wyll is more of a toxic partnership than bg3's outright legal pact he got tricked into

He kinda loses some brightness of going from a "shining knight" to "tragic hero" in release

I like both but theres something about EA Wyll's regret i miss

I think it fit better with other companions

[dawn terrace]

He's also a faker, maybe? And had a history with the flaming fists from what I've read.

[soft tundra]

EA Wyll is desperate for validation yeah

He needs it, its core to him

Whereas release Wyll is like, much more secure and solid

[dawn terrace]

So basically he went from a wannabe hero willing to do questionable to acheive that goal, to the real deal but with "dark" secret and familial link to the politics of Baldur's Gate.

[soft tundra]

Yeah; from a sort of classic warlock to a tragic one in a way.

I do really like making Mizora a lawyer-boss instead of his toxic partner, I think its classy

[neon junco]

The idea of breaking up a tragic toxic relationship with Mizora would have been more interesting to me

Considering the theme of most companions is change and recovery from abuse basically

Also the idea of breaking a warlock's pact seems cool

[soft tundra]

His ea romance was about helping him break out of it, which had appeal

EA Wyll also had bigger implications of being like, a kinda bad rich kid, so being a hero really was truly aspirational for him

[neon junco]

Its darker but I do like the idea of Wyll being a truly good person at heart. A flaw they could have given him is he's too desperate for not the right validation of being known as a hero and taking on things away bigger than himself and end up not succeeding completely, then having insecurities like imposter syndrome about not being being to get save the day completely and Mizora is the toxic one who seems to be the one that reassures him but in a manipulative way as a devil would do.

I imagine seeing and going in depth to an abusive relationship would hit hard and get a lot of bad PR

I did love "fixing" up my companions though

[soft tundra]

I think there's also something to say about a black hero having a toxic love with his pact owner not going over too well if it misses any marks

[neon junco]

That's also true I didn't think about that

[soft tundra]

That was my leading theory on the changes personally

[neon junco]

I don't have many ideas for Wyll that wouldn't change his character completely

[soft tundra]

I also preferred || Halsin || as just a camp npc instead of a companion personally, and im haunted by knowing they originally || planned to have Minsc in act 1 ||

[neon junco]

It's kind of hard to introduce flaws or something to change upon since the core of his character is he is a hero at heaft

[soft tundra]

I just wish Wyll got to do things

Hes so sweet and cool

But none of his quests do anything with him

[neon junco]

Really? ||I couldn't imagine Minsc having much of a story to work upon since it seemed wrapped up in previous BG games||

[soft tundra]

Yeah you can tell its an early scrapped idea for a reason but i think theres some interesting stories you could do with a sort of old vet in the group

[dawn terrace]

Minsc wasn't just plans to be an act one character. He was planned to be an origin.

[soft tundra]

Yeeeee

[gaunt jackal]

I'm very happy they canned that

[dawn terrace]

I'm glad it was changed too, because we would have missed out on almost all of Matthew Mercer's hammy goodness. It sucks now much origin characters clam up when played.

[stray basalt]

a modern classic

[hexed inlet]

I love the hefting stance

[stray basalt]

so the explosion sent one flying, and their burning body collided with some barrels on the lower floor

which promptly exploded and killed even more people

[echo trail]

where is this?

[hexed inlet]

zhentarim basement?

[stray basalt]

yee

[hexed inlet]

I wasn't meaning to play any today but then I went and did a bunch because 17 lured me cunningly into a vc

[echo trail]

i am perfect and blameless in every way

[stray basalt]

you minx you

[hexed inlet]

act 3 spoilers ||I went and found minsc, got +2 cha from the mirror of loss after successfully talking my way out of having to fight anyone, killed some naughty firework people, and then went and stepped on gortash||

[echo trail]

based

[hexed inlet]

||wyll did die to gortash as is tradition but he was ok because I chucked a healing potion at karlach and some of it happened to splash on him too||

[echo trail]

||get fucked gortash 😌||

LMAO

[hexed inlet]

it was a genuine accident lmao

[echo trail]

||wyll's streak of failwifeing his way to success remains unbroken, we see||

[hexed inlet]

||gortash was kind of a little bitch honestly I put hold person on his goons while they were inside a wall of fire and then hit him with whatever damage he was vulnerable to until he got big and I immediately hold person'd him||

||the only reason wyll died is he got basically oneshot by the giant hand||

[echo trail]

||what's his second phase actually like? we killed him too fast to see it||

[hexed inlet]

||he gets bigger and punches you, and he summons these like ghosts that buff the enemies' strength but I just ignored those and beat the shit out of him||

[echo trail]

unfathomably based tbh

[hexed inlet]

||he also summons a giant hand that eventually does a big slam and kills wyll||

[echo trail]

||wyll specifically? nobody else?||

[hexed inlet]

next session it is time to go to heck

[hexed inlet]

||he's the only one that was enough of a bitch to die to it||

[echo trail]

||must've been why we didn't have any trouble with him||

[hexed inlet]

||it did 70 damage or something||

||it's not a scripted wyll kill or anything I was just speaking from experience of what the hand does lol||

[echo trail]

||tell raphael that his dick's small for us!!||

Alex ↩️

[Reply to:](#1162686499465220146 message) next session it is time to go to heck

[hexed inlet]

I will do this for you

your requests have thus far been sage and wise

[echo trail]

||we totally forgot to do that in our game and we're very sad about it||

[hexed inlet]

that's so sad I'm sorry

[echo trail]

have i ever led you astray? no? that's right. because i am perfect and blameless in every way 😌

Alex ↩️

[Reply to:](#1162686499465220146 message) your requests have thus far been sage and wise

[hexed inlet]

this is very true

I even exploded oogie boogie's jar of liver or whatever the fuck that was

[echo trail]

the canoptic jars are definitely weird tbh

[hexed inlet]

I need to go back and check out that spooky door down there sometime

but first mr le bail must die

[stray basalt]

okay I thought I was maybe just going insane but Larian really didnt make EK bound weapons persist through Long Rest when they did the same for Warlock pact weapons

whyyyy

[hexed inlet]

yeah it caught me out so much

I would have karlach throw her hammer and then watch it lying on the ground like "wait shit did I forget to bind it"

[stray basalt]

...that guy just spotted me

???

[hexed inlet]

he has special eyes

[austere hinge]

doing some stuff near the end of act 2
||Ketheric hits hard but I just SWAMPED him in fuckin folk. It's really weird for them to give you jahera here though. it really feels like there was meant to be something more and they just went "hey we can give you the chance to bring her in now because the quest we had planned got cut"||

[rich plover]

good news: an owlbear can use the outhouse

[dawn terrace]

"Mum I frew up"

[silk dune]

he's just a computer science major

But in magic instead

[hexed inlet]

I have discovered the emperor's dark secret

act 3 spoilers ||he's a dragonfucker||

[dawn terrace]

I can not blame him.

[hexed inlet]

I have finished baldur's gate

god I love karlach she's the best

the little epilogue with everyone was really nice

[winged vapor]

She is the best

It’s a fact

[hexed inlet]

I'm very glad I brought wyll into the party at the start of act 3

having ||the little avernus gang|| is very cute

[proven forum]

|| ‘‘'Twas I who fucked the dragon, fuck a lie sing fuckaloo
And if you try to fuck with me, then I shall fuck you too” ||

[hexed inlet]

act 3 epilogue ||karlach smoking two cigars at once while an electric guitar cover of the main theme plays is a moment which I believe will be seldom matched by future entries in the medium||

[austere hinge]

I like having ||Jaheira|| in my party but I worry that she won't have much stuff to talk about/interact with

[hexed inlet]

I had her for the act 2 end sequence and no more

I wonder how many people take ||minsc||

[proven forum]

There’s a lot in act 3 ime

[proven forum]

Especially if you do this too

[austere hinge]

So many people's stories to explore and so little time

[hexed inlet]

so I finished the game for the first time, on tactician, a few days ago and now I'm contemplating a solo paladin honour run

I think this is in fact a terrible idea

[soft tundra]

Honor Mode has some fun surprises

[hexed inlet]

the main thing is I think it's infeasible for me to beat it first try and I'm not sure how down for multiple runs I am

[soft tundra]

yeah

honor mode took me a few hearty tries to get right

nothing like getting to act 3 for a run to end 😭

[hexed inlet]

I kinda just want to do it for the flex

[soft tundra]

my successful run ended up being bard 3 / rogue 9 half-orc Jarnathan Tiptoes, which felt like it could have worked solo in most places

idea was to be good at every single skill and good at running away

[hexed inlet]

jarnathan tiptoes...

[soft tundra]

As Dark Urge he was a feared assassin who made his kills into works of art, but now he was just a silly clown man who wanted to go home and stop dealing with all this stuff and his ex Gortash

[hexed inlet]

lmao

I love it

[proven forum]

A++ name.

Both funny and somehow also seems like something RA Salvatore would have unironically come up with

[soft tundra]

Jarnathan i stole from the D&D Movie and Tiptoes just felt right for an aspiring thief/clown

he likely had an entirely different name before the memory issues but who knows

[neon junco]

This has been on my mind so I had to make it

[simple spire]

Y u so cute Lae’zel

[hexed inlet]

we love lae'zel

[dusky bear]

She's nicer to me than that lady

Uhhh

Shadow the hedgehog

[hexed inlet]

lol

"you're a beta male, tav"

[neon junco]

I just remembered that like, everyone in Shart's temple has like regular names despite having similar amnesia events and then there's Shadowheart

I understand her memory thing, but everyone else just chose a different name and she chose to be Shadowheart

[simple spire]

All the other acolytes looking at Shart like she’s a fuckin’ chuuni

[severe robin]

She is though

[austere hinge]

Smoochin Lae'zel like it's my job

If you could poly mod with any two or more people who would you pick?

I would go with Lae'zel and Karlach

[hexed inlet]

karlach and a conscious lack of a third person

[stray basalt]

eyy started an honour run and killed both Zhalk and the Mindflayer

[hexed inlet]

nice work

[stray basalt]

Smooth 150xp

[hexed inlet]

and a cool sword

[stray basalt]

Intending to do solo ranger shenanigans so not gonna use the sword

[hexed inlet]

oh sneaky stealthy shooty stuff

[stray basalt]

Mhmm

Titanstring Gloomstalker

[simple spire]

I did poly mod with all the goils

[austere hinge]

fair and reasonable

[storm sinew]

I misread this as gnolls for a moment

and was deeply concerned

[austere hinge]

.... gnoll ladies

[storm sinew]

tips hat Gn'ladies

TBH, the monsterfucker options in BG3 are slim

do better, Larian /s

[austere hinge]

People didn't even get a choice to flirt with the drider

[neon junco]

Couldn't even talk to the 2 minotaurs in the underdark, criminal

[austere hinge]

"eyy bby"
"death"
"Fair"

[simple spire]

The very popular Astarion

[wise mango]

oop wrong server lol

[stray basalt]

there's not a way to bypass the outer emerald grove fight, is there?

wanna hit lvl 3 before I go at it

[hexed inlet]

if you get enough jump height you can hop up on the right and just stand next to zevlor hitting the horn every turn

but if you long rest or go places before the fight I think the grove eventually just closes

it should be fairly low-risk if you sit on the big rock and let the rest of them go nuts

[stray basalt]

oh I just want to hit the blighted village first haha

but maybe I'll rock it, yeah

[hexed inlet]

you can jump around the trigger by clinging to the left rock wall if you want to get to the village

but it's tricky

[stray basalt]

fuck

[hexed inlet]

?

[stray basalt]

I did not jump past the trigger

[hexed inlet]

lmao

the strat is to get on the rock and kill the two archers then you can do literally nothing for the rest of the fight if you want

the goblins really want to kill wyll and aradin's lot

[severe robin]

Is there any particular reason you want to be level 3 before doing it?

[stray basalt]

solo HM

[hexed inlet]

what class are you playing?

[stray basalt]

ranger

rip Wyll

[hexed inlet]

ah yeah I remember you mentioning it

rip wyll

[stray basalt]

this is fiiiine

[hexed inlet]

time to hide

[stray basalt]

about that

just have to survive the hit

[hexed inlet]

lmao

[stray basalt]

wooo

oh sweet I can res Wyll

[hexed inlet]

go walk into a new spot

or succeed a survival check to dig something up

[stray basalt]

wait bugbear assassin

[hexed inlet]

ye

[stray basalt]

eaten by an owlbear

whoops

[hexed inlet]

[stray basalt]

didn't realise there'd be a second one

[hexed inlet]

just honour mode things

[stray basalt]

yupp

[hexed inlet]

they saw the guardian ape rematch and thought "yep, this'll do"

[limber shore]

It is technically possible to sneak out of the fight or even not be included in it in the first place if you position yourself correctly, but unless you can skip the trigger, the fight always proceeds.

Fun thing that I discovered with a friend: ||If you have one party member in the emerald grove gate fight and stall on their turn while the rest of the party goes to retreive Karlach, you can see how having Karlach join the party instantly forces Wyll to leave combat and disappear, since there's currently no way to meet Wyll organically after meeting Karlach.||

||As in, he always ambushes the party at camp a long-rest later, iirc.||

[neon junco]

||Mizora really wanted Wyll to confront Karlach so she teleported him||

[severe robin]

No

||He literally just runs||

||He books it out of the combat on foot, around the corner||

[dawn terrace]

https://fxtwitter.com/LadySapphyre/status/1789449990655344842?t=0TnrjOOjzkz_R13otVmsfQ&s=19

[hollow wind]

We have a thread @hexed inlet ?

[hexed inlet]

we have a thread

[hollow wind]

Huh. Well, playing honor mode (and I do need to sleep soon since I have work in 8 hours and need to prep) you have to treat every fight like surgery

Know where everything is and what abilities do before any fighting begins

Like literally an hour prepping a fight, reading and watching guides

[hexed inlet]

[hollow wind]

Really on a honor mode run the hardest part I think is getting to level 4 as fast as possible

Then you have feats and you can start having builds come together

[hexed inlet]

yeah the early levels are definitely the most lethal

it seems like the hardest parts would be the beginning, and bone boi

[hollow wind]

Then levels 4 to 8 is hard, but you can always avoid bad fights

Bone boi easy

Hunger of Hadar

He doesn't move

Drop a wall of fire on him too

[hexed inlet]

hm

I thought about trying it solo but I think that might be a bit much

[hollow wind]

Don't honor mode solo

Also don't honor mode Dark urge (which I did)

[hexed inlet]

nah it can't be that bad

[hollow wind]

My honor mode winner was Dark Urge III

[hexed inlet]

I definitely want to do a dark urge run next

I did the first few levels of tactician solo and then the rest of act 1 with just my bard and karlach

[hollow wind]

Perhaps you can do that

[hexed inlet]

only picked up more party members for bone boi since I physically couldn't kill him with two

just didn't have the builds for it

[hollow wind]

But if he's in hunger of Hadar you can just keep him in it and hide

[hexed inlet]

does that blind?

[hollow wind]

Yes

[hexed inlet]

the way I beat him in the end was by just keeping him blinded the whole time and he can't really do anything

[hollow wind]

That's why it trivializes it

But yea. The key is get to level 4

Then levels 4 to 8 you play it safe

Build up items

Then you eventually get to Balders gate 3

Then in the city you basically decide, do you want the dice or the challenge

[hexed inlet]

lol

[hollow wind]

If you want dice, fight orin, ally gortash, make Gale go suicide bomber

Done

Gale let's you autowin the final battle

[hexed inlet]

I feel like if you can get there you can win it

it's just a dps check

[hollow wind]

It is.

Also a huge part of honor mode is know what are the auto lose scenes

Example if you make out with the mind flayer on the beach at the begining, you die

[hexed inlet]

lol

I always just shoot that guy the second he comes on screen

[hollow wind]

Right but you can torpedo a run by clicking the wrong dialogue options

[hexed inlet]

ye

[hollow wind]

Like if you tick off Vlaakith, you die

Just an auto death

[hexed inlet]

yeah

[hollow wind]

So just paying attention and knowing what to avoid to avoid easy losses is important

[winged vapor]

Man barbs have the best dialogue

[bleak wagon]

I think the Vlaakith one was the only really surprising autodeath. But it sure was funny

[simple spire]

I think it’s kinda weird because the whole point is that she’s not actually a god

And also she can’t autokill you after that one scene

Like if you agree to do what she says and then just don’t, she just … gets to stay mad?

[rich plover]

we did that accidentally by agreeing, then wandering through a secret door

[austere hinge]

I did get wished out of existence by her yeah

[severe robin]

Like, if she can Wish you to die, why can't she just Wish you to die at any other point?

[echo trail]

she's bad with names and can't remember who you were exactly

[severe robin]

lmao okay yeah I fully accept that to be true

/gen

[simple spire]

Honestly though I think it should just be a bluff

Vlaakith is not a god

[severe robin]

No, but she is a powerful spellcaster, and powerful spellcasters can do that

[echo trail]

(also, do you for sure get killed by wish? i thought it was just kind of vague "you pissed off a god and they smote you" thing, not any one spell)

[severe robin]

She says "I wish for you to die" or something along those lines

The word Wish is both in the sentence, and specifically highlighted in the subtitles

[simple spire]

No object permanence

[echo trail]

vlaakith adhd girlboss queen? 🤔

oh, huh

Aurora, Serpente Princess ↩️

[Reply to:](#1162686499465220146 message) The word Wish is both in the sentence, and specifically highlighted in the subtitles

[white sleet]

She doesn't have line of sight to you afterwards,

[rich plover]

she keeps meaning to wish you to death, but every other time she ends up wasting it on something stupid earlier in the day.
"I wish this coffee was still warm-- ME DAMNIT"

[echo trail]

we did that once just for shits and giggles and we completely missesd that, oops

[dawn terrace]

Wish is powerful but has a nasty side effect that she might not want to risk. Her sending inquisitors after you is easier.

"The stress of casting this spell to produce any effect other than duplicating another spell weakens you. After enduring that stress, each time you cast a spell until you finish a long rest, you take 1d10 necrotic damage per level of that spell. This damage can’t be reduced or prevented in any way. In addition, your Strength drops to 3, if it isn’t 3 or lower already, for 2d4 days. For each of those days that you spend resting and doing nothing more than light activity, your remaining recovery time decreases by 2 days. Finally, there is a 33 percent chance that you are unable to cast wish ever again if you suffer this stress."

[severe robin]

Yes, but Wish is also guaranteed to work and we are on track to ||topple her entire empire||

Surely after the third Inquisitor hit-squad gets killed she'd go "Oh fuck they're getting close"

[winged vapor]

||I assume she’s only powerful enough to do stuff to you till you visit the astral plane physically||

That’s my guess

[simple spire]

You can agree to do her task, then walk out without ever ||entering the prism|| and she won’t kill you.

[dawn terrace]

The Planecaster might have something to do with it.

[neon junco]

Noted that she is not a god but not a PC spellcaster either and has the whole gith empire with resources for rituals to empower her that's beyond what a PC could have

She doesn't have to follow those rules depending on edition

As for why she can kill everyone when hologramming you but not any other time? Idk

[hexed inlet]

maybe that room has a bomb under the floor or something

[neon junco]

If I had to come up with an excuse the prism is extra plot armor that protects you from her remote killing powers but it was in a state it couldn't protect you at the time

[clear kestrel]

Gonna pull a My Cousin Vinny

Wait no

Liar Liar

[simple spire]

I’m afraid Hell Law has no age of majority

Because it’s Hell

[neon junco]

I know Wyll's human or was, but I imagine laws a bit flexible considering some races like kenku and goblins won't live past 30

Also i'm sure hell doesn't care and will make a verbal pact with a toddler the moment it could speak

[wise mango]

you would assume it was simply the age of majority for each race, since that is supplied in their stat blocks

[clear kestrel]

There is also a pact made with an actual child in the game

[winged vapor]

Why don’t we just you know, just find his contract and destroy it can’t be harder than ||Raphael||

[golden grotto]

wish we saw kenku in BG3…

No funny birds…

[tiny flint]

Oh this is a thread

Neat

I’m about to finish act 2 in my first playthrough

||Or at least kill Thorm||

[austere hinge]

Eyyyy

careful though, anything beyond act 1 we try to spoiler

[tiny flint]

Ah sorry

[austere hinge]

no worries no worries

[tiny flint]

And now ||Thorm is dead||

[austere hinge]

yeeeeey

[hexed inlet]

good work on bone boi

[tiny flint]

Also before we did the final fight of act 2 ||my friend I’m playing with wanted to show me what happens if Gale decides to blow himself up there||

||and I cannot believe he goes out on a fucking bad pun||

[severe robin]

||He what?||

[tiny flint]

||he blows himself up after saying “one last Gale to end them all”||

||he basically says “it’s Galeing time” and then gales all over them||

[severe robin]

Amazing

[hexed inlet]

that's incredible

[tiny flint]

Also huh I just realized something

With ||Ketheric and Omni Man, JK Simmons has now played two near immortal bastards who miss their wives||

[neon junco]

||Does he miss his wife? I thought it was mostly Isobel his daughter||

[tiny flint]

||I think it’s both||

[severe robin]

||Both. He managed to keep it together after his wife died, just, and then losing Isobel broke him||

[tiny flint]

Also man the beginning of act 3 spoilers ||encounter with Orpheus’s honor guard is just cementing in my head the Gith are always crazy strong||

||they always have the hardest encounters||

[winged vapor]

They are also some of the most memorable

I wish we could replicate their powers

[neon junco]

I mean ||gith did overthrow the mind flayer empire which spanned entire planes so yea||

[neon junco]

I'm thinking of new frontline builds and could use ideas.

One i'm thinking is Berserker barb/Thief Rogue dual wielding finesse weapons.
-Reckless attack means always getting that sneak attack 1/turn.
-Extra bonus action for extra attack

Other i'm thinking is Fighter with 2H weapons
-Extra feats and ASI for like savage attacker (which apparently is buffed from 5e) and great weapon master.

[simple spire]

The trouble with berserker is that the attack penalties add up fast. Also you're probably gonna want a fighter level for dual-wield style to make it worth it. However, may I propose: wildheart 6/Thief 4/Fighter 2. Bear for the first animal aspect for more resistances, Stallion for the second animal aspect so that you can trigger Dash (as a bonus action since you're a rogue) to get a bunch of temp HP every round). This also helps you maintain rage because you will never be unable to reach your target.

[neon junco]

Interesting combo

[simple spire]

2 feats, a combat style, Action Surge, 2 attacks, a shitload of things to use your bonus actions on, plenty of tankiness, ridiculous mobility

[neon junco]

Is wild heart/thief/fighter the level up order you recommend?

[simple spire]

It'll work for sure

You can shuffle stuff around depending on exactly what you want in terms of starting proficiencies or priorities for getting stuff

I might do Barb 5/Rogue 2/Barb 6/Rogue 4/Fighter 2

Multiclassing into rogue gives you another skill proficiency so you don't lose out much on that front

But rogue still gives you maybe more desirable starting skills? I dunno, there are various ways to do it

There are also various ways to play it -- for instance, if you want to go weird finesse two-hander, there's Phalar Aluve and then a finesse glaive in Act 3 that let you combine Great Weapon Master with sneak attack

Or you could do something else and then get really weird in Act 3 with Dueler's Enthusiasm

Suddenly become a fencing master barbarian

Use your fighting style on single-weapon style

The version of this build I tested was a straightforward two-handed strength build that skipped using sneak attack but

Honestly the Dueller's enthusiasm idea seems pretty funny >_>

[tiny flint]

I am very glad oath of ancients paladins don’t have a clause against lying

Because man I love lying in this game

[simple spire]

Hm. Is there a reasonable way to build a hand crossbow cleric?

[neon junco]

War domain seems the most obvious but war domain benefits usually affect only 1 attack and clerics have a lot of bonus action spells and not a lot of class features affect their weapons besides their level 11 damage buff and sometimes that's only melee weapons

I don't remember if you can use your bonus action to offhand attack without action attacking in the first place cause it allow yoh to action spell then shoot a bit

And war domain channel divinity negates the penalties from sharpshooter feat basic

[simple spire]

I think you can. Not positive though.

[rich plover]

Bg3 let's you make an offhand attack before/without making any mainhand attacks.

Nice for a bard with the helmet that gives you +spell attack/spell DC when you hit with an attack. Use your bonus action to add a stack, use your action to cast a spell.

[simple spire]

Hmmmmmm

Thinking about going back to my playthrough and doing massive respecs

[winged vapor]

Is there a way to turn off using the off hand attack when you use the main

[severe robin]

Yes!

It is under the dual wield button, I think

Somewhere around there

[winged vapor]

Thanks a bunch

[simple spire]

I think there’s even a key for it

[simple spire]

Quick check: paladin aura of protection from multiple characters doesn't stack, right?

[gaunt jackal]

nope

[simple spire]

Thought so

Danke

I kind of lost track of my playthrough so I think I'm gonna start again on Tactician

Kind of thinking Shart and Lae'zel are gonna be different paladin multiclasses, want to do something charisma-based but not sure what. Hmmmmm ...

I could just ... not go charisma based and be the tavern brawler monk I was born to be, but I like succeeding on charisma skill checks

Astarion's gonna be a bizarre Barb/Rogue duelist because ahahahahaha

Which leaves Wyll, Gale, and Karlach

Karlach could be a tavern brawler and I've done that in the past but. Alas you cannot use her tiefling smites with unarmed attacks.

So it feels wasteful.

[hexed inlet]

bard is really good

[simple spire]

Not sure exactly what I'd wanna do for it tho

[hexed inlet]

the build I beat the game with was 1 fighter/10 swords bard/1 wizard (just to learn a few scrolls, not super build relevant)

[simple spire]

Could just do Swords Bardadin I guess

[hexed inlet]

a lot of important bard spells like hold person are concentration and fighter gives prof in con saves and heavy armour/martial weapons

yeah I think bardadin is pretty strong

notably there's a double ranged attack

so with extra attack you can shoot someone 4 times per turn

or pop 4 separate chaff enemies with cull the weak

[simple spire]

Man Swords is just way better than Valor, huh?

[hexed inlet]

yeah

[simple spire]

Like even if you're not gonna use the Swords fighting style at all

[hexed inlet]

yeah I never used it

[simple spire]

It's just head-and-shoulders stronger

[hexed inlet]

lore is fun if you want to be an actual support character

but swords is the chad build where you just use all your inspo on yourself lol

lore imo is stronger in 5e weaker in bg3

[simple spire]

Yeah, I'm thinking Bardadin w/two-handed weapons

Aim for Balduran's Giantslayer :D

[hexed inlet]

hold person and smite

very killy

[simple spire]

I could do Wyll as a silly throwing build >_>

And Karlach as the TB monk again despite tragic loss of smites

And ... I dunno, some dumb Storm Sorcerer shit for Gale

Halsin is easy, Druid 12 is good

[rich plover]

Lore getting to debuff saves in BG3 is pretty great

[hexed inlet]

yeah it's still good it's just firmly a support role imo

like, a very strong support role, but not as killy

[simple spire]

Minthara ...

[hexed inlet]

if you want her in your party without being evil you can knock her out at the goblin camp

and she shows up later

[simple spire]

That's the plan, yeah

[tiny flint]

I went with a rogue paladin multiclass

[frigid oxide]

If you knock out the tieflings at the start to rescue laezel do they come back/does it still cause a paladin fall

[tiny flint]

Just to stack as many extra die in damage as possible

[tiny flint]

I don’t think so

[simple spire]

They do not come back, but you still fall

[frigid oxide]

🤔 shame

[tiny flint]

Though they’re also not hard to diplomacy out of the way

Especially as a paladin with a decent charisma score

[simple spire]

The only real reason to do that is if you're trying to fall

[frigid oxide]

You underestimate my ability to roll a 2 with a -1 charisma modifier

[simple spire]

It's the single easiest way to get into Oathbreaker

[tiny flint]

Oh no

[simple spire]

Why do you have 8 cha as a paladin

[hexed inlet]

crab claws are bad at rolling dice

[frigid oxide]

Oh no I'm just asking in general

[tiny flint]

Uhhh, you could go to camp, grab the helmet that lets you disguise self and become a gith temporarily?

That makes the intimidation DC only a 5

[frigid oxide]

If I'm making a paladin oathbreaker is the goal

[tiny flint]

Oh

[simple spire]

Oh, then yeah, knock them out

[tiny flint]

Then yah just beat ‘em up

[simple spire]

It's the fastest way to get Oathbreaker

[tiny flint]

You can kill then if you’re an asshole because they aren’t relevant later but like

That’s mean

[simple spire]

I'm not sure it'll break every Oath, but it'll definitely break Devotion

[tiny flint]

I don’t think it breaks ancients

[frigid oxide]

Sadly bg3 can't let me do the "I broke the oath of conquest" meme

[tiny flint]

Also yah speaking from experience of trying to make oathbreaker shart, it can get really annoying

[simple spire]

So yeah, start Devotion, go to Lae'zel in a hurry, knock out the tieflings, get your cool evil powers

[tiny flint]

In my playthrough me and a friend had to wait until the underdark’s second area to ||kill our former Dueregar allies||

[simple spire]

Oathbreaker gets some amazing dialogue responses here and there

[frigid oxide]

Now I want to make an all oathbreakers and necromancers party for October

[simple spire]

It's worth noting that without mods you cannot break a companion's oath

[frigid oxide]

Ah

[simple spire]

Only PCs can be oathbreakers

[frigid oxide]

Poo

Mod time

[tiny flint]

Wait but we didn’t have any mods for that

I did it with shadowheart just fine

[simple spire]

... wait really?

[hexed inlet]

oathbreaker, necromancer, shadow monk, gloom stalker?

[simple spire]

Shit, I guess I'm mistaken

[tiny flint]

The only mods we had were party limit remover and honor mode features

[hexed inlet]

for the spooky party

[simple spire]

Wait Shadowheart as a companion, or Shadowheart as Origin PC?

[frigid oxide]

Spooky party

[simple spire]

Just checking

[tiny flint]

Companion

[simple spire]

Gotcha

Okay, I guess that works then

[tiny flint]

We just had her initiate combat with some allies as a devotion paladin

[frigid oxide]

Why are the edgy evil powers always the coolest ones

[tiny flint]

That broke the betrayal clause so she became an oathbreaker

[simple spire]

Honestly I kinda think Ancients gets the best oath features

[hexed inlet]

whatever dame aylin has going on is the coolest ones

[tiny flint]

Oh absolutely

[hexed inlet]

even if she is absolutely feral her moon powers are rad

[tiny flint]

Just innate spell resistance and misty step oath spell is crazy strong

[simple spire]

Yeah

[frigid oxide]

I think being feral is half of her appeal tbh

[hexed inlet]

ancients being good in bg3 is cool because it sucks in 5e

[tiny flint]

What how?

It’s the same

[hexed inlet]

oh no nvm I'm thinking of watchers

[tiny flint]

You still have its best features in both, spell resistance and misty step

[tiny flint]

Oh yah watchers kinda sucks

[tiny flint]

Also yah absolutely

She’s feral about murdering ||ketheric|| and her wife

[hexed inlet]

murdering people in general

[frigid oxide]

To be fair I'm also feral for doing a big fight

The number of things I've dove into just because it promised a good scrap

[simple spire]

I absolutely love the thing you can say to the myconids

[tiny flint]

What?

[simple spire]

I forget the exact line but it amounts to, "||I'm not anything, I'm just me.||"

And the myconids are like, "yeah bro come on in"

[neon junco]

I'm plating a barbarian on balanced with some buds and the thought of barblock came to me. A 4 attack charisma based frenzy barbarian with yet to be determined pact. No spellcasting in combat basically so probably armor of agathys before combats but that's I can think of doing

[winged vapor]

I’m really enjoying pure barb on tactician

Tiger barb is a monster

[simple spire]

Hey folks is there something I'm missing or does a paladin who doesn't care about spell DCs or Aura of Protection not actually need any charisma?

[neon junco]

Some subclass use CHA mod like ancient's heal I believe

But also your CHA determines how many spells you can know

But if you just want to be a smite machine then no

[simple spire]

Ah true

Right

Just wondering if this Cleric/Paladin build actually needs much charisma

Or any

[neon junco]

Cleric and Paladin is an interesting combo, what's the synergies you're planning

[winged vapor]

Also the aura is very very strong

[simple spire]

I'm gonna have the aura from another character, fwiw

There's gonna be a Pal 7/Warlock 5 and a Cleric 7/Paladin 5

[simple spire]

The idea is to go all in on radiant damage and effects

Paladin gets us extra attack, smite, and defense fighting style

As well as maybe some utility spells?

Depending on oath

And gives us some additional scaling on our spell slots

Cleric does cleric things

Fun fact: although this won't let me see them (I'm planning on giving this build to Shart), there are apparently unique dialogue options for cleric/paladins of Selune

I believe while talking to Shart?

[neon junco]

Yea you can romance her as a selunite clerc and it's very interesting

[hexed inlet]

tragically paladins do not have gods by default but there's a mod for it

[simple spire]

Aye, hence why you have to take cleric levels (or mod)