#Baldur's Gate 3

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austere hinge
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Best to finish that then do an honour mode

grave prism
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damn you got to Act 3 much faster than my party did

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our run ended around 150 hours and we spent a not insignificant amount of that in act 3

gloomy cloud
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in multiplayer?

grave prism
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yes

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4 player party

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it was my first run in the game

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the run started on release day August 3 2023 and ended the 14th of January 2024

gloomy cloud
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that would explain why it took so long

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4 players pushing in all directions

grave prism
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it was honestly pretty funny cause we ended up playing through like

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all of the major updates

gloomy cloud
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also I would hate to play this with a full party

grave prism
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so the game changed drastically during out playthrough

gloomy cloud
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as my first playthrough

grave prism
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legitimately a bunch of stuff completely changed during the course of us playing

gloomy cloud
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that's cool

grave prism
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it was interesting

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for example the club of hill giant strength changed iirc

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it used to be worse

soft tundra
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did your steam de-sync

dawn valley
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Why everyone hate the ironhand gnomes ?

gaunt jackal
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Out of game, or?

dawn valley
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I mean i've a lot post/meme on how they're the worst gnomes

gaunt jackal
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Have you finished the game?

dawn valley
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I went to act 3

simple spire
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It's mostly just Wulbren

gaunt jackal
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||Afaik the memes aren't about the Ironhands themselves, its Wulbren Bongle||

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||Who, yes, is a massive dipshit||

dawn valley
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||i mean he did ask me to blow up gortash robot factory||

simple spire
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||Wulbren is on the right side but he also treats everyone like shit||

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||He has not one respectful or compassionate bone in his entire body||

gloomy cloud
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I'm not reading these spoilers

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but I like them because I am EXCITED to do some terrorism

storm sinew
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The forever post

gloomy cloud
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look hes a dick but like he's under pressure

simple spire
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That's not why he's a dick

gloomy cloud
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I'll find out

clear kestrel
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He's also ||a big old racist||

dawn valley
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||and by that i mean did poison the goblin ?||

gloomy cloud
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nah ||I just killed em||

winged vapor
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Can you sneak attack with a thrown weapon ?

austere hinge
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Yeah

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you can sneak attack with all ranged you just require the sneak attack requirement

winged vapor
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So if I toss a sword it will work with sneak attack ?

austere hinge
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Would you have advantage on the attack? Because I do not think so. Swords are not a thrown weapon so you'd get disadvantage on the attack, and any advantage you have would be negated by this.

neon junco
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Adjacent ally?

rich plover
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ranged and melee sneak attacks work a little differently. melee sneak attack requires a finesse weapon, but ranged sneak attacks can use any weapon (since ranged weapons don't get/need finesse to work with dex). Throw makes a ranged attack. Either way, you need to meet the requirements:

a foe you have Advantage against. You can also use Sneak Attack if you have an ally within 1.5m / 5ft of the target and you don't have Disadvantage Disadvantage.
in tabletop at least you'd have disadvantage for throwing a non-Thrown weapon, which it sounds like BG3 continues from what Leika is saying. If they didn't keep that, or if you use a Thrown weapon, or if you have some way to cancel the disadvantage then you can sneak attack using an adjacent ally.

austere hinge
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Throw a dagger or a spear or anything with thrown abilities and you're good though

severe robin
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Does it need to be a finesse weapon?

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I know it does in the tabletop

rich plover
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for a melee attack, yeah. for ranged it doesn't look that way from the ability description, but I haven't been playing a rogue

austere hinge
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my big question is why not use a bow?

severe robin
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Could be wanting to use one of the weapons that increase crit range?

austere hinge
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Fair. Also question, if you have a champion with that weapon does it move down to 18 - 20

winged vapor
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Barbarian rogue throwing build

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Tis why

soft tundra
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According to reddit, you can sneak attack with a finesse thrown weapon as of December patch

simple spire
dawn terrace
austere hinge
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I refuse

limber shore
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oh damnit i just found that meme i was gonna post it lol

austere hinge
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I found it interesting that I could try and persuade my party members to accept using the slugs. I chose not to, because I still have no idea if it's a bad idea

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but I'd rather not put extra slugs in my brain

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I will not use my massive persuasion for evil

deft crypt
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coward

limber shore
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im the same way

austere hinge
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(this is a proven lie)

limber shore
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i almost never put the worms in my characters

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in part cause im a vanilla weirdo who wants to play characters without the added complexity

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but also in part because if i were in that situation i would absolutely not be putting more worms in my brain

austere hinge
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i did wind up doing drugs with that guy in the underdark though

limber shore
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very based

deft crypt
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my brain is full of worms

grave prism
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Love me some worms in my brain

austere hinge
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"hey consume these for power"
"Never, I will not be tempted in such a way"

"Hey you wanna do drugs with me, the sketchiest man you've ever met?"
"Boy howdy, teach me how to make the worst concotion"

simple spire
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If only the Guardian told you the worms were recreational

austere hinge
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I'm not a fan of being ensorcelled by ancient beings

grave prism
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simply kill them

austere hinge
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Once I've got the thing out of my head maybe

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they're doing me a turn, and they are respecting me not eating the bugges

simple spire
golden grotto
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collect all the Wormys but just so you can have a big aquarium in your pocket

grave prism
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you can snack on them

sonic pollen
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FUCK. 2nd honour mode run lost to this god damn act 1 fight, and I was prepared this time >:(

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next time ||i'm just going to ditch Lae'zel and skip the creche, i swear to god||

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screw it, gonna try doing a durge run this time

golden grotto
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im not 100% sure

sonic pollen
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there's a lot of act 1 that you can skip

sly flare
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I think you can pretty much just go to a place which leads to act 2 provided you can get through the fights

sonic pollen
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yeah

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but ||the creche has some really good items||

sly flare
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Which is helpful for speedruns, but very bad for an honour mode run as you need the levels

sonic pollen
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could just ||go far enough into the creche to pick up some stuff from the trader in the creche, and just ignore the fight with W'wargaz||

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||the gloves of dexterity/knife of the undermountain king are most of the reason you'd want to go to the creche (aside from story stuff)||

neon junco
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Astarion in the corner begging for a worm and I am the worm gf who's rejecting him

sly flare
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if Astarion got rejected by a Worm I think it'd change him forever

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he'd be worse but bad in a completely different way

neon junco
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Skill issue if I was rejected by a hot worm I would cope just fine

sonic pollen
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I would simply not get rejected. Sorry to everyone else, I'm just built different

austere hinge
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Worm-like

neon junco
austere hinge
simple spire
neon junco
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All worms are sigma in my eyes

sonic pollen
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the absolute grindset

austere hinge
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Lets get this bread (dirt)

sonic pollen
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worm > tadpole

neon junco
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If the emperor called them gummy worms I'd would have eaten the whole bag and no mind control could stop me

sonic pollen
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the potential consequences of allowing an alien parasite to grow more powerful inside of you vs "hehe gummy"

austere hinge
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Becoming corrupt with power holds no sway over me. But gummy worms? Gummy worms own my ass.

sonic pollen
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jokes on you. karlach owns my ass

clear kestrel
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Tbf he gets mad if you do eat them

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But then why'd he make them out of gummy?

austere hinge
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Karlach is against the worms

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But weirdly pro soul coin use

sonic pollen
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well the souls are already dead and processed

sly flare
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She's already used to soul coins and they arent likely to turn her into a mindflayer

austere hinge
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But I suppose those fuckers already minted

clear kestrel
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Aren't there repercussions to ||using soul coins to?||

sonic pollen
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only moral

austere hinge
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I don't know much she just spoke about it when she picked one up and was very adamant. To be fair, she made a point where its a devil resource and we can literally use it for our own ends and make sure it doesn't wind up in a bad person's hands

sonic pollen
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in-game there are only upsides to using the coins

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the only downside is the thought of consuming literal souls

clear kestrel
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I thought you could get a cut scene ||where she starts to burn up||

sonic pollen
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||karlach will just do that regardless, i think||

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||it's kinda her thing||

clear kestrel
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Ye but it implies some form of damage to her

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Even if mechanically nothing happens

sonic pollen
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tbh the coins are barely worth using in the first place

clear kestrel
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Ye it's pretty minor

austere hinge
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What do they even do?

clear kestrel
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Apparently they were gonna have more use at a secondary currency, but that could just be fan rumor

sonic pollen
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1d4 bonus fire damage

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for like 10 rounds

clear kestrel
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And a buff when she's under 25% health

sonic pollen
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nvm it's until long rest

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1d4 fire when raging or when below 25% hp

austere hinge
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For a soul

sonic pollen
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only time i really use them is in the fight ||with the wood woads during the investigate kagha quest|| in act 1

austere hinge
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I'd prefer bigger and shorter

clear kestrel
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It's good for monk Karlash

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But she's already nuts good so

austere hinge
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She already... what?

clear kestrel
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Very good

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It's nuts

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Nuts good

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Like crazy good

dusky bear
austere hinge
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Oh okay.
Just after the conversation about Mecha's ass being owned by Karlach my mind went elsewhere

sonic pollen
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hahaha

sonic pollen
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Minthara MTG

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because i realised that some people may not have seen this artwork

bitter moon
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that doesn't look like Minthara

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she's a paladin, not a cleric

sly flare
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it looks like early access Minthara

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and cleric as a creature keyword fits paladins fine

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although it's a little weird she's only a 2/2

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but I guess the XP thing is supposed to show her getting stronger

clear kestrel
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These cards were designed before the game was finalized

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So some stuff is a bit off

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MTG also doesn't have a paladin type, but they could of made her a Knight or Warrior

gaunt jackal
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"cleric knight" woulda worked

clear kestrel
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They don't go for duel class types often

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Creature types are roughly split into "ancestry" and "job"

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Human Soldier, Elf Artificer, Dog Knight, etc

gaunt jackal
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I know, but they have done it

sonic pollen
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The Battle for Baldur's Gate set (CLB) was released on June 10, 2022. BG3 early access started on October 6, 2020

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early access minty

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clear kestrel
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But sets are made like a year in advance+, especially stuff with licencing deals

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Does look more like her EA design

sonic pollen
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yeah. they prob used the ea design as the reference for the card

gaunt jackal
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they 100% did, yeah

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very different vibe to current day Minthara

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lmao

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This is Party Minthara

sonic pollen
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i shall find the rest of the bg3 gang

clear kestrel
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[[Wyll]]

dusk spruceBOT
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Multiple cards match “Wyll”, can you be more specific?

sonic pollen
clear kestrel
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[[Wyll, blade of frontiers]]

dusk spruceBOT
clear kestrel
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Ah I was gonna say, you can use the bot

sonic pollen
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yeah, but this is more compressed. there are still more

gaunt jackal
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It will never not be funny to me that (BG3 ACT 3 SPOILERS) ||Including Sarevok and Viconia are the most deep cut spoilers ever||

sonic pollen
sonic pollen
gaunt jackal
sonic pollen
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they had this guy in there as well, who is specifically a novel reference

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the bg3 wiki doesn't mention the mtg cards :(

simple spire
sonic pollen
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i never read them

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i just looked up where this guy came from

simple spire
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They are enormously terrible

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Also the fact that they didn't write CHARNAME on the card is an insult to the community 😭

sonic pollen
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i looked it up, and apparently Abdel Adrian is the "canon"? name of the protagonist of BG1 (and maybe 2?)

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or at least was one of the default pre-gen characters for bg

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and he's a bhaalspawn, so he's technically related to the Durge

simple spire
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Yeah, the main character of the BG1 and 2 is always a Bhaalspawn

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That's what the games are about

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BG1 is unraveling Sarevok's plot to plunge Baldur's Gate into war with Amn to honor his father and inherit his power

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BG2 is the main character getting kidnapped by a wizard who wants to use their Bhaalspawn power for his own sinister ends

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Throne of Bhaal is the culmination of the Bhaalspawn crisis leading to CHARNAME either forsaking godhood or ascending

gaunt jackal
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They're real good games

simple spire
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BG1's a little rough around the edges

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But BG2 is chefkiss

gaunt jackal
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Though I'm very sad BG3 (BG2 ToB and BG3 Act 3 spoilers) ||took the complete coward's way out and didn't give us redeemed Sarevok||

simple spire
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I honestly just try to ignore the links between the BG saga and BG3

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They are nominal at best

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"Oh look at this character who you remember! We fucked them up" :P

gaunt jackal
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Honestly yeah lmao

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Valid

simple spire
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The game is good enough to stand on its own two feet

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(Shadowheart spoilers) ||Viconia|| in particular pisses me off

gaunt jackal
neon junco
soft tundra
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i miss the early access Minthara haircut sometimes

stray basalt
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"oops"

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neon junco
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oops

sly flare
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you threw it directly into a primary artery

dawn terrace
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Any advice for ||Yurgir||? I'm level 7, should I just leave and comeback later with an extra level?

austere hinge
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Which one's that? Which act?

zealous shale
simple spire
dawn terrace
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Fair, i'm mostly just following the main quest beats, a could stand to explore a bit more.

wise mango
soft tundra
dawn terrace
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Got it, do more stuff, try to dialog my way to victory.

soft tundra
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ofc it all depends on what choices you wanna make etc etc roleplay game funny

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but if you wanna duke it out im pretty sure yurgir is like... one of the nastiest setups in the game, certainly the nastiest in act 2 its sooooo stacked against you ( i like this i think its fun design )

golden grotto
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he’s the ||demon that Raphael wants you to kill right||

storm sinew
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yes

golden grotto
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ah yeah that fight is tough

severe robin
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If you do want to kill him, ||Offering to work with him makes him and all his guys walk down, making killing them a lot easier because you can steal the high ground||

dawn terrace
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Talk no jutsu is op.

austere hinge
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BARD POWER ACTIVATE

dusky bear
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bard bird

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i'm almost seeingn that as an excuse to ping winged

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i'll resist

austere hinge
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I have a question, about act 2

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||I have been going through the temple of shar, I got all the orbs. I got to the end and it's going "hey things might change if you haven't done some things and you come back here". I'm worried because I haven't found Mol or the leader of the tieflings. Are these things that would change if I complete the temple of shar area? Is there anything I might miss out on. Also i feel bad cause I'm going through Shart's area and she is not with me, because... I don't like Shart.||

severe robin
austere hinge
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FUCK

dawn terrace
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||There's a pretty big, character changing thing for Shart at end of the gauntlet, equal to Wyll's, so bring her. As for Mol and Zevlor their stuff gets resolved after the gauntlet, ur fine.||

austere hinge
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||Ugh but I don't liiiike her. I haven't done anything else with her, can I just bring her into this final area?||

severe robin
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||You just have to bring her to like, the very end of it.||

austere hinge
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||I wish I could save the displacer beast ;-;||

severe robin
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||As long as she's with you when you go into the portal, you'll be fine.||

austere hinge
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I'm going to put her in pajama pants and watch her get bodied. I've barely used her.

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I'm dating lae'zel

dawn terrace
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Bae'zel good. But I prefer Shadowheart

rich plover
austere hinge
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... hey did you know ||Lae'zel makes some comments if you've gotten into a relationship with her and you've licked the rotten spider meat and got aroused because of the succubus saliva.||

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None of them approved of my actions

dawn terrace
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Gale yelling at you like a misbehaving cat.

austere hinge
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I experienced two:
Lae'zel telling you that you have to deal with that "little problem" yourself if you get aroused.
Lae'zel telling you to remind her, when the poison wears off, to tell you that you deserve what's happening to you.

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.... I licked the spider twice

soft tundra
austere hinge
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||yeah I've run in, got minthara, free wulren bongle, free the tieflings, met the meat in the walls, robbed the place blind and came here. I even jumped down the horrible flesh hole.||

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||just a bit worried I've missed stuff. Oh and I got the kid in the darkness to fuse back together, and killed all the family of Thorm in the area.||

soft tundra
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the moonrise infiltration is the really big easy to miss one, if you did that thats a big relief

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im assuming you did the monastery?

austere hinge
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||yeah I did the creche, put Lae'zel in the brain scrombler. The blood of lathander is really useful for this area.||

dawn terrace
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Aside from maybe cutting off reinforcements, what use does arcane lock have?

sonic pollen
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preventing enemies from running away

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iirc in act 1 you used to be able to ||stop auntie ethel from going into her lair using arcane lock on the hidden staircase, but i'm not sure if that's been patched||

austere hinge
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It isn't the best of spells

sonic pollen
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It's a very situational spell that you won't use unless you have a specific plan

wise mango
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but exist to make what the game throws at you less bullshit impossible magic that only I can use but not you

hexed inlet
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I fell off my last run near the start of act 2 because I was having too easy a time with the game and didn't love having to manage a whole party, so I'm thinking about giving a solo or duo tactician run a shot

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does anyone have class recs

wise mango
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Swords bard + Gloomstalker Ranger + Rogue Thief

austere hinge
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sword bard so you have jack of all trades for every skill you could want

wise mango
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with duel hand crossbows

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you can put out enough numbers to end encounters in 1 turn

hexed inlet
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I don't wanna go dual hand crossbows that's lame

wise mango
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with dread ambusher and high dex you will always go first

hexed inlet
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swords bard seems like kind of a fun base for something though

wise mango
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then TB berserker barbarian

hexed inlet
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TB?

wise mango
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Tavern Brawler

hexed inlet
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oh yeah I did that in a short-lived run with my friends

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I was throwing greataxes at people

wise mango
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18 base strength at Lvl4 or if you think you can scrounge enough giant strength pots an 18 in dex

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there's also a returning spear in act 1 that can easily carry you through the whole game

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since the return can also hit people and deals full damage

hexed inlet
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damn that does sound pretty good

wise mango
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it is very funny

hexed inlet
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I was thinking of taking karlach though so I can do that with her

wise mango
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they've solo'd whole encounters in my honour mode run

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there's also the barbarian paladin fighter cleric with GWM

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a dedicated tank/burst damage god

hexed inlet
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what's fun to go with for swords bard

wise mango
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duel hand crossbows
anything works

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but it's best with ranged weapons

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since slashing strike on ranged attacks is actually just shoot twice with bonus damage

austere hinge
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Could go paladin/bard and get the helmet that hits people who miss you with attacks in the creche

wise mango
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I feel like that helmet is best used on a caster

austere hinge
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My Lae'zel at the moment is a menace because even when the enemy are attacking they mostly hurt themselves

wise mango
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since they've got busted high AC with spells

austere hinge
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I mean bard/paladin is definitely a caster

wise mango
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they lack shield

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and mirror image

austere hinge
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I thought paladins had shield? I've not used them much though

wise mango
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they do not

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it is a wizard/sorc exclusive

hexed inlet
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you can get a necklace with shield on it

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from somewhere

wise mango
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ACT 2

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||Last Light Inn||

hexed inlet
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ah yeah

austere hinge
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I have found it useful on my Lae'zel though

wise mango
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nice

hexed inlet
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I think I had that on lae'zel in my run too

wise mango
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I was thinking about doing a solo murder hobo game... Which has the bonus of not needing to worry about making any speech checks

hexed inlet
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the whole party had like 19 or 20 AC

austere hinge
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Oh, as well, the invisible spear plus a paladin makes smite crit fishing more viable

wise mango
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just attack 8 times

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one of them will crit
Clueless

austere hinge
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||Works well with a ring I found in the Gaunlet of Shar too, which gives you a guaranteed crit after you kill someone.||

wise mango
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||used that ring to insane effect in honour mode, almost 1 rounded Ansur||

austere hinge
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yeah that plus a paladin is just... way too dangerous

wise mango
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that plus a half orc is dangerous

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think of the numbers

austere hinge
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Half orc paladin with that ring might as well get an aura of death around them

wise mango
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||feed them the brain worm of free crits as well||

austere hinge
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All they need to do is ping one creature to kill then the next attack is going to erase someone from the planet

wise mango
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||2 daily crits, either for stamina or to just ruin someone's day||

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||fun fact about the ring btw, it can make nat 1's crit people. V funny||

austere hinge
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As a halfling I don't know what that is

proven forum
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Is there a way to build an effective rogue in this game, or is one better off doing something like swords bard for a similar skill monkey + dex vibe?

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(AFAIK rogue damage is very bad, so that’s thd basis of my question)

soft tundra
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I've not had that experience with rogue damage, myself

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I was pretty reliably nailing sneak attacks

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and really having the rogue mobility was super useful in most of these battles

tacit sluice
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Thief Rogue is considered the better subclass since it gets 2 bonus actions

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Which opens up quite a few possibilities

soft tundra
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you can do some goofy stuff with thief rogue

white sleet
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Thief rogue can carry you the whole way through just fine

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There's a ring that gives you advantage on all attacks even

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So you just sneak attack every round for no effort and then have two bonuses too

soft tundra
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the ability to just auto succeed a ton of harder skill checks also helps a ton

white sleet
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Expertise is a cracked trait when the modifiers aren't big

proven forum
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OK sweet

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It’s like the one class I haven’t experimented with at all. Poor astarion always gets swapped nigh instantly

simple spire
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Lots of different variations on that theme

grave prism
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i'm doing a monk build with thief 3 atm

simple spire
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In particular something like Hunter Ranger 5/Thief Rogue 4/Battlemaster Fighter 3 is really good for hand crossbows

neon junco
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Dual hand crossbow build as above is cracked

simple spire
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(Technically Thief Rogue 3/Battlemaster Fighter 4 is very marginally stronger, but is harder to level since it takes longer to get your second feat)

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(And by very marginally I mean it gets a tiny bit more HP)

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I'm also fond of Wildheart Barbarian 6/Thief Rogue 3-4/Battlemaster Fighter 2-3 for tankiness, mobility, and pretty good damage, since it just generates temp hp by dashing around all the time without stopping

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Obviously you don't get Battlemaster if you take Rogue to 4 but ... feat

soft tundra
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rogue 12 goes hard too :P

wise mango
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I'm still like 90% sure that if you want to talk about sheer pumping with duel hand crossbows, swords bard is still your best bet

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swords bard 6, Thief Rogue 5, Fighter 2 with Sharpshooter and the deathstalker cloak is completely broken

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especially if you get good luck with magical hand crossbows

neon junco
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I agree with sword bard the ranged flourish is insane burst damage

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Plus you get so much extra for being a full CHA caster

simple spire
wise mango
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you're right lol

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swords bard 5, Rogue 2, Champion Fighter 5

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the better crit chance is worth losing the single extra shot

simple spire
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I'm not convinced that it is offhand, has someone done calcs?

wise mango
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which ultimately there are other ways to get that bonus action back anyway

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I haven't lol

simple spire
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Also taking Champion just feels like such a waste

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When Battlemaster exists

wise mango
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I've also forgot what build I actually used for it beyond swords bard and other stuff

austere hinge
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I'm currently a lore bard with a fire causing hand crossbow and an extra damage to burning enemies handcrossbow

wise mango
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I should go back to that party

wise mango
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wow so the build is just 6 in bard, 2 in fighter and 4 in Rogue

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I mean

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10 attacks in 1 turn is still busted

austere hinge
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Now haste them

wise mango
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that's only an extra 2 attacks

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the party comp I was running this with also lacked a person to run the haste spell on them for

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so i just made a statue of them ACT 3 minor spoilers ||for inf bless|| and had them drinking haste potions the turn before I'd start a combat

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to fully negate the sharpshooter debuff basically

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since they were +2 crossbows

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for a nice 5+4+2+2+1d4-5

neon junco
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And take sharpshooter for that +10 damage

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Battlemaster prone into advantage attacks

wise mango
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eh

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can't florish and battlemaster is the thing

neon junco
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You can't? I thought it prompts you when you get a successful attack

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Or did I use my bonus action attack for that

hexed inlet
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so I played bg3 for nine hours today

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have a shot of my poor bard looking very unhappy

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I already found a bunch of stuff I never saw the first time round lol

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like for some reason I never went in the owlbear cave before

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||(I had a beast speech potion on so I smooth talked my way in there and snuck out with the egg)||

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I'm curious whether there's anything I can do with the egg or the idol of selune

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also gotta confront kagha, not sure what order I'm gonna do all of the next stuff in but I know I'll have to somehow pick off the goblin leaders then free halsin

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bc I've still got like the zhentarim basement and all that stuff to do

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tactician mode with two party members is definitely way harder than the regular game though so I'm enjoying that, really having to use a lot of tools and brain juice to get through encounters

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with just me and karlach at level 2 and 3 respectively fighting off those paladins was a real feat lol

austere hinge
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Yes you can do something with the egg

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So it's good to keep around.

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If you want to know what I can tell you

hexed inlet
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it went right in my food pack and I was like squint

hexed inlet
austere hinge
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In the area near the creche

hexed inlet
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ok cool

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I probably won't be heading there for a little while

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what's the deal with the selune idol

austere hinge
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Yeah but it's decent to keep around.
I think the selune idol is just decent for selling. I know there's a shar statue you can find too

hexed inlet
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oh aight

austere hinge
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Not in there but there is an idol

hexed inlet
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it seemed special but makes sense

austere hinge
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Yeah I've kept it for so long myself

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Haven't found anything yet

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If you don't kill the owl bear do you miss out on Orb?

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(Orb is what I call the cub)

hexed inlet
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I assume so since I just left

proven forum
hexed inlet
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she had just had the shit beaten out of her by a weird cult man while karlach laughed

proven forum
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I was looking at rogue stuff and tbh as cool as I find the class in theory I think I’ll get bored of it.

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How does this build look to you folks? Usually my swords bard is astarion but this time I shall be in charge

hexed inlet
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I'm not sure to what extent I'll stick with swords bard because I do kinda want to multiclass into thief or gloomstalker or something

simple spire
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It’s a bard, it does what it says on the tin :D

austere hinge
# hexed inlet I assume so since I just left

Orb (not actual name) the owl bear cub can show up in the goblin camp being rather abused by the goblins after you fight the mother. You can save them and they'll show up after a some sleeps. Scratch can help adopt them.

dawn terrace
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Going full 'Dark is not evil' with an oathbreaker/fiend warlock durge.

hexed inlet
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played a bunch more bg3 today

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I assassinated all the goblin leaders (which I'd never done before) hitman-style

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minthara fell victim to a dangerously unstable bridge, gut slipped and fell off a ledge which should have had safety railings

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and for dror ragzlin I blew up his little congregation with some barrels then fought him very dramatically on the beams

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that last one perhaps not agent 47 approved

white sleet
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Did anyone witness you throw his body into a chasm afterwards?

hexed inlet
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I did the classic ninja smoke bomb technique with an invis potion then feather fall'd down to go get halsin

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I didn't think to chuck him in a hole

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oh yeah I also exposed kagha and ||beat the shadow druids with her help and without taking any casualties|| so I managed to get like the best possible outcome

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other than that I went and bought some of the juicy stuff from the creche trader (thank you disguise self) and I'm not sure I did much else today

soft tundra
hexed inlet
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now I have the gloves of dexterity I should probably respec

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I am enjoying bard well enough, although when I saw the doubled long rest cost it put me off doing them so I haven't had much inspiration to spend on shooting guys

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I think I've taken like three

neon junco
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I feel like it's sort of the best ending and best punishment since she was more than willing to die, but she was not ready to be essentially ||demoted and start over and shamed||

simple spire
soft tundra
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Id try to shotgun out some long rests when possible for story flags

hexed inlet
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yeah I'm gonna start doing them more often

soft tundra
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Fun trick is to not eat until the last one

hexed inlet
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I'm thinking about where I want to go class wise with my character, I think swords bard gets extra attack eventually so after that seems like a good time to put levels in something else

simple spire
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Swords Bard gets extra attack at level 6

hexed inlet
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I'm not really sure what I want this character to be doing yet

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yeah I'm level 5 atm

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gonna go shove the spider matriarch down the hole and fuck around in the underdark next session I think

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gotta fight the hag at some point but I think I'll do that once I get my extra attack

simple spire
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Remember that respec is super cheap

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You’re not locked in

hexed inlet
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yeah I know

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I'm gonna do one next time because I got the dex gloves

soft tundra
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Love the stat items for that

hexed inlet
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I have been wearing the int headband the whole time too

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I summoned lump for the tree stump fight

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and just let the ents eat him

proven forum
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RE minthara, I’m OOTL

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How does one recruit her now?

hexed inlet
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you have to team up with her, take the grove, then catch up with her again during the main story

proven forum
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Gotcha. Thanks

charred niche
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I thought you could recruit her without the Grove Troubles nowadays

hexed inlet
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maybe, idk

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I've done the above way

dawn terrace
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You can, knock her out while she's temporarily hostile after seeing you steal or attacking her before talking to her and kill the other two before you long rest and she can recruited at moonrise. She and Halsin have to share a tent tho.

proven forum
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That is extremely funny.0

dawn terrace
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Also. Something very funny just happened. ||You know,how,you can use glut to reanimate dead humanoids or hook horrors? And how glut attacks you when you don't side with him? Well I reanimated a hook horror with him and it was friendly, but AI controlled, when he attacked.||

charred niche
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I do wonder why there isn't some effect for ||Bringing the Artifact around them, I guess they're Real True Believers? :|a||

neon junco
soft tundra
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Minthara is 1000% worth recruiting shes so funny

austere hinge
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I've just recruited her

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I love her response to Gale being "wizards. They always get themselves killed because they're secretly idiots"

tacit sluice
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I tried recruiting her but ended up not happening

austere hinge
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How'd you go about it?

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I got her as a good play through but it was hard and I had to be told about it

tacit sluice
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Tried using a mod so she didn't die in the Goblin Camp when I beat her up

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Didn't work

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Too late to go back to it cause I didn't know until I reached Moonrise

neon junco
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Yea wish there was an indication of sorts

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Like even a small cutscene when you knock her out that's like "spare her, leave her, kill her"

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So you know if you choose spare her you'll meet her again

tacit sluice
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Right? I'm playing a Drow so I thought it'd be neat to bring her along. Especially since I was able to get the Singing Blade in the Underdark

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Figured I could've given her that and that LS that causes Poison when wielded by a Drow with Dual Wielder feat

soft tundra
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I just love how fiercely loyal she is, shes such a cool revenger

austere hinge
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As a good aligned player I know that you can get her by ||stealing in front of her to make her temporarily hostile, then knocking her unconcious before clearing out everything else. Then she'll be in trouble in Moonrise when you get there, at which point you can rescue her.||

soft tundra
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Yeah, its a very cool scene

severe robin
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Actually, I believe they patched it

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You can just knock her out now

dawn terrace
dawn terrace
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Wait there's not just oathbreaker specific dialogue, there's oathbreaker of certain oaths dialogue?! That is amazing.

proven forum
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Okay, plan for my party is a controlly swords bard durge, gloom stalker thief astarion, oath of devotion Wyll, and Gale. I’ll swap to Minthara from Wyll later.

dawn terrace
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Gale. Nothing special about him he's just Gale.

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Wait.

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She's the Goddess of magic. He's just Gale.

hexed inlet
austere hinge
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I want to push Gale down a hole

hexed inlet
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my current character took one look at his dodgy portal and said "no thanks"

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are there any good ranged weapons for a bard in act 1 btw? I've been using that lightning charge bow but I'm not actually proficient with it

wise mango
hexed inlet
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I guess I'll just pick up that hand crossbow from the moonrise towers lady whenever I get there

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I got that finesse longsword from the creche pretty much just for drip

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the returning pike has been nice btw thank you for letting me know that existed

austere hinge
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Hand crossbows yeah. What kind of bard are you playing?

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There's a bow sold in the druid Grove that can get you a spell slot back on a crit but you need martial weapon proficiency

hexed inlet
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swords

austere hinge
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Which lore bards don't get

hexed inlet
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I don't have martial weapon proficiency

austere hinge
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Ahh heck

hexed inlet
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I'm not playing optimally because it's looking like I don't really need it and I'm big on the vibes/fashion

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not me using a longsword with the duelling fighting style

austere hinge
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Do you know about the ||club of Hill giant strength||?

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It's great on my lore bard

hexed inlet
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that's in the underdark right

austere hinge
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Mostly cause he doesn't use his melee for much and instead massively bumps his carry weight and jumping skills

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Yee

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In the old tower

hexed inlet
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I'll make sure to get it when I go there

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I've seen someone grab it but never found it myself

austere hinge
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Yeah you need to ||get access to the top then break a stool||

hexed inlet
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ye

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spider cave and popping down to the underdark for a bit are first on my to-do after respeccing

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I'm thinking about making karlach a fighter and giving her the beefy adamantine armour because she has like 13 AC currently and I think she deserves protecting

austere hinge
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Very much so

soft tundra
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sweet ole Gale

proven forum
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Tbh gale is by far my favorite

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Normally I don’t “care” very much for game characters

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But like I genuinely care about gale

soft tundra
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Yeah, he's grown on me the most out of all of them.

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Shadowheart will always have my heart, but Gale was a surprise.

proven forum
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I think he’s a great character. I appreciate that I had to think critically about his story a bit.

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I also am just… very sympathetic to his flaws and foibles. And I like his sense of humor.

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That said, I am forcing myself to experience astarion this time

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I have previously kind of hated him, but I think I am missing out, so gritting my teeth and not romancing my best guy

soft tundra
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A redeemed Durge astarion romance is fascinating and probably my favorite among the durge romances

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Very, very peak writing for many of the scenes.

proven forum
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I’m looking forward to it! I also adore Durge stuff, so I just need to get past early “Astarion disapproves” stuff xD

soft tundra
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I think Astarion and Laezel being extra prickly upon recruitment turns a lot of folk off but they come around quickly

proven forum
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Ya indeed

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Lae’zel was the first romance I pursued, I think she’s still my favorite of the three ladies to romance

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I stand alone is strongly disliking Shadowheart as a person

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(But I think she’s a great character)

neon junco
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Shart is my favorite romance

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But then again I romanced Morrigan in DAO

dawn terrace
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I know everyone wants a BG4 rn but I really want a game of his style set in Waterdeep, Chult, or god forbid, Eberron.

soft tundra
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I'm okay with BG3 being the last baldurs gate, and getting a space game instead 👀

austere hinge
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currently going after Lae'zel and I do not like Shart

proven forum
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I’m happy as long as I get good games of this genre.

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Gale and the others will live on in my heart. And in my fanfic.

soft tundra
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and in all the funny art

charred niche
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Lae'zel is a perfect character tbh

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Gale is a good wizard but the internets passion for treating him like a scared child is wack

simple spire
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Gale is such a fucking dork

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The way he flirts is hilarious

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"Let us make magic together" lmao

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Really all the dudes are dorks

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Astarion just does the best job of pretending not to be

charred niche
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He used to be a little spiteful if you turn the magic display down but I think they patched it

austere hinge
neon junco
simple spire
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God turning down Wyll made me feel like I kicked a puppy

charred niche
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"We've known eachother a good four hours since that beach. Let's wed."

simple spire
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Thankfully he has a scene later where he's like "all good, all good"

neon junco
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Real lesbian hours

hexed inlet
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lae'zel is the only one I've romanced (unless you count the minthara camp scene) because she really really liked my fucked up monk for some reason

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like maxed out approval meter liked

charred niche
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Lae'zel appreciates directness and action and that seems fucked up monk styles

hexed inlet
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fucked up monk slaughtered the grove

austere hinge
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I actually maxed out Wyll's approval super quickly

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Lae'zel took a while

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Halfling Bard is... the epitome of fucking around and she doesn't like that, specially at first

simple spire
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Lae'zel has a great arc

neon junco
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Laezel has a weird dislike for short races

austere hinge
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Well she's dating one now 😄

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Lae'zel actually REALLY likes it in act 2 if you start being cunning and talking your way through some difficult encounters

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She gets inspired a lot by it too

neon junco
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Yea she kind of has a change of heart act 2

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Same with shart

hexed inlet
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karlach does not like me talking my way out of potential combat situations

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she really wants to fight people

neon junco
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She mostly dislikes not fighting "evil" people

simple spire
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Shart, Lae'zel, and Astarion are all essentially in the process of deprogramming themselves

hexed inlet
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we're just gonna kill them later karlach give me a minute to steal all their stuff and fill their house with traps first

neon junco
#

Gale to a lesser extent with Mystra too

hexed inlet
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she's very impatient smh

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but I am romancing her on this tactician character because like, it's a duo run with karlach, what else would I do

neon junco
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Although Shart, Laezel, and Astarion will deprogramm themselves if you let them be

Gale won't deprogram himself unless you push him to

simple spire
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I mean Astarion won't really stop being the asshole Cazador made him without a push

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Shart ... kind of will?

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Her climactic moment is the ||Nightsong||

hexed inlet
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I'm excited to find out what that is

neon junco
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Could I have looked it up? Yes but nah

simple spire
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Also more generally Astarion needs someone to model good behavior for him

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Lae'zel can solve for it from first principles, Shart knows perfectly well what it looks like

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Astarion needs you to be nice to him or he will never figure out why he should be nice to people

neon junco
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I do love playing nice characters

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My power fantasy is to obtain great influence and wealth so I can use it to help others out

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You will have a social safety net and there's nothing you can do to stop me!

tacit sluice
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My power fantasy is to help everyone

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No matter how much La'zell disapproves of murdering a Hag

hexed inlet
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she does?

tacit sluice
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When I did it she did

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Though it was more in the context of "why must you help everyone you meet"

proven forum
charred niche
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I keep hearing the grooming stuff but I feel I missed a convo did she mention like raising him or something I thought they met later

proven forum
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Quite young I think, but im also inflected by Minsc’s take on it

charred niche
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What I remember is him already being in like Magic College when all that started but idk

proven forum
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It’s not an age problem so much as it is a divinity versus mortal problem,

simple spire
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Mystra has a long history of doing it with her chosen

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Greenwood established that

charred niche
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Maybe we don't always listen to his choices on that sort of thing lmao

simple spire
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Yeah I'm just noting it's in-character >_>

charred niche
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Yeah sorry

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I just get a little weird with people throwing "grooming" around with like adults

simple spire
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Yeah it's not really grooming

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It's a power imbalance that might make you uncomfortable

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But Gale's a big boy

tacit sluice
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With big dreams

charred niche
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The fact that you have to tell him No. Every time a new Magic Fuckery appears is so good

simple spire
#

Mystra's behavior was more workplace sexual harassment than anything else

soft tundra
#

The game has recurring themes of relationship power imbalances/abuses (Cazador, Mizora, Mystra, Shar, Vlakith, Gortash/Zariel, etc) with each companion

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An overarching theme in bg3 is being able to take those imbalances and reduce the injuries they are inflicting upon their hearts and souls

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Letting Lae'zel forge her own path, letting Astarion earn his personhood from Cazador, getting Wyll out of his pact with Mizora, etc etc

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and Gale's is that he was, to whatever debatable level, used and then left behind by Mystra in a great time of need, and then she shows up out of the blue to tell him to explode to fix a problem that is in no way his, and you have to help him not only see that theres a life for him outside of mystra/magic but that he isnt just his mistake

neon junco
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Minthara too

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Halsin is fine and dandy with his life though

soft tundra
#

if anything Halsin is just finally getting to end a longstanding issue and go on druid-vacation

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and Jaheira/Minsc's stories are "done"

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Minthara's is very fascinating to me, she's such a well done take on drow

proven forum
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Gale himself is obviously an adult but, idk, I guess the specifics of who mystra is to him and to wizards makes it cross into grooming for me

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Not something I’d like get upset about if others disagree though

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(Worth noting also that I intensely dislike Mystra even before BG3 so that’s probably warping my perspective, too)

soft tundra
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Gale claims to have gained Mystra's favor at a young age, and while young age is debatable, I agree with you.

charred niche
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The timeline is hard to track tbh, and sorry not trying to argue with folks

austere hinge
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I do like that the theme of this game seems to be "freedom". People gaining freedom for themselves in forms that they can. The cost of it but the worth of it.

charred niche
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Does feel harsh Karlach doesn't rightly have an ending to her storyline for that

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But you can only fit so much game in one game

austere hinge
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apparently they rewrote her pretty late on

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the voice actress did her stuff well after everyone else

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She does such a good job though

soft tundra
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I think Karlach || dying on the mortal plane around loved ones as her choice in an impossible situation|| is a perfect bittersweet ending

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Totally get why people dont like it

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But i think it fits

charred niche
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Ngl I'm just biased against every part of the story Gortash is involved with so i can't say

hexed inlet
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I knew I shouldn't have clicked that spoiler

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||guess my duo run is gonna become a solo run eventually o7 ||

soft tundra
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||Its not a set in stone ending, if that helps||

hexed inlet
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ah ok

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I will do my best to avoid it unless it seems warranted

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like I said before I believe karlach is precious and should be protected

soft tundra
#

100%

hexed inlet
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her silly little dance pleading

soft tundra
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"hey there, soldjuh"

hexed inlet
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baldur's gate is like game of thrones to me

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I watched game of thrones like 50% just to hear british people

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there are a lot of good british accents in bg3

proven forum
charred niche
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Yeah I'm just sour from random internet folks' treatment of the whole deal, thanks for bein patient with me x-x

proven forum
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No worries at all

austere hinge
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It is dungeons and dragons, so ||Karlach may have passed on from the mortal state, but they simply passed on to another realm where they are free from the grips of any damn devils.||

charred niche
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||Also couldn't we just sort of use Gale's scroll of true resurrection, I don't think it would bring back a Robot Heart||

soft tundra
#

||plot deaths 2 strong for magic items||

simple spire
zealous shale
austere hinge
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True true

charred niche
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||They really didn't have to make it the 9th level version, I think if he went out in a way hard enough to need TRUE REZ the bomb's already gone off||

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||Also how much money did the Dekarios family have, goddamn||

soft tundra
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||He was presumably archmage level before Gale's Folley happened! Had his own tower and everything.||

charred niche
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I feel like this is why I like Lae'zel, she's from another plane but somehow feels more grounded

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Everyone's rubbing elbows with insane power players

soft tundra
#

thats cuz shes like, literally just graduated from Fighter School, its what makes her fun

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laezel is just a lil guy

simple spire
#

Yeah I confess BG3's narrative power level does feel ... odd, in places

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Erratic

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Perhaps

zealous shale
#

The tadpole downleveled everyone

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Tho that still doesnt explain ||Jahiera||

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||or Halsin for that matter. Why is an arch druid (or at least the leader of a grove) so low level?||

charred niche
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I'm wondering how Gale got caught

simple spire
#

I get that the tadpole is the explanation

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But there are other things that seem off

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And the tadpole is just kind of not an amazing explanation imo

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I dunno it's not like this is a critical problem with the game

soft tundra
charred niche
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Also is the implication with Wyll and Karlach that the still-being-chased Nautiloid was stealing up and inserting tadpoles

soft tundra
#

Need those instant reinforcements

zealous shale
frigid oxide
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Lured with magic shoes

soft tundra
#

rare magic the gathering trading card gale needed for his deck

rich plover
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a black lotus under a cardboard box held up by a stick

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(a mindflayer waiting in a bush holding a rope attached to the stick)

proven forum
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I think Gale’s weakness is better explained by the artifact than the tadpole.

dawn terrace
#

The unique warlock narration and dialogue is a lot of fun but I really wish there was some more patron stuff for warlocks. So I'm not sure how that would work.

charred niche
#

Part of me wonders if they expected more people to use the Origins rather than custom

soft tundra
#

The origins have so much cool stuff

charred niche
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They really do, I just wish I could do that many playthroughs

simple spire
#

The problem is also that like

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If you play an origin

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You can't hang out with that origin

soft tundra
#

Its worth it, says the man who has done a run per origin and isnt biased at all

charred niche
#

Gale should have a Simulacrum Gale for just this occasion

simple spire
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and then you make gale and simulacrum gale kiss

dawn terrace
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||Apostle of Myrkul, scary looking, but kinda easy.||

storm sinew
#

My favorite speedrun fight

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Shadowheart from the top rope

dawn terrace
#

Two paladins double smiting kinda delete undead.

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Me respecing shart to be a light domain blaster helped too.

storm sinew
#

I just like when they turn her into a bear and drop her on him

dawn terrace
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Owlbear from the top rope

dawn terrace
#

Watching Lea'zel's shifting character is amazing. Like I told them that I wouldn't try to take over Baldur's Gate because that would be extremely bloody and she approved. I have a feeling early game Lea'zel wouldn't have.

simple spire
#

Lae’zel going from Space Fascist to Compassionate Revolutionary is done really well, yeah

iron wren
#

I failed the rolls to save laezel at the start of the game and didn't want to kill the tieflings so i murdered her 😭 so much missed content

severe robin
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Could you not haved revived her?

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Or, alternatively, for if anyone reading that runs into this problem in the future: Non-lethal the tieflings

proven forum
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I think she’s beautifully written. It gonna be a challenge not to romance her again.

charred niche
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Play an Origin and romance as someone else, Lae'zel remix

neon junco
#

The inter origin romances are very cute

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Especially Laezel and Shart

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Play as shart and romance laezel

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I haven't done other way around yet

hexed inlet
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today's progress was clearing out the spider cave and doing some of the stuff in the underdark before heading down to grymforge

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respec'd my character to take advantage of the dex gloves and respec'd karlach into a fighter

dawn terrace
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Made it to act 3 and goddamn. Thats a lot to take in.

austere hinge
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I'm looking forward to getting there but oh god there's already so much

proven forum
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I think I’m having trouble getting surprise rounds to work.

rich plover
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they're a little weird. my group's run into a lot of weird interactions with, e.g., multiattack and monk's BA attacks not working properly if you enter combat by making an attack

proven forum
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Is this correct?

  1. Out of combat hide, invisibility (duergar)
  2. Get in position, apply poisons, etc
  3. Engage turn based mode
  4. Attack enemy
  5. Combat begins
  6. Have other characters join in
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My main issue I think is I don’t think I’m getting an extra attack

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So say I’m running Gloom Stalker 5/Rogue 1 I get one attack, my ambush, and a bonus action, but I don’t think I’m getting my second attack

dawn terrace
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Oathbreaker 5/Fiend Warlock 5

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I've never played Baldur's Gate 1 or 2 and I've only hung out with Jaheria for like 5 minutes but I already love her.

simple spire
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She’s a completely different character for most intents and purposes

neon junco
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Yea she's kind of mellowed out and gotten older from what I hear but I never played 2 or 1

simple spire
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As a BG1 and 2 fan who likes 3 a lot, I try to ignore any attempts at connecting them

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I find most of the connections to be mediocre at best

stray basalt
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just hit 3/3 crits with eldritch blast rays

golden grotto
hexed inlet
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cleaned up the rest of the stuff in act 1 without much trouble and made it to the last light inn, which I'd never been to

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and immediately spent all of my money on the scale armour and cloak so the party now have 22 and 21 AC respectively

soft tundra
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Yeah the act 2 vendors are awesome

hexed inlet
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I am perma broke in this game

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how do people make money

soft tundra
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I sold magic items i wasnt using and sold crafted stuff mostly

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Lots of looting too

hexed inlet
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yeah I guess I could make some potions or something

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and do a magic item round up

severe robin
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I find selling the armour of people fairly profitable,

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Beyond that thorough looting and selling of junk

hexed inlet
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I'm also quite enjoying having a swords bard and eldritch knight who both mostly have utility spells

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it's a great balance of strong martial stuff with a lot of useful extras

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the start of the run was definitely way harder though (to be fair I was doing it solo for a bit), I'm kinda just dicking around now and things are going fine

soft tundra
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Jump is so good as a spell for ek

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Solo as in no companions?

hexed inlet
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yeah

soft tundra
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Damn

hexed inlet
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I went and got karlach near the start and it's been a 2 person party since then

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playing on tactician

soft tundra
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Alex your smoke too strong your swag too powerful. Theyll kill you.

hexed inlet
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I got bored of the game at the start of act 2 on my last run because it was too easy

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I'd go solo again but I can't bear to leave karlach behind

soft tundra
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Too easy on tactician? Youre a beast

hexed inlet
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nah that one was on normal mode

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I had a very sus monk who did far too much damage

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I got a shortbow from somewhere today that frightens people and that thing is great because I can finally stop using a longbow which I wasn't proficient with

austere hinge
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Yeah I just have karlach collect every base weapon and armour as wares and sell them to vendors

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You get so much money

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Specially good when you have the double carry capacity armour on her

hexed inlet
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aight I will start being more fastidious about loot goblining everyone's stuff

austere hinge
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One thing too, if you're going to be killing a shop keep, like in the goblin camp you can sell then kill them, put everything In a bag or chest

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Because that will drop when they die guaranteed

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And you can sell it again

simple spire
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... brilliant

austere hinge
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A bag full of swords, sell to goblin, poison all goblins, grab bag then go sell to someone else

hexed inlet
sonic pollen
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fraud is optimal

hexed inlet
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I don't think it's fraud it's just murder and interfering with a corpse

simple spire
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No it's fraud you can't take this away from me :P

neon junco
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What if I put the fraud in a bag then sell it to you and then...

simple spire
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I guess then you can take it away from me

hexed inlet
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cleared out most of act 2 today, including ||uncovering the sharran hideout beneath the town centre statue thing, getting 23 charisma from the skill check down there, and proceeding to use dastardly bard powers to rizz three thorms to death without a fight||

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the halsin portal defence is an absolute nightmare on 2 character tactician btw

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in the end I set up oil barrels and difficult terrain chokepoints and was hucking runepowder barrels onto the burning ground whenever a particularly troublesome clump of enemies showed up

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in the second fight they chain slept karlach for like 5 turns and ate my bard for breakfast but eldritch knight karlach is such a chad that she just chugged a speed potion, cast blur, and solo tanked all of the enemies while whittling down the big bois with throws

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I believe I've had two deaths so far and they were both my bard

neon junco
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I always bring a cleric to that one, spirit guardian MVP

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Basically cleric MVP entirety of act 2

hexed inlet
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I was really feeling the "this is designed for twice as many party members" on those fights

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I also don't have any AOE really

severe robin
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The Halsin quest has literally never been a problem for me, because I always convienently get the quest at the same time I unlock 4th level spells

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And uh, if anyone's struggling with the Halsin portal: Wall of Fire

hexed inlet
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people kept coming into the vc and being like "eldritch knight karlach??? what have you done that's so cursed"

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but she's doing such a good job

neon junco
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Eldritch knight is fun it's got a lot of fun items

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Arcane synergy is very neat effect

hexed inlet
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I think I sold some gloves that grant that at some point

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really karlach's spells are all just utility, she uses all her spell slots for shield

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she knows stuff like longstrider and enhanced jump which are handy

neon junco
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Oh I see I did the arcane synergy alongside that 7th level feature where you can attack after casting a cantrip which I believe arcane synergy added +casting mod to damage of the last cantrip you casted to your next melee attack

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It was fun but not really strong compared to say a full caster or pure martial since martial classes get amazing magical items that usually don't apply to their spells

hexed inlet
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yeah karlach's gloves give her +1d4 on unarmed and throwing attacks or something like that

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ah yeah throws and improvised weapons

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eldritch knight fighter throwing build with a shield and a light hammer is going pretty hard

neon junco
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Throwing build just goes hard in general

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With everyone's favorite, tavern brawler

neon junco
hexed inlet
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yeah there is it's from druid grove guy

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I should go back and see if he's there

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this is where the party is at rn though, about to head into completely uncharted territory

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will probably pick it back up on monday

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not sure if I want to spend a long rest on cleaning up some side fights I missed in act 1 to try and make it to level 8 before going in

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because the camp supplies are kinda precious

gaunt jackal
hexed inlet
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my swords bard/fighter and eldritch knight do not know what the fuck a spirit guardian is

gaunt jackal
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Good luck, I suppose :P

hexed inlet
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it's going fine

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I just don't have AOE

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which hasn't been an issue whatsoever until the two lift the curse fights

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the only reason the second one was an issue is just a consequence of having two party members bc one of them getting slept means half my guys are out of action

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and I didn't short rest or anything before going in there

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honestly things are going great

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maybe would be worth it to go bard/sorc

dawn terrace
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When the chef said he had a rat problem i expected a 5 to 10, not that.

hexed inlet
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and changed my spell loadout a decent amount to try and make up for some weaknesses in the party

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means I can wear the cool robe that alfira gave me too

neon junco
grave prism
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i think i looted all of those rats and put them in a bag

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in my first playthrough

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i put it in one of my necromancy materials chests

hexed inlet
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"necromancy materials chests" zorgwekkend

soft tundra
charred niche
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Forcing Karlach to read, sinister

hexed inlet
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wizard karlach is cursed

neon junco
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That's more cursed than druid astarion

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And monk karlach

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Ranger shart

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That was a weird party and I'm glad withers could make it happen

white sleet
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Cleric karlach...

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She went to hell and found Jesus there

soft tundra
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Its great

neon junco
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Cleric Wyll with a god that hates devils

white sleet
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Respec everyone to a cleric

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Call your save Bible camp

neon junco
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Laezel early on would be a fitting cleric or old style paladin

white sleet
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If this were a 4e game I'd probably peg her as potential Avenger material

hexed inlet
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wizard karlach would need a barbarian gale

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and not even wild magic make him wildheart

neon junco
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Not sure what an anti Laezel class would be

charred niche
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Warlock, it seems like an amount of underhandedness and paperwork she wouldn't grok with

neon junco
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Makes sense, old ones that are tangentially related to illithids

simple spire
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Too much whimsy

neon junco
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I mean Laezel is considered extremely humourous amongst the gith

simple spire
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Yeah but not on purpose

neon junco
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I could very much see Laezel as a gith bard, she would throw a dagger called words into her opponent throat and call it "cutting words" and the gith would give the dryest chuckles imaginable

hexed inlet
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I would love to hear laezel's vicious mockery

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she'd do such a good job

neon junco
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I mean all companions have an ungodly amount of vicious mockery lines recorded if they Respec to bard

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I watched a compilation of it and there's at least like 15 unique lines just for cutting words for every one of them

hexed inlet
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oh damn really?

simple spire
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Yeah

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The amount of unique lines the voice talent did for this game is wild

charred niche
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I did a Shadowheart Bard run, she deserves to use sarcasm so powerfully it kills people

hexed inlet
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I'm not sure I've actually used vicious mockery at all despite my tav being a bard

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it's just not usually as useful as shooting people in the face

simple spire
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Death is the best crowd control

hexed inlet
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I'm monster hunter pilled

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the strongest build is the one that kills the quickest

austere hinge
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I do think Lae'zel Bard would be the inverse yeah

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Lore Bard specifically

hexed inlet
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I'm quite excited to be taking sorcerer levels on my bard because it's not a class I ever play in d&d and it seems like it has fun stuff

austere hinge
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oh definitely

hexed inlet
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heading into the spooky mausoleum tomorrow

neon junco
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sorcerer is probably my favorite full spellcaster

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Even with no multiclasses in warlock for the cheese

charred niche
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I love Sorc but it does feel like all their subclasses should have a Bonus Spell List, it's odd that like 1/2 of 'em get 150% of the max spells

gaunt jackal
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Larian ironed out some of the jank but definitely not all of it

charred niche
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Aberrant Mind would've slotted in perfectly, Larian, c'mahn. but yeah it does make me want to pick Larians' brain about balance stuff, they added a lotta great changes and then some things feel real left aside

gaunt jackal
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I feel like a lot of it would be time constraints

dawn terrace
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Yeah the biggest issue with the game is that there isn't more of it. I would have killed for two more subclasses for each class, Githzerai, and some feats from Tasha's and Xanathar's.

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More gods too.

soft tundra
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There was talk during the early access that they wanted to keep scope limited because each added subclass adds soooo many more problems to iron out

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and each class with 3 subclasses is already A Lot

simple spire
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They cut Dispel Magic because it doubled the size of the game

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BG3 is a very complicated beast

austere hinge
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Exponential problems

stray basalt
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...did they not make EK bound weapon persist through Long Rest like a pact weapon?

severe robin
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My big question is: Why Storm Sorcery?

gaunt jackal
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Why not?

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Realistic answer: it's low to the ground enough complexity wise it fits with the other PHB subclasses and people at Larian liked it

severe robin
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Ultimately; because I'm not very fond of it, or any of the other Sorc subclasses that were put in

But also because, Aberrant Mind would have been a very good fit for the game, no? And I feel like Storm Sorcery kind of steps on the toes of Dragon-Blooded Sorcerers in a way that feels unnecessary

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Fair enough

gaunt jackal
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Aberrant Mind is kinda OP, so

charred niche
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I mean anyone can make a Paladin-Bard-Thing and do 900 damage in half a turn so I feel arguing things would be OP in the game is silly

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Aberrant has a lot of stuff that doesn't really align with how the game functions anyhow, and probably didn't want one class to be 'more' illithid-laden than the main story

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I'm just saying give the other subclasses bonus spells

severe robin
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They could have tuned it, although I fully admit "That would be too much" to be a valid reason for not including it

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I guess, I dunno, the problem's probably with me

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I vibe with like, two or three of the Sorcerer bloodlines and none of the others really feel that good to me

simple spire
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I don't think the problem's with you so much as that they could simply never have considered everything

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One of the advantages of TTRPGs of this type is a high level of modular complexity the vidya can rarely match

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BG3 demonstrates an immense quantity and quality of forethought but

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There were always practical limits

severe robin
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The big gripe is like, as I've said, I feel like Storm Sorcerer feels very similar to Dragon Sorcerer, in a way that I'm fine with when there's 7 options, but when there's only 3...

charred niche
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It does make it odd where you find the Big Touches on subclasses

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Open Hand got some love

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and Four Elements remains.. itself

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also Storm mechanically functions a lot differently than dragon i feel like

white sleet
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I haven't done much with sorc in bg3, is wild magic still wholly reliant on a die roll to see if you even get your class feature to activate

soft tundra
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when did aberrant mind debut?

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cuz BG3 dev may have started before it was Officially Released

dawn terrace
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It came in Tasha's

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Same with a bunch of other psionic stuff like soul knife and Psi warrior.

proven forum
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I haven’t gotten to play actual 5e in a long time, but I was under the impression the game massively boosted non spellcasters. Is this still true?

soft tundra
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This is true in BG3 yes

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Jumping, shoving, and being a melee nuisance are good.

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Part of this is because it finally forces 5e players to play on maps with terrain

gaunt jackal
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Lol

proven forum
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Makes sense. I assume stopping at 12 also helps

dawn terrace
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Yeah you're not fighting in 30 by 30 cubes with maybe some pillars. You're fighting next to pits and on bridges and in places with mud and streams of water that are difficult terrain and slow you down..

soft tundra
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Shoving is super good

gaunt jackal
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Yeah, BG3 makes mobility matter

proven forum
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I have to say I really like how 12 feels. Feels like a good balance of resources and options

white sleet
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That flight...

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I barely even used anything else it gave me honestly

stray basalt
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wow, hitting a mob with an explosion that knocks it flying and deals

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exactly no damage

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there's not even a damage roll

soft tundra
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What did you do, exactly?

stray basalt
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enemy was on a burning surface and I hit them with a caustic bulb

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the acid surface exploded

hexed inlet
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did the gauntlet of shar and subsequent moonrise fuckery today (act 2 spoilers) ||jaheira leapt in and died immediately, I do wish you could use your res scrolls on npcs||

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||having tried the apostle of myrkul a few times I have no idea how I'm going to beat him with just my bard and karlach||

storm sinew
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oh yeah Jaheira is ||great at killing herself on the enemies||

neon junco
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At least they patched it where ||jaheira heals fully since you last see her. Trying to keep her alive when she starts combat with 20% HP unhealed from the inn is rough||

hexed inlet
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I considered trying to keep her alive but it seems impossible without having pre-cleared stuff, which I did not want to go all the way back and do

storm sinew
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You can ||Talk to her before the moonrise fight and she joins you as a companion rather than being AI Controlled||

hexed inlet
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do you guys have any advice for bone boi or do I just have to bring a full party

hexed inlet
storm sinew
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As to bone boi, ||Free Aylin as soon as possible and clear the mobs on higher ground as soon as you can||

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||Aylin|| can do basically half the work for you

hexed inlet
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I was doing that first thing turn 1 with a misty step

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she just fucks around with ads then goes and dies next to the guy and can't get back up because of his aura

storm sinew
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but you want to clear as many mobs as you can so you can focus on just beating the living shit out of boneman

hexed inlet
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the little skeletons respawn way faster than I can kill them

soft tundra
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Yeah, the big set piece fights are designed with more action economy in your favor

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and youve halved yours

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plus you dont have AoE

storm sinew
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I had Astarion do it during my run, literally just hung out on that platform after obliterating the brainy-boys and fired shots

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I got a real nice Undead-Slaying Arrow from a vendor too which was nice

hexed inlet
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I don't want to have to play 4 characters

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but I feel like unless I changed my builds a lot or got some friends this guy is not doable currently

soft tundra
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You could attempt to go for a super paladin nova

storm sinew
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just bring gale and ||detonate him||

hexed inlet
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yeah I think if I respecced into double paladin and just smote the fuck out of him I could do it

storm sinew
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Sure it gets you a pretty shit ending but at least you win!

hexed inlet
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gale uh, had a minor portal accident

storm sinew
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lol

soft tundra
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yeah, i think doing a fighter action surge paladin fuckoff ultra special attack combo might do it

hexed inlet
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I think I'm level 8 btw

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idk if that's underlevelled

soft tundra
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8/9 is about the level to be there

storm sinew
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That's about expected I think yeah

hexed inlet
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that's good

soft tundra
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potions of necrotic res can help too

hexed inlet
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I don't have any speed potions left but those would be great

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I also don't think I have any paladin magic items any more because I sold loads of that stuff to the trader who then charged in and died at moonrise

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maybe wyll can respec into paladin and just be assigned bone man hitter at bossfight

dawn terrace
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Slash figures out how to counter ||reapers of bhaal: fireworks.||

proven forum
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My evil but better than you think you are run proceeds apace

dawn terrace
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I know other AOE spells work too but fireworks are funny.

proven forum
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Party is

Duergar Dark Urge Gloom Stalker 5/Thief 4/Champion 3

Minthara Oathbreaker 12 (originally Lockadin though)

Astarion Fighter 1/Wizard 1/Swords Bard 10

Shadowheart Light Cleric 12

Only real problem is that everything is trivial tbh

stray basalt
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Oathbreaker is just nutty

proven forum
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Everybody but Shadowheart is honestly bonkers in this party.

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My durge sometimes just ends entire encounters on his own (surprise rounds)

stray basalt
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what's the wizard dip on astarion for?