Lae'zel was butt naked for 95% of our run
#Baldur's Gate 3
grave prism
austere hinge
Because I gave him mage armour, and when I took his armoured robes off so he can use the armour of shadows invocation, he is now walking around in his tighty whiteys
grave prism
because for the longest time you could not interact with NPC companions if you were a 4-stack
neon junco
Armoured robes?
severe robin
Because I gave him mage armour, and when I took his armoured robes off so he can...
Yeah I know that lol
neon junco
As in light armor or actual clothing robes
austere hinge
Light armour
neon junco
Oh ok
grave prism
and our Paladin looted literally all of Lae'zels stuff in the opening part of act 1 to wear, including her underwear
severe robin
He starts off with like, padded armour
austere hinge
But it takes off all his clothes but his underwear
grave prism
so we couldn't give her any clothes
austere hinge
oh no
I turned Wyll into a bladelock because it feels like what he's meant to be
So he needs that extra AC
grave prism
she was butt naked until like, 70% into Act 3
so whenever she showed up for a scene it was awkward as hell
neon junco
I turned Wyll into a paladin first time I used him as I was the warlock lol
austere hinge
ha. faor
grave prism
especially cause that same paladin who stole her underwear and wore it was romancing her
austere hinge
Uh so I really don't know much about this game, are there any bards or did I luck into a class that doesn't exist as an NPC?
severe robin
No bards
austere hinge
Then I am a special little boy
severe robin
There's two seperate Druid companions though
safe jungle
Epilogue spoiler for Gale and Shadowheart. I guess ||becoming a Selunite|| hasn’t diminished her snark at all lmao
austere hinge
If one of them is that elf woman who's in charge of the grove I'm pushing her into the compost machine
I read her mind. I don't suggest doing that.
grave prism
you mean Kahga?
severe robin
What's she thinking?
grave prism
Kahga a massive bitch
austere hinge
Yeah Kahga
When she has the little girl who tried to steal the idol she's basically thinking about how she's in charge now and she needs to flex her authority.
austere hinge
Thankfully if you read her mind she is depressingly easy to convince to let the girl go by basically appeasing that she's shown her authority. Like not only is she a bitch she's a simple bitch.
safe jungle
A day since the head druid disappeared
And she’s already started casting the forbidden rites
austere hinge
Not even that, considering this was happening while he was still just out and you arrive to find them trying to close the grove while the other dude is just out on a mission. Like it's been a few hours since he was reported as missing.
grave prism
honestly in the playthrough i did she was extremely lucky that our Paladin did the talking cause my character would have just fought her
safe jungle
I was a durge so I RPed as if I was trying to resist my own urge by trying to calm the situation down a little
severe robin
My god that's a point I hadn't even considered
grave prism
my character has a very clear mindset of
I like you -> chill
i don't like you -> fucking die
austere hinge
I also found a druid being shanked by goblins in an underground passage but managed to save him. I thought he'd be more useful but he's just sitting around like "uh thanks I guess"
severe robin
Not even that, considering this was happening while he was still just *out* and ...
She really is just trying to kick him out of the grove so she can take over isn't she
grave prism
blatantly
austere hinge
Cause I mean it causes walls of thorns to rise up around the grove that exclude everyone but the people who are involved in casting the spell
And he isn't here
honestly as much as she is a massive problem I'm pointing fingers at all the other druids here too because literally what the fuck are you doing?
austere hinge
I've only met two druids who seem alright so far and one of them was the medic lady who pretty much tried to kill me and gave me a vial of suicide wyvern poison. Lae'zel did at least like that I promised to kill myself.
Oh she did not kill the child with me
she let the kid go
severe robin
Oh yeah, but if she does, the Druids just go "Oh wow she really went through with that someone should have stopped her"
ngl
Knowing what I know about Mind Flayers
severe robin
I've only met two druids who seem alright so far and one of them was the medic l...
Medic Lady's right
austere hinge
Yeah
severe robin
She's not even that bad about it
austere hinge
No that's why I was honest with her and agreed to take the poison
severe robin
She's just like, "Okay, it seems that something about this isn't turning you, but if it starts..."
austere hinge
Lae'zel likes it, Asterion does NOT like you promising such a thing
The other druid who seems okay is the one who is basically trying to stop Kahga when you first meet, and even then he's being a real wuss about it.
Specially if he does nothing at the murder of a girl.
the medic lady at least is sending birds looking for Halsin (which also explains why she's guiltily working on the injured bird when you first meet her)
Also that fucking squirrel bit me
I want to adopt them
rich plover
Mayrina, I understand that talking is a free action, but could you stop screaming for help for two seconds
austere hinge
storm sinew
Y'know, if there's one thing I wish the game was better at
It was giving you options for dealing with the moonrise situation/the gnomes/duergar that weren't
"Pretend to be a true soul to gain passage"
I'd like if going in guns blazing was just... perhaps a little less impossible-feeling
When I was like "yo fuck these slaving duergar" and went in to murder all of them
only to find that literally every one of them was aggroed in the entire area
But everything seems to WANT you to be like "Yep, look at me, True Soul Tav"
frigid oxide
The secret to this is to open with a volley of ranged weapons and or cantrips
That way you get the one "Wait you guys are slavers" at the start before the ghost of John Brown takes hold
storm sinew
pfft
neon junco
You can actually save the gnome nere yeets if you interupt the cutscenes and start combat and there's a little moment afterwards
Larian did think of everything
simple spire
When I tried doing that the scene proceeded awkwardly
As if the game didn’t quite understand what had happened
Maybe they fixed it?
rich plover
I had a bit of that with Mayrina and her brothers. My group knocked them out, and even got the "we knocked them out" dialogue option, but all of Ethel and Mayrina's dialogue was for if we had killed them. (And Mayrina's voice line played twice for some reason?) It not perfect system.
charred niche
It mustve been patched, me and a friend tried the cutscene interrupt and the npc he kills just vanished, no death animation or anything just blinked outta reality
winged vapor
I really want to enjoy sorc
I really do but man having to rest so often for mega magic is annoying lol
Just let me pew pew plz
charred niche
Honestly it's handy for me, my first playthrough was too efficient and I missed a lot of side content in rests
Dozey wizards see everything
Though it does make short rests feel underwhelming
winged vapor
Honestly for my urge run it makes sense I think
It’s going to be way shorter anyway
rich plover
Part of me feels like "you need to long rest way too often to see everything" and "occasionally, but not constantly, long resting is your timer" are sort of at odds. I guess on the whole you probably miss less by spamming the button than assuming one of your quests is timed?
silk dune
I don't believe a single important quest is timed
bleak wagon
Nothing that is on the critical path to the end of the game is timed. But it's still annoying when occasionally they throw a timed quest at you. Particularly since I feel like they need to be more explicitly sign posted, and the difficulty this causes can depend greatly on when in your rest cycle you hit them
I also think the whole "you are going to turn into a mind flayer in n days" at the start undermines having timed missions, and also gives people (at least me anyways) the wrong idea about how often to do long rests
rich plover
exactly, yeah. It's not a big deal, but the gameplay shift is a little jarring. And, again, not huge but there's some ludonarrative dissonance between people constantly telling you that you've got days at most and companion quests breaking if you don't rest enough.
austere hinge
I found the tiefling lady in the store room and promised to heal her for money and I long rested to get healing back (in the same room) and she panicked and started calling the guards despite me trying to sleep in her room.
Thankfully I saved recently
sly flare
Is it normal to have to do a short rest after most fights?
soft tundra
It can be! The fights are tuned for more lethality on average, to encourage more long resting id imagine
wise mango
Is it normal to have to do a short rest after most fights?
I do, but that's mostly cause I've got a bard
that extra 1 really goes a long way
neon junco
A good pace for me on tactician is short rest after every fight, long rest if you're out of short rest instead
So basically 3 large encounters per long rest
rich plover
that's what my group is doing, but we're still in act 1
neon junco
Yea act 3 is when you tend to long rest more since they throw huge encounters
soft tundra
If you have party members that can still be effective w/out rests (rogue, fighter, warlock, etc) its easier to push it with less rests
Or if you like, overlevel then go back
sly flare
Warlock is what I'm playing, and I think it's part of the reason I rest so much
as it's really good for rest economy
soft tundra
Eldritch Blast needs no rests ;)
austere hinge
I wound up not long resting until after I hit the tiefling place first of all. Just running around being a fool.
neon junco
I really long rest for the companion cutscenes, don't want to miss it
austere hinge
And I'd cleared out that little side dungeon first too, with the speak with dead amulet
neon junco
Oh speak with dead is great in this game, lots of fun little corpse talks
soft tundra
you can learn a lot of useful info
austere hinge
I do my best but sometimes I feel like a fool
Use speak with dead on guy who I know the name of and there's still a "who are you?" question
sly flare
Speak with dead to try and learn more about a guy but the only question is "Who Are you (I know)", "Who killed you(I know)" and "Comedy traditionally follows a rule of three (I couldnt come up with a third question)"
austere hinge
No that third one is my bard experience
white sleet
"how's the weather down there"
neon junco
I learnt recently warlocks get a 3rd spell slot later on
I use warlock as a multiclass too much
severe robin
Later on being like, Level 12
neon junco
11 I think but still basically end of game
winged vapor
It depends if you get the jump on the enemy
Like, I have a gloomstalker
So often if the fight isn’t too bad I can’t clean things out quick
wise mango
well, In Act 3 in my honour mode run at long last
I feel like not blowing myself up this time has really boosted the success of the run tbh
bleak wagon
Does Honour mode put more restrictions on long rests?
wise mango
not from tactician no
it still costs 80 to rest
even so, I've never come close to running out of camp supplies
the main difficulty spikes come from the legendary action system
which has been really annoying in some fights like with Nere and Auntie
or basically unnoticeable in others like Act 2 spoilers ||Ketheric Thorm and the other Thorms||
although that might've been because I got out of one of those fights
or because once you get to Act 2 if you know what you're doing, you're basically unstoppable
oh and no save scumming
really noticed that one
soft tundra
yeah mostly i found myself making sure i looted more food / bought more food
soft tundra
i can confirm that you cannot recruit Minthara if you knock her out at the gates of the druid grove :( or something else happened related to that
wise mango
Act 3 spoilers ||AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH FUCKING WHAT! THAT HOUSE OF GRIEF FIGHT IS RIGGED||
||WHY ARE THERE SO MANY OF THEM||
||I lived by the skin of the skin of the skin of my teeth, thanks only to Illithid fly speed, that was not okay||
||Just, whole party got wrecked||
||They hit for like 6 billion damage but also do bone chill and blind you, you cannot heal and you cannot make ranged attacks||
soft tundra
||the blind is the hardest part of that imo, since it kills so many options on safe positioning. grats on surviving it!!! im not looking forward to it||
wise mango
||You thought I survived? I fucking ran||
soft tundra
that counts in my books!
wise mango
||Granted I killed the mother superior first round||
||Because she is a humaniod, a critical weakness when facing someone who did some side quests in act 2||
wise mango
that counts in my books!
doesn't in mine
white sleet
||she who fights and runs away lives to rune powder those idiots another day||
wise mango
we're going back into the mouth of hell, and ripping them to shreds
mostly because this time I can get a suprise round
wise mango
||she who fights and runs away lives to rune powder those idiots another day||
||That is how honour run number 1 was brought to an end, I will not die the same way this close to glory||
soft tundra
a lot of my honour mode safety precautions have boiled down to "one person farther away with misty step / invisibility"
sly flare
The greatest sadness of Warlock is that you cannot misty step more
ideally every bonus action would be misty step
white sleet
Simply splash a couple levels in thief rogue for a second bonus action so you can disengage dash
soft tundra
that is the entire basis of my bard-rogue build thats almost done with act 2
wise mango
ideally every bonus action would be misty step
there are some misty step magic items that I recommend picking up then
bruh
I love when enemies crit through disadvantage
really makes my day
wise mango
Act 3 spoilers but TLDR, I'm about to make a really bad mistake ||Time to fight Honour Mode Ansur, Wish me luck...||
safe jungle
Oh no
neon junco
Warlocks devil sight clutch
storm sinew
I took Daylight as my ranger just for it
neon junco
I remember the act 2 ||moonrise and how all the warlocks would cast that damaging blinding fog every turn in a chokepoint||
charred niche
Prone being so debilitating is so wild. Sure made Open Hand Monk fun though
severe robin
Hm
neon junco
Why did they make prone end turns
severe robin
Does prone being so bad help contribute to Strength being stronger in BG3?
Or am I wrong in thinking that the majority of prone effects are strength saves
gaunt jackal
Grease is probably the most common example that'll come up and its Dex
soft tundra
BG3 did buff Strength folk, especially via jumping
charred niche
The jumping gets absolutely cartoonish so fast and it's great
Honestly just appreciate the bonus action support across the board
austere hinge
Grease is probably the most common example that'll come up and its Dex
Tasha's Hideous Laughter is also an early on way to prone a motherfucker
austere hinge
dex, actually an acrobatics check
I remember looking up what acrobatics did and apparently it's not much but helps you stay upright on ice
winged vapor
Oh that’s cool so if I hex dex it helps
austere hinge
Yee
wise mango
something that also helps
is nere's jays that you loot from him
which make it so you can't fall prone on grease or ice and gives you immunity to enwebbed, entangled and ensnared
winged vapor
Yeah it’s one of my favourite items
There are similar ones that do that while concentrating
I wonder if I can get them on an evil run without killing Nere
winged vapor
I’ll have to sneaky knock him out right ?
wise mango
I mean
iirc to be evil that room has to be clear of most enemies anyways
you can just turn on non-lethal and just go and beat them all up
austere hinge
Non lethal only counts for melee right? Ranged is still deadly
wise mango
yeah you can't pull the punches of a crossbow bolt
austere hinge
Okay cool I thought this was true after clicking non lethal and shooting a dog
I uh... reloaded
wise mango
... Bruh
sly flare
Just saw the conversation about prone here and to me it seems pretty weak
maybe it's because I'm coming off of like Pathfinder WOTR
but you don't even get to hit them when they stand up
winged vapor
If someone falls prone as they are walking it ends their turn
gaunt jackal
Have you out Grease underneath people and watched them basically stun themselves yet
winged vapor
Yeah, it can just shut down melee
Hmm I want to make a mind controller but I can’t pick between sorc and lore bard
wise mango
Just saw the conversation about prone here and to me it seems pretty weak
most enemies you face will be melee damage dealers, and basically none of them have a fly speed or a jump distance that can take them out of the larger AoE ice effects that you get at later levels, there's a particular level 4 ice spell that is the prime example of this, I've had bosses not take a turn two times in a row because they slipped and fell on they ass. And even if it's not big enough that they can't jump out of it, they've lost their bonus action and a ton of movement, they might be forced to dash to close with your frontliners, which has still eaten their turn and also brought them into melee with your own frontliners. Combined with a specific illithid power, if you can keep a source of ice or grease up you can basically stop your enemies from taking turns
with what might amount to a level 1 spell slot you can stun lock anything that can be slowed and proned
wise mango
errrr, I think the game just ate my spear...
Which sucks cause it was ||Nyrulna, best throwing weapon in the game||
guess I'm respec'ing into Eld knight
austere hinge
Uh oh
wise mango
yeah it's not fun
especially cause, and say it with me now, I cannot go back and get it via save scumming
(gods above no save scumming it truly a curse, not because it means that I can fail, but that it leaves me up to the whims of the game)
winged vapor
How did it eat it?
wise mango
no
I've just
taken a dip into eld knight and lived with it
I'm just kinda malding because I liked the look of it
it actually hurts my team comp because of the splash damage
but good damage is too hard to pass up
austere hinge
Back to another Stream, more Baldur's Gate, more fool actions of a halfling bard
I'm new to the game so no spoilers pls
https://www.twitch.tv/hoggmoneymaker
sly flare
Shadowheart had a work place accident
wise mango
Act 3 spoilers ||About to enter the Durge Duel with Orin, wish me luck folks||
wise mango
||Did it! I keep forgetting that in her slayer form, Orin is a push over. But regardless, Samantha Smitesalot greets the bloodless dawn, child of none||
||I really wish the slayer form didn't suck so much||
wise mango
||Literally, to get it you either have to be evil, or kill a better version of what his gift gives you||
||Like, I just solo'd it and it didn't have to give up it's first action and it went first, why would I sell my soul, my sanity and the lives of all of the beings in the realms for... A chance to be worse at killing than I already am||
||At least becoming a mind flayer actually gives you insane godlike abilities that trump everything else||
winged vapor
You also miss out on soooo much good gear lol
wise mango
just... Just ||Let Alfira die||
||The cape is all I ever actually want||
||Everything else, either costs the lives of the person I'm trying to romance, the life of a party member or you have to be a homophobe and murder someone's GF because your dad thought it would be "kinda funny"||
winged vapor
It’s good for a single run for sure
wise mango
Haven’t yet
it's so fucking cool
winged vapor
I’m actually having such a hard time picking a class and sticking to it for my urge run
wise mango
multiclass
or switch, you don't have to play the same thing for the whole run
I didn't
winged vapor
I just finished Paladin so everything feels less powerful lol
clear kestrel
Be bard for maximum bitchy dialogue
wise mango
Bard is good
wise mango
do swords
winged vapor
Or I guess I could go for machine gun swords of doom
winged vapor
I think you can get up to ten
neon junco
Or dual crossbows, 9 attacks but with sharpshooters +10 damage bonus
wise mango
you can go even further beyond
winged vapor
Yeah that was the idea
wise mango
14 attacks
winged vapor
Got an outline ?
wise mango
sure
winged vapor
I always feel weird with the spells since they do like, so little for this build lol
wise mango
Bard 6, Fighter 2, War cleric 1, Rogue 3
winged vapor
War cleric ?
wise mango
Haste and exlier of Bloodlust
winged vapor
Pour quoi?
wise mango
cleric, war domain
charred niche
I'm sorry you're only used for Bonus Action cheating, Thief Rogue v-v
winged vapor
And sneak attack
wise mango
three times a day you may attack as a bonus action
but it's bugged
and if you use slashing strike with it, it gives you an extra attack
winged vapor
Maybe I’ll skip lol
I just wish the ranged attacks were more impressive. I wanted to go full caster but nothing sparks joy
I wish Druid land was better I love Druid spells
Or if nercromany was a bit more interesting
wise mango
but yeah:
Slashing Strike: 2
Slashing Strike second attack: 2
Bonus Action Slashing Strike: 2
Bonus Extra attack: 1
Bonus Action Slashing Strike: 2
Bonus Extra Extra attack: 1
Hasted Action Attacks: 2
Bloodlust Action Attacks: 2
Action Surge Attacks: 2
16 attacks
winged vapor
That’s
wise mango
I was wrong
winged vapor
A lot
wise mango
you can even do this with a heavy crossbow
sly flare
It's so fucked up that Warlock spells can't stack with other spell caster levels
wise mango
it's to prevent CHA casters getting all of them back on a short rest for free
winged vapor
Yeah
wise mango
at no cost to their casting progression
charred niche
What can and cannot be completely broken is 100% arbitrary
wise mango
yes
charred niche
16 attacks; fine, spell slots on a rest? crime
and god forbid you wanna use Sorcery points with any sort of reliability
you're gonna be the doziest MF alive
sly flare
But I'm an innocent, I just want to attack more and use heavy armour
Not a horrifying Spell Slot searcher
wise mango
you can use freecast to print infinite spell slots
and infinite sorcerery points, from act 1
charred niche
isn't that like a daily illithid power
which all also just shatter the game over their knee
wise mango
isn't that like a daily illithid power
it's bugged
it uses the ability but you can continue to consume for free
charred niche
sounds unfun
wise mango
I honestly don't mind it
it just lets your casters be more castery
which, is fine
you've still only got so many actions
charred niche
ohh i thought action/bonus was part of the cost that got free'd
but still i dunno i don't have a good swing on this, minmax all ye want and such
wise mango
yeah like, if you really want to obliterate eerything from orbit
winged vapor
Plus I don’t think anything beats tavern brawling monk if we don’t count bugged stuff
wise mango
you are to be able to deal 8000 damage in one turn
winged vapor
Without bugs ?
wise mango
yep
winged vapor
You mean the owlbear jump ?
wise mango
as intended folks
100% crits and vulnerability to all damage mixed with all the damage stacking you can do and a bunch of the highest level Scorching Rays
4 level 5 rays 1 Level 6 in one turn
wise mango
Major Act 3 Spoilers ||Welp, about that time... Netherbrain on Honour Mode... Time to see if I'll be walking out of this run with a gilded D20... Or if I've wasted 40 hours||
||And I've got just enough explosives to blow a hole through pretty much any problem||
wise mango
||Group fight down, was suprisingly easy for the first time I've agro'd the whole map||
safe jungle
The failed performance check here is too hilarious
It has to be seen to be believed
sly flare
https://youtube.com/shorts/Ktk5DvcIqwg?si=ngX6b2RIt0pXyhhu
Me when I was 5 and didnt want to go to school
safe jungle
Hilariously they buy the act even on a failed check
But their rationale for turning hostile is that she must be infected with the plague and must be quarantined
storm sinew
TIL you can save ||Alfira|| in a Durge run
You get another character in her place tho
wise mango
Major Act 3 Spoilers ||Welp, about that time... Netherbrain on Honour Mode... Ti...
||Victory For The Righteous! One smashed brain and nobody even died in the attempt... Except Nightsong, but she got better. One of the cleanest fights of my life, thanks to dimension door, we were able to get in quick and send out our summons to keep the dragon and co busy (two Devas and a Cambion) while Shadowheart, Astarion and the Dame made short work of the left flank while Samantha Smitesalot and the emperor stormed up the right, by R2 we were concentrating on the the spell and all the arcanists were dead while Wyll and the summons tied up the rest of the illithids and the dragon in combat, come R3 we got in and did 432 damage in one round, and at the top of R4 Astarion finished the job with a smokepowder bomb arrow, ending the Absolute and my Honour Run with a bang||
Gods above, what a fucking marvelous fight!
shame I couldn't get an executioner charge for the life of me
winged vapor
Okay I decided to go lore bard
I know swords of nuts but I want more magic, what should I take for secrets ?
sly flare
Things which are usually class locked are generally very good
Because they're class features disguised as spells, so they're straight up better usually
winged vapor
That’s what I’m feeling
I’m doing an urge run but going support control is nice so warden of vitality
And maybe something for some damage, I’m between hunger of Hadar or call lighting
soft tundra
I know swords of nuts but I want more magic, what should I take for secrets ?
Im a big fan of magic missile
austere hinge
Stupid gale eating my stupid amulet of lights that was really cute
soft tundra
Yummy
austere hinge
And wouldn't eat another thing I wanted to give him
Was it like not good enough magic for him? I had no purpose for it but it wasn't a choice.
soft tundra
Yeah only certain magic items have the "gale can absorb this" tag
austere hinge
But it was the cool stuff
And I don't even use the nerd
I just got set on fire really hard in that burning building
sly flare
Yeah that buildings full of fire
Something funny happens if you throw a water balloon :3
austere hinge
I did not have a water balloon
What happens?
This is the one in act 1 yes?
Surrounded by those fist people
sly flare
What happens?
It creates an electrified steam cloud, I do not know why.
austere hinge
Wish I could have taken the ox with me
It killed a goblin, I could do with an ox like that
soft tundra
That ox has his own campaign
austere hinge
Fair
Also I love that I crossed a broken bridge by jumping, went right, came across a horrific bloody scene of carnage, had a couple of downs and a rough fight but came through, stumbled a bit the opposite direction, and wound up up coming across a place on fire with completely different corpses littered all over
like damn
Literally a road apart
austere hinge
I also explored that ruined village that has goblins everywhere
I can't tell if it was ruined before the goblins got there or they did the ruining
Also there was a deep gnome attached to a windmill
soft tundra
The village is worth returning to a few times to make sure you got everything nearby, you can think of it like act 1's hub spoke of the wheel
austere hinge
Oh I definitely need to do a few different things
I broke the +1 dagger ._.
I didn't think failing sleight of hand would snap it
I found the lab under the healer's, but I need to level a bit before I can deal with the fuckers under the well
soft tundra
Always a solid idea
austere hinge
I also found a hole in a house covered in webs that I burnt but I didn't go down there. I suspect it another way to get into the spider lair
austere hinge
I'm just fucking around at this point
I've tried to go find the druid and it's like "wow there is so much shit between here and the goblin area how did that moron of a mercenary get all the way back to the only place it shouldn't have gone and miss everything else along the way"
Talking about the dude who lured the goblins back to the druids
severe robin
Ah, that guy
Aradin
I love Aradin
I mean, I hate him, moreso than any other character in the game, I think
He's just so stupid and devoid of charm I can't help but go "Damn."
austere hinge
Why couldn't he have just exploded and died thanks to an owlbear
At this point I have met goblins I like more than Aradin
at least they didn't beg for help then be a pissy baby about it
severe robin
There's a really fun interaction in Act 3, where you can [Act 3 Spoilers, although I have tried to spoil very little] ||Tell him about something that makes him grab some friends and track you down to Camp and attack you. While he's still Level 3. And you're Level 12.||
austere hinge
Unfortunately I am not going to look at that
severe robin
Fair
austere hinge
Also I spoke with his lady companion and they basically admit that friend of theirs ran in to attack goblins and they all just fucking ran and abanadoned him.
I hope that person is still alive so he can go back and slap them all stupid.
But I doubt it.
severe robin
Only one way to find out :3
austere hinge
I'm heading that direction
severe robin
Question
austere hinge
there was just a few bumps along the road
severe robin
So, I'm being an evil durge drow, and
austere hinge
like screaming hyenas exploding into gnolls
severe robin
I want to kill the grove
I'm wondering, should I tell the goblins where it is, or should I just...
Do it myself?
Actually that second one sounds really fun I'm gonna do that
austere hinge
It will be a bit harder to do it yourself
But also kinda worth it
it feels weird as I keep going on because I've gone to try and get the druid back but it feels like they're waaaaay away and I keep running into other things along the road
I hope there's no hidden time limits because my head is getting cooked and I've long rested twice. I think I stretched it out pretty far but it's also like... damn
severe robin
I hope there's no hidden time limits because my head is getting cooked and I've ...
Nope. There are no hidden time limits.
At least not where you are
There is... one or two, in the game
austere hinge
I try to be careful and do things at a decent pace
like I've only long rested twice so far in my entire play through and even that was because I took some major knocks in the gnoll fight
severe robin
Long rest more. A lot of companion and story stuff is gated behind long rest events
austere hinge
I just had asterion try to bite me and gale eat the locket I got for saving the tiefling girl
I don't wanna feed him cool shit
that counts for both of them
I also have not met Karlach yet
austere hinge
I just hit level 4 as well, which is weird to think of it as a third of a way through my levels, but I suppose levels come faster in the early game but the awesome gear comes in the later game
(though I did get some cool things as well)
No idea if the feats I picked are useful but I'm not used to playing a lore bard so I just improved my basic stats while others got proper feats
But I am more of the skill monkey. Even if Asterion can pick locks better than I can. The hack.
neon junco
There's not many feats worth it for spellcasters imo
Besides warcaster
And resilient
austere hinge
I picked up warcaster on Wyll cause he's my bladelock
Asterion got Mobile and Lae'zel got great weapon mastery so she can bonk someone to death then do it again
soft tundra
I've tried to go find the druid and it's like "wow there is so much shit between...
Its implied they didn't even get that far, they got to the bridge leading to the village (you can find several adventurer bodies there)
soft tundra
I also have not met Karlach yet
Would you like to?
austere hinge
Oh I thought that was some other poor bastards along the way. I went in and yelled at the goblins to stop being a bastard and let me look around, robbed the place a little, made the ogres leave and the ones around the windmill leave, then just stabbed the rest in the face.
austere hinge
I decided to pay them off with 500 gold, after failing a check
ohhh that'd explain it
Well I have them to call in for a fight when I want it
And I know Karlach is around there somewhere, I'm just worried Wyll is going to try and kill her when they meet
soft tundra
Itll be fun
austere hinge
I'm a little uncertain who I'd swap them out for at the party though.
soft tundra
I love rotating folks in esp now that i know their quests
austere hinge
I'm running Bard, Asterion, Lae'zel and bladelock Wyll so I've got some good ranged and close fighters
soft tundra
Do you have grandpa at camp
soft tundra
I love him
austere hinge
Oh question:
He brought up "hirelings" are they basically other created characters or something else?
I couldn't figure out what it meant and he wanted 100 gold to do it
soft tundra
Theyre extra party members w/ no personality yeah
Cuz you can, uh, end up in situations with no friends
neon junco
Theyre extra party members w/ no personality yeah
They have a personality, it's just wither's personality
severe robin
Oh no
Horrible thought
Want to play a run with Gale as my protag
But that means I can't play as a cute girl
wise mango
But... better spell slot progression
sly flare
But that means I can't play as a cute girl
Trans their gender as the gods intended
neon junco
Gale gets better spell slot progression?
white sleet
wizards get better spell slot progression than sorcerers pretty much always because skip williams all the way back in 3.0 (3.5? one of them) was a coward who was so afraid of spontaneous casting he made sorcerers have one class feature ever
and punished their slots
idk how they stack up to other casters
austere hinge
Every time I talk to gale I wind up wanting to throw bricks at him
I'm a bard and he seems smugger than I am
white sleet
he's got that wizard ego
neon junco
I thought all full casters got the same spell slot progression except for warlock
sly flare
Gale's a little guy
I often want to Brick Astarion because he's often non-comically evil
austere hinge
Nah wizards get a bit better. Clerics are pretty strong too.
sly flare
I'll never know about clerics because Shadowheart had a work place accident
austere hinge
Oh I'm happy to brick both of them. Astarion just doesn't like me because I'm more charismatic than he is.
sly flare
Astarion is useful because he can undo traps and feeds me Inspiration every time I use trickery and skullduggery to defeat a situation
austere hinge
Wyll has the brain of a chicken nugget but at least he tries his best and was teaching kids to defend themselves when I met him.
austere hinge
I can see it
charred niche
Astarion hates when you do heroic things which does get complicated in an RPG
I love the goober but c'mon man, I gotta save the childrens
gaunt jackal
Wizards have identical progression to other casters, but can recover spell slots with Arcane Recovery
neon junco
He gets better later on if you continue being nice
sly flare
Eventually I will be not-racist one too many times and he'll be like "I have to leave"
austere hinge
At least lae'zel likes it when it fully commit to something. She's very forthright but when I'm honest and commit to taking the slug out my head she likes it.
sly flare
Lae'zel loves me ever since the workplace accident happened
austere hinge
Or when you want to learn shit. Because I love learning lore and I'm like "no that does sound cool" she likes me
I have not had a workplace accident yet
I have heard that people will generally get better as you go along, because, well, turns out that you just about met everyone on the worst day in their life
Specially Lae'zel
For my halfling bard I would say this isn't their worst day considering they look like someone him through a threshing machine
neon junco
Karlachs mostly having a good time though
austere hinge
True I haven't met her yet though
I'm considering swapping Astarion out for her but then I'll be the most naked background bard at the front line party
neon junco
Could always respec
austere hinge
Nah I don't want to respec on my first run
neon junco
I made Wyll a paladin and Astarion a druid for funsies once
austere hinge
I mean I could keep Wyll back and just eldritch blast some folk in the face
I suppose bladelocks make good mid range/bounce back and forth fighters
neon junco
Bladelocks are like "you thought I was useless in close quarters combat?"
Unless you forget to bind your pact weapon after a long rest
gaunt jackal
"aha! I am slightly better in close combat than normal!"
sly flare
Bladelocks are for having better attack rolls than martials and theortically more attacks
neon junco
I got to love heavy weapons
2H paladin, 2H barbarian, 2H bladelock
I've played it all
And BG3 gives you so many good greatswords
austere hinge
I've forgotten to bind before yeaaaah
Also I keep giving people shields more because AC useful
sly flare
Is there any reason to not use a shielf when ever possible?
neon junco
If proficient then no
Later on shields get shield bash reaction which is great cause it prones and ends turns
So your caster can stop a multi attack first hit
It's pretty bonkers defensively
I still find the extra damage and great weapon master to be more worth it with the many magical great swords available early on
austere hinge
I haven't found any yet but I gave Lae'zel the fancy footwork AC bonus battlemaster thing so it's not entirely necessary for her to have a shield
plus cutting words on my lore bard
winged vapor
Okay I’m doing spore Druid
I know it’s not super good but damn I love my summons lol
So many followers
austere hinge
I kinda want to try a throwing build in the future
just
yeet shit directly at the enemy
I haven't seen but.... if you throw rotten items like tomatoes and eggs at people will it poison them?
winged vapor
Yeah spore sorry
Mobile discord famously super great
I don’t think throwing rotten food does anything special
Iirc I tried it
BUT if you yeet someone into someone they fall prone
And both take damage
austere hinge
I was chatting with someone in my chat and they play BG3 with their husband and mentioned they should get the ring of yeeting because they keep throwing their husband's gnome into the enemy
winged vapor
Hahah
I think you take damage for the yeet as well
If you bonk someone
Two friends of mine played together as halfling barbarians and would yeet one another back and forth at the enemy
austere hinge
Wonderful
I was tempted to make a halfling Barbarian
I do also love that Halfling Barbarians work pretty damn well
dexterity and constitution bonus? Yes please, and also fuck your poison.
I'm a lightfoot halfling so better at sneaking and charismaing
The bravest warriors
neon junco
Oh there aren't racial stat modifiers in bg3
You can freely choose your +2 and +1 stat bonus
neon junco
Same
safe jungle
astarion has the smoothest brain among the party though
frigid oxide
Never trust someone who would willingly become a despotic noble
Astarion creeps me out
clear kestrel
I’m glad they removed that
Like putting aside all the ick implications of racial stats, it would just suck for origins to, and makes the game more replayable cos makes changing class viable
silk dune
I thought all full casters got the same spell slot progression except for warloc...
they do
Sorcerers just memorise fewer spells
The advantage of sorcerer is that you can cast two to three times a turn
austere hinge
I do find it strange how they suggest that stoutheart halflings are perhaps part dwarf and it's a bit like... what is a halfling? Are they their own race? Or are they just a weird mutt of the world?
soft tundra
Gale gets better spell slot progression?
Gale origin spoilers || you can get extra spell slots as Gale in act 2 its very neat ||
sly flare
me: Oh I got an achievement, probably because that boss is really hard!
Steam: You're an idiot, heres a trophy for doing it the stupid way
severe robin
I got that for [Act Three spoilers] ||Orin||, because honestly it feels like doing that fight the way that gives you an achievement is genuinely easier than doing it the other way around. At least on Balanced.
soft tundra
Killing Grym w/out the hammer is nuts to me
severe robin
I dunno, my thought when first seeing him was "I can take him." I was playing a Monk though
soft tundra
Moreso the thing that keeps happening where people see a puzzle boss arena and dont do the puzzle haha
Im too puzzle brained for it
severe robin
I examine like, every enemy and read all of their things
So I knew he could only be damaged by bludgeoning damage while in lava
sly flare
Killing Grym w/out the hammer is nuts to me
It took a few tries and I was like level 6 for it, I thought kiting him was the answer but then I just sorrounded him and hit him
if you just hit him over and over again with a stick he dies
Lae'zel had natures snare so advantage for hitting was pretty easy to get
soft tundra
I am surrounded by barbarians
safe jungle
One handed hammers have a throwable tag for some reason
white sleet
Moreso the thing that keeps happening where people see a puzzle boss arena and d...
see the secret is it didnt feel like a puzzle arena at all
beyond "he's weak to being dunked in lava, leave the caster on the wheel!"
safe jungle
I mean I beat the arena using puzzle method first
But then I thought
“Wait I can do this without a puzzle by using hammers”
charred niche
I had a monk and Karlach with a Warhammer, kind of didn't realize the Puzzle Route was an option my first time
silk dune
I do find it strange how they suggest that stoutheart halflings are perhaps part...
halflings have some of the weirdest origins depending on the edition
Because they can't just call them hobbits (they're just hobbits)
so I think in the first editions they're called that because theyre half the size of a man
But in later ones they're half man half never elaborated on
Some sort of human relatives
simple spire
me: Oh I got an achievement, probably because that boss is really hard!
Steam: ...
I got that one too, I didn't even realize you could use the forge hammer
soft tundra
see the secret is it didnt feel like a puzzle arena at all
I don't get that, sorry 😭 everything about grym screams puzzle
All the highlights in the arena, all the notes, etc
austere hinge
But in later ones they're half man half never elaborated on
I do love the idea that there's some great horrible eldritch reason why halflings are there, even if they're a weird countermeasure to it or something. Just no one bothered to find that out.
winged vapor
Okay, I need like, a basic action to take on my lore bard. I’m most support and control stuff but when my concentration is up I’m not sure what I can use that isn’t just cutting words
sly flare
Eldritch blasts maybe
rich plover
I've been having fun chucking stuff. Grease bottles are like a discount grease spell at low levels
austere hinge
Right now I just have a bow to twang at people, specially the bow that has a chance of giving me a spell back
winged vapor
Oh that’s cool
Which is that
Oh new question anyone know what are the secondary effects for glyph of warding ?
austere hinge
Shortbow you can buy in the druid area from the druids
austere hinge
But I think you need a critical to get the spell slot back so its not reliable. Better for an arcane trickster
But any advantage is a good one
No idea about glyph or warding though
austere hinge
Which is that
I gave a look and I realized that Spellthief is a longbow, which I'm not sure as a lore bard I can use. If yours is an elf you may be proficient with it but I may have been using the Spellthief longbow and utterly messing up because I'm not proficient with it and never noticed. But yes. Longbow called Spellthief is the one I was mentioning.
rich plover
bards get shortbows and light crossbows (simple weapons) and hand crossbows (inexplicable), but not longbows.
austere hinge
Yeah
Elves get longbows
So I think I've been awkwardly pinging into fights with a longbow without realizing
With no proficiency
soft tundra
a pro tip with bows in bg3: if they give bonuses/resistances/etc, those work when they arent your main hand weapon
austere hinge
Neat
soft tundra
it makes bows with stuff like "grant fire resistance" a lot better, esp for your melees
austere hinge
I need to find my halfling bard a nice ranged weapon they can actually use
a shame slings aren't in the game
wise mango
I need to find my halfling bard a nice ranged weapon they can actually use
Hand crossbow
I don't know what it is, but seeing a small person, whip out a small crossbow and just dome a random person across the map will never not be comical to me
it's why my first character was a halfling fighter who just pulled up on her ops with a crossbow and a dream
austere hinge
Honestly I'm tempted to get a proper hand crossbow and put the boots of sparks on them so I could do mobile shots and dash to get lightning charges then hit with a handcrossbow and some real nasty damage
severe robin
Question: Is it possible to dismiss the character of someone who joined a previous multiplayer session?
rich plover
Yeah. Talk to them as your main character, in camp, and you can literally shove them in a wardrobe
And you can drag and drop them out if you want them back
severe robin
I can't talk to them?
Maybe it's because...
Oookay now I can
Although I discovered a new, horrible problem
Apparently my friends game is violently flashing bright red when he was trying to listen in on my durge scene?
Like, I have a screenshot and it is not right
rich plover
"yeah, this my OC. They're named 0xFF0000 and they're a square."
severe robin
Damn
We just [HEAVY Act Three Spoilers] ||Killed Ansur without him getting a turn, only for the cutscene with Empy Boy to be forcefully ended because a Planar Binding wore off making one of the myrmidons attack us||
Monks are fucking cracked
austere hinge
I wonder if it might be worth it as a bard to get a feat that lets you use martial weapons. Because long bows good and being able to regularly hit isn't bad... But also should just make the spells better and zap people in the face.
austere hinge
True, though Spellthief is a great bow for a spellcaster. I suppose it drops off though since it only gets first level spell slots back.
Hopefully I will find a decent shortbow or hand crossbow or something for when I want to ping folk
I know at level... 6 I think? not sure, but lore bards also get magical secret spell, and you can get the cleric spell Spiritual weapon, which is level 2 and not concentration while being an incredibly strong weapon you can use your spell attack to swing with
deft crypt
lore bards get magical secrets at 6 and everyone else gets it at ten i believe
in this house we a college of swords battlemaster fighter multiclass
winged vapor
I don’t know lore bard is pretty cracked lol
soft tundra
I wonder if it might be worth it as a bard to get a feat that lets you use marti...
If it helps, there are some items you can get that give you longbow/longsword proficiency respectively, later into Act 1 / early Act 2
wise mango
We just [HEAVY Act Three Spoilers] ||Killed Ansur without him getting a turn, on...
Act 3 Honour Mode Spoilers ||Damn... Wish my fight was that easy, instead I nuked him, he turned on godmode hit my whole party for 18d10 lightning damage and when we die kill him turn 2, he revealed his second health bar and hit us for another 18d10 lightning damage, thank fuck for Half Orc's being busted at not dying||
||Literally the ring of regen from SS saved my whole honour run, cause we basically didn't get a turn to act between him charging and him using his bullshit special attack and so he instantly wiped the whole party, my Durge got back up because she was a half orc then healed from the ring and took lightning damage from the electrictuted water she was standing on... Ended that fight on basically 1hp||
severe robin
Hooray!
We successfully saved the [Act Three Spoilers] ||Ffffffucking Gondians||
Also I found something kinda weird
So, [Heavy Act Three Wyll spoilers] ||Wyll refused the deal from the sisters, and rescued Ravengard anyways, but He still says Wyll sold his soul to free him||
safe jungle
Lmao
I didn’t know that Drow tav can, ||after poisoning the goblins in act 1, admit it to their face when they accuse you and tell them they should be previleged that Tav didn’t gut them instead. It actually works in making them stand down||
Drows are just built different
storm sinew
... You can do that to them? ||The poison, I mean.||
safe jungle
Yeah
At their party ||you can pour poison into their beer keg||
And then cal everyone in for a toast
Also how old is baldur’s gate?
How did Balduran ||live this long while presumably being human until recently||
gaunt jackal
||Baldurian has been a mind flayer for ages, what leads you to believe the contrary?||
safe jungle
Oh I see
I thought he ||got turned fairly recently while investigating the Absolutr||
winged vapor
Really fun team build, a bunch of summons, staff of blessing that doubles the bless bonus and the ring that adds bless for two rounds when you heal. Finally the gloves that give resistance to physical damage on heal
All works in act 1
Super fun
clear kestrel
Feeling #blessed
winged vapor
Nice lol
Need to check if warden of vitality and aid work on undead and if they trigger these items
If yes, hot damn
winged vapor
So I’m playing on ps5 and a new patch it out today. Electrified water now seems to be different. You should see what happens now lol
severe robin
Hm
Starting a new playthrough because...
Gonna be a Paladin
I'm stuck between Human, or Half-Elf for Green Flame Blade
(I have mods)
Prolly gonna be a polearm fighter
Nah let's go Human
wise mango
Humans are pretty fun
severe robin
Oh also this playthrough's on Tactician
wise mango
which feels odd to say, as a human myself
wise mango
oh, good luck
severe robin
Do I go Folk Hero or Urchin?
wise mango
my one tip would be to collect all the food you can
severe robin
I was already doing that lol
wise mango
doubling the long rest supply req is big
safe jungle
Epilogue spoilers || https://youtu.be/9brGcNj5yN8?si=oqr0iHr5l02JjoRO wow Karlach as a mindflayer sounds so… uncharacteristically calm six months later||
neon junco
||I felt bad mindflaying Karlach, it definitely doesn't feel right with Emperor encouraging it afterwards||
austere hinge
white sleet
Epilogue spoilers || https://youtu.be/9brGcNj5yN8?si=oqr0iHr5l02JjoRO wow Karlac...
||this feels so much like a different character. it's sad, to me||
austere hinge
austere hinge
Also I've met Karlach now and that went over surprisingly smoothly considering I had Wyll in my party
But psychic space worms in the brain will do that to you
austere hinge
Time for what?
wise mango
Karlach is a very good person
she is so good in fact, that she will not stand for you being a bad person
storm sinew
Arguably an evil run would just be like "Hey, Wyll, there's that devil you were gonna kill, let's get her"
austere hinge
I really should swap asterian out for karlach
wise mango
yeah I didn't do that, I let her join my camp
austere hinge
Since I try to be a good person
wise mango
now she can witness as we burn the grove to the ground
sly flare
I really should swap asterian out for karlach
Asterian is the only person who can get rid of traps effictively it's so fucked up
wise mango
do you not have lesser restoration/lay on hands?
austere hinge
Not yet
wise mango
I see
but yeah, Astarion is amazing as a ranged martial because of how Happy and Archery shatter bounded accuracy
sly flare
Barbarian is good
wise mango
Lae'zel?
austere hinge
I'm trying to flirt with her I will only accept compliments
wise mango
... You have more patience and mental fortitude than I
gaunt jackal
Lae'zel is the brainwashed victim of a fascist society
austere hinge
I can fix her
gaunt jackal
It's not even fixing her, its deprogramming her basically
It's honestly The Right Thing To Do
austere hinge
I am a little halfling lad and I will fix her.
wise mango
it is the right thing to do
however, none of my characters are therapists
and all of them have better/more pressing things to do (like save BG and remove brain worms)
austere hinge
I have no idea how well I'm going to pull this off but I will do my best
wise mango
I believe in you
deft crypt
bards rule
austere hinge
Little halfling bard trying to fix the facism.
She doesn't mind buying the artist but not a fan of giving him 200 gold to get on with
wise mango
you don't have to give him money
it's walking, it won't kill you, it probably won't kill him
austere hinge
No i know I'm just doing the right thing
sly flare
Just take a walk through a place where a bunch of people get kidnapped and killed?
wise mango
and the extra gold will help that how?
sly flare
Pay them off, pay for guards, throw the money behind you as you run away
put it in a sock and beat your foes
austere hinge
But yeah just trying to help out a moron. I got him for the reduced price anyway.
wise mango
you walk through several dead caravans, complete with dead guards and dead caravaners to get to him
I think that if he gets attacked, he's kinda buggered anyway
sly flare
I just told the people who bought him I'd fucking kill them
And then they gave him to me, I sent on his way
then I killed them for being slavers
austere hinge
It was tempting but I wanted to see what interacting with them will do
Fuck around and try new things
sly flare
I greatly enjoy solving a problem with trickery, then just killing my enemies anyway
wise mango
I am a simple girl
I hit the problem really fucking hard
and if that didn't work, I go back and talk to the problem
then I hit it really fucking hard
sly flare
Hit thing with big stick is highly effective when trickery fails or succeeds
austere hinge
I'm wondering how stuff will progress. I now have a mystery chest being delivered to a wizard or something because I've helped the delivery go through rather than opening it myself. Which may be stupid.
austere hinge
I've seen multiple things of "don't open this chest" and it is very tempting to do so but I have not and am getting it delivered properly
sly flare
I opened it
austere hinge
No spoilers pls
sly flare
Who knows what consiquences this will have for my life
austere hinge
I'm looking forward to my own terrible consequences
wise mango
I'm looking forward to hearing about it
austere hinge
I love doing that in games honestly. Giving people a choice on whether to do something that will change something small but interesting one way or another.
Still tempted to kill those folk for being slavers but also they might have cool shit to trade
storm sinew
I watched Jesse Cox play through BG3 and it was delightful, but he did the "I'm going to let nere just die" thing because he took too many long rests by mistake
and he wound up being unable to free the gnomes
wise mango
you know
I've yet to save those Gnomes
the fight was just too much of a bother, even if it was very doable
storm sinew
I've saved them every time
wise mango
except in Honour Mode, HM Nere can fuck off back into the lava I shoved him in
wise mango
I wanted to, however, I don't think I can win against Nere, the Absolute cult AND the slavers all at once
especially because they just throw me into lava
gaunt jackal
That fight is extremely hard unless ||you broker a deal with the Duergar Elder in the very back left of the room - then most of the Duergar you fight becomes allies for the battle instead, and you can just kill them after if you want||
austere hinge
Gnomes? Uhhh... guessing that's spoilers for later in the game?
clear kestrel
It's in ||the underdark|| in act ||1 ||
storm sinew
It's in act 1 yeah
austere hinge
Oh okay! Will have to have laezel salami people to death later no doubt
I did free the sverfneblin from the windmill though
storm sinew
TIL that Karlach has dialogue for if you ||approach her AFTER destroying the grove.||
winged vapor
Generally you can just swap characters depending on if it’s their quest you’re on
wise mango
TIL that Karlach has dialogue for if you ||approach her AFTER destroying the gro...
not just doing that but also ||Fighting the druids||
wise mango
I have encountered a small problem with my evil run
I... I really like a lot of these characters
and I don't enjoy ||slaughtering innocent civilians in a fight where everyone is unarmed and permanently frightened ||
just let me be cartoonishly evil damn it
soft tundra
Thats the hardest evil choice to make
clear kestrel
You can ||get them to fight each other||
simple spire
Personally I appreciate it when a game treats evil as actually evil
Like when you sign up to help Minthara slaughter the grove, yeah, that involves the grove getting slaughtered
Evil isn't wearing a black-and-red cape and making smug declarations of villainy
deft crypt
ok but they could also have given that option too
frigid oxide
That's what Astarion is for
Meanwhile my orc berserker assassin is out here saving kittens and puppies
If I ever make this guy a proper DND character I'm going to continue trying to Persuasion my way into getting people to stand down like I do in bg3 but imply it's because of the whole "if we roll initiative I cannot promise what will happen to you" vibe
simple spire
I mean I agree that the game needs more and better capes
But I don't think it's reasonable to expect a CRPG to double up every "I will send this kitten to college for love and justice" dialogue choice with an equivalent "I will send this kitten to college for evil and villainy (do not interrogate this proposition)" statement
Except maybe Tyranny but that was a central thing in Tyranny
severe robin
Ah, we were talking about [Act 1 Underdark spoilers] ||saving the gnomes?||
I found the trick to that being ||starting at the bottom, kill all the duegar before freeing Nere||
soft tundra
After doing all the origina ive found the surefire way is to || make a deal with the duergar to kill nere, free nere, side / duergar, then convince the duergar to leave the gnomes behind.|| It Just Works and gives you all the noteworthy items
simple spire
After doing that you can ||antagonize the remaining duergar by picking up some items marked as theirs, if you want some extra XP||
sly flare
||Killing the Druegar is pretty easy, you can kill them in small groups||
wind tendon
did we play the same game where the good route is killing goblin children?
lmao
a deed that literally no character comments on
silk dune
you can and should romance mind flayers is funny considering how explicit the game is they do not have souls and ||the only romance option for them is a man manipulating you with sex||
||and the good ending involves killing literally every mind flayer||
austere hinge
did we play the same game where the good route is killing goblin children?
I will say I haven't played that far yet
I do find it a bit odd how little I can actually converse with goblins when I meet them
safe jungle
You should kill goblins because they are goblins, not because they are evil—me, a durge
austere hinge
I'm fairly sure they're all about killing anything for any reason
safe jungle
Yeah but goblins are very numerous in number and easy to kill
They thus please Bhall greatly
sly flare
I wish I could help the Goblins
Like fix the problems which lead to them becoming raiders and falling for the absoulete, instead of having to kill them all
Also really weird you have to kill kids to free the big druid
simple spire
However, Halsin absolutely will kill them, which even you don't have the ability to comment on
bleak wagon
did we play the same game where the good route is killing goblin children?
Oh, are there Goblin children in the encampment? I missed that 😅
I did notice you are likely to kill a bunch of kids in the creche
Divinity Original Sin 2 was also pretty "biological" determinism on the evilness
neon junco
Yea demons are always evil in dos2
Elves and dwarves and lizards are planet of the hats
bleak wagon
The elves were leaning into the default evilness. Especially with the trees spirit, leader things
austere hinge
Which is a shame because they had a really cool enemy to use with the gnolls being... well, rather twisted, more so than goblins. Goblins you have to suggest is an evil race, Gnolls are at least fucked up because of the demonic influence
neon junco
The elves were leaning into the default evilness. Especially with the trees spir...
If I had a nickel for every time in a setting elves were the dominant race that lorded over everyone then their empire fell and now they're second class citizens I'd have 3 nickels
Witcher, divinity
Damn I forgot the 3rd one
Dragon age that was it
winged vapor
Warhammer
neon junco
4 nickels
winged vapor
It kinda makes sense as a symbol that all empires fall so I don’t hate it
neon junco
Oh the second part of that is humanity is now the empire and it's just right cause they were oppressed and now it's their turn to be the oppressor 
bleak wagon
Well, I would not call Eldar second class citizens in 40k
Oh, I know less about fantasy but I'm also under the same impression
sly flare
Aelves in fantasy arent doing that bad, and are pretty far away from Humans
I think at some point they used to be bigger but now they just live on Doughnut Britain
winged vapor
I think in the Witcher it’s more like humanity sucked really hard and destroyed the peaceful empire
But yeah
clear kestrel
Oh, are there Goblin children in the encampment? I missed that 😅
I did notice...
Tbf you can get out the creche mostly kill free if you take the side exit
neon junco
Do you even have to visit the creche?
clear kestrel
You don't
clear kestrel
The elves were leaning into the default evilness. Especially with the trees spir...
I dunno if that was innate evil. I just think the trees were tyrants. But that doesn't mean they all had to be. What's real whacky with divinity is that gnomes control the universe
deft crypt
twimps
neon junco
Sad we had to kill imp god in dos2
I think, I don't remember I just assumed they were all there
neon junco
No I believe all the gods turn on you
I just don't remember if the orc or imp god was there during that fight or not
silk dune
Oh the second part of that is humanity is now the empire and it's just right cau...
hey at least in Warhammer it's explicit that any empire is evil except for the enlightened fish people mecha
bleak wagon
hey at least in Warhammer it's explicit that any empire is evil except for the e...
*holds hand up to earpiece* I am just receiving word now that the enlightened fish people mecha are also evil
storm sinew
okay this may be
the single funniest piece of Baldur's Gate content I have ever watched
wise mango
it is a little bit humorous
frigid oxide
That (tilescard? preview? the still on the video) repulses me
frigid oxide
Yeah I can see the appeal after clicking it
silk dune
That (tilescard? preview? the still on the video) repulses me
Charlie is an actual long-term like 6+ years player in just roll with it and a few other actual DND podcasts so I can confirm he is actually funny and up to the challenge
storm sinew
The animations he has in the videos are also fantastic
Pure memes all the way through but well done
dawn terrace
severe robin
lmfao
austere hinge
I gave him a frumpy hat
rich plover
I didn't like the bard starting armor so I made him swap with me
safe jungle
Githyanki unique dialogues are pretty hilarious
When Astarion asks you to describe him you start going off a list of his physical characteristics
“Elven. Vampire spawn. White hair. Approximately five foot eleven…”
When he asks you for a compliment directly you can say “despite neither being brave nor intelligent you are one of the most effective killers I know.”
charred niche
I always wanna try a Gith character but it would make me feel sort of character breaking to do sidequests or somethin
soft tundra
Nah it fits in well
dawn terrace
Yeah many sidequests are,easily justified by saying "I know time is of the essence but every edge or potential cure is useful and worth investigation."
storm sinew
Man, a Drow Warlock has so many unique actions and dialogues
Lolth-Sworn Drow Warlock with the eldritch god patron
basing her off of my LARP character
winged vapor
What’s your favourite sneaky build ?
gaunt jackal
Duergar Ranger
winged vapor
Oh that’s a cool idea
Do you multiclass?
I tried ranger to higher level and it wasn’t too fun
winged vapor
Okay, I’ll toy around with it. I’m trying to avoid the cheese with swords bard and rogue
But it’s a strong siren call
gaunt jackal
Fun fact: Duergar invis is permanent until disrupted
winged vapor
Awesome
gaunt jackal
And it has 0 cooldown out of combat
winged vapor
Just awesome
gaunt jackal
You can pull some really gross stuff with it
gaunt jackal
I'd probably do xbow + dex weapon/shield
winged vapor
Gloom stalker right ?
gaunt jackal
Gloom stalker right ?
yeah, Gloom is really good imo
deft crypt
elaborate on swords bard and rogue cheese
winged vapor
So, swords bard, the ranged version of their flourish can target the same person twice, plus an item you get from the dark urge run turns you invisible on kill, so you can get like 5 attacks each round plus bonus action hide
deft crypt
interesting