#Delta Green

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cosmic spindle
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I also hadn’t realized how long running it was, pretty impressive

plucky saffron
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Oh yeah, they’re great fun. Very true to table as well

queen tinsel
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@acoustic forge @weary raft @cosmic spindle @coral pumice notes today

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Map of reality

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Guy who is definitely normal: so have you seen it

void sparrow
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I should read The King in Yellow again.

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Btw, where has that stuff been expanded upon? I ask because the original book taught me so much about the war of 1871 and the dating lives of Parisian artists-in-training but precious little about His Court.

queen tinsel
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You just need to read closely

void sparrow
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…

queen tinsel
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Every prior story to the Paris stuff is interconnected in subtle ways

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they reveal the existence of the king in impossibilities of co-existence

void sparrow
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I can tell you‘re deep inside the rabbit hole.

queen tinsel
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most of what comes after is conjecture and speculation based on those stories

queen tinsel
void sparrow
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Huh

queen tinsel
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So I've read the original like 10 times

void sparrow
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Fascinating. With your permission, I‘ll inundate you with questions at a later date.

queen tinsel
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We had been speaking for some time in a dull monotonous strain before I realized that we were discussing “The King in Yellow.” Oh the sin of writing such words,—words which are clear as crystal, limpid and musical as bubbling springs, words which sparkle and glow like the poisoned diamonds of the Medicis! Oh the wickedness, the hopeless damnation of a soul who could fascinate and paralyze human creatures with such words,—words understood by the ignorant and wise alike, words which are more precious than jewels, more soothing than music, more awful than death!

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The yellow sign is the most explicit about it

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Since it narrates the consumption by the king

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But the process as described in the original text is like a virus of the mind and art

cosmic spindle
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Arc Dream actually offers and annotated copy of The King in Yellow that apparently tries to point out all the interconnectedness and historical references, though I haven’t read it myself

queen tinsel
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The sign and the play prime you and cause you to speak at length of the king and his works. As you speak you realise that everything you consider to be real is a fabrication by the play.
At that point you cease to exist as a person and are nothing more than a pawn of the king. Your body physically dies and you are a character used by the king. You do nothing but act on his whims for some unseen grand purpose
When he is done with you in the play you are released and instantly die with all the time he has given you catching up to you

cosmic spindle
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They also have a KiY tarot deck, which has the sales quotes:
“Disturbing.” “Gloomy.” “I don’t think I will be giving readings with it again.” Coreopsis Journal of Myth & Theatre review "Antithetical to the spirit of a deck used for readings." Designer's notes.

queen tinsel
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For the unlucky few he is never done with you

queen tinsel
cosmic spindle
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I’d like to get it

queen tinsel
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I would too

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I ha the deck of hours

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Combining them to create the tarot that poisons your mind and soul

queen tinsel
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its the fact that you! Yes, You! Are a part of this play and have been given a role to play in it. It's the idea that you're not just experiencing existential dread but the understanding that you have been playing a role and every action in your life has been part of these whims. It's that you are Important

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More horrifying than being nothing in a simulation is being Something in a simulation and piece of art

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Imagine being an ant in an experiment who is one day told by a voice about this and given instructions on what to do. Your actions clearly change things but you have no concept of what the goal of these changes is or what the voice wants. It just tells you what to do and the outcome. And when you do those things. The outcome occurs

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You understand you exist in an experiment but have no idea what the aim of the experiment is, or what your actions change about its results and premises

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You just know that you are told what to do and that you are a part of the voices plan

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One day the experiment concludes. They take you and put you in a new experiment, which is nothing like the old one. The plan continues

void sparrow
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Thinking about animals at the mercy of humans elucidates Lovecraftian horror pretzy well, in general.

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I like your explanation.

queen tinsel
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because there's no clear purpose

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it simply is

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The cult of cthulu want to destroy the game because they've been promised power and status in the game that comes next if they do this

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The cult of the king in yellow seemingly only wish to make subtle changes and ploys within the game of no obvious pattern

void sparrow
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What if we just can’t tell whether there‘s a purpose? Consider the experience of a cat brought to the vet to be treated. How could they know what purpose this serves, if any?

void sparrow
queen tinsel
void sparrow
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Sometimes, I feel like one shouldn‘t get too deep into these stories, for fear of believing them one day.

queen tinsel
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The best bet is that the purpose is to perpetuate the king in yellow

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He subverts the game and steals it

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He doesn't destroy it or kill everyone

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People die at his hands not because he likes killing or sacrifice but because he has finished needing them for the project

void sparrow
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What can I read to learn more about the secret dynasty of America?

queen tinsel
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Repairer of reputation

void sparrow
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Of course

wild tapir
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When that seems to be entirely the point. It's a prop to represent something from an alien universe, it's not meant to be intelligible unless you impose your own necessarily subjective interpretation onto it

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Like why is "Justice" cradling a handful of what appear to be blue slugs? What meaning does that contain? Only the mad may know

wild tapir
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This discussion about the nature of existential fear in a Lovecraftian world has got me thinking about my own campaign, which I realize can be sort of summed up (philosophically at least) in two quotes from Conan in Queen of the Black Coast. On the one hand "I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content." But on the other hand "I choked my ire and held my peace, and the judge squalled that I had shown contempt for the court, and that I should be hurled into a dungeon to rot until I betrayed my friend. So then, seeing they were all mad, I drew my sword and cleft the judge's skull; then I cut my way out of the court"

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And thus the problem of the dedicated Mythos exterminator-type is illustrated

plucky saffron
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I've still been dimly thinking about Dreamlands stuff from a slightly similar-ish perspective as what's going on with the King in Yellow

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a loose idea that like, going to the Dreamlands (as a dreamer anyway) is a generally... "rich" experience, I guess? It can be dangerous, but it's adventurous and unique and full of life

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And most of the time that's fine, because it seems like/is a dream. When you think those dreams are just dreams, nothing changes

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but once you know it's another reality, then it takes a bit of a different tone

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I'm struggling to express the idea exactly. Sort of an idea that the Dreamlands are more real than real, and that visiting them knowing they're an actual place (in at least some sense) reconnects you with your humanity a bit in the same way that going out and being in nature does/can

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and then having to deal with being ripped back from that and sitting in front of a computer all day

void sparrow
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May I suggest Jean Baudrillard‘s Simulacra and Simulation as a piece of light reading?

wild tapir
plucky saffron
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refer to that one monologue from the Sopranos about not being able to deal with normalcy

wild tapir
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Addiction to the Dreamlands is clearly such a problem that every single one of the dreamers in Dreamquest seem to suffer from it, or to have previously

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This can only be more of a problem when you find out that the world of enchantment where you're a swashbuckling hero and king is demonstrably materially real somehow

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Meeting a Ghoul in both places or somesuch

plucky saffron
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Meeting a ghoul in the Dreamlands is no sweat I think because like

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Either you think it’s a dream (scary but carries no lasting implications) or you know that it’s real but only for a sort of alternate version of you (kinda the same thing as above)

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It’s gotta be you, not your dream-self

wild tapir
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No I mean, meeting the same ghoul in both places. Or, rather, meeting someone who you knew in reality as a ghoul in the Dreamlands, ala Pickman

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Such that you have verifiable proof of the physical reality of the dreamlands, and even that it exists in the same continuum with your regular reality somehow

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I've always wanted to run a Delta Green op where the paranormal element is that some small town is in a place that's very soft and overlapping with the Dreamlands, such that you have zoogs rustling about in bins and the local mountain is one of those peaks where the gods dance under the aurora

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But I've never been able to make that feel satisfying as something for agents to confront

sudden igloo
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The dreamlands are very cool, though I only have a surface level understanding of it. There's a guy in the Cult of Transcendence (I think?) who's a decript old man in the real world, but a spectre of death in the dreamlands and is constantly trying to find a way to escape there permenantly as that version of himself

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I like the idea of Delta Green shutting down a way to escape the doomed world they live in out of pure hatred of the mythos. Turns out, you can live in this more vibrant, more real version of reality, escape from earthly mortality. Isn't that what you want, Agent? Aren't you tired of fighting a lost cause? Join us in Leng, join us and dream peacefully

plucky saffron
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I mean the other half of the equation is that we impact the Dreamlands, right

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that’s why Sarnath and Lomar are there

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One imagines that the prevalence of bad TV (among other things) could have an impact

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(this concept fully stolen from Caleb Stokes; some of his Patreon stuff is about this and I’m a huge fan)

cosmic spindle
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Aw man, now I heard that Caleb Stokes had played around with an idea for a smoke-jumper focused scenario, which just in and of itself sounds like a neat idea, though sounds like he didn’t do much with it?

plucky saffron
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I wouldn’t even know what that is I fear

queen tinsel
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Tfw the agents use the satellite phone with implicit trust and follow its directives

cosmic spindle
plucky saffron
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ah, okay, parachuting firefighter types

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gotcha

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also is that Labor of Dogs thing his? if so I might open it up

cosmic spindle
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Oh sorry didn’t realize you were asking about smoke jumpers!

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Real hardcore daredevil shit that has unfortunately high casualties

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And hilariously in Sebastian Junger’s book Fire, he mentions how they get the absurd pay scale thing of for the specific time they are in the air falling they get extra bonus pay

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So like, they get an extra bonus pay scale for like two minutes and then it’s back to normal hazard pay

plucky saffron
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lmao

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but yeah no I could imagine that'd be tricky to write a good scenario about

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passable, sure, but one with ~themes~? questionable

cosmic spindle
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I’d very much recommend Sebastian Junger’s stuff by the way, excellent writer and he covers very interesting stuff

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I think it was one of those things where he just went down a rabbithole and then thought “damn wouldn’t it be crazy if there was also fire monsters in a cursed woods that’s also undergoing a wildfire?”

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Lemme grab the section it’s in, he did have a funny joke about exactly why it would have been hard to work into a campaign like God’s Teeth

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Also, it’s so so funny how he wanted to call it “The Teeth of God” but Ross goofed the episode title and it just stuck but he grumbles about it some

plucky saffron
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in fairness I think God's Teeth is a better title

cosmic spindle
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Oh it absolutely is

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Spoilers for the RPPR God’s Teeth campaign around the bit I’m linking, as should be obvious from the title
https://youtu.be/XYDA9fX4XXw?t=6289

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RPPR Episode 133: God’s Teeth Campaign Post Mortem | Role Playing...

Caleb’s Delta Green campaign, God’s Teeth, has been concluded but there’s still a lot to talk about. From the opening raid on the orphanage to Working Group Masticate’s last scene, we discuss what worked in the game and what didn’t. How did the new rules for Delta Green, like bonds and crippling injuries affect the campaign? Caleb also...

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Hope that timecode link works lol

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Also man do I love Caleb’s GMing, he has a really great energy and also has a really dry sense of humor and joy in the “oh boy you’re in for it now” alongside doing people losing their shit really well

cosmic spindle
plucky saffron
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nod

honest sky
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Fire mentioned

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GOOD ass book imho

queen tinsel
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good or bad sign when my players see the yellow signs i posted up irl and they say "she could have printed hundreds of these"

sudden igloo
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Gently ask where else they have seen them

void sparrow
cosmic spindle
queen tinsel
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I'm going to make a cloak out of the extras

cosmic spindle
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Nah, make a ||Barbas Shirt||

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Just be crinkling the whole time waiting for a player to ask what the fuck is up

steel seal
queen tinsel
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I'm gonna barb myself

void sparrow
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Order a t-shirt with the sign on it. Less interesting than the other suggestions, but more permanent.

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If yellow wasn‘t such an ill-fitting colour, I‘d get a tattoo of it.

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But it should work well on a black t-shirt.

winged blade
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it doesnt always appear in yellow, despite being called the yellow sign(hell, i think most of its appearances in IL are in black?)

queen tinsel
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It has to be deranged in a way that could only make sense to someone trying to think of ways to spread it

void sparrow
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Stickers with a QR code and false advertising?

cosmic spindle
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Sudden idea that I don’t know if it’s shit or not but it’s in my head now as a shotgun scenario concept maybe: Sovereign Citizen guy who’s specific brand of a belief is that he is the King of America based on his exposure to the yellow sign

void sparrow
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I like it.

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Sometimes, I‘m tempted to take fiction too seriously, do like May, and spread stickers with the yellow sign all over town. As if it were real.

coral pumice
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^ encounter group confession

wheat flame
queen tinsel
void sparrow
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I‘ve finally run some DG! Well, I ran Extremophilia by way of Liminal Horror. :P

One of two PCs was part of DG, the other one a regular EPA agent. This caused some friction when the DG agent murdered a cop – in fact, they shot him again while the real EPA agent was providing first aid. This was right after ||they had been to the green box||. You see, before they entered, they rolled poorly and lost their grip on a body. It hit a tree and kinda came out of its bag. An old lady saw, and was not convinced by "We are the feds. We‘re taking care of this."

I struggled quite a bit to provide leads to finding the originator of the problem (I‘ll be vague bc I‘m too lazy to spoiler-tag everything. They did not want to visit ||the widow||, out of caution. When they visited the ||coroner at the hospital, I made the mistake of only having them talk to the doctor. They didn‘t see the ill coroner, still barely alive.|| So it was hard for them to untavel things, and the PC not part of DG didn‘t really get in touch with the unnatural. What’s more, they both succeeded at almost all sanity rolls.

When they were on their way to ||the green box||, I sent ||Benthic‘s security|| after them, but they managed to shake them.

Very slow session but still a lot of fun. I‘m complaining but it was a wonderful afternoon.

plucky saffron
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wahoo! and yeah, there's no accounting for what PCs are going to do lmao

cosmic spindle
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I’ll say it isn’t super recommended to have a split party like that, it’s generally best if either everyone is in or out of DG because it can lead to difficulties in players knowing how to play stuff and also oddities in how you’re now needing to hide stuff from one player or they need to suddenly be on board with the stuff even though they’re just Some Guy who just saw their coworker commit five felonies

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Like it’s possible to do that, but it’s a lot for new players or GMs to manage

void sparrow
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I‘ve noticed. :>

cosmic spindle
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Sharing this because a friend of mine pointed it out and now it’s stuck in my head, and much like the yellow sign I am compelled to share it: If any of you have seen the most recent Red Letter Media Best of the Worst episode, my friend joked that the third movie they watched for that episode may have been made by the King in Yellow since it is utterly incomprehensible and madness inducing to try and understand (to the point a host makes an extended and not-unwarranted analogy to Flatland), is made by a guy who has been trying to repeatedly create his piece of incomprehensible art for decades, and he also really, really likes wearing yellow

coral pumice
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what movie?

queen tinsel
acoustic forge
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I am forced to assume this is the episode

cosmic spindle
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Yep

void sparrow
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Every time I listen to this song, I have to think of Wormwood Arena and the … human harmonics(?) cult. I really want to run that.

https://youtu.be/hvZxPWmnqeo

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Do you wanna start a cult with me?
I’m not vibrating like I oughta be
I need a purpose, I can't keep surfing
Through this existential misery
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void sparrow
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I‘m sorry if this is just spam but I‘m sure the idea could be integrated into that astronaut scenario.

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Ot also vaguely reminds me of Hellboy: The Conqueror Worm, where ||a nazi space program sends a guy into orbit, where his dead body is possessed by ghostly, primordial jellyfish. Upon the capsule‘s return to earth, an all-consuming worm-thing emerges. But you get what I‘m getting at.||

cosmic spindle
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When running DG for people for the first time, do y’all have a recommendation or preference for if they should make their characters or use pre-gens? On the one hand pre-gens get people into the action faster, but on the other people can be more invested by playing as someone they’re kinda already invested in by the process of making them

coral pumice
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they can make characters if they want but first time characters gotta all be pretty traditional

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nothing funky

queen tinsel
wild tapir
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Once people know what to expect, to some degree, they can make characters more informed about what works and what doesn't and how I run the game/the game plays

plucky saffron
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I usually use pregens since it’s quicker, yeah

sudden igloo
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I'm reading through Targets of Opportunity section on the Cult of Transcendence (mostly triggered by thinking The Innocent is a really cool concept) and it's got my thinking, modern DG seems to have moved away from these kind of conspiratorial, wide ranging cults and towards more spontaneous manifestations or groups brought through happenstance or mythos machinations.
First: do others folks see this as the case or is this recency bias talking?
Second, if this is an intentional choice: has it ever been discussed by the designers why they made this choice?

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Also it is a bit funny reading about the various cults and finding some of the fronts a bit quaint. Ohhh the brotherhood of potential smoke weed and have orgies? A real slippery slope towards human sacrifice (though they do mention these are to find people who conform to peer pressure, I guess if you talk a well educated point on marijuana legalisation you're not their target)

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Fun to think of what the cult would have as modern fronts though!

plucky saffron
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First answer; soooort of. Scenarios themselves tend to deal with isolated incidents of unnatural exposure, but Labyrinth notably includes at least one globe-spanning conspiracy in New Life Fertility. Arguably two, since The Lonely aren't really geographically constrained.

Second answer; they have talked about it a bit in scattered bits and places. The loose reasoning, as I remember it, is sort of a changing of the times. Targets of Opportunity was published in 2011, ten years after 9/11 really changed a lot of the surrounding context of Delta Green in a way that's tricky to articulate, especially as someone who wasn't meaningfully cognizant of what the word was like prior to that, lol.

cosmic spindle
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plucky saffron
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Funnily enough, somewhere in the course of these scattered comments about why all the old faces have gone the way of the dodo, they mentioned that part of why the Karotechia got the boot was because making all the bad guys tangentially related to Nazis felt "too 90s" or "too unserious" or some such, which. Lol. Lmao.

cosmic spindle
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I mean on the one hand it was then

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Also it’s a pretty great story hook to do a final raid on a ancient nazi necromancer’s compound in Brazil

sudden igloo
cosmic spindle
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cosmic spindle
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To the point that a big part of the investigation is trying to not cause a massive PR/legal fuckup due to the billions in tax dollars on the line and tons of eyes on the legalization

sudden igloo
cosmic spindle
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Caleb Stokes does good work, Juno and I are both fans of his stuff

sudden igloo
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Oh yeah, God's Teeth is a masterpiece

sudden igloo
# plucky saffron Funnily enough, somewhere in the course of these scattered comments about why al...

Not to get too much into real politics here, but as I understand it a lot of these modern nazis/alt-right freaks are grown out of the neo-con movement, rather than having connections to historical nazi groups. The Sowers are a pretty good realization of that kind of right-wing, but honestly it'd be a interesting thought of what a "modern" karotechia would look like...a bunch of 8chan trolls finding some old karotechia documents somewhere online?

cosmic spindle
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Shit, maybe

plucky saffron
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One of the Labyrinth scenario tie-ins deals with this, actually

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Arguably two of them

cosmic spindle
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Some RVTVRN guy stumbling on great granddad’s trunk of Evil Tomes

plucky saffron
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The Witness Alliance in Labyrinth touches briefly on the idea that some Neo-Volkist groups might stumble onto Tomes™ here or there

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Stokes dug into this a bit in a scenario that I think will be part of the aforementioned tie-ins

sudden igloo
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Neat!

queen tinsel
sudden igloo
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Oh awesome, bunch of groypers summoning Pepe (Nyarl) to destroy all chads and staceys

acoustic forge
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Are You H.O.T. Stuff? propaganda posters

queen tinsel
acoustic forge
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way worse tbh

queen tinsel
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theyre working for the king in yellow without being aware of it

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they believe that theyre RETVRNING

plucky saffron
queen tinsel
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they have futurist statues that they have animated and power lines with animated souls because thats BASED

acoustic forge
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groypers handed occultic gear with little to no understanding except the most instrumental, like, procedural knowledge of how to use it to round up and oppress brown people

cosmic spindle
queen tinsel
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they genuinely believe that they are doing this occult work to retvrn to the past and create a town that only could have existed in the past

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yeah ive read gods teeth

sudden igloo
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Oh yeah, that is already worse

queen tinsel
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also the town in the past is pretty miserable anyway

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its a coal mining town

plucky saffron
acoustic forge
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it sucks enough that there's a local sorcerer trading happy dreams and minor repairs to one's reputation for objects of sentimental value and lifelong aspirations

sudden igloo
queen tinsel
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getting FIRED

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and REPRIMANDED

acoustic forge
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honestly

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the town in the past sucks enough to have created The Collector from psychic torment echoing through the gate

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that's pretty bad

queen tinsel
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yeahhhhh

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the collector cometh

acoustic forge
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completely incidental problem that no one saw coming or planned for

queen tinsel
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the collector being an amalgamation of dolls and childrens toys and lost people and lost things that has nothing except the drive to gather up more lost things and stuff them into itself to continue growing which is like

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its an apolitical module

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with few metaphors or analogies

acoustic forge
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as most Delta Green writing is

plucky saffron
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I believe there's also a shout in the actual Handler's Guide that one of the CoT guys, Harmati, goes on to effectively leverage some of those assets into a neo-con group called Naya Prayasa or some such

queen tinsel
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the eternal villain of the world

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bob smith

acoustic forge
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it is I thought you went on hiatus to run Impossible Landscapes

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bob smith sucks

queen tinsel
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i did

acoustic forge
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we actually cooked creating bob he sucks so bad

queen tinsel
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im still finishing that IL campaign

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i love bob (as an exemplar)

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for context, bob smith is the cia guy i mentioned earlier

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he made an occult deal to change his name to be unmemorable and generic and for everyone to forget his past misdoings so he can work in DHS

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which is apolitical writing

sudden igloo
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Wonder what happend to the Innocent, maybe they just opened a portal somewhere and walked off

acoustic forge
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his actual name is Robert W. Smythe, or at least it was

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he also did the FUCK out of some war crimes

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not a joke, he was doing some heinous shit in the middle east and shook hands with Hastur to have everyone forget what kind of horrible murderous grindset he was on for the CIA back then

plucky saffron
sudden igloo
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Tbh reading his write up again I thought "this is a bit god's teeth coded"

void sparrow
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In technical is currently a discussion of the effects of ingesting batteries. This may be relevant to handlers running a specific scenario.

honest sky
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was looking for this a while back, can’t remember why, tripped over it while pulling up something unrelated (I had forgotten it was Arnold K., it’s always Arnold K.)

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written for CoC but pretty delta greenable imho and also just a quirked up post with the sauce

plucky saffron
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Oh damn

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Hell yeah

cosmic spindle
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I listened to The Rig on RPPR, did Glancy ever end up doing anything further with that scenario or is it just kinda unknown and presumably in one of dozens of draft folders?

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I was reminded of it by playing Still Wakes the Deep (which is pretty neat, if very linear and kinda short)

plucky saffron
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I don't know of anything being done with it, but I'd have to check to be sure of anything

queen tinsel
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Player of mine has realised the truth

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The FBI? The USA? Doesn't exist

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Shes a profound member of the bureau of internal investigations. Loyal detective in the kingdom of America. Heir to C. Haestign.

plucky saffron
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thought I'd just snip this and throw it in here

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notably, AND THE DARKNESS SPOKE has actually been in the works for quite a while

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first post is about it is from 2018

coral pumice
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broadalbin t shirt...

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I Went To The Whisper Labyrinth And All I Found Was This Stupid T-Shirt

cosmic spindle
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I definitely knew IL had stuff left out, but really exciting to hear there’s more possibly coming. And very much looking forward to see the stuff that’s colors to completion coming out soon

cosmic spindle
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I’m definitely interested in Falling Towers, OPINT, and Shotgun Scenarios (just because it’d be nice to have a bunch of short scenarios on hand)

void sparrow
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Will it feature 9/11 being an inside job?

sudden igloo
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I was thinking of picking it up at some point but if they're doing an expanded re-release I'll hold off

subtle jetty
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Expanded re-release with a new KiY tarot deck would be incredibly tempting

cosmic spindle
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Oh are you aware of the existing tarot deck?

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If not, there already is one

weary raft
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Falling Towers in New York huh?

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uhh

plucky saffron
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looking forward to seeing how Dennis paints Alzis hitting the griddy

frozen escarp
weary raft
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Oh that's a good one

wild tapir
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Does Delta Green every acknowledge the canonical status of At the Mountains of Madness?

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Because compared to Innsmouth and Call of Cthulhu that seems like a much harder thing to cover up long term

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Unless, of course, the whole Elder Thing plateau and the further mountains beyond are somehow one of those transient, illusory things

plucky saffron
wild tapir
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The Handlers Guide mentions it very sparsely, yeah, saying that the proto-DG organization suppressed all the publications after the initial reporting. It also mentions that the Nazi expeditions in the 40s never found the Elder Thing city either, but found a different ancient alien settlement

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So maybe there is something to the idea that the location of Mountains of Madness is less/more than material, at least some of the time

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A mountain range like that just seems like it would be hard to hide with all the satellites we have up now, and the Antarctica tourist trade

cosmic spindle
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Well, with the Elder Things back up and about they could have gotten up to Some Stuff

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And also iirc even in the original story the narrator is doubtful that anyone will believe him or publish his work

plucky saffron
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I'm pretty sure the HG mentions that the city has since disappeared

cosmic spindle
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Yeah it either is straight up gone or in some way hidden

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And I think the mountain range or uplift too???

plucky saffron
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this is from a preview of Operational History, says in plain text what happened

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cosmic spindle
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Ah so they really did just yoink it out of there and hide it simultaneously lol

plucky saffron
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mhm

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side note; things like this are kinda my main criticism of Operational History so far

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it really does kinda suck the mystique out of things a little bit, I think

cosmic spindle
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I would have to see some other stuff, since when I saw that they weren’t able to find the site again I just immediately thought “oh, so the Elder Things just yoinked it out of reality or something” and this just makes the obvious implication text

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But I could see how that could be more “aw, I liked the mystery” for something that was less clear

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Or more “oh I preferred my guess to an answer”

plucky saffron
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I mean I think the implication was always pretty clearly "the Elder Things shunted the city out of normal time and space", yeah, but laying out how they did it in a way that's accessible to humans (even when it's still kinda hypergeometric babbling nonsense) does take a bit away I think

cosmic spindle
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I personally think this example is fine, but I understand the worries about it for other stuff

plucky saffron
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there's a slight textural difference between "they did something and now it's gone" and "they did this specific series of replicable steps and shunted things away"

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it's a little more like... how to put it. removed from a sort of disjointed / incomplete human perspective imo

cosmic spindle
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No, I get what you’re saying

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I think it’ll depend how it all goes together, how much they give firm answers to and if they raise other weirdness alongside answers that is well done

plucky saffron
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nodnod

wild tapir
wild tapir
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Like the Elder Things might be people, more or less, but they're also impossibly intelligent alien people who have lifespans measured in hundreds of thousands of years

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Explaining that the Elder Things did a big ritual and it teleported Leng out of the world is one thing, but making it a spell that is genuinely possible for a player character to cast is another thing entirely

subtle jetty
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PC gets fed up and just shunts their metro area of choice into a pocket dimension

cosmic spindle
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Only a 100x100m section, and also potentially stroke out and lose all their POW if they’re unlucky

queen tinsel
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@weary raft @acoustic forge @cosmic spindle my fucking players went to interrogate sitri, discovered the bedroom, got attacked by the cherub, shot it, alerted the dea, panicked, decided to blow up her house and kidnap her to interrogate about kiy

acoustic forge
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oh yeah

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this is real Delta Green investigation prowess at work

queen tinsel
acoustic forge
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As you do.

queen tinsel
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they also gave her a concussion by accident so its not gonna go very well

queen tinsel
# acoustic forge As you do.

worst part is technically i think they did a decent job as DG agents since they destroyed the house and framed it as a suicide

cosmic spindle
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Hey, just because it’s not well planned and kinda bungled in the moment doesn’t mean it can’t end up effective

queen tinsel
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they did all of this because they summoned her with the ritual and were trying to extract information from what they believe to be her demonic side

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They only realised after the kidnapping that she may just have been a victim of the king

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And honestly they didn't do much to contain the king

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Also they ate gold bugs

cosmic spindle
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How’s their overall Gonna McFucking Lose It levels?

queen tinsel
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Surprisingly stable for this point

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we're probably halfway through the kings wild ride

sudden igloo
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What about ||corruption levels||?

queen tinsel
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One has 3, one has 5, one has 10

queen tinsel
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In the ongoing adventure

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10 corruption player has now developed severe disassociative identity disorder and nearly was mauled to death by the paper tiger before collapsing into unconsciousness and awakening in Dorchester house under suicide watch

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she currently believes that the world she is inhabiting at all times is the real world and has not slept in over a week. she is so far gone that she's shoving books through the red door and trying to find a door out of Dorchester house into Vegas to try and find the rest of the team

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Also has rpd masking through every single psychiatric session in both worlds which is truly something else

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The only bright side in their life is that they have managed to teeter the line between 20-30 sanity the entire time by neglecting their son and accepting that he isn't even a real person in the play

sudden igloo
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Oooo boy

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I can't remember ||does dying in the Dorchester just reset you within it or is that PC a repeater now?||

cosmic spindle
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Without pulling out my copy, I think it’s an option if they do?

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But May said “was nearly” rather than was so I don’t think it’s relevant yet?

queen tinsel
queen tinsel
sudden igloo
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Ohhh missed the "nearly"!

cosmic spindle
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TBH this is the kind of campaign where you could say to a player “||oh no, you really did die back there, you have been a Bruce Willis Ghost this whole time” and it not feel like it’s unfair or unsatisfying||

queen tinsel