#Soulslikes

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tender orchid
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Well at least Nioh 3 continues to have killer boss music

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Also, the Enlish VA work doesn't seem that good

harsh shard
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Nioh 2 is my first Nioh, so I got no context on who the big guy was besides a lesson that discretion is sometimes better than valor

I was trying a Odachi/Fists combo and it sure seemed neat

tender orchid
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Nioh 2 is a prequel so playing Nioh wouldn't have helped

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I was asking only because beating Gozuki (big bull yokai) at the start is either something you do on repeat visits with better gear or if you're a vet of the first game and know what you're doing already

ashen pumice
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You're supposed to just run past it for now

harsh shard
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Yeah I think I got like to the first bonfire after it, leveled to 5 and got some ninjutsu, and just got busy before I could finish the level

tender orchid
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Found the menu for Martial Arts in Nioh 3, looks like weapons are Swords, Odachi, Spears for Samurai. Ninja get Dual Ninja Swords, Talons, Kusarigama, Ninjutsu.

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No Axe, which really sucks

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My previous builds were Odachi and Axe based

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One for humans one for yokai

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Okay you have to unlock High and Low stance with points

tough lynxBOT
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It sounds like they have certainly made some choices with nioh 3

tender orchid
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It's possible the low and high stances are unlocks in the previous games too and I'm forgetting, but still

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Then again this is an alpha demo taking place partway through the early game so shrug

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What's really annoying me is I want to gwt with this, cause experimenting and changes are necessary for a franchise to grow and evolve and stay good, but it's hard to like the Samurai/Ninja role split the way it is in this Alpha Demo. Not to mention it being an Alpha Demo is going to make almot all of my critics have an asterisk of "May Not Apply to Full Game" which is a dumb kind of frustrating.

tender orchid
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The new open world stuff they're doing in the Nioh 3 Alpha Demo is interesting at least. No more mission select screen will take some getting used to but having secrets in the world maps is neat.

bitter ridge
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does the loot system seem like the old games

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or has that not been touched on

tender orchid
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Seems like it to me

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Armor skills, weight, defense

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Stats are a touch different as onmyo magic seems to be based on yokai cores instead of its own skill tree right now

spare summit
tender orchid
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Nioh 3 Alpha Demo, found an open world boss, it's ||Mezuki||

flint pike
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LIES OF P OVERTURE IS OUT NOW. THIS IS NOT A DRILL.

I REPEAT: LIES OF P OVERTURE IS OUT NOW.

next hollow
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oh shit i gotta beat the game now

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on a note about ds2, wow im not liking this tower shield thing i got going on i think I might switch to dex but also ohhh my god there's so many poke weapons it's really hard to choose

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but also i do like seeing weapons bounce off my shield urreghhhgg

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wait. i could just upgrade my armor and trade all the time

bitter ridge
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In Soulsborne fashion Lies of P DLC does ask a lategame save, so if you're like me ( foolish ) and started NG+, well

tender orchid
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Getting back to the Nioh 3 Alpha Demo, I am starting to see the appeal of the Samurai/Ninja split, in theory. Though I'm not a huge fan of the idea of needing to track two seperat builds to swap between on the fly in combat.

final smelt
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also upgrading shields does boost their block and stablity a little

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for example my favorite shield the watchdragon parma has i think 92% block?

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boosts your item find and has several resists

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isnt too heavy

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you can get the dranglic shield now which is also good

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but its 1.5 heaver

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just for 10% more block

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like look at this thing

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most other shields with stats this good are way later

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you can get this early on in SOTFS

next hollow
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EIGHTY FIVE?

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man maybe i should get on non 100% shields

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fuck

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like i have that

final smelt
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the few earily 100% shields uslaly are heavier and have poor lemenetal resist

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this has 60 on all elements a min

potent pewter
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yeah watchdragon is cracked out of its gourd

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I've never actually bothered to use shields in DS2, but that's because I'm a sicko, not because they're bad

ashen pumice
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I also don't really use shields much anymore

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Two handing is really strong in 2, since it gives you double Str instead of just 1.5

potent pewter
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two-handing also goes hard but powerstancing is the one true path

ashen pumice
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Powerstance also good

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Powerstanced maces can clobber just about anything in the base game

next hollow
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it's just like

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i haven't done a plank and board build before

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I've done strength

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sorta dex maybe

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faith

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int

crystal meteor
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im a shield addict but i go w/ shields w/ good drip over stats in ds2

next hollow
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all the damage scaling stats whatever

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but like

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haven't done the "vigor" one

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and like ds3 is nice and all but i appreciate 2 way more

ashen pumice
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2 is my favorite of the three

final smelt
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same

next hollow
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same

crystal meteor
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i just like how shields like the royal kite shield look

next hollow
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they do have a lot of drip in 2

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they had the uhhh

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design contest

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so some of the shield designs were outsourced to other people who Knew What Was Up

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also i am warming up to the playstyle now that I've upgraded my gear more

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still have an elden ring itch to play the Guy Who Has Every Damage Type and Assassinates Enemies

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but im slowly getting over it

ashen pumice
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Split damage is very good in 2

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Because it has no flat damage reduction

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Also you can stack buffs and infusions in 2, and it's also very strong

next hollow
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yeah that's what tempts me

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i heard dex controls status buildup infliction

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is that true?

ashen pumice
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No clue, I never really used status much

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Poison is very good as well though

next hollow
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oh yeah i heard poison bleed is scary

crystal meteor
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yeah dex affects buildup

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which makes sense also since if youre doing status you want a 'faster' weapon

next hollow
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right right

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that might be my next playthrough

ashen pumice
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There is some new stuff in NG+, so you could respec too

crystal meteor
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i did uh.... poison ricard's rapier i think, w/ pyromancy to cast the poison/toxic mist spells also, it was funny

next hollow
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i

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gotta admit i don't think I've ever done a ng+

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and i forget ds2 actually adds stuff

noble plover
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I tend to ignore NG+ as well, so that's good info

crystal meteor
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lots of funny ng+ pranks in ds2

noble plover
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Though maybe I should go back and do it on my DS1 playthrough so I can use these absurd Str weapons I picked up

ashen pumice
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One very nice thing 2 also does is that in NG++ you can buy covenant rewards from Wellager

noble plover
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BK greatsword and demon's hammer

ashen pumice
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So you can get everything without needing to do covenant mp

noble plover
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Hell maybe even the Smough hammer

final smelt
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all but elden ring require ng+ to 100%

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and ds3 does it for the dumbest reason

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1 is knnights honor requires you to get to ng++ giant

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ds2 is some spells skip requiresments in ng+ and ng++

ashen pumice
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yeah he sells the spells you'd normally need to do covenants for

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Wrath of God, Bountiful Sunlight, and Great Chaos Fireball

next hollow
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oh wow

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that's really good

ashen pumice
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it does need to be actual NG++ though unfortunately

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ascetics don't count

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which speaking of
bonfire ascetics exist, they are quite useful

next hollow
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I've actually never used them

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not sure when i should tbh

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like yeah free souls but Where's Best

final smelt
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you can look online what are some good pspots

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because you can turn on unlimited enemy respawns its not really useful for farming enemies

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but placed items

ashen pumice
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most useful application of ascetics is if you want certain chests again

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or if you want the NG+ boss souls immediately

tender orchid
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Nioh 3 Alpha Demo, seems the farther you get the more skills th game tells you about, so it starts awkward but seems like it'll get smoother

stable lintel
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Me when i heard a certain name be mentioned in lies of P DLC

bitter ridge
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i'm still climbing back to ||Chapter 9|| in NG+

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didn't keep a save on normalmode

ashen pumice
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starting a totally new save myself

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I was meaning to replay anyway

final smelt
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yeah same

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im not playingh for a while thought as i want something less hard before going into lies of p

stable lintel
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Sadly it does appear short I am half done it seems, but it’s pretty solid personally I might feel depending on how long it goes. It might not be worth a $30 but considering I bought the game on a sale 30+30 is 60 so 🤷‍♂️ , hears to them doing ||the Wizard of oz sequel ||

final smelt
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i was disppointed to find out that the new diffculties are just easy very easy and normal

ashen pumice
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started my Lies of P replay
that polearm they give you now is pretty dope

tender orchid
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Nioh 3 Alpha Demo, so turns out the game just locks some skills that help make it feel better to play behind finding them in thr world/doing story related stuff. Makes for an awkward start, hopefully they make it easier to get this stuff or have training for it at the Shrine Dojo.

next hollow
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I love having beef with bowman guthry because i can absolutely just flatten him with the dragon tooth and move on

next hollow
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holy shit

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they jump the fuck out of you in iron keep

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i never get used to it

ashen pumice
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Yeah the central room is pretty awful

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Just open up the exit and leave tbh

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Or just book it over to Smelter

next hollow
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trying

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hard part about this tower build is that i put a lot into strength

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not a lot into stamina

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makes me think this is really a ng+ build

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since it takes so fucking long to get online

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also the slower pace means seeing six knights with katanas and greatbows pull up on me is like fuuuuuck i gotta fight them

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i might play naked dual ugs

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nvm

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upgraded the jesters set and decided im never taking this off

stable lintel
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Lies of P because of the DLC has entered the rare hall of games that made me cry hard as hell alongside the like of
Bioshock 1 (good ending)
Paper Mario and the thousand year door
Mass Effect 3 (the objectively worst game on my list in my opinion lol)

spare summit
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ah shit

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I'm gonna have to spend money on that DLC huh

tender orchid
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I'm gonna have to spend money on the full game and the DLC

ashen pumice
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the base game is half off at the moment

tender orchid
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Holy shit the DLC is 30 bucks?!

stable lintel
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Yeah I don’t think it worth the 30 dollars personally, but if you can get the base game on sale it might be worth it

tender orchid
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Well right now the game and DLC on steam as a bundle is the price of the game not on sale

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If only I could justify the expense right now

tulip cove
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Playing ds2 sotfs once more

ashen pumice
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continuing my Lies of P replay

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I'm on the middle difficulty, and it does feel a good bit easier than the "normal" difficulty

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I also very much enjoy the Dragon Glaive as a weapon

final smelt
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i hate that they only added two easier modes

ashen pumice
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well tbqh, I don't really think the game needed an even harder difficulty

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so I'm quite fine with it

final smelt
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I think it would have been nice to have both a harder and easier diffculty

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even more so if it was well made

next hollow
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also

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for the first time ever

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i net aldia!

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turns out the rotten has a primal bonfire that's extremely and stupidly hidden

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like wow please don't make it behind shitty fire effects

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note 2: they are jumping the fuck out of me in the dlc

final smelt
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the poison one?

next hollow
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yeah

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everyone either has a hammer or a bow and there's always five of them or more

final smelt
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the poison one is def hard but in a way i don't hate it

next hollow
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i don't hate it either

final smelt
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i do hate iron keep

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kinda

next hollow
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especially considering my strength build is finally online

final smelt
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its mainly those rooms with the giant doors

next hollow
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so im like pancaking people

next hollow
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like cmon. leave anor Londo alone

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oik is

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Bad

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like just a bad boss fight

final smelt
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oik?

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old iron keep

noble goblet
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I actually like Iron Keep

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its funny to use the traps against the mobs

final smelt
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i really only hate the big doors

noble goblet
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and the aesthetics are cool enough

final smelt
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in the tiny room

noble goblet
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ah the indoor bit?

final smelt
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yaeh basicly all of them are just aweful ambushes that feel like you can't do anything

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but get ambushed

next hollow
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old iron king or

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whatever his name is

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smelter iron king

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oinky indignant king

final smelt
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i got really good at fighting him due to being stuck on him so long in my first sl1 attempt

next hollow
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yeahh he's just extremely boring to fight

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especially considering you get jumped by an elite squadron of knights with katanas (kickass concept) the whole time

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i would have loved like

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looking mirror knight esque stuff where he was more vulnerable and slow but did get you boss invaded by the familiar rogues gallery

tulip cove
# next hollow YAAAAAY

I have unlocked the copse and the bastille and have so far not died yet woo

I miss DS2's slower combat pace so much

next hollow
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me too

next hollow
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i have never once figured out how to get that stupid bonfire next to ornifex and i doubt i ever will on my own

tough lynxBOT
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it’s definitely a weird one, yeah

next hollow
tough lynxBOT
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We remember it involving a lot of jumping or falling

next hollow
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which the brightstone cove already has

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and the tutorials are mostly not in sotfs edition too

tulip cove
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I forgot how i did it

I think i just broke down the door maybe

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Or looked for the path above

final smelt
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its a wierd path

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even i forget how to get to it

next hollow
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thank you

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that's bullshit

final smelt
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what if i told you that the shine of amana doesnt really bother me anymore

next hollow
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same [prepping as much magic resist as possible]

final smelt
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oh i just got good at dodgeing the bolts and i figured out in the third section most of the enemies don't aggro if you go around the edges

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so you can just use the pillars as cover to kill the mages without the holy knights in the center being aggroed

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i figured this out on my enemy drops only run

next hollow
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i think my only gripe with it was the water

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i have the patience the wade through the enemy placements I just don't like the environment it's in

next hollow
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I love how you can just play pranks on enemies in the uhh

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post black gulch dlc

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like

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im just leading this ghosts into the spike pit and since they can't climb ladders they cannot get to me anymore

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so this gank of like five dual wielding ghosts is becoming a more and more dangerous spike pit field trip

flint pike
# final smelt i hate that they only added two easier modes

Conversly, i think this was a great choice. We got a story mode for folks who wanted story only, we got a "Intro you to soulslikes" mode, and we got to keep our existing diffuclty.

and for folks who want hard as balls, there's scaling NG+ diffuclties now

final smelt
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I don't like playing ng+ unless it drascly has new mechnics

harsh shard
final smelt
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pretty much any time ive played ng+ it was because of an achvment requirement

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its actully something i find really disppointing about the genre as a whole

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ng+ most of the time just adds a few things and stat boosted enemies

harsh shard
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A lotta times I wouldn't mind DLC that started you at New Game+ scaling and an appropriate level

final smelt
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nioh has some cool stuff but most of the stuff that is cool doesnt trigger until ng+++

harsh shard
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The Surge 1/2 was interesting because by NG+1 the equipment capped out at rank 10 so the New Game+ 2 and beyond you just had to be good at surgin' because you were on par with the enemies

ashen pumice
next hollow
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okay

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this gank trio boss is kicking my ass

potent pewter
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ds2 gank squad in shulva?

ashen pumice
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The passages all kinda suck

potent pewter
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yeah

final smelt
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yeah just skip the passages

ashen pumice
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They're meant to be something you do in coop

potent pewter
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shulva's is the least ass, though, because the gank squad is pretty easy to stagger

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their movement and attack speeds are pretty different, so you can separate them and then they're just standard ds2 fat-ass npcs with their fat-ass healthbars

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except less damage

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...not counting dragon tooth guy

next hollow
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i haven't spec'd into superpoise so I'm finding that if im not staggered by havels toothy adventures those statues are staggering me

potent pewter
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that still hits like a freight train

next hollow
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yeah

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he also can just sprint at you? sometimes he even approaches first instead of katana man

potent pewter
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huh

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i don't think i've ever noticed that

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although i'm sure it's happened before if you say that

next hollow
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usually i wait for one to approach because i really don't want to lessen my reaction time between a greatbow firing and me getting impaled

potent pewter
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fair

next hollow
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and sometimes he just pulls up on me like okay

potent pewter
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what's your build?

next hollow
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fuck me ig

potent pewter
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pure melee?

next hollow
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big hammer that flattens humanoid characters

potent pewter
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nice

next hollow
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unfortunately

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he is not pancaking

potent pewter
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you could switch around to a power stance build

next hollow
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hmm

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not sure if i have the titanite to afford more weapon upgrades but i could try power stancing spears

potent pewter
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something like double red iron twinblade

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if you've got a spare ascetic

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or single red iron twinblade if you prefer

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it's a pretty good weapon single or double, and a pure str one

next hollow
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oh where do i get that

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i will admit

potent pewter
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amana somewhere

next hollow
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I'm not past brightstone cove because i found out that there's a primal bonfire behind the shitty fire in the gulch

potent pewter
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idr where exactly, can look it up

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ahhh

ashen pumice
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Red iron twinblade is pretty notoriously good yeah

next hollow
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and like

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look

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i know dlc is meant for a later game

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but I'm stubborn and i like my open world

potent pewter
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extremely fair

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black gulch is a cakewalk, though

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if you want to just...do it and grab some gubbins

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rotten is a pitifully easy boss with a bonfire right next to it, so it's extremely easy to kill the first time or farm for +++++souls

next hollow
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oh no i already bonfire ascetic'd it for crypt sword for a future build

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just uh

potent pewter
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gotcha

next hollow
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in all my time playing ds2 i never realized

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there was a 2mm hole behind a bunch of fire effects

potent pewter
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lmao

next hollow
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that led to me meeting aldia for the first time

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which i am

potent pewter
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it's not in the fire seed area

next hollow
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notably

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NOT

potent pewter
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oh okay you got it

next hollow
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mad about

potent pewter
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lmao

ashen pumice
potent pewter
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there's a primal bonfire behind every lord soul!!!!

next hollow
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gahhhh

potent pewter
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shanalotte tells you this at the start of the game!!

next hollow
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i knowwww i knowww

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i was looking for it too and then i gave up on my first

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what

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three playthroughs?

potent pewter
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unforchies

next hollow
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for context my glasses prescription is extremely heavy

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i might just start playing on online mode tbh

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just to get some coop for the boss

potent pewter
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the dlc passages are very deliberately meant for co-op, yeah

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their gimmick even included the ability to summon people without DLC access

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just to do them

next hollow
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I'm not sure if people even still play this game outside of uhh

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lightning hex dual rapier pvp players

potent pewter
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lol

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there's an okay population

ashen pumice
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There's also regular events to replay the game

next hollow
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oh?

potent pewter
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yeah, the DS series subreddits (incl. DeS and BB) have yearly events

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where they coordinate certain times to do replays, so as to boost co-op activity

next hollow
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oh shit

potent pewter
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the password features of later games help, but

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even just Having A Couple Hundred Extra People is a huge blessing

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dunno if anything's going on right now, but

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hey, we've got dark souls players right here

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that'd be happy to co-op

next hollow
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kickass

potent pewter
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it's been a while since i booted up ds2, so i could help if you don't find anyone for Jolly Co-Operation

next hollow
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also yeah a couple hundred extra people is a huge boost

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at least with what im used to

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i distinctly remember being in the uhh

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the castle with the soul golems

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or rather the part of the castle

potent pewter
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lmfao

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yeah the central one?

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with the stone spearmen and the three fucking ruin sentinel doors?

next hollow
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yupppp

potent pewter
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castle drangleic is so fucking funny

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ds2 has such a mean sense of humor

next hollow
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the entire game is one big prank tbh and im here for it

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i appreciate the meanness because it's actually attentive than going through the motions

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and also because you can absolutely prank the game back

potent pewter
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the cruelty is mutual

next hollow
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he might have been a forlorn-esque roleplayer

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but every time i booted the game up on different days

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I'd see his ass in red and he'd rock my shit every time

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safe to say i was stuck in that area for a while

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since ds2 has a weird like. priority system for invasion

potent pewter
next hollow
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as much as the soulslike genre has developed

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i would like more games inspired by ds2 than the more fast paced uberserious stuff

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like how people made uhh

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kingsfield inspired stuff

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spiritual successors and all

potent pewter
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people are rock hard for the ds3 type, but i agree

final smelt
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OH that reminds me to play the lunacid thing made in kingsfield 1

potent pewter
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i want more deranged shit like Exactly One Illusory Wall In The Game

next hollow
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IT'S SO BULLSHIT

potent pewter
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or the first chest/bonfire/door/whatever unhinged thing they choose you ever see is a mimic

next hollow
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EVERY OTHER WALL IS INTERACT

potent pewter
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which is one of my favorite parts of ds3

final smelt
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does ds2 replace some chests with mmics

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in ng+

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or did i imagine that

potent pewter
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i don't think so unfortunately, but i might be misremembering

next hollow
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uhhh

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I'm not sure if it's a og vs sotfs difference

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or a ng+ diffo

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but

final smelt
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yes there are mimics

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that swap

next hollow
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the iron chest before the forest of the fallen giants right after you get out of majula

final smelt
next hollow
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that gets swapped

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YEAH

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yhat one

potent pewter
next hollow
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tbh my motto is to just have my corpse run done before i open any chests

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that way there's a little push and pull

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it kills me

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i obliterate it into a pulp

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all friendly stuff

final smelt
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Theres sometimes yeah i just do what i call "rat runs"

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where i just around around grabbing stuff even i fi cant beat the enemies

next hollow
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yess

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another thing i like

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is when the game just doesn't fuck with you

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like haha a button that opens a door to a dead end room with an item

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i finish up all my business which takes like an hour or two

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return to it like ohh noo me and my 800 souls

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and then it's just a normal dead end with a corridor like ah

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god this game is so fucking good

potent pewter
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it can't be predictable

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to be Known is to be dead

next hollow
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this game is doing mixups to me

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I'm playing pvp and it's with the devs

flint pike
harsh shard
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Does Lies of P still have just the one character option?

spare summit
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you WILL play Pinocchio yes

crystal meteor
noble plover
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s/o to that DS1 sunbro who took out the channeller in the Undead Parish even though I was already dying. Literally did it for no reason but to make my next run easier, peak sunbro

crystal meteor
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i always love being able to leave up a summon sign on a hard boss or skillcheck-for-new-people boss

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or showing people shortcuts

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communicating exclusively through dark souls emotes and spins and attacking walls and shit

noble plover
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I love that "block repeatedly to say hi" has become a thing among souls players

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Easy way to communicate that you're here to have fun

crystal meteor
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the lil shield shuffle is so funny yeah

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i love to summon someone and then preload my greeting

noble plover
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I've started using the "By My Sword" gesture as my default greeting in ER. Giving you a lil salute

stable lintel
noble goblet
tulip cove
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Whats a nice str boss weapon for sotfs

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Heavy

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For the early gaem

potent pewter
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how early is early

#

you can't really go wrong with the giant stone axe

#

but there aren't a ton of pure str boss weapons

#

the good ones are like, that and chariot lance

tulip cove
#

Oh chariot lance?
Mmm

#

But...greatlance....

potent pewter
#

i'd rec plenty of other str weapons as well, but those are the two boss weapons that are any good imo

#

at least early

next hollow
#

been using the large club

#

the paler one

#

stuck with me since i got it toooo

#

ivory king dlc which im doing rn

#

im not sure how it compares to other weapons but i find myself swapping through multiple great hammers per clearing of an area

#

gargoyle bident is also nice

#

not interesting but it's good and does respectable damage

flint pike
#

Got past both Tyrannical Predator and the first actual ergo boss

next hollow
#

nice!

flint pike
#

Tyrannical was a bit of a pain, def noticed the camera issues. first ergo boss is by far the best Orn and Smoggy type i've ever seen

tulip cove
#

trying to achieve zen by not malding after losing 50k souls to some damn headless manikins in ringed city cameo peak

next hollow
#

tis just souls, sire

#

you will get many many more

#

especially with bonfire ascetics

#

holy shit you can get more

#

and apparently in the late game there's an infinite farm for them?

bitter ridge
#

I can't recall which spots I farmed to the point of things not spawning anymore but it was a strange vibe

next hollow
#

i usually farm a lot of areas to that point

#

i get mad at a gank and then i target them for the twelve fifteen whatever respawns they have

#

and then im happy again

#

which ends up with me clearing the area just cuz

bitter ridge
#

Noh.. Ghost Town.. spooki

#

'There's supposed to be a wretched man here.'

next hollow
#

a wicked sort used to prowl about here...

untold tendon
#

That's fascinating

noble goblet
#

though you'd need to run up a bit to Tseldora afaik to farm for it

#

its a bit faster than most other weapons in its class

next hollow
#

WGHHH

#

returned to lies of p

#

king of puppets still kicking my ass

ashen pumice
#

same

#

I need to get good at phase 2

next hollow
#

yeahh

#

if it weren't for his crossup unblockable I'd have beaten him by now

#

i am a little disappointed that i haven't seen a soulslike pull some havel bs yet

#

as a side note to nothing

bitter ridge
#

I'm powering through on NG+ because I refuse to start again for DLC tomfoolery, but also using the Two Dragons Sword for the first time and goddamn this thing is a demon

ashen pumice
#

it's great

#

especially if you can get the timing on the heavy parry down

bitter ridge
#

It's so satisfying to do, too

#

And the hypermobile R1s are just nifty

#

/and then Puppet Ripper in the back pocket when i don't feel like thinking too hard vs 6 dudes

next hollow
#

oof

#

dodged his unblockable for the first time in attempts that spanned over a few days

ashen pumice
#

I never have the weight for two weapons

bitter ridge
#

that cursed polevault-y one

ashen pumice
#

but I also always use the heaviest armor parts I can

bitter ridge
#

also Weight Limit +1 Talisman helps a ton with that

next hollow
#

instantly clicked onto the rhythm only to die to the fire combo

bitter ridge
#

horf

#

this game can be so feast or famine with the defenses

#

some enemy combos just hurt so damn much

next hollow
bitter ridge
#

ahhhh

#

i forget the unblockable at the end of his fire combo just about every time

next hollow
#

basically every other move i can get down but without the red flash for the unblockable it's giving me a tough time

ashen pumice
#

the fire combo is usually what murders me

flint pike
flint pike
#

Puppet string is also really good

next hollow
#

using string yeah

flint pike
#

(it remains a tragic missed opportunity they never let you upgrade the arm of steel so you can just go I Cast Punch

next hollow
#

i guess i can try running away just to bait out the moves im not used to or his pitiful combos when im at range

flint pike
#

Other things: remember to use electric abrasive+ grindstone, that's a 25% more damage right there

next hollow
#

might need a grocery run on those

flint pike
#

Malum district has a merchant right by the stargazer that sells them for cheap

#

Also, bonecutting sawblade + handle of choice (Dancers curved/bramble curved are my favorites) is an amazing weapon that works great with technique, quality or motivity

#

It's what I used to destroy the true final boss the first time I met him

next hollow
#

oh nice

#

might look at that then

#

oh that's in the malum district

#

how'd i miss that?

#

I've been looking for a greatsword handle for a while now

flint pike
#

Other things with King of puppets is just remember you have Items and they're really good in this game

#

It's amazing how much more cooperative a boss is after getting a shotput to the face

#

If that fails, give em another two.

next hollow
#

woe

#

shotput

#

I've heard advance doesn't really get much live from the game

flint pike
#

It's more the number of weapons dedicated to it is somewhat limited

#

And it's very item intensive

#

But it's pay off it's incredible damage potential

#

It has some of the best offensive legion arms, and really powerful items. Plus it's weapons can be immensely strong when they get going

#

Dlc adds even more advance weapons

#

It's not my taste, personally, but I wouldn't sleep on it either

#

Even without investment, the elemental throwables are very strong

next hollow
#

aughghh

#

finding this greatsword sucks

final smelt
#

advnace's main problem is just selection

bitter ridge
#

Some investment in Advance is worth it imo, the scaling for those that do is real solid

#

Level 3 Fulminis charge is a firm answer to puppet nonsense

noble goblet
#

for legion arms, I'm a huge fan of the Electric one

#

a tap on it and it creates a hitbox faster than pretty much any weapon I'd carry, great for interrupting quick enemies

#

and ofc the charged one just hurts

willow ocean
#

Lies of P dlc optional boss spoilers of maybe 3rd area
Oh you cheeky with ||premetamorphic green hunter|| I see I see

flint pike
#

That thing was an asshole

#

Got it down this morning, but argh. What an arse!

willow ocean
#

also ||La Vendetta|| has been a very fun weapon

#

Chunky bonker that turns into ||EXPLOSIONS|| with fable art

flint pike
#

I havent played with it much, but my udnerstnading is it gets stornger from Perfect Guards?

willow ocean
#

Fable art on the blade makes it function like it always has max charge for a while + regular hits also get the effect

flint pike
#

Anguished GUaridan down

#

holy shit that was a boss alright

willow ocean
#

that's where I stopped at the moment, beat just before work

willow ocean
flint pike
#

OIh, i have been looking foward to that weapon

#

I 110% will say i'm glad they;'re looking at the damage

#

i';m on NG, have all the best possible gear for my level

#

and the amount of damage eeven blocked hits do is insane

bitter ridge
#

A'right yeah NG+ damage is hhwaaaaay overtuned

willow ocean
bitter ridge
#

Lies of P DLC, it's wild

flint pike
bitter ridge
#

Things are also just absolute tanks

#

I don't want to be dragged into one of those horrid Puppet Axe builds but goddamn it takes a while to whittle some of these down

flint pike
#

I didn't find the HP too bad, but I've been using seven coil

bitter ridge
#

I have 40 Vit and the talisman that gives HP/Stam/Legion, if that first boss grabbed me, I was dead no matter what

flint pike
#

Mostly when stuff has felt too tanky it's because the damage they do means you can't trade hits, etc

bitter ridge
#

Yeahh that probably doesn't help

#

I physically can't take trades

flint pike
bitter ridge
#

Yeahp

#

the Hanna Barbera Grab

flint pike
#

He was a right git, but not one shot with the grab on ng

#

also I will never look at elephants the same way again after this dlc

#

||especially the second one, arrrgh||

bitter ridge
#

||'this seems to have a bit more HP than the last on- oh, ohh'||

flint pike
#

But hey, Cataclysm! That thing rocks

bitter ridge
#

Did instantly run out to turn all my advance into Motivity (mostly an Advance type but have side stat)

#

the scaling with the Triumverate Amulet is solid

flint pike
#

It took me a while to get the rythm of how to use it, but it's monster strong when you do get it down

#

Dash in to perfect release and multiple mooks just die

bitter ridge
#

Also so many enemies slide six miles forward with every animation sometimes it looks so so bad lmao

sweet quiver
#

some of the normal bigger enemies are doing as much or more damage than the final boss did

bitter ridge
#

Regular punkass cane alchemist twoshots me

#

It's buckwild in here

sweet quiver
#

same

#

they desperately need to have them not do that much damage

#

also just defeated ||Markiona||

#

mfw i just throw shit and i win

bitter ridge
#

||Lesbians, in my Puppetgame..||

sweet quiver
#

real

#

but yeah throwing shit is bonkers good

bitter ridge
#

Cool boss but I don't know how I feel about all this Mystical Orb Business

sweet quiver
#

it is

#

very weird

#

also not my favourite boss but it wasn't a bad one either

hollow spruce
#

Omg did not know this thread existed

sweet quiver
#

yeah same

#

also new favourite handle

#

the ||lorenzini bolt|| handle...

#

my beloved

bitter ridge
#

Also wait where the hell do we take this Ergo now :|a

sweet quiver
#

?

bitter ridge
sweet quiver
#

i put the spear of honor head on it and now i have mega range

#

wow the ||deaths talons|| seem SUPER fun

#

gods i wish they would stop making level up materials so limited in these games

#

i sorta get why but it never stops sucking

bitter ridge
#

wait you need to redo the BRB fight again, fucksake i forgot how much i want to beat 'Alidoro' with hammers

sweet quiver
#

it's so much worse for the boss weapons since the upgrade materials are even more limited for them and you can't upgrade them past +3

#

brb fight?

bitter ridge
#

Blackrabbit

ashen pumice
bitter ridge
#

Alidoro isn't in the Hotel after the attack

sweet quiver
#

ahhhh

bitter ridge
#

Until after you beat the next chapter boss

#

So you unlock the DLC

#

and then can't buy weapons

sweet quiver
#

i'm on my completed ng+ fight

#

sooooo

#

you know

bitter ridge
#

until you unrelatedly go to that

sweet quiver
#

i have access already

#

having beaten the final boss already won't limit me in some way will it?

#

i hope not

bitter ridge
#

Probably not

sweet quiver
#

great success

#

also let me fucking buy the dark moon moonstone of the covenant

#

i beg

#

it's so ass to have to farm it out every time i wanna try a new weapon

bitter ridge
#

Yeahhh

sweet quiver
#

i will never not think that it is bad design, let me try everything

#

there is literally no downside to doing so

bitter ridge
#

Well this killed my motivation for at least right now so good luck with progress o7

sweet quiver
#

this is a singleplayer game

bitter ridge
#

Ohhh there's a DLC merchant ok ok OK

#

I was truly like 'why would they do it like this'

ashen pumice
#

Ah, nice

bitter ridge
#

Now.. will there be one that sells high end upgrades >:|c

sweet quiver
#

need to get like 6 dark moon moonstone of the covenant ughhhhh

bitter ridge
#

The fact they scale 1/2/4 is so annoying

#

Game hates experimentation

sweet quiver
#

yeah

#

going to farm that one shovel guy in the swamp for it since that's the easiest one to do

#

one million ergo later

bitter ridge
#

oh perfect parry grindstone, you are my favorite answer to chaotic flailing

#

the noise of it

sweet quiver
#

used my non-renewable upgrade materials on the bow and the final boss weapon and i low-key regret it

#

but at the same time there was no way for me to know i was getting a bunch of cool shit later either

bitter ridge
#

I did the same but NG+ helping with that at least

#

Bow's nifty but Simon's Bowblade it is not

sweet quiver
#

yeah

bitter ridge
#

Don't think it's baaad but feels like a Secondary

#

Fable Arts are pretty damn solid

sweet quiver
#

def regret max upgrading it

#

saw it, went "holy shit ranged weapon" and kinda just sent it

bitter ridge
#

You'll be happy later when there's a pit of four apes you don't have to jump into

#

( but yeah )

sweet quiver
#

yeah i got decent use out of it already

bitter ridge
#

glad it goes farther than Falcon Eyes if you charge up

#

That thing detonating 15 feet out always makes me pouty

#

also something for all the barrels and weird goo-pods that isn't a hundred dollar Throwing Gear

sweet quiver
#

huh

#

so these enemies can drop Ergo Crystal of the Eternal

#

wild

#

got another one

#

25k a pop

#

not even remotely particularly useful to me

still garnet
#

Oh sweet I learned in ds1 you can throw firebombs at the Capra demon over top of the boss wall

#

Never fighting that guy again

bitter ridge
#

This Torch Juggling Puppet must have had at least like 70k HP, fucksake, I don't think any of the devs tried the DLC in a NG+ cycle

#

This took longer than the last boss, like

sweet quiver
#

yeah it's actually crazy how overtuned shit is

crystal meteor
sweet quiver
#

ok yeah that fucking juggling puppet has absurd hp

#

jfc

#

they cannot possibly have playtested this

#

it's genuinely absurd

final smelt
#

i do have saves that are post swamp if yall want them

flint pike
#

I just assume they did playtest it, but with really good players lol

sweet quiver
#

idk

#

the damage is just obscenely overtuned

#

one of the first enemies i met in the dlc did ostensibly more damage than the final boss did on most of its attacks

#

the enemies are harder as well but most of the big enemies like, 2-shot me, and i actually leveled vitality for the dlc specifically to have a more fun time

final smelt
#

Spoielrs for lies of p below

#

this is all the backup saves i have

#

if you want one for a maybe better dlc expeince just ask

bitter ridge
#

DLC has been a romp so far ('side from the numbers being a bit high) I will say though Area 2 isn't quite as charming as Area 1

#

Or izzis the third one..
||The Resident Evil Villainy Science Dungeon||

#

Also reintroduces 'hallways too small to swing your weapon in' the least fun Souls mechanic of all time

sweet quiver
#

yeah

#

it

#

it's been shit since base game

#

it's why i always keep a small poking stick on me

#

the new arm, Cataclysm, has been a godsend

hollow spruce
#

Fox btw

#

What do you think is the worst soulslike game?

final smelt
#

mortal shell or lords of the fallen

noble goblet
#

storywise I've heard its surge 2

#

but the gameplay in that one is a direct upgrade to the surge 1 and pretty ok overall

#

mechanically yeah maybe mortal shell for ones people have heard about

final smelt
#

id say the story is better in 2

harsh shard
# noble goblet storywise I've heard its surge 2

The writers of the Surge 2 were different from the Surge 1 so it was less directly skewering corporate culture and more skewering martial law kinda situations and it was a straightforward enough postapocalypse kinda situation

final smelt
#

mortal shell has a mechinc where you need to wait 30 min for health mushrooms to respawn

#

so if you run out you gotta go afk

#

and lords of the fallen just feels bad

bitter ridge
#

( mortal shell also feels bad, critically )

#

that is a ROUGH ONE

#

the sequel is an earnest surprise

sweet quiver
#

holy fucking shit

#

dlc weapons are COOKING

#

just got ||puppet of the Futures welder blade||

#

jfc

bitter ridge
#

definitely not the light attack I'd expected

#

also that particular part of the zone is truly an audio nightmare

sweet quiver
#

ugh, died to some big brute enemy cause my weapon refused to block when i press the button, love to see it

#

damn, mistimed a jump and fell right into the frigid abyss

sweet quiver
#

cool boss

#

tough as nails tho

#

o7 for ||Veronique||

#

had to throw everything i had at her to win the fight

#

||IT'S ALIDORO, THE REAL ONE||

#

also holy fuck (lies of p: overture story spoilers)

#

that sure is something REALLY fucking important innit

#

not entirely sure what to do with the ||puppet of the future's welder|| handle

#

trying out the blade with the ||Lorenzini bolt|| handle tho

#

some absurd shit going on in the weapon crafting scene

#

it has a truly ridiculous attack range

#

gods i love the weapon crafting system so much

#

genuinely never really fw the boss weapons purely based on how much fun it is to just put weapons together

bitter ridge
#

I haven't found a combo that's grabbed me recently

#

Booster Glaive'd too much to want to Bolt Handle

sweet quiver
#

i've definitely fallen in love with it

#

also the welder handle is fucking hilarious with the spear of honor blade

bitter ridge
#

I don't have many Stabby Things leveled, I have Swingy Things. Though Rocket Hammer could be kind of hilarious

sweet quiver
#

i've got a few things set up since i'm on ng+

#

found another weapon, ||La Vendetta||

#

going to see what imma do with it at the hotel

#

ok so ||La Vendetta spins the blade when you use the heavy, so combining it with the maniacs pinwheel blade which spins also leads to some insane things happening||

#

putting the ||La Vendetta|| blade on the booster glaive handle tho

#

1.6k damage per charged heavy is

#

exceptionally nice

#

does kinda need the fable power up

#

but that's not too big of a downside

tulip cove
#

ds2 sotfs

#

why cant i invade at certain intervals again

#

to stop invade spamming?

sweet quiver
#

bow earned its rep

#

just cheesed a miniboss with it

#

great success

#

yeah holy shit these bosses are so tanky

sweet quiver
#

love getting killed in one hit at almost max hp with 50 vit

bitter ridge
#

watching folks play on regular NG cycle and considering Awakened Puppet to see if it balances out lmao

#

It's like Hell or Hell mode in DMC3, it's such a jump

next hollow
sweet quiver
#

made a new funny knife

#

call this one the bee rocket

#

(Lies of P: Overture weapon part spoilers)

sweet quiver
#

enter hidden path
walk
ground breaks beneath me
time for fight
die instantly to the fall damage of falling after the ground broke
great success

next hollow
#

I'm getting the vibe that the dlc is harder than reasonable

sweet quiver
#

i survived the second time i jumped down because you're not supposed to die from the fall

#

but that was just

#

bruh

#

actually just bruh

#

i genuinely cannot fucking believe they made ||the worst boss in base game EVEN MORE annoying in the dlc||

#

it genuinely BOGGLES the mind

#

literally nobody liked that why did you make it worse

#

ok i've created the actual mythological mjolnir with this weapon combo damn

#

the dlc really did hit the spot with sick ass weapons

flint pike
tulip cove
#

ds2 sotfs
an invader gave me a royal soldier ring+2 and a lightning broken straight sword+10

next hollow
#

???? awesome

#

i think foxknight said the stamina econ on broken ss is really good

tulip cove
#

Probably saw me keep trying to smack em with my slow af zwei and went like "go use something pvp compatible dammit"

next hollow
#

the diss
imagine

#

"here's some training wheels for pvp"

noble plover
#

Sometimes invaders are just chill

#

I was co-oping with my partner a while back in ER and we got an invader who just chilled with us for a while and then dropped an albinauric mask and left

bitter ridge
#

Lies of P Overture: ||Mining Machine miniboss. Lol. Lmao, Truly. The main boss designers and the rest of the team feel like they're on different planets||

sweet quiver
#

Lmao

#

The weapon designers are peak at least

bitter ridge
#

I've loved a ton'a stuff!

#

But every miniboss is an absolute slog

sweet quiver
#

The fact they brought back ||the green swamp monster|| is an all timer decision

bitter ridge
#

||DS2 Smelter Demon and Blue Smelter Demon, rearing their horrible heads||

sweet quiver
#

Yeah lmao

#

I'm genuinely really impressed with the weapons tho

#

They're like, my favourite part so far

#

The weapon system prolly is my favourite feature of Lies of P it's so peak

#

They added a lot of really unique craftable weapons with the dlc which was such a good choice

flint pike
#

The miniboss has a weakness that's pretty obivous if you think about it

#

makes the fight much easier

#

||Get behidnd it and break it's fuel tank||

#

Now, the miniboss in act 4 of the dlc? ||Lummachio|| I had to fucking turn down the diffuclty for that. it was just not fun

bitter ridge
flint pike
#

Okay? I didnt argue it made it exicting or fun, and i havent played AC6

#

I just siad hey, there's this weakness

sweet quiver
#

Going to play more when i get home

#

Going to try using the new combos i nade with the ||Arche sword||

next hollow
#

rrgggh

#

i gotta beat the game on standard difficulty before I'll allow myself to go easier

#

wait the dlc is pre uhh

#

oh nvm

sweet quiver
#

Chapter 9

flint pike
#

DLC is post chapter 9

sweet quiver
#

Yeah

#

I'm on my ng+ file since i have like 20 different weapons upgraded and a bunch of p-organ shit sorted but yeah you just need to get post chap 9 for access

final smelt
#

don't play yhe dlc on ng+ from what ive seen so far

sweet quiver
#

I would not recommend it

#

Enemy damsge is extremely overtuned

next hollow
#

i was wondering about it until i realized
i dont have it

sweet quiver
#

I'm just glad i decided to upgrade vitality for the dlc

#

I did the whole basegame including all of ng+ without upgrading it once and ngl i think the first enemy in the DLC would have one-shot me

flint pike
#

`There's def some frustration where at 30 vit it feels a bit pointelss to upgrade itm ore, vs geting more damage ot make fights shorter. given just how high the damage is

#

(from enemies)

sweet quiver
#

Mhm

flint pike
#

meanwhile in the dlc: SUDDENLY ||ZAMTRIOS?!||

willow ocean
#

Lies of P dlc beaten

#

||wow fuck that last boss both for gameplay and in general||

#

was on NG+

#

Ran through most of it with ||La Vendetta|| tried ||gunblade|| for a bit but kind of didn't felt it

sweet quiver
#

Interesting

bitter ridge
#

I've enjoyed every major boss so far but haven't gotten to ol'lasty

#

Do enjoy this aesthetic more than ||Wet Dungeon and Wet Cave|| but the opener remains fave for that

spare summit
#

okay if I'm doing a second run

#

what stats should you build to have a good time with DLC weapons

final smelt
#

with free respecs it doenst really matter

sweet quiver
#

Yeah basically

#

Thank fuck for free respecs

willow ocean
#

Though there are some advance weapons as well

sweet quiver
#

Electric weapons get mega rep in the dlc ngl

spare summit
#

Damn

#

Watchman was not nearly as hard the second time fighting him

final smelt
#

Are you on ng?

spare summit
#

Yes

final smelt
#

yeah good

#

the dlc has wack ng+ scaling

spare summit
#

Aaand, Andreus dead

sweet quiver
#

(Lies of P: Overture spoilers)||Nah bruh they gotta make me fight anothe ergo-god experiment 😭 ||

#

guess i'm going to be stuck here for a while fighting the ||Anguished Guardian of the ruins||

#

ok might have a good weapon situation going actually

sweet quiver
#

this boss has so much hp holy

spare summit
#

Black Rabbits dead

#

Who do I gotta beat to do DLC stuff anyways

final smelt
#

post swamp

#

i think the closest boss is post parade 2

ashen pumice
#

gotta get back to the Hotel IIRC

final smelt
#

yeah

flint pike
#

You actually have to enter act 10, go down the elevator and everything too trigger it

spare summit
#

alrighty

#

I forgot how short this game was tbh, I did like half the game in 5hrs

final smelt
#

your gonna speedthoug it faster in a replay

#

i think ive beaten darksouls 1 in 6 hours

flint pike
#

Final DLC boss down

#

That was much,. much easier than some of the miniobosses,

#

thogu hithink respecing and cleaning up my build has helped a lot

#

Time to see how the last act of the main game holds up XD

#

I suspect i am going to murk the hsit out of it

next hollow
#

i hit fume knight a good bit and he kind of just fell over

#

is there something that im missing that people were complaining about him for?

#

like he is just a third smelter demon basically, but that's really my only issue

flint pike
#

He's easy to fuck up if you dont disarm the shit around his arena

next hollow
#

oh yeah the fire things

flint pike
#

a real;ly funny trick is that there's ap iece of equipment htatm akes him autoenter his second phase

#

so you can skip the first and just have to deal with one, arguably easier moveset

next hollow
#

here's my biiiiiiiiig sword and im gonna swing it realllllllllyyyyy slowllllyyyyy

#

watch outttttt

flint pike
#

It's always ufnny what people find hard

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Like everoyne HATES green swamp monster in Lies of P

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... ithink it's a really iun fight

tulip cove
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Im at yhe kings pet in the sotfs dlc

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The big ice tiger

flint pike
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conversly, Scrapped watchman kicks my teeth in

noble goblet
next hollow
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oh yeah

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i was literally wading through there

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where am i supposed to go?

noble goblet
next hollow
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there's like three mist walls

noble goblet
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I didnt know it was a semi-common experience with that boss

next hollow
flint pike
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i had like no trouble with watchman, but i also was not perfect blocking

noble goblet
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||Romeo|| and the ||1st BRB fight|| took me a while

flint pike
next hollow
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but like. fuoco was like irritatingly slow

noble goblet
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and I also ||never made it to Laxasia or past that||, but everything else was a bit easier

flint pike
next hollow
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also that reminds me

flint pike
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but

next hollow
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i really should get back into frontier defense when i have the time

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what a good mode

flint pike
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Fucking Battle Maniac just running in and getting destoryed always sends me

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"Ah, yes, the puppet is launching into the air of my sister, PERFECT TIME TO GET STUCK-" dies

tulip cove
noble goblet
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but its the coolest place to be

bitter ridge
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(Overture) Still wild to me we don't get ||Veronique's|| weapon but I guess there's enough.. related-ish stuff

flint pike
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Hoenstly,. the weapons-from-ergo def has a few misses even in the base game

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it's olne of the thingsi 'd call out as a genral flaw

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Like, my wishlist for Lies of Oz would be:

- Fable drains out of combat, but builds up much faster in combat, so there's actually a push-pull rythm to using it.
- Offensive consumables (Grindstones, shotputs, etc, anything that isnt the throwing cogs but does damage) are harder to find, but once you have them, they're permanent -carry X amount with you, they refill at stargazers. Just because items are so good to use in this game, and it sucks you have to grind for them. (I keep being tempted to use a trainer just to give me unlimited amounts so i don't have to grind, which is... blegh)
  • Boss weapons should actually.... be bosses's weapons! Lots of cool boss special weapons we get, but most of the time they have little to do with the boss - or the movesets are incomplete.
  • Cube needs to be a sacred tear style thing, that you can build into. None of this having to buy consumables for it.
  • Take another look at the quartz system, make it more distinct with builds. Stuff like "When discharged" could use a ramping system so it's less of an on/off switch. Give players more control over the number of Pulse Cells (half the reason it gets done in as a build is you... keep getting extra pulse cells force on you, which sucks!). Maybe expose the numbers of stuff like "Enchances stagger" etc, so it's a bit more understanble how much bonus you're getting
  • lean into weapon destruction more. Both for enemies AND players. Make it more of a choice to build around and go for. Things like being able to swtich blades on the same handle mid combat, or the ilk, there's a lot of ways they could play off this.

Still, such a good game

final smelt
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eh the drain out of combat was annoying in the surge

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the surge 2 remedies this a bit by making it where you can precharge stuff

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but in the first game this just meant the expensive ablties were not wort husing

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and even in the 2nd this was partly the case

flint pike
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That sounds more like a tuning issue, imho.

final smelt
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i just don't think it was enjoyable in either one even after being tuned a bit bietter in 2

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theres also the issue of it renders it near useless in anything not a boss fight

flint pike
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Hmm. Maybe. At the very least, it should just refill wehn you rest at a stargazer then. Or always start at em,pty. right now is the worst of both worlds imho

final smelt
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if you get the p organ upgrade that lets you get fable on pulse cell you can charge it beofre any boss to full

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by resting using all your cells and resting again

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you also can retrive your fable energy if you die

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its dropped but not lost on death

next hollow
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how do i

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melt shit in the ds2 winter dlc

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this snow is Pissing me off

final smelt
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you need to beat the tiger

next hollow
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damn

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i got a few places to look for that then

final smelt
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it is possible but not fun to kill the tiger while its still invisable

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yeah thinking about it you can just kill the tiger while its invisable then go strigaht to ivory king

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if your good its the shortest dlc

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thats actully what the all bosse speedrun does

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kills invisable alva then does the main boss

flint pike
next hollow
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beat the tiger

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hopefully it stops snowing soon

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though i will say this is much more bearable than elden ring's take on snow biomes

final smelt
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for now

next hollow
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I killed the tiger

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dont think the snow stopped

flint pike
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I just killed a boss in Lies of P in the tradtional manner

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shotput to the head from across the room

tulip cove
next hollow
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ah

tulip cove
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hes fucking hilarious

next hollow
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yes, i was waiting for him but never got to fight him so i left lmao

next hollow
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sure

tulip cove
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||"holy" knight Aurheim is disguised as a barrel and will backstab you when you try to open one of the chests upstairs||

next hollow
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LMAO that's hilarious

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i really do think ds2 npc invaders are truly the most inspired use of its system and it's a damn shame I don't see it anywhere else

tulip cove
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Maldron for example

since im playing the dlcs out of order my first encounter with him is in eleu loyce

and what a bastard (affectionate) he is there

sweet quiver
next hollow
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oh i smashed him flat in the other dlc

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stunlocking is one of the tools ever in ds2

sweet quiver
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Are you doing all bosses in ds2

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Cause the snow DLC has one i'd rec just skipping if not

next hollow
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uhh

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I'm not doing all bosses per se but i am trying to see as much as i missed since i played ds2 a bunch before i gained sentience

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and this is also my first time playing with controller controls instead of mouse and keyboard

sweet quiver
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Ok well then you can skip the one in Frigid outskirts

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Once you find Frigid outskirts you can turn back and leave

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I mean you don't have to but i can't rec doing it

next hollow
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frigid outskirts

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is it another tiger?

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or is it the gank fight

sweet quiver
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Something like that

next hollow
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both, probably

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do they drop anything good?

sweet quiver
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It just has a horrendous runback

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No

next hollow
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ah

sweet quiver
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You get nothing of value

next hollow
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i may test my hand a few times. strength builds are stupid strong

sweet quiver
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And it has the worst runback in any souls game that i've seen

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The boss isn't that hard

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Getting there is just fucking obnoxious

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It's just generally not worth it imo

next hollow
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ah

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runback as in boss run and not as in rematch

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i might skip it then

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or come back and fight enemies when i need souls

flint pike
sweet quiver
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Like, the boss is objectively easy

willow ocean
sweet quiver
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But getting to the boss is hellish

next hollow
next hollow
sweet quiver
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Yup

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I did it cause i want to beat every boss but it omega sucked

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Unless you are going for personal objective boss completion i would never recommend trying it

next hollow
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got it 👍 frigid outskirts, dip

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maybe it's the slower pace of combat but I'm pretty content with the difficulty ramp up of the dlc in ds2 compared to other titles

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i might change opinions with a different build since this one pancakes any enemies that isn't build like the gulch giants

flint pike
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Compared to like an hour+ be that snail fucker

willow ocean
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snail? confused_dog

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but yeah, in ng+ the boss was quite rough

flint pike
sweet quiver