Soulslikes

[sour grail]

[long flicker]

They're hellish even with the bone blades

[sour grail]

😩

oh actually

i saw the 2nd try to attack the first but i think it was just out of range

so it did work? but it still went for me

unlucky

[long flicker]

It took me like a dozen attempts the last time I did it

[sour grail]

😨

i will be back...

[last bronze]

oh yeah those guys are ridiculous

there are a lot of easier bosses

i've never managed to get bone blades to work either

[long flicker]

Maria is easier than them

[sour grail]

i agree

maria gave me room to breathe

i know I'm panic rolling a lot with these guys but

argh

[long flicker]

The weirdest thing about the sharks for me is that all of the attacks are theoretically easy to parry, but if you miss even one parry you get one shot

[sour grail]

yeahh

[left prawn]

i said these whales would make may look like nothin

and i meant it

[sour grail]

the biggest part for me is the camera. sure the arena is a little scuffed but you have some room, but when ur locked on and they tower over you causing the camera to scrape the ground

it's hard!

then you have to watch for the faraway charge in

pain

[left prawn]

this is true of every souls gamehttps://youtu.be/tKIiiSd7DgM?si=LvIXiF0_87U_JUig

the memes date back ages

[left prawn]

let me do it for you
https://fxtwitter.com/VideoArtGame/status/1791144492260532274

[potent otter]

https://fxtwitter.com/ELDENRING/status/1791468858106069215

https://fxtwitter.com/YasuhiroKitao/status/1791527563728425007

[left prawn]

ok theres no way that imagery is by mistake

[sturdy skiff]

what imagery?

[sour grail]

i hate sharks

[potent otter]

It's evocative of a uterus

[sturdy skiff]

ahhhhhhh

[left prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-celebration-joy-confetti-gif-25557730

[slate osprey]

Womb tat shaped like the guy above

[untold tendon]

https://gamerant.com/lies-of-p-dlc-release-when-2024/

[left prawn]

i stg if theres a whake boss called monstro

if i had a nickel for every souls dlc with whales

[crystal meteor]

how many dlcs have whales??

[left prawn]

bloodborne

as danny can atest

[sour grail]

death

[long flicker]

Aren’t they sharks

[sour grail]

i assumed so

[craggy dawn]

....oh right the Maya souls run

gonna be honest, completely forgot about it

[restive cradle]

wtf, Quelaaq's channel got fucking hacked

The ancient archives have been erased

[crystal meteor]

i forgot how much i dislike the sentinel blocking the way to leyndell

[left prawn]

option 2

twin gargoyles

[left prawn]

https://fxtwitter.com/gemahtreeuhh/status/1793295873520136676

[crystal meteor]

fixed all my leyndell problems by simply going to the moghwyn palace farming area early and pelted that dumb bird for an hour

[crystal meteor]

Lady Arclight looks Completely Normal dont worry about it

[sour grail]

15-20% on orphan

rip

[crystal meteor]

💪 making real progress

[potent pewter]

gotta love the crucible armor

[crystal meteor]

its just the right kind of drip

mixed with Good Fuckin Stats

[forest shard]

a really interesting lore thing about dark souls 3 - the player naturally assumes that the Firelink Shrine you wake up in is the "real" one, and the Untended Graves are some copy.
But the thing is, the Untended Graves actually physically exist alongside the rest of the world, while the Firelink you start at exists in some completely separate realm.
Since Gundyr is younger in the Untended Graves, and the Handmaid from Firelink remembers you showing up in the Untended Graves but not the other way around, this implies that the Firelink you start at is far in the future, and the Fire Keeper is sending you back in time when you teleport to the rest of the world.

[potent pewter]

I assume this was prompted by zullie pointing it out in her newest video?

[crystal meteor]

time being weird is a big part of ds3 iirc

[forest shard]

yes

[crystal meteor]

the opposite of a big bang is happening

[sour grail]

that does make sense since the untended graves are attached to the rest of the world

[stable lintel]

I think that DS3 did the time is “convoluted time aspect” the best especially when you factor in the Ring City DLC

[crystal meteor]

Yeah, and the final boss arena in the Ring City is like... the endgame point of it

[stable lintel]

Ok time for my tinfoil or minic-tear foil theory post on what we will or will not see in Shadow of the Erdtree
-DLC is basically Elden Ring 2 in terms of size, about as big as base Dark souls 3
-The seven NPCs all see Miqulla differently compared to the player with some seeing him in a more negative light. Of the Seven at least two will try to kill the player via questlines before the DLC ends
-Messmer isn't going to be the final boss, but rather||another envoy of an outer god Possibly the blood star/Formless Mother ||
-Miqulla is a legit good person, but plans keep getting screwed up by others unintentionally
-Godwyn will be referenced a lot but will not be a boss
-Miqulla and Malena's Shadow bound beast will be an NPC/boss
-Miqulla will not make any references to Melena or use of the needle in the DLC
-Messmer and Melina were the OG twins of Markia and Radagon
-Markia has sever father issues, as dad turn her into a vessel for greater will (see old man in portrait in gameplay trailer)
-Godskin knight "common boss"
-Golam eyed queen and godskins provided deeper examination, but the queen will not be a boss
-Messmer tried to burn the Edrtree once before using Melina which is why snakes are seen as bad and he was banished back to shadowlands
-Death blight was a condition before Godwyn, like scarlet rot
-St Trina is Miqulla's nightmares made manifest which is why they appear spooky on torch.
-Frenzy Flame/Sleep Dragons present
-Trick weapons in some form will be a surprising addition
-Male Caria royalty NPCs present unknown relationship

[crystal meteor]

Frenzy Dragon oh no

[tender orchid]

https://youtu.be/nP9EOmSFbvk?si=JKGYxH3i-nyuSqhK

[stable lintel]

Mini ||death right birds || god damn it LOL 😂

[crystal meteor]

Damn they 'fixed bows'

[long flicker]

Do bows actually deal damage now?

[stable lintel]

I can’t watch it now, but I’m reading these NPCs and they’re crazy backstories

[crystal meteor]

mostly joking cuz they ||just added other ranged weapons w/ no ammo like throwing knives and perfume bottles||

[long flicker]

Oh

[crystal meteor]

that said there could be good/better bows in the dlc! that'd be very neat

[stable lintel]

Having finally watched this, I can safely say some of my predictions are probably true Like ||Messmer trying to burn down the Erdtree before and Frenzy dragon possibly this Bayle(?!?)||

[sturdy skiff]

god some of the new weapon classes look so fucking sick

namely Light GS, Reverse Grip Swords, Martial Arts, Beast Claws, and Perfume Bottles

[tropic vigil]

Oh right the DLC is out

[potent pewter]

more sword classes

[tropic vigil]

I'll catch up soon guys! I just got to Anor Londo in DS1

[potent pewter]

the dlc is not out

[tropic vigil]

Oh thank god

I still have time

[tropic vigil]

Londor*

I just left the asylum 😭

[royal mauve]

Shadows of the erdtree-
||THE FUCKIN POSE ON THE LIGHT GS WEAPON ART POBPIRIPRE4JTOPE4KGPRDMPTEMBITE||

||Also the throwing axe seems awesome||

[crystal meteor]

something about getting Malenia down to 20% on the first try this file really feels good but damn, i fumbled it right at the end

[crystal meteor]

https://x.com/IronPineapple_/status/1798134891802173573

Iron Pineapple (@IronPineapple_) on X

(No spoilers)

I forgot to mention the biggest change with the Elden Ring DLC. They changed the background color of the Bandai Namco logo so you don’t get flashbanged when launching the game anymore.

Twitter · Jun 4, 2024, 11:29 PM

[royal mauve]

More very minor spoilers to this effect-
||I love that its called the Milady lol||
||Big Evelyn vibes||

[stable lintel]

I love this weapon I want it

[stable lintel]

Adding to my list of “predictions”
-Evil Alexander style Jar boss 🏺

[sour grail]

friede hard

[calm narwhal]

mfw when the scythe weilder deals death

[untold tendon]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1585180/Drova__Forsaken_Kin/

Steam

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[crystal meteor]

to the folks that suggested the crescent moon axe for ER: thank you, this run has been a blast; finally beat Malenia with it today

Golden Land weapon art is so juicy on it

[sour grail]

[potent pewter]

hell yeah

another crescent moon gamer joins

[royal mauve]

I love the moon axe's moveset but I wish it didn't look so silly
'big fuckoff axe' is my favorite weapon type but they're consistently worse than big fuckoff swords in most games I've played 😔

[potent pewter]

you don't like its visual design?

i think it's by far the prettiest greataxe

it's mostly worse mathematically than the longhaft, beyond its unique r2

(which is really good)

[crystal meteor]

all bosses except elden beast done, ready for dlc

[royal mauve]

The really thin blade and long beard make it look uhhhhh
Flimsy
I much prefer the basic greataxe visually
Its a big thick wedge carved with runic patterns and shit

But alas its moveset is 'oops all overhead slams'

[crystal meteor]

im a simple man, my fave weapons overall are like, base Longsword

[bitter ridge]

Dark Souls 1 Claymore my beloved

[potent pewter]

i'll admit base greataxe looks excellent too

[royal mauve]

This reminds me
I'm sad the only ash of war infusable greatspear is the Lance
I wish there was something more like the Treespear where its like
Spear But Large
I am using a lance with glintstone pebble to great effect but

[potent pewter]

I'm still mad that all of the native blood infusions are sword-locked

[crystal meteor]

what are some other fun underused weapons...

ive done like, moonveil+moonwife sword, spiked caestus, and og longsword

and now the moon axe

[calm narwhal]

moonveil is NOT underused

crucible knight weapons are fun

[crystal meteor]

just listing it in what ive done

sorry for any confusion

[calm narwhal]

ah

[potent pewter]

marika's hammer

[calm narwhal]

Elden blade or whatever its called

[flint pike]

Not everyone uses it, therefore, it's not underused!

That's 8math*

[flint pike]

@crystal meteor Have you considered doing a strength/faith build with a Cinqueda + Clawmark seal & Bestial incanations?

Or just make a true samurai build - Uchi + Wakizashi, have a bow

[crystal meteor]

Ooo that sounds fun

[royal mauve]

Have you tried the Highlanders axe yet?
Take it, roar medallion, jar shard
Then slap beasts roar on it
You now have a gun
And a really good axe natch

[sturdy skiff]

sacred relic sword iirc

if you mean the sword that funny slug makes out of radagon

[granite bluff]

So what're the best PvE Weapons atm?

[calm narwhal]

moonveil is still a monster

[flint pike]

Honestly "Lots" seems to be the answer

Anything with a powerful art of war - Blasphmeous Blade to just name one example - is a winner

Anything with bleed does extremely well for 90% of the game, and a lot of bleed weapons can easily switch to being Occult for still excellent AR scaling when you're dealing with bleed immune stuff

[dense compass]

And the Bloodhound Fang is an hour 1 weapon. Hell, that thing is almost too easy an option.

[flint pike]

Crescenet Moon Axe or Axe of Godfrey c ome well recommended if you put the effort in, being really nasty greataxes (and CMA can get t he excellent Stormcaller Art of war)

I'm running around as a pure dex build in PvE using a Keen Guardian Swordspear with Stormcaller, and I'm a meanace

pure physical builds can play with the greases a lot, which is a big bit of fun in PvE - they add a chunk of base damage, so any fast attacking weapon with a grease is monstrous.

and fire grease works in like 80% of cases and is Very Easy to make

Lightning Grease is a bit later in the game (Since you gotta get to atlus plateu somehow), but is also very strong in a lot of cases - if something's strong vs fire, it'll usually be weak to lighting

and then there's stuff like Blood Grease etc if you're running Bloodhounds or similar

Something fun to consider is Guard counters, if you've never done that.

Colossal weapons iwth guard counters can be esp hilarious, you two hand, take a bit of chip damage and then KA-BONK

Notably, if you wanna do that, consider:
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Greathorn+Hammer

As it heals on kill ontop of being a great hammer

[royal mauve]

I might also suggest the bolt of granssax
Simply because it can kill most things before they are a threat

[crystal meteor]

i did enjoy the crescent moon axe, its chunky and made my faith build a lot better.

AoE is really nice in a lot of PvE, so if you can either equip a nice AoE art or its something like the Sword of Night Flame youre gucci

[sour grail]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-orphan-of-kos-gif-18777982

[tropic vigil]

Oh right I need to like

Power through at least DS1

Then do DS3 with a mod to gay marry Anri

And then look into gay marrying in Elden Ring

[sour grail]

orphan is kabooming me

i went to go fight laurence instead but realized i was missing his skull

[untold tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRrYsiahEm4

[potent pewter]

https://fixvx.com/DevotionOath/status/1798496366567776542

[crystal meteor]

timeless classic

[stable lintel]

This channel about to get so much traffic soon. I promise as a vow to help anyone here if they’re stuck on a puzzle/quest in the DLC.

[calm narwhal]

assuming you dont get stuck

[royal mauve]

Anyone got recs for good armor for the Onyx Lord's Greatsword? Most of the gold armor doesn't look great
The Cleanrot set is clllllloooooooose but a lil too pale
The OLG is the best weapon for my int character atm

[stable lintel]

The only time I’ve been stuck was with the ring city puzzle there was no way to figure that one out yet someone did, I was worried that Elden ring was going to have similar puzzles but it didn’t but after hearing about ||forge dungeons || in the dlc I definitely think something coming that’s just as obtuse

[stable lintel]

Lyndal knight set?

[royal mauve]

I tried that too- a closer fit shadewise but still rough
I think I settled on 'cleanrot and grit my teeth'

[calm narwhal]

d's armor?

[stable lintel]

I’m a simple Jack give me the raging wolf or basic knight set and I’m set

[willow ocean]

You need to kill satan to access Shadow of the Erdtree, right?

[long flicker]

Real Mohg yeah

[stable lintel]

You will also need to Kill Rhadan as well

[willow ocean]

Aye, I have currently did most things before the great blasphemy.

Cardinal sin rather.

[stable lintel]

Gotcha just wanted to be sure 👍

[willow ocean]

And currently where I'm staying before the release. Waiting.

[bitter ridge]

I keep feeling I might want to restart because my main character is sort of locked in a no-Melina space at the moment and idk if that will be relevant

Well not restart but just make a new char for the DLC but that's so much content t'do

[crystal meteor]

It'll be neat to see the mohg steam achievement percentage rise

Im considering camping out outside of mohg for summons duty

[long flicker]

Am I crazy or did the godslayer's greatsword's ash of war's poise get nerfed at some point

It feels like everything knocks me out of it

[crystal meteor]

i know pvp poise got a big update a while back, not sure about pve

but wiki comments seem to say that something in patch 1.10.1 seemed to have nerfed its poise

[calm narwhal]

https://fxtwitter.com/Ariamis_arts/status/1800353329748615367?t=HvwYjyEXeXD6Xz1KYGezxg&s=19

[tropic vigil]

Why make two bad bitches fight?

[long flicker]

Welp back to a quality build it is then

[willow ocean]

oh I did that earlier

recently and back when requirements were announced

[tender orchid]

NGL seeing the giant fire makes me think at least part of a fire giant was used in its construction

[graceful sinew]

there's no way to convert an NG+ save back into an NG save is there?

I'm probably not gonna have a save ready by the time shadow of the erdtree comes out

[tender orchid]

Sounds like you're gonna have to speedrun to Mohg

[potent pewter]

i'm going to be out of town when shadow of the erdtree comes out

[potent pewter]

https://fixvx.com/GPrime85/status/1800606708039074282?t=VEkTTTqdWFZ07DO0jHz-aw&s=19

[flint pike]

I should actually go thump Mohg on this new playthrough

weridly, I just now have a shiny +25 Guardian Swordspear

Woinder what i'll use that for.

sounds of dex based violence intensify

[graceful sinew]

yeah lol it's gonna be rough

i might just take my ng+ build in cause it sounds like the difficulty clamping mechanism means the game won't be too easy even if you're overleveled

[flint pike]

"Yeah that's true, but I'm pretty sure we reached the limits of that line of thinking when speaking of a world ruled by a despotic space slug basically enslaving reality, and generations upon generations of people, to its will, and where nearly everyone/everything is dead, undead, or decaying. "

This just makes me laugh as summaries of elden ring go

[crystal meteor]

its been nice getting a lot of free souls sitting outside mohg's place with a summon sign

[bitter ridge]

He's a fun boss for co-op tbh, slow swings give you a lot of time for chicanery when you aren't personally waiting for the delay

And you can tell when you help a new person over a mountain

[crystal meteor]

its been nice with my healing-faith build while still smacking him around with big axe

i just pop the healing over time spell and then chuck lightning and hit with my axe weapon art

[bitter ridge]

I had a good time meteoring 'em during phase transition

Rarely a boss evolves a hitbox big enough for that

[flint pike]

...

I... i am incredibly sad

I two shot Malenia.

[tender orchid]

...Wait what?

[flint pike]

I was expecting a challenge!

I thought i'd have to work for it!

Instead i just rolled her >.>

[tender orchid]

How?!

[flint pike]

Swordspear + STormcaller

Mimic tear also helped, but like... yeah, she can't do shit against keen swordspear and stormcaller

It just staggerlocks her

[long flicker]

I assume you mean you two tried her?

[flint pike]

Yeah, two attempts took her out

i died on the first one because she spawned right ointop of me cos of the cutscene

and then when i went okay, let's see how a proper attempt goes

uh, she got pinnedi n a corner and beaten to death for her first phase

dodged scarlet aeonia and then second phase same as the first

I didn't even use my physik flask or anything >.>

[bitter ridge]

Yeaaaah she's real susceptible to stagger, and Mimic Tear remains the strongest summon

Still impressive to not die to some of her more distant attacks and phase 2 nonsense

[flint pike]

Mimic tear's real strength imho is... it costs health

Like that alone makes it so fucking good

[bitter ridge]

It's also just insanely strong

It's both

[flint pike]

and scales directly with the fact that the better build optimizer you are (and i'd say i'm pretty good)

the better it gets

like my mimic tear is copying a 51 poise, Turtle shell on my back, two-handed Keen Swordspear +25 with Milicent's, Rotten Winged, Green Turtle and DRagoncrest Greatshield - aka, i'm an absoloute tank with monstrous AR

764 AR atm

[bitter ridge]

this probably contributed to the malenia woes

[flint pike]

YEP

[bitter ridge]

as it gets like 3x your health if you level the tear

[flint pike]

It was pretty funny to just go "...oh, she's dead"

ik guess i should do the classy thing

and put my sign down

and help out some others

[flint pike]

Thank you though! I am happy i thumped her, just like, oh, i really expected to sweat not just "yep, she be dead"

Borealis of the fog killed me more ;.; (Borealis and the other dragons are just bad fights though)

[bitter ridge]

They just need horse strats, they're better than other Soulslike dragons by miles

Well, they're mostly similar, just we now have a magic doublejump goat

[flint pike]

Even then! I think Soulslike is at it's best with human-equiv bosses, and the big show off bosses are often very unfun, partially because of the camera controls

[flint pike]

There's a lot I love about the games, but they've got some really horrible UI and UX experiences, the camera being one of the worst things (esp when you come from stuff like monster Hunter that has a really strong set of camera controls)

[bitter ridge]

See I love the UI but yeaaah, camera can be cursed sometimes. I run into trouble in catacombs more'n world bosses though

doubly so for 'we jammed a wretched tree snake into this catacomb, as a prank'

[graceful sinew]

they've gotten better at spectacle bosses but they need to make them all spectacle tbh

like ice worm and divine dragon were great fights

[sour grail]

agreed

ludwig p2 and orphan feel pretty tight and more soulslike

on the other hand there's like

One Reborn
Living Failures

[flint pike]

I find too many turn into ankle hacking simulator. You did all this lovely work on the fire giant and then he's off screen most of the time

[graceful sinew]

yeah fire giant is one of the ones i'd say is bad

they kind of need a gimmick to anchor it -- ice worm would have been dogshit if the only damage you could do was to its face and it didn't have the railgun stun

[willow ocean]

I at least appreciate that with fire giant we eventually hack into it's ankle so much it actually breaks.

Been putting down my summon sign for Mohg and just pelting him with boulders.

[flint pike]

I should go help with mohg

[willow ocean]

Stone of Gurranq has such nice stance damage.

[flint pike]

Maybe I'll go beat up Dragonlord and then just go look ma! I'm a stormcloud!

[willow ocean]

I'm somewhat hesitant to go through with the Cardinal Sin since it's a big world state change before dlc.

[flint pike]

Speaking of, there's one boss who isn't bad, but how he's used make me very sad, and that's falling star beast

[willow ocean]

It's likely nothing, with dlc being all new area(?). But for now I'm stopping just after fire giant.

[flint pike]

Because the impact he would have had if the first time you fought him is getting ontop of that mountain and then what the fucking fuck

Instead he's in an arena that doesn't suit him, and just randomly in the world earlier and it's very 😦

[flint pike]

Iirc the world state only updates once you dunk on black blade, it's fine before then

[calm narwhal]

fun fact throwing rocks at people to make them fall down works in real life too

[willow ocean]

Oh ye I feel that a bit. First saw him in a small chamber in the mine you get teleport trapped into.

[flint pike]

Gurranq says fuck the police

[willow ocean]

Small arena where it can't even run around.

[flint pike]

I like Elden ring a lot, but it needed a stronger editor

[willow ocean]

"Try it, consider it." eeehh probably

[flint pike]

There's just too much and it really hampers itself with the copy pasted bosses

A lot of whom aren't even good copy pastes. I think the tree spirits still have the bug where if you posture break them when they phase change, their ai breaks

Because they are trying to use the AI for the wrong phase

[willow ocean]

There might be a bit too many fallingstar beasts, but it's not as bad as with some others.

[flint pike]

And at least one can kill you with its grab but shoving you out of bounds, or shoving your ashes out of bounds with its grab

Tree spirits are extra weird, because they seem to have been designed as an overland boss, and make a ton of sense when you fight them on your horse

[willow ocean]

Ulcerated tree spirits after the world change just being everywhere felt like mockery.

[flint pike]

But the catacombs do them zero favours and they're all over there

Much easier if you just take a good Shield and guard counter them

Turtle Shield with your built in barricade that even acts as a block when activating, you rock

[willow ocean]

I think just due to how many tree spirits there are I can just reliably dodge 100% of their attacks save for phase change ground explosions (I'm bad at noticing them under me)

[flint pike]

My reflexes are iffy, and I always struggle with souls timing

I'm used to monster Hunter/Character action games where dodging is somewhat reactive+ let's you cancel animations

While soulslikes are a proactive defence where you have to plan ahead, and I'm not great at that

[willow ocean]

Heavy shield plus Barricade skill into guard counters with something heavy is very good in ER

[flint pike]

And I will always, always grumble about how shit the feedback on parrying is, with no way to easily tell if you're just missing the timing slightly or if it literally can't be parried

[willow ocean]

Oh I never got good at parrying to actually do it in Souls/Elden ring.

[graceful sinew]

yeah the boss reuse did hurt the game in the long run i feel. i mean there are plenty of bosses that are fine to reuse but they went a bit overboard with it

[flint pike]

(the way the parrying relies on colliding frames together is also iffy)

Otoh when you do parry Nights Calvary and dump them on their ass is very funny

[graceful sinew]

i learned parrying in sekiro but never got confident with it in souls

[willow ocean]

I will pick something with parry, fail a bunch, finally get a parry.

And go - nice, time to put it down.

[graceful sinew]

it's probably a mindset thing - i don't need to use it so i'll just default to the safer roll/block

[flint pike]

I honestly think they needed to probably cut Caelid, maybe even mountaintop of the Giants

[graceful sinew]

caelid as a whole? Caelid was probably the most memorable area imo

[flint pike]

Or make Caelid actually link directly to the underground and expand that.

[graceful sinew]

mountaintop i can agree with

[willow ocean]

Deflect is Sekiro is a lot clearer compared to parry in other souls game I think

[flint pike]

It's memorable visually, but very awkward interns of gameplay flow

[willow ocean]

Boss reuse makes sense if you go from perspective of a player that will not try to find everything.

Maybe.

I did painfully "had to" comb through every location.

[flint pike]

I think they would have been better to have a more distinct limgrave -> overland route (Liurnia, mt gelid, atlus)

And an underground route (Caelid, to underground area, to atlus)

[graceful sinew]

i think most players are going to try to get the most out of their games, at least this type of game

[calm narwhal]

missing parry in sekiro still blocks

thats the reason

[graceful sinew]

failed parries in souls still have a partial block mechanic for a few frames too, don't they?

[calm narwhal]

uuuhhh

[flint pike]

What I would have done with Caelid is actually make the area sunken - like play up that Malenia and Radahms clash has turned the entire area into a giant sunken area, and you travel down it and then into the underworld proper

I think they really missed a trick earth expanding the underworld and it's interlinks to the overworld, but w/e

[calm narwhal]

yes

but few frames aint alot of time

[flint pike]

Yes, you have a proper pparry, and then there's a failed parry where you take damage but reduced

[calm narwhal]

and then youre back to being fucked

[flint pike]

Unfortunately "failed parry" and "can't parry" are literally the same feedback

You know you missed the parry entirely when you just take full damage, but there's a sound cue and partial for a failed

[calm narwhal]

and taking any damage is usually a failure in souls

[long flicker]

He kinda is the police though

[flint pike]

That's why we kill him. We're anti cop here in The lands between

Anarchy in the UK!

Wait, hang on

[calm narwhal]

he also isnt a fan of himself

[flint pike]

Ish? Like there's a reason 60 vig is standard. And having the poise + HP to tank a hit as you wind up is a big deal.

[calm narwhal]

its standard cause 60 vig is in 3-4 shot range

at least in mountains

[flint pike]

That and the fall of past 60 vig is hilarious

[willow ocean]

Think I've mostly been doing 50. Feels comfy enough for me.

[flint pike]

6 HP per level of vig after 60 or worse iirc

[willow ocean]

On my 4ish runs(?)

[flint pike]

You're only missing about 100hp there iirc

So 50 is fine

Anything more than 60 is just a waist

Waste*

[willow ocean]

4 runs, 3 age of stars endings, unless new ending with DLC probably the 4th as well

[flint pike]

My 150 ss build is wretch start, 60 vig, 15 mind, 70 Dex (+5 from Millicents), and the rest dumped into end for flexibility

Oh, and 18 str

Which is enough for all the cool Dex weapons I care about

Mainly the flexibility is it lets me wear some heavier armour for the drip/resistances, or use the pulley crossbow, or carry misericode etc

Just a whole set of nice options I can whip out

Surprise katars are always nice in pvp

I had a funny earlier where I got summoned to stop a red, ran past them an engaged the cleanrot Knight, and the red was all I've got Penguin! Rushes in.

Penguin: I active stormcall, catostrophically owning you and the clean rot

... Then the host pancakes then with the sledgehammer. It was great

[willow ocean]

Doing arcane currently so I'm mostly annoying invaders with bees! swarm of flies or jumping in with arcane twinblade.

Surprisingly a lot of people get caught with Eleonora's twinblade weapon art, especially the retreating second half.

[flint pike]

BEEEES

That's such a fun spell

[willow ocean]

Not the best for damage but in pvp it's such a good harassment tool

[untold tendon]

https://fxtwitter.com/Liesofp/status/1801071996916437225

[calm narwhal]

https://fxtwitter.com/ShitpostRock/status/1801151014344495412?t=BBbKAMuahHLky5dqWJ7kMw&s=19

[long flicker]

There's something very funny about how transporter traps/the four belfries can make your map end up looking like this

[calm narwhal]

the marks of your blunders

[formal veldt]

Trying to farm out some weapons but they just are not dropping:[

[flint pike]

This is why I'm a big propent of just using cheat engine to drop this stuff in while you're offline. Saves you a lot of sanity

[rugged raft]

Most wholesome Elden Ring Invasion

Went up against these two guys, I stopped right before fighting them

One of them did an emote

I was trying to figure out how do do it back

We did the jumping thing of friendship

Then I had what was basically an honour duel with the host

Lost by a hair but it was a damn good fight

[flint pike]

Hear me out: Vigor is a bad stat and should be removed fro mteh game. And your HP should just... naturally go up as you level

This post broguht to you by the fact it's really easy for players to screw themselves by not leveling vigor, it's not actually providing an interesting build choice (You want 40, and you probably want 50 or 60, you almost certainy dont evenr want anything more than that), and the way weapon upgrades work you can just... get your minium reqs for your weapon, make sure you arent fat rolling, then level vigor for X boring levels.

[crystal meteor]

I like leveling Vigor, its a tangible core bonus and you can choose to forgo it for a risk-reward situation

[bitter ridge]

I wouldn't mind if you got a small touch of health like y'do with defenses but you could invest more

It does feel somewhat of a tax at some point

[untold tendon]

hot take I think soulsborne stats are bad period and sekiro did the right thing by dumping them

they're needlessly granular, extremely easy to screw yourself on, and encourage really boring builds because you find a thing that scales with X so why bother putting points in other damage stats

[crystal meteor]

this was a sekiro turn-off for me

Sekiro doesn't have a good way of "I am walled here, so I will go and do some other stuff and get my stats and equipment up to help me here", which i enjoy in the stat-system soulsbornes

[bitter ridge]

Yeah I like the handcrafted nature of stat-having, something would feel off if it was just gear swapping

[crystal meteor]

Sekiro is a really cool experience but its also my least-favorite of the fromsofts for some of those reasons

[granite bluff]

I personally think it works in Sekiro due to how tight Sekiro is mechanically

But it wouldn't work in Dark Souls or Elden Ring or whatever

[flint pike]

I actually agree with you broadly, however I think they're fun to level up bit by bit, and really good for thematic reasons

[long flicker]

Honestly I kinda like the stats system, but having to respec if I want to try out something that doesn’t fit my build sucks

Weapon upgrades on the other hand are annoying as hell

[last bronze]

numbers going up makes my brain tingly

i love everything about sekiro but also i don't mind being told i must be this tall to go on the Xargatan Greatblade of Resigned Ennui ride

[flint pike]

Like, from a pure game dream perspective, yeah Elden ring stats are bad

But from more ludonarrative perspectives, they're very fitting, and psychologically a lot of players really love the incremental gains feeling - the experience they provide is valuable (even if again, I think vigor is a mistake).

I think you could stand to clean up stuff a bunch still, there's various improvements that could be made

But stats still have a place

[untold tendon]

I think stuff like poe big trees etc work much better

because then you're pathing to specific buffs picking up other random stuff along the way

like dark souls has to do weird hardcoded scaling limits you have to Just Know About otherwise there's no reason to not put all your points into strength cause you have a big sword or whatever

meanwhile in poe just heading to strength nodes means you probably pick up other stuff long the way etc etc

like

the alternative to dark souls' stats isn't "sekiro" it's like every other rpg system in the world

even dota got rid of just levelling stats in favor of talent trees and stuff

[bitter ridge]

See I feel so opposite about POE, that style encourages even more hard-core build following, you can get so absolutely screwed in trees, requires so much knowledge of the game

Its also just a lot to read and I like doing that but Gamers(TM) tend to... well, AKI is currently like 60% of a popularity poll in Sf6 because she's first on the list alphabetically

[untold tendon]

the mechanics are in the game in poe, something I can't say about soulsborne games

like yeah it's complicated but you only need to really dive deep into the complexity if you wanna max out some hyper specific optimal build or whatever

and the little nodes do everything they say they do

the 'soft scaling caps' etc are just, like, community word of mouth tribal knowledge stuff

I remember playing bloodborne on my gf's playstation once, she wanted to see me play it, and when I levelled up I looked at the stats and decided to level bloodtinge cause it sounded cool

and she had to jump in and stop me

[bitter ridge]

I feel like Bloodborne's a unique situation compared to like ER :|a, there's different tiers of murkiness and balance, you're not wrong though. Though soft cap stuff really only gets encountered once you're deep in the games, and you can at least see the stat giving less of a boost when you level..

[untold tendon]

it's really not that deep

like I started playing lies of p and immediately had to turn to my cule's fromsoft veterans and the were like "okay you should level the health stat to N and then level a damage stat to X, which is probably 30 or 40 let's google it"

???

like the amount of heuristic knowledge you're just supposed to know is kinda nuts

[bitter ridge]

i've gotten through all these games

[untold tendon]

it's a game for people who've been wiki walking and trained by their elders

[bitter ridge]

not looking up squat about stats

and caps

[potent pewter]

ime it was really easy to fuck up build pathing in poe too, though

[bitter ridge]

which is why i'm foggy on it

[potent pewter]

I agree that fromsoft stat stuff is oblique and fucky, but I don't think poe's skill tree is the answer for something easier

because it has more trap skills and less direction

and more hyperspecificity

it's something I like as a weird little goblin creature

[bitter ridge]

i don't think there's rightly a way to fuck yourself over in a fromsoft unless you like.. only level.. endurance, or something, it's not 100% clear but the stats are there and the items tell ya what they need.. idk, there's room for both

[potent pewter]

but I've seen a ton of people get super overwhelmed by the poe tree

or go in the same poor directions as in From games by just going "I want to do everything, I'll take all stats"

[untold tendon]

fair enough, I don't think the poe system is the greatest system ever myself

[potent pewter]

and giving themselves a ton of grief

[untold tendon]

I prefer old trees like the ones for diablo 2 etc, but I can understand dismissing that cause it was class based

[potent pewter]

I think the PoE tree is easier for someone already familiar with its interface

[bitter ridge]

frenzyflame giving you the look

[potent pewter]

because it's all front-end

but it's harder for a new player

[untold tendon]

I just think "6 unexplained stats that work on mathematical formulas with 5 digit granularity" is like. not the winning strategy

[potent pewter]

because instead of "level your choice of these stats that do this"

[untold tendon]

I think my favorite system ever in this open world rpg space was honestly Outward

Outward had no stats, no trees

you just had to go places

[potent pewter]

it's "follow this byzantine path and do esoteric mapping fuckery"

[untold tendon]

and learn stuff

[bitter ridge]

If outward had a respec option, S++, please, sequel

[untold tendon]

from people

[potent pewter]

outward's progression is great yeah

[untold tendon]

the only way to learn magic is to find the cool shaman guy and ask him

and that honestly fucked

strong exploration layer

every new land is a whole new set of build options

[potent pewter]

there are a bunch of magic types and all of them require different fuckery

[untold tendon]

yeah

[potent pewter]

but all of them start with "go drink from the MAGIC SUGAR MOUNTAIN"

which is great

[untold tendon]

and tbf there were some like "stat" skills too which was fine and good

[bitter ridge]

'The fuck is Adaptability'

[untold tendon]

like you could go to the dude in your village and learn basic goddamn fitness

so you have a decent stamina bar

[untold tendon]

one of my favorite outward moments was like. till and I heard a rumor of some crazy wind shaman guy beyond the ghost pass and we were like... maybe we should go find him? cause till's a wizard?

and one adventure later cause fuck the ghost pass, we did find him

[potent pewter]

god, that fucking zone

[untold tendon]

and he was like "arcane magic is for bitches, check out harnessing the natural world around us" and till was so utterly enchanted

and he became a shaman

[potent pewter]

not knowing what corruption was

[untold tendon]

and that was so cool

[potent pewter]

and then just

[untold tendon]

yeah the horrible radiation poisoning

[potent pewter]

randomly instantly dying

[untold tendon]

outward went so hard

[potent pewter]

and going ?????+?+?;?5?;;!!!

[bitter ridge]

My build was decided the instant I talked to that merchant and went 'the fuck do you mean this game has a pistol in it'

[untold tendon]

we never died to the corruption but like, running into damage you simply cannot heal ever (not quite true) was so spooky to us in the early story

[potent pewter]

I played a corruptionmancer

with all lightning and the blood magic

[bitter ridge]

that was my second character, blood is so FUN

[potent pewter]

90% baby

every time

[untold tendon]

when we realized "oh ashley is gonna have 12/100 corruption forever no matter how much she rests cause she touched ONE magical uranium bauble" put the fear of god into us

[potent pewter]

blood bullet fucks

[bitter ridge]

the most exhausted character of all time

For Power

[untold tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwtnfxkFzQE

[formal veldt]

Don't suppose anyone here might have a spare beastman cleaver?

[flint pike]

Are you on PC ?

[willow ocean]

"You are nothing withou Two Fish, One Fish!"

[granite bluff]

Turgle

I wanna level up for the DLC but I don't have enough energy to play atm

[crystal meteor]

Sending you my energy so you may kill albernaurics

[granite bluff]

I've only beaten Godrick so far\

[crystal meteor]

Close enough to getting there i believe in you

[graceful sinew]

yeah i'm in the same boat

thankfully the game itself is pretty fun and a lot easier your second time through (not even on an ng+ build)

[crystal meteor]

I've gotten a few characters ready by cheesing the level system via albernauric death near mohgwyn since you can get there absurdly early

[graceful sinew]

what, just get to moghwyn palace approach and wait for the absurd blood albinaurics to walk off the ledges or something?

[last bronze]

the normal ones also give a lot of runes

if you have aoe spells or a large weapon you can kill a lot of them very quickly, and even if you accidentally die to the bonewheel skeletons red ones then you just pick up your runes and start again

[potent pewter]

is that really any faster than the bird farm?

[crystal meteor]

bird farm is good until you get enough damage to kill the sleepy guys

you dont even need to start killing all of them tbh, you can reliably kill 2-3 sleepy ones before a red one aggros

but also i just hate timing the bow shot lmao the stupid tree is always in the way

bird farm is def 0 risk tho thats why its better at lower levels

[flint pike]

If you're on PC, going offline and using cheat engine. Simpler and sanerer than the farming

[crystal meteor]

Its fun to watch the number go up, especially damage in real time

[bitter ridge]

What's more simple than exploding 20,000 frogmen

[flint pike]

That is also fair! Just wanted to point out it's an option

[crystal meteor]

It is, but I am generally averse to using cheats in an online-capable game for safety reasons.

to be clear i am not averse to it since its fundamentally the same to me as like, genning in competitive pokemon, youll get to the same result whether you spend the time or not

i just dont trust myself to not fuck it up and get a random ban or w/e

[flint pike]

Valid. The way elden ring works, at least, you can make it quite safe - as long as you arent online in the game, and you don't go online with anything illegal to have chated in (Dummied out items, or obviously fucked up character stats) you won't get hit.

Cheating in weapons, etc, works fine as long as you're offline.

[sour grail]

[sturdy skiff]

DLC preview spoiler: one of the new incantations shown off in the redbull streams was ||PEST THREAD SPEAR||

or well idk if it was 'shown off' but i caught it like

pausing while a guy was scrolling through his spells

[calm narwhal]

but what about the hot jar man

[willow ocean]

Soon.

Soon!

[royal mauve]

Did you see it in action 👁️
Or just the name

If I can get one self indulgent pick, I want an actual projectile version of frozen lightning
I love that stuff but the ground stab is just
Poor

[sturdy skiff]

just name. the spell icon in the ui stuck out to me when I saw it for a split second so I went back and did the ol' pause/unpause mash until I paused on the spell being cycled through in the ui

[royal mauve]

Oh, fextra is starting to get a trickle of stuff too
Not gonna go off too much cuz of spoilers but
One incantation makes me Very Happy

[willow ocean]

At least they buffed up poise on longer casts

At launch I think pretty much anything would throw you out of longer incantation animations.

[calm narwhal]

fun fact

[graceful sinew]

not surprised

the dlc has historically been the best part of any fromsoft game

[calm narwhal]

first dlc to get GOTY

[stable lintel]

Same

[crystal meteor]

Somehow, despite this disjointed nature, I was still astounded at what I discovered. But I mention the word exhausting often, because “Elden Ring” demands much of its audience, whether it’s through the skill required, the mental acuity to push through hard challenges, or the literary sensibility to understand a nonlinear narrative logic. Some of the most important areas of the game key to understanding the story are hidden in obscure passageways and require a keen eye and good spatial awareness.

This rules

https://fixupx.com/GenePark/status/1803065612807069945?t=4ZAA5vSPwlXHv2mVHrJbmQ&s=19

[royal mauve]

Eeeeeek
I am having conniption fits
I want it...... Milady......

[sturdy skiff]

saw some Leak stuff I will not repeat here

but yeah the map looks big af

[last bronze]

man i need to figure out how to be a wizard

i am just really struggling to find a way to be first and foremost a wizard when i can just stab them with an upgraded weapon and they die a lot faster and more safely

[crystal meteor]

Step 1: beard

Step 2: rocks

[crystal meteor]

This is written like souls dialogue

[royal mauve]

TRUE

Voice seen emanating from a transparent white hollow near Impaler's Catacombs

[last bronze]

i have the rocks and the rocks stick, i also have a +4 sword of saint trina and it makes the people fall down in a much more practical fashion

[crystal meteor]

Thats a funny sword

I cant weigh in much im not much of a caster player myself

[royal mauve]

I use magic mostly to pull and also thin dudes out from safety usually
Like, glintstone arc can chew up groups, pebble can lure people while doing damage, so on
I think the plain truth is that largely speaking, faith/int/arcane builds will be Stabbing With Smartness most of the time and supplementing with spells

Funnily enough I wind up relying on spells more when using incantations over glintstone, despite incantations ostensibly being the 'jock spells'
Cuz stuff like Lightning Spear and Frenzied Burst has a higher chance of killing someone in one shot that most sorceries, which are better at being spammed

[last bronze]

i recently levelled a dex/faith kinda guy for the dlc and generally found the damage pretty uninspiring until i got, uh, ancient dragon's lightning strike

[crystal meteor]

The endgame spells are fun, the black blade incantation makes me feel so cool

[last bronze]

and now it suddenly does something

[calm narwhal]

step 1.9 the special stick for rocks

[calm narwhal]

its best for going where you arent supposed to yet

rock spamming to get moonveil early is a fan favorite

[royal mauve]

honestly, frenzied burst is by far what I use the most 😭
I could do all those big unpredictable booms, or I could simply shoot them with a gun

[crystal meteor]

I just like lightning

https://tenor.com/view/memes-dark-souls-lightning-happy-souls-spam-gif-21840830

[royal mauve]

True
Lightning is very cool
One of the incantations shown off in the preview streams has got me like
Frothing at the mouth

I will post it in spoilers because I NEED to talk about it

||Knight's Lightning Spear||
||You charge up and huck a lightning spear like normal... then a big ass summon sword ring of floating lightning spears appears around you and homes in on what you hit after a delay||
||Like a weird hybrid between lightning spear and the glintstone phalanxes||

[long flicker]

👀

[last bronze]

i can scarcely believe they are implementing an actual quality of life feature in the inventory

[long flicker]

ikr

[last bronze]

i'm sure some (other) grognard is going to be out there saying that having to either painstakingly go through every tab to find the new thing you picked up or just resort to googling it is an essential part of the soulslike experience in accordance with the Bielefeld interpretation and this feature means elden ring is not only no longer a soulslike, but actually for casuals

[crystal meteor]

Recent Items... holy crap

[last bronze]

yeah i need this at least as much as i need the expansion

[crystal meteor]

This makes up for the incoming swamps

[calm narwhal]

i need this for the expansion

[royal mauve]

I like new hair 😌

[graceful sinew]

yes.....ha ha ha.....yes!

[calm narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[royal mauve]

Alright, preorder locked in
Boiling slightly

[granite bluff]

Supposedly the Martial Arts are similar to the Bone Fist from DS2

[sturdy skiff]

oh shit are those dreads?

[chrome glade]

Getting ready for DLC, so need to completely revamp my character ofc

Thinking Dex/Faith/Arc Whip build

Throw on Bloodflame Blade for spice, and need some kind of bleed range option

[last bronze]

throwing knives, discus of light, holy pots

checking walls and light fixtures in case they have chicken in them

[chrome glade]

There we go, Undead Paladin as a RL150 Dex/Faith/Arc Bloodflame Bladed Keen Urumi with a Burred Bolt Pulley Crossbow. Armor is Royal Remains Helm, Depraved Perfumer Robe, Briar Gauntlets, and Nox Greaves

DLC Ready o7

[calm narwhal]

Lord everyone is getting ready to storm the beaches

[noble plover]

I still gotta beat Mohg this week before the DLC drops

This is going to be my first time actually fighting him and I am mildly concerned

[last bronze]

it's fine, don't worry

just beat him up

i honestly have as much trouble with those rapier fuckers on the way up than i do with him

[noble plover]

My sense of difficulty is probably a bit skewed from the time I've spent repeatedly bouncing off of Malenia 😅

I think I'll be fine though

[last bronze]

uhhh yeah you have nothing to worry about

if you've gotten to malenia then the fight is going to go 'impressive speech > you beat him to death'

[crystal meteor]

Hes a fun fight imo, keeps you moving

If you summon a 'Sweet Reiko' for help against Mohg, dats me

[chrome glade]

Tip for mogh is just, bring the correct items (moghs shackle, the Purifying Crystal Tear), and stack up on Burst Damage

You have to Burst him down in his long ass phase transition

Also, for some reason he's pretty weak to Bleed

[crystal meteor]

Blood for the blood god!

[last bronze]

he's weak to bleed but he allegedly has a little enrage when someone has recently lost blood, including him

[chrome glade]

I remember I struggled super hard on Mogh and then one time me and two summons DPSd so hard that we had a second phase with just a sliver of HP left

[calm narwhal]

dont forget the special soda

[chrome glade]

It's not too uncommon for Mogh to just not get his second phase lol

[calm narwhal]

and theres a suprise tool in the sewer

[chrome glade]

The special soda is all important

Praise the Purifying Crystal Tear

[crystal meteor]

His second phase is too cool to miss imo

[calm narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/big-kamehameha-gogeta-blue-dragon-ball-super-broly-gif-18316399

counterpoint

[flint pike]

Man, i just cannot find a weapon i like for an arcane build

it doesent help it fels like arcane is super hard gated to being later game, becuase Vigor tax, and then various otehr stuff

[crystal meteor]

I liked good ole Reduvia

[flint pike]

It's just not clicking for me. I dunno, nothing qutie feels right and it's frustrating as hell 😦

[graceful sinew]

i just beat radahn yesterday no way am i gonna beat mohg in time

[bitter ridge]

Could just Occult-ify something, yeah?

[flint pike]

@graceful sinew I mean, we can probably all help you zerg Moghy moo

[flint pike]

I have been! nothing feels right! (Well, as much as i can, i dont have tghe black whetstone yeti n this playthrough)

[graceful sinew]

it's an option if nothing else works but tbh i kind of want to do another actual run of the game

just to get warmed up and get my build set up

[bitter ridge]

What kind of stuff have you been using? Morgott's sword was p fun but can't recall how hard it scales

I wish the Sacred Spear had a wider moveset, Mohg really puts that thing to work

[flint pike]

I've been trying out various weapons. Great Omenkiller Cleaver, Great Stars, Bloody Helice, Reduvia, Spiked Cestus etc

I think my prior run being Swordspear spoiled me. Much simpler stats, much more flexible weapon

[graceful sinew]

i've just been sticking to the good old zweihander

but i might switch to the greatsword since i'm leaning more str/fth than quality

[flint pike]

so which DLC weapon types are ya'll excited about?

[bitter ridge]

I'm too blind to know of them, bwaa

The most I've seen of the DLC outside trailers is a reviewer like 'I'm 60 hours into this and I still don't see the end'

[flint pike]

I can list them, if that's not too much spoilers for oyu?

[graceful sinew]

the only one i know about is the one and i bet that's gonna be dex, so no good for my current build

[bitter ridge]

I shall pass o7 but thanks for askin

Give us two martial arts, one strength-based Heihachi maulings

[flint pike]

Light greatswords are the one i'm really excited about

[royal mauve]

Milady 🥺

[granite bluff]

I'm ready for Martial Arts

I wanna kick people's ass with my bare hands

[calm narwhal]

i thought thats what feet are for

[flint pike]

No, feet are for going barefoot and being mysterious

[long flicker]

I wonder if they’re gonna put some of the new weapon types in the base game, it’d be a shame if they were all only available post mohg

[calm narwhal]

by the sound of it post mohg is another 60%

[long flicker]

Still though, it takes a while to get to him

[sturdy skiff]

backhand blades or martial arts tbh

[chrome glade]

Can't wait for the Light Greatsword and the megakatanas

[sturdy skiff]

oh yeah and light gs

[chrome glade]

My need for excessively long sword grows

[sturdy skiff]

or as I've been calling them 'twink greatswords'

[chrome glade]

I literally only chose Urumi as my main weapon because it is the longest sword in the game

The ultrapoke

[sturdy skiff]

I wonder if all backhand blades come in pairs

[flint pike]

Brains are silly. I totally failed to consider using Katanas as an option for Ocuclt, and that i actually really like their moveset

[royal mauve]

I'm hoping not, I wanna use one with a shield pretty bad and it would rot my brain if one was just hanging on my hip during it

Also: Have been working towards getting the last few achievements for platinum while bumming around before the DLC drops
Good news: Only one achievement left 😄
Bad news: Three fingers 💀

[royal mauve]

Fuck it, my int char is in the mountaintops
I will sacrifice her

Now to figure out how you actually get into the subterrenean shunning grounds (again)

[crystal meteor]

Look for wells in the sandy parts of the capital

[royal mauve]

Ye, I figured it out
There's a TON of just Wholly Unrelated Sewer that throws me off every time lol

[bitter ridge]

The first run through was truly 'WHAT DO YOU -MEAN- IT GOES EVEN FARTHER?'

Almost like they were trying to bury something >:|a

[calm narwhal]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ARE 2 LAYERS

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ARE 3 LAYERS

[graceful sinew]

i love the bit in the shunning grounds where the game gaslights you into thinking you're going through the same floor over and over

[calm narwhal]

i need to see the oob of that

[flint pike]

From what we've been told, they're all paired. But it does mean they can block and then guard counter in paired mode, and apperntyly they're pretty good at that

[rugged raft]

Realizing you want to go a different direction in NG+ for your Bloodborne char but not wanting to go through the entire base game just to respec...

[sour grail]

no respec is rough :(

[rugged raft]

Granted

I did a quality build

And I'm looking to go into Skill/Bloodtinge with the Reiterpallasch soooo

Not

Horrible?

[chrome glade]

Hopefully the DLC makes the respec material renewable

Only having a set amount really sucks

[royal mauve]

Update:
😔

[bitter ridge]

Gladiator fit yeaaaa

[royal mauve]

This run is teaching me very funny things
Like 'the only time mountaintops of the giants forces you to fight something is the fire giant'
I just Torrent'd through the whole ass zone

[flint pike]

I remain grateful that I'm both on PC and also have zero compunction about cheating to get around really annoying limitations like that

[sour grail]

does the respec have a workaround like in ds3? (you can respec but close the game without exiting rosaria's menu, it saves the respec but doesn't take the item/decrease the limit until you close the 2nd menu)

i doubt it

[graceful sinew]

can you just use cheat engine to give yourself some extra larval tears or is that a bannable thing?

[flint pike]

As long as you're offline while doing cheat engine stuff

it's fine

and as long as you dont go online with dummied out items or hacked stats etc

i use cheat engine for inventory editing stuff all the time and havent once been banned by following that simple rule

(I am allergic to grinding in single player games)

[graceful sinew]

i don't think ER is that grindy on a full playthrough but if you're just speedrunning dlc readiness it would be rough yeah

[flint pike]

Eh, it's grindy enough for various consuemables that can't be bought

Resins are a big culprit as an example

[graceful sinew]

ah yeah the crafting system was a....mixed success

[flint pike]

Rune Arcs also

[graceful sinew]

and the item system has never been great in from soft games

tbh i'd be happy with them dropping or de-emphasizing the actual rpg elements of the games and honing in on the exploration + combat

i mean using all the different weapons and builds is great fun, but actually making a build in ER isn't fun in the same way that it is in, say, armored core

[flint pike]

Mm, it's a complicated topic

i honestly think in the case of a lot of hte craftables, they should have commited more to the Cracked pot bit

i.e you have "infinite" cracked pots, but you can only carry X crafted cracked pot things with you

[graceful sinew]

yeah that'd be nice

[flint pike]

I think they need to have a rethink of their spell/crafted item split too, the spell and item using UI is atrocious

It made more sense in the DS1/DS2 days where equipping multiple copies of spell was a useful thing to do

but it was still bad then

[bitter ridge]

I wonder how much NG+ will scale the DLC stuff >:|a, i have a character at just-before-final boss and wondering if so many NPCs bein' dead will be relevant

[graceful sinew]

i kind of regret throwing my save into ng+ but now i'm wondering if it would be faster to continue with my ng save or start anew on my + save

tbh i'm already at altus on my regular save so i'll probably just ||cheat|| in a few levels once i get where i need to be and call it there

[royal mauve]

Okay, platinum for ER acquired
But At What Cost

[chrome glade]

The cost is that it only lasts a day before you have to do it all over again for the DLC

[royal mauve]

The cost was https://fixvx.com/_saint_riot_/status/1766377698585198824

My int character 3/4ths of the way through her playthrough when I realized I need frenzied flame as the last achievement

[chrome glade]

Urumi is being extremely annoying rn

Why is my megapoke not on target when I'm target locked

[royal mauve]

Because someone applied a curse of some sort to whips as a weapon class in fromsoft games

[chrome glade]

I have to aim it manually and actually learn how to play my weapon now, ridiculous

The Urumi megapoke is still cool as all hell. But it's annoying

[royal mauve]

So
Do you figure the eclipse stuff at Fort Sol will come back into play in Shadows
Like, whats the over-under on Miquella going into the Land of Shadows to ||properly revive Godwyn||

[west dawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Xh4vbs6go HYPE TIME RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[bitter ridge]

Hey remember how we were discussing the last boss moving too much like.. 12 hours ago

Added new feature to summon spectral steed during the ||Elden Beast||

Added new feature to the colosseum: crafted consumable items that have been used during a battle will be replenished at the end of your session. ogh

[graceful sinew]

amazing

[willow ocean]

"Fixed a bug in The Queen's Black Flame Skill that did not apply poise when using this skill." From today's patch.

Replying to something from over a week ago I know, but just remembered when reading patch notes

[chrome glade]

Is it out yet?

[granite bluff]

This feels.mildly relevant to the DLC

[granite bluff]

And I don't belive so, we have like 9 more hours or so

[west dawn]

something like eight more hours i think

[west dawn]

WE’RE SO FUCKING BACK

[granite bluff]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/elden-ring-shadow-of-the-erdtree-release-time

Here are the release times

[chrome glade]

6:00 PM 😭

[graceful sinew]

i think if you're in NZ it is out, which means i technically have access to it. but i just hit leyndell so 😅

time to mute this channel for the next like two weeks

[sour grail]

I might drop in here to celebrate progress in the base game when I start, but yeah otherwise I won't be reading it too much

good luck gamers

[west dawn]

alright thoughts on the drip going into the dlc?

[chrome glade]

Looks nice, although perhaps a larger head is needed. Also, have you thought about the unaltered banished knight chest piece?

[west dawn]

i do not have it sadly

if i did i'd be rocking it fs

[sturdy skiff]

amazing new thing in the 1.12 patch notes

||you can summon Torrent during Elden Beast now||

[long flicker]

🎉

Increased the poise damage of the Torches weapon type
Okay but why

Also nice they buffed the zamor curved sword the day after I started using it 😌

[calm narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-fat-thor-marvel-avengers-endgame-i-knew-it-gif-14609000

[sour grail]

💀

[calm narwhal]

all fire weapons get this dub

[spare summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/945724638984548462/1253379996265746523/image.png?ex=6675a495&is=66745315&hm=36a97928d552ef273844db3b8267917d0dc20257ac069755b712e9f1af54abc1&

what does it mean

[calm narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/box-whatsinthebox-bradpitt-gif-4808580

[chrome glade]

Getting together an all flame character

[errant grove]

Exploration/Gen PvE drip for the DLC drop

[chrome glade]

Flame Of Frenzy, Bloodflame Blade, Surge O Flame, and Explosive Crossbow bolts

[errant grove]

Apologies for the screencap quality, still haven’t figured out how to transfer PS screencaps to my phone easily

[chrome glade]

Here's my drip, an undead paladin thingy

[errant grove]

Nice

[chrome glade]

Niiiice

[chrome glade]

Ive got an Urumi for The Holy Poke

[errant grove]

Really need to figure out a better way of taking screencaps but general build stuff there

[spare summit]

are you on Windows

[errant grove]

PlayStation

[spare summit]

ah, I got nothing then

[calm narwhal]

i got marikas hammer, the black blade, and the cruicble knight weapons at the ready

[errant grove]

Haha no worries

[calm narwhal]

and the godslayer

ol reliable

[chrome glade]

All Hail The Holy Poke!

[errant grove]

Godslayer great

Was my final boss weapon

My main exploration build is blasblade, serpent curved sword, lots of ancient lightning spells and some black flame stuff

Played around with Chungus build as well with the Knight’s greatsword as a main

Love the Knights greatsword

[chrome glade]

I really want to try the blasblade at some point, but I just can't escape Dex/Fth

[errant grove]

Such smooth R1s

Played around with this looks as well but it just doesn’t perform as well against lots of units

Please place this in the erdtree spoilers thread 🙏

[long flicker]

Should we keep dlc spoilers in the dlc waiting thread?

[granite bluff]

Boy I love unspoilered thumbnails

Oh is there a thread for spoilers?

My bad

[errant grove]

No worries

[granite bluff]

Deleted

Can you link the thread?

[chrome glade]

#1251763655578488872

[errant grove]

I purged the YouTube algo so I can avoid the spoilers as much as possible

But at a certain point I’ve resigned myself that some stuff I’m just gonna find out about, and have learned to live with it

[granite bluff]

Yeah I hopped into the app and it was the first thing recommended

Thanks youtube

[sour grail]

whuh

hmm should ER talk be in here, or the other thread (or either)

[spare summit]

other thread

[long flicker]

So um. The increased movement distance on zamor curved sword attacks might be a bit ridiculous
This is how far you move from one r1 chain, starting from the grace

[noble plover]

... interesting choice for Lords of the Fallen to go 50% off on Steam the day Shadow of the Erdtree drops

[chrome glade]

Forgetting how you switch ammo types for crossbows [PC]

[calm narwhal]

heavy attack iirc

[chrome glade]

Hmm, I'll try that

I must find a way to use my Burred Bolts and my Explosive Bolts at the same time

[long flicker]

Please keep dlc stuff in the dlc thread. And mark it as dlc spoilers

[slate osprey]

Ah i did not see the thread

[calm narwhal]

TO THE SHADOW REALM WITH THEE

[sturdy skiff]

found the fucking ||Dragon Pit||

[chrome glade]

To the Shadow realm with ye

#1251763655578488872

[long flicker]

It was three posts ago 😩

[calm narwhal]

under the effect of jailhouse rock, the target can only remember three things before trading the oldest for the newest

[long flicker]

The input speed adjustment for menus thing they put in the new patch is very noticeable, to the point where if I didn’t know about it I’d think the game was eating my inputs

[calm narwhal]

i teched that ui

GOD ITS STILL 2 HOURS AWAY FOR ME

[long flicker]

Huh, looks like you get new loading screen art even without owning the dlc, neat

[calm narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-hczne-gif-20831523

litteraly

[long flicker]

Mood

Gonna be a lot longer for me

[calm narwhal]

its the tantalus thing about the nearer it is the worse it feels

[long flicker]

…I have somehow gotten a noble’s estoc and two noble’s slender sword before getting the aristocrat’s hat

[flint pike]

Do you not have teh cash for it? 😦

[long flicker]

More or less yeah

[calm narwhal]

i have 1 plan

[long flicker]

Long story short I have the money but don’t actually have access to it for an indeterminate amount of time 🤷‍♀️

Just as well I guess, I still need to finish up my dlc character prep anyway

[calm narwhal]

its on a pit and the pendulum type mechanism

slowly lowering towards the steam account

[calm narwhal]

MMMMMM

[long flicker]

Congratulations on obtaining the dlc!

[calm narwhal]

ACTIVATE GODAMN YOU

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[granite bluff]

Download the patch first

[calm narwhal]

i have

THE TIMER HAS BEEEN AT 0 FOR 6 MINUTES

OH GOD IM SEEING PEOPLES GHOST WITH NEW ARMOR

[long flicker]

Is that the download/install timer?

[calm narwhal]

its the countdown to activate

[long flicker]

Maybe restart the console?

[calm narwhal]

oh have i

MIQUELLA WAKE TF UP

[granite bluff]

MIQUELLA WAKE UP THEY HIT THE ERDTREE

THEY HIT THE FUCKING ERDTREE MIQUELLA

[long flicker]

You just hear a mumbled “good” and he goes back to sleep

[calm narwhal]

NEW ;LOADING ART

AND THE EMOTE

WERE SO BACK BABY

alas now i must go to the thread upstate

[long flicker]

Indeed

[sour grail]

[willow ocean]

I've been having a rough time in DLC lol

And here I was worrying about overleveling

and that's all I will say before vanishing

[bitter ridge]

Flame, Fall Upon Them remains an absolute problem solver, post-buff

[willow ocean]

Going mostly Arcane for my casting

Have enough faith for that boulder tho

[bitter ridge]

I'm Arcane/Faith and juust enough Dex to play with some weapons and it's got so much variety

Can't believe they buffed Dragon Communion Seal but hey not complaining

[willow ocean]

what did they do?

[bitter ridge]

Buffed the scaling on Dragon Communion and the Faith/Int Seal, for whatever reason

They already had some of the highest ingame

[calm narwhal]

yeah dlc is making me do a roundup of all the flask items i missed

[calm narwhal]

did she forget to install source???

[slate osprey]

She is currently missing

possibly dead

[chrome glade]

Found a new weapon

My Urumi glitched out lol

[slate osprey]

eat your heart out Malenia, there's a new comically long one handed slashing sword

[calm narwhal]

flowing sword ass kit

[long flicker]

Hmm… do I be a bit silly, perhaps a little goofy, and embrace the frenzied flame to incinerate all that divides and distinguishes on my dlc prep character

[calm narwhal]

the shit in here is gonna give you so many ideas so it dont really matter

[long flicker]

So many ideas…?

[spare summit]

there are whole new potential build gimmicks that weren't feasible before that are solid now

[long flicker]

[long flicker]

New discoveries:
-Spark aromatics are insane
-Miranda powder is a pain in the ass to farm

[formal veldt]

does madness do anything in pve now

[spare summit]

Spark Aromatics have insane Dexterity scaling

Like

It’s ludicrous, they’re oneshotting machines in PvP

[calm narwhal]

and now since consumables get refunded after

[long flicker]

Why the fuck does Siluria's woe deal 2898 damage to a boss with 80% holy resistance!?

[bitter ridge]

Overpenetration means many hits? Maybe the phys/holy split is weighted one way

[long flicker]

Also I’m remembering why every time I’ve fought Fortissax I’ve gone “fuck it” and used something like pest threads to cheese him, the camera in this fight is a mess

[long flicker]

It doesn’t even overpenetrate!

[bitter ridge]

I thought they added that sometime >:|a well! is a gift for the windup time then

[calm narwhal]

the crucible weapons are really good

[long flicker]

Okay apparently the cranial vessel candlestand is also incredible

[bitter ridge]

'Behold, Cave!' remains a stalwart and cherished travel companion, and a great way to tell when there's an influx of new players

Thing has been healing like every 30 seconds

[long flicker]

Why are there so many good str/fai weapons and why am I only now noticing them!?

[bitter ridge]

PALADIN GAME

And because Dex/Faith got a bad rep when it murdered Godwyn

[long flicker]

Doesn’t even have its own seal

[slate osprey]

Hey Godwyn was Dex/Faith too!

[long flicker]

I think siluria’s tree might be one of the most absurd weapons I’ve used in this game, and that’s saying something

It deals insane damage with a long range ash of war, it’s better than most of my incantations

Only downside is that it deals like 50% holy damage when you’re not using the ash

[bitter ridge]

I think it got hit in like every buff patch, they were really trying to spread the power level of unique ashes out (away from Rivers of Blood and such)

Same with axes, they've improved every time they get a chance

[crystal meteor]

it also looks cool

[calm narwhal]

all the crucible shit rules

[bitter ridge]

I've never had enough endurance to try the armor

idk how folks resist throwing some points at magic or somesuch, game has too many toys not to be able to try a good chunk of em

[long flicker]

I get around that by only having 40 vigor and putting sine of the points in endurance

Faith strength is ludicrously stat hungry I can’t afford any more vigor than that right now

[calm narwhal]

the drip is worth it

and the big honking weapons

[bitter ridge]

50/50 Faith/Arcane was a big investment, but also applies a sort of 'mad cackling sorceror' level of hurt to spells

[long flicker]

The crucible knight armor boosting crucible spells is just an added bonus to the fashion tbh

Honestly, faith has so many flash spells and weapons that using it is some of the most fun I’ve had in elden ring

[bitter ridge]

There's just so much variety to it, not that Int -isn't- cool but their flavors are.. lighter, half of the gravity spells are the same spell

That said everything Carian is very cool

and gravity

magic is cool in this game

[crystal meteor]

heavy weapon faith just bonks so well

[bitter ridge]

I'm struggling to decide on weapons, used two greatswords for ages and been using Eleonora's for a while but i crave new nonsense

[calm narwhal]

all the faith weapons ive found are very bonk

[bitter ridge]

Just hard to get away from Bloodblade Dance obliterating things

[flint pike]

Light greatswords!

[bitter ridge]

They're quite tempt, I do have a Carian Knight char but I can find her something even more fanciful and wizardy

Sort of going from a Darth Maul to a Count Dooku with how Bloodflame looks on the twinblades/L Greatsword

[flint pike]

tbh, i dont think Bloodflame is a great pick on Light greatsword

like it kinda works, but if you actualyl want bleed, well... infuse it bleed

at that point you're not using bloodflame anyway

Now, Blackfire Blade...

[bitter ridge]

Yeaah, thinking about that as I use it

Just gimme a Light Greatsword with raw bleed, Flamberge, to me, you are perfect

[bitter ridge]

Does anyone know if you edit out the modded items and whatnot from a Seamless Co-Op character they can be used in regular online? friend is a-struggling

[sour grail]

from the little i read on the mod page, seamless co-op saves can't be turned into regular saves iirc

[formal veldt]

I gotta say I really appreciate the dlc making sure everyone know this game is queer as hell

[calm narwhal]

Maybe I missed it cause I'm fighting for my life but more specific please?

[formal veldt]

A bit of late dlc spoilers but I will say that there are two critical plot points about a gay relationship.

[crystal meteor]

You can talk about it with spoilers in #1251763655578488872 if you want

[formal veldt]

Will do

[long flicker]

I'm sure this was a good decision

[bitter ridge]

The hardest part of the decision

[long flicker]

Closely followed by having to find fashion that goes with being covered in horrible burns

[bitter ridge]

See that's good for me

I love to be a wretched creature

[long flicker]

ngl I don’t really like how the scars look so I’ll just use the backup save I made

[bitter ridge]

You can turn the scars off

[long flicker]

Oh you can?

I thought it was just the eyes

[bitter ridge]

Yeah, cosmetic mirror can handle 'em

Adds a new little toggle

[long flicker]

Neat!

[bitter ridge]

I wish we could choose which version of Fucked Up Eyes we had

[long flicker]

Honestly Melina going “I’m so disappointed in you” alone makes me want to go back to the backup, despite it literally not mattering in the slightest

[bitter ridge]

There's a noted absence despite her only showing up for churches beforehand

[long flicker]

Yeah…

But hey at least I get the worst seal in the entire game out of it!

[bitter ridge]

coolest seal

and got to listen to a nice song

by an impossibly sad man

[chrome glade]

The real treasure is the cool eyes

DLC equipment but behold DRIP

[bitter ridge]

DEPRAVED PERFUMER GARB MY BELOVED

[long flicker]

Okay I’ve successfully guilt tripped myself into going not incinerating all the divides and distinguishes

At least until I want the achievement

[chrome glade]

You can cleanse yourself later on

Just need to take Miquellas Needle to the Placidusax Arena and boom you will no longer by heats fireguy

[bitter ridge]

Just kill an ancient god outside of time, it's fine

low stakes decisions

[long flicker]

I know but it still feels bad

[crystal meteor]

Her voice acting down here is A+++

the barely concealed rage, the choking on words as she begs you not to do it

shes so well spoken the entire game until this moment

[long flicker]

I just noticed I had the flame of frenzy as my selected spell, neat

[crystal meteor]

Oh man. Elden Beast with Torrent is... fun??

[long flicker]

😱

[crystal meteor]

The Radagon->Beast feels like the Ganondorf->Ganon transition now lmao its so cool

[calm narwhal]

shocking news

fights meant for torrent are fun with him and not fun without

gaius

[tender orchid]

van Baelsar

[sour grail]

[calm narwhal]

time for the FOURTH PHASE

[sour grail]

😱

[graceful sinew]

tbh i always thought elden beast was a good fight

then again i don't actually use torrent for any fights besides the erdtree spirits

[crystal meteor]

I didn't mind it but it feels great with horsey

[graceful sinew]

torrent is just a liiitle bit too slow on the dodge compared to being on foot

[noble plover]

Yeah, I don't tend to like fighting on Torrent for anything more complicated than trash mobs

Or dragons, but that's mainly because he can outrun their breath attacks

[long flicker]

...as it turns out, Mohg really doesn't like being hit by destined death or black blade
Took three attempts and the first two were both just me being too greedy when he was one hit away from death

Admittedly I somehow managed to bring his health really low even after nihil so it wasn't as hard as it could have been

[crystal meteor]

black blade is so good

[sour grail]

rahhhhhhh

[crystal meteor]

DANNY YOOOO

strongest

[sour grail]

[calm narwhal]

alright now torch only

[long flicker]

[last bronze]

fucking splendid

[sour grail]

💖

tyty!

laurence can wait for next time

😌

[long flicker]

I have obtained the dlc 😌

[crystal meteor]

Prepare to have fun, Rose!

Feel free to hit me with any questions

[calm narwhal]

shadow that erdtree

[sour grail]

yayyy!!

have fun

[long flicker]

I am banishing myself to the shadow realm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/969424433959825408.gif?size=96&quality=lossless