#Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)

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grand knot
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Across limits

obsidian dagger
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I wish I had an emoji to use for nobilisposting (or the weirdly more common excrucianposting)

candid compass
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Excrucians are more relatable

fleet harbor
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I think saluteapocynum would fit the pnet vibe to be tbh

narrow tartan
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"There do seem to be a lot of [excruciaboos] online"

grand knot
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Everyone looks askance at being called nobility

restive ridge
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The Noble Askarath lies bleeding and kneeling at their enemies feet. With the eyes of a mortal one might see their sprained knee, the fire consuming their clothes, their shattered teeth and blood-red gums.

With supernatural sight one may see the full extend of their Wounds. Their divinity almost cut from them, their Estate hanging on by a spiders thread. The Wheel of reincarnation that is seeking to crush them underneath its turning, jammed by their stubborn foot like one jams a conveyor belt witha piece of wood. A soul inside their chest, tearing at itself as it mutates into that of a beast.

Wounded, pitful. Too weak to resist what's to come.  

The Strategiat Morlith waves their hand upward, covering the world with a blindness darker than the absence of light, anathem to all Creation. When it vanishes the world is washed, gone, or at best reduced to its grey, ever-twitching bedrock.

And yet Askarath survives.

"How did a child like you manage to survive unscathed the World-Breaker's Hand?" vitriol spews from Morliths mouth

"Tunnel effect bro."
vivid wraith
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gottem

grand knot
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Devil imperator of Hearth, Rest, Art

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Imagine a room with a fire, immensely comfortable, easy to tell stories in

narrow tartan
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Darklord with high Monstrous and Brightlord with high Architect feuding.

frank light
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Yea

restive ridge
grand knot
frank light
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It is

narrow tartan
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How weirdly do you allow arcana to be used?

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Put information about my pfp on page one of new notebook. Easier to remember there

frank light
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Interesting - You were just plain *interesting*. You don't know the reasons, and it is unlikely they would ever make sense to you. But for some reason, you were just interesting enough to be chosen.

Damned - You were damned, in some way or another. Maybe you were dying, and it was the only way to save you. Maybe you've been dead a long time. Maybe something terrible, awful, happened, and the only way salvation could come to you is if a miracle happened.
And unfortunately, one did.

Chained - You sold your soul to a devil, and they came to collect. You made a deal, you were transformed, and now you are a god. Most people aren't that lucky, damned to hell or bound as demonic slaves. 

Forlorn - You're not the kind of thing the world loves. Maybe it's for a good reason, maybe you were a wicked person or monster. Maybe it isn't for a good reason, maybe you're just the sort of creature too terrible to be loved by Heaven, and too inhuman to be cared for by the Rules. 
But Hell was with you, and a devil was there to bear witness. 

Blessed - You were a really good person. Something bad happened maybe, and maybe you died or fell from grace, or something like that. But you did a really good thing, you did your fucking best. You were better, on the whole, than you could have been, considering your life.
And perhaps, a devil decided, you deserve better than to be dead.

Convenient - A power was dead. and you were...the next best option. Convenient and nearby. A stroke of luck, one supposes. Your ascension was entirely random. 
Maybe that is a comfort.
Maybe not. 

Usurper - A power died. Maybe you killed them. Maybe they were just...nearby? And you ate their heart. Maybe you stole it, maybe you didn't even know you were eating their heart, or maybe it was their dying wish, a last gasp from a friend who happened to be a god. Did you even know? Did they ever tell you?
Either way, you've inherited their position.

workin on some fun example origin pitches for a devil

magic mason
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Good shit

frank light
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Blessed is really funny because it could easily be an angel noble origin but

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it just as easily is a DEVIL origin

grand knot
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Origin idea
You had nowhere to go, until a kind stranger took you in
You were in disbelief once you entered their strange home, and soon was told the stranger was a devil

frank light
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yeah

vivid wraith
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Origin idea
You're on a path in the woods

grand knot
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Oh
Imagine running a charity and an angel or devil chooses you

frank light
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yeah

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that seems about right

grand knot
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Being shared by an angel and devil seems funny

narrow tartan
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Strategist invoking the power of one of her Arcana by wearing it, a rat, as a hat

grand knot
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Darkness in deltarune
Light shows things as they are
Low light makes things indistinct
Dark shows nothing
Darkness beyond the dark starts showing things again, but they are not real. It's a world of illusions

frank light
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darkness is very alike the Void in nobilis

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in that
the things in them dont exist

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but the richness of the nonexistence is so deep that they echo outwards

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there are trees here, there are colors, here, there is a breeze and it is all surrounding you so deeply that you forget...

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that there is nothing at all

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restive ridge
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The Carapace Cross are Excrucian coded

frank light
magic mason
frank light
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“I will give you evil hrt if you give me your soul”

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I feel like there isn’t much explanation necessary

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You’ve seen how people Get

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All it takes is a Fruition miracle from Allegorical

magic mason
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Ah I see

I wasnt sure if you meant it like that or “the hrt that makes you a demon/creature”

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I suppose those aren’t mutually exclusive though

frank light
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Oh it could be the second one

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And they just didn’t tell you

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Which is funnier

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And peak devil behavior

magic mason
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Trying to get the girl juice but you also get wings, horns and a tail

frank light
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Yeah

candid compass
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There's a cyoa of demonic girl hrt
Nsfw though

magic mason
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Yeah that makes sense lot of sense

magic mason
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I gotta make angelic hrt

magic mason
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Angels would also do this actually

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But when they do it you get wings and your hair is flower petals now

frank light
magic mason
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I am not sure if I just hallucinated this but I really like the idea that Grace sometimes takes the form of body horror adjacent flower imagery

frank light
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It’s said that flowers grow in the eyes of those touched by heaven and their bodies become light

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As in weightless

narrow tartan
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spends time developing PFP's bane
Discovers she is probably gives off paradoxical gross vibes

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My profile pic is a strategist. A d thus has some curse.

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A d figured some what it was in more detail.

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Also. This

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Would probably be one of her arcana

vivid wraith
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incredible

restive ridge
vivid wraith
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true

narrow tartan
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Depression levys a universal obstacle on stuff that makes you happy

obsidian dagger
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Thinking about mimic game again. About... if you are a Mimic, then, by existing, you bring harm to the world. You can try to mitigate that harm, or reduce it. You can do good which outweighs, in some ephemeral way, that harm. But you will cause harm.

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There is no way to be a Mimic which is not, in some way, toxic to reality. You have to make peace with that.

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In a different sort of way that Strategists, because... their Banes can also cause harm to those close to them. But they usually have more options for avoiding that (usually at the cost of harming themself, or depriving themself of a good life by retreating into their sanctuary). If you're a Mimic, there is nothing you can do to not be corroding reality. That just isn't an option that's available to you.

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And there will probably be moments where you see someone suffering because your estate isn't working the way it should. Like, you look at someone who's suffering from chronic pain and you go "the estate of pain is supposed to teach lessons. It's supposed to be unpleasant but tutelary and ultimately helpful. It's supposed to ward against danger. But because I'm Pain, the concept of Pain is broken and sometimes people hurt and it doesn't mean anything in particular." And that is, arguably, your fault.

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The world is wrong... and that includes you. It especially includes you, even.

narrow tartan
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Deceiver who would possibly leave the Magisters of the Wild behind once everything else got Excruciated

obsidian dagger
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Trying to figure out if Ultimate Senpai gives off Mimic vibes, or possibly Red vibes.

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I feel like I should include a PinnochioP song for my arcs as songs project but I'm not sure which.

narrow tartan
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I have no strings feels kind of deepness to me

obsidian dagger
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Ah. I was not talking about the movie Pinnochio, which I have never watched. I was talking about the Vocaloid musician PinnochioP.

narrow tartan
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:p

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Wasnt even thinking that much about the film version. Just the creepy rendition associated with Ultron

obsidian dagger
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Ah. I wasn't sure if you were intentionally misunderstanding as a joke, or just thought I had made a typo.

narrow tartan
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Oh I also misunderstood.

obsidian dagger
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I mean, there's a PinnochioP song which is maybe vaguely Awakening-y and features a puppet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1Ptl0qs-pE

YouTube
ピノキオピー PINOCCHIOP OFFICIAL CHANNEL
ピノキオピー - 嘘ミーム feat. 初音ミク / Fake meme

Download & Streaming: https://linkco.re/r2ZC0DeV

はじめましての人ははじめまして、ピノキオピーと申します。
嘘みたいな「本当」を探してた。

Music, Lyrics, Illustration, Video / ピノキオピー
Vocal / 初音ミク

Off vocal: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/ignez2rvjw4svgly3vwqb/AMh9SVGDAj3S7JfaLvbKDC0...

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But it could also be Gatecrasher, or Wounded Angel, or any of a ton of other things.

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CW: Flashing lights what do you do with Reincarnation Apple? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYWP8HtgeLQ It's really strange to pin down. I want to make it something Green because it's a green apple and it's about changing form, but it could be Awakening, or it could be Become Somebody, or any of a million other things.

YouTube
ピノキオピー PINOCCHIOP OFFICIAL CHANNEL
ピノキオピー - 転生林檎 feat. 初音ミク / Reincarnatio...

Download & Streaming: https://linkco.re/7M4NY4cv

ピノキオピー 6th Album『META』収録曲
https://pinocchiop.com/meta/

はじめましての人ははじめまして、ピノキオピーと申します。
生まれ変わってやり直せる転生林檎。

Music, Lyrics / ピノキオピー
Animation, Video Director / えいりな刃物...

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CW: flashing lights and. Uh. Probably something else but I have no idea what

narrow tartan
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I think Strategists might be the least scary type of Excrucian from a mortals perspective

obsidian dagger
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Plausible! They're least likely to hurt a mortal, after all. And even have Sentimental.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diVoF2nnHTk somehow I missed this one. Surprisingly cute for possibly being Troubled.

YouTube
ピノキオピー PINOCCHIOP OFFICIAL CHANNEL
ピノキオピー - 甘噛みでおねがい feat. 初音ミク / ...

Download & Streaming: https://linkco.re/tfDUNyBB

はじめましての人ははじめまして、ピノキオピーと申します。
また噛んじゃった。

Music, Lyrics, Video / ピノキオピー
Illustration / 寺田てら https://twitter.com/trcoot
Guitar, Bass / ヤヅキ https://twitter.com/yadukishinya
Vocal / 初音ミク

Off vo...

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The Angel of Sex, Drugs, and Rock&Roll periodically sends her powers down to earth to seek out the young and carry them off to heaven before their time.

obsidian dagger
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I'm just surprised Drugs is of Heaven.

frank light
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Aspirin!

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Antidepressants

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Estrogen

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Cold medication

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Lots of heavenly drugs

grand knot
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Plus you can see pretty stuff while tripping

obsidian dagger
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are "medicine" and "drugs" the same Estate?

frank light
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Good question

obsidian dagger
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I'm trying to remember how mimic estates work, and if they have a collection of estates (like imperators) or a single estate (like nobles) or if it varies.

frank light
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It varies

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They can have collections or singular estates, as much as any imperator

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The estates they get are not 1:1 conversions of their previous estates though

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Sometimes they have more sometimes they have less

Because the fundamental laws at their core are corrupted and blasphemous

obsidian dagger
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I'm just trying to figure out how a mimic game would work, and the biggest issue is I can't figure out how you would justify having a party of Mimics that would interact and work together.

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Unless they were all created by the same Excrucian, I guess?

frank light
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Possibly

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Though you could integrate secret spy stuff

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Like

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Mimics getting access to a very secretive communication system

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So they can message eachother even when they’re isolated in their chancels

obsidian dagger
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Gatecrasher could do that. Or allow Mimics to easily recognize each other. But normally their hidden world is whatever they're emulating, instead.

frank light
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It doesn’t actually have to be a miraculous system

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It could be closer to a mundane type of magic

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Like Welken law

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But also I could see them all having a sort of secret extra technique for it via Style

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Could be fun

obsidian dagger
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I guess "you're all mimics who happened to discover each other's existence and that's why you're a PC party" is also a reasonable hook. Like, if you hadn't met other Mimics — if you didn't know your Blasphemy wasn't uniquely isolating — you'd have kept trying to destroy reality. Or... kept letting yourself be used to destroy reality.

frank light
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Could be similar to a chancery deal

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Where the type of organized system you’re a part of isn’t actually common

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Most mimics don’t do this but you did

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Kinda like how the chancery only has like, 17 members canonically despite the hundreds of strategists

obsidian dagger
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Normally, Style is "the secret world of <whatever you're pretending to be>" but it's not wrong for it to be "the secret world of mimics", necessarily. ...no, it is wrong, since Gatecrasher is what you're pretending to be.

frank light
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There could be like, 3-6 mimics who are in contact with eachother

obsidian dagger
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Mimics don't have any arc they can pursue that's about "who they really are". That's part of the tragedy. They can't draw on a core of self for their strength. They have to construct themself out of other people's perceptions and expectations and understandings.

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Blue arcs are always about negotiating between the Self and the Other, and Mimics have two of them: one for the role people think they are (Gatecrasher/Style), and one for what their Excrucian creator thinks they are (Wounded Angel). Or they can define themself in a Silver way by just trying to accept their lack of stability and comfort, or build themself out of the facile perceptions of others and create a self through Theft.

frank light
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At their core, at the deepest inner most core of a mimic

They are a wounded thing with a blasphemy

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Strip away everything else and that’s all that’s left

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An unholy blasphemy

obsidian dagger
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yes and no. Wounded Angel grants four extra health ranks specifically to deny that.

frank light
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You’re right!

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But it’s still their core. The power they draw from being themselves

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Like Wyrd

obsidian dagger
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It would be easy for them to say "yes, this blasphemy is what I really am". But they are absolutely not going to say that unless they're fundamentally broken down as a person.

frank light
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That’s not exactly what I’m saying but maybe I’m just fundamentally misunderstanding what you…mean??

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Cus like

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Wyrd is the “who you are deep inside” stat for strategists

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And it’s a viscerally unpleasant one.

But it’s still like, the core of them

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I see wounded as taking on a similar role for mimics.
Its very central to them and their dynamics

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I figure it’s why Leo has it in gmd

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It’s the main thing

obsidian dagger
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Fair enough. I was just thinking of "accepting the Blasphemy" as... okay, it's not exactly like detransitioning, and it's not always a metaphor for that, but that's not inherently an incorrect reading of it either I don't think?

frank light
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Ah tbf “accepting the blasphemy” is different from like, fully concluding the arc imo

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Like

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There’s a difference

obsidian dagger
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Yeah, taking Wounded Angel arcs is not about accepting the Blasphemy. It's about negotiating with it.

frank light
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Kinda like how Wyrd isn’t about accepting that the world is actually hopeless and you should kill everyone in it/you should die

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I see it not as just a negotiation with the blasphemy tbh

There’s something deeper to the wounded angel. It’s nature as a savior.

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But yeah. I see it as the central arc for mimics

obsidian dagger
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True, but Blue arcs are always fundamentally about negotiation with the Other.

frank light
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The thing which best describes them

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Yeah but they contain other stuff too

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Blue arcs are also about decisions

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Bindings and sorcery and science

obsidian dagger
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It's central for mimics, but while they're taking it, they don't get to experience "drawing on myself". Not like Black arcs, where you become more of a concept, or Gold arcs, where you refine your form. The end result is becoming more yourself, but the way you get there is through conversation (metaphorical) with something which is Not You.

frank light
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It’s a bit like strategists in that way no?

obsidian dagger
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The self is a construct, and that is especially true for mimics, because all of their arcs are about building a self to inhabit rather than finding "who I really am".

frank light
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With their central arc being Wyrd, you could conceive of them being nothing but their infection

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But there’s more to them than that

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And I think it’s a similar process for mimics

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It’s about growing from that blasphemy

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Living with it

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Dealing with it

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It’s not something they can escape from but it is something they live with

obsidian dagger
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It's a bit like Strategists, but... Strategists still have an Immortal arc in Gatekeeper. As long as they pursue it, they cannot die. They can strengthen themself. It is something that is undeniably good for them. Mimics have nothing Immortal.

frank light
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In the chuubos sense sure

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But in the 4e Nobilis sense not really

obsidian dagger
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It's not a competition as to whether Mimics or Strategists are suffering more! But they suffer more in some ways and less in others.

frank light
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Mimics take immortality as equally often if not more often than strategists

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Given they mimic other immortal beings

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Strategists are on average less immortal than mimics

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The immortal/frantic/sickly dichotomy, while relevant to 4e, isn’t…as relevant?

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It’s not like strategists actually have an option to be immortal with certain arcs in 4e just because they happen to have an immortal arc

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And likewise it’s not like nobles can’t take Immortality just because they don’t have an immortal arc

obsidian dagger
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Fair enough! Think of it this way, then: Strategists have a place they belong. It is a place which is no place, but they still definitely belong there. And if they look around that place, it will make it clear that they belong there.

If Mimics want something like that, they have to get to Wounded Angel 5, and even then their belonging in a place is directly tied to an Issue. It's a place which is fundamentally bad for them, or a place they only fit into when they've been forced into the wrong shape.

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And, also, just... Mimics don't get to introspect in the same way as some other arcs. They have to actively decide who they really are, not just discover it.

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And that is a really interesting story, and a large part of why I'm thinking about Mimic games! That's a feature, not a bug.

vivid wraith
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I'm not sure that's something we can determine from arcs alone

obsidian dagger
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...maybe not but it's a vibe I very much get from the arcs and also just from Mimic lore in general. And maybe I just want it to be true.

narrow tartan
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Mimic game

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narrow tartan
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"can contest miracles" is not necessarily the same as "is miraculous"?

vivid wraith
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I'm willing to believe that's true but i don't know the full Book of Golden Hours well enough to explain how it works

magic mason
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while a miraclous action cannot be contested

narrow tartan
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nodnod

narrow tartan
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Theft/Creature of Delirium might be the most real part of a mimic from a certain point of view

vivid wraith
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Because it's the part they take from others?

narrow tartan
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It represents the struggle withing themselves I guess.

vivid wraith
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ahhh

frank light
obsidian dagger
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Trying to decide if Meteor Shower (by Cavetown) sounds like Sentimental, or if it just sounds like the Strategist version of Sentimental.

obsidian dagger
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I think maybe not PinnochioP because arcs are fundamentally all about growth and progress, and while their representative songs don't have to be about that, a lot of PinnochioP songs are kind of about stagnation and failing to change.

narrow tartan
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A sort of funny thought. Nobilis character not advancing because they keep getting into the wrong kind of stories

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Or approaching stories wrong

obsidian dagger
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That sounds like a joke, but honestly “this character is failing to grow as a person because they approach things with the wrong mindset” would be totally reasonable subtext for like… some kind of side character?

obsidian dagger
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I think that in Chuubo's, though, it is a sort of unspoken law of the world that you can't not grow. People will grow and change and improve, for as long as they live. That's just the nature of life. Even if you fight it kicking and screaming, even if you go in the exact wrong direction and do something like trying to study at the Bleak Academy, you will grow.

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Enigmata from hsr. Just thought it a fun thing to share here. Playing the game is not worth it, but looking up the lore is fun

"To stop questioning is to ask pouring rain to relinquish its faith in the glittering stars. Open yourself to the roaring river of metaphors, and you will find truth awaits, hiding at the end of the night sky, in the swirling rosy storm of a bygone age."
— Sharon Leighton, Galactic Laureate Poet (Self-Proclaimed)

It is a fallacy that all things can be experienced and recognized. The living seek to produce prophecies of the unknown based on their limited grasp of order, but little do they know that the universe has no end and that the truth is but a fevered dream.
To prevent the certainty that Erudition brought about from destroying the possibilities championed by Mythus, Mythus conjured the Fog of Thought and the Rain of Sensation to reveal to the mortals the inexplicable truth through the four agents: Morph, Screen, Riddle, and Mirage.

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At one point in the game, you run into a bunch of wild lore written near statues
The last one then goes: I was lying. Don't take everything at face value, verify stuff yourself

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The followers of enigmata love to fuck with people to make them doubt rather than just accept

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In the rare handful of authenticated accounts, Mythus' form is described as a broken and torn "jellyfish," akin to a deliberately destroyed version of... the "cognitive" center of the human brain. THEIR appearance is always accompanied by a fog of thoughts and rain of sensation. Symbolic objects dissolve like paint within THEIR shadow. History, knowledge, and language are soaked, drenched, and distorted in the deluge

narrow tartan
gloomy oasis
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Thinking back to fable of the swan. And how Jasmine is like, "I wish he [the headmaster] had said, 'its a hedgehog'"

grand knot
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So, the idea could be cool

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Someone who thinks they can't advance

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So they only pay lip service to the arcs

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But then their friends say "No, you have been growing all along"

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And they just point out a bunch of small and big things the character did that show their frowth

narrow tartan
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I think. Deceivers probably have the most disagreement over whats to be done about creation. Or something.

fleet harbor
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I agree

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Deceivers are big on seeming like they know what they want and not knowing what they want

narrow tartan
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nodnod

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But. One OC deceiver I have miggt have weird relationships with Wild Magisters.

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vivid wraith
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ooooh

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narrow tartan
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Posted that before ready

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Okay, the Deceiver, Aliss Lexigast is sort of alice in wonderland reference. And. She would not frame much of what she does as actually proselytizing. Just she makes her way through life and just happens to end up in a chancel where she starts asking questions about why things are rhe way they are?

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And. I feel like the Wild is well equipped to defend their worldviews from her.

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And. If she did present things in a more typical Deciever fashion she would probably admit that the Magisters or the Wild are less trapped than most people.

vivid wraith
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Oh that's fun

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restive ridge
vivid wraith
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whoah

fleet harbor
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Can I have its feather

obsidian dagger
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I'm thinking about Strategists and Mimics. And how it's very easy to develop a model of reality which divides people into victims and victimizers. And I suspect some substantial number of Strategists look at their Bane, say "I am solidly a victim", and allow that to absolve them of the harm they cause in turn. But, in that simple worldview, I think a lot of Mimics would view themselves as victimizers. The world is wrong, and most pointedly they are wrong.

fleet harbor
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Of course, mimics are typically the victims of strategists

obsidian dagger
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Are they? Like, are Strategists the type of Excrucian most likely to make Mimics?

frank light
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Yeah

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Or at least, it seems to be

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Strategists are the types to make mimics the most often.
They’re the weavers and spinners of the host, the type to lay traps and long term schemes like mimics, the type to bind mimics as treasures often, and even have an explicit method to do so via Lore

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Of course, the others are likely to make mimics pretty often but

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Strategists are the providers of the Host.

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Notably the miracle to Bind things into your service

narrow tartan
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I have been enlivhtened

narrow tartan
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watches adcenture time clips Lich has Strategist energy?

magic mason
narrow tartan
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Ah fair

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Nowhere King is more Strategist.

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Tje Lich. I think from the clips I saw seems. Warmain fits better but with some Strategist vibes

obsidian dagger
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Lich probably has Warmain energy by similarity to the Headmaster as a being who you can only meaningfully defeat by Making Answer to the Bleak.

narrow tartan
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Ooh.

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Yeah.

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I think. Excrucians work better as antagonists in a kids or young adult show rather than a comic book

candid compass
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Excrucians are magical girl villains

narrow tartan
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Nah.

vivid wraith
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no this is true
we've been seeing Creature of Delirium for like forty episodes of precure

narrow tartan
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Thinking strange thoughts

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Or maybe.

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Excrucians should be sexy cthulhu

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Hmm. Though. If super heros are treated as miraculous beings ot is different

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Thinking a little

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Huh. I saw a write up of wanderer which had spinning off versions of yourself as a sort of thing.

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But only sort of a thong

grand knot
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So strategists are the providers of the excrucian host?

magic mason
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And create artifacts of great power with Design

frank light
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They do the biggest schemes and build the horrible artifacts etc etc

fleet harbor
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The host is funky, though, because it doesn't really have leaders

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Or rather, everyone thinks they should be in command

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And they only nominally get along

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Earth's defense, at least, manages a proper junta

candid compass
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the Strategists are informally in charge, but that doesn't mean much yeah

fleet harbor
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Strategists are, on the one hand, the royalty and nobility of the Not

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On the other hand, Warmains and Deceivers don't give a shit

candid compass
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I personally see the Warhost as very clique-y

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you just kinda get groups of Excrucians who get along and work together sometimes

fleet harbor
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The closest you'll get to seeing the Armies Of The Not which Strategists ostensibly lead are their Arcana

candid compass
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theoretically you might also have mortals drawn to the Excrucian cause sometimes

fleet harbor
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Yeah, they can assemble servants in and of Creation without too much trouble

restive ridge
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The way I put it is that everyone in the Host is like independent boss fight level

candid compass
candid compass
restive ridge
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Strategists are just more likely to have powers of "we are the arcanalings, please feed us!"

fleet harbor
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Deceivers can infiltrate a person's soul, 2/4 miraculous arcs for strategists give them the ability to field some sort of creational army, Warmains have Architect, and Mimics ... well, they can make Powers.

candid compass
# candid compass when I wrote a small blurb for a hypothetical Warhost AU version of my Glitch ch... 
Oseric Liutica
This is an Excrucian Strategist dying of Injustice; he cloaks himself in an armor of righteousness and sanctimony in the Lands Beyond Creation, and when the world and those around him turn against him for his crimes he will only claim it as further proof of Creation's injustice. A vanguard of the Host, a Warleader in the truest sense, he chooses to meet the forces of Creation head-on with blade in hand, flanked by loyal followers both mortal and miraculous alike. With grand rhetoric he will condemn the perfidy and cruelty of Creation, claiming his acts as a kindness to its inhabitants. You must not allow his words to sow doubt in your mind.
fleet harbor
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Everybody can be a leader of hosts but in a fight between gods the host is mostly just an extension of the god's power

candid compass
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being jumped by a bunch of slightly empowered mortals is probably not a big deal for most Powers, but still inconvenient

narrow tartan
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I sort of headcanon that. There sort of are lesser Excrucians that get brought over as Arcana but dont tend to do much in Creation

candid compass
# candid compass ``` Oseric Liutica This is an Excrucian Strategist dying of Injustice; he cloaks...

I wrote a funny gift semi for this as well

Corrosive Presence
Greater Unfettering 10
Automatic (+1)
Local (-1)
One Trick (-5)
Uncommon (+1)
Total Cost: 6 CP

There is something in your words, your actions, your very presence. An insidious poison, a fire those who listen to you cannot shake. The more time anyone spends in your presence the more it affects them, though with a bit of attention you might focus the influence on someone in particular. It corrupts their thoughts, or perhaps you prefer to say it enlightens them, to a terrible truth they can no longer deny.
The world is Wrong.
Mortals will often succumb in the face of this truth and renounce their ties to Creation or even glitch themselves, though a few might still stand tall and prevail. The Nobilis may be shaken, having to grapple with this revelation, but can resist the influence if they apply their willpower, for a time at least.

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you can theoretically speed this up and focus on someone in particular with a spotlight, for extra fun

fleet harbor
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Oh hi harmony

narrow tartan
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Like. Most of the Exceucians in town are not numinous void gods.

fleet harbor
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A lot of them seem to be more culturally Excrucian than anything

frank light
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Genetically, somehow in some cases

narrow tartan
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I once read a novel in which the "antagonist" had Actual vibes. And was ultimately defeated by a man with a gallon of gasoline

grand knot
restive ridge
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The Cities visited by Deceivername

grand knot
patent tiger
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...exist only in memories and photographs

obsidian dagger
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I'm tempted to try to find an excuse to include a very thinly veiled expy of Marche as a Deceiver, who is convinced that he is an isekai protagonist, and has powers to back it up. (Although normally that'd be more Creature of Fable than Creature of Delirium...)

restive ridge
narrow tartan
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Excrucians should be hot goth Cthulhu.

vivid wraith
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So true

narrow tartan
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Like. If you put an excrucian in a super hero comic they have good odds of gstting kt wrong...

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All stories are crossovers in a way

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Not all

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But some characters have a certain level of themness to them that should he brought with them during a story

patent tiger
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I think the way Excrucians are framed necessarily needs to change based on what the perceivers are

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Like, in Nobilis, they're creatures on part with you - that is to say, recognizably people, and with human-like-enough motives that you can understand them, but operating on a fundamental level of reality-warping and with dubious agendas tailor-made to be problems for you specifically

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And that motive is the primary thing about them, with the personality and the powerset as secondary

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You start from the question "what problem are they causing and why," and the detals of who they are and what they can do form the practical parameters slotted into the puzzle that the question "what problem are they causing and why" poses

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(And all four of the types are made so that the kinds of problems they pose are complicated and annoying to navigate around, since that's the puzzle of it)

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In Glitch, Excrucians are peers, and also fundamentally motivated and meddlesome. They can understand in a way few other people can, but ultimately the primary thing they are is an intrusion into your life - them being a peer is, essentially, doing what Deceivers are doing in Nobilis. Making it so your sympathy and urge towards connection is weaponized against you, and you're more likely to get stuck in what they're up to

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As opposed to being a problem, they're more a plothook, but, that's in part the difference of gameplay focus emerging

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For a hypothetical mortal game, one of the notable things with Excrucians is how they can casually reshape your life, I think, and they might end up conceptualized not dissimilar to other miraculous beings in that regard

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But it would depend on what the pitch is

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In conclusion: I think Excrucians can be a bunch of different things, depending on what the perspective role is, and what they're up to

narrow tartan
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nodnod

patent tiger
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I think an Imperator game could potentially lean the most into how frightening Excrucians are, honestly

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The Powers are the ones who die to them the most, of course, but from a Power perspective they're a hassle of the job, even if they're a hassle that kills you

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So the energy and focus is different

narrow tartan
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nodnod

frank light
patent tiger
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Yeah

frank light
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The way things like Death or Iolithae are portrayed in chuubos for instance could be a fun framing for both imperators and mortals

Which is really weird lmao. But in a real way it’s similar.

It’s not like a regular person. It’s death, it’s something bleak and terrible. You can’t just make it go away, you have to make a real answer to it.

magic mason
narrow tartan
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Huh

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Nobilis card game

narrow tartan
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Heh. I might not include Excrucians in an Imperator game

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Or. Probably dependa on the game

magic mason
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so I was working within that paradigm

narrow tartan
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Hmm. Am I mean to the Rule?

frank light
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i have not percieved your opinions on the Rule

restive ridge
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You should be

narrow tartan
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Greater Contagion is sort of like DmchNgmdnf stuff from Persona?

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Enchantment

candid compass
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Greater Contagion afflicts people with something similar to your Bane

narrow tartan
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Joke idea: Imperators, not having Spiritual, dont interact with spirits as much. Basically. Their view of the mythic is fundamentally different and the way Nobles approach it is weird to them

candid compass
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That's actually correct probably

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Nobles are the only ones that actually have Domain

fleet harbor
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One way of thinking about it would be that Imperators don’t interact with the individual cells that make up their bodies

frank light
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the metaphor changes a bit depending on the imperator

for true gods, the cell/biology metaphor is incredibly apt since thats how they interact with their estates

for something like a ruleslord, its more like...theyre a literal lord? over something? they may speak laws about it to a certain people, they may keep gardens, and they are themselves a thesis towards it

fleet harbor
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If you are made of Cake, Baseball, and Alimony, you don’t interact with those things except by being them

frank light
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it flows outwards of them

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for angels...
i mean, you know how strategists have a sphere? like that, they have this thing they are destined to rule over and be skilled at interacting with

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and i guess for a wildlord they dont see a difference between their estates instances and themselves

fleet harbor
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But do they interact with the spirits of the estate?

frank light
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i feel like an angel's lore, by its power, gives them some measure of skill in interacting with its spirits

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at least, by spherecraft

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though for something like a wildlord...i guess they use symbolic for that sorta thing.

fleet harbor
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I guess, although it’d be fitting if the sphere was more related to the angel’s overarching idea than specific estate spirits

frank light
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oh probably

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i just figure it doesnt not give them mastery

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an angel who's sphere is all about like, star monsters but rules the sky i think could be at least able to Inchoate some clouds

fleet harbor
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I guess I tend to imagine Imperators as almost too close to their estates to be able to really perceive them

frank light
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nodnod

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theyre weirdos and freaks

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laws are their bones

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and yeah
nobles are, like, really good at directly wrangling estates

fleet harbor
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But a Power has to actually understand what they’re working with

frank light
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most imperators are good at really big motions of their estate, or like, good at some really weird sideways representations of it

but nobles can just...wrangle it.

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yeah

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a noble isnt just a creature who's bones are laws

their soul has been tempered and fused with a relationship to that law

fleet harbor
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And because they have to try they can be good at it

frank light
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nobles are real useful fellas

fleet harbor
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The bones thing is what I meant with the cells metaphor, fwiw

frank light
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the cell metaphor isnt bad

fleet harbor
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Like, I cannot have a productive conversation with my tibia

frank light
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i think it works...much better for some imperators while others interact with stuff differently

vivid wraith
frank light
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wildlords and true gods especially

fleet harbor
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Or like, how Entropy and his retinue and kingdom are all about evil rather than his specific estates. His estates do, collectively, constitute The King Of Evil; but they’re not exactly his whole deal

frank light
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yeah

fleet harbor
frank light
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or surolam's court...
...okay her court is actually very Law based

fleet harbor
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What is she again? Willpower and …

frank light
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doggirl behavior ig

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law and the broken hearted

fleet harbor
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Gotcha

vivid wraith
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Willpower, Law, and doggirls

frank light
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shes referred to as the dog headed goddess of ordinary things

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because she cares a lot about maintaining the prosaic

fleet harbor
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Isn’t she also the Weirding Wall?

vivid wraith
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Part of it

frank light
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shes an earthly manifestation of it

fleet harbor
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Anyway if Robin gets hauled in front of Surolam, she will appeal on the basis of dog

frank light
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"Bark!"

fleet harbor
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Bring Laika out

candid compass
fleet harbor
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Arguably Laika is a paragon of at least one of her estates

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One could make a strong case for two

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“You honor, in my defense, look at this dog”

narrow tartan
fleet harbor
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Yeah, it's a little better that way

narrow tartan
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Surolam rules that Robin while guilty may not be punished because the dog is not guilty and would feel bad if Robin was hurt

grand knot
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What other states would the imperator of jellyfish have?

fleet harbor
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Could be anything, really

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Seemingly incoherent collections of estates are real common

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The fun is figuring out how they connect

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Not everybody is Lord Entropy :D

vivid wraith
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But with your help, we can fix that

fleet harbor
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That's why the classic way a game starts is with the players all choosing their estates mostly on their own and then collaborating to create connections via Imperator and Chancel

vivid wraith
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one seed of evil per heart, get 'em while they last

restive ridge
frank light
frank light
# grand knot What other states would the imperator of jellyfish have?

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here’s two imperators who ARE jellyfish

Karma Art Gallery
jelly hell

ꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮ, Fallen Angel of Polyps and Replication

Ability 0
Wounded 4
Allegorical 1
Holy 3
Sealed 4
Geas:

Karma Art Gallery
jelly heaven

Tlosvirel, Angel of Senescence, Generations, and Vortices

Ability 3
Lore 2
Holy 3
Adept 5
Gardener 1

grand knot
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Thanks

frank light
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Karma has jellyfish themed miraculous beings for every splat if you’d like to dig deeper into those tags!

fleet harbor
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I still count “Sidewalks, Pigeons, and Sandwiches” among your greatest hits, Karen

frank light
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God wait was that one of mine???

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Which one was it

obsidian dagger
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…is there a Power of Neanderthals? Or anything about Neanderthals, actually? Given the interesting ways humanity exists, I can’t help but be curious about “almost humanity”.

frank light
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None mentioned

So, plausibly something like that could exist.

Humans were created, mythically, in the garden of Eden by angels but

I dunno!

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There’s a blank narrative canvas there to paint on

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Are Neanderthals a creation of the prosaic, a scientific explanation of humanity’s birth arising from science?
An estate of the earth, separate from humanity but close enough to them that we may draw connection?

An arrival of the wild, something alien and strange, arising into the world without explanation?

There’s some fun things to play with

vivid wraith
frank light
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lol

fleet harbor
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We decided their Chancel is literally just NYC

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Anyone can walk in or out

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Making it both the best and worst-defended place anywhere

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Also the Power of Pigeons is a high Aspect terror

frank light
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Ohhhhhhh

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I see I see

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Lmao

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Yeah I was cooking

narrow tartan
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Peak

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I think my best Imperator is still the True God of Provenance, Mist, Museums, and Pareidolia.

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Whose Chancel is called Avalon and acts as a storage space for dead heroic leaders

narrow tartan
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True gods swapping estates makes a lot of sense.

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It ties into their symbolic nature

vivid wraith
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and their kaiju microorganism nature

frank light
# 
There's this song. You play it with some string instruments and some drums. It doesn't sound that good, but there's a good rhythm to it.
It's an old song, y'know? So it's that old kind of song that's super simple and has some rhythm to it but it's never easy to call it 'good'. At least these days, it might've been a real hit a long time ago.

You play that song while you're on the road, in that long stretch of land between cities, and you'll find that the road twists, and shifts and changes. The sky grows dark, the stars twinkle out, and instead the whole thing is filled with gray clouds and red. Red streaks, red sky, red lightning, lot of red and gray.

And you'll see that the land around you is different. You'll see farmland on the side of the road, stretching out farther than you can see. You'll see monsters in those fields. You'll also see humans, I guess, and that's probably weirder than the monsters. Seeing the humans and the monsters in the fields together, that is.

And in front of you, in the distance, is gonna be a city. It's got this huge tower, in the middle, that seems to pierce the sky. But around that tower is just...normal buildings. I mean, there's monsters in the streets, and humans, and vampires, and all that kinda stuff. Hell, there's even some demons.

This is a land ruled by a Devil. Well, less ruled, more like created. The Devil that made it is still here, her name is Agares. But she's not like, the government. There's a council and stuff, they do stuff like manage sewage and streets and building planning and all that. 
It's the important part. There is a Devil here, she made this land, she lives at the top of that tower. She sometimes appears before you, to watch, to witness, maybe to steal your soul. 

But she's not like, the ruler. 


The rent's cheap here. If you can accept shitty cell service and the risk of being eaten by monsters at night, it's not the worst place.
If you can accept the lack of sun and stars, it's an okay place.
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BOOM I GOTA CHANCEL FOR YA

magic mason
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Ooo leme read this

narrow tartan
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Heh.

frank light
magic mason
frank light
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It’s not just rural but like

It has rural regions

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There also a main city

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It’s a whole ass like
Country sorta

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A small one but

magic mason
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Oh that is neat

frank light
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It is one

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The fields grow actual food that people in the city eat
It’s an entire ecosystem

I’m thinking a lot of it is immigrants from like, a lot of ancient civilizations

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Or like, that’s the first people here

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Because anyone could go down the road if they played the music

So the first people here were travelers or refugees.
And of course, the monsters and creatures unloved by heaven

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There is no sun here

Vampires may roam free

grand knot
frank light
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It’s a tough sell yeah

patent tiger
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- Excrucians trying their hardest to be polite

frank light
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wh-what

grand knot
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Excrucians like stars, I guess?

frank light
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for a lot of the first people here, the lack of oceans or rivers was also probably a hard sell
Damn place is damp enough to grow crops but like
its all dirt

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that and the fact that a devil sometimes steals your soul i guess but thats bog standard

vivid wraith
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demon dejectedly looking for fields of torment and not finding them

frank light
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lmao yeah

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"I came looking for fields of torment?"
"help me plant these tomatoes"
"I-"
"Help me plant these tomatoes"
"...fine"

grand knot
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Strategist: Get some damn stars here or I'm opening a fucking Not Fountain here

frank light
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honestly it would be really funny to just put a strategist in here who just...lives here cus the rent is low

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"yeah i mean im saving money for college"

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random chancery strategist in a nobilis game with mostly villainous and ostentatious strategists is so funny

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cus theyre just like
"Dude im just living my life"

patent tiger
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Consider: the chancery one is even more villainous and ostentatious

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They follow the exact same pattern as the other strategists, just when you finally unravel their grand scheme it was for some other shit and didn't help destroy the world

grand knot
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Strategist who just brings and integrates bits of the Not into the world
Just casually building their life

frank light
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They’ve got this whole terrible and incomprehensible scheme and then at the end they reveal they have completed their diploma and gotten a degree WITHOUT PAYING FOR COLLEGE NYEHEHEHEHEH

grand knot
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Also a scheme to just get a new house, just with acommodations for beings of the void

frank light
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“You fools, I poisoned the water, deposed the President, and created the most powerful monster in the world!!! You will never stop me from getting my engineering degree!!!”

“You’re never going to wi-what? Huh?”

“AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH. WITH MY ENGINEERING DEGREE ATTAINED, I CAN HANG IT UP ON MY WALL AND BE PROUD OF MYSELF!!!”

“…why the fuck did you poison the water supply.”

“All part of the plan dear power. A shame you will never understand.”

grand knot
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"With this, I have taken out the USA government and replaced them. Now, I can stop their imperialism and enforcement of capitalism, and curtail climate change"

"Damn- Wait"

"Now, I can relax on my veranda without worrying about dangerous unstable weather"

patent tiger
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Exactly!

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And, like, even if this doesn't harm your Estate, it's still an active problem for the shit you're up to, so you've gota foil it

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(And then, of course, you piss them off so much that the next time you see them they're relapsing, and the time after that they're wallowing)

narrow tartan
obsidian dagger
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I think that for... I was going to say Strategists, but honestly most miraculous or bleak entities... it's often easier to accomplish your goals by hurting people than by doing so in a safe, precise way.

grand knot
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Strategist carefully building a pleasant, walkable, sustainable city to live in

obsidian dagger
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Like, that's the point of Toxic from Gardener.

obsidian dagger
restive ridge
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What is a location but a very large beloved item

obsidian dagger
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Unclear. Especially since... I'm not sure how to phrase this per se, but I have a sneaking suspicion the property of "being in a specific location" is something that exists at the prosaic level, which is why To the Island of King Death is a Green Issue.

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So changing location is the same kind of facile Prosaic-level change as getting injured or turning into a giant snake. Which... on the one hand, it makes sense that changing where you are doesn't alter your fundamental mythical underpinnings, but on the other, conflating motion with transformation is a bit weird?

grand knot
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City suffused with the Not
Unreal neighborhoods, strange things skulking

obsidian dagger
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...now I'm thinking about an Actual city. That would be a pain to deal with, especially if most of the city's residents were not Actuals and you were interested in preserving them.

grand knot
obsidian dagger
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I think that would end up looking a lot like the Near Outside, or some of the streets of Town that dip into there?

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Is the Botfly from All Night Laundry an Actual? I'm not sure; it might be closer to a Deceiver, oddly. I need to reread All Night Laundry.

frank light
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Yeah

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The botfly is…weird

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I could see it being an actual

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For sure

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Specifically in the way that it seeks to create itself

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It seeks to be watched

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To be witnessed

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It wants people to bear witness to it

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Because it isn’t real yet

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But it wants to be

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It’s close, to being real

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But it isn’t

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I could indeed see it being an Actual or a Deceiver

frank light
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honestly, despite the name angel, this is a fun POWER design

vivid wraith
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ooooooh

obsidian dagger
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Why do I sometimes get the impression Billy Sovereign towers over people (regardless of anything like "relative size" or "being a kaiju")? It's certainly something that Become Somebody would allow for, but I don't think it's actually true.

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I don't think he'd be giant or anything. He'd still be normal-size. He just axiomatically "looms over his victims" even if they're substantially bigger than him.

frank light
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no yeah that seems like something Become Somebody could do

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fundamentally a looming figure

grand knot
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Touhou animal realm as a hell

obsidian dagger
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on the topic of Actuals

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I imagine most people do not like Actuals, because encountering one means that someone has made a large, complicated mistake, and regardless of whether or not that someone is you, you probably still have to deal with it.

fleet harbor
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The assertion made in the post seems odd to me — a virus may not be a living thing, but that doesn't make it a concept any more than the rock you hit your head on after slipping and falling

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like are we just complaining about the material universe existing over here, are the posters excrucians

vivid wraith
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yes it is excrucians complaining about actuals

frank light
# 
Zhenyuan
Magister of Innocence, Blasphemy, Ginseng, Prosecution

Wanderer 3 - (Chancel - Watercolor Kingdom)
Prophet 3 - (Relic - an unremarkable Taurus 905, chambered in 9mm)
Monstrous 3 - (Curse - Lost Innocence)
Hunter 3 - (Strange Rule - Storybook Protagonist)

“I won’t let anything bring down my optimistic spirit.” (Technique - Boundless Hope)

working on a "Good-coded" Gamelord

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something that can rival players in an interesting way

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designwise they are uh

A mute young figure of indeterminate gender

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undertale protag vibes

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Technically speaking yeah they are a magister of human suicide but more practically theyre a Rinley-like figure

they're a troublemaker who gets into your life and makes it more exciting

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i think...i think all their powers are way more mature than them and often have to spend time wrangling their magister to not be an idiot

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Just straight up Frisk coded Gamelord

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obsidian dagger
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Decided to reread Ancient Magus's Bride and also see if there's a few more chapters translated (it seems like there is but I'm still rereading) but also... she is just so obviously on Wounded Angel, it's ridiculous.

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I'm not even certain what her Blasphemy is, since it isn't a single thing she has locked up! But it might actually be "I am only valuable when I am being consumed by others", or something that represents that. Or even just a general sense of worthlessness.

fleet harbor
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It’s a slightly odd fit because her nature is destroying her and poses little risk to anyone else

frank light
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...
HM

fleet harbor
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Accursed might fit better?

frank light
fleet harbor
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Ooh

frank light
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named after a character from journey to the west cus i wanted to pick a name that wasnt from christian mythos

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little mute figure of indeterminate gender :333

obsidian dagger
# fleet harbor Accursed might fit better?

I would say that, but the ways in which she gains power through the story (||the dragon's curse and the immortal's eye|| especially) really look like Empowered Wounds, and she definitely feels like she does Blue stuff.

fleet harbor
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I propose Accursed + Gatekeeper

obsidian dagger
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I was going to say "she doesn't get worn out and have to retreat to safety to recover" but, uh, she kind of actually does?

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she doesn't have powers of profound destruction, though. ...I don't think. And even when she does something similar, it's a different thing each time.

frank light
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that is the trouble sometimes when attempting to assign one arc type to a character

obsidian dagger
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I could see Blue, Silver, and/or maybe Purple arcs for her really easily, and maybe Green or even Black but probably not.

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A lot of Blue, mostly.

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...or I could maybe hear an argument for Gold but I don't think so.

frank light
obsidian dagger
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I imagine the Power of Ginseng as an old Chinese grandmother who logically understands that she's subservient to her Imperator and not vice versa, but nevertheless tries to wrangle them.

frank light
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Oh that’s actually really funny

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i like that

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writing that down

obsidian dagger
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Note that for all her attempts to wrangle them she is still a power of the dark, with all the recklessness that entails. But in the "indomitable old lady" way.

frank light
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yeah

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no yeah thats a really good idea

fleet harbor
frank light
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also im into old lady power-

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thank you GK

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elaborate

fleet harbor
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They’re a defense attorney

frank light
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right

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okay

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so theyre a defense attorney who's the god of prosecution

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i like it

fleet harbor
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The imperator did not bother to check

frank light
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the imperator didnt actually know they were a lawyer first

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maybe they were in law-school at the time

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and then got empowered

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okay i like that a lot

obsidian dagger
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Oh, my guess for a power of Prosecution would be a victim of prosecution as some kind of scapegoat maybe, but that might be better.

frank light
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...

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WAIT

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WHAT IF

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MAYA FROM ACE ATTORNEY

fleet harbor
frank light
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THEYRE FRIENDS WITH A DEFENSE ATTORNEY

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WHO SAVED THEM FROM PROSECUTION

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they can have a Flore focus n stuff

fleet harbor
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The thing is that I feel this song should be applicable

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To them personally

frank light
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lemme take a listen

obsidian dagger
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A few other ideas, which might or might not be good:

  • Power of Innocence as the ultra-wealthy heir to some horrible corporation, who's innocent due to living entirely in a bubble of ultra-wealth that shields them from all consequences and all knowledge of the wickedness of the world.
  • Power of Blasphemy as a Reddit atheist. This is almos certainly a terrible idea, but the idea of a Noble who previously built their entire identity around the idea that the world can and should be understood purely secularly and that there is nothing beyond the prosaic amuses me, somehow.
frank light
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hmmmm

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maybe not

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i like where your heads at tho

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the first one has some really fun potential

fleet harbor
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And Zhenyuan said, “oh I should get a hotshot lawyer” without bothering to check what kind of lawyer, and now has a biglaw corporate liability attorney

frank light
# fleet harbor To them personally

this song is real good but i am unfortunately too charmed by the Maya Fey Power who's just Friends/pseudo adopted by a way more competent defense attorney

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...gah thats also a really cool idea

fleet harbor
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As the god of prosecution

obsidian dagger
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...how many times has Maya Fey been accused of murder, out of curiousity?

frank light
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god...i think three times???

obsidian dagger
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I somehow thought it was more.

frank light
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it might be

obsidian dagger
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Nope, just 3.

frank light
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i'll decide on which one to go with for prosecution later

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your ginseng idea was inspired though i gotta say

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all thats left are some solid choices for Innocence and Blasphemy

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Power of Innocence as a rich heiress is actually really good so i might be keeping that

So she may also be a fairly 'new' power

Prosecution may be a Defense attorney but im going to make them They/Them and fully possess the energy of the Song Gk posted

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and because i want some reasonable gender distribution that leaves Blasphemy as a boy

obsidian dagger
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So I think either a notable blasphemer, or a victim of blasphemy (...somehow), or a scholar of blasphemies are the obvious answers, but I'm not sure how. It's possible that he's like... I dunno, some 16th-century heresiarch? Possibly it's just because I randomly remembered the existence of Menocchio.

frank light
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something else thats important with powers is that, unlike imperators, they dont have to have a pre-existing deep relationship with their estate

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they can be normal people who have an estate deep in their soul they control

obsidian dagger
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True. Menocchio is just very weird.

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and now I'm randomly remembering my idea for the Power of Legal Ownership, which is the tree that owns itself... except there's apparently two of those.

frank light
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i see

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hmmm

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power of Blasphemy could have a whole complex of viewing their estate as a sort of forbidden power

obsidian dagger
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...so this kind of hurts the gender balancing idea, but what if the power of blasphemy is some ritually unclean animal? Like a pig or something? ...no that's less interesting than your idea.

frank light
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they could also have animal traits yeah

obsidian dagger
fleet harbor
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The falsely accused one

frank light
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maybe crab-like traits

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OOO

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YOu'RE SO RIGHT GK

fleet harbor
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And have the two be friends

frank light
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THE POWER OF PROSECUTION SAVED SOMEONE FROM BEING FALSELY ACCUSED

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AND THEN GAMELORD COMMENCED THEM- YEAH

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thats a good idea gk

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i like it a lot

frank light
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yeah

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maybe being a "living blasphemy" also include a lot of Crab traits

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since crabs are not kosher

obsidian dagger
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yeah.

frank light
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blasphemy crab knight boy, innocence and prosecution are buddies, ginseng is the most powerful old lady

frank light
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Power of Innocence

Ability 1
Aspect 3
Domain 2
Persona 2
Flore 4

Unblemished Guise

Power of Blasphemy

Ability 2
Aspect 2
Domain 1
Persona 7
Flore 1

Durant

Power of Ginseng

Ability 4
Aspect 4
Domain 2
Persona 4

Immutable

Power of Prosecution

Ability 2
Aspect 1
Domain 6
Persona 1
Flore 3

“I always find the truth” (Technique - Defense Attorney)

i'll do some character writeups later but yeah this is a real solid motley crew

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I like to believe the power of ginseng’s hair might sorta resemble, slightly, the roots of the ginseng plant

obsidian dagger
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Yeah, upon rereading, Chise is really Wounded Angel. She not only picks up powers that look a lot like empoweed wounds, but also uses the substance of her life as fuel pretty often.

obsidian dagger
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is it wrong for an Accursed character's sanctuary to be accessible via sleep, so it looks just like sleeping in any arbitrary location?

frank light
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it is not wrong at all!

obsidian dagger
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I mean, "I'm immersed in profound soul-draining misery which I can only escape by sleeping, sometimes for days or weeks on end" is tragic, but... well, Accursed.

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...I wonder... can a sanctuary be an activity other than sleep, rather than a location? Like, you can only recover MP if you start spending all your time punching numbers into a computer (and not even necessarily a specific computer).

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or not, because being in a sanctuary is always kind of like sleeping — you're not doing anything in particular, just resting and recovering even as you're isolated from the world?

narrow tartan
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I think if abhorrent weapons were forced into an arcset (which would have wyrd) its how they would approach sanctuary

obsidian dagger
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It's arguably a principle of any Bond whatsoever that it can be used as a substitute for sleep. Every miraculous bond-granting ability calls that out, at least.

narrow tartan
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Can a sanctuary be somewhere stories go on?

obsidian dagger
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...ask someone who's actually played Glitch, but my understanding is that, no, it generally shouldn't be. Or at least it shouldn't be a place where your story goes on, usually. I mean, you can hang out and astral project out, or someone might try to invade it somehow, but generally by being in your sanctuary you're missing XP actions, which means your story isn't happening.

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You enter your sanctuary, and your personal growth gets put on hold.

narrow tartan
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Hmm. Having odd ideas.

obsidian dagger
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anyway, something about this scene makes me think Chise might actually have Mimic arcs? I could see an argument for Gatekeeper instead of Gatecrasher, but I think Gatecrasher ultimately fits her well while she's ||at the school||, she does break into a secret world which is actually separate from her regular secret world, she pulls off distinctive Tricks, and she's surprisingly okay at mending her own wounds. And I could definitely see her being Troubled, too.

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I don't think she does Creature of Delirium stuff, but I could be argued around on it.

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Then again, she repeatedly dives into other people's spirits or dreams or psyches or something, enough that it feels like it should be an idiomatic power of hers, and probably something miraculous. Impressario can do that...

narrow tartan
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In a Far Roofs game would. The mysteries undergo character development?

obsidian dagger
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Most of them probably wouldn't. In the game I played, Gorgon was maybe going to, because she was my Called Away shadow? Although I'm not sure if that's character development, or revealing more of her fundamental nature.

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actually, hm. That dream-diving is actually more of a form of... not quite telepathy? A power that can be pointed at someone to communicate with them, but which I suspect is better at listening to people than at sending a message to them.

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I feel like it is a Wounded Angel thing to stack multiple curses with conflicting effects on yourself and somehow ride it out. Or maybe Troubled? Or... not necessarily outright curses, but changes. Like vastly overproducing magic energy and being afflicted with something that drains magic energy (possibly for some other benefit) and either one on its own would kill you but you're okay because you have both.

obsidian dagger
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Hm. ...I've gotten to the part with a strong argument for Gatekeeper.

obsidian dagger
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What arc is bottom storage? Probably something blue? It's when a major villain gets defeated, rather than getting killed they get locked up somewhere, but it's somewhere the main character can keep visiting them and banter with them and the banter has dramatic and sometimes romantic tension.

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the hot new tv trope…bottom storage.

vivid wraith
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Gotta be a blue quest right

obsidian dagger
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Yeah probably.

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Also, on the reread, I can't believe how this never occurred to me before but ||Josef/Cartaphilus is so strategist coded like you wouldn't believe||.

obsidian dagger
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It definitely feels like Chise is cursed in a Troubled way. It does kind of suck! But she's perpetually outrunning doom. Although I could see an argument for Indomitable, also.

frank light
frank light
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Silver in the sense of it being a quiet type of somber thought.
Troubled is good at scheming, indomitable has its own measures of being distantly ominous, and accursed might be sitting there healing

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the creature of the light isn't actually limited by being imprisoned, but in fact may also increase their weird vibes

fable is harder and delirium is weird but its still a Dramatic role

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and black arcs....

black arcs also enjoy imprisonment

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thinking about harpy being, strictly speaking, dead, but still actually affecting the story

obsidian dagger
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Fair enough. I think if you're inside it might be one of those, and if you're outside it's more likely to be blue?

frank light
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yeah!

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that would make sense to me

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kinda like uh
how some issues are differently colored if theyre npc vs pc

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but yeah, if youre playing as someone in the box, you might be silver or Red

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but if youre dealing with someone in the box

youre very likely blue or MAYBE Green

obsidian dagger
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Like "I've got this awful person locked up, but I keep going to visit and talk to them and maybe get advice from them or maybe just talk and they listen" definitely feels like a blue thing.

frank light
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for sure

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Power of Innocence, Francesca Murphy
Commenced after being proven innocent in a criminal trial, she is a former Heiress and full of naivety. Best friends with Chet.

Ability 1
Aspect 3
Domain 2
Persona 2
Flore 4

Unblemished Guise

Power of Blasphemy, Minik Kreutzmann
A living Blasphemy, Minik is said to constantly hold back a terrible calamity that will unleash itself upon humanity. He hates his estate, but identifies with it too strongly.

Ability 2
Aspect 2
Domain 1
Persona 7
Flore 1

Durant

Power of Ginseng, Khava
The oldest power in the familia, she is an ancient woman who has fought Excrucians, Powers, and Imperators, and still won. She has a fire in her soul, but a good sense of humor, and tries to make sure Zhenyuan stays out of trouble.

Ability 4
Aspect 4
Domain 2
Persona 4

Immutable

Power of Prosecution, Chet Kaminsky
A defense attorney with a heart of gold and a silver tongue. Saved Francesca from a false accusation, the two are best of friends.

Ability 2
Aspect 1
Domain 6
Persona 1
Flore 3

“I always find the truth” (Technique - Defense Attorney)

@fleet harbor @obsidian dagger i completed their basic writeups

obsidian dagger
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Fun. I don't know enough about Nobilis to properly parse all the implications, but I like them!

frank light
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not too many implications

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beyond "having a high persona also measures how much you actually identify with your estate"

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the fact that the power of blasphemy goes up to 7 but still hates their estate is...

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probably a sign of something bad

obsidian dagger
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yeah, probably!

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Okay, new theory: Chise has Wounded Angel 0 at the start of the story. It almost seems like she uses Empowered Wounds before getting her Blasphemy, though?

frank light
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ooooo

obsidian dagger
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She just did a thing (in my reread) which sure looks like a blasphemy rattling its cage.

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And... actually, some of her Empowered Wounds seemed to develop extra powers, so maybe she went Wounded Angel 1 -> 2 actually?

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Okay, what kind of power would let you touch someone and accidentally (or, accidentally-in-character) see a plot-relevant painful memory someone has? It could be a magical skill, but I don't think it is. ...wait, is this an empowered wound from ||Chise's mom||??

frank light
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an affliction perhaps...

obsidian dagger
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Possibly? But it doesn't always happen. Just... sometimes, in a way that plausibly seems like a player is "actvating" it.

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It also sometimes dredges up a memory, and other times seems like it's a dream, or even reactive to what's happening in that exact moment? ...which is still technically a memory, I guess.

fleet harbor
frank light
# 
On the topic of Humanity

Jade Irinka, Angel of the Houses of the Sun, rises upon earth this morning. She stares down upon the beast of concrete and steel, which humans name a city. 
The sunlight glints off the windows of the skyline, breaking apart her light into a Crown. 
Atop her cloud, she sighs.

He, Death, the man who's eyes are a canvas of falling stars, sits beside her. He was not there before, but He, Death, has a way of showing up when you least expect it.

"Fragile, are they not?" He says. 

Jade chuckles. "My love, I care not for a debate today, I merely am enjoying the view."

Death sighs, and would roll His eyes if He had them. "I might remind you that it is the angel who starts those. I simply came to enjoy a different view." He smiles.

Jade blushes, and the sun sky blushes with her. Someone puts on sunglasses, to deal with the glare. "...It's beautiful though, in a way."

Death shrugs. "It is simply humanity. I don't see much appeal."

"There's something wonderful to them. We worked so very hard on them you know, so perhaps I am merely proud of them."

"How maternal."

"Well, I should hope I am, we both have little Jasper back at home to take care of." 

Death smiles at this, fondly reminiscing over the child. "Well...I suppose I can see the appeal from that angle. Still, do they not disappoint you?"

"How do you mean?"

"They bit the apple, didn't they."

Jade ponders over this a moment. "...Yes. It is a bit sad, to see their potential squandered. But...one cannot expect a child to fit into one's perfect vision."

"Perhaps. They die all the same."

"I wish they didn't have to."

"...It is not so bad, to be dead."

"You know my opinions on the matter."

Death sighs once more, and leans on His lover.

"...You know...Jade...perhaps I can give an...opinion, on the view." He struggles.

"Oh? A true opinion from He, Death? Fortunate aren't I."

"It would be better, I think, without so much gray. I like the green."

She chuckles. "I think I agree."```
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bweh i be writing chuubos fanfiction lmao

obsidian dagger
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but the narrative does repeatedly say "when you're reckless, people around you also suffer". ...I think that her blasphemy is somehow related to the idea of being a burden on others. And she wants to deny it, but if she's defeated, she'll end up burdening those she cares about.

fleet harbor
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I guess I can see it, but it seems insufficiently disastrous to me

obsidian dagger
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it's a bit of a stretch, yeah. Or maybe a lot of a stretch. You could argue Elias as the Blasphemy, but he's not quite nasty enough.

fleet harbor
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I'd say Elias has his own arc

obsidian dagger
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he does. Probably Child of the Ash, honestly.

narrow tartan
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Angel of Moral Relativism

tall jolt
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HI

obsidian dagger
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hi?

tall jolt
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🫂

narrow tartan
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...

narrow tartan
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Angel of Moral Relativism does not judge you for having a different opinion than her. But she will judge you based on her own morality. Also. She will judge you if you are a hypocrite.

grand knot
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I just realized my omake oc can be an excrucian dying of being a magical girl anime

candid compass
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Stealing this from Ninuan
Warmain wielding the Test of Defeat

narrow tartan
grand knot
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Oh, it's eliza. I made one omake already but didn't make the other idea I had

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Lemme grab

narrow tartan
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Rat arcana for my
Strategist Profile Picture: rat who she can wear on her head ratatouille style which makes her more attractive.
Mouse colony that nests in whispers and can be used to do some talking related shenanigann
The Necromouser. Scholarly rat who can probably puppet corpses around?
A rat king who can be used as a long distance communication device

magic mason
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Ooooo

narrow tartan
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She can in theory bind other "unclean" λanimals but she is low lore. 2-3

narrow tartan
grand knot
grand knot
magic mason
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Sometimes concepts if your quirky

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Strategists are not just accursed people, they are the silver crowned sovereigns of the lands beyond creation

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And Lore is their ability to control those lands

grand knot
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Lot less sympathetic if you think of how they are royalty/nobility

vivid wraith
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they literally rule over nothing

grand knot
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true

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very chuuni of them

magic mason
grand knot
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So a strategist acting as a final fantasy summoner uses lore

vivid wraith
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Very plausibly

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have you been around for the direct Cardcaptor Sakura comparison yet

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Because Lore is the Cardcaptor Sakura stat

grand knot
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Ooooooh?????

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Interest strongly attracted

vivid wraith
obsidian dagger
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I mean, they're called Arcana, intentionally evocative of tarot.

vivid wraith
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plus this

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which hey calls out Final Fantasy too, forgot that part

frank light
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I need to watch cardcaptor

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Hey stepnix

vivid wraith
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heheheheh

restive ridge
vivid wraith
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that's not what i remember from heaven's feel

obsidian dagger
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yeah I was tempted to post that here because that entire scene feels like one of those frantic "well, actually, this is fine" powers from Gatecrasher or Troubled or maybe Spiritualist but probably not.

grand knot
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Lore: Boss monsters

vivid wraith
magic mason
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Yeeahhhh

grand knot
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Lore: Trans blorbos

obsidian dagger
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Thinking about a Become Somebody character for whom the Hippocratic Oath is a Truth or possibly several. This would probably include being very protective of any students of medicine, or anyone they're teaching... and per the Hippocratic Oath, they'll teach anyone who asks.

vivid wraith
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funnily enough the Hippocratic Oath was a nob2 example of an alternative code to follow, if you don't like the Songs

frank light
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hippocratic oath stuff was also mentioned in some example content of golden hours for Become Somebody

obsidian dagger
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Huh.

vivid wraith
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banana the seer

obsidian dagger
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I looked at Book of Golden Hours and didn't consciously remember that. It's just... very much a code to hold to, you know?

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The only other "code to hold to" that I can think of, which would also make a really funny character, is "Neither snow nor rain nor gloom of night will stay these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds".

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for some reason I imagine this working very well with the whole Actual set as they get into the Secret World of Postal Workers. And/or being a postal worker who can deliver mail from anyone to anyone, even if reaching those people would otherwise be very difficult.

obsidian dagger
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yeah, Cartaphilus/Joseph from Ancient Magus' Bride is just a high-Lore Strategist.

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High Lore, reasonable high... uh, whatever Troubled is (Eide?), low Accursed. He's a potent adversary but his powers are mostly not those of destruction per se. He does have a number of potent magics and bound servants, though.

grand knot
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What is Troubled?

fleet harbor
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Troubled is an arc from Chuubo’s. In Glitch it reappears as Eide, and is sorta a Strategist’s miraculous power to embody a specific vibe

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Their supervillain energy, as it were

grand knot
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Aura I see

restive ridge
narrow tartan
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Hmm. Realzed one of my strategist ocs. His Destruction might become less destructive while in Infection State.

grand knot
narrow tartan
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Mechanically Eide makes you highly adept at a certain set of skills and provides some powers related to trickery and misdirection

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A Strategist character gets a Role and a Technique jus lt for being on the a

fleet harbor
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It also gives you a get-out-of-jail-free card for death

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Cliffhanger Rite is the "if you didn't find the body, the villain is still alive" power

narrow tartan
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0 summon your bane
1 assert that as the greatest baker of the not that your skills justify your presence at a crime scene.
2 be a great baker
3 don your bakers garb
4 cliffhanger rite

grand knot
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oh cool

fleet harbor
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At higher levels Eide involves creating people and locations relevant to your role whole-cloth

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And eventually turning into a giant monster

grand knot
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So I can have eide: biologist
Avoid dying by my knowledge of medicine
Eventually spawn a lab
Then turn into a RE/parasite eve monster
Or eide: write/storyteller
And just pretend my death was a ruse/marketing scheme for my next release
Then turn into a monster out of my works

narrow tartan
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Yeah

fleet harbor
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Troubled, in Chuubo's, is a little different and a little more like

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"You're Lupin 3, and so the inspector is chasing you, but you are cool and he will never catch you"

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Hence the name

obsidian dagger
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Chise might not be Wounded Angel, but Gatecrasher whose Devices are tied to Sickness and Trust.

grand knot
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Hm what arcs would the alv characters be?

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Chiro's thing is her inadequacy and identity issues

narrow tartan
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I could see Avaricia with Star Quality/Persona

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Or at least. Who Acaricia wants to be would have that.

obsidian dagger
grand knot
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Chiro's seed getting lodged in her, and hee later development into becoming a Saint, hm

narrow tartan
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Ida probably something yellow

narrow tartan
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gives chiro gamer stats

restive ridge
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Anyone tried doing an Apollonian/Dionysian split on the arcs before

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Feels obvious

magic mason
restive ridge
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Real tbh

magic mason
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Or at least they have those stats, I don’t actually think either of them are imperators

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The Maw is a deceiver I think

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Again stats and arcs wise more than literally

grand knot
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Generally, Nabushezibanni, found that the most embarrassing part of being a sorcerer in Babylon was asking the local demons to serve him as familiars. In Eastern Anatolia, such creatures had acquiesced instantly, eager to gain any foothold in his soul. In Babylon, however, he constantly felt as if they rather looked down on him - that taking the time to corrupt Nabushzibanni would simply upset their rather full social calendars.

restive ridge
magic mason
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Alternatively The Maw/lancer decorps could use the hypothetical imperial human stat block

Which is
Deepness/Awakening
Vastness/Kaiju/Child Of The Ash
Wanderer/Called Away/World Walked
Theft/Creature Of Delirium

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Kaiju form(all consuming murder swarm)

frank light
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GOD i forgot that was imperial humanity

magic mason
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Yeah

frank light
restive ridge
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I fucking love Theft being there

magic mason
restive ridge
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Ideal tbh

fleet harbor
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See my hot take is what that means is humans were supposed to be sort of collective/composite entities formed of many intersecting and transforming ideas

magic mason
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Or at minimum, an Impersario type song

obsidian dagger
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...I can't listen to that now but I don't currently have an Impressario song so remind me to check that later.

fleet harbor
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Suddenly thinking about doing a pastiche of X-Men mutants stuff, but with Chuubo’s

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Leaning heavily on the powers being weird

narrow tartan
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Are ang of my ixsas here memorable?

obsidian dagger
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your ideas? Yes, actually, they are. I do still remember your idea for giant birds with Theft, Called Away, and... I forget what else. I think Keeper of Gardens? Even if I privately wonder if it should be Impressario instead.

magic mason
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Thinking about

Rules Magisters having Impersario/Architect in 4e
And how that lines them up to be pretty ambitious as imperators go if you want

vivid wraith
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@obsidian dagger seizhi enjoyer ping

obsidian dagger
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Oh, intriguing. I'll have to read this.

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I'm officially intrigued.

grand knot
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@narrow tartan
Chiro: Bindings/Shepherd/Emptiness
Inessa: Knight
Ida: Aspect
Temperance: Bindings/Knight
Michael: Shepherd/Mystic

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Alright
Chiro wounded angel
Inessa allegory
Sigh, the alternate names really trip me up

narrow tartan
grand knot
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True

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Green is a bit of background radiation for the humans in alv who get powers

narrow tartan
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True, but Chiro goes a lot further than the others.

grand knot
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Hm

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Ida gets ace I guess

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Now for temperance's arcs

narrow tartan
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Yeah ida definitely ace.

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I think Lupin could have Persona?

grand knot
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Uh persona is which one?

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Think I'm going with become somebody for Temperance

narrow tartan
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Memetic

grand knot
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Ah found it. Yeah think it fits

grand knot
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Oh called away I guess could be used too, if you use how she became more and more isolated

narrow tartan
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Yeah called away is the best fit.

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Also. Is Rinley with a gun all that dangerous? They presumably know how to use it

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Also I considered Chiro with gamer arcs. It kind of fits but is also kind of a stretch

obsidian dagger
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And then claim they were actually planning that all along, in ways which leave their level of gun knowledge unclear.

narrow tartan
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Huh, I specifically thought Rinley was on Creature of Fable

obsidian dagger
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They are. Creature of Fable doesn't grant omnicompetence.

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It grants hunting skill, but I'd feel awkward extending it to using a gun for any context other than hunting.

grand knot
obsidian dagger
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Called Away/Creature of Fable/Indomitable/Prophet, like Rinley

grand knot
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Why are they gamer arcs

frank light
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No idea

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It’s wild

restive ridge
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How wild

narrow tartan
grand knot
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Oh that. I had read of them before

vivid wraith
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@frank light there's Arikel in here

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And Iolithae!

frank light
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ARIKEL

magic mason
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called Magisterss Of The Dark in 3e

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Rinley in Chuubo's uses their stats

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so sometimes instead of saying Lord Of Games or Games Magister people will just say "Gamer"

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similar to how people say Lords Of Rules/Rules Magister/Ruler

magic mason
obsidian dagger
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I wonder if Primadonna Girl by Marina & the Diamonds is Game-coded.

magic mason
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Oh that’s a fun pick…
I’m not sure though

tall jolt
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What if Noble of Humanity

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I bet that would be fun

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maybe

tall jolt
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would really suck if an Excrucian got them tho lol

fleet harbor
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Many such estates

tall jolt
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PLEEASE don't erase the garlic estate 😭

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Or peppers 😭

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Strategist be dying of his spice tolerance he neeeeds more spice

frank light
tall jolt
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ah damn :\

restive ridge
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Just gaslight your GM if they dont wanna let you play that Estate

tall jolt
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^ The gaslight noble giving me advice

narrow tartan
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Humans are actually naked mole-rat people

restive ridge
vivid wraith
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real

frank light
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Watched a couple episodes of cardcaptor Sakura last night and…

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Yeah this is a perfect Gatekeeper anime

grand knot
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Not otherworldly?

vivid wraith
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Lore is all about hunting magical entities, binding them, and wielding their power

grand knot
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I see

frank light
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Yeah

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Cardcaptor Sakura is way closer to being Gatekeeper/Lore rather than Spiritual/Domain

grand knot
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It's not always shown, but every card she gets loves her
The mirror is one who shows it well since she gets used as a body double and thus talks to Sakura

frank light
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Because she has a literal deck of her own personal arcanum

She works to seal away magical beings that are dangerous to others

But it’s also not wrong for her to seal them, it’s her birthright

And every single card she gets is both a creature and also a power she can use

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Yeah exactly

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Cus as a gatekeeper it’s never that the way you seal your Other is wrong or immoral. It’s strange but never going to make you uncomfortable,

grand knot
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I see

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Renegade is also about solving magical things, right?

frank light
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Sometimes

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You’re typically better at doing schemes and being a bit of a rogue but

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I suppose it is a little bit of a detective power

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With strong defenses against the supernatural

grand knot
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Supernatural detective is a fun vibe

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So say
Something like Mononoke, where Kusuriuri must figure out the haunting then exorcize it is more renegade coded

fleet harbor
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Hmmmmm is Himawari from xxxHolic accursed

grand knot
fleet harbor
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She has an aura of extraordinary bad luck that she cannot control

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It doesn't effect her, or her parents

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But anyone else who gets close to her is at extreme risk

grand knot
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Interesting

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Gonna think on it, but I'm not sure

fleet harbor
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The main character doesn't learn this until he very nearly dies due to proximity to her

grand knot
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She is a bringer of disasters that affect other people

grand knot
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Maybe bindings

frank light
# 
Auxiliary - While other ranks exist below Auxiliaries, Auxiliaries are the lowest rank of the Cammora that still possess Evil's Ward. Thus, they can be considered the first official rank. They tend to work as underlings and workers, doing the bidding of their superiors in exchange for payment, protection, and promises of promotion.

Acolyte - The first real taste of actual authority in the Cammora. Acolytes are given access to arcane lore, taught the secret paths of the Evil World, and perform the Dark King's bidding on earth. They often ensure human governments and corporations fall in line with Evil's vision, planting Auxiliary workers in key components of the world.

Warlock - While possessing higher authority than Acolytes, Warlocks do not possess greater administrative duties. Their role, as much as the name applies, is to gather forbidden excrucian knowledge, spy on the affairs of gods, and overall become knowledgeable on things far greater than mortals. They tend to have bound monsters or familiars in their service.

Cardinal - Equal to the Warlock in rank, but sharing different duties. Cardinals are the greatest managers of the Cammora, watching over entire nations or corporations, and managing the greatest conspiracies. They also are some of the few humans who consistently meet with the Evil King himself, relaying his desires to the rest of the Cammora. They are typically Domicelli, as they are more suited to living in Evil.

Sovereign - Not technically an official rank, as they do not have Evil's Ward, but all members are expected to obey without question a Sovereign's words. They are powerful beings, holding a piece of divine law in their hearts. Some think they may be former mortals, but whatever they are, it is far beyond you. Still, they acquire the services of those with Evil's Ward for their own purposes and schemes. The King of Evil has three in his retinue. It is best not to seek them out.```
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Cammora lore writing

grand knot
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So bindings, otherworldly and storyteller have vibes of something away from this world/civilization
How to differentiate them?

frank light
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that depends...

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sometimes you dont need to, sometimes they interact together

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but tbf storyteller is more about what you are to the world and the thing you represent in a storytelling sense

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otherworldly is...elemental

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the world you interact with is to some extent real but also the world it represents is elemental. thematic in that sense

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bindings arcs can be the same if you wanna connect them (you can plausibly do gatekeeper and spiritual in the same arc. or gatekeeper and called away)

but they also dont have to be

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bindings arcs tend to give you a solid definition for how you interact with that world

obsidian dagger
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Crucially, Bindings arcs involve interacting with a world that you are not properly part of.

frank light
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wibbles hands
It can get weird

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Lore/Gatekeeper for strategists especially is their birthright

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They are comfortable navigating the world of their sphere

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They are deeply connected to it

grand knot
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So someone who's say, a dream/illusion being who sunk her nails into existence and now sorta "exists" here?

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Deltarune got me in the mood, haha

candid compass
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Bindings is about you interacting with something that others consider forbidden or taboo

fleet harbor
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Bear in mind that there's some flexibility to all of this, though

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Arcs are packages of narrative, so if the package works for a character it doesn't need to be perfectly on target

frank light
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Yea

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Plus each individual arc is happy to get weird with the themes of the whole color

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They don’t like being strict to themselves

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Especially since what one arc means for one person is entirely different for another

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Hell, there’s like 3 fucking possible forms for allegory

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“Person who’s divine dream is twisted by falling from grace”
“Person who is trapped by the story of themselves.”
“Alien monster trapped within the world”

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(Fallen, serpent, wild/warmain)

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Reality syndrome also has a couple forms

Someone who’s experience of the world is broken

Or someone who has bound themselves to a part of the world extremely deeply

fleet harbor
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Especially when arcs mix

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Child of the Ash is by default a sort of miraculous puberty analog, but for Jen it's more strongly related to the blasphemy from Wounded Angel waking up

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And that blasphemy is also her realm from Wanderer

frank light
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Allegory and reality syndrome respectively

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fleet harbor
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Er, Called Away

frank light
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So yeah there’s a ton of wiggle room that you shouldn’t let yourself get bound by

fleet harbor
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Arcs can also have differences depending on whether they're progressing or not

frank light
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And also elaborates on why warmains have allegory as a Flore equivalent, narratively

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Because that’s what measures their immersion/being trapped by the world

grand knot
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So could use these for say a dream world, though would have to work it a bit for bindings
And they all fit for the void

frank light
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possibly!!!

fleet harbor
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Power of Rats and Bats

frank light
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woaw

grand knot
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Anyone have a link for that sorta AMV of Miramies Mesmer?

vivid wraith
frank light
grand knot
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Seems chuubo content mostly exists on tumblr

vivid wraith
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yeah

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(Livejournal?)+Dreamwidth+tumblr have hosted jennagame colonies at various times

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Karma Chameleon has like... singlehandedly made 70% of Chuubo's fanart

frank light
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Karma is the chuubo head

grand knot
narrow tartan
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Nice find

grand knot
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I have the idea in my head of a metal gear codec conversation about how, now that the war can no longer be openly conducted in the setting of Chuubo's, the main form of warfare is shenanigans and petty pranks

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"War. War has changed"

tall jolt
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If there are destruction based concepts in the world, I suppose those would be avoided by Excrucians?

grand knot
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"Okay," said Rinley. "Show of hands. Who here is not now, nor have they ever been, evil?" Miramie looked like she hoped the rooftop might swallow her up if it would make this conversation not happen. De Montreal, by contrast, was glaring hard enough to punch holes in innocent shrine maidens' heads. The Angel of Fortitude, whose face was hidden behind his helmet, shrugged exaggeratedly.

fleet harbor
tall jolt
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yeah but they go out of their way to not destroy the fourth age too

fleet harbor
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Do they? I don't recall anything of that sort

tall jolt
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Yeah, theres a story where an angel reveals themselves to represent themselves as the fourth/5th age or whatever and the Excrucians flee.

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because that age has the potential to be an excrucian victory

fleet harbor
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I'm confused by this because the 4th Age is Ananda

tall jolt
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The Angels held a bloody line in Heaven; broke their charge. And
in the Seal of Time, as they went to cut down the last remaining Ages
of our World, the Excrucians met Attaris, the Imperatrix of the Third
Age, the Age that is. Attaris, who showed her face to them and turned
them back, who threw off her shroud and stood revealed to them as
Attaris Ebrôt Appêk ā, Magister of the Wild, tutelary spirit of the Age
of Pain. They dared not kill her, for she was the very War they waged.

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3rd is what I meant :T

frank light
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Oh

tall jolt
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yeah lol

fleet harbor
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Excrucians also haven't been a unified force in a long time

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So individuals may decide on different priorities due to different metaphysical interpretations or just personal dislikes

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It is noted that destroying one's glitch's estate doesn't help strategists, though

frank light
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Their bane is just an expression of how the world is wrong and will thus take any form necessary

tall jolt
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Me wanting to play Nobilis again lol

grand knot
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I like Miramie's mystical and ethereal vibes
But also love the idea of her forging big sword out of glass shards and going wild

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Oh get leonardo to help place a mini black hole in it

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Or a supernova

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Unrelated but, sentimental empowered plush

obsidian dagger
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Sentimental would be the arc to let you love a plush until it’s Real.

narrow tartan
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Spirits probably be all runny sometimes

obsidian dagger
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A lot of Marina and the Diamonds songs could be parsed as Dark-coded.

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Also, why do I feel like television is a Dark/Game-coded Estate? Maybe because there were some rumblings about Rinley being construed as serving it (before being discarded as too silly)?

grand knot
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Spiritual seems difficult to apply to an excrucian

fleet harbor
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Strategists have it

grand knot
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Oh they do?

fleet harbor
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Oh wait no

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Sorry I was thinking sentimental

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Spiritual is unique to the nobilis

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Since it’s about directly controlling an estate

grand knot
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I see

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Was thinking more in the sense spiritual connects you to an aspect of the world
And excrucians are at odds with it
Strategists have a broken relationship with the world

fleet harbor
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Aye but even imperators lack Domain/Spiritual

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Powers can be seen as weapons platforms: they have superb physical and mental abilities, the ability to directly wield both an estate and its properties, and they can establish connections mundane, magical, and even miraculous entities to wield them towards whatever end

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Most Imperators can’t do any of that, or at least not so directly

magic mason
# grand knot Spiritual seems difficult to apply to an excrucian

Warmains had Domain in 3e but the stuff they used domain for ended up becoming some parts of all their new stats that fit them a bit better

However there is some solid potential to Spiritual with a pseudo estate, arikel/eclipse in Chuubo’s is neat for being very Excrucian coded and having Spiritual of a specific event, The Death Of The Sun

grand knot
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Cool

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Half-spirit/deity of nature, or priestess
Is a character I like
And clashing with how much I like strategists too

fleet harbor
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You could do both

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In one character

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A strategist who was like a nature priestess of the Not, and has a hard time not also being a nature priestess of the Is

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High Lore and Flore

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With some Eide

grand knot
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Oh cool!