Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)

[fleet harbor]

But no Natalia would never be maniacal that would require far too much demonstration of affect

[frank light]

natalia put on the evil cape

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. What skill would you give to an ordinary giant sized snake?

Probably. Superior giant snake 3+

[magic mason]

Superior Really Big Snake 3

[narrow tartan]

Strategist with a sarcastic bond

[obsidian dagger]

Does Iruma (from Welcome to Demon School, Iruma-Kun!) have The Ace? Probably not, but I feel like he sort of almost could, especially early on?

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. One of my ideas about nobilis would imply that the Sun isnt an estate. Sunlight it however

[narrow tartan]

One of my headcanons is that places other than earth have something like the prosaic. But its like comparing the skin of an apple vs the skin of an orange.

[frank light]

yea

[narrow tartan]

I could see D&D being an Estate.

[vestal mist]

Does that imply Hasbro is an Excrucian?

[reef perch]

you're thinking of pstates. hasbro, i could see being an imperator; the question is who the noble of d&d is

[vivid wraith]

matt mercer

[restive ridge]

The Noble is Hasbri

[restive ridge]

Nobilis

[restive ridge]

I miss playing Glitch

I completely misunderstood what the game was when I played it but it was so fun

[restive ridge]

There's one dude in Fate that can basically kill anything because he was raised in the forest and doesnt know you arent supposed to not be able to do it and I feel like if you showed him to a bunch of Deceivers they'd crown him Emperor

[vivid wraith]

amazing

[restive ridge]

He's great

Regular physical human but its just his fucking mindset that does all the work

(His actual arc is about being forced to integrate into society and subsequently losing this power because Fate is very much about the decay of once great powers but its too funny(

[narrow tartan]

Chuunibyo strategist with human friend group who doesnt realize its not a bit

[vivid wraith]

yea

YEAAAAAH

[frank light]

Yeah

[magic mason]

I think the Accursed deserve to be dragged to fun activities by a bunch of oblivous fools, unaware of the wrongness

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Characters who are a what vs characters who are a who

Also. I dont think I have any good chuuni strategisrs

[frank light]

yeah

[obsidian dagger]

I feel like chuunibyou are more likely to be Deceivers than Strategists?

[vivid wraith]

you literally have a cursed left arm (World-Breaker's Hand)

[obsidian dagger]

oh no. You're right.

[frank light]

and warmains!

[obsidian dagger]

just remembered that one time I found a Sonic the Hedgehog Glitch crossover (all the Sonic characters were Strategists).

I vaguely remember that Tails tried to punch a hole in the bottom of Hell so that truly wicked souls would simply fall out of existance, but he failed and was killed in retaliation. (He still talks to Sonic at one point. He's just dead.)

[jovial cipher]

just realised something
Glass-Maker's Dragon, as a campaign, came out in 2017-2018 and supposedly takes years to play through

has anyone played a RAW campaign of GMD such that they can actually give a true and honest review

[restive ridge]

Well after such a long time playing anyone would have forgotten basically all details

• ||Iolithae Septimian||

[fleet harbor]

What does RAW count as in this case? There’s a lot of potential variation outlined in the book

[frank light]

Yes actually

I know someone who’s played through like, 8 arcs of it

They really enjoyed it

[narrow tartan]

Logically. In a GLITch game. My PFPs first arc would be a purple arc about rebuilding the shrine she lives in. Which was designed as a weapon meant to use the prosaic world to murder true gods, or at least hurt them.

[vivid wraith]

ooooooh

[narrow tartan]

Shes not planning to use it or anything, just. She lives there and really wanted it to do well

[fleet harbor]

Position: the album "Flood" by They Might Be Giants is very retired-excrucian-coded

[vivid wraith]

ohoho?

[restive ridge]

Wow just like the hit poetry based farming sim ttrpg The Flood

[fleet harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pud7rt4KhU Tell me this isn't a chancery Strategist song

[reef perch]

i am unfamiliar with tmbg but i know istanbul not constantinople is on the album and i would imagine this strategist being old enough to need to remind themself of the change

[obsidian dagger]

consider: a Primordial who gets extra limbs based on the question "what does it mean to be human?"

[frank light]

That’s fun

[fleet harbor]

Now I'm imagining Ravel from Planescape Torment as having Primordial and doing this with "what can change the nature of a man?"

[obsidian dagger]

I haven't played Planescape: Torment, but wouldn't that kind of fit?

[fleet harbor]

I'm not sure if Ravel is Primordial but yeah, it's the arc question of the whole story and also the question she asks people all the time

Before rejecting their answer and inflicting some horrible torment on them

[obsidian dagger]

ah, Creature of Delirium

[fleet harbor]

The Nameless One might actually work better as a primordial with that question

He's Very Very Very Immortal and that question hounds his steps

[frank light]

nodnod

[obsidian dagger]

Honestly, it's noted that Primordials are allowed to ask "what do you think <the thing I'm turning into> means" if their Concept is too abstract to get limbs from. So becoming human... is weird but not wrong.

[frank light]

yea

primordial is fun

[fleet harbor]

Spoilers, btw, but his final answer to the question is amazing

|| The Nameless One: Then this is my final question: What can change the nature of a man?
The Transcendent One: The question is meaningless.
The Nameless One: Nonetheless, before there is an ending between us, I will hear your answer.
The Transcendent One: Then this is my answer, and you are the proof: Nothing can change the nature of a man.
The Nameless One: You're wrong. If there is anything I have learned in my travels across the Planes, it is that many things may change the nature of a man. Whether regret, or love, or revenge or fear - whatever you believe can change the nature of a man, can.
The Transcendent One: Then you learned a false lesson, Broken One.
The Nameless One: Have I? I've seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil hag's heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.
The Transcendent One: Your defiance will hurt you more than any wound in this place. Belief cannot change the nature of a man.
The Nameless One: I think it can. I think belief could even unmake me, if I believed it enough.||

[frank light]

cus at the start theyre still trying to figure out what kind of god they are

and have to be based a little bit on others perceptions of it

[obsidian dagger]

I want to click that but also I don't want to click that.

[fleet harbor]

You should click it

[obsidian dagger]

but it's spoilers for a game I ought to play someday.

[fleet harbor]

I guess, although I would say it's spoilers of the hype variety rather than the "well now this is ruined" variety

PST is very much journey

Rather than destination

That said, I think it is the true spiritual ancestor to Disco Elysium

[frank light]

nodnod

on the topic of disco elysium, i do think that there are many fun pulls for "imperator philosophies"

...at least Rules and Game

Volition is arguably Rules at its best

[obsidian dagger]

I'm trying to figure out if "devil town" (in one of its three iterations) is something. Maybe Troubled? Maybe Called Away?

[vivid wraith]

"cold in the summertime" devil town? Or a different one?

[obsidian dagger]

yeah that one.

and, if it is, which version to use. I could see Troubled or Called Away or Sentimental.

the fact that Strategists get two of those is probably not a coincidence.

also versions 2 and 3 of the song reference self-harm. I realize I should probably TW for that.

I'm in A Mood but maybe Meteor Shower is something. It's like... Sentimental but specifically Strategist Sentimental, I guess? Or maybe it's Indomitable. I'm just in a weird mood listening to cavetown songs.

the reference to falling stars also skews things

[restive ridge]

Dying of Hype Moments

[obsidian dagger]

The other day, I learned that the Strategist version of Reynard Mesmer was apparently Reginald Malakh and. Since when. I always thought he was Renauld.

Renauld is a cooler name anyway.

[fleet harbor]

How Flower Rites work

[frank light]

True madness

[restive ridge]

It all makes sense tbh

[narrow tartan]

World with insufficient amount of bone

What if. Grabby birds are defined by something they lack the ability to make themselves and then manipulate what they take from others?

Just this bird comes and steals bones from you. Because it cant make bones so her companions are all floopy

[restive ridge]

Nods nods

[ruby ivy]

mama bird does the thing where they vomit out food to feed their chicks, but it's bones instead

[narrow tartan]

(Wanderer, Gardener, Theft and Eide) I came up with the set a while ago. And knew sort of what they were like. But didnt have a central thing to build around

[ruby ivy]

baby bird, still growing, is extremely floppy

[narrow tartan]

Cant even fly

[narrow tartan]

Dark Lord and Light Lord experience a freaky friday switch

[obsidian dagger]

What color would be an Issue for "I've stopped treating what I'm seeing as real"? This is for characters in time loops who start feeling like it doesn't matter what they do since it'll all be reset, or characters who are fully aware they are in a simulation and therefore feel no need to take things seriously, or people who know they're dreaming and so ignore all the consequences in their internally-consistent dream world, or stuff like that. Probably Black?

Yeah, probably Black. I was imagining it primarily for time loops but it could apply to other things.

...it was designed thinking about that trope of how characters stuck in groundhog day loops will take a day to be just wild and crazy and not care, but it also applies to "oh, I have voluntary time travel, I'll just undo this".

Yeah, Black, for sure. Because "I have voluntary time travel, I'll just undo this" is a lot like "I have magic wish powers, I'll just wish away the problem" and that's Trust whch is Black.

[fleet harbor]

Agreed

That seems to map to Awakening in particular

[obsidian dagger]

Maybe something like:
0: This is real. This matters.
1: What you're experiencing... isn't as real as it could be. You'll still try to do the right thing, but... it's nice having that safety net.
2: Because what you're experiencing isn't real, you don't have to worry as much. You don't have to care as much.
3: You can do things that would otherwise be selfish, or callow, or cruel, or just plain stupid, because this isn't real. It's not like they have any actual consequences.
4: Something went wrong. You thought you could undo something, but you can't, or you learned your understanding of the world is wrong. Now you have to face some consequence for your action.
5: You're so used to this that it's hard to even remember what it means for something to be real.

Arguably this could be similar to Vice in some ways, since I imagine it being incremented by Wicked Actions. But arguably not?

[obsidian dagger]

Is "I follow the Hippocratic Oath" a valid Truth for Become Somebody, or should it be broken down into multiple Truths and purchased over time?

Probably breaking it down is better, because the broader wording just prevents you from intentionally breaking it, whereas "Whatsoever I shall see or hear in the course of my profession, I will never divulge" could be construed to block mind reading.

[restive ridge]

Its simple enough conceptually to be a single Truth

[obsidian dagger]

I am learning that "first, do no harm" is not in fact part of the original oath. But I can clearly imagine Become Somebody for a doctor who is shielded by their oath to never intentionally harm their patients and to always give them the best treatment possible (and not be coerced into cutting corners) and to always keep their patients' privacy.

Question: if someone had that as a Truth, and then had their Weymark extracted, would that provide an auctoritas against a Creature of Delirium trying to use their senses while they're consulting with a patient?

Probably not. That might be a bridge too far, at least without a more narrowly tailored Truth (and I can't figure out how to clearly word one that would definitely stop that).

[narrow tartan]

Original hoppo ratic oath

[frank light]

Absolutely

The Hippocratic oath is a great Truth

[undone flame]

is Beasts too wide a portfolio for a power

Actually wait no

I got it

The Power of Nursing Animals Back To Health

[vivid wraith]

ooooh

[narrow tartan]

Power of Exotic Pets

[frank light]

Beasts works

[frank light]

Though yes so does this

[patent tiger]

Estates can be pretty wide if you want them to be

[frank light]

The funny thing is the wideness of an estate does not determine how strong it is

Each estate is a metaphysically discrete thing

And so the estate of French fries stuck in the corner is about as powerful as the estate of potatoes

[vivid wraith]

the Viscount of Beasts must kneel before Goose's-Regal, should they trespass upon xir realm

[patent tiger]

Nah, xe invested in Domain instead of Persona like an idiot

[narrow tartan]

Unfortunately Ru, you qualify as a goose

[undone flame]

TWO LEGGED
EXTENDED NECK
THIS IS A GOOSE

[magic mason]

There is no such thing as “too wide” the only real restriction is you can’t pick it if there is a type of god based around it

Or at least, you can’t literally pick it

Maybe you can be a god of Heaven, but like, the stories they tell about Heavens and Afterlives

Rather than the actual place the angels are from

[patent tiger]

You also can't pick miraculous power directly, per 2e (which I imagine is a comment that came from people trying to weasel exactly that (I would do that))

[magic mason]

The big estate I need to remember you can’t take is Humans

[patent tiger]

Yeah - I was gonna mention that, but strictly speaking this covers it

Since Humans have birthed two types of gods from their brow

[magic mason]

It does!

[vivid wraith]

Weaseling an Estate of Homo sapiens

[magic mason]

I just thought it was important to call out specifically

[magic mason]

I could see that
God of the modern mythos of what humans are and how they came to be

[frank light]

you can declare something a man

[patent tiger]

...Power of Great Men

I wanna do that sometime

That would be so fucked

[frank light]

would be pretty funny

[vestal mist]

Diogenes, that you?

[fleet harbor]

Here’s a question: what are Jack’s, of Samurai Jack, arcs?

Ace seems obvious, but what else?

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Mystery named Alucard

[frank light]

persona
specifically the way froofs does it where its about a personal mythos

[fleet harbor]

Should he have anything for The Sword specifically?

Since his magic sword is a big part of his whole deal

Or would that fall under Persona?

[frank light]

i think the sword could be an accessory

alternatively it could be an implement of his in Allegory

...in fact actually- i think he might have Allegory as well

[obsidian dagger]

Is he revealed to have been responsible for stuff? Is he unusually competent when getting around? Is he a metaphor for something?

[frank light]

he was around like, 100 years ago

so theres some elements of it

he does get around a lot

[fleet harbor]

I barely consider Season 5 canon >_>

[frank light]

or was it 1000?

i forget

[fleet harbor]

80

[frank light]

oh okay

[fleet harbor]

As of Season 5

Jack is just sort of the eternal, wandering notion of justice

I don't know if that's literal

There's one really good episode which centers around a group of bounty hunters

They're all waiting for him to come down a path

And they all talk about their plans to capture and defeat him

Like that's pretty much the whole episode

And then in the last minute he finally shows up and defeats them all effortlessly

But that was S4 and admittedly S4 was getting more conceptual

[frank light]

mhm mhm

it does lead me towards thinking about persona

at least in some small way

[obsidian dagger]

I mean, that could just as easily be Allegory; they're both Orange.

And it doesn't sound to me like he pulls people into his Mythos, so much as that they're already in it.

[frank light]

true

but to be fair pulling someone into a mythos doesnt have to be all that visible

it sometimes just means that the rules about your mythos, or the story about yourself, you can just
apply it to someone else

it's a tough one!

[candid compass]

That episode was very fun

[restive ridge]

I think Jack has Yellow Orange Black and Purple

With frantics and immortals

[narrow tartan]

Excrucian strategist. Watching anime and horror films to brainstorm uses for their powers

[restive ridge]

Is trying to get two idiots who are both your friends to finally admit their mutual feelings Red or Purple

[candid compass]

Depends on how you feel about it

If you do it because you care about them and feel it's your responsibility, it's Purple
If you do it for the drama, it's Red

[vivid wraith]

Red

If you're not doing it for the drama what's the point

[restive ridge]

📝

[frank light]

Sometimes yellow

[fleet harbor]

Hey, does anyone happen to have the Nobilis version of the burn damage vs. ignition ravages post?

[fleet harbor]

Thank you Stepnix

[vivid wraith]

i'm so happy i had it saved

[vestal mist]

So good

[frank light]

it's so good

[restive ridge]

Chuubo gets asassinated by the KGB 25xp

You may take this free-standing Quest anytime if you are the Wishing Boy/Girl

Major Goals:
- An adult punishes you because they think you are lying
- You wake on a  surgery table or hospital bed
- Your legal guardian takes a hit for you
- Someone, probaly the Prodigy, finally believes your stories
- The last warning arrives

Minor Goals:
- Some of your stuff (a pen, a plush, a water bottle) goes missing
- You see a shadow in the corner of your eye
- A pieve of evidence falls within your lap
- You receive a mysteriou and minor injury
- Something breaks right as you touch it.

After you finish this Quest, at the next appropiately dramatic moment(usually as you finish the Quest), your asassin finally attempts shoots you in the head. What or who takes the bullet for you? How is it irrepairably injured? Or maybe you just wanted to play someone else.

This uuu

Came to me

[frank light]

Holy shit

[vivid wraith]

no way

[restive ridge]

Intended for use with the "Chuubos legal guardian is an FBI agent" option

[fleet harbor]

XD

[narrow tartan]

I am now imagining a mundane FBI agent getting sucked into whatever and just dealing.

Like.

[fleet harbor]

It's Sam Securityguard

[frank light]

we love Sam

[obsidian dagger]

I recently discovered LORED, an incremental game which... might be interesting? There's a free demo for it. The reason I bring it up here is because if you mouse over a hidden upgrade, it gives you a randomly-selected text blurb of what it might do, and some are very Moran-esque.

Like "maggots, instead of eating rotten meat, eat themselves up so you don't have to look at them". Or "unlocks the celery faucet (a faucet in your house which, when opened, extrudes a continuous stream of celery)".

[frank light]

ooooo

thats fun

[obsidian dagger]

to be clear: the upgrades do not do these things. It's just a random gag.

[narrow tartan]

Inspector gadget was not a major part of my childhood... But. Penny as a Serpent and Inspector Gadget her eauivalent of the Wish Granting Engine (she has low Reality Syndrome/Sealed)

[frank light]

lmao

[narrow tartan]

Huh. Just realized. My PFP might have gotten her. Retreat place locked down to one pretty specific location? But she has enough Wyrd to just go there

[frank light]

nodnod

[frank light]

https://bsky.app/profile/pixelcoffea.bsky.social/post/3llwvjh44xc2w

(@pixelcoffea.bsky.social)

hey guys whats up I just updated jasper's reference sheet for our gmd game :)))

The other players don't know that I have an extra kaiju form :)))

Bluesky · Apr 3, 2025, 9:58 PM

posting my updated ref sheet here

[restive ridge]

Cthulhutech:
Innovative scifi horror ttrpg/wargame hybrid with unique dice-rolling mechanics

Nobilis:
Yapping Spamming

F.A.T.A.L:
Medieval fantasy adventuring game with realistic subsystems and themes of class warfare and gendered violence

Chuubo's Magical Wish Granting Engine:

Quest Slop

Cottage&Cerberus:
Tactical combat adventure/community building fantasy game with experimental Cozy Coins mechanics

The Far Roofs:

Poker Slop

[vivid wraith]

it can't get away with this

[frank light]

poker slop?

[restive ridge]

Thats the part that got you?

[reef perch]

scrabbleslop might be more fitting

[obsidian dagger]

yeah the pokerslop ttrpg is Miserable Secrets! 😜

[restive ridge]

Slop is often defined by an abundance of multiple things that are part of it, saying that one thing is The X Slop doesnt make sense

(Deceiver trying to escape the Nobles Soupl Flood voice)

[fleet harbor]

It's woods time for you

[restive ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/pipe-bomb-miku-pipe-bomb-miku-silly-miku-silly-miku-pipe-bomb-gif-14794310888550215845

[frank light]

Morning gk

I updated my Jasper art :3

[fleet harbor]

:D

I saw

[frank light]

Hehehhehe

She’s doing sooooo well for sorrows week

[obsidian dagger]

If you want to see what the Illusion issue looks like, look at the cover of any golden/silver age comic book.

(They're trying for Mystery, but they're Illusion.)

[fleet harbor]

Including the ones where they pretend that Superman is going to light Jimmy Olsen on fire?

[restive ridge]

Especially those ones

[magic mason]

been relistening to a lot of my fav strategist coded songs

[obsidian dagger]

Those are the exact ones I'm talking about. It's an Illusion because what you're seeing isn't quite right — or, if things can't get reconciled before Illusion 5, it turns out those aren't even the characters you think they are.

[obsidian dagger]

What songs are they?

[magic mason]

I will make a playlist

[fleet harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63RNAMslVP4 I dunno if this is on that list but I think this is extremely Strategist

[frank light]

YESSSSS

I just like the song in general

[magic mason]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsEc41oypXvASAtROVtTYpIO75utc-Lh9
here is the playlist I threw together

mostly warhost flavored

[obsidian dagger]

I feel like something from Cavetown should be on there... maybe Meteor Showers? It feels like... Sentimental, but a Strategist's Sentimental in particular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxG1HlT8n-I I dunno. I listened to a bunch of Cavetown recently.

[magic mason]

I think a lot about sentimental strategists in the context of them being Ghosts haunting old friends and lovers

[obsidian dagger]

That... is an angle I didn't consciously consider but it fits well.

[magic mason]

Strategists have a lot of shared dna with like... Liches and Exalted Deathlords

Glitch even mentions that there are weaker Glitched people that still exist in creation
"Revenants" and "Haunts"

[obsidian dagger]

I'm listening to this to think about them for arcs as songs playlist, and the first one seems like it might be a good fit for Troubled.

[magic mason]

Yeah!
Honestly that whole album is very troubled

[obsidian dagger]

the problem with having one perfect fit is that nothing else is as perfect.

[magic mason]

like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-KrZaSXLdY

[obsidian dagger]

I ought to listen to the whole album and figure out which is best.

Ironically I already have tentative suggestions for the other Silver arcs, so that'd be the first color to finish (Thriller by Michael Jackson for Indomitable, and Afterburner by Qbomb for Accursed).

[magic mason]

Revenants just keep getting spawnkilled by their infection over and over
and Haunts are just horrible mindless monsters that spew their infection all over the place
Strategists/Deathwrights aren't just eternal suffering its "I somehow managed to, through sheer hate, pull myself together and not only remain a person but ascend to godhood in the process"

[obsidian dagger]

maybe it's just the songs. Maybe it's just my mood. But I can't help but wonder how much of Sentimental is "maybe, if I love this person enough, they can fix me".

[magic mason]

My fav indomitable song is I Am The Enemy by All Good Things
but that one works better for Warmains than Gamers and Wildlords

[obsidian dagger]

Thriller is a very silly choice, but it feels a lot like either Indomitable or Creature of the Light.

Part of that is because it references movie monsters and those are usually Indomitable, though.

[magic mason]

(All Good Things is generally very good for Warmains, because a lot of their songs are "Fuck You Come At Me")

[obsidian dagger]

Thinking about either Road to Nowhere or And She Was for either Called Away or Awakening.

[narrow tartan]

On earth the only actual metals are.
Iron, Gold, Silver, Copper, Tin, Mercury and Lead. The rest are actually fake.

Okay. Maybe also. Uranium.

And. Platinum?

And. Cobalt

[frank light]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[narrow tartan]

Or maybe bismuth? Dunno. So.

Thinking about. Seven classical metals

And. Trying to figure out which ones to add for outer planets

(pluto still counts)

[vestal mist]

Pluto is a planet

https://www.xkcd.com/3063/

I am specifically a Row 3 guy

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Heh. If each metal has an associated planet... Dwarf planets are young imperators assoviated with heavier metals

[obsidian dagger]

I rediscovered this interesting fic, which is unfinished and also I think I never finished reading it but it might be intriguing: https://archiveofourown.org/works/34796104/chapters/86641873

[frank light]

OH?

man i should try again to write my glitch fic

[obsidian dagger]

Is it a crossover?

...on the topic of crossovers, I think that there is a small chance Deceiver!Marche will make a cameo as an unnamed student of the Colloquium of Magi, if such a cameo is warranted in my Chuubo's game.

this guy. Don't ask where he got the giant sword; I don't know.

[fleet harbor]

The Giant Sword Store

John Finalfantasy and Sons Oversized Swords Inc.

[obsidian dagger]

I was going to say "he's convinced he gets loot from completing quests" but:

1. You don't get enemy drops in the game's Marche is from, only its sequel; and
2. The fantasy world with magic swords and stuff is not the True Thing. That's the entire point of his game.

you do still get quest loot though, I guess... but that doesn't solve point 2.

[frank light]

no no it was just a regular fic about a strategist

more or less a glitch solo game if you technically think about it

just...written as a fanfiction cus thats what happens if you play a morangame with only 1 person

[obsidian dagger]

fair enough.

[vestal mist]

In today's "weird Chuubo's side topics"

Is the Headmaster attracted to Elena Fieraru?

[fleet harbor]

(That's Romanian Natalia's mom)

(Revise to Yelena Koutolika if you so choose)

[vivid wraith]

sure yeah "Natalia's Mom" feels like she would be his type, somehow

[vestal mist]

...Wait

Is His type just... "playbook's mothers"

[vivid wraith]

no cuz like she's vampire-adjacent and that feels in line with his thematics

[patent tiger]

Inexplicably recurring Issue "The Lord Of Death's Dominion is dating my mom"

[vestal mist]

Jasper freaking out because she saw how this turned out last time

[obsidian dagger]

...presumably a red Issue? Or Silver? Why am I thinking about this?

[frank light]

LMAO

[restive ridge]

Yes

[narrow tartan]

I still like my joke. About a strategist watching MHA and JJKS to get new horrifying ideas about how to use her powers

Specifically. Shigaraki and Mahito

[magic mason]

Human in a Chuubo’s or Nobilis thing set on a Alfescine or something who has “Superior Namer Of Things” or “Magical Skill: Modern World” that lets them do earth science in a high fantasy setting where that isn’t or shouldn’t be how it works

On that wizard of Oz grindset

On that “Um actually that violates the laws of conservation of energy and I can use it to build a machine” game

[restive ridge]

Fire

[magic mason]

If its a Chuubo’s thing give them Gatecrasher and/or Creature Of Fable

Name their cut the soul “um actually”

https://preview.redd.it/g3zav4554c9c1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=6bf8a8564f75acb8774b91d602b86edf5ff635ab

guy who has this conversation all the time as the source of their power

[restive ridge]

Beautiful

[vivid wraith]

https://bsky.app/profile/cryptotheism.bsky.social/post/3llztk7eztk2p

FEMERALD TABLET (@cryptotheism.bsky.social)

im starting a foundation to introduce underprivileged children to forbidden techniques

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[magic mason]

Yipee

[candid compass]

Lexiarchos

[magic mason]

Holy shit your so right Alaen

[restive ridge]

Coriander if he was cooler

[magic mason]

Alright chat..
I made it

The magical skill

The Naming Of Things
A powerful magic born of the people of earth, and shaped by their prosaic which allows someone through careful perception and mental concentration to shape the world around them into something that “makes sense”.

Mundane ability
Obstacle 0
Recall a science fact that is relevant to the current situation

Obstacle 1
Monologue without anyone ever interrupting you.

Magical abilities

Obstacle 1
Force a spirit to come up with a grounded explanation for how it does the things it does

Obstacle 1
Point out that something is impossible under physics, potentially causing it to fail.

Obstacle 1
Use your knowledge or technology to fill people with fear or awe

Obstacle 2
Using appropriate materials, create a device that makes sense under prosaic physics.

Obstacle 3
Find an “exploit” within the logic of a system you are placed within, including a metaphysical one.

Bonds include:
I am always right.
I play a lot of video games.
If I adjust my glasses before saying something, it becomes cinematic.
I am a fraud.
I don’t believe in magic.
I am obviously the smartest person in the room.

[vivid wraith]

ooooooh

[restive ridge]

I am a fraud goes hard as

[magic mason]

Another notable thing: the prosaic doesn’t actually help much with the obstacle 3, so you probably need to know you are doing earth-magic to find a loophole/exploit in karma and reincarnation

Or something along those lines

[frank light]

Good lord

[frank light]

I will say that you should probably specify that obstacle 1 and 3 work on like, systems of magic or weird things if only because “obstacle 1 to point out something doesn’t work under the laws of physics” gets weird when it totally does work under the laws of physics

[magic mason]

that is... true

I was imagining it was showing up in a campaign context where thosse are a meaningful distinction

but just pointing out "someone walking couldn't/shouldn't work" unless there is some square cube going on probably shouldn't work

I forgot about that the corrupted fatalists exist

I fall into despiar

[restive ridge]

[Fluffy has been devoured by the ur-toads]

Rereleasing all american classic literature as Chuubo modules in a ditching last attempt to get the youth to read

[narrow tartan]

No, far roofs modules

[magic mason]

I feel like you could make a league of extordinary gentlemen type thing a chuubos module

where all the charecters are a refrence

[frank light]

Lmao

[vivid wraith]

hey Nostos is good
Very clear Chuubo's/Glitch inspiration, highly recommended, especially for people who got hyped up by Realis recently
https://honeycupgames.itch.io/nostos-preview-edition

[frank light]

Woah

[restive ridge]

oooh

[fleet harbor]

This is my entire field of study

[frank light]

What’s your take

[fleet harbor]

My take, as always, is that objective truth in classification does not exist so we have to ask what the point of calling them planets or not planets is

[vivid wraith]

to spread a great and dreadful curse across the land

[fleet harbor]

And for that I would need an astronomer to tell me if there’s any use to saying Pluto is not a planet

[frank light]

What if space is a planet tho

[fleet harbor]

-_-

[frank light]

Hehhehehehe

[fleet harbor]

Karen I am going to cast you into what isn't beyond Ninuan

[vivid wraith]

into the planet

[frank light]

WAUGH

[narrow tartan]

She'll be fine

I have a very silly fixation on trying to come up with scenarios in which a fantasy adventuring group would interact with an Imperator

[vivid wraith]

gettem

[narrow tartan]

Or other miraculous being. And have it be interesting...

Hmm.

[fleet harbor]

TFW you use miraculous necromancy on a wounded imperator to recreate him as something more palatable to his Powers

[narrow tartan]

I realized that in the past I have always read the description of Serpent Sealed wrong.

[vivid wraith]

oho?

[narrow tartan]

Well lit modded to have clear lines of sight and be at the highest point in the room.

[obsidian dagger]

Well-Lit usually defaults to placing the person atop things, I feel like. Maybe not always, but frequently.

[frank light]

you by default just have a sense/tendency for good lighting and being in the best lit place

and then you can power it up to increase that

you can throw some mp and then generate good lighting from anywhere

[narrow tartan]

nodnod but you can do alternate options. A sound version is obvious.

But. This just amusing idea to me

[frank light]

oh yeah you do have other options

and then with a power up perk you can add other options

yea

yeah well-lit to just, constantly be "above" people is funny

[narrow tartan]

What. Is the basic form of a red story?

[obsidian dagger]

Red is a very experiential color. It's about being, but in a less gentle way than Silver.

It's about pretty noises, wordsmithery, and cinematographic flourishes.

[frank light]

deeply connected to melodrama and reacting to things

it focuses on your reaction to information

[narrow tartan]

Yeah that kind of makes sense. They all impose a narrative.

Are these color pairs about right.
Blue:Green
Orange:Gold
Red:Silver
Purple:Black

[frank light]

pairs in what sense

like are they opposites or are they together or

[obsidian dagger]

there's lots of different color pairing schema.

[narrow tartan]

Like. Their is sort of a thematic connection? Like. One pushes the other pulls.

Blue encounters the other and well binds it.
While Green is corrupted by the other and ultimately is about transformation.

[frank light]

ah

i think green and black are actually pairs, in that case

[obsidian dagger]

I donn't know where to find it exactly, but there's an entire list of inversions discussed for speeding stuff up, and a potential additional set for drama?

[narrow tartan]

Silver is about experiencing life. Ree is about how you are experienced.

[vivid wraith]

I tend to think of purple and silver as a pair

[frank light]

i do agree with red and silver being a pair as well

[narrow tartan]

Oh I see how green qnd purple are a pair

[frank light]

but
yeah theres a lot of ways they can actually be pairs

[vivid wraith]

the symbolic complex is full of potential resonance, who could have expected this

[narrow tartan]

My thought on purple and black was that Purple is about connecting with the world and Black is abour the world connecting with you?

Honestly I am now imagining using the colors to help design magic systems

[obsidian dagger]

I think you can make lots of different sets of pairs by inverting over different axes.

https://jennamoran.tumblr.com/post/180491448243/the-horizon-campaign-16

There's another post in the same campaign series nearby, I think, which talks about other inversion schema?

[frank light]

lmao

[obsidian dagger]

That post posits:

Blue       <=>        Red
Purple   <=>        Gold
Orange <=>        Green
Silver     <=>        Black

[vivid wraith]

Black arcs are the ones I feel might be the fuzziest for me because they're literally theological

"you are turning into a god" great let me refresh myself on the local nature of divinity

[frank light]

i do remember there were some pairs in Bogh

[obsidian dagger]

That's for quest XP icons, but it's a pairing. There's another model for awe but I cannot find it.

[frank light]

but those were also based on issues

[vivid wraith]

(i was probably overthinking it, Unicorn/Numinous feels like a really solid guidepost here)

[frank light]

for npcs vs pcs

cus pcs have issues while npc issues tend to be based on pc issues

[frank light]

yeah lmao

theyre very uh

[obsidian dagger]

Right, yes, that mapping is also something I'd like to see.

[frank light]

i mean yeah it's very theological lmao

primordial and prophet literally posit you in a religious context

and awakening has EVANGELISM

[frank light]

one moment!

[obsidian dagger]

But I think that you can make pairs in lots of different ways, depending on what axis you invert them over. Internality versus externality? Speed? Gravitas?

[frank light]

honestly the fact that accursed for an npc is based on Trust

at first i didnt get it

[obsidian dagger]

Iiinteresting. The one time I tried to do something with that, I did NPC's black issue to PC's purple issue, but that was probably wrong.

[frank light]

but then i started thinking about it

primary example that immediately comes to mind is Arikel as Arikel, with accursed being the eclipse thing

[obsidian dagger]

It's not their trust. It's that as you start getting more nonchalant, more accepting of the majesty of the world...

...the people close to you ae the ones who suffer.

[frank light]

Trust is what happens when you start relying too much on mystical/supernatural powers, or you put your trust too much in things that are risky

yeah

and then eventually...you get burnt

[vivid wraith]

oooooh

[frank light]

an accursed npc might turn on you as their sickness overwhelms them

or if theyre an npc for whom you have come to rely on

their sickness overwhelms them and suddenly you cant rely on them

like, if you have a strategist buddy and you've been relying on their wbh a lot and suddenly they cant because they've got their whole chronic illness metaphor going on and you're suddenly left hanging...yeah thats a trust issue thing

[obsidian dagger]

I was thinking more like... they're the canary in the coal mine. You think everything's fine, and that's why you're building up Trust, and that ends up hurting them first.

[frank light]

yeah

or maybe not even hurting them!

like, the narrative i have in my head is that you have a strong friendship

but then in a situation where you might need them, because you've come to rely on them

they simply...aren't able to come!

not even for their own faults it's just...accursed is that way

[obsidian dagger]

...I am suddenly thinking about Miquella and Malenia from Elden Ring.

[frank light]

oooo

yea

[obsidian dagger]

I don't know exactly what he's doing, but "ritualistically shedding your flesh and mortality piece by piece" is very, very Black.

Also, Trust isn't the only Black issue. There's also Isolation.

And Hollow.

[vivid wraith]

Hollow
-# Hollow
-# hollow

[obsidian dagger]

Which implies that if you're having trouble connecting to people, then... well, you'll especially have trouble connecting to those people.

[frank light]

im so fucking proud of this little flourish i did on hollow in deltachuubo

[frank light]

to be fair, it doesnt mean their suffering is caused by you necessarily

just that green issues increase at the same rate as your black issue

a character with vice or sickness simply getting worse as you get worse

for example, hollow, at 4-5, starts to get self-destructive/self-harmy

which actually may go REALLY WELL WITH SOMEONE WITH VICE

or someone who should have Vice

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah! And... well, it feels narratively right on some level that Strategists are punished for other people's mistakes. Yes, it's unfair. Yes, the causality might not be direct. But... reality is broken and unfair and it hurts them.

[frank light]

lmao yeah

[obsidian dagger]

honestly, a lot of Strategists probably suffer from other people's actions, either when those actions should be harmless, or when justice says they should hurt a different person. They're collateral damage. Which is just profoundly awful.

[frank light]

alas

the world is wrong

[frank light]

Indomitable 3 - She’s a monstrous sort of thing, something alien and really powerful. She tends to be super strong, able to sniff you out, snap her fingers and curse you terribly, and her minions tend to be really hard to beat. She also has an Inconspicuous Form(Below) that she uses a lot, and it’s really hard to detect. She might also be able to heal people, for some reason.

Allegory 2(“Magistra of the Third Age”//Failing:Pain) - She came from outside the world but she’s trapped in it, she’s a bit stuck in what she’s supposed to be, stuck in the story of what she is. The stories about her are all about the things she does and what she does to people, not about why. She tends to bring things to life, appears in backstories a lot, and she can manifest a floating orbiting arsenal of swords. 

Star Quality 1(“The story of a monster, caged in the world”//Failing:Still Pain)  - There’s this mythos about her, a thing she carries with her that leaks out into the world. A certain charm, a shine, though it’s pretty small, a je ne sais quoi even. It’s weird, and it’s not even that overt either. She just…sticks around in your mind that way. They say that when you’re in pain, there’s this uncanny sense that she’s with you, sitting next to you. Some say it’s because she’s half devil, I think it might even be true. I’m not sure why.
Of her mythos, only one Truth is known. “Brings pain”

Superior Vitality 3. She’s stronger than a bear and can wrestle like, 8 guys at once.
Superior Gate Opening 2. She’s got magic portals.
Superior Magister 1. She’s an uncanny kind of creature. 
Shine 1. She’s charming, somehow.
Solipsism 2. She views the world as a part of her, an expression of her.
Dark Queen 2. She’s pretty good at being a dark evil queen.
Love for the Damned and Wicked -1. She’s pretty bad at this. It’s not that she doesn’t have it, it just rarely leads to good outcomes.


Bond: “I am half-devil” 1
Bond: “I am blind to the lives of others” 1

A first draft of attaris.

posting my attaris statsheet in here

[vivid wraith]

"Still Pain"

[frank light]

still pain

in case you forgot

[vivid wraith]

😭

[frank light]

SO true

[obsidian dagger]

Did I mention that I recently rediscovered this?

link isn't previewing but it's Sonic characters as Strategists

who is Cedron? I'm guessing some power of the Dark? Is this a known character?

[vivid wraith]

Fallen Angel of Parasites, Passivity, Mistrust, and Growth

as featured in 2e

[obsidian dagger]

ah, alright. This was the sum total of his mention, and it was mentioned that the powers of Hell and of the Dark were involved, and so I guessed he was Dark.

Cedron himself even mocked me for it, when the time came to strike me down, and I don't think the witless fool ever even knew what it was that he said.

Incorrectly, apparently.

[narrow tartan]

Ryuugi, an author I like, who tends to start amazing fics tuen abandon then

[obsidian dagger]

did you post in the correct channel there?

[narrow tartan]

Yeah. Sorry. He has done some nobilis stuff

[obsidian dagger]

ah, alright.

[narrow tartan]

One of them, with only one chapter of course, was a glitch/worm crossover. In which Taylor was a Strategist who had previously been the Power under Cedron

[obsidian dagger]

Ah. Here, Cedron is just one of the many Imperators who were involved in killing Tails, and the only one mentioned by name.

[vivid wraith]

wow

[narrow tartan]

Ive seen the fic before but never read ir

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah, I read part of it, and ended up reading it all now (there is, uh, one chapter of actual content currently, but it's fun).

including the incredible supposition that ||Malambruno is suffering from teenage angst||.

[frank light]

Lmao

[frank light]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/61693696/chapters/165624352

@fleet harbor sigh here you go

[magic mason]

YIPEE

[restive ridge]

Another day another banger

[frank light]

thanks

[obsidian dagger]

Thoughts: Become Somebody can actually get a surprising amount of power out of even extremely mundane truths. In particular, I'm thinking about Thud!, where "||Every night, I read the book 'Where's My Cow' to my son||" gets used to very dramatic effect.

[obsidian dagger]

I am once again wondering what Nina from Artiswitch is.

[vestal mist]

Now thinking what arcs Calvin and Hobbes are on

[frank light]

yea lol

[obsidian dagger]

I'm not sure, but I will say I always imagined Billy Sovereign as basically being like Calvin's bully Moe.

[frank light]

hahahahaha

i like billy

he's a freak

[obsidian dagger]

horrible thought: someone has surely made a pState out of The Copper Sold by Ea-Nasir.

[frank light]

HAH

[frank light]

hit me with true god estates and deceiver pstates im about to do something crazy

[vivid wraith]

The Echoes of Deceivername's Voice

[frank light]

i like that

good good

i might use that actually thats really good

hit me with true god estates

[vivid wraith]

uhhh ponds

pond water

pond scum
one of those

[frank light]

ponds could be good...

[vivid wraith]

Still water

[frank light]

ponds is a good one

others?

[vivid wraith]

Hurricanes?

and
wage gaps

[frank light]

interesting...

i'll do storms

[vivid wraith]

toast

[frank light]

ponds, storms, aaaaaaand....

toast

sure

hm

no

bread

[narrow tartan]

Mist, Pareidolia, Museums, Provenance

[frank light]

Su'ul Niirim
Ponds, Storm, and Bread

Ability 1
Symbolic 4
Vastness 5
Wanderer 0
Deepness 3

The Echoes of Abernya

Ability 3 
Deepness 4 
Persona 0 
Sealed 4 
Theft 0

Glorious 
Durant

they will kiss

[narrow tartan]

😆

[vestal mist]

Hmmm?

[vivid wraith]

true god x deceiver shipping

[frank light]

true god x deceiver shipping

[vestal mist]

Ah

So a prototype to your Jasper x Leo fic?

[frank light]

no no

because leo is a mimic and this is a different context entirely

[vestal mist]

Suuuure

[frank light]

y-yes

[narrow tartan]

What is Q in nobilis terms?

[frank light]

from star trek?

serpent? probably? from what little knowledge i know

[vestal mist]

I thought Bond, lol

[narrow tartan]

Yeah star trek. And. Serpent. I can see that!

[frank light]

that or wild

[narrow tartan]

I like serpent better.

[frank light]

mhm mhm

[narrow tartan]

Oh. I once summed up the difference between Lore and Flore as the difference between the pokemon games and thr pokemon anime

Suddenly remembers ganon, zelda and link as strayegists

Or glitched people

[narrow tartan]

I dont remember if it was actually a glitch thing.

Ganon was presumably having his personhood crushed out by his power

Link was driven by courage into ever greater courage incapable of fear or doubt

Zelda's Wisdom left her incapable of surprise, knowing the outcome of every conversation

Ganon was the most aware of the three and wanted to free them

[restive ridge]

Thinking about my concept for the Noble of Love I never got to use

Their Imperator was one of the sealed off Angels from the Fall and only communicated and Ennobled them with weird dreams and visions. They would have no other Famillia and they would be trying (by doing some really evil stuff) to kill their Imperator because the seals seemed unbreakable, they were suffering in their current state and they have fallen in love with them.(get it? Trying to kill the Estate of Love because of love, hahahaha)

(They were supposed to sorta harass Stepnixes character but then also empashise with them because of their shared "Nobody gave me the training manual for being a Power")
(Also approach Ru's character for their schemes for slewing Love.)

(At the final step of that they were gonna betray Ru's character and just attempt a straight rescue of their Imperator, but that was pure GM-antagonist planning)

(Meant to look like Malenia, Blade of Miquella of course)

[patent tiger]

That’s solid stuff

[frank light]

Fuuuuck that would have been cool

[frank light]

we're at 1400 words and the number is only increasing

oh that reminds me

[frank light]

@fleet harbor did you ever see this

[fleet harbor]

I did!

Although not in a while

[frank light]

ah that is fair

chapter 3 is a funny one and ive gotten silly about it

[restive ridge]

Priestess Arknights Rules Lord Y/N

[fleet harbor]

Priestess Arknights Wildlord

Alternately: Priestess Arknights Actual

[restive ridge]

Ooooh

I dont think I can agree with Wildlord but Actual is genius

[frank light]

In the formed world, a raincloud opened an eye, and stared at the earth. It was a city. The concrete edifices of that humans crawl around in(And this was the beautiful maw of another God too, quite pretty. Su’ul should chat with it later, perhaps they may make war a bit). The echo did not originate from the whole city, but it was within it.

The eye looked deeper, and Su’ul strained. She is not a creature that is good at focusing, she is not a creature that is good at this sort of activity in general. But for the echo? It was worth it.

The eye looked and looked and searched and found a figure on a balcony, an awning shielding them from the rain.

They mumbled into the air aimlessly, and Su’ul was delighted.

The echo originated from their voice! 

She stared at him, through every raindrop and every cloud she could, drinking their features in.

It was a man, in dark black clothing. He looked extremely fashionable, for one thing. For another thing, he looked unworldly, like something about him didn’t belong in the world. Like he was from outside of it.

Oh, and his eyes were quite striking too. He did not have eyes, he instead had these windows into a plane of night and falling stars.
When she tried to stare at him with her other senses, to stare at the man’s shape in the deep mythic, she found only empty spaces. Like the negative space of geometry, implying something's existence through its rich absence.

The man was an excrucian. The echo was from an excrucian.

A monster that has come to destroy all that is good and right and natural and true.

Su’ul can’t help but continue to stare, and watch his face, watch him on the balcony mumble aimlessly.
Those mumbles are the most beautiful things in all creation, to Su’ul. She wishes she could just sit here and listen to him forever. She wouldn’t care what the words are, as long as it’s his voice.

Su’ul has never ever felt this way before about anything. It scares some part of her, some part of her is frightened by these new sensations travelling through her.
And another part of her is excited by the prospect, excited to know what it is like to feel this way.

And one final part is overjoyed at being able to hear the echo, so crisp and clear and it’s so much more entrancing in person. 

Su’ul has so very much to ponder, and she will very much enjoy pondering it.```

True god is very very normal about her first crush in the prosaic world

[narrow tartan]

One thing that is nice is that Abernya, as a Deceiver, has Deepness. So he can visit her world as well

Exist on and perceive the world through a different lense

[frank light]

This is the vision yes

[narrow tartan]

nodnod then they make kissy kissy noises rhat echo

[frank light]

hah

[obsidian dagger]

Glitter...
• ...gets everywhere
• ...isn't as valuable as it looks
• ...makes things gaudy```
What else should we have?

[patent tiger]

...lingers past its welcome

[obsidian dagger]

Probably! My Chuubo's group did decide it was probably a power of Hell.

Here's a question for you: what kind of Imperator would probably have Pain? (Or is that one of Attaris I's canonical Estates already?)

Because I could see arguments for anything, really.

I settled on these last time I tried?

Pain...
• ...is a lesson not easily forgotten.
• ...leaves its marks.
• ...is a warning and a harbinger of danger.
• ...tells people when something has gone wrong.
• ...is something which people want to avoid.```
Which... I mean, it could totally be Hell.  Or it could be Heaven, in the sense of it being a judgment or punishment.  Or it could be the tutelary Rules, trying to guide people away from wrong behavior.  Or it could be a True God, because it's so primordially *biological* that it lives underneath conscious thought.

[frank light]

theres a lot of possibilities

i could see it being Rules

Rules makes a lot of sense to me

[magic mason]

honestly I love rationalizing any state into any imperator with proper framing

[frank light]

but also true god is fun

[magic mason]

since it can suggest weird shit

[patent tiger]

Yeah, it's fun

[fleet harbor]

I also enjoy when an Imperator’s estates just don’t make sense for their type and all the universe has for that is a big shrug

Creation is just not very well-organized

[frank light]

yeah

i mean it could be "well organized" just not from a human perspective :333

[narrow tartan]

Strategist whose glitch became sentient after she tried to leverage it into a money making scheme

[frank light]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/64550899

TRUE GOD/DECEIVER FIC

[narrow tartan]

Read it. Nice start!

[frank light]

yay!

[restive ridge]

Mathematics:

• Are the foundation of Science
• Increase in complexity endlessy
• Are a part of day-to-day life
• Purify Lawsets
• Construct themselves into their own reality
• Are arbitrary and decided upon by people

Mimic Estate

[obsidian dagger]

...the idea of a character Dying of Strength fascinates me.

I was very scrolled up and saw a thing about Ganon as a Strategist and did not realize I was very scrolled up 🤦

[patent tiger]

That’s present in the Glitch example of play

(As a Strategist interpretation of the Familia from Nobilis 2e’s example of play)

[obsidian dagger]

Dying of Wisdom would be... uh. That reminds me I need to catch up on Kill Six Billion Demons because there's a character in Kill Six Billion Demons who definitely feels like she's Dying of Wisdom or Knowledge or something like that.

[candid compass]

Jadis could be Dying of Knowledge yeah

[candid compass]

Yeah the Glitch play example are the characters from the 2e play example, but as Strategists Dying of the things that were their estates in 2e

So Strength, Betrayal, and Eternity

[frank light]

They’re delightful

Jadis to me has a weird uh
Angelic or rules energy but I can’t explain why

She is for sure accursed

Just

Her way of acting feels angelic or rules

Or perhaps wild

[obsidian dagger]

...I wonder which type of Imperator would have Exoplanets? My first guess might be Heaven, since they're distant and unreachable possibilities which can only be observed from afar. But I could see a Serpent, or maybe a True God, because they're a place, and, furthermore, they don't do particularly much. They just are.

[magic mason]

I wanna say true god or rules magister

Because space is a prosaic thing so exoplanets being earth native makes sense to me

[obsidian dagger]

Fair enough. ...by that logic, they could even be Game, because what could be Darker than launching yourself into the dark depths of space looking for signs of alien life?

...maybe that's just Spaceships that are Game, though.

[narrow tartan]

It depends if exo planets are just other worlds on the tree or not

[obsidian dagger]

I don't think they are? They're the ones that mortals have detected.

[magic mason]

My thought was

true god of exoplanets would be the idea that there are alien worlds, that life isn’t just confined to earth and worms around throughout everything

A Rules Magisters of exoplanet would posit that exoplanets are there for humans. New lands to conquer, new resources to take, more for us to expand through

[narrow tartan]

Like, "What is space" is an interesting question

[candid compass]

the planets and stars that are real are other worlds IIRC, the rest are just fake stuff made up by the Prosaic

[obsidian dagger]

Riiight. I was unaware of the details of prosaic cosmology.

[candid compass]

it's a little odd

but basically the majority of space stuff is a lie made up by the Prosaic

[obsidian dagger]

I mean, on the topic, I ought to bring up this random post about The Night Sky Seen By <deceiverName>. https://morbidlyqueerious.tumblr.com/post/177551936322/manicpossumdreamgirl-coolcatgroup

[narrow tartan]

Why did the prosaic make that up?

[magic mason]

The prosaic, which was created when the meteor killed the dinosaurs posits that

its locations are relative

its particulars are measurable

its particulars are explainable

its particulars exert causal force

its events have causes

... these causes are impersonal

... these causes are amoral.

[vivid wraith]

For the bit

[obsidian dagger]

Probably because the Prosaic doesn't have a defined outer boundary spacially speaking? There's no rim of fire around the world. So it has to expand forever, and the particulars of that infinite extension must be measurable, and space is just filling in that infinite distance with measurable details.

[candid compass]

to give people a "reasonable" explanation for things

the Prosaic can get really funny if you think about it

[magic mason]

Jenna even gives an example of a Prosaic rite at one point called The Rite Of The Larch, which lets someone wield the power of the Prosaic to disprove/banish beings of pure good or pure evil(mostly angels and fallen)

[candid compass]

like how a lot of particle physics is people paying really close attention forcing the Prosaic to make up some stuff to explain it

[magic mason]

A game lord can say “actually morality is relative” to an Angel and temporarily fuck up that angels ability to do anything to stop the gamer

[candid compass]

but yeah the Prosaic was created after Zaa'fiel, the Angel of Destruction, wiped out the dinosaurs on Earth in a fit of rage
(he saw a dinosaur poop, and it disgusted him so much he just couldn't help himself)
(he is very sorry about it now)

[narrow tartan]

hmm

[candid compass]

and this was so horrible and undeserved, that it was not reconcileable with Karma

and thus Earth had to reject Karma and "deserving things" as a concept

and the Prosaic was created

where things don't happen for a reason, they just follow natural causes

this is also why Science is actually an Earth only thing for the most part

and it actually counts as a magical skill

[obsidian dagger]

I didn't know that, but that's fascinating.

I thought Science, Faith, and Sorcery was only called that because they're ways of knowing things.

[narrow tartan]

So, my line of thought is that the Prosaic makes things up when asked questions... so. It might not think very far ahead

[candid compass]

it usually doesn't yes

you can complain to the Imperator of the Prosaic I suppose

[frank light]

Some exoplanets might be unique worlds on the ash

And others could be chancels

It feels like one of those things that is like
So big it could have its own imperators
Or some are very small like Eris

[narrow tartan]

Earthlings go, "What are stars?"

Prosaic "Other suns"

[frank light]

The snakes believe the stars are alive

[narrow tartan]

"Whats around them"

Well. There is a difference between. What snakes believe and what the prosaic pretends is true

[frank light]

Like Mars is a canon world in Nobilis

It doesn’t actually orbit anything and it’s probably flat but the prosaic places it close by

But mars is a place you can go

The prosaic has a lot of stuff it makes up but the prosaic is more reasonably a perspective on the world, a way of seeing it tinted by senna cherib

There is a truth beneath it

[candid compass]

it's not completely false, yes
but it does obscure how things 'actually' are

[frank light]

But uh yeah also Science as a concept is something humans are really good at doing

Humans consistently create new rules and game magisters through their discoveries of the world and their naming of things

In some ways, the prosaic is full of things that are not true

But in other ways, humans have created many new things that are now true

[candid compass]

like how a bus in the mythic might be a huge beast of metal that devours people and brings them to other places
while in the Prosaic you just see... a bus

[frank light]

Yeah

Perspectives in the mythic get weird

[frank light]

Pretty boy

[candid compass]

the Prosaic is also why most people don't know spirits are fucking everywhere

and it's why dementia animi is a thing, and why it's so disorienting

[frank light]

Dementia animi is not being able to stop seeing a mythic perspective

It’s very bad yeah

Because perspectives matter a lot in Nobilis

Perceiving the mythic means it can hurt you

You differentiate a spirit from its environment by perceiving it and focusing on it

And if you can’t get out of the mythic you’re also threatened by Karma

[obsidian dagger]

and now my ADHD brain is thinking about Otherside Picnic, and one scene in particular, involving sunflowers.

[frank light]

Ooo?

[narrow tartan]

One way I reconcile the prosaic with the idea that other worlds are livable is that. That Earth is an orange and other worlds are apples

[frank light]

I think other worlds might just have unique perspectives

Because there is no reason for town to have a prosaic or chancels

And indeed, they don’t

Town doesn’t have Earths properties

They just also haven’t had their divine living spirit violated horribly by an angel(yet)

[obsidian dagger]

Slight spoilers but ||the main character has a magic eye which can see... other layers of reality, probably? It's intentionally very unclear. At one point, in the dreamlike Outside, she's in a town full of either people or sunflowers, depending on her perspective. She has a companion with her, who very much does not want to be there, and is in danger... so she looks at the companion and intentionally sees said companion as a sunflower rather than a person, causing them to become a sunflower rather than a fragile person who might draw in monsters.||

Later, ||the companion describes the event from their perspective as being stared at, and then paralyzed and rooted in place and unable to move. I think they also described being surrounded by people watching them? They were very upset about it.||

er. ||Otherside not Outside. I crossed my wires in here.||

[frank light]

Notably!!! These are earths properties!!!

Town does not have them nor does it have a prosaic

And indeed, in town, there is much more magic and much more mythical divine bullshit happening in public

And there is also deviant science as a magical skill

[candid compass]

that's what being in Ninuan is like

[frank light]

Town just has its own properties

[frank light]

Little bit yeah

[candid compass]

in Ninuan, attention and perception defines things

[frank light]

Ninuan and the mythic both have a special relationship to Attention

[candid compass]

in Creation, it's sort of a fractal thing

everything is what it is, but by paying close attention you differentiate the spirits

a lake is a lake, but if you look closely you might see that the lake is actually made up of many individual drops for example

and both that lake and the drops each have their own spirit

[frank light]

Each spirit does have its own unique perspective and does have its own unique will
An elevator for example, perceives itself going up and down whenever it wants to.

[obsidian dagger]

...what is going on in Otherside Picnic? I want to assign arcs to some of the characters, but it's hard in part because the story is not very clear about what's going on, and also sort of implies that the full explanation can't be understood if you want to remain human. Or at least it gives off that mood.

[frank light]

No idea cus I have not read it

[obsidian dagger]

you should read it.

[frank light]

Maybe!

[obsidian dagger]

The LN version is best, followed by the manga. The first episode of the anime is good, but it's definitely the weakest version of the story.

but there's a lot of stuff where it's hard to tell if people are encountering a weird facsimile of reality, or if that's what reality actually looks like deep down.

it also has lesbians.

[frank light]

@fleet harbor actually you know what I’m bothering you with this too

True god crushing on a deciever

[fleet harbor]

I have yet to look at this but I'm assuming the True God is like, "me, I also have deepness!" and the Deceiver is like, "uuuuuuugh"

[obsidian dagger]

does any arcset have double blue?

[magic mason]

Mimics

[obsidian dagger]

I thought so.

[magic mason]

Karen posted this at one point to describe their dynamic and I have not been able to stop thinking about it since

abernya(Internally) - truly it is wonderful to actually have a mortal who listens to me, who engages with me, and who seems to enjoy my presence. This is what being a deceiver is all about, really, these little moments.

Su'ul(internally) - him hand so warm

[obsidian dagger]

I was thinking about... there's rumblings in the Chuubo's book about a fifth type of Excrucian, related to Jade Irinka in some way, and I was envisioning them with Gatekeeper and Wounded Angel. And I was also thinking... of course, they're Excrucians, so they have eyes of night and falling stars. But not midnight. No, their eyes are tinged the faintest shade of blue, like the first hints of dawn, or dusk... or maybe there's just so many more stars in their eyes that it looks brighter.

[frank light]

Oh no it’s so much funnier

[frank light]

Yeah this is the dynamic

[fleet harbor]

... yeah okay

Okay I can buy this

[frank light]

She has ability 0
He has ability 3

she has 10 brain cells distributed across her entire true form and 5 of them are dedicated to thinking about a boy so

Yeah

[candid compass]

let me think of all the doubles
Mimics are double Blue
Wildlords are double Orange
Serpents and True Gods are double Green
Nothing has double Red
Zu are double Yellow
Ruleslords are double Purple
Strategists are double Silver
and True Gods are double Black

[magic mason]

I have a really silly headcanon/idea that the Orange Foritude Pc is the house of the sun Excrucian

[obsidian dagger]

oh interesting.

[fleet harbor]

Me should remember best think good about true gods is imagine them talk like this

[frank light]

LMAO

She’s also so bad at human speech that even the gift of tongues doesn’t help her Powers often

[candid compass]

Su'ul is not good at talking

[frank light]

She jumbles the concepts of words very often when speaking

And has to work hard to be coherent

[obsidian dagger]

The Headmaster of the Bleak Academy wants double Red but it's unclear if that's a Warmain thing.

[frank light]

Given that she is an amorphous and giant intertwined thing

She also has no idea what her own internality is

Hope you enjoy

[candid compass]

a lot of Chuubo arc assignments on characters are a bit weird now, because I suspect Jenna changed her mind about some stuff after writing Chuubo's

[magic mason]

My source for this is that the Orange fortitude PCs death is

Every night they dream about Jade, until one day, completely unprompted, dream jade glasses them with Angel lasers causing them to die in real life

[candid compass]

like how Deceivers in Chuubo have Wounded

[frank light]

Or at least after writing gmd

[magic mason]

But, because they are the fortitude pc, they become a god from this and return from the outside changed

[candid compass]

also Rinley having Domain in GMD

[obsidian dagger]

Oh fascinating. What Orange arc would they have? I think I had Gatekeeper, Wounded Angel, maybe Prophet, and then a big question mark for the fourth category. Presumably Star Quality?

[frank light]

Star quality

[magic mason]

I could see star quality

Allegory also is a funny alternative depending on how you frame it

Have them be like

Tied up in destiny

[frank light]

Allegory is fun

Because the “trap” of it can also be a fall from Grace
Or literally being trapped in the world

[obsidian dagger]

I think I like Star Quality more. Especially since... well, that was a Noble-exclusive thing, and Angels are capable of EnNobling people? Maybe it should stay a Noble-exclusive thing, though.

Allegory is really fun, but it doesn't feel right.

[frank light]

Star quality was always something shared with Deceivers at least

[magic mason]

Star quality is also the deciever iconic power

[obsidian dagger]

I'm misremembering details, it seems.

[frank light]

Since the start deceivers have had a unique and iconic relationship with star quality

[magic mason]

Domain/Spiritual is the noble exclusive

[frank light]

Yea

It’s wild

…no not wild

It’s “very wacky”

[magic mason]

No one else can just… throw around their element

Everyone who isn’t a noble has weird sideways powers

They can’t just fireball

[frank light]

Aspect is also a noble exclusive(WE ARE EXCLUDING ZU FROM THE CONVERSATION AS THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ENTRY IN ANY MODERN SIDEBARS)
(AND SHADOWS ARE WEIRD)

[magic mason]

SMH bullying deep Excrucians

[frank light]

Look deep excrucians are weird

Same with deep imperators

[obsidian dagger]

Is Prophet right for the House of the Sun excrucians?

[frank light]

They’re a different conversation to have

Prophet is fun

I can’t say what’s right or not but I believe I suggested prophet to you once

To represent them being infected with the sun

[obsidian dagger]

Possibly.

[magic mason]

(For context Bananatron, there is a 5th Excrucian type that exist below the layer things like true gods exist on, and eat away at imperator souls as weird abyss Kaiju)

[frank light]

Or maybe I said something else

[magic mason]

(But they never really come up)

[obsidian dagger]

right yes those.

I think I'd heard of those once?

[frank light]

In the shadows of the world
There are shadows of imperators and shadows of excrucians

And they both have the exact same stats except one of them has ace and the other has chosen one

Theyre weird and more of a shadowy implication of the world

Introducing them to a conversation makes things complicated

[obsidian dagger]

But... Prophet + Wounded Angel + Star Quality sort of implies that even as they rope other people into their narrative, pull them under the sway of their influence, they're also kind of being puppeted around. I don't think... I think they're something of an interface between their Blasphemy and the world. And I know that's always the case with Wounded Angels, but I suspect that they generally do not dislike their Blasphemy.

[frank light]

Mhm mhm

I mean their blasphemy could be something they don’t hate

But want to mediate

Gatekeep

They want to mediate it with the world and that means keeping it inside them without letting it uh
Break out recklessly

That’s valid

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah! But it's very different from, say, Mimics, who usually have a more antagonistic relationship with their Blasphemies.

[magic mason]

I do actually Really like their arc set

Child Of The Ash
The Ace
Awakening
Gatekeeper

Like a Chuubo’s character with any combo of two of those would be really cool

[obsidian dagger]

Gatekeeper gives Oblivious, so it's possible that they're frequently friends with their Blasphemies. And downplay how awful it would be if they were released freely.

[frank light]

Yeah!

[frank light]

Oh that’s funn

[frank light]

It is undeniably cool

Fun fact

The Second Self for deep shadows is uh

The thing on the surface

[obsidian dagger]

I'm imagining one of them getting injured, and sunlight shining out of the wound.

[frank light]

So the second self of a deep excrucian is some random excrucian or excrucian pair above

And the deep imperator is a deep imperator above

[magic mason]

Like imagine being a strategists “perfect little sister” with like gatekeeper and the ace but your still an Excrucian so your still fucked up

[frank light]

Funnnn

[magic mason]

Or you could do Child Of The Ash/Gatekeeper and be on your Cthulhu the Scientist-Priest shit

[frank light]

It gets wacky in the deeps

[obsidian dagger]

I'm almost tempted to try to sneak in Called Away somewhere, but I don't think that's right. But... Prophet used to be a sort of equivalent to that, and I think that's appropriate. I think their "Blasphemy" is actually their vision of the True Thing; of something so blindingly perfect and good that it would scorch the world away. At least, that's how they'd phrase it. And Prophet lets them use some of its power, and draw on what it represents in a more controlled way.

An Other is a world, in some ways. It's an entire realm.

[frank light]

Yea

[obsidian dagger]

...here's an idea: one whose vision is of a Dappled Forest, where elves and fae live freely. So they can use Gatekeeper powers to bind the fae from that vision of the forest, and can act as a Prophet of that sort of mysterious whimsy, and sweep people into fairy tales. And if they're too injured, their leash on the Dappled Forest lightens, and plants grow from their wounds.

Another might represent Progress, acting as Gatekeeper to futuristic robots, and becoming more mechanical in response to threats.

Oh I just thought of the perfect characters to represent this splat: Professor Sada/Turo from Pokemon Scarlet/Violet.

They're definitely Gatekeepers.

[narrow tartan]

Wait. Does Wounded=Girlboss?

[frank light]

…is gatecrash gaslight?

[obsidian dagger]

...I was going to say "no, because Gatecrasher doesn't gaslight people" but it kind of arguably does.

[frank light]

Yeah

Hm

[obsidian dagger]

The big thing that separates those of the House of the Sun from Deceivers thematically is that Deceivers can already see their True Thing. They believe it was always there, and merely needs to be revealed. Those of the House of the Sun are creating their vision of a perfect world. It's something new, something that could be.

[fleet harbor]

oh it's robin

[obsidian dagger]

Robin presumably does not have a seed of their perfect world within their chest, constantly straining to break free... do they?

[fleet harbor]

Not yet!

Arguably they're trying to put one in someone else's chest tho >_>

[obsidian dagger]

...man, the Yugioh Tistina are so cool and would work great as an Other for a Keeper (name pending) of a world of glass and crystal or something... but they're just so bad in the actual card game...

I mean, look at these.

[frank light]

Lmao

Yeah

[frank light]

Fuuun

[vivid wraith]

Glitch

[patent tiger]

Yeah

[frank light]

yeah

[obsidian dagger]

What are Fallen Angel Blasphemies?

[candid compass]

unclear

the most likely options are that it's some kind of wickedness they hold inside of themselves
or it's something related to their Fall

[obsidian dagger]

If it's the first one, then they probably also love their Blasphemy, because they're all-loving. But they're not Oblivious...

[fleet harbor]

I would assume it is at least partially something inflicted on them by Heaven

Maybe as part of the Fall

[frank light]

i have no idea
it's genuinely weird

i think it is something awful that theyre holding back but i dont know what it is

cus the word "Blasphemy" comes from mimics

mimic are the ones with a horrible Blasphemy in their heart, a thing that is a horrible lie and wicked power of the void

fallen...are not mimics!

[fleet harbor]

This actually just came up in mimicgame tho

[frank light]

they are a natural part of the world

it did

it did come up

and im gonna be honest im making up some bullshit as I go along

cus i have no idea what fallen blasphemies should be like

[fleet harbor]

Oh me too

[frank light]

hehehe

[obsidian dagger]

And Mimics hate their Blasphemies, generally. At higher levels of Wounded Angel, you can attain some sort of accord with your Blasphemy, and it'll help you. But at lower levels they typically hate it.

[frank light]

typically

their blasphemy is not good and it is horrifying and mimics actively do their best to keep it hidden

the fallen...are weird
lemme pull up their Wounded description

[fleet harbor]

Specifically, Robin and Estelle just rebuilt a Fallen

[frank light]

honestly it might be the fires of hell itself

that theyve taken into themselves

[obsidian dagger]

Iinteresting. That sort of implies it's the fires of Hell.

[fleet harbor]

And during the process, his blasphemy became visible (the resident angel looked away of course)

[frank light]

it would not be surprising!

"power born from the wicked fire at the nadir of the Ash"

[fleet harbor]

And since Estelle is going to get turned into a strategist by all this, I assumed Karen was implying that the blasphemy is representative of world's wrongness

[frank light]

that would be sick as fuck

[patent tiger]

…Which has some thematic implications with what I’ve been up to

Since Harmony just “fixed” the imperator born of and embodying that hellfire

[frank light]

"fixed" is a complicated word to add here

i dont think you did

[patent tiger]

It’s good now

Harmony fixed it

[fleet harbor]

Giving it a second head that's very chipper is definitely fixing

[patent tiger]

You can fix anything by making an Actual eat it

[obsidian dagger]

for a very interesting definition of "fix".

[patent tiger]

(This Power is most of the way to being an Actual herself, so it stands to reason that this would be her take)

[candid compass]

one has to wonder if Lupe is gonna be the only actual Noble left at the end of this 😛

[fleet harbor]

Robin is very much a power! :D

[magic mason]

my shard has been developed!!!

[obsidian dagger]

I wonder if Keepers should have A Keeper of Gardens rather than Gatekeeper. They'd certainly be happier if they had that... but I think that's a good argument against it. They aren't sovereign over the creatures of their vision; they have to wrangle them into doing what they want. And they can't just bring about their desired world through earnest hard work.

[frank light]

i think they dont have keeper of garden yeah

they dont seem like theyre gardening a place or have a vision for the world at all

[obsidian dagger]

They do have a vision for the world. It's their Blasphemy.

I've also toyed with giving them Called Away, but I don't think the future they want is tangible enough of a place for them to be Called Away to it. Prophets notionally do stuff with region properties sometimes, and that's probably as close as they're getting.

[restive ridge]

RE Blasphemies

[obsidian dagger]

Ooh.

I need a better name for House of the Sun Excrucians than "keepers". Any suggestions?

[frank light]

wardens?

[obsidian dagger]

Wardens works.

[vivid wraith]

I like Wardens

[obsidian dagger]

And in that case... I can totally believe their Blasphemy isn't good for them. They can't refute it, entirely, nor can they believe it entirely. The idea of it being something they don't like is kind of intrinsic to the concept of what it means to be Sickly Blue, even with Oblivious being a thing. So I think... I think they know it's bad for them, on some level. That this story in their chest is a myth, and a harmful one; that the world that they contain is not one which people could live in. But I think there's still something beautiful in there that they see.

[frank light]

i do like the idea that it's also like
something theyre mediating

[obsidian dagger]

Regardless of if they're opposed to or aligned with Creation, they look at the horrible thing nestled inside of them, and see a pearl of goodness. Something that, if they could just let out that part of it, it would be good. And they're trying to express that.

[frank light]

yesssssss

thats gooood

[obsidian dagger]

They know that it's poisonous to them, and to the world around them. They don't want to spread it carelessly, because most of it is bad... but even if they could crush it entirely, they wouldn't want to. There's something in there that they cannot deny the goodness of.

Like, imagine a Warden whose blasphemy was a zombie apocalypse. The dead walked the earth, and attacked the living. And if they run out of health levels, zombies would appear and start attacking everyone around them, and that would be Bad. But... you know, maybe, just maybe, it could give someone a last chance to cling to life just for a little while longer. Or, maybe if there were a limited number of non-contagious zombies, they could perform manual labor and automate away people's problems.

[narrow tartan]

Honestly I think that is very gardener

[obsidian dagger]

The reason why I'm not sure if they should have Keeper of Gardens is because I sort of liked the idea that they couldn't bring about their desired world just through earnest labor. They wish they could! But it really only exists inside of them, and they have a limited ability to tangibly create it outside of themself.

That said, I could see it still, especially with Toxic existing.

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[obsidian dagger]

I also think... Keeper of Gardens implies that there are Gardens out there. That you could go visit somewhere and find a zombie palance, or robot factory, or something. And I think that doesn't exist, and that's one of the biggest reasons that Wardens aren't necessarily appreciated; when their vision of the world leaks out, it's in the form of their Blasphemy, to some extent or another. Or it's a Gatekeeper creature tied to their Blasphemy, which they can try to wrangle, but certainly aren't unambiguously sovereign over. The beautiful thing they want just doesn't exist anywhere except in their minds as a possibility. They can approach it, but not find it. That's also why they don't have Called Away.

If they want to pull people into their vision, it's through Star Quality. And their Mythos is a story, not a world.

But if they want to persuade someone that, hey, maybe having zombies is actually a really good thing, or at least it could be... they're mostly doing this through a miraculous attack, or they're living in their own world where that's true rather than really making a world like that.

I think that, with Gatekeeper + Prophet especially, they're ideologues. They're not unaware of the horrible things that can be done with whatever their specialty is (that's their Blasphemy, after all), but they're probably flabbergasted every time somebody wants those horrible things. "My death ray was created only for peaceful purposes!" and all that.

[obsidian dagger]

I think a bunch of Wardens have weird weird Prophet skills. Like “the pyrokinesis of homes” or “the necromancy of leisure”. In contrast with their Blasphemy, which more or less translates to “if people had pyrokinesis, they’d burn the world down”.

[patent tiger]

Yeah

[fleet harbor]

https://tenor.com/bBex2.gif

Claire is that rarest of creatures: Ace, Indomitable, Awakening

[frank light]

Waow

[magic mason]

https://bsky.app/profile/vasthypno.bsky.social/post/3lmhhni7cik2p
Nobilis hell

Jack Drago - Vast Country Hypnosis (@vasthypno.bsky.social)

Even if you don't believe in them, the demons believe in you.

Bluesky · Apr 10, 2025, 12:05 PM

[obsidian dagger]

...I want to do arc assignments for a character but don't know who.

maybe a video game character?

[vestal mist]

The Penguins

[obsidian dagger]

...whomst

[vestal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-rico-yes-rico-kaboom-gif-24767016

[obsidian dagger]

After much brain stalling, I thought of the Runescape penguins, and the answer for them is definitely Gatecrasher.

Oh them. Uhhhhh. I watched the first Madagascar movie long ago and that's the sum of my knowledge. But they percieve the world in a highly stylized way, which makes me think Creature of Fable or maybe Star Quality.

[obsidian dagger]

I'm also thinking about this again, but specifically in the context of Naruto. It's easy to frame the Nine-Tailed Fox as an entity to be locked up, but that's not right. It is, according to this paradigm, the story of Naruto killing everyone around him. That's what cannot be accepted.

Even as he's been told that he's responsible, albeit indirectly, for killing lots of people cue the sad swing. That's why that narrative exists.

I think that's generally not a bad way of parsing Wounded Angel, come to think of it. It's the story of you being a monster. And you don't want that; you reject it. But the potential to do horrible things is still there.

I'm suddenly now wondering if the main character of Ave Xia Rem Y is a non-dramatic Wounded Angel. I'm not sure what his Blasphemy directly is, and it even seems to change at some points, but conceptually it'd be the idea that some people are just intrinsically... more important than others. Or the idea that the world is a cruel, meaningless place where it is natural for the strong to oppress the weak.

this may change my idea of what song I use for Wounded Angel, if or when I eventually decide on one.

[restive ridge]

Omniman is probaly the most famous pop media Strategist rn

[frank light]

Is he strategist????

He doesn’t particularly feel accursed

Power wise he feels closer to Game or Warmain

[vestal mist]

....Is Iron Man 2 Tony Stark a Strategist?

[frank light]

Maybe

[fleet harbor]

I think Warmain, and not just because of Indomitable

[restive ridge]

He follows the story of a Strategist leaving the Warhost because they have fallen in love with Creation better than half the Strategist PCs I have ever seen

[frank light]

…how many strategist pcs have you seen

[frank light]

Yeah

There’s something to it

[restive ridge]

Its an exaggeration

[patent tiger]

SO true

[fleet harbor]

Facts

[obsidian dagger]

Which all arcs have some ability to sense and respond to taboo? Creature of the Light can, but so can... Allegory? Or maybe Indomitable?

[vivid wraith]

Creature of the Light and Indomitable definitely can

[frank light]

indomitable and creature of the light very very explicitly

[fleet harbor]

Wounded Angel

Potentially

[vivid wraith]

as a use of Dramatic?

[fleet harbor]

Yeh

[vivid wraith]

oooh

[frank light]

yeah

"i am there when you trespass on x thing"

[obsidian dagger]

I was thinking Indomitable felt like it ought to. Because... I still want to use Thriller as the Indomitable song, but maybe I should use The Wolf (by Siames) instead?

[frank light]

mm

[obsidian dagger]

Thought: character who is convinced that they are either the descendant or reincarnation of King Arthur... except that King Arthur is, undeniably, still fictional. What does it mean to be a real person who's related to a fictional character in that sort of way? Like, they could be an Allegory or something, but that sort of implies King Arthur is real, doesn't it?

I mean. It kind of depends on if the character in question knows that King Arthur is fictional.

[vestal mist]

Arthur Pendragon was almost certainly real

But I get the point...

[obsidian dagger]

Or... I'm thinking of a certain fanfic set in a universe where "angels" very explicitly do not exist, and that's just a made-up propagandistic name for certain demons, and it's created by a weird religion which makes up this fake false cosmology. But there's one character who follows the religion more devoutly than the people who are actually in charge of it, and at one point, she gains a power which both she and the narrative describe as "turning into an angel".

[vestal mist]

Yeah

Feels very Jenna

[vivid wraith]

gatecrasher material

[obsidian dagger]

There's something fascinating about a character who learns that a religion was explicitly made up in order to manipulate and control them, and then goes "no, I still believe in these things, even though the people who first wrote them down didn't".

Very Frantic Blue (since Blue is Science, Faith, and Sorcery), yeah.

I'm trying to also figure out if Keepers make sense as thier own splat, because they're tied to this, what with double-blue arcs. Because... their Blasphemy is the truth, or "truth", that the world is not ready for whatever they're offering. It's the knowledge that if everybody had pyrokinesis, they would burn down the world; that if everything was reduced to a more primal and natural state, a lot of people would end up just dying rather than having their life improved.

If the dead rose and walked the earth, it would not be a cheap source of free labor to permit luxury automated necrocommunism, but would instead be apocalyptic.

And they reject that idea so hard that they seal it behind all of their health levels.

They're not Gatecrasher, though. They're Gatekeeper, Wounded Angel, Prophet, and Star Quality, currently.

[restive ridge]

I need to finish Strigoi somedya

[obsidian dagger]

I still need to finish Minotaur; you're in good company.

[narrow tartan]

I need to finish something

[frank light]

Perhaps King Arthur lives in the mythic as a spirit of his own story

Everything is Alive there, even stories

Or perhaps King Arthur was totally real just, the prosaic forgot about him

[vivid wraith]

the prosaic thought he was a man

[restive ridge]

very sad

[frank light]

It’s so sad

[patent tiger]

Misgendered be Sennacherib…

[fleet harbor]

Sennacherib’s a True God, right?

[frank light]

Yeah

Born right after zafael murdered the Dino’s

[fleet harbor]

Hate that guy

“Look I’m sorry about the dinosaurs” you ain’t off the hook

[patent tiger]

Kill them about it then

[fleet harbor]

The Prince

[vivid wraith]

lol

[narrow tartan]

I wish I had the WBH so I could remove books I dont like from libraries.

And bookstores

[frank light]

Yeah

[vivid wraith]

Each player can perform two XP Actions per chapter, with available XP action typically determined by campaign genre. These are usually specific emotional beats, or actions that become significant by having attention drawn to them, rather then their inherent outcome.

is this sufficiently accurate

[fleet harbor]

You might want to have something like "can (and is encouraged to, and usually will)"

People coming to Chuubo's from other games with roleplay XP may have an expectation of inherent stinginess that will need to be dispelled

[vivid wraith]

That's good to point out yeah

post complete now
https://papercult.club/post/2461/thread

[restive ridge]

Wooo

Good post

[vivid wraith]

thank

[vivid wraith]

Fallen

[frank light]

yeah

[magic mason]

What if the prophet titles are all based off various religious positions

Like how the domain titles are named after ranks of nobility

[fleet harbor]

I love titles for levels of ability

So underappreciated

[frank light]

They’re so good

I think about Casual a lot

The casual gamer for life

[restive ridge]

Oooh