Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)

[fleet harbor]

I really like the audience emotion XP idea

That’s actually perfect for a livestream

[vivid wraith]

i remembered that Tenra Bansho Zero has a vaguely similar stunting currency, and it allows bystanders to participate too EDIT: i can no longer find the text that allows bystanders to participate

[narrow tartan]

Far Roofs seems best, its more digestible.

[frank light]

Holy shit

That’s genuinely amazing

…I genuinely think CR could do gmd.
They could

We’re imagining a hypothetical universe where they would and in that world I think they would succeed

[vivid wraith]

one million fanarts of leo de montreal

[magic mason]

😌

[narrow tartan]

Full set of player characters

[fleet harbor]

Yeah

I would absolutely watch that

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Most chickens dont have souls based on my conception of a soul. However friend chickens do have souls

[obsidian dagger]

further expansion on the whole "between the boundaries for seduction" thing: it appears to be a campaign property that anyone can take advantage of, to varying degrees of success. (I... think. It's a bit unclear. But three separate people do it well, and a fourth does this. Spoilered for being minor Skin Horse spoilers.)

[narrow tartan]

I had dumb dreams about deceivers

And. They didnt even do anything with cool powers

[restive ridge]

Thats in character for them

[narrow tartan]

Mimic serpent of tickets and tourism. Lives just outside of creation in the Chancel/void thingy if Casa Plata which is one of the routes through the cup of fire

[vivid wraith]

oooooh

[narrow tartan]

Its a common place to hold diplomatic talks

[narrow tartan]

Giving pokemon excrucian names

[obsidian dagger]

I feel obliged to post this Skin Horse panel here, for froofs reasons.

he's a wandering I.T. professional.

[vivid wraith]

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAH

[magic mason]

Holy/Symbolic Chuubo or Far Roofs guy who's bit is being a Lighthouse keeper who's thee incarnate Of The Lighthouse

like

They just are the lighthouse

[obsidian dagger]

What's Symbolic again? Because being the incarnation of a lighthouse sounds like it could be Child of the Ash.

[vivid wraith]

Primordial

it's the one where you turn into an iconic representation of your thing

[obsidian dagger]

Ahh, alright. Depends on how much you want them to represent lighthouses as a whole, versus representing one specific lighthouse, I suppose.

[magic mason]

my thought was a pseudoestate type situation(nobilis term for when instead of having an element of (everything in creation) its a bit more niche

Like, The Lighthouse is important enough to the story and to you that you can get away with the primordial arc focusing entirely on That Lighthosue

[obsidian dagger]

That points me towards Creature of the Light.

Er, Child of the Ash, actually. Got giraffed I guess?

Green arcs tie you to a particular location. You could technically be Called Away to a lighthouse, or be Spiritual (Lighthouses), but... I dunno. Lighthouses feel really declaratively Real in an Immortal sort of way?

[frank light]

Well tbh you’re less tied and more…spiritually connected

Primordial makes you very actively the thing

While child of the ash gives a soul connection

[obsidian dagger]

I suppose. It depends on whether you think of a lighthouse as a thing or a place. Which is kind of an unanswerable philosophical question.

[magic mason]

The mix of Primordial and Creature Of Light Here was meant to basically makee your powerset about that experience of seeing a lighthouse

You Are A Guiding Light, A Thing On The Horizon

[frank light]

You do have the ability to emote through the lighthouse

[obsidian dagger]

Fair!

[frank light]

And you get a funny scry

[obsidian dagger]

The lighthouse as a light on the horizon, versus the lighthouse as a freestanding tower... both are reasonable perspectives!

[restive ridge]

Someone having Primordial and Called Away for the same thing is a very funny image in my head

Wait no True Gods already have this

[obsidian dagger]

yeah, True Gods have Primordial, Called Away, Awakening, and Child of the Ash. All Green and Black.

I could see someone's True Self being inside a lighthouse pretty easily.

[vivid wraith]

[places a seed of primal experience in your heart] and how does that make you feel

[magic mason]

Yeah

[obsidian dagger]

or, Second Self, rather. It's not necessarily more true than the other self.

[magic mason]

pseudoestates are really funny and I think about them a lot for Arcs that don't get them in base Nobilis

Like.... "Spiritual but the thing you are spiritual of is fictional/alien to the world" is both really good and was a thing in nobilis 3e

[obsidian dagger]

On a tangentially related note: I think Zu culivate Selves, to contrast an Actual's pSelf.

[magic mason]

interesting

[magic mason]

one thing I really like but I am not sure if it actually works is

Prophet but the Principle is a piece of media

like some of the stuff works there but other stuff needs big bends or just straight up doesn't work

[obsidian dagger]

I feel like it doens't quite work because that's... not what a Principle is. A Principle is a concept, not a singular concrete object like a media artifact.

[magic mason]

thats true! but thats also the fun of pstates

"what happens when we take what should be a generalist concept and cram something super specific in there"

[obsidian dagger]

I mean, at that point, just use one of the arcs that does work for a super concrete thing, like Spiritual. Or use Awakening, and say that even though this thing looks like a discrete object, it's actually a sprawling concept which only the enlightened can understand.

[restive ridge]

I am now thinking of a Game Lord wielding a yaoi paddle

[vivid wraith]

thank you morgana

[frank light]

Yup

True gods have basically all the “you’re actually a representation of x” except for called away

But their called away is usually inside their bodies

[magic mason]

well this thought process started in Glitch/Nobilis 4e

Where splats have locked arcs and people just slot words in

Lords Of Game do use shit like "Principle: Knives" a lot so I didn't think it was that huge of a leap

[restive ridge]

It's a really funny combo

[frank light]

So it counts anyway

It’s fucking great

I love it

[restive ridge]

Mfers raid their own inner selves for sacred swords

[frank light]

Yeah

They have adventures in there

Inside the temples of their own bodies

[vivid wraith]

just like

[restive ridge]

Its great

[obsidian dagger]

...my own internal understanding might be wrong as to why Knives would be a Principle rather than an Element.

[frank light]

Prophet doesn’t have an element

Just a principle

Unless I forgor/messed it up

[obsidian dagger]

Exactly. So why can "knives" fit into that shape of slot?

[frank light]

Because a gamelord can have the estate of knives

So

They’re allowed to probably have some principle of knives

You can probably construe knife principles

[obsidian dagger]

I guess. It's making me question my own understanding, is all.

[frank light]

Especially with prophet

[vivid wraith]

directness. destructiveness. etc.

[frank light]

Where getting weird understandings is key

You may let knives act through you, rather than the reverse

You may act like a knife

And say, cut in line

You may act like a knife with very unknife like skills

[frank light]

Awakening also has a “region properties you can infect places with” thing which combos well with called away

[magic mason]

You Hold The Ceremonies Of Knives
You Punish of Enemies Of Knives

[vivid wraith]

"True Gods Reality Marble" is genuinely the piece of the puzzle i needed

[obsidian dagger]

Awakening does region properties? I may have forgotten that.

In general I think I need a clearer understanding of the distinction between Green and Black arcs because I thought I had it but it turns out I don't.

[frank light]

Deepen the mystery

Black and green arcs have strong thematic connections with eachother!

[frank light]

Woah

[restive ridge]

It does

[frank light]

True gods specifically seem to focus entirely on the thematic connections

[restive ridge]

What is the puzzle

[frank light]

Since they’ve got immortal green black and sickly green black

It all flows together

[restive ridge]

(Is it Kiritsugu True God assigment)

[obsidian dagger]

I thought that Green arcs were about places, or more physical things, while Black arcs were about concepts. But that's really muddy, especially when Primordial gets an element, and Green arcs also get a mood, and Knives can be a Principle.

[vivid wraith]

"what do all the references to true gods' inner worlds even mean" lol

and sometimes it means you're full of swords

[frank light]

Green arcs tend to be about elements tbh

Elemental things and spiritual experiences

While black arcs are very deeply religious

They tend to focus on lofty far away things that you represent

Even primordial which makes that far away thing pretty present is also connected to a lofty principle

[restive ridge]

LMAO

[obsidian dagger]

but then why does Primordial get an element? Because it's Immortal, and thus tied to the world? But Prophets are also notionally tied to a place. And Awakening... kind of is, by virtue of the place that your Second Self is in.

[frank light]

Are prophets tied to a place?

[obsidian dagger]

No, but yes?

[frank light]

Primordial is tied to a part of the world probably because it’s an immortal arc but also because I guess Jenna wanted “arc that’s a primordial part of the world”

“Pre human god thing”

[frank light]

Elaborate

What part of them ties them to a place?

[vivid wraith]

part of Vestments

[frank light]

Ahhh

Gotcha

[obsidian dagger]

Also, I remember something about how you could convert region properties into properties of an Estate.

[frank light]

Oh?

I wasn’t aware estate properties were sticking around

Beyond star quality

[obsidian dagger]

Maybe I'm operating off of old information. I know there was something about it when figuring out Rinley in the Horizon campaign. But I'm not seeing anything about it now.

[frank light]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Sometimes Jenna changes her mind on things

A lot of miraculous arcs are weird sometimes and I think it’s because Jenna was like “well this would be cool” “oh this is a good concept to implement”

[restive ridge]

Green is about doing the HRT that transforms you into X
Black is about Catholic Guilt

[frank light]

They’ve all got some stuff connecting them but sometimes they’ve got something weird and unique because it’s just…the idea Jenna had at the time

[frank light]

Thanks morgana

[vivid wraith]

Called Away does have you coming up with region properties for your realm

[obsidian dagger]

For issues, Green is about becoming someone (Vice) or something (Sickness) wrong. Black is about... all the issues are about a mistake in the way in which you're drifting away from the concerns of mortals and opening yourself unto glory.

If you're drifting away from mortal concerns, but there isn't something grand and awesome to fill that space, things might be Hollow. If there is something, but maybe it isn't a good something, you've got Trust. And if you're drifting specifically away from other people, then you have Isolation.

I generally think of Issues as "the way in which you are engaging with <color thing> is wrong".

[frank light]

It does also engage with the type of arc you’re gonna be going on if you’re taking the color

Issues are mini quests in a sense

Blue issue is about being in over your head and trying out plans

While yellow issues are about things going over the top and escalating out of your control

Green issues are about corruption and unhealthy influence

And they mirror the arcs quite well

Black issues often feel…well, deeply religious.
Trust is what happens when you mess with powers beyond your control
Isolation is you withdrawing from the world
Hollow is the world simply not being meaningful anymore.

[obsidian dagger]

They do, but... I think with Arcs, the general assumption (at least in standard Chuubo's) is that these things are ultimately positive. If you're turning into a werewolf, that's a good thing. You're growing into yourself more. If it's a bad thing, that's Sickness, not a proper arc.

[frank light]

Oh wait silly me

The mystic icon is called the symbolic icon

[frank light]

They are

Just

Issues are kinda mini arcs

In that they’re a story arc

[obsidian dagger]

I hadn't understood them in that way but that makes sense.

[frank light]

It’s about symbolizing things

Lmaooo

Silly me.
Jenna literally wrote that!!!

Bitches be symbolizing things

[obsidian dagger]

Interestingly, taking the Issue to 5 usually makes it... not exactly good, but at least somewhat good after all? Like, Vice 5 has your Vice saving the day somehow.

[frank light]

It’s what happens if the problem can’t be solved normally.
For sickness 5 it means that like, well, it can’t get worse, it literally can’t, in fact you are now able to be in control of it in some way

It sucks but, you’ve got your own handle on it

Issues at 5 end more spectacularly than at 4 that’s for sure

They’re what happened if you somehow…didn’t solve it at 4

[vivid wraith]

this is close to how froofs describes them too

[obsidian dagger]

I once had an idea for a more specialized Arc... I think Black, but maybe it should be Red... for when you start getting too blasé about things because you're in a time loop.

This can arguably also apply to when you're in a simulation or a dream or something; the core point of it was that, because whatever you did would just get reset anyway, you stopped caring as much about things. You took one loop to just steal stuff because who cares, the day will be reset anyway. Or you solve problems before they even start, because you have foreknowledge. Or... just, in general, you stop acting like the world around you "counts".

[restive ridge]

I dont think Issues become positive often at 5, they mostly just reach their crescendo

[frank light]

It literally can’t get worse than they are!

So yeah

It depends at least

Sometimes at 5 it’s pretty good

Hell some issues are good

They’re just representations of you dealing with something sometimes

Like Something To Deal With
Or Mystery
Or Calling even

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah.

[magic mason]

I forget

Is hero inherently bad or more in the vein of mystery

[obsidian dagger]

I mean, it means bad things will happen to the character? It inherently involves a scary adversary.

[frank light]

It’s stressful

But it’s not unhealthy

But like, engaging with it isn’t necessarily wrong

It’s just the stressful issue of heroism

[magic mason]

Alright cool

So its about being in a situation that requires heroism, rather than dealing with Being A Hero in the sense of phrases like “don’t be a hero” or whatever

[restive ridge]

The impression I got from several(and I mighr have to check)is that Issue 5 represents that the opportunity for a dramatic finale is sorta gone...

The problem subsides slowly into the status quo and your life sucks a little bit more

[fleet harbor]

To be a little more prosaic, issues strike me as providing a mechanical backing and incentive structure for progressing a personal narrative

They have colors because that can help to contextualize what kind of stories they fit most naturally into

Chuubo's does a lot of this

[narrow tartan]

Trying to imagine ways to summon the lighthouse where it doesnt belong

[frank light]

Yeah

Jenna loves adding colors as flair to to contextualize something

[frank light]

It’s about putting on a brave face and then that brave face fading as you accept that what you’re facing really is scary

And maybe you get screwed by the end or maybe you don’t but.

Yeah

[fleet harbor]

Circles ...
... are imperfect
... strive for perfection
... have the greatest possible area for a given perimeter
... have sacred significance
... can repel
... can contain

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Doesnt that mean Jasper drew a better circle than Natalia?

Because Jasper's was more imperfect

[fleet harbor]

Fixed

[narrow tartan]

So it would be possible to draw a better circle?

[fleet harbor]

Perhaps, but since Natalia had an intention of 9 there she drew the right circle

[frank light]

yeah

[narrow tartan]

A Warmain and a Darklord having an epic fight... Using creature of fable... Offscreen

[frank light]

lmao

[narrow tartan]

Excrucian host being really unclear about whether or not a Brightlord is a mimic. Because the Ruler had been in a torrid affair with a Deceiver and the two had a messy breakup and no one has seen the Deceiver

I'm remembering. A thing

Oh a quote or something from vetinari from discworld

...Every world spins in pain. If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior.```

Ij regards to an otter eating a fish

[magic mason]

Fallen Angel who's divine warrant and sealed experience are the same
and its the same divine warrant from when they were an an angel

[restive ridge]

Oooh

[obsidian dagger]

So help me, I think Tigerlily Jones (she of the Creature of Fable shenanigans) might also be a Prophet of, like... Blaxploitation-genre media.

Which is bizarre to say; I'm not even sure if she's existing in her own genre or if everyone is just that weird.

(Albeit in different ways than her, somewhat.)

Actually. Do Narbonic-verse mad scientists like having the whole Gamer set? I feel like they wouldn't mind it; it lets them have ridiculous inventions "off-camera" and their own distinctive aesthetic and motif for their inventions.

[frank light]

I’ve been tinkering away at a uh.

A chuubos writing module project.

I juuuuust want to take a snippet of a lifepath and post it here

Your connection to Melanie Melakh...

She’s awful. She is an awful awful person and she makes you sick with her every word. And yet…She fascinates you. She’s awful but she isn’t awful to you. You’re pretty sure she spent a lot of time talking to your inanimate body before she woke you up, so you’re still a sounding board for ideas in her mind. She talks a lot, and it annoys you sometimes, but…she’s interesting.

You like her. Genuinely. It’s paradoxical considering the nature of your creation. You should find her awful, despise her, feel disgusted at what she created in you. But you don’t. She’s funny, she’s vicious, scary, interesting, and powerful. You admire her determination.

You hate her. You hate her, but you understand her well. You understand how she thinks, how she acts, what her motivations are. You don’t like understanding her, her mind makes you feel sick, but you have a good grasp on what Melanie Melakh is. You know how to work around her, get what you want.

(Optional) you may append the following to the previous answer
…You may have a crush on her.

Awful yuri

[vivid wraith]

amazing

[frank light]

Mimic main character

[restive ridge]

Horrible

(But like in a good deliberate way)

[frank light]

Thank you

I’m glad you enjoy

Fraught mimic relations are…very funny

[fleet harbor]

Was thinking about how Chuubo has connection 2 to Seizhi, who has connection 4 to Chuubo as a matter of cosmic law

And now pondering Chuubo getting a crush on Seizhi and/or vice versa, and having problems because "Seizhi is Chuubo's best friend" is a matter of cosmic law

[frank light]

Bahhahahah

Yeah

That relationship has so many fraught pits it’s great

[candid compass]

Chuubo friendzoned by his wish

[frank light]

Btw @fleet harbor this is for a chuubo eudonia lifepath

I thought you would be…amused by this

[fleet harbor]

logical that eudonia is still around after robin brought down the weirding wall and let the waters of ninuan come flooding in, really

[frank light]

HAH

[frank light]

The plot is that after the death of the sun, Attaris mysteriously returns to declare war on the remainder of existence behind a giant Outside Monsoon storm in the walking fields
And there are magical girl angels

One of the main characters is Eudonia’s other sister, Ruby.
The other 2 are npcs

Ruby is uh, the angel of tomatoes

[fleet harbor]

Appropriate

[frank light]

Attaris as the magical girl dark lord villain.
Melanie is one of her lieutenants

[narrow tartan]

Going aroung being multiple magical girl dark lord villains in different regions

[magic mason]

Person who has a domain/spiritual pseudoestate of “my nightmares”

[narrow tartan]

Do you ever have an interesting idea that you proceed to not share because what if you want to try and run a game someday?

[vivid wraith]

i had a couple proto-Heart Eater ideas i didn't want to talk to my group about for that reason

[frank light]

Mainly sticking to the walking fields
Since I wanna make this a walking fields game

[narrow tartan]

nodnod sadly the Glassmakers Dragon does not have an amusing take on Entropy in the Walking Fields. Other than being a spirit king.

[frank light]

I’ve got the muddy king as a planned character in the walking fields

So I’m taking the seed Jenna handed and running with it

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[frank light]

He’s got awakening 1
For being the concept of evil itself

evil that exists in a just world

An explanation for evil

And of course, creature of the light

[fleet harbor]

Thinking about the specifics of my entropy headcanon

[frank light]

Nice

[fleet harbor]

And thinking about

Because like this is him

This is John Entropy

[frank light]

Oh?

[frank light]

Wow

[fleet harbor]

Here’s my chronology:

• Entropy, an angel, volunteers to cast down the fallen personally, having invented something called “evil” for which they can be held to account
• The angels agree, but are repulsed by Entropy in the aftermath, and gently suggest he get lost
• Entropy wanders and finds himself upon the World Ash, among the Serpents. For reasons known only to him, he claims to be a Wildlord (shame? Fear? Pathological lying?) rather than disclosing his true nature
• Eventually he leaves the Serpents in a mix of envy and disgust. He comes upon Eden, and there plays the part of the Serpent, creating the Game and the Rules in the process

I have managed to tie him to every type of imperator other than True Gods

[narrow tartan]

Thats a level above my, "different take on entropy for each type of imperator"

Nyabe I should do homebrew imperatora as well. Like the cats

[fleet harbor]

I bet I can fit in True God as well

[magic mason]

Entropy purposefully spread the rumor of/is rumored to be a true god nowadays according to 2e

[fleet harbor]

Could be that, yeah

[magic mason]

Gamer entropy got some support in night birds feather

And I think regardless of what he is he’s gotta have wanderer

Is my modern take

True God, Gamer or Serpent

The evil world is just so important to him as a character and catalytic is so blatantly “the lord entropy thing”

[fleet harbor]

I was thinking that maybe, after spending time among the serpents, he spent time among the nascent true gods in the guise of a serpent, possibly doing the one good thing he’s ever done in his life by inciting them to push back against Heaven

I agree Wanderer I just don’t think he necessarily has a standard arcset

That said, in this chronology I think he would have Gamer arcs if any standard set

Since he did the temptation and was the first of their number

[magic mason]

Relatedly

I had the funny thought of using Far Roofs to run a Cammora game

Instead of dealing with Mysterys your tracking with nobles and the occasional Excrucian

[fleet harbor]

Maybe he also hung out with some wildlords before meeting the snakes, and so this is something he did repeatedly

“Hang out with x, then pretend to be x while chilling with y”

[obsidian dagger]

Idea: a Strategist dying of being understood. (Or, possibly, of Disclosure, but that's the same difference.) Like most strategist banes, it interferes with a simple, honest life, because to reap the rewards of being loved we must undergo the mortifying ordeal of being known.

[obsidian dagger]

...what kind of character would be able to see other people's hallucinations (and/or daydreams, possibly)? If the hallucinations being seen are because of some sort of evil entity possessing people and making them hallucinate, or something like that, I could totally imagine them as something Blue whose goal it is to find all the things and lock them up. I could also see them as a Creature of Delirium, which wouldn't inherently grant those abilities but would jive well with them notionally.

...Wounded Angel could. Wounded Angel can do a lot of things, technically, but I could totally imagine an Empowered Wound of blindness which grants the ability to see everything that anyone near you sees.

[vivid wraith]

Become Somebody has a power for "understand how other fit into your mythos" and that translates pretty well to "see others' hallucinations" imo

[obsidian dagger]

Iiiiinteresting.

[vivid wraith]

Spiritual could do it too

[obsidian dagger]

That reminds me of... so, this is probably not relatable to people without ADHD, but do you ever come up with an idea and and then spend a bunch of time "depth-first" building figuring out some weird niche example of it or some weird gimmicky feature rather than the most important basics? (I swear this connects back.)

Once upon a time, I had an idea to make a discord bot called Chuubot. It would be able to automatically track chuubo's character sheets, and track how much XP was in their quests, and auto-increment XP when emotion reactions were used, and even PM people stuff for cards. (Like. you could use a command that matches a certain Orange card, and it would post the front face of that card in the public chat and also send you a private message with the back face of the card.) I never got any further than planning, keep in mind.

However. I then wondered... what if you could give it a command and point it at a user and get their character sheet? And, furthermore, what if you pointed that command at Chuubot itself? And that's how I ended up making it, as, of course, an Actual.

[vivid wraith]

Amazing

[obsidian dagger]

I managed to semi-accidentally do a really funny thing with them, too, given that they were originally conceived of to track XP actions.

Note that this was partially based off of a Seizhi-derived understanding of Become Somebody, where you make people more or less like you in some way, rather than more or less... well, fitting to your narrative, in a way that might make them sidekicks or whatever.

But I gave it Become Somebody (Main Character) and a Truth of "I am important". So it can use its power on itself, or on someone else, or on some event that's occuring, to make that event more important. Everyone sort of naturally locks their eyes onto it, it sticks in the memory... it Matters. Or, alternatively, by reversing this, they can make a person or event fade into the background, being less important and thus less noticable.

Which forms a really fun parallel with how XP actions are shining beacons of importance which draw the attention of everyone in the scene, and then the person who took the XP action fades into the background and is less noticable for the rest of the scene.

I never quite pithily worded its Failing, but I tried to reverse-derive it from what Wages of Sin can detect, and I think it would be able to detect when a person is doing something exclusively because they feel like they're supposed to. That thug picking a fight with you isn't actually mad at you; they just feel like "thugs are supposed to pick fights" and so they feel as though they ought to be mad at you.

I also considered giving it Gatecrasher 0 with a Secret World of Game Constructs and a Special Skill of "exist". Another inhabitant of this Secret World would be the Little Island narrator.

[narrow tartan]

Serpent who opposed human sacrifice because all those humans arent very healthy to eat. Microplastics and stuff

[obsidian dagger]

...I am once again wondering what arcs Miquella has.

And, also, whether or not he has the same arcs before and after ||becoming a god||. The entirety of the Shadow of the Erdtree DLC from his perspective certainly feels like a Black arc (what with the whole "ritualistically walking a pilgrimage and shedding your mortal flesh" thing; the physicality of it could be Green but it feels more Black), but I'm not even sure which arc he'd end up with. The obvious and most likely answer is admittedly Prophet ||although he does have extra arms in the final boss fight so Primordial isn't off the table||. And then there's his charm.

I think he completely changed his arcs when that spoilery event happened. Just an entirely different build. And the latter build may well be on Mimic arcs. The former... hm. This is going to sound very weird, but I half-wonder if his Charm is actually an extremely specific and slightly atypical Indomitable Tribulation which destroys a person's oppositions to him. I do think that destruction is, fundamentally, how his Charm works; it seems less like implanting an idea into a person, and more removing everything from a person that might cause them to oppose that idea. He certainly has a very Indomitable style of curse, with "eternal youth".

[vivid wraith]

Lord Entropy has announced he is making crime illegal

[frank light]

Thank god

Hey what defines crime

[patent tiger]

Adding the Purge movies to the list of ideological enemies of Lord Entropy

[vivid wraith]

Lord Entropy

[frank light]

Cool

Just checking

[patent tiger]

Me all the time

[vestal mist]

Moooood

[frank light]

Grace 2. You know a thing or two about Grace. You move quietly, quickly, are good at traditional things, and look good in formalwear.

Vegan Cuisine 1. Your mother used to teach you how to cook.

Hero 1. Deep down you’ve got this idealistic streak, you believe in doing the right thing.

Moral Philosophy 0. The right thing actually is kinda complicated, as it turns out.

Athletics -1. Y’know, despite being a tireless immortal being, you get tired SO EASILY and get SO SWEATY and can barely carry your bag of gardening supplies.

You’ve also got two mundane skills with some special rules(Detailed below)

Superior Gardening 2. You spent a long time tending to heaven’s gardens.

Ruach Family Magic 3. Your mother’s magic flows in your veins, and your wings drip with potential. 

You were born in the highest most beautiful land of all, Heaven. Your skies were filled with alien stars beyond the world, the horizon flickered with a beautiful blue fire, and all the land was a lush garden. It was a living thing, Heaven. A beautiful growing thing that demands service. 
One day, when you were little, you asked your mother how to tend to the flowers. She chuckled, patted your head, and patiently showed you how she does it. She told you, of course, that one day you will find your own vision of Beauty for the world, but she wanted to make sure you knew the basics. 
To be a Gardener is to have a vision for the world. Yours is the same as all Angels, a vision of Beauty for it, of the Good and the Just and the Virtuous. You have this little voice in your heart that wants to make the world a better place. 
And when your mother died, it was the last connection you had to her. 

This power, the memories of Heaven and your Mother, is written in a Miraculous Arc, specifically, Keeper of Gardens, and it taught you the following.

@fleet harbor hey hey hey

Angel magical girl :3

Toxic
Level 2 Bond
-
Description: 
Ever since you were born you’ve had these long claws, around two inches long, curved straight and then curving downwards near their tips. Those tips have a black substance that constantly leaks out. I mean, not really ‘leak’ per se, but they constantly pool around the tips, held back by surface tension. 
    On the bright side, this means those claws also double as writing tools. And also gardening tools, they’re really really good for digging into the ground.

The liquid itself is a purifying substance. The part of your soul that hears the voice of God synthesizes it. If it gets into plants, it tends to make them healthier, grow faster, cure them of diseases, and work better in the local ecosystem. 
If it gets into people…it tries to purify them. It is a karmically enhanced justice venom. It digs into people and scours them of that which is impure. It is an unfair sort of justice, it does not care for the lower world’s morality. It will destroy every part of a person unworthy of Heaven’s light.
In small doses this isn’t too bad. It’s not great but people will survive and, hey, maybe they’ll even be a bit better for it! In large enough doses, they might lose a part of who they are. Maybe they’ll be better off for it, maybe they’ll be purified and be able to live as good and beautiful things. Or maybe there won’t be anything left. 
You need a pretty big dose to really cause an effect, but it’s very easy for you to accidentally get it into people. You wear gardening gloves so as to not nick people by accident. 

And a funny Toxic Bond

[vivid wraith]

Hero 1 Moral Philosophy 0 inspired

[frank light]

Thank you

I’m real proud of that

[restive ridge]

Vegan Cooking 1 goes hard

[frank light]

Yeah I’m making all the angel girls vegan.

[fleet harbor]

This is good

[frank light]

Ruby ruach is a very fun character

Her toxin is part of just, some of the less good parts of angels

She can very easily hurt people

[restive ridge]

I think she should be allowed to hurt people

[frank light]

She will have an iconic beam attack

[patent tiger]

It's no fun hurting people if you're allowed

[fleet harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115782663408726026/1344367941151490089/image0.jpg?ex=67c0a7b6&is=67bf5636&hm=6217d461786b5862ad1072f5450416df7f261371db20635b9419a8e55eeb920c&

This is intended as a political comment but feels very relevant to Nobilis

[frank light]

Mm

Ruby ruach has a lot of strong emotional ties to her dead mom

Real shame that her mimic sister was the one to kill her

[narrow tartan]

Mysterious Fallen enby tempting her with bacon

[vivid wraith]

i was so funny for this

[magic mason]

gotta post this on ninuan

[narrow tartan]

ninuan

[restive ridge]

You wereee

[obsidian dagger]

behold: the StRategist.

[vivid wraith]

so true

[narrow tartan]

Has a hat. Can confirm.

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Armored Cheetah Lord Entropy=Macavity?

[vivid wraith]

m
maybe??

[obsidian dagger]

I just remembered my idea for a Fortitude shrine family (although, unfortunately, not the name of that shrine family): they take the dust of the Outside and process it into paints, pigments, and dyes which retain some of the dust's iridescent luster but none of its other negative properties.

Everyone from the family tends to write using iridescently made ink... because they keep making lots of fancy ink for writing with, despite the fact that nobody really buys that in Fortitude, so they just end up using it all themselves.

[vivid wraith]

oooooooh

[obsidian dagger]

Their biggest failing is... okay. I don't think Fortitude is a super capitalistic place, so focusing on them as a "failing business" is a little too harsh, as is the idea of saying "artists should make what is popular rather than what they feel like". That said... they do want to be a business and sell stuff, and they make wonderful products... they just aren't always great at stuff like "making more of the products that everyone always buys lots of and less of the products that rarely get purchased" or "effectively advertising when they're going to finish a big batch of something, so people know to come and buy it".

They're generally nice and well-meaning and frequently have big democratic meetings to determine how they're going to do things in the future, but in practice, those meetings usually involve just deciding what color to re-paint the shrine (it frequently alternates between goldenrod and indigo).

Their unique magic can be used to treat paintings or drawings of things like the real thng (like warming your hands on a drawing of a fire). It can also be used as a divinatory technique, by letting you make an accurate drawing of, say, "whoever stole my bike" even if you don't know who that is or what they look like.

[restive ridge]

Squirrel Stapler is a Nobilis game

[vivid wraith]

Wha

[restive ridge]

https://youtu.be/IIWCwu0RBek?si=rBsU7xjVUjjdwi-5

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Guns with. Cognitive dissonance and trauma related to being weapons.

[fleet harbor]

Abhorrent Weapons

[narrow tartan]

Nah. More. Guns absorbing NRA propoganda until they actually end up hurting people

[fleet harbor]

Ah

[vivid wraith]

Gun that says "guns don't kill people, but I wish we could"

[narrow tartan]

And then going through a moral crisis because they thought that they existed to protect people

[narrow tartan]

Omniman is warmain coded. To an extent

[fleet harbor]

Hm

Yeah, okay, I'll buy it

[narrow tartan]

Was thinking about Jocenas and Estelle

[frank light]

jasper irinka >:333

[restive ridge]

Ooooh

Very cute art

[frank light]

the headmaster's most powerful 15 year old

[strange raptor]

ooh

nice!!

[frank light]

thank you!!!

jasper irinka is adorable

[strange raptor]

I'm always thinking about Jocenas tbh

just in general

extremely fucked up thing of her to have done in retrospect

but also, ooc, I respect her really being mean about it

she was kinda real for talking to estelle like this

excited to get back to interacting more with estelle's weird awful kinda normal family dynamic soon ehehehehe

[frank light]

yeah lmao this was awesome

i was so proud of it

[strange raptor]

it's so good

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[narrow tartan]

I like ogres. Just. Their description from 3e is very interesting to me

Just. That they are for the most part adolescent in a sense

[obsidian dagger]

Thinking about Become Somebody for characters who have just... an unbreakable moral code. Not in terms of general morality, but a very specific code which they absolutely will not break. Like a doctor who absolutely will not break the Hipocratic Oath, or a teacher who never gives up on a student.

I wonder how you'd word that for a doctor who will treat anyone they can, even if the person they're treating is morally reprehensible, or even if they were directly antagonistic to the doctor previously, or if you know that after treating them they'll go on to do terrible things in the future and get more people hurt. ...arguably, with Creature of the Light's Divine Warrent.

[frank light]

oh thats fun

[obsidian dagger]

Actually, Become Somebody (Postal Carrier) could do some really fun stuff. I can totally imagine how that character would maintain their role while also fitting themself into all sorts of other contexts, and how they could do all sorts of fun stuff entirely just by acting in service of that role.

Partially from thinking of this classic post: https://fictitious-whimsigot.tumblr.com/post/168538995894/bond-once-a-little-girl-handed-me-a-letter-to

Actually, if you wanted a postal Actual it'd probably make more sense to model the entire postal service as one, using Impressario for individual carriers.

The fun thing about "Truth: Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays this courier from the swift completion of their appointed rounds" is that in practice it'd probably work out pretty similar to the Auctoritas Magister, actually.

[frank light]

yeah

afflictions that protect your mundane actions are functionally pretty close to the auctoritas magister

theyre, granted, more of a subset of actions rather than all mundane actions but-functionally similar

an auctoritas defending you

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah. It's weaker because it's only a subset of actions and probably wouldn't defend you against direct miraculous attacks (which the Auctoritas Magister can, albeit at a greater cost) but it'd similarly stymie any attempt to miraculously slow down your efforts.

[frank light]

yeah

[obsidian dagger]

I had forgotten that Become Somebody 4 lets you purchase truths for a group.

[frank light]

i believe become somebody also lets you buy truths with research tokens yeah?

[obsidian dagger]

It does, yes (and they're refresh tokens).

[frank light]

oh

typo

[obsidian dagger]

er recharge. We were both wrong.

[frank light]

sorry its late

yeah

haha

[obsidian dagger]

Actually it would be kind of funny to have a postal carrier with Become Somebody and a Failing of laziness, which directly contradicts their Truth but only kind of. They probably complain a lot when delivering messages gets to be too hard or whatever, but they'll never actually let it slow them down at all. But only when they're delivering a message; they're lazy the rest of the time.

[frank light]

tbf the failing only means laziness is a recurring problem in their life

so it still works

either other people's laziness

or their own

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah, but the part about other people's laziness causing you problems sometimes is more of an Allegory thing I think? But, really, a Failing is anything that causes someone on an Orange arc to face repeated struggles in some way.

On a tangentially related note... I somehow get the impression Billy Sovereign looms over people. I'm not sure where I get that impression from, but I do.

[frank light]

i assumed this was billie art but only because it was in seizhi's section

[obsidian dagger]

I forgot that art existed.

I always envisioned Billy as looking like... actually, now that I think of it, I realize I was envisioning the bully from Calvin & Hobbes.

I mean, Calvin is much younger than default Chuubo, but Moe (the bully, whose name I only remember because I looked it up) has sort of the right energy.

https://kotaku.com/a-string-of-upsetting-calvin-hobbes-strips-told-a-bol-1777424191 (i'm going partially off of this article about them, which gets very hyperbolic in ways that normally would not accurately describe a character, but then again it's an active point of contention whether or not Billy Sovereign is a character.)

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Humans with the ability to grant souls

[frank light]

Everything’s got a soul

[candid compass]

it came free with your existence

[frank light]

Though I believe humans were wild namers of things

So they have something else weird going on

[restive ridge]

Another one cant hurt

[frank light]

“I don’t, have, a soul”

“YES YOU FUCKING DO! IT CAME FREE WITH YOUR FUCKING EXISTENCE”

[restive ridge]

Just finished putting the 91th soul in my coffee cup

[candid compass]

"I have the oldest existence known to Cneph, and I don't have a soul"

[frank light]

“I’m firstborn! I got my existence on day one!! You have a fucking soul!!!!!”

[restive ridge]

I plan on putting a total of 999th souls in it and commit crimes with it in my posesion, making them all accomplices and dividing the value of all sins by 1/1000 amongst us

[frank light]

Lmaooo

[narrow tartan]

Thats fair

[vivid wraith]

Deepness

[restive ridge]

Fact-checked

[magic mason]

Thinking about the guy who is dying of smoking and the way it manifests is the tobacco lobby sending assassins because he learned about the creature the tobacco comes from

He’s like, Eide 6 or 7(Governor Of Minnesota)

[restive ridge]

That one is good

[narrow tartan]

Thats amazing

[vivid wraith]

peak

[restive ridge]

My fav example Strategist is the high Flore one Dying of Cu Chulain style berserker rage that would have been normally gone because it got Flower Rited

[narrow tartan]

I think that when curses shape the world to enact themselves it is peak

[narrow tartan]

Games make it difficult to roleplay Excrucians. Sad

[candid compass]

how so?

[narrow tartan]

Cannot cast world into darkness or anything fun like that

[obsidian dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXzPxBhhmY8 is this Creature of Delirium? I can't tell if this is anything directly, or Creature of the Light, or what.

I'm trying to rate the song, rather than the music video, to be clear.

[magic mason]

oooo leme think about this

[narrow tartan]

Strategist accidentally causing the plot of a steeotypical mascot horror

[vivid wraith]

Lore (freddy fazbear)

[narrow tartan]

Mayhaps. It. ActuLly mascot horror might be more of a Warmain thing

[magic mason]

Alright I agree with the Creature Of Delirium Aesthetic

[narrow tartan]

Ogres with jojo hair

[magic mason]

Noble Of Talent

Gamelord of Talent, Sharpness and Cop Show Yaoi

[narrow tartan]

Gamelord of No Homo

[magic mason]

Cop Show Yaoi covers both like

Detective x Killer shit, but also like Detective/Rival Detective stuff

[narrow tartan]

Hmm I see that.

[vivid wraith]

who should adapt The Far Roofs as a movie or tv show
wrong answers only

[reef perch]

cronenberg

[vivid wraith]

The Malambruno Movie

[reef perch]

fair

[orchid night]

Paul W.S. Anderson

[ruby ivy]

I was going to say cartoon network but I think they'd do OK actually

[vivid wraith]

ohoho?

[reef perch]

if i may hazard a right answer as well: guillermo del toro would make a killer froofs movie

[orchid night]

thats a right answer

[restive ridge]

Rebecca Sugar

[frank light]

shit they would kill it yeah

[reef perch]

i'm trying to think of a relevantly-configured "i think we're gonna have to kill this guy steven" "damn" snowclone but nothing comes to mind

[frank light]

steven universe would make for a great character to face malambruno

and also typhon can be there and be an awful woman

[reef perch]

he's arguably gotten malambruno'd already

[frank light]

yeah

well we can do it again

hedge the fang would make for a WILD villain since i imagine he just
isnt interested in all this gem nonsense

...hes just here to kill some rats

and then he throws some weird existential horror about reality not even being real and the self being an illusion

and also his minions are just random cats and owls which isnt that threatening but i dont think steven would kill a cat

like just a normal stray cat

[reef perch]

yeah probably not

[narrow tartan]

Harpy would be an interesting antagonist

[fleet harbor]

Zack Snyder

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Mimic Chuubo happened because Chuubo wished for a chance to study abroad

He thought learning another language sounded fun

[vivid wraith]

hehe

[frank light]

lol

[still blaze]

I haven't been keeping up with Nobilis in a while. Any news about 4e?

[patent tiger]

Not as of yet, but notionally it's the next thing on the docket now that the Far Roofs kickstarter has been done

[still blaze]

Looking forward to it

[narrow tartan]

Hmm negaverse chuubos characters...

Chuubo is mimic
Leo is fallen
Entropy Two is a Gamer.
Jasper is a Wildlord who saw her mother kill her father.
Natalia is from the Bronx

[restive ridge]

Thinking about Gatecrasher again

[vivid wraith]

yessssss

[narrow tartan]

Would any arc fit well with a character being able to perceive narration?

[candid compass]

That feels like Deepness to me

or possibly a Red arc

[frank light]

Creature of fable is great for that

One of the example superior skills is “you strongly believe you’re a character in a detective novel”

So “superior narrative awareness” or “superior narration perception” is like, valid

[obsidian dagger]

Deepness/Awakening could work, as could something Red, which is very surface.

[obsidian dagger]

Also, this is literally what Reality Syndrome is about. You're strong because your power just operates on a fundamentally different axis.

[vivid wraith]

ma i'm in the kickstarter update

[sturdy ledge]

TFR Kickstarter email is tentatively saying May or so for the Nobilis 4 campaign

Plus or minus A Lot going on lately

[still blaze]

I'm hyped

[sturdy ledge]

I got my hard copy of TFR this week, I should settle in and give that a full read

[vivid wraith]

rat hours 😌

[fleet harbor]

That would be way faster than I expected

Cool if so

[narrow tartan]

Oh. No. That might not work. Was thinking of negaverse chuubos. And. The thought of the Headmaster of the Bleak Academy being dead instead of Jade. Briefly I entertained making yhe Headmaster creational and Jade of the Not. But dont know if that works. Uh.

[vivid wraith]

What does happen if the Headmaster dies

...wait i forget is the Chuubopocalypse that swallowed the Earth in the Outside simultaneous with the Sun's death, or were those separate events

[narrow tartan]

I think they were connected? Also. You could just make the same thing happen somehow with the Headmaster's death. Like. Honestly it makes more sense to me that killing the first of the riders would somehow screw up Creation than killing the Sun

Disrupt the flow of Death in creation

[vivid wraith]

It might not be a direct cause/effect thing
synchronicity, circumstantial simultaneity

[vivid wraith]

I like this tho

[narrow tartan]

Not certain what splat to make negaverse Jasper though

[vivid wraith]

true gods are kinda nonbinary but Wildlord wouldn't be a bad fit imo

[narrow tartan]

There is a reason I always say that i most resemble an actual

[obsidian dagger]

So I was thinking about Mrs. Senko, and how she doesn't believe in vampires, and how that's kind of funny. And then how it is in fact substantially less funny for any vampires taking her class. But... that isn't a bug. It's a feature.

Like. Yes, it is soul-crushing to have a teacher state that she doesn't believe that you exist, not as you really are. But that's the specific kind of horror Mrs. Senko is. She denies you your individuality, and your personhood, and your hopes and dreams, to grind you into an interchangable adult cog, or prove that your naive dreams are strong enough to resist her.

[vivid wraith]

I forget, did you read NBF?

[obsidian dagger]

I did not. I really need to.

[vivid wraith]

She's a major character there

[obsidian dagger]

I mostly know her from the horizon campaign stuff.

(Which tries to redeem her enough to make her a valid PC option.)

[narrow tartan]

I wonder if she teaches AP courses that give credit at the bleak academy

[obsidian dagger]

Possibly. I know she refers students over to there sometimes.

[narrow tartan]

nonnod its interesting how Chuubos presents Excrucians in a different light

[obsidian dagger]

Well, a lot of them looked at the state of things and declared victory and have no interest in taking things further, which greatly changes things.

[vivid wraith]

i'm really interested to see how Nob4 introduces them

cuz like
it's going to be the first game where you're by default playing as enemies of the Excrucians since Nob3

returning them to their original narrative role

but I feel like they might not be treated exactly the same

[narrow tartan]

Well. And also, like. The academy and how it breaks you down is a very specific image compared to a lot of excrucians

[vivid wraith]

oh yeah

it's very... well-adapted for Chuubo's

[narrow tartan]

Oh. I thought a great moment in a Nobilis fic (percy jackson crossover).

Percy and Annabeth were both Excrucians. And Percy returns from the void to meet Annabeth again.

And she asks him how the academy was.

And Percy goes, "oh of course you saw jt as an academy" and his perception of it shifts to match hers

(last he saw of the academy it was on fire)

[vivid wraith]

ooooooooooh

[narrow tartan]

Backstory of that fic.
Percy went to the academy. Became a big name Excrucian in a temporally screwy way. Used Epic miracles to help a bunch other Strategists become. Befriended Jade. And then had a falling out with the Headmaster in the process of saving Jade.

[frank light]

they were simultaneous yes

they were...probably connected, because in that moment the nature of the world did change

but also its possible that merely a lot of stuff happened around the same time

because that is also fundamentally true

that a lot of keystone turning point events happened in like, one moment

it was a moment of metaphysical significance rather than physical
a time when shit happens

[vivid wraith]

ye

2e talked about the War in Heaven, the Fall, and the True God titanomachy all happening at around the same time (because what happens in Heaven reverberates throughout Creation) even without a clear causal chain

could be a similar deal

[frank light]

yea that tracks to me

i could see the murder of the sun being the event that sets off a lot of stuff even without a clear causal chain

though...if it was, I suspect that may have been a fact that death knew about
or at least, i suspect "killing the sun is correlated to the outside swallowing up the world" probably wasnt unknown to Him

[obsidian dagger]

The death of the sun changed the nature of the outside from "nothing" to "chaos" I believe. Or possibly its rebirth did.

[frank light]

it did change the nature of Death yeah.

though the Outside was always kinda like that

[narrow tartan]

I have. This joke thing. Where the Outside existed before the death of the sun. But it was like a couple of acres. So like. "Within the cup or fire there is the Is, beyond it is the Not, and then there is rhis Other Thing that isnt very important"

Hmm. What if. The Outside grew from the Wyrding Wall

[restive ridge]

They are going to get presented the same way characters in a dating sim get presented in a steam page

[vivid wraith]

📝

[patent tiger]

So, not much change from prior editions

[frank light]

"They're fucking twisted and they pretend it's our fault" hell yeah

[patent tiger]

Blood Of Olympus type beat

This one's for the girls who like twisted romances

[frank light]

yeah

"is this even a crime?"

i love that one

[restive ridge]

Nobilis is the first yumejoshi ttrpg

[vivid wraith]

that can't be true but it should be

[restive ridge]

There might be older smaller yumejoshi ttrpgs but they would dead evolutionary branches

[vivid wraith]

hmmmmmmm

(glitch marginalia)

[obsidian dagger]

hmmmmm

[vivid wraith]

which could mean nothing

[restive ridge]

Hmm

[vivid wraith]

Heaven's Feel is a Burn ending, Unlimited Blade Works is a Stilling ending, Fate route is, Immersion ending I guess

(thematically HF is more about Flore but)

[vestal mist]

Are all Jenna's games shared universe?

[reef perch]

not all of them - wtf and the flood are their own works, for one

[vestal mist]

But this exists in the Chuubo's legendarium?

[vivid wraith]

Nobilis, Glitch, and Chuubo's share a cosmology, but Chuubo's is on the other side of a weird apocalypse that turns everything into a high school AU

[vestal mist]

Icic

Still

[vivid wraith]

Far Roofs should be in the Chuubo's-side cosmology but the book tells us to connect to our world instead

[vestal mist]

Uhhh, big Leo and Jasper loredrop

[vivid wraith]

so the short answer is "yeah several of these are a shared universe" but "universe" is a touchy word here

[reef perch]

cmwge does make mention of earth being slowly reclaimed, so that may be the formulation of our world that froofs is intended to be set in?

[vivid wraith]

perhaps

passages like this one suggest something a little weirder though

[vestal mist]

...that's the place with the bats

[vivid wraith]

yeah

[vestal mist]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[vivid wraith]

(Dol-y-gaer is never mentioned outside of this, as far as i'm aware, so the connection is genuinely obscure, but, it's definitely some kind of reference)

[vestal mist]

Why do I feel like Jenna is the sort to hide a massive ARG in all her games

[vivid wraith]

it's not not what this is tbh

[restive ridge]

Hmmm

Yeah that works

[restive ridge]

Also Fate related, thinking about Beast of Humanity and where they fall in the Light/Dark dichotomy

I think Im gonna go with "Ruleslord if they had the Gamelord skillset"

[restive ridge]

For context Beasts are beings that have a sufficiently strong and weird love/hate relationship with Humanity that they gain magical powers. This love/hate usually means they want to change the fundamental human experience- one of them wants to put everybody in maximum sensory pleasure pods and another wants to destroy all of human history to time travel and start over with their own human template.
They tend to have a lot of powers but their mainstays are:

• a sort of acausality? Like they can just charge up for a bit and just decide to time travel to somewhere and somewhen new
• a bonus against anything that is Human, not enough to make a legendary Hero like Artoria powerless against them but enough to matter, especially against magi and the mundane, doesnt work on anything that was never human.
• A Nega-Skill, which allows them to Negate something. Examples are like Nega-Servant which simply allows them to prevent Servants from being summoned against, a Nega-Saviour for a Beast thats a sorta of an Anti-Buddha figure and a Nega-Weapon which both made anything that wasnt a magical artifact not do anything to them but also allowed them to use weapons better than Humanity to the point a simple rifle was firing mountain-shattering bullets.
• Sometimes they get split into two beings that are the Left/Right versions of each other, who embody opposing concepts but both are formed from the same Thing. One time a version asked their opposite "Hey are you gonna try and eat me to become the entire whole?" and the other replied "No dumbass we arent two halves to be joined, we are diametrically opposed enemies"
• Use Sakura's poor body to manifest into like every single other divine thing in need of a host girl cannot catch a break

@vivid wraith

[vivid wraith]

ooooooooooh

that is interesting

[obsidian dagger]

I'm getting Called Away, certainly. Mmmmaybe Awakening. Maybe something Silver but I'm not sure what.

Gamers do get Called Away, though.

[restive ridge]

Called Away is a 100% yeah

Nega-Skills are a big enough part of their deal and similar to Cut the Soul that I wanna say CoF too

[obsidian dagger]

I was misreading how Nega-Skills work because I never adequately got into Fate like I keep meaning to.

I thought they were closer to Indomitable Tribulations, where they destroyed things. Cut the Soul is more like "this is my story and it doesn't involve dealing with your nonsense". I suspect that sometimes, when it's used, it doesn't even look like the character doing something (other times it can, of course).

[vestal mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/222078231040229376/1346401247573573702/RDT_20250303_1441423042480554813868248.jpg?ex=67c80d60&is=67c6bbe0&hm=770bbbddc54764bf3028d6ed30d73841a220b7446ad1899a7a9bdc59044c626e&

This is such a Jenna post

[obsidian dagger]

Not quite weird enough, but yeah.

That's what black arcs are like, but especially what Prophet is like.

[restive ridge]

To also add there's also 7 "Slots" for Beasts, representing distinct Evils of Humanity, with particular individuals becoming "Beast candidates" then fully-fledged Beasts in a process that also bears physical changes

Which is Awakening I think?

[vestal mist]

Let me guess. The slots are the classic 7?

(To clarify, this is A Good Thing)

[restive ridge]

They are biblically themed but nah weirder shit

Stuff like Pity, Regression, Comparrison, Nature, Desire

[vestal mist]

Ooh, I see

[frank light]

More or less. With some fuzziness

Whenever Jasper says some weird shit about angels or cosmology, she’s usually drawing from oversimplified Nobilis or glitch lore

Is how I’ve been doing it

[frank light]

Also yea Jasper would

[narrow tartan]

There is some vague references to a couple of other worlds on the Tree. Offeili or something. And the one with living clothing. Do you guys know where that is?

[frank light]

Only mentioned offhand in like. 3e and glitch as far as I’ve seen
If it’s in other content idk

Trying to remember what the living clothes world is called

Started with a d

[narrow tartan]

I think she once posted some encrypted hints or something online. I remember seeing something about someone cracking one of them.

[candid compass]

Dionyl

[frank light]

That’s the one

[narrow tartan]

Hnm.

Thoughts

[magic mason]

Oh?

[narrow tartan]

I cant remember them.

Novel thoughts today include a bunch of sneks using A Tangled History to make it so they visited Heaven in the past

[vivid wraith]

"but the branches are too weak"
-they weren't back then

[narrow tartan]

Nah. Its the real reason the Excrucian host got in

[fleet harbor]

Well, my traitor noble is now officially a double traitor

[vivid wraith]

WOOOOOO

[patent tiger]

smh

[candid compass]

what is Robin up to?

[restive ridge]

What is she cooking

[fleet harbor]

Went to hell, killed a weak local magister with ease but found the experience terribly horrible, beat the shit out of the Powers of Mammon — Fallen of Desire, Hunger, and Gold — but had a change of heart and could not kill Mammon, so Lupe (who was with them) shoved Mammon in a duffel bag and now Robin is going to make them work at one of their anchors, a funeral home

Run by an elderly ghost matriarch

[frank light]

yeah

[fleet harbor]

Mathenge Burials By Sea

[restive ridge]

Amazing

[fleet harbor]

Or, to sum all of that up https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aKOtcfXleyQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QeglgSWKSIY

Meanwhile, Harmony is off to yell at Hell’s manager

And Estelle is arranging weird soul-surgery to steal Apologies from a devil and graft it onto an angel

[frank light]

yeah

[candid compass]

damn, that Fallen is having a bad time

[fleet harbor]

Karavans just beat up Excuses with a Flower Rite in order to get said Devil to leave our boss Eudonia alone (they dated in Eudonia’s pre-mimic days)

[candid compass]

which is the estate Karavans did a flower rite on?

[frank light]

excuses

it still....kinda exists its just wounded heavily

[fleet harbor]

I like to think that the wound to excuses relates to Robin’s change of heart XD

The chronology on that doesn’t quite work out, but it seems funny

Harmony also killed a hell magister and turned his only power into a Deceiver

[strange raptor]

smh 😔

that's gonna be really fun for when we reconvene for soul surgery 2 (the sequel) though!

[magic mason]

Should have known from their Flore…. They love the abhorrent nature of creation

[strange raptor]

drama!

[fleet harbor]

The funny thing is, double traitor in this case means “traitor to both sides” not “traitor back to their original side”

Robin still thinks that god lit the house on fire

[candid compass]

Maybe Robin can find a nice Chancery chapter to join 😛

Though also, is leaving Mammon alive really a betrayal of Eudonia?

[fleet harbor]

Not necessarily, but Robin is pretty clear that they can’t go on supporting the Excrucian cause as it presently exists

[magic mason]

Do y’all think a pstate can work as the seed for a welken rite

Or do you need something from Ninuan

[vivid wraith]

hmmm

feels like it might work

[frank light]

how do you mean a pstate

like something from the pstate being used as a seed?

like whats being used here

[magic mason]

Deciever pseudestates

Like could you use a bindings or something to create the seed of a welken rite

[restive ridge]

Eidolon from Worm is a Strategist with high Lore (Unfathomable power that fails to fix his personal issues, is obviously pathetic and sad, varied powerset that he doesnt fully control, gained powers through a singular point in time that united him with something strange and primordial, summons up divine manifestations of his personal issues that end up as everybodies problem)

[frank light]

i honestly felt serpent or fallen with how weirdly specific and confined his power is and sealed but
that works

[frank light]

hm

i think you need something that doesnt exist in the world

which is possible to get with a pseudoestate

but not universally

like, iolithae could do it

she could make something that doubts the world itself

but i dont think coriander could

not with his pstate at least

[restive ridge]

I think he's too soggy for either

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. I think that. Nonstandard deceiver hacks (not second skin) that arent some other type of metamiraculous fudgery should use the Pstate properties as the starting point

[vivid wraith]

oooh

[restive ridge]

(Fallen SHOULD be soggy but the fires of Hell makes them crispy)

[candid compass]

Eidolon definitely would have Sealed

theoretically all powerful, doesn't live up to his potential in practice

[narrow tartan]

If the Fallen had won and cast the Angels to Hell on their place. Heaven would still be empty because the Fallen would have gone out to the world

[restive ridge]

Nobody to keep the gates tho

People would juat go there

And also then Entropy would kick everyone out after he gets power and make it his throne room

[narrow tartan]

Assigning arcs Watsonian vs Doylist

[vivid wraith]

hmmmm

[narrow tartan]

In part a reference to my assertion that super heros probably have allegorical

Just they definitely have tangled histories.

And probably roles assigned to them by the world

[vivid wraith]

ye

[obsidian dagger]

I wonder... are there noppera-bo in Town? And/or as part of the Evil World?

[vivid wraith]

i had to search to see if this was a marginalia fiction creature only mentioned in Unlikely Flowerings or something but no you're talking about actual folklore

[obsidian dagger]

I mean, there's "long-necked folk" (rokurokubi) and "shop foxes" (kitsune) so it seems plausible.

I also HC that there may be a small but real shapeshifting tanuki population in Town, whose rivalry with the Kitsune is more theatrical than anything else.

Like, they'll swear vengeance towards each other and stuff, but if a tanuki and a kitsune fell in love, the most likely negative consequence is that they'd get really sick of people referencing Romeo and Juliet at them.

Nobody (...or, well, almost nobody) would actually seriously disapprove because of that.

[frank light]

oh
probably?

probably somewhere

[narrow tartan]

I have realized that my Nobilis character could probably 1v1 most superheros

[vivid wraith]

gettem

[narrow tartan]

Just. Combination Aspect 5 and Soul Cutting Sword (which is overtuned)

[fleet harbor]

An Aspect 6 miracle can pretty much do whatever, an Aspect 7 miracle doesn't even have to make sense

[obsidian dagger]

I am looking at Ill-Made for Glass-Maker's Dragon, and trying very hard to convince myself not to give her Primordial. I think the strongest argument against it is that I'm not sure I want her to be that metaphysically important? She defaults to Creature of the Light, though, so Immortality isn't intrinsically wrong for her... but I'm not sure if that's supposed to be Creature of Delirium.

It would just be kind of extremely neat if she could (and probably automatically would) grow limbs to reflect the parts of people that they don't like. I guess she'd take unnatural actions through "your reflection"?

[frank light]

oh that could be fun

and to be fair, there is another nightmare world denizen with Primordial

so its not too weird for strange mythical creatures or figures to bear weirdly divine powers

[obsidian dagger]

Right, yes. Simon Brambles (who will probably not show up in my individual campaign, since nobody's playing Rinley).

[frank light]

yea

but who knows
characters from other peoples arcs appear in other peoples things sometimes

[obsidian dagger]

They do, but... hence, "probably".

[frank light]

i believe one of the suggestions for jaspers opposite number in one of her arcs was Iolithae

mhm mhm

[fleet harbor]

Power of Dinosaurs

High aspect and persona

"I don't want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs"

[magic mason]

I think Sauron is a strategist actually

Like Malaki style

[fleet harbor]

Disagree, Sauron is a warmain, but Morgoth is a strategist

[magic mason]

nono not that Sauron

the "I don't want to cure cancer, I wan't to turn people into dinosaurs" guy

[fleet harbor]

Oh okay

I was just referring to the fact that a Power of Dinosaurs with high persona can turn people into dinosaurs

[narrow tartan]

It also depends a little on how superman is modeled... Also. I want to see a character who could beat superman in a showdown but lose to superman as a comic book character

[narrow tartan]

I mean Gandalf is an excrucian name and I am pretty certain he is described as having a twinkle in his eyes

[magic mason]

When he was a kid he went to Antarctica, and got attacked by a radioactive pterodactyl
This, contrary to what you might think, did not turn him into a dinosaur person
No, it turned him into a life force vampire, and its mostly just played as a normal disability, he just makes people tired and shouldn't be allowed around pregnant women
however whenever he accidentally drains a mutant he turns into a monstrous creature named "Sauron" who is a master scientist, can breath fire, hypnotize people with his eyes and generally is a fucker

[narrow tartan]

Though. Gandalf the Warmain isnt actually a Lord of the Rings character. Instead he has inserted himself into yhe Lord of the Rings

[obsidian dagger]

This might be spoilers for my own campaign but I am increasingly wondering if ||the Haunted Child is trans||. I mean... ||Ill-Made isn't literally a dysphoria elemental, but you can see why I'm sort of thinking in that direction?||

[frank light]

oh shit nearly clicked that lmao

[obsidian dagger]

I dunno. I'm just cooking.

I probably will need to bring it up before doing it, anyway.

Entropy I had the change-blood to some extent, right? I mean, Lee Scathing has tanks of his blood, too, and uses it to make monsters.

I'm also trying to figure out if this conception of Ill-Made would work better as Primordial or as Creature of Delirium. The latter lets her disguise herself better, and it implies that rather than growing limbs which mirror other people's ugliest features, she takes out an "ugliness weymark" and turns people into monsters made entirely out of whatever part of themself they most hate.

On the one hand, the Primordial version lets her emote at you from your own reflection. On the other, it maybe makes more sense for her to be SIckly Red than Immortal Black, especially given the sample descriptions of what she does with her default assignment of Creature of the Light.

[frank light]

oooooooo

yeah

[obsidian dagger]

My biggest potential strike against her having Primordial is that I'm not sure if it would make sense for her to, say, show up in front of Natalia with a limb representing Leonardo's worst self.

[frank light]

true yeah

primordial's transformation is much slower rather than active

creature of delirium gets the chance to change really quickly for specific things

while primordial is...different

[obsidian dagger]

The main reason I want Primordial because it would be really neat if she could talk to Leonardo and grow mangled, twisted wings that might have been beautiful once, but now broken bones poke through the flesh and they drip with blood and are licked with tongues of fire.

On the other hand, Creature of Delirium lets her be a writhing mass of snakes and still convincingly disguise herself as a human being.

[obsidian dagger]

Creature of Delirium Ill-Made implies that some number of her minions are in fact transformed people.

Also I need to remember that even if she is ugliness, or she is "what you find ugly in herself"... that's not her experience, because her Experience is something she takes from you. Possibly she takes away your pride, or your ego, or your self-love.

Wait... no. That's not what she does. She estranges you from the ugliest portions of yourself. She prevents you from looking at your flaws. The way you beat her is by looking at the ugly thing she pulled out of you, and saying "yes, that is me, even if I sort of wish it wasn't".

is that it? I really can't decide whether she makes you more aware of your flaws, or less aware of them.

[fleet harbor]

Update: Harmony has challenged the devil for rulership of hell (he refused)

[frank light]

alternatively her minions could just be Sovereignty

and the results of sovereingty can be anything

[obsidian dagger]

Fair enough.

[vivid wraith]

https://jennafans.dreamwidth.org/20075.html

new quest set

(this is visible right)

[frank light]

AOAH

[obsidian dagger]

Is this just someone seeing "cinderella syndrome" in relation to Reality Syndrome and going all-in on it?

Because I'm not sure why this is Gold. Maybe I didn't read it well enough.

[restive ridge]

Still loses to the average DC human citizen

(The atoms in DC are like, incredibly large and complex compared to real life, so the basic human scales around to Multiversal? AFAIK)

(I love powerscaling)

[narrow tartan]

Huh?

[restive ridge]

Uuh

Still loses to Goku

[frank light]

wha

[vivid wraith]

the prosaic world is a mimic estate in DC

[patent tiger]

Powerscaling is great because you can just say whatever

I could win in a fight with aleph-null gods at once probably

(- dialogue from every Deceiver, when pressed)

[restive ridge]

I believe them

[reef perch]

what about 2^(aleph-null) gods at once

[vestal mist]

G(aleph-one)

[patent tiger]

Unfortunately, Deceivers as a rule are confused by sufficiently advanced math and think all infinities are pretty much the same

They know enough to know that saying "well I have infinity plus one attack power" is incorrect, but not enough to actually stop saying it

[narrow tartan]

Giving out pokemon excrucian names

Fairdin

For a Grubbin

(thinder mountain)

[vivid wraith]

yes
very good

[narrow tartan]

Just. Catch something and spend ten minute staring at name roots

[obsidian dagger]

Primordial Ill-Made could have all of her extra limbs be snakes with different kinds of venom, probably. Which is a shame, because it'd also be fun to have her talk to Leonardo and grow mangled, broken wings... but thematic consistency. (Or I give her Creature of Delirium and the whole idea is moot.)

Creature of Delirium would let her be a mass of snakes and also use her skills to fairly convincingly disguise herself as a human.

[frank light]

yeah

creature of delirium can still give also like, some weird poisonous stuff if needed

it still gives edge and tool bonuses to weird organs or capabilities

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah. I just also would have to figure out whether she makes others blind to their own flaws, forcing them to turn away from the darker, uglier corners of themselves rather than acknowledging them, or if she makes other hyper-aware of those flaws until they can see nothing else within themself.

She is "the ugly parts of you that you don't want to look at" and... I know the book suggested that she may not be the ugly parts of you personally but I honestly think it's kind of neater if she is.

Either way, I think she can turn people into monsters made of the most exaggerated negative part of themself. The question is whether they say "this is all I am", or whether they're stuck until they can look at the ugly thing that's thrown in their face and say "yes, this is part of me still, too".

...okay, this is not a thing that Ill-Made should be doing, probably, but it would be kind of neat to have a character who uses weymarks to steal people's self-image and then (with mostly mundane skills) shapeshift into a version of that person as they see themself. Which may or may not convincingly fool other people around them.

And, meanwhile, the other people are turned into an exaggerated caricature of what they don't want to see in themself, with their self-image stolen.

I think that is a different character and not Ill-Made. But it's cool.

[narrow tartan]

Hmm... Rename Monstrous to Dire due to my aesthetic preferences

[frank light]

ok

[narrow tartan]

:p

[narrow tartan]

"Actually I prefer Monopoly." Divine Warrant: Wicked Action

[vivid wraith]

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/503276/chuubos-sagenhafte-wunscherfuellungsmaschine

Chuubo's in German 👀

[obsidian dagger]

well. having "wish-granting engine" be a single word is both eminently logical and slightly amusing in some strange way.

[frank light]

yeah

[obsidian dagger]

I think I have cooked with Creature of Delirium Ill-Made, whose Experience she extracts is a prism containing a person's self-image.

[vivid wraith]

nice nice nice

[obsidian dagger]

She can then use Many-Faced to (mundanely) transform into whoever's experience she just stole, although it's a purely physical transformation; she knows how to act like and impersonate them, but she doesn't get any of their powers.

Also, she doesn't disguise herself as an accurate copy of the target; she disguises herself as a copy of how the Weymark owner sees themself, which could potentially be very different.

This would also imply that her Sovereignty lets her haunt and/or control people who don't have a clear idea who they are, which I like.

...and that Ill-Made has some serious self-image issues herself, which are either distorted or unclear. I'm sort of selling myself on this.

[frank light]

hell yeah

fuck yeah

[obsidian dagger]

It defaults to giving her Creature of the Light, whch gives her slightly more ability to haunt people from a distance, but honestly, she can pull off a lot of her haunting well enough. Especially against PCs who include "Jasper, who doesn't know she's the sun yet" and Leonardo.

Her true form is a mass of serpents which can weave themselves into a humanoid form, though she usually disguises this with heavy clothing. If looked at more directly, the serpents are almost all within the range of human skin colors but not at all the same color so she has a patchwork appearance. Of course, she can choose snakes which all have the same color to disguise herself, and frequently does, especially if she's disguising herself as a specific person... and, especially when she has that person's weymark, these disguises are very convincing.

[frank light]

true

[restive ridge]

Amazing

[frank light]

also im always appreciative of weird monsters for jasper to get bothered by

its my best source of limbs :3

[obsidian dagger]

Just remembered that time I decided to take Ada McNae (mentioned once offhandedly in the Horizon campaign) and give her a full PC-style writeup.

also there's a joke I really want to make about her but I need someone to ask me a specific question first in order to tee it up.

[vivid wraith]

oooooh

[obsidian dagger]

...look at the character profile blurbs.

[frank light]

Your name is…
- Randal Verglas, a girlish boy who wears a puffy newsboy cap and dresses.
- Samantha Verglas, a boyish girl who wears a beanie and thick coats.

Cooking up a malicious lifepath for the Dropout

[vestal mist]

The Dropout?

[frank light]

I’ve been tinkering with my own chuubo module thing for a bit now, for the Walking Fields

The dropout is a main character who dropped out of the bleak academy

They are also a boy who wears dresses because idk why not

And also I named him after…another character that appeared in a book written by Jenna

Or he can be a girl instead but it’s not the default

[vestal mist]

I see

So femboy Leo?

[frank light]

LMAO

He’s a strategist/undergrad of the college of emptiness and dream

So more like femboy Miramie but far more irritable

He can complain about existence so hard as to waive it away

Or make an argument for something’s lack of existence.

He may argue that the existence of something is merely circumstantial and, lo, it is

[vestal mist]

I think, therefore, you aren't?

[frank light]

It clearly couldn’t be, and never was

Yeah

[vestal mist]

Noce

Philosophical Imperialism

[frank light]

Yea

Except it can delete things from the world

(From his perspective he merely postulates that it never was. He just stopped participating in the illusion that such a thing was real)

His mundane skills currently look like this

Cold Demeanor 3. You’re cold, mean, and a little bit cruel. You’re like a glacier, except you’re a person.

Fashionable 2. You look pretty good in a dress. Like, you know what you’re doing when it comes to dresses and skirts. 

Shut-in 1. You don’t go outside often, so you’re good at making food for yourself and keeping the house clean.

Complaining 1. You love complaining. Life is hard, and there’s just so much to complain about. But it’s not particularly useful.

Bleak Philosophy 0. You’re good at finding reasons for why the world should be destroyed. It’s harder to explain them to people though.

Annoying 0. You’re pretty annoying. But not in any useful way.


Rider Necromancy 1. You completely bombed out of advanced necromancy II, but, you know the basics. It comes in handy when you don’t want to go outside.

Bond - I judge the world and find it wanting - Based on Sickness Issue

[vestal mist]

Ah, I see. A nihilist

I will employ the simplest logical refutation

[frank light]

Strategists are all nihilists

And unfortunately

Really annoying ones

Because their Nihilism is so strong they can just delete stuff

Anyway he’s dropped out and his arcs are about getting better and learning to be a better person

Randal is
Not a good person!

[fleet harbor]

I dunno, I'd say most strategists have pretty clear values. They have to, to say that the world is wrong

[frank light]

Yea

Gk you’ve read fable
How do you feel about this decision

[restive ridge]

He needs to be meaner

[frank light]

He can get worse.

[fleet harbor]

Which decision? The skill set?

[frank light]

No no making this freak Randal

…or at least a quasi reference to another Randal.
We have forced Randal to put on the dress.

[fleet harbor]

Was Randal the awful deceiver boyfriend?

It's been a while

[frank light]

Yes

That was him

[fleet harbor]

Jasper turns him into something, right?

[frank light]

Jasmine yeah
The goop

The fable of the swan is only quasi canon to the dropouts story
But hes still a failchild rider boy

[fleet harbor]

Woops, yeah

Gotcha

Yeah, makes sense

It also makes sense for him to be even more of a failboy when he's a little older

Feels like older Randall will have that "I was cool in high school" vibe

[frank light]

Yea

I thought to myself “wow the dropout is a complete excrucian fail kid asshole and kinda a bad person.”
“…oh hey has anyone done anything with Randal-“

[fleet harbor]

And I mean he is cool in high school

Just not in a way that translates to functional human relationships as an adult

[frank light]

Yea exactly!

Also I’m learning the walking fields tends to have a lot more prejudices around than places like fortitude or horizon

So honestly him being a complete shut-in asshole on the edge of town also works very good since…well he’s still got those eyes
And still does talk about the annihilation of everything

He’s got Complaining 1

[fleet harbor]

Turning him into goo was honestly appropriate

[frank light]

Slimeboyyyyy

Slime boy who wears dresses

Holy shit epiphany

Apologies -1. You are…not good at apologizing. This is not something that has ever worked out or been productive for you. It honestly makes things worse or just makes yourself feel better more than anything else.

2 will to apologize in such a way that it makes at least you feel better.
4 will to apologize genuinely productively in any way.

[restive ridge]

Very good

[narrow tartan]

What I got from randall is that there are riders who aren't full blown gods

Also traditionally excrucians live in communes?

[frank light]

At least in town specifically

Especially in the walking fields

Though those are people with some rider blood in them rather than full blown like, transcended death gods

[obsidian dagger]

I have accidentally turned Ill-Made into a blorbo even though she hasn't shown up yet.

[vivid wraith]

It happens

[obsidian dagger]

Also I have two different ideas for what her "tell" for Set Apart is. I thought it was her serpentine eyes, but now I think it might be her voice, in a weird sort of way.

[frank light]

ooo

[obsidian dagger]

She disguises herself as someone else after she's taken their Experience of their self-image, meaning she disguises herself as who the other person thinks they are. Which, logically, would mean her voice would sound like what that other person's voice sounds like to themself.

[frank light]

ooo

[vestal mist]

Oh, no

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah. It's the sort of thing where, if she has Complex 0 (or, realistically, if Leonardo has (in) Over Your Head 0), people could plausibly write it off as a sore throat or something, but if Set Apart is active, it could serve as a plausible tell.

I think she kind of needs both, though, because strictly speaking she can still disguise herself even if she isn't holding anyone's Experience, meaning she'd need a tell even then.

I'm worried that her Experience might be too similar to the Second Name extracted by Hedge the Fang but I think there's some meaningful differences?

[frank light]

theres probably a meaningful one

and if theyre a tiny bit similar its okay

...well hedge the fang does have a chance of appearing during this arc but- theyre still distinct enough that theyre both unique
and also close enough that there's narrative parallels and symmetry

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah. Also... uh, it has to be revealed in play, but I wouldn't be surprised if she ultimately turns out to be much more redeemable than Hedge the Fang. (Then again, maybe I'm wrong about Hedge and he'll turn out to be more sympathetic than I expected!)

[vivid wraith]

hedge the fang redemption arc would be wild

[obsidian dagger]

He's not officially a Deceiver but... he's kind of a Deceiver.

Also I figured out her Sovereignty condition: if you fall asleep in the same region as her, and don't have a clear idea of who you are (not even necessarily an accurate idea, just a clear one), she can command or transform you.

[vestal mist]

I have equally hyped and scared of what you're cooking

[obsidian dagger]

I suspect that if this happens, you have a nightmare about a snake stealing a prism from you.

It's a shame the Best Friend isn't in this campaign because arguably she'd just automatically get Sovereignty over them.

[vestal mist]

Yet

[obsidian dagger]

Isn't as a PC, I mean. But you do bring up a good point.

Oh, never mind:

If the process as it is understood would make a Main Character into one of your vessels, or if the HG declares one to be at random, they may choose to take a Surface Wound to resist or escape.

so I guess you get a dream of a snake trying to steal a prism from you, but you can take a surface wound of "didn't sleep well last night" instead.

[frank light]

...that would be funny as fuck

holy shit

[restive ridge]

I could fix her

[obsidian dagger]

Or at minimum understand if not fix. I dunno.

[frank light]

Jasper is probably not the right person for the job but
Who knows

It’s not like eating hedge the fang would permanently harm him

[narrow tartan]

Camora gets ahold of the Wish Granting Engine Mk. 1

[vivid wraith]

oh no

[patent tiger]

The Harrison Armory Wish-Granting Engine Mk. 1 “Worldkiller”

[frank light]

Chuubo dont…

[magic mason]

I wish I had the harmony emoji for this but
"Actually, The Ghengis MK1 was a GMS patent that Harrison Armory took in the divorce, alongside enkidu."

[patent tiger]

Counter-Harmony - if they have the rights to it now, then it is theirs to slap the name on

Intellectual property is the law of the land and grants you the power to rewrite the past

...

Power of Intellectual Property with those as properties

That has such nasty potential

[frank light]

Wow

[fleet harbor]

Luckily this is Chuubo's so the Camorra is mostly just a group of people who play Netrunner now :D

[narrow tartan]

Chronologically if you use the correct timeline the cardboard wish granting engine predates the death of the sun

[obsidian dagger]

I'm thinking about Ill-Made still (she is my blorbo) but I'm also thinking about being able to use Become Somebody to be a great chef who knows all kinds of weird obscure recipes. Like, "oh, I just happen to know how to cook the delicacy of the random small town you grew up in, which is almost unheard of elsewhere."

[frank light]

Ooooooo

Also yes ill-made is great

[obsidian dagger]

is this more Become Somebody, Creature of Delirium, or something else? (Black Hat is frequently vaguely Orange, I'd argue.)

https://xkcd.com/1094/

xkcd: Interview

Hey, before you go, can you explain to me what job I now have?

(I forgot to paste the link at first...)

[vivid wraith]

Delirium has this i think

[obsidian dagger]

oh, you think it's a transformation? Fair enough.

[vivid wraith]

Sitting in the other interview chair would count as a "mode of being." probably

[obsidian dagger]

Banishment to "over there".

Also I'm just now noticing that Manipulation in Chuubo's transforms or banishes someone, but in Froofs it can do both simultaneously.

[vivid wraith]

correct!

[fleet harbor]

Alternately: that one Wounded Angel 5 power

Probably Creature of Delirium tho

[vestal mist]

Yes, he really is

[gloomy oasis]

So what is Beret Guy? https://xkcd.com/1388/

xkcd: Subduction License

'Dude, why can't you just be a normal roommate?' 'Because I'm coming TOWARD you!'

[reef perch]

take: beret guy isn't quite a serpent but isn't not a serpent

[vivid wraith]

I definitely get Reality Syndrome vibes from him

[reef perch]

his hack could perhaps be making use of overly-everyday implementations of scientific concepts? see the subduction above and also https://xkcd.com/1486 for example

xkcd: Vacuum

Do you think you could actually clean the living room at some point, though?

[vivid wraith]

This is still the most memorable Beret Guy Magical Realism Moment to me
https://xkcd.com/1099/

xkcd: Tuesdays

Try our bottomless drinks and fall forever!

[frank light]

Woah

[patent tiger]

Love how the other guy's reaction to the tremendous energy of the vacuum is to indignantly insist that that's still not how that works

10/10 energy

Me when I encounter the miraculous

[narrow tartan]

Airplane deceiver might use Theft to steal accreditation

Not certain how expansice that should be. Because I can imagine goofy use cases for an expansive definition. Like stealing a dogs pedigree

[vivid wraith]

incredible

[fleet harbor]

Robin at Domain 5

[frank light]

Lmao yeah

[magic mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iPBJDMwGXk
I realized today that this is a really good Creature Of Fable song

[narrow tartan]

Cursed twist for a chuubks game: The Headmaster of the Bleak Academy doesn't know Jade is dead. He thought she survived because the sun came back. And has ever since felt guilty

[frank light]

LMAO

One theory is that her death was his attempt to bring his lover home

Since he lives in the land of deaths dominion

And perhaps she is trapped in the house of the sun

[fleet harbor]

He's also a warmain

God, that's a morbid thought

[obsidian dagger]

It kind of is. It could be Troubled, but I don't think so.

I'm still rebuilding my arcs as songs reference so that's really useful.

[narrow tartan]

Jasper going to the academy and discovering that the Headmaster is now a composite of both her parents

[obsidian dagger]

Thus far it's mostly a lot of "I dunno", and then Hollow Moon for Gatekeeper.

[frank light]

yup!

i know someone was working on a module where he may have even tempered jade and uh
...
yeah
that one was bleak

But it still had a house of the sun.
and it still had a irinka

haha wow yeah

oh actually there is some fanart of a tempered jade one sec

https://candiedreptile.club/picture.php?/861/tags/48-the_headmaster_of_the_bleak_academy

[narrow tartan]

Wow

That one is getting saved

[magic mason]

This is the bit that made me think of CoF

I've gotten good at making up metaphors
I've gotten good at stretching the truth out of shape
And all these words are sweet and meaningless
You can't trust a single thing I say

like, while Troubled does have that trickster juice too, the idea of "Reframing the narrative via storytelling and poetry" is very CoF/Hunter

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah, Creature of Fable seems like a better bet. I'm considering storing it in my "arcs as songs" list even but Creature of Fable has a surprsing amount of competition.

I say, but I don't have anything else written down perfectly for it.

I was considering The Only Thing I Know For Real for it?

[frank light]

oh lmao

[magic mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YQV1qD-_Uw
@obsidian dagger
I usually think of this for Awakening.
Its got like... an uncanny and ominous energy and the focus it places on waking, dreaming and memory feels appropriate to your achronological sickly ass

In general awakening is the arc my brain goes to first for the whole "YOUR NOT ASCENDING TO GODHOOD, YOUR JUST DEHYDRATED"

[frank light]

did some jasper doodles

[vivid wraith]

Wicked Mode

[frank light]

wicked mode...

[gloomy oasis]

I need a Wicked Mode.

[restive ridge]

Babyyyy

[frank light]

Yeah.
Her robes are backless due to her wings

[restive ridge]

Im putting her in a microwave

[frank light]

She’d be fine

[restive ridge]

Im putting butter on her head

[vestal mist]

Why?

I mean, I'm down, we can take notes, but what's your motivation? (I'm Leo in the same game)

[restive ridge]

Free will

[vestal mist]

Removing hers? Sure

[obsidian dagger]

Looking at the NPC described as "the Prodigy's tutor" and "a vessel of Hedge the Fang" I forgot his name, I no longer think Creature of Delirium Ill-Made would turn out too close to him, even if it is a kind of dense concentration of Creatures of Delirium. I actually think the effects on their vessels would be opposite.

Hedge the Fang's vessel has a mind like clear glass and exists in an eternal spotless present, disconnected from past and future. Ill-Made's vessels would be kind of the opposite; they can think about the past that led them here, and can envision the future consequences of actions, but struggle to state any sort of opinion in the present. Rather than an all-consuming certainty of who they are, untainted by the world around them, they can no longer tell who they are save for by obsverving how others shape and react to them.

Also, she's kind of weird in a hopefully-interesting way because her Experience is neither clearly good nor clearly bad.

If you have no self-image, you're lost and adrift, vulnerable to other people telling you who you are. But it's also possible to have a totally deluded self-image which completely obscures your flaws, leaving you mired in self-deception and unable to improve.