Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)

[narrow tartan]

nods i am definitely thinking Monstrous is a better fit for Zu. At least based on the few cultuvation stories I have read

[restive ridge]

Zu lack Indomitable because they dont have the monstrousness of most cultivator types in fiction

They are too wise and peaceful and calm and they dont sacrifice enough innocent bystanders in their unrelenting pursuit of power

[narrow tartan]

nodnod makes sense then

Monstrous for cultivators next world over

[obsidian dagger]

Indomitable doesn't necessarily involve doing horrible things. It definitely involves the potential to do horrible things, but... actually, now that I'm typing it out, it would be interesting to consider all the silver arcs in terms of that.

They're about the potential to do horrible, dangerous things. You're under no obligation to ever actually do so! But the potential is there.

Accursed in particular is about living an ordinary life while also having access to the most destructive power imaginable.

I don't have a great understanding of Renegade conceptually, though.

The Zu also need more... stuff... in general.

[narrow tartan]

What do you mean by that?

[obsidian dagger]

Like, they don't really show up in anything as far as I know?

They're mentioned here and there, but not acknowledged in Glitch iirc?

[narrow tartan]

nods

[obsidian dagger]

And in Town, they're sort of "well, Natalia has to be something" and then Jenna's blog has mentioned "Zushan Burgers" once or twice.

[vivid wraith]

they're more of an easter egg at this point

[obsidian dagger]

One was considered for the Horizon campaign, but rejected in favor of who would eventually become Psalida Ceaser.

[frank light]

The zu I think are mostly just like…not really a part of stuff anymore

And it’s not like they need to be anymore

[frank light]

I mean does Natalia have to be something?

[fleet harbor]

Russian :D

[frank light]

HAH

[fleet harbor]

I think the real answer is that splat identity is not always well-defined in Chuubo's, nor does it have to be

[frank light]

Yeah

For some it’s pretty obvious

And for others it’s just…not a concern

Rinley is just like that I think????

[obsidian dagger]

Rinley is, loosely speaking, a Gamer.

Froofs moved more solidly away from splat identity, though.

[frank light]

he might be a gamer

but also

almost nothing about his actual backstory suggests being a gamer

unless he happens to have superior magister somehow like entropy does

[fleet harbor]

My take is that the lines between miraculous and mundane are much thinner in Chuubo's than in Nobilis/Glitch

Sometimes the teenager is an Aaron's Serpent, or a Mimic

Sometimes the teenager is a teenager

[frank light]

yeah

theres some deeper stuff going on in gmd

but i think rinely and natalia are just really like that!

i mean, natalia's tutor who has Become Somebody and was touched by hedge the fang isnt an actual or anything

hes just like that

[obsidian dagger]

Rinley mostly just had Gamer arcs, but... yeah, in Chuubo's, some of the arc assignments were "well they have to be something by mechanical similarity" and Froofs has a lot more weirdo bespoke combos.

[narrow tartan]

If I had Aspect I would probably still be bad at civilization style games. Just my basic decision making wouldn't change.

But with less suprised Pikachu faces at being outmatched in war

[tall jolt]

Affliction: Bad at strategy games 5

Random thought though
Noble of concept of "Not Learning From Mistakes"

Can't think of a more summarized word for that

[obsidian dagger]

Not quite the same but it reminds me of my idea for a Power of Bullheadedness.

They were a commander in the Emu War. On the side of the emus.

[restive ridge]

The power of Bullshit

[obsidian dagger]

I think that's Deceivers and/or Rinley

[tall jolt]

Noble of Incorrigibility?

[patent tiger]

Has a habit of collecting Strategists. Their insistence that the world is abhorrent and wrong can be weaponized to foster their Estate and claim control over more of the world as a whole

[magic mason]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8YQV1qD-_Uw
awakening type song

[restive ridge]

Awakening type song
look inside
Sleep-walking

[frank light]

premonition of doom for one of my players

[restive ridge]

Damn that windchimes voice sounds like a chill dude

[frank light]

the sunrise is so chill

[narrow tartan]

is in another one of Karens games
has not been traumatized
I'm in danger.

[magic mason]

Hedge The Fang I think

[vivid wraith]

very true

[fleet harbor]

I do sometimes dream about cats

[tall jolt]

W-what?

[patent tiger]

It's a legitimate strategy!

[tall jolt]

Ru you have to stop romancing Excrucians

This is an intervention

[patent tiger]

Hey! It's not necessarily romance!

[tall jolt]

uh huh

[obsidian dagger]

Laodemus Schwan is so good.

[tall jolt]

I would be so mad if they didn't bother to reveal things in that way LUL

[frank light]

I hope she does a Peter griffin death pose

[restive ridge]

Role- "Family Guy"

Lord Entropy is just using the Vade Bellum to aura farm if you think about it

[vivid wraith]

That's true

[narrow tartan]

Aur farm?

[restive ridge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/pcGs9crRx5E?si=Kg5iPfrPegM9DpcH

[restive ridge]

This is def a major refinement of Quests compared to Glitch

[vivid wraith]

Hooking them directly into the character archetypes is huge

[restive ridge]

Its so big brained

Also the progress grid and the mood roll questions are way smoother than exp

[vivid wraith]

first time looking at froofs: this is fun
really looking at froofs: hey this is pretty good
really looking at froofs: this may be The Smartest Game

[restive ridge]

So true

God having rats as fill-in NPCs for player archetypes that arent played is genius

[vivid wraith]

if you don't have an obvious scene to play you can just
Rat+PC
it's genius

My first game only had one rat because i didn't get it, but now i Understand

[restive ridge]

This definitely feels like a game thats easy to mess up while GMing yeah

[frank light]

I love your rats

[vivid wraith]

thank yooooou

[vivid wraith]

It gets a lot easier when you learn to use what the book is giving you i think. It's absolutely stuffed full of prompts

But there's still the fundamental "come up with things for players to react to" role, so, you gotta stay fueled up

[restive ridge]

Yeah no thats absolutely true, a lot of the imagined difficulty is stringing up those prompts into a cohesive experience, but the Main Group Storyline Quest is def a big help too

[narrow tartan]

Is Allegorical in froofs. Had an idea for a character. Middle/old woman who had been friends with a previous group of protagonists.

[restive ridge]

You are gonna love the Old Timer
(Yes)

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[vivid wraith]

yeah group storyline is huge

And smaller-scale: a neighborhood as a specific unit of Things That Might Happen To Everyone is helpful too

[frank light]

I love group storyline

[vivid wraith]

lol

[frank light]

Yea

[magic mason]

https://tenor.com/view/eels-made-me-pizza-gif-13314825796222314669

Keeper of gardens

[restive ridge]

https://youtu.be/nYwExzxi1xU?si=m5-GAKibNcQnd-nM

Typhon theme song

(I think)

(Jenna probaly didnt mean to make it gyaru coded but she is to me)

[frank light]

holy shit

[vivid wraith]

Clickbait Solovyov

[restive ridge]

Sorry

[vivid wraith]

it's great

[obsidian dagger]

Typhon is supposed to be coded I think?

[frank light]

For sure

I’m a big typhon liker

[obsidian dagger]

...I suddenly really like the idea of a School teacher who represents "the awareness of evil". Every teacher is supposed to be evil at least metaphysically, but having one who is the awareness of evil... without them, without the concept they represent, the world might seem more pleasant, but it would be due to blissful ignorance and not as real.

[obsidian dagger]

...okay what arc has the hero tempted to abandon all the danger and retreat to safety, only for them to refuse because they still need to help more people?

[vivid wraith]

training?

er, gold

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah, probably. I'm reading Radiant (it is Peak) and trying to pin down the protagonist because I really don't know. He has enough weird social obligations that gold's feasible, plus probably Wounded Angel, plus maybe Called Away?

[restive ridge]

The Name of Strigoi is…
…”That Which Is Experienced as Betrayal”, generally understood to mean Legacy

Strigoi is Drawn To…
…Prolonged Rest, Incompetence, Self-Doubt, Dark and Moldy Places, Riches

The Weapons of Strigoi are…
…Wolfs, Bats, the Moons light, tabloids and newspapers, its spreading curse, their unearthly beauty

The Heralds of Strigoi are…
…a choking mist, ex-nihilo rumors, the unquenching red thirst, its family

You turn Strigoi aside by(or with)...
…bundles of garlic, being surronded by geniune friends, staying in a hallowed place, crossing over running water

Strigoi kills you by…
…tearing you apart with claw and teeth, leaving you a bloodless corpse, making you part of its family, isolating you from friends,

Strigoi hungers for…
…Your love, for you to succeed, blood and flesh, a warm and pleasant home for its family

You may kill Strigoi by…
…Betraying it, while it’s curse is almost done making you family; Starving it, then exposing it to the suns radiance; Putting your faith in a higher power; Trusting others.

Strigoi is Reborn When…
… When one of the restless death wish to preserve their name and deeds forevermore

To Escape the Attention of Strigoi…
…Make a geniune sacrifice for it, while it’s curse is targeting someone else; Offer it your flesh and blood; Allow it to occupy your heart and home for now; Offer proof of your superiority over lessers; Slay your potential

Thinking of something

[vivid wraith]

yes

YES

[reef perch]

ooooh sick

[restive ridge]

(This guy uses the Game Lord powerset with a focus on Monstrous)

[restive ridge]

Something Im debating on including in the full write up is ||that well Familly is an obvious Name for this Mystery, but there's this sort of rat cultural inertia to not give such a horrid monster the name of Familly, because how could family ever be a bad thing?||

[obsidian dagger]

honestly, that's interesting

[tall jolt]

Corporations

[restive ridge]

Communication 4
Physical Action 3
Awareness 2
Self-Care 1
Introspection 0

Superior Vampire 2
Magical Skill: Hardblood Arts 3
Superior Gentleman 1
CV+1


Standard edges: fangs and claw, mist form, my blood constructs are of the finest quality, disposable servants```

[vivid wraith]

ooooooooh

[restive ridge]

Hammering at it slowly

[restive ridge]

God thats one of my fav Indomitable powers

I should give Strigoi this for its fucked up bloodbending weapon shit

[vivid wraith]

Yes

[narrow tartan]

I really need to read so many things

[fresh dust]

Hey what edition of nobilis should I start with?

[vivid wraith]

3e

3e reworks some lore from 2e to be more compelling and adds Persona miracles which feel absolutely essential to the game imo

[patent tiger]

Persona is unparalleled, yeah

You gotta have Persona

[vivid wraith]

the titles are weird but it's this one
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/89003/nobilis-the-essentials-volume-1

[fresh dust]

Gotcha

Also do we know anything about Jenna Moran or are they just like some elusive digicryptid that makes a random RPG module once every speta-planetary szygyzy and then disappears back into the luminiferous ether from whence they came?

[candid compass]

She's a poster

[patent tiger]

She’s got a tumblr

[vivid wraith]

she's on tumblr
hangs out on the Glitch discord server

i think she might have been on cohost but never posted so I'm not sure

[ruby ivy]

she ran a con game at Big Bad Con last year (I did not get into it tho)

[narrow tartan]

Heh

[fleet harbor]

She used to be active on the RPG.net forums

[restive ridge]

She's one of tumblrs best Posters™️

[narrow tartan]

I really want to know more details

[restive ridge]

Is Unicorn aura farming or is it all just natural rizz?

[magic mason]

Natural Rizz I think

Because holy

[magic mason]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vej2mhOMmlcYZhupRetECQK6NEl97nCBCSlOueJdrvA/edit

fulcrum and all its examples are now done

Note that this one is a little… mechanically silly, because one of the core mechanical ideas was “blessing but instead of tools, they are custom magical skills”

[restive ridge]

Oooh

[frank light]

Fluffy did a lot of good work

[candid compass]

Fulcrum is pretty good

if you ever wanted to be the big lore person that invented the power source of the setting

it even lets you leave audio logs lying around

[magic mason]

Notable characters with Fulcrum

• Laurence Bloodborne
• CEOs in Pmoon games
• Brigid Tenenbaum bioshock

[frank light]

Jennifer magnus could’ve been a titular fulcrum character if we didn’t go in a funny direction.

I’m happy with her current direction and I vastly prefer it with the current story structure but it would’ve worked well

[restive ridge]

Far Roofs 2e rumored to reveal that the System using mastermind behind Hoop the Snake is actually Jenna Moran

[vivid wraith]

That's real life

[strange raptor]

God, Fulcrum's a conceptual delight

love the audio log miracle

[magic mason]

Awww thank you

[restive ridge]

Glitch oneshot about collectively helping your Wildlord friend playtest their newest TTRPG system: Nobilis 3e.

[vivid wraith]

bigbrain

[restive ridge]

Weight of the World rocks

[magic mason]

Thank you!

[narrow tartan]

I wish I had WBH

Just go around getting rid of stuff i dont like

...Strategist who left the valde bellum because they stopped caring bout the big picture

Got into too many twitter arguments

[vivid wraith]

flore ending

[narrow tartan]

...maybe. more like.
Dying of algorithms.
Goes to local library and WBHs books that they have heard are bad

[restive ridge]

This image flashed into my mind

[narrow tartan]

The fact that Glitch was the first jenna game I read affects me. Goes around fantasizing about using Destruction miracles on ztuss

[narrow tartan]

-unstitching/things
-weird video editing reality
-wonderful lifing people (with greater destruction)
-"acid rain" glitch from Pokemon Ruby and Saphire.
-Use own blood as vector of death curses
-reveal something as rotten

-transmuting stuff the strategist can feel to slush

[restive ridge]

Thinking about that "playing No Room for a Wallflower in Far Roofs" Stepnix gave me and laughing that mech combats would just be occasional poker hand muddles

[vivid wraith]

lol
you could use the dramatic conflict rules!
but some of them really would want to be muddles yeah

[restive ridge]

Yoy could

Honestly I would for some

But most of them do just work as muddles

[narrow tartan]

What is Rinley like?

[frank light]

Little mischievous child dealing with complicated family stuff

[restive ridge]

Gamer coded

[frank light]

This is true

[restive ridge]

Kinda of a bitch

(I havent gotten to the characters in Chuubo Im making this up)

Stole an ice cream from the sun

[frank light]

Damn

[narrow tartan]

nodnodmakes sense

[magic mason]

Nonbinary, I think

Also very much a Creature Of Fable

[frank light]

Rinley has many optional genders

Though I believe people headcanon them as non binary since all of their gender options have the name Rinley

[obsidian dagger]

That, and they were nonbinary in the currently-nonexistent Horizon campaign.

Every character has an "alt-gender" alternate version, and Rinley's is still named Rinley, though.

[vivid wraith]

bigender rinley vs agender rinley battle for supremacy in Into the Rinleyverse

[narrow tartan]

"Punching Deceivername in the face..."

[fleet harbor]

"... never seems to work out in anyone's best interests"

[vivid wraith]

"...feels really good"

(this is used as an Emulation to enforce smugness)

[vivid wraith]

getting called to the roofs

(comic is Buttersafe)

[restive ridge]

So true

[restive ridge]

Powers:
Cautionionary Tale, Tribulation, Keen Smell, The Magician’s Forge, Strong
Awaken Self, Declare, Entice, Between the Boundaries
Elation, Regretful Warning
Strange, Foreign Treasures; A World of Endless Wonders
*Possibly* Minions

Thinking about the Mystery more... I think their Prophet and Tribulation powers end up overlapping....
Also 12 is the standard amount of Mystery powers beside the stat boost ones right? Or did I make that up

[vivid wraith]

uhhhh i haven't tracked a stat boost/power split

but i counted them getting up to 24 total powers (including stat boosts)

[magic mason]

18-24

According to Jenna the goal was that end game players and mysteries are comparable in power level/nature

[restive ridge]

Huh fascinating

Thank you

[restive ridge]

Deciding I'm not gonna give it Minion, I wanted it to be for the lesser vampires but actually having them be created by Strange-Foreign Treasures, to be somethings from its Realm vibes more

[vivid wraith]

ooooh yeah
That's good

[restive ridge]

Probaly gonna pair it with an aesthetic- not just other pale-skinned bloodsuckers but like clockwork automatons made with blood magic?

[vivid wraith]

excellent

freaky blood magic clockwork is strong

[restive ridge]

Strange Foreign Treasures
8+,◇- This is the power Strigoi uses to bring forth it's clockwork-and-blood automatons from it's Mansion into the outside. They appear the next chapter after this power is used and they must return after the current story ends. With an extra cost of ◇ Strigoi may bring several of its servant into the outside, this is it's preffered variant. It will usually not use the 8+ variant of this power, preffering the Magician's Forge.

A World of Endless Powers ◇- As per the 8+ variant of Strange, Foreign Treasures, Strigoi enchants  and summons one of it's servants to leave it's Mansion with the power to help shape it's current target into their problem role or solve one of their "problems". These servanta usually act as tutors, sudden-new-best-friends, butlers or troublemakers for Strigoi's target.```

[narrow tartan]

Warmains are hard to write

[restive ridge]

nodnod

[magic mason]

What would be the funniest place for Scelto to just… show up in Chuubo’s

[frank light]

Having read Jupiter callisto’s bleak academy work I have gotten a much better understanding of warmains, even if it’s translated through the lens of academia and grad students

I get it now

[restive ridge]

Hmmmmm

Ok there are a lot of good options

Imma vote for "end of a Golden Arc, revealing himself to have posessed your arch-rival from the start"

[magic mason]

The Name Of Chimera is...
Usually written as "Vibrant", though some call it Legacy or Suffocation. 

The Heralds Of Chimera Are...
Gurgling, Choking and Gasping, Reds and Yellows and Blues staining the world, Grief hitting you out of nowhere  

The Weapons Of The Chimera Are...
Twisted Monsters cobbled together from several animals, its sugar rotten teeth, its pitiful disposition. 

You can turn the Chimera Aside by... 
Staying focused on what matters to you, cleaning up its messes, and not letting it get to you. 

Chimera Kills You By...
Making you part of it, Suffocating you, Watching with a pained look in its eyes as you are torn apart. 

Chimera Is Drawn To...
Monsters, The Cruel and Kind 

Chimera Hungers To...
Be Remembered, See Itself For What It Really Is

You may kill Chimera by...
Reminding it that it that the real chimera died a long time ago, singing it a lullaby, destroying every one of its bodies.

The Chimera Is Reborn When...
People forget about it, someone makes a mistake they can't take back

The intention is that Chimera which is named Vibrant is like... an Actual Actual, modeled as the "legacy" of the original Chimera

[magic mason]

For context for those who don't know
The reason for the Suffocation Subtheme is that in the original myth Chimera was immune to mortal weapons so to kill it Perseus put a lead orb at the end of his sphere and stuck it in the Chimera's mouth when it tried to use its fire breath, causing the lead to melt

[obsidian dagger]

...what arc would be most likely to be able to send someone a text message from a landline phone out of sheer ignorance and/or the stubborn belief that they ought to be able to? ...probably Creature of Fable.

Creature of Fable isn't stubborn about it, though, probably? They can just do it.

[frank light]

Probably a handful, if you’re just relying on arc abilities

I think theoretically become Somebody

Creature of fable is another good example

Chosen One if you count metaphorical magic

…oh lol gatekeeper can learn how to do that

Gatekeeper can learn how to do a lot of impossible things

Allegory but only sometimes and it’s Unreal I think

[obsidian dagger]

Become Somebody is actually a really good answer. It makes sense being Orange, just by refusing to live in the world everybody else occupies where that's impossible, and also Become Somebody has tools to facilitate communication in particular.

[frank light]

Yup

[narrow tartan]

Hack: transferable skills

[narrow tartan]

...well now we know what the Glitch is

[obsidian dagger]

oh no, a mood

[fleet harbor]

I can't believe you took these perfectly good fundamental laws of existence and made them think, Cneph, wtf

[candid compass]

Currently in our Glitch game
Inviting your Noble friend to an opera not-a-date, which you then proceed to do a Strategy over to ensure everything goes perfectly
Make matching fancy outfits for both, and then maybe write/rewrite the play performed real quick while you have time, just to make sure everything is just right
Enter opera all excited, then immediately get Infection triggered and have a bad time
Use a Greater Steel to hide that you're having a bad time, but then also be unable to actually focus on anything that's happening
Flee up to the roof and collapse in despair, spiralling really bad

Is this normal for Excrucian social outings?

[patent tiger]

It has been amazing to see Oseric trying to have a good time in action

[narrow tartan]

Was the opera good?

[candid compass]

I took more Wear from this scene than actually infiltrating an area guarded by Nobles and confronting an Imperator

[candid compass]

He modified it to be something Al would like, so presumably

But he couldn't tell, because he did not have the mental capacity to actually focus on or remember anything of what happened after they got to their seating

Too focused on entertaining his friend, and also hiding that he is physically ill and wants to tear this place to shreds for daring to be so oppressive and judgmental

[narrow tartan]

nodnod

[candid compass]

Specifically what triggered his Infection was the assorted audience members being snobby and judgmental over how the two of them didn't fit the 'normal' dresscode

[restive ridge]

Being Oseric is suffering

[patent tiger]

At least he got a date

[narrow tartan]

Harmony moment

[frank light]

The opera was good

[narrow tartan]

🎉

[gloomy oasis]

It's normal for me, and I'm not even an Excrucian.

[obsidian dagger]

Just remembered Kamichu and how very Chuubo’s it is… what color do you think it is? If I remember it correctly, I think it was at least in part Orange arcs about becoming a god.

Which is a little weird, since that’s usually Green, but I think the social position of “shrine god” is what’s being focused on here over the actual inherent divinity.

[restive ridge]

I'm not even an Excrucian
You never know until you get tested

[vivid wraith]

new Chuubo's hack!
still requires the base game (mostly because it's missing XP actions and Quests) but very cool imo

https://xavid.itch.io/wish-awry

[restive ridge]

👀

[candid compass]

I have now proceeded to bring us back into the forest, to their usual meeting spot
and am putting on a private performance using my still maintained Greater Costumery

[vivid wraith]

it's set up to allow froofs-style power picking instead of the miracle ladder thing

and has a BoB token economy

[frank light]

Ooooo

[narrow tartan]

Oh. Other day I read CotL in BoGH. I think that version, compared to what I read on Tumblr, is a little more toxic?

[magic mason]

Oh?

I suppose they are full of Vice

[frank light]

True but Vice isn’t necessarily toxicity!

Though yeah it more explicitly lets you indulge in a divine warrant

[narrow tartan]

Mostly the divine warrant felt more clearly written as, "this is kind of a bad thing" and the theme of mentally pushing people around was a bit more fleshed out.

Its been a while since i read the original

Not original. Tunblr version

[candid compass]

Holy is inherently somewhat manipulative, because all Red arcs are

[vivid wraith]

what's Saber's divine warrant......

[candid compass]

it comes with their ability to quite literally control the narrative

[restive ridge]

Being a deadbeat dad

[candid compass]

I'm unsure, because Saber constantly beats herself up for any perceived failure

[vivid wraith]

yeah

[frank light]

All red arcs are a tiny bit manipulative yeah

They all fuck with emotions and how important something feels

Melodramatic stuff is in general about how people react to stuff really

[vivid wraith]

Saber has divine warrant for Saberface

[restive ridge]

Hmmm

I accept

[narrow tartan]

12-3-3+1-3. 4 CP to build a god murdering fortress gift. Then never using it

[narrow tartan]

draws on self for Strategist character moments
If I put the dirty plate in the microwave the ants cant find it!

[narrow tartan]

Excrucians other than the main four types might not have eyes of night and falling stars

[magic mason]

Conneticut Clark is pique Glitch, and to a lesser extent Jennagames in general

not Clark himself

the Witch

[vivid wraith]

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[restive ridge]

So true

[restive ridge]

The Witch is imo an Immersion ending book

[vivid wraith]

Immersion ending book (marriage)

[obsidian dagger]

I managed to nerdsnipe myself into something which approximately nobody will care about, which is wondering if the Corruption and/or Crimson in Terraria (but specifically in the Calamity mod lore), which are evil contageous spreading biomes made out of the decomposing corpses of gods, are closer to Mimics or Actuals. Probably Actuals.

Yeah, definitely Actuals, since they weren't intentionally made; it's just that the person that killed the gods in question didn't know how to properly dispose of their corpses.

what kind of fly lives in the corpse of a day?

[restive ridge]

They dont feel like Actuals OR Mimics imo

They feel like bad but natural parts of the world.
The Hallow is definitely just a Rulers Garden

[obsidian dagger]

In vanilla lore in particular the Corruption is kind of made out of humanity's evil, and... might be a True God? Or the Eater of Worlds is a True God whose Child of the Ash notionally ties them to the corruption.

The fact that they infect and convert both life forms and the very earth is what makes them feel like Actuals.

...Eater of Worlds has Shed Scales to modulate number. That's how it does its "splitting into segments" thing; it's indeterminate whether it's one big worm or a bunch of little worms.

[narrow tartan]

Oh thats fun

[frank light]

Chuubos

[restive ridge]

Amazing

[frank light]

Yeah

[candid compass]

that's Nobilis currencies yeah

[fleet harbor]

I'll trade you your most precious childhood memories for this goat

[frank light]

deal

[candid compass]

conclusion of the not-a-date
left the second act of the play for another time, since Oseric was feeling a little exhausted
managed to thoroughly fluster Al, especially when he asked her to dance
they shared a nice slow waltz together as the scene fades out
Al is annoyed at how smooth Oseric gets to be with his Eide

[frank light]

lmaoooo

[fleet harbor]

Power: annoyed at Eide
Power: has Aspect XD

[candid compass]

Al's Aspect isn't that high I think, she seems more like a Persona and Domain maxer

[fleet harbor]

Ability 0 w/ high Aspect will be funny in 4e

[candid compass]

Flair still makes you pretty capable

[fleet harbor]

“I am going to get a good grade in having a body, a thing that is both normal to want and possible to achieve”

Yeah I mostly feel like the characterization would be humorous

[candid compass]

Oh for sure

[fleet harbor]

Also might lead to some hubris situations

[patent tiger]

Al is Domain/Persona, Laife is Domain/Aspect

Jessie is kind of a centrist build tbh

[fleet harbor]

Centrists in Glitch

[patent tiger]

(I don't make flore build Noble npcs because I have respect for the rule of law and the sanctity of the war)

[fleet harbor]

SMH my head

[patent tiger]

Yeah

Jessie is a character you should shake your head at

[fleet harbor]

I only make Flore build Noble PCs

I never start out intending to

[patent tiger]

For Noble PCs, Treasure is kind of the only way to get planning miracles

So I understand the appeal of treason

[fleet harbor]

But it always happens

I think I just have a hard time making a god that doesn’t have a cool panoply

[candid compass]

I'm also pretty sure I have a much higher Flore than basically all the Noble NPCs in our game

Which is pretty funny

[patent tiger]

Oseric has a much higher flore than almost anyone

This man is literally dancing with the abhorrent nature of creation

[candid compass]

Yeah and it's hilarious

[patent tiger]

It is very funny

[fleet harbor]

Flore 7?

[candid compass]

"Yeah I just ask the world, and it obeys. What do you mean that's not how it works?"

[candid compass]

Yes

[fleet harbor]

Yisssss

[candid compass]

So far, being able to just Design on a whim has to be my favourite Flore 7 perk

Along with Greater Guidance for free, since that means I can do a miraculous action of level 7 for no cost with my treasures

[candid compass]

I've been doing so much crafting and building

[magic mason]

The Artificer

[narrow tartan]

I think funniest. Fan splar I saw. Tended to be mortal people somehow related to Imperators. And just sometimes they get miraculous powers. And when they do they dont always notice

[candid compass]

I even took a wound about reminding void denizens of Cneph a little much

[narrow tartan]

Prophet, Holy, Visage, Style

[candid compass]

Which, considering Oseric is currently trying to synthesise a third state of being neither quite Not or Is, is probably a little warranted

[frank light]

freak behavior

[fleet harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115791099840184431/1336111894871674941/IMG_7994.png?ex=67a29eab&is=67a14d2b&hm=86b8a45508daca3877dd8cef01d677c026fb66d9f1617de6a0953fc138a91517&

I can't believe I was tricked into joining the yuri mafia

[candid compass]

that's the bit that makes it too gay? 😛

[magic mason]

tricked you say?

[fleet harbor]

Tricked!

Fooled!

[patent tiger]

The classic scam

Oldest trick in the book

[fleet harbor]

This is literally the plot of Carmilla

Tricked into joining the yuri mafia by a vampire

[patent tiger]

Carmilla is actually about a scam though

I'm still so tilted that the only thing I ever heard about it was that it's the gay one

I went and actually read it and it has a really clever con job in it, that works entirely with the schtick of being a vampire

More people should talk about that!

It's a great source for swindle ideas!

[frank light]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN TRICKED

YOU DID THIS OF YOUR OWN VOLITION

[vivid wraith]

poor gk
entranced, ensnared

[restive ridge]

You were a part of the yuri mafia since the day you were born

[patent tiger]

Shipper sleeper agent...

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. WBH. Which Miraculous Attributes should be able to build it. At the very least, Domain, Adept, and Wyrd.

[magic mason]

Flore could build it as a ignition maybe? Though that is a bit of a stretch

[frank light]

flore has difficulty building a wbh

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Noble of Adjacency Bonuses

[restive ridge]

Simply treasure your local friendly neighborhood nuclear arsenal and reveal their power of true obliteration

[vivid wraith]

blort

[obsidian dagger]

...that feels very Fallen Angel.

[restive ridge]

No, it's average Noble behaviour

[narrow tartan]

The King of Lost Toys is a fallen angel

[magic mason]

That tracks

That is a fallen Angel ass title

At least

[narrow tartan]

I mean. King of Misfit Toys

From Rudolph

[vivid wraith]

yeah that's real

island of misfit toys gives a home to the lost and forgotten

[fleet harbor]

Excruciate is a verb now

[obsidian dagger]

it was always a verb I'm pretty sure.

[vestal mist]

Also an adjective

[narrow tartan]

Angel using Divine Warrant to be less judgy

[vivid wraith]

nooooooo

[restive ridge]

Impossible

[narrow tartan]

(the secret is that it frames not being judgemental as inherently wicked)
(my original thought was santa accepting Rudolph and Hermey the elf dentist into the North Pole)

[fleet harbor]

Today in Nobilis: Robin decides to kidnap Mammon, Fallen of Hunger, Desire, and Gold, and bring him to work for an ancient, ghostly, funereal services company owner

[frank light]

LMAO

[restive ridge]

What is she cooking

[fleet harbor]

Thought that arose elsewhere:

[vivid wraith]

ohoho

[frank light]

I love that

[narrow tartan]

Look a mimic

(spoiler bug)

[fleet harbor]

Update: we are stuffing Mammon in a duffel bag

[fleet harbor]

lol

[strange raptor]

lmaoooooooo

that is kind of what y'all did

can't believe robin turned traitor-traitor so fast smh

it's okay, there's always still hope for re-corruption

[fleet harbor]

At some point you're going to figure out what "blasphemy" means in this context and I hope you flip out :P

[obsidian dagger]

So. I am seriously thinking about running a Glass-Maker's Dragon campaign. It'd probably be PBP, and I know I floated ideas about this before, but now I'm actually beginning to start to think about really seriously doing it... so... who here is interested? I floated the offer in another server (since the topic came up there) and thus far 2 other people have expressed interest, so I'd probably handle a few more players (plus any number of spectators); I'm not strictly counting slots but I suspect having more than 4-5 players total will get to be a bit overwhelming even within a PBP context?

[restive ridge]

I would be interested in getting the chance to actually play Chuubo's

[obsidian dagger]

I will make a pbp server and invite you to it... sometime tomorrow so people can start picking who they want to play, although entrances are certainly not closing yet.

[fleet harbor]

I like Chuubo's a lot

I ... would probably have to consider whether I have the psychic energy to handle being in yet another game

[vestal mist]

Oooooh

I'm.... tempted

Haven't seen Chuubo's or G-MD, but read enough Jenna to be very interested

[fleet harbor]

Chuubo's has a lot of mechanics for creating specific types of narrative

[vestal mist]

May I ask what this specific type of narrative is?

[fleet harbor]

To some degree it depends, there's something called an XP Action which is sorta your character declaring a moment is narratively significant

And the scope of available XP Actions is normally dependent on the game's stated genre

[vestal mist]

And what vibe is Glass maker's?

[fleet harbor]

Ah, okay, so, Chuubo's is often played with pregens

Characters with a defined relationship to the narrative

GMD is a story centering around a friend group containing a bunch of the game's iconic characters, including the titular Chuubo, the Wish Granting Boy

... I think I'm making this unnecessarily complicated

CMWGE is by default a Nobilis/Glitch high school AU/sequel :D

[vestal mist]

Those are certainly words

Sorry, I've read the first 40(?) pages of Froofs, and that's about it

[fleet harbor]

Ah okay

Hm

Chuubo's Marvelous Wish Granting Engine is a diceless game typically set after the end of the universe happened, to the particular satisfaction of nobody, and is usually set in Town, an idyllic magical lakeside town where the old conflicts that destroyed reality before simmer vaguely under the surface. Glass-Maker's Dragon follows a particular group of miraculous youths, a number of whom have strong ties to foundational questions of why the setting is what it is (although mostly they don't really know about it). Among them is Chuubo, the Wish-Granting Boy, a chronically ordinary young man who created a Marvellous Wish-Granting Engine, and who can also sometimes turn into a giant snake (although why he would is unclear, this never helps).

[vestal mist]

Ok, sold

(if there's room)

[fleet harbor]

The mechanics stress the replication of genre tropes and the movement of the narrative spotlight between players, seeking to feed into a table experience where varying competencies as a roleplayer are less of an issue because roleplay actions relate to a foundation in the rules.

[vestal mist]

I see

[fleet harbor]

At least that's my take

I've been playing in a campaign which, rather than the normal setting, is a sequel to the horror podcast series The Magnus Archives, and I've found the game very much to my liking

[vestal mist]

I do like the quasi-Adamish tone taken by the default setting

[fleet harbor]

Like from Good Omens?

[vestal mist]

Douglas

[fleet harbor]

Ohhhh

Yeah, that's a solid reference point

Far Roofs technically takes place in an extended part of the Chuubo's world, aiui

Like, the rats are around in Town

[vestal mist]

Ah, cool

Like, as normal citizens, or as Roof dwellers?

[fleet harbor]

Bit of both, primarily Roof dwellers

This is an area of the setting I know less about

[frank light]

HI I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS

[narrow tartan]

Im sorr of interested

[narrow tartan]

In this

At least spectatong

[fleet harbor]

But yes @obsidian dagger I have some interest

[narrow tartan]

Suggested spectating becHse scary

[ruby ivy]

I'm in a similar spot- I'd love to, but I just added a new game to my schedule and I'm not sure I can add a second

[magic mason]

I've been making the quests for one of my far roofs homebrew characters and I forgot how fun this is
Named it

The Trouble The Fledgling Keeps Getting Into

They are a bindings arc charecter, but with the bindings being played them being a moxie filled YA novel protagonist who keeps coming up with Dumbass Schemes to deal with problems and getting into flings with random morally dubious characters

[frank light]

People are always asking me "are those real" "wait you can see out of all those eyes?" "Can you use those wings to fly" "wait are you an angel?" "Why are you a barista" "Why can't you just commute from heaven"

It's hard!!!

I mean like, sure okay, they're very valid questions, and I have no room to judge because like, most people don't see angels very often. But it can be hard to answer them!

I get self conscious about the eyes thing, and the wings thing. You know how many comments I get every day about being 'biblically accurate'? I didn't know I was supposed to get a good grade in portraying mythos from the bible! And that's not even true! I don't look like the ones in there! 

They haven't read a bible I think. I think they just say that about anything with lots of wings and limbs. It feels a bit weird, I don't like getting called 'biblically accurate'


And then people seem to get all judgy when I say I do this for money. And they get even weirder when I say it's because being an angel isn't a paid job. They act like I'm getting mistreated by heaven or something which is like- no!!! I came here on my own!!! I can't just commute to heaven and earth, it's far away!!!! Bringing virtue to earth is like, a volunteering thing! And apartments require money.

I don't want to float in a single point in the sky all day, even if I *could* do that. I want a comfy bed and hot water!

*sigh*

technically possibly chuubos/nobilis

[tall jolt]

Is anyone running any games I can join right now?

[vivid wraith]

maybe

[obsidian dagger]

Maybe yes but slots are filling fast. I’ll pitch you a server invite though.

[frank light]

Step’s great

[vivid wraith]

oh i was saying "maybe" to Charos
I don't think i can take another PBP rn but I'm excited to hear Banana doing more stuff

[frank light]

oh

you may have replied to banana- oh i see!

[obsidian dagger]

…I think slots are officially full now.

[vivid wraith]

wooooooo

[frank light]

yay

[restive ridge]

Yipee

[vestal mist]

Gaaaah, missed out because asleep

[tall jolt]

😭

[ruby ivy]

hell yeah, congrats!

[vivid wraith]

About a week left in the froofs jam btw

https://itch.io/jam/rooftop-library-jam

[narrow tartan]

runs around I forgot

Playable angels... They become stranger as they take on cost.

[obsidian dagger]

I love how sometimes you can reread a rulebook you've read a zillion times and randomly encounter something absolutely wild.

[vivid wraith]

yep

that wacky entropy ii
always trying to help kids grow up big and strong and deciduous

[obsidian dagger]

note that another posibility is skepticism over the whole "wish-granting engine" idea, which is funny in a different way. But... I didn't even know Entropy II was in the tree-of-worlds-planting business to begin with! (Some of the Sins are, I know, but they tend to do their own thing.)

[frank light]

Normal

[frank light]

It’s part of his fathers legacy

[magic mason]

Found the perfect art for chimera which is named vibrant

Cw for 18th century body horror

shoutout louis jean desprez you would have been an amazing creature designer if that was like, a job in your era

[fleet harbor]

It's probably a bad sign that I read this word and thought to myself, "this is normal for girls"

[restive ridge]

Mark of belonging to the yuri mafia

[restive ridge]

Uuughhh

Probaly not finishing Strigoi by then

[vivid wraith]

all good!

[restive ridge]

having fun with Strigoi again

[restive ridge]

I think its gonna murder me to do so but I think I can publish a barebones Strigoi today

[vivid wraith]

Don't push yourself too hard
i did do the same thing with the text file version of Heart-Eater tho

[restive ridge]

Or I might have accidentally done all my work on odt instead of pdf lmao

[patent tiger]

There should be a way to export OpenOffice documents as pdfs

[fleet harbor]

@restive ridge uh, hopefully not an awkward question, but do you have any thoughts/notes on the notion of Sad Romanian Vampire Natalia?

[restive ridge]

Gonna be honest my brain doesnt have enough bandwitdth to remember what Chuubo vampire is exactly that one

[fleet harbor]

Natalia is the Ace/Prodigy, usually a Russian non-vampire

She has a French vampire version

I thought I’d sort of mix them

[restive ridge]

Ooooh yeah yeah its clicking now

that goes hard go for it

[fleet harbor]

I seem to remember you’re from around that region and I was wondering if you can think of anything I should bear in mind. Sorry if that’s an odd/awkward ask.

[restive ridge]

Oh no it isnt akward at all. Hmmm, nk I dont think you are gonna run into any major issues no.

In other news, Im actually technically done if not for technical issues

[vivid wraith]

!!!!!

[restive ridge]

https://irlmorgana.itch.io/strigoi

It's here!

[vivid wraith]

WOOOOO

[restive ridge]

I really like the art I managed to nab for the thumbnail

Strigoi is very much a "toxic, sinister love" kind of Mystery and the art reflects that

[frank light]

Oooo

[obsidian dagger]

...Reality Syndrome makes so much more sense as Sickly Gold. I'm even understanding how the Experience works into that a bit better reading over the Book of Golden Hours writeup and understanding that the experience stuff usually involves enhancing an intention.

[frank light]

yeah

yeah

[obsidian dagger]

It's Sickly Gold. It's not just about doing things "around" the standard Intention system; it's also about making Intentions that make sense in your own personal experience of the world, and enforcing that elsewhere.

I have also just remembered my idea for a chthonic disguise perk suitable for Robbie Rotten, Team Rocket, and the fae.

(It's Chthonic because it's tied directly to a mundane intention, and can be defeated by defeating that mundane intention with another mundane intention.)

The basic idea is that you spend MP as you make an Intention. This is almost never an intention to be disguised, and is instead an intention describing what you're trying to do while disguised. You also don't get to pick a specific person to disguise yourself as — the HG can choose to disguise you as a specific named individual if doing so is fitting, but you don't have any control over this. Instead, you pick a general role like "janitor", "chef", or "visiting royalty", and fall smoothly into that general identity.

[frank light]

It’s very good for sickly gold

[obsidian dagger]

The power comes with some specific weakness, which I think I narrowed down to one of the following:

• A specific person or group of people can see through your disguises effortlessly (children, animals, whoever you're currently hunting)
• There's one specific thing which the disguise will not cover up (a tattoo, your emotional reaction to tasting pickles, your signature catchphrase)
• There's some specific way of looking at you which anyone, or almost anyone, can do in order to puncture your disguise (through a hollowed-out stone, in a reflection, in the infrared spectrum)
  But! There is an inherent Obstacle to revealing you in any way which does not directly draw upon that weakness. This applies to any attempt for anyone to even be suspicious of you, or for anyone who knows who you are to convince someone else of that fact without ie. tricking you into eating pickles in front of them.

Because it's tied to an Intention, it only lasts as long as that Intention does. If the intention succeeds, you can either:

• Spend a bit more MP to immediately make another intention and preserve the disguise
• Dramatically whip off your disguise, revealing your identity
• Duck into a nearby closet or alleyway just in time, pulling off your disguise with none the wiser.
  If, however, your intention is defeated in a contest, or you're forced to abandon it, your disguise will fall off at the worst possible moment, revealing the entire ruse to everybody nearby.

I almost wonder if the specific weakness thing should be streamlined to always be about a single group, and even if the group is able to see because they carry around mirrors, somehow they'll have trouble convincing anyone else to look at the mirror and see your reflection.

[vivid wraith]

oooooh

[obsidian dagger]

This is also sort of intended for Count Olaf. Which makes me wonder if the "specific weakness" in the power also shouldn't exist, per se, and it's just that certain groups are good at seeing through your disguises because of their idiom. But, as mentioned, that inherent obstacle will still apply to them attempting to convince a third party of your true identity.

Because that whole "a few people can reliably see through it" thing is mostly just Count Olaf, and the other example villains who routinely whip up disguises tend to get away with it. Somehow.

[obsidian dagger]

...most of this is just handled already by Become Somebody.

Like. There's some substantial differences? But most of the things I'm envisioning being able to do with this are totally just doable with Adaptable.

[obsidian dagger]

I just had... a cursed thought.

Manic Pixie Dream Girl Angel of Fortitude.

[vivid wraith]

Does anything change

[obsidian dagger]

less elegance, mostly.

MPDGs are more... well, manic. They're frentic. They clearly emote needing help, sometimes. Mysterious mentor figures of the type the Angel of Fortitude defaults to tend to be more put-together, at least at first blush.

but, I mean, that's certainly a way to handle a mysterious mentor figure. Just look at FLCL.

...also a 60% increase in the liklihood of doing the akira slide.

...which would, in retrospect, actually have really cool vfx with the Change-Blood.

this idea has gone from "cursed" to "blursed" in my mind now.

[obsidian dagger]

Also, upon further reading, that "hole in the disguise" thing? Creature of Delirium gets that based on Complex.

[obsidian dagger]

The Book of Golden Hours Creature of Delirium rewrite really makes it feel as red as it ought to be. Lots of auctorita.

reading Indomitable... yeah they needed Cautionary Tale.

[restive ridge]

Once there was a Rat King and he had three kits of his own: the oldest one, brave and tall, the middle weaker of statue but a brilliant mind, and the youngest one, meek but full of wisdom and a pure heart. He dearly loved all of his sons, and when his fur started to turn white he set them on a quest, to slay some unimportant Mystery, to prove their worth.
 First was the eldest, and he died on the journey, his face stolen by a witch. Second was the middle-brother and he died torn apart by the claws of the Mystery. Last, but not the least was the youngest and he came back home, bloodied and bruised to his father, kneeling in front of him.
“Have you come back victorious?” asked the King, his needle-sword in hand
“No father, but I have tried and I have failed and sacrificed too much to continue.”
The Rat-King understood the wisdom that his son collected on his quest.
“You are my proudest achievement, my kit. And I shall help you reach greater heights.”The King then slit his kit’s throat on the spot.
That King died a few weeks later to his own servants, enraged and griefed at their beloved princess' death, ambushed in his dark laboratory.
Since then, the Mystery named Strigoi haunts the Roofs.

[narrow tartan]

There was a post by Prokopetz about how Pirate Kings and Manic Pixie Dream Girls are fundamentally the same archetype

The fact that my best idea for a mystery is also a fallen Rat King really goes to show that Monarchy is bad

[candid compass]

yeah that one is real

[restive ridge]

Wait let me think on this

[restive ridge]

Yeah no its true

[patent tiger]

That's why the Wind Waker works so well - they made a character who is both

[fleet harbor]

True

Manic Pirate Dream Girl

[obsidian dagger]

Pirates in particular tend to be Allegorical. I'm not entirely certain why this is the case, but it is, especially if their pirate ship can fly.

[vivid wraith]

Expand on this

[restive ridge]

Pirates are Red imo

[obsidian dagger]

They swoop in, with long, well-established legendary backstorie, all symbolic of freedom.

They're frequently red also. But a lot of them have an orange Role as a pirate captain, and a little sniffing around will reveal an Established History for them.

Plus Mechanisms of Transport for the ship itself, of course. And sufficiently faceless crewmates may well be minions from Allegory rather than proper Treasures.

Many of them are also Red, to be fair. Sometimes irrascible Creatures of Fable whose wilderness is the high seas, and sometimes swashbuckling Creatures of the Light. I can't think of any piratical Creatures of Delirium but I suppose it's not impossible, especially if they have a sufficient enough habit of recruiting people into their crew through supernatural means or exorbitant contracts.

...true manic pixie dream girls probably have Impressario. Part of the archetype at its worst is finding some random guy and making it clear (or at least making him think) that she needs and/or wants his help, even as doing so will improve him. And Impressario is totally able to blow into town, pick some random guy, and impress upon him the duty of saving her (until she leaves).

Maybe Reality Syndrome also, if this cycle repeats enough. Manic Pixie Dream Girl Actual is just a bit of a terrifying (if very funny) statement, though.

I might be thinking partially of Ramona Flowers. Who's a slightly atypical example in some ways, and might want Sickly Orange rather than Frantic but I guess I'm not sure.

[restive ridge]

What are the common arcs of ninjas?

[frank light]

Troubled feels like a solid choice

Same with gatecrasher

I could also see ace

Classically ninjas in stories tend to have that martial prowess/good at an absurd number of tasks thing going on

Creature of fable is possible especially if they’re like, almost mythological or iconic

[obsidian dagger]

If it's a setting where you would not expect there to be ninjas except for the One Token Ninja, gatecrasher probably.

[restive ridge]

What Arc are you on when you are betrayed and trapped in the hyperbolic time chamber for 1000 years?

(Sickly Gold)

[obsidian dagger]

Something Gold.

Not necessarily Sickly! "Time spent lost in the dark" is always part of gold arcs.

[fleet harbor]

Ninjas are indomitable

[restive ridge]

Listening and learning.

[fleet harbor]

“Only a ninja can defeat a ninja”

Indomitable

[frank light]

Ninjas are a listed example in gatecrasher

Cus like

Hidden world of ninjas and assassins is like

Pretty classic

[obsidian dagger]

Ninjas are usually gatecrasher but that may not always apply if everyone's a ninja.

Then again, it might.

[frank light]

They even list “yeah yeah this ability also lets two ninjas fight in a mall without anybody noticing”

That’s fair

I’m thinking of ninja characters and like

Telling stories with them

And gatecrasher is good for that

Cus like if you’re giving someone a miraculous arc they’re already a bit special

Not every ninja is gonna have a miraculous arc

[obsidian dagger]

If the entire party is ninjas or it's a ninja campaign it might not be gatecrasher, but if you're the only ninja in the party, definitely gatecrasher. You know the "one incongruous out-of-place foreign ninja" trope? Gatecrasher fits that perfectly.

[frank light]

Mhm

Yea

Indomitable ninjas could work

[obsidian dagger]

What's their curse?

[frank light]

Though that kind of ninja is also like, the kind of ninja people tell stories about

[frank light]

Forsaken life

[obsidian dagger]

Indomitable is more for vampires and fae imo.

[frank light]

It is but like

[obsidian dagger]

Fair.

[frank light]

That can still be a ninja

Also ninja is not a species

[restive ridge]

Living in the shadows doing dirty work

[frank light]

Vampire ninja is fine conceptually

[restive ridge]

Vampires and ninjas are very similar if you think about it

[frank light]

It makes them more of a bogeyman figure

Indomitable inherently gives them that sort of scary monster strength.

If I had to give a curse it would probably be some like, thing they forsook in pursuit of becoming an assassin

Or something broken in their hearts

Maybe they’re even undead

Undead ninja warrior who comes in the night to enact dark vengeance

[restive ridge]

Btw

[fleet harbor]

Can anyone think of a more appropriate ninja skill than Superior Physical Control? No? Vampires are ninjas

[restive ridge]

Gatecrasher

[frank light]

Good lord

Yeah

[obsidian dagger]

True. Sometimes that's Creature of Fable, though, which is also a very scary arc.

[frank light]

Sometimes it is!

Those two often go hand in hand

Lord of game and warmains tend to bear creature of fable and indomitable so

Yeah

[vivid wraith]

white wolf gives rules for katanas for both.....

[frank light]

The two often like eachother

[fleet harbor]

Hm, what is the most Overpowered Cuptivator Protagonist combination of arcs?

Monstrous, Aspect, Hunter

[frank light]

Ace, indomitable, creature of fable, aaaaaand let’s say wounded angel for gooood measure

(They wound themselves for power)

[fleet harbor]

Yes

[frank light]

(That’s their cultivation)

[fleet harbor]

This is good

Wounded Angel is absolutely what I was missing

[restive ridge]

I feel like Reality Syndrome has to be there somewhere too

[frank light]

No no that cultivator actually has game balance

[restive ridge]

Maybeeeeee Called Away too tbh(but I also just like that arc)

[frank light]

I aim to please

Called away is so good

Wait put called away on their rival

Called away and reality syndrome on their cultivator rival

[restive ridge]

Oooh

If they are meant to be like played in Chuubo's yeah no, no RS for them

[frank light]

Called away makes the op cultivator their shadow actually

[fleet harbor]

Look all I’m saying is that Jen’s shadow needs indomitable, ace, and creature of fable in order to maximize the bullshit quotient

[frank light]

And then they have a whole dynamic now

Boom

[frank light]

…

One second lemme go into my notes

I’m not doing ace because the unicorns capitalizing on that but you make a good point

[obsidian dagger]

It's weird that Indomitable mentions being for cultivators (and, y'know, I can kind of see it) but isn't assigned to the Zu at all.

I guess... the Zu are described as cultivators, but narratively their role is closer to Yoda.

[restive ridge]

I dont think Jenna thought that much when she gave that Zu arc assign as a random discord message

[frank light]

Yeah

It’s not like the zu really, officially have much going on

So yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if Jenna didn’t spend too long drafting up the perfect arcs

[obsidian dagger]

They're cultivators, but they're the kind of cultivators which spend most of their time actively cultivating rather than impacting the world. They could — certainly they could! — but you kind of know they won't.

They're wise sages on mountains and/or mountain-shaped burger joint roofs.

[fleet harbor]

So I think the Zu are notionally magic anime martial artists, but when Jenna says indomitable is good for cultivators she’s talking about asshole xianxia cultivators in the genre sense

[narrow tartan]

Pirates. Reminds me of my observation that sailing is something that could replace hunting for Creature of Fable

[narrow tartan]

I disagree

[vivid wraith]

similar to how "indomitable is good for superheroes" probably means "is good for Dark Knight Returns Batman specifically?"

[narrow tartan]

John Wick has Indomitable imo

[frank light]

He could yeah

[fleet harbor]

Yes if the entire superhero genre were that one guy

[frank light]

Sometimes a hero is indomitable

[fleet harbor]

Xianxia as a genre is 85% assholes by volume

[frank light]

And sometimes he’s more like chosen one

Y’know what that’s fair

I know little about xianxia

Beyond the basics

[vivid wraith]

gotcha gotcha

[obsidian dagger]

Xianxia as a genre has a lot of assholes. My only parts that I'm less sure of is that they don't always place long-lasting curses or have a true Inconspicuous Form, but otherwise, yeah, it's reasonable enough.

[narrow tartan]

Reminds me of my desire to try and shove superheros into an arcset. Batman is an outlier though

[magic mason]

I really like Indomitable for dnd paladin types

[obsidian dagger]

Shiny superheroes are usually happy with the Angel set. Sometimes Zu? Superman arguably has a bit of the Ace to him.

Right, Zu have Star Quality. That was the fourth one that I was forgetting.

[narrow tartan]

IMO superheros have allegorical

[obsidian dagger]

Superman does. The ones that have been around for a while do. The new ones who are just figuring out their powers probably don't.

...I mean, I guess they could actually.

[vivid wraith]

you have allegorical because the writers keep retconning your backstory

[narrow tartan]

And also you have been around forever

And there are a lot of stories about you

[obsidian dagger]

Arguably that could be Awakening, especially if you're a legacy character.

[frank light]

I find it funny that explicitly, allegory for fallen is what their gardening skill turned into

[obsidian dagger]

Awakening gets to actively change its backstory, not just establish new things.

[narrow tartan]

And several super heros cannot stop being superheros

[fleet harbor]

Imagine a setting composed entirely of Vegeta

[frank light]

Yeah that’s more or less my read

[narrow tartan]

(my most unhinged superhero arcset: Allegorical, Called Away... I forgot the rest)

[obsidian dagger]

Superheroes definitely have something Orange but there's an argument as to what. Some of the ones that have the most trouble taking off the mask might even have Reality Syndrome. ...all roads lead to Actuals.

Actuals are very good at making sense in any context, though. That's their thing.

They fit themselves into it, and shuffle anything sufficiently weird into Gatecrasher where it's a nice sequestered Other.

[narrow tartan]

I dont like making things correspond to extent arcsets. Prefer making new unhinged arcsets instead

[obsidian dagger]

Fair.

[frank light]

I will say actuals may fit a biiit but…not always

Not for all superheroes

Angels, nobles, and even gamelords also have strong energy for it

If you were to have a superhero character with their arcs it would work great

[obsidian dagger]

I'm just observing that weird incongruent out-of-genre ninjas, or manic pixie dream girls, or superheroes whose superheroics doesn't quite fit the world... basically any character who seems like they wandered out of a different genre of story, and are somehow making it work here? Actuals aren't a terrible fit. Because that's what Actuals are. They've wandered in from out of nowhere, with their own genre conventions and norms and enemies and patterns, and found themselves implanted in the world.

[frank light]

Mhm

That’s true

Actuals are inherently “out of genre”

By nature of not being intended to…be here

They’re not meant to be on the surface layer of things

[obsidian dagger]

I'm trying to figure out how to articulate the ways in which Actual "out of genre" feels different from Creature of Fable "out of genre".

[frank light]

Creature of fables out of genre nature is more storybook

Less infectious

Actuals twist up the world to make it relate to them

They will make their genre fit, by force if necessary

And force is usually necessary

[obsidian dagger]

Creature of Fable... you get the impression that their genre stories are still running, just off to the side, and this one character is the only part of them you see, I suppose? Whereas Actuals feel distinctly out of place, because they don't have tha other story.

Which implies Creature of Delirium for them but they don't have that anymore. They were also considered for Reality Syndrome, which wouldn't be a bad fit but Jenna wanted to keep Seizhi and Chuubo's niches separate.

[frank light]

Creature of delirium is possible but it is distinctly a storyteller arc

Which…actuals very fittingly don’t work with

Creature of delirium is still a creature that can bring enlightenment and change and catharsis

Just

Messy

[obsidian dagger]

Fair. Red stuff means something. It's about the facile and sensory stuff, but it still can evoke meaning and catharsis. And Actuals can really only evoke that in terms of themself.

[fleet harbor]

To some degree I feel like the best summary I can give of the difference is that like

[obsidian dagger]

Red is about a message. And Actuals exist solely in repeating who and what they are outwards. They definitionally can't mean more than that, I guess.

[fleet harbor]

Visage doesn’t turn you into the fox running from the hounds, and Hunter doesn’t turn you into a zombie

[vivid wraith]

i was confused about actuals having Theft for a minute but then I remembered i keep getting actuals and mimics confused

[fleet harbor]

There’s thematic overlap

[frank light]

They do not have theft yeah

[fleet harbor]

But not that overlap

[obsidian dagger]

I'm going to say something which sounds vaguely meaningful and I want you to tell me if the words I said actually mean anything relevant: the difference between Actuals and Mimics is the different between null and NaN.

I also might have that backwards.

[frank light]

I’m not actually sure I 100% agree

Mimics are both undead frankenstein-like abominations, cosmic lies dressed up as truths, and the horror of being either

[obsidian dagger]

I'm not even sure I agree with it myself. I just like the sound of it, you know?

[frank light]

They’re riders

[narrow tartan]

Hmmm. Would it be better to assign myself Actual or assign myself Mimic?

[frank light]

Actuals are bones of the world that have grown cancerous and self aware and trying to make themselves real, and the horror of that not being normally possible for them

They’re normally pieces of infrastructure, they’re words, or letters, syntax, gears. They’re not supposed to be awake

[obsidian dagger]

Actuals are... honestly I like to think of them as like viruses in the biological sense. They're not quite alive, although they sort of act like it, and their main means of interaction with the world is to make it into more of themself.

[frank light]

Mimics are also designed with purpose

A rider made them at least

Though yes, actuals are a bit like viruses in the biological sense

They’re only “alive” in their interaction with the world in a sense

Which is the act of spreading.

Unless you’re seizhi

Seizhi has some stuff going on though

And might’ve been infrastructure for the bleak academy

[obsidian dagger]

Seizhi is weird. Although so is Laodemus, and arguably Billy Sovereign depending on the campaign.

Laodemus is actually a perfect example of a character who wandered in from a different genre using Actual arcs.

The man is a masked wrestler.

Here's a question: is Ahti from Control happier with Creature of Fable, or with Actual-flavored "not from this genre"?

He's an enigma in the exact same way as Laodemus, where you're not supposed to solve him. He's the janitor, and that's enough, and he does a lot of supernatural stuff which is not explained by him being a janitor but somehow makes sense with that role.

[fleet harbor]

Mimics are, like so many Excrucians, Hurt People Hurt People

[frank light]

Yeah haha yeahhh

The entire Warhost is full of broken people

[fleet harbor]

Actuals are a zombie apocalypse

[frank light]

Because you have to break in some way to be a person who destroys the world

I’m including native voidborn in this

If you’re from the pure nothingness and you say you’re okay I don’t believe you
Like girl why do you have the sickly arc

[fleet harbor]

They don’t have a terrible amount in common imo

[obsidian dagger]

Ahti is losely implied to be a stray Finnish sea god iirc, which sort of implies Creature of Fable in some ways. But he also feels like... for all his truths, for all his weirdness, it might even be more correct to understand him as a janitor first and foremost?

[frank light]

Like something is deeply wrong with the headmaster

[fleet harbor]

Like the most actual-coded thing I’ve ever read is still that Sam Kriss piece about The Villages

[frank light]

https://candiedreptile.club/picture.php?/2119/tags/48-the_headmaster_of_the_bleak_academy

[frank light]

OH THAT ONE YEAH

Yeah I remember it

I didn’t read it

[fleet harbor]

A mimic is however extremely a person

It is maybe the best nonfiction horror I’ve read in my life

But yeah a mimic is a person ruled by fear

[frank light]

And the death orb in their soul

And a bit of anger

Just like the powerpuff girls

[fleet harbor]

Yep

[magic mason]

I think warmain stats with Allegory/Creature Of Fable

[frank light]

“Sugar, spice, and everything nice. These are the ingredients for the perfect bones of law. But the strategist accidentally broke a glass and spilled in ‘HATRED OF THE WORLD’”

[fleet harbor]

An actual is, by default, a system that, separated from its context, goes wrong

[magic mason]

could work for him

[fleet harbor]

Chuubo’s being Chuubo’s

And therefore the world Robin would design

The Actuals in Chuubo’s get more of a chance to become people

For good or ill, they are not just tumors anymore

[obsidian dagger]

Chuubo's wish for a friend shouldn't have worked. It should have created a vaguely person-shaped blob of friendship which then metastasized and started spreading. But it didn't. It created a whole entire person with a rich internal experience and everything.

[frank light]

The nature of the world did break!

So perhaps it is more possible now

Or perhaps it is just possible for a lot of care and love to craft a person from nothing

Unclear

Also Leo put DOWN THE HEART-

[fleet harbor]

Town is in many ways a world where that definitionally would not happen

[obsidian dagger]

Partially because of the sacrifice of Jade Irinka, probably. Partially because the world is broken. And partially because this is the kind of story where hubristic, joyeous wishes to seize the world go right.

[narrow tartan]

Deceivers are just fine actually. Just are jerks about it

[magic mason]

(4 sickly arcs)

[frank light]

Town is quite fun

[obsidian dagger]

Deceivers, from their perspective, are fine, but nobody else is, and they're trying to fix that.

[frank light]

Cus it’s just around

[fleet harbor]

The wish for a best friend was too kind not to work in this context

[frank light]

But it’s also one of the only places that survives the end of a lot of things

Including the end of meaning

Sorry about Russia btw

That’s gone (kinda)

[fleet harbor]

When I say it’s the compromise Robin would come up with, I mean it’s a world where the whole argument is … softened, comparatively speaking

An actual can be a person

[narrow tartan]

I e concluded that Deceivers are in the world by choice. All the other Excrucians have something tieng them to the world. Deceivers just like to cause problems

[fleet harbor]

Hubris can go well every once in a while

[frank light]

That…doesn’t seem right lol

[fleet harbor]

An excrucian can go to school

[magic mason]

If you saw someone in danger, and didn't help them, would you feel bad about it?

[obsidian dagger]

...you know, it's possible that the Headmaster, for all his awfulness, is the single most correct Warmain to ever live, beause reality did end and now there's some awesome stuff that's preserved.

[narrow tartan]

Yes. But that wouldnt mean I would help them

[fleet harbor]

A snake whose natural perspective is too big can learn what it’s like to be small

[frank light]

NO

THIS WAS NOT THE CONCLUSION TO REACH-

Also he is still…maybe trying to destroy the rest of it

It’s not like the riders have stopped riding

And doing rider stuff

[vestal mist]

What are the Riders?

[frank light]

The bleak academy is still bleaking it up

[narrow tartan]

I mean in Fable of the Swan he is actually pretty reasonable

[obsidian dagger]

Note that I said possible. It's unclear what his deal is. It's unclear if he even believes all the stuff he's saying about the power of despair! It's possible that he's looking for someone capable of resisting it.

[frank light]

Excrucians

They ride on pale horses

Destroy the world

Slay gods

[vestal mist]

Ah

[frank light]

That kinda thing

[magic mason]

From a decievers perspective there are billions, trilions of people, and they are all suffering, they are all suffering in a way a lot of decievers very directly percive as abusive and corecive . And a Deceiver *can help

They aree strong enough, smart enough, and the people who are against them have it coming, and they love you

[obsidian dagger]

He's also maybe every bit as awful as he seems. It's extremely unclear.

[frank light]

Headmaster is said to be the first of the riders

Lord of deaths dominion etc etc

Soggy sad man

[obsidian dagger]

...I am not kidding when I say that Final Fantasy Tactics Advance is a Deceiver game.

[fleet harbor]

I have strong feelings about the FFTA we got and the FFTA that we were meant to get

[frank light]

Whether or not he truly is as awful as he seems

He did fall in love with the sun and have a child with her

[narrow tartan]

A different way of expressing what I am thinking. Deceivers actively impose their existence on the world. While other Excrucians are tied to it on a deeper level

[frank light]

And then killed her

Which like

Soggy

[frank light]

I feel like this doesn’t mean they aren’t…just as soggy as other excrucians???

I think saying “oh yeah they’re just being assholes” sorta devalues both them and other excrucians

[obsidian dagger]

My GMD campaign has not started yet so I currently have no idea if the death of the sun was part of some scheme on both their parts.

[frank light]

Very valid!

I’m gonna be playing jaspers grief about it hard though

Because losing your mom sucks

Even if it was a scheme

And if it was a scheme that also sucks too

Cus it means your mom willingly left you behind ;-;

And if it’s not a scheme then what the fuck dad!!!

Bad times all around for the sun

[obsidian dagger]

Oh, sure! It's very possible that Jade willingly sacrificed herself for the world... and made Jasper suffer in the process because she screwed up.

[frank light]

True!

whether she screwed it up or not jaspers gonna have feelings

[obsidian dagger]

It was definitely an awful situation. But it might be awful in ways which are more complicated than just "the headmaster is very evil". It might also be that simple, in the end, though.

[narrow tartan]

Thats fair. Its. Yeah

[frank light]

Exactly!

Honestly if it’s more complicated than on the surface that’s worse

[magic mason]

this is most unrelated but I really like thinking about Sickly Arcs in like... an Anti-Chim way
A Delusion That Is Close Enough To Reality You Still Sort Of Kind Of Ascend

Maybe the Deep Self is kinda you just tripping and having a god complex
Maybe the wanderer realm is some fairy tale you dreamed up and spoke into reality
Maybe as star quality you are just kinda... wrong about your role in all this, and compensating for it through sheer reality sshaping charisma

I think its an interesting thought, doesn't apply to all sickly characters, but I feel like its a fun way to write one that acts as a nice explanation for the sicklyness of it all

[frank light]

Cus if it’s complicated then how the hell do you process that

Cus your mom still died/is kidnapped and trapped at the bleak academy/GONE

and she’s left such a huge void behind

And you’re somehow supposed to fill it

It’s gonna suck for her(positive)

Oh and also you keep growing tentacles and eyes and hands

[fleet harbor]

Inb4 Jasper Irinka is Steven Universe-coded

[frank light]

She issss

She so is

[narrow tartan]

Ahhhhahahaha

[fleet harbor]

She’s even named after a rock

As was her mom

[frank light]

“Natalia what is Steven universe why do you keep referencing it”

[magic mason]

I will say this doesn't work as well for Accursed and Wounded Angel

I feel like those are devalued a bit by them being delusions

[frank light]

Sickly is defined by being a bit “unnatural”
Rather than as delusion

They’re off

[magic mason]

Yeah
I just think Delusion is a really cool stripe of Unnatural to lean into

when making a sickly guy

[frank light]

Delusion is certainly not a bad direction to lean towards yeah

Sometimes it works Fuckin great

[magic mason]

gives you really good grounds for Suffer Corruption and Suffer Trauma actions

if your just.... Wrong

and Coping with the fact you are Wrong but forcing things to be true

[frank light]

Could be

Depends certainly

Some characters have struggles that don’t work quite as well with delusion as a vibe.

[magic mason]

yeah I know this is a

"This is a reeally cool option!"
not a
"This is how it works"

[frank light]

Mhm mhm

Honestly one case for that is delusions tormenting you with Accursed

[magic mason]

Honetly a lot of this started with me thinking about Decievers in the context of them being False Idols and Cult Leaders

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Metanarrative role of the book of names and the potential of the book being very innacureate

On a meta narrative level it would be a mistake

[narrow tartan]

Mystery with strong opinions on the star wars seauels

[obsidian dagger]

Hm. Of all of those, I feel like Typhon would be the most likely candidate for that? Especially since she maybe teaches at School.

[narrow tartan]

Huh.

[vivid wraith]

gotta be Goblin right

[narrow tartan]

Just. Mystery I am trying to work on. Probably has strong opinions on the sequels. Not certain what they would be though

[vivid wraith]

goblin the hater

[frank light]

Does she?

Or have we gotten canon content of that?

I mean I agree with that statement since typhon seems even more complicated than what is presented in the book of names but

Do we have canon content of her at school?

[obsidian dagger]

The Horizon campaign notes list her, as a teacher, as the female equivalent to Sa'a Lingurth.

[vivid wraith]

horizon campaign draft material posted to tumblr

i'll have to fact-check

as the draft material continues it becomes increasingly unclear what connection "Sal" has to Typhon, at least to me

idk you know how the Halloween special is like, a weird AU version of the various characters involved
that's how the Horizon campaign draft material feels too

[obsidian dagger]

They're as connected as Laodemus Schwan and Lilimund Cartigan, roughly.

They're not the same person, but either one could be the Wriggling Teacher.

[restive ridge]

Creature of Delirium quest about getting corrupted by an evil sword (you are the sword)

[obsidian dagger]

Creature of Delirium usually doesn't involve a single person, but I guess a quest could.

I sort of feel like... the ways in which red arcs interact with others usually rely upon seeing them as crowds, rather than individuals? Am I out of my mind here?

But like... you Transfix others en masse. You Cut the Soul because their narrative is less important than yours. You overtake everyone in the region.

[restive ridge]

I have no idea what Im doing here either

[vivid wraith]

cooking

[obsidian dagger]

There's an argument that Black arcs would actually want to be the ones corrupting someone. Primodial can curse people, and Awakening can subsume them.

Depending on the speed of the corruption, it could very well be Allegory.

Indomitable could do it, but it doesn't especially want to.

What does the sword do while cursing someone? It might be a catchphrase quest, where its spirit periodically shows up evilly as a presence. That would be Red, I guess.

[vivid wraith]

A lot of the powers fit Evil Sword tbh

[restive ridge]

SO TRUE

(My original thought was that Sovereignity represented people who are out of their league trying to greedily steal you from your wielder)

(This whole thing was started by "an inanimate object as a Mystery")

[obsidian dagger]

I guess it depends on how you conceptualize the evil sword.

[vivid wraith]

the cursed sword has Flore and the wielder is its treasure

just thought "huh i should look up flore/sentimental again" and remembered i have Wish Awry this thing is so nice

[obsidian dagger]

Wish Awry?

[restive ridge]

https://xavid.itch.io/wish-awry

[vivid wraith]

simplified versions of the Chuubo's powersets, including Book of Golden Hours

[obsidian dagger]

Neat!

[obsidian dagger]

...so this is slightly (very) weird but for some reason I am reading Danny Phantom fanfic and a surprising amount of it is very congruent with Gatekeeper.

"The way he talks about ghosts, it’s like they’re… naughty. He has this trust in them that he doesn’t have with humans. With humans, he’s always worried about what they’ll do. All of his contingency plans are for if humans get too violent for him to handle.”
Which is a good way of parsing Oblivious. It doesn't have to be total ignorance of the evils they can do; it can just be a significant increase in willingness to forgive.

Of treating their failings, not as invisible, but as natural. It's not their fault. Which feels very Angelic in some ways, but Angels don't have anything Blue.

[candid compass]

Angels do have Gatekeeper/Lore

[obsidian dagger]

Why did I think they didn't?

I remember thinking it was weird they didn't have it, and that's because they actually totally do.

[fleet harbor]

Claims to like The Rise of Skywalker and hates TLJ in the most dog-whistle-y way possible (neither of these are real opinions he has he's just trying to piss people off)?

[obsidian dagger]

There's a very specific character from something I read who would do that, but... in retrospect, that character was basically an Actual, or analagous to one, in the form of a vitriol-inducing TV station. To the extent that its avatar, the news anchor, would basically just say whatever caused the most rage.

Whether that was anger at whoever they were angry at, or anger at them, it didn't really matter.

Goblin is close to that, and then you remember that most of his nastiness is just him sneaking into your house and putting a bear trap in your sock drawer. It's so mundane.

[fleet harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115791099840184431/1338562057200730222/Screenshot_2025-02-10_122723.png?ex=67ab888f&is=67aa370f&hm=b555c1fe4fe211417520eb7b94578a783c7e8c863e04816c04919abf9847355a&

[candid compass]

You gotta tell people if you're a ghost, otherwise it's entrapment

[fleet harbor]

Called Away is such a fun arc

[candid compass]

Right, I forgot Wanderer also gets that "kinda there but not really" power

[fleet harbor]

Helps with the whole "and then I was in a completely different universe" thing

[frank light]

Truly based

[frank light]

Yeah the ability meshes really well

[restive ridge]

Just realised Allegory is THE Arc for pulling off a crypto scam.

[vivid wraith]

WOOOOOO

Explain how

[restive ridge]

I forgot

[vivid wraith]

Morgana has been affected by Tangled History and can no longer remember the original timeline

[restive ridge]

It made a lot of sense like 10 minutes ago

[magic mason]

do you have deepness?

there is a miracle for this

[restive ridge]

I think it was specifically if the crypto scam involved you getting a specific reputation then burning all the good rep away to make the scam work

As like a series of quests

[obsidian dagger]

Wouldn’t that be Become Somebody?

[fleet harbor]

Let's look at this differently. How does each arc do a crypto scam?

[frank light]

Wonderful question

Holy just asks you to invest and it’s the most important moment in your life

Monstrous…uh

“I dunno”

Ace can become the perfect advertiser

[obsidian dagger]

Reality Syndrome accidentally makes the crypto scam work successfully

as in, it's not a scam anymore

[fleet harbor]

I should read Prophet

[fleet harbor]

I have skimmed prophet

[frank light]

Prophet is neat

Manuela Dominguez has it and the distortion inherited it when it absorbed her

:3

[fleet harbor]

I will destroy it

[frank light]

:333

A valid response

[fleet harbor]

I feel like if I were to do Sam in Chuubo’s she would have Prophet tho

[frank light]

Whom

Which Sam

[vivid wraith]

power of void?

[fleet harbor]

Yeah

[vivid wraith]

nice nice

[fleet harbor]

Prophet and Sentimental

[patent tiger]

Sentimental is Flore, right?

[vivid wraith]

Ye

[patent tiger]

Imagine me clicking my tongue disapprovingly

[vivid wraith]

traitor stat

[patent tiger]

It really is

[fleet harbor]

I will say I can see how Prophet is a Gamer stat

It feels like a natural fit with their whole deal

And also kinda with the fact that they pay a ton for Ability?

"Just use prophet instead" is a very legit answer

That tilts them towards a particular vibe

[obsidian dagger]

they're good at doing things in their idiom rather than just at Doing Things.

[fleet harbor]

_> Kinda why it has Sam vibes

[restive ridge]

No, it was your destiny all along to become the great-betrayer

(This is why the Fallen Angels were banished, not the fact they loved the wrong of Creation too much)

[frank light]

love that allegory is what gardener became for them

cus technically

it works SURPRISINGLY SIMILAR

you can shape the world directly and transform it

just

instead of gardens and a vision of the world, its in the nature of your Failing