it's largely the same I think
#Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)
candid compass
obsidian dagger
an affordance.
Something which is wrong (factually or morally or practically) for anyone else, but not for you. It probably comes in at Arc 2, or maybe Arc 0.
Grasp the Intangible might actually be that? But every other Immortal arc has one, somewhere. Usually either it's at Arc 2, or it scales in such a way that it's most active at arc 2.
fleet harbor
“Tragically winning all the time”
obsidian dagger
Isn't there some kind of compelled behavior? Where, like, if someone breaks your rules, you have to curse them? Or is that also only in Creature of the Light?
Or... what do they get at Indomitable 2?
vivid wraith
Isn't there some kind of compelled behavior? Where, like, if someone breaks you...
not compelled, just an option
obsidian dagger
Oh, I'm thinking of Creature of the Light's Taboo probably.
frank light
There is a “god I hate this taboo” thing
Though the immortal affordance thing feels less like a requirement as more of a vibe
obsidian dagger
I have to go for now, but when I'm back I want to talk more about affordances, because, yes, it's a vibe, but it's also a crucial parallel.
candid compass
I'd argue for Indomitable its the fact you can rise above your curse at all
vivid wraith
At arc 2 they get Paralyzing Fear, Tribulation, Cautionary Tale, Inconspicuous Form,Advanced Techniques, and "the dark side"/"drawn to certain bait"
candid compass
especially since when you use Tribulation to inflict your Curse on others, it's still very harmful to them
fleet harbor
They weren’t cool enough
frank light
Though the immortal affordance thing feels less like a requirement as more of a ...
Though I guess that extends from my theory/headcanon that immortal arcs are bout being Law
And as Law you just kinda have things that are “self evident” and “right”
It’s not required that you have one affordance
fleet harbor
I think I would say immortal arcs are about not just having but being power
frank light
But you have things that are kinda just…true/hard to disprove.
It’s a divine right of those with Lore to bind arcanum. It is a divine right to indulge in a particular thought as a Holy being.
You Have a garden when you’re a Gardener.
There’s stuff that people can’t say is untrue
Allegorical beings are involved in history and that’s kinda impossible to disprove
They constantly have evidence of their backstories
Yeah
Imperial miracle type beat where it’s just sorta…true.
It can be possibly disproven externally but it’s difficult to.
fleet harbor
Child of the Ash and Indomitable are very straightforward in this respect: you have the power to just sort of say, “fuck you I’m extremely large/strong”
(Among other things)
frank light
Child of the ash is also loadbearing
As in you are a literal loadbearing pillar of the world
fleet harbor
You lay down the terms, everybody else sucks it up
frank light
A mood and element that emanates directly from you
Yeah
Da law Babey
Da king of da highway
fleet harbor
Immortal is just kinda fitting because like … I’m sorry did you think you were going to kill me?
frank light
“I’m fundamentally true what makes you think guns work”
“Bro did you just try to slay something fundamental? Lol”
fleet harbor
That’s not how this story goes
frank light
“Lmao”
In a very literal sense of examples it’s like trying to kill what you represent
Trying to kill the sun is a lesson in frustration
It’s the sun
Trying to destroy hope as a concept is…not easy!
You’re just kinda…not a thing that dies
Or in more relevant examples
Trying to blow up the ocean
frank light
You can set off as many nukes and super volcanoes as you want.
The ocean will remain
candid compass
Trying to destroy hope as a concept is…not easy!
:)
fleet harbor
Indomitable is to some degree scary because the fundamental thing you represent is just sorta your own will
frank light
About the hunter skill in creature of fable
fleet harbor
Jutting into the world
frank light
Theres a little statement about it that’s weird
fleet harbor
Child of Ash says, “you can’t shoot me, I’m the ocean itself”
frank light
fleet harbor
Indomitable says, “you can’t shoot me, I’m me”
frank light
Yeah
Adept has “you can’t shoot me! I can’t lose here!”
Literal energy shield that gets stronger when you falter
fleet harbor
There’s no actual reason that statement should apply and it’s spooky that it does
frank light
Yea
I remember that the suggestions for the limitations of indomitable immortality was to tie it to an object
Like some kind of phylactery or smthin
Adept’s immortality suggestions were “you’re probably powered by a giant power source of magical energy that could theoretically be depleted”
fleet harbor
I might tie it to ego in some sense
frank light
They’re only mere suggestions but
It’s interesting!
They’re fun suggestions for limits at least. They make for fun characters
fleet harbor
The only way to kill someone Indomitable is to make their will falter
To make them believe they can die
That kind of thing
frank light
Oh that’s fun
fleet harbor
I saw this!
frank light
Yeah it’s funky right???
fleet harbor
It’s interesting
narrow tartan
Problem with indonitable is that it has too much cool stuff and I could never figure out how to fit it into a ladder cleanly
fleet harbor
It’s interesting how the unlimited strength works according to Glitch/Nobilis principles
frank light
Yeah
Unlimited strength is strong but surprisingly evenly matched among other powers
fleet harbor
But that’s fitting, the more indomitable you are the less you have to try
And notably it’s unlimited against opposition
frank light
I guess because everyone is using “infinitely powerful miracles that speak themselves acausally into being”
Yeah
It’s stronger than you
fleet harbor
Because, well, it’s in the name
frank light
Yeah haha
fleet harbor
You’re indomitable, you don’t lose
candid compass
tbf, Aspect can also make you basically arbitrarily strong at higher levels
candid compass
but yeah Monstrous is just "stronger than you"
fleet harbor
Yeah, ultimately “I can do anything” vs. “I always win” is a contest of miraculous might
candid compass
and Inhuman Strength would probably still be very potent in a contest
frank light
I’ve nearly finished drawing the chuubos party I’m running for
candid compass
based on how it works in BOGH, it would probably be like "do a miraculous action, with free miraculous Edge equal to your Monstrous"
frank light
The freaksss…
(I need to edit Jennifer and draw the streamer)
fleet harbor
Indomitable is like … the Undertaker at Wrestlemania
candid compass
so it's still difficult to stand up to someone with Monstrous, even if you are also miraculous
you need to try way harder than they need to
frank light
Yeah
frank light
Indomitable is like … the Undertaker at Wrestlemania
Yeah exactly
Characters like that
Dark and brooding edgy powerhouses
Batman is another great example
fleet harbor
It’s the story of breaking your fist on an immovable object
In immovable object who doesn’t necessarily really track
Sans?
frank light
…sure actually
fleet harbor
Is Sans Undertale Indomitable?
candid compass
Sans is not Indomitable IMO
fleet harbor
“You’re about to have a bad time”
frank light
I have sans creature of fable and prophet
Players who were part of my deltarune project don’t ask why I prepped this
candid compass
He works in a different way I feel
fleet harbor
Yeah that might be more Creature of Fable
restive ridge
Sans is on zero Arcs, my man just straight up doing nothing and going on no Quests
fleet harbor
Anyway warmain arcs are almost definitionally the ones most able to make you miserable
At least in a direct fight
candid compass
Yeah it's very funny
All their arcs are very 'forceful'
They just make things happen, and everyone else is left scrambling
obsidian dagger
I am back! And yes, Immortal is about being load-bearing.
But the affordance stuff is more like... diplomatic immunity? Like, the archetypical example is Divine Warrant.
But it also includes Child of the Ash being able to make up an excuse as to why they can turn into a giant snake, and the HG being explicitly encouraged to accept it even if they wouldn't otherwise. Or, somewhat oddly, Primordial's Devour.
frank light
I guess I disagree with that being an affordance but then again that’s just semantics on what an affordance is
Plus divine warrant is…unhealthy to indulge in
obsidian dagger
Well, what would you call it? Genuine question; I can't think of a better name for this thing I've noticed.
frank light
At least in its current version
obsidian dagger
Divine Warrant can be unhealthy but it is explicitly objectively not immoral. Even if it would be for someone else.
frank light
Well, what would you call it? Genuine question; I can't think of a better name ...
I guess I tie it back to the law thing?
Cus many abilities have “do a thing and make up your own explanation”
like the Shroud/misdirection of troubled
fleet harbor
I think sometimes it’s an affordance because you’re a pillar of reality, and sometimes it’s saying “try and stop me” to the universe and that working, and sometimes it’s something else
frank light
But immortal arcs have the “law that justifies itself into the world”
Yeah
It’s not universal among the immortal arcs
Some of them absolutely have a thing that is an affordable
Others are way fuzzier
obsidian dagger
It’s not universal among the immortal arcs
Yes, it is. That's my thesis.
magic mason
the way I tend to think about indomitable curses is that they are the type of curses they don't hurt you but they can hurt people around you very easily, or otherwise estrange you from other people in a way that turns you into a bitter loner.
Like Vampires have weaknesses to the sunlight and stuff, but the actual angst from being a vampire often comes from the idea of "I am a parasite who has to hurt people to survive"
A Monstrous vamprie is some mythic thing struggling to deal with the fact they are parasitic
A Troubled Vampire is hunted by a christian coded inqusitor group who knows their weaknesses
An Accursed vampire lives in constant paranoia about the watchful gaze of the sun
frank light
I suppose I disagree with your thesis then!
fleet harbor
The unifying principle of the immortal arcs is that you can just do this thing
frank light
Which, fair enough I guess
obsidian dagger
Some require a bit of looking at it from a particular angle, but I think that all of them have some degree of affordance.
magic mason
the way I tend to think about indomitable curses is that they are the type of cu...
I hope this makes sense as a position
frank light
In any case I just…won’t involve myself in the conversation if it’ll just come down to an agree to disagree moment
obsidian dagger
Although some are fuzzier than others. But the fact that they generally all arrive at the same point (arc 2, more or less) lends support to my position.
Ok that's fair. I reflexively want to try to sell you on my position but that's probably not a healthy or good means of interaction.
magic mason
the way I tend to think about indomitable curses is that they are the type of cu...
If I kept working on my numb arcs.... shit what would a Mourning vampire be like like
Maybe a vampire who plays out a bit more like a Chronicles Of Darkness Mummy?
restive ridge
Hmmmm
That might work, tho my internal model for Mummies is that they are (subjectively) very active.
Something like the sleeping in the coffin super elder maybe?
candid compass
If I kept working on my numb arcs.... shit what *would* a Mourning vampire be li...
I assume you'd focus a lot more on the whole bit of losing other people around you, as they age but you stay immortal
vampire as an outside observer on human mortality
narrow tartan
I always try and make superheros and arcset
magic mason
Yeah that tracks
narrow tartan
What taxon of Imperator does Peter Pan belong to
fleet harbor
I’m inclined towards Wildlord
But I could just see him as a Power, too
I can’t recall, do Wildlords get Wanderer/Called Away?
candid compass
they don't
candid compass
Wild is...
Allegorical, Monstrous, Symbolic, Persona
obsidian dagger
Hook feels right for Allegory.
fleet harbor
Pan would be, I dunno, Joy, Childhood, War
For estates
Alternately Pan and Hook are powers of the same imperator
A true god, probably?
narrow tartan
Hmm. Thinking about. Just. Making a bunch of different wizard arcsets for different wizard styles.
...hmm. what are the swearing rules on Pilotnet anyway?
vivid wraith
no rules as long as they're not slurs iirc
narrow tartan
nods
Contemplates wizard shitpost
restive ridge
What taxon of Imperator does Peter Pan belong to
ßnake
obsidian dagger
Is there art somewhere of Seizhi being chased by a mob of animals with requests?
I feel like there is, somewhere in the Chuubo's book, but I don't remember where.
there's this, which is, technically, art of Seizhi I think? also why am I looking in the base book rather than GMD?
obsidian dagger
That is it exactly
I don't know why "character is mobbed by animals after revealing the ability to help them" is so funny but it is. ...I just remembered when something similar happened in Gunnerkrigg Court.
vivid wraith
trying to be helpful
rookie mistake
obsidian dagger
Interestingly that could potentially be a form of mediation between worlds... and Seizhi does get blue arcs in the form of Gatecrasher! Although by default it's for the Secret World of Underground Wrestlers, or maybe Ghosts but I think Underground Wrestlers.
Unless that's really more Leonardo's thing and Seizhi is just likely to be inducted by dint of proximity. Because with Gatecrasher, interestingly, you're part of the Secret World.
Gatekeepers aren't. They often have moral license to ally with them perhaps more closely than would otherwise be advisable, but they're not part of the world. And Wounded Angels have their world locked up inside them.
I think that might be key to understanding Gatecrasher.
at least, for me understanding Gatecrasher. I haven't always been the most clear in my understanding of it.
frank light
there's this, which *is*, technically, art of Seizhi I think? also why am I loo...
oh my god
why is seizhi so ;-;
obsidian dagger
Thus is the fundamental essence of being the Best Friend.
narrow tartan
I remember seeing a comment about. Seizhi Schwan. And mass murder. Which I might of misonterpreted.
Also i desperately need sleep
obsidian dagger
first, sleep is important, so go sleep. Secondly, a what? I'm very curious what that comment could possibly be.
obsidian dagger
I know nothing about modern League of Legends but apparently there’s a Warmain https://youtu.be/gyiZ91tn_Ak?feature=shared
narrow tartan
Well got a little more sleep but still overall I slept poorly.
The mass murder thing had something to do with Seizhi amd his nature as am Actual. That Seizhi could do violence if he had to ti fill that role?
narrow tartan
There is something funny about. I forgot. Instead Warmains. I just realized that you should start with what they are looking for and work backwards
I think I like arcsets more than individual arc assignments because. I just fund it more fun?
But Naruto and Luffy definitely have Become Somebody
narrow tartan
The equivalent of the Ruler of Capitalism would be the Gamer of Cat Videos
restive ridge
Deep
narrow tartan
nods
narrow tartan
Adult Luz being tapped as King's first Power
magic mason
Who do y’all think the average gamelord shadow is
I feel like it would either be “Humanity”, a particular Human, or a Rules Magister
restive ridge
I think a Rule Magister or some form of like embodied vice
narrow tartan
I just realized. That the Titans like King. Fit a particular type of Imperator I came up with. Who have Wyrd. Which would suck
Wyrd, Symbolic, and Vastness. And I cannot remember the fourth arc. Will find it later
And. Stuff like the Titan Trappers, the Collector, and Emperor Belos would all be fitting as his Bane
narrow tartan
What color of arc is the temptation of power?
Like. Being offered power which is bad for you to take
fleet harbor
That could be Wounded Angel
vivid wraith
Green i think
candid compass
it mostly depends on how you stand towards that power
but Green or Blue seems the most likely
Green would be if its some kind of corruptive or transformative influence
Blue if its something forbidden that you study or harness
frank light
Troubled could also work
If your power is a temptation you indulge in
There’s a lot of possibilities
candid compass
ultimately you can tell most stories in a variety of arc colors
the difference is mostly the vibe of it all
frank light
Yeah
I have recently been writing serpent Iolithae
Which has been fun because the arcs are silly
narrow tartan
Iolithae Snektinian
frank light
Yea
Skills:
Storytelling 4. You’re a killer storyteller, in every sense of the word. The tales you can weave can bring even the most stoic down to their knees.
Sighing, Sai Combat, other things relating to the sound “Sai” 1. You’re a bit out of practice with all of that. Except for Sighing, you did a lot of that.
Surprising Familiarity with Pop Culture 1. You have a lot of strong memories but haven’t caught up on the recent stuff.
Self-Care 0. You’re not that good at taking care of yourself.
Being Law 0. You have no idea how any of this works why why why why why why.
Honesty -1. It would be weirder if it was easy.
Titov Family Magic 2. You used to be the epicenter of it. So you know enough about their craft to replicate it.
Perks:
Isabella Titov 2. You hated her the least out of all of them.
Bond 2. “I think I see through lies”
Is the idea that someone hit her with some Imperator Juice?
fleet harbor
Aha
frank light
And now she has allegory 0 reality syndrome 2 child of the ash 1
Her lies are no longer…lies exactly
fleet harbor
The truths of Iolithae Septimian
frank light
Allegory is what her persona turned into and it’s fuckin weird
For her at least it’s weird
I wrote a thing up for her version of tangled history
Sacred Lies
Type: Type
Cost: Imperial Miracle
• 0 MP—invoke Sacred Lies 1-2x/book, in separate chapters
• 2 MP—invoke Sacred Lies a third or later time per book and/or a second time per chapter
Description:
Your lies have always been sacred, shattering dynasties, invoking doubt in the world, destroying the boundary between truth and untruth. They were your most powerful tool to prove the falsehood of the world, the lie that was the truth.
But the thing is…some of your lies stopped being lies. Or well, no, that's not right. Your lies were never quite lies, they were always some kind of inbetween of truth and untruth (because the matter is just the deception of reality!). But these…these are just simply truths.
You can invoke Sacred Lies to declare that you were around for, or around for something just like…well anything really. This functions as a wish
“I wish I had detailed personal experience with that.”
You can use this to gain knowledge about a person’s childhood based on the description of their school, or dredge up memories of ancient dynasties, or learn about the birth of gods.
This is an Imperial Miracle, and is somehow more innately true than any of the other lies you’ve spoken. You don’t know how to feel about that.
Anyway she’s having a bad day about this
Her entire metaphysical nature got rocked
Most people can take wounds to defend against that
But she was literally Defeated underneath the shrine so she had no defenses against “someone changes your character concept against your will”
candid compass
I imagine Chuubo is just chilling in the Titov basement
frank light
Yeah
candid compass
one of them comes down there, and they have a nice conversation
narrow tartan
Is. Chuubo a Deceiver now? The Wishes of Chuubk
frank light
But also probably quite upset that she’s no longer a deceiver
candid compass
Is. Chuubo a Deceiver now? The Wishes of Chuubk
obviously his pState is Chuubo's Marvelous Wish Granting Engine 😛
frank light
Is. Chuubo a Deceiver now? The Wishes of Chuubk
Yeah.
I think we concluded awakening 3. With his second self being some sort of daydream land
frank light
But also probably quite upset that she’s no longer a deceiver
She no longer can see the lie. It’s not as obvious to her.
She’s stuck as a divine being
narrow tartan
Huh. Chuubo. Not knowing he is a snake
Hmm allegorical has a signature miracle thing. That makes your identity undeniable. Chuubo not using that feature of allegorical because if he does he will remember that he is a snek
candid compass
Chuubo so far has only been shown with either Vastness or Sealed
but he could theoretically also have Allegorical or Wanderer
candid compass
Wanderer Chuubo, whose Realm is the Island of King Death
frank light
True
Would his shadow be king death? I suppose it’s possible
Oh also iolithae’s allegorical truths are just emulations of her lies lmao
candid compass
Would his shadow be king death? I suppose it’s possible
probably
I think that would also play into a more peaceful reconciliation with the Shadow
frank light
Which I think is a fun way to play into the fact that her pstate is no longer a lie
Role - Holy Saint from Beyond The World
Failing - Lies
Truths - Iolithae Septimian…
…Doubts the World
…Shatters Walls and Dynasties
…Is Sacred
They’re not relevant until higher allegory levels but they’re there!
fleet harbor
Thought: Meon returns and is about to break Iolithae out of the Titov basement so as a last ditch effort you turn her into a law-being
frank light
LMAO OH NO
candid compass
the Meon Iolithae ship returns
frank light
It’s a great one
Meon with wounded angel
Where he holds back the worst evils of the world behind his smile
…I should write Meon Iolithae fanfiction
fleet harbor
The only thing worse than what happens if you let Meon live is what happens if you kill Meon
frank light
Yeah exactly
and also gives him surprisingly savior like powers
His wounds could be the sins on his soul or something idk
So of course he’s horrible and evil!
fleet harbor
Devices are the ill intentions of others
frank light
I like the idea that he has “horrible and evil” as a wound
Like it’s just a bunch of wound powers stemming from “well of course I’m awful do not look deeper at this do not”
“I will supreme invocation you into the DIRT do not look into this”
Kinda like Leo’s friendless Wound. Where it breaks the moment you miraculously prove that he has friends
Meon’s evilness wound breaks the moment you prove he isn’t evil.
Which is why he’s very good at being evil
fleet harbor
His wounds are the accumulated evils of the world, and if he runs out of divine health levels they open a path to the fundamental evil he took from Lord Entropy 1's corpse
fleet harbor
Survived the death of his imperator by eating part of him
frank light
…I should write Meon Iolithae fanfiction
Gk I’m going to ping you if I write this
fleet harbor
:D
frank light
This is your penance for its creation
fleet harbor
Survived the death of his imperator by eating part of him
"... so I devoured him."
"Wait literally? Like you ate the dude?"
"I leave that to your imagination. No I don't. I ate him. With white sauce and rice."
"No salad?"
"No salad."
frank light
“…with rice? What are you a fucking plebeian ?”
“I ONLY HAD RICE WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME SEPTIMIAN!”
“I want you to eat with some fucking PRIDE! FOR ONCE!”
narrow tartan
My best and only take on Meon is actually he is perfectly nice guy. Okay. This has developed a little. Perfectly nice guy with the most evil smile. Had it as a mortal. Got picked solely by the merits of the smile. Too spooked to actually say anything about it
narrow tartan
Hmm. Allegorical I might spread about too broadly
narrow tartan
Okay, the odd imperators I mentioned.
Their fourth arc was Hunter.
So Wyrd, Vastness, Symbolic, and Hunter.
True weirdos as far as Imperators go
Theme wise. They are sort of like dead whales? Things whose death feeds a law of the world defined by their struggle to stay alive. Or something
fleet harbor
“I curse a certain otter”
frank light
Yea
frank light
Yeah
I think I needed to write something deeply wrong with both of them
So you get meon’s internal monologue of being an asshole and Iolithae’s unhinged habits
narrow tartan
💖
narrow tartan
Estates with miniscule differences. Or disparate things under single estates
reef perch
https://www.tumblr.com/jennamoran/771058561522581505/apocynum-press-license-102 apocynum press license 1.2 out
frank light
Well, if there’s one thing to be said about this situation, it's that it could’ve been avoided quite easily.
There were multiple warning signs. Mundane ones, obvious ones. And there were multiple points where he could have taken another course of action, made different choices, and he would never have ended up here.
Truly, what an awful fate to be cursed with such divine hubris.
How could he have possibly not seen this coming? What a fool he is, what a pathetic idiot! What kind of excuse of a god is he, if he could not thwart even this!
Here he lies, eyes open and staring at the ceiling, processing what has just happened.
His long ass fucking scraggly hair is tangled up in iolithae’s long ass significantly less scraggly hair.
Like, it is proper fucking tangled. How did this even happen. He’s never sleeping with a woman again, this is bullshit.
She isn’t even awake to notice this, so he’s just stuck there trying to think of a way to extricate himself from this god awful series of events without enduring the embarrassment of another sentient(though arguably not intelligent) being seeing this.
This is bullshit is what it is. He hates hair now. Why did he insist on keeping it long? What the fuck.
He should find a way to get the Power of Hair punished in the courts later.
sigh it continues
fleet harbor
XD
fleet harbor
The world is wrong
frank light
Yeah
Also I should use the fact that Iolithae is big on pop culture stuff to further extend this dynamic.
fleet harbor
“This is just like House and Cuddy”
“Auuuuuugh”
frank light
“If you promise not to talk like at all for like the entire day I’ll watch fucking…whatever the hell kind of slop it is you watch”
“Can I use sign language?”
“You can use gestures. If I catch you using asl the deal’s off”
narrow tartan
Lupe comes in with high level aspect just willing her hair into shape
fleet harbor
“J.D. and Elliot?”
“No.”
“Ross and Rachel?”
“…. did you just compare me to a character from Friends?”
“Carrie and Mister Big!”
“Of course you think you’re the protagonist of Sex and the City”
“Pam and Jim?”
“Why are these all from the aughts?”
“— and —“
“That show was retroactively erased from existence and how do you do that with your mouth”
“Dexter and Debra?”
“The siblings?”
“Luke and Lorelei?”
“I don’t even recognize that one”
(The deep cut is that he recognizes most of them)
narrow tartan
"J.D. and Veronica?"
narrow tartan
True God Shadows being whoever they happen to be fooling around with at the time
And is part of how they swap estates
magic mason
Maybe!
narrow tartan
I. Like the idea. Of shadows doing inner turmoil in the identity of an Imperator. Like. An Imperator not always having the same shadow. Or. A shadow displacing the imperator.
sonic mauve
reading an exalted fan supplement
fleet harbor
LMAO
fleet harbor
reading an exalted fan supplement
Which one, btw?
sonic mauve
Golden Calibration. So i can make solars without sickened bones.
fleet harbor
:D
vivid wraith
reading an exalted fan supplement
ideal
restive ridge
reading an exalted fan supplement
This should be a rule in all ttrpgs
frank light
reading an exalted fan supplement
So real
fleet harbor
Aha, it was written by Rand Brittain
frank light
Oh that tracks
patent tiger
reading an exalted fan supplement
Amazing
narrow tartan
goes to patreon and increases subscriotion level
sonic mauve
grats ur now more right about Solar Charms
fleet harbor
This does look like a good rework though
frank light
“I’m wounded, how could you do this to me? Treating me like common trash? Oh the horror!” Iolithae, to complete the effect, lifts her palm to her forehead in a semblance of grief and sorrow.
“Yes, I am treating you like trash. Cry about it.”
I continue to write my most powerful het couple
narrow tartan
@strange raptor Is this yaoi or yuri?
frank light
this is simply insane Het
narrow tartan
Are you the wildlord of gayness?
frank light
i suppose not
though meon and iolithae identify as opposite genders quite strongly
then again maybe they identify this as gay somehow
strange raptor
I mean, iolithae could speak this dynamic into being something that isn't het, couldn't she?
but, that said, uhhh, I dunno, it's not particularly het/yaoi/yuri coded in any direction imo
also, holy shit Karen, this rules
strange raptor
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Well, if there’s one thing to be said about this situation, it's that it...
His long ass fucking scraggly hair is tangled up in iolithae’s long ass significantly less scraggly hair. Like, it is proper fucking tangled. How did this even happen. He’s never sleeping with a woman again, this is bullshit.
holy shit
you're cooking with this
narrow tartan
It was mostly a joke
frank light
> His long ass fucking scraggly hair is tangled up in iolithae’s long ass signif...
thank you
im really glad you enjoy it
this is
sigh this is somethign!
its something for sure!!
narrow tartan
I am finding the stuff good as well. Though i was very confused because i briefly mistook ass for a noun
gloomy oasis
🖐️ long-ass hair
👉 long ass-hair
frank light
I am not canonizing either of them having that
Bridge too far even for me, the woman writing this
fleet harbor
🖐️ long-ass hair
👉 long ass-hair
Despite being the Power of Desecration, Meon is not a horse
obsidian dagger
First you tell me Ananda isn’t a horse. Now you tell me Meon isn’t either?
restive ridge
All women are horses actually
magic mason
Neither of these characters are women
obsidian dagger
Holidays...
• ...are an intrusion of the sacred onto the secular
• ...interrupt routine
• ...are joyous
• ...demand unusual behavior in observance```(thinking about them because I need to write more for Minotaur, and observing any holiday can keep Minotaur away, so there's a connection there)
Give me a name for a Fortitude rat.
restive ridge
Raref
narrow tartan
Dangerous Beans
obsidian dagger
that sounds a bit more Pratchett.
narrow tartan
It is a reference yes
obsidian dagger
I might go with Raref?
narrow tartan
I have not actually read book yet because I am awful.
obsidian dagger
I have gone with Raref and need to figure out a way for them to not be stuck in Minotaur's labyrinth forever, unable to actually share their story, because obviously they did share their story because it got written down. Maybe they're trapped forever and someone else meets them, but then I need to introduce a "someone else", and besides that doesn't feel right.
narrow tartan
Hmm, Minotaur is weak to finding mundanity interesting? Does Minotaur also count as mundane?
obsidian dagger
I think I know how this story ends.
Minotaur kind of counts as mundanity?
I think the answer I have is "Raref is energized, and goes forth and kills Minotaur, and then resurrects Minotaur while trying to leave the labyrinth and only barely escapes".
Minotaur is very easy to accidentally resurrect.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OQM9BsS7hyoPUXxNjaQHjaVhozN1yXONWysF-UumlN0/edit?usp=sharing
Intro fiction first draft complete! 🎉
obsidian dagger
I still don't love the name Nowhere but I haven't thought of anything better.
I'm looking at either Inane or Inanition (which are not the same thing!) but neither seems quite right?
obsidian dagger
Yukari Yakumo is really just a Nobilis character. She certainly operates on the same arguable power level as one!
It's weird because her powers are roughly Noble-level, unless you make her an Imperator of Gaps and Boundaries (her power conflates the two and treats them as synonymous, though). But she totally could be an Imperator... although Gensokyo isn't exactly a chancel, there's no indication it was created by doing something awful, and I'm not sure what faction she'd even fall into if it was. I could see a lot of different arguments.
I also think she has A Keeper of Gardens, but I could honestly see an argument for any purple arc with her. I'm not sure if she's Toxic enough for A Keeper of Gardens, either.
(I bring all this up because of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHaI7TCtCU)
frank light
Toxic is such an interesting power to me because it can be multiple things for characters
For someone more sinister it might be a unique and iconic power they keep around to transform their enemies or their minions
For someone more noble coded it might be like, this fucked up curse they have to be careful of, that prevents them from getting too close to people
And for others it’s neither of those, it’s just this transformative trait of theirs
It’s neat
candid compass
it's not even always bad, your Toxic could be making people "better" theoretically too
that's probably what it is for Angels
people hang around you too much and they start getting flowers in their eyes
obsidian dagger
Yukari in the manga seems to have a surprising tendency to... find things? Or maybe make them? At one point in Lotus-Eaters of Paradise she ||traps someone's soul in a bottle of whiskey|| through unclear methods? I'm not sure if it's something she does, or a treasure she finds, or what. It could easily be a strange invocation of Impressario's banishment?
frank light
I like that both angels and rulers have keeper of gardens + creature of light
Both of which make you inherently inspiring and transformative
It’s cool
vivid wraith
new purple arc: keeper of creatures
frank light
This is true
It’s why angels have it
“Behold my little guys” angels and strategists showing off their personal eldritch horrors
obsidian dagger
Things Yukari definitely has:
- Treasures she can use for various purposes or as her agents (Rin, Chen, arguably Reimu)
- Correspondingly, some Purple arc
- Something related to manipulating gaps and boundaries
- A complicated enough backstory that she wouldn't mind something Orange
...I'm almost tempted by the Serpent set but they don't have anything purple. But she likes Green and like Allegory and likes to sleep...
Wait. I could see her as something Blue, but I'm not sure if her Other would be "youkai" or "the outside world".
obsidian dagger
At one point she saves a powerful artifact from the Outside World (||a Virtual Boy||)
frank light
Green orange yellow purple
And quite silly little guys
fleet harbor
It's weird because her powers are *roughly* Noble-level, unless you make her an ...
This would indicate Power more than Imperator, since Imperators tend to be pretty bad at directly wielding their estates
obsidian dagger
I think the Noble powerset works well enough for her? Probably?
obsidian dagger
I'm not sure what Purple arc she has, mostly, but otherwise it probably fits?
frank light
Since aspect makes them good at anything and if they have an inhuman biology it makes them good at that too
obsidian dagger
I was going to say that I didn't think she had Ace but she's canonically superintelligent.
frank light
And hey to be fair she doesn’t need to have high amounts of aspect
fleet harbor
Powers are extremely scary
frank light
And even if you do
Many powers with aspect can be dumbasses in specific ways
Even chuubos integrates this with the whole “I have a flaw that prevents me from reaching my full potential” in Aspect
Powers are scary and powerful yeah
fleet harbor
Having superhuman intelligence doesn't mean you'll do the right thing, it means you'll do the wrong thing really well
obsidian dagger
She's not dumb. In canonical media especially most of what happns is according to her plans, or at least arguably so. It's more that she's really lazy.
obsidian dagger
So the physical portion of Ace is less fitting.
fleet harbor
I mean she might just not use that
frank light
That too
fleet harbor
She saves her MP for Last Trump with Domain
frank light
It’s not like powers or many miraculous beings have high investment in each arc
In fact if you try to have an even spread all you get is minor amounts of power in everything
Which like, works but also means you’re good at a lot of small miracles and not very good at many impressive ones
obsidian dagger
And, yeah, she's superhumanly strong still. Not enough to be super noteworthy? I'm reading the Touhou wiki now but it can sometimes be slightly dubious.
frank light
Could be a gift
It’s not uncommon to take super strength
Or even just an Emulation
Depending on her estate
obsidian dagger
Touhou is bad at separating canon and fanon sometimes. Plus, I get the vague impression that she overstates her own capabilities at times? https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo#Abilities
frank light
Lmao
fleet harbor
But yeah at Nobilis power scales this type of stuff is quite doable
The main thing is that when another Nobilis-scale being contests it
obsidian dagger
To add to all this, Hieda no Akyuu writes that "manipulation of boundaries" is theoretically a godlike power which would allow Yukari to create or destroy anything, but that all the stories about it are impossible to confirm.
frank light
Lmao
obsidian dagger
So, I get the impression that's she's extremely powerful (as in, roughly on par with Nobles) and overstates her own abilities to make herself seem stronger.
frank light
Yeah that entirely tracks
Plus it’s par for the course for nobles to create or destroy matter
Considering miracles
fleet harbor
The main thing is that when another Nobilis-scale being contests it
They can
obsidian dagger
Despite how limitless her ability sounds, there are in fact limitations, usually in relation to other powerful entities.
fleet harbor
Nobles can create or destroy stuff pretty trivially
magic mason
Funnily enough nobles tend to be more “directly” powerful
Imperators just are better at doing stuff on a huge scale
fleet harbor
Imperators are better at messing with the world's dharma
obsidian dagger
She created Gensokyo, or at least the boundary separating Gensokyo from the rest of the world, which is what makes me think Imperator-scale action.
fleet harbor
Powers can do stuff like that, unless you're envisioning Gensokyo as a chancel
obsidian dagger
I'm not sure if Gensokyo is a Chancel, or like a Chancel.
frank light
Imperators have their estates expressed in weird ways
fleet harbor
Sometimes they're barely expressed at all
obsidian dagger
It's genuinely unclear. I should note that creating Gensokyo is very much an intentional project she undertook, not just a consequence of her being.
frank light
And by that I mean, from their pov they have metaphorical or symbolic representations in their heart and that translate into the world
And powers just have “god of x”
fleet harbor
Yeah, Chancels are a thing Imperators do on purpose
frank light
Vastness is “being a creature of a world and element” and exudes the mood of it
Domain is a simpler matter
It’s “I control this element/estate”
fleet harbor
They conventionally have to do a ritual involving a hundred human sacrifices to create a chancel
obsidian dagger
obsidian dagger
The details of the creation of Gensokyo are very vague and unclear.
frank light
Chancels can be physical locations, pocket worlds, interconnected worlds, anything really
fleet harbor
But like this could be a Greater Motion of Boundaries
frank light
Yeah that seems like a solid chancel fodder
That too
There’s lots of miracles that can make pocket dimensions
Like a lot
fleet harbor
It's not even hard
obsidian dagger
I mean. She might have killed 100 people to do it? She periodically spirits away people to feed to youkai so it wouldn't be something she would be philosophically opposed to.
frank light
Strategists and warmains and mimics can do it with their miracles in monstrous Eide or Wyrd
I’m like 90% anyone with a purple arc can make their own region boundaries
obsidian dagger
I think only Immortal Purple does that.
frank light
Quest miracle
obsidian dagger
Which is why I'm not sure what Purple arc she has.
obsidian dagger
Quest miracle
oh, fair enough.
frank light
To make a giant central anchor that creates wards
fleet harbor
I can't say what she is but a Power could definitely cover it
frank light
Power can cover a lot yeah
fleet harbor
The Nobilis standard of raw might is pretty high
restive ridge
Gensokyo is def thematically a Chancel of 100 human sacrifices
fleet harbor
And a broad estate like Boundaries could do a lot
frank light
I trust morgana’s judgement on it
frank light
And a broad estate like Boundaries could do a lot
Yeah
fleet harbor
You could also say Yukari is a True God, and Yukari is also the Power of that True God
Or some shit like that
frank light
God what splat cant finagle a pocket dimension or personally twisted territory
obsidian dagger
All of this is, of course, before we talk about Maribel Hearn.
fleet harbor
Aspect, Persona, Holy, and ... can't remember
fleet harbor
Oh yeah Adept
frank light
I don’t count them since they’re not in the appendix
fleet harbor
But yeah
frank light
Let’s see..angels can garden…
I wanna say fallen but also Leonardo literally has a nightmare world in his own head
With wounded at least
frank light
Powers can flore their own territory up…
fleet harbor
And lots of Powers have other ways of doing it
restive ridge
I think Yukari is pretty Imperator-vibey but the kind of Master-Servant relationships that define Imperator-Nobles dont really exist in Touhou
frank light
Uhhh…hm.
Wildlords?
No wait I think mystic quest miracles cover personally twisted landscapes
restive ridge
She's an Imperator who schmoves like a Noble
frank light
Serpents and true gods literally have wanderer so they can
Rules has like 3 stats that can have that
Gamelords ALSO have wanderer
Strategists warmains mimics have silver miracles
…I guess deepness in deceivers can-yeah okay every splat has theoretically a way to make either a pocket dimension or a personal twisted territory
Epic
obsidian dagger
I mean, she uses Ran and Reimu a lot, but she also is known to show up in person to do stuff (including the end of Forbidden Scrollery in particular).
frank light
Even the deep imperators and shadows beneath the world can
Especially them I think
Since they define what things look like in their local vicinity
fleet harbor
Okay, this might be funny: True God of Gaps and Boundaries splits off a part of itself, then ennobles that part of itself
Makes its own body a chancel
Puts its dual power of Gaps and Boundaries nominally in charge
obsidian dagger
But then, of course... what about Maribel Hearn?
fleet harbor
Its dual power which budded from it
restive ridge
Gkat you are truly cooking
obsidian dagger
Maribel is probably Called Away to Gensokyo, so maybe Yukari is her shadow? Which does nothing to clear up if they're the same person somehow.
Yukari probably likes the noble color distribution but I'm not sure if it's the right purple or the right orange. She seems like she has Allegory, for one.
frank light
Okay, this might be funny: True God of Gaps and Boundaries splits off a part of ...
Honestly after having read more about the child of the sun true gods have quickly charmed me as an imperator type
They’re so silly
obsidian dagger
In particular, the weaker version, which makes it so that there's rumors she created the Great Hakurei Barrier. Yuyuko, who's kind of implied to maybe be Yukari's personal friend, said she didn't think Yukari could do it, for one.
fleet harbor
We could play into that with the duality
Yukari The Power could not create a high-auctoritas Chancel, it's true
Yukari the True God was able to do that
I dunno this just seems fitting for a god of gaps, and of boundaries
obsidian dagger
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yukari_Yakumo#Spell_Cards look at the list of boundaries she evokes at least nominally in her spell cards (which are... there's a Property that magic takes the form of danmaku, and probably a region property backing up spell card duels which Yukari wouldn't mind estabilishing with Keeper of Gardens but maybe Reimu (or the previous Hakurei) did that)?
Plus portals en masse. Lots and lots of portals.
What would Yuyuko be? A Keeper of Gardens, probably? She's introduced trying to steal spring from Gensokyo in order to make a demon tree bloom (this is never explained in any way as to how she/her servant even did that), and she has the ability to "invite people to death" which she doesn't like but she has. Otherwise she's mostly the (gluttonous) ruler of the underworld.
And most of her powers involve invoking that rulership to summon ghosts.
restive ridge
"Invites people to death" is how I would describe a Game Lord
frank light
Oh true yea
obsidian dagger
Quote from the wiki, which is not always 100% accurate:
This is the ability to, without exception and without permitting any resistance, end the life of any living being, whether it be human or youkai. The only kind of creatures immune from this are Hourai Immortals. Be aware that this does not mean that she can make any person die instantly, but rather that she can make it so that any person will die with absolute certainty, regardless of if they wish to die or not. Clearly and simply, it is an unusually and dreadfully powerful ability. ||Although the fear and responsibility brought with this ability is what drove her to commit suicide and become a ghost||, it seems that she hasn't forgotten this ability since then, and it seems that she can use this ability in a carefree manner (though she doesn't act carelessly in the usage of this ability). However, whether she's able to end life only to the extent of fainting, or if she tempts one to death gently, is unclear. During her lifetime, the latter was true.
Spoilered for CW ||suicide||.
Basically the wiki sometimes treats in-universe materials as true even when they're dubious or exaggerated. It's rarely totally wrong, though.
Hourai Immortals, in this context, would have an Affliction (5) I am alive and, yes, I am fully aware of how significant an affliction 5 is. This might be an overstatement but I don't think it is.
Possibly I am eternal instead? Hourai Immortals are really, really, really immortal.
frank light
Tbf immortality in Nobilis works kinda like that.
If I’m assuming you correctly
obsidian dagger
I mean Hourai Immortals are more immortal than other similar beings who are described as immortal.
frank light
Which is “literally anything that prevents me from existing as I am can’t”
Elaborate
Plus tbf affliction(5) isn’t that hard to get in nobilis.
Or a Geasa at level 7
obsidian dagger
Nobilis immortality can be defeated. People can be killed, and just come back to life eventually, or they're reliant on some external power source, or something. Hourai immortals have no strings attached, no limitations, no caveats, no limits.
candid compass
Active Immortality is pretty non limited
frank light
And it can be defeated specifically by miracles or weapons that break reality which…already break reality
Yeah
Active immortality is pretty non limited
candid compass
An affliction based one would actually be a lot less so
frank light
It’s about as powerful as an affliction that declares you as alive
And in fact has more possibilities for variety
You can optionally establish a power source or limitation, if we’re thinking of chuubos immortality.
But that is inherently optional
obsidian dagger
They also don't feel like they're immune to imprisonment in the way that nobilis immortality would work.
frank light
Oh yeah well in that case
patent tiger
Nobilis Immortality by default doesn't have those limitations - that's a Chuubo's change, yeah
frank light
An affliction would work
narrow tartan
Okay, this might be funny: True God of Gaps and Boundaries splits off a part of ...
Serpent writes self insert fanfic and ennobles the character
frank light
If you’re just worried about the staying alive bit and being indestructible
obsidian dagger
It's also partially a contextual thing? In Touhou in particular, everyone could theoretically die under certain circumstances (like if people stopped believing in them), or they're tied to some element of nature and are immortal as long as the stars twinkle (but if every star in the sky burned out, they'd die). Hourai immortals are the only exception.
frank light
I suppose?
Though in that case I could argue that the choice between an affliction and the immortality power is still mostly just..flavor and some minor interactions
candid compass
Immortality as a gift in Nobilis basically means nothing really affects you, unless the attacker puts some serious juice in there
frank light
And depending on which system an affliction/geas has less protections against being turned off
candid compass
It takes major miracles before it even becomes noticeable
frank light
And most of the things that overcome immortality can overcome afflictions.
obsidian dagger
Yeah, fair. Affliction 5 is the max possible in Chuubo's, and that's what I'm more used to.
frank light
Very fair
candid compass
The affliction just imposes an obstacle
Immortality directly makes anything just affect you less
frank light
It’s equivalent would be a geas of level 7 in 4e
Rites or chthonic actions are better equipped for dealing with afflictions/geasa
Though I suppose there are few rites that directly remove or turn off afflictions
Though not none
candid compass
Immortality says anything less than a certain level of miracle can't even hurt you at all
And anything above that will still be quite a bit weakened
frank light
Plus I would argue that immortality that isn’t tied to anything is still valid
Like “im immortal because I’m declaring myself to exist” is valid.
Or “im immortal because I am being an incarnate breathe of the void”
Strategists that pick up immortality just can’t really be killed by anything
And angels seem to have “yeah I’m just infinite. Try me”
True gods instead just have “being very big” instead
obsidian dagger
Of the hourai immortals we know about, one's strongly phoenix-themed and has power over fire (although some of that might be sorcery she learned, instead?) and one has power over eternity (and actually makes the ingame clock slow down slightly) and is just... eternal.
frank light
That makes sense
obsidian dagger
The first one dies a lot but just comes back like a phoenix; the second one doesn't have as clear of a description of what her resurrection looks like. They've spent several centuries killing each other (frequently via assassins) and are currently very very very heavily implied to be dating.
frank light
Seems about right
obsidian dagger
Kaguya's power of eternity feels like she probably has Noble arcs too? Eirin (the inventor of the Hourai Elixir, who also drank it, and works for Kaguya) is one of her treasures, and Eirin has her own treasures. One of them wouldn't mind Keeper of Gardens, though, since they have a region they're very clearly associated with, and Eirin set up a fake corridor inside there in a way that feels like "manipulating your Garden" I think?
It's funny because Touhou bosses are either "reality-warping force" or "just a funny little gremlin girl" with no in-between. And sometimes the final boss (or special "extra boss") is a funny gremlin.
Although boss appearance is not canonical power level in any way, so it's not like final bosses are always the strongest objectively. And that's important to remember.
Oh, here's a question: what's Junko? https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Junko
She has the power to purify things down to their most concentrated essence. And used that power on herself, which is why she doesn't have a last name, or a title like every other Touhou character.
I get Deceiver vibes from her, almost? She at least says she could kill the PC if they took any hits in the entire game up to that point, because they have a faint grain of death in them and she can purify and refine that.
Er, Strategist. Why did I say Deceiver?
vivid wraith
She has the power to purify things down to their most concentrated essence. And...
This does sound like a persona/memetic thing
obsidian dagger
She's weird in a lot of meta ways (no last name, no title, all of her attacks are simple circles concentrated entirely on killing you when danmaku is supposed to be about beauty and elaborate patterns) so I could see that.
She has minions to some extent, so I could see giving her the Actual stats (her Other for Gatecrasher being hell fairies, who she refined into "pure" beacons of life and impurity in order to use them as weapons).
A being who holds a deep resentment for the Lunarians.
She herself is a spirit who has been purified by that resentment.
By now, she has no need even for information on what exactly she is.She had a deep grudge against Chang'e, one of the Lunarians.
Details are included in one of the game's endings, so things will be kept brief here,
but it seems that she calmed her rage against the sages by repeatedly attacking the Lunar Capital.
Her first grudge came about when her husband killed her child, but said grudge has already been purified
to the point where her anger stands on its own.
vivid wraith
Heart-Eater's statblock complete!
obsidian dagger
I just wrote the intro fiction for Minotaur today and then stopped for the day early...
vivid wraith
i've got a lot of bullet points to fill out but i'm feeling good about being done or mostly done by jam start
obsidian dagger
On the topic of Gensokyo as a chancel... I found a fanfic where Gensokyo's creation did cause 100 deaths. But this fanfic is an AU where, besides everything else, it failed and there's no alternate universe, just a crater... but there's still the conceptual idea there, I agree.
obsidian dagger
Two random thoughts:
- Chimata Tenkyuu also seems like a Power, although a much, much weaker one than Yuyuko. But she possesses "the ability to allow people to relinquish things", and without it, nobody would ever be able to sell anything ever because they just... wouldn't be able to voluntarily relinquish ownership of it. Even if they let someone else use it, they'd still own it. That just seems like the sort of thing a Power would do.
- Is there a Power of Geocentrism?
vivid wraith
maybe heliocentrism is a mimic
obsidian dagger
That would be a terrifying idea. Once the heavens did a great, complicated, beautiful dance, and now it's all just... circles.
obsidian dagger
There should not be another Actual student at School. And there's already the Idol, so we don't need another "prince of School"-type character, either. That said, consider a very popular Actual. Who gets some pathos, because they want friends, but by the very nature of their existence convert people around them into sycophants and lackies instead.
vivid wraith
Billy Sovereign good ending (it's not a good ending)
obsidian dagger
I was thinking about a story related to Billy Sovereign, actually! See, the source material intentionally equivocates on whether or not Billy Sovereign is a person or not.
My idea was that, basically, he isn't a person... but he's close. And then, one day, he grabs Chuubo, and Suzy makes him more like them in order to physically shrink and weaken him slightly, and that accidentally is enough to kick him into becoming a person and he Does Not Know How To Deal With It.
vivid wraith
ohohoho
obsidian dagger
Like, normally, if he can't get someone to do his homework, he just fills in the answers and gets an adequate grade. But this time, he ended up looking at the questions, and thinking of what answer to put in!
Like, not even guessing, because that's still decision-making. It's just random decision making. He just... filled in answers.
Possibly this could be combined with my other School-related idea, which is a secret teacher who lurks in School's abandoned classrooms and inflicts the Curse of Babel on students in order to be able to teach them foreign language classes.
gloomy oasis
I know what you mean, but the phrase "Actual student" makes me wonder what everyone else is if not students for a bit.
narrow tartan
When I read the Jenny Merrow sidebar I read Jenna Moran and had questions
narrow tartan
I focus on Tangled History in Allegorical because it is kind of a metafictional power?
frank light
its pretty cool as a power
narrow tartan
And. It can be applied as a judgement of a someone as a fictional chRacter
Like. Super heros do not necessarily have A Tangled History in universe but from our perspective they dk
frank light
To be fair even characters with tangled history don’t know they have tangled history
It’s not like they’re aware that their miracles are mechanically a bunch of separate types of actions
And imperial miracles feel even less like abilities and more like truths
narrow tartan
nods i see
I think. i would vary that a little. Like.
Warmains would understand that they have a Tangled History but think of it as normal.
Fallen and Wildlords would view it as a shift in focus because they think they were already there.
And Serpents just don't notice anything unusual
frank light
maybe?
i mean to me its like
the act of using it isnt perceived as editing yourself into history
its an imperial miracle so what happens isnt exactly...visible
its just sorta true fact
narrow tartan
Thats fair
narrow tartan
Hmm metaphysics.
And. Power usage
What level would you put A Tangled History on a miracle ladder? Nobilis 3e or Glitch style
narrow tartan
nods
narrow tartan
I think I like the thought of a Tangled History being sort of known (depends on the game and character) because I feel like it touches on something in a deep way that nothing else does.
Or not a lot of stuff does.
Just. Conceptually I feel like it is one of the most interesting miracles for showing how nobolis miracles work
Or something
vivid wraith
It's pretty cool!
narrow tartan
The thing that makes it special. Is that it is a diagetic narrative effect. And. It changes the world in a way that would be hard to do without borrowing nobilis metaphysica
Hmm. Are there any interesting non-imperial PC level being arcsets worth talking about?
obsidian dagger
...what do you mean by that?
vivid wraith
frank light
Hmm. Are there any interesting non-imperial PC level being arcsets worth talking...
WDYM
oh sorry
ahem
wdym
magic mason
I ❤️ Actuals
narrow tartan
Loud Karen
frank light
Actuals have a lot of non imperial arcs that are cool
And mimics…technically so as well
Since they’re not imperial but use those arcs to pretend to be any other type of splat and follow stories of being a bit broken
magic mason
Actuals have a very strong set for like “main character heroes”
narrow tartan
So. When people add new types of full four attribute miraculous being to Nobilis (not one offs or stuff a bit lowee in the power scale) they tend to add Imperators. Or Excrucians. This makes sense actually because Imperators automatically tie into their worlds. Maybe... The Imperator ttpes I have come up with don't really have any setting
Also. Yeah actuals kind of do.
Need sleep
frank light
Oh right
narrow tartan
And. Things added to the tree of worlds that could get a full splar write up like the Glitch appendix which are not Imperatora
magic mason
So. When people add new types of full four attribute miraculous being to Nobilis...
Oh you mean other niches to put things in?
Well a personal fav is “what if something used (X Setting Element) to achieve divinity” or just “fuck you I don’t gotta explain shit”
The Zu are very fuck you I don’t gotta explain shit
narrow tartan
Yeah.
narrow tartan
Botanists
frank light
Weird devils!
magic mason
Non-Excrucian Void Beings is another personal fav
frank light
Non excrucian void beings are great
narrow tartan
Weird devils!
Karen your devils are Imperatora
frank light
Those devils aren’t weird
They’re just devils
I’m Talkin weird devils
Things that are more closely associated with yokai n shit
I should sleep though
Fndmdhjdsh
narrow tartan
nods
magic mason
I am still really proud of the minisplat I made for a hypothetical far roofs in nobilis setting
Where the Devils had Flore and Wounded, and the Flore was pitched as how they did that “deal with the Devil” stuff
But also
The fact they are being Flore about it is a strong energy
magic mason
Yeah.
Stuff to base a god type off of
- weird red tooth scenarios
- gods from lacuna
- gods from specific properties of the world ash
- gods from the void, like the ones Cneph killed
narrow tartan
Oh yeah.
narrow tartan
I am still really proud of the minisplat I made for a hypothetical far roofs in ...
I have that list saved actually
magic mason
Awwww
narrow tartan
Is a good list
I think. One arcset that I found very cool. Feom tumble. Was for the children of imperators. And it was Holy, Visage, Style, and Prophet.
And just. It was noted that a fair number of tiem never realize that they are miraculous
obsidian dagger
I decided to look at some inventions from The Incomparable Leonardo de Montreal! And I had forgotten some of these:
Also, his Mechanism of Original Sin needs to periodically be fed type-A blood or it stops working. Leonardo de Montreal has type-B blood. You know who has type-A blood? Chuubo and Seizhi.
magic mason
Oh that is funny
narrow tartan
I like the idea of nuclear weapons being miraculous.
candid compass
they are mundane, but a nuke can still hurt miraculous beings pretty heavily
fleet harbor
It’s a lot of fire
frank light
it is the definition of overwhelming force
narrow tartan
They are mundane by the rules. But I am specifically saying I like the idea of them being in universe miraculous
And like. Humans doing something that breaches the miraculous which really scared the Rule (and ti a lesser extent the Game)
fleet harbor
That could be interesting, especially if there's no like ... proper mythic explanation for how that's happening
Why does splitting an atom release a giant miraculous explosion even though atoms don't exist?
Nobody knows but they're fucking terrified that it's happening
frank light
It’s powerful enough force that even gods are a tiny bit worried about that kinda thing
Even if the forces released are fundamentally mundane it’s a LOT of fundamentally mundane forces
narrow tartan
Hmm.
This time on Mythbusters: Would eating Humanity make you a god? Let's find out.
vivid wraith
we gotta
narrow tartan
I still like the idea that the Brightlord of Elevators is trying to get people into space
obsidian dagger
I'm trying to figure out if Okina Matara from Touhou would be more like a Noble or a Ruler. Probably a Ruler? I'm not sure if her domain is just Backdoors (her primary focus) or if she's an Imperator of Backdoors, Noh, Astronomy, and Silkworms (or somesuch).
A hidden god who lurks behind all things in creation.
She has a wide range of public faces-- an Earth mother goddess, a god of noh, a god of stars, a god of silkworm breeding, a god of hindrances, a god of discriminated peoples, et cetera.Nobody knows what her true nature really is.
She's the ultimate secret god, whose true form must never be seen, heard, or spoken of.Her status as a "secret god" doesn't mean she's hiding or anything, though.
At times, she makes ostentatious public appearances to show off her grand presence.
also canonically uses a wheelchair sometimes which the community is... 🙃 about.
frank light
oh my god
magic mason
Thinking about Fallen as the Mother
The Jungian Archetype of The Mother that is
it was mentioned that Fallen are connected to it in a Jenna blog post
vivid wraith
hmmmmmmmmm
obsidian dagger
I have not made progress on Minotaur yet. Thank you for reminding me that I still have errantry to handle yet also; I mostly just remembered the mechanical writeup and the "how to start a Minotaur story" stuff. I don't know the word for it in Froofs terms but in Chuubo's terms the XP actions that start it would probably be Black, which is appropriate for True God splats?
Minotaur is about "every day the same" and the way you represent that is with a montage, which in Chuubo's terms would be a Transition.
fleet harbor
Thinking about region properties
obsidian dagger
In what context?
I once did a fun thing where a character used A Keeper of Gardens to add "The horrors of the outside world are kept at bay" to a sub-region which still had "This is not your home. This is not where you belong." and I'm still weirdly proud of that.
...for what it's worth it was an attempt to describe Adventure Time in Chuubo's terms. Not entirely an original idea.
But just... even if a place is declaratively safe, even if the horrors of the outside world are definitionally held at bay, that doesn't mean it's a good home, sometimes. You can hide in a storm shelter all you want, and it's a perfectly fine, safe place to bunker down and wait out the storm, but if you're actually living there rather than just temporarily sheltering there... well, it's not right, you know? You hide from the danger, but eventually, you have to come out and return to your proper home.
But that's kind of what happens when you try to make a home in a region with these properties:
- This is not your home. This is not where you belong.
- Remnants of the old world are dangerous and confusing.
- Horror lurks beneath the surface.
- You must remember that which was repressed.```Plus, of course, the general Adventure Time campaign properties:
- Things will get better. Your wounds will heal.
- Everything changes, but deep down, everything stays the same.
- Music banishes disharmony.```I gotta come up with some for Called Away
obsidian dagger
What's the Element or Mood you're going for?
fleet harbor
Judgment is the estate
A sort of legalistic, classifying, scrutinizing judgment
So far I’ve got “eliminates ambiguity, defines everything”
obsidian dagger
So, something physical that eliminates and defines things would be light. I'm thinking of a lot of street lights, and maybe orderly tiles?
It would be tricky, though, since judgement is so... not "subjective" per se, but it's very much a thing that people do.
fleet harbor
The realm is a court and a library
fleet harbor
It would be tricky, though, since judgement is so... not "subjective" per se, bu...
Part of it is that this is a place which, by its nature, tries to eliminate that subjectivity and wiggle room, classifying and categorizing all things perfectly
This is not a good place
obsidian dagger
So maybe something where, instead of saying that judgement does it, say that books do it?
fleet harbor
Like this place is also the same character's Wounded Angel apocalypse
obsidian dagger
Oh that's fascinating.
In general, just think of the properties of judgment, then replace the word "judgment" with something that exists in the region.
fleet harbor
Oh that's *fascinating*.
And the biomechanical angelic judge of this place is also also her Child of the Ash kaiju form :D
(Child of the Ash 2/Wounded Angel 1/Called Away 0)
obsidian dagger
I mean, linking the Green arcs just makes sense.
fleet harbor
The Chambers of the Eye
- Ambiguity is eliminated and definition is created.
- All things are subject to judgment, and they get what they deserve.
- Authority and hierarchy are unquestionable.
- Understanding of systems, knowledge, and power are synonymous.
- The future is predictable with adequate knowledge of the past.
- There's a place for everything, and everything is in its place.
- Errors compound over time.
Thoughts?
restive ridge
Oooh
fleet harbor
It occurs to me that "a place for everything" and "all things are subject to judgment" are pretty conceptually similar
"Power is harnessed to appropriate ends"?
restive ridge
"The world is right" ?
frank light
Oh man this is great
narrow tartan
Hmm. Do serpents dungeon crawl?
Maybe not. True gods might
Thinking about how. Strategists are associated with Mysteries, Drama, Slice of Life, and Monster of the Week plots
Which sort of correspond to their arca
vivid wraith
True Gods very likely dungeon crawl
narrow tartan
Specifically. I think Symbolic is the arc that would be associated with exploring. Symbolic representation of your own self?
Which suggest that Madeline Celeste is actually a True God
tall jolt
I would like more Jenna games 🥺
candid compass
The Name of Caladrius is...
- Compassion; the honest wish to help another and make the world a better place
The Heralds of Caladrius are...
- a ray of sunshine from an overcast sky, a refreshing breeze, plants arranged in beautiful patterns, kindness freely given
The Weapons of Caladrius are...
- its faithful wards, its vines and wings, its kindness dulling the hate in your heart
Caladrius is drawn to...
- those down on their luck and in need of help, sites to build new gardens, the things that ail the world around it
Caladrius kills you by...
- To truly lose yourself in the peace of Caladrius' realm is a death of self; it will mourn the loss of you, but accept a new ward into its care
You may kill Caladrius by...
- tearing out its heart after it trusted you, slaying those it cares for, driving it into despair
Caladrius is reborn when...
- someone with true kindness in their heart takes it upon themselves to restore one of its gardens
Caladrius draws powers from Gardener, Sentimental*, Prophet, and Worldwalker
The Name of Tindalos is...
- Spite; the grim satisfaction to strike back against that which once hurt you, abusing your power over another
The Heralds of Tindalos are...
- the dark and bladed mist, space that seems to stretch forever, strange angles and geometry, a feeling of dread running down your spine
The Weapons of Tindalos are...
- the infinite blades of its body and soul, its mastery over space and geometry
You turn Tindalos aside by...
- fearlessly standing your ground, showing it sympathy
Tindalos hungers for...
- new prey to torment, seeing the strong and powerful driven low, taking what you are from you
Tindalos kills you by...
- cleaving you apart with its blades, hunting you to exhaustion, shearing your self from you
You may kill Tindalos by...
- making it feel love once more, blunting its hatred for the world
Tindalos is reborn when...
- someone carves their soul into a blade in spiteful hatred
You may escape Tindalos' attention through...
- enduring its torments without complaint, professing your own hatred for something
Tindalos draws powers from Indomitable, Accursed*, Creature of Fable, and Wounded Angel
did a little Book of Names card for two Mystery ideas I had
vivid wraith
heck yeah heck yeah
narrow tartan
You know. Shows like Amphibia, Gravity Falls, and the Owl House. Far Roofs except you invade a chancel and kill an imperator would work
obsidian dagger
I mean, the default campaign is chasing down Hedge the Fang's home base on the Furthest Roofs, which isn't the same but is closer than you might think!
frank light
true
obsidian dagger
...since I got to thinking of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance... that's probably the most Deceiver-core videogame there is. Like. Glitch made Strategists sympathetic, and FFTA (and probably the Matrix, come to think of it) does the same for Deceivers.
Actually, come to think of it, the Deceiver arcset is generally applicable for isekai protagonists. They even have a Cheat skill.
narrow tartan
Oh I know it very close. Just. Specifically i find the idea of young adults specifically killing an Imperator funny
vivid wraith
^Harumaph explaining why he Glitched several fourteen-year-olds
obsidian dagger
...I think reincarnation-style transmigrators are probably more likely to have Frantic Red rather than the deceiver's Sickly Red, but if they just fell into another world as they are they're more likely to have Creature of Delirium and the general Deceiver splat?
I don't know why I think this, per se... but it feels clear.
Reincarnated isekai protags might be Gamers actually, keeping the red and black, but making them frantic rather than sickly.
I haven't read Dr. Stone but does he qualify as a Prophet of Science?
fleet harbor
True Gods very likely dungeon crawl
True Gods are dungeon crawls :D
narrow tartan
Hmm. I find trying to match character types to specific splats to be odd
narrow tartan
True Gods *are* dungeon crawls :D
Specifically. I think Symbolic might be associated with the externalization and exploreation of the psyche
In various forms
Well. Ganes like Silent Hill and Persona
Not necessarily the personal stories but the sort of group stories
narrow tartan
Cosmic cat (imperators?) who get up to such adorable activities as trying to catch angels or shoving worlds into the void
vivid wraith
yes
YES
narrow tartan
nods associated with fate, predestination, innocence, light, physics jokes
Might just call them Manticore because they are more amusing than the previous idea I called Manticore
candid compass
> The Name of Tindalos is...
> - Spite; the grim satisfaction to strike back aga...
did a little short fiction for this Mystery
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sEvEml_iyPYAdLs8IXa2vMq9QsXy34rl4UsWqEAtE0w/edit?usp=sharing
vivid wraith
YEAAAAAH
restive ridge
Oooh
magic mason
chat I am a genius
what if the Prophet Relics for gamelords are literally relics of the gamelord themselves
Mummified pieces of their previouss body
narrow tartan
...huh
narrow tartan
If I ever do homenrew mystery properly. One of them will be Cyborg whose name is Relentless
vivid wraith
excellent
that might be hydrate's player character actually
don't let that stop you
reef perch
bar divine intervention there won't be much left of the character in question that's human by the end of things
vivid wraith
you are divine intervention
reef perch
i'm just the destiny wrangler
vivid wraith
https://stepnix.itch.io/heart-eater
rough draft is up, layout will happen when it is not 1am
reef perch
🎉🎉🎉
acoustic dagger
I do layout things
vivid wraith
i'll handle this one but i appreciate the offer
obsidian dagger
I might take you up on that offer if when I finish my entry.
acoustic dagger
Waow
My skills have improved further recently
I’ve been enjoying girl.png insertion to my docs
obsidian dagger
Okay. I'm reading Cheating Detective Satori. And a character is described as ||"Casualty of the Barrier"|| so that's further canonical support for the ||Gensokyo as Chancel|| reading.
Can only imperators make Chancels? Or would it theoretically be possible for someone else to do so, if they particularly wanted to?
Chuubo's is genuinely a great system for representing Touhou and especially the side manga, though. It's a good system for a setting where character's theoretical maximum power levels are really absurd, but that's not relevant, because nobody ever goes all out due to the spell card system and politics and laziness.
Also Reimu is extremely good at fighting things and has a power that makes her able to theoretically become briefly invulnerable (sealed by the spell card system), and this isn't relevant because the biggest threats she faces in most of the manga is usually to do with her poverty, or else with her not knowing who to fight. If she actually fights someone, nine times out of ten, it's treated as a given that she'll win.
Also... I don't know why, but Reimu and Marisa just generally feel like protagonists of different genres of story.
And I'm half-convinced Kosuzu Mootori is a good example of Reality Syndrome 1 in fiction, since normally you give someone Reality Syndrome if they have a power that's blatently cheating but Kosuzu doesn't have that (yet).
Reimu is Gensokyo's least successful girlboss. Marisa is Gensokyo's most successful failgirl. Together, they fight and/or commit crime.
actually, what mostly happens is they fight crime together and commit crime separately.
gloomy oasis
Except in Silent Dinner in Blue, where they committed crime together.
narrow tartan
restive ridge
Green Galactus is my fav Nobilis NPC
narrow tartan
Oh. I successfully made Lupe a freak. Just rips face off of dead imperator and pockets it
vivid wraith
WOOOOOOO
restive ridge
vivid wraith
yeah
fleet harbor
Pretty much
narrow tartan
My philosophy isn't warped!
fleet harbor
Starting to really like the way XP works in Chuubo’s
frank light
Nice!’
vivid wraith
Starting to really like the way XP works in Chuubo’s
share your takes/wisdom
fleet harbor
A lot of games want to do roleplay XP
The problem is that this is ultra-subjective and while it's meant to be an incentive it ultimately ends up feeling like it penalizes players who are shy or awkward or just not very good roleplayers
XP actions and quest XP in particular circumvent that problem by mechanizing the process, allowing a player to do what they're comfortable with, to some degree (while potentially encouraging them to push their boundaries)
And while Emotion XP is a little bit more subjective, because it operates within a pretty narrow band it doesn't exactly require rich improv skills or extreme nuance
Moreover, this all speaks to the need for optimization that some players have
Because the mechanical structures and incentives are clear, it synthesizes a pattern of behavior for a game or a character in a way which does not end up feeling inorganic.
Or at least, that's what I'm noticing so far
In some ways it feels like a prototype for the concept I hear people saying WTF is?
frank light
Chuubos is an amazing game that really hits the actual goals of “making a game that’s good for telling stories” well
Considering it’s entire structure is based around story arcs
fleet harbor
Thinking about stuff like this is good IMO because most players are not, in fact, professional improv comedians
frank light
Yeah!
fleet harbor
A lot of players are awkward dorks who feel more comfortable engaging with systems than just making stuff up, in fact
And a good system can help to bridge that gap
frank light
Mhm mhm
I’m super excited to see how you interact with it! We’re only at the first chapter and it is merely setup for what is to come
frank light
Nodnod
narrow tartan
Nods.
fleet harbor
Like I remember being in a short-lived Exalted 3E game
And Exalted 3E has xp rewards for roleplay and stunts and whatnot
But in the game I was in we just assumed everyone got the maximum of that bonus XP per session
And I get the impression that's pretty much the norm
Because like ... ultimately you don't want to penalize someone for being shy or having a bad night
frank light
Yea
narrow tartan
I should write hp miracle ladders for angels, for reasons
frank light
https://stepnix.itch.io/heart-eater
HEART EATER HEART EATER HEART EATER
obsidian dagger
Question: is this Divine Mandate for Reimu? Since she shows clear signs of Gatekeeper, and honestly might have the whole Angel splat... I'm not sure if her hanging out with Youkai is actually as OK as she thinks it is, though.
vivid wraith
That might be her "you're not suspicious enough of your enemies" from gatekeeper
obsidian dagger
No, she definitely has that too. I'm trying to figure out if it's also on some level OK for her.
From Lotus Eaters of Paradise, the single most Gatekeeper panel to ever exist:
The fact that Akyuu is saying that it's kind of OK for her to not be the enemy of all youkai makes me wonder if she also has divine mandate. She probably has it for something, given her plethora of flaws.
obsidian dagger
What power set would give Reimu's "intuition"? Or would that just be a bond? It almost feels like Renegade. Or Chosen One could do it, but that would be more likely be some sort of communion with divine spirits (which she occasionally does), I feel like.
I also... is Kosuzu on a Gold arc or not? It ends with talking about an "Exciting daily life" (Purple/Shepherd 5), and the way she interacts with Youma books I could see her being on some sort of Blue arc, but I also feel like she's training Reality Syndrome.
fleet harbor
Today's idiotic thought is that Gatekeeper is pokemon except the pokemon will betray you
restive ridge
No that one is correct
fleet harbor
Thinking about combinations of miraculous attributes in light of my Chuubo’s character
Who has Wounded/Vastness/Wanderer
restive ridge
What power set would give Reimu's "intuition"? Or would that just be a bond? I...
Probaly an Aspect gift or her player deciding to play the straight-man dis campaign
still blaze
EAR -THEATER
narrow tartan
Lord Entropy as a Ability 7 true god
vivid wraith
hehe
fleet harbor
That's why he's so good at basketball
tall jolt
Theres no rule that the embodiment of evil can't play basketball!
narrow tartan
Least soggy Strategist.
Ability 7 Wyrd 2
fleet harbor
Not Flore or Eide?
frank light
Wyrd 2 let’s them revenant for free
fleet harbor
Aha
fleet harbor
Hey is the thing in FLCL where Haruko pulls guitars out of people's heads Creature of Delirium
vivid wraith
probably
obsidian dagger
I'm trying to remember the few episodes of FLCL I watched, but I'm trying to figure out if it's Awakening.
It might be Creature of Delirium still, though.
fleet harbor
Haruko hits you with her base and then a guitar grows out of your head
The guitar is probably your libido?
And/or your ambition/adulthood/will?
obsidian dagger
primordial: I wield your Element
prophet: I wield my Element
awakening: you wield my Element
So, since she's wielding other people's puberty, does that make her Primordial???
(statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged)
vivid wraith
cook
fleet harbor
Gatekeeper
obsidian dagger
So. I'm reading something very weird, and because my brain is broken and I don't know if Nietzsche actually said something to this effect or if this name is made up here, I feel the need to share it here:
Nietzsche saw tragedy differently. For Nietzsche, God was dead and only the flesh was real. There was only the indifferent Great Bureaucrat of the material universe, Chancellor Entropy, apathetically offering humans a form to fill out, with just one simple check-box choice: “death or booga booga?”
fleet harbor
That’s … not not his deal but I feel like it sort of misuses a couple of concepts and largely misses the point
obsidian dagger
Yes, but I was brain-melted and saw something about someone named Entropy and reflexively shared it here.
fleet harbor
Wounded Angel is fun
vivid wraith
it is!
frank light
it issssss
restive ridge
I love sanctifying my wounds so I can make a city drown in a rain of boilling blood
narrow tartan
Ooh
frank light
transgender Jonah magnus and the vast/buried are having a girls night-
Chuubos let’s you do some silly stuff
magic mason
Holy shit
narrow tartan
...wuh
narrow tartan
Hmm. I cannot properly figure out what kaiju Madeline Celeste would look like unless i beat the game
narrow tartan
But. I imagine her Kaiju form is some sort of bottomless pit/endless mountain. Her Principle would be Failure. And her Element would be precipuce/jumping puzzles
She can act through precipice. But her mood transforms the world around her into jumping puzzles
Also presumably eyes are involved. Havent gotten that far into the game
gloomy oasis
Celeste spoilers ||The eyes are actually Theo's thing. He's always taking Instagram photos, and when he's trapped in the crystal, the eyes follow him, not Madeline.||
ruby ivy
But. I imagine her Kaiju form is some sort of bottomless pit/endless mountain. H...
celeste's kaiju form is one of those blue yelling blocks
narrow tartan
~~celeste's kaiju form is one of those blue yelling blocks~~
I dont think I am as of yet familiar with the blue yelling blocks
True God, Fallen, Serpent, Mimic, Gamer...
Means I don't have OC Angel, Wild-lord, or Ruler OCs.
I should also. Actually think about the personalities of those OCs.
reef perch
warmain. test involves eating enemies - if they pass it, he copies the ability
obsidian dagger
I hate how well that works. Do Warmains get anything Purple?
obsidian dagger
Yeah, Kirby is friendly in some kinds of "yeah I just fit in now" ways.
reef perch
indomitable/monstrous checks out given his protagonist-nature (and is supported by lore, at that!)
obsidian dagger
Primordial also fits with his power-copying.
reef perch
i can kinda see it
either way, warp stars seem like a viable mechanism of transport, strengthening the allegory placement
obsidian dagger
I suppose his legendary weapon would be the Star Rod, then?
restive ridge
what IS kirby
The flute that contains Cneph
restive ridge
(It became a pink ball with the help of the Fairy Queen)
obsidian dagger
Do you think Reimu has Allegory? Or that "the Hakurei shrine maiden" does?
Given the rumor that the Hakurei shrine maiden is connected to the spell card system.
obsidian dagger
What is Kasen, actually? The obvious answer is "Zu ||but actually Mimic||" and I'm trying to figure out if that works properly.
vivid wraith
chuubo's is going great
frank light
Yeah
obsidian dagger
What arc would be most likely to be able to learn arbitrary facts by looking them up in a handy-dandy Scout’s Guide to Everything?
I feel like “has a guide to weird stuff du jour” and “has a guide to everything” are different.
candid compass
does Gatekeeper actually have Investigation, I forget?
frank light
I will answer after dinner
vivid wraith
does Gatekeeper actually have Investigation, I forget?
not seeing any power named Investigation in BoGH
candid compass
it's a power Strategists have from Lore in Glitch
Investigation can let you learn stuff about arcana of your Sphere, Greater Investigation can let you learn clues about basically anything or at least find out where you can learn more
frank light
i think
i THINK
there is a power from troubled that got transferred over
yup
frank light
i mean i guess like
what would it even do that the basic intention system doesnt
you do have a technique
and a Talent equivalent
frank light
but "do cool mundane and cinematic effects" is probably covered by a superior skill or magical skill
true
candid compass
unless it just gives a Superior or Professional skill already
frank light
oh!
i see here
jenna was planning to add stunt at some point
book of golden hours is just o l d
vivid wraith
yeah