#Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)

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frank light
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Flore is super neat

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It has its obvious dna with treasure but it’s got some neat stuff

candid compass
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Flore is dangerous for a Strategist, because it blunts your hatred for the world 😛

fleet harbor
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It's also the only stat Strategists share with Nobles, which is really interesting

frank light
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Yeah

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I assume the divine source of it is different, since explicitly flore is still a voidborn power for strategists
And for nobles it’s probably born out of their divinity

But the concept is the same. Caring about something exalts it

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And you must immerse into the world to exalt it

fleet harbor
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I was thinking earlier that Strategists have a lot of parallels with Angels

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Like there's no 1-to-1 stat correlation

frank light
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Lore

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Ish

fleet harbor
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Other than that

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But just like in terms of the things they can do

frank light
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Yeah

fleet harbor
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Eide has shades of Holy and Aspect

frank light
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In terms of what they sorta represent too

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Both of them have a very…moral judgement energy baked into them. Angels think you are redeemable…strategists disagree

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But they both have a deep core of judgment baked right in

fleet harbor
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Strategists and Angels are also by default the ones who can be Really Good At Magic, no?

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Do any other stats interact with magic specifically?

candid compass
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not exactly

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but that's also because Magic is sort of its own weird thing kinda off to the side

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Adept is good at it because that's the whole thing about it
for you magic is not forbidden, you are Chosen

frank light
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They’re really good with technique

fleet harbor
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Aye, just thinking that Aspect interacts with it and Eide can interact with it

frank light
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Which can include magic

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Angels have a weirder relationship with magic but they’re really good at it

candid compass
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if your technique is magical then yeah you can be really good at magic

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via Stunting, Talent, and such

frank light
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I believe holy has a stunt equivalent but, yeah, Eide makes you a master at technique

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Aspect makes you a master at Ability

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And adept is a master of magic

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So Eide is like, I suppose between those

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But also living off in its own void reality

restive ridge
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An Angel and a Strategist at the same time: "The World is so Wrong and Impure God I hate that I am the only being capable of bringing it to an ideal state"

frank light
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Lmao yeah

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And then they make out or smthin idk

magic mason
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And then they kissed

frank light
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Same braincell

magic mason
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Yeah

still blaze
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Anyone tried to run Nobilis as a solo system?

restive ridge
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And then they killed eachother with the demon blade

still blaze
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There's no dice rolling so it might not work that well

frank light
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Btw
I might genuinely take my Heralded gift I wrote last night for aulitha.

It would be so funny.

restive ridge
frank light
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I guess that would be a solo system huh.

candid compass
frank light
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I am rewriting the fic and being less strict about tracking costs actually

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But I guess that does count

frank light
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She is a holy thing after all

magic mason
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Style can also be good at magic!
And hypothetically Monstrous but it would be rare

candid compass
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Inhuman Magic would be kinda fun

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but would probably need to be a fairly specific character

frank light
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Hey not a bad set of portents actually

candid compass
frank light
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Yeah!!

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That would be sick

magic mason
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Style and Monstrous are good at magic hypothetically for the same reason as Eide

frank light
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Maybe a magister of the wild who is magical

magic mason
frank light
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Like they have an estate that organizes magic like conjury

magic mason
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What is the restriction on your infinite magic

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That’s you can remove

frank light
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Tbf brace is less a specific keyword and more a reasonability restriction, that gets less apparent the better you are

magic mason
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I was imagining it was a Lesser vs Greater type deal

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In 4e miracle terms

frank light
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Maybe?

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Possibly

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Though if I’m being honest

candid compass
frank light
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I assumed it was a level 5 miracle and then the greater version turned you into a kaiju

candid compass
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that gets decreased at higher level

magic mason
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Concentration makes sense

frank light
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“Clearly, if you need to be stronger than stronger, you need to be a kaiju”

candid compass
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you gotta charge up your laser

frank light
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Like talent

magic mason
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Hmmm

Honestly I thought the Talent equivalent would be greater Inconspicuous, though I suppose that already kinda has a greater version

frank light
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Yeah

candid compass
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which tracks a bit more with the strength bracing in terms of being about narrative position

fleet harbor
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Special Aspect gift for use with necromancy

narrow tartan
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I made a ladder for monstrous once

frank light
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ive been
tinkering in the back of my head with

magnus archives chuubos. chuubos is lovely for more generalist "divine beings" system stuff

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and it has been infecting my brain

narrow tartan
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👀

obsidian dagger
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I wish I was capable of properly consuming podcasts because magnus archives has always sounded interesting to me but my brain just can't.

frank light
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That is fair

narrow tartan
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Senshi. Druid. Gardener, Wanderer.
Chilchuck. Swashbuckler. Eide, Allegorical.
Laios. Bard. Holy, Architect.
Izutsume. Rinley.
Falin. Princess. Princess, Princess.
Marcille. Mimic.

obsidian dagger
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There's so much happening here.

vivid wraith
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the decision to add a Rinley-specific miraculous attribute ("Rinley") in Nobilis 4.5 was controversial at first, but generally agreed to be a massive improvement to the system once the dust settled

frank light
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haahhaha

magic mason
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thinking about the guy who got dishonorably discharged from the skeleton wars in Far Roofs

fleet harbor
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Definite World Ash vibes

restive ridge
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Ooooo

drifting zinc
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That looks really cool

fleet harbor
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Angel or wildlord

gloomy oasis
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I mentally pronounce Nobilis "Knobless".

fleet harbor
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ruuuuude

frank light
narrow tartan
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Digimon

frank light
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Alternatively true god is funny

magic mason
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Wild Magister tends to be my default when they are extremely inhuman especially in a spacey way

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If only because the tidbit of “humans look like angels” sticks in my head

frank light
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True

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Though I like giving my angels some inhuman additions

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Plus we do know that angels can have appearances that are unnatural.

At least given that they’re described on occasion as having multiple faces and wings all opening sometimes

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Plus I think Jade irinka deserves 4 arms

fleet harbor
frank light
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WOLF MAGISTER

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TEN THOUSAND DOGS

restive ridge
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Wolf Magisters are real #Ibeliev

fleet harbor
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You know

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Arknights has "beast lords" who are the composite souls of thousands of years of both animals of a certain type as well as their kemonomimi descendants

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They're immortal, extremely powerful, and one of them is a penguin who invented rap music

vivid wraith
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Good for them

fleet harbor
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Who likes lava surfing

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I'm just sayin' this is imperator material imo

candid compass
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Emperor, Wildlord of Hand Guns, Logistics, and Rap

fleet harbor
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He was a classical composer before he invented rap

narrow tartan
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I tend to make up ninuani mames then forget what they mean.

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Also.

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My best warmain is known as Scissors. And I had forgotten her original name. Which turned out to be Skisker.

restive ridge
frank light
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Far roofs and their mysteries are increasingly charming me

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“This fucking beast technically maps to an actual splat but good lord it is not that splat”

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Harpy? I love harpy so much

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Harpy’s great

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Technically draws her ability from rules magisters

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However she is…so

So herself.
So murderous and monstrous

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She is notably also dead but

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That’s not really a problem

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Or god damn malambruno, who has become an amorphous mass of spores

vivid wraith
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Malambruno numero uno

fleet harbor
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Part of the charm of Chuubo's and by corollary Froofs is like ... there are ton of familiar concepts but the specificity of the old universe has sort of come apart

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(Also that it understands that the experience of being a teenager is not really that different from the experience of being the daughter of the sun but that's a different thing)

restive ridge
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(Yeah no thats right)

frank light
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it plays with a lot of the same concepts but also has some really cool unique things

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in nobilis
a giant monster isn't really the main focus

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the main focus is all this god politics n shit

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in far roofs, there are giant monsters! thats a bigger deal!

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and those giant monsters can have powers that work the exact same as excrucians or imperators but they dont actually...have to be related

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granted, typhon and malambruno and gorgon are explicitly connected to excrucians

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because theyre literally abhorrent weapons (gorgon is in fact Monstrous/colbrand)

fleet harbor
frank light
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but y'know
hedge the fang is just...i mean i dont even know whats goin on with that guy
absolute freak

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to be fair i think when it comes to the far roofs
these giant monsters arent really a known species- but yeah i see what you mean

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though in Glitch "giant monster arcanum" are a solid focus

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like those are factors in the world and life and plot

fleet harbor
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Yeah, I'm saying in Nobilis and Glitch something like that at least sort of would be

frank light
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anyway point is

Far roofs mysteries are really cool

fleet harbor
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Whereas in Chuubo's and Froofs things can be more on their own terms

frank light
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i mean king death might actually still be a normal imperator. like i think he might just be a normal wildlord considering he acts like an imperator and talks like one

fleet harbor
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proof of the victory of the outside

frank light
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but fuckin...harpy!

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harpy is just here!!!

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and typhon. who was originally just a golden whip taken from a far off land by excrucians

is now a giant kaiju snake with a mortal form who hates poor people

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i love typhon

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so much

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mysteries add a lot of spice

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and also may inform really cool ideas for miraculous arcanum but thats only because i think strategists deserve to interact with kaiju monsters more

restive ridge
fleet harbor
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Exactly

narrow tartan
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I have always been a wet blanket who wanted to force Abhorrent Weapons into the fixed box of an arcaset. But that is because I like boxes and want to geel smart

frank light
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It might work better in a Nobilis or glitch context

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Though in chuubos and froofs you are encouraged to diverge

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I’m playing a magician who might be taking Kaiju as a powerset

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And I might also diverge from the recommended powersets again! Who knows

frank light
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The Name of Beusula is 
RANCOR ~ Some kind of deep hatred or rage, usually undirected or aimless

The Heralds of Beusula are 
Broken Glass; crystals growing in puddles; water leaking through the floor; light rain, that doesn't soak so much as chill; cuts and scrapes you only notice later

The Weapons of Beusula are 
Her barbed and poisonous tail; the weight of her body or her spines; mystical and strange blights that make gemstones; water

You May Turn Beusula Aside by 
Being too injured from unrelated events to fight; Being too tired to continue fighting; Holding peace in your heart, at least for a time;

Beusula kills you by
Crushing you to death; poisoning you; stabbing you with her barbs; Shattering your mind into a thousand pieces; shattering your body into a thousand pieces; Shattering your identity and presence in the world into a thousand pieces; Generally anything else that she can do to you, including making crystals grow inside your blood and stab your heart

You may kill Beusula by
[This is currently unknown]

Beusula is Drawn to
Drama; Entertaining situations; Conflicts with little hope; People desperate enough to need her; Broken people; Rage

Beusula Hungers for
[This is currently unknown]*

Beusula is reborn when
Someone is desperate enough to need a weapon like her again; When someone is desperate enough to consider her a friend; When something immense and beautiful and powerful dies and its bones are left to rot

You may Escape the Attention of Beusula by
Faking your death and annihilation; already shattering your mind or body or both; dying; Making a deal with her, so that she may try to kill you in earnest at a later point; Helping her kill something even more impressive than you

*thought to be related to her name

Beusula, who is named Rancor, draws her power from Kaiju, Called Away, Cheat, and Indomitable
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Experience/Mood - Rancor
Hack - Shattering things
Realm - Flooded Crystalline caves
Form - Giant Serpent/Bone Dragon
Scale - Titanic/Tidal <=> Thin/Flowing
Shadow - Malonas which is named Destroyer

here's her important keywords

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Decided to post this here as well

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Made an abhorrent weapon from a glitch game into a mystery

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(Malonas cameo!)

vivid wraith
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she's heeeeere

frank light
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She’s hereeee

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…I think if I statted out Malonas she would have Kaiju as well, but also Symbolic, Indomitable, and Memet-WAIT FUCK THATS JUST EVELYNN

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God damnit

vivid wraith
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HAHAAHHAAHA

frank light
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Stepnix help

vivid wraith
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You keep making great characters idk what to tell you

frank light
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Fine fine they share the same statline sjhdkagsjag

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Malonas is an entirely different flavor though

restive ridge
vivid wraith
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Flore vs Lore

patent tiger
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So true

restive ridge
fleet harbor
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Heya folks! So! Yesterday, I started converting Karen's ongoing Nobilis game into a google doc campaign log for readability reasons. I have so far completed the transcription of our introductory threads and lore, before the beginning of the first major plotline. I think everyone involved with this has done a great job, and I've attempted to format it in a readable way. Check it out (crossposted with #tabletop-discussion ) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jOvkRA7-9x9IFZB4n5_-wifKcpBDAnMOCYBUpnuIPkk/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs
Won't Fit Right: Introductions

Won’t Fit Right: Introductions (OVA + Lorebook Collection) Learn about: the Diluvian Academy of Alchemy The Diluvian Academy of Alchemy is a school in another world, hidden and carved from the universe itself. It calls to those, on burner phones and mail delivered by snakes, who have been awake...

livid pulsar
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Looks pretty interesting!

frank light
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@fleet harbor would you be alright if I posted this in the ninuan discord? And if so would you like me to credit you’re discord id/username

fleet harbor
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You can absolutely post it if everyone else is on board. No need to worry about credit.

frank light
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Gotcha

fleet harbor
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Honestly I just want people to see what we hath wrought

frank light
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Me too :333

restive ridge
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Damn nobody told me there's a fucking Magical Girl running round the academy

fleet harbor
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Magical girls are a central plot point in this game :D

frank light
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They are

narrow tartan
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Uh. This set off my anxiety because reasons. But I think it is a good thing to get it out there. Just. Leave my screen name off of it

hollow spruce
restive ridge
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What if I dont

hollow spruce
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Then perish, I dunno

restive ridge
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Damn

fleet harbor
obsidian dagger
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so this little bit from a fanfic has strong energy of... Miramie Mesmer's friend from the Archive, but I don't remember her name, but you know the one?

We do not need toasters. Anything a toaster can do can be easily accomplished by a frying pan or a grill.

And yet we have toasters anyway, because capitalism makes it so that we do not have time to cook a deliberate breakfast in the mornings. We are too rushed to cook eggs and toast in a pan and do the dishes afterwards. All we can do is grab a yogurt, make instant coffee, and tap our feet impatiently while the toaster does its all-too-specific job.

The toaster is what lets us make it to work on time, but it is also another shackle of the twenty-first century. And I resent it.

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I don't remember her name but you know what I mean right?

narrow tartan
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Once before Glitch came out, before I was particularily familiar with Nobilis, precreated the idea of a Strategists sphere.

magic mason
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I was brainstorming potential SYSTEMs for the example cintamani-bearer cheat, how does this look chat.

cintamani-bearer SYSTEM

"Quick Learner"
By feeding an Arcanum to the cintamani, it gains the ability to manifest a niche but repeatable power to warp reality based off that word, I get to feed it five words of my choice as starting arcana for free when I gain SYSTEM. Once I use a power based off a word I cannot use a power based off that word again for the rest of the chapter. I can bend the application of the word beyond the single repeatable power written, but the effects become unpredictable and dangerous to both myself and the cintamani.
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my big worry is that it is too resource intensive

restive ridge
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Remembered making someone yandere to your Estate is a valid use of Bindings

magic mason
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Yeah

restive ridge
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Not really familiar with Froofs but it looks good but fairly priced, might end up overshadowing normal uses of Arcanum?

magic mason
narrow tartan
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Number of elf v-tubers confused to learn that there are people who pretend to be elves

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Oh. That. Style user who doesn't realize that they are not normal

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...Elf V-tuber with Style never noticed that other people aren't elves?

vivid wraith
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this guy has Style i think
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Gwelu_Os_Gar

Virtual YouTuber Wiki
Gwelu Os Gar

Gwelu Os Gar (グウェル・オス・ガール) is a male Japanese Virtual YouTuber affiliated with NIJISANJI. He debuted alongside Shirayuki Tomoe and Fuwa Minato, forming a trio known as "Yaoukoku" (夜王国, lit. "Night...

magic mason
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Headcanon: Goblin is a Goblin in the Green Goblin sense

Where he is mostly just a weird and fucked up guy, apperance wise at least

narrow tartan
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Was Goblin the one who sort of possesses people?

frank light
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No no goblin’s just an asshole

vivid wraith
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Sets convoluted traps

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(personally)
(He's not even just summoning them or whatever)

magic mason
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like he is such a hater his indomitable is Just Him

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his curses are just him, personally doing that shit to you

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putting razor blades in your food

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putting land mines next to your bed

narrow tartan
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nods cool

magic mason
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chat
I am curious now
does this look like a plague doctor or a man with a big collar to you

image.png
narrow tartan
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Plague doctor.

fleet harbor
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More big collar, but I can see both

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That said

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I'm not sure what I would have seen if both had not been mentioned

frank light
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Plague doctor was first for me

narrow tartan
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Plague doctor with a big collar

restive ridge
undone flame
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Frowning man with upturned chin

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and very big collar

magic mason
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(For conteext, this is The Goblin)

narrow tartan
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Huh.

fleet harbor
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Now imagining Goblin as Dr. Jekyll

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Not like pop-culture "this is a good man with a terrible curse" Dr. Jekyll

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"This is a jerk who invented a way to hide he's a jerk" Dr. Jekyll

restive ridge
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Yeeeeeessssss

frank light
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Genuinely plausible

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Goblin has a Shadow

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Who is I believe just as awful as him

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They’re just

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Different

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Which makes driving him away annoying

fleet harbor
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I'm now envisioning Goblin as a really distinctively horrible Victorian gentleman

candid compass
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Probably accurate

frank light
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It’s possible.
Goblin is reborn when someone is cruel enough to pick up his tools and do it again

fleet harbor
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Seems about right

narrow tartan
frank light
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Maybe!

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I interpreted it more like a mantle.
Like each goblin doesn’t remember the previous one but is like a title

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Being passed down

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But it could be possession

narrow tartan
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Nods. I would probably play it sort of in between.

fleet harbor
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The Roofs are all too happy to have there be a Goblin, and should no one else be playing the part, it's not difficult to take it for yourself

frank light
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Well typhon and harpy were there too

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And hedge

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So it’s got problems

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Oh and also the mystery that represents trauma too big to process

restive ridge
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Chenp the Maker cancelled for adding Unnecesarry Perception Scenes to his Media

fleet harbor
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I can't believe Cneph was cancelled by the woke void

narrow tartan
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Wait. Woke void doesnt sound right. Sleepy void maybe. Or grumpy to be awake void

fleet harbor
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That's why it's trying to destroy creation

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It got the woke

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And now it's grumpy

vivid wraith
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bunch of jenna stuff on sale rn

tall jolt
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I have a Noble concept for you all

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Noble of Names:
Defines and gives shape to something
Are a source of power
Effect the Supernatural stronger then the Natural

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Anti-Demon/Angel Noble mostly haha

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Probably hides his real name

fleet harbor
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Power of Names is good, yeah

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Dude can introduce himself in the dorkiest way

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"Names ... have power."

tall jolt
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lel

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I was thinking he had like a drawback/bane where he removed his own name

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So its impossible to define them

frank light
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I overlook my kingdom in eternity, humming a silent tune, absent notes echoing in the negative space of my chambers.

It isn't a solemn kingdom, a temple that isn't made of stone, that isn't in an ocean, that doesn't guard a constellation of chained labyrinths floating in the skies. Skies that aren't full of night and falling stars.

It isn't a place of silent nothing, rich in its absences. But one day, there is a distant rumbling. It was not *Not* a distant rumbling, but instead *WAS* a distant rumbling. It caught my attention, and the attention of my kingdom. It echoed through the absences of my halls, shook the Not-chains of the floating labyrinths.

I look to the disturbance, in curiosity and mild annoyance. The denizens of the great spear of fire, which appeared some time ago, or perhaps just at that moment(it did not matter), were the culprits. 

And there, I see it. I noticed it. The thing that was Wrong. The Sin, the Abhorrence, the Injustice. It Disgusted me.
And in Noticing it, it burst forth from the world. Chains that were not made of iron, but instead stone and salt, bursting forth from existence to pierce me.

And as I wailed in sharp divine agony, my kingdom crumbled, the temple that wasn't stone flooding with oceans that were not salt, chains that were not there shattering, and floating labyrinths scattering to the edges of Ninuan.

For the first time in my eternity, as the poison of existence seeped into my being, I felt rage, and I felt judgement.

This sin, it was not just a sin for what it has done to me, but it was a sin for what it represented. I looked upon its squirming flaming form, cupped within a flickering blue wall, I judged it, and found it *Unworthy of its existence, Unworthy of standing before the Not*

@fleet harbor

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She is aulitha, who’s bane is chains

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Her sphere is labyrinths and prison dimensions and the daemons within them

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She is a holy thing

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A truly holy thing from the Beyond

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…her current amnesia is a problem

narrow tartan
fleet harbor
frank light
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Thank you!!!!!

narrow tartan
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Giant arm-arcana, arm-cana, bursts through window and carries Strategist off to safety

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Hmm. Strategist trying to demilitarize her sphere.

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Hmm. Dumps thousands of finger guns and hand canons on the black market

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And other fire arms.

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I like how I have come up with a bunch of Arcana but not really defined what they would actually look like in practice

restive ridge
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Arcana are always hard for me

tall jolt
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What would be the most cursed philosophy+Concept mix do you guys think?

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Like Dark+Monkeys as just a random example

fleet harbor
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Do you mean Estate?

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I generally find that Rules/Light and Game/Dark can make anything worse

magic mason
tall jolt
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I just say concept

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because its easier to remember

fleet harbor
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Fair, just wasn’t sure

restive ridge
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Related note: The Player of Games is an incredibly Nobilis style book

narrow tartan
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Hmm. How hard should something without direct miraculous backing be to deal with?

magic mason
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Not that hard

narrow tartan
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Just. Thinking about. Mortals getting ahold of Arcana weaponry. And weird scenario involving a Strategist abandoning a huge army of Arcana in creation

magic mason
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Arcana are at the end of the day, also mortal level unless they are miraculous arcana

narrow tartan
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nods makes sense.

fleet harbor
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Hm ... Strategist energy?

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She's got a hat

restive ridge
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Hmmm

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Maybe

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She looks like she has too much Ability imo

candid compass
frank light
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Yeah

narrow tartan
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Of the league of legend void champions... Vel'Koz makes a decent Excrucian

magic mason
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he's like if a Warmain just wanted to keep testing and would actively derail anti creation plans sometimes so that he could keep testing

fleet harbor
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Folks I am here to present The Best Noble

The Rats, Power of Rats
Aspect 2, Domain 4
Superior Skill: Rat 5
Superior Skill: Kaiju 3
Affliction: We're the rats 5
Bond: I'm da giant rat dat makes all of da rules 5
Gift: I am all rats, everywhere, forever (7 CP for Greater Incarnation, automatic activation, anywhere, only literal rats though, uncommon)

vivid wraith
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🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀

frank light
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Ah that gif has some flashing

fleet harbor
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Just gotta think of estate properties

frank light
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This is better

frank light
fleet harbor
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“… are bigger than you thought”

restive ridge
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"... are very well coordinated in groups"
"Clumsy invidivually(a rat falls of a bridge in the original animation)"

frank light
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So true

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“Are destined for great things”
“Are the enemy of cats and owls”

frank light
fleet harbor
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Rats are …
… full of bravery and daring (2)
… easily underestimated (1)
… unstoppable in groups (1)
… dangerous to prey upon (1)
… destined for great things (2)

frank light
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Yessss

restive ridge
frank light
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I see

fleet harbor
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3 more points of bonds/afflictions that could be distributed

restive ridge
restive ridge
fleet harbor
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I like that last one a lot, tbh

frank light
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What about an affliction for making things wondrous and absurd in an aura

fleet harbor
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Affliction: Rats make the world wondrous and absurd (3)?

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That affliction’s just a mutually assured destruction agreement with the HG >_>

narrow tartan
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Its interesting seeing an estate given different vibes

tall jolt
fleet harbor
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True, that would fit

tall jolt
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Or almost everywhere maybe

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No sea or space rats as far as I know

obsidian dagger
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I mean, rats have to get onto sinking ships somehow in order to be able to flee them, right?

tall jolt
#

wat

obsidian dagger
#

have you not heard of rats fleeing sinking ships?

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I mean obviously they stowed away onboard, but that's what I'd call "sea rats".

narrow tartan
#

I am good at tying Estates together thematically IMO.

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There was a podcast with a one shot nobillis game

tall jolt
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yes but if its in the middle of the ocean they aren't rats, they are moving corpses that don't know they are dead yet lol if its a sinking ship

narrow tartan
#

And the Estates were Rats, Sand, and Self Deception

tall jolt
obsidian dagger
tall jolt
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THE PHRAOHS CURSE

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Throws Rat

narrow tartan
#

The Nobilis game I am might have a rat monster Chekhov's gun. Or it might never come up again

narrow tartan
#

I once. Had a line of thought. Sort of philosophical zombie but. Not. Someone with roughly the reverse of dementia anima? But from an outside perspective they are still pretty normal

vivid wraith
#

How would it be reversed?

narrow tartan
#

Like. Someone who interacts with the world in a close to normal fashion. But they do not perceive other people as people.

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The world consists of objects they interact with. Some interact back.

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I guess. Like the Chinese Room Thought experiment but the room is still aware, it just thinks the world consists of meaningless symbols

vivid wraith
#

iiiiiiinteresting

obsidian dagger
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...read Qualia of the Purple.

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It's about a girl who sees people as machines. Although interestingly, this leads to her treating all machines with respect.

narrow tartan
#

I have read spoilers. But will look into it

obsidian dagger
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It's one of those profoundly weird works which has permanently influenced me.

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...I'm tempted to mention one other work which isn't actually about this at all but is good and could humorously be described as being connected, but revealing its connection to this is a huge spoiler.

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It's an anime.

vivid wraith
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light novel/manga first i think

obsidian dagger
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The spoilery one I'm thinking of was an anime original I think. Qualia of the Purple is a manga (and possibly also an LN; I don't know).

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it was also an LN; I only read the manga, though.

obsidian dagger
#

petition to rename this channel to WTFroobilitch (do not do this)

magic mason
obsidian dagger
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Cursed! I love it.

vivid wraith
#

malambruno

magic mason
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yeah

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Shoutout to Far Roofs where you are terrorized by beasts of myth such as:

  • An Incel with too much time on his hands.
  • The Color Out Of Space.
  • Ojou Snake.
  • Philosopher who got so mad that someone didn't agree with him he decided to commit genocide about it.
vivid wraith
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all the classic office comedy archetypes

restive ridge
magic mason
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honestly I will post this in tabletop discussion

fleet harbor
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My favorite thing about bonds & afflictions is that you can just write on your character sheet: "in heaven and earth, I, alone, am the honored one (3)"

frank light
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Literally nothing can stop you

restive ridge
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(It makes so thay everyone on Earth and the Angels are all really impolite to eachother)

fleet harbor
#

Hm. Song titles that make for good bonds or afflictions

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"Affliction: Everybody Love Me, Baby"

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"Bond: Blood-Starved Beast"

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"Bond: Born To Run"

tall jolt
#

My favorite part about Nobilis is you can make a Noble of Nirvana and you'll never know till character creation if they mean the band or the state of being

fleet harbor
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Both

magic mason
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I was thinking about some ideas for what Domain pseudoestates would look like outside of the ones Warmains had in 3e and I came up with one I think is kinda interesting

A domain pseudoestate(I have no idea what splat this would appear on, could just use this as a spiritual element for Chuubo’s) that takes the form of a Particular monster which the miracles summon partially or entirely

So the miracle chart would be something like

0: sense when the monster is in danger
1: Make everyone hear the monster distantly roar, cause tentacles begin to sprout from the walls
2: Talk to the monster and learn about its history
3: Do pathfinder 2e summoner shit where you keep buffing the monster
4: Summon a small version/aspect of your minster to help you with shit, or summon particular limbs or attacks.
5: Send your monster away, learn what it sees through its all seeing eyes
6: Buff it even harder, make a prophecy around your monster
7: Summon the true form of your monster as a colossal Kaiju
8: Send that true form away
9: create a catalysmic or otherwise world shaking prophecy about your Monster

vivid wraith
#

I like this

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neat alt build for a dragon tamer character or something

magic mason
#

If I tried to put this in the normal setting it would be like
“What if a miraculous arcanum type mf tried to make a wish.com noble “

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Ancient dragons with breath weapons that melt away even immortal beings
Tentacle monsters with pseudo omniscience

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Trying for a divine agent

narrow tartan
#

Interesting

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I should dig up all of my ideas again

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And see which ones are good

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And. I definitely need to up my game on the Abhorrent Weapons I came up with

tall jolt
#

Anyone currently plying Nobilis and need a player?

acoustic dagger
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i didnt realize that i had glitch until that i saw i had glitch

frank light
#

The world is wrong like that

narrow tartan
#

What kind of vibe is feeling that your experience of the world is in some sense wrong or incorrect?

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Actually. I think that is just Actuals.

obsidian dagger
#

No, that's the Illusion issue.

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Or possibly Awakening, or Decievers.

narrow tartan
#

Huh. So if I am lucky I don't actually exist?

frank light
#

so true

vivid wraith
narrow tartan
#

I dont think I have reality syndrome.

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Like. With reality syndrome do you struggle with the viewpoint?

vivid wraith
#

hmm maybe not

frank light
#

Theft/creature of delirium is a big one

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Awakening too

obsidian dagger
#

Reality Syndrome is practicing a skill which is... askew from normal reality.

frank light
#

feeling alienated from the world could be any of the silver arcs

obsidian dagger
#

Creature of Delirium/Theft maybe?

frank light
#

reality syndrome is very much about the fact that you have a broken experience

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and that it sorta...works weirdly

obsidian dagger
#

And I'd argue that being alienated is Sickly, regardless of color.

frank light
#

true!

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accursed if you want the most alienation from the world

obsidian dagger
#

Of note, Reality Syntrome and Creature of Delirium are both Deciever things.

frank light
#

yup

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that they are

narrow tartan
#

Huh. Just thought of another way of saying the thing about deceivers I saw on tumblr and people expressed sjepticism.

restive ridge
narrow tartan
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Just, Jenna said the world was in some ways more hostile to Deceiver than it was to Strategists? And. Its that. Deceivers actively impose themselves on the world.

#

Huh. Deceivers are the Excrucians most capable of quitting the war. But when they quit they tend to leave the world

fleet harbor
#

Deceivers don't really have anywhere to go, do they? Given they can't navigate and are unfamiliar with Ninuan.

#

They've got their deepness dimension, but I'm not certain if they can just go there and hang out

candid compass
#

Non Host Deceivers are IMO most likely to just do some kind of independent thing

fleet harbor
#

It is an interesting comparison because for the Strategist, their horrible experiences are tethered to the miraculous; a Deceiver just has regular old mundane trauma.

frank light
frank light
# fleet harbor It is an interesting comparison because for the Strategist, their horrible exper...

Yeah.
I tend to disagree with the assessment that “number of sickly arcs = how much worse you have it” because that’s just also not really a fun way of comparing it.

It does mean however that as far as miraculous beings go, decievers are struggling a lot behind all their masks and kayfabe, they’ve got a nightmare of shit to deal with and it’s hard to deal with it.

Strategists have a pretty easy obvious problem to point to from which many other problems stem, but it’s also an inherently unsolvable problem

fleet harbor
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In the strategist's case, it doesn't matter how well you cope with it and the trauma it's caused you -- the chronic pain isn't going away. In the Deceiver's case, the problem is more the trauma itself and the fact that they have a long history of coping extremely poorly with it.

frank light
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And that all of your powers to cope with it involve twisting up the world in some way

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Or isolating/disconnecting yourself

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Persona sure does let you twist up the world in the vague experience of what broke you
Sealed sure does let you bring about your broken experience around you and let you interact with it physically(oh and give you a broken power)
Theft sure does let you rip people’s hearts out and throw them into the catharsis labyrinth
And deepness let’s you completely disconnect from the world and vibe as a philosophical argument or something

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(For example I’m fairly certain iolithae’s deepness manifests as her being her own lies)

fleet harbor
#

Can a Deceiver just hang out in Deepness World forever?

candid compass
#

Sort of

frank light
fleet harbor
#

Okay

frank light
#

That’s probably where their mystic arcs take place

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Their “opposite number” for those is usually someone else that’s in the same metaphysics or using a second self like them

candid compass
#

It's also not quite clear how Deepness looks like exactly for Deceivers now

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Since our main info on Deepness is in a Chuubo's context

frank light
#

So…other deceivers, mysterious miraculous philosophy arcanum equivalents, ruleslords, true gods, and the things in the drowning deeps are all solid possibilities for “opposite numbers”

#

I remember Jenna chatting about it
Corianders deepness is well…similar to his persona

#

He lives within and inside of “those who listen to coriander hasp”

candid compass
#

If we got a Deceiver book, their Deepness writeup might have some more specific things to them

frank light
#

I imagine deceiver deepness is variable based on their persona thing or pstate

But it does seem like for many of them it isn’t always a different world and more like a deeper mode of being

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Where they transform into ideas or concepts.

Though I’m certain some of them probably have a separate world instead

#

Some might even literally have “I see the world as a simulation”

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They fade away by taking off their headset

restive ridge
frank light
#

Perhaps the people that realize the world can’t be and don’t come back do that
Leaving the world and walking out into the beyond never to return

fleet harbor
#

Aye

#

I'm just thinking from a "can they just leave, if they want?" perspective

frank light
#

I think for deceivers, while they can spend all their time as a deep thing…that doesn’t mean they can actually leave

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The big thing with awakening arcs is that while they seem invincible, they’re sorta not
They’re still connected to the world.
And the truth about them is unlikely to be the thing it’s user perceives

fleet harbor
#

... mythical deceiver who has spent aeons hanging out in the deepness world and the PCs manage to haul them out/bother them towards some specific end but they are fuckin' mad as hornets

restive ridge
#

Ooooh

fleet harbor
#

Proposal: there's an occult belief among ghosts and the undead that revenants are death's chosen ones and that Strategists are those few who ascend to become gods of death, and strategists find this notion to be absolutely noxious

magic mason
#

That does track as something people would think

Though… I do feel like the fact revenants are in infinite suffering is pretty obvious

fleet harbor
#

Oh for sure but you see they're being tested by death to find those worthy of ascens--smacked in the head by an angry excrucian

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A warmain came up with this because she thought it was funny but in retrospect even she thinks it was unnecessarily mean

magic mason
#

Wyrd/Lore strategist who is on that Exalted Death Lord juice

narrow tartan
# frank light Are they?

Mhmm. Most capable of quitting creation is what I meant? Just that. A Strategist is tied to the world, the world also hates them.

#

But a deceiver imposes themselves on the world

candid compass
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It's tricky I think
They don't technically have something like a Strategists bane, but for a Deceiver to truly accept and be fine with the Lie is probably as ruinous as the Strategist ending books

narrow tartan
#

I have a joke thought. That for every Deceiver in Creation there are 99 in the Not complaining about how cringe those guys are

restive ridge
#

You are so right

frank light
#

have i posted my most well earned fugue token in here?

magic mason
#

not yet

frank light
#

it was such an out of pocket thing to say even a gamelord was like "....what"

#

stunned silence was ru's genuine reaction which seems...about right.
my most well earned and funniest fugue token i think

gloomy oasis
#

I don't know as much as I should, so why was Ru so shocked?

fleet harbor
#

She described her allegiance to creation as getting microchipped

frank light
#

yeah

#

its just a
very bizarre metaphor

#

to describe yourself as an exotic animal that got microchipped and domesticated

#

strategists

obsidian dagger
#

...thinking about Terraria for some reason, and wondering if the Guide's relation to the Wall of Flesh is best described via Awakening, Wounded Angel, or Child of the Ash.

magic mason
#

Holy shit, would you beeleive that me and karen have talked about this in the past

frank light
#

me and fluffy argued for called away believe it or not
but awakening also applies

#

we went with nearly all three "child of the ash" "awakening" and "called away"

#

the true god combo

frank light
obsidian dagger
#

Called Away is interesting, but feels wrong. I could see Awakening and Wounded Angel, and then the Guide gets to be a Deciever which would be quite funny.

#

if you know about the Official Terraria Lore™️ then the Wall of Flesh would have Wounded Angel since it's containing the "tainted spirits of light and dark". But that line of logic leads to a blasphemy inside another blasphemy.

magic mason
#

and we would lean into that weird story archetype that is kinda specific to true gods of slowly realizing that You Are Actually A Fucking Eldritch Horror

obsidian dagger
#

I suppose, yeah. That works.

#

If you care about the official lore™️ the Wall of Flesh is a Wounded Angel with the Hallow as its blasphemy. (and also the increased Corruption/Crimson spread speed technically.)

magic mason
#

Hallow is a pretty fun blasphemy tbh

#

just an explosition of Toxic Whmssy

#

Whimsy*

obsidian dagger
#

Allegedly it's the world's immune response designed to counter the Corruption/Crimson, and remove anything that threatens Terraria, which unfortunately includes you, the player. (Official Terraria lore is wild.)

magic mason
#

what if there was a corruption girl... and a crimson girl... and they were dating

obsidian dagger
#

There's surely fanart of it. I know people have made anime girl versions of all the terraria bosses, even or especially when they honestly probably shouldn't.

magic mason
#

I was visualizing both of them being part deep on the body horror bit
Like Elesh Norn levelsish

obsidian dagger
#

That's fair. Apparently, from what I've heard of all of this, the Crimson sounds like an Actual, but the Corruption (despite being mechanically very similar in the actual game) doesn't; it's made out of humanity's collective sins and aims to erase all of life and then itself so everything can start over. I'm not sure if it is, in some horrible way, natural or not. Meanwhile the Crimson is a fleshy hive mind.

magic mason
#

intereesting

#

.... give Corruption Strategist stats or something

#

like the idea of "We have to wipe it all away Because-"
is kinda strategist coded

obsidian dagger
#

Honestly the Hallow seems like it could arguably be Rules coded, weirdly.

#

I mean, "gradually spreading biome" doesn't sound like a Rules thing, but it could be a strange and heterodox application of Keeper of Gardens.

#

(I like the word "heterodox".)

frank light
#

they do have awakening and gardener
its possible!

vivid wraith
obsidian dagger
#

...I mean. Actually. I have further weird evidence for it: the Dryad NPC doesn't get as upset about spreading Hallow as she does about spreading Corruption/Crimson, and part of that's because it's arguably more natural... but I think that part of it might be because the Hallow (or the Empress of Light, possibly?) has a Divine Warrent that makes this sort of spreading infestation morally OK.

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Like, if anyone else went around spreading a single biome that overtook more of the world, it'd be evil! But this one's fine.

#

You summon the Empress of Light by killing a specific butterfly, but I don't know if that's a Creature of the Light thing or maybe more of an Indomitable thing (where those are her avatars, or her Inconspicuous Form, or maybe that's just Taboo for her). Anything remotely fairy-like and also scary is usually Indomitable in my book.

vivid wraith
#

Remind me which ones are the splat-specific stats

Wyrd/Accursed
Domain/Spiritual
Gardener...?
Visage/Become Somebody

magic mason
#

the splay specifics are

#

Wyrd
Domain
Visage
Prophet

vivid wraith
#

Prophet, that's the one i forgot

magic mason
#

Adept and Aspect are practically splat specific most of the time but Zu and Deep Things have them

vivid wraith
#

Right
i've promoted the Zu mentally, possibly because of Natalia

frank light
#

i tend to ignore the zu existing because they were not in any official materials that revealed their splats

#

but yes Adept and aspect are relevant to the deep things

vivid wraith
#

friendship ended with zu
deep things are my new best friend

frank light
#

LMAO

#

yeah

#

so true

obsidian dagger
#

Fun fact: one one-off comment implied that Town has a franchise called Zushan Burgers, if you'd wondered what happened to them.

fleet harbor
#

Burger Enlightenment

obsidian dagger
#

yup

restive ridge
restive ridge
obsidian dagger
#

...somehow, the fact that story exists does not shock me.

vivid wraith
#

oh you gotta see this

obsidian dagger
#

You know, I'm not sure what I was expecting.

#

Vaguely reminds me of my idea of the Duchess of Microwave Ovens, who shows up to important meetings eating TV dinners and participates to the minimum extent necessary and mostly just lounges around and keeps her nose out of politics and people kind of let her because she's very powerful.

vivid wraith
#

yes
excellent

obsidian dagger
#

As it turns out, she's actually good in a fight, because she can emulate the properties of a microwave oven and very, very few things like it when you ...make some spots scorching hot while leaving other spots frozen.

#

Also, just... microwave ovens are ubiquitous.

restive ridge
fleet harbor
#

Yeah definitely

fleet harbor
#

Hmmmmmmm is calling a strategist by their old Creational name deadnaming if they specifically don’t want it used

candid compass
#

yes

restive ridge
#

Its def mean atleast

candid compass
#

this happened in Lost and Found btw

patent tiger
#

Yeah, Alaen got deadnamed in public

candid compass
#

the name is also quite literally dead though

frank light
#

If they don’t want it to be used then yeah it’s deadnaming

candid compass
frank light
#

HHhhaha

#

Yeah

#

Definitely a deadname

#

Oseric is our favorite 30 year old grizzled catboy

candid compass
#

that fucking carrot costume

#

I got baited so bad by Ru

frank light
#

The fucking carrot costume

#

Nightmarish

#

Also alaen

#

I get to meet Sylvia more often

#

It’s going to hate me SO MUCH

narrow tartan
#

That would be a way for an antagonist Deceiver to establish herself as an antagonist...

Its funny how characters shift and adjust. Just. Different interpretations? Like there was a Deceiver I originally conceived of aw an antagonist. And having her deadname strategists would be a good bad vibe for that

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But is Un Marie isnt an antagonist she would be different

hollow spruce
candid compass
frank light
#

Hatred

fleet harbor
#

I feel like I'm missing something

magic mason
# fleet harbor I feel like I'm missing something

An eldritch horror creational super weapon basically assembled out of the writhing wretched souls of an entire city worth of people and a couple nobles

Showed up to a Halloween party dressed like that

fleet harbor
#

...

magic mason
#

And deadnamed a strategist

patent tiger
# fleet harbor ...

Counting this as a Fugue Token and claiming the free xp for my current character arc (becoming even worse somehow)

fleet harbor
#

Rugue Token

patent tiger
#

Honestly, in the Chuubo's XP options list, I'm really torn between ... and fist-shaking as my ideal

magic mason
patent tiger
#

I think fist-shaking is what I have in my heart, but ... is the more common reaction

#

I'm in the wrong layer of reality for my wavelength to properly influence people

#

Like a fallen cultivator

narrow tartan
#

What if Strategists had inverted mundane intentions

frank light
frank light
#

It has more than one! One for each person in the city even I think

#

That was just one that was at the party

narrow tartan
#

Strategists base action level would be 9 but it is, "you do the wrong thing, for some fuzzy definition of wrong"

vivid wraith
#

important

narrow tartan
#

Do Decevers have any way to become giant monsters?

#

Oh they can second skin snakes and stuff. Maybe

magic mason
#

you can use manipulation on yourself to rip out your heart and turn yourself into a tentacle monster

narrow tartan
#

I once described Greater Stunt/Shattering as being capable of killing only old people and tourists

frank light
#

that is...not quite accurate

#

lesser shattering has a liklihood of killing only people who were going to die anyway

#

but greater shattering and greater talent is different

#

they only become phantasmagorical if theyre too absurd

#

if theyre in line with effects uh

they kinda work?

#

if you state what you can do in a fairly simple manner, and you stick to it
the things relevant to those effects kinda stick around

#

its a level 9 greater miracle and can in fact include greater destruction or greater contagion inside its own description on use

#

so its kinda scary

narrow tartan
#

Oh didnt think about that part

vivid wraith
#

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restive ridge
#

So true

vivid wraith
#

FIRST FROOFS DRAMATIC CONFLICT COMPLETE

restive ridge
#

YESSSSS

vivid wraith
#

hydrate's character got his name stolen with a quadruple crit

restive ridge
#

Uh oh

vivid wraith
#

we'll be

#

it'll be fine

reef perch
obsidian dagger
#

I suppose it would not help if he also became more Monstrous would it?

magic mason
reef perch
#

the responses depend on what "helping" entails

magic mason
#

Balance your humors

obsidian dagger
#

it would definitely do something!

reef perch
#

can confirm it would do something

magic mason
#

if everyone mind controls you, that basically means your just normal again I think

vivid wraith
#

have you tested this fluffy

magic mason
#

its called living in the social media age

#

thats basically advertising

vivid wraith
#

so true

reef perch
obsidian dagger
#

There's a joke in here with "Melancholic" and either "Melina" (the magic teenager in question) or Malambruno, but i can't quite make it work.

#

unfortunately there are not equivalent puns for "choleric", "phlegmatic", or "sanguine"...

#
  • Fanguine
  • (couldn't come up with one for Typhon, to my endless shame)
  • Phlembruno
  • Melincholic
obsidian dagger
#

embed removed because I realized too late that I should probably CW for fish as food

narrow tartan
#

Typhonic sounds like a humor

fleet harbor
narrow tartan
#

Dark, Light, Angel, True God, Snake...
Wildlord Entropy designed his laws to encourage rebellion. Sure he hates love. But he could actually just avoid it. Instead he wants to harness it into the great instrument of self discovery.

narrow tartan
#

Thought. Ogre Sensei is still an Ogre because she already grew up

restive ridge
#

Shoutout to this mfer

#

What were they cooking

frank light
#

Indigo

fleet harbor
#

Doesn't exist anymore, tragically

narrow tartan
#

Its why Colker has a gun instead

fleet harbor
#

Surolam: Adept, Allegorical, Deepness, Prophet?

vivid wraith
#

Oooh
Why Adept?

fleet harbor
#

Adept relates to her being of the Weirding Wall.

magic mason
# 
Fire red the ground I tread
Elevate me, celebrate me
Extroverted but full of fear
The Soviet trumpeter

This is just a very Sickly Orange thing to say

restive ridge
#

Might drop Deepness for hmmmmm maybe Lore tbh

fleet harbor
#

A lot of her 3e description talks about her as a capacity people have

#

As much as a being unto herself

restive ridge
#

True true

fleet harbor
#

Also why I didn't spring for Holy, despite it being very good at changing others

#

Too much about taking the center of attention

rose crescent
vivid wraith
#

EXTREMELY funny

fleet harbor
#

Dying of AI Overview

restive ridge
#

Holy shit

fleet harbor
#

This is an SCP though isn't it?

obsidian dagger
#

I mean... Pattern Screamers are, as far as I can tell, Actuals.

fleet harbor
#

No but I mean this particular thing sounds like a pataphysics department SCP

obsidian dagger
#

I mean... fair enough.

obsidian dagger
frank light
#

i was also about to say strategists but strategists see something different i guess
instead of glimpsing cosmic beauty outside the current paradigm

they see the rot beneath the current one.
but..."what do i do with this information" "Be careful" is strong

obsidian dagger
#

Strategists see the true nature of reality and it's painful. Deceivers see a true thing and it's beautiful and good.

# 
• ...are bright
• ...are numerous
• ...are impossibly vast
• ...are close```
#

maybe ...are strange and unfamiliar too?

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Any property related to distance lets you do fun stuff, though. Not least because you can do stuff like being close to someone and far away from someone right next to them. Reminds me of my idea for a power of exoplanets.

narrow tartan
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I like to overthink Nobilis tree metaphor. Like. Perhaps worlds on the same branch have similar laws

obsidian dagger
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Is it a metaphor? Genuine question.

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And... I don't think one that can be answered, at least usefully. I think it's not a metaphor unless you're a Deceiver?

narrow tartan
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Correct. Mispoke

vivid wraith
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There were some similar properties between nearby worlds in the Norse version iirc

narrow tartan
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Its. Like the tree itself is fairly literal IMO. But I feels like worlds as fruits and other standard tree features is a bit ambigous about how the apply

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Like. If the World Ash is an Ash then would Hell have a deep taproot and then a broad network of other roots?

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Has it grown suckers? (Branches from near yhe ground)

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And also. Ash doesn't grow fruit

vivid wraith
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2e mentioned some kind of taproot dipping into the Not i think

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which caused, problems

narrow tartan
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Ooh

vivid wraith
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this is Far Roofs when you have group muddles saying "and after that you'll fight Hedge the Fang"

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frank light
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yeah

vivid wraith
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getting a vague itch for full Mystery write-ups for homebrew Warmain and True God Mysteries

we'll see if it hatches at any point

obsidian dagger
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I have... part of a writeup for a Warmain Mystery; lemme see if I can find it.

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#1161861116721385482 message I can't find it but I talked about it here.

vivid wraith
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oooooh

obsidian dagger
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Honestly he's probably not good, because he's basically what happens when you try to find an Orange or Gold solution to a Purple or Silver problem, but... "the correct way to interact with this Mystery is to not go on a big, dramatic adventure" is not ideal for a game where you have big, dramatic adventures.

vivid wraith
vivid wraith
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@obsidian dagger i'm in an old rpgnet thread

star driver confirmed Chuubo's aesthetic influence

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obsidian dagger
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Oh wow. Maybe now I have to finish it and not just watch the first third or so and then abandon it.

fleet harbor
magic mason
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Noble who has a very... I don't have another good touchstone so Mordred Class NHP from liminal space type relationship with their really ssucky imperator
guy who works for a fallen and will do literally any of the horrible things they want to Make Them Proud
thee "Did I do Good?" noble

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using your Fallen Overlord as a surrogate father figure has never gone wrong
even once

narrow tartan
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Meon is actually a perfectly nice guy. He just has an evil smile. Lord Entropy picked him because the smile was just, that, evil.

restive ridge
vivid wraith
obsidian dagger
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how... streaky... are Excrucan eyes? Like, classic long shooting star lines, or more regular night sky with dots of light?

magic mason
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I imagine it varies based on the person

obsidian dagger
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...I should clarify: I'm considering doing something stupid where I photoshop a character's eyes to make them Excrucian. Should I go for "night sky" or "meteor shower"?

fleet harbor
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I think either works

vivid wraith
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Night sky imo

fleet harbor
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Depends on what you think fits

obsidian dagger
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They're a Deceiver, if that changes anything.

fleet harbor
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I would just do whatever looks better

obsidian dagger
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I need to do a bit of whacking at image manipulation, I think.

frank light
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I’ve seen meteor shower vs calm night sky vs nebula before multiple artistic representations

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And indeed the effect doesn’t need to be the same between excrucian’s since it’s other peoples brains filling in the gaps trying to connect their perception to the perception excrucians have. Their strange structure senses

obsidian dagger
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I might do this the kludgy way because image manipulation is not being my friend.

frank light
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Mhm mhm

restive ridge
obsidian dagger
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I am bad at image manipulation and this is making me sad. I almost did a night sky, but the best I did was making the eyes in the uppermost layer transparent. But I couldn't get a night sky layer scaled remotely properly for any stars to show up, so it was all just smudgy.

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I want to scream.

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...I have an ugly crude version.

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I don't know why there's a huge transparent border. I tried like 4 times to get rid of it.

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I kind of need to start over from the base images, I think. ...nevertheless.

frank light
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Oh that’s good

vivid wraith
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oooooooh

obsidian dagger
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Jokes which very few people will get! But I do intend to get help and post a better version later.

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got a friend to take a look, and they cropped it at least

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candid compass
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pretty good job on the eyes

obsidian dagger
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It was a bucket fill of black + white pixels manually drawn in, rather than an actual night sky.

obsidian dagger
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Watching someone play The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles and Herlock Sholmes (...yeah) is so Red. Not certain if he's a Creature of the Light or a Creature of Fable, though, because he invents useful gadgets offscreen, but also occasionally just... arrives in scenes. And, when asked what he's doing there, replies "I came to join you for tea, of course!"

vivid wraith
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Actual enjoyers rise up

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@obsidian dagger that's you i think

obsidian dagger
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yes... yesssss...

reef perch
# vivid wraith Actual enjoyers rise up

it abruptly occurs to me that such a statement would sound like something about how only real nobilisverse fans [know/do/think something] if not for actuals being a thing

obsidian dagger
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Actuals don't have a pState, though; they have a pSelf. And the loss of Impressario is an... odd... decision.

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It makes Actuals less social, which I think kind of hurts them? It also robs them of some of their ability to forge connections to others, although they can still do that in other ways.

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Actuals like having a purple arc, though. It's a neat feature if they can engage in genuine, gentle, pastoral work of making the world into them.

vivid wraith
obsidian dagger
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Honestly? I feel like Called Away is wrong because... well, Green arcs are fundamentally about a connection to some element or place which is metaphysically bigger than yourself. And the core issue with Actuals is that they don't have that. There's no place they belong to.

vivid wraith
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looks like they're using it as a self-referential inner world

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similar to how true gods' work

obsidian dagger
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They are, but I'm not sure I like that decision. There's an argument Actuals shouldn't have an inner world, and should in fact be p-zombies, although I'm not sure I like that and also it would be impossible to play.

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Honestly? If Actuals were to be playable, I could see it being something about characters trying to build themself into a person, but without anything that looks like internal personhood. So you have to decide whether you're made out of:

  • The opinions of others
  • Inflexible axioms
  • Something distant, which nobody else can really properly see or touch without becoming you
  • Some Other force you harness, which you're probably defining yourself at least in part in opposition to
    And, of course, all of those things are kind of forged, to some extent or another. Or at least arguably forged.
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I feel like... hm. Lemme chck something quick.

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I need a moment for things to load, but... I wouldn't be surprised if Zu have and cultivate a real true Self, in contrast to an Actual's pseudo-Self.

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In the same way that a Decevier's pState differs from a noble's Estate.

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I feel like I need to do a bunch of research to learn this person's particular interpretations of everything, but... I feel like this person just has a different understanding of Actuals than I do. In particular the part about them all wanting something, not necessarily wanting to be real. I don't inherently disagree with it, but it's not quite what was originally textually implied.

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I think, if I'm playing a character who's on Green arcs, I need to read/reread more L'Engle. A Wind In The Door is popping into my head in particular as having something potentially relevant. Which might arguably qualify as an Actual? Most diseases are, when treated as characters.

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I do feel like parsing horror movie antagonists as, if not Actuals, at least Actual-adjacent does some neat stuff, though. Give it to anyone who's too consumed by a single thought or purpose or goal, to the extent where they either can't see or can't care how it's hurting others.

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Warmains are also great horror antagonists, since a lot of horror movies are in some sense moralistic tests of their victims, but anyone who seems almost oblivious to their victims might make more sense if you think of them like an Actual?

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I am now thinking about ||Satsuki Urumi|| from Otherside Picnic (revealing that they're connected to these ideas is a bit of a spoiler). They... honestly, they'd be really happy with all the Actual arcs; they certainly give people powers in a way which looks like inducting them into a hidden world, and are noted to have a commanding presence and charisma... they wouldn't mind Warmain-esque Red stuff or Indomitably haunting targets, either, though...

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There's also some textual argument for them potentially being a Mimic, weirdly. Or possibly a Deceiver but I don't think that's the case. I think it's Mimic, Warmain, or Actual.

obsidian dagger
frank light
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Eide also does that

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Slash troubled

obsidian dagger
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It has a signature costume, but I don’t know if it can change mid-conversation without anyone seeing how it happened.

obsidian dagger
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...I am once more pondering what an Actual campaign would look like. And the answer is probably a lot like World of Darkness Promethean, honestly. But... I think they need Impressario especially if they're playable, but even if they're not it lets them subvert reality through earnest, everyday hard work and I think that's a useful feature.

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The MESS from Gatchaman CROWDS are a good example of an Actual. They do very Actual things.

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It's also worth noting... Actually primarily do stuff chthonically, and while they have multiple means of converting people, most of those don't work until after they already defeat the person. I think my biggest issue is that I'm not... entirely certain what their Other would be for Gatecrasher? Awakening is pretty simple because they start out as their true self, and have to operate by simulacrum in prosaic reality, Become Somebody is not only unique to them but also what they're made out of, and Impressario defines them in terms of others and allows them to fit in marginally more genuinely than Become Somebody alone permits... but what's their Other?

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They don't directly bind an Other; instead, Gatecrasher gives them techniques... but it's still fundamentally about interaction with a hidden world. Does this let them define themself in opposition to someone else? Create a fictional world they belong do, with stuff like "techniques all scary nightmare monsters can do" or "stuff all trees can do"?

frank light
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As long as nobody was looking at you for a split second you can do it

obsidian dagger
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Fair.

vivid wraith
#

what if Wakaba had Eide

frank light
#

Holy shit

fleet harbor
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TFW you march your anchored army of Hell's forsaken dead on the pleasure palace of some unsuspecting lesser magister

vivid wraith
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WOOOOO

fleet harbor
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Be vewwwwy vewwwwy quiet, I'm hunting Mammon

obsidian dagger
#

Just remembered that I have this excrucian image saved.

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fleet harbor
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Yes this is good

obsidian dagger
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maybe this version of it is better? I don't know.

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fleet harbor
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I like the lemons

obsidian dagger
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no it isn't. I forgot which was which. The first one is more Excrucian-coded.

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I have a whole folder of these

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apparently including this, which is more explicitly nobilis, but sonehow not as good.

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fleet harbor
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Yeah the first one was best

obsidian dagger
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Yeah I agree; I just kind of forgot what all of them were.

obsidian dagger
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...someone uses the World-Breaker's Hand on you and the last thing you see is this popping up in your vision

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vivid wraith
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who's seen The Cat Returns

narrow tartan
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I think. Text of the first one images of the third would be perfect

fleet harbor
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But it's been a while

vivid wraith
fleet harbor
#

Remind me, Haru is the girl who gets catted?

vivid wraith
#

ye

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like Green is always the easy answer for portal protagonists
but if i'm translating to Far Roofs, everyone is a portal protagonist, so it becomes relative

fleet harbor
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I'm inclined to think it should relate to either her getting transformed or to her getting the help of the cat statue guy

vivid wraith
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oh right she does transform
that is sounding extra green

obsidian dagger
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Transforming into something else is frequently Green.

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Sometimes Black, but not always.

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Like, it could happen in any arc, but stories about becoming something different are Green.

tall jolt
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Im on Trials and Tribulations right now

obsidian dagger
#

I missed this person's playthroughs of the earlier games, and keep meaning to watch them sometime.

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Currently this person's on TGAAC 2-5 (just about to start it, at where I am in the videos).

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What arc is most likely to randomly get given things that are minor but useful? I'm tempted to say Creature of Fable, although Prophet might also work.

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I'm imagining this ultra-popular character feeling hungry, and as they're walking along, someone just so happens to have made a brand new donut recipe, and would they care to taste one and share their thoughts? Stuff like that.

tall jolt
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The original trilogy is pretty good.

narrow tartan
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Had a thought. Depression imposes obstacles on mundane actions

fleet harbor
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Dying of your mom jokes

fleet harbor
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“The Rampage of Deceivername” and then all the estate properties are quotes from that old Doom comic

restive ridge
#

You are onto something here

narrow tartan
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Whenever I start feeling depressed and anxious I start hoping that I might awaken as a god.

restive ridge
#

Me too

narrow tartan
#

nods its. Semi serious? Like. Hmm. Examines own engagement with the idea its. Its like. Mad impossible hope? And. If I were to outright admit it is impossible it would break me a little?

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resumes trying to extract own heart

fleet harbor
restive ridge
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Hahaha

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That would be an absolutely troll property to have

obsidian dagger
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...yeah arriving in a scene is Creature of the Light, but saying "last night, I traveled to somewhere important because I somehow knew it would be relevant, and can now talk to you from there on the telephone" is probably more Creature of Fable.

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That said, there's also shenanigans with a spotlight, which make me think he'd have Immortal and Frantic Red.

narrow tartan
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Truman. Deceiver or Strategist

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Ugh. I shoul;d actually watch the film

obsidian dagger
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I don't know for sure, but I'd guess Deceiver.

narrow tartan
#

nods

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Also. Daniel Davis as a Deceiver.

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Or. More accurately. Professor Moriarty possessing Daniel Davis as a Deceiver

narrow tartan
#

Hmm. Noble of smallpox.

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Noble who used to be a statue of a god.

vivid wraith
#

i was not reading the rat stories closely before

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I completely missed the Outcast story where you turn into a rat

obsidian dagger
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My favorite (not counting the ones for my own character) would be the Rogue story option where you just... create an Actual.

vivid wraith
#

yeah lol

obsidian dagger
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Look, okay, I spend too much time thinking about Actuals. They're just categorically Neat.

frank light
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oh my god

vivid wraith
#

you get turned into a rat. if you are transgender that may not be necessary

obsidian dagger
#

This is in the new stuff that I hadn't looked at properly yet?

vivid wraith
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no it's just in the back of the book

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In the Rat Stories

obsidian dagger
#

oh, right, the Outcast is a rat.

vivid wraith
#

only normal, non-ominous deals are being made here

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frank light
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love you typhon <333333

narrow tartan
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Names

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Alchemist splat. Well. Not just alchemist but includes alchemists

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Prophet, Sealed, Style, and Theft

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Mystic, Training, Binding, Storyteller

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I think Theft might be the weak link? I feel like Extraction works well but the shapeshifting and trickery stuff I am not sold on

obsidian dagger
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I think there is a surpising degree of overlap between alchemy and cultivation, but they probably don't quite want the Zu splats

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Creature of Delirium, when it was conceived as Frantic Silver, used to be named Alchemist, so that might be why it slipped into your idea of this?

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But being able to spontaneously pull on a lab coat and goggles... wait, no, Style/Gatecrasher kind of already does that. As does Prophet, oddly.

vivid wraith
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Eide too

narrow tartan
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My thought on Creature of Delirium was that Weymarks are cool and thematically extracting a qualia and manipulating it with mad alchemy felt appropriate.

vivid wraith
#

that's true
that is cool

narrow tartan
#

Hmm. Thinking a little more though. I'm seeing thread running between the other three that isn't necessarily present in Theft.

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(I am being mysterious)

restive ridge
#

The Offscreen Battles of Deceivername

obsidian dagger
#

Just remembered my idea for a teacher at School (probably unsanctioned) who inflicts the Curse of Babel on people in order to be able to teach them language classes.

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Because obviously a school needs a foreign language teacher, right?

obsidian dagger
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Trying to figure out the properties for The town Marche Radiujiu is from yes I had to look up his last name for some reason, because I accidentally nerd-sniped myself I guess.

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My current guesses:

• ...is snowy
• ...has a school
• ...exposes the roots of your problems```
but I can't figure out how to word that last one, at *all*, or even if that's correct.  Or if it should be two properties.
obsidian dagger
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I am also thinking about the Cube Escape/Rusty Lake series of games, and Mr. Crow as a Creature of Delirium based on what happens in the 10th game as Theft.

fleet harbor
# vivid wraith

Well okay I guess I gotta play Far Roofs then if you can get turned into a rat

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Thought: Lord Entropy as the specific angel who performed the act of casting down the defeated Fallen

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Doing this changed him a lot

candid compass
#

Yeah I saw that back during that discussion
It's an interesting thought

fleet harbor
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Destruction, Desecration, and Scorn can all be imagined as having been sort of "angel of righteous fury and destruction" material at some point in the time. But you know, an angel of purification gets called upon to toss half of their allegedly-righteous kin into the pit and it does things to them.

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... maybe that's why he hates love

narrow tartan
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Dang it. Thats better than my Angletropy idea but I don't know if I want to steal it

frank light
#

There’s even rat character party members

fleet harbor
#

Wait there are

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RAT

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Can I be an isekai'd rat

frank light
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Usually for like, filling in the group slots based on missing players but they’re like amazing

fleet harbor
#

Learning from the local rats

frank light
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My favorite is the Icon

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Maybe?

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Probably

fleet harbor
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Like the Merry and Pippin of rats

frank light
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I love the icon because they’re a really innocent and earnest rat who has like, a divine destiny

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And they’re all nervous bout it

fleet harbor
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Taken from a peaceful home to a land of adventure

frank light
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Cus they had it thrust upon them when they were really young

fleet harbor
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Becomes a great warrior

frank light
#

They’re the cintamani beater equivalent

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So that rat can turn into a kaiju

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There’s also the reckless prinxe, who does some wild shit all the time and is great with people

fleet harbor
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Blessed by the power of rats I see

frank light
#

One of the example reckless prinxes dated typhon

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Or so they claim

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There’s the outcast, who either personally exiled themselves or got ostracized from rat society due to a terrible crime.
But it’s one of those crimes that like, is sorta understandable like “you were mind controlled” or “you were cursed by a blade and temptation” etc etc

candid compass
frank light
#

God dammit

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Regardless

narrow tartan
#

Interesting
Waits for FROOFs to come in the mail
Puts it on "to read" pile and never gets yo it

frank light
#

Cintamani bearer equivalent

patent tiger
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Does the world really need worth?

frank light
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Well it was sold apparently

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And you can meet her! She’s a gorgon now

gloomy oasis
#

Cintimani? Do any of Jenna Moran's games have nexus weapons?

frank light
#

Monstrous aka colibrand aka gorgonnn

frank light
narrow tartan
#

Hmm. Thinking about. Strategists as sad meow meow men

magic mason
#

Like
Greater divine plan “you will eat this country”

patent tiger
#

I love me some all-consuming murderswarms, after all

magic mason
#

Yeah
And all you gotta do is making that All Consuming breach immortality

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And boom

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Abhorrent

patent tiger
#

Unfortunately I have no love in my heart

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I want to be the all-consuming murderswarm

frank light
#

This is fair

#

The all consuming murder swarm build is fairly simple

#

Depending on how far you wanna go

magic mason
#

Noble nanoswarm could be fun

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So you can aspect with it

frank light
#

A noble nanoswarm was a real example in 2e

magic mason
#

Oh shit?

narrow tartan
#

I just realized that the characters in a novel I read fit Chuubos arcs pretty well

frank light
#

Yeah

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They were built in a chancel

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And later ennobled

fleet harbor
magic mason
#

Yes!

patent tiger
frank light
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@vivid wraith should tell you all about the party rats in our froofs game they’re great

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The icon is named Falin

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She is so small. This is her first roof adventure

narrow tartan
#

Falin... Does she get eaten by a dragon?

magic mason
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(I was gonna say can they move underneath a door)

fleet harbor
#

Well I'm gonna repost it anyway because I'm very proud of them

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The Rats, Power of Rats

Aspect 2, Domain 4
Superior Skill: Rat 5
Superior Skill: Kaiju 3
Affliction: We're the rats 4
Bond: I'm da giant rat dat makes all of da rules 4
Affliction: Rats make the world wondrous and absurd 5
Gift: I am all rats, everywhere, forever (7 CP for Greater Incarnation, automatic activation, anywhere, only literal rats though, uncommon)

Rats are …
… full of bravery and daring (2)
… easily underestimated (1)
… unstoppable in groups (1)
… dangerous to prey upon (1)
… destined for great things (2)

narrow tartan
#

Sweet rat noble

frank light
patent tiger
narrow tartan
frank light
#

We don’t know

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The description is “something numinous”

narrow tartan
#

Huh.

frank light
gloomy oasis
#

Self-Care 0
mood

candid compass
#

very common among Froofs characters

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I think the only premade with more than 1 Self Care is the Shieldbearer

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or maybe one of them had it at 2, don't quite remember

vivid wraith
#

The rat party members are!

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Falin (she's cute)
Wakaba (confident navigator/daredevil)
Akira (mysterious mentor figure guy)
Nik and Vik (they tried to kill the Headmaster of the Bleak Academy, it didn't work)

candid compass
#

Falin filling a vitally important role

vivid wraith
#

She's the most sensitive to the Mysteries! And also a very good hat

narrow tartan
#

Ooh!

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Oh. I was just imagining. Running like D&D and messing around with lots of random things being capable of speech?

frank light
#

They were the ones I was chasing down

frank light
vivid wraith
#

hahahah yeah

reef perch
#

nik and vik have divine warrant to bicker in the manner of brothers

frank light
#

It’s great

narrow tartan
#

Hmm. Would a noble of RPGs or MMOs be able to create good games at will? (Me wishing i had the power to wish my half baked ideas into reality)

patent tiger
#

Depends on if their estate is defined such that being good is an inherent part of it

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If not - they'd be able to make them with Domain, but them being good is a different question

narrow tartan
#

nods makes sense.

frank light
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Maybe preservation can make them a good game

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Since preservation strengthens the estate

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…though it depends on what being strong means

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But I could see the power of video games being able to make a video game good by Preservation

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Or create video game characters in real life via Creation or maybe even greater Creation

narrow tartan
#

nods makes sense

narrow tartan
#

I want to pull put media spirits and mess with their sense of identity

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Deceiver corrupting fiction spirits

#

Hmm. A type of character as an Excrucian

#

Like. All Goombas

#

As one Excrucian...

vivid wraith
#

Mario, controlled by Deceivername.....

narrow tartan
#

That is another take!

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Or the otherwaya round.

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The person playing Deceivername

gloomy oasis
#

So there was a 19th century German philosopher who felt that life was invariably suffering. And as moral beings, we have a responsibility to, not just destroy ourselves, but because life might arise and suffer elsewhere, we must destroy the universe to prevent that from happening.

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I can't remember his name, though.

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But he gives me Excrucian vibes.

patent tiger
obsidian dagger
#

yeah that's just Strategists in a nutshell, right?

fleet harbor
#

Or one of his disciples?

gloomy oasis
#

One of his disciples, Eduard von Hartmann. He's in the link I posted.

fleet harbor
#

That sounds like the kind of horrifically awful worldview Schopenhauer would inspire in someone

#

Dude took some baseline Buddhist concepts and used them to become a real-life version of those caricatures of nihilism

narrow tartan
#

Oh I remember having that point of view before I figured out my gender

restive ridge
narrow tartan
#

I just remembered one of my cooler Strategist Destructions: blast of all types of weather at once. Specifically inspired by the acid rain glitch from Pokemon

obsidian dagger
#

oh, that does sound kind of fun.

gloomy oasis
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So hot wet windy icy lightning?