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fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:25 PM

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Ananda … Holy almost seems too obvious, what if he had Visage instead

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:25 PM

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But that's a very strange blend... where are you getting this from?

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Actual Ananda.......

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:26 PM

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fleet harbor Ananda … Holy almost seems too obvious, what if he had Visage instead

Related to how his beauty is so destructive

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:26 PM

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Hmmmm. I for some reason always imagined him as a ruleslord or angel based on the infinite beauty angle

But fluffy raised the point to me that fallen fits just as well

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Wildlord could also work

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Fallen
which is
Wounded Angel
Creature Of Light
Allegory
Reality Syndrome

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Yeah

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Ananda just being around fucks you up and that feels sorta Visage

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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You know what would be an interesting power to hang that destructive beauty off of? Toxic, from A Keeper of Gardens.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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That’s true

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And he would be the type to have a garden

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The Cityback

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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I kinda feel like he’s non-standard

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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What is the Cityback?

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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In any case

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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That’s very fair

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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obsidian dagger What *is* the Cityback?

Amanda’s chancel

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Omg phone PLEASE

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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obsidian dagger What *is* the Cityback?

Chancel beneath every major urban center

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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ANANDA

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Amanda

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:28 PM

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it’s full of living infrastructure

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And it’s carnivorous

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It’s…dangerous and wild

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Untameable

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:28 PM

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“Hey Ananda what kind of Imperator are you” “The pretty kind”

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:29 PM

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I could even see "so pretty it's a curse" Indomitable, who's obliged to curse anyone who views his undisguised form.

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:29 PM

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I think he specifically has 0 control over his domains

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:30 PM

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"Space pirate" is just so incredibly Allegory, though.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 8:30 PM

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the cityback is the type of place where you walk home, have to run away because the Taxi got hungry and you walk in and your sofas are fucking and your table ate all your chairs

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:30 PM

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I would personally say something like Visage, Symbolic, Architect and … Wyrd?

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Yes

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:30 PM

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fleet harbor “Hey Ananda what kind of Imperator are you” “The pretty kind”

Hah

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:30 PM

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That’s my prescription

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:30 PM

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Sure yeah

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Honestly fair

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:31 PM

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Visage, Symbolic, Architect, Wyrd

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:31 PM

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I’m glad y’all love space pirate ananda!!

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:31 PM

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He probably wouldn't mind being Called Away to there, and being able to quicken stuff to life, but also Allegory specifically has a power for making inanimate objects come to life.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:31 PM

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Allegory would make sense for the space pirate thing

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:31 PM

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If anyone has Wyrd and isn’t a strategist, it’s him

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 8:31 PM

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obsidian dagger But that's a very strange blend... where are you getting this from?

Revealed to me

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:31 PM

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And gives him the ability to travel in many ways

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HAH

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:32 PM

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I dunno does Architect imply too much agency?

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:32 PM

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Allegory also lets Ananda have been involved in miscellaneous important stuff.

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 8:32 PM

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I think Architect is a good enough amount of agency

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:33 PM

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Architect/Impresario is good if he wants to be able to pull out a space pirate crew out of nowhere. This is good primarily if the other PCs aren't in his crew.

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:34 PM

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I’m thinking of vanilla Ananda fwiw, this is the first I’ve heard of him as a space pirate

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:34 PM

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I just randomly heard someone mention space pirate ananda would be fun in Chuubo's and proceeded to run with it.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:34 PM

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I decided that ananda in chuubos is a space pirate

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Aha

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:34 PM

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Ananda’s unholy world-scraping cruiser

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:35 PM

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Hm, Entropy …

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:35 PM

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Space pirate in the sense that he’s sorta a hero

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But

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He’s got this whole pirate aesthetic

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:36 PM

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Entropy has Holy

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I’m asserting it

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He is very good at being the center of attention

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Holy and Visage in his case

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:37 PM

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I don't think he needs Visage/Become Somebody? That's for being a self-defined existence, not one which the universe places on a pedestal and supports.

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And if you really want to be corrupting or absorbing people, you want the Sickly version Star Quality/Persona.

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I'm trying to remember if Entropy I got tentative stats in GMD, but I'm 99% sure he has Creature of the Light/Holy and A Keeper of Gardens/Gardener like his son.

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:39 PM

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Evil isn’t his estate, but he is the King of Evil

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So Persona feels off to me

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:40 PM

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I think you just give him the Ruleslord set and be happy. Become Somebody is extremely cool, but probably not necessary.

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I'm not sure why space pirates are so clearly Allegory but they are.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:44 PM

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To be fair

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Personas role need not be the same as the truths

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His role could be King of Evil

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But his truths are the mixup of scorn desecration and destruction

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The fastball special

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:45 PM

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I feel like Ruleslord Ananda is fine, mechanically speaking, and so is Fallen Angel Ananda. Both work 100% fine. I think he has Impresario if he's a space pirate and the other PCs aren't, but if the other PCs are space pirates or especially if they're part of his crew, probably not.

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But Impresario lets him summon generic faceless pirate mooks and that can be useful sometimes, you never know.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:45 PM

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I think if this chuubos game were to exist you would be a part of his crew

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I think his minions would be the like, lil guys and basic goons

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The variety of fellas

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:46 PM

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I think if you were part of his crew, he wouldn't have Impresario? He'd just have other stuff instead.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 8:49 PM

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The crew need not be his minions

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He could just have minions in the crew

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The crew would just be the abstract inhabitants of his spaceship

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Which would itself be a full region with properties

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Maybe his minions are the creatures of the Cityback

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:56 PM

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I feel like Impresario is about being friends with "outsiders" in some sense, since it's Sickly Purple, so it shouldn't be a sphere the other PCs are in, but I don't know how to articulate that.

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 8:57 PM

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I think when assigning splAs to the council of four. There should be at least one Angel (or weirder heavenly imperator), at least one magister tied to humanity, and maybe an Imperator with deep ties to earths history but isnt necessarily from earth

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 9:04 PM

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I'm still in favor of Angel Entropy

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:05 PM

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obsidian dagger I feel like Impresario is about being friends with "outsiders" in some sense, si...

maybe? though the writeup in golden hours indicates that the minions can be from all kinds of sources

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the main alien source is the demesne

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which, in all fairness, none of the players need to necessarily inhabit

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the demesne could itself be the cityback, a separate place from the spaceship

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or perhaps something even more alien

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 9:06 PM

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"Outsider" is something I'm defining narratively and contextually.

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But it's still sickly purple.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:07 PM

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it is!

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the sicklyness comes from a lot of sources

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but none of this neccessarily means you cant...well be a part of ananda's space pirate crew

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 9:09 PM

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You can! But if you are, then he shouldn't have Impressario with his Minions being his space pirate crew, and if you didn't, I'm not sure who his minions should be. They could be feral furniture or something, but at that point it feels like he'd do better just taking other arcs instead.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:09 PM

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i mean i could see his minions being cityback monsters or his ombudsmen

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both of which have strong goon or minion energy

well cityback monsters i suppose refuse to be tamed but, architect would let him direct them

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 9:10 PM

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Fair.

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:38 PM

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I’m still thinking about Entropy … Holy and Hunter?

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:39 PM

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i could see it

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:39 PM

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Or Monstrous, actually

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:39 PM

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i could see adept, where hes the enemy of Goodness or love

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where he can erase the love from your heart and replace it with evil and scorn

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:40 PM

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Holy, Monstrous, Gardener, Adept? That’s almost an angel …

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That or Holy, Monstrous, Gardener, Hunter

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:42 PM

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hah

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i almost don't want to say monstrous.
He could be! I could certainly see it!

I think his ogres might be Monstrous in nature, or at least, have those kinds of arcs

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but i just...dont quite see him with it?
i dont know, something about him makes me think its not quite that.

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but like, it would totally fit

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:43 PM

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I’m kind of envisioning him as halfway between a warmain and an angel

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:43 PM

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yeah

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...

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what about a different tack...

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:43 PM

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If that makes sense

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:44 PM

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yeah

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i see it certainly

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:44 PM

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I think Holy has to be there

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:44 PM

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im thinking though...deepness perhaps

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yeah

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i feel like mechanically crossing him a bit with rules
not philosophically just mechanically

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a bit of adept, a bit of deepness, a bit of gardening, a bit of holy?

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idk

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i agree that holy is absolutely in there

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:46 PM

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I do feel like Hunter fits just because like … my rubric for that is “can I imagine him hunting foxes on horseback like a British aristocrat?”

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And I totally can

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:46 PM

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lmao

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thats fair!

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hunter has a lot of interesting bits

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one of its things is those who have it seem to have a strong belief in a part of the world, but its fundamentally unproveable or at least, difficult to prove

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:47 PM

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Maybe not Monstrous though …

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:47 PM

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like "oh the world must be a video game" or "I must actually be the son of a demon prince!"

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:47 PM

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… Flore?

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 9:47 PM

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florebidden love

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:48 PM

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something that isnt quite proveable traditionally but somehow fuels your thing and you genuinely believe it

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flore is hilarious

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hmm

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 9:48 PM

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only relevant to Entropy in that he's the one florebidding it

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:48 PM

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perhaps we should think of this in a chuubos light

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 9:48 PM

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-3 Flore

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 9:48 PM

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because if hes got 4 stat possibilities

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its unlikely that he has a full investment in all of them, or even a balanced investment

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we could narrow this down to 2 stats he would be specialized in

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 9:49 PM

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I think that would be Holy and Hunter

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But I dunno, I’m trying to figure out a set of four for my own amusement >_>

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 10:21 PM

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Hunter/Creature of Fable isn't aristocrats. Aristocrats might go fox-hunting, but they are very much still creatures of the civilized world. Creature of Fable hunts in the interstices. They're not the noble who goes out hunting; they're the hunter who lives in the woods.

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Or... I mean, you could certainly have an aristocratic Creature of Fable, but not one with all the rough edges sanded down. They'd still have their metaphorical teeth.

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 10:58 PM

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I would point out that Hunter explicitly makes you good at riding animals

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Warmains riding around on horses shooting you with arrows is like the hunter image

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 11:06 PM

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it makes you good at horse archery and hunting yeah

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 11:17 PM

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yeah, but at the same time... a man riding a horse is the intersection of civilization and nature.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 11:20 PM

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obsidian dagger I think you just give him the Ruleslord set and be happy. Become Somebody is ex...

I don’t think E1 is a rules magister. One of the few things we know about him power wise is that he has The World Breakers Hand or something similar, so I headcanon that he is an Angel with a infinity variety Blast gift on his Adept

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Nobilis speculation on earth says he is a True God

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But he has neither confirmed nor denied

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And we know that people’s kids don’t necessarily share a splat

Because Jade is an Angel and Jasper is a True God

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 11:54 PM

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obsidian dagger yeah, but at the same time... a man riding a horse is the intersection of civili...

Strictly speaking Hunter is very Wild Hunt coded, but the wild hunt is ... still a king/god/powerful man riding a horse chasing people down with hounds, so I think the principle of the thing is the same

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 11:54 PM

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oh yeah imperators dont obey genetics whatsoever

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 11:54 PM

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Hunter is about a huge dipshit turning you into their prey

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 11:55 PM

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fleet harbor Strictly speaking Hunter is very Wild Hunt coded, but the wild hunt is ... still...

i could argue there is some significant difference but it also could depend on the splat entirely

i could see gamelords having a nobleman on horse aesthetic while warmains are warlords on a horse

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 11:55 PM

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fleet harbor Hunter is about a huge dipshit turning you into their prey

it seems more like being a myth tbh, in a different way from allegory?

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 11:55 PM

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It's a very specific myth, imo

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 11:55 PM

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it has the important parts of stuff about being a hunter but it is about interacting with stories

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the myth it represents seems quite broad!

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it has the power to give yourself an image
and to reject or edit what fits into the story

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 11:56 PM

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It's red versus orange.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 11:56 PM

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to outright deny certain powers or follow certain beliefs and acting offscreen

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 11:56 PM

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It's about being in the interstices.

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 11:56 PM

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It's the mythic image of the thing that hunts and kills you, taking away your agency, rendering you nothing more than an animal to be killed

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 11:56 PM

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i think its more than just about being a hunter and having prey

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i think its a lot more than that! i think that can be one of its faces and its in fact the face warmains tend to display

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but its about being a bit stylized, a bit different

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its miracles are about changing the fiction and being fictional

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 11:57 PM

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Anyway this is sort of besides the point, my point is that I can imagine Entropy being a dipshit in the way Hunter implies

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 11:58 PM

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yeah absolutely

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hes got this energy in a way allegorical doesnt

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hes off doing something else but hes got a legend about him, a fable. the fuckin king of evil babey

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 11:59 PM

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Creature of Fable fables... I think a core part of them is that they're improbable. And, in fact, they might not be literally true, but does that matter? Whereas what Allegories do is true, and furthermore important.

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But it happened a long time ago, whereas Creatures of Fable keep doing this stuff.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 11:59 PM

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its i suppose the difference between an orange arc and a red arc

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orange is about identity red is about storytelling and emotions

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warmains have both!

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because fuck you

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 12:00 AM

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exactly. Red is about the spotlight.

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:00 AM

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get fabled on

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holy puts the spotlight on you, hunter is about what you do when the spotlight isnt on you
theft...puts the spotlights on others/rips something out. or the spotlight is melting/breaking

vivid wraith Oct 26, 2024, 12:01 AM

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frank light hes off doing something else but hes got a legend about him, a fable. the fuckin...

me getting hauled off to the Locust Court: maybe he can be reasoned with, maybe he really just wants what's best for the war
lord entropy: i'm da king of evil

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:02 AM

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yeah

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thats what he says

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:04 AM

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I mostly don't think in Chuubo's terms: the two types of being that normally have Hunter are described as using it to break you down and ruin you, so that's my angle on it, I suppose

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:05 AM

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thats very fair!

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:05 AM

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aaaaanyway Holy and Hunter I think both fit

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:05 AM

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imo sometimes you gotta take the chuubo angle when giving it to other splats that arent necessarily part of the included things

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because for a certain type of thing what that stat means to them can shift

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true gods use wanderer to travel inside themselves while gamelords have the story of undertale playing in their head

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holy and hunter fit great

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:07 AM

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I kind of imagine Entropy riding on a sickly, blind, mad horse that is still very swift, led by nimblejacks in the role of dogs, accompanied by ogres and truly terrible people

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:07 AM

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yeah

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that tracks to me

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i like to think hes got lore

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where in the end, even if he doesnt realize it

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:07 AM

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Lore would work, yeah!

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:07 AM

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he is a gatekeeper of evil things

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he is their king and ruler

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arcanum being shit like nimblejacks and ogres. wielding and creating horrible brews and concotions and curses

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stuff like that

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:12 AM

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Lore, Holy, Hunter ... I am tempted to just say Monstrous but I feel like we can do better

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:13 AM

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hmmmm

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monstrous eide and wyrd have a tinge of void juice in em
a smidgen to a splash to a gallon, respectively

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i do think we can d obetter

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honestly?
he could just keep domain

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keep his evil blast

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:25 AM

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... yeah actually Domain works

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He's the ultra-rare imperator who can just do that

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:25 AM

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yeah

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:26 AM

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He's the king of the evil world

candid compass Oct 26, 2024, 12:26 AM

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Creation of Evil

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:26 AM

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This shit does what he says

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:26 AM

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yea

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 12:27 AM

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Alright, so those are my takes: Ananda has Visage, Wyrd, Architect, and Symbolic; Entropy has Holy, Hunter, Domain, and Lore

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Those feel fitting

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 12:35 AM

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i see i see

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 1:18 AM

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i managed to get the chance to play aulitha today!

she was very fun to play around with, since my only other experiences with testing out strategists were more malevolent to ambivalent

this is my first one with a much softer and kinder side

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 1:18 AM

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Aulitha is the one that got out of the shrine?

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 1:18 AM

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yeah

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she is currently living in the attic of a house thats mainly full of casting minions that particular chancery members cant take care of on their own

she thinks shes the only human in a house full of spirits

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shes really good at lying to herself

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but shes got a kind heart!

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lemme find the description my gm gave of the place, they included her in it and it was hilarious

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just...footnote "yeah theres an amnesiac strategist in the attic"

magic mason Oct 26, 2024, 1:21 AM

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damn

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bro is just vibin

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Kevin that is

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 1:22 AM

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kevin's great

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tiptoe's wonderful
he ate some cactus

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chunk keeps giving me uncomfortable nicknames like "monster in the attic" but other than that is a cat

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stoke'am is lovely!
...despite his incredibly thick accent

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its hard to tell what hes saying sometimes

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 1:34 AM

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Hmm. There is probably a wider array of skills besides the standard hunter ones that would be appropriate... off the top of my head. For hunter that is... Magisters of Plus and Minus. Minusters have Hacker (renamed Hunter)

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 2:34 AM

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I feel like Creature of Fable could totally include hackers, but only if they hack via an elaborate VR interface where they deploy holographic wild animals as viruses.

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 2:44 AM

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I disagree but fair

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 2:45 AM

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Fair enough.

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 3:00 AM

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But it would have to be for something alien to the normal context of hunter? If that makes sense. But viruses is a good idea

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Basically I was looking at the discussion about hunter as someone who harries and takes you apart? And the whole being an outsider thing (might be what the Superior Hunter gets called)? And I tried to think of things that fit that context oddly.

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 4:01 AM

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oh right, I forgot: Town canonically has a franchaise called Zushan Burgers. In case you wondered where the Zu were.

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I guess I could have a random Zushan Burgers cultivator, too—the Burger Boy (or Girl), a dedicated cook who was forced to build a spiritual foundation in order to perfect their seasoning techniques—

OK, now, honestly, although I would prefer a different naming style and will try to think of one, that character may very well be something I have to do—

But hm.

That doesn’t seem to have enough intrinsic oomph, drama, or Horizon feel to stand with the other characters in this campaign. That’s the kind of character who’d show up as filler in a secondary campaign when nobody seems right, or in a story already focused on cultivation or food.

… I think.

… for right now.

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I also want to share my idea for a Warmain-like Mystery for the Rats who I came up with once, randomly remembered, and want to brag about again: Azazel, which is named Abomination.

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With the Bond If I talk to you, you can tell what I'm saying which they use to stand on a distant rooftop where you can just see them, and whisper to you.

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Typically, what they say is various confessions of fault for whatever's gone wrong in your life. If you track them down (which isn't actually extremely hard), they'll hand you one of the dueling swords they carry with them (which will be perfectly sized and weighted to your hand) and duel you.

And the interesting thing about Azazel is that they're not an overwhelmingly good swordfighter. Sure, you might have trouble landing decisive strikes on them, but it's frequently a close thing where you're clearly pressuring them, and you can handle all of their counter-offensives with... not ease, exactly, but still, you're not in serious danger. Even as you start to get fatigued, and get sloppy, so are they, and you can tell they're about to make a fatal mistake, and you just have to keep up the pressure a little longer.

This continues until you collapse from hunger or thirst or exhaustion. That's how Azazel kills you.

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I should clarify that when they confess to causing problems in your life, they're lying. But it's typically a lie you want to believe. Like... let's say you had a really nasty fight with your friend, to the point you're not sure you're still friends. Maybe you need to really seriously go back and apologize and admit fault. Maybe you need to just wait for your friend to cool their head, and there's nothing for you to do. Maybe you need to accept that you don't want to be this person's friend anymore, not after what they said. But all of those things are painful and hard. Isn't it nice when you hear Azazel claim that they poisoned your friend against you?

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Notionally, they're sort of Warmain-esque. Maybe not literally a Warmain, but if they are... I think the way you pass their test is by thoroughly claiming responsibility for whatever Azazel claimed responsibility for. Just completely excoriate yourself, shoulder the entire blame with no evasion, and leave no room for any iota of the problem to be attributed to anyone else.

The way you win is by turning around, walking away, and putting effort into actually solving the actual problem (which may involve waiting around because it's out of your control, or may involve dilligent, slow, hard work).

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That said, while this character is interesting, I'm not sure how fun they'd be in play. They might have too narrow of a meaning?

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I said "Abomination" but "Scapegoat" might have been better.

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 4:39 AM

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...I think Monster Hunter protagonists (should they find themselves straying out of their genre) would probably be on Gatecrasher.

restive ridge Oct 26, 2024, 4:43 AM

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https://x.com/ctrlcreep/status/1849958980753268848?t=AtySSBKyoc5EYyWIQyAgSQ&s=19

neoltitude (@ctrlcreep) on X

A demon's entire visual field is periphery, colorless and keyed to movement, fractured by saccades. An angel's visual field is entirely central, hyper-saturated, a world of gems and light

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(Replace demon with Fallen as needed)

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 4:46 AM

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Never change, Moran.

Thesis, Antithesis, … Synthesis? I guess “the dialectical method, applied to social conceit” is … a more or less complete match for Horizon’s Properties, which is absolutely hilarious.

Something something something the Three Bears [sic]

… capitalism?

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I … don’t think Rinley can be a Prophet of Capitalism. I may honestly have to get back to that because there is something very modern business school about finding some money under a rock and sailing away on a thimble but I just … I can’t even

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Rinely doesn't have Wounded Angel, but I feel like they wouldn't mind something Blue, suddenly. And if their particular flavor of Blue was Wounded Angel... well... I just got to the point whee it talks about how Hedge the Fang is almost a good fit for Rinley's Mystery (except for how terrible he is), and Wounded Angel has a different, more antagonistic relationship that could fit.

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 5:01 AM

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honestly yeah

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rinley dealing with hedge the fang or iolithae feel like...fun rinley arcs

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 5:01 AM

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Dangit now I'm thinking about what "Wounded Angel with Hedge the Fang as your Blasphemy" would look like and... I think, for one thing, your injuries tend to be physically dangerous. Like, if you break a bone and empower the wound, you'll be left with the broken bone shards sticking out being spikes. Just... being more weapon- or trap-shaped?

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 5:01 AM

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where he deals and befriends with forbidden things or monsters

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interesting!

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 5:03 AM

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frank light rinley dealing with hedge the fang or iolithae feel like...fun rinley arcs

like honestly i love the idea of rinley seeing hedge the fang and shit because of his love of cats or something

"Do I rePRESEnt SOMETHING MisSING IN YOUR LIFE? PaterNAL aBSENCE? sibLING?"

"I fucking hope not!"

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or befriending iolithae in the quests where hes part of the titov temple and has to bring her food

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 5:05 AM

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I might have to read more about Hedge the Fang, but the big things I remember are traps. Maybe their mind is full of barbed wire and bear-traps, and anyone who ventures in ends up being trapped in there?

vivid wraith Oct 26, 2024, 5:06 AM

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Iolithae Septimian comes to Smash Bros
"S̴͆̾ǔ̸̓d̴̈́̇d̵̓̊e̵̊̈́n̷̄͠l̶͠y I existed̷̀̉!̶̋̓!

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 5:07 AM

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oh I want to share my Iolithae Septimian idea, based on a one-off idea for a thing that would be cool in GMD. Gimme a sec to find the details, but... in GMD, one of the guys has the ability to summon 12 knights, each inspired by an Issue, right?

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 5:07 AM

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obsidian dagger I might have to read more about Hedge the Fang, but the big things I remember ar...

hedge the fang's MAIN thing is uh...possessing cats and owls and shaping the clouds

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goblin is traps

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 5:08 AM

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🤦

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 5:08 AM

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hedge works on the skies and destiny and is weird and abstract

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hah its fair!

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theres a lot of mysteries and these two are fuckin gremlins

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 5:08 AM

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obsidian dagger oh I want to share my Iolithae Septimian idea, based on a one-off idea for a thi...

Anyway, I was thinking... it's unclear on if that count of 12 knights included the king as part of that count or not.

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And from there, about how Iolithae has to escape from the shrine somehow, and from there decided that originally there was a band of 12 counting the king, and then Iolithae said "there was a king and his 12 loyal servant-knights who he could summon" and it turns out that being summoned is a way out of a seal.

candid compass Oct 26, 2024, 5:11 AM

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frank light like honestly i love the idea of rinley seeing hedge the fang and shit because o...

what Mystery is Petaly?

obsidian dagger Oct 26, 2024, 5:13 AM

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oh yeah I remembered my temporary attempt to describe GMD like it was a TV show, with episode titles and blurbs. It went sideways, but (although I never quite jotted it down fully) I remember that season 1 ended with a two-parter of "I Wish I Knew Why The Sun Went Out/I Wish I Knew Why The Sun Didn't Go Out", and that every episode title starts with "I wish..." except for a mini-series of like 8 special episodes whose names are just snippets from the Lies of Iolithae Septimian.

frank light Oct 26, 2024, 5:45 AM

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candid compass what Mystery is Petaly?

Hedge the fang but again

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His awakening is realizing he is hedge the fang

magic mason Oct 26, 2024, 5:47 AM

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Damn

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 2:33 PM

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Other players in Nobilis game are mean and won't let me disguise myzelf as Iolithae Septimian. And like, Lupe already has a costume!

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 2:38 PM

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Nobody like Iolithae Septimian

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 2:43 PM

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I think "Lupe doesn't know something everyone else does" is a good running gag

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 2:45 PM

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True :D

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 3:16 PM

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Strategist dying of prison shells

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Headless horseman Warmain

candid compass Oct 26, 2024, 3:24 PM

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narrow tartan Other players in Nobilis game are mean and won't let me disguise myzelf as Iolit...

Deceivers complaining about cultural appropriation

fleet harbor Oct 26, 2024, 3:25 PM

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Context is that all the nobles have excrucian disguises and all the excrucians have noble disguises

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 3:37 PM

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The costume joke. Lupe is involved with every club activity at the Diluvian Academy including the theatre club. And. Excrucians and Imperators and stuff are known of as sort of folkloric figures?

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And Chibi-Excrucian very much feels like a fable to me?

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So what if it was an in universe fable. And the theatre club decided to base a play on it

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(Iolithae Septimian would be the comic relief character who doesn't do anything important)

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 3:58 PM

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Suggestion. Remove pawn from Nobilis attribute (domain?) rank titles. Because. Chess themed ranks works very well for the Prophet attribute

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Stupid but kind of cool idea. Strategist character who has not (at first) at all left the war. Just. They've mail ordered an Abhorrent Weapon. Starts with a 200 xp version of The Work of Time on their sheet.

vivid wraith Oct 26, 2024, 9:10 PM

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i love that

narrow tartan Oct 26, 2024, 9:13 PM

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Also they are dying of something like. Being a mall ninja? And not even the other strategists believe that they bought a mystic weapon from some mysterious other worldtree. And then it arrives after a long time and they have given up

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On the war

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And is just this doomgift

narrow tartan Oct 27, 2024, 1:03 AM

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Eide 5: 10 CP
Gift of Wishes: 9 CP
Gift of Awakening: 4 CP
Gift of Gaining Bonds: 1 CP
Geas of, "You remember me.": 1 CP
Convincingly pretending to be a Fallen Angel at character creation: Priceless.

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 2:31 AM

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wandering Zu suck, imagine your a strategist trying to do a welken rite and then this Fucker shows up and challenges you in the middle of your ritual like
"You have faced gods before, but today you face a man" and then they shoot you with a massive laser beam and punch you so hard you melt

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 2:32 AM

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rolled bad on the encounter table

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 3:21 AM

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“I’ll show you!” they say. “You can’t matriculate me if I’m off planting wishes in the Near Outside!” This is logical, sensible, and sane.

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 3:22 AM

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so true!!

narrow tartan Oct 27, 2024, 4:06 AM

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Hmm. Do we ever see Darth Vader with a bow and arrow? What about playing with animals?

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 4:07 AM

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Episode II he rides the arena monster

candid compass Oct 27, 2024, 4:21 AM

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Vader is definitely a Warmain

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when he told Luke he was his father, that was using Architect 😛

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 4:22 AM

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HAHAHAHAAHA

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 4:27 AM

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what is a TIE fighter, but a horse in space?

candid compass Oct 27, 2024, 4:27 AM

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exactly

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 4:28 AM

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but he gets fog machines. He seems more a Creature of the Light than of Fable, arguably.

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and you know that part where he strides down a corridor casually killing rebels? That's not strictly the Auctoritas Magister, but it's the energy of the Auctoritas Magister.

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Does the main character of Oddtaxi have Creature of Fable?

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probably nobody there would have anything miraculous if we're being honest.

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 4:01 PM

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Today's unethical thought: Creational forces using Actuals as weapons in the Valde Bellum, despite the collateral damage

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Capitalism is one of these

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 4:01 PM

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heyooooo

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They seem to be used as weapons in the Drowning Deeps, and also form the Seal of Time???
so it wouldn't be a big stretch imo

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 4:02 PM

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Yeah -- I think they're probably not deliberately summoned but like

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Sometimes Lord Entropy decides one that's been identified is strategically useful

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And puts it under his protection

restive ridge Oct 27, 2024, 4:07 PM

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Hmmm hmm

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yeah this tracks to me

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Especially if that Actual was summoned by the hubris of a Noble he wants to screw over particurarly that day

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 4:40 PM

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Had a funny deceiver idea

Those Who Inhale Project Magnred

Fall into nightmare and delirium
transform into idols to their own Flaws.
wield psionic power.
Are commanded by a strange hallucination.
Can’t seem to die, even if they want to.

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 5:20 PM

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I want to share my stupid headcanon regarding they/them Suzy Schwan.

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So, Chuubo wears a tie. It's kind of a major part of his character design, and not just because it's part of their school uniform; they take it off to become Chuubo Rock-n-Roll. My dumb idea is that Chuubo wears a tie because he's a guy and guys are supposed to wear ties, and by this logic, because Suzy is kind of a guy, they should wear something that's kind of a tie... and therefore they wear a bowtie. It just feels like very Chuubo logic to me.

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(Suzy's gender is "kind of a guy, kind of a girl, somewhere in between" and Rinley's gender is Rinley.)

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 6:30 PM

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Recently I was reading GMD and thought it was kinda funny how high contrast Suzi’s two portraits are compared to the others

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 6:31 PM

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I may have to check that but I don't remember that (I believe you, though).

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 6:32 PM

#

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Compare Chuubo

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 6:34 PM

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Fair!

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 6:34 PM

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Entropy/Attaris 2 are also high contrast but that one feels kinda obvious

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 6:35 PM

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I would say "well, the GMD characters are usually just alternate pronouns and usually names" but Attaris II has a wheel of swords instead of eternally-bloody hands. The Best Friend is still the same character.

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 6:35 PM

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they tend to have a least a bit of different theming

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its the same character fundamentally

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but they have like
different visual motifs or things important to them

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 6:36 PM

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Frequently, yes, but not always equally for every character, or their variants (like the many forms of Natalia) are lateral to gender/pronouns.

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 6:38 PM

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yup

narrow tartan Oct 27, 2024, 6:43 PM

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Gender fluid rinley whose visual motifs shift depending on their mood

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 8:19 PM

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I have come to the conclusion that an Actual in its natural habitat is an Issue — as in, the game-mechanical construct of being an Issue, as Issues overtake people in what is metaphysically the same way that Actuals overtake reality.

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Issue points aren't wounds. They're something else. But there's a metaphysical similarity.

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 8:54 PM

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wouldnt be surprised

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Issues are wacky

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and they can even be a source of wishing power

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its about having a problem, and dealing with it in some way
and you can somehow draw metaphysical power from that

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:01 PM

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Wasn't there actually a thing about tying the Reykjavik Actual to an Issue, now that I think about it?

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Also... did Unicorn exist in some form in Nobilis? (I know Typhon did, for instance.)

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 9:02 PM

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I don't think so

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:03 PM

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Because I'm looking through the froofs rightup of it, and wondering... is this Ananda? Surely not, right?

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Interestingly it has the Fallen Angel setup. But it's so beautiful that if you observe if you just become so irrelevant that you just... aren't anymore.

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And apparently, if it gets too weakened, time unravels, because that's a thing it has locked up???

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 9:05 PM

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I dont believe unicorn is an abhorrent weapon
much like hedge or goblin or king death its probably...somethin else entirely

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:06 PM

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Was Ananda an abhorrent weapon? I thought he was Lord Entropy's fellow.

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 9:07 PM

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ananda is not an abhorrent weapon no

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 9:07 PM

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but Typhon was

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 9:07 PM

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but a surprising number of mysteries are at least just named after abhorrent weapons and follow their naming conventions

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:08 PM

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yeah, my thought exactly. I'm trying to figure out if Unicorn is secretly Ananda, and looking for a counterargument.

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Typhon, Gorgon, Malbruno

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 9:08 PM

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unicorn totally could be ananda

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i dont think it is ananda but like
it could be!

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theres plenty of reasons for it to form as a separate being from ananda, since theres a lot of beings of the vein of "so perfect and divine its destructive"
but its not a bad theory

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i think king death might genuinely just be the magister of death

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 9:12 PM

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Ananda is not a horse

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unless

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:12 PM

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the bit about it apparently holding together time is what screwed me up.

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 9:13 PM

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thats fair!

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:13 PM

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but that's about where I'm at. "Obviously Unicorn isn't actually Ananda... right?"

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 9:13 PM

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lmao

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if it was ananda that would be wild but totally possible

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:15 PM

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What else is Ananda associated with? Any miscellany or ephemera?

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 9:16 PM

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Cities

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Also, his estates

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 9:16 PM

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Ananda is Infinity, Murder, the Fourth Age, has the Cityback chancel, is blindingly, maddeningly beautiful

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 9:16 PM

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Murder, The 4th Age, and The Infinite

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:17 PM

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Ah. Nothing about cold or snow? Because Unicorn is associated with those.

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 9:17 PM

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magic mason Cities

typically to protray him without killing you irl, he is shown as a silohuete of a man but inside of the silohete its just a city skyline

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:18 PM

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And the Numinous, which is not exactly synonymous with the Infinite but it's not totally different!

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 9:18 PM

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Doesn't seem to have Unicorn's obsession-inducing properties either

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Fair. Ananda is, in fact, not a horse.

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 9:20 PM

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yet

magic mason Oct 27, 2024, 9:22 PM

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how ananda be lookin in the courtroom sketches

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Ananda is associated with expectations (king of an age yet to come), murder, infinity, beauty, cities, and untamed wilds i guess?

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 9:23 PM

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magic mason how ananda be lookin in the courtroom sketches

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Wait, he is associated with untamed wilds?

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 9:23 PM

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The last one is a
Stretch

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Only because his chancel is an untamed wild that is a city

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That’s my only connection

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Three estates are infinity murder and fourth age

restive ridge Oct 27, 2024, 9:32 PM

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The Cityback is very....

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Survival of the fittest

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It's defined by everything there being alive and in a cycle of predation

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Its also tended by mysterious helpers recruited by Ananda

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This might fit some stuff about Unicorn? Idk my froofs is rusted

vivid wraith Oct 27, 2024, 10:21 PM

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#av-club message

stable olive Oct 27, 2024, 10:30 PM

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putting a message here so i have this thread to finally motivate myself to read nobilis

restive ridge Oct 27, 2024, 10:32 PM

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Welcommeee

narrow tartan Oct 27, 2024, 11:13 PM

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Buying rpg supplements on a whim is Dark aligned.

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Hmm. I think alongside. My idea that some Rulers are bad at their jobs (estates that are awful for humanity but look good on paper). Having sort of milquetoast not very dangerous Gamers fits.

obsidian dagger Oct 27, 2024, 11:17 PM

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The Game is about the urge behind the actions more than the actions themself, I think?

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:46 PM

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Yes and no?

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Gamers do specifically want you to do cool things until you overextend and die

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They are freedom-to-the-point-of-suicide

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Do whatever the fuck you want and get killed is their agenda for humans

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The end result is very important to them

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:48 PM

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im reminded of the line that was something like "they love the noises and songs our lives make, almost forgetting that they have any meaning at all"

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its weird

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lemme find the specific line

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:48 PM

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Yeah they're not very interested in anyone's inner world except as like

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:48 PM

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but my interpretation of it is...they forget that human lives are important to humans

they love seeing you do shit, and do stuff, and do it so hard that you explode and die

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:48 PM

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An aesthetic that informs your actions

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:49 PM

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because thats beautiful and awesome and you should keep doing awesome things that are cool

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...but they forget that there is a life behind that sorta. That it isn't just a story?

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idk

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:49 PM

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The way I kind of see it is that they're analogous to Vertigo's Lucifer

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:49 PM

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fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:49 PM

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Except where Lucifer wants freedom to the point where his own existence is impossible

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:49 PM

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"its listening to the sound of you much more than your specific words"

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it doesnt matter what the actual meaning of your life is

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:50 PM

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The Game wants you to be free to the point where existence is impossible

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:51 PM

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it loves you and all the cool shit you can do, and loves your suicide most of all
a beautiful melody when viewed in its entireity

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but they dont really get, nor understand, when somethings actually important to you

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they dont really seem to understand the meaning behind what you say
they just love to hear you say it

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:51 PM

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After all, isn't "don't die" the biggest and most important rule you can break? Isn't dying the ultimate expression of freedom? -- a shithead

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:52 PM

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yeah

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absolute freaks

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i love the rules a lot

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in relation to this

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almost equally solipsistic and unable to understand

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but in an entirely different direction

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:53 PM

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Meanwhile Rules like ... view you entirely in an instrumental way

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You are just a vessel for Being Alive as far as they're concerned

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And more broadly, following the rules that lead to you continuing to Be Alive

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Like the Game, they are preoccupied with humans but wholly disinterested in humanity

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:55 PM

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yeah

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or maybe the reverse? its hard to tell

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they dont really understand what a humanity is
or exactly how to make it immortal

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:56 PM

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Really however you want to phrase it

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:56 PM

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they want it to live forever but man theyre...not smart!

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:56 PM

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They don't care about your internal life

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Neither of them

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:56 PM

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mhm mhm

candid compass Oct 27, 2024, 11:56 PM

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the Rules are similar
they love humanity, but they don't understand what it means to be human

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:56 PM

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i love the rules a lot

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i think at the core of both of them is something deeply earnest and worthy of like, believing in

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for the game, its freedom and actual happiness

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and for the rules, its survival

candid compass Oct 27, 2024, 11:56 PM

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candid compass the Rules are similar they love humanity, but they don't understand what it mean...

they want to keep you safe, at all cost
and they don't understand why you wouldn't want to be kept in a sealed off box away from everything for all eternity

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:57 PM

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Both love a particular notion of humanity that is disconnected from the human experience

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:57 PM

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and like, when it comes to the rules, i think thats....really important to hold in your heart!

no matter how things get, no matter how worthy or unworthy you feel

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keep surviving

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it doesnt matter

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:57 PM

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Not unlike Heaven and Hell, really

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:57 PM

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keep surviving at least

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you dont have to make grand meaning of your life, you shouldnt overextend and kill yourself just to go out with a bang.

just keep living

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keep being alive

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its why i care about Rules a lot

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:58 PM

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True Gods actually understand something about the human experience

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Something core to it

candid compass Oct 27, 2024, 11:58 PM

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well, for a given definition of "human"

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:58 PM

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But they don't get any of the stuff layered on top

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Which actually makes a person a person

restive ridge Oct 27, 2024, 11:58 PM

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fleet harbor But they don't get any of the stuff layered on top

Listen I dont get most of it either

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:59 PM

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true gods, I suppose in their complete separation from all this dichotomy bullshit, probably have some idea of how life in general works

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theyre just vibing under the world, and have been vibing since before humans were a thing

restive ridge Oct 27, 2024, 11:59 PM

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I was born to oxidize molecules at the bottom of the ocean why am I forced to learn what friendship is

fleet harbor Oct 27, 2024, 11:59 PM

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Curiously, I feel like Wildlords might come closest to getting it

frank light Oct 27, 2024, 11:59 PM

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wildlords are alien to humans but do love asking questions about their own nature

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:00 AM

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Wildlords are weird alien solipsists, yes, but the way they understand the universe in relation to themselves is not wholly inhuman

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It's pretty close, even

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 12:01 AM

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hm
i dunno if i fully agree with that tbh

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at least not when considering the other imperators

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:01 AM

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In some ways every Imperator type is something fragmentary

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And incomplete

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Human but unrecognizable when removed from context

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Even the snakes

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 12:02 AM

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i do look at the serpent encircling the worlds and go "just like me fr"

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:02 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTo7BVqLmwU The problem with the snakes is

YouTube

The Byrds - Topic

From A Distance

Provided to YouTube by Legacy/Columbia

From A Distance · The Byrds

20 Essential Tracks From The Box Set: 1965-1990

℗ 1990, 1992 Sony Music Entertainment Inc.

Released on: 1992-01-14

Bass, Vocal, Producer: Chris Hillman
Composer, Lyricist: Julie Gold
12- String Guitar, Vocal, Producer: Roger McGuinn
Guitar, Vocal, Producer: David Crosby
Gui...

▶ Play video

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This is their song

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And it's a good song

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But it's not quite right

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Because the world doesn't just exist from a distance

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 12:04 AM

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oh yeah i do 100% agree that all the imperator types are fundamentally inhuman and not really...connected to that perspective

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they have a lot of difficulty understanding them

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though from that angle, i wouldnt say that most of them are fragmentary

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they just...arent human in the first place

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the game and the rules are the most fragmented i suppose in that respect, since they hold the highest direct relation to humanity

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:04 AM

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I mean in the sense that the concepts the types embody are core things about the human experience but

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Not like that

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 12:05 AM

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i am enjoying the rules/game themetalk
although now i'm curious what kind of space is left over for Custom Freak Lilith

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 12:05 AM

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i love lilith

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 12:05 AM

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she's so fun

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i just gotta give her proper Imperator ideology juice and not just individual tragedy juice

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:05 AM

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Like, the dichotomy between love and expectation is a fairly core part of how we interact with others, it's central to human existence

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But just love feels weird and foreign

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And just expectation similarly

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 12:06 AM

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I suppose yeah

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its foreign to us

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and yeah from a writing standpoint theyre all written with perspectives taken as much to the extreme as possible

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:07 AM

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Freedom and the desire to be oneself versus restraint and the desire to be alive is similarly pretty fundamentally part of every person, but ... not like that.

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Not completely divorced from one another.

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The biological drives are in there, too, but there's so much more on top of them.

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 12:08 AM

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I just try not to put too much of them in relation to humanity because, humans arent even the only things in this world. Humans are just one part of it.

The true gods and wildlords don't even have tangential connections to humanity like the game rules fallen and angles do (where angels modeled humans a tiny bit after them)

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:08 AM

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Aye, I mean like ... non-diegetically

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Examining from a Doylist perspective

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 12:09 AM

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thematically?

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:09 AM

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Yeah

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The different imperator types map to things we recognize in ourselves but which ...

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Like, no that's not how that works, right?

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That's not what love is, is it?

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 12:17 AM

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vivid wraith i just gotta give her proper Imperator ideology juice and not just individual tr...

"transformation" as an alternative to the rules/game's life/death would work, but the Game kinda has that covered
this is tricky

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:25 AM

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I think you could phrase it in a way that’s thematically distinct

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If it’s put forth as specifically the urge to stop being oneself and be someone else, for instance

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The idea of reinvention

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That could almost be counterposed to the wild

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 12:29 AM

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ooooooh

narrow tartan Oct 28, 2024, 12:43 AM

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People talking about jennagames makes me happy because i understand what words mean better

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Lilith I imagine steals individuality. She understands humanity but experiences it as a whole

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 12:52 AM

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Oh that's good

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 8:00 AM

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Drawn out by his newly spookier music, an ancient evil ghost-king emerges to participate in this year’s battle of the bands, drowning Horizon in darkness. Then, when no one really notices that this has happened, in Loud Explanations Of How He Is Drowning Horizon In Darkness.

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This is immediately after this classic:

His students, or at least helpful NPC students A and B, are concerned, and try to help through things like setting him up on dates with the Prince of Cats’ skyship and entering him in Horizon’s “largest potato” contest.

(Not every helpful student is helpful.)

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 8:19 AM

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Also I'm half-awake but I'm Cooking and might have to stat up Minotaur, who is named Estrangement.

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 12:56 PM

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Gamelord vibes in the city of Comorragh in Rogue Trader

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restive ridge Oct 28, 2024, 1:16 PM

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Coward talk I have died atleast 5 times in my life

narrow tartan Oct 28, 2024, 1:34 PM

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Birds aren't real. They are plot devices of an Actual that managed to assimilate and turn mostly benign

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 1:35 PM

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Damn

narrow tartan Oct 28, 2024, 1:36 PM

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Sadly I wasnt the first to have an idea like that. I remember someone writing about a mimic whose estates included birds. And their blasphemy was some sort of mass extenction

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 5:57 PM

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Ananda
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426286410925080576/1300513847290888354/bafkreifybvt3c5lcdt6bcslneb23kqzv246ppoegz5665fko4jzbgxdepijpeg.png?ex=67211d67&is=671fcbe7&hm=9e255f317a37f053af844b74ebd53b539dad617f5b988fca000d7e47055256b0&

candid compass Oct 28, 2024, 6:00 PM

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well of course horses aren't real

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that would just be silly

restive ridge Oct 28, 2024, 6:00 PM

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so true

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(what)

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:01 PM

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(there was a previous discussion where we tried to figure out if Ananda was secretly Unicorn)

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 6:01 PM

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This is how Ananda deflects the unicorn allegations

restive ridge Oct 28, 2024, 6:02 PM

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wiiiise

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 6:02 PM

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I'm giving him "Not a horse 3" as an Affliction

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Ironically Minotaur as I have conceived of him is kind of reminiscent of a tikbalang which is horselike.

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 6:11 PM

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I made a Strix mystery named Ill omen

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:12 PM

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There's something here about Minotaur making the whole world into a maze, combined with the fact that... in the original myth, the Minotaur's Labyrinth was its prison. I think, by that logic, when Minotaur makes the world into a maze, it can't not do that.

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It is always at the center of a maze of its own making, infinitely large, unable to escape. And it can make the incautious forget that there is a world beyond the twisting indiscernible walls.

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 6:13 PM

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What Arcs are you planning to give it?

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:14 PM

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I'm not sure. I'm tempted to give it Creature of Delirium; a lot of what it wants to do can just be Indomitable curse stuff, though.

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 6:16 PM

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In The Far Roofs Game mysteries usually have 4

Could see a neat angle with making it have a Deceiver or Warmain setup

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:17 PM

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Yeah. I'm trying to figure out which 4. It wouldn't mind Called Away, either.

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 6:18 PM

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Could give it
Indomitable
Creature of Delirium
Called away
…. I almost wanna say Vastness/child of the ash

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:19 PM

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But I don't think it gets it, since I don't know if it's enough like an element rather than an idea.

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 6:19 PM

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Mmm.
Does it have a theme with a Mood or emotion perhaps?

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The feeling of entrapment or judgment maybe?

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:20 PM

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Yes. Minotaur is named Estrangement, and is a separation from life. It's a routine you once knew, growing teeth. It is familiar places becoming labyrinths, and I'm still not sure if the spaces physically warp, or if you just get lost in them.

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You get lost in a maze because everything looks alike; you make your way out by looking at something, and saying "no, this isn't mundane, this holds myriad wonders already" and believing it at least a little. Make paperclips into tiny swords. Cook a weird meal. Infodump about the history behind some fastener, or the complex anatomy of a dandelion.

restive ridge Oct 28, 2024, 6:22 PM

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Awakening might also work? Creature of Ash calls to me too

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:23 PM

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Ooh, maybe. Could do the Imperator set. But then you're losing Indomitable (and while Mysteries get to steal some stuff from it always, I think this really likes having it for real)...

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 6:24 PM

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Mysteries can have custom spreads
Froofs gives Malubruno a custom set

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:25 PM

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Fair enough. I sort of like the idea of making people so lost that they wander out of their own bodies without realizing and have to find their way back, but that might be gilding the lily, and I like the idea of Creature of Delirium but the Minotaur was not historically known for any sort of faceless minions and besides I'm not sure what it'd extract from people as weymarks.

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 6:31 PM

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So fucked up that that battle axe turned into The Color

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:34 PM

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?

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 6:34 PM

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Malambruno i think

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abhorrent weapon turned into a weird transforming plague thing

obsidian dagger Oct 28, 2024, 6:35 PM

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Ah.

narrow tartan Oct 28, 2024, 7:00 PM

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Dracula named ?

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resists urge to pound all abhorrent weapons into same mold no bad zoey

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Observation. Entropy probably has relatively high Ability. Which imo is pretty funny if he is one of the splats that pays 3 for ability

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Just this guy doing taxes

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Armus is the image I will use for True God Entropy, least happy of the Entropy's

narrow tartan Oct 28, 2024, 8:43 PM

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My current ideas for differing takes on Lord Entropy.
Angel: Finds earth disgusting and everything that is not perfect abhorrent. Killed the dinosaurs.
Ruler: Simultaneously understands humanity better than most Rulers and views them as dumb animals.
Gamer: Actually thinks his laws are for the good of everyone.
True God: Miserable and wants to make everyone else miserable.
Serpent: Kid with a magnifying glass. Afraid of cooties.

candid compass Oct 28, 2024, 8:46 PM

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I'm in favor of Angel Entropy personally

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 8:47 PM

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I feel like if he's an angel he's of a not-quite-fallen flavor

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Given he seems to deliberately make things worse

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 8:59 PM

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narrow tartan My current ideas for differing takes on Lord Entropy. Angel: Finds earth disgust...

I love angeltropy

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and then give him the Infinite Variety Blast gift

patent tiger Oct 28, 2024, 9:01 PM

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I like the angle wherein he's a Serpent or Angel and his case genuinely is that desecration and evil and horridness are good, pleasant things

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 9:02 PM

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I do personally like to think the council of four are unique beings, and that there are unique beings just hanging around

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 9:07 PM

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2e has something about "we don't know what exactly Ananda is, but that was also the case for the Third Age before the Third Age, so i guess it's normal"

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 9:11 PM

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I could see Surolam being some unique creature

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Considering her origins

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Though I could also see wild magister

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She seems to be a fragment of the weirding wall.
At least according to the book

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 9:12 PM

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Ha-Qadosh seems to be some sort of wild magister but his vibe is unusual enough that I can imagine him as a unique entity

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 9:17 PM

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Qadosh just treats the world as his playground and that could mean literally anything

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 9:20 PM

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The way it's presented leaves a strong impression for me though

narrow tartan Oct 28, 2024, 9:20 PM

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I think. My idea hor Ha-Qadosh is that on most worlds he would be a good benevolent figure. But. On earth cause and effect on earth are not moral forces

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 9:21 PM

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I think I imagine him as a sort of libertine

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Much more deeply enmeshed in Creation's particulars than your average Imperator

narrow tartan Oct 28, 2024, 9:21 PM

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Nods. Definitely a libertine.

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 9:22 PM

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Maybe he doesn't have a chancel

narrow tartan Oct 28, 2024, 9:22 PM

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But. He behaves much more responsibly elsewhere

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 9:22 PM

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He drifts from party to party

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And he's pretty indiscriminate about what consitutes a good time

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Fun fact, I showed a screencap of Qadosh's presentation and the blank space and footnote under it to a friend who does typesetting/graphic design and it did in fact infuriate her

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 9:23 PM

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I always see Qadosh as the type of god to Gamble

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Yeah, definitely

magic mason Oct 28, 2024, 9:24 PM

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like
Need an out from an iimpossible trial in the locust court

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Entropy want to eat you?

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Make a bet

fleet harbor Oct 28, 2024, 9:24 PM

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Thought: nobody actually knows what his estates are

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Nor is anybody sure how that works?

gloomy oasis Oct 28, 2024, 11:08 PM

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vivid wraith Ananda https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/426286410925080576/130051384729088...

Does this mean Hbomberguy is an Excrucian trying to destroy horses as a concept?

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 11:08 PM

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perhaps

gloomy oasis Oct 28, 2024, 11:09 PM

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He's also destroyed Tommy Tallarico and James Somerton.

vivid wraith Oct 28, 2024, 11:09 PM

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or a strategist with a lambda-horse Sphere

gloomy oasis Oct 28, 2024, 11:09 PM

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Like, the people still exist, but who they were is gone.

frank light Oct 28, 2024, 11:41 PM

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yeah

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that seems about right

fleet harbor Oct 29, 2024, 12:33 AM

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He’s not a strategist, he’s a warmain

narrow tartan Oct 29, 2024, 4:35 AM

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Hmm. Using high level Aspect miracles to imitate Extraction. Probably requires something that acts to connect stuff if that makes sense

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By connect stuff. It probably would require a metaphor for Aspect to make concrete

obsidian dagger Oct 29, 2024, 4:57 AM

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I randomly remembered my old idea of trying to match arcs to each song and Hollow Moon by AWOLNATION is such a perfect match to Gatekeeper. I'm having trouble finding anything close to as good for anything else.

YouTube

Red Bull Records

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AWOLNATION – Hollow Moon (Bad Wolf) (Official Video)

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▶ Play video

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Something from Marina and the Diamonds is probably right for Become Somebody (a slot with a lot of competition), maybe Hollywood? Unless it's secretly Star Quality?

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Maybe something from the Electra Heart album? Unless that's Silver, but... no, probably not exactly? There's a lot of competition for the Silver arcs too.

vivid wraith Oct 29, 2024, 5:15 AM

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desperately trying to avoid getting a bingo of Mother Mother tracks

obsidian dagger Oct 29, 2024, 5:16 AM

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I know that feeling. There's a lot of competition for some slots, and then others, I go "this is a good song that I guess could maybe be this thing?" and then I have to pull myself back.

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Hollywood is I think still in the lead for Become Somebody? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1VTcJfL7RE

YouTube

MARINA

MARINA AND THE DIAMONDS - Hollywood [Official Music Video]

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▶ Play video

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But there's a good deal of competition for that slot, and there's still others which I have no clue how to fill. I mostly need to remember that I have this project and await serendipity, I think.

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Final Girl would be funny for Indomitable, but that's mostly just because it's a song about slashers and slashers generally have Indomitable.

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Or arguably Creature of the Light, which... likewise, actually.

narrow tartan Oct 29, 2024, 8:46 PM

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Metaphysically Warmains are the most sensible Excrucians

frank light Oct 29, 2024, 8:49 PM

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I’m not sure that’s…true

vivid wraith Oct 29, 2024, 8:51 PM

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How so?

fleet harbor Oct 29, 2024, 8:52 PM

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I need clarification as well

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Non-metaphysically mimics are the most sensible Excrucians

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"Shit shit shit I'm stuck oh god they're gonna kill me I gotta hide"

narrow tartan Oct 29, 2024, 8:55 PM

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Mhmm. Just that, unlike Strategists and Deceivers, Warmains come from outside the tree. And dont have the complicated relationship with the Is that the others have

fleet harbor Oct 29, 2024, 8:56 PM

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That's true

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A Warmain's philosophical goal is pretty simple

frank light Oct 29, 2024, 8:57 PM

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I wouldn’t say it’s not complicated tbh

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They’ve got a whole complex about searching for something and needing to find it for an alien land they represent and they use incredibly bizarre and destructive methods to search for it.

And they don’t uh…stop. Or well, they wouldn’t exactly be a warmain if what they’re looking for could be found

restive ridge Oct 29, 2024, 8:59 PM

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On one hand: Warmains are still angsty and tragic about their whole identity thing and still have some weird hangups about Creation

On the other hand: Yeah no you are right they are just goth shonen protags

frank light Oct 29, 2024, 8:59 PM

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Plus many deceivers and strategists come from outside the tree

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It’s a smaller percentage than ones born within

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But it’s not like, super scary rare

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They’re just more uncommon

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Plus they only get personalities and personhood once they temper someone for the first time

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Before they do that, they’re just formless…alien forces

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By integrating with creation they become more people-like

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Which uh…is a complicated relationship with existence if I’ve ever seen it

narrow tartan Oct 29, 2024, 9:05 PM

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Warmains have a complicated personal relationship but their meta-physical relationship is straightforward.

frank light Oct 29, 2024, 9:05 PM

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Is it more straightforward than the others tho?

Cus like the others seem straightforward metaphysics wise.

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Come to the world to destroy it because it’s wrong and should be destroyed or because it’s a lie and should be freed

narrow tartan Oct 29, 2024, 11:56 PM

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Hmm. I think the thing in Glotch about Excrucians feeling like snow and the night sky is sort of for blind people... They often feel like real people. I wonder if you could get someone who could see their eyes but only feel emptiness when you touched then

frank light Oct 30, 2024, 12:12 AM

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i imagine its possible

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Aulitha, one of my newer strategists, is probably like that

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shes ambiguous and undefined except for her long hair and 'feminine qualities' (this entirely varies on what you personally consider as feminine)

...so she probably feels like snow

narrow tartan Oct 30, 2024, 12:55 AM

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Heh. Next Nobilis OC is a eyeless weirdo from another world with a mouth-nose that communicated via pheremones

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Hmm. After that the next Nobilis pc is a geometrical abstraction that perceives the world and communicates via the distortions of space

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(i am coming up with stupid ideas that would necessitate new Excrucian weirdness)

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Hmm. Beings with ear-mouths who perceive via sonar. Excrucians, are gaps of nothingness that swallow sound, then speak it back to you

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I don't know if I have understood anything jennagames by myself

vivid wraith Oct 30, 2024, 1:13 AM

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associates to properly initiate you are a valuable resource

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happened to me

narrow tartan Oct 30, 2024, 1:14 AM

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Fair.

obsidian dagger Oct 30, 2024, 1:36 AM

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There is an argument that literally zero people think the espoused position of the Bleak Academy is good, and I think that's interesting. Even people who give in to it probably don't think that it's good, just that it's necessary.

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I also find it very funny to remember that Mrs. Senko doesn't believe in vampires.

frank light Oct 30, 2024, 6:41 AM

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That is interesting

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I assume due to statistics uh, the number probably isn’t actually zero

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But I could see tons of bleak academy students being angsty about it’s necessity and stuff

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Though it’s bleak magisters and strategists are absolute freaks and I don’t trust them to have normal opinions(affectionate)

obsidian dagger Oct 30, 2024, 7:04 AM

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I mean... Mrs. Senko doesn't believe what she's saying. And she at least thinks that the Headmaster doesn't believe it either, or doesn't like it, at least. It's his Tempering, but you're supposed to refute it and maintain hope even in its face.

fleet harbor Oct 30, 2024, 8:01 AM

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I think there’s also the angle that the Bleak Academy speaks to (among many other things) the sometimes false complexity of how grownups see the world

narrow tartan Oct 31, 2024, 1:57 AM

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Okay, I think the deadly wound I took today is better than the one last time, which might have been a mistake? I was burning a lot of MP on Strike which might not have been necessary.

patent tiger Oct 31, 2024, 2:18 AM

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(I have been the source of both of these Deadly Wounds.)

(We are, hypothetically, allies.)

obsidian dagger Oct 31, 2024, 9:17 PM

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I am thinking about Good Omens and how Adam Young would probably make a good character inspiration for Chuubo.

fleet harbor Oct 31, 2024, 9:18 PM

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He is 100% a Chuubo's character, yeah

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Honestly that's a good reference point for like ... explaining Chuubo's to people, I think

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Good eye

obsidian dagger Oct 31, 2024, 9:37 PM

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Chuubo’s in general, but there’s also a fair number of ways in which he’s analogous with Chuubo himself.

fleet harbor Oct 31, 2024, 10:13 PM

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True!

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What arcs would you give him?

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I don’t know how to think of things from a Chuubo’s perspective

narrow tartan Nov 1, 2024, 2:24 AM

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Hmm. Glitches. Interesting things. How often do they just spin stuff from ephemera vs move stuff that exists in yhe world.

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There was someone writing a glitch quest (it died because they were bullied over AI art). Where a character was dying of being a side character in JRPGs. And. The male protagonists who dragged her along on their adventure inevitably sort of vanished whenever she died

vivid wraith Nov 1, 2024, 2:31 AM

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oooooh
There's material there

narrow tartan Nov 1, 2024, 2:35 AM

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Nods. Hmm. The Glitch has its own casuality in a way.

obsidian dagger Nov 1, 2024, 2:42 AM

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fleet harbor What arcs would you give him?

I missed your message, but... Reality Syndrome mostly, probably. And that's about what's necessary, really, but he wouldn't mind Sentimental. Or maybe Allegory, or Creature of Fable, oddly, but Reality Syndrome does a lot of the heavy lifting I think.

obsidian dagger Nov 1, 2024, 4:53 AM

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Idea: an Issue (probably Black) for when you're in a time loop (or a simulation) and you gradually stop thinking your actions matter because they'll be reset.

frank light Nov 1, 2024, 6:47 AM

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Hollow could fit into that sort of thing.
Or maybe even vice

But I do like the angle of like, amorality forming from lack of consequence

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It has potential for something unique

obsidian dagger Nov 1, 2024, 6:49 AM

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It could be either, but I'm thinking Black because it's not about becoming tainted; it's about becoming detached. You find it harder and harder to care about your actions, so you start doing dumb stuff, like the classic groundhog day "today I will just steal cake because it doesn't matter" style stuff, or hurting people because the hurt will be undone.

frank light Nov 1, 2024, 6:49 AM

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That’s true

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Which leads me to believe in hollow

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Though I could also see that sort of amorality being a vice

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Because it’s a terrible and bad habit

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That you indulge in

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It depends I guess on the vibe of the time loop

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And how many other characters are involved

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And how that all works out

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Cus vice then has the funny bit where maybe the last thing you need, if you get to issue 5, the thing you really need to do break all of this, is for once rely on your amoral detached nature to do what needs to be done

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Depends on the narrative

obsidian dagger Nov 1, 2024, 6:54 AM

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Honestly, step 5 of every issue is more or less "the only way out is through" with the arguable exception of Illusion (and even then, the only way to resolve such an illusion is to say that you weren't even playing your character to begin with and the whole thing is fake).

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So Time Loop Detachment 5 would be "only by seeing how reality is ephemeral can you pay attention to/save the important, real parts".

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It could be a vice, but in general, it's for any situation where your character starts feeling like their actions are meaningless because reality doesn't apply. Maybe they're looping, maybe they're in a simulation and interacting with questionably-sentient NPCs, maybe they know they're in a dream world instead of reality, whatever.

obsidian dagger Nov 1, 2024, 8:38 AM

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...I'm now thinking about someone on Reality Syndrome whose Hack is just Vancian magic.

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I mean, it wouldn't be tracked like that, but the way I like to think of Reality Syndrome is that you have a Hack and the difficulty of accomplishing some task using that hack is roughly orthogonal to the difficulty of accomplishing that task "normally".

obsidian dagger Nov 1, 2024, 9:20 AM

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Iolithae Septimian voice Calling someone a nimrod is an insult!

narrow tartan Nov 1, 2024, 3:13 PM

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Illusion?

magic mason Nov 1, 2024, 3:15 PM

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narrow tartan Illusion?

Illusion is a Red issue where Something Is Wrong, but no one knows what it is, sometimes because you are purposefully hiding it. You get it in Fairy Tales for Suffering when there is nothing to Suffer about, implying there is something you are Suffering about without anyone knowing

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At illusion 5 it turns out you are replaced by an imposter or possessed or something

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And it was never You in the first place

frank light Nov 1, 2024, 3:37 PM

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its specifically that something's going on but it isnt being shown

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so you dont know whats going on quite
or something weird is happening that isnt being revealed
Or the narration isnt quite telling the truth

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something doesnt add up

the illusion issue can increase when you suffer adversity, take trauma or corruption, take metamorphosis, or never say die when it doesnt actually meet conditions

obsidian dagger Nov 1, 2024, 9:38 PM

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Is Video Killed The Radio Star Allegory?

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I'm also reminding myself and everyone else that "I prevented the bad thing that would happen to me, but overreacted to such an extent that that hurt me" is not only a perfectly reasonable way to take a Wound, but also a perfectly reasonable wound to empower for a Wounded Angel.

fleet harbor Nov 1, 2024, 10:26 PM

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obsidian dagger Is Video Killed The Radio Star Allegory?

For a second I thought you meant this literally, not wrt Allegory in Jennagames

frank light Nov 1, 2024, 11:09 PM

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“Is this allegory” but in the same cadence of “is this praxis”

vivid wraith Nov 1, 2024, 11:10 PM

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i'm always saying this

obsidian dagger Nov 2, 2024, 12:35 AM

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There is a lot of competition for all the Silver stuff too. Creature of the Light keeps feeling vaguely relevant? But I have a truly cursed potential option for Indomitable...

narrow tartan Nov 2, 2024, 12:39 AM

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Hmm. The question, Why do the council of four 'rule' earth is interesting.

obsidian dagger Nov 2, 2024, 1:15 AM

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The problem with having one perfect match for a song is that nothing else is as perfect.

vivid wraith Nov 2, 2024, 1:18 AM

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narrow tartan Hmm. The question, Why do the council of four 'rule' earth is interesting.

There seems to be some kind of all-Imperial organization to pull together the war effort, if nothing else

candid compass Nov 2, 2024, 1:23 AM

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Earth is strategically quite important

narrow tartan Nov 2, 2024, 2:34 AM

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Nods. But specifically. The appointed, volunteered, elected etc

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If they are unique weirdos it suggests a different scenario from belonging to prexisting types

rose crescent Nov 2, 2024, 3:35 AM

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magic mason Nov 2, 2024, 7:45 PM

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obsidian dagger Nov 3, 2024, 12:47 AM

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I don't know why you posted this here but yeah

vivid wraith Nov 3, 2024, 12:47 AM

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spoon estate properties

obsidian dagger Nov 3, 2024, 12:47 AM

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fair

frank light Nov 3, 2024, 1:20 AM

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obsidian dagger I don't know why you posted this here but yeah

animism

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this is like peak nobilis shit

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this is entirely in theme with nobilis

obsidian dagger Nov 3, 2024, 1:21 AM

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fair

magic mason Nov 3, 2024, 2:19 AM

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obsidian dagger I don't know why you posted this here but yeah

animism post
this is what the Mythic World is like

narrow tartan Nov 3, 2024, 3:35 AM

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Pareidolia is only a thing on earth. And in truth it isn't seeing faces in things, it is seeing the faces that are actually there that the prosaic world hides from us

vivid wraith Nov 3, 2024, 3:36 AM

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oooooh

narrow tartan Nov 3, 2024, 3:41 AM

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Its. I want to come up with an Imperator of every type. I only have three. The Angel of Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll doesn't count.

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But. One of them is a True God

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With the Estates of Museums, Pareidolia, Mist, and Provenance.

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Her chancel is a cthonic realm inhabited by dead kings (and other dead people)

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Oh. Treasure! Serpent of Jigsaw Puzzles, Bioluminescence, Treasure and (Ring of Fire not proper Estate)

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Fallen Angel of Sharks, Anxiety, Clowns, and Teeth.

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Bromios Gamer/Darklord/Magister of Wine, Riots, and Exotic Pets.

fleet harbor Nov 3, 2024, 9:38 AM

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My imperator OC is the Wildlord of Biology, Information, and Theater

fleet harbor Nov 3, 2024, 1:35 PM

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Proposal: Alfred is an Imperator with only 1-2 estates and Bruce is his Power

restive ridge Nov 3, 2024, 1:48 PM

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Bruce is his Estate

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Joker is his Power

gloomy oasis Nov 3, 2024, 1:56 PM

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narrow tartan Its. I want to come up with an Imperator of every type. I only have three. The A...

Why not?

magic mason Nov 3, 2024, 5:22 PM

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Troubled but your Curse is The Fucking Snail

magic mason Nov 3, 2024, 8:07 PM

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the ghost of a shut down MMO becomes a Noble

vivid wraith Nov 3, 2024, 8:28 PM

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https://youtu.be/W2TE0DjdNqI?feature=shared

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narrow tartan Nov 3, 2024, 10:45 PM

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Cthulhu is a True God. His Estates are the Deeps, Hybrids, Things-You-Wish-You-Didn't-Know, and Funky Triangles.

fleet harbor Nov 3, 2024, 10:51 PM

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ehehehehe

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I like this

narrow tartan Nov 3, 2024, 11:23 PM

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Hmm. World fruit metaphors.

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Including. My conception of Earth vs other world. That most worlds have a "prosaic world". But most worlds it is like the skin of an apple. While earth the prosaic is an orange peel

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Also other weird metaphors

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Star Trek is a bunch of grapes. A bunch of words clustered together with similar rules.

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Star Wars is like a raspberry or blackberry. The worlds are grown together. You can still see where the seperate worlds once existed but have now merged into one big world with space in between different bits

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Durian world is interesting to think about

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Hmm.

magic mason Nov 3, 2024, 11:37 PM

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narrow tartan Cthulhu is a True God. His Estates are the Deeps, Hybrids, Things-You-Wish-You-D...

I have a take about this
Vastness is a great stat for a Cthulu

I will say, those estates are more Dagon coded than Cthulu

narrow tartan Nov 3, 2024, 11:40 PM

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What Estates would you associate with Cthulhu?

magic mason Nov 3, 2024, 11:45 PM

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narrow tartan What Estates would you associate with Cthulhu?

Things-You-Wish-You-Didn't-Know still works
but I would say Ruins, Dreams and if you wanna be Cheeky Xothians or something

fleet harbor Nov 3, 2024, 11:47 PM

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Immortality, maybe?

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“In strange aeons even death may die”

patent tiger Nov 3, 2024, 11:51 PM

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The Other

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 12:28 AM

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...currently looking at the list of 101 sample wishes for Chuubo... pick a number and I'll tell you the corresponding wish.

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 12:30 AM

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My favorite is 101!

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Or wel

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100 followed by 101

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 12:32 AM

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oh yeah those two together tells a funny little story. Sometimes consecutive wishes are obviously linked, but also... look at 97 and 98 together. Do you think they're linked? Because they might not be, but they also totally could be.

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 12:32 AM

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Oh hit me with…67

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And 21

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 12:33 AM

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67: “I wish people would pay more attention to how cool my tie looks.”
21: “I wish that the Star Wars prequel trilogy was good.”

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 12:34 AM

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HAH

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 12:47 AM

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obsidian dagger ...currently looking at the list of 101 sample wishes for Chuubo... pick a numbe...

2

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 12:48 AM

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“I wish this headache would go away.”

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 12:48 AM

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47

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 12:49 AM

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“I wish Arkady Sosunov were more confident."

vivid wraith Nov 4, 2024, 12:49 AM

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41

narrow tartan Nov 4, 2024, 12:50 AM

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Hmm. Perhaps the Not is more real than the Is.

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 12:50 AM

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“I wish that I were better at making wishes involving ice cream.”
For some context, 39 is “I wish an ice cream would appear, and then events would proceed naturally” and 40 is "I wish an ice cream would appear in a context such as to allow me to eat it, and then events would proceed naturally.”

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 12:52 AM

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narrow tartan Hmm. Perhaps the Not is more real than the Is.

The funky thing is that imo they’re both equally real but they privilege different definitions of what real is

narrow tartan Nov 4, 2024, 12:53 AM

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And Cthulhu Estates... Hmm. It also depends a little on if Cthulhu is Cthulhu in the context of lovecraft stories or if he is something that Lovecraft was driven to write about

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 12:54 AM

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My take on Lovecraft stories n general is that they embody a central take that nature (in the broad and narrow senses) fuckin’ sucks, yo

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I don’t know if Cthulhu is the fullest embodiment of that take

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It might be color out of space

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 12:57 AM

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I find myself enamored with the exarch description again.

It really fucks and shows off how Lore is a stat of immortal things and laws.
If not a law being, it represents a pseudo ordering of things at level 7

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It’s pretty cool

narrow tartan Nov 4, 2024, 12:58 AM

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Nods definitely!

magic mason Nov 4, 2024, 1:04 AM

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narrow tartan And Cthulhu Estates... Hmm. It also depends a little on if Cthulhu is Cthulhu in...

personally I am also big on leaning into Priest/Scientitist of the old ones Cthulhu

narrow tartan Nov 4, 2024, 1:09 AM

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Hmm. The relationship between events in the mythic and the prosaic. And. Whether or not things are obligated to act in accordance with their own nature. And. The nature of volition vis recognizable sophonts and other spirits. Identity, composite stuffness.

restive ridge Nov 4, 2024, 7:13 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/JumpChain/s/65ymphq4Fp

From the JumpChain community on Reddit

Explore this post and more from the JumpChain community

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157 page Jumpdoc for Nobilis

vivid wraith Nov 4, 2024, 7:15 AM

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no way

reef perch Nov 4, 2024, 7:30 AM

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what's a jumpdoc

restive ridge Nov 4, 2024, 7:32 AM

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Oh this is old old 2e stuff

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Wait no its referencing Chuubo and 4e stats in other parts

vivid wraith Nov 4, 2024, 7:45 AM

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I caught it using Glitch stats for Strategists

restive ridge Nov 4, 2024, 7:51 AM

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reef perch what's a jumpdoc

https://jumpchain.fandom.com/wiki/How_To_Play

Jumpchain Wikia

How To Play

Jumpchain is a single-player "Choose Your Own Adventure" (CYOA) type game. Exactly how you play it will depend on what you enjoy and get out of it. Like a normal CYOA, you will be presented with a...

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Essentially writting about an OC/Self-Insert jumping from setting to setting and getting stronger along the way. A Jumpdoc is a document explaining the setting, how the OC appears in it and gives you points to spend on getting powers.
(I dont like jumpchains but they are a cousin of neo-CYOAs so Im studying them out of curiosity and stumbled upon this)

narrow tartan Nov 4, 2024, 12:54 PM

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Green Arcs are. About corruption and entanglement with the Other? Correct?

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=69VV0pH57XE

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Bridget is a true god? But would this be a green arc or a black arc?

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 8:29 PM

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I considered that actually but couldn't decide what it was, or if it was actually Become Somebody or even Star Quality.

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That said, I think that skews most towards Prophet?

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Johnny is almost certainly Allegory but I don't know if that means his song is.

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There's also an argument for Creature of the Light.

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or even for Indomitable... which is weird Johnny doesn't feel like he should be so Immortal but he kind of is?

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 8:38 PM

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I suppose he is immortal

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Wait no not Johnny

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Nvm

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 8:38 PM

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Are you thinking of Axl?

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All the Guilty Gear songs seemed too "messy" for me to pin to an arc, which is a shame because they slap, but that doesn't make them better examples.

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 8:39 PM

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Was thinking of sol

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Who is I believe explicitly immortal and can turn into a fire dragon

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 8:40 PM

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Oh yeah he's so Allegory. He even has a Tangled History.

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And has a signature weapon and a signature vehicle.

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I don't think he's a Child of the Ash, even with his shapeshifting. Dragon Install might just be Superior Gear skill stuff, or maybe his Legendary Weapon but I doubt it, or maybe something else... I could see it as just being what happens when he flares his aura for Chosen One, if he in fact has that?

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 8:47 PM

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Hmm

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I could see ace maybe? I know ace has kinda an aura sometimes

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He doesn’t seem to be himself that good at magic or blasting away an enemy

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 8:48 PM

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I think his magic skill is Superior Gear, which he uses for his various fireballs, if he in fact has Chosen One?

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I could see an argument for Ace, but it doesn't feel right? He's good at a lot of stuff, but I could imagine a plot where he's stymied by not knowing how to do something, I think. I think the distinguishing feature of an Ace isn't that they know literally everything, but the idea of them facing an obstacle due to not knowing how to do something just doesn't make sense.

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 8:56 PM

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Hmmm

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Maybe

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Though sol does seem to have a lot of competencies

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He’s good at building, he’s a scientist, he’s good at fighting, he’s just…got a strong grasp on a lot of things

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He may not know how to do something but he evidently knows how to figure it out really fast

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Which feels pretty ace to me

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 8:58 PM

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Fair enough. I was going to say it was obviously wrong at first blush, because he doesn't visually read as skilled, but I could totally see the argument for Ace. He doesn't look like one (I think because his fighting style looks crude, almost, with a big slab of metal?) but I can see a strong argument there.

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 9:16 PM

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Yeah

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He’s like, a quantum physicist it’s wild

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He seems crude but he’s pretty smart

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 9:19 PM

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You could argue that as Gatekeeper but I'm pretty sure he's not. He doesn't really use science for a ton of stuff, besides his weapons and off-screen stuff... yeah Allegory and Ace might be correct.

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...thinking about Elden Ring now, and how very Fallen-coded Miquella is. "All things will flourish, whether graceful, or malign." (Although that's technically cut content and maybe not 100% accurate... but it's close. ||But then there's also all the ways he's Rules-coded...||

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I don't know. It was just a random interjection into the guilty gear stuff I guess.

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 9:29 PM

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Excrucian justifications for murder:
Deceiver: You don't actually exist
Strategist: You deserve it
Warmain: I felt like it okay
Mimic: AAAAAAAAAAAA

candid compass Nov 4, 2024, 9:30 PM

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Sometimes Strategists are also on the "killing you is actually a kindness" juice

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 9:31 PM

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I thought the Warmain justification was more likely to be "oops"?

candid compass Nov 4, 2024, 9:33 PM

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candid compass Sometimes Strategists are also on the "killing you is actually a kindness" juice

this also reminded me that Jagganoth K6BD is very Strategist coded

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he is Dying of Violence

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 9:34 PM

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True

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High Wyrd so he's also very good at using violence

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Wyrd primary, with an even spread of other things?

candid compass Nov 4, 2024, 9:35 PM

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some amount of Flore ironically I think, though not too much

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the immortality nails are probably a treasure, though you could also model them as a geas I suppose
or just the Immortality gift

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 9:36 PM

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I really need to catch up on it, but... as much as he's Strategist-coded, he also seems like he could be Warmain-coded wielding the Test of Violence? He certainly wouldn't mind Indomitable... or Allegory for that matter, although I'm less sure about that one.

candid compass Nov 4, 2024, 9:38 PM

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my reasoning is mostly that Jagg very much suffers

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and his way of taking out his anger and hatred of the source of his suffering on the world is very Strategist like as well

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 9:38 PM

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Fair enough.

candid compass Nov 4, 2024, 9:38 PM

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as is his whole bit of seeing oblivion preferable to an eternity of suffering

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 9:38 PM

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I'm not caught up fully, awkwardly.

candid compass Nov 4, 2024, 9:54 PM

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it's just his general vibe
he has suffered, and because of that suffering he concludes that the world cannot be fixed

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the only option is to burn it all down

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 9:58 PM

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obsidian dagger I really need to catch up on it, but... as much as he's Strategist-coded, he als...

I think it doesn't quite fit because Jagg is not hoping for someone to do well against his violence

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He doesn't have some secret desire for you to be cool at him

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He doesn't even believe it's possible

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Any cool thing you do, Jagg believes is either futile (because it's not violence) or awful but inevitable (because it is violence)

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The World Is Wrong

obsidian dagger Nov 4, 2024, 10:00 PM

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fair.

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 10:03 PM

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Jagg is The Guy Who Learned The Wrong Lesson From All Of Tom's Parables :D

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 10:04 PM

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Yeah he’s got a serious world is wrong thing

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Just his Eide is more physical and skillset more focused on fighting directly

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His destruction, if I had to guess, is something for cutting slices in the world

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Wyrd 4, Eide 5, immortal, and a geas for infinite swords

fleet harbor Nov 4, 2024, 10:06 PM

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I kinda imagine him expressing his Wyrd through what appear to be physical actions

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But either way, really

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 10:16 PM

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True

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Could be a fun restriction too

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Because then it means locking his movement means he can’t use destruction unless he’s in infection state

candid compass Nov 4, 2024, 10:23 PM

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Jagg is for sure a Sword-bearer

frank light Nov 4, 2024, 11:44 PM

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I overlook my kingdom in eternity, humming a silent tune, absent notes echoing in the negative space of my chambers.

It isn't a solemn kingdom, a temple that isn't made of stone, that isn't in an ocean, that doesn't guard a constellation of chained labyrinths floating in the skies. Skies that aren't full of night and falling stars.

It isn't a place of silent nothing, rich in its absences. But one day, there is a distant rumbling. It was not *Not* a distant rumbling, but instead *WAS* a distant rumbling. It caught my attention, and the attention of my kingdom. It echoed through the absences of my halls, shook the Not-chains of the floating labyrinths.

I look to the disturbance, in curiosity and mild annoyance. The denizens of the great spear of fire, which appeared some time ago, or perhaps just at that moment(it did not matter), were the culprits. 

And there, I see it. I noticed it. The thing that was Wrong. The Sin, the Abhorrence, the Injustice. It Disgusted me.
And in Noticing it, it burst forth from the world. Chains that were not made of iron, but instead stone and salt, bursting forth from existence to pierce me.

And as I wailed in sharp divine agony, my kingdom crumbled, the temple that wasn't stone flooding with oceans that were not salt, chains that were not there shattering, and floating labyrinths scattering to the edges of Ninuan.

For the first time in my eternity, as the poison of existence seeped into my being, I felt rage, and I felt judgement.

This sin, it was not just a sin for what it has done to me, but it was a sin for what it represented. I looked upon its squirming flaming form, cupped within a flickering blue wall, I judged it, and found it *Unworthy of its existence, Unworthy of standing before the Not*

was in a glitch mood

restive ridge Nov 5, 2024, 6:53 AM

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obsidian dagger Nov 5, 2024, 6:57 AM

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That is targeted at such a specific audience.

vivid wraith Nov 5, 2024, 6:59 AM

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this one's good

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this one's really good

gloomy oasis Nov 5, 2024, 3:47 PM

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I miss Magic of Incarnum and am sad neither 4th nor 5th has brought it back.

fleet harbor Nov 5, 2024, 3:51 PM

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MoI was really cool

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FWIW PF2e's new exemplar class has shades of Incarnum

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It's quite different but the idea is present

restive ridge Nov 5, 2024, 8:09 PM

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vivid wraith Nov 5, 2024, 8:15 PM

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so true

obsidian dagger Nov 6, 2024, 8:15 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EehtkGu7Imk is this Creature of Delirium? Is it something? Or is it too "muddy" to use as an example of an arc?

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restive ridge Nov 6, 2024, 6:05 PM

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Average Glitch party is a 50/50 split of these two

vivid wraith Nov 6, 2024, 6:05 PM

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so true

patent tiger Nov 6, 2024, 6:05 PM

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And that's why it's great

narrow tartan Nov 6, 2024, 6:25 PM

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I understand Hikaru's feelings

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Does an animal spirit necessarily correspond to an individual animal?

frank light Nov 6, 2024, 6:40 PM

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how do you mean

candid compass Nov 6, 2024, 6:43 PM

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I'd assume that each animal has its own spirit, but that there may also be a spirit of those animals in aggregate

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Ie there a bird may have its individual spirit, but there's also an aggregate spirit of a flock of birds

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Spirits are kinda fractal like that a lot of the time

narrow tartan Nov 6, 2024, 6:55 PM

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Nod. One of the idea things I had was that. Volition/being a person in a similar way to a human rather than as a spirit is perhaps the byproduct of spirits of love, hate and other things that do not readily express themselves in nature. Which raises the question if animal spirits can end up somewhere without animals and then try and make their associated animals a thing

vivid wraith Nov 6, 2024, 7:08 PM

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That could be cool

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2e has a spirit of "humans as apex predator/environmental destruction" that seems a little out of context from the rest of what humans can be
Spirits can get funky

narrow tartan Nov 6, 2024, 11:36 PM

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Werewolf the Foresaken has some suddenly funny crossover maybe? At least what I know from 1e

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 3:25 AM

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...ok, what arc is this? I'm guessing Creature of Fable. The character feels Creature of Fable in general.

magic mason Nov 7, 2024, 4:41 AM

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Deceiver who Experiences Purity

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 5:17 AM

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Unity is probably at least a bit Creature of Fable? Something frantic.

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 6:15 AM

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Wait, no, this is Creature of Fable.

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The character in question is named Tigerlily Jones.

vivid wraith Nov 7, 2024, 7:55 AM

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I love froofs

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 11:52 AM

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Fish monk

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… monkfish

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That’s

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It’s a pun

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Yeah exactly

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It also might be jingling crystal bee

magic mason Nov 7, 2024, 4:48 PM

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fleet harbor Fish monk

Lake monk is hoop snake is jingling Crystal be

candid compass Nov 7, 2024, 5:29 PM

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Jingling Crystal Bee is my favorite Hoop Snake

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 6:36 PM

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jingling crystal bee!

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 6:48 PM

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TFW you notice your character has 4 different tools for miraculous information gathering on tap at all times and a bond that gives them +5 Strike to doing so

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 6:51 PM

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lmao

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 6:52 PM

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I’m so sorry Karen

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 6:54 PM

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Nah I’m good I’m good

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 6:59 PM

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XD

reef perch Nov 7, 2024, 7:05 PM

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when the crystal bee is jingling

restive ridge Nov 7, 2024, 7:20 PM

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fleet harbor TFW you notice your character has 4 different tools for miraculous information g...

And they say Nobles dont have access to Greater Investigation smh

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 7:24 PM

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Robin has:

Powerful necromantic senses backed by a gift equivalent to Aspect 6
A mars rover with a magical sensor suite
A mind virus with self-awareness
Domain 4
Bond 5: "I always figure out the truth, no matter how little sense that makes!"

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 9:33 PM

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Actuals: Reality's mojibake.

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 10:29 PM

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Why is this quote making me think of this channel? (Probably because I was already thinking about Froofs and Chuubo's previously and so they naturally blended.)

“Real isn’t how you are made,’ said the Skin Horse. ‘It’s a thing that happens to you. When a child loves you for a long, long time, not just to play with, but REALLY loves you, then you become Real.’

‘Does it hurt?’ asked the Rabbit.

‘Sometimes,’ said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful. ‘When you are Real you don’t mind being hurt.’

‘Does it happen all at once, like being wound up,’ he asked, ‘or bit by bit?’

‘It doesn’t happen all at once,’ said the Skin Horse. ‘You become. It takes a long time. That’s why it doesn’t happen often to people who break easily, or have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don’t matter at all, because once you are Real you can’t be ugly, except to people who don’t understand.”

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Also because this has intense Glitch vibes

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The Most Intense

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Chuubo's and Nobilis too, I suppose, but Glitch is what really hits me

vivid wraith Nov 7, 2024, 10:31 PM

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yeah

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yeah

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 10:34 PM

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This is what Flore looks like

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 10:35 PM

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Honestly it probably would be Flore since that's also what Actuals get IIRC (I forget which purple they have off the top of my head but I think it's Sentimental) and this becoming real fits that also.

narrow tartan Nov 7, 2024, 10:37 PM

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They get architect (Impresario) now

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My thought was Fallen

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 10:37 PM

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Actuals get architect/impresario yeah

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Sentimental/flore is the power of strategists and powers to infuse and uplift the world

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 10:43 PM

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Right, Actuals were a bit uncertain on their arcs for a while.

magic mason Nov 7, 2024, 10:45 PM

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obsidian dagger Right, Actuals were a bit uncertain on their arcs for a while.

the final actual arcs are

Become Somebody
Gatecrasher
Awakening
Impersario

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 10:47 PM

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Technically a very slight spoiler for Skin Horse but it's extremely vague, and nonsensical out of context (and dubiously sensical in context), but this is just very... something. Very Practical, probably.

vivid wraith Nov 7, 2024, 10:47 PM

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Prosaic Rites

obsidian dagger Nov 7, 2024, 10:48 PM

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...note that this is the same character.

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...she does a lot of technically-not-mad science.

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 11:13 PM

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Flore is particular to Powers and Strategists

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Which I really find fascinating from a thematic perspective

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Especially since it's pretty explicitly stated in Glitch that Flore is intimately tied to love

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 11:17 PM

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yeah

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or at least, care

patent tiger Nov 7, 2024, 11:17 PM

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Flore is the treason stat

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 11:18 PM

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in glitch for strategists it is still a void tinged ability

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it is their power to infuse things with the void and make them powerful

patent tiger Nov 7, 2024, 11:18 PM

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Both Nobles and Strategists have contexts where treason is emotional meaningful and painful

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 11:18 PM

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but it is also one that requires care for the thing youre infusing

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i imagine for nobles its probably got a vibe of being empowered by their divinity or their estate, kinda like how in 3e their treasures resonate with their estate a bit

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so its neat!

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it is neat that the two stats for being the classic "spinners" or "artifact makers" have...fascinating vibes. And not even opposed vibes! just fascinatingly different
Flore and Lore are both powered by like, mental disconnection

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for flore you disorient yourself by immersing in creation

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and lore you become alien by immersing in the alien energies and logic of your sphere

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combined there is that weird capability to use the Void to make artifacts or weave it into the world
or even make abhorrent weapons n stuff

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theyre wacky

narrow tartan Nov 7, 2024, 11:22 PM

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Flore should have a name that thematically matches the Gardener and Architect

vivid wraith Nov 7, 2024, 11:22 PM

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I think Golden Hours uses Sentimental

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 11:26 PM

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frank light but it is also one that requires care for the thing youre infusing

And care in a sort of ... creational framework, as I see it, even if your anchor is a thing of the Not

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 11:27 PM

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you i believe cant anchor things of the Not, at least not in glitch

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 11:27 PM

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Oh, really? Huh.

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 11:27 PM

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it has to have some amount of...Is in it

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ye

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 11:27 PM

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Okay

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 11:27 PM

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you have to immerse yourself in creation

vivid wraith Nov 7, 2024, 11:27 PM

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get immersed

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 11:27 PM

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your power may be of the void but you do indeed have to immerse yourself and disorient yourself in the rivers of it to utilize that power

fleet harbor Nov 7, 2024, 11:28 PM

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Horrible thought: Strategist who doesn't know how it works anchors a not-thing, infuses it with Creation in the process

frank light Nov 7, 2024, 11:28 PM

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this is for context, the cost ladder of what it generally feels like to use each amount of immersion

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this is, everything else

vivid wraith Nov 8, 2024, 12:33 AM

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average chancery chapter

obsidian dagger Nov 8, 2024, 7:12 AM

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Okay yeah Tigerlily Jones from Skin Horse has Creature of Fable. Probably also Gatecrasher.

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Something Blue, but as improbable as her inventions are, they're mostly (but not exclusively) used to make minions...

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but yeah this is Creature of Fable (and probably not spoilers but I'm spoilering it to make sure)

frank light Nov 8, 2024, 3:45 PM

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Lmaoooo

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Yeah

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That’s creature of fable/hunter

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Believing so very strongly in something generally really hard to prove

narrow tartan Nov 8, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Warmain writing fanfic of people they are thinking of hunting

fleet harbor Nov 8, 2024, 10:30 PM

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Oh god warmain RPF

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ahahahahaha

narrow tartan Nov 8, 2024, 10:42 PM

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Nods. I think. I like that trait for my best conceived Warmain. Maybe.

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She crosses real life over with the Walking Dead.

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Oh. There was a quest on Sufficient Velocity in which a main character had written super cringey RPF about magical girls (which existed in that world)

obsidian dagger Nov 8, 2024, 10:50 PM

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yup, Creature of Fable. Cut the Soul can do fun things.

frank light Nov 8, 2024, 10:50 PM

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Hahahahaha

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Yeah

obsidian dagger Nov 8, 2024, 10:59 PM

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this isn't a specific thing but I'm 90% sure this is the name of an Aspect quest, or something very similar to it is.

vivid wraith Nov 8, 2024, 11:03 PM

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blackmailing your dog in a shadow government sauna

obsidian dagger Nov 8, 2024, 11:03 PM

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While I do think the dog has been blackmailed in this, she wasn't in the sauna at the time, unfortunately.

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Also, the dog is equally likely to be the one doing the blackmailing.

vivid wraith Nov 8, 2024, 11:10 PM

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girlboss

obsidian dagger Nov 8, 2024, 11:15 PM

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This is definitely some flavor of break from reality.

obsidian dagger Nov 9, 2024, 1:50 AM

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Hunger...
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• ...demands that you live.
• ...demands that you heed it.
• ...demands that it be satisfied.
• ...is not satisfied.```

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Trying to figure out if it's more Green, or more Wounded Angel.

vivid wraith Nov 9, 2024, 1:55 AM

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It feels like a blasphemy imo

obsidian dagger Nov 9, 2024, 1:57 AM

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yeah probably. The manga does not in any way clarify and also this isn't literally canon (as proven through the funniest way possible — the character correctly holds a fork at one point) but yeah probably wounded angel. And sometimes the Blasphemy dislikes the Wounded Angel to some extent, and sometimes it likes the Wounded Angel.

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