Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF) | Pilot NET | Page 13

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 8:54 PM

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You reach into your heart and push harder

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Or for domain it’s like…you can just touch your estate if you feel it right

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Or breath it out

fleet harbor Oct 7, 2024, 8:58 PM

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That's my view as well

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"A level 6 miracle with +3 strike" is a mechanical conceit, but a miraculous being simply is miraculous, especially wrt stuff that has no MP cost

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:03 PM

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Yeah

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I think stuff like facing wards is noticing that there is resistance to making your will manifest

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And thus paying to push past that is just actually stressing yourself

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Stunting isn’t cheating a mundane action based on your technique

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It’s just something you can do

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If you’re at Eide 2, you can do it instinctually

narrow tartan Oct 7, 2024, 9:08 PM

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Nods. Yeh.

fleet harbor Oct 7, 2024, 9:08 PM

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If you're using MP or costs you've gotta push

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But that's not fundamentally different than using Will or taking Wear or whatever

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:11 PM

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Yeah

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And what it means to push could vary

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For persona it may mean pushing your sense of self to the limit

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For lore it may mean pushing your sanity

fleet harbor Oct 7, 2024, 9:12 PM

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Or even pushing something sort of abstract and hard to explain

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"I had to use up my reserves of blue"

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:15 PM

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Yeah

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“I’m all out of sweetener”
“Huh??”

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:16 PM

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it's all the wishing power of the heart, ultimately. Which is why Creature of Fable can equally disable all of it.

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:17 PM

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Wishing power of the heart vs bleak power of the outside is how chuubos puts it but

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There do seem to be multiple power sources that aren’t just wishing power of the heart

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At least, when it comes to strategists

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Their power sources for miracles are their identity, their immersion in the world, their understanding of the alien void, and their soul/emotions.

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Though then again, hunter/creature of fable is associated with the bleak outside/void, both through some flavor and with Cut The Soul

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:20 PM

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it's the twilit interstices.

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(I was feeling unnecessarily poetic.)

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:20 PM

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Hahaha that’s fair

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The two splats in Nobilis that use it are warmains and gamelords which…while I wouldn’t immediately say warmains are between two worlds(at least not any more than any other excrucian)

Gamelords certainly are

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Hell they’ve even got wanderer/called away

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:22 PM

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it's why Creature of Fable is supposed to have Superior Hunter even if you're something like Elvis.

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I'm not kidding; that's a specific example discussed.

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:22 PM

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Yeah

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We don’t have a creature of fable in the group I’m about to run but we do have a creature of delirium

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Oh, fun.

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Different, but fun still.

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:23 PM

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Yeah

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We have the Angel

Awakening and delirium
Their awakening thing is that they see the world as a video game

Their delirium experience is Choice

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This is uh…for the deltarune chuubos

vivid wraith Oct 7, 2024, 9:24 PM

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hehehehehhehehe

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:25 PM

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Ah yes

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And stepnix here has primordial and indomitable

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I’m quite excited to see how those go

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:26 PM

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so what's a character's weymark, then?

candid compass Oct 7, 2024, 9:27 PM

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it looks like a tangle of strings

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:27 PM

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Yeah

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Bundles or tangles of glowing strings usually with some symbolic color

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They squirm sometimes
And you can cut strings to eliminate choices from their life
Or tangle it up yourself!

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:32 PM

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oh I like that.

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that vaguely reminds me of that time I tried to stat up a PC version of Ada McNae (a one-off character who's an NPC for... I think Rosewood's campaign? One of the Horizon teachers.) She's also on Awakening and does stuff involving tangling up threads and I'm inordinately proud of the PC bio I wrote for her and want to share it.

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:34 PM

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Ooooo interesting hell yeah

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:35 PM

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Uh, I'll have to break it up because it's a bit too verbose

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Ada McNae

Academics Skill: Erratic
Sports Skill: Below Average
Favorite Foods: Daifuku, Strawberries, Strawberry Daifuku, Bananas, fresh fruit in general
Blood Type: O
Animal: Bird (oropendola)
Age: Campaign Default

In an ordinary town, you'd probably be described as "the weird one".  You don't seem to know or remember even basic facts (including, alas, whatever's on the week's test!), but sometimes know obscure trivia basically at random.  You're a young teenager, but people have mistaken you for an 8-year-old... more often than you'd like to admit; this usually annoys you, but sometimes they give you free stuff and you're not going to complain about that.  You have what could be politely described as an optimistic view of your athletic ability, which is to say you tend to run into and trip over stuff a lot.  You have dark grey eyes which don't look quite like anybody else's you've ever seen.  (This includes your parents, who look pretty different from you in general.  You're still waiting for them to tell you you're adopted, but whenever you hint at it they act like they don't know what you're talking about.  You're not sure whether they somehow think you haven't realized, they're messing with you, or you have a very interesting family history.)  You like to sew.  As a hobby.  Sometimes when you're stressed, you make lace.```

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But this is Town, and you're human, and you get excited about all the appropriate festivals and eat the same foods and complain about the same classes, so this makes you pretty normal by all rights.  The sheer number of clubs and other organizations you've found yourself in certainly doesn't hurt with getting people to accept you; honestly you're not entirely sure how it happened but you keep accidentally joining clubs and then somehow ending up in influential positions?  Anyway, between being the treasurer of the School Chess Club, the president of the Needlepoint Club (admittedly as a result of nobody else remaining in the club, as they all graduated or left the club around the time you joined, and it only exists as a club at all due to a number of students who have technically failed to leave the club before getting lost in the Outside or transformed into something wildly different.  But: fingers crossed, you have a hot lead on a second member!), the secretary of the Horizon Mountaineering Club (stymied slightly by Horizon's lack of mountains), a typist for the Horizon Terminological Institute, and the girl who helped calm the war between the natural-fiber and synthetic-blend factions of the local crochet group, you have a lot on your plate!  So, when you have a moment to simply hang out with friends your own age, you... well, you still tend to throw yourself into it at full speed, but contrary to appearances you are relaxed.  And, more to the point, tired, and prone to silly things.  Hence, that time when you climbed up one of School's outside walls to try to figure out what kind of bird had made a nest in the windowsill, slipped, felt a odd tugging sensation as you fell, and abruptly realized that nearly everything described above is false.```

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(Is that formatting annoying and I should use standard text formatting for Part 2 of it?)

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:36 PM

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Nah that works

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:37 PM

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Academic Skill: Good
Sports Skill: Below Average
Favorite Foods: Daifuku (especially strawberry daifuku), causal loops, fresh fruit
Blood Type: null
Animal: Bird (cowbird)
Age: Campaign Default + 10i```

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:38 PM

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Oh lmao I love that

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:38 PM

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Your purpose is to destroy existence.```

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Now: this is a tricky task for a teenager! Fortunately, you're not actually a teenager, and are in fact an extratemporal entity made of time-crossing fifth-dimensional filaments. Alas, you can't just reach over, grab the timestream you find yourself hovering above, and scrunch it up into a little ball. So, instead, you reached out a few of your temporal filament-tendrils into reality at various points in time. Sometimes they'd be really small little things, a bird turning its head left instead of right, an apple falling out of a tree. Sometimes, you'd even weave together some of those filaments into a sort of person-shaped arm. Then, you'd try to get that arm tangled up in as much of the timestream as possible, so you could pull at a few of those threads and try to unweave reality. If all else failed, once an arm got entangled, you could just yank it out and pull a chunk of reality out with it. Given enough... time? meta-time? imaginary time? kime?... this approach would have probably worked. Only, once, when you were trying to tug at a particularly human-shaped limb, it happened to unexpectedly fall, which ended up yanking at your limb instead and pulling a bit of you into the arm instead. This led to a pair of horrifying revelations: first, that "you" were in fact the limb of an extratemporal entity trying to entangle itself into and then destroy existence; and, secondly, that if you looked at existence from the inside it looked like it was full of really interesting and cool things, and even actual real people! Honestly, you're not sure how to handle either of those. For now, you're kinda... stalling on that whole "destroy reality" thing and getting used to being a tendril on the arm of a world-destroying abomination.

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(it was just barely too long for one message so I had to split it kind of awkwardly there.)

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:39 PM

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AWWW

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THATS ADORABLE UES YES YES

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THEYRE LIKE THE BOTFLY BUT CUUUUUTE

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<3333

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Omg

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:39 PM

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frank light THEYRE LIKE THE BOTFLY BUT CUUUUUTE

Sorry that was an oblique all night laundry reference

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But yes I love this

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:40 PM

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there's also an alternate default-male version, Ron McNae, the Reality Obliteration Nabla — a sentient, malevolent mathematical constant which defines other things in terms of itself and then simplifies them out of existence.

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it was a very fun coincidence that oropendolas are birds that like fruit, and are associated with weaving, and are frequently subjected to brood parasitism (by cowbirds).

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:41 PM

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Haha

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I like the idea that both the limb and giant intersection tangle are both like

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Stalling

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On that whole task

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:42 PM

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sort of gradually realizing that when you view reality from the inside, it looks like something that maybe shouldn't be destroyed?

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:43 PM

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“…well shit” “well fuck”

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:44 PM

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also, for alternate origins:

Actually, your puppet was never human! You took some mud and sticks and scrap metal and stuff and wove them together like a changeling into a very, very human-like marionette...

...and nobody's realized it yet.

...and everybody's being very polite and pretending that they haven't figured it out already.

...and this kind of thing happens reasonably often in the Waking Fields, though, so it's not a big deal when people found out you were made of sticks and mud. (They haven't figured out that you're a puppet on the arm of a reality-destroyer, though.)

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:44 PM

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Lmao

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:45 PM

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As to what Ada McNae is? Personally, I was assuming that she was created whole cloth (if you'll excuse the pun) by combining fifth-dimensional time filaments and random fragments of causality and weaving them together into a person, and then placing that person into reality such that she could be adopted by the McNae family. But maybe:

You wove Ada out of a possible biological child of the McNae's, who would never exist, but whose theoretical self could be realized into a useful puppet.

You possessed an actual human being...

...and basically took over their identity wholesale. Sometimes you mourn them.

...and basically took over their identity wholesale, but they were going to die and you took over the parts of their potential lifespan that they wouldn't have lived, so no harm was done.

...and, now that you've realized what you are, are vaguely aware of their mind alongside yours. It's disorienting, sometimes.

...and formed a mental gestalt with them. Maybe this is why you're suddenly aware of everything, on account of simultaneously being both minds?

...and subtly touched their subconcious. You are in fact a real person, and have just come to the realization that an extradimensional reality-destroying entity had shoved a tendril into your subconcious.

You highjacked the birth of one of the biological McNae children as a way to inject yourself into reality, by having Ada be born as a twin to the "real" child.

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:47 PM

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Oooo

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:47 PM

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one of her powers that she gives out with Awakening is a little bit of lace embroidery on some article of clothing, which causes that clothing to be appropriate formalwear.

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:48 PM

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Awww

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Cute

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:48 PM

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Example items:

A bit of lace embroidery for any piece of clothing, which transforms said clothing into appropriate formalwear. (Note that people don't need to see the embroidery to think this! This doesn't convince people the clothing is formal, so much as it changes the fundamental character of the clothing.)

A bandage which can retroactively erase any wound sustained in the past few minutes, so long as the entire thing is covered.

A pair of mittens which are completely immune to fire or heat. (This probably doesn't grant any particular protection to the person wearing the mittens, to be clear.)

A thin, finely-woven cord; if a person thinks really hard about something while tying the cord around their finger, then, once they untie it, they'll suddenly remember what they were thinking about, in perfect detail.

A knitted hat which always fits perfectly, no matter who wears it.

A sweater that's so distinctive-looking that if people see you wearing it, they'll be hard-pressed to remember (or possibly even notice) other details of your appearance and especially the rest of your outfit.

A pair of friendship bracelets which will spontaneously unravel under specific circumstances (such as if they're too far away from each other, or if the other person gets knocked unconscious, or significantly injured, or stuff like that; the details vary.)

A bracelet or other small article of clothing which is impossible (or at least very difficult) for anyone else to imitate.

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For Ron:

An equation which isn't difficult to solve, but takes a lot of steps and a lot of concentration to solve in your head. In fact, while you're concentrating on it, you won't be able to think about anything else; this will stymie any attempts to read your mind, and possibly even confound attempts to confuse it, at least until you finish solving the equation.

A formula for calculating the position of a specific book in some library, archive, or other collection of books, regardless of how disorganized said collection might be. This works even if you don't know the name of the book you're looking for, only a description.

After rolling a die three times, this formula will allow you to determine if that die is fair, and if not, how likely it is to roll each side. (This also works for flipping a coin.)

An equation which can only be solved by people, not by (non-sentient) computers, or (miraculous or mundane) facsimiles of people who might look sentient on a surface level, but really aren't.

An equation which looks extremely hard to solve, so if people watch you solve it they'll be impressed, but which is actually quite easy once you're actually working on it.

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do those sound like appropriate power-level miracles for an Awakening MP shop?

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:51 PM

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they do

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its more or less tool bonuses for specific things or one use simple miracles

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i gave the angel 3 starter awakening shop items
a Blast miracle called int_overflow

a +1 tool bonus to fight stuff called inventory_optimize or something
and a +2 tool bonus for escaping sudden danger called deja_vu

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:52 PM

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nice.

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:54 PM

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other character's arcs
ralsei's got the primordial indomitable (element is darkness, principle is hopes/dreams, curse is Hollowness/soullessness)
Susie has become somebody + gatecrasher (becoming a true hero, failing is cruelty, hidden world is the dark worlds)
and Kris has allegory and impresario! (Allegory is roaring knight, failing is determination, their demesne is the bunker world, and their minions are characters theyve recruited!)

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 9:56 PM

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Oh that's interesting. Immortal/Immortal, Frantic/Frantic, and then Immortal/Sickly. It makes sense, though.

frank light Oct 7, 2024, 9:57 PM

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yeah

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its a very weird split

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we have a sickly/sickly, immortal/immortal, frantic/frantic

and the only character who seems to have two sides to that dichotomy is kris

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which...feels fitting

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susie is the only one with frantic arcs too lmao

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because unlike everyone else
shes like...a normal kid?
or well, not normal but

she isnt in this huge cosmic grand fate shit

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she's showing up

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 10:00 PM

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Yeah, that's a very Frantic thing to do. Just... showing up, not connected to any larger story or fate.

obsidian dagger Oct 7, 2024, 11:26 PM

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...I have had a joe with Ada which I keep wanting to make but nobody's asked the perfect question for me to make the joke organically so I just want to say ||being a teenager and an anticausal weapon simultaneously is very complex||.

vivid wraith Oct 8, 2024, 7:24 PM

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Hazael, Angel of Time, Disorder, and Insanity, is scared of flying

frank light Oct 8, 2024, 9:50 PM

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what a goober

vivid wraith Oct 9, 2024, 6:31 AM

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undone flame Oct 9, 2024, 6:32 AM

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man

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that original tweet always makes me really sad

vivid wraith Oct 9, 2024, 6:33 AM

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understandable
should I spoiler it somehow?

undone flame Oct 9, 2024, 7:17 AM

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Nah no real point

vivid wraith Oct 9, 2024, 7:30 PM

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Writing custom Lilith lore :3


It is no small thing to quicken the subtrate of Creation, and no small thing to still once more. These half-formed Estates would have no master, they refused allegiance to the Imperators that emerged over the course of the Second Age, for they knew they were destined for a cosmos that had failed to form. It was not until the Third Age and the creation of the first Mimics that they reached resolution at last...```

narrow tartan Oct 9, 2024, 8:36 PM

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Huh

vivid wraith Oct 9, 2024, 8:40 PM

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Nobilis Garden of Eden lore is fun for me, there's some inclination that Lilith is somehow there but it never gets expanded on
so i'm doing the expanding myself!

narrow tartan Oct 9, 2024, 8:41 PM

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I remember jokes by Ryuugi about how Jenna Moran just puts a great idea on every single page and never follows up on them

vivid wraith Oct 9, 2024, 8:50 PM

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And it's peak

narrow tartan Oct 9, 2024, 9:46 PM

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Nods of course

vivid wraith Oct 9, 2024, 10:45 PM

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Through Eide, Lilith lays claim to her rights as the Queen of Eden. She wields the magic of naming, of dominion over the herbs and beasts of the Earth. Despite the protests of both the Rules and the Game, many Imperials accept this as sufficient proof that she is in fact exactly who she says she is.

Through Style, the power of the intruder and imposter, Lilith exercises her power as an Imperator of the Third Age. She may claim a Chancel and choose Nobles, she may govern her Estates as do the Angels and Serpents, and she may hold her head high through it all.

Beyond the privileges held by every Imperator, Lilith bears the divinity that humanity was promised when Eden was first planted: Immortality, limitless strength, passage to and from the countless worlds of the Ash. The path to these gifts was lost in the Fall, and indeed even Lilith did not escape unscathed: She bears the rupture of Creation within herself now, and should it be released, humankind would fall once more, into depths yet unknown. Thus the Queen of Eden is Wounded.

Even fallen, the spirits of humanity recognize Lilith as kindred. This is not an empty gesture, it is a metaphysically affinity that allows her to restore their lost nature, a potential that cannot be contained within a single body or soul. In the eyes of the Rules and the Game, this is her most hated weapon, her most wicked Theft, her most vile blasphemy.```

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:3

narrow tartan Oct 9, 2024, 11:11 PM

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Strategist grabs a Ruler and a Gamer then starts sewing them together to see what happens

vivid wraith Oct 9, 2024, 11:11 PM

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yeah

fleet harbor Oct 9, 2024, 11:17 PM

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Eide, Style, Wounded, Theft hmmmmmmmm

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This sounds familiar XD

vivid wraith Oct 9, 2024, 11:22 PM

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Clueless

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 12:40 AM

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YEAHHHH AHAHHAHAHA

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 12:42 AM

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I should figure out my Imperial Human OC who got their miraculous nature by killing two imperators ...

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Actually doesn't 2E discuss that imperators have only been killed by mortals a couple of times?

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:43 AM

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It's extremely rare at least

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yep three times total

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 12:47 AM

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One was like ... during the Trojan war?

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:47 AM

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....one of which was Jehannum, killed by Trojan warriors after yoinking them into the spirit world

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 12:47 AM

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Does it say anything about the other two?

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:48 AM

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which is how Helen of Troy became the Power of Weavers, apparently

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 12:48 AM

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fleet harbor Does it say anything about the other two?

Not that I recall

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oh this is interesting
2e calls out that Wildlords can't leave Creation, but other Imperators can

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 1:10 AM

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I like how it is kind of ambiguous

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 1:53 AM

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Arguably Lilith is kind of a false Imperator?

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 1:54 AM

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yeah she's either like
A literal Exrucian Mimic, or something extremely Mimic-like that's cheating in the same kind of ways

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I debated whether or not to give her the Mimic stats for a second but after I realized they actually mapped really well to the concept I decided to go for it

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If she is excrucian-forged, excrucian-bound, I'm not convinced she's happy about that

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 2:14 AM

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The, "Through Style, the power of the intruder and imposter, Lilith exercises her power as an Imperator of the Third Age. She may claim a Chancel and choose Nobles, she may govern her Estates as do the Angels and Serpents, and she may hold her head high through it all." bit. I like the idea that she has something like a selection of psuedo estates?

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 2:18 AM

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kiiiinda
In the Glitch/Golden Hours/4e format, a bunch of different stats can play the "here's how Imperators do estate miracles" role

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Style/Gatecrasher felt like a good pick for how Mimics do that, because it has a lot of player input in how exactly that miracle ladder works

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so they'd might be pseudoestates because she's a mimic(?) but it's similar to how other imperators handle their own estates

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 2:20 AM

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Poorly?

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 2:21 AM

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yeah ;_;

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 2:22 AM

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Nods. Are mimic estates psuedo-estates?

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 2:23 AM

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I tend not to think of them as such, but... maybe?

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3e doesn't call them pseudo-estates for Mimics, but it does for Warmains and Deceivers

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I think Mimics are too creational, so they're "real" estates for them

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 2:26 AM

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Nods. I just like the idea that Lilith is less real than the mimics.

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Just that quote I posted got me thinking about it

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HEr estates I mean

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What would Rulers and Gamers use for Imperial Miracles. And to a lesser extent Serpents. I know sealed can do it but not all versions of Sealed are fitting. Gardener might work for Rulers?

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 2:33 AM

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uhhhhh @frank light @magic mason any ideas

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 2:33 AM

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they probably can do imperial miracles?

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i don't see why they couldn't

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oh

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yeah it would probabyl be the "quest miracles" of their stat

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and probably some specific big effects

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Theft for example has a really high level effect that lets you just...do a Wish effect based on a weystone you have

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lords of game presumably have access to the Green Quest miracles, so doing giant motions of their estate isnt hard

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same with serpents

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serpents have vastness which probably has its own shit

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lords of rule have access to holy and red quest miracles

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 2:38 AM

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Its all those big flashy "quest miracle" types yeah

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 2:39 AM

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its also possible that, much like in 3e, imperators have access to unique Imperial Miracles

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 3:27 AM

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Game has been derailed by discussion of eels

vivid wraith Oct 10, 2024, 3:28 AM

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incredible

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2e: There is an immortal unstoppable hurricane spirit blessed by Cneph, Seven Teeth of Righteousness

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 4:17 AM

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I love the implication of Flore 12 Wish that like ... you cause your anchor to have an entire awesome subplot

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You give them a destiny

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 3:13 PM

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Lol yeah

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Flore is honestly a great stat

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And it’s perfect for strategists

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Even ignoring the funny creational love thing

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 3:14 PM

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Is Superman a Zu?

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 3:15 PM

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Strategists are always said to have the ability to weave the void into creation

Flore is their stat for that

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It’s not a stat for manipulation or corruption,
It’s a stat for making the things of the world empowered, stronger, and better

It’s a stat that’s void touched for strategists specifically

But it’s also the love of the void

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 3:16 PM

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narrow tartan Is Superman a Zu?

Eh maybe?

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 3:17 PM

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frank light It’s not a stat for manipulation or corruption, It’s a stat for making the thing...

Because it very clearly in glitch isn’t just a power of creation.

For strategists they weave void inspirations or void influences into the world. It is still an alien and terrifying power because it is something from outside the world uplifting it.

But it’s also corrupting for strategists because it compromises their hate.

And also it’s the perfect stat for making and wielding DOPE AS HELL ARTIFACTS HOLY SHI-

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COOL FLAMING SWORD

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:20 PM

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narrow tartan Is Superman a Zu?

Philosophically, not really.

Mechanically you would have to stretch it and draw on very specific Supermans but yes

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I could see Holy and Persona on Superman

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 3:21 PM

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I could see adept

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Minor amounts of it but

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Super hearing is a divination

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He can fly

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He shoots lasers

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:22 PM

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Yeah I think Adept and Aspect work great for him

frank light Oct 10, 2024, 3:22 PM

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Yeah

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 3:22 PM

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I saw superman written up aw a Strategist. Dying of Ninuanite

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Oraybe radiation?

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:23 PM

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Its mainly just that you have to draw on like…

Persona wielding The Mythos Of Krypton

And holy where he changes the lives of the people he saves

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:25 PM

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Supes doesn't really work as a Strategist I think
he's not really on the suffering grindset that much

restive ridge Oct 10, 2024, 3:25 PM

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Imo Superman has Gardener, Aspect, Deepness and Style

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:26 PM

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Any elaboration?

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I think Zuperman works

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:27 PM

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Adept, Aspect, Holy, Persona?

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I think that fits

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 3:27 PM

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Lol

restive ridge Oct 10, 2024, 3:27 PM

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I think you use Gardener to represent how he shapes and changes the world around it, Deepness for what he represent the hope and goodness, Aspect because chosen Enemy, and Style for all the weird tricks he pulls out sometimes (and the angst for being able to write Hidden World of Humanity)
Tho yeah Zu also fits

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:28 PM

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candid compass Supes doesn't really work as a Strategist I think he's not really on the sufferi...

now Batman on the other hand, him I could totally buy as a Strategist

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:30 PM

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narrow tartan I saw superman written up aw a Strategist. Dying of Ninuanite

(Read this as a Zu pstate)
Kryptonian’s…

Are great heroes, or great villans.
Experience strange effects from the various minerals of their home world.
Are empowered by a yellow sun.
Are almost immune to non-magical damage.
Find the relics of their fallen world.

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At least this is how I imagine Zu pestates looking

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:32 PM

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Oh, actually

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What about Prophet?

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Instead of Persona

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That lets him embody things, right?

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:33 PM

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candid compass now Batman on the other hand, him I could totally buy as a Strategist

Batman is high Flore and Eide, with medium Lore
the batfamily are his florem, and he has Eide to do his whole shtick, Lore is his utility belt bullshit

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:33 PM

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fleet harbor That lets him embody things, right?

Prophet is a little weird
its main power is the ability to solve a problem in a way that your Ideal would

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:33 PM

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fleet harbor That lets him embody things, right?

Not really

It lets you “solve problems like your estate”
Its mostly a weird cleric stat

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:34 PM

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you sort call in "divine" intervention

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:34 PM

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Honestly that seems very fitting for Superman

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"Solve problems through his ideals" is like ... one of his things

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:34 PM

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I feel like his holy covers a lot of the stuff you would be bringing the prophet for

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:34 PM

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you can also reward people for acting in accordance with your Ideal, or curse people with doom if they go against your Ideal

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:35 PM

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And also, and this is arguably surface level

He grapples with identity enough that he needs an Orange

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:35 PM

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magic mason And also, and this is arguably surface level He grapples with identity enough t...

proposal
Superman has Allegory

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:35 PM

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Sure

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That works

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:35 PM

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specifically, Superman is his Role

restive ridge Oct 10, 2024, 3:36 PM

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Superman is a Wildlord clearly

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:36 PM

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... I mean actually you could make a decent case for Wanderer too

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:36 PM

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because Allegorical is in most cases a Role forced on you by another

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:37 PM

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Because Superman is always Going Cool And Weird Places and coming back with cool shit

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:37 PM

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In reply to the allegorical: sure yeah, that could almost definitely work
In reply to wanderer: Typically wanderer is estate based and tied to one cool place, while giving you a lot of ability to get around generally

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:37 PM

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Fortress of Solitude

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:38 PM

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Yeah maybe but what would his shadow be in that case

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:38 PM

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Allegory does seem more likely to me

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Just thinking out loud

candid compass Oct 10, 2024, 3:38 PM

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there is the potential for Serpent Superman in the intersection of those two 😛

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 3:38 PM

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Allegory, Adept, Aspect and Holy does seem like it would cover it

magic mason Oct 10, 2024, 3:38 PM

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I think it works better as a Bindings or Greater Bindings for me who is still running with Zuperman

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…. Thinking about allegory more

I feel like awakening is a bit weird with that

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 10:08 PM

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Started thinking about peter pan. Now imagining the scenario in which an Imperator makes some nobles then sort of abandons them.

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Without explaining muc

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Has a high ward chancel and doesnt explain how to get in

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 10:23 PM

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Pan’s a double estate power of youth and war

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 10:42 PM

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From pan's labyrinth?

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Oh peter pan

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Duh

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 10:42 PM

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Maybe joy and war

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But I feel like Peter Pan is for sure a god of war

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 11:14 PM

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Eide and Wyrd are the stats that can make a strategist seem more functional. And. Ability. But who can afford that

fleet harbor Oct 10, 2024, 11:17 PM

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IIRC in Jenna’s playtests one of her players was an Ability 7 strategist

narrow tartan Oct 10, 2024, 11:23 PM

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That probably weirds the other Excrucians out

vivid wraith Oct 11, 2024, 6:08 PM

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https://screentop.gg/@Stepnix/far-roofs

Screentop.gg

Far Roofs | Stepnix | Screentop.gg

Play Far Roofs by Stepnix on Screentop.

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heeeeeey i made a Far Roofs VTT

narrow tartan Oct 11, 2024, 8:47 PM

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The problem with my pfp is that she should probably be girly but i dont really know how to do girly

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About the only place I havent shared this

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Traced a mech and colored it in

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Was playing around with what fluffytheterrible's magisters of death might look like

vivid wraith Oct 11, 2024, 8:56 PM

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oooooooh

frank light Oct 12, 2024, 1:37 AM

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chuubos and deltarune has been

going good

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players doing awesome things with the format

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ralsei's power of friendship is many limbed and eyed

narrow tartan Oct 12, 2024, 1:41 AM

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narrow tartan Oct 12, 2024, 2:23 AM

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I once had an idea for a depressing game of nobilis. In which the player nobles are in charge of chancel creation. And.

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All the NPCs need murdered

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There would be a list of 100 basic characters who would be introduce over time and winnowed one by one

narrow tartan Oct 12, 2024, 2:32 PM

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My one idea for a Mimic character is the False Serpent of Tickets and Tourism. Who is known as a mimic and lives in permanent exile in a chancel located within one of the main passages between the Is and the Not.

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Its called Casaplata

vivid wraith Oct 13, 2024, 1:52 AM

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yo new old jennawords about the 1e->2e transition
https://www.rpg.net/columns/list-column.phtml?colname=wind

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this is neat

fleet harbor Oct 13, 2024, 1:59 AM

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Fun fact: if you have Treasure 3+ you can just anchor the ducks in the park

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They're free

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(You may have to take a wound for them)

patent tiger Oct 13, 2024, 2:06 AM

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(The ducks were integral to my plans and I am seething)

narrow tartan Oct 13, 2024, 3:00 AM

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Wuh?

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Does that have to do with the scene from the Nobilis game we are in?

fleet harbor Oct 13, 2024, 3:18 AM

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The ducks are Verity in this case

narrow tartan Oct 13, 2024, 3:43 AM

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Ah

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Why is Verity a duck?

narrow tartan Oct 13, 2024, 4:38 AM

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Hmm Love/Romance as a universal Estate but not adult activities

fleet harbor Oct 13, 2024, 4:49 AM

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narrow tartan Why is Verity a duck?

"You can just take the ducks at the park, they're free" is a meme

frank light Oct 13, 2024, 6:31 PM

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Aulitha Valencia 
Who’s bane is Chains

Ability 0
Eide 0
Flore 3
Lore 4(sphere - prison daemons)
Wyrd 4(destruction - point at something and speak what distinct property shall be erased)

Gifts - Glorious, Frost Breath

Aulitha is a holy thing you see. To harm her is a sin.
Aulitha is a monster you see, she must not be let free. 

So keep her sealed with chains of salt and stone, making sure they are not iron. Make sure to keep her fingers hidden when you speak with her.

She is a holy thing, and should be respected properly. But she is a monstrous thing, do not let her escape.

Do not let her die. She is a broken thing, and when she dies her soul will not be damned to hell or exalted to heaven, but it will walk out of the world and right back in to continue its path of destruction.

Feed her twice a day, speak with her once a day, bind her with chains and magic until she can no longer conceive of a world outside her sealed temple.

This is a holy task, and an arduous one.

Titovs keep Iolithae in the basement valencias keep aulitha in the basement

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strategist ocs living in my brain

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luthe would be I am that which fell into endings’ vale, beyond the mortal sounding; in me will all things find fruition—a sundering, bone-shaking beat. I am the moment upon which everything is changed.

narrow tartan Oct 13, 2024, 6:39 PM

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Huh. Destruction is restricted by ritual

frank light Oct 13, 2024, 6:40 PM

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yeah

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her destruction has some solid variety but its also got conditions

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she has to point at it
and say what it won't have anymore

narrow tartan Oct 13, 2024, 6:41 PM

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Huh. Fight someone who can't be described

frank light Oct 13, 2024, 6:41 PM

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thats a solid one

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she would probably have to be in infection state to destroy more abstract things or skip past the speaking thing

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i think the pointing thing is probably non-negotiable
but greater destructions or infection state widen either its range or its ability to destroy harder to describe things

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in this case they just...chained her hands and prevented her from using her fingers

narrow tartan Oct 13, 2024, 6:45 PM

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Nods. I like destructions which have that sort of defined way of using them. Makes it more dynamic to imagine.

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And. Like someone mortal could try to fight it, they would have a rough time but

narrow tartan Oct 13, 2024, 7:43 PM

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Some destructions i have thought of.
1: Slushes things that make the strategist feel (dying of numbness). Infection state expands from physical to emotional feeling
2: Reveal something wholesome to be actually sick and rotten (dying of being already dead)
3: Defensive/utility focused Destruction themed around video editing (dying of Censorship). King Crimson etc. Infection State might allow for things like changing the order of events? Or maybe manipulating things further away from the user
4: Acid Rain Glitch from Pokemon. Blast something with all types of weather (dying of climate change)
5: Its a Wonderful Lifing someone as a Greater Destruction. Lesser version is probably tricky to use. (Dying of mummification)
6: Unstitching someone like a doll (dying of anatomy/incompleteness/being poorly put together/lacking a belly button?) hmm precision stuff needs more thought
7: Killing stuff that touches the strategists blood (dying of purity/impurity)

narrow tartan Oct 13, 2024, 8:11 PM

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The Wonderful Life destruction could be pretty funny. For the lesser version I imagine that it makes the targets presence somewhere unexpected? And like that could have really weird effects. Like use it on a helicopter passenger and suddenly they were unaccounted for in the fuel calculation

frank light Oct 13, 2024, 11:38 PM

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Games goin good

narrow tartan Oct 14, 2024, 3:24 PM

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📎 sinister-hovering-orb-1.0.pdf

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https://www.tumblr.com/ruinousnostalgia/681650980506468352/sinister-hovering-orb-just-got-a-proper-release

Tumblr

Gallery

Sinister Hovering Orb just got a proper release, so it's time to update these extra playbooks! Tragically, they're still longer than the actual base game, but what are you gonna do?

SESSILE HEINOUS…

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Least useful Imperator

fleet harbor Oct 14, 2024, 3:50 PM

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Nobilis is the sort of game where you can just land a space shuttle orbiter on a university lawn

vivid wraith Oct 14, 2024, 3:58 PM

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yeah

frank light Oct 14, 2024, 4:19 PM

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Yeah you really did that huh

candid compass Oct 14, 2024, 4:20 PM

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Normal

fleet harbor Oct 14, 2024, 4:22 PM

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I wonder what percentage of nobles get picked because of “I know a guy”

restive ridge Oct 14, 2024, 4:23 PM

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100% of them really, when you think about it

fleet harbor Oct 14, 2024, 4:31 PM

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Like the Imperator says to a buddy, “I really need a new Power of Dust.”

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And the buddy says, “oh yeah I know somebody who could do that.”

candid compass Oct 14, 2024, 6:03 PM

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Today in Glitch, doing questionable experiments with the fabric of void and Creation in a lacuna

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And surprisingly enough, I was actually somewhat successful

vivid wraith Oct 14, 2024, 6:16 PM

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wooooooooo

candid compass Oct 14, 2024, 6:17 PM

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I have through careful work created a very small patch of Creation that is at least less Wrong

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This may still be considered blasphemous by one or more of the involved sides

vivid wraith Oct 14, 2024, 6:21 PM

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Excellent

fleet harbor Oct 14, 2024, 6:41 PM

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candid compass I have through careful work created a very small patch of Creation that is at le...

You created LessWrong

candid compass Oct 14, 2024, 6:42 PM

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it is creational, but with small inclusions of void carefully induced just right

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it's really finnicky and time consuming, and still not perfect either

fleet harbor Oct 14, 2024, 6:44 PM

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candid compass it's really finnicky and time consuming, and still not perfect either

This is still sounding like LessWrong :P

candid compass Oct 14, 2024, 6:44 PM

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at least I would hope I'm not gonna create a similarly dumb thought experiment as the basilisk 😛

frank light Oct 14, 2024, 6:51 PM

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there is a dragon!

vivid wraith Oct 14, 2024, 6:52 PM

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yaaaaaaaay

candid compass Oct 14, 2024, 6:59 PM

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unfortunately I then experienced genuine Hope, and the moment was ruined by having the Imperator of Hope look over my shoulder

frank light Oct 14, 2024, 7:03 PM

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"GO WHITE BOY GO"

narrow tartan Oct 14, 2024, 11:19 PM

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I had an idea. Then it slipped my mind.

undone flame Oct 15, 2024, 12:38 AM

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narrow tartan I had an idea. Then it slipped my mind.

Me suspiciously shaped like the mosaic reality: damn that's nuts

narrow tartan Oct 16, 2024, 1:33 AM

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SCP foundation (not everything on the wiki) as the minions of a Magister of Life? Hmm. Too many deaths.

restive ridge Oct 16, 2024, 4:39 AM

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The Foundation is Rules-coded but honestly my weird senses want to say they are part of a True God that maintains the prosaic or the Treasure of, not a Rule, but a Fallen for some reason

vivid wraith Oct 16, 2024, 4:42 AM

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👀

magic mason Oct 16, 2024, 6:24 AM

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Had an immensely normal moment in Chuubo’s just now

narrow tartan Oct 16, 2024, 1:43 PM

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If I ~~steal~~ use visuals from lancer for Magister's of Death why not also give them superior skills based on those frames?

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IE Superior Barbosa

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And. Their Indomitable Trait could be lancer stats based on tne company

narrow tartan Oct 16, 2024, 4:54 PM

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Pugilurgy

magic mason Oct 16, 2024, 5:05 PM

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narrow tartan If I ~~steal~~ use visuals from lancer for Magister's of Death why not also give...

Oh that’s fun

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Probably won’t be something I specify on my end but that is fun

magic mason Oct 16, 2024, 5:36 PM

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yBY2pgC8eUw

Average mystic arc

YouTube

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vivid wraith Oct 16, 2024, 10:44 PM

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chuubo's (glass-maker's dragon) is so funny y'all

frank light Oct 16, 2024, 11:01 PM

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Yeah

narrow tartan Oct 16, 2024, 11:10 PM

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4e Imperator with Immortal, Perfect Timing, and World-breaker's hand

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Looks like this

vivid wraith Oct 16, 2024, 11:18 PM

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amazing

narrow tartan Oct 16, 2024, 11:19 PM

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Strategist with perfect timing. Still can't get anything done

narrow tartan Oct 17, 2024, 2:26 PM

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Oh. The reason I claimed that superheros have allegorical is a meta textual observation.

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In story they dont necesarily. But out of story Batman has fought Dracula.

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And superman boxed muhammad ali

fleet harbor Oct 17, 2024, 2:44 PM

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vivid wraith chuubo's (glass-maker's dragon) is so funny y'all

"Every day I had to run up 14 flights of snow-covered fire-escape steps to bring lamp oil to my poor grandmother"

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"And because our poor town could not afford proper oil, I had to hunt and kill the seals myself and render the oil from their blubber"

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"But I didn't have a spear or a knife, so I had to beat them with a club"

candid compass Oct 17, 2024, 2:46 PM

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Natalia tells yet another funny childhood anecdote that turns out to be incredibly traumatizing

magic mason Oct 17, 2024, 3:28 PM

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TTT AGI are intensely yellow and I will stick by this

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Specific AGI can end up more Purple or Black or Blue but conceptually they are Creatures Fueled By Obsession

restive ridge Oct 17, 2024, 3:55 PM

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True and Real

vivid wraith Oct 19, 2024, 2:11 AM

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listening to Teto, mimic girlie of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucz-rYnnMc

YouTube

ManhattanSnow

Uso no Utahime -- A Fake DIVA(with English sub)～【重音テト】嘘の歌姫【初音ミク】

Try subtitle menu. This is a true story what has happened to Kasane Teto. I love this story and dicide to make a English subtitle.

*Special thanks to ghostrr. He corrected the mistakes I had made in the subs.
http://jp.youtube.com/user/ghostrr

singer:miku & teto

The original song is from "Aku no Musume" of Kagamine Rin.

----A GLOS...

▶ Play video

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 2:30 AM

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yo wha?

vivid wraith Oct 19, 2024, 2:32 AM

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Backstory is that she was an April Fool's joke who eventually became a real voice synth

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that's not just the in-fiction backstory that's literally what happened in real life

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but it's also what this particular song is about

obsidian dagger Oct 19, 2024, 2:38 AM

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you know those mysterious kanji which exist in unicode but not actually in the japanese language? I'm curious whether they're be considered closer to Mimics or Actuals.

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Probably Mimics? Actuals are the non-breaking-spaces and bell characters.

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according to wikipedia, nobody's entirely clear on where "彁" came from.

vivid wraith Oct 19, 2024, 2:41 AM

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Mimics imo

obsidian dagger Oct 19, 2024, 2:42 AM

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yeah, Actuals aren't so much not supposed to exist, as they aren't supposed to exist visibly. Hence why they would describe strange connective tissue.

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...like this kind of thing I suddenly realize.

YouTube

Zullie the Witch

Elden Ring - You're not supposed to see this

Jagged Peak is home to a bit of an enigma, with a mysterious crowd of NPCs inexplicably haunting the mountainside. Just what were they supposed to do and why are they here?

Song used: Subterranean Graveyard - King's Field IV OST

▶ Play video

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(NPCs which exist to set up periodic lightning strikes)

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 11:22 AM

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obsidian dagger yeah, Actuals aren't so much not supposed to exist, as they aren't supposed to e...

I would say the connective tissue which becomes an actual is supposed to exist, but an actual is a somewhat different entity

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 4:56 PM

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https://x.com/pixelcoffea/status/1847681858924138971

Karen (@pixelcoffea) on X

regained some drawing energy.
here's a new excrucian strategist.

Aulitha valencia, ancient sealed amnesiac horror with no real shape. She looks like what you think she does, unless she becomes glorious and holy, in which case add feathers to what you think she looks like.

candid compass Oct 19, 2024, 4:56 PM

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it's her

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that Valencia woman with long hair, and no other distinct characteristics

vivid wraith Oct 19, 2024, 4:59 PM

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WOOOOO

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 5:01 PM

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candid compass that Valencia woman with long hair, and no other distinct characteristics

ah yes the mysterious 8th child of the valencia family that has long hair and no other defining features

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normal for children to have

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she continues thinking shes their child because the alternative is more uncomfortable for her to think about

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every morning she practices the rites to keep the valencian horror sealed away
she can even teach you those rites!

...at infection 4+ those rites start affecting her but she tries not to think about that

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Pondering my hypothetical Imperial Human and how she might have killed a ruleslord and a gameslord

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As a mortal

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Wow

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 5:09 PM

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I suspect the two were both trying to manipulate her as part of their ideological spat

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Oddly fixated and willing to make themselves vulnerable to an unwise degree

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Because they were looking at each other and not at her

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~~she's a CRPG protagonist with alignment-based dialogue options~~

candid compass Oct 19, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Always a good base to start on

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 5:11 PM

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God and the Devil staring at each other and moving pieces around a chessboard and then one of the pieces gets up off the board and murders both of them

magic mason Oct 19, 2024, 5:55 PM

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frank light https://x.com/pixelcoffea/status/1847681858924138971

she is so good

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 5:55 PM

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Thank youuuuu

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<3333

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 5:59 PM

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Yes this is v. good :D

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 6:00 PM

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Lemme post her backstory

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It’s silly

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Inspired by the titovs

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 6:05 PM

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... see now I'm thinking

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Of a Titov who specifically becomes a strategist as part of what's happening to their family because of Iolithae Septimian

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Dying Of Iolithae Septimian

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 6:06 PM

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Lmao

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Her thing is that she basically uh…is the Iolithae of this just.

She escaped

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But still hasn’t regained her memories

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She is choosing not to think about any of the very clear signs that she might be the horror beneath the shrine

candid compass Oct 19, 2024, 6:06 PM

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fleet harbor Dying Of Iolithae Septimian

Every other Strategist just saying, "yeah tell me about it, hate that woman"

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 6:08 PM

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Our gm made us write a host contact and someone on the imperial side of things vouching for us cus this is a chancery

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And I made the power that ‘rescued’ me the one vouching.
Because he did totally realize afterwards “oh fuck that was an ancient strategist huh”

So he’s kinda putting his reputation on the line to vouch that no no let her chill for a sec

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 6:09 PM

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frank light

By the way have I complemented the continual improvement of your writing recently, because it keeps getting better

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 6:10 PM

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Oh my gosh thank you ;-;

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That means so much to me

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 6:10 PM

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You were always solid and you always had ideas, at least at the point I first saw it, but your craft just keeps on improving

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 6:11 PM

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Gosh.
My heart gk

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That means so much to me

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You’re making me emotional ;-;

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I’m really glad you enjoyed the writing of the backstory

restive ridge Oct 19, 2024, 6:13 PM

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frank light

Lmao, amazing Power

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 6:13 PM

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He’s pretty based.
“Hm wow your family seems fucked up yeah.”
It’s pretty trivial for a Power to help out someone in need

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It’s just…awkward when you realize that was a strategist

narrow tartan Oct 19, 2024, 6:22 PM

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I loke the idea of a world made out of an excrucians body. Looking at the sun is indaviable because it gives way to night and falling stars.

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Mimic Irinka?

narrow tartan Oct 19, 2024, 6:39 PM

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Also I like Valencia. I think you mentioned her to me?

frank light Oct 19, 2024, 6:45 PM

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yea she came up a bit ago

narrow tartan Oct 19, 2024, 6:48 PM

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I need to get an actual name for my PFP. She also has a shrine maiden ascetic. But not a toxic one

fleet harbor Oct 19, 2024, 6:49 PM

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The sky is a mimic estate

narrow tartan Oct 19, 2024, 6:52 PM

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Mhmm. Glassy medium

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Perhaps my php should be dying of holiness

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Instead of purity/impurity

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Pfp. Image thing

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 3:22 AM

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Making things more complicated than they need to be

obsidian dagger Oct 20, 2024, 3:29 AM

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my sudden thought of "dying of purity" is of a character being injured and bleeding water.

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 4:03 AM

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Oh that is cool image. Purity/Impurity was hard to succinctly sum up

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 5:58 AM

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Alright so Nobilis update
I am on the brink of death

fleet harbor Oct 20, 2024, 12:06 PM

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Meanwhile I am mad as hornets

restive ridge Oct 20, 2024, 1:39 PM

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So true

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 2:25 PM

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And I did a bunch of stuff that sort of didnt matter in order to take a wound that I had been wanting to take

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That wasnt strictly nexessary

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 2:53 PM

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Rode the swan, stabbed the Imperial Miracle

fleet harbor Oct 20, 2024, 3:18 PM

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Robin is going to be very appreciative when they learn about that

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 3:18 PM

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I think my favorite line was Professor Colker's OOC response to getting WBHanded. "It has World Breaker's Hand?"

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:34 PM

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I'm plotting to make the situation way worse

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 3:37 PM

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Nods. Were you the one who wanted to second skin the Swan?

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:37 PM

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I was

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:37 PM

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Nah, I think that was- yeah

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:37 PM

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I just forgot to factor that in

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Its why I OOC wanted to help Harmony

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So I had a Reason to Power Copy that goose

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:38 PM

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My angle here is that now that Hell can take notice at an entire city being made Good and will show up, I will be waiting to fuck their shit up

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 3:38 PM

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You got WBHanded

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:38 PM

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Yeah but I QuickDrew it so everything is fine

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:38 PM

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hollow spruce My angle here is that now that Hell can take notice at an entire city being made...

We'll iron out the details later

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While it's happening probably

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I do have a strategist helping out though, that's handy

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:39 PM

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A shard of one

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:40 PM

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She's still very useful!

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Shard or not, she has firepower and she's a little better suited at putting together a flower rite

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:41 PM

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hollow spruce My angle here is that now that Hell can take notice at an entire city being made...

I'm excited for the forces of hell to get tilted

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:41 PM

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Yeah! And nobody in the city likes them

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So it's a great opportunity to kill em

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:41 PM

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Hell is a morally valid target for sadism and cruelty, on all levels

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:42 PM

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Is it?

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:42 PM

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They deserve it, they openly seek it out, their actions are poison enough that stopping them is always justified

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It's, like, the best feature of hell

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It's kinda the selling point of hell

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:42 PM

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hollow spruce Shard or not, she has firepower and she's a little better suited at putting toge...

Wh- and you aren’t?

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:43 PM

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I can absolutely Do it

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:43 PM

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If strategists have an affinity for a rite it’s probably the welken one

vivid wraith Oct 20, 2024, 3:43 PM

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"look man Hell was there for me during a really hard time and you gotta respect that"

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:43 PM

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Strategists can do quests while we're stuck with projects

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:43 PM

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I guess in 3e it's an even playing field, she doesn't get planning miracles

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:43 PM

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So they can just stare at a lake wistfully for a few days and bam completed Flower Rite

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Meanwhile Deceivers have to get a string of victories or defeats to make it happen

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:44 PM

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hollow spruce I guess in 3e it's an even playing field, she doesn't get planning miracles

Yeah

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:44 PM

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vivid wraith "look man Hell was there for me during a really hard time and you gotta respect ...

That really is fallen

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:44 PM

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I had to bootstrap being able to do what's basically weaker Strategy

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:44 PM

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patent tiger So they can just stare at a lake wistfully for a few days and bam completed Flow...

I did so that lmao

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I did stare at a lake wistfully and then two days later do a flower rite

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Strategists are scary sometimes

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:45 PM

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They will hurt you, they will hurt you so badly

But you will never drink alone

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:45 PM

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frank light I did stare at a lake wistfully and then two days later do a flower rite

Exactly!

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:45 PM

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It was so easy

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:45 PM

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Ugh, I probably should learn Paimon's estates at some point

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:46 PM

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You guys are gonna love em

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:46 PM

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I'm sure

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:46 PM

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Likes, Comments, and Subscriptions

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:46 PM

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Live, Laugh, Love

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:46 PM

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Good mindset

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Follow those

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It’s somewhere in that ballpark

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:46 PM

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frank light Good mindset

Now turn it into a grindset

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:47 PM

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frank light It’s somewhere in that ballpark

Oh wow really lmao

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I'm just too good at shitposting

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:47 PM

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Question; does this Paimon have the silly Paimon political position

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:47 PM

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It's a curse

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:47 PM

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You’re on the right track but you’re at the beginning of the track

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Not there yet

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But keep following that joke

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:47 PM

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magic mason Question; does this Paimon have the silly Paimon political position

Are you asking if he and Lucifer fuck

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:47 PM

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Yes

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:48 PM

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If so.
The answer is yes but they do not have the same political position Lucifer just gets around a lot down there.

Anyway that’s the canon we’re running with

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:48 PM

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Parasocial Relationships, Death Threats, and Wirefraud

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:48 PM

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Oh I like those

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:48 PM

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Noble of Wirefraud does seem really fun

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:49 PM

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magic mason Noble of Wirefraud does seem really fun

Lesser Enchantment of "funds a confusingly large number of tabletop roleplaying games" to compel someone to spend money

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:49 PM

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Without ftx my current friend group would not exist

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:3

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Is a hilarious statement

hollow spruce Oct 20, 2024, 3:50 PM

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thanks, Dark Polycule

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 3:50 PM

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frank light Without ftx my current friend group would not exist

Yeah

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 3:50 PM

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Jokes excuses and apologies

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 3:51 PM

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Ooh, those are fun

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 4:24 PM

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FTX?

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 4:44 PM

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A cryptocurrency exchange that did a massive wirefraud and got caught

fleet harbor Oct 20, 2024, 4:45 PM

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They're Sam Bankman Fried's company, right?

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 4:46 PM

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Yeah

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 4:56 PM

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Relevant in this case because the game The Treacherous Turn, which got popular here a bit ago, was financed by FTX money for AI safety ideology purposes

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And then I wrangled some of the folks from a game of TTT into a game of Glitch

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And here we are

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 5:00 PM

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Oh cool. I heard about that game

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Hooray for wire fraud

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 5:14 PM

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Had a funny idea for how to stat out a Zu in 3e

25 character points
Only has Aspect and Persona
2 divine, 1 tough, 2 surface
13 points of bonds and afflictions
20 points of skills

fleet harbor Oct 20, 2024, 9:40 PM

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TFW your power starts using concepts from deceiver philosophy as analogies in conversation with a deceiver

vivid wraith Oct 20, 2024, 9:40 PM

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hehhehehehehhe

fleet harbor Oct 20, 2024, 9:42 PM

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While blackmailing said deceiver

obsidian dagger Oct 20, 2024, 9:51 PM

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patent tiger Lesser Enchantment of "funds a confusingly large number of tabletop roleplaying ...

I'm sorry but all I can think of is. Her.

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What do Touhou godessess have in general, actually? Obviously something Black and/or Green, depending on the extent to which they're a goddess of something physical versus something conceptual; probably also Creature of the Light. Maybe Prophet? Unless... do land gods and curse gods have different arc sets?

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I could see that being true. Curse gods get to possess people, accumulate misfortune, and inflict it upon people. They probably don't mind having Accursed, even, since curse gods tend to themselves be cursed, since they are a curse. It's tempting to say Wounded Angel, but they're not negotiating with curses, they're being one. The Deciever set in general seems maybe okay for them, but they're a bit too much "part of reality" for that to feel right to me. I guess it would be something else Silver, since they're not dying of a curse; they're living it.

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Who gets Frantic Silver? Does anybody?

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I typed Deciever instead of Strategist...

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Iolithae Septimian confused me by being locked up in a shrine, I guess.

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there's a joke in here about "gaslight Gatekeep girlboss" and Reimu Hakurei and I can't figure it out.

narrow tartan Oct 20, 2024, 10:24 PM

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I had the thought the other day. That maybe the Gatecrasher and Wounded Angel should be renamed Gaslight and Girlboss

vivid wraith Oct 20, 2024, 10:27 PM

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I think Gatekeeper is already the girlboss stat. but you're onto something

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 10:59 PM

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obsidian dagger Who gets Frantic Silver? Does anybody?

Strategists and Mimics

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get Frantic Silver

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 10:59 PM

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That's Eide, then?

magic mason Oct 20, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Yeah

candid compass Oct 20, 2024, 11:05 PM

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obsidian dagger I could see that being true. Curse gods get to possess people, accumulate misfo...

"cursed but actually totally fine with it" makes me think Monstrous/Indomitable immediately

fleet harbor Oct 20, 2024, 11:16 PM

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You know, examining bonds from a meta perspective, the dual functions of “restores MP” and “grants strike” encourage very different sorts of bonds

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It’s an interesting dichotomy

patent tiger Oct 20, 2024, 11:16 PM

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Yeah, very intentionally

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Same for Afflictions being defensive and sources of trouble

fleet harbor Oct 20, 2024, 11:20 PM

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Robin ended up taking mostly offense bonds and doesn’t have much to get MP back with -_-

frank light Oct 20, 2024, 11:44 PM

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patent tiger That's Eide, then?

"troubled" which is eide has a passive ability that the curse is a wound you always just...ahve
and if the wound heals you can choose to take it again

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keep in mind that "accursed" aka Wyrd has the same 3e thing where if you lose health levels you lose mp and if you lose mp you fall out of the world

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so- hilarious combo

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Wyrd + Eide double silver makes you so fucked up

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 12:26 AM

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"please stop healing me"

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Newly glitched revenant on an episode of House

obsidian dagger Oct 21, 2024, 1:18 AM

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I think the curse gods would have to be Renegade rather than Indomitable because... they're not dying of their curse, bt it's still definitely an inconvenience. The Yorigami sisters are perpetually poor, for instance, and the older sister is furthermore just perpetually unlucky.

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(The younger sister is perpetually poor because she spends money as quickly as she gets it on fancy clothing and other luxuries, but on the other hand, she's the goddess of "poverty caused by frivolous overspending" so you kind of have to cut her a little slack on that.)

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~~possibly because that's what she is and partially because I'm 90% sure curse goddesses still have Creature of the Light~~

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I want to give land gods various stats but am suddenly realizing... how do you explain Chimata, and her utilization of "the ability to give things up" to make abilities into tradable, sellable cards?

frank light Oct 21, 2024, 1:24 AM

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Sealed?

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or Theft

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(reality syndrom or creature of delirium?)

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...or gatecrasher's plot devices

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or Awakening's blessings but thats quite a small one comparatively

obsidian dagger Oct 21, 2024, 1:28 AM

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maybe. It definitely feels like imposing a system of some sort onto reality.. It's not Creature of Delirium; these skills are being sold, not stolen, since Chimata's ultimate goal is to strengthen the power of the markets via honest trade. Reality Syndrome works as a sort of a catch-all for Weird Stuff, though, and also works well enough for pulling people into her experience which I think regrettably is capitalism.

frank light Oct 21, 2024, 1:29 AM

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It works well for stuff that has specific rules

obsidian dagger Oct 21, 2024, 1:30 AM

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Chimata's ability is to allow others to relinquish ownership of an item. Without this ritual, a given object remains connected to the original owner, such is the case when someone loses, throws away, or gives away something. Only in a barter where both participants are willing to engage in an exchange of equitable value does a proper transfer of rights take place.

As her power is directly tied to the existence of physical marketplaces, it has been steadily diminishing due to the emergence of things like online trade in the Outside World, which prompted Chimata to find a way to establish her own marketplace in Gensokyo.

In Unconnected Marketeers, Megumu Iizunamaru abuses this ability to successfully transfer the special abilities of the residents of Gensokyo into Ability Cards, granting the wielder the powers of those depicted in the cards. [5] While this did help Chimata recover her strength, it also served to concentrate power and wealth into the hands of the tengu.
Per the touhou wiki, which isn't always 100% correct but is generally good.

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She's not running around using a bunch of powers which she bought from other people, I don't think? Or, if she is, they're integrated organically into her own attacks.

vivid wraith Oct 21, 2024, 1:33 AM

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Sounded like Theft for a bit, but now I'm thinking Sealed/RS yeah

obsidian dagger Oct 21, 2024, 1:34 AM

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yeah apparently, per the text file included with the game (as translated by the wiki), the abilities which are bought and sold are explicitly totally disconnected from the original owners and tied only to the new owner.

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Whereas weymarks, despite being physically disconnected to a person, are still connected to and part of that person because they were stolen, and so the bonds of proper ownership remain.

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 1:37 AM

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Although it seems like even if the weymark is returned its loss can be ruinous

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Fable of the Swan thoughts go

obsidian dagger Oct 21, 2024, 1:38 AM

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Sure, but it still has a proper owner it was taken from. Chimata grants the ability for that proper ownership to be relinquished.

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In that first market, they bought and sold cards with their own abilities sealed inside.
Beneath the lunar rainbow, the four of them exchanged cards back and forth.
Just as they'd planned, the replica abilities sealed in the cards completely detached
from their original owners, and became part of their new owners' abilities.
Both Iizunamaru and Momoyo were greatly excited by this result.

Many more markets were held after that, and the cards spread far and wide out from the mountain.
In order to use the cards' abilities, they had to be purchased according to the rules.
Stealing, discarding, picking up, or receiving them wouldn't work.

Those were the rules put in place so that Chimata, the market god, could obtain power.

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and even besides the loss, I mean that... if you extract someone's heart, and hold onto it, you can control them through their heart because it's still their heart.

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 3:48 AM

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I don't know if the Strategists I come up with are sufficiently broken

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Not necessarily too chipper. But too. Functional

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Noble declaring diplomatic immunity in regards to Entropy's laws because her Imperator is from another world.

frank light Oct 21, 2024, 3:58 AM

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hah

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 3:59 AM

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"Have you ever been to the other world"
"No. But he did tell me I could conquer mexico"

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 4:07 PM

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Chart of Monstrous

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... hm, I think we can do better

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Take 2 of Monstrous-havers

vivid wraith Oct 21, 2024, 4:13 PM

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oooooooh

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 5:34 PM

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This suggests that there should be a fourth splat with Monstrous that hits the. Lord of the Fae, Weird Solipsist, and Generally Just an Asshole vibes.

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But lacks final boss energy

magic mason Oct 21, 2024, 5:38 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSQbm8f_9ZQ
Good Excrucian song

YouTube

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Nunemaker's Parable · Everybody's Worried About Owen

Nunemaker's Swingset

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Composer: Owen Trawick

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fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:05 PM

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Is going to a mortal therapist a violation of the Rule of Man?

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 8:05 PM

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Only if it is a good therapist

gloomy oasis Oct 21, 2024, 8:05 PM

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Is there a Power of Therapy they can visit?

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Let's say you don't know them

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There's probably one somewhere

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Likewise you're not familiar with any Powers who were therapists before being ennobled

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Imperators are necessarily going to be terrible at this

vivid wraith Oct 21, 2024, 8:07 PM

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gloomy oasis Is there a Power of Therapy they can visit?

I feel like 2e had one but also i feel like i made that up

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Hmm. Fallen have some of the qualities that make for a good therapist

candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 8:08 PM

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ehhhh

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the issue is, the Fallen will never encourage you to improve

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 8:08 PM

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And a bunch of the qualities that would make them bad therapists

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:08 PM

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They love you but they have no standards whatsoever

candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 8:09 PM

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they say you are just fine the way you are
you are deserving of love, no matter how bad you are

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:09 PM

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"I murder bystanders when I get mad, doc"
"Oh that's fine"

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 8:10 PM

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See non judgemental!

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:10 PM

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Snakes just start singing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTo7BVqLmwU

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Composer, Lyricist: Julie Gold
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Guitar, Vocal, Producer: David Crosby
Gui...

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candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 8:11 PM

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Angels would probably be terrible therapists from the opposite direction

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:11 PM

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Yep

candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 8:11 PM

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pointing out every single one of your flaws
and then leaving you to work on it yourself

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:12 PM

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"I believe you can figure this out"

vivid wraith Oct 21, 2024, 8:12 PM

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amazing

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:13 PM

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Wildlords answer every therapy problem with "be more of a solipsist"

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True Gods just tell you to eat other people

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"Doc, I have problems with my family"
"EAT THEM"
"What, no, they're my family, I love them"
"SO EAT THEM"

narrow tartan Oct 21, 2024, 8:14 PM

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Maybe good therapist bad therapist? Like. You have a Fallen that you talk to and an angel eho you listen to

vivid wraith Oct 21, 2024, 8:14 PM

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fleet harbor "Doc, I have problems with my family" "EAT THEM" "What, no, they're my family, I...

What's not clicking, it just makes sense

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:15 PM

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The other problem is that Imperators are just uniformly terrible at being or understanding people

candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 8:15 PM

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Gamelords will encourage your bad tendencies

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Rules will try to help, but probably do it by putting you in a box away from anything that can harm you

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:16 PM

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candid compass Gamelords will encourage your bad tendencies

They always suggest more murder

candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 8:17 PM

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but murdering people deprives them of the opportunity to die from their own freedom and hubris

obsidian dagger Oct 21, 2024, 8:17 PM

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...sudden idea: someone being enNobled as a power of Pain, but they were a therapist in their mortal life. They were chosen not because of the pain they experienced directly, nor the pain they inflicted, but from the pain they heard and listened to. I don't know if this is interesting or good.

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 8:17 PM

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True, they suggest you kill people in really elaborate manipulative ways

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I mean if a therapist got ennobled I think they'd rapidly become very, very popular

candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 8:18 PM

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what's that big Noble communication thing called again?

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the Misenchronic Engine

candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 8:25 PM

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obsidian dagger ...sudden idea: someone being enNobled as a power of Pain, but they were a thera...

also that's a totally valid angle for a Noble

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also TTRPG characters especially needing therapy is pretty normal 😛

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I think almost everyone in the cast in our Glitch game could use some therapy

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 9:01 PM

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In Karen's game we have determined that New York is the chancel of the Wild Magister of Subways, Pigeons, and Sandwiches

frank light Oct 21, 2024, 10:11 PM

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Yeah

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She dances across worlds and in her footsteps fast food places and subway networks form

fleet harbor Oct 21, 2024, 10:31 PM

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(Making this up as I go) Ironically the chain Subway has nothing to do with her, it’s explicitly satirizing her and the concept of a sandwich deli

candid compass Oct 21, 2024, 10:33 PM

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Clearly a flower rite 😛

frank light Oct 21, 2024, 10:34 PM

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Lmao

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Original lore is she is actually related to the sandwich

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And the restaurant chain

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It sprung up in service to her

narrow tartan Oct 22, 2024, 2:15 AM

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Skull necromancer. Pocket lich.

narrow tartan Oct 22, 2024, 4:46 AM

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Hmm. Arcana. When you run out of ideas because you have it themed as strange technologies but don't want to go about it in a straightforward manner

obsidian dagger Oct 22, 2024, 4:52 AM

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Pain...
• ...is a lesson not easily forgotten.
• ...leaves its marks.
• ...is a warning and a harbinger of danger.
• ...tells people when something has gone wrong.
• ...is something which people want to avoid.```
Randomly decided to figure out a few properties and this was *difficult*.  These are possibly a bit redundant with each other?

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I'm also once again thinking about my old idea for Numinous Gods (possibly fae, and presumably legally distinct from Magisters of the Wild), with Primordial/Spiritual/Indomitable/something Red which I think I eventually decided was probably Creature of Fable. The idea is that Numinous Gods are very young cosmologically speaking, and arise from humanity; when a human first looked at a fire, and thought not "this is a fire", but "this is a fire, which is used to cook food" or "this is a fire, which warms the hearth" or "this is a fire, which devours forests" a Numinous God was born. And each of those three are three separate Numinous Gods.

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As an emanation of consensus reality, Deceivers probably hate them. ...wait these are really really just anti-Deceivers in terms of their Estates, huh.

narrow tartan Oct 22, 2024, 4:51 PM

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Huh.

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Those estate properties for pain arent bad

fleet harbor Oct 22, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Interesting

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Pain is one of those cases where you've got an estate that is both very abstract and very concrete

narrow tartan Oct 22, 2024, 5:16 PM

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It could use an estate property related to physical sensation of pain

fleet harbor Oct 22, 2024, 8:59 PM

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Took a trip for a class to NYC’s big research library, where we looked at some of the collection including old punk newspapers from 1980. Saw this, it has strong Nobilis vibes

obsidian dagger Oct 23, 2024, 6:17 AM

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Stupid idea I once had and randomly felt like sharing: Suzy Schwan becomes convinced that the mysterious masked wrestler who sometimes shows up to rescue them, and who seems to know who they are and recognize them and their family personally, is their brother's "partner" Aidan.

restive ridge Oct 23, 2024, 6:17 AM

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fleet harbor Took a trip for a class to NYC’s big research library, where we looked at some o...

This goes stupid hard btw

obsidian dagger Oct 23, 2024, 6:18 AM

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(also, due to very insistent virtual dice that Moran rolled, I've become attached to they/them Suzy Schwan as the Best Friend.)

fleet harbor Oct 23, 2024, 12:51 PM

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restive ridge This goes stupid hard btw

It could legit be Lucifer, couldn't it? It's awesome.

restive ridge Oct 23, 2024, 12:52 PM

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It is

fleet harbor Oct 23, 2024, 4:36 PM

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Power of Platypuses

vivid wraith Oct 23, 2024, 4:40 PM

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mimic estate

narrow tartan Oct 23, 2024, 4:41 PM

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Nah, just the supercategory that Platypuses belonged to got flower rited

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Like. Imagine if "felines" got eliminated as a category. But housecats, lions, tigers, etc still exist

fleet harbor Oct 23, 2024, 4:43 PM

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vivid wraith mimic estate

Other way around, "placental mammals" is a mimic estate :D

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We're all supposed to be monotremes

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Evidence: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/science/platypus-genome-echidna.html

The New York Times

By Cara Giaimo

A Question Hidden in the Platypus Genome: Are We the Weird Ones? (P...

Researchers have produced the most comprehensive platypus genome yet, as well as that of another monotreme, an echidna.

narrow tartan Oct 23, 2024, 4:48 PM

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Similar to their lack of noses Rulers and Gamers likewise lack

narrow tartan Oct 23, 2024, 6:00 PM

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I suddenly want Archons from MtG to be a character type in Nobilis. Just because. They are both mount and rider. And just. Chariot taking a bath or something

gloomy oasis Oct 23, 2024, 9:02 PM

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There's a reason why my alien species is marsupial. Placentals are weird.

narrow tartan Oct 23, 2024, 9:22 PM

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I dont want to subscribe to NYT. What makes us weird and monotremes normal?

gloomy oasis Oct 23, 2024, 11:52 PM

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I haven't read the article, but placental mammals actually use retroviral DNA to make the placentas. It causes the cells to fuse together into one mass that the mother's immune cells can't get through.

narrow tartan Oct 24, 2024, 12:23 AM

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Wha... We need Harmony in here to make things normal again

narrow tartan Oct 24, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Strategist character who hasn't quite realized that they dont want to go back to the war

frank light Oct 24, 2024, 5:10 PM

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Oh yeah I’ve done that before

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It’s great

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Mal has only just now really admitted to herself that she actually wants to protect this place

narrow tartan Oct 24, 2024, 5:12 PM

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Old witch strategist with high flore crashing for a time with random mortals

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Hmm. 7+1-1-3-5... Flore gift of making things immortal

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Cheap

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Hmm. 3 point version. Making immortal monstrosities out of anything...

restive ridge Oct 24, 2024, 5:58 PM

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Remembered this

narrow tartan Oct 24, 2024, 8:42 PM

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Confrontation with an entire rival familia Imperator included: spend 4 mp
Internal drama: Spend all the MP and take a deadly wound

vivid wraith Oct 24, 2024, 8:42 PM

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yaaaaaaay

narrow tartan Oct 24, 2024, 8:48 PM

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I have one MP left.

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Hmm. I wish Burn tokens were a thing in Glitch. Because the one time I ran it I used matchsticks for Fugue tokens. And playing cards for spotlights

fleet harbor Oct 24, 2024, 9:04 PM

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narrow tartan Hmm. I wish Burn tokens were a thing in Glitch. Because the one time I ran it I ...

I love that

fleet harbor Oct 24, 2024, 11:02 PM

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Sharing my bond lineup from Karen's game with 0 context

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Bond: I always sniff out the truth, no matter how little sense that makes! (5) (Anchor: Curiosity)
Bond: Laika and I will do anything to look out for one another! (5) (Anchor: Laika)
Bond: No, you can’t stop me from getting into that! (2) (Anchor: Challenger)
Bond: I’m always at the top of my class! (1) (Anchor: The Mathenge Family)
Bond: A guardian of magic stands before you! (2) (Anchor: Verity)
Bond: I am become evil, the destroyer of good! (2)

vivid wraith Oct 24, 2024, 11:03 PM

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WOOOOO

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 12:21 AM

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I think the plot of Edward Scissorhands would fit into Nobilis fairly well

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 1:08 AM

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actually reads Nobilis 3e section on Zu
My idea that the Zu mountains were a bit of Cneph's corpse actually meshes well with that

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 1:46 AM

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Hmm. Idea. Ananda is a Ruler who has been around since the Fall. And the Fourth Age was originally going to be the Third Age (of humans) before the Fall. It wasn't that notable until the Excrucians turned up.

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Also. The Wild Magister who is the current age. That is actually pretty funny. Just the solipsist looking at the Excrucian Host and going, "Oh now I get it" and suddenly becoming entangled with them

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 2:14 AM

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One thing I realized is that the Strategist i had with a video editing themed destruction would probably edit any footage of him while using it

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 2:49 AM

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Hmm. Nuclear Weapons as Imperial Miracles which really spooked the Rule.

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 3:23 AM

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Brightlord of Fallout, Spy Fiction, and Detterence

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 5:55 AM

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narrow tartan Hmm. Idea. Ananda is a Ruler who has been around since the Fall. And the Fourth ...

I feel like Ananda needs Wounded

My funniest view on him is traitor mimic

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As in “mimic who sides with creation”

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 5:56 AM

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and that's where chuubo's comes from

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 5:59 AM

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My current concept for Ananda in chuubos is some sort of outside sailing space pirate who travels through the ruins of the world, possibly ruining the headmasters schemes or just floating around.

He is lord of the age of dust, and so he’s got like a pirate king thing going on

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But he’s not like an evil pirate he’s just kinda like, famous pirate if that makes sense.
He’s idealistic pirate, rebel pirate.

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…this makes no sense I think with any story arcs but

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Mimic pirate ship and you can’t see the captain because his form makes your brain invert

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:00 AM

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yaaaaaaay

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:01 AM

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frank light Mimic pirate ship and you can’t see the captain because his form makes your brai...

...that makes me think Actual, although it arguably shouldn't. Also "inspiring rebel pirate" screams Allegory, which is applicable for neither mimics nor actuals.

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:01 AM

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I dont think Ananda comprehends that there is a war going on

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(My source is that it would be real funny)

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:02 AM

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hah, yeah.

Still, I’m charmed by the idea of space pirate ananda

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:02 AM

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For some unknown reason I'm envisioning Space Boyfriend/Captain Spaceboy as the visual you're describing here and I'm not sure why that's the case?

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 6:02 AM

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Ananda is very concerned about lots of stuff, but can't do very much

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:02 AM

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I have no idea what that is

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 6:02 AM

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frank light hah, yeah. Still, I’m charmed by the idea of space pirate ananda

It is a good concept

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:03 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/omori-space-boyfriend-get-real-get-real-gif-22004480

Tenor

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(couldn't find one without a caption and didn't want to bother looking properly)

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:03 AM

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Ananda space pirate is inspired tho

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:03 AM

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Fallen Ananda does feel fitting

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:03 AM

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Note that I don't know much about who Ananda is.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:04 AM

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Like the Cityback does feel like something a Fallen would make up

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:04 AM

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Fallen Angels do get Allegory, actually. And an inspiring space pirate is definitely an allegory for freedom.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:04 AM

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obsidian dagger Note that I don't know much about who Ananda is.

He’s on the “leaders of Earth” council with entropy

Imperator of Murder, The 4th age and The Infinite

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He seems like a nice guy but looking at him makes you splatter across the walls

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:05 AM

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obsidian dagger https://tenor.com/view/omori-space-boyfriend-get-real-get-real-gif-22004480

Ohhhhh I see

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:05 AM

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So don’t do that

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:05 AM

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Wait. Hang on. ...how much would Chuubo's!Ananda know about what happened to Lord Entropy I?

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:05 AM

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Good question

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If he’s being a space pirate

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Maybe nothing

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:06 AM

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I could see him knowing the full story, seeing as how he's the imperator of Murder, depending on whether or not Lord Entropy I was in fact murdered. I could also see him not knowing that he's dead.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:06 AM

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Maybe he finds out and is like “ay, he was a bastard, but I knew him well.” Pours one out and flips off the sky

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True! Though being the imperator of something need not make you omniscient on what your estate has

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Plus he has some implications that he couuuuld be a mimic? So it wouldn’t be like his powers give him that much knowledge

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I could see space pirate gatecrasher

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Ananda’s unholy world-scraping cruiser

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:07 AM

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obsidian dagger https://tenor.com/view/omori-space-boyfriend-get-real-get-real-gif-22004480

banana what is this from

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:07 AM

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Omori

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I think

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:08 AM

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I see

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 6:08 AM

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There is also a prophesy, that if Entropy and Ananda ever vote against each other in a council matter, disaster will strike

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:08 AM

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Omori yeah.

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:08 AM

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Gatecrashing the omori fandom now i guess idk

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:08 AM

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Ananda seemed more intimidated by entropy tbh

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 6:08 AM

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candid compass There is also a prophesy, that if Entropy and Ananda ever vote against each othe...

Ananda isn't willing to tempt fate, and Entropy is abusing it as much as he can

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:08 AM

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Anyway idea would be this sort of chuubos game would be about going on space pirate adventures with ananda and fucking around in the void and the ruined worlds covered in the outside

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:09 AM

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"Ananda shows up to check up on his good pal Lord Entropy I" would be very interesting for a Principal Entropy II quest actually.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:09 AM

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Yeah actually it would be

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Hell the evil world flies around

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Maybe the spaceship would just…like land on it

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:09 AM

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There are 4 of them

Entropy is the only one who actually sucks

Ananda only hurts people on accident

Surolam seems very…. Lawful neutral but tries to be kind

And we know nothing about the 4th fucker

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:10 AM

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“Oy entropy you fucking asshole how are-who are you?”

“Entropy the second”

“He had sex???”

“It’s debatable”

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:10 AM

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Besides his name which I forgot

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:11 AM

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A..malim something, sees the world as his playground

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:11 AM

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“anyway I need to see him about something.”
“Ah, can you travel to the afterlife then?”

“…wha-“

“I’m afraid he has perished”

“Ah. Shame. But also eh I don’t feel that bad. Sorry kid.”

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Type of guy to blast the headmaster with a laser before robbing the bleak academy!

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:11 AM

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...now, would this be more interesting with the more well-established Horizon version, or with the Fortitude version who's very much not well-estalished as Principal or as a divinity?

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:11 AM

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Being chased through the stars by flying strategists and warmains running on nothing itself

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Oh wait here’s a concept

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Space pirate ananda never takes off his space suit

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Because like, underneath is the infinite

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:12 AM

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obsidian dagger ...now, would this be more interesting with the more well-established Horizon ve...

Interesting…

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Which one did gmd use?

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:13 AM

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GMD used the Fortitude version. The Horizon version is for the Horizon campaign which doesn't exist yet (but Entropy's stuff has been written up)

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:14 AM

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and that's different again from the Halloween King?

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:14 AM

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Mhm mhm

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:14 AM

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restive ridge A..malim something, sees the world as his playground

#1161861116721385482 message all we have on him

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:14 AM

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The king of Halloween is the drunken wreck one

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Hmmm

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I like to imagine his pirate crew is full of ‘misfits’

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Aka a handful of bleak academy flunkies or dropouts, some freaks, Natalia somehow, chuubo somehow, and rinley somehow

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Like we’re I to run or play this that’s what I’ve got in my head

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:16 AM

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Chuubo wished to become a pirate. Rinley is also there.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:17 AM

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He thought it sounded cool

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:17 AM

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He was right

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:18 AM

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Suzy, therefore, would also be there. They just sort of naturally become a cabin... uh, child... because they are in perpetuity a natural minion and that's just a very sensible place for them to end up.

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btw here's the link to the final (so far) post of the Horizon campaign (which includes links to everything prior) and this is where Principal Entropy's stuff in particular starts.

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But Horizon Principal Entropy ends up on Impresario 2/Awakening 1/Creature of the Light 0+ meaning much less inherent divinity to start with and no extant Code Novae.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:22 AM

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Oh we on Real Rules Magister hours in Horizon huh

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:23 AM

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I mean, he always was, he just previously had.... the other two Rules Magister arcs.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:23 AM

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Yeah its just, those two rules magister arcs are kinda ambiguous due to being direct overlap with Angels

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:24 AM

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Yeah, true.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:24 AM

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Its like if an mf only had allegory and reality syndrome

Could be hard to tell if they are a Serpent or a Fallen Angel

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:26 AM

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What if some of the really good bits didn’t actually come up at first? What if [Principal Entropy II] grew up just as a tool, just as an heir, if the only good things he actually had were positive relationships with his evil island creatures and his joy in the principle of education, what if it was all … really … a mess of a thing …

… and then one day it became clear to him that he was a divinity, that he was a Magister of the Light, that some of this was actually a thing of his own definition? That his power to impose new laws on the evil world wasn’t just a representation of inheritance but also a representation of a legitimate change in what that world meant?
I feel like this character would have a much more interesting relationship with one of his dad's co-workers.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:28 AM

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its very interesting...

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yeah

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i do like that quite a lot!!

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:28 AM

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magic mason Its like if an mf only had allegory and reality syndrome Could be hard to tell...

that's what manaechus was on

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:29 AM

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OF course, he's also trying to distance himself from his father, both in terms of his actions and also in how he conceptualizes himself, so Ananda would be weird there, also...

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Also of note: due to Awakening, this version of Entropy is always on his evil island orbiting the sun, really. His True Self just chills there forever. It's just his body that hangs out and does stuff in Horizon.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:31 AM

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…. Thinking about other funny overlaps now

Indomitable/Allegory could be either Wild or Warmain

Indomitable/Creature Of Fable could be either Game or Warmain

True Gods and Deep Things have Child Of The Ash and Awakening

Actuals and Rules Magisters have Awakening and Impresario

Already mentioned Holy/Gardener being rules and angels and Allegory/Sealed being serpents and snakes

Did I miss any big ones?

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Oh Zu and Powers with Ace/Star Quality

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I guess… deep imperators specifically and Angels with Gatekeeper/Chosen One

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:33 AM

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Imperators/Serpents both have Called Away and Child of the Ash

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:33 AM

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Oh true!

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True gods and serpents share their greens

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:36 AM

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Angels and Zu both have Creature of the Light and Chosen One, it looks like.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:36 AM

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Yes!

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:37 AM

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obsidian dagger Also of note: due to Awakening, this version of Entropy is always on his evil is...

that makes sense

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:37 AM

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I always forget Zu stuff since they aren’t written out in glitch

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:37 AM

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obsidian dagger OF course, he's also trying to distance himself from his father, both in terms o...

tbf ananda fuckin...probably did not like og entropy

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so hes someone who can like
show off how different e2 is

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as like a being

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hes someone who sees e2 and can see where his father begins

and where entropy 2 as his own being starts

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:38 AM

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Wait. Ananda is imperator of the Fourth Age, right? That means he'd probably be at least somewhat aware of, and have opinions on, the imperator of the Third Age, aka Lady Attaris, aka Principal Entropy II's mother.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:39 AM

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possssibly?

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its not necessary that imperators of an age to meet or have opinions on other imperators of an age

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but its probable theyve met before

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:39 AM

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I feel like there is some neat thematic things you could play with using Deep Beings as characters in Chuubo’s

Like explicitly being someone else’s shadow has a lot of really cool narrative angst to it

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:39 AM

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(attaris is tbf only ambiguously his mother? its a flexpoint)

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ananda is like "i fuckin hardly knew her she kept inverting herself"

"...what?"

"Like, y'know how to invert a sphere? like that. All the time. I- shes hard to talk to, your mother."

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:40 AM

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I do not know much about Deep Beings, but uhhh Rinley might have a friend living in their shadow?

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:40 AM

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"Always invertin....always with the third age and the infinite pain and all that...always busy too."

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oh thats fun!

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deep beings are specifically the...shadows in the drowning deeps that imperators and excrucians have

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imperators have a true self down there, or an original self?

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where their laws squirm and affect the world above

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its weird

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lowest level of the world

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0th world

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:41 AM

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frank light (attaris is tbf only ambiguously his mother? its a flexpoint)

Is it? I mean, you're allowed to play as Lady Attaris II...

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:41 AM

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and excrucians are tehre

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:41 AM

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obsidian dagger Is it? I mean, you're allowed to play as Lady Attaris II...

it is something of a flexpoint still

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:41 AM

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Ohhhhh it's not a separate entity it's a true self.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:41 AM

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its a true self, for IMPERATORS

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FOR EXCRUCIANS THE MATTER IS WEIRDER

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its a part of them but also in a weird way?

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imperators can only focus on one body at a time

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if either dies well...game over

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theyre more powerful down there but its still a place they have to pay attention to

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:42 AM

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Ah. It's their Called Away shadow self then maybe? Except that excrucians don't get Called Away, but Imperators do. So then I don't know anything.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:42 AM

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excrucians, having shadows above and below...seem to act at on both ends at the same time and ignore death.
because the excrucian shadows are sort've them but a second them?

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honestly! i could see it

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ah heres the thing

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i could see excrucian shadow stats being different from imperator shadow stats

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imperators could have a called away to the drowning deeps or smthin

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but excrucians!!
could have an awakening

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fun fact, awakening for excrucian shadows ties them to their surface selves

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:43 AM

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Imperators also have Awakening too, though.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:43 AM

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as in, their "second self" or "true self" is the thing that walks above

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they do

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but like, only some of htem do

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:44 AM

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True.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:44 AM

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and only some imperators have called away

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:44 AM

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Deep Selfs are a "Second Character Sheet" situation anyways

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:44 AM

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there wouldnt be one arc for exploring your own drowning deep shadow i guess

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but playing as a drowning deep shadow, of an imperator or of an excrucian, has a lot of fun possibilities

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:44 AM

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They arent really a stat thing, they are a setting element in the same way a Flower Rite or Estates or the World Tree is

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:45 AM

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The main thing that jumps to mind for Excrucians is using it as a fucked up sibling dynamic

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:45 AM

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shadows of an excrucian are...silly. You are a thing of geometries and burning acid and fluttering dusted wings and you are vast and powerful and also
not the thing that walks above?
Youre the them that walks below?

if the thing above is a you that dreams itself to be shaped like a person
the thing below is the thing that dreams itself to be infinite knives

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:45 AM

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Making the fact they are a literal shadow more of a metaphorical shadow thing

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:45 AM

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true!

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having a whole "me and my shadow" thing is funny

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esp since excrucian shadows in glitch have child of the ash, gatekeeper, awakening, and ace

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so you could have a fun thing with another excrucian character

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being their regular smaller sibling but having a shadow kaiju mode

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:46 AM

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Oh right, the Called Away shadow isn't you! It's someone you know.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:46 AM

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OH

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SHIT YOURE RIGHT

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THAT WOULD BE COOL AS HELL

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YOU HAVE A CALLED AWAY ARC WHERE YOU TRAVEL TO THE DROWNING DEEPS AND MEET YOUR OWN SHAD-YEAH!!!!
YEAH!!!!

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mhm mhm this is good stuff

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im gonna go to sleep i have exams

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:47 AM

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There is a Shadow that falls over your Realm. There is something twisting it, corrupting it, risking it becoming a twisted deconstruction of what it ought to be.

It takes the form of a person—

[...]

And it probably seems like something abhorrent—faceless, cackling evil for the sake of, well, evil[1]— or some other trope like a ruthless invasion or curse.

But there’s something more going on.

You don’t necessarily know this at first, you see, but your Shadow is also a person in your life—someone close to you. A mirror to you—your own shadow. Like, they’re the other half of your soul. Your twin. Or, you were created a long time ago as a magical doppelganger of theirs. Or, they’re the sempai you try to model yourself after. Or your parent, your child, or some other relation. At the very least, they’re someone thematically parallel to you—

If you knew their whole life story you would feel they were kin.

Like I said, you don’t necessarily know that at first. And even if you do know that, you don’t necessarily know that it’s them. Like, maybe you’re playing Soun Shounen, the Idol and you do know that Soun Shoujo’s your twin sister—

But who’d guess the Star Queen twisting your Realm could be her?

Eventually, though, as you come to understand things, it’ll make more sense. You’ll realize that you’re not dealing with faceless, cackling evil, but rather something more nuanced:
a relatable person, or
a hollow being, a necessary alternate mask or puppet for the Estate, that’s either:
    soulless or
    has taken over somebody you know.
And things’ll make more sense when you do.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:47 AM

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frank light esp since excrucian shadows in glitch have child of the ash, gatekeeper, awakeni...

Deep imperators work the same but replace Ace with Chosen One

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:47 AM

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they do do this

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in any case
i think chuubos is a perfect place to explore absolutely silly arcs

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:48 AM

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~~This suggests a hypothetical 3rd form of deep being with reality syndrome~~

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:48 AM

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thats not how dichotomies work

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:48 AM

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yes, they're called Actuals. ...wait, Actuals don't get Reality Syndrome.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:48 AM

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theyyy do not

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:48 AM

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Actuals also are not Deep Beings. They're just the Deep.

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:48 AM

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"I cant believe my older sister keeps messing up my Portal Fantasy Land!"

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:49 AM

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obsidian dagger Actuals also are not Deep Beings. They're just the Deep.

this is true BUT

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they are components of the deep

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somewhat plural down there

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:49 AM

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frank light thats not how dichotomies work

greater enchantment it is now

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:49 AM

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at least, theyre organized into things of the deep

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:49 AM

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the word you're looking for is "trichotomy" probably.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:49 AM

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the deep imperators and excrucians down there organize them into troops and armies and landscapes and materials

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:49 AM

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it's a good word! I mostly use it to talk about the Immortal/Frantic/Sickly trichotomy in general, ironically enough.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:49 AM

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plus both beings have gatekeeper, able to utilize the things of the deep and bind them

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true enough

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so i assume that actuals are somewhat included in the spheres of deep imperators or excrucians

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among...other things of the deep

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:51 AM

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Probably, but I also get the impression they're not supposed to be. Like, you end up accidentally binding one instead of what you were trying to do.

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:51 AM

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magic mason ~~This suggests a hypothetical 3rd form of deep being with reality syndrome~~

Thinking about them

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Brain wants to say reverse-Warmains

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:51 AM

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hey what was that about actuals

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:51 AM

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obsidian dagger Probably, but I also get the impression they're not *supposed to* be. Like, you...

possibly?

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but like, what else is down there

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its deep stuff down there

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actuals, deepscrucians, and deep imperators

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all strange ephemeral phenomena

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so like
the things of their spheres probably sometimes are just actuals, or chunks of them.

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:52 AM

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obsidian dagger Probably, but I also get the impression they're not *supposed to* be. Like, you...

Well Deep Things are dealing with sleeping Actuals
They aren’t doing actual stuff, they are happily in their slime

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Sleeging

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:52 AM

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Yeah. Actuals are very much strange ephemeral phenomena and I want to find the article on them.

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Because I don't think they exist when they aren't doing Actual Stuff, because Doing Actual Stuff and being an Actual are synonymous.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:53 AM

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right

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on the surface of the world their actualness leads to all kinds of fucked up effects

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like going off of this

magic mason Oct 25, 2024, 6:54 AM

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Well I guess to rephrase
“The things in the deep manipulate and use as tools of war the things that when they reach the surface we call Actuals”

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:54 AM

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actuals are just...the material of the deeps so to speak

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so it would be kinda inevitable for deep beings down there to use them when wielding the locals

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which considering they have vastness and lore, will likely happen

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 6:54 AM

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yeah. This. https://jennamoran.tumblr.com/post/158557089843/a-bit-about-actuals There's too much to just copy-paste here, but... yeah, Actuals.

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"Chuubo's Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine"

A Bit About Actuals

Link to the Chuubo’s Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine RPG, on DriveThru
Hi!
Today I thought I’d talk a little bit about Actuals. I have a very good reason for this but we’ll get to that another time...

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:54 AM

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either by motions of estates or pstates

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or by binding arcanum from a sphere

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:55 AM

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vivid wraith hey what was that about actuals

I love this bit

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:55 AM

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theyre what is down there besides imperators and excrucians

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:55 AM

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I love "Trying to use an Actual as a bug battery" as a potential scheme for a dumbass Imperaror

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:56 AM

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What could go wrong

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 6:56 AM

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Nothing ✨

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:56 AM

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first we just need to summon some Actuals and

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:56 AM

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this is for the shadows in the deep

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the things that are down there that are not actuals

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 6:57 AM

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"locally sourced powers" thank you jenna

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 6:57 AM

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only locally sources powers!

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love the deeps

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some wild shit is going on there

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imperators are phenomena
and excrucians are horrific monsters

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it is a squirming place

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GOD i forgot how much i LOVED this text

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:01 AM

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The actuals are just... motions. What we see as an actual is the entity implied by that motion, since there needs to be something that moves... but they are in essence simply the movement itself.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:02 AM

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Right

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But that’s like

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Everything else down there

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The imperators and excrucians down there are also motions and events

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And very explicitly the actuals are wielded or organized

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By the forces down there

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:03 AM

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The imperators and excrucians are monsters and phenomena but they're still nouns. The actuals are verbs.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:03 AM

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They’re more like letters but I see what you’re saying

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:03 AM

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it's a bad metaphor on my part ("oy" is one character off "it")

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:04 AM

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But they’re nouns that are…very explicitly wielding and organizing the deeps around them

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frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:04 AM

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obsidian dagger it's a bad metaphor on my part ("oy" is one character off "it")

Yeah that’s fair

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 7:04 AM

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frank light

Terrain, camp followers, weapons, etc

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:04 AM

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Actuals are funky

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 7:05 AM

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very

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:05 AM

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they're made out of grammar.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:05 AM

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Yeah

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I like to imagine them as words that aren’t defined yet

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Or letters

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They don’t…have meaning on their own

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But they can have meaning when put together and organized

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:06 AM

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Yeah, they're syntax devoid of semantics.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:06 AM

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Yeah

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Unspoken

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:06 AM

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so they are meanings, but, simultaneously, don't have meanings.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:06 AM

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A law being is…I guess what happens when you have meaning crawl out

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Suddenly it’s a sentence

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 7:06 AM

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The early versions of froofs had you drawing Actuals from the bag instead of scrabble tiles but that didn't playtest well

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:06 AM

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This implies it’s the same species which isn’t really true

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But I guess the metaphor applies

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If actuals are syntaxless grammar, lone verbs, or just letters devoid of context

Then an imperator is a sentence

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And excrucians are…I guess the Delete key? They’re alien to this metaphor which is fitting I suppose

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They’re absence

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:08 AM

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...they're Immortal, Frantic, and Sickly.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:08 AM

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True indeed

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:08 AM

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or Frantic, Immortal, and Sickly in the order you presented them, I suppose.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:08 AM

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Actual have nothing but frantic and sickly arcs.
With a frantic one being their core

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Deepscrucians could be conceptualized as sickly, and it would only make sense that imperators would be immortal but…well this is all conjecture

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But it does fit

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Quite neatly

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:09 AM

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Also, hypothetically, many of the arcs held by entities which do stuff in the Drowning Deeps should have, or center upon, chthonic actions. Let's see if that's true.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:10 AM

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Probably?

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Though, chthonic actions mechanically are just things that interact with the game mechanics

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:10 AM

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...the thing describing chthonic actions lists core ones as belonging to Primordial, Child of the Ash, A Keeper of Gardens, and Sentimental.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:10 AM

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Storywise they prisbjtl have a variety of miracles

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:11 AM

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frank light Though, chthonic actions mechanically are just things that interact with the gam...

Yes, but that's what the Drowning Deeps are made out of.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:11 AM

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I believe immortality itself is a cthonix action in golden hours

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Yeah but also like

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Gameplay wise

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You…probably have more abilities than that

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Like from a mechanical and gameplay perspective and even a story perspective it isn’t necessary to limit yourself to maxxing out your cthonic actions when that’s only a way to specify a type of miracle that affects game mechanics

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:12 AM

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You do! But (I am tired and just saying stuff out of nowhere because it sounds profound at this point) the lightless, shadowless, undifferentiated Drowning Deeps? Whenever you read the rulebook and see an example of a power, the Drowning Deeps are where that thing is happening.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:12 AM

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They have imperial miracles and miraculous actions and mundane actions

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Yeah

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Though also just…the like miraculous actions they take are also a part of the deeps

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All expressions of miraculous power

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Especially since some miraculous power is outside the world and some of its within it

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They do have a ton of cthonic actions to be fair

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But…they’ve got a lot of actions

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:14 AM

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Different kinds of miraculous power act on different parts of the world or different layers of the world, and chthonic ones are the ones that brush that bottom layer.

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:14 AM

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Vastness has a solid amount of imperial miracles in its belt.
Adept too

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Sssorta yeah. I’m aware of the dichotomies with powers

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Cthonic actions touch upon that deep layer

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If miracles are paint, rites are twisting the canvas itself etc etc

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:15 AM

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https://jennamoran.tumblr.com/post/160101297933/chthonic-actions-2-of-2 this + the previous one (linked in it) seem maybe relevant).

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"Chuubo's Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine"

Chthonic Actions (2 of 2)

Link to the Chuubo’s Marvelous Wish-Granting Engine RPG, on DriveThru
Hi!
So I talked a bit about Actuals, and then a bit about chthonic actions. And now, today, here’s some rules!
Reserved Actions ...

frank light Oct 25, 2024, 7:15 AM

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But mechanically and gameplay wise y’know…blast weapon.
They’ve got blast weapons

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:23 AM

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...what characters would you really want to have in a near-Outside Chuubo's campaign starring Ananda's Space Pirates? Ananda, obviously, and I'd be thrilled to see anyone stat him up (or I would, but I don't understand him well enough). Principal Entropy II, probably with the Horizon stats. Chuubo would want to be there, and plausibly wish to be there, and besides the game's named after him... and where Chuubo goes Suzy (typically) follows, and also they would want to be involved probably anyway.

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The Incomparible Leonardo de Montreal! seems fitting (or, I supposed Dulcinea de Montreal given as we're looking towards Horizon versions of characters?), especially if it turns out that Ananda is in fact a Mimic. I feel like Jasper would like to be there, but I'm not sure she'd be appropriate for that adventurous of play, and I also don't know why I feel like she'd be appropriate? Rinley is very much a wild card, and... I would say that they don't quite belong here, so far from the shrine they call home, but their Horizon version is Called Away to the Near Outside, actually.

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I also feel like there ought to be at least one definite Excrucian involved, and I don't know exactly why I feel that way. I have no clue who, though; Miramie Mesmer is pretty solidly tied to Fortitude, the Empty Child is another Strategist (not an extremely fleshed-out one, as of yet) who I think doesn't like to leave School... Jasmine Apocyanum? Maybe? I need to read Fable of the Swan.

vivid wraith Oct 25, 2024, 7:28 AM

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Space pirate arc would be in-character for Jasmine imo

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 7:29 AM

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...Even when he's not a Keeper of Gardens, Principal Entropy fundamentally doesn't seem like the kind of character to go adventuring. He'd go on an adventure, sure, but always with the clear intention of coming back. You could have his home be mobile, but only if he owned it, I think. Even if he's haphazardly chasing after the guy who took several of his students and also knows his father, it just... doesn't feel right for him, you know?

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Here's the real question: would Ananda be playable (with the reduced power level that implies)?

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Natalia could be there, but it doesn't really make sense for her to be there, in my opinion. That's just... I don't know what she'd do there, narratively. She's sort of a conversation with finding a home, and that doesn't work the same way with itinerant adventurers. ...Prince Edward Fujimoto (of the rats) might be there?

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I am getting tired, and thinking I'm having Big Bright Ideas when I am in fact not, so I should probably sleep... but if anyone's interested in this in the morning ping me and I might get absorbed into it (I desperately need something new to get absorbed into).

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He’s just really excited to be Principal!

He’s this guy—Entropy, I mean—this guy who doesn’t have a nose; whose hands are stained but not actually, like, bleeding all the time … and sometimes he’s aware that he’s also sitting on the throne in a palace of black glass on an island of evil that circles around the sun.

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(last bit of Entropyposting before I sleep.)

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 1:31 PM

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Reading sparked huge conversation. But cant read it all right now.

I think Deep Excrucians having Awakening and Deep Imperators having Called Away would be cool.

One plot idea I had related to deep excrucians is several strategists in the chancery with similar banes looking into their Deep Excrucian selves wondering if there is a connection. Or. Hmm. Evil clone arc.

And. I feel like. Ideally for Space Pirate Ananda game you would have a different set of Main Characters. Maybe homebrew themed ones. And that vampire who I think maybe was a Main Character in a draft who shows up once.

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 2:05 PM

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Hmm. That idea would be a bit project.

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 6:21 PM

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Brain racing through ideas. Thinking about balance change to Glitch. Probably unnecessary and I have not really played the game so...
-Each rank in a miraculous attribute gives one free gift point for spending on associated gifts.
-Each level of ability strengthens a permanent Bond. Increasing its strength in miraculous conflict by 1

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 6:40 PM

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That would be interesting

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 6:48 PM

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if I were to change one thing, I'd give characters a small extra budget just for bonds and geasa

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because they are fun, but cut into your budget to get

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 6:49 PM

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I actually do not remember most of Glitch character creation, do you not get a bunch of bonds without spending CP?

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 6:52 PM

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no

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you get 25 points to spend, and that's what you got
now, Bonds and Geasa are very cheap at 1 point each

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miraculous stats are also comparatively cheaper in Glitch, since they only cost 2 per point

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and Ability costs 3 😛

candid compass Oct 25, 2024, 6:54 PM

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candid compass you get 25 points to spend, and that's what you got now, Bonds and Geasa are ver...

which also means you can pick them up from a quest relatively easily

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 7:19 PM

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The Ability bit I remembered

narrow tartan Oct 25, 2024, 7:31 PM

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Basically I was like, "i wish it was at all reasonable for a high wyrd strategist to buy WBH", "I wish I had more CP", and "Maybe give Ability something nice. Oh this works"

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:21 PM

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If Ananda isn't a Mimic, what stat spread should he have?

fleet harbor Oct 25, 2024, 8:23 PM

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My personal headcanon is that Entropy and Ananda are both fragments of Cneph

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And that makes them weird

restive ridge Oct 25, 2024, 8:24 PM

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obsidian dagger If Ananda isn't a Mimic, what stat spread *should* he have?

Reality Syndrome, Prophet, Domain and Creature of Light

obsidian dagger Oct 25, 2024, 8:24 PM

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Domain being Spiritual?

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