Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)

[narrow tartan]

My best Warmain idea. Wields the Test of Clarity which is sort of a multifaceted thing. Things that are actually see through. Explanations that are easy to understand. People with strong ideas about who they are and the world in which they want to live.

Amd thematically. There is something that they need to understand or communicate, possibly a religious text. And they are looking for something which can perfectly communicate that understanding.

She is probably either has Gnome or maybe a Djinn/Genie themed powers. The idea varies based on how anxious I am about messing it up.

[candid compass]

that's a good Test
though it should probably be like, the Test of Confusion or something
if the thing they are looking for is someone who can maintain clarity no matter the situation

the Test is the way they go looking for it, not the thing they are looking for

[narrow tartan]

Thats what makes Warmains confusing to me. Calling it the Test of Confusion definitely clears some stuff up for me. And firms up the gnome interpretation.

[candid compass]

using some of the official Warmains as examples
Raginhart wields the Test of Agony, because he needs to find someone so resistant to pain they can go get his special cup for him (it's behind a wall of infinite pain)

Euphrasia wields the Test of Blight, because her home realm in Ninuan is ravaged by some terrible disease, and she needs to find something pure enough it could help resist or cure that

but the reason Warmains test is because they are looking for something, or they feel they are missing something

[frank light]

yeah

i believe those examples came from some like
patreon draft stuff

unfortunately i do not have access, its mainly hearsay from others who do

but yeah the warmains testing for stuff seems to have a lot of interesting wrinkles i like

[fleet harbor]

Willy Wonka

Test of Sweets

[obsidian dagger]

Just to make 100% certain, because I'm fairly sure this is how Actuals work mechanically (in no small part due to simply reading Become Somebody, which is unique to them) but I want to confirm: much like how Nobles have an Estate (which they then use to apply or remove its properties from themself and others), and Deceivers have a pState which they do the same thing, Actuals similarly can apply or remove properties, but theirs belong to a pSelf, right?

Like, they have the same list of defining properties, but instead of defining some part of the world (or their own unique version of it), it's just defining... them.

[fleet harbor]

We also don't have fully fleshed out rules for Actuals

Just kind of inferences from Chuubo's and maybe froofs

[frank light]

we know what stats they have but we dont know the specific miracles

we know what they map to in chuubos but even those arent definitive

[obsidian dagger]

...in theory, the Awakening/Deepness thing where you exit reality could arguably be a result of simply sacrificing those properties from... whatever vessel you were most recently in. Because one of the examples of that in Chuubo's has it so that rather than completely demanifesting you have some sort of form left behind, explicitly including "an entity which looks and acts like you, but is not, on a metaphysical level, you". So if, in some sense, your body exists because you're applying your properties to it, simply relinquishing those properties would let you functionally demanifest.

...how exactly do Chancels work? I'm vaguely aware of the concept but don't fully understand them, but Gatecrasher might provide an equivalent (since Become Somebody lets them do the parallel property assignment/removal from others, and they already have Architect/Impressario for their Treasures).

[frank light]

chancels are a specific thing that imperators do
its an imperial rite i believe, rather than any particular ability

you commit a vast crime, usually killing 100 people but there are other choices

and you create a powerful safe pocket dimension ripped from the world that allows you to make nobles if you have estates of your own

[obsidian dagger]

if you want to make things very weird and potentially oversimplified, you could make it so that one of the properties of every pSelf is ...is <actualname>. So applying that to others possesses them, and relinquishing it from your body demanifests you.

[frank light]

i think Actuals, if they do interact with properties, would do so with Visage, since thats the same arc type as Persona

[obsidian dagger]

Yeah, Visage is Become Somebody.

[frank light]

Deepness is probably to do with their "true self" or whatever and while it may bear relation to those properties may not as explicitly use them as Visage would

[obsidian dagger]

Deepness is for doing it to yourself, as an explanation for No Longer Being There.

[frank light]

so i imagine theyll be using on the whole a lot more mechanics than Just their properties

[obsidian dagger]

Sure, but at least on a notional level that'd probably be how it works out sometimes?

[frank light]

i assumed the explanation for deepness is that theyre from the drowning deeps, so they can dissolve themselves into a much deeper layer of reality

[obsidian dagger]

Since, moreso than anyone else, Actuals are made out of rules.

[obsidian dagger]

Fair, but it's also sort of the reverse of that, as how they can un-dissolve themselves into a physical form.

[frank light]

right

[vivid wraith]

I have Hero of Fate as a Far Roofs match for the Actual stat spread

[frank light]

i just feel like linking them only to their nature of properties does some disservice to the rest of their powerset. just like how while nobles have a huge amount of interaction with the properties of their Estate, their Domain primarily interacts with the material and substance of their estates (even in metaphor)

their deepness relates to how they are Phenomena and not actually a thing of this world, but something bigger. Some truer self that isnt here.

[obsidian dagger]

That's fair. I just think that they are made out of properties in a way that everything else isn't, even if the way their powers work in practice doesn't just boil down to that. On some conceptual level, they exist because there is a rule stating that they exist, and they are that rule. (As opposed to other concepts, which exist because they're an agreed-upon part of prosaic reality and are part of the domain of a Noble, more or less.)

Given the way Visage/Become Somebody works in Chuubo's, I'm willing to bet that, regardless of whatever else they do, they still have a pSelf, and they exist because of that pSelf.

How does Deepness do the whole "power shop" thing?

[frank light]

unclear!
but based on what ive seen of froofs maybe giving people small Gifts or access to your miracles

also
things exist outside of agreed upon prosaic reality
prosaic reality is just a thing for earth

most parts of reality are part of a self justifying immortal pillar of the world, just usually thats an imperator

[obsidian dagger]

Ah. And Actuals are self justifying frantic pillars holding themselves aloft, tied to nothing, I suppose.

[frank light]

theyre generally asleep in the deeps

so theyre more like...the canvas of reality itself

[vivid wraith]

wildlord like "hi i exist now and it's your problem"

[frank light]

theyre a deeply important component of it

but theyre not supposed to be on the upper layers

things have to go wrong for them to fill that vacuum

[obsidian dagger]

Right. I think I understood that but did not know how to explain it.

[frank light]

theyre a part of the deepest stuff, the unspoken words and nothingness inside of nothingness

this is their general status in their natural habitat

[obsidian dagger]

As Moran herself stated, they're made of Auctorita and Chthonic effects, which is also more or less what the world is made up of (and, arguably, what Nobilis is made up of. And/or what the specific game of Nobilis being played is made up of.)

[obsidian dagger]

RIght. I sort of thought for some reason that Actuals wanted to exist, insofar as that made sense for them. That... is not at all the case.

[frank light]

they do not no

everybody has a bad time including them overall

[obsidian dagger]

It says that some long for life and spirit, but at the same time, they generally don't actually want to be part of reality.

or part of surface reality.

[frank light]

if there was a way for them to find life that would be good
but they generally...cant

the most merciful thing to do then, if the first solution isnt available, is back to their dreaming home in the deepest parts of reality

[obsidian dagger]

I suspect that this might fall into the whole "never accept your limits" thing. Or, alternatively, assuming that in anything resembling an Actual campaign you'd be playing as one of the very, very, very few Actuals who both long for existence and have enough self-control to avoid seeking it out merely by growing and spreading, sort of... asking what it means to be a person. Even if you can't ever be real — if by your very nature you will always be hollow and incomplete and false — is it possible to get close enough to reality that it doesn't matter?

[frank light]

course seizhi exists and thats a big exception to the general rule so

yeah

or at least youd play as actuals/actual hosts who have the means to

because they can have hosts

or minds capable of resisting urges

and plus exceptions always existed, as i said seizhi is a thing so like...i dont wanna say its impossible.

but its weird

[obsidian dagger]

Town has an... unusual relationship with reality, in many ways. And Seizhi is kind of the archetypical "being dredged up into reality by a wish made of hubris by attempting to flat-out create a person" but is, in fact, A Person.

Who can infect reality still! But usually doesn't.

There are certain things that are simply true about you. They resist the power of miracles, wishes, and the Outside.

Write down a two-point bullet list, starting with:

I am [your Role, e.g. “the Guardian of Time”]
I am [your Truth, e.g. “honest.”]

These are protected by an Auctoritas with rating equal to the Arc Trait. If you buy additional Truths (as noted above, you can spend a Recharge Token to do so), they are added to the list.
(the Chthonic power which is probably most of what's holding an Actual together, from Become Somebody/Visage, although of course Visage isn't intrinsically more important than any of their other arcs/talents/whatever.)

But... I... suddenly understand why this is totally unique to Actuals, because it's easy to read it as "just" Frantic Orange with all the implications that has about being a self-evident role, but it also does a lot of relevant stuff.

(For reference,

1. https://jennamoran.tumblr.com/post/165719561903/become-somebody-redux-1-of-2
2. https://jennamoran.tumblr.com/post/165743591238/become-somebody-redux-2-of-2)

also, wow, now that I look at it, they have exactly 1 action that isn't Chthonic (or an Auctoritas, or an expansion upon a Chthonic ability).

It certainly isn't how they do everything, but it's how they do Actual Things™️ and carve a foothold into reality.

Oh, right, Chuubot! I was going to talk about Chuubot.

So, I do a thing I'm tempted to call "depth-first design", where I try to plan out something, but instead of making a balanced framework and then adding on features, I go "wouldn't this be neat?" and go 15 layers deep into the weeds to work on some strange obscure buried idea for a neat addition.

Chuubot was supposed to be a Discord bot for running Chuubo's, which could track XP actions and the timings thereof, and possibly also notice specific emote reactions to use for Reaction XP, and maybe even keep track of how much XP characters have.

And then it could maybe store a character sheet which you could view with a command, or edit in simple ways with a command; you know, character sheet tracking stuff. Nothing too absurd.

But then I thought "wouldn't it be funny if, when you asked the bot for its own character sheet, it had something to give?" And thus, Chuubot-the-character was born.

With a Truth of "I am important" and a Role of "Main Character", probably. Which has a fun little side effect, actually!

See, Become Someone lets Chuubot apply that truth to somebody, or remove it. So, you could make someone seem dramatically more important, as though some metaphysical spotlight were being shone upon them, and make them gather the attention of everyone in the scene... or, alternatively, remove their importance, making them fade into the background. Coincidentally, taking an XP action causes you to gain a brief metaphorical spotlight and draw the attention of the scene, and then you fade into the background.

[narrow tartan]

I like to imagine just to preserve sanity that other worlds sort of have prosaic reality but it isn't kept separate from mythic reality in the same way. Just everything is aware on some level and everyone knows that. But you don't necessarily argue politics with your car

[vivid wraith]

choosing to believe the Cars universe is somewhere on the World Ash

[narrow tartan]

It also suffers a strong separation between the mythic and prosaic. Sometimes cars become aware of the humans running around using hands

And. I have seen a writeup of deepness in a document called Deceivers in Depth. The level 6 miracles imposed a variation of your estate properties in a region

Hmm. What color is plot of The Incredible Voyage?

[frank light]

it absolutely is

fucking dionyl is a universe of CLOTHING

well not universe planet

but still

[vivid wraith]

i need a Cars Warmain OC

[vivid wraith]

exactly

[frank light]

im not even joking this is a warmain

somehow

this movie is stupid

i need to talk about my favorite scene

where a goon gets fucking murdered by a car driving into him

hes in the front of a star by the desk

[vivid wraith]

incredible

[frank light]

his head is crushed
there are tiremarks

the window is smashes in from the outside

by what one could assume is a vehicle, y'know, the car

the police see his body

they say
AND I FUCKING QUOTE VERBATIM

"Looks like another suicide"

[vivid wraith]

????????????

[wheat cobalt]

it's so good

[patent tiger]

That's how you know it's good cinema

[narrow tartan]

Mhmm. Anyone else read Fable of the Swan. It was good. Need to reread the final third. And. It made Deceivers a lot more clear to me. Just the Pstate isn't necessarily the direct cause of enligjtenment.

Jasmine becomes a Deceiver when a dodgeball hits her on the head. But she was already struggling before that point.

[frank light]

read fable of the swan

yeah

deceivers have a lot of complicated stuff going on

[fleet harbor]

I love Fable of the Swan and I love what it does, thematically, with Theft

[narrow tartan]

Also. I never really thought about their being non powerful Excrucians.

[magic mason]

Imagine someone greater focusing on you as a strategist and making you look ridiculous, but like not on purpose

Like they thought you were gonna look like that and it it’s just stupid

[magic mason]

If you think about it, even the arcana in a strategists deck are in a sense “Excrucians”

As in they have been correlated with the end goal of destroying creation

[narrow tartan]

Specific warmains i have come up with. Which i would never want to rp as.

Warmom, who wields the test of adolescence

Gandalf, a mostly harmless bearded wizard fellow. Tends to write himself into stories as a self insert character while he spends centuries hunting the original authors before tempering then

A pair of warmains who are dating eachother. Considered terrifying because they have complementary tests

[fleet harbor]

Their test is to let you date the other one

If you are a good SO you pass

[narrow tartan]

Oh dear.

Never thought of it like that

[fleet harbor]

Hence the tempering

They’re trying to find things in Creation that are worthy — specifically, worthy of their partner

[narrow tartan]

Oh dear. It has become something i couldn't write.

One is an older women with cat ears. The other a twentyish femboy. With fake cat ears. Together they wield the Tests of Dominance and Becoming.

And now they have absorbed the Warmom thing

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Dogboy instead of catboy.

[vivid wraith]

gyrtorm have u read chibi-ex

[narrow tartan]

Anyway. A more serious thing I came up with was an abhorrent weapon. Cyborg named Relentless

Yeah. Its good. Forever ruined my ability to take deceivers seriously.

[vivid wraith]

excellent

[vivid wraith]

This sounds cool. is the Weapon just the robot parts? is there a consistent person attached to it?

[narrow tartan]

Its modern incarnation, when used as a weapon, takes the form of a halberd carved from driftwood. A broken piece of its previous form as a ship. If it decides to be a Mystery it usually eats someone for raw materials

[narrow tartan]

I have figured out a good arcset for Abhorrent Weapons (though it isn't as applicable if they are approached primarily as Mysteries). Allegorical, Vastness, Hunter, and Wyrd.

[vivid wraith]

oooooooh

[obsidian dagger]

have I talked about my Abhorrent Weapon idea (who could either be a Warmain, or simply use Warmain arcs due to conceptual similarities), Azazel, who is Abomination?

(...or... maybe one of the other Mysteries of the Far Roofs, since Mysteries and Abhorrent Weapons aren't a 100% overlap I don't think?)

[vivid wraith]

nah there's a few that are excrucians and such

[obsidian dagger]

yeah idk if they'de be a Warmain, or just like one.

They have, as an Affliction, "If I speak to you, you can tell what I'm saying." They often use this to stand on a rooftop far enough away that you can just make out who they are, and whisper to you.

And typically claim responsibility for whatever bad things have happened to you lately (regardless of whether or not they were actually involved, which they almost certainly weren't). Their weapons are paired dueling sabres, one of which is perfectly sized and weighted for you, and which they will give to you if you approach them.

And, if you duel them, you'll discover they're about as good as you are. You won't be able to land any really serious hits on them, but they also won't be able to land any serious hits on you. You'll roughly be stalemated, but even as you start to tire, so will they, and you'll be able to see them starting to get sloppy, so it's clear that soon you'll be able to beat them.

This continues until you collapse from hunger, thirst, or fatigue.

The way you pass the test is by saying "no, all of these situations are my fault, actually." You need to castigate yourself so thoroughly that there can be no doubt as to the blamelessness of all other parties, and no excuses or explanations or mitigating factors. Every last aspect of the problem is directly because of you.

The way you win is by walking away, because fighting Azazel is, on a fundamental level, a waste of time and effort. It doesn't feel like a waste! It feels like you're tracking down and fighting whoever's at fault. But fighting Azazel will not solve your problem.

It's not necessarily morally wrong to fight Azazel; it's wrong simply in the sense of it being a terrible idea.

What would that be? The Test of Castigation? Blame?

[restive ridge]

The Test of Guilt

[obsidian dagger]

That's a good one.

The basic idea is that Azazel is the urge to do hard, dramatic work rather than simply admit you made mistakes and that it's a complicated situation. They're big dramatic gifts, and desperate attempts to rekindle friendships or relationships that need to recover naturally (or need to end), and fad diets, and... honestly, probably midlife crises. They're the urge to seek a red or orange solution to a purple or silver problem.

(or a gold solution, actually.)

[narrow tartan]

Allegorical probably represents a weapons connection to the world. Method of Transportation to have wielders through which to act.
Vastness includes the ability to assume a non-weapon form. And the mood/enviromental stuff is based on their name.
Hunter is Hunter.
Wyrd is the destructive nature of the weapons. I feel like storywise their Wyrd is focused a bit more on being a destructive curse than a source of suffering. Mechanically there isnt any difference. Except i think that Abhorrent Weapons don't necessarily physically flee the world. Instead they disassociate/go to sleep.

[obsidian dagger]

Per Chuubo's, Abhorrent weapons can die, but it doesn't necessarily stick.

[magic mason]

I am curious why you went hunter actually

What makes abhorrent weapons, outside of the mystery contect, Creatures Of Fable

[narrow tartan]

Honestly I've never had a super strong grasp on Creature of Fable. Assigned it because it seems a good fit power wise. Cut the Soul in particular seems very fitting.

[candid compass]

Hunter is about... it restricts what other people are allowed to do

it lets you control the narrative

Cut the Soul gives you the power to say "No, that doesn't happen"

Revelation lets you say "No that's wrong, this is what actually happens"

[narrow tartan]

Ah that makes more sense. I think it at least fits okay with Abhorrent Weapons tjen.

[vivid wraith]

"stay on script"

[obsidian dagger]

Creatire of Fable is Frantic Red. Frantic means doing your own thing independently of reality, and not caring what others are doing; Red is about narratives and the metaphorical spotlight. Hence, a Creature of Fable is someone who does what they do, and gets to declare their participation in awesome events "offscreen", and also gets to cut away the powers of others because that's not what their story says. I wonder if it makes sense to interpret that ability as being, in some vague indirect sense, defensive.

[narrow tartan]

I like the idea that a "pacifist" character having a geas that kills people for them. Like the thing where the hero offers mercy but the villain immediately gets themselves killed trying to stab the hero

[fleet harbor]

Affliction: Those I spare will surely die (5)

[magic mason]

random thing but Theft and Holy do make for a good dichotomy in a way

Creature Of Delirum vs Creature Of Light for folks who don't know glitch names

[fleet harbor]

They do

I’d be interested in a miraculous being who that combo felt like an organic fit for

[magic mason]

Maybe like a dedicated False Idol or other dispenser of tainted wisdom

That’s a bit close to deceivers though

[fleet harbor]

I think maybe a being who principally shapes others

Like their role is to make people something differ…

… ent

I thought I had an idea but it escapes me

[narrow tartan]

First thought would be some sort of offshoot of Rule Lords.

[candid compass]

Holy, Theft, Architect, Gardener

[frank light]

The shaper

[magic mason]

The shaperrrrrrrr

[candid compass]

Awful vibes in terms of stat set tbh

[frank light]

“Hi all my miraculous powers twist people up inside. Help”

This is the guy

Who has the certain je ne sais quoi

[candid compass]

it is very close to Rules as well
they just have Deepness instad of Theft

[narrow tartan]

Deceivers are the easiest Excrucians to punch. And the most punchable.

[magic mason]

you can punch a deciever but Deepness means it doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things

you cannot kill a deceiver in any way that matters

[vivid wraith]

they have so much auctoritas

Warmains are much more fun to fight I think

[narrow tartan]

Mhmm. I base my understanding of Deceivers and their powers based on a homebrew document I found for them which wrote up Deepness, Theft, and Sealed for them. Sadly I haven't found it again.

[patent tiger]

Honestly I think Strategists might just eke out Deceivers on their punchability

From the ideological bases that Glitch presents for them

[narrow tartan]

They are both very punchable. But Deceivers I think are worse at hand to hand combat

[patent tiger]

If I were a Noble, and I heard "reality is inherently, fundamentally evil and must be destroyed, this is an unassailably true given of all things, and it is empirically provable except you specifically cannot see it, so you have to trust me that I am right and you are basically a blind child who cannot accept obvious reality. also how dare you disagree with me" I would punch the Strategist

A Deceiver, at least, you can face the ideology they're coming from and argue with it

[patent tiger]

Yeah, but, I was considering that to be under the [easiest to punch] question, not the [punchable] one

[narrow tartan]

Thats a good point.

[frank light]

Yea

Strategists have the worst one

Even the author agrees it’s great

“They aren’t awesome like the warmains and deceivers can be, they are fucking twisted and they pretend it’s our fault”

It’s why I love them

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. I commissioned art of an Excrucian Strategist. I need to work on her name.

[patent tiger]

Glitch has a whole section on Excrucian naming conventions, which is fun

[narrow tartan]

Nods, used that tk name her. Currently her name is Hinemir. But it feels like a mouthful. So I need to add a shorter last name or recise it. Cant even remember what it means.

[frank light]

Could check out the diminutive section

[fleet harbor]

Mimics are the most punchable I am definitely not saying this to provoke @frank light

[frank light]

NOOOOOOO

NOT MY BOYS

[vivid wraith]

they're just some guys!!

[frank light]

My boys…

[fleet harbor]

ALIENS

THAT WAS MY THOUGHT

THEY’RE EVIL SCIENTIST ALIENS

Holy for sci fi/psychic powers, Theft for abducting and changing you

They’re the motherfucking greys

I dunno about Architect and Gardener

[magic mason]

I can def see architect

Consider the following splat

Theft
Holy
Architect
Adept

alternatively switch out Gardener for Wanderer

[wheat cobalt]

Holy, Theft, Sealed (fucked up alien technology/physics), Style (Infiltrating The Prosaic World)

[fleet harbor]

I was thinking Style, yeah

I think maybe these are things (or tendrils of something) from Outside and Style is like … their way of assuming more plausible guises?

They’re not actually grays but grays are a common way for them to present with Style

(Thematically they’re grays tho)

Someone remind me what Wanderer’s deal is?

It’s like … going weird places, and bringing useful stuff back?

[magic mason]

connection to another (estate based) world, also lets you infect people with a principle and call down invasions from that world

[fleet harbor]

That sounds right

Holy, Theft, Style, Wanderer?

[narrow tartan]

The Strategist I mentioned, Hinemir, is dying of contamination/purity.

[vivid wraith]

oooooh

[frank light]

Oooo

[narrow tartan]

Or perhaps more accurately purity/impurity. As her infection rises she becomes increasingly impure until it reaches a point at which even hell threatens her with its cleanliness. At a basic level she tends to bleed easily, and often has to deal with chronic nose bleeds

The exact ways she becomes impure varies though. Because I am as of yet too lazy to define it in more detail

Her role is that of a Shrine Maiden/priestess which tends to default to a miko aesthetic but she can adopt other styles if appropriate.

Her sphere is not very well defined at the moment but is principally inhabited by unclean not-creatures. Her Arcana largely take the form of various rodents but could potentially be expanddd to other types of critter.

Some possible Arcana include...
A type of mouse that build their nests inside of soft sounds. These are useful for finding whispered secrets, soundproofing a room, and other clever things.
A Necromouser. Which does necromancy stuff of some sort.

These are often stored as tattoos when not in use

Her destruction is versatile but requires the use of her blood as a medium. Basically she can unalive stuff that her blood touches

[narrow tartan]

If I played her. Her single starting Flore would be a jerk vampire ex boyfriend who she keeps pulling into stuff.

See. He was perfectly fine with the power imbalance between a being of blackest night and a fragile fleeting mortal when he got to be the cool one

She sometimes pretends to be a vampire but isnt very good at it

[frank light]

Lmao

[obsidian dagger]

I'm now thinking about a strategist who would be dying of either purity, or simplicity, or possibly complexity. Gimme a moment to find a quote from another game which I want to use as an example of how lethal purity and simplicity can be.

As a pure elemental substance, the water will draw any impurities into itself. Your body is made of impure water. Allowing the elemental water to touch you would—well, it wouldn't turn you into a splash of brine, but it would poison you pretty effectively.
(from Hadean Lands)

Similarly, human beings are very, very complex. If you make them simple, that would be... bad. ...although the downside of that is that creating complexity (or, equivalently, removing simplicity) implies creating information, and while generating fractals sort of counts (with increasing layers of recursion), fractals aren't actually that complicated, informationally speaking, because they're a single repeating pattern. Complexity means non-repeating patterns, which means creating new information and new details, which would be (as I understand it) basically an Actual factory.

[fleet harbor]

Still thinking about this, I think they’re called Intruders, and their deal is they are “translations” of an influence from the Outside and are typically motivated by a desire to learn, which they do in very strange ways mapping to their unfamiliarity with our conceptual net. They assume the countenance of beings of folklore, especially current folklore, so lots of urban legends and cryptids.

[frank light]

Ooooooo

Yes

I like

[fleet harbor]

They are driven by the need to experiment and test hypotheses, although the things they test for seem to follow a very incoherent logic

Ranging from obvious to completely unknowable

They don’t seem to actually know anything about the Outside

Or at least not in any way that’s decipherable to us

[frank light]

If they’re like most void beings, their experience with the Not could be very uh…unique to them

With their solipsistic bubble of experience it might be difficult to explain what the means to others which…y’know don’t live like that

To be honest them testing and chilling in creation could give them an avenue to understand their experiences in the Not, but understanding how a world operates beyond one’s self

[fleet harbor]

I think kind of envision them as … like imagine a kraken or leviathan, great tentacles reaching out of the dark

[frank light]

Nodnod

[fleet harbor]

Where those tentacles touch, at their very tips, is an Intruder

[frank light]

Interesting

[fleet harbor]

They are the thing in the depths reaching out to investigate Creation and even parts of Ninuan

[frank light]

One could give an argument to replace something of theirs with deepness buuut that makes them surprisingly close to rules

[fleet harbor]

I think they themselves are not Deep

[frank light]

That’s fair

Just it’s a good stat to model the tentacle thing

[fleet harbor]

They don’t really understand anything about the leviathan

Even if they are extensions of it

Wanderer is more their mileage

[frank light]

Fair enough

[fleet harbor]

But like, insofar as they are beings that obey a Creational or Ninuanni logic, there is nothing they could know or tell you about the thing of which they are extensions

Its whole conceptual map is other

They have a mission

A drive

But their purpose or cause is unknown even to them

At least that’s what I’m imagining

[frank light]

Makes sense

[narrow tartan]

Its really interesting.

I have a really terrible pun related to Nobilis which I should work out into a terrible joke

[narrow tartan]

Just. I either need a perfect highly specific set up. Or work out how to deliver it as a story

[magic mason]

Ghirahim from Skyward sword is Ideal Abhorrent Weapon

[narrow tartan]

I for one despise time and am all for destroying it at our earliest possible convenience

[frank light]

Nice

[narrow tartan]

If we didnt have to deal with time I could finally read all the books I have been meaning to. And still be in my twenties.

[frank light]

Could go into the void :3
Lots of time there

And no time at all

[narrow tartan]

Nods exactly.

Psuedo-estates i have come up with and put at least a little thought into.
The imaginative friend of [Deceiver]...
[Deceiver]'s twin...
The false eye of Zunstr Grinn...
The snails that vex [Deceiver]...
What followed [Deceiver] home...
The way of Aliss Lexigast...

[narrow tartan]

The snails one was inspired by an eeirie image i saw once. I had known anout my grandparents snail problem but I hadnt realized how bad it was until they were moving out and I looked into one of the garden beds. There was just a layer of shells. It was crazy

[fleet harbor]

My pstate is the media references of gkathellar

[bitter orbit]

My fellow Jennaheads!
Weapons of the gods, they were part of the ttrpgs development and I can feel her pen upon the page in many ways, and see how this comic series it's based on influenced her work to some degree. I suggest reading it, for it, is, good!

It even allows for excrusians to be part of the setting to a degree.

[narrow tartan]

Is it a new game? Or an old one? Just curious because i had heard of it before but assumed it was in the past

[bitter orbit]

old, early 2000s or so.

[vivid wraith]

she's credited under an older name too

[fleet harbor]

It was pretty big on rpgnet for a while

And is the spiritual ancestor to Legends of the Wulin

[bitter orbit]

Wulin is...I wish it looked better; thin font on a smuged light clay red background with little stylization makes it harder to read than weapons.

It does a lot to update weapons, like having zone instead of range band combat, which is a definite step up.

Ideally I'd have wulins mechanics, exalted's lore and weapons formatting for the perfect wuxia experience.

[fleet harbor]

LotW, lore-wise, is very genuine to the greater sweep of wuxia fiction, as opposed to Exalted which is more … westernized Wuxia? Wuxia as people without much wuxia exposure imagine it?

[bitter orbit]

as someone who's only exposure to it is a poorly translated chinese wuxia style martial arts rpg, I can't tell the difference.

[narrow tartan]

The twin deceiver would have have had a weird estate property. But i just realized that making it a geas on the Deceiver would be simpler.

...is [Deceiver]'s twin.
...is smart and popular and good at sports.
...thinks highly of [Deceiver].
...does not realize that [Deceiver] hates them.
...is dead at the hand of [Deceiver].
...never really existed anyway.```

[vivid wraith]

oooooh

[patent tiger]

That's a fun one

[narrow tartan]

I come up with the most twisted Deceivers when I channel my negative emotions.

Most of my focus when imagining him was focused on twisted things that can be done with the last two properties. Confuse everyone about what is really going on

[frank light]

Something interesting about pstates is you can do a lot with like, incarnation, blessing, binding, and sacrifice too

I wonder what making someone NOTHING like your twin would do

Or using binding to make someone into the best friend of your twin

Or using incarnation to watch over all things that are your twin

[narrow tartan]

I think. Abusing the transitive property might have odd effects. Actuallly. Replacing [Deceiver] with Twin would open up weird possibilities

As for making someone nothing like your twin. By itself is fairly subrle. But can get bigger results by using the transitive property. Like if A is the sibling of B. And A is the twin of D. And D makes B comepletely not a Twin it might make it so that A and B are no longer siblings.

[magic mason]

Consider: using it on a corpse to bring them back to life, or make it so that it was the deceiver who killed them

It also makes them bad at sports

Or could make them exist

[fleet harbor]

What if: a minor faction of various types of miraculous being. Intruders construct bizarre experiments. Collectors steal complex systems, the more sophisticated and effective the better (sometimes they make them in order to steal them) (this is why all the bureaucracies suck Collectors keep stealing the good ones). Criers try to teach Creation and Ninuan about the leviathan and its logic, usually to no good result.

[narrow tartan]

Would divine warrant protect someone from the consequences of their actions or only the judgement?

[vivid wraith]

bit of both i think

mostly judgment, but I think any more-or-less instinctive revulsion will also be... blunted

[patent tiger]

The person you murdered is still dead, and the people who cared for them are sad and upset about that, but they might not be angry at you for doing it

So, what consequences happen is kinda dependent

[narrow tartan]

More like. The Angel of Bullets. Probably has a divine warrant involving poor gun safety.

And like. Does that put people arounf thr angel of bullets at risk?

[patent tiger]

Probably!

[vivid wraith]

they'll all just say some variant of "ah, I should have been more careful" probably

[narrow tartan]

Nods. Divine warrant is weird. Basically Angel of Bullets is. Probably just named Roland because Dark Tower. But a wandering gunslinger. Estates include Guns, temporal corners (dawn, dusk, noon, antinoon, equinox, solstice), and "heroism". Maybe coffee. Never stays in one place long because he actually recognizes the toxic parts of Gardener but doesn't have the skill to handle them with appropriate care.

[narrow tartan]

Story things I have contemplated trying to write based around an OC strategist.
-Her and two other Excrucians physically entering a Pathfinder campaign path because the Deceiver was bored and it seemed interesting. This would in part be an attempt to make myself write using the campaign path so I dont have to figure out a plot.

-A story from the point of view of her vampire boyfriend.

-The time she made a mobile doom temple intended to murder gods but was forced to either shut it down or rent space out to college students

[narrow tartan]

I once watched a youtube video summarizing the plot of a Korean animated show. Near the end the existence of a machine which can manipulate human value systems is revealed. Currently it is set to "Beauty is the objective measure of human worth"

It was mentioned that they had tried other schema such as inteligence or tallness jn the past

[vivid wraith]

should've gone with tallness (the machine is programmed by Serpents)

[frank light]

Invader zim

[narrow tartan]

Seems more like something the Rulers would do. Serpents wouldn't have done a more competent job, just a less dysfunctional one.

[vivid wraith]

but they're very tall

[narrow tartan]

Serpents in general should have been entrusted with running reality. I mean, if they had been in charge of Heaven and punched a hole into the Not the Excrucians wouldn't be a problem.

Either they would have looked up and imagined new friends

Or the snake shaped Riders would be too busy falling off of the horses.

[magic mason]

Tbf serpents and heaven have historically not been the best combo

[candid compass]

the branches cannot hold them unfortunately

[magic mason]

Yeah if they try to climb that high the death toll starts skyrocketing

[candid compass]

it's never happened obviously
but there are theories that Heaven might just snap off the top of the Ash if a Serpent tried to climb all the way up there

[magic mason]

Nightmare scenario: Warmain who tempers something or someone worse than them
Like to the point you ask “Really? Of all fucking people?”

[patent tiger]

Test of Being The Worst

Warmain that shakes their head in disgust when someone has any redeeming qualities

[obsidian dagger]

Affliction (2): As long as I can feel the wind and see the stars, I can find a path from anywhere to anywhere.
Free Creature of Fable-esque affliction for you all. Could be a Bond instead, or implicit as part of the whole "do cool things off-camera" power, but it just feels neat to phrase it like that.

[narrow tartan]

I dont know much about art sharing etiquette

Art i commißioned.

Also most of the larger picture is cropped out

[frank light]

OOOOOOO

YESSS

[restive ridge]

Ooph

Very good

[fleet harbor]

Generally just make sure to share the artist, ideally with their socials

[narrow tartan]

Okay. Will do. I asked the artist what they wanted me to share with it yesterday. So when I get the info will update

For now. They go by Jen on Sufficient Velocity

[frank light]

They do good work!

This is coooool

[narrow tartan]

Okay Jen got back to me. Said pantaipong is a good name to give for them.

[narrow tartan]

Thinking about. The Outside in Chuubo's is different than the Not? Correct. It emerged when the sun died. But presumably it has existed for some time because the shrine families are in part based on processing Outside dust.

One setting explanation I came up with. The Outside has always sort of existed between the Is and the Is Not but in most places it wasn't very big. Town was one of the areas where it was a thing which is part of why it didn't get drowned when the Sun died.

[narrow tartan]

Anyway. Made up stuff aside.

It seems like crossjng Exalted with Jennagames is most sensibly done via Chuubos. Which is probably hilarious either wag.

[vivid wraith]

plz

[fleet harbor]

You know what would be funny

An Imperator ennobles someone’s Exalted OC

[patent tiger]

Use the World of Darkness as a connective tissue setting

[fleet harbor]

Like specifically the character is fictional

And all of their memories are of being a character in the Exalted verse

[patent tiger]

Someone's ttrpg character getting enNobled would be very funny

[fleet harbor]

And they’re having a hard time with the realization that they were dreamed up in a Tim Horton’s by a 31-year old gamer

[patent tiger]

The villain of a ttrpg campaign getting enNobled

Now they have to process that their entire existence was for the purpose of them getting killed in 2 weeks

[fleet harbor]

If we wanted to get really stupid it could be a character in a Nobilis game

One of an entirely different type of miraculous being

Maybe the Imperator was covertly a player in the game

And really liked this one NPC

And the game ended and they were like

“I know what I’ll do!”

[patent tiger]

Boy is that a layered existential crisis

"Well now I can't trust this new reality at all"

"How long until I get plucked out of this one, too?"

[vivid wraith]

the local deceiver:

[fleet harbor]

Their memories are of being a deceiver, even

[narrow tartan]

Moriarty from the Star Trek episode is enNobled. Which combines him with Daniel Davis

[frank light]

The deceiver tiptoeing into the scene:

[narrow tartan]

After we finish off time I think we should kill the sun. Too hot

Or at least hold off on murdering time until things get a little cooler

[narrow tartan]

Still getting used to new avatar

[vivid wraith]

oooooh
looks good

[narrow tartan]

But. Two noble characters I would maybe use as NPCs.
-A worn down tech support for a (random company) who finally got out of the game. And then got tapped by the Angel of the Houses of the Dead to run the bloated undocumented systems used to sort the dead.
-Noble married to a Warmain who is all in on killing them. The noble just has Immortality, Aspect 7, and a Geas about not losing to the Warmain

[narrow tartan]

I had an idea once which I ended up overthinking because I was worried about the last idea possibly being offensive.

Started with a fallen angel of Teeth and Anxiety. Added Clowns for some reason

The bit that made me uncertain is that anxiety+clowns made me think about anxiety related to transitioning. The fear of people seeing you and mocking you.

[vivid wraith]

huh
I wouldn't have drawn that connection myself

[narrow tartan]

And the part that makes me worried was the last idea I had for an Estate: Sharks. And the idea of the noble of sharks protecting trans people. But making a connection between the Imperator of clowns and trans people. Makes me worried

[candid compass]

well one thing to note here is also that an Imperator's estates need not have any connection to each other at all

[fleet harbor]

https://preview.redd.it/vt2kjqsoz0u91.jpg?width=320&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d1977224afe13069426f0a060076857ae195fea8

Alaen is correct but also this

[narrow tartan]

I like it when Imperators have some level of coherency to their Eatates. Even if it is a weird coherency.

[fleet harbor]

You might like the estates our imperator ended up with in the game I was in, then: Void, Agony, Poison, Dragons, and Clocks

Definitely Not A Mimic :D

[fresh dust]

His NAME JEFF

[narrow tartan]

Strategist Ganon trying to get Glitched Link and Zelda to wake up and realize that the world is wrong.

[frank light]

Oh fun fun

[narrow tartan]

I saw someone post something like that that wasnt actually that. Just triforce pieces and eternal reccurence as a curse.

It was a while ago

[nocturne epoch]

Curse of this same twink killing me

[patent tiger]

Honestly, a Strategist with the bane of just one specific fucking guy would be hilarious

(Dieselle is kind of that in my Glitch game, but more broadly it's Harry Potter AUs that only sometimes feature the Onceler)

[frank light]

One day, girlboss bellatrix lestrange will return

[patent tiger]

She's been poised to strike but so much has happened

[frank light]

We’re so sorry

[narrow tartan]

There should be more nobilis/glitch crossover fanfic.

[patent tiger]

Be the change thou wishest to see in the world

[narrow tartan]

I am unfortunately not a writer.

I want to be but I can't make myself write

Tried a little writing with OC characters. Will have to try again.

[narrow tartan]

Tried a little. Got like a good sentence or two of descriptive language. Then. I don't know how to move from description to dialogue, and it is pretty barr bones descriptive stuff

Hmm. Action. Description. Dialogue

[narrow tartan]

Otis. Ninuani name undecided. Is a protostrategist who recently glitched. Specifically while on a space walk he encountered a fragment of the true void of Ninuan, realized that this is what emptiness really supposed to be and began dying of exposure.

[frank light]

Oh noooo

[narrow tartan]

Basic story thing. Idea. I have tried to start. Opens with a friend of the astronaut waking up after the astronaut's funeral and being annoyed at his presence in her hotel room

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Nobilis/Lancer crossover with in which an NHP is derived from an Abhorrent Weapon. Unfortunately I don't know much about Abhorrent Weapons. And don't have the new rog with the rats and the weapons.

I feel like the obvious thing would involve SSC getting ahold of Malambruno

[frank light]

its somewhat vague what the Mysteries are but i dont think they actually give much insight into the current form of abhorrent weapons

[vivid wraith]

i'm a little unsure how many shared traits Abhorrent Weapons have as a whole

It seems to be... very few, besides history being wielded by the Excrucians

[patent tiger]

My understanding is Abhorrent Weapon is a descriptive category more than a prescriptive one

[vivid wraith]

yeah very likely

[patent tiger]

As long as it:

a) has the ability to produce a miracle that can kill an Imperator (ie, a power that can kill something in one way or another of a miraculous level of 7 or higher)
b) has the ability to be wielded, for some definition of that concept

It qualifies

(I've been playing with the nature of Abhorrent Weapons and the boundaries of existence as a weapon a bit in my Glitch game)

(It's a fun theme!)

[frank light]

theyre usually made through very long quests or something
theyre hard to make and less common than excrucians themselves

[patent tiger]

Not many objects have strong innate miraculous power

[narrow tartan]

Their association with mysteries makes them more particularized.

More individualized

[patent tiger]

Mysteries are the form they take specifically in the Chuubo's future age

Which involves a fundamental shift in the metaphyics

There's a perspective to be gained from that look at them, but it's a filtered perspective

[vivid wraith]

there's also the possibility of non-AW Mysteries

[patent tiger]

(And, it seems like not all Mysteries are former Abhorrent Weapons)

Verily

[frank light]

yeah

[patent tiger]

[Mystery] is essentially a rat-defined category of [weird dangerous magical entity]

[frank light]

mysteries may be a type of thing that abhorrent weapons are uniquely in the position to become

with other things in that category

[vivid wraith]

maybe the froofs were a vault before the age ended

[frank light]

lmao

[vivid wraith]

or there was a summoning spell to bring the weapons there

[narrow tartan]

Arcsets encompass the stories that a splat is expected to experience. Abhorrent Weapons have a somewhat unified narritive. So it is oossible to come up with a decent arcset for them. But Mysteries don't have quite the same unity

[frank light]

i would honestly say that many abhorrent weapons would have pretty unique narratives

Horror has a very different vibe from Loathing
one of them hates themselves and the other is an incomprehensible symbol that drives away creation

[vivid wraith]

hm, Monstrous' other name translates to "Cold Fire"

i am also now seeing that Malumbruno's backstory suggest a second foundational corrupted angel thing, completely separate from the Fallen

[fleet harbor]

Part of this is that most things with miraculous power stop being objects in the proper sense

[patent tiger]

Yeah

[vivid wraith]

hmmmmmmm

Monstrous artifacts huh

[patent tiger]

Since everything that's an object is also a person, usually an object gets a lot of miraculous power and probably that person aspect wants to use it some

[fleet harbor]

Oh btw this was gonna be what Imbalance's monstrous form looked like ;_;

(Artist: me)

[frank light]

YOOOOOOOOOOOO

SICK AS FUCK

[vivid wraith]

👀👀👀👀👀👀

[fleet harbor]

It was actually a pencil sketch but when I scanned it all the lines got darkened in a really cool way

[hollow spruce]

Oh sick, gk art

[fleet harbor]

It was originally a sketch of like ... a land god, as in the totemic spirit of the land itself, so I gave it a combination of various animal features

But that was an age ago back when I drew a bunch

[vivid wraith]

beginning a conspiracy board for "abhorrent weapons were forged by warmains"

[frank light]

monstrous i think can do it for sure

though strategists are explicitly capable of doing so as well

and abhorrent weapons are still being created to this day

strategists are like the main logistics freaks of the warhost
they make the spooky monsters, legendary weapons, pocket dimensions, fortresses, etc.

and also are good at unmaking the world

[vivid wraith]

I see I see

[patent tiger]

High Flore Noble working really hard on a weapon that can hurt Excrucians harder than their immortality can shake off, and not thinking about the long-term implications

[frank light]

lost&found

[patent tiger]

Not quite

The long term implications are the point there

[nocturne epoch]

SICK

I didn't know you could draw

[fleet harbor]

I don't know that I still can, but I had a phase where I had a really boring job that involved holding a clipboard a lot

In those two years I taught myself a decent bit

But I have not practiced in a long time

I'm gonna have to reuse Sam if I ever find another game -_-

[patent tiger]

Sam's a fun character premise

[frank light]

sam was fun

[fleet harbor]

For everyone else: Imbalance was a Ninuanni abhorrent weapon that had been out of action since the beginning of the Valde Bellum, taking the form of a hammer. It could strike things to find and amplify their flaws until eventually nothing was left but fault lines and they shattered. (This was Ru's concept.)

Sam was a smith and it also ate any other hammer she acquired when no one was looking >_>

[hollow spruce]

[candid compass]

Aldmillia hard at work to create problems for everyone

[patent tiger]

Yeah

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. My best Abhorrent Weapon idea. Was Cyborg. Never been 100% satisfied with its weapon form. Though I know originally it was a ship. I imagine that the threat of Cyborg in a longer conflict is that it distorts the past and the future to revolve around itself. If you hunt it eventually you will have always hunted it.

[narrow tartan]

Story idea for a Chuubos game. PC gets labled as a Mystery by the rats. Periodically have to deal with rat shenanigans

[obsidian dagger]

What color arcs? I could see that being green, orange, or maybe purple or red just off the top of my head, and all of those feel very different.

[frank light]

silver

[obsidian dagger]

Like... are they trying to be declared Not A Mystery, or just going "okay, I guess this is my life now 🙂", or is it about the metaphysical implications of being a mystery? Or Blue, and about interactions with the other mysteries?

...what color is Kamichu? I want to say Orange, probably?

It's about becoming a god, but focused less on the metaphysical implications of that and more on the role of "being a god" and the associated rights and responsibilities.

Silver... I mean, I could see it being Isolation-esque... except that's Black and not Silver 🤦 but that could be both about the metaphysical transformation and the sort of... isolation. Whether that isolation would be before or after being declared as a mystery is... unclear.

[vivid wraith]

What's the color for getting attacked by rats repeatedly

[obsidian dagger]

Oh here's a screwed-up arc which would arguably fit for being Silver, or at least fit decently well for an Accursed character: the character, after already being fairly separate from the world and melancholic and consumed by strange and wicked powers, has been declared a Mystery, and thus the rats make periodic semi-ritualistic attempts to kill them and maybe a Yatskaya goes to try to deal with or bond with them but maybe not.

[obsidian dagger]

How dangerous are the attacks, and how predictable are they?

[vivid wraith]

Inconvenience at best, potentially extremely distressing. unpredictable

[frank light]

silver has a lot of options with struggling
at least going off of the shit strategists deal with in glitch

and being labelled as a mystery and having to deal with that life could work if you lean into it

[obsidian dagger]

I can see Red or maybe Orange if they're a sort of looming persistent threat, but if it's much more ritualistic in a sense with the rat attacks being closer to a game or a challenge than an actual seriously winnable threat, that could be... I'm not sure. Maybe Orange, or if you're very caught off guard by the implications, green or maybe black?

[vivid wraith]

hmmm i see

[obsidian dagger]

Or if you want a kind of screwed-up angle, you could do silver or even purple, if the various murine ambushes are a net increase in social interaction. Especially if you get to know one particularly persistent rat. ||This, too, is yuri.||

I think Moran talked about speeding up/slowing down arcs by inverting colors, and there was something about how... I think red and silver inverted, where if you take the gradual slow suffering that is Silver and (narratively) concentrate it into a few dramatic moments, it gets sped up into a Red bullet? Unless that was green/red; I'd need to see another reference on what I'm talking about.

The Colors of Awe

Often I find that speeding things up swaps the colors around. There are actually multiple different ways this can happen, and sometimes it doesn’t happen at all. The most common is, IIRC:

Blue       <=>        Red
Purple   <=>        Gold
Orange <=>        Green
Silver     <=>        Black

This might not be accurate.
I need to find a closer example, but orange/green is probably the axis we're looking at here? It depends whether the story is about "ah! A rat has attacked!" or "I am constantly looking over my shoulder for rats, since their persistent attacks (most of which occur off-camera) have uncomfortably woven themself into my daily life" probably.

Though of course that isn't strictly necessary, and I need to reread some arc descriptions... but is this story about danger, or about fear?

I was going to still say "a silver arc about making friends with the person who repeatedly fails to kill you" and then I realized that's... almost exactly backwards from Goblin is Very Strong which is a good manga.

Honestly "you are attacked by rats" could be a single quest, or even a single bullet point in a single quest (although making is a minor quest xp action is probably wrong... something about the threat of rats making you act more cautiously or worry about "what if they attacked you" or jump at shadows might work for a very specific kind of story, though.)

[narrow tartan]

My original line of thought was a vaguely comedic "this is my life now" kind of quest. My initial vision was a fairly good natured character having to deal with largely ineffective rat attacks while trying not to kill them. But a lot of options sound interesting

[obsidian dagger]

If it's vaguely comedic, that'd probably be orange or maybe red.

Maybe even purple, actually? It's not out of the question. It sort of depends on both how much the character is afraid in-universe, and also, separately, how likely it is that the attacks will cause serious harm when viewed from a meta perspective.

[restive ridge]

Sorry a lot, just it has been a mix of factors for me

[fleet harbor]

It's really okay. I enjoyed things, but I also understand that the complexities of real life always come first.

[vivid wraith]

remembering this fondly

[fleet harbor]

XD

[obsidian dagger]

...I have no recollection of this, and am torn between disagreeing significantly with this, and going "actually yeah this seems correct".

[narrow tartan]

...wriggles through time and space.
...crosses ways with many others.
...transforms those who follow it.
...is surrounded by wonder.
...is easily lost.
...returns safely where it began.```

[vivid wraith]

very nice!

[narrow tartan]

I dont think I have shared that before. But she js the one who can steal belonging in the form of shoes

[frank light]

Oooo

[magic mason]

Pathfinder classes if they have miraclous arcs

Oracle: Prophet and Wyrd
Fighter: Visage and Ace
Barbarian: Wanderer and Sealed
Thamaturge: Style and Hunter
Bard: Holy and Architect
Sorcerer: Wounded and Sealed
Clerics: Domain and Prophet
Wizards: Adept and Lore
Swashbuckeler: Eide and Allegorical
Rogues: Eide and Aspect
Investigator: Hunter and Architect
Summoner: Symbolic and Become Somebody(VERY HARD)
Champion: Monstrous and Persona
Druid: Gardener and Wanderer
Alchemist: Lore and Vastness
Psychic: Adept and Wounded
Kineticist: Domain and Sealed
Monk: Aspect and Persona
Witch: Prophet and Style
Magus: Aspect and Lore
Gunslinger: Allegorical and Hunt
Inventor: Style and Flore

some of these were... very diffuclt

Shoutout to Alaen for the help

[vivid wraith]

I like Eide for Rogues a lot

[magic mason]

A lot of these are funny

I like Aspect Lore for Magus a good bit

Style/Hunter thaumaturge is a personal fav

[candid compass]

Rogue is the most natural fit for Eide I think

They would have a technique and various sneaky tricks

[vivid wraith]

yeah!

[fleet harbor]

Eide/Aspect sounds like a very fun combination

I feel like they’d have synergy

[candid compass]

This was kicked off by us talking about Oracles, and then saying that they totally have Wyrd

[fleet harbor]

Actually isn't Aspect specifically usable in conjunction with other Miracles for some purposes?

contemplates Eide/Aspect further in light of this

... Eide, Aspect, Style, and Prophet

The Most Stylish Miraculous Being

[narrow tartan]

Interesting.

[candid compass]

you can probably use stuff like Perfection to empower your Stunts?

or more generally Ability actions utilizing your technique

[fleet harbor]

Maybe not Style, actually, the weird thing about Style is it's not necessarily about being stylish

Eide, Aspect, Prophet, aaaaand ..?

[candid compass]

Style ironically is about being constantly desperate and hard pressed, but barely suceeding anyway 😛

[magic mason]

Probably a second yellow

Like Adept

[fleet harbor]

What about Lore?

[magic mason]

Lore could also work

[fleet harbor]

Lore is about having a personal panoply that's distinctive to you personally

I feel like that fits

Persona could also work I suppose

But I feel like Prophet is sorta filling that role here

[candid compass]

alternatively, Allegorical

[narrow tartan]

I sometimes contemplate what the saddest most cursed Arcset possible is. Start with Wyrd and Wounded.

[fleet harbor]

I could see cases made for Lore, Allegorical, and even Symbolic

[fleet harbor]

Sealed and Style

[magic mason]

Wyrd Wanderer Wounded Visage

[fleet harbor]

Ooooh, Visage

[candid compass]

I was also thinking Wanderer yeah

[fleet harbor]

Hm, Visage is interesting but I'm not sure about it

[narrow tartan]

Sealed is to peppy. We need not peppy

[candid compass]

Sealed does make sense to me in being Yellow

though I think going purely off arcs, Yellow, Silver, Black, and Green would probably end with you having the worst time

well, Emptiness arcs can be okay actually I guess

[fleet harbor]

I only really know Sealed from Glitch, where it's specifically mentioned to be harmful to oneself to use unless you're real good at it

[magic mason]

Sealed is more about having a gimmick superpower that is OP

But narratively isn’t as strong as you think it is

[narrow tartan]

Gimmick superpower and weird social stuff

[candid compass]

Sealed is about having a power that by all rights should be completely overpowered
but it's not, and you can never quite get it to be as useful as it should be

[magic mason]

Think like… The Flash and his Super Speed or Reality Warpers in marvel comics

[candid compass]

only by placing limitations on yourself can you actually make your Sealed power useful

[magic mason]

Sealed is what deceivers use for “I can steal peoples powers” and its what fallen use for “I am literally omnipresent”

[narrow tartan]

Huh. Didnt know that. My mental model for Serpent and Fallen Sealed was default to wishes

[restive ridge]

Fallen have their omnipresence be a thing all 4 of their stats can do

[candid compass]

at low Sealed you can only use the power to accomplish things that would be trivial/when it would be funny

[restive ridge]

And Serpents do probaly use Sealed for 3e style Imperial Wishes

[candid compass]

you need to use your System, the rules you impose on your power, to actually use it for bigger stuff

[magic mason]

Serpents are also the one most liable to have unique sealed powers

Like sometimes you just run into a serpent who has Sealed super strength

Or Sealed cosmic magic

[fleet harbor]

Big snekk

[narrow tartan]

My mental model. Is that Serpents make Wishes based on people/things they care about. And fhat Fallen default to making wishes based on their Estates

[magic mason]

But yeah, Sealed doesn’t inherently suck in the same way Visage does imo

[frank light]

There’s a little note that indicates that serpents are liable to have different sealed powers depending on who they are

[magic mason]

Yeah Serpents are most common to have unique powers

[candid compass]

it is still Yellow 😛
but yeah

[magic mason]

Well all the arcs suck to go on

[candid compass]

well some less and some more, but yeah

[candid compass]

I'd still say Training/Yellow arcs are one of the more straightforward "you're gonna have a bad time" ones

[narrow tartan]

Jenna Moran once described yellow arcs as having a great time

[frank light]

From what I’ve read of yellow arcs that’s not necessarily always the case

[magic mason]

Yellow arcs have you fighting for your fucking life

[frank light]

Powerset wise they’re pretty strong

[magic mason]

But like, in a cool way

[frank light]

But an arc isn’t the same as a powerset

[magic mason]

Emptiness mfs contemplating their existence, yellow mfs out here trying to break through the demon-beast’s 13th immortality before it devours their soul

[candid compass]

yeah Emptiness on thinking again is ironically probably fine mostly
it's a more quiet and contemplative kind of melancholy

[frank light]

Emptiness and shepherd maybe? Both of those are quiet but involve working through your trauma and depression

[candid compass]

Green and Black are also overall less pleasant I think, Green moreso

[narrow tartan]

Like the valence is important?

[magic mason]

For those who have only read glitch

Ya know poisoned? Imagine if that was your arc

Like THAT was your arc

For green

[candid compass]

Purple/Shepherd is IIRC you being entangled in some new responsibility, which can be stressful but I think not quite as bad in most cases

[narrow tartan]

Green and black have always been harder for me to understand

[restive ridge]

Shepherd is mostly fine in Glitch, it can be sad but the default is not that bad

[magic mason]

In far roofs the shepherd arc person is actually having a pretty normal time

[restive ridge]

I think the most painful Green would probaly be Domain

[candid compass]

Black in general is pretty weird tbh

[magic mason]

Green is about being transformed, often against your will, and trying to hold onto yourself through that. Sometimes metaphorically, sometimes literally

Black is… a religious experience, its a fable, a morality tale.

Black arcs do shit like have in depth conversations trying to convert ideological opposites to their cause without being converted themselves

But their idealogy is like

Them being the prophet of knoves or some shit

Deepness gets weird with this

[frank light]

I wanna look into trying to do other arc quests in glitch besides the normal 3 we got

Y’know for the bit

[candid compass]

the funniest part about Yellow IMO is that most arcs on their fifth quest, they are done
you did it, now enjoy/suffer the consequences of your actions
For Yellow? Their fifth quest is the darkest hour, you thought you defeated your enemy, but actually things got so much worse and it's looking bleak

[fleet harbor]

Oh, Karen: absurdly stylish miraculous being, just the coolest. Eide, Aspect, Prophet and ... Lore, Allegorical, or Symbolic?

[frank light]

For stylish? Allegorical

[fleet harbor]

Mm, alright

I may actually try to write this up I am amused by the vague concept

Of a type of miraculous being that just vaguely embodies "do cool thing"

[magic mason]

Btw this is mostly unrelated from anything but I love playing more absurd and monstrous characters in nobilis/glitch

Its one of the few systems that lets you do it easily

[fleet harbor]

Aren't you playing a murder hotel?

[magic mason]

Yeah its a great example

And Laithgund prefers haunted hotel

If it had its way the murders would be over by now…. But ya know…. Banes

[narrow tartan]

For being stylish Holy comes to mind

[magic mason]

Oh yeah holy definitely works

I first kinda realized this when I was told about The Voice Of Morrowin Hollow(who is still an extremely strange character and I am pretty sure a voidborn deceiver) and they are just out here like the Hiss from control

With very little mechanical differences

[fleet harbor]

Hm, yeah Holy might be better than Allegorical

"It's what gets them spotlit by random environmental phenomena all the time."

Yeah that seems about right

[candid compass]

Holy has some funny powers

[fleet harbor]

I need to take a closer look at Holy and Prophet, which Chuubo's miraculous arcs are they?

[magic mason]

Voice is really weird because I’m like…. 90% sure it had to do a little bit of warmain shit to get started, because I am pretty sure the Hollow itself was a Waylet

[magic mason]

Creature of Light and Prophet

[fleet harbor]

Gotcha

[magic mason]

Both of them are in far roofs which gives you a pretty clear vision if you have the backer pdf

[candid compass]

Holy gives you power over the pacing of the narrative

it's weird

you can just show up, or leave
or end a scene the way you want it to

[fleet harbor]

Oh I do! I keep meaning to read it

[narrow tartan]

I'm waiting to get the print version

[candid compass]

Appear is I'd say Holy's signature move

[magic mason]

My fav holy power is transition

[candid compass]

where you can just show up in a scene more or less whenever you want
but at the end of the scene it will turn out you weren't actually there at all, people just kinda thought you were

[magic mason]

Which lets you Force End a scene

[fleet harbor]

... you know

Looking at Creature of Light

[candid compass]

and you just fade away and people realize that what they thought was you, was actually just an extremely conveniently shaped background object

[fleet harbor]

You could use this to do a gag character

[magic mason]

Yeah!

[fleet harbor]

Some of these abilities could be deeply funny if you wanted them to be

[candid compass]

my immediate first thought

don't know if any of you have seen/read this one 😛

[fleet harbor]

I haven't but my immediate thought

Was Pinkie Pie

[magic mason]

Fascinating

[candid compass]

the whole joke of this is basically that Sakamoto is just comically omnicompetent at everything
no matter the issues, he just succeeds anyway

but is also just a really nice guy, so you can't even be mad at him

[fleet harbor]

But yeah Holy looks perfect for what I'm imagining

[narrow tartan]

Allegorical seems like one of the less pleasant Immortal arcs.

[magic mason]

Depends on how the identity exploration is going on Orange

[candid compass]

it depends
you do have a Failing technically, but Allegorical doesn't really suffer from it as much

[narrow tartan]

More focused on the trapped in a role thing.

[magic mason]

You aren’t necessarily trapped, at least to my knowledge

Usual your role is something you pursue, something in your heart of hearts you are

[candid compass]

your Role is just something you are AIUI

[magic mason]

Like a lot of orange arcs are exploring what it means to be your role and that type of thing

[candid compass]

in general the Immortal stats tend to be a little above it all

where their struggle is more reconciling your perspective with other people

[narrow tartan]

"Those who walk this Arc are traditionally prisoners, in one fashion or another. They did not want to
have the role they have, It was forced upon them"

[magic mason]

Huh. Interesting

I did not see that

[narrow tartan]

Book of Golden Hours.

[magic mason]

Ah well that makes sense

I don’t own that book

[narrow tartan]

Thats fair. It is something from her Patreon.

And it might be outdated, because it was never finished I think

But that is where I get some of my understanding of different arcs.

[frank light]

Ah lmao yes

The patreon stuff

I need to check it out at some point cus it had some neat info

[fleet harbor]

Alright, yeah, Holy and Prophet look correct

[narrow tartan]

Also. Thanks yall for making Green and Black arcs make more sense.

[obsidian dagger]

I now have a vivid idea (currently devoid of context) related to a brief interpretation of that thing about suddenly being declared a Mystery: there is a character who lives in their room. Their room has a bed, books, a door which they don't open, and a window out onto the roof. That room is their world, save for when they step out onto the near roof in uncommon fits of daring, but always they return to their room, and it is their whole world. ...or, at least, it was, until the rats started trying to kill them.

This is maybe not literally a Strategist, but this is a Strategist.

(with the slight exception that the periodic attempted murine assassinations actually broaden their world and increase their social contact.)

If they were a Strategist, the rats wouldn't be their Bane. They aren't what drives the character out of the world; they're what draws them into the world and out of their seclusion.

[frank light]

Well in all fairness your bane sometimes is also what drags you back to the world

But yeah I see what you mean

[fleet harbor]

The rats are an anchor which they have a very antagonistic relationship with

The room is their bane

They're high Flore

[obsidian dagger]

Probably, yes, although I have this weird vision of them having a friendly relationship with one specific rat (making them into an anchor/treasure)

[fleet harbor]

And high Wyrd

Both things can be true!

[obsidian dagger]

Which one is Wyrd again?

[fleet harbor]

Anchor: "the rats that help me by trying to kill me"

Anchor: "one particular rat who is my pal"

[candid compass]

Accursed

[fleet harbor]

Stuff directly related to your Bane

... oh god I just thought of the worst pun

I'm gonna inflict it on all of you

Bane management

[obsidian dagger]

Ah. That's the Archetypal Strategist Power, yeah. I know it demands a sort of "safe shelter" of you, which is what the character's room is. ...this whole thing seems like it could be a very melancholic Silver story, but it also seems like the character wouldn't have many troubles to begin with. I'm also not sure if they would exit their window occasionally before the story, or not until the rats came in from there.

[frank light]

Ah yeah the sanctuary

Wyrd also has all kinds of fun things like editing your mind or destiny

That one’s fun

Or ignoring the world

Or exploding

[candid compass]

It's pretty funny looking at how few powers it has in Chuubo

[frank light]

Or making pocket dimensions and minions but that’s a general silver thing

Yeah lmao

Wyrd got kinda a glowup in glitch.

[candid compass]

But I guess WBH is a bit mor versatile than Destruction

[frank light]

It is when it comes to deletion yeah

Though you can combine a wbh gift with a more complex base destruction

Something that corrupts or whatever

Tho one day I would love to try out wbh

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. All superheroes probably have Allegorical.

Or at least the big ones. Superman boxing Muhammad Alli.

[frank light]

interesting

i guess it depends on the hero, but allegorical has some weird stuff that may not fit with all of them

like making the world come to life

[narrow tartan]

Mhmm thats fair. Mostly was focusing on the "seen it all" thing. Just superheros in any one story don't have Allegorical but the aggregate of all their appearances is a lot like Allegorical.

I also once tried to brainstorm novel miraculous arcs. I did not do a very good job but I had two sort of okay ideas for specific bits.

A Purple or Blue arc which I jokingly called Horse Girl. In which your character shares a bond with a potentially dangerous creature. One of the high level power can grant someone their own creature.

[fleet harbor]

The entire Justice League is actually a single Actual

[narrow tartan]

And some sort of green or orange arc about being pulled between the mundane and the extraordinary. Their would be a power that messes with that lets you avoid a problem by making it an issue for your other identity.

[vivid wraith]

Lloyd Frontera/Suho Kim, the Greatest Estate Developer

Holy (Divine Warrant: Capitalism)
Sealed (literal isekai cheat powers)
Lore (has a ton of familiars)
Worldwalker (isekai protagonist)
things i would like to include but am unsure about: Architect (literally an architect) and some way to represent "yeah i'm supposed to be the guy i reincarnated as, but actually i'm someone else" (maybe Eide?)

[frank light]

lmao

eide would be funny

[vivid wraith]

tbh his technique could be The Greatest Estate Developer

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. The proposed Holy/Theft splat maybe resemble Isekaii stuff.

[vivid wraith]

oooh

[narrow tartan]

It came up here like a week ago and the rough lore was Ninuani intruders who were more curious about the world.

[vivid wraith]

wait are Style and Sealed both cheat skills or did I get them confused
I know Sealed is literally "Cheat" in Froofs

[narrow tartan]

Their is some overlap but they say very different things about a character

[vivid wraith]

hmmm got it

[patent tiger]

Style writeups

(From Actuals and Mimics respectively)

[narrow tartan]

Sealed includes a lot of persuasion/charisma stuff.

[fleet harbor]

hnjy87u

[patent tiger]

It seems to be a flavor of "here's your approach to things, and that can kind of be made to fit whatever context through plot devices"

[fleet harbor]

Re: the Holy/Theft thing I was thinking they're from a place foreign to even Ninuan

Which IIRC the Outside is?

Or the farthest reaches of it?

[frank light]

the Outside is at least kinda a gradiated ninuan

i think if you go really far outside you get to a much purer void than the near outside

[fleet harbor]

Got it

I was imagining them as something from that part

Or as extensions of something from that part

Ah, here was the concept I ended up putting together

Still thinking about this, I think they’re called Intruders, and their deal is they are “translations” of an influence from the Outside and are typically motivated by a desire to learn, which they do in very strange ways mapping to their unfamiliarity with our conceptual net. They assume the countenance of beings of folklore, especially current folklore, so lots of urban legends and cryptids.

[frank light]

ooooo

yeah!!!

[fleet harbor]

Also this

What if: a minor faction of various types of miraculous being. Intruders construct bizarre experiments. Collectors steal complex systems, the more sophisticated and effective the better (sometimes they make them in order to steal them) (this is why all the bureaucracies suck Collectors keep stealing the good ones). Criers try to teach Creation and Ninuan about the leviathan and its logic, usually to no good result.

[vivid wraith]

maybe Visage is good for isekai protagonists too......

[fleet harbor]

That explains the harems

[vivid wraith]

oh the Cheat writeup in Froofs is actually perfect here

private Experience is who you were pre-reincarnation, Hack is your UI power or whatever

.....maybe

[narrow tartan]

I think a good arcset for Isekaii protagonists is Theft, Style, Visage, and Sealed. But that is definitely a cynister take on the genre.

[frank light]

...is it?
i would expect wanderer to be a solid isekai power

its like the portal fantasy adventure power

[fleet harbor]

Wanderer is more a Returner power

[frank light]

i can see the others but like
whats up with theft as an isekai power

[fleet harbor]

I could see it from a narrative black hole perspective but I think Visage has that covered

[narrow tartan]

Yeah Theft might not be the best fit. Maybe Hunter?

[frank light]

hunter isnt a bad choice
though many of the storytelling arcs are strange

at least for an isekai protag

[fleet harbor]

Hunter is I feel a little too specific

To like

Being a hunter

Hunter allows you to ride down your prey, hailing them with arrows, countering their miracles so they are naught but a fleeing animal

It's scary as hell but it's also got a particular vibe

[frank light]

mmmm
I do think it has some other vibes that lend to it in contexts outside of just being a hunter

what with the hole acting off screen thing, being able to declare things as misconceptions or as reality, your appearance, and even its imperial miracle

[fleet harbor]

Aye but it has the specific vibe of like ...

How do I put this

A storybook antagonist

[frank light]

thats true

[narrow tartan]

There was someone on Tumblr who wrote up a set of Heroic arca. Well 5/8 of them

[frank light]

its very storybook esque

fitting since its with the storybook monster and devil splats

Warmains and the Game

[fleet harbor]

You are a Thing From A Fairy Tale

Here to ruin everyone's day

[frank light]

its also a kinda void touched power

[fleet harbor]

Yeah specifically

[fleet harbor]

Hm to go with Style, Visage, and Sealed ...

[narrow tartan]

I once spent a bunch of time trying to figure out Monstrous and contemplated moving the keen sense thing from Monstrous to Hunter to make room.

[fleet harbor]

Actually

What about Monstrous?

[frank light]

monstrous ain't bad

its not necessarily an evil power
its just one of those void touched powers thats a bit funky

solid choice if nothing else

[narrow tartan]

I think one of the biggest and sketchiest things I did was combine the forging power with the minion making power. Which would be roughly based on the Flore 8 power.

[vivid wraith]

Monstrous is like, "you are extremely good at this particular skill" plus its other stuff, right?

[fleet harbor]

You have a particular attribute that is effectively infinite

[frank light]

yeah

[fleet harbor]

You get some "powers out of nightmare"

And you can invoke Sorting Algorithm of Evil

"First you must defeat the four evil kings"

[narrow tartan]

What I remember from the top of my head of the write up thing.

[fleet harbor]

"Okay"

[frank light]

its got i think its own version of Contagion from wyrd, its got the classic Casting and stuff

i think it also lets you have an innocous form

the "forge" thing lets you make objects with a destiny

it also has some cleansing powers? at least in froofs

[fleet harbor]

"And then after the four evil kings, my six heavenly generals!"

[frank light]

a classic silver arc through and through

[fleet harbor]

"Shouldn't the kings come after the generals?"

"Look, you beat the twelve vicious knaves, and we can talk about whether my naming sense is bad"

"..."

[frank light]

my headcanon is that its a "pure" form of a Wyrd.
Cus all the silver arcs share having a Curse of some kind.
its just that for Monstrous that curse doesn't affect them that badly. They get a lot of nice perks without a lot of the weird sickly stuff.

Meanwhile strategists have a poisoned wyrd, taking the form of their Wyrd stat and Eide. But this I suppose does give them a bunch of cool advantages.

[candid compass]

it has healing at high levels, for some reason yeah

[frank light]

just like Wyrd :3

[candid compass]

Monstrous is a lot of seemingly sort of unrelated things, it's a little weird to me

because Inhuman Strength is to me at least its signature ability, but other than that and Keen Sense the rest is kinda more all over the place

[frank light]

thats sometimes the vibe with emptiness arcs tbh.
they each kinda have a weird bag of tricks that imo aren't always the most coherent together but its not too bad

[narrow tartan]

Okay. The miracle ladder I figured out for Monstrous.

Cautioning
Keenness
Stunt
Inconspicuous
Tribulation
Indomitable
Purification
Casting Rite
Forging```

[frank light]

eide is about having an identity but only some powers interact with that. the rest are having the titular strategist strategy and being a trickster.

Wyrd is about being poisoned and destroying the world but..also has altering your own destiny or mind

whats the level 0 miracle?

[magic mason]

maybe an Agony variant?

[narrow tartan]

Wyrd makes sense to me. Because altering your own destiny is an outgrowth of the self care stuff thematically

[candid compass]

I would probably have put Indomitable at 4
to mirror Destruction being at Wyrd 4

[frank light]

my headcanon is that Wyrd is a destiny. Its the closest equivalent to an essence or soul when it comes to the void

[candid compass]

though 5 also works I guess

[frank light]

and since its a destiny, you can twist or alter it

but thats pure speculation on my part

[narrow tartan]

Put Indomitable at 5 because I consider it sort of analogous to Talent.

[frank light]

honestly fair

[narrow tartan]

Okay looking at it again. I made Greater Tribulation the power you use to empower minions.

[frank light]

interesting

[fleet harbor]

I think often when you get that it's because Jenna has a very specific mental image in mind, like with Hunter

In the case of Monstrous I think it's specifically a sort of Dark Lord vibe

[frank light]

yea

[fleet harbor]

You can blight the world

[frank light]

its got all the dark lord antagonist vibes

[magic mason]

though there is the weird thing where sometimes you don't have traditonal indomitable

[fleet harbor]

You get a sorting algorithm of evil

[magic mason]

and you have indomitable mind or something

[narrow tartan]

Or more accurately. Greater Tribulation+Forging is what you use to empower minions.

[fleet harbor]

It's worth noting that in the case of Wildlords, it's specifically mentioned that the super-everything ability that's scariest is not strength or speed

It's item crafting

Which fits well with fey I think

[frank light]

yeah

theyre very very good at makin shit

Like strategists :3

[vivid wraith]

so they ARE sauron

[fleet harbor]

Yes

They can be, at least

[frank light]

yea!

[narrow tartan]

Post in thread 'Trying to make Glitch/Nobilis Traits for the 24 Chuubo Arcs en attendant Nobilis 4e' https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/trying-to-make-glitch-nobilis-traits-for-the-24-chuubo-arcs-en-attendant-nobilis-4e.873599/post-24473069

I don't know how to link single posts.

[fleet harbor]

That does link to a particular post

[narrow tartan]

But that post explains my reasoning on what I see going into Monstrous. Though some things probably need revising

[frank light]

    Terrible idea by the way, don’t share an apartment with Excrucians. Especially don’t share an apartment with multiple types of Excrucians.

chuckling at my own writing :3

[vivid wraith]

very good advice

[magic mason]

The Gamelord who acts as the ultimate third wheel to a Strategist/Warmain couple

[frank light]

oh my fucking god

[magic mason]

They kill him and the next time they go on a date

emerges from the sewer
"Hiya friends! thought you could get rid of me? risky risky!!!!! No hard feelings though, can't stay mad at you :3"

When the screaming parrot monkey pack bonds with you

[frank light]

This is so fucking funny

So fluffy

I was writing a bit of Malonas microfiction for fun y’know.
Terrible implication here

[narrow tartan]

One of the story ideas I had. Was an active strategist. Screwing up a major plan. And needing to find mortal roomates

[magic mason]

OH NO

[frank light]

the ultimate third wheel

[frank light]

oh thats a classic

[fleet harbor]

Would a strategist/warmain couple be weirdly sweet

I think it might be

Especially 'cause warmains are hypercompetent

And strategists are ... not

[patent tiger]

That very depends on the specifics

But I could see ways that it could end up that way

[fleet harbor]

It would be funny if the one warmain in the RAS were there because of their significant other joining

They're just trying to be supportive ;_;

[frank light]

omg

that would be kinda cute

[fleet harbor]

They really wanna temper that old woman over there but they don't want their partner to get upset and have a relapse

Mostly quiet in meetings, doesn't really get what's going on

[patent tiger]

Now I'm imagining a Warmain with Exalted-esque past-life relationship melodrama but from the SOs of people they Tempered in the past

[fleet harbor]

All the other strategists in the RAS are kind of uncomfortable with them

[frank light]

warmains also have a struggle with like, searching for a solution to a problem.
so i can see some fun conflict of interest there where theyre like "i need to keep finding the holy grail to save my homeland but also shes actually doing so well and is doing so much better these days..."

"she's started finding hobbies and sleeps at least 6 hours regularly"

[frank light]

horrifying

[fleet harbor]

"She can occasionally do chores and she's just so happy about that"

... I really want this to be a thing

[frank light]

same tbh

id collaborate on that its a cute idea

its got a very different vibe from the other option which is strategist with a noble SO because even though they purchase ability for the same and have the same vibe of hypercompetency its so different

[patent tiger]

Angels and Rulers are other Ability-for-one options

(I have some Thoughts on the parallels between Strategists and Angels)

[frank light]

thats true but those are way less common SO options

honestly same tho

[patent tiger]

Speak for thyself smh

[frank light]

they have a lot of weird things

[candid compass]

Ruleslord the most overprotective partner

well, I guess you technically aren't human

[frank light]

lmao

[patent tiger]

...Deep Excrucians also buy it at 1

[vivid wraith]

they've had a lot of practice

[fleet harbor]

The Warmain doesn't even ride down anyone who upsets her, terrifying them and giving them many false chances to escape before brutally murdering them anymore

[frank light]

hm

[fleet harbor]

And she keeps assuring them that they're doing so much better too

They're not quite sure they get it but they're happy she's happy

[fleet harbor]

(The folks at the RAS said this was "toxic" and "overprotective")

[frank light]

lmao

[patent tiger]

I don't think the RAS is a source to listen to about toxic relationships

[frank light]

...this is true

[fleet harbor]

The one Deceiver in the room was the one who mentioned it

[patent tiger]

Oh no

[fleet harbor]

That guy just seems really normal, it's weird. The Warmain doesn't trust him. But everybody agreed with him after he said it so.

🤷

[patent tiger]

The Toxic Relationships Plaguing The Friends Of Deceiver Name

...This has made me realize that The Friends Of Dorothy is a valid pState

[fleet harbor]

I think this would be a fun story to tell from the Warmain's perspective

But given Strategists have Flore, you could also like ... do it in a game

The Warmain is a miraculous anchor

[patent tiger]

Yeah, that'd be my go-to

This is my Florigelum, a fucking Warmain

Your argument is invalid

[frank light]

YEAH!!

[fleet harbor]

Like ... Dorothy Gale? XD

[patent tiger]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_of_Dorothy

[fleet harbor]

Okay so I was half right apparently >_>

[candid compass]

Making weird friends and relationships is clearly the main purpose of Flore on Strategists 😛

[fleet harbor]

Undoubtedly

[patent tiger]

This section especially is why The Friends Of Dorothy as a pState tickles my fancy so much

[fleet harbor]

...

[frank light]

The friends of Dorothy
...Are Gay
...Have unique magical powers that come from within
...have visions of an island in the sky

so ru...

halfway through writing this it just got worse

the original bit was gonna be "it makes you gay somehow but it doesnt actually change your preferences."
but then it went downhill

[patent tiger]

I have rage in my heart

Why have you done this

[frank light]

i dont know

it just sorta happened

[magic mason]

Oh right the NCIS investigating for the leader of the secret of soceity of gay sailors

[patent tiger]

We've all been there

[fleet harbor]

Proposal: Dorothy can manipulate the meaning of gay to be either joyous or homosexual, but not both

[patent tiger]

That's a Glitch plotline and you can't convince me otherwise

[frank light]

lmao

[patent tiger]

-are homosexual nand happy

[fleet harbor]

Alright, I must rest but I will return to odd thoughts of Nobilisverse writing in the future

[patent tiger]

Hell yeah

(Hell supports you in this endeavor but thinks you should spend less time taking care of yourself)

[narrow tartan]

Thinking about it Isekai protags should maybe have Flore.

[vivid wraith]

huh yeah that could work

[narrow tartan]

And it helps balance them thematically

[frank light]

Flores always fun

[narrow tartan]

I had a dream in which I was a strategist but I jad misremembered the rules for Lore and claimed something creational as an arcana.

It wasnt a very long dream

[frank light]

Lmao

[restive ridge]

Based

[candid compass]

When you try to do Lore and accidentally do Flore instead

That's how Creation gets you

[narrow tartan]

Nods. My Flore is a random baby bird whose nest was built just outside my window. I feed it things which I found crawling in the darkness.

[fleet harbor]

High Lore/Flore strategist?

Would be fun

[patent tiger]

Strong commander vibe

[narrow tartan]

Hmm. Hermit strategist. Scruffy, lives in the park, and actually has the best grasp on life in the local chapter of the RAS.

[fleet harbor]

I get the feeling it’s someone very torn between Ninuan and Creation

Who really loves both

Not good at living but deeply wise

[narrow tartan]

Only problem is that their aren't enough points to buy everything he wants.

[fleet harbor]

Ability 1, Lore 6, Flore 5 XD

[narrow tartan]

That also works

I once made a character for a frjend because I was obsessing over glitch.

Ended up with a park ranger strategist dying of climate change/weather that nobody else would aknowledge. And also maybe cryptids

Their destruction resembled the acid rain glitch from pokemon ruby and saphire. Which causes all weather conditions to trigger at once

[vivid wraith]

oooooh

[fleet harbor]

That is really good

[candid compass]

(also because I thought of this shitty joke earlier)
it's a reasonable mistake really, they are only one letter apart

[narrow tartan]

TY

[fleet harbor]

It really feels like Jennagame material, if that makes sense

100% literal and also 100% symbolic at the same time

[narrow tartan]

Ah yeah makes sense

[fleet harbor]

Like how Lord Entropy has blood on his hands

[candid compass]

Oseric Liutica
This is an Excrucian Strategist dying of Injustice; he cloaks himself in an armor of righteousness and sanctimony in the Lands Beyond Creation, and when the world and those around him turn against him for his crimes he will only claim it as further proof of Creation's injustice. A vanguard of the Host, a Warleader in the truest sense, he chooses to meet the forces of Creation head-on with blade in hand, flanked by loyal followers both mortal and miraculous alike. With grand rhetoric he will condemn the perfidy and cruelty of Creation, claiming his acts as a kindness to its inhabitants. You must not allow his words to sow doubt in your mind.

Oseric Liutica
This is an Excrucian Strategist dying of Injustice, but little is known as to how this manifests for him. He is a hunter of Powers, unerring and tireless in his pursuit. Appearing suddenly and without warning, emerging from what should be impossible angles and locations, he will pursue his quarry until they are dead or manage to fend him off somehow. But he will always return eventually. The few reports of survivors speak of an armored figure, his arrival heralded by a dark mist. Hope you do not become his target, or flee to a safe haven if you do

made two sorta AU Nobilis style writeups for my Strategist character, reply to the original one that is his current version in our Glitch game
the first one here would be a hypothetical Host version, and the second one where he did not stop hunting Nobles

[vivid wraith]

nice nice NICE

[candid compass]

as I imagine is often the case with Host vs Chancery Strategists, this AU version probably has a much better time of things 😛

[narrow tartan]

There is a Worm snippet with Taylor as a Strategist which I am eternally sad was never continued.