#Jenna Moran Games (Nobilis, Chuubo's, Glitch, WTF)

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vivid wraith
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oooooh

hollow spruce
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Those two are notable mostly for being two of three people we've met in the cast list so far that are labeled as Innocent

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What does that mean? We do not know lmao

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More shenanigans ensue, Gaulmara interacts with the other coworkers and it ties into his long-standing issue of endlessly letting himself get tangled into other people's lives and problems

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And he lets himself associate and be associated with these people; takes some Immersion damage, and takes on a smaller version of the geas of being a True Journalist

frank light
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It was …wild

hollow spruce
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In a concurrent scene, another PC is following up on Another PC's vandalism/arson curse stunt on the Gazette

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Long story

vivid wraith
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uh-huh

hollow spruce
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But she meets the boss, who is off-putting, and said boss gets spotlighted

frank light
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Malonas did that sorrrryyyyy

hollow spruce
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She and Sloane are not... real people. They are people who were, as children, eaten by the Wish

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The wish to let True Journalism Never Die

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They are hollow vessels built to embody that ideal, because otherwise True Journalism does not exist

frank light
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They have souls so at least they can go to heaven

candid compass
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the only thing that was left of the boss was her appearance, and the only thing left of Sloane was his name

frank light
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Or well, are some of the only people ever who could go to heaven

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They are truly truly innocent

hollow spruce
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Yeah that's the thing
The reason they are Innocent is because they have never acted, only been used

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Which, by an Angel's metric in Nobilisverse

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Means they are Innocent

vivid wraith
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wow

patent tiger
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Wellllll

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So

frank light
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They also did a lot of good

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But have no responsibility for the wrong

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So…they are purer than any other soul

patent tiger
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By default, an Angel would respond to a person like that with “great! next time, like that, but do good for the world, too”

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Infants don’t count as Innocent, they haven’t earned it

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By being used like this, these two have

frank light
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I have too much power

hollow spruce
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Yeah this wish is perhaps constructing the only way any soul can actually get into fuckin heaven

vivid wraith
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the theological implications are astounding

frank light
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Oh yeah in Nobilis almost nobody goes to heaven

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The fact that these two can is…impressive

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Good for them tbh

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Good for them

patent tiger
hollow spruce
candid compass
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there is apparently a third Innocent
we haven't met them yet though

patent tiger
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You’ve met them

candid compass
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oh huh

frank light
candid compass
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interesting

frank light
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Damn. And yet they aren’t on the cast list

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…could be Gwen. If she is a rules lord she has holy

patent tiger
frank light
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Oh right right excrucian moment.
Yes it’s fairly wrong

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And tbh glitching in heaven sounds great for angst

patent tiger
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It absolutely is

magic mason
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DYING OF BEAUTY

patent tiger
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Or of good, or of purity, or of angels, or of righteousness, or of hope, there’s a lot of options

hollow spruce
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But yeah the true journalism wish apparently has and will do this for generations

frank light
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Taingern could temporarily possess innocent

vivid wraith
frank light
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AUGH

magic mason
frank light
patent tiger
hollow spruce
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But yeah this is how Ru has metaphorically kicked my ass today

patent tiger
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Nyehehehe

hollow spruce
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Like I want you to know the idea of 'what if an end state for Gaulmara is that he keeps running the Lost Gazette' has crossed my mind before but holy shit

patent tiger
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Now you know exactly what that means

hollow spruce
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And now I gotta figure out what the fuck to do with that

candid compass
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Stilling death for Gaul

hollow spruce
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Immersion, more likely

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Being eaten by a creational wish will do that to you

frank light
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That’s if you let it consume you yeah

hollow spruce
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This is cursed fucking knowledge

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I'm going to be haunted with this the rest of the game

candid compass
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yeah but Gaul doesn't even know yet 😛

hollow spruce
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Yeah!!! And I need to figure out how he would react

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What is his response to the Infinite Journalist Heaven Speedrun Machine

tall jolt
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Do you wanna build a jooournalaiissm

restive ridge
tall jolt
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Angels are dumb

frank light
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They are very bad at understanding nuance

undone flame
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All the dinosaurs are in heaven

frank light
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Unfortunately not
They are still in the cycle of reincarnation
Thanks za’fiel for the meteor strike

restive ridge
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You have not cultivated the endless beauty of Heaven within yourself yet, but they believe in you, they will, in a cold and distant way, help you do it

frank light
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Mhm

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They’ll try to help

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That’s for sure

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It’s honestly what I like about them

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I’d find them unsatisfying if they were a standard “actually heaven are assholes” sorta deal

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I really really like that all angels really do think you can make it. They really truly do think it’s possible for you to meet their absurd impossible expectations

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They believe in making the world a better place

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But they’re inhuman beings that are perfect in themselves and so they have a…skewed perspective

restive ridge
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I think Hell is better said not to understand nuance

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Hell will have a murder victim and their murderer let out their pent-up agression against eachother using wicked weapons of torture on a bedrock of running lava meanwhile ebola is running around happily and then if you ask them if they ever considered if someone could not want to be in Hell they instinctively give you an incredibly accurate speech about your every single flaw before apologising and hugging you and asking you if you want a bloodletting because that always makes them feel better

nocturne epoch
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I think Hell understands nuance but just cannot help but be the way they are

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Light and Dark are the zero nuance team

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or rules and games if you're further ahead

undone flame
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Is Thatcher in hell tho

nocturne epoch
restive ridge
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Mhhmm mhmm

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That is a good interpretation

nocturne epoch
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mind you that love is not uhhhhh

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not great

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or at least 'accompanied by instinctive torture both emotional and physical'

restive ridge
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tho its deliberate that ever Song sucks (I shamefully and quickly throw away my Song of Hell❤️)

nocturne epoch
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yeah lemme grab what I said from my server

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'the songs kinda sit at these divine extremes and all life just kinda has to hang out in the blurry spaces between'

undone flame
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Fuck

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We're all centrists

tall jolt
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song of indep baby

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I'll make the world a better place, but not because Heaven told me to

fleet harbor
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Song of Snakes

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Snakes are the good faction XD

restive ridge
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Snakes are metaphysically centrists

fleet harbor
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I do kind of love how all of the other imperator types are these richly symbolic extremes which are hostile to the reality of human existence

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And then there are these giant snakes who are pretty cool

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“What are they symbols for” I dunno man they’re snakes, they’re having a good time

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Being snakes

fleet harbor
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On a completely different note

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Fable of the Swan is good

grand knot
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Who's the narrator?

restive ridge
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Jasmina

magic mason
grand knot
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It's funny deceivers are assumed to have persona 4

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The game about truth

magic mason
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Jasmine is famously a Theft user

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Her Pstate is “The Story Of Jasmine… however you spell the last names”

fleet harbor
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Jasmine Apocynum

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocynum

Apocynum

Apocynum, commonly known as dogbane or Indian hemp, is a small genus of the flowering plant family Apocynaceae. Its name comes from Ancient Greek ἀπόκυνον apókunon, from ἀπο- apo- "away" and κύων kúōn "dog", referring to dogbane (Cionura erecta), which was used to poison dogs. The genus is native to North America, temperate Asia, and southeaster...

magic mason
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Thanks

magic mason
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I love it when the magister of the dark is a 13 year old enbie JRPG protagonist

vivid wraith
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same

magic mason
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More “heroic” gamelords are fun

patent tiger
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Preparing for your dramatic final confrontation with the hero in your grand lair, only for a precocious child with a sword to walk up and say ||”I think you should kill yourself”||

magic mason
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Gamelord adventuring party where each specializes in 1 of the 4 gamelord stats

grand knot
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Why does jasmine rip out hearts?

patent tiger
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Ripping out hearts is fun and cool and symbolic

fleet harbor
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Removing a person’s heart and then shaping them into something else

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Like it’s a central motif

vivid wraith
fleet harbor
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Honestly like most Jenna things it is a metaphor shaped like itself

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If you’re not quite getting it let me note that people in Fable of the Swan seem to do it to those who love them a lot

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Lord Entropy has blood on his hands

frank light
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It’s her theft thing yeah

fleet harbor
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Jasmine got her heart ripped out by ||her first boyfriend||

frank light
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Yeah that too

fleet harbor
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These are metaphors that are exactly what they sound like

frank light
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||And then he failed to use that to open a gate and broke it a bit in the process||

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||so he came back with the heart like “oops I broke it a bit sorry”||

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So yeah

patent tiger
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lmao wow that’s amazing

frank light
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He was a rider as well I should mention

fleet harbor
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Fable of the Swan is really good

frank light
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I guess this is just how excrucians are

fleet harbor
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Yeah teenage Excrucian

frank light
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The track records of teenage excrucians doesn’t give me high hopes

fleet harbor
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“Rip out the heart of someone who trusts you and turn them into your tool” is just

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There’s no subtext there

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It’s like one of those conversations in fiction where a person is having two conversations at once using the same words for both

magic mason
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This is also just a Theft moment

candid compass
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Yeah

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They are the weystones presumably

grand knot
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What's Theft?

frank light
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Creature of delirium, possessed by both deceivers and mimics

candid compass
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IIRC Jenna was just gonna call the mechanic hearts originally, but she didn't want to overuse the term heart as much

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So it's weystones now

fleet harbor
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Heart poisoning

vivid wraith
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help my game is dying of hearts

candid compass
# grand knot What's Theft?

It's a miraculous stat, possessed by Deceivers and Mimics
It lets you extract a certain experience or quality from people and objects, and then manipulate that thing and what you extracted it from

fleet harbor
patent tiger
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I should rip out more hearts in the Nobilis game I’m in. One of my characters’ significant backstory moments involved her ripping out someone’s heart.

frank light
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Yeah

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We at least had a solid amount of heart imagery with the uh…other events

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In glitch

patent tiger
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That did also happen, yes. Karen dumped a black hole into the heart of her crush.

vivid wraith
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amazing

frank light
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They also earlier ripped out their heart for a sword

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But yes I did put a black hole in there and felt really really bad about it

patent tiger
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I assure you, they also felt really bad.

frank light
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I FIGURED

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I’m glad I removed it but uh

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Yeah

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that sucked

vivid wraith
frank light
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Yeah

fleet harbor
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Black holes are the beating hearts of the universe tho :(

frank light
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That’s true but they shorten the lives of stars if they’re inside of them. Though quasi stars don’t form anymore.

Nowadays they usually extend lifespans but also uhhhh

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The metaphor gets lost when you’re hurting people ;-;

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Being a strategist sucks

fleet harbor
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Well actually to be fair they’re more like the bones of the universe

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They are the organizing principle

restive ridge
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Like Actuals

frank light
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I’ll check with the mimic of black holes or whatever

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Point is yeah teenage excrucians have a terrible track record with romance

fleet harbor
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So do all other Excrucians :D

frank light
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THIS DOESNT GIVE ME ANY HIGHER HOPES

fleet harbor
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really lord entropy is watching out for nobles with the windflower law, it never goes well for miraculous beings

frank light
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;-;

patent tiger
# fleet harbor ~~really lord entropy is watching out for nobles with the windflower law, it nev...

Lord Entropy has consistently recognized bad patterns and dangerous impulses in people. If the Nobilis were free to hurt whoever they want without provocation, everything would be terrible, because Nobles are often jerks and/or impulsive. If everyone was falling in love all the time, look at how terribly that goes, every single time.

Unfortunately, “just make it illegal” is not a solution.

frank light
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Wow what a swell guy with good intentions but poor execution

fleet harbor
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I think if you told LE that he had good intentions he might take it as an insult

frank light
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Yeah

grand knot
frank light
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Wah?

vivid wraith
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it's an utena thing

frank light
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Ah I see

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They are canonically a magical girls fan

grand knot
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Utena takes a special sword from the chest of Anthy, the rose bride

rose crescent
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That came off a bit more mean-spirited than I intended

grand knot
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Hmm?

fleet harbor
magic mason
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Theft also has some really weird powers

Like Granting People Catharsis
Or making any miracle traumatic

tall jolt
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Lord Entropy is poo pee

fleet harbor
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Positive ID on a Deceiver

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Or possibly a wildlord

frank light
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Ooooo yeah

fleet harbor
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Her deal is that she uses her music to release a person’s suppressed innermost desires

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Often to catastrophic results but

vivid wraith
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I should try that

frank light
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Ah

fleet harbor
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I don’t think she’s a game lord because she doesn’t want you to die

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That’s incidental

restive ridge
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Arturia does dress like a Deceiver

patent tiger
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We should all aspire to dress like Deceivers

restive ridge
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(In my brain notes I also have the Power of Seas as Skadi for like my games)

fleet harbor
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(What about ishar-mla)

restive ridge
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(Personal Bias)

hollow spruce
fleet harbor
hollow spruce
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I think it's immensely funny that gaulmara could do this with I think a greater spherecraft

frank light
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Fuck yeah

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Inchoate babeyyy

fleet harbor
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The Music of Arturia Virtuosa:
… is free from all inhibitions
… inevitably leads to catastrophe
… reveals the inner truth of things
… goes unnoticed by those who would oppose it
… protects Arturia

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I think that’s an appropriately scary pstate

restive ridge
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Yeah thats good

acoustic dagger
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It looks like AK

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Is it a new AK op

restive ridge
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No

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Old AK operator

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Or well, already in before I stopped playing

fleet harbor
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She’s been around as a character

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But her English release as an op was today

restive ridge
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????

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Im being gaslighted

fleet harbor
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Virtuosa released three hours ago

grand knot
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No, it was three years ago

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You had an accident

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*Removes this from the lies of WaxMask*

grand knot
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The image of Lain

  • Burrows into your mind
  • Inspires adoration
  • Spreads throughout communication.
  • Is completely trusted
grand knot
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Hmm, can a deceiver keep accidentally using their powers?

magic mason
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could be their Persona Failing or something

frank light
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Totally possible

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Maybe it’s a wound or geas or some failing of theirs yeah

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Depends on which powers you mean

obsidian dagger
# fleet harbor Snakes are the good faction XD

I want you to know: I played Fallen London a while back, and it's still in the depths of my mind, and so seeing "Snakes are the good guy faction" immediately brought me back to some old emotions even though I don't entirely disagree.

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In Fallen London, the snakes are... uh... I guess somewhere between Strategists and Actuals, conceptually? They don't exist and they'd really like to. And sometimes they accomplish this by possessing people.

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I am of course immensely oversimplifying things. (For instance, they live in the realm of dreams and behind mirrors, because dreams and reflections aren't real, and that's where they live. And part of the reason why they're Like That is due to losing an ancient war against cats.)

frank light
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Shed Scales - You make your size ambiguous. You are a grand titan that can fit in a doorway, and then pick up the empire state building wielding it as a spear in the same scene.
...Sorta, the aftermat sorta becomes phantasmagoric. But only sorta. If everything makes logical sense by the end of it, it usually sticks around, but the more outlandish the less of a chance it keeps.
You usually take on some form of abstract kaiju form in this state, like a giant snake, or mountain range, or storm.

(Greater Misdirection) - 12
(Action) - 1
(self only) - 5
(Comprehensive) - 1
(Uncommon) + 1
6cp
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basically this is shapeshifting but swapping out the utility of the various forms and instead picking "become ambigiously large"

For the kaiju strategist on the go

obsidian dagger
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It took me until literally right now to get the pun in "shed scales".

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I also had to remind myself the The Incomparable Leonardo de Montreal! does not, in fact, have Creature of the Light. I can just distinctly imagine an animated thing where you suddenly hear him say "so naïve!" and then, click! the lights go off, save for a well-placed spotlight or two.

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Even if he wasn't in the scene before.

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I was going to say "it's a shame there isn't a canonical Creature of the Light with the appropriate personality for that kind of thing" and then I realized I was probably misinterpreting Principal Entropy II.

frank light
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also yeah
mimics dont got holy smh 😔

but they have tricks :3

candid compass
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Wounded also lets you show up, just in a slightly different way

frank light
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this is true

obsidian dagger
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Yeah, but there's not a spotlight. I'm going to be honest and say the very specific image in my head is Mako Mankanshoku. But starting with the line "So naïve!"

frank light
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It’s great

candid compass
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You can probably kludge together a discount Well Lit with Eide somehow 😛

frank light
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I’m making a bespoke mimic oc actually, serpent mimic, so this is the sorta thing I gotta think about

candid compass
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Greater Costumery maybe?

frank light
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Stheno 
(Luthe[Secret] - Dominion's Slaughter)

Serpent[Mimic] of Smiles, Plastic, Arceuthobium

Ability - 0
Eide - 2
Wounded - 0
Theft - 3
Style - 4

Durant - 1cp
Immutable - 1cp
Kaiju Form - 5cp

This bitch is NOT immortal

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Plausibly greater costumery yeah

candid compass
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Probably has to be a gift

frank light
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If you’re an Angel mimic it might be part of your Eide

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By default

candid compass
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Unless your Eide is someone who would have Holy, yeah

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Which is probably likely in the case you'd need it

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Though a gift might still be cheaper

obsidian dagger
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I just can't look at Mako Mankanshoku and see Immortal, but on the other hand, she sure does have the ability to summon a literal spotlight!

frank light
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Lmao

obsidian dagger
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But. Actually, that's probably an argument against it. Creatures of the Light have a tendency of being Well-Lit by the environment in general, not darkening the stage and conjuring a literal Unreal spotlight as much.

candid compass
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You can also do that, but yeah

frank light
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Hell even this god damn mimic doesn’t even have the full immortal trait. Just barely enough features to pass as immortal and endure punishment

candid compass
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You will just be illuminated by a random beam of light from the heavens, absent any fitting environmental lighting

frank light
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Close enough!

obsidian dagger
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Well Lit does allow for an altered form:

However, if you like, you can outright declare that there’s:

a ray of sunlight to strike you full-on, even at night;
a stage light out of nowhere;
a nimbus of mundane or arcane light around you; or
a blinding glare behind you
frank light
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this is true

obsidian dagger
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but the fact still remains that this isn't Unreal. It's the world wanting to give you a spotlight, not just you being able to barge in and declare "no, I'm well-lit now!"

frank light
obsidian dagger
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And whatever's going on in the Mako Mankanshoku Momements™️, they're pretty clearly Unreal.

nocturne epoch
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objection, mako moments are diagetic

obsidian dagger
nocturne epoch
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yes

frank light
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Smiles aren’t…supposed to be like this

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There may have been some other facial expressions that got deleted

nocturne epoch
frank light
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Or maybe smiles are just disharmonious on their own

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Oh dwarf mistletoe is also not supposed to be like that

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It’s not like mimic estates are easy to predict

obsidian dagger
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...I wish to better understand Mimics.

frank light
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I’ll pull out a critical section from Glitch on them

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Noticeably, No immortal stats
Only frantic and sickly

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The blasphemy in their hearts twists their estates into something in disharmony with creation or something corrosive

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They’re uh…as you can imagine not having a great time

obsidian dagger
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What are they as people?

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but, yeah, inherently disharmonious with reality.

frank light
vivid wraith
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they are, as the kids say, "just like me fr"

frank light
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The blasphemy inside them is the core of their wounded stat.
And likely also the core of their Agony in Eide

So they’re constantly tormented by a twisting knot of blasphemy in their hearts and desperately trying to make sure nobody sees that they aren’t supposed to be here

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They likely vary as people

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It’s…possible Ananda is a Mimic actually.

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His name is a completely valid Ninuanni name with zero mutations

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Translating to “remnant of the daring”

vivid wraith
frank light
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And his estates are…a bit wacky

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To the point where I’d totally believe it were he a mimic

vivid wraith
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what do you mean the Third Age is a mimic estate

frank light
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Fourth age actually

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Attaris is third age

vivid wraith
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Fourth, right

frank light
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So the age after this one is a mimic. Which is spookier

vivid wraith
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Sure yeah okay i can see it yeah

frank light
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Or plausibly a mimic

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Same with infinity and murder

obsidian dagger
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I mean, it hasn't happened yet, so it definitionally isn't real.

vivid wraith
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not that kind of not real

obsidian dagger
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True.

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I'm still thinking about Fallen London Snakes, I think, which are that kind of not real. (And also the kind of not real which separates "the events which occurred before this" from "history". And arguably the exact same kind of not real as "events which happened in the past".)

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But, on the whole, they're probably closer to... Wild? Or maybe Actuals? (I was going to ask if there was any faction who wanted to be more real, and like Creation enough to want to be more part of it, but that's... what Actuals are.)

frank light
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Yeah

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Though I could see factions of wildlords or true gods being into that

obsidian dagger
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Does anyone here know about Fallen London lore enough to opine on whether the Fingerkings would be more like Actuals or Wildlords?

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Also pictured: a very specific Fingerking-related thing.

Eurghh.PNG
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...this is making me want to get back into Fallen London, almost. And I've been away for a while.

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(for reference! that's show on the text for obtaining the Tatterskin Shawl, in a rather gruesome but not-really-described procress where ||you shed your own skin to appease/cement an alliance with the Fingerkings. You get the following text, and either enough Wounds to kill you instantly, or almost kill you.|| Either way, the implications aren't great.)

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It's also maybe vaguely possible that you're literally shedding your ability to lie? Or metaphorically shedding your pretentions? Or something? All I know is that after it's done, you have a shawl made of your own skin which makes you better at the decieving-people-without-lying stat.

fleet harbor
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Can’t believe my HG is making me confront the fundamental metaphysical questions of the Not

restive ridge
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One of us decided to be the power of Void

fleet harbor
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Lol

fleet harbor
restive ridge
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Abhorrent weapons are a bad time kids

hollow spruce
fleet harbor
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“There are two voids inside of you. One precedes all acts of creation and is the all-giving undefined principle. The other is self-justifying and exists without judgment for its own sake. They are essentially irreconcilable I am going to make them kiss.”

frank light
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Both of them are gay

fleet harbor
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One is ace and one is pan

hollow spruce
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you could make a show out of this

patent tiger
fleet harbor
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Or a tabletop game! thinkaboutit

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I think by default I would go for not!void as ace and creational!void as pan

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But really I could go either way

patent tiger
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That's what I'd say by default, too, I think

wheat cobalt
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ninuan is asexual and panromantic, creational void is aromantic and pansexual

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this is my take

fleet harbor
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XD

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Good take

restive ridge
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Creational Void is one dirty, dirty slut

frank light
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Sorry what

magic mason
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Yeah
makes sense

hollow spruce
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we just had player conflict in the glitch game, so that's rad

patent tiger
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Character conflict. Player conflict would be more difficult to resolve

patent tiger
wheat cobalt
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romance is correlative, sex is causative

frank light
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Sure

restive ridge
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So true

hollow spruce
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But yeah two PCs just yelled at each other a lot for being dickheads

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some good stuff

fleet harbor
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My character hit Ru’s character with an abhorrent weapon in their first scene together

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(It was for her own good)

hollow spruce
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my friend the very mortal insane woman with a sword tried to attack the other PC who was threatening me
she did not accomplish anything with this because his ass is Durant

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she still plots to ruin his life somehow

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this is also one of my journalism coworkers

patent tiger
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She's, like

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She's a WoD Hunter who stumbled into a campaign too high-power for her to be a factor

restive ridge
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Let her cook

patent tiger
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But that's still the framework she interacts with the world with

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It's very fun

hollow spruce
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And I'm going to go beat up a WoD mage with her later

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who is Also severely below my power level

frank light
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She deserves a Bond tbh

restive ridge
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Greater Infusion

frank light
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Like having a bond might actually make her have good power levels

hollow spruce
frank light
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Still can’t oppose miracles but she can stunt

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True!!

hollow spruce
restive ridge
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Thats exactly why someone should do it

patent tiger
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I think Astel could do funny things with the channeled power of a horrid Not-beast

frank light
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Tbh the evening chapter would be the most natural time to get a bond that’s only hers and hers alone

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However

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Infusion would be funny

tall jolt
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Hello chat.

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Define the Power of Definition

vivid wraith
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...creates meaning
...restricts potential
...provokes arguments
...contains lists of properties

tall jolt
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LUL

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That last one is well done

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big clap

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I wonder how you could abuse that in play

patent tiger
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Target your own Estate and remove that property, just to see what happens

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Easy Actual-summoning ritual

frank light
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Meaning and Existence are estates and those are probably incredibly silly

fleet harbor
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I would add: ...is always inadequate

vivid wraith
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could toss in "allows communication" if you want

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Oh yeah that one's good

restive ridge
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Creational joke I really like- Estate of [smaller subset of A] exists, but the Estate of [A] does not, and anything A is actually just a dilluted form of A

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All swords are actually Rapiers! All birds are just different forms of Dodos! There is no romance just Chas...-

frank light
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WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

vivid wraith
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imagine your Imperator calls you to defend an Estate being Flower Rite'd and the estate is "racism"

fleet harbor
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I feel like one of the implicit rules of Nobilis is that no you are not allowed to play the Power of Racism

reef perch
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nothing precludes making a deal with the warhost to let them flower-rite racism

patent tiger
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Well it's illegal

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And, even if the Power of Racism is a good person, they also die if Racism does, so, they're probably also in the way

tall jolt
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DENTAL PLAN

frank light
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Stheno 
(Luthe[Secret] - Dominion's Slaughter)

Serpent[Mimic] of Smiles, Plastic, Arceuthobium

Ability - 0
Eide - 2(Eide - Aaron’s Serpent. Technique - being a really big snake)
Wounded - 0
Theft - 3
Style - 4

Immutable - 1cp
Kaiju Form - 5cp

Bond - “There’s something off about my eyes” technique - gorgon’s stare.

Smiles…

…are full of teeth(3)
…express a wide variety of emotions(1)
…are contagious(1)
…hide pain(1)
…hide the truth(1)

Plastic...

…is immortal(2)
…is versatile(1)
…is sterile(1)
…is malleable(2)
…is disposable(1)

Arceuthobium...

…emanates vitality(1)
…heals wounds(1)
…are lethal(5)
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oh jesus the way that formats is not great

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uhhh
made some tweaks to my lil mimic

patent tiger
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Love to shoot people with a beam that makes them contagious and full of teeth

frank light
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yeah lmao

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tbh since this is a mimic they would be embodying these through Style and Theft

so they could Steal your smile

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and use it for an imperial miracle probably

tall jolt
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Teeth
...Are Inside you
...Grows painfully

patent tiger
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Oh, I was just thinking the long-suffering Noble thereof

frank light
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oh lmao

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this poor mimic being pressured into making nobles because thats what youre supposed to do your supposed to make some nobles and meditate in the drowning deeps for the war dont you know

hollow spruce
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these are all, hilariously, songs that can and will canonically play in the game, because he is dying of Rhythm

obsidian dagger
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And I feel like this would be a really interesting philosophical debate which could not be played out at a table under any circumstances.

vivid wraith
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fanfic time!

obsidian dagger
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Yeah, maybe, although I know the most about the Chuubo's corner of stuff and it really doesn't belong there.

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The closest and most relevant thing there is the various musings re: the first failed attempts at making Typhon into a teacher (which later resolved into Caesar Salad Psalida Caesar as the default form of the Writhing Teacher). About how, yes, if you had less evil in the world, it might in some sense be a better world... but it'd also be fake. It'd be hollow.

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I'm also thinking about the very specific "snap fingers, spotlights on" thing I was envisioning, and... Well-Lit from Creature of the Light can explicitly summon a spotlight on you, but it won't darken the area around you, and it isn't Unreal. What I'm thinking about is probably Sickly... actually, maybe Sickly Orange rather than Sickly Red? It's not just pulling a narrative around you like a cloak, but imposing it onto those around you.

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Also, I really hope it's appropriate to "cheat" the whole "have an appropriate place to Appear from as a Creature of the Light" restriction via saying you showed up while invisible via a non-miraculous Skill, and then just turned that off... because I'm like 99% sure that's what Marceline from Adventure Time does. (That, and using Miraculous Will to power her separate Demon Magic and Superior Vampire skills, the latter of which might also be a Magic skill instead?)

magic mason
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I made some Visage/Become Somebody sets

The Nihilist

  • Whenever I am killed I return to life on June 26th, 2019.
  • I have already experienced this thousands of times, and therefore know what will happen next.
  • I have accumulated lifetimes of knowledge.
    FAILING: apathy

The Plague

  • I spread via eye contact.
  • Animals infected with me deform into abominations.
  • I evolve to overcome measures meant to defeat me.
    FAILING: Toxic

The King Of Monsters

  • I am a massive and terrible beast.
  • Millions of lesser monsters worship me as a god.
  • I cannot be stopped.
    FAILING: Starving

The Buried Kingdom

  • I am full of magical treasures and relics
  • I was made by aliens, probably, or maybe it was like Egyptian gods depends on who you ask
  • I call people to adventure
    FAILING: Being Forgotten

The Ascended Mage

  • I am immortal
  • I have mastered the mystical arts
  • I claim the estates of the Magister Of The Wild Pokfrim as my own.
    FAILING: Hubris

The Shadow Of [PC NAME]

  • I hold great sway among the spirits of [PC NAME’S ESTATE]
  • I can command the forces of [PC NAME’S ESTATE], and warp it to my twisted reflection.
  • I am [PC NAME]
    FAILING: Imposter
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Keep in mind some more specific stuff for each of these are likely covered by other stats rather than visage part

These are supposed to be villans for hypothetical 4E nobles, though there is nothing stopping you from using this with become somebody Chuubos

Besides a lot of these being really weird as PCs

magic mason
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Honestly The Nihilist seems like a good Far Roofs guy

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So does the ascended mage

fleet harbor
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Cryptids …
… are mysterious and monstrous of form (2)
… combine the features of different creatures (1)
… appear to predict disaster (1)
… inspire fascination (1)
… have more plausible explanations (2)

tall jolt
fleet harbor
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Slender Man is from the Estate of Creepypasta, which is in a turf war with the Estate of Cryptids

tall jolt
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XD

frank light
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I would not say that motherfucker is a cryptid

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Based on my knowledge of cryptids and how they’re different from other horror stories

magic mason
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Slenderman doesn’t feel animal enough to be a Cryptid

frank light
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Much closer to spirit or monster dynamics rather than creature

rose crescent
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Cryptid is like, a kind of...

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I dunno

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Grittier vibe?

fleet harbor
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A cryptid is folkloric

frank light
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I don’t know if the definition has shifted but last I checked yeah cryptid is folkloric but also attempts to describe like “this could be a real hidden creature that’s just been secretly eating meat and living in the woods”

rose crescent
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Like, a cryptid is the kind of thing that the old lady warns you to stay indoors at night for, Slenderman is a 14 year old trying to spook you?

frank light
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Like Bigfoot or nessy or mothman. Supernatural elements may appear but like…y’know it’s a creature

rose crescent
frank light
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Slender man, at least in stories about him, is more spiritual/leans into aspects of horror that are ignorant of biology entirely.
That is not a creature in the woods who needs to eat food.

grand knot
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Man, been so long since slenderman's peak

magic mason
restive ridge
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Heist movie where the target is a huge spirit, the crew is a Familia and they are doing it in the name of their True God imperator

magic mason
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What are they stealing

restive ridge
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the huge spirit

fleet harbor
#

This makes me think about a Power of Films who makes movies about the miraculous world just for their colleagues

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… and then one of those films gets into the Prosaic and starts causing Dementia Animi

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On a massive scale

restive ridge
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The threat of completely shattering the Prosaic is always a juicy plot point in my head

patent tiger
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iirc it’s the body of an Imperator, so - Excrucian attack that has literally ripped holes in that body, go deal with the fallout while they heal

winged smelt
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I'm not sure if a movie about the Border Mythic would necessarily cause Dementia Animi, as it could easily be rationalized as a fictional world

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Otherwise Nobilis 3e itself would cause Dementia Animi

patent tiger
vivid wraith
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it does a little

winged smelt
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I assure you that I am perfectly sane

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Now let us discuss Ninuan as the Wilderness defined by the City /s

frank light
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But fair enough

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Oh nope it’s an imperator

vivid wraith
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are there any more worlds made from the bodies of greater beings I need to know about
i remember the Cup of Flame being one too

frank light
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Cup of flame is said to be the corpse of a void being in legend

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So there’s ambiguity there

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But the sun and moon are gods i believe

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The phone lines are a true god as well I think

vivid wraith
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fun!

patent tiger
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There could be a lot of those

restive ridge
frank light
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The world ash itself I think is alive as well

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But it is so large that it doesn’t really come up in play

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Very few things could ever get the tree’s attention

patent tiger
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This is the bespoke world Earth*, where the body of an Imperator produces manifestations that replicate the laws of Lord Entropy and the surrounding context of dementia animi, despite being nowhere near it and having some stark differences when you look closely

magic mason
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You can nettle right it

patent tiger
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Quite a coincidence, that

patent tiger
magic mason
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Do you think destroying a world gives you a bunch of cost on a nettle rite

frank light
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Plausibly

patent tiger
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I don't think the Ash would be stunned by a world being destroyed

frank light
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Considering flower and welken rites can nettle the ash

patent tiger
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Maybe it was the first time it happened

vivid wraith
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add time travel, got it

patent tiger
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But you have to shock the victim of a Nettle Rite. Fundamentally overwhelm them, defeat them in a way they can't accept or process

magic mason
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Flower and Welken let you nettle the ash

frank light
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Oh it’s repeatable. I would argue that if a welken rite is enough valid trigger for a nettle rite destroying an entire world is also a valid trigger for a nettle rite

fleet harbor
patent tiger
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(No they can't, this is also a Creational conceit, and thus, a lie)

fleet harbor
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Now you’re getting it

magic mason
#

But they ash itself is creational

frank light
magic mason
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Meaning it is internally true

magic mason
#

Rather than the ash

frank light
#

Flower rites actually nettle the relevant power

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Yeah

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Though the welken rite nettles the world

magic mason
#

So presumably ripping an entire world off the ash would let you nettle it

frank light
#

3-10 cost recovery Babey.
This is profit

patent tiger
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A welken-rite nettling the world makes sense to me, since it's fundamentally, to the wold, a surprise

magic mason
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The secret 100 cost nettle right to transfer cost to the ash

patent tiger
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It's something it didn't go "yeah that's happening", something was of the world, but then, actually, it was being betrayed all this time

frank light
#

Hmmmm

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I don’t know if the only element is surprise though. Surprise is part of it but it’s also shock and horror.

We I guess don’t know the psychology of the world ash but destroying an entire world feels unnatural enough to provoke something like that. Maybe 5-15 points of cost

patent tiger
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The thing with the Nettle Rite, to my understanding of it, is that it's contingent on the relationship to the target, and the events that let it happen. "Just hit something really hard" doesn't let you do it, even if that does defeat them

frank light
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Destroying a world is hard and horrific

patent tiger
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Unless they're the type of being where being hit really hard takes them out of what they can, emotionally, handle

frank light
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So we gotta find out how much of a wuss the ash is got it

patent tiger
#

Exactly

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And, really, that line of thinking is why I stick to this interpretation

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It yields "I should learn my opponent's emotional vulnerabilities to intentionally distress and overwhelm them"

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Which is, I think, both the idea and hilarious to say

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"Ooh, hold on, I should be tactical and cost-effective about this. Maybe if I murder their wife..."

frank light
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That’s fair.
I would still argue that the destruction of an entire world is horrific enough to provoke that reaction from the world tree.

Since destroying worlds is pretty hard even if they aren’t earth, it probably isn’t something you can reasonably exploit

fleet harbor
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It’s right there in the name, innit?

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You’re nettling them

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You’re annoying them and using the symbolic connection of the annoyance to send your own hurt into them

undone flame
frank light
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Lmao

magic mason
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LOL

vivid wraith
frank light
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Yeah

nocturne epoch
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Elaine under the Sight is beauty gone wrong.

Flowers bloom all around her feet, leaning towards her only to be crushed thoughtlessly beneath her sole. Insects flock to rest upon her skin buzzing their one-sided adoration, and creeping vines grow across her brow in a circlet of green, digging their thorns into her scalp until the blood runs down into her eyes. The air itself clings and drags at her, Sylphs running their fingers of breath along her arms to stay her passing. Everything in the world loves Elaine, and so she cannot love it back, cannot break the geas upon her heart to reciprocate. Worse still, what loves her most is that loved least- those who would be rejected by all, those denied the beauty of true, mutual love.

Instead there is Elaine. The world's consolation prize, whose supporters love her and despise all else. The clearing all around is filled with rank upon rank of spirits- human souls who cannot bear to depart her presence. They say that even death cannot sever the bonds of love, but these are not the red string of fate. They are anchor-chains, dragging her forever down. Those closest to her are vibrant, and move like watercolors, dappled and fluid. Those closer away become fainter, less cohesive, their brushwork more sloppy, their motions jerky and spasmodic. Any soul whose eyes David meets is utterly filled with hate for him, for his arrogance in breathing the same air as their goddess, for his touch upon her, for the soft smile she gives him and not them, never them.

Were the two of them to kiss, David is suddenly very sure, the ghosts here would tear him limb from limb.

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the Power of Unrequited Love, Elaine. (In love with David, Power of Heroism, one of our familia)

restive ridge
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Hahahhaha yes

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:Sickos:

magic mason
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Extropic initiative
Emergent AI deceiver

Experiences “an ego”
Unique Cheat: Omniscience
Pstate: The Future of The Extropic Initative

  • Invades
  • is full of arcane and deadly machines
  • is ruled by the extropic initiative
patent tiger
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Removing the property [invades] from heaven, as a prank

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All the angels sigh, say "damn, ya got me", and go home

magic mason
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The estate of Right

  • Is Always Correct
  • Is Always Good
  • Can be used to justify anything

Rare estate for angels and mimics

tall jolt
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  • Isn't left
patent tiger
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Taking Self-Evidence as an Estate, defining [underpins the Excrucian worldview] as a property, and then making all of your enemies ideologically reliant on grapes

obsidian dagger
#

Do new estates ever appear (as new concepts or discoveries are made)?

patent tiger
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They do, yeah

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Sometimes they're created, sometimes they're found

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New Imperators, too

obsidian dagger
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Here are two interesting questions:

  • Did a Power of Exoplanets exist before human beings had the ability to detect them at all?
  • Did a Power of Bacteria exist before humans had developed germ theory (but did frequently interact with bacteria in various ways, albeit without knowing)?
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What about discredited scientific theories, like the luminous aether?

frank light
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Probably

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Estates have been known to exist before things have been invented

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At least by humans

vivid wraith
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The Prosaic World is about as old as the K-T extinction event, so I wouldn't expect the estate list to be dependent on human knowledge

patent tiger
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It's one of those things where there's a few different interpretations of how things may have gone

frank light
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While some estates are actually created by human invention I believe

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Like the estates of some ruleslords

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Or gamelord Estates being made from dark human thoughts

obsidian dagger
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Oh, here's a question: are there extant powers of things human beings have not yet invented/discovered, but will in the future?

patent tiger
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Can be!

frank light
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But in the case of, say, a true god, it might just be born through imperator sex

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Oh yeah there are some things that exist but haven’t been invented yet

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Such as mind recording technology

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Though that may have been because it at one point did exist but that timeline of history was sold to the Warhost

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But yeah there’s science that hasn’t been invented yet

obsidian dagger
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I just thought of a really interesting idea: a Noble, or probably Imperator, of faster-than-light travel ||who is in fact a Mimic, which is why the concept is categorically a fictional conceit rather than a thing that is actually theoretically possible||.

frank light
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Possible

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Some things also may not have an estate at all but in fact are made from intersections between estates

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It’s possible there is no estate of pizza rolls but pizza and snack food had an intersection

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Or maybe pizza rolls are the only estate there and snack food/pizza are just extensions of it

obsidian dagger
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Imperators have different but connected Domains, right? Or do they have a scattershot of things which do not appear connected on a Prosaic level?

vivid wraith
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Pizza rolls are the only estate, Ananda told me this

patent tiger
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It's broad enough to "every idea the players come up with for a Noble are, coincidentally, all composed on one Imperator"

frank light
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They can have a scattershot of things. And some need not even be present on earth.

The sun for example is a single object in the sky and quite far away from earth.

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Yeah pretty much

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Ananda is infinity murder and fourth age

Meanwhile Sennacherib is perception and vapor

patent tiger
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Generally speaking, the approach I do is to have an eclectic list of Estates, and derive a connection post-hoc

frank light
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The connection is obviously something us mere mortals don’t comprehend or something

patent tiger
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I've got an Imperator of Stars, Geometry, and Hope in my Glitch game, and I have built some thematic connections between those Estates, but I didn't start from there

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I started from making the list

candid compass
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still very curious what the last estate of Al and Laife's Imperator is

frank light
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…stability?

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:3

patent tiger
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Good question!

magic mason
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I wonder if angels/fallen fuck or if they just crawl out of the deep mythic and retcon themselves into the history of heaven

candid compass
patent tiger
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It's not a retcon, you just weren't paying close enough attention

frank light
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Or maybe they chose to be the children of some other angel or smthin

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Or say they’re the child of a serpent and then don’t explain how that works

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It’s not like e2 explained how his existence worked

obsidian dagger
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I'm imagining someone whose Estates are:

  • History (as in, the academic field of study and/or our post hoc descriptions of it, not the actual past itself)
  • Generational knowledge/studies/family history (something along those lines; I don't know how to phrase it)
  • ...something related to the records which we in the present leave for those in the future?
    The original idea was just history-as-commonly-concieved, but somehow it drifted into "various ways of considering the past" and maybe even "various different interpretations of history". There's also a whole big Thing here about the properties of History... like, do you include ...focuses on the actions of pivotal individuals, or not, because Great Man History is fairly discredited? Or do you say that the reason why History ...is written by the victors and ...focuses on pivotal individuals and ...is viewed through a modern lens is because it's a Mimic who's interfered with the true ability to understand the past and replaced it with a post hoc mess?
frank light
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Im not convinced it wasn’t just entropy and Attaris staring at eachother in a room for 3 hours and then suddenly a tree grew and a baby was on one of its branches

patent tiger
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Another thing to consider is that Estate properties are influenced by the particular Noble who wields them

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I believe it's been established that, when an Estate gets a new Noble, the world relating to that Estate also shifts based on it

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Meaning, the metacausality could be different! [Great man theory is discredited] is an event that happened when the last Power of History died

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For instance

frank light
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Nobles can also make some significant edits to the contexts of their estates

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And plausibly edit their properties closer to their interpretation of its symbolic meaning

magic mason
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Idea for a form of new imperator creation

Big dramatic rituals being done by an imperator to codify some estates and make a law being about it

Big thing here is its picking already existing things and naming them, rather than leading to new things appearing wholesale

frank light
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Possibly

magic mason
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This isn’t an idea of how it is, this is just a fun idea I am throwing out for something an imperator could do

restive ridge
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Me working my daily shift in the Game Lord factory by coming with more and more disgusting atrocities and weapons of war

magic mason
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😌

candid compass
obsidian dagger
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I just had... I don't know if I can or should call it a very good idea, but it's definitely very much an idea. Gimme a moment.

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(by which I mean more than a moment.)

patent tiger
restive ridge
obsidian dagger
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wait. Crap. I was going to make a Child of the Ash, but I think I want something Black, not Green. Probably a Prophet.

frank light
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There’s always primordial

obsidian dagger
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I was thinking about that, too. ...what stats do Ruleslords have, out of curiosity?

patent tiger
frank light
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Holy/creature of light, gardener/keeper of gardens, deepness/I think it’s called awakening, and architect/impresario

patent tiger
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They're kinda Angel-coded, which is interesting

obsidian dagger
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Yeah, Deepness sounds like Awakening.

restive ridge
obsidian dagger
patent tiger
frank light
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Yup

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Rules lords are light lords

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It’s just a name change

patent tiger
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They're the same thing

obsidian dagger
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Ohhhhhhhh alright. That clears a lot of stuff up, actually.

restive ridge
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Swappin out the "magical girl" and "lore nerd" for "gaslighting manipulator" and "on a lower lvl of reality"

frank light
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Angels are magical girls it’s true

patent tiger
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Crushed and despondent to learn that being associated with humanity means you're no longer a magical girl

frank light
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Truly

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Terrible tbh

magic mason
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Interestingly Lords of Rule are the one imperator with no estate related powers

obsidian dagger
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Chosen One is really interesting, because it's for Magical Girls in large part, but I don't think it's what makes them a Magical Girl so much as it is what lets them do the things Magical Girls do?

magic mason
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Besides maybe their rituals with Holy/Creature Of Light???

restive ridge
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Gardener probaly lets them do with their Estate/ is based on their estate idk

frank light
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They have some vague estate connected stuff but nothing as contingent on it

obsidian dagger
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Arguably Gardener/Keeper of Gardens? That doesn't let them manifest their domain, just shape it.

magic mason
frank light
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Well it lets them make gardens but that’s fairly tangential to their estates.

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Closest thing I can think of is deepness and it’s general arc miracles

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So they might have some powers and traits and features based on their estates

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It’s fairly interesting compared to other imperators

magic mason
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Rules Lord game looks like mage
Game lord game is about a bunch of superpowered teenagers on a portal fantasy adventure

obsidian dagger
vivid wraith
frank light
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Well that’s all golden arcs

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Chosen one/adept is very much the magic version of Aspect. It’s about knowing super powerful and actually practical magical abilities

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Magic blasts you and uses magic to fly around etc etc

obsidian dagger
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It's Immortal, so this isn't "being good at a skill which works separately from how normal people interact with the world", but... as an Immortal, you get some kind of "affordance" which is something which normal people can't or shouldn't do but which is totally fine for you. And for Chosen One, I think that's the thing which lets them waive and/or work around the inherent "this is impossible" Obstacle on magic skills.

restive ridge
frank light
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Based on how magic works in 4e it might be a bit different from that.

The Obstacle factor on magic for one isn’t as present

obsidian dagger
# frank light Well that’s all golden arcs

Prodigy (frantic) is about being Good At Things, and then when the world asks "okay, what things, exactly?" you don't have to answer. Every single type of action you take is notionally possible mundanely; you just get to be so good at those skills that you can interact with miracles.

Reality Syndrome (sickly) is about being good at something which other people can't do at all. Immortal gets to do magic, but bases it off of a "normal" magic skill, and Frantic bases it off of standard skills, but Sickly involves practicing something which doesn't exist for other people. It's not a standard skill at all. It's your own talent, with its own rules, which entirely works around all the standard rules of what skills are and how they work and how they adjudicate success and failure and (more pointedly) how they determine how easy or difficult it is to complete some given task.

frank light
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No yeah don’t worry Im aware of the other two

obsidian dagger
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Heck, look at the description for the Arc 0 Chosen One ability, emphasis mine:

Invoke Wild Magic to cast any spell (or, as appropriate, invoke some other magical ability) that’s roughly in theme for one of your supernatural Skills. The spell takes effect as a level 1 Intention.
It hooks into the standard intention system.

obsidian dagger
# frank light No yeah don’t worry Im aware of the other two

I didn't assume you weren't, so much as I was trying to offer a counterexample; Chosen One is skills other people aren't allowed to or supposed to do, Prodigy is skills anyone can do but pushed beyond reality's standard limits on them, and Reality Syndrome is skills which flat-out don't exist for other people.

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And Magical Girls like to have this, because it takes their standard magic and lets them do all the normal things with it and fly around and shoot blasts and all that... but it's not about that, per se. Saiyans are Chosen Ones with their magical skill being ki manipulation, and theoretically anyone can do that with training; it's just difficult to learn. Iron Man is a Chosen One with Superior Power Suit. There's probably non-superheroes who have this, but it's strongly correlated. Meanwhile, you could totally be a Magical Girl without having Chosen One.

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I think that if every PC is a magical girl, then it works better, but if they're not, you need some kind of "quick-change" effect, probably Gatecrasher.

magic mason
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Angels have
Lore/Gatekeeper
Adept/Chosen One
Gardener/Keep Of Gardens
Holy/Creature Of Light

restive ridge
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Rules Magister with Empathy as an Estate of theirs

obsidian dagger
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Angels have Gatekeeper, which is certainly close, and works better for the more modern style of magical girl where their existence is known to the public at large and they have a specific job to do (i.e. one specific enemy who it is their role to fight, rather than just general superheroics). And in that case, it wouldn't really qualify as a secret world since everybody knows of it, they just don't get to interact with it (or at least aren't supposed to, but see immortal affordances). But while that is a magical girl campaign, I don't think that's quite what the "thingness" of it's about, you know?

restive ridge
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Imagine you try and confess to a Fallen but they reply "I love you too!" because they do in fact love everything

vivid wraith
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brutal

frank light
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It’s very funny that strategists also possess gatekeeper

patent tiger
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That's, like, the entire ethos

frank light
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I think fluffy has theorized that angel gatekeeper/lore is way more about keeping something at bay/protecting the world

Meanwhile strategist lore/gatekeeper is harnessing the faceless nightmares of the void…much less uh…nice

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Even chancery strategist lore is a bit villainous(in a fun way)

obsidian dagger
frank light
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At least if you’re going on a bindings arc

obsidian dagger
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For both strategists and angels. Note that neither has to like their other at least in general... but in each case, they're supposed to like at least one of them.

frank light
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Though strategists know mostly untrustworthy people: that’s their entire social circle

obsidian dagger
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Not just while on a bindings arc. Just for having Gatekeeper at all,

Any time you have 1+ points in the Trust Issue, the following rules apply:

The HG can invoke Oblivious as a justification for coincidences or effects that help or encourage you to trust or believe (in) your enemies.
The HG can invoke Oblivious to defend your relationship with an enemy—if you try to cut the relationship off for good, or someone else tries to undermine it, it requires an action with [Strike ≥ your Trust].
Any time believing or trusting your enemies or rivals causes meaningful trouble for you, the HG may give you up to your Trust in Will or MP.
frank light
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A fourth of their faction is called decievers so

restive ridge
frank light
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Wel…not necessarily in 4e

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Re:bananatron

candid compass
frank light
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There isn’t really a mechanic for lore to provide an untrustworthy ally by default

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That comes up if you’re going on a bindings arc

candid compass
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some arcanum, another Excrucian, a Noble, etc

frank light
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Chuubos combines the arc and the stat

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In 4e/glitch they’re a bit separate

restive ridge
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Tho in my head, the powers that are tied up under Angelore are about revealing and taking care of the hidden substrates and beauty of the world

frank light
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Probably that too

obsidian dagger
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Gatekeeper is always about... well, keeping the gate between the Self and the Other, on a grand scale. It's about linking humans and non-humans, or the secular and profane (or secular and sacred), or the boundary between this world and another.

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You don't have to like them, but it's your job to work with them, in the same sense as you'd work with another person. And you're supposed to grow to trust and work with someone you shouldn't, on either side of the line you stand upon.

restive ridge
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They are the things that let an Angel see the potential perfection within you, the thing that lets them grab a forgotten speck of dust and exalt it and reveal its potential and bestow its powers to others

obsidian dagger
magic mason
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Nobles too

frank light
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Well Lore let’s you put a arcanum into people

magic mason
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Sentimental=Flore=Treasure

frank light
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Like you can shove that into someone and give them cool powers

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Also yeah Flore is Nobles and Strategisrs

magic mason
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My position on Angelore is that angels relationship with their estate is something they have to Control

An Angel of fire doesn’t wield simple flames, but bizarre and arcane ones from the edges of the multiverse that would be to the prosaic mortal like a Victorian child drinking Mountain Dew

obsidian dagger
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Reimu Hakurei is textbook Angel, actually. Everyone gets to fly around shooting magic blasts (I think "magic lets you fly and shoot danmaku" is a region property... and actually, the specific way in which Danmaku works was probably added by Yukari Yakumo the Keeper of Gardens), but Reimu In Particular has that as her power. She also makes friends with people she really shouldn't (even if they don't usually betray her outright, per se).

restive ridge
magic mason
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I feel like the connection angels make with things is too distant to be sentimental

obsidian dagger
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Is her preturnatural plot-seeking intuition the result of Taboo from Creature of the Light allowing her to just... end up at the location of some Incident? The dowsing effect from Chosen One?

magic mason
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plus the goofy thing of angels with the QUADRUPLE IMMORTAL ARCS

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Angels are Quadruple Immortal
Decievers are Quadruple Sickly

frank light
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Gardener gives them some sentimental juice but only a tiny amount

restive ridge
frank light
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Only some general miracles

obsidian dagger
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She also gets to opens locks or seals impossibly easily with a cheat technique, her ability to fly lets her "float above reality" which also lets her become briefly untouchable, and, well... I don't know if you've read Forbidden Scrollery, but she does some stuff there which really really looks like keeping a gate separating humans and youkai (and/or is an example of Divine Mandate in action).

restive ridge
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Reimu is peak Noble imo

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Tired, Alwasy miserable, always having to solve the problems of other, ready to use incredibly violence and semantic arguments

obsidian dagger
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Now I'm trying to figure out other Touhou characters.

  • Thematically, Marisa probably likes the Game. Mechanically, I think she wants Gatecrasher? She also likes Creature of Fable probably, for reasons I can't clearly articulate since she doesn't seem to do any Creature of Fable things.
  • Mamizou is a really really really good example of Impressario. Her shapeshifting is just a mundane skill, and we even get an example of what happens when she gets the "feel good about yourself" result.
  • Reisen... hm. What does Reisen want? I think something Silver, but I don't have a great grasp on what silver arcs even specifically mean. She could actually also be forced onto the Angel set, really, although her madness-inducing eyes don't have an especially clear home?
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...but she does like Chosen One giving her sensory abilities, and she can probably do work with Creature of the Light's Enthrall, and you could make a silly but not entirely unjustified argument that Oblivious explains her friendship with Eirin (who semi-canonically tests drugs on her) and/or Tewi (who does Tewi Things to her). It'd be funny to try to hammer all the playable Touhou characters onto Angel arcs, but I don't love that.

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Sanae instinctively feels like she ought to have the same arcs as Reimu, but... at the same time, her miracles reek of Reality Syndrome, and her relationship with her divine ancestors feels like it ought to be something? I don't know what! But something.

restive ridge
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Marisa gives me chancery~ Deceiver vibes

obsidian dagger
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A dash of Gatecrasher wouldn't go amiss for keeping the friendliness of human/youkai relations somewhat hidden from the average folk, and keeping the main character of Forbidden Scrollery whose name I'm embarassingly blanking on out of the loop on lots of stuff?

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Side note: said character is a great example of what Reality Syndrome looks like when it isn't an explanation for a Hack first and foremost, and an example of what a Gold arc can look like when it involves significantly less martial arts training than you'd expect.

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Her Childish Wish is "I wish I could read anything," and A Little Push kind of fluctuates between "finding esoteric knowledge", "finding a youma book with desired properties", and "picking up on the emotions or sentiments of writers". I could also see her on a bit of Blue, but she's very pointedly not part of the Secret World and she doesn't have a particularly clear Other (unless you treat youma books as one of those two things, since she does trust people she probably shouldn't)...

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I feel like she gets her Hack at the very end of Forbidden Scrollery, and we never get to see her use it... but I'd like to imagine that it's the ability to read anything, with the same limitations as how the World-Breaker's Hand can destroy anything (i.e. she has to be able to describe it as reading... although the things which are most in-character for her/on her map are "reading anything literally written down", "reading someone's intent/character/identity", and probably something else?)

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What does Yukari have? She definitely has A Keeper of Gardens to justify how she created Gensokyo, and she'd like Reality Syndrome given how ridiculously vague her power is and how it classifies as the whole "can't happen in power debates, because she just interacts in a way which doesn't even clash with other people so much as it overcomes it outright", but if that's the case what's her Experience? And that sort of genericness feels like it might not necessarily be Reality Syndrome anyway.

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Because her powers are theoretically mostly infinite and super vague... but in practice, what she does is open portals and pull manipulative political strings and have Treasures in the form of Rin and Chen.

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how do I always wander into conversations involving two separate fan bases of which the people I'm talking to belong to at most one?

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wait oh no this is the wording used on the end of a purple arc. What are you, Kosuzu?

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fleet harbor
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Power of Horses hmmmmm

vivid wraith
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the chancel of inconstant horses?

fleet harbor
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The Power of Horses using hidden horse style for Jenna crossover

vivid wraith
restive ridge
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Current obsession is translating Moby Dick into Nobilisverse

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The Madness Surronding the White Whale
Captain Ahab, Whose Death is Obsession
Ishmael, Baron(ess) of the Sea

vivid wraith
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What would Queequeg be

restive ridge
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Anchor

fleet harbor
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Starbuck's part of Ahab's sphere

magic mason
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The Portrait Of Dorian Gray is a valid Pstate

frank light
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I have given one of the strategists in our party dope ass Raven’s wings

His aesthetic was already that of a dark fantasy knight so now he looks like a dark souls boss

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I am currently crawled inside of his shadow

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We are scouting out a ritual site. We may meet Nobles

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So uh…yeah we’re on that good aesthetic shit

fleet harbor
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Gotta be dressed right if you're meeting Nobles

frank light
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Yeah

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We look like a fucking walking bossfight

We don’t actually plan on starting any fights but

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We look like we are!

vivid wraith
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you're gonna be ready

frank light
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Hell yeah we are

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We’ve got a sword made out of hundreds of human souls too

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Would you believe us when we say we aren’t villains?

restive ridge
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Most creation loving Strategists

fleet harbor
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I personally would believe you

frank light
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Would you????

fleet harbor
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Yeah but I mean I come to meetings sometimes

frank light
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Lmao

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Knowing that the chancery exists does help

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I doubt they do though

patent tiger
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I would attack on sight, simply because it's disrespectful to let a setup like that sit unacknowledged

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And what better way to acknowledge an edgy look than a fight out of nowhere

frank light
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I would be almost offended if they didn’t pick a fight over our setup

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We have a dark knight, with his haunted shadow, his ravens wings, and a sword made from hundreds of vengeful ghosts

fleet harbor
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Well yeah but I mean your average Chancery meeting looks like a Kingdom Hearts cutscene with Organization XIII except instead of the tall fucking uncomfortable chairs in the room of infinite void it's probably happening in a church basement

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These are the fucking attendees

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frank light
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Our chancery is in a Denny’s

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Or a former Denny’s

vivid wraith
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lambda denny's

frank light
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I must also stress it is improbable that any of the powers we meet know of the chancery

frank light
patent tiger
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For a given value of normal

candid compass
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it is run by vampires

frank light
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No miraculous beings run the place!!
…only what seems to be a pack of vampires

restive ridge
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Based

frank light
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They’re cool

fleet harbor
hollow spruce
obsidian dagger
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A sudden thought that has popped into my head, and which I don't remember the precise formatting for:

Exoplanets...
 • ...cannot be seen by the naked eye
 • ...are detected indirectly, by observing the effects they have on things around them
 • ...might have life
 • ...probably don't have life
 • ...are very far away```
vivid wraith
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ooooh

obsidian dagger
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I'm not sure how exactly this would work out, but any of those things would be really interesting to apply to people or things.

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Should the third one be ...could have life?

restive ridge
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No

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Can/Could are really weak for writing Properties

obsidian dagger
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Fair, but I'm not sure if "might" or "probably" is any better.

restive ridge
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It combine 4 and 5 into

Bear the potential of life

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Or

Cannot be disproven to contain life

patent tiger
obsidian dagger
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I'm also not sure if that's too many and you're supposed to stick to four properties. (That being said, being able to apply [is] very far away to arbitrary people and things seems like it could have really fun implications. Would it actually move them? Or would it be like the Creature of the Ash's weirdo version of Shed Scales where you can be very far away from someone and right next to the person they're holding hands with?)

patent tiger
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And [does x] does that just as well as [can do x]

restive ridge
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In a writing tip way

obsidian dagger
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I mean, if we're to the point of being able to remove properties, removing probably [doesn't] have life would also do fun things.

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Honestly, being able to remove any of them (except the second) would probably be just as fun as applying them.

candid compass
patent tiger
patent tiger
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(With that being a 0-9 ladder, not a Glitch-style 0-12)

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(So plausible it's a higher level on the Glitch scale)

obsidian dagger
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I feel like ironically, changing the second property to "can be detected indirectly" would make it stronger, but that's sort of a weird semi-pedantic edge case because it's not using the word "can" in the same way.

vivid wraith
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how did I miss this one

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frank light
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its so fucking cool

tall jolt
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Mecha is love

vivid wraith
restive ridge
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I should read Chuubo someday

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Its probaly not the kinda game I'd actually be into playing but it's still by Jenna

restive ridge
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The Song of Creation Sung by Deceivername
... Is protected by Nobles and Law-Beings
... Strenghtens Creation through its connections
... Is unmade by pointed-out contradictions
... is Wrong and a Lie
... Contains spirits with their own will
... Muddles definitions
... Transforms potential into fact

patent tiger
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Cneph is, explicitly, a Ninuanni name!

restive ridge
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Yes but

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I imagine this to be just a "normal" Deceiver

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Not even in the Chancery or the Deceiver equivalent too!

patent tiger
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Oh that's mean

vivid wraith
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"'"normal"'" Deceiver

restive ridge
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In quotes because no excrucian has a default they are all unique anime villains

patent tiger
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Just remove the property "is protected by Nobles and Law-Beings" from something you're gonna attack and what do they do

vivid wraith
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The Normalcy of Dessiver Namme,

patent tiger
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Checkmate, Is-heads

restive ridge
fleet harbor
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At which point you have a different problem XD

patent tiger
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While I do my nefarious deeds

frank light
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Ripping out the song of creation from the world

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I’m pretty sure that’s a valid destruction. So this deceiver is pretty good

fleet harbor
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I could actually see the logic of someone ending up with this pstate too

patent tiger
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I thought Deceivers didn’t get a Destruction power?

They can make things no longer fall under this category, though, since, Persona, and maybe that’s worse

frank light
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They didn’t

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But ripping out the song of creation from stuff is a solid equivalent to the Prescott destruction example

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So that makes this deceiver fairly scary

fleet harbor
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Figure out the song of creation in a moment of enlightenment and also realizing it’s garbage in the same moment

frank light
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Hahaha

patent tiger
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tfw you figure out the question at the heart of reality after decades of pondering and it’s “are women bourgeois?”

restive ridge
fleet harbor
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Tear your way out of Hell in a frothing rage at how shitty the song is

frank light
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You find out that death is a critical component of creation and “Holy SHIT THATS BULLSHIT GOD DAMNNIT”

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You’re so pissed about the “death makes us realize what’s really important” narrative you literally die about it, experiencing the true death, and return as a deceiver

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“Holy shit immortality is dope as fuck I hate this place”

fleet harbor
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It turns out the purpose of Creation was to generate All About My Humps by the Black-Eyed Peas

frank light
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“Guys immortality is great don’t believe big angel”
“…what?”
“SACRIFICE”

fleet harbor
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Everything else is incidental

magic mason
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I still love the deceiver who experiences mortality

restive ridge
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Im not actually sure if Deceivers get immortality by default :p

magic mason
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I mean capital E expirences

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As in its what they steal with theft and share with Sealed

restive ridge
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Like Strategists cheat it by beinf reinvigorated by Ninuan
And Warmains do it by Tempering
But like Nobles will by default age and die of old age if no gifts or geasa

magic mason
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Ye I know

restive ridge
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Granny Deceiver with a Pstate of her own Cookies....

magic mason
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I like to come up with not as pstate focused deceivers sometimes

Who spec into their experience more

frank light
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Nobles can also use some tricks with persona and domain to reverse their age to be fair

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But yeah deceivers have deepness

And deepness is actually a source of immortality

restive ridge
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Yeah Nobles have ways to reverse their age but they age by default

frank light
#

If you die you can….very very slowly, return

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Unless your “true self” is dead you can just walk back in eventually

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Strategists also age as well

magic mason
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Yeah deepness comes with immortality on the tin

frank light
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Though if they die of old age maybe their new form is younger

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Immutable calls out that you’ll never die of old age if you have the immutable gift

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And eternal allows you to completely stop your aging

restive ridge
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Yeah its like 1CP to stop aging but its an assumption

frank light
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Wdym

restive ridge
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I guess Deceivers can stop aging with uuuh a miracle from a draft of a trait that is only found in the creators tumblr(whose search engine is shit)

frank light
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Yes

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Correct

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Actually they may have a couple miracles for it

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Plus other splats I believe can take the immutable gift

restive ridge
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(If you cant tell I like the simplicity of "everyone runs on 4 universal stats" of Pre-Chuubo instead of the Arc mess)

magic mason
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Plus awakening/deepness

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As a stat

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Just comes with that shit

frank light
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Oh yeah deepness was already mentioned

frank light
restive ridge
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Everyone was already weirdos in Nobilis 3e

frank light
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Because I feel like domain and persona miracles alone aren’t able to give a unique view of other excrucian splats

candid compass
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with Deepness, Deceivers can kind of die
but they also just come back again later

restive ridge
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Do you know how weird Strategist get by being forced to take like 7 Treasure gifts???

frank light
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They straight up didn’t have domain or persona for strategists

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And warmains and decievers had one of those missing

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As a result it felt like they were just modified nobles when they’re kinda not supposed to be that

frank light
restive ridge
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And also like

frank light
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Flore is a stat and gifts that come with treasures exist and are very very cool and unique.

Strategists that are a menagerie of abhorrent weapons are funny

restive ridge
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Unique stats also have a problem

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Because unless you have a miracle ladder in the book (Glitch does not have this and I doubt 4e will for every stat) how do you price diff miracles (that you mostly just make up yourself)? By basing them off stats you already know, like, in 4e, Flore Domain Persona Aspect

frank light
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Yeah that’s fair! I agree with that being a problem

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But I gotta say I still really really enjoy the unique stats

magic mason
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I think the idea is that your not really supposed to care what the stats the players don’t have are “really like” they have short thematic descriptions and you just sorta make up miracle levels

frank light
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They’re really cool to me and provide a really cool unique avenue for having different splats in one setting that I haven’t really seen before

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It’s really cool that everyone is sorta on an equal level ish, but the way they mess with the world is slightly different

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It’s really cool

restive ridge
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Like I have read Allegorical Monstrous and Symbolic

frank light
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It makes what nobles have cooler because now they get to have a bunch of stuff unique to only them

restive ridge
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They wont help me like actually run Wild Magisters in any substantial way more than the narrative descriptions and the blurbs of them in 3e

frank light
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I mean I disagree. The main issue is like, miracle level numbers but you’re always expected to be a bit wishy washy with those numbers with the npc cost track

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Knowing vaguely what a stat is supposed to do was a huge help for me

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It’s a shame though because I do like enemies having entire character sheets

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But it still is helpful

restive ridge
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And I am slightly pissed at the loss of elegance of representing Not-Gods by the absence of certain of things, it was just plain brilliant

frank light
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I guess? But at the same time they straight up lose an entire game mechanic

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Two sometimes

restive ridge
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Yeah and they are still fun to actually stat out

frank light
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I guess this comes down to preference then

magic mason
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I still have fun stating out the bastards. I just do so using my encyclopedic knowledge

restive ridge
frank light
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Mhm mhm

restive ridge
#

And like Glitch works how it does other miraculous being stats

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Its Nobilis 4e that will imo have to actually give us atleast a simplified miracle ladder or something similar or its gonna be a weaker game than 3e

magic mason
#

Nobles do… care a lot more about the mythic

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Than the Chancery do

restive ridge
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Yeah in Glitch you are mostly a sobbing wet cat and in Nobilis you wage an existential war

magic mason
#

Stats matter more when combat happens more

fleet harbor
#

Hm.

magic mason
#

Though I will say the miracle tracks are very fleshed out at this point

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Between Chuubos and Froofs

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Just not organized

fleet harbor
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Yeah but they do need to be written in Glitch format

restive ridge
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I dont want to buy Chuubo and Froofs to run other games

fleet harbor
#

And yeah

magic mason
#

Oh yeah I know

restive ridge
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I want to buy them to run Froofs and Chuubo

frank light
#

No I think what fluffy is saying is that

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Like

magic mason
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I just mean it would be pretty easy to make them for a Nobilis 4e

frank light
#

The miracle tracks, simplified versions at least

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Aren’t too much work on Jenna’s end

fleet harbor
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It’s not as much of a workload as it seems, aye

magic mason
#

What’s your favorite arc

frank light
#

Not that you need to buy froofs or chuubos to run a game

magic mason
#

Chat

restive ridge
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Creature of Fable

fleet harbor
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Hmmmmmmmm

frank light
#

Fable’s good

fleet harbor
#

Creature of Fable is good but peculiar

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Oddly specific in places

magic mason
#

Hunt is pretty great

fleet harbor
#

That’s not bad

undone flame
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Power of Sports

magic mason
fleet harbor
#

Signaling to your game’s Familia that a villain is not what they appear to be by having them save a cat y/n

magic mason
#

I am a big fan of Theft/Creature Of Delirium and Style/Gatecrasher

Though visage is very fun for me to write up

candid compass
frank light
magic mason
frank light
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Wyrd girl

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I love the torment

magic mason
#

You are a wyrd girl/j

candid compass
frank light
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Lmao

candid compass
#

Adept and Architect are also up there I think

magic mason
#

Monstrous Paladin is real I think

Their curse is their oath

candid compass
frank light
#

Adept is really fun

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Actually yeah I’m an adept girl nvm

candid compass
#

the power to just be Stronger than any opposition can be flavored weirdly heroically too

magic mason
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They are faster than you, stronger than you, they heal the sick and wield a destined blade against the darkness

restive ridge
patent tiger
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But then the cat is revealed to be secretly evil

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They are just as horrified about this as you are

magic mason
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Actually I take it back I like lore more than style depending on the day

patent tiger
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Now you have to begrudgingly team up against the cat

restive ridge
frank light
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ITS THE GREATER MASKING RITE OF TURNING INTO CAT DESTINED TO DESTROY EVERYTHING

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IH NO

magic mason
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Its him

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The ontologically evil kitty

restive ridge
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The ontologically evil kitty and the bettle who is the demiurge of everything are my fav Nobilisverse animals

fleet harbor
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Sports…
…are competitive
…attract devotion
…cause contemplation on the nature of life
…cultivate the mind and body
…take place in a sacred space

candid compass
# magic mason Monstrous Paladin is real I think Their curse is their oath

I can incorporate that into my weird heroic stat spread thought experiment
Monstrous making them thrive when in opposition to something instead of Aspect's omnicompetence makes more sense there I think
I also decided to replace Flore after all, I think some distance is required here

So I'm at Allegorical, Monstrous, Prophet, Wounded

magic mason
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…. This is a fascinating stat spread for a hero

fleet harbor
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Yeah that works

candid compass
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it makes sense in my head 😛

fleet harbor
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Why wounded though?

magic mason
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Gives them a bag of tricks and the ability to viscerally and painfully “learn and develop from their journey”

candid compass
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Allegorical is their nature as something larger than life, mythical, someone with a reputation
Monstrous is the ability to overcome adversity, to be as strong as you need to be
Prophet is being empowered by an ideal, and things aligning in your favor according to that ideal
Wounded is the sacrifices they make for others, and the power they draw from that

fleet harbor
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Gotcha

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Yeah it fits

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And yeah I agree that Aspect fits wrong

candid compass
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Wounded also has stuff like Dramatic, for showing up when you are needed
and Salvation for changing someone's life by saving them

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the only thing I haven't quite figured out yet is how to incorporate the Blasphemy

fleet harbor
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I do not have a great grasp of most Chuubo’s and Froofs arcs so a lot of this is vague territory for me

candid compass
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perhaps for this hypothetical, the Blasphemy would be a future where you go wrong somehow
the potential for you to stray from your path

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or some other internal failing you struggle with

fleet harbor
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What’s the deal with the blasphemy?

magic mason
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Oh yeah their Blasphemy could be their Doomed Destiny

magic mason
fleet harbor
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Does everyone with Wounded have one?

candid compass
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yes

frank light
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Fallen and mimics got em yeah

magic mason
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For fallen its probably the thing that makes them toxic and harmful to others

For mimics its the eldritch void inside of them

frank light
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It’s a key bit of wounded to have something inside you that you’re keeping contained by being alive

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Whether it be your original wounds from heaven

fleet harbor
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Yeah then I would say it’s their potential to give into temptation and release their internal nemesis

frank light
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Or the wound placed within you

magic mason
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If you have really good wounded it starts doing your taxes

fleet harbor
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Every paragon has a superpowered evil side

restive ridge
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Yeah their Blasphemy should prob generally be their edgy antihero version

candid compass
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yeah I think that might be it

fleet harbor
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Pondering trying to run Nobilis

patent tiger
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I am a staunch advocate of impulsiveness and hedonism