Indie+Alternative Wargaming

[tepid steeple]

Men at arms

[compact leaf]

Yarg

[tepid steeple]

Do we know what the supports box will be? A hunter person could be cool

[compact leaf]

Oh uh

Yeah actually, we do

The supports boxes will be the priestess instructor (described as a healer unit in the book), Falconer (we already have the warcrow adventures guy Jacques to base this off of) and Armelle, a named priestess

[tepid steeple]

Ah cool

[compact leaf]

And then we'll get Pierre

[tepid steeple]

I guess the falconer is that vibe

[compact leaf]

He is

Or well

Jacques is

Though he's also a bard, I don't think the normal Falconer will share that quality

[tepid steeple]

Yeah

And will be a joiner

Imma try out magister sooon

And if its fun see if anyone has guisarmiers i can borrow for an event

[compact leaf]

Magister should work a bit better once archers get rules too

[tepid steeple]

Mm

I guess they would work with guardians if one of them got joined by the magister

Other than the command points

[compact leaf]

Oh okay

So

Someone found the profiles already

I'm trying to scrounge them up

[tepid steeple]

Ooh

I like the ability

Tiny bit more ouchy than the guardians

[compact leaf]

Aha

[tepid steeple]

Ooh

Implants is cute

[echo marten]

Makes them very 'pick what you need them for this mission'

[tepid steeple]

Definitely more of an identity than just better intact

The centaurs rugged aura is really good

Cause it makes it so you cant charge him unless you ignore it

[compact leaf]

looks at Guisarmiers

"I have a job for you"

[tepid steeple]

Mhm :)

Our warcor has cute wheat fields which were fun to abuse haha

And thematic

[tepid steeple]

I love the archers so much

Like the guisarmier with the braid was a major part of me wanting feudom and the archer ladies are so cool too 🥺

[tepid steeple]

I cant tell if their ability cares if theyve activated or not

[velvet badge]

For what it's worth they also share Maximus with WinterFor

But I'm not sure how much unique characters count for sharing lol

[next pilot]

yaldaboth has some cool looking stuff

[compact leaf]

It works under the same restrictions as normal hold and shoot

In other words: you can't activate them if you want to use thumb rings

[tepid steeple]

mm

and it only happens once?

[compact leaf]

Unless we get some way of removing activation tokens, it's gonna be once per round, yeah

They're also morale 1 and have to stress to do it so you'd have to join a character to them to be able to do it more than once anyways

(if you could)

[tepid steeple]

Mm

Still cool

Cheap unit

[compact leaf]

The overwatch is a pretty spooky capability if you pull off the positioning for it

We've also ruled that the Magister's "Yes, Magister" ability should work on their Hold and Shoot so..
You can get one guaranteed hit out of it too

[tepid steeple]

Oh yeah I think so

And they have that red dice

[compact leaf]

Mhm

Can potentially take out a couple models on a good day

[sudden halo]

feudom has at least one way to remove activation tokens w/ a command token ability

[compact leaf]

I uhh
no?

I think that's hege's corporal you're thinking of

[sudden halo]

Youre right, I think it was a scenario action that was available somewhere in the song of the dormant campaign

[compact leaf]

That sounds far more likely

[sand sonnet]

@nocturne grotto continuing here, at the time GW plastics weren't as detailed and being the unweildy metals was a selling point for Warmachine.

"Full Metal Fantasy" was the tagline.

[nocturne grotto]

yeah thats true

[sand sonnet]

They insisted they would always do metal models for the detail.

[nocturne grotto]

since this was the transition to digital and finecast and resin and such

[sand sonnet]

Before that even.

But suffice to say GW plastics were better than anything else in plastic at the time, but they were getting pushback about the lack of detail on the models and Privateer jumped in on that.

[nocturne grotto]

ah

my intro to wargaming was warmachine so its colored a lot of my perspectives on 40k

and also obviously nowadays GW models are ridiculously detailed imo to the point of excess

[velvet badge]

As a slaanesh player I agree for all the wrong reasons lol

[tawny sandal]

Going mad with power of CAD and crazy injection molding

[tepid steeple]

Warcrow :)

Havent played in a while and its just so funnn

[velvet badge]

I'm sitting on an army worth of scions thanks to the boardgame. Maybe when the game gets more steam behind it I'll try to get a local scene going

[tepid steeple]

Ran this and it was quite fun

I got my partner the board game to round out their scions yeah

The red caps from the expansions are really cool too :)

[velvet badge]

The list builder is already out?

[tepid steeple]

Yeah!

And officially the source of truth

Its part of CorvusSphere which replaces the old tournament software as well

Eventually infinity army is meant to be incorporated too but not yet

Oh its also a site webapp

With a mobile focused layout which is kinda frustrating on other systems 😅

But um Magister is pretty cool, in practice thinking about how to set up a Follow Suit! each round was kinda tricky and I only really managed it once

Which is part of why its not enough guisarmiers haha

And I realised that while he generates command points because its at deployment it means it doesnt effect your initiative roll

So its like the only way for feudom not to get the bonus dice (my hegemony opp and I drew)

I found commander really tricky to use too

But still got nice use out of him

Kinda defensive in nature I guess. Though I did think maybe you could make him more aggressive by scouting him with guardians

[velvet badge]

Man I don't understand these rules at all but redcaps throwing eachother around as projectiles only to be revived to do it again looks fun

[tepid steeple]

Haha yeah

[velvet badge]

I take it a stride is it's base movement value?

[tepid steeple]

Yeah

Um

A stride is 15mm and a base is 30mm

And a big base is 60mm

And you wouldnt be wrong to consider that slightly convoluted but given CB is the only company I know of that's original game is published in cm and inches I find it kinda understandable haha

[velvet badge]

So instead of a sensible distance they went with 1.5cm as their base movement value?

So a unit with a move of two moves 3cm?

[tepid steeple]

Um yeah but theres stride measurement tools so

You just measure two strides

[velvet badge]

This gives me the same vibes as the shapes based distances from the old kill team edition

[tepid steeple]

Its that just with actual reasons

[velvet badge]

Why state something has a range of 8 strides instead of just listing the range as 12cm?

[tepid steeple]

Because they didnt want to make a cm based game

Like the idea is that its a bespoke measurement that isnt a cm or an inch

And like a move of 3 is 4.5cm and thats kinda weird? But to have it be a round number youd have to have like 20mm or 40mm bases

Or you have 25mm bases and the move is 1.5 inches

[velvet badge]

Wait, I don't think I'm quite following. How does base size restrict their measurement size?

[tepid steeple]

Because you place the base on the other side

Rather than traditional measuring

[velvet badge]

Oh it's end to end measurements

[tepid steeple]

Yeah thats a better way to put it haha

[velvet badge]

Okay that makes more sense

Still makes range measuring weird but movement makes way more sense

So how would you go about measuring an 8 stride ranged attack?

Is the base size applying it's "size bonus" on each stride or only the last?

[tepid steeple]

On each movement, a move action uses both numbers on the card

In either order

The specific order matters for certain moves as part of other things

[compact leaf]

Penny have you tried the bunker yet?

[tepid steeple]

So like a 3-2 move unit makes ones move of 3 strides (end to end) and then 2 strides (end to end)

For a total of 9 strides traditional style

I haventttt this was my first game in a minute

[velvet badge]

So is there like a 2 stride and 3 stride measuring sticks?

[tepid steeple]

Theres a movement widget with 2,3,4,5 sides

And then a 20 stride stick

[velvet badge]

I assume no individual move is greater than 5?

Doesn't really clear up my range attack question tho, I assume you don't include the size of your own base as bonus distance when measuring a ranged attack?

[tepid steeple]

Yeah no

You use the big stick to see if anything is in range end to end

The time that does come up though and its kinda weird is charge distance?

Each unit has a charge distance in square brackets but your range is actually 2 more than that

Or 4 more for big stuff

[compact leaf]

Ranged attacks are measured from the two closest points on the bases of the attacking unit and defending unit. So... Bigger bases do technically give you bigger range for things

The devs are aware of this, of course

Most of the cavalry in the game have deceptively high movement values because the very low numbers on the stat cards aren't giving you the full picture for the (6 strides) extra distance they'll get from having big bases

[tepid steeple]

It gets more relevant when you do things like shove em

Though the enemy cant usually do that

[ocean holly]

I should look into Warcrow

How easy is the onboarding?

[tepid steeple]

Unfortunately the biggest barrier atm is that the rulebook is heavily errata’d without a unified document or wiki

[ocean holly]

Oh, lovely

[tepid steeple]

Otherwise its a very intuitive game I think

All of a units rules fit on its profile card pretty much

One of my friends like literally picked it up competently mid tournament haha

The dice system as developed from aristeia is really nice, like you just gather what it tells you to but it can have a lot of depth still

[twin mountain]

I'm personally still waiting for them to release one document and not like 3 you have to cross reference

[sudden halo]

Yeah, sadly the changes aren't ones where you can just ignore them and play with the original book as written while you wait and get mostly the same experience. They make pretty big differences in the way magic plays among other things.

The community consolidated rulebook is pretty good though. Still with Winged waiting on CB to actually get their editorial staff on updating the official one.

[tepid steeple]

And even the current starter set has the un updated rules 😭

[sand sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-any-day-now-bored-gif-15093139

I like the game but janky rulebook and the paired faction stuff is keeping me out for now.

No matter how much I stare at Feudom every time they drop new model for it.

[compact leaf]

Admittedly we do have a community-made one
But..
Yeah..

I've been being told it's soon™ for months now ;-;

[compact leaf]

Paired.. faction?

[tepid steeple]

Just that beyond/song of the dormant

Other than intact/guisarmiers

[compact leaf]

Ah

I mean
Wait a year, basically is the current rule for getting into Warcrow

At least physically

Game's in early access for all terms and purposes :b

[sand sonnet]

Split faction starters being the only way to get core units sucks.

[compact leaf]

I mean
It's just for Feudom and Scions

[tepid steeple]

If you dont mind monopose stuff only feudom

[compact leaf]

Mhm..

[tepid steeple]

And you can probably play genevieve knights pretty well without it even

Proxy magister for something etc

[compact leaf]

Again though
In like
August
There will be stand-alone packs of the the scions and Feudom halves of song of the dormant

And by then the new rulebook should be out

[sand sonnet]

So eight months from now and a year after the faction launched? The logistics of this are my biggest gripe on it.

But also not a new issue for CB or anything, just the reason I haven't dived in more.

[tepid steeple]

I mean until around then the faction wont be all out either

Idk

But yeah its fair to wanna wait

[compact leaf]

It's my only idea of making the onboarding for the game as smooth as possible :b

Very very cool game

But it's unfinished :(

[tepid steeple]

But its also this cool even before its finished

[compact leaf]

It is!

[next pilot]

Paired faction?

[sand sonnet]

Lots of things you can only buy in a box set with models from anoher faction.

[compact leaf]

At least it's just models

The terrain sets are super nice and come with all the tokens you'd ever need :D

Unless you're my one friend

Who somehow managed more than 20 tinge on the board on multiple occasions

[tepid steeple]

@compact leaf i ran the bunker today

Keeping everything where it needs to be is a little tricky but verena/commander is so wild

And verena keeps it safe very proficiently

And really it was just that i was playing quadrants and needed her to be in range of my guisarmiers to counter echoes

[compact leaf]

It do be like that sometimes..

One of the harder missions for bunker to run your first time in

[tepid steeple]

Amaury tried to sneaky attack master nepharim but she slapped him away and then he got murked by marked haha

[compact leaf]

Yeah...

Amaury doesn't kill 3-4 wound guys too often

Well
Maybe 3

But 4 is unlikely

Was he in the knights from the start or did you ambush him?

[tepid steeple]

Ambush

He just rolled really bad mainly

Partially because was like “i dont need to tinge yet its fine” no fixing your red as two hits is very important actually

[sand sonnet]

Tinge is very well used as a mechanic. Lots of interesting decisions to make around it.

[tepid steeple]

Yeah its neat

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

Shame not many factions have ways to get rid of it

Oh but uh
I recommend playing him joined to a unit of knights sometime, it's really good!
And doesn't really take away from his mobility very much to be honest

[tepid steeple]

I ran him guisarmiers one time and it was pretty good

But yeah I guess if he needs to go somewhere he can pretty easily

I also didnt get knights yet :x

And proxying is kinda a pain when I just plain dont have that many troop models haha

[compact leaf]

Ah..

That'll do it haha

He is very good in knights though!
You get so many auto successes it's crazy

[tepid steeple]

Knights just love to slurp up all those leaders that give them attacking blocks

[compact leaf]

They they do

The other nice thing is that once the knights are in position, you can still sic Amaury on someone across the board if the opportunity arises

[tepid steeple]

Yeah exactly

[round canopy]

https://www.wargamer.com/starcraft-tabletop-miniatures-game/release-date

Pretty reasonable starter kits

Im excited

[echo marten]

August 2026 - Psionic unit for each faction; new Hero for each faction.

So...Ghosts for Terran

Literally just ghosts

XD

Kinda meh on heroes as corebox focus but such is life

I really hope the heavy support for terrans is a Goliath

Vikings are just so much less cool

[round canopy]

My guess would be
Heavy Support: Stalker / Hydralisk / Goliath?
Psionic: HT / infestor/ ghost
Flying: Viking/Void Ray/Mutalisk

Though I cant imagine theyll ignore seige tanks for that long

[echo marten]

I also hope we get some antagonistic heroes

I'd much rather Edmund duke or Mensk for second Terran hero than like...Swan

[maiden abyss]

Nova, maybe?

[echo marten]

Maybe? They rarely treat her like an antagonist despite literally being an assassin for fascists.

[maiden abyss]

Yeah

[left onyx]

It could be spectres! But it's probably ghosts

[left onyx]

I thought she quit that job

Ah nope, she just has a repeated habit of going rogue for a bit

[orchid leaf]

Yall heard of blood and spectacles
Idk if he’s a good person or designer or not but he has some pretty cool concepts

[twin mountain]

heads up

legacy's allure good

I love the chess threat-solution-threat-solution play it implements through like, dota mechanics?

had a game with alex where she ran in with a hero unit with counterstrike so I used a break effect on her from one of my mages and then she countered me with one of her mages that could dispel the break

forcing me to trade a dragon against her hero and they both died

so much in so little, I love it

@modern snow got his game down to 1 die roll per attack. 0 die rolls per attack is even faster

[distant roost]

I gotta finish unlocking the factions and do some real drafting there, it's a fun core

[modern snow]

also FWIW Warcry also achieved this and it's rather straightforward. It's why Warcry is one of my favorite warhammer systems.

[compact leaf]

Had an Ember tournament

Went well!

Like three different people ran the parry monster I showed them so I was happy to see that

I.. sadly couldn't attend myself though 😔

The parry monster for reference

[distant roost]

Yeah the grappling left arm is super powerful and the sabre's super powerful so free saber estate is a great combo

[distant roost]

What kinda list would you have run if you could have made it?

[compact leaf]

Ough..

I'm not really sure anymore

Haven't played in months sadly

But I do know this would've made great use of the echoes pack

What I really liked about the grapple into sabre combo is you can just spin someone around for a free back attack

Bonus points for stealing an arm with the grapple too

My biggest barrier to E:OP is figuring out how I even want to put things together in the first place

[distant roost]

How do you mean? Something like unsure whether to go big on drones versus the MAP robots

[compact leaf]

It's mostly just analysis paralysis, or something adjacent

Very very many options causes us to overthink things 😔

[distant roost]

Yeah the lists are really wide and varied especially when all the boxes are in play; what I did as thought exercise was use the new inventory feature on the builder to try and build lists out of first just the core sets then tried core + 1 extra box and it was a good way of visualizing how much fits into 900 points

[compact leaf]

I'll try that, thanks!

It'll probably also help me actually build the physical stuff (I grabbed some, our store stocks it)

I have been putting it off for.. far too long

[distant roost]

Yeah just knowing how many of a part is in the box is a big deal for not accidentally rolling a list with 4 of a part that the box has 1 of

[tepid steeple]

I played magister at a pretty small warcrow event todayy

I came third of 6

[distant roost]

That's a good showing! What kind of factions were you up against?

[compact leaf]

Pennyyyy
List? 🥺

(also congrats!!)

[tepid steeple]

I played redcap scions then genevieve feudom then husk scions

[compact leaf]

I'm very curious to see how folks are running magi since I haven't tested mine out yet

Ooh Gene came out too..

[compact leaf]

Inch resting..

[tepid steeple]

Genevieve feudom made me appreciate how hard it is to actually chain her ability

[compact leaf]

You've gotta be close and a knight

[tepid steeple]

Yeah which slows you down a bit

And concentrates your force

[compact leaf]

Mhm

Very very good at breaking through things

But otherwise..
Useless..

[tepid steeple]

Yeah theyre terrifying!

[compact leaf]

I'm waiting on mounted knights to try out Gene

[tepid steeple]

I think foot knights instead of mace escorts wouldve been good

[compact leaf]

I think she'll make them sing

[tepid steeple]

Other than decap maybe

[compact leaf]

Oh yes, absolutely

[tepid steeple]

I think also that with like

Double guisarmiers in 250 points dont both need a morale leader

Which is how I ran the commandrt

Morgane in guardians I quite like

[compact leaf]

I've heard good things

Being able to put her where you want is very nice

[tepid steeple]

I need to run amaury as a leader tbhh

Ambusher is a lot trickier when you actually have enough units

Round 1 I just fed him to vercana when I could have used mace escorts to cover middle loot perfectly

[compact leaf]

Yep

Especially in foot knights

[tepid steeple]

But redcaps are scaryyy

[compact leaf]

Wough..

Yes they are!

They also hate being debuffed though so..
It's less bad maybe

Anyways

This is my current brain baby magister list (the third Guisarmiers is probably going to be archers, but those aren't in the list builder right now)

[tepid steeple]

Easy switch tho

Oh two knight

[compact leaf]

It's just two strike teams, tbh

[tepid steeple]

I like

Charging a knight leader

And then following with the guisarmiwrs

So they get the gang up

[compact leaf]

Since the magister chain activation doesn't have a range, I figured I can split off Amaury in foot knights and a unit of Guisarmiers on one side, and Magister in foot knights on the other side with the other Guisarmiers

And then yeah

You can charge the knights out of their units :3

[tepid steeple]

Yeee

But yeah the lack of range is so powerful

And the lack of activation

[compact leaf]

I would also like to put archers in here so we get some ranged damage too

But again
Not in the builder yet

[tepid steeple]

Mhm

I have no idea if itll be good but magister in archers to follow suit shoot with them and guardians is funni

[compact leaf]

I mean

Shoot isn't an actual action

It's all attack

So
You can have them shoot at whatever the foot knights engage actually

[tepid steeple]

Isnt ranged attack and attack attack a different action?

[compact leaf]

Not as far as I can tell

[tepid steeple]

Oh hm

[compact leaf]

They're just different types of attack

See

Attack is just attack

[tepid steeple]

Yeah

True

Think emoji

[compact leaf]

It'll cause the stress to the FKs but if it's the Amaury ones then they have like..
Morale 4
They'll be fine

[tepid steeple]

I need to just make a bunch of 30mm bases so I can proxy stuff haha

[compact leaf]

Yar..

Oh wait the magister chain doesn't even need to target the same thing

[tepid steeple]

Nopee

[compact leaf]

You can just shoot something
Awesome

[tepid steeple]

Yeah

Dont even have to mind their stress or anything

[compact leaf]

Nooope

Removes their biggest downside!

Back to the attack thing though
I do remember someone telling me when I started out that Amaury can ranged attack and displace to do a normal attack and..
Now I feel lied to 😔
Thank goodness I never did that stunt because the spell was always better

[tepid steeple]

Excited to see how the harrier comes out

Oh right yeah cause they're both attack

[compact leaf]

Harrier?

[compact leaf]

Mhm, and cannot do two of those..

[tepid steeple]

I think I thought that worked with syzigian

We also realised today cause it hadnt come up for me but he does activate if he holds and shoots and hasnt yet

Its just that he can continue doing so

Idk where harrier came from I meant the falconer guy

Amaury killed a puppeteer today

I made the husks my contract is part of why

[compact leaf]

Yuppers

[compact leaf]

OH
YES

I think that'll be our only guy that buffs ranged attacks
And he'll have scout or something

Probably pokes people's eyes out

[compact leaf]

YIPPEEE

Amaury really does feel like an essential tool right now

[tepid steeple]

This is what my partner playedd

[compact leaf]

I like joining him to things and then having him fly 20+ strides across the table to go kill someone

[compact leaf]

EVIL

[tepid steeple]

Yeah thats really cool

[compact leaf]

Surprised by orc husk though..
Lack of models, I presume

[tepid steeple]

It was a really cool list! I think if they'd had more practice they wouldve done better

Rather than third husk?

Mm

[compact leaf]

Like
He's usually near an engagement where a character is supporting it anyways, so..
He's almost always in range of something, it's great

[compact leaf]

Yeah
Normal Husks are better supported by the list than orc husk is (just because orc husk is outdated)

[tepid steeple]

Mhm

He did get a baby little update

Apparently they got use out of its join ability too

But yeah master nepharim is cool but feels a little awkward for the price and pre virtuoso rules

Aodharu is really fun

And by fun I mean scaryy

[compact leaf]

Eugh

That's what our top scions player said when they started looking into the game

Immediately picked out that profile and laughed at how many dice it's got

[tepid steeple]

Hehe

The charge 12 and bloodlust is funny

The willpower really bad too

Amaury guardians could be funny

[compact leaf]

Mmm

Here is my opinion:
If foot knights are present: Amaury goes in those
If not: then he's fair game to go literally anywhere (preferring Mace escorts if no Sysigian is present)

[tepid steeple]

Haha

Valid

[compact leaf]

I cannot understate how potent 3 auto successes before dice are even rolled can be

[tepid steeple]

Mhm

[compact leaf]

(this is FKs with Amaury stressing)

And then you can command token that up to very silly amounts of successes

[tepid steeple]

Mhm mhm

[compact leaf]

Or just stack stress

[tepid steeple]

And the block is good too

[compact leaf]

Mhm

All of it

Every single bit
Profoundly useful

[orchid leaf]

I been looking at uh

Ember

I’m a bit lost on what the entry product is

[distant roost]

If you buy either the Core RDL or the Core UN kits, you can build a 900 point list of robots to bash against friends. Game board sold separately; dice to be sold separately but not out yet. Tokens and cards for the robot parts come with the core kits. Objective and map cards you gotta print yourself for now.

To my knowledge they're working on offering a game kit for sale that has all the non robot bits and that's still WIP. I've done all my Ember gaming in the TTS mod to date.

[orchid leaf]

I see.

[trail fulcrum]

Dice is out

Already tho?

[distant roost]

I was looking at the Queti Tectonics listing here for separate dice pack:
https://www.queti-tectonics.com/products/dice-pack

Pretty sure dice might have been shipped out with the kickstarter orders?

I missed the Kickstarter so I'm very late to the physical game status

[orchid leaf]

Ah it looks like the UN core is out of stock basically everywhere

[compact leaf]

@tepid steeple discovered a new tech for magister.
Turns out you can use a charge declaration to count as a move declaration or attack declaration instead of only a charge declaration (there's an FAQ somewhere that states it pretty cleanly)

[trail fulcrum]

Ah i'm basing on LGS shelf

[compact leaf]

It sounds super weird when I write it down but..
Basically
Ex: Knight charges, Archers could charge, move or attack using the Magister's followup ability

[tepid steeple]

Oh thats helpful

Same wtih assault?

but yeah I remember seeing that charge counts as a move and attack actions

Umm

I dont think its relevant rn but in the future if there are spells/skills with subordinate actions too

Oh I guess amaury does attack

I was mainly thinking about how he doesnt charge haha

But yeah thanks for pointing out! 🥰

It does kinda feel a little bad whenever you dont achieve a double charge in a round but the archers being able to cover a bunch of the board and make an attack sounds pretty cool

[compact leaf]

Presumably yea

[compact leaf]

Yar, this is why they're in there :3

Knights clear the way, Guisarmiers hold the newly taken ground, knights keep trudging forward under the covering fire of archers

Very simple gameplan
But I think it may work

[tepid steeple]

mm :)

[distant roost]

There's a fan subreddit with a wiki with a list of LGSs that take Ember web orders, looks like Dreaming City Games in FL still has UN Core in stock:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmberObsidianProtocol/wiki/web-resources/

[orchid leaf]

I am so far away from Florida, I hope shipping isn’t crazy bad

[tepid steeple]

Finally playing infinity today after like a month 🥳

Uh. Knock on wood 🤞

Cause I also thought that was the case two weeks ago ‘^^

[compact leaf]

Best of luck!

I'm still grinding out my ISS..

[tepid steeple]

In the mines? 😬

Im trying the daemonist today

[compact leaf]

Ooh

Exciting

And such a pretty model

[tepid steeple]

:3

I need to finish the rim properly

I can blame new painted model syndrome if it goes badly 😋

[tepid steeple]

It didnt go badly!!!

She got attacked by a rasyat diplomatic division (dep. zone parachutist) and survived by the skin of her teeth

And it like completely turned the game around and I won 5-0

Though only 1 civilian was actually evacuated because evac is so hard

I just scored classifieds

This was my list and I just love lt+1 order and an nco in each group honestly

My initiates (one proxied as a zero) were meant to do the mission but the camo one got e/m grenaded, tried to use the parachutist to salvage the play, and they both ended up dying xT

But yeah just really happy to play infinity again i love it sm

[compact leaf]

Eyy nice

My losing streak unfortunately continues

[tepid steeple]

Ripp

[compact leaf]

Doing better than last time though

[tepid steeple]

Thats good!

[compact leaf]

Mhm

Like
I've come around on the idea that ISS is pure suffering
Whilst still true..
It's not because they compare poorly to the rest of the game (I mean they do, but that's YJ in general and it's not that bad)

I just think they're incredibly unforgiving

So
Assuming I work out the kinks
I might be able to do something cool with them eventually

and I feel I'm getting close

[tepid steeple]

Mm!

Does it feel rewarding?

Or at least I hope it will at some pointt

[compact leaf]

To a degree, not very much right now though :(.
Last game may have gone a bit different if we remembered how ML rangebands worked, but they just kinda have a lot of trouble getting up the board against stuff like PanO

Absolutely dumpster anyone who doesn't have top of the line gunfighters though

At least in my experience

So
It's kinda like

• is your opponent going to shoot better than you?
• if yes, play your weird list that's built specifically to break you out of it and make a hacking network to deal with them
• if no, you're probably better at shooting than them so leverage good smoke shooting and decent assault pieces to take ground

[tepid steeple]

Mm makes sense

[compact leaf]

I have to use so many discoballers

[tepid steeple]

Yuuup

Oh xi zhuang is weird

[compact leaf]

I just got the model for him actually

But yeah he's strange

I think he's usable though

I can't actually decide which of the two profiles I like better

One is pretty ridiculous close assault (I'm not sure if this is actually the correct term but 2B flamethrower) but the other one brings more vision control in

[celest root]

gonna ask here too

What's the wargame you personally know of that involves the Least amount of minis
Bonus Points for being good

[trail fulcrum]

MCP weirdly

[compact leaf]

MCP is solid, I like Infinity's 15 model limit (there are very very few ways to break this)
Uhh..
Dropfleet commander can have low model count, so can Heavy Gear

[tepid steeple]

Moonstone is 6-8 models (6 for a full game, 8 for a tourney roster)

[compact leaf]

I'd like to say Warcrow but it's entering 20 model territory. Very good game, not really low model count

[tepid steeple]

And the models are pretty expensive :((

[compact leaf]

Yar..

They are at least very pretty

[celest root]

I got 1490 doom, 3 a side?

[tepid steeple]

Woww

Hakkure is 4 a side (I think but idk if it has a roster thing) but I really enjoyed my tiny dip into it

[celest root]

Hakkure?

[tepid steeple]

A funni answer is if you play giants in aos spearhead you get three guys

[tepid steeple]

Infinity inspired scifi rugby game :)

Wait is that the name hold on

[celest root]

I know custodes kill team was 3 models

[tepid steeple]

Takkure

[compact leaf]

Is
Is the name a pun?

[tepid steeple]

It um

Hm

Im not sure if its a pun or just an attempt at like

“Japanese pronunciation” of ‘tackle’ cause I dont think its a word

Which feels Hm

Oh til that the same studio is benind the infinity spaceship game? Wild

[compact leaf]

Wuh

That's neat

[sand sonnet]

Mobile Arms is 3-4 models a side for a full game.

Shatterpoint is also fairly low model count 6-8

[sudden halo]

Classic Battletech tends to play 4 to a side.

Obsidian Protocol is similar, but when you get to chunky 28mm mech games Idk if it still counts.

Or like Titanicus where its 3-4 models but each has the detail of several 28mm infantry.

Relic Blade has a low model count.

[orchid leaf]

I don’t think titanicus has infantry? Are you thinking of imperialis?

Wren (Tsusie, She/They) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Or like Titanicus where its 3-4 models but each has the detail of several 28mm infantry.

[compact leaf]

OP is a great call actually

[tepid steeple]

Wren is saying that theres a big difference between 4 28mm models and 4 massive bigatures

[compact leaf]

Mhm
Still
Good game with low model count regardless

I get where they're coming from, though

They kinda stop being uhh
"Mini"atures at that point

[orchid leaf]

Ahhh yeah that’s true

Pennywen ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Wren is saying that theres a big difference between 4 28mm models and 4 massive bigatures

Also I think the knights in titanicus are 28mm

So there are kinda almost infantry

(Height, not scale)

Neri (Meowstrid) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Also I think the knights in titanicus are 28mm

[sudden halo]

Yeah, if you play knights it's approximately like painting an infinity army

Armiger's are approx 28mm and the others go from 40-60mm tall. So approximately the same as painting regular Warhammer Primaris scale wise

[orchid leaf]

THEY HAVE ARMIGERS NOW????

Wren (Tsusie, She/They) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Armiger's are approx 28mm and the others go from 40-60mm tall. So approximately the same as painting…

Goated

[tepid steeple]

You can go quite wide on warhounds which arent too big too

[trail fulcrum]

Hand made in FW iteself

[orchid leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/neko-chocola-hell-flames-nekopara-gif-16658728

Admiral (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Hand made in FW iteself

Ok I gotta ask yall
Are there any legit wargames you’ve heard of with acrylic standees for models?

[sudden halo]

Cyberpunk Combat Zone uses standees for the Edgerunners version

[modern snow]

yes

It's just "Tackle" in a thick, caricatured japanese accent

[compact leaf]

Mmm
Thinking about trying to work out my design muscles
Are there any wargames that do er..
Squad leader + squad (maybe like 3 guys at most) activations?

I kinda wanted to try working that idea into a campaign game

Maybe add light vehicles to it

[distant roost]

Is the idea you keep the squad alive or would you replace losses between scenarios?

[compact leaf]

I think you'll have to pay for each squaddie if you want them back, but not their equipment once you've bought it for the squad

Better leaders + better equipment = better + more expensive (scaling off of the leader's skill) squaddies

Or so goes the thoughtline

Now
I've never done this kind of thing before, so I've not a clue if that's solid ground to work off of..
But it's what I've got

[orchid tulip]

Necromunda has group activations where Elites can activate with one grunt and leaders can activate with two grunts iirc, might just be 1 grunt always been a while since I got a game in

[compact leaf]

Huh

That's amusingly similar haha

Anyways
Faction design time

[tepid steeple]

Stargrave (and frostgrave) do this too, with activation order always being your captains + nearby guys, then your first mates + nearby guys, then alternating between anyone left

[compact leaf]

Mm
Nearby guys might be a better way of going about it then

And like
leaders are how you get your unit types

Mmm
More game design to be done..

[sudden halo]

I really like this idea. I've kinda spit balled an idea that does something like that. You have a squad, which is comprised of a lieutenant, NCOs and fire teams. You activate by fire team. NCOs provide an extra Infinity style order for their fireteam, and the lieutenant provides one that can be used by anyone on the squad.

[ocean holly]

I'm thinking a similar aidea, but battalion level

[sudden halo]

So like reverse infinity orders? Or in infinity terms
Everyone is irregular.
Activate by combat group
NCOs provide a regular order to their group.
Lieutenants provide an order to the whole squad.

Im not entirely happy with the Lt but I am very interested in games with more important Command and Control elements, both at scale and in small units.

[orchid leaf]

Im also making attempts at a platoon scale game with group activation

but with. Psychics.

[ocean holly]

My game has platoons as the units, lmao

[orchid leaf]

I think 3 model base activation, with up to 5 if they’re close or a good leader and 7 if both close and a good leader, might be the sweet spot

[ocean holly]

Ooh, that's a cool idea

I'm just doing leaders can burn their turn to activate everyone in range

[orchid leaf]

Blkout is a game held back massively by its activation system
If I was doing a game like it I’d assign each unit a fraction of your activation per turn that it takes to activate

But when all your units are the same I think there’s better ways

[ocean holly]

Oh, my units are different, don't worry

[compact leaf]

Yeah kinda what I'm going for
I'll have to test it before I'm satisfied

The next things I need to work out are what the theme of the game is and how damage works

But before anything is how activations work

[compact leaf]

Well
CB people
I can give you this for now

Pretty sure that's a Falconer for Feudom in the art there

[tepid steeple]

Thats exactly what I thought he would look like

Feudom instructor 🤔

[compact leaf]

Ye

[tepid steeple]

Yuan yuan repack I assume

[compact leaf]

It's one of the graduated priestesses

[tepid steeple]

Ahh okay

[compact leaf]

Prob

I finally get my Bao troops I've been waiting for I think

[tepid steeple]

And a less graduated one in support pack?

Mm

[compact leaf]

A named one actually, Armelle!

And probably a generic priestess profile alongside her

[tepid steeple]

Mm

Cool!

[compact leaf]

Yar

It's gonna finish off our infantry

After that
It's horse time

And bird

[toxic patrol]

I'm assuming the CA remotes are a code one repack?

[compact leaf]

Yeah 99% sure, since the essentials CA stuff came out very recently

[toxic patrol]

Makes sense

No Aleph stuff is sad though

[compact leaf]

The rumours whisper of an Aleph battle box this summer

So..

If that's the case, they're holding off a lot until that comes out

[tepid steeple]

Against qk? 👉 👈

If they do im really hoping that hafza get the line infantry slot. That would make me very happy

[velvet badge]

QK would be nice. ForCo getting axed left me with an accidental QK list lol

[tepid steeple]

Support looks like aodharu and namaoin

Feudom models are pretty <3

[next pilot]

yaldagoth has cool stuff

[orchid leaf]

That is a Pegasus

That is like
Just a Pegasus
From lancer

[tepid steeple]

Oh, the scion one on the left ? Yeah aodharu is super freaky

[compact leaf]

Oh here's the infinity stuff too

Next wave got Advent Troopers

[echo marten]

Some day Aleph will get new models. ;-;

[compact leaf]

Someday

We're hoping for that battle box

And I mean

Aleph did just get new models not too long ago

[echo marten]

Devs: "The new Combined Army subfaction is like giving Aleph new models because it's got Aleph characters in it!"

[compact leaf]

K2s got a box of 2...and none of the Aleph factions can even use 2 of them right now so I think that means something is coming down the line

[tepid steeple]

Are they actually new drone?

[compact leaf]

No

Just a repack

[tepid steeple]

Hehe fair

They really are straight up just advent

[tepid steeple]

The k2 are so cute

[compact leaf]

Ye

[tepid steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/xcom-2-xcom-advent-jiggly-units-xcom-modding-gif-17827771989821037139

This is what came up when I looked for an advent gif

[modern snow]

That's definitely how my stingers have been when I fielded them, so it tracks

[compact leaf]

Whuh..

[modern snow]

I could've sworn we already got that YY repack months ago

[compact leaf]

Apparently not

[modern snow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/trump-president-donald-CKrlUi30dn44w

[celest root]

https://bundleofholding.com/presents/Forbidden

a psalm forbidden in bundle of holding

[orchid leaf]

I’m thinking about ways to blend movement and combat into a single cohesive whole.

You gain either groove or flow as you move, which boost your evasion and your speed respectively. Both groove and flow get lowered by 1 (1 across both, not -1 to each) at the start of your turn, cap at a combined total of 4, and lower your accuracy.

Models have individual caps for flow and groove, and can have effects at certain milestones. Some models have caps that lock them below 4

[sand sonnet]

Sorta like how movement/defence in Battletech works?

[orchid leaf]

Yeah, but very different in thematics and how the movement half works
For instance, say base speed for your model is only 1, so you need a bit of flow to get moving. You can make them really fast, but they don’t start that way.

Im also thinking maybe groove and flow are expendable for certain other benefits, like groove letting you ignore fall damage or something.

[sand sonnet]

Are you considering a "momentum" mechanic as well? Like in old spaceship games where you keep moving in a direction even if you turn? Thinking like Silent Death for example.

[orchid leaf]

Vector trig is not fun so no

Ecllection (They/Them) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Are you considering a "momentum" mechanic as well? Like in old spaceship games where you keep moving…

[sudden halo]

You can do it in a way that doesn't wind up using any trig. Full thrust has you start by moving the momentum, then you do any movement you have available to you, and you end by measuring from your starting position to your ending one and make that your new momentum.

It makes for a very different game though and I'd only spring for it if that type of movement is a core mechanic of the game and the theme.

[twin mountain]

You could honestly use chess

If you wanted to make it a bit more embedded in cinematic fantasy instead of abstract stuff, you can make games with jousting style combat like any of the dogfight wargames or broadside wargames

[twin mountain]

You don't need trig for this

You just have a future location marker and apply movement to that marker

Then move the unit to marker and move the marker an equivalent distance

[orchid leaf]

/Bwuh? Not sure what you mean

Winged (she/her) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) You could honestly use chess

Why didn’t it work

[tawny mountain]

@twin mountain if you could elaborate on the first message I’d appreciate that

[orchid leaf]

Wha—

[tawny mountain]

\Ok I have to unlatch

[twin mountain]

chess is a game where combat is movement

intrinsically

stronger units have stronger movement options

and you move to attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks-3G__AjVo

[tawny mountain]

Ohhh I see

[orchid leaf]

Yeah I’m aiming for like a

Cowboy bebop style action type thing
Which I think I could get to work w/ chess style stuff but it might be more trouble than it’s worth

Blending combat and movement is more a step than a n end goal for my purposes

[jade finch]

oh.. uhhh

for an example from a game that i'm not sure is considered done/mature or not:
in my own game i have character action options be cards that can be either played during the player's turn/phase or held in hand as a reaction when out of turn/phase.

nvm read up to the original ask... i might be just talking off-topic

[celest root]

Reminds me of HMTW but unstandardized

like that lot

[tepid steeple]

@compact leaf

[compact leaf]

Yeah I saw;

Sharing with other discords as we speak

Though you beat me here XD

Absolutely nobody except for the instructor joins units and that's.. funky..

[tepid steeple]

Hehe

Havent actually read them het

The falconer is a little disappointing

Though he’s good in his own right

I think the magister and Armelle will be really fun

[compact leaf]

I just thought he'd do a different thing but he's just a cheap debuff machine

Which

Is actually pretty helpful to have around tbf

[tepid steeple]

Yeah its actually really good

And easy slot in

Just not what we expected haha

[compact leaf]

Mhm

Wanted ranged attack guy..

[tepid steeple]

I do kinda get the idea if they didnt want it to be something the faction was tooo good at but yeah

Armelle is really cool, the damage ignore is pretty key and elite is awesome. Her passive is a really fun concept

And then the priestess’ protection spell is like the third of its kind but still has a different identity, enabling attack backs is pretty tasty, and then she can heal tinge! Or even an arbitrary effect, which is quite tasty?

Feathered support is solid, but Tear out their eyes meaning the guy doesnt even have to activate is nice. Though I just found out recently that you cancel the dice for outnumbering before you roll? I thought it worked like disarm haha

Instructor is really fun, Moved by Faith has no range which is awesome, Psalm 21 is incredible, and I think experts in fog tides is pretty nice from playing morgane

The wp roll add basically just means she doesnt like guisarmiers haha

Weirdly theres a few generic attack bonuses in the faction like hers, morganes, magisters that do work with the ranged units

Theyre just not straight added dice

I noticed Armelle and Priestess are our first non command point nobles

[compact leaf]

I think for these releases..
Profiles-wise, Gitmalu and Armelle are absolutely the standouts

[compact leaf]

Yeah..
Feels weird but it's not all that surprising

Now
I don't know if you really want to take all of them in one list

Maybe 2 at most

(Verena, Priestess, and Armelle, I mean)

You can't really afford to spend so many activations just keeping the buffs online I feel

[tepid steeple]

I dont think I got the scions ones

But yeah I think thats accurate, armelle is good for that

Though I think positioning her offensively will be difficult tbh

[compact leaf]

Mhm..

Oh!

Wait!

She fits excellently into a magister list actually

[tepid steeple]

Ye!

[compact leaf]

Because after she charges, you can just charge something in behind her to defend her on the way in

[tepid steeple]

Its just a little hard to get her in position to charge without being at risk but mace escorts do exist

Ohh wait

Declare charge

Cast spell, displace from instructor, make charge move?

No wait moved by faith is the end of the activation

@compact leaf can you send the scion profiles 🥺

[compact leaf]

Aye aye

Gitmalu is the standout here, unsurprisingly

[tepid steeple]

Thankuuu

[compact leaf]

Though Aodharu is close behind

(this is all subjective)

[tepid steeple]

Oh gitmalu’s magic gun is scaryyyy

[compact leaf]

It is

All of her is

At least as scary as the scariest thing she can see

[tepid steeple]

Yup

Lifted is fun though, she can kinda replace breath for doing risen stuff

Aodharu is quite different but also kinda similar and cooool

Namoin’s funny ability is gone and no spell anymore. Is one of us all objectives or just ones he contests???? Really nice on an ambusher either way and of a thousand faces is interesting

[orchid tulip]

What is the splat icon in War crow context?

[tepid steeple]

Tinge!

Badness from casting spells usually

The red (scion) faction use it a lot and inflict it offensively

It causes badness for most people (stress -> damage -> exploding) but for scions causes weirdness up until the point they also explode

They roll on a table that has good and bad effects while they have more than one

[compact leaf]

Where most factions just get freaked out by the creeping black ooze coming out of their skin when they cast spells, scions look at it and go "Hmm.. yes this is good"

[sudden sundial]

"This is what winning looks like."

[echo marten]

Look, they're just built different.

Out of corpses in quite a few cases

[compact leaf]

Good news @tepid steeple
The magister strike teams list does very good :3

I don't quite think I'm ready to switch anything out
Maybe I'll get Instructor in there at some point though, or one of the new priestesses..

[stable pelican]

i got my book!!!

[stable pelican]

WOOO

GUNDAM ASSEMBLE NEWS NEXT MONTH

[modern snow]

FINALLY

[orchid leaf]

Are there any pointless games with listbuilding you all like?

[potent wyvern]

Maleghast does pointless list building and its pretty fun

[sudden halo]

Warcaster doesn't use points and the listbuilding is pretty good

[twin mountain]

Moonstone

[tepid steeple]

Pointless is such a funny word here hehe

I like the concept of turnip28's listbuilding, havent actually played it though

Otherwise +1 moonstone

Theres a few things like moonstone, like godtear. Aristeia I think?

[tepid steeple]

Like moonstone in the sense of choosing a set number of unique characters

[left onyx]

Yeah I would probably say pointsless instead

[celest root]

https://tenor.com/bvVoT.gif

[crude lodge]

Anybody have good millitary-style wargames to reccomend

looking for WW1, WW2, Present day and Future

[orchid leaf]

Blkout for future

kung_fu1015 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Anybody have good millitary-style wargames to reccomend
looking for WW1, WW2, Present day and Future

[fallen rune]

Littoral Commander

[left moss]

fistful of tows

[twin mountain]

I vaguely remember hearing bad things about the blkout guys

ah yeah there we go

unclear if their politics are bad but they're kinda grindsety weirdos I guess

I hope they generally clean up that reputation. blkout is definitely my favorite sci-fi squad tactics game

hrngrnhrngh i've been like. biding my time to shill legacy's allure here but i kinda just Want To because it's so good and i want to play it

😩

why can't they release the new faction already

[distant roost]

Legacy's Allure's digital client is super nice

[sudden halo]

What scale of wargame are you looking for? Big armies, grand strategy, or warband/skirmish type games?

I always hear good things about Chain of Command and Gruntz. I've meant to pick up a copy of Spectre Operations for a while. For zoomed out stuff Fistful of TOWs seems to be the current fav. I also hear Team Yankee is good if you play it with 6mm miniatures instead of what Battlefront sells. I haven't played any of those games though.

For smaller combats, it's an RPG, but Free Leagues version of Twilight:2000 is phenomenal and could easily be used as a small skirmish game.

T2k is also a Year Zero Engine game so it's super easy to port in scifi or fantasy stuff from the other games. Still there's a decent amount of work that'd be needed to make it a true wargame.

Oh, also there's Squad Leader (probably avoid Advanced for a while if not forever). It's kind of the grandaddy of modern/WWII company level wargames.

[tawny sandal]

I’m interested in No End in Sight, but haven’t played it yet (it’s a kinda generic WWII to modern but themed around Cold War sorta, with additions for Sci Fi or post-apocalyptic)

And for WWII/Korea there’s Bolt Action

I know people speak nicely of Chains of Command and FFoT, both already mentioned

And I’ll throw out Down Range because even though it’s kinda messy and unsure what it wants to be as of right now, it’s free and so are all of its miniature print files

And while they’re not a scale I’m using as I found out later, you could size them up or down pretty okay (maybe not down for the hotdog-men), meaning that the miniatures by themselves could be a nice resource for easy to print and moderate detail models for a variety of modern stuff

[orchid leaf]

Fireball forward, crossfire

[tawny sandal]

Isn’t Fireball Forward kinda the game TFL made before Chains of Command and kinda rolled into it?

[orchid leaf]

I don’t believe so

AHappyHellbrute ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Isn’t Fireball Forward kinda the game TFL made before Chains of Command and kinda rolled into it?

It’s 15mm multibasing

[tawny sandal]

Is it at least made by them or am I completely losing it?

Also I’ve really come around to 15mm/1:100, it’s a very nice scale for portability, buy-in, and engagement size

[orchid leaf]

I’m pretty sure it’s mark’s game room’s

[tawny sandal]

[orchid leaf]

Agree

AHappyHellbrute ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) Also I’ve really come around to 15mm/1:100, it’s a very nice scale for portability, buy-in, and enga…

[tawny sandal]

Yeah damn I’m totally misremembering, my bad (regarding Fireball Forward)

[celest root]

https://icastlight.blogspot.com/2026/02/psalms-for-mordheim-smash-basing-new.html

[autumn sun]

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-kicks-door-yakuza-enter-kiryu-gif-19648375

Ayo someone mentioned Mordheim?

[celest root]

Indeed

Using Psalm

[autumn sun]

Hm! A little half-baked in terms of combining the two but I see the vision.

[celest root]

It's an OSR Blog, playing and tinkering is the name of the game

[autumn sun]

I figured, yeah.

They do successfully target what makes Mordheim what it is with those 4 elements listed, and it's really the more memorable parts. The stat lines are whatever, who cares, but my dude now having to use a peg leg? Or a hero falls 5 stories to his death because he couldn't jump over a 2" gap? Yeah, that's what people like.

[celest root]

Leave a comment if you got thoughts for the author though

i'm sure he'd appreciate it

[tawdry cedar]

https://youtu.be/869YzIHxo8g

Found this video detailing a wargame called critter conflicts

https://critterconflicts.world/index.html

That being the website and the fact that there is a apparent fully functioning version of it for table top simulator

[twin mountain]

What's the gameplay like?

Okay it's at least aa

It's weirdly hard to find any gameplay of this or even pictures of gameplay

Not a good sign

[tawdry cedar]

Yeah idk as far as I know this very new at the very least I've been trying to look for some myself at some of my breaks but I haven't really found anything as well

I honestly just thought it sounded cool and posted it here

[twin mountain]

Yeah no worries! Thanks for the heads up

[orchid leaf]

Hello wargaming chat
I am looking for play testers for Riflewitch: Sparrowhawk
It is a game of magical Cold War era squad on squad combat, has been tested pretty extensively but the Sparrowhawk changes are big
Please send message to our account at @tawny mountain if you are interested

[twin mountain]

@twin turret ^

[autumn ingot]

Not sure if you are still looking but Fistful of Tows is good for allot of what you are asking.

[supple shale]

Fistful of TOWs is just Good imho

closest « what if Team Yankee were good » bn scale combined arms game

[celest root]

https://lonearchivist.itch.io/psmt

[orchid leaf]

infinity peeps: would this list be a)fun b)functional?

Bf wants me to play infinity but I'm not too fond of the infantry models (the two moderators I do need to use for LT will probably just be my neko-munda escher catgirls)

[sudden halo]

It would definitely be fun but I'm not sure how functional.

Though it's surprisingly dece for the constraints.

Id go with 2 stigmatons instead of 2 lizards, because you can fireteam them together.

You also probably will want to get an engineer of some type, even though that adds another infantry model. You're very weak to EM attacks and hacking with an oops all remotes and tags list, so having something that can get them out of nasty statuses will help.

[orchid leaf]

Yeah I knew that would be the issue going in, I'll think about what I can do about that one.

Lizards can't fireteam because of the little bot the come with I guess?

Wren (Tsusie, She/They) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) You also probably will want to get an engineer of some type, even though that adds another infantry …

[compact leaf]

Sidenote
Uhh
Infinity is very proxy friendly so you can just go nuts with models you do actually like (if there are infantry profiles you'd like to play but don't like the model for)

[orchid leaf]

More reasons to get a printer

But also I do just like triple tag+zonds

[sudden halo]

They can, just theyre max 1 in the armored fire team, so they don't have a way to get bonuses. Normally you fireteam them with an engineer to follow them around

Where Stigmata is 2 max in the fire team, which means you can pair them and then get a special dice on your attacks

[orchid leaf]

Neat

[sudden halo]

Which makes their hrl really scary instead of strong but inconsistent.

As a side note, you're correct that peripheral controllers can't be in fire teams, but units with Peripheral (Ancillary) don't control a peripheral until they deploy their little bot so they're allowed to until they do.

[orchid leaf]

Ahhh

[sudden halo]

At Adepticon last year I had an opponent that played 2x tags + remotes with one human engineer in PanO in the 200 point narrative. For the 300 point tournament he just added a Cutter and went to 3 tags.

He had a super cool display carrier thing that hed built. It was a giant sandcrawler type vehicle with docking bays for the tags and magnetized spots for all the remotes.

[orchid leaf]

That's awesome

[orchid leaf]

Revised:

So the stigmatas cam FG amd then the lizard+engi

[sudden halo]

I think that should play a bit better and be more resilient.

The only other thing you might consider is getting some repeater coverage via pitchers or deployable repeaters. You have enough fast repeaters on your zonds (+ the meteor jumps in) that you might not need it but the initiated with minelayer and deployable repeaters is a really good way to get repeater coverage from the start of the game.

And as a bonus is a camo marker instead of a model most of the time

[tepid steeple]

I would second two stigs just cause it uses the hackernet better and can do missions

[tawny sandal]

Not knowing this game I can only think of you recommending two of the masked driver from Top Gear

[tepid steeple]

I think thats in this video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OD3zu_eVpOU&pp=ygUZR21nIGluZmluaXR5IGNhcHRhaW4gc3B1ZA%3D%3D

[sudden halo]

Yep!

[orchid tulip]

1 in a reasonable priced car, and the other in a lambo?

[orchid leaf]

Just need to get someone local to print this for a clockmaker. And buy all the other stuff.

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-delivery-gurl-penelopi-high-241080

[orchid leaf]

Anyone know where I could acquire a large number of uniform rectangles on the cheap for a pseudo-hex grid

Larger than a playing card if possible

[crisp edge]

box of index cards?

3"x5"?

[orchid leaf]

Yeah that will work

[compact leaf]

Dorf

[autumn sun]

Playstation 1-ass low poly angular armor

[compact leaf]

Look how happy that goddamn bear is

[tepid steeple]

I love how they have backup axe

[compact leaf]

Those axes apparently just magically come back to them actually

And they have magic dwarf boots

[tepid steeple]

Oh fair makes sense

For jumping?

And running

[compact leaf]

Yes yes

I'm also just gonna assume they're scout or ambusher since that's heavily implied to be their role in the book

[tepid steeple]

Yeah makes sense

[orchid leaf]

Lara Crofts

TillCounterPunch (They/Them) ↩️

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[compact leaf]

Mmm..

This ..
I..

https://youtu.be/U4oO6OmKmKI?si=ghi4ImmO_BOlk2iZ

Honestly it's far better with context

[tepid steeple]

Hoopoe is so cool

[fallow patio]

I sure do love me a good dorf. And the warcrow ones definitely have me intrigued.

[compact leaf]

Given the power boots and Unrelenting (which are some of the very beefiest dwarves) and the presence of assassin robots in the lore..
I think I gotta get dwarves

Oh and the transforming gun-axes

[autumn sun]

Finally.

[hollow slate]

Nice!

[autumn sun]

Absolutely gorgeous book.

[autumn ingot]

That looks amazing!

[sudden sundial]

Twench...

[twin mountain]

Is the warcrow book out?

[velvet badge]

Haven't heard anything on mine shipping yet but glad to see they're finally getting into people's hands

[compact leaf]

Not the new one yet..
Estimates said last December would be it but I'm now guessing it'll be around when dorfs arrive

[twin mountain]

kk

[compact leaf]

We unfortunately no longer have any concrete idea though ;-;

[orchid leaf]

Had a silly idea
Dark crystal strategy battle game

[tepid steeple]

Moonstone lowkey

[orchid leaf]

A lil

I’m thinking somewhat larger scale and actual listbuilding

Moonstone is cool tho

[tepid steeple]

Yeah for sure

[sand sonnet]

How many Garthim am I allowed to bring?

[twin mountain]

did more legacy's allure with @crude lodge

the legacy

was alluring

[crude lodge]

very fun

and I nearly won

[twin mountain]

Yess

🌩️

[distant roost]

What factions did y'all play?

[crude lodge]

2 50 pt games

game 1 Tristan vs elf hunter guy

game 2 Aurelia vs orc lightning guy

[twin mountain]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1498550/view/509605951634931832?l=english

Infinity hexadome demo update

[next pilot]

A friend was looking at wargame stuff but he doesn’t like how many have that sort of gritty look from warhammer’s infkuence on the medium. What other games are out there?

[orchid leaf]

Loads

Anthropodlogist ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161730220164911187 message) A friend was looking at wargame stuff but he doesn’t like how many have that sort of gritty look fro…

Infinity is a good sci fi one

Literally only gritty game I can think of that’s not warhammer is Trench Crusade and that was explicitly chosen for a wargame conversion to be an anti-warhammer

Not saying they don’t exist, but the further indie you go the less gritty it gets

[weary cradle]

scifi can usually be p gritty by dint of the militarism

theres plenty of historicals

even from warhammer like, age of sigmar exists

[crisp edge]

kriegsspiel

[distant roost]

Is your friend looking to do IRL gaming or are they open to tabletop simulator? On TTS I've had a good time with the Ember: Obsidian Protocol resources in this post:
#1161730220164911187 message

[modern snow]

I'm gonna do a shameless plug and recommend a majority of Black Site Studio's catalog: https://blacksitestudio.com/

[distant roost]

Mobile Arms totally owns

[modern snow]

specifically Whispers of the Deep, Yafsiga, Mobile Arms, Don't Look Back, and Lunar

Whispers is probably the most Whimdark of the bunch

[modern snow]

also check out Relicblade for a very approachable coffee-table skirmish game: https://www.relicblade.com/

if you want mega-whimsy, there's Moonstone! https://www.moonstonethegame.com/

and Arcworlde from Warp Miniatures: https://www.warpminiatures.com/pages/arcworlde-second-edition

Osprey publishes a veritable smorgasbord of one-off wargames under their Blue Book line: https://www.ospreypublishing.com/us/osprey-games/wargames/

[tawny sandal]

A lot of historicals are basically just as “gritty” as the wars themselves, and even then that’s more just kinda in the context since most of the actual rules are orders of battle and such

[modern snow]

it's produced some absolute bangers like Frostgrave, Gaslands, and more

[orchid leaf]

I was gonna say gaslands. I need to actually get myself a proper game of it, got the books and fancy tokens and templates and everything

[trail fulcrum]

I have a stupid cursed thought of Star trek skirmish game with a starter of Federstion Security team vs Jem'Hadar

[autumn ingot]

Gas lands is fun

[modern snow]

Gaslands is silly fun

[wheat aspen]

Got another friend into Skirmish

If someone told me 6 years ago that I'd get a better tactics experience than D&D by not rolling my dice I'd laugh them off but, look where I'm at now!

I say this cause you play Skirmish with dice...by using them as both miniature & healthbar

https://biscuitfund.itch.io/skirmish

[autumn sun]

https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/atomic-mass-games-announces-strategic-focus/

[tepid steeple]

iiinteresting

[autumn sun]

The cynic in me says this is them just no longer supporting Shatterpoint.

[sand sonnet]

I think they intend to support the already announced releases.

And then slowly taper the game off.

They've already started doing that tbh.

[ocean holly]

I just want hard plastic shores!

[sand sonnet]

As someone who is pretty big on Shatterpoint, it's disappointing and I expect the decision came from people who wanted more ROI and not that the game wasn't making money.

[ocean holly]

I suspect it was an Asmodee decision

[sand sonnet]

Yeah no way AMG wanted to downplay their game for one they inherited from FFG.

[ocean holly]

I am still fuming at the shell of its former glory FFG is now

[sand sonnet]

FFG was in trouble when they got bought, they tried to do way too much.

I think there's some things that Asmodee did for them that were smart.

[ocean holly]

Like take all their RPGs, X-Wing,and Armada, and give them to companies that do nothing?

[sand sonnet]

Split their lines of business? That makes sense. Not giving resources to those businesses to help them support the things they now own? That's where the problem is.

X-Wing and Armada got done dirty for sure.

Part of that was the production model, and part of that was AMG not having staff.

[ocean holly]

Also the SW RPG

There has been..... One(?) sourcebook in the past threeish years?

[sand sonnet]

Yeah, that one really feels like a camping on the license and doing nothing with it thing.

[ocean holly]

Tbf EDGE has done something

A Legend of the 5 Rings 5e conbersion

Which is widely regarded as "so bad it doesn't exist"

[echo marten]

...I got confused for a second there was L5R is currently in it's 5th edition. XD

[ocean holly]

Nono

This is D20+mod, you're all mercenary "adventurers"

[echo marten]

hiss

[ocean holly]

Courtier is now just a bard reskin

With casting

[echo marten]

Eww

(L5R 5e, the actual L5R edition is likely the best they've ever done/a lot of fun.)

[ocean holly]

I enjoy both 5e and 4e, tbh

Scratch different itches

[echo marten]

I'm a big fan of the Centipede Clan, so I have some rather hefty bias to one of these editions over the other 😛

[ocean holly]

Heh

I'm a Crab Enjoyer

[native portal]

Sparrow Clan

[orchid leaf]

Fighting with the GW-only players locally that it's stupid to exclude other systems from the drop-in push night

[compact leaf]

Godspeed, your cause is just

[orchid leaf]

Tbf I think one guy might just be trying to oppose me for everything because he's one of those warhammer guys

And I'm an openly trans woman

[compact leaf]

May incredible misfortune befall him in particular

[orchid leaf]

It's OK clowning on him is fun at least.

Got my TAG stuck together now tho

Just gotta do some touch ups and varnish and that's 20% of my infinity force done

[compact leaf]

O
What TAG is it?

[orchid leaf]

Lizer

[compact leaf]

Excellent taste

[orchid leaf]

"Pnet user likes the faction named after prominent anarchist philosopher" and in other news pope still catholic

[modern snow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/waving-lizard-hoppers-LPFNd1AJBoYcVUExmE

[tepid steeple]

Lizardddd

I love her though I am a bit confused why she has the iguana's ammo box on her back

[orchid leaf]

These are my infantry for it though (necromunda eschers with printed catgirl bits)

[tepid steeple]

They look really awesome!

Wow thats made me realise how nice the escher look with alt heads omg

Fit in really well for nomads too

[orchid leaf]

Oh yeah. The alt heads made it so much cooler for me

[trail fulcrum]

What

Lil

[orchid leaf]

No idea.

[trail fulcrum]

Just drop in and push the game by the literal elphant in the room