Indie+Alternative Wargaming

[supple shale]

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/a-note-from-the-founder-of-wargames-atlantic

[autumn sun]

12 years is an insane amount of time but I'm glad they're refunding people.

But also holding on to that secret for so long is like...woof, man, what the hell.

[supple shale]

Crazy stuff but props for laying it all out like this imho

[autumn sun]

Yeah.

[supple shale]

« I had to operate this awesome company under an alias for years because my personal brand was totally burned » is wild work but I won’t say I don’t get it,

Very relatable impulse

[autumn sun]

It does make me wonder if now that it's all out there they'll start producing those Leviathan models again, unless there's some weird rights issues that prevent it.

--ah wait no those were Dreamforge, which Wargames Atlantic has some of those kits but weirdly not all.

https://wargameguru.weebly.com/uploads/4/1/2/7/4127304/7397401_orig.jpg

Wargames Factory had these, which for a time were the only plastic greatcoat models.

[supple shale]

I remember those!

« Well, it’s not exactly plastic Steel Legion, but… »

[autumn sun]

It's as close as we got for a good while.

[supple shale]

I think Dreamforge had the Wolfenstein lookin ass power armor guys?

[autumn sun]

Yeah.

[supple shale]

These hoes (courtesy of Agis N.)

I know this line was wrapped up in all that business somehow

[autumn sun]

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/iron-core Notably it's missing a few kits from Dreamforge: the aforementioned Leviathans (15mm and 28mm versions), the grav-stug, and the Valkir assault troops.

https://dreamforge-games.com/pages/instructions Ah, hm, maybe more. Though a lot of these are very similar.

[supple shale]

All this is dredging up some Memories, gee whiz

[autumn sun]

I have two of the 15mm Leviathans and while I haven't assembled them, they're so far the only kits I've seen that requires a screwdriver to assemble.

[sand cloak]

Wow

I hope WA releases more deathfields kits

[autumn sun]

Same. They've put out quite a few already and they all seem like good quality models.

[sand cloak]

Yeah

We got US marines

Displaced French

Penal players

Hobbits with guns

Displaced British

Displaced Vikings

The nazi paratroopers

[echo marten]

What happened?

[sand cloak]

One of the death field teams are the descendants of Fallschrimjager that were abducted at Carentan

Though great proxy if you want Steel Legion

Because they look like fucking steel legion

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/raumjager-infantry-box-set

Vikings

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/einherjar

[next pilot]

These feel like steel legion but not

[sand cloak]

Exactlu

They don't got the masks

Lemme get the other teams

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/les-grognards

https://wargamesatlantic.com/collections/demo-collection/products/bulldogs

I really want those bullies

Because I can use the brodies for my Rangers of Kent

[supple shale]

The guy behind Wargames Atlantic reveals he’s been operating under an alias for years

[echo marten]

...yikes

[supple shale]

If you backed one of his kickstarters from 2013, he’s refunding with interest

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/a-note-from-the-founder-of-wargames-atlantic

[modern snow]

I always got the impression that Hudson Adams was an alias, but assumed it was a "I just don't want to have my real name on Facebook" and not a safeguard against connection to a smoldering ruin of a business venture.

Props to him for airing this all out though.

[fallen rune]

Actually a crazy story

[compact leaf]

I have a battle report for you all~

I played a real actual game of warcrow last night

[distant roost]

How long does a warcrow game take to play out to the wire like that?

[compact leaf]

It took us 2 hours, counting time to check rules and everything

[distant roost]

That's pretty swift!

[compact leaf]

Was not a full-size game though, so it probably would've taken closer to 2.5 hours for us new folk

I'm very certain you can easily cut a game of warcrow down to 2 hours no matter what under most circumstances though

It plays very fast

[distant roost]

Yeah those lists are compact enough to remember what everything is

Once there's past like 6 distinct units in an army list my memory tends to fail me on what everything's bringing to the table

[twin mountain]

oooh!

[tepid steeple]

At our recent event most games were done in like 1hr 30, but didnt feel rushed either. Fits really well in a 2hr round and different points values arent too different in length when you're playing three 5 turn rounds either way

[compact leaf]

Oh you guys played 3 turn rounds huh?

Neeaaat

I did 4 turn rounds

Oh

Wait

English

I did not read properly...

[tepid steeple]

❤️

[distant roost]

Oh, the rounds have a limited number of activations separate from the models on each side?

[tepid steeple]

Yee

Theres abilities to do stuff out of regular turn, and units that didnt activate get a mini one at end of each round, but yep

[distant roost]

That's a good way to keep lists and games lean for sure

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

Some of your units are also.. compound units, basically

They can have characters linked to them, rather than activating seperately

[distant roost]

Got to play TTS Ember: Obsidian Protocol with a new to the game buddy of mine today, buddy was completely green, and it worked pretty good - played through a full Terminal hack 3 point scenario with pregen lists in about 3 hours. Buddy with a UN roster had a strong ranged core with missile launcher, backpack drone, and porcupines screening for ranged laser rifles, and me on RDL had a mix of missiles and melee to try to do zone control. Terminals get hacked automatically end of the round if zone's clear of enemies so first to the point gets an advantage in the other team has to attempt remote hacks of the terminals (located in the three 2x2 zones in center) to deny other team points. Screen shot is round 2 positioning.

We wound up calling the scenario 14-2 in round 4 since RDL couldn't effectively push UN out of Bravo and Hotel since the UN mechs were able to do kickflips off the RDL missiles in mobility stance and UN got off the world's greatest mutilation shotgun shot to mangle up Anser's RDL melee mech pretty good and missile group ripped up Keyhole round 3.

Tonight's rosters:

[umbral prawn]

u gotta combo those RDL missiles with Suppression

[orchid tulip]

RDL kinda needs some other source of supression imo

[compact leaf]

HUH

[twin mountain]

https://youtu.be/RUJ_h01mVRg

[sand cloak]

To add more to this, you make the miniatures yourself.

The miniatures come from nature. Acorn army mixed in with pinecone brutes.

[sand cloak]

_>

<_<

Trench Bug STLS
CW: The Modeler has NSFW mini's on their profile page. Mix between SFW/NSFW really.

https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-trench-bugs-690979

[twin mountain]

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/black-site-studios/mobile-arms/updates/6

Second, playtesting applications are opening for Mobile Arms! If you're interested in getting early access to the ruleset and weighing in on the game's development with feedback, head over to the Playtesting Applications channel in the BSS Discord and let us know that you'd be interested to participate. We hope to see you there, and we look forward to making Vermilion Horizons the best iteration of the Mobile Arms ruleset yet with your participation!

@maiden ermine @toxic trench

[twin mountain]

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/black-mask-verlag/echo-team-spearhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQFDqU8MP4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RGvz66w3E4

@modern snow @native portal cool look at another game using tokens and a zonemap, like undaunted ^

[modern snow]

I AM SUMMOooooh neat!

[native portal]

Oooh

Lmao tracking the sun is a bit much

I do agree area spaces looks much more natural

[twin mountain]

Yeah it's just an overhead photo and they drew some lines on it

And honestly I dig it

The og AI artist: god

[twin mountain]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3589354848

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15749496367170711901/740F1FCBF69E826546D5098FCB16A71C8C83BDD5/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16019273052680268356/79F39366A08DBE119DDA4CC65692C16AEDD3FD56/?imw=637&imh=358&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=true

@latent rover @distant monolith ^

[distant monolith]

ohhhh

should cover Flak Arcane one day really but my backlog is so packed right now

[twin mountain]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14605373146751107277/458A143895C9FB7E717D9C8992FA48273FE11D7C/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Yeah no worries I just thought you'd find this cute and playable

[distant monolith]

fuck I forgot about Iron Sleet

ah fuck the list kept getting longer

[latent rover]

oh neat

[tepid steeple]

@compact leaf how does this look for a 200 point intro game

I didnt want to go too simple and do the basic line troop demo thing cause I think my sister found that boring

I think it shows off some cool steel phalanx things, like mim -6 guy, netrod. Impetuous for funsies

I could proxy something to do a myrm team with eudoros though

Oh I suppose I should think about mission

I think the agema is also fun if I run nuns cause I cant kill it till its had a chance to do something

And Ill probably do a simple hacknet to show that eudoros has limits

Msv2 orphan as threat against overextending but cant really aro or anything

[compact leaf]

Have they played the game before?

Like had some demos, etc

And is there a mission you're going to play?

[tepid steeple]

It was a while ago but yeah

Probably superiority? I like superiority

[compact leaf]

Would they know what Hidden Deployment and Impetuous actually do?

[tepid steeple]

Not yet

But I think theyd get it

[compact leaf]

Ah..
Hmm
Do you have the list you're running against it?

[compact leaf]

They're not too crazy, yeah

[tepid steeple]

Trying to thread the needle of enough cool infinity stuff that they get to do cool stuff but not overloaded with everything at once

[compact leaf]

Booping once again?

[tepid steeple]

Im figuring it out haha

[compact leaf]

Ah okey

Hmm

So

As much as I'd like to say the SP list is okay
It really only has one gun

(Machaon)

[tepid steeple]

Mm

[compact leaf]

I'd try and fit Ajax in there maybe?
He's very very fun

Here hold on-

gr4Nc3RlZWwtcGhhbGFueACAyAEBAAoBgmIBAQACgl8BAgADgmABAQAEgloBAwAFgmgBAQAGglEBAQAHglEBAQAIglMBAQAJglMBAQAKglsBBAA%3D

This is a lot more SP?
And they mostly need to know move+shoot, melee, engie/doctor, smoke, camouflage, and AD

[tepid steeple]

Mhm

[compact leaf]

I like to give people I'm demoing lists they can just run me over with when they want to do that kind of thing

So this may be borne of that habit, just a tad

[tepid steeple]

Yeah makes sense

[compact leaf]

If you want to, also you could teach them fireteams with this?

[tepid steeple]

Mm

Especially with sp that feels important

Need to stop being a goober about proxying xP

Especially when i havent been coloecting everything

Umm

Ekdromoi are so cheap damn

[compact leaf]

Yar

As much as I'd love to give them the KHD one...

You said they haven't played much so that might be unintuitive

[tepid steeple]

Mm

[compact leaf]

So like
Give them the opportunity to drop that guy in if they're in a tough spot

[tepid steeple]

Thanks for the comments ❤️

[compact leaf]

Of course!

Even if you don't take our advice, we trust you to run a demo we think

[tepid steeple]

Thats sweet

I dont think i have the brain to do it tomorrow as I planned

But Ill try at some pointtt

[compact leaf]

We've run a few..
Just waiting on some models so we can actually paint up our own personal demo force

[ocean holly]

Any Bolt Action players here?

[left moss]

yeah

[ocean holly]

I'd like a demo game, if you're willing to teach

[left moss]

can probably do what time zone are you?

[ocean holly]

AEST

[tawny sandal]

While statistically it’d be the same, I will say drawing the activation dice will be less fun over VTT than the ol’ “draw from the dice bag of myyyyyystery”

[left moss]

uhhhhhhhhhhhh

im gmt

might be a lil more complicated

[ocean holly]

Yeahhhh

[left moss]

unfortunate happy to answer any questions tho

actually @ocean holly whats your free time look like

[ocean holly]

All the time

[left moss]

well what would be an ideal time and date

or day rather

[ocean holly]

Days, Monday, Wednesday, thgursday, times 8-8

[left moss]

i could maybe do monday at like 2pm your time

wait not not 2pm thats 1 am

[ocean holly]

Maaaybe not, then

[left moss]

let me hammer time

2 mins

<t:1761210000:T> - <t:1761249600:T>

[ocean holly]

That's when I sleep

[left moss]

unlucky

[round canopy]

Oooh starcraft stuff

https://www.wargamer.com/starcraft-tabletop-miniatures-game/wave-one-revealed

[modern snow]

thanks for reminding me to get the Essen Spiel Zeratul mini

[round canopy]

Shipping to the US is $30 otherwise I'd be all over it

[modern snow]

just buy however many it takes to get free shipping! 🙃

[round canopy]

I've seriously considered just buying 5 and reselling them lol

[compact leaf]

I think we have at least one other Ontario Infinity player here..
Will I be seeing anyone at Autumn Assault?

[modern snow]

Whispers of the Deep inches closer to its release date...

[sand cloak]

They gotta make sculpts of the frogs.

Frog gunners

[digital bay]

currently watching a daemonic assassin assault a police van in Trench Crusade

the hunter of the left hand path has been slain by the emplaced cannon + map terrain combo that has been dubbed "the vengabus" by the players

meanwhile behind a similar van on the other side of the map some smaller demons are repeatedly hitting a man with sticks

[maiden abyss]

What's that?

[potent wyvern]

Man how the hell do you find folks to get into a wargame with

I guess check my lgs

[modern snow]

A ghibli-inspired frostgrave-like from Black Site Studios

A bit of frostgrave, a bit of mausritter...

[maiden abyss]

Frostgrave-like?

[modern snow]

yeah! A semi-competitive skirmish game with heavy campaign elements, with each player piloting a single warband that revolves around a central upgradeable character

in the case of Frostgrave, you have the all-important wizard and their apprentice, with the rest of the warband comprised of nameless hired mercenaries of various flavors

[maiden abyss]

Ooh interesting

[fallen rune]

Basically every local store has a discord page and you poke around them for games

[weary cradle]

if not a discord then a facebook group

[sleek trail]

facebook is thankfully less common but wargamers are full of oldheads so def check

[twin mountain]

@umbral prawn hey I actually have a playtest for my new strike trigger prototype ready

I remember some other people were interested in playing too?

spooky

anyway i'd be interested in running a playtest this weekend

[distant roost]

I got availability to playtest this weekend if you need extra hands, if I recall right it's a 1v1 kind of situation so you might fill up fast

[twin mountain]

yes!

it is

I remember some other people were interseted too just don't know which

it's sorta chessish, square grid, no los, godtear style

[clear shadow]

Ooooooo

Not sure if I'd be available to playtest but I'm definitely interested in checking out the rules

[umbral prawn]

I'm free all of tomorrow!

[twin mountain]

Ok!

[hollow crypt]

strike trigger??

is it 1v1 now?

[ocean holly]

Seems cool

[twin mountain]

Yes

I'm getting over myself and making it a real game that isn't impossible to play lmao

[hollow crypt]

put me in coach

I will play 1000 hours of 1v1 strike trigger

[twin mountain]

Hahaha okay <3 well. I do want to run tests today

Okay so @umbral prawn @hollow crypt when are you guys free today fuck it

[hollow crypt]

I am free for the next hour and 20 minutes and then from <t:1761498000:T> on (though I do need to go to sleep at some point)

[twin mountain]

Ok!

I'll aim for the second window

[umbral prawn]

I am free in this same time window

[twin mountain]

would <t:1761501600:t> or <t:1761505200:t> work for you guys? it'll be more convenient for me all around

[umbral prawn]

Yes. Earlier is preferable

[hollow crypt]

both work for me

[twin mountain]

@umbral prawn @hollow crypt in 30 minutes?

Wait derp I meant to say like ten minutes, like, I'm trying to be early here like peri prefers

[hollow crypt]

also works

[umbral prawn]

10 minutes from that post is... right now, which works fine

[twin mountain]

went well

[twin mountain]

has anayone played a billion suns? and played around with the 'people can summon as much as they want but it costs them' victory system?

[twin mountain]

this is so cool

[compact leaf]

I uhh
Dropzone commander, to a degree?
I'm pretty sure the dropships can just pop in and drop there stuff of nearly anywhere that'll fit them

At least that's how it worked when I tried it

[twin mountain]

Oh shit that's good to know actually

[compact leaf]

It was just a matter of paying for the dropships to bring everything down
And like
Dropships were also units, so they'd have different drop capacities and everything. Usually had guns..

Not sure how much that matters here but I feel it's worth pointing out?

[sand sonnet]

They were paid for in your list and didn't just bring in anything though.

They could carry whatever units were part of your list.

Except Shaltarii who were weird.

[crude lodge]

anybody here play OPR?

[sand sonnet]

Not actively at the moment but I have played it a bit.

New edition is in beta I think?

[crude lodge]

there's a new ED?

[sand sonnet]

https://www.onepagerules.com/news/v3-5-beta-is-live

[crude lodge]

huh

[sand sonnet]

Wait JK:
https://www.onepagerules.com/news/opr-v3-5-beta-is-ending-october-26th

Looks like they're writing one soon and the beta feedback period is over.

[crude lodge]

you have tts?

tabletop sim

[sand sonnet]

I do. However I wouldn't be interested in a TTS game of it myself.

[crude lodge]

whys that?

[sand sonnet]

Not the game I want to dedicate time to at the moment.

[crude lodge]

fari fair

[sand sonnet]

There's a pretty decent TTS community for the game though.

[crude lodge]

any specific servers?

[twin mountain]

@umbral prawn @hollow crypt @distant roost I'd be interested in another playtest of the strike trigger wargame sometime later this week

I can bug other people too

[umbral prawn]

Regrettably, I am fully occupied this weekend

[crude lodge]

srtike trigger?

[twin mountain]

Understood!

[twin mountain]

Game I made ages ago

[crude lodge]

what time are u running it?

[twin mountain]

Not sure yet I normally find players first

[crude lodge]

I live in the UK, friday+sunday are both fine

[twin mountain]

Noted, thank you kf

[distant roost]

Friday after <t:1761949818:F> is good for me, Saturday/Sunday flexible too

[twin mountain]

I'll need to do some work on the mod anyway

Gotcha gotcha

[crude lodge]

what kinda game is strike trigger anyways?

[twin mountain]

If I do end up signing you up I'll explain it to you haha it's a dice allocation chess kinda thing

[umbral prawn]

It's a grid wargame. It's good.

[crude lodge]

ooh

[signal orbit]

OPR is fun

[crude lodge]

you played b4?

[signal orbit]

Yeah I currently play, and I've got an HDF community book that I'm gonna update once 3.5 is live. It's got most of the imperial guard models and rules options from history that aren't currently supported by the base OPR book

[hollow crypt]

Im completely booked Saturday, but otherwise I’m pretty free

[sudden halo]

Warcaster, with very slight restrictions.

[twin mountain]

@umbral prawn @hollow crypt @distant roost finished the first rulebook prototype, planning on another session on sunday: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19bLSyjy1GNzz1KPQLRm129zhY3lzr30m_FcYdbqjrs0/edit?usp=sharing

tron you'll be happy to know i'm going with the warp in anywhere approach

[hollow crypt]

7x7, warp in anywhere? so here for it

[twin mountain]

yup

@crisp edge I may actually want to commission you for a quick piece of art for the round tracker, if you're up for it

it's a collapsing orbit onto a planet with 5 points the orbital trajectory

[distant roost]

Thanks, I was gonna ask if there was any reading available to get familiar with it; I'm available Sunday too

[hollow crypt]

oh fuck this whips ash

[trail fulcrum]

Golden ratio time?

[hollow crypt]

we have inserted a narrative framing ❤️

[trail fulcrum]

Spiral

[twin mountain]

a massive object is collapsing onto a planet and you and other corporate vultures are trying to collect all the extremely valuable front running debris before the big impact

[hollow crypt]

it is very good

btw, can you turn on ziplines? I assume the answer to be no but 'continuous' doesn't make it super clear to me at first glance

[twin mountain]

yes, any links work

they're just individual connections between nodes

[hollow crypt]

hmm, I'm interested to see how that plays out

I'm free the same times this sunday as the last

[twin mountain]

I've changed objectives so that you only need to secure them once instead of every round, because it works better with the new format

[crude lodge]

this stroke trigger or smth else?

[twin mountain]

this is wildly funny to me

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-cringe-gif-27026754

[crisp edge]

I would be happy to
I might be a big tied down with personal projects right right now but if you shoot me a DM about it we can talk about a quote :P

[celest root]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdB1H5Mx2FfSIICIavGIODi42QaFo29l5&si=0H3J4eNwFsRujrdI

[sudden halo]

Oooh! I wonder what the rules will be like

Dystopian Wars looks like a pretty fun game but I have negative interest in steampunk

So if they make a convincing space version it might be worth checking out.

[twin mountain]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3596280084
https://youtu.be/4uEoSqu7wwY

[twin mountain]

@umbral prawn @distant roost @hollow crypt when would be a good time to playtest today

[hollow crypt]

free from <t:1762102800:T> onwards. no lectures in the morning either so I can be up for a while if needed

[twin mountain]

Gotcha

[distant roost]

Yeah, <t:1762102800:t> and forward is clear currently

[umbral prawn]

Uhhh I thought I said I was not available this weekend

[twin mountain]

Ah you did my bad, I'll run it with Clem and Tron then

[distant roost]

There any TTS mod that needs downloading?
edit: Found it in the Windfall 0.1 doc

[twin mountain]

@hollow crypt @distant roost hmm. how late are you guys up for hanging out and doing this. my european creatures are still awake for the next two hours so I'm tempted to do deadlock with them or something and do our playtest later if it's convenient

[hollow crypt]

probably not later than <t:1762131600:T>

[distant roost]

I'm good until about <t:1762133400:t> as a start time, I tend to have early bedtimes

[hollow crypt]

I too am currently european

[twin mountain]

! understood. okay.

I'm leaning on like <t:1762110000:t> to <t:1762117200:t>

sometime around then

not too late for you guys

[hollow crypt]

that'd be good

[distant roost]

Sure, I'll keep that block open then, enjoy the Deadlock

[twin mountain]

@open grail I know you were interested in spectating, if you see this poke me with times that work for you

[open grail]

I just awoke, I'll be around to spectate in 45 or less

Or pretty much any time later than that until 18:00 my time

[twin mountain]

@hollow crypt @distant roost @open grail okay let's do it in 2 hours from now

[twin mountain]

gonna sit in a voice call and nest

coo coo

[twin mountain]

wheee good playtest

[twin mountain]

@open grail

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19bLSyjy1GNzz1KPQLRm129zhY3lzr30m_FcYdbqjrs0/edit?usp=sharing @open grail

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3596838013

[distant roost]

Thanks for running the test; appreciate y'all's patience as I stumbled through - great session, very impressed with the state everything's in already

Probably the coolest thing about the decision space is that striking early wasn't always the play compared to striking later, compared to a lot of wargames where first strike advantage is huge

[twin mountain]

the strike trigger engine also helps with keeping everyone constantly cycling their attention across the entire battlefield in sweeps

I appreciate the ziplines letting the parameters of fights suddenly change with a good movement too

you used that well

[distant roost]

Thanks, yeah when movement is constrained and the objectives change each round the ziplines are great for redirecting a push

[hollow crypt]

@open grail what times work for you vis a vis some windfall? I'm currently in gmt and do need to sleep at some point, but I can make most times work with advance notice

[twin mountain]

Oh god I maybe need to come up with some names that don't suck lmao

@tall heart I wanna pick your brains over econ terms today

[tall heart]

Oh? Do tell, I’m always happy to help! I am in the office today so I may be slower to respond than usual, but go for it!

[twin mountain]

i'll message you in the game design channel

[open grail]

I hadn't realized quite how inconvenient GMT is for my work schedule, e.g. on Tuesday I can be online at <t:1762304400:f> and I probably shouldn't commit to anything starting after <t:1762326000:f>, but I'm guessing that rather perfectly corresponds to when you're asleep

[hollow crypt]

how horridly late is the later end of that timeslot for you

[open grail]

11pm

Which is why I'm hesitant to start an hour+ game later than that

[twin mountain]

the last playtest was 1 hour 40 minutes, and that is within my usual design goals

all my games are target 1.5 hours, reasonable maximum 2 hours

[hollow crypt]

oh okay that's a sort of reasonable hour. I can be up at <t:1762232400:T> no problem

I've always been an early riser

[open grail]

Oh excellent!

[twin mountain]

❤️

I'm updatng the template btw

moving overhead costs to a much more readable bottom right corner

no changes in units or mechanics for this batch for you guys

[open grail]

Split the difference and say <t:1762322400:f>? (Tonight is bad for me, so it'll be Tuesday night or later in the week)

[hollow crypt]

i mean the earlier one is genuinely no problem

[open grail]

Oh okay then let's go with <t:1762318800:f>

[hollow crypt]

sounds great

oh I guess that is tuesday night for you lol

weird

[open grail]

Yeah lol

I'm blearily making my coffee for the start of the week over here :P

[hollow crypt]

lol

[twin mountain]

updated the mod

[hollow crypt]

the board is grey 🙏 thank you winged

[twin mountain]

yeah, I immediately noticed like a million ux issues with the last playtest

hopefully this one is less eye burny

also tell me how much easier it is to track operational costs each round when you do play

I'm trying to make that number bigger and separate and logically closer to the action token numbers

I'm probably gonna try and get players to track it with its own separate tracker, but it should be easy to regenerate and sanity check your current total overhead whenever

[hollow crypt]

honestly the red is still a bit garish, personally

[twin mountain]

understandable and noted

darker colours for the map and lighter colours for units are probably what I'm going to settle on

better clarity + you get a better bombed out city vibe

[fallen rune]

This is usually how I do it with wargame terrain painting yeah

[tawny sandal]

There’s an official scenario out for Down Range now, for a GM/Enemy Forces player and 1-3 Marine players, it’s based around assaulting a small-ish town in the made up island nation of Lemuria (along with some random events to keep players on their toes). While I’m hoping he does a update pass on the core rules, since there’s some typos and lack of clarity of things, it’s interesting to see more stuff continuing to come out for it

[tawny sandal]

Also, I continue to love his tiny hotdog men and lil 10mm vehicles

[hollow slate]

Ooh, the 1.0 Trench Crusade rules dropped today

[echo marten]

Did they keep that thing they said they were planning of making Engineers +1 Melee instead of Ranged? As that looks to be kinda...killing my Eire warband.

[twin mountain]

oh damn, time for me to finally pay attention to it

what's the final system look like?

[hollow slate]

Mostly the same, but with more clarification and keywords

I'm checking the IS channel in their discord and they are... going through it

[twin mountain]

oh?

[hollow slate]

In the emotional sense

Though campaigns and terrain got a facelift

Terrain now has archetypes

[fallen rune]

Oh nice

The terrain and mapping rules were my substantive complaint about the game

[echo marten]

I need to get my hands on the 1.0 rules. Apparently something big happened with Eire but I can't see from the discord what it was. XD

Oooh, they can just Buy AP rounds super cheap now

They also can now have Great Axes on infantry instead of the 'no heavy weapons at all'

Which is good as it felt wrong a melee faction couldn't get 2 handed melee weapons

[hollow slate]

Yeah, despite the Engi change, NA is doing well enough, same for heretics

Everyone else needs a once-over, it sounds like

For example, IS's Alchemist Armor... Doesn't actually do that much against the flamethrower

[fallen rune]

Woag, build diversity for HL?

[echo marten]

AP SMGs on Sniper Priests seem fun for Eire.

[tepid steeple]

Hate to interrupt tc posting but warcrow reveals!!!

[echo marten]

Poor unfortunate souls intensifies

[sudden halo]

Those foot knights are sick. Feudom designs keep surprising me.

I think it's the historically based armor.

[tepid steeple]

I like how they all have their own heraldry

[sudden halo]

The tentacle surfers are also very cool.

[echo marten]

The Transelven assault troops going 'Nice armour, look at these abs'

[sudden halo]

I want to see a lot of the scions stuff in a other paint scheme. I think the crimson skin + cream falls flat for me and makes me like them less than I should.

[tepid steeple]

My partner has painted uruk orange and he looks pretty awesome

Is painting

Just noticed the scions have eyes on their abs

[twin mountain]

Is there a video explaining the rules I can watch or is everything too nascent right now

[weary cradle]

chat whats like the maximum height a piece of terrain can be b4 its meaningless

im realizing this may be a broad question

[tepid steeple]

Depends on the like mobility of a game

[autumn sun]

Honestly anything above a foot and a half is effectively meaningless and often a nuisance on the table.

[tepid steeple]

Like um theres a lot of very tall terrain thats been made for games like necromunda but in practice they dont really work cause everything is so slow

[autumn sun]

Did that stop one of the game stores from having a 4ft tall ruined skyscraper? Absolutely the fuck not lmao

[tepid steeple]

Physical requirements of being able to reach is also a consideration

[sudden halo]

Unless you're going for something crazy vertical, anything taller than your tallest game piece is unnecessary

[tepid steeple]

Unless a game mechanises it in some way in tlos the only benefit of height is like parralax effect type things and theres kinda diminishing returns on that

[weary cradle]

still figuring that out but like
28mm, minimum 6" movement

[tepid steeple]

I think a big difference is if you have like

One activation per unit per round

Then spending more than round getting into position is probably gonna feel bad

If a unit can move multiple times in a round, ie effectively a more mobile game, theres a bit more room

[weary cradle]

ic ic makes sense

[tepid steeple]

Whether this is having to access height during the game or its the barrier to units interacting with a unit that can start up there etc

[autumn sun]

General guidelines I see in terrain makers and rules is the height of a given floor is 2-3" depending on scale of models involved. So if you keep to that you can have a broad idea of how tall a building/terrain should be.

If I'm making a building it then depends on if models go inside. Non-internal stuff? Like 2", it's fine, it's more blocking terrain at that point. Internal stuff? Kinda depends on the type of building I'm making--mordheim-style ruins are a little over 2" per floor because I have to account for models moving around in there, usually closer to 2.5".

[weary cradle]

nodnod
think ill stick to a 1-2' range then

[autumn sun]

Sensible. I tend not to go over like 8" unless it's something elaborate or meant to be big and imposing.

[autumn sun]

https://www.trenchcrusade.com/news/the-digital-rules-for-trench-crusade-are-here/ May as well link them.

[hollow slate]

I'm on mobile, so I only have word of mouth

[autumn sun]

http://puu.sh/KDmvp/e8c5db025e.png

[tawny sandal]

Any new history or just rules tweaks?

[twin mountain]

tfw i open the rulebook and flip to the rulebooks and immediately spot an error

[weary cradle]

whats the error

[twin mountain]

well. I guess that goes to show I'm quicker at spotting this stuff

I should really just become an editor

[fallen rune]

If you have initiative you can choose

[weary cradle]

ahh lol

[hollow slate]

Initiative says that you choose, Activation says you go first

[twin mountain]

can choose in section 1, must choose in section 2

[weary cradle]

yea i see it now

[twin mountain]

I'm 3 sentences in and the rules have already broken

[hollow slate]

Section 1 is newer and more accurate, but yeah, it's scuffed

[twin mountain]

just, like, as a 1.0 thing after tons of playtesting

[weary cradle]

yea i was filtering it w the last version of the playtest i read

[twin mountain]

it for sure immediately knocked some wind out of my ornery winged rule sails

[twin mountain]

that's the problem with writing rules yeah

[weary cradle]

honestly i thought this was gonna be another dice typo thing

[fallen rune]

I imagine it’s some kind of versioning issue with previously being able to choose to have initiative

[twin mountain]

oh that I can already see on page 1

[weary cradle]

its the opposite iirc

[twin mountain]

but i'm like, less interested in typos

[weary cradle]

its not a typo

[twin mountain]

"roll a dice" is a typo

[fallen rune]

I forget, does TC have counteracts?

[weary cradle]

i dont believe so but im also not sure what counteract means

[fallen rune]

In this case things to do when you’re outnumbered and getting dogpiled

[weary cradle]

ohhh, no not rly

[fallen rune]

Huh interesting

I guess that makes it riskier to skew elite

Which is prolly good

[weary cradle]

it is funny to me that u could hack trench crusade into a ttrpg

honestly hack is laying it thick, u could just run it as such

[twin mountain]

what's a risky success roll vs a success roll

[weary cradle]

its explained later but failing the risky roll ends the activation basically

[hollow slate]

If you fail a risky roll the models activation ends

[twin mountain]

ok

[weary cradle]

its also kinda buried in the success rolls boxout

[hollow slate]

Okay, yeah, found (one) of the reasons IS players are upset

[weary cradle]

whahappen

[fallen rune]

They don’t get the Axeman in this one

[hollow slate]

Flamethrowers ignore armor, which they've done since playtest, but now they ignore any effects on the armor

Completely and 100% bypassing Alchemist Armor

Which both has the normal negate fire rule, and further protection from fire weapons

[weary cradle]

r the flamethrowers not keyworded w fire

[hollow slate]

They are, but they also have ignore armor

[tawny sandal]

This seems like one of those “special rule supersedes generic rule” things

[hollow slate]

So fireproof armor does jack and shit unless we have some weird caveat

[echo marten]

Oops

[weary cradle]

its two competing special rules

is the thing

does feel unintentional tho

[tawny sandal]

It does need clarification but the intent seems pretty clear in this instance at least

I.e. the fireproof armor should be fireproof

[twin mountain]

alchemy isn't real silly

https://arkhamdb.com/bundles/cards/07115.png

[hollow slate]

Technically one is in the faction rules and the other is in the main book, but one is "armor doesn't apply" and the other is "this armor reduces fire and gas damage weapons"

The House of Wisdom disagrees

[tawny sandal]

Aw crabapples, what am I gonna do with all this lead then

[echo marten]

Drink it

Delicious

[tawny sandal]

I think I might do all my home plumbing with it, if I wasn’t meant to why is it the origin of the term?

[teal cloud]

I'm really not happy with 1.0

[Trench crusade]

[left onyx]

And what am I gonna do with all this aqua vitae?

[left onyx]

What's up with it?

I know you were/are really into TC so I'm interested in your take here

[teal cloud]

Long story short, the changes are just mind boggling

Besides for a few struggling NA factions like Eire, the theme is strong stuff got stronger and weak stuff got weaker

There's also some really blatant typos and obviously broken combos, including ones that had been fixed in playtest

[twin mountain]

oof

that's dire bad code smell

[teal cloud]

For example you can now get two brazen bulls in campaign again, which had been fixed

You can also, uh, give them -3 unreducible armor if you're playing House of Wisdom. If that makes it sound like Iron Sultanate is good, wrong. Everything else in the faction is unchanged or worse lol

[twin mountain]

that's very unfortunate. thanks for the heads up smooth

[teal cloud]

(Okay so the meta IS builds are good but like, list variety is badly flattened with this update)

[fallen rune]

Oh that’s a shame

[twin mountain]

I've always been an antifan of "our game has cool vibes we'll figure the rules out later" design flows

it sounds like they've got problems making good game

[teal cloud]

Other things are that the knights of avaricr got a nerf they didn't need while raiding party got a buff they also didn't need

[fallen rune]

The (perceived) lack of variety was something I didn’t like

[teal cloud]

And Prussia was a S- tier faction that got just flat buffed

Its just like... what is going on at the dev's table

[left onyx]

From Smoothly it sounds like they had rules sorta figured out but then took a step backwards

[twin mountain]

that's not how I remember the KS

[teal cloud]

The current IS cope is that the IS player in the dev team has dice personally blessed by Allah

[twin mountain]

but I may be wrong

[left onyx]

I mean the post-playtest rules, not the rules as of KS

[fallen rune]

I keep reading IS as Inner Sphere Augh

[twin mountain]

oh I see right yes in that sense

[teal cloud]

Okay this one actually annoys me, Jannissary countercharge didn't get changed at all (you get a +1 dice on attack if your first action is a charge) but that's a total nonbo with everything else about the model

[fallen rune]

Aren’t those guys like your basic shooters?

[hollow slate]

No, those are the Azebs, Janissaries are elite shock troops

[tawny sandal]

No, Jannisaries are your special guys

[fallen rune]

Ah ok

[left onyx]

IMO nonbos are weird because sometimes it's "unit is a mess with no direction" sometimes it turns a unit into a wellrounded generalist

[fallen rune]

I haven’t played it much and I only spent a lot of time theorycrafting HL and a little bit of court

[hollow slate]

Still troops, but they get Strong and their (not great) counter charge, most of the time they become your designated snipers since they can easily carry the siege jezails

There's rules for the tits-out bird though!

[compact leaf]

HERE THEY COME

I'm sorry I really need to share these

@tepid steeple KNIGHTS

[hollow slate]

But yeaaaah, probably going to wait for some errata before getting back into TC.

[fallen rune]

Yeah it seems like a mess rn

[hollow slate]

Oof, apparently terrain is all-or-nothing

[fallen rune]

Wym?

[hollow slate]

Players roll off and winner sets up all terrain instead of alternating

[fallen rune]

Oh yeah, I saw that and I didn’t like it

[hollow slate]

And there is a separate roll-off for determining who starts where

[compact leaf]

I think incorporating terrain setup into the initiative roll in the first place is a mistake, tbh

[fallen rune]

I agree, I really prefer neutral or pre-made terrain setups

I don’t love it how many wargames are like “idk you do you” when it comes to terrain

It’s so important

[hollow slate]

The terrain rules were fairly comprehensive before, about alternating terrain, starting with big before going small, etc

[fallen rune]

Yeah I thought it was a pretty good implementation

It wasn’t my favorite but it was a good way to do ad hoc terrain

Esp for TC which I think really benefits from being high-terrain

[sleek trail]

i think games should have terrain set up rules or at least advice

but also preset layout suggestions and the encouragement to have fully premade boards

[teal cloud]

Yeah, TC terrain is really important. There's a number of models that can end the game on the spot if they get an oppressive vantage point

Serpent Assault Gun Sloth Hellknights, artillery witches, and the like

[autumn sun]

Man. This all sounds really bizarre and kind of disappointing.

Like looking through the core rules and it seems solid but like...why roll back changes like that.

[tepid steeple]

Terrain was already my least favourite part of and possibly biggest problem with tc and it sounds like it got even worse oop

[tepid steeple]

Not the whole point but this is just a massive game theory fail

[tepid steeple]

KNIGHTS!!!

The scion unit is so cool too

[tall heart]

If you think about it just hard enough, the thematically appropriate decision would be to schism and make a competing version of Trench Crusade in protest

[sudden halo]

Trench crusade is the pinnacle of that in my mind. It's not as unabashedly hobbyslop as Turnip28 but they're definitely minis and vibes first, game eventually.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I adore the idea of turnip28. But the particular vibes + the idea that it's a competitive game + the fact that it actually isn't has, at least locally, made the community kind of unpleasant to the point that the main champion of the game has washed his hands of it.

[modern snow]

KNIGHTS!!!

[modern snow]

Turnip is permanently soured in my mind because the creator got so toxically butthurt towards Sean Sutter when he made Sludge that it pretty much killed any future passion towards Sludge's development.

[twin mountain]

oh? who's the main champion? or do you mean like a main champion locally to your scene

[sudden halo]

locally

he's also one of our organizers for infinity and not someone who drops involvement on things lightly, so it stood out to me

[twin mountain]

oof

that sucks

I guess, ironically, as a wh replacement they're speedrunning the awkward diorama-trying-to-be-game thing wh has always struggled with

[modern snow]

Speedstumbling more like, if the feedback about 1.0 is anything to go by

[teal cloud]

This came a day after a big shift to plastic only announcement so TC just landed on its face really damn hard

[modern snow]

(I say this not really engaging with TC much so I'm like a super outsider here lol)

[modern snow]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[tawny sandal]

Shift to plastic only?

[twin mountain]

oh dear.

so even the diorama lads aren't happy huh

[sudden halo]

they announced no new STL/3D print releases after they finish the KS deliverables and a a few extras to flesh out the factions

and a full move to plastic

which that's kind of a mixed bag. lots of people would be excited to be able to just buy the minis without the hassle of printing

[autumn sun]

They're also really behind on the deliverables. Which doesn't seem to be their fault overall here, mind, but it's not a good look when the 1.0 ruleset is what's going out to printers and it's looking to be...that.

[sudden halo]

but lots of people also like the accessibility of printing. but bad rules drop will do a lot to damper any excitement the plastic minis might have generated

[tawny sandal]

Now thats really disappointing to hear

Rules can be fixed, but insisting on that is very disappointing

[tepid steeple]

Tc really is a like. Art focused (and sold) game and they’ve seemingly fumbled every other single aspect (namely like, lore, official minis, mechanics)

Which will really suck if they outright fail because like

There was a lot of community emotion and cash invested there

In a way that like hasnt existed for wargames I dont think, in comparison to ttrpgs and board games

[twin mountain]

it has seemed like a breath of fresh air to wh fans in particular

because I guess they want something that's gnarly like wh but isn't so fash adjacent

or hasn't been so happy to cozy up to fash gamers for so long

[tepid steeple]

But also the only ppl who I saw playing it at my local were stinky and loud men

[twin mountain]

oof :x

so. not doing a great job pulling in nice new blood then huh?

even wren mentioned a toxic community

[autumn sun]

WH players got excited because it's grimdark, not fashy, and seems to scratch that same itch Mordheim did (even has the original dev on it).

But, well...

[tepid steeple]

Honestly I think when it comes down to it the only difference between tc and gw is that gw dont run any community forums to kick ppl out of 😅

[twin mountain]

ouch

🫂

[tepid steeple]

I mean tc also dont have a 50 year history for context so its not just that but like

Idk

[twin mountain]

well. I know it's not the same thing at all but on a positive note, I'll say that hey: mobile arms really fucks and @modern snow is truly lovely and also is actively looking for playtesters right now, so if people wanna take some of their wargaming energy to happier climes that's a lovely place to start

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/black-site-studios/mobile-arms/updates/6

https://discord.com/channels/569928330510467072/889940149163675698

cosu was just dropping the latest set of new cards in the bss server the other day

(also if anyone wants to help test horrible ashley chess shit, my windfall prototype is going well enough that playtesters are just playing it without me)

[modern snow]

Hey, I need to playtest that!

[potent wyvern]

ah man i did not know that

[twin mountain]

do you WANT to playtest horrible chess shit

because I do think i'm an excellent designer but also I like making weird fucking games compared to the norm haha

and mobile arms made me think you were more into the less abstract more evocative stuff

[twin mountain]

oh damn I missed this, wait, the turnip guy killed some other project? sludge?

[autumn sun]

Sludge seems to still be getting stuff so I don't think killed.

But they do share similarities in terms of visuals and overall themes so I think it's a case of like...sour grapes?

[twin mountain]

oh! sean sutter is the relicblade guy?

he seems so nice

why would anyone be mean to the relicblade guy

[autumn sun]

No clue, I can't seem to find anything about it.

[modern snow]

nah it's more like Sean lost the passion to work on sludge because Turnip guy was being sour about what he saw as someone encroaching on his turf

[autumn sun]

Oh, that sucks.

[modern snow]

yeah it be that way sometimes

Sludge is already pretty great as-is though and the two armies sean sculpted are awesome

I love the gore mechanic as a concept

[modern snow]

FWIW it's also got the allure of "getting in on the ground floor" of something they have nostalgia (whether genuine or artificial) for.

[autumn sun]

I mean yeah it's why I backed it for the core book because Mordheim was a foundational game for me.

But now I'm like "eeeh..."

[left onyx]

Yeah this is a lot of people but also the whole "get the STLs and you can just make your own" was a big draw to a bunch of people who got in on TC early

I can see how it's been a issue

[left onyx]

Okay yeah looked up Sludge and it seems rad

[twin mountain]

What's the gore mechanic? :o

[compact leaf]

Penny I found their profile (and all the other ones too)

:3

*not final

Oop-
Sorry for invading!

[tepid steeple]

Ooooh

Oh yeah this got shared in my local server but I hadnt read it yet oops haha

[modern snow]

so as units die, they deposit gore based on the severity of their death. as gore piles accumulate, they emanate a passive debuff to the morale of units within a certain distance (It's been a while so I forget the exact measurement used)

but the point was that battlefield violence had real, tangible, lasting consequences and troops were more likely to break coherency and run if the horrors of war got to them.

[tepid steeple]

Oh thats really interesting

Definitely makes sense as a consideration

[modern snow]

of course you get things like veterans or beasts that are much less affected by gore or attacks that generate additional gore like.. a cannonball for instance

[autumn sun]

http://puu.sh/KDnDT/93a31e0069.png

Ah, yeah that's kinda interesting.

[echo marten]

Oooh, Liberated. Playing more into the Scions as underdogs with some of the new units.

[tepid steeple]

Theyre the tentacle guys :)

They seem kinda similar to the harvester in some ways but hes like a golem so

[compact leaf]

To me the wildest profiles from these in each faction are the Tutor, Magister, and Walker of the Leaf Storm

In particular the first and last

[tepid steeple]

I bring this

Walker of the leaf storm is really cool though

Ummm the magister is really cool and like how it uses the high commands design space

Im interested to see how all these chain activation abilities end up working in a game

[compact leaf]

Thank you!!
I was wondering where she was

Oh

Wow she is
Disgusting

[tepid steeple]

Haha

[compact leaf]

I found this

[echo marten]

Dammit Navi.

[tepid steeple]

Terrifying

[twin mountain]

oooh

[compact leaf]

We just have to wait for our scary unit that runs people over..
Syenann having it right off the bat has helped that a lot

[tepid steeple]

Mace escorts are pretty good tbf

But yeah the yew just nerf you so much

I find the two health bar lady pretty scaryy

Oh right the rowan is once per game that makes sense why hers is free

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

[compact leaf]

Oh yeah, I've found one of their best purposes is just dumping loads of stress onto stuff via chain charging

Seems the Foot Knights are going to be built to do that as well

[tepid steeple]

I really like the syzigians stress clear with their massive stress capacity

[compact leaf]

It's so good..

I do wonder if Sysigian is going to start finding a home inside a second unit of foot knights instead of mace escorts though

[tepid steeple]

Maybe!

I feel like the unit restrictions on the knight of the sacred relic and morgane are a little odd

Since everything else has just been infantry

[echo marten]

I need to get more into playing Warcrow so I can evaluate units worth a damn. I really like the new Liberated visually and they look like they bounce about like pingpong balls wrecking shit but I'm not yet any good at telling if something is good

[tepid steeple]

So their push is an action so it like

Will only usually happen if they get locked in combat I think

[compact leaf]

Yeah they.. they are

[tepid steeple]

They have pretty good dice though, and dealing stress directly is nice. I think most of the time they’ll like

Demoralise someone and theyll be frightened for that check which is pretty good

Depending on their target

[compact leaf]

Something I'm struggling to evaluate is the commander, especially as there is only one knight that can fully benefit from its passive

[tepid steeple]

Oh wait green is better than blue

I always get that the wrong way around

I guess they can bounce out of combat into engaging someone else and then push+attack the next activation

Wait at the end of the target’s activation????

Is that right???

on the commander

[compact leaf]

Yes indeed

So
It's very good for positioning

But if you're engaged or something then..

[tepid steeple]

So like as long you end within 7 you can rest all over the place. And pass your rolls

[compact leaf]

It's a skill, not an action

It's move or a skill, is the whole thing

You can't just
Choose to rest

[tepid steeple]

Huh?

[compact leaf]

Unit cards have skills on them

Those are what it's referring to

[tepid steeple]

No his thing says rest

[compact leaf]

Oh

You're right

How'd I miss that

[tepid steeple]

Haha

[compact leaf]

My brain deleted the entire first part of it

[tepid steeple]

It is a little move though as a result

[compact leaf]

Mhm

[tepid steeple]

But yeah that is what skill means hmmm

[compact leaf]

I guess it's our stress management character?

[tepid steeple]

Sacred relics skill is pretty swell though

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

KotSR really likes it

[tepid steeple]

Right or move I missed that cause it was a newline

[compact leaf]

You can charge and then hit something with the big hammer and debuff it

[tepid steeple]

By our powers combined

We can read one whole sentence

[compact leaf]

We'd be too powerful otherwise

Oookay so three options

[tepid steeple]

I like his command ability

[compact leaf]

Rest, move, or skill

[tepid steeple]

If he joins a unit

But then you dont get his passive

[compact leaf]

Yar..

No spellcasting either

[tepid steeple]

But a 12 stride bubble is enough to cover two objectives on a lot of missions

[compact leaf]

A lot of Feudom characters really feel like they want to leave their units

At some point

[tepid steeple]

Mm. I only realised how that works relatively recently

Like in terms of how the activation tokens are placed

[compact leaf]

It's pretty useful if you're using him to go after backlines. I've been thinking maybe he goes into guardians?
Morgane could just as easily though..

[tepid steeple]

Ive popped out my syzigian before to shoot ppl while being protected by his escorts

[compact leaf]

Oh cute

Maybe his command ability is also capable of turning the tide in the midfield..

[tepid steeple]

Oh he can like

[compact leaf]

I'm not experienced enough to know how often it comes down to 1 conquest

[tepid steeple]

Flip an objective that you take with a 0 conquest guy

I guess

Like

[compact leaf]

The spell is pretty notable as well

[tepid steeple]

Yeah like in general flipping an objective thats only held because they were there first

[compact leaf]

Funny how they've made it a spell instead of an ability you roll for, I guess Feudom also uses prayers to coordinate their troops

[compact leaf]

Yar..

[tepid steeple]

Yeah I was surprised he was a spellcaster

[compact leaf]

I do wonder if we wait on playing 2 foot knights

Since a Genevieve list probably wants mounted ones as well

Guh..

Have to wait..

[compact leaf]

Oh
Reading tutor again

That command ability

Eugh

I don't want to deal with that

[twin mountain]

@gusty basalt

[celest root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oreCrgx-Q8

[potent wyvern]

https://kabewski-games.itch.io/flak-arcana

[sleek trail]

great presentation out the gate

big fan

[hollow slate]

Got my next wave of Obsidian Protocol stuff!

Christ the mat is big

... Well, not going to be using that at home, lol

The parts inside seem all right at least

[distant roost]

Is the Deterrent cost of 65 supposed to represent an all in area denial? That's a big buy in

[twin mountain]

yes it does kill everything in 9 spaces

it is pretty expensive

[distant roost]

That's one way to send a message while up on points, that's a fun one

[celest root]

Ooooooo

[compact leaf]

It updated again!

[distant roost]

Yeah the new update's great, not only do the paper dolls look neat, a full list imports to TTS in like 30 seconds and the rest is just grabbing ammo tokens

[twin mountain]

Oh hell yeah!

[sudden halo]

oh nice! i picked up a core set when ignition core got the un stuff in stock (and i realized the mechs were a great size for mobile arms frames), so i've been reading the rules for OP

[umbral prawn]

Pilot text is still not readable, though

[orchid tulip]

Iirc I need to delete my cache to "update" the list buiilder, right?

[distant roost]

Yeah clearing cookies and doing a hard refresh with CTRL+F5 would be the recommendation if it's not showing up new

[orchid tulip]

The Ctrl+F5 fixed it for me

They still haven't updated Onyx's text....

[distant roost]

I mentioned this to the app dev over on the Ember: OP Discord and the dev is working on making the text easier to read so hopefully this should be better soon
Edit: looks like the update is to add outlines to the text, that was a fast update!

[distant roost]

This got fixed too today after I passed on the report so if you have any other bugs you see in the current builder, it's worth a mention

[orchid tulip]

Encountered a weird bug with regards to this bug actually, it didn't update the card until I removed/changed Onyx

But that is very minor

[distant roost]

Yeah I had the same situation

[compact leaf]

Still no combined PDF though..

[tepid steeple]

Sooon

Tm

[compact leaf]

We’d also like to share two very important details: from now on, the unit profile information published in the official CorvuSphere app takes priority over printed cards. Additionally, the team is still working on the unified version of the rulebook, which is now in its final editing and translation phase.

!!!!

There it is!!

[tepid steeple]

Mm

I think a lot of the corvus sphere updates were fixes for this too

Some of them are changes though

I think

[compact leaf]

There are indeed a few changes

[twin mountain]

oh thank god

we're close

also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZNupSAhKsQ

[autumn sun]

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/marcher-marches-closer-and-a-big-campaign

[signal orbit]

Marcher mention!

I love GDG's kits

[autumn sun]

They look neat!

[signal orbit]

Their Commander's Armory stl pack has been super useful for kitbashing my WW1-inspired sci-fi soldiers

A collection of all the small arms and other bits of gear for their infantry models, with all of the shells intact for maximum digital kitbashibility

[tawny sandal]

Printed a HMMWV and a JLTV and I have approximately a platoon’s-worth of lil hotdog soldiers on the way

So that’s cool

[tawny sandal]

Also, does anyone have any recommendations on a primer color for US army vehicle desert tan?

[ocean holly]

Pink

[tawny sandal]

[ocean holly]

Only half joking

i know pink is a good prime for yellow, which tan is similar to, and also

[tawny sandal]

I mean, fun history thing, one of the noted differences between the original CADPAT design and MARPAT is that MARPAT removed the tiny pink part

[tawny sandal]

To be clear I more meant the recent stuff, not wwii

[ocean holly]

Ahhhh, whoop

[fallen rune]

I think you can just get tan or taupe primers these days

[tawny sandal]

Oh, I more was wondering what brand y’all recommend

[twin mountain]

[umbral prawn]

Game!
I really want to play more, but can't until December

[tepid steeple]

I read this and played through the ‘exercises’ from the book on tts its pretty cool

Team plays are pretty dope

[twin mountain]

ooh there are exercises?

@forest pier btw temporal I'd love to take your help with some basic scripting for a game I'm making

[ocean holly]

ASL has been Got!!!!

[stable pelican]

played MCP with Web Warriors

against brotherhood of mutants

i won 19-16

round 2 i spent 2 tactics (clean up (peter parker and flash thompson to gain each others passive) + masked menace)

i web swinged amazing spiderman into the enemies and attacked magneto for energy. after i done that i spent 3 energy for webbed up which made me slowed all his characters

and dazed magneto, angel and toad in the same turn but lost gwenom

it was a really tough game for my opponent

but rngesus decided

[celest root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8c9itJ36m4

[hollow slate]

Trench Crusade got a 1.01 update, a lot of fixes, including to Iron Sultanate stuff

[twin mountain]

Oh? Good enough to invest in? 1.0 just kinda gave the impression they really didn't know what they were doing

[hollow slate]

At work, so I haven't been able to look at it, but from what I understand it was mostly fixes

[distant roost]

Does the fireproof armor block fire again

[hollow slate]

It specifically does, yes

And several other Sultanate gear got fixed, like allowing the assassins dagger to let you use a dash to retreat, allowing the assassins to properly hit and run

[echo marten]

I hope there's a change log, I'd really prefer not to do a 1:1 comparison

[autumn sun]

The 1.0 probably got shipped to the printers already too.

[hollow crypt]

How did they manage that one

[hollow slate]

How it works now is a flamethrower will go through alchemical armor modifier, but gets -1 damage dice and no extra blood markers

Though I'd need to read the rules text to clarify that last part, the "negate fire" part may be ignored, but hey

Also pistols are back to using ranged stats when in melee, so gunslinger alchemists are back on the menu

[twin mountain]

oof.

[autumn sun]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1405364378/trench-crusade/posts/4545725 yeah production for the book finished, rip

http://puu.sh/KEboV/68a09d3480.png

[echo marten]

This makes my Sniper Priests happy again.

[hollow slate]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1B8vuPvWSubmoiCjKbJKADQv-tnRhd_79U2OyqSio168/mobilebasic

Community has one going

Color-coded based on what is doing the changes, main text is for 1.0

[twin mountain]

They couldn't even publish one themselves?

😬

[hollow slate]

Not that I've found

[twin mountain]

I think I'm gonna just have to leave trench crusade in the "devs are not cooking" bucket for now and wait on it to stabilize a lot more

Unfortunate

[compact leaf]

That's.. yeah..

My local scene is planning a campaign and I've declared my interest, but I'm holding off on actually touching the game until the rules are in a better spot

[tawny sandal]

I think it’ll probably end up fine, but it’s sucks for the official launch to be this much of a mess

[hollow slate]

I guess I'm the opposite, where the fixes give me back the desire to play

I already knew how much the launch fucked up, and was just waiting for the mess to be cleaned up

[twin mountain]

that's super reasonable. it's really a question of how much you're interested in the game-as-thing-in-front-of-you vs game-as-thing-maintained-by-people

I have friends who play smash bros and oh my god I will never play smash bros

never seen a more hostile dev team in my life. game makers actively hate you and want you to stop playing and will send hit squads against any sufficiently large mass of players in the same location

but the game is good I am told

it's also the big reason I'm kinda waiting on warcrow

I think warcrow is cooking but they're uh. slow cooking. got that dutch oven going

[crude lodge]

what's trench raid?

sounds ww1ish

[compact leaf]

Soon winged, sooooon

I do have to give that team props for understanding that the first rulebook needed significant restructuring

Just uhh
Making up and entire new rulebook structure from scratch and also translating it into two different languages is time consuming ._.

[tepid steeple]

Youd think

[twin mountain]

it's okay to take time

if anything I'm kinda sad i'm too busy to really play mobile arms

😭

but hey i'm busy cause i'm making a game so that's nice

[modern snow]

the right kind of busy!

[sudden halo]

Aces seems like a pretty cool engine. I prefer classic to alpha strike but I bet it's pretty easily adaptable.

[compact leaf]

And so..
Till arrives at a satellite tournament..

[stable pelican]

if i were ever to play Xmen / uncanny X men / X force i will need 3rd party models of the characters to look slavic so it will fit my theme of Russian Xmen (meme)

[signal birch]

Trench Crusade: I don't think it is a recent change but Strong no longer letting you one hand ranged weapons makes one of my warbands much less impressive, it made it a lot easier to get the maximum armor stacking on "Strong" units.

On the other hand, that may be good for game balance

[hollow slate]

It’s never done that in the time I’ve played

You just have to have your eye out for shield combo guns

Though I’m used to Brazen Bull, where all it’s bespoke gear is 1-handed so it’s easy to tack on a shield

[sudden halo]

Good luck! Big 2 day events are a lot of fun!

[tepid steeple]

Good luckkk

[compact leaf]

We'll try!

I'm nerfing myself by playing a faction I've barely played but it'll be fiiine

[tepid steeple]

Hehe temper expectations

[native portal]

GLHF

[signal birch]

Right, appart from the Bull I guess that would be the heavy shotgun, maybe some other (heavy) weapon that I am not remebering at the moment?

[hollow slate]

Shield combo is one of those things that’s on a per-warband basis; shotguns, SMGs, and assault shotguns usually have them

[signal birch]

Yes, but heavy + shield combo is pretty rare 🙂

[solemn steeple]

I kind of want to make a hollow knight miniatures game

[compact leaf]

End of day 1, we are at 1 win and 2 losses

Which.. given the handicaps I'm dealing with is exactly how I expected this to go

[compact leaf]

Actually I expected this to go worse-

[distant roost]

Tournaments are intense! As long as it's fun, that's a win in and of itself!

[compact leaf]

My brain..
Mush..

2 day events hardd

[sudden halo]

What's your mission set?

[compact leaf]

In order

• Corporate Appropriation (win)
• Akial Interference (loss)
• Hardlock (loss)
• Critical Intervention
• Area of Interest

The last two are tomorrow

[sudden halo]

fun! i haven't played many of the new missions, and we played some of them before they were revised to make them make sense

[compact leaf]

I think they're neat

[sudden halo]

It's really nice not constantly playing unmasking at every event now.

[crude lodge]

What game is this?

[sudden halo]

Infinity

[tawny sandal]

Quote from the King in Yellow, who is very tired of all the questions at fancy balls

[tepid steeple]

My local group is running an event next month which is 400 points and youre only allowed one combat group

Its really difficult to make good lists haha

[sudden halo]

TAG city

I've seen a fan ruleset that's 400 points, majority points must be TAGs that also increases the AVA of the various light TAGs so all factions can participate.

[toxic patrol]

wonder what the venn diagram is for infinity/CB and lancer fans

[compact leaf]

Another win and a loss for day 2, my placing remains the exact same

Second game was just a dice game sadly :(

[tepid steeple]

What faction did you play?

[compact leaf]

Imperial service
Which made it to top 10!
But not piloted by me

I gotta rejig my lists, it was my first time playing them and I learned a lot

[tepid steeple]

Thats pretty good for experience !

[sudden halo]

2-3 isn't bad, especially for a new faction! Do you play 2 day events often? They're brutal but also a ton of fun IMO

[compact leaf]

It's my first one ever, first satellite too.
I'm used to one day tournaments with like.. 8 people

So 2-3 is actually better than I was expecting

Cause like.
The psychic damage from being in a room with 41+ other people for 8 hours is real, and + new faction + players that were all making the top at the end

Owie

[sudden halo]

It's a really unique experience, and incredibly draining but I love it.

I did my first one this January and now I do one every 3-4 months now.

Im about to start prepping again for one, our local satellite rolls back around the last weekend of Jan

[compact leaf]

Heck yea

I think I'd go again
But it is a lot

[sudden halo]

I usually take breaks from infinity after each one to play other games for a while to decompress before I prep from the next one.

[ocean holly]

What would I need to get into Bolt Action?

[tawny sandal]

The rules, a dice bag and dice, 28mm WWII dudes (any source), and either different colored dice or chits to mark suppression and activation

Oh and different colored dice from your opponent

[hollow slate]

I figured out why my Obsidian Protocol playmat seemed so damn large

Turns out it's because it is actually just bigger than the fold-out board that came with the first wave

That one is 12x12, the mat is 16 by 16

So, the entire map, plus two extra on each side

[distant roost]

Oh yeah the 12x12 one is 36 inches or so so the full 1200mm super mat is about 4 foot

[ocean holly]

https://us.warlordgames.com/products/bolt-action-starter-set-gentlemans-war-desert-rats-bundle?variant=43233372602437
https://us.warlordgames.com/products/afrika-korps-starter-army

Thoughts?

[tawny sandal]

Seems reasonable enough, I’ll be honest that I’ve not played much Blot Action

I recall that Warlord Games has pretty reasonable prices for their kits as far as what you get in them

[native portal]

Stuff is cool but I'll be the boring nerd and say find out what people near you play

Unless you're gonna make both sides and bring it to your local scene