Indie+Alternative Wargaming

[twin mountain]

they'd run around every channel getting mad at people calling fantasy species dwarves

when they weren't dwarfy enough for their personal dwarf tastes

[sleek trail]

i mean, i'm not interested in doing that kind of thing

[twin mountain]

okay, good

that is the most important thing

with that my stakes are clear

[sleek trail]

yeah that clears it up

sorry for appearing to do that kind of thing! absolutely not my intention. I'm not interested in trying to hard find the space of the taxonomy of wargames, or whatever

i just want to make sure that when we are talking about wargames we are engaging with this divide between two very distinct styles of game, which i think has actually lead to pointless debates in the past

[orchid tulip]

We need more skirmish games, imo

[sleek trail]

i think someone needs to make an army scale game thats good

[fallen rune]

DTIC has some pretty good army scalers

[tepid steeple]

someone makes a skirmish game with army scale models

[orchid tulip]

6mm skirmish game?

[sleek trail]

i mean 28mm has army scale games

i hate fucking scale. worst goddamn word in this hobby. endless amounts of confusion

[tepid steeple]

I do mean like 6mm yeah in the sense of like. The models then add up to 'an army' despite mechanically being more related to skirmish stuff

[sleek trail]

when i said army scale i meant scale of conflict. 40k is an army scale game, at least in common usage in spaces im in.

the masses cry out for 40k but good (i tease)

[orchid tulip]

Good is very subjective tho

[tepid steeple]

but that's kinda what I'm saying is that like, games with the number of agents of 40k are one thing while the number of people they represent is a whole other thing

[sleek trail]

yeah

[tepid steeple]

making a skirmish game with small models multibased doesn't actually solve the problem

[sleek trail]

i think honestly a big issue with 40k is you cant really move units as a block

theres no easy version of the rank-and-flank movement tray

[fallen rune]

Oh, I misunderstood

[sleek trail]

words are the constant nemesis in this hobby

its like when you say 28mm scale everyone gets confused.

half the time people think it means base size

[orchid tulip]

There is also the discussion of 28mm Heroic vs non-Heroic

[fallen rune]

I usually think of 40K as company scale haha

So I was thinking about big operational level wargames

[sleek trail]

company scale is probably a better word for it

[sleek trail]

i wish we used ratios like civilized hobbies

or just adopted model train scale

at least you cant get mislead. just confused

[orchid tulip]

Epic/LI is more army scale than normal 40k, ye?

[sudden halo]

I think of 40k as skirmish scale, though I know that's not a common way to think about it outside of historical circles.

[sleek trail]

it certainly used to be closer to what people even in the non-historical gaming space would call skirmish

actually, do historical gamers have a word for what we would call skirmish?

[fallen rune]

I think those are usually like bn or regimental? They’re still tactical games

[orchid tulip]

For me, normal 40k feels to large for skirmish size, but I can see the argument for it being skirmish

[fallen rune]

What I linked is a kind of unusual but also prototypical operational division scale game which is closer to army

[sudden halo]

Usually hear it as like small gang or individual combat games.

[sleek trail]

a true "army scale" game would be on the strategic level, i presume

[sleek trail]

small gang is decent

doesnt have the snap of "skirmish wargame" though

[sudden halo]

True. And now if you say skirmish, everyone knows what you mean.

[sleek trail]

but also, as demonstrated, we don't have a good word for what the scale of 40k is

[orchid tulip]

Infinity is borderline skirmish for me, Necromunda and E:OP are definitely skirmish

[sudden halo]

The problem is on the other end. When you say mass battle wargame, does the person mean 40k or do they mean Legions or do they mean something that escews 1:1 representation entirely.

[orchid tulip]

BN meaning batalion?

[fallen rune]

Yeah

[fallen rune]

Idk I think company scale is pretty good

40K TO&Es being nonsense aside

[sudden halo]

I'm curious what you're looking for. Because I feel like there's an absolute trove of modern skirmish wargames out there. Anything you think is missing?

[orchid tulip]

Not sure, just want to see more of them

[tepid steeple]

more. MOre

[sudden halo]

The good news is development of skirmish games isn't slowing down

Small miniatures scales aren't very popular and most people don't want to paint a large army's worth of large minis for a single game, so it's the main space where new games are coming out.

[orchid tulip]

Large number of models is why I have stopped wanting to do 40k

[twin mountain]

Unrelated to the previous conversation - does anyone know any quantized space tacshoot games that don't use node maps? Hmm

[orchid tulip]

Lemme have my 10 bozos and their pets

[sudden halo]

If you do have something in specific you would like to know if it exists, let us know, I'm not the most plugged into the indie space but I know a lot and I know others who are very very plugged in.

[sudden halo]

Halo Flashpoint?

[distant roost]

What's a node map in this context?

[sudden halo]

And the generic equivalent, Deadzone.

[twin mountain]

Nodes where units can stand and they move to other nodes

[orchid tulip]

Quantized space tacshoot?

[twin mountain]

Tannhauser maps

Let me check halo flashpoint

[sudden halo]

It uses a square grid, with free unit placement within the grid for cover and such.

[twin mountain]

Fascinating, thank you

That's what I'm looking for yeah

[hollow crypt]

I think that R6 game uses a grid

[twin mountain]

Stuff like level 7 Omega protocol

Ooh okay

[sudden halo]

I've played it 2-3 times now and like it more every time I play it. It's the best all-in-one-box miniature wargame ive played that still allows for expanding into the hobby stuff if you want but doesn't require it.

Which is kind of a narrow set of considerations but as someone big into the hobby aspect that has a lot of friends that are more into typical board games, having something that can cross over is very cool.

[orchid tulip]

Deadzone or Halo Flash?

[sudden halo]

Halo, but they're the same game under the hood.

Just different settings

[sleek trail]

the semi-freeform nature of flashpoint/deadzone is interesting

though i do have my natural aversion to grids. but i think its a very interesting compromise

to say compromise even implies like. a loss

its not

its a very cool synergy of design styles

[twin mountain]

"Mantic deadzone"?

[sleek trail]

yeah

[orchid tulip]

?? Unsure about this question

[twin mountain]

name

[orchid tulip]

Ah

I have only ever seen it as Deadzone

[sudden halo]

Mantic is the company that makes it.

So it usually gets tacked on.

[orchid tulip]

I get that it is company behind it, just not seen it tacked on. Like how you usually don't say Games Workshop 40k or Corvus Belli Infinity

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q58ceMSgZ5k

everyone seems to call it mantic deadzone or deadzone by mantic

[orchid tulip]

I was gonna use PP Warmachine as an example but that kind falls flat as they no longer make the game

[sleek trail]

i think theres some other stuff called Deadzone

[orchid tulip]

98% of how I have seen the name

[sleek trail]

so its a search engine thing

[orchid tulip]

50% of my LGS E:OP stock has been bought

[sudden halo]

I've held off on looking too closely at OP since it's not widely available. I don't have the self control to avoid wasting days scouring the internet for mechs at not scalper prices.

But the idea is quite interesting. It being on a square grid throws me off, because it looks quite rigid, but the kits are super cool and hearing the chatter about it in here it sounds like it's doing a bunch of stuff I like.

[distant roost]

If you'd like to get some flight time on the TTS mod there's plenty of opportunities, it runs pretty smooth

[twin mountain]

hrngh

both deadzone and halo flashpoint use "get down and look around from your mini's perspective" cover rules

i'll check out rainbow

[sleek trail]

im surprised they don't use silhouette systems

weird to quantify certain aspects and not others

[autumn sun]

Very weird, considering Kings of War uses "unit heights" for line of sight.

[twin mountain]

Okay rainbow is what I'm looking for, thanks Tron

[hollow crypt]

I think you brought it to my attention originally :p neat to hear it's good, I might give it a look

used to play a bunch of r6

[sleek trail]

speed, maybe?

dont need to sub in a silhouette if theres any lack of clarity

[autumn sun]

Eeeeh maybe? But it does lead to some fiddly nonsense.

Admittedly it is skirmish-level stuff so you're operating on a small board with often limited terrain.

https://www.manticgames.com/news/kings-of-war-4th-edition-the-movement-phase/ oh speaking of KoW: I like these changes to movement.

[sleek trail]

from the deadzone free quickstart: surely theres an easier way to do this

like this feels even more fiddly* than any model part tlos or silhouettes

[autumn sun]

They really could just give models heights here and it'd be fine, ugh.

Malifaux does this!

you have the base size and then a column dictated like above but with a definitive size for the model.

[twin mountain]

"in reality"

:c

Hate reading that in my games

[twin mountain]

Love how they don't even use the full head in their own example

[sleek trail]

unfortunately i believe that line is written for a certain type of tlos gamer who is broadly extinct nowadays

but who very strictly played as "line of sight is drawn from the eyes and line of fire is drawn from the weapon"

the only real response you can give to refute that is one that argues it doesnt make sense in reality, i think

[sleek trail]

i've always liked how malifaux does it

very snappy

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQI9pgEMka0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_WEnvUHmBM @hollow crypt @native portal @digital bay

[sudden halo]

They do, but those are still a variant of true line of sight, rather than a 2d system or other way of doing it.

[sleek trail]

yeah but how winged described it i presumed it was harder tlos, which it was

2d feels ideal for speed in something like deadzone, though

[sudden halo]

The way to deal with something like that is to just establish ahead of time what's tall enough to block a model and what isn't and then state your intent when you place the model.

As far as if you're "hiding" or if you're "peeking"

[sleek trail]

frustrating

[twin mountain]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3574265745

https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-reviews-greathelm-a-micro-skirmish-game-of-chivalric-fantasy/ @stray breach @modern snow @native portal @digital bay @fast glade @toxic trench @violet sonnet

https://d1w82usnq70pt2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/IMG_0130-1024x768.jpg

tiny ass lil game!

roll some dice and put it on your action spaces

https://d1w82usnq70pt2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/image156.png

Players take it in turns activating any model they like on the table to perform actions that correlate to the initiative step. Players take it in turns to activate models starting at Initiative Step 6 until each of their dice in that Step are spent before moving onto Step 5, and so on. Instead of activating a model in that step a player can move that dice to the next step below, giving you the option to always have dice available to attack but depending on your roll it might take a few actions until you get to swing. During initiative step 6 models are able to be activated to Run to move 6″ but that’s all they can do! You are free to keep activating the same model multiple times in a turn without any penalty but if they rush up the table then they’re sure to be outnumbered with allies too far back to help, and that will always end badly

https://d1w82usnq70pt2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/42png.png

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14033512716641707217/7661BAA2C0FD2828218D85D8BC932D88506E2914/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

I'm really interested in like, terrainless or terrain-unnecessary games where you get interesting geometric tactical puzzles made entirely out of player pieces

and this nails it

it's like a zoomed in magnifying glass on the center board moonstone megaskirmish that happens in every moonstone game

https://d1w82usnq70pt2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/09/IMG_0139-1024x768.jpg

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1674560143/greathelm kickstarter currently running, i'm backing this

[distant roost]

The deadliest geometric puzzle - the rugby scrum

[distant roost]

This rules and anything that tracks momentum on charging in gets bonus points from me

[native portal]

Looks hilarious

[twin mountain]

it does!!!

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/050/966/786/1594fe6081dbc6f91ab03ad8abe2dcfa_original.png?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=100&v=1758728888&width=680&sig=z5%2FViXJ8SiwotV3c0%2FUpy4ox8%2FIFYED%2BoNyB%2FSEnK5A%3D

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/050/975/031/aff154704e42dea6037a9b5e1fa0ddb9_original.png?fit=scale-down&origin=ugc&q=100&v=1758778879&width=680&sig=YkE4v2yUd2pZCiIpzyBJlfE2e0P%2FoAnjn3jEBAh01Lo%3D

and it's gonna get Even Funnier™

[modern snow]

I've been chatting with malev about some more offbeat whacky reskins

the standouts being a white-blood-cells-versus-viruses skirmish in the human body, a tron-inspired disc war, and cavemen

he may legit call the cavemen reskin Ungabunga

[twin mountain]

loll

that's so cute

[twin mountain]

had a brain tickle and went and looked this up - hey it may be racist. I know it's a thing in the fighting game community but it may have originally come from making fun of australian aboriginals

[distant roost]

Yeah seconding it's a phrasing that's got issues

[modern snow]

Oof yeah nvm then

So stoked for malev. Over 1k backers!

[twin mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-ps3-gif-door-gif-7633523

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/black-site-studios/mobile-arms/updates/5

this is not a drill

tts is now live

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3450781498

i can't wait to run some games

wish all this didn't hit while i was still recovering from the plague

gonna refresh myself on the like 2 pages of rules and then probably run some games

https://tenor.com/view/bird-dance-erithacus-rubecula-melophilus-robin-gif-3386261060164636384

[twin mountain]

omg

just spotted BT273_SHINOBI

[stable pelican]

bolt is actioned

[left moss]

US paras?

[stable pelican]

ye

[tawny sandal]

God the M3 Lee is such a good ass tank

Apparently autocorrect has its own opinions, because I was trying to type “goofy”

[left moss]

both is true

[twin mountain]

Long workday but I wanna try running some ma tonight

Has anyone here played billion suns

I wonder what wargames look like when people can just deploy anywhere

[modern snow]

@sudden halo and I played a ton of Warcaster, which sorta explores that concept? You have warp gates you can deploy from, collapse, move elsewhere more strategic, etc

[sudden halo]

The definitely get different. More interactive at many stages. Much lower ability to actually do the things you want to do.

Of course it depends a lot on other parts of the game, like how often you can deploy and how many reserve units you have.

[twin mountain]

Oooh I didn't know warcaster did that

[sudden halo]

But Warcaster has a very RTS feel. All of your units except heroes are disposable, because you can resummon them if they die, and often act just as a launching point for you to throw out a warpgate to get things into better position.

[twin mountain]

That is fascinating

[sudden halo]

It uses a fully closed economy. You get 7 Arc and that's always in play somewhere.

So allocating it to gates means you aren't buffing units and your spells don't hit as hard. But it does mean you can have fresh troops show up at any gate that has enough arc.

Warcaster is a very good game, just didn't get the lifespan to get all the way polished. Corey and I have talked about making a community edition or an open source/minis agnostic equivalent.

It's pretty close to being a 2d game as well. Verticality rules are "advanced" and kind of seem tacked on just since it's a game played with minis and people expect it.

[twin mountain]

Damn

I am very interested

In stealing from it I mean

[sand sonnet]

Warcaster's biggest failure was it's launch date.

It just ran face first into the pandemic.

[echo marten]

I imagine part of it was also being a successor game to a game where some of their creative decisions hadn't done wonders for support from the fanbase of the previous game.

[tepid steeple]

Speaking of verticality I really like moonstone’s use of it

Or rules for it I guess

For one cause I like that if you have a hero character with an arcane buff/support ability they get better at using it if you stand em up on a building

And its a similar thing where its still basically 2d being on a raised platform is kinda just a status

[distant roost]

Was Warcaster by the Warmachine folks?

[twin mountain]

If warcaster is on tts I'll try it

[echo marten]

Both are by Privateer Press, yeah and Warcaster is a future sequel to warmachine.

And it kinda came out at a time when they both went 'look at our cool new game' and also 'we're blowing up a lot of the warmachine wargame factions with plot people really don't like' at the same time.

So it didn't help the game with initial goodwill

[twin mountain]

taking a look now

oh no it's got rows of numbers with TLA codes

[modern snow]

there's a reason @sudden halo and I want to give it an open-source pass

[twin mountain]

I can totally see why

[modern snow]

it is but it's outdated. If you want to give it a go, we can get you the up-to-date unit list

[twin mountain]

ah no it's fine, I'd much rather update it

or like

more accurately: hey my brain has siezed on a weird wargame concept where I take an older 3v3 skirmish game I made and make it a 1v1 wargame that frankly it should've been from the start

and I wanna steal the best parts of other games that would fit the target headspace and vibe

and... varied RTS deployment may work for that

[distant roost]

What's a TLA code?

[umbral prawn]

Three Letter Acronym

[sudden halo]

warcaster is possibly worth giving a single play just to see the systems in practice, it works differently playing than i expected just reading it, but i wouldn't try to play a full game.

it also takes a lot longer than the designers intended at "full size"

[distant roost]

On a scale of beer and pretzels (BattleTech 4v4) to multiple pizzas (BattleTech 12v12, not Alpha Strike) what kinda time commitment are we talking

[sand sonnet]

It bills itself as a 90 minute game but it can take a couple hours at full size

[sand sonnet]

There’s a fairly active TTS community for it that built around the game’s launch that does a lot of narrative stuff around the systems too IIRC

[twin mountain]

do tell

[compact leaf]

Played Warcrow now..
Battle report incoming

[compact leaf]

As much as I hate to have clocked myself so hard, I do rather like the game and my faction of choice

We'll see if my opinion changes when I get completely obliterated by someone, but it should hold up fine

[modern snow]

the full game is entirely too bloated. The Skirmish and Skirmish+ sizes offer a much more manageable experience

[twin mountain]

god i've been so busy today

time to set up a MA tts 9 ton sample game to run

[twin mountain]

I have done so

Sleep time

[distant roost]

Ember: Obsidian Protocol army builder UI got a little prettier today

[distant roost]

Is the TTS mod able to be figured out if I grab the free quick start rules or do I wanna grab the core rule book for $15

[modern snow]

The core book is currently in the mod so you are able to try before you buy 😉

[twin mountain]

tts mod has the core rules yeah

it's actually missing the free quick start ids

@modern snow nudge nudge

[modern snow]

Yeah I realized that after we pushed the update live, whoops 😬

[twin mountain]

it's really not that big a deal

but a thing to push in later

[modern snow]

Yeah I kinda wanna push that update when I get the kodiaks and other terrain scanned

[twin mountain]

oh @modern snow , you should throw in low visibility markers

you can find smoke markers on tts easy

@forest pier will need to supervise to make sure the mod can accurately manage los calcs

[distant roost]

Is Core + Neon Vendetta digital PDF enough to get up to speed or is the Vermilion Horizons core book in the campaign got stuff those two don't?

[twin mountain]

core + neon vendetta is up to speed yeah

[modern snow]

Vermilion Horizons will have updated core rules and new narrative campaign rules. The drone rules from Neon Vendetta are getting rolled into Vermilion Horizons, but the Escalation Mode will be left as its own fun little thing

[autumn sun]

https://blog.warcradle.com/blog/return-to-the-wild-west

[twin mountain]

this mod is so sexy it's unreal

@forest pier put this screencap on the mod page

[sleek trail]

interestingly, theres two versions of this

imo

theres "airdrop/reserves" and "summon"

airdrop units are units you already have as part of your army building, and then just get deployed to the field after main deployment during the game, basically anywhere

but summon is the more interesting version of this, because you're creating units on the fly, summoning stuff that didn't come about as part of that initial army building process

many games have "airdrop" style systems but its rarer to have "summon" style systems, because its much harder to balance. i've seen it described as a "holy grail" of design and i agree with that

im working on a project that has summoning as part of its fundamental calculus so its very much on the mind

[sleek trail]

a community version would be pretty cool

i'd be interested in working on it, if you needed more hands

[distant roost]

Yeah summons are the self sustaining action economy

[forest pier]

sure why not

[sleek trail]

it can be made to work, i think. theres successful versions of it in a lot of games, though i think people still are facinated by it cause nothing quite nails some specific fantasies

i think related to this is the burgeoning rts-like subgenre that i think we will see in a coming few years, theres a couple projects i see in that space

[distant roost]

After playing Ember which bothers to model the individual missiles I think there can be a place for gun wizard wars where the summoners summon missiles and you gotta beat back the missiles

[twin mountain]

YES

[sleek trail]

theres something neat here

i do like summoning non-unit objects, like living spells in AOS

[twin mountain]

setting up telegraphed attacks and dodging them is cool

[compact leaf]

It is also very good for just adding bossfights to those games if you want :3

[sleek trail]

in a sense, its dodging them, but also its forcing people to move

which is imo even more interesting

[compact leaf]

The missile is not for hurting people, it's for scaring people away (with the threat that they might be hurt by the missile)

[twin mountain]

yeah of course, that's the coolest part

having big attacks that force people into bad places is a cool joseki for everyone

zoning

they're even explicit that the enemy is doing that in that one keanu reeves armore core clip

[sleek trail]

actually, going to add that to my design doc for my current project

fits perfectly

[sudden halo]

Active defense is always cool in games and essential for anything going for an anime feel.

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3E-cbuK-7g

[sand cloak]

_>

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-i-don’t-need-it-i-definitely-don’t-need-it-thirsty-gif-17101453146721253330

[twin mountain]

finished running a MA game with @toxic trench

was good

https://tenor.com/view/bird-lasers-laser-beam-gif-11794496

[umbral prawn]

I would play some mobile arms!

[twin mountain]

i will run more teaches in the coming daays

[sand sonnet]

I taught it in person today! Game is good.

[twin mountain]

yayyy

[compact leaf]

Oh my gods

The MA TTS mod is sooo gooood

[twin mountain]

yessssssssssssssss

and it's only gonna get better

have a pile of notes

[compact leaf]

[twin mountain]

if you buy the garage decks digitally you get tts files for them too

[compact leaf]

Oh that's awesome

[compact leaf]

Is on phones!

My locals are super happy about this :3

[umbral prawn]

Speaking of:

[distant roost]

The UN R7 right arm laser rifle is super good for long distance blasting

[compact leaf]

Geez that sniper is scary

[celest root]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-hjGKkKWkw

[twin mountain]

gonna guess: relicblade

oh, doom

[celest root]

1490 Doom

[twin mountain]

yeah. I can see why that has to be 3d

[celest root]

sounds interesting

I like watching people build for games, miscast has a vlog series going on

[distant roost]

Who is around tomorrow <t:1759273223:F> and wants to push robots around in the Ember: Obsidian Protocol TTS mod? Can flex time a bit for time zones

[umbral prawn]

Can you flex 2 hours later for time zones?

[distant roost]

Yeah <t:1759280429:f> works good too

[umbral prawn]

I should be able to make that. Do you have a faction preference?

[distant roost]

No preference - I've got premade faction rosters in TTS saved as objects for both factions so you can drive what you like and I'll bring the opposite

[twin mountain]

I myself am juggling trains and mobile arms

Definitely gonna run some mobile arms teaches here soon

[distant roost]

Yeah I'm game for Mobile Arms when there's a spot open

[umbral prawn]

Do you have some time today to set the game up, so we can get straight to playing tomorrow?

[distant roost]

Yeah, if you want to forward the list you wanna use I can deal out your army list and save as an object

Alternately if you fire up a single player instance and deal out your cards and save as on object on your machine then you can bring it with you to other people's TTS instances

@umbral prawn If it was this list I went and prepped it in the last 10 minutes, if not, let me know and I can prep another
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[umbral prawn]

It's this one actually

[distant roost]

Nice, I'll get that one going then

[umbral prawn]

Thanks!

[umbral prawn]

The new mech builder looks slick, but I absolutely cannot read this

[echo marten]

Pilot too white, can't read

[modern snow]

hot damn the Abraxas looks good in pink

[sand sonnet]

There's a reason I picked it for my Nadesco nod.

[sudden halo]

danger pink panther

[tepid steeple]

I played a couple of warcrow games with my partner (v scions) and I think amaury is basically a missile @compact leaf

Solo amaury that is

Just shove him full of tinge and hit anything you want until he dies from his attrition basically

Not much point in being too conservative since once tinged he doesnt really get end of round relief

[sand sonnet]

Amaury is the hands on face helm guy?

[tepid steeple]

Yeah

So he tinges himself to fix one die for every roll on his turn (and he attacks with a red so he can fix it to 2 hits)

And then while hes tinged every time he activates he has to either hurt himself or stress himself. With 3 wounds and 2 morale he can basically only take two of either

But he also gets to teleport 10 strides at the start of every activation once hes tinged

Then he has a spell where he can charge 11(+2) and make the enemy need two blocks for each hit which is a very good ability. So hes got a 10+2+11+2 threat range (and ambush)

Just goes around stabbing shit without much recourse until he's too dead or too stressed to do it anymore

Idk if he can technically demoralise himself since its a Must? But he also has the choice of a wound so is it optional? Idk

[compact leaf]

Mhm!
I've still only managed to get one game in but I 100% agree with that assessment

And he is an excellent missile

[compact leaf]

If he has the option not to, I think he has to not (so you'd have to take the wound instead if you're at your stress cap)

[modern snow]

I can't read this chat about Warcrow without thinking of Amaury the Chocolatier

now whenever I field Amaury in Warcrow I'll always be uttering "this fucking guy"...

[twin mountain]

Any interest in Mobile Arms this evening

Thinking of running a game and or teach

[umbral prawn]

I would but I'm playing Ember with Clem

[twin mountain]

Oh hell yeah

Have fun

[compact leaf]

Well, that's what you're supposed to do (though you've ended up with that conclusion in a completely different way than the game expected you too 😭)

[distant roost]

Yeah I can stream at <t:1759280425:t> for those who wanna pop in tonight for Ember, and can Mobile Arms another night

[tepid steeple]

He’s such a diiick

[compact leaf]

He literally has "...bastard" as an ability like 😭

Nobody likes him except for daddy sempiternus

And that's only because he could possibly use him to depose Genevieve, who's uhh.. not a big fan of the current Sempiternus

Pope is going for a power grab, who woulda thunk

[autumn sun]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ofoilandiron/of-oil-and-iron

[umbral prawn]

I am running late @distant roost

[distant roost]

No worries! I'll be here

[sudden halo]

im curious about this. its a straight rip of the newish edition of Adeptus Titanicus, but I think that's a genuinely good game

[umbral prawn]

Ready

[distant roost]

Tonight's UN list that got surgically dismantled by hails of HMG fire

Round 3 board state with hot RDL machine guns in the terminals' areas

Next time, I'll try out a RDL list that's experimental

[umbral prawn]

We called it at the end of round 3, when the points stood at 16 to 4

Drones are good. I think I will bring Mutilation weapons in the future to put them down

[distant roost]

It's really interesting how primary task selection can change the tenor of the match, it would've been a totally different play going for control points in the middle compared to going for the fringe terminal hacks

[umbral prawn]

Here's about how the match went

[twin mountain]

LOL

glad you guys had fuun

[orchid tulip]

HMGs having suppression can really mess up UNs plans

[compact leaf]

Ignore how the RDL one is an actual list and the UN one is just railgun

[echo marten]

Railgun is a list

[compact leaf]

It is missing nearly 200 points of mech, however

Oh
Hmm

You could actually fit yet another railgun mech in there

[distant roost]

5 railguns and 5 pholcus backpacks from downtown is legit terrifying

[compact leaf]

*6 pholcus backpacks :3c

It is quite a ridiculous amount of arms to bring to bear though yeah lmao

So many mines..

[twin mountain]

figuring out my evening

anyone interested in mobile arms?

I may be doing some soon with @latent rover depending 👀

[umbral prawn]

Yeah, me

[twin mountain]

i will do a game with you this evening then yes

[umbral prawn]

I can't do this evening, actually. Sorry, missed your first line

[twin mountain]

LOL so close yet so far

[latent rover]

I'll tell you once i'm done eating ye

[twin mountain]

we can also just reschedule if that's more convenient i'm having a kinda tiring day altogether

like big picture mobile arms is super funded

and the tts mod is gonna be updated in like a week with lots more stuff

and I can just teach people later and people can late pledge even

I don't need to rush so hard

[distant roost]

Yeah sustainability is important for board game calls and rest helps a lot because it's a lot of digital packing and unpacking

[latent rover]

oh sure!

[compact leaf]

Ember folks
We may be taking the fight to the earth

Also there's a new faction coming, they have transformers

[echo marten]

Oooh, transformers?

[compact leaf]

They're in the 5th image specifically, appear to have 1 mech so far

PD is getting actual mechs as well

Noooo idea what that big spaceship thing is but it sure it neat

[sudden halo]

right? I love a huge spaceship mini

[compact leaf]

I do also remember hearing we're supposed to get ships in this game

[sudden halo]

printed a few in epic scale for the 40k thing. if Ember has some type of big spaceship mechanic i might need to bring it off the back burner

[compact leaf]

Ships and infantry are coming at some point

I'm not sure when

But uh
I suppose they already have a sculpt set up

[sudden halo]

i imagine the infantry are closer, since the visual for them has been available for a while

which is good, one of the things that makes mechs cool is having stuff that isn't mechs for them to interact with

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

[jade finch]

faction name is probably Odin Industries or something in that ball park

[compact leaf]

We at least know the Odin part

It could actually just be the one word

[tepid steeple]

Those little paint robots are so cute

[compact leaf]

The funny part is that they actually have game profiles

[potent wyvern]

Seems cool

[sleek trail]

very cute, very neat chesslike

[twin mountain]

Magnets

[sleek trail]

magnets good

in general i love these types of little meeple pieces. i wonder if you could do a game-in-a-box that was measure and move with similar pieces

[compact leaf]

Infinity army update is peam...

CC Swiss guard is finally real

After all these years

[modern snow]

as a StarCo player I am very... whelmed

[tawny sandal]

New fake US Army wargame country just dropped, an update to Down Range has included a Generic Enemy Wargame Military, the Lemurian Popular Militia, which is also a made up island region as the name would imply

Now I just hope he has time to do revisions to the base rules, they need another pass even if I think the base stuff is interesting

[tepid steeple]

I found this really funny

One model has a sword so they make a mini cc profile

[tepid steeple]

The france update seems cool but they removed most of the sapper profiles so Im no longer super interested. Which is good because I dont want the temptation to pay exorbitant prices for the models on ebay

But also kinda sad

[modern snow]

the france update also made an Ariadna sectorial that is actually fun to play in N5!

[modern snow]

There are internal surveys happening regarding future Happy Days reissues and MRRF is in the overwhelming lead

will we see anything come if it? Who knows!

[tawny sandal]

I’m curious, what is France’s deal in Infinity?

As someone who knows nothing about infinity other than it’s a skirmish game

[compact leaf]

Hey woah, Caledonia also got some pretty cool stuff

[compact leaf]

Pretty sure they're the Ariadnan werewolf police.
Very mobile and full of guys that can put down Antipodes with viral ammo.

But take this with a grain of salt, I haven't been able to play them myself.

Viral ammo forces extra saves on organic stuff, and being mobile helps a lot with doing objectives.

[tepid steeple]

Ariadna is like the low tech but theoretically make up for it with skills faction, one of france's things is being slightly less low tech through use of mercenaries and trading for weapons but thats kinda gone away as they gave that stuff to other subfactions. Like Till mentioned, one of their units is the Loup Garou who are like anti werewolf riot police

They also now have a unit that is a werewolf but stays in human form. And a werewolf werewolf who is really good (at one time uniquely good) at parachuting

[echo marten]

They also have a lot of Mobile Special Forces. Back in the day you could run a team that basicly entirely parachuted in.

I've yet to check out their new list

USAriadna is slow brick walls that lay down hails of firepower, French Ariadna is mobile flankers that don't have a tonne of armour but make up for it with speed and still having very solid chooting.

[tepid steeple]

They also used to have the most variety in sapper units, who can dig a foxhole during the game to get cover. They have really cool models

[echo marten]

Yeah, the way I'd describe them is they're the most 'modern' in tactics of Ariadna

They play like modern mobile troops

[tepid steeple]

And their basic troop has infiltrating one use camo profiles. Lots of mimetism, a skill that makes them harder to shoot

[modern snow]

Duroc's werewolfing is a stress response as a result of getting thrown out of a plane lol

it's so funny

"Margot, I have a fear of heights!"

"Good!" shoves him out the back of the drop-plane

[compact leaf]

Penny's got a good summary of Ariadna there, yeah

Sorry mine as lackluster, I was stuck at work 😭

[supple shale]

FRRM my most beloved

max AVA Zouaves because I Just Think They’re Neat

[compact leaf]

I do wish Ariadna had a bit higher BS skill than they do on average, since that's supposed to be one of their edges
But..
We'll get there

These changes are definitely a step in the right direction

Several, actually

[echo marten]

I mean, they're not exactly lacking in shooting/I feel like a higher average BS would really step on PanO's toes.

[tepid steeple]

Idk they dont need bs 15 to be better than most factions

[echo marten]

...I'll admit, I've never really heard of high BS as Ariadna's strength. They've got some very powerful guns like autocannons but the actual base skill not so much.

[tepid steeple]

Mrrf is in a pretty good range now

[compact leaf]

I always assumed it was an implied thing from the whole "grizzled veterans" thing they've got going on

[tepid steeple]

Like ramah is a high bs faction mostly off like bs 12 marksman / bs13 elites / bs14 janissaries

[echo marten]

From my experience it was always PH that was their 'generally higher stat' in Ariadna

They're tough, strong guys who move well

[compact leaf]

Also true

I suppose balance doesn't let you have both

[echo marten]

Also I mean, PanO is sitting here going 'BS is our only good stat. We are weedy and stupid and scared. Please' 😛

[velvet badge]

For what it's worth we have above average armour and BTS as well to make up for abysmal WIP

[tepid steeple]

Like having one non tag bs 14 makes you an exceptional shooting faction while pano get multiple units with it and access to bs 15

[compact leaf]

Mmm
Speaking of PanO..

NCA is a uhh

Monster

More than it was before

PanO can hack now

[echo marten]

I do like having my AVA Total Heavy Flamethrowers (With attached human) back.

[compact leaf]

They can drop repeaters now

And blockers and locusts get pitchers

and you have access to devas

[echo marten]

I do love Devas so much.

[trail fulcrum]

Was it the reason for lemur population transfer?

[tepid steeple]

Warcrow event today went 2.5? 2 wins and a draw :3

9 TP? One total win, one partial triumph, one draw

[echo marten]

Nice

[compact leaf]

Eyyyy, congrats Penny!

You were playing Feudom right?

[tepid steeple]

Yup!

Ran everyone but verena

Which was worth I think

[tepid steeple]

Mission lineup was;
Expanse + The Rift
Consolidated Ground + Track
Take Positions + Decapitate

First mission was against a redcap scions list that was really fun. I went quite hard on objectives early, started sealing rifts with Amaury and Morgane. Morgane hid in the woods, guisarmiers took the middle objective against 3 units with their buckwild conquest stat. Amaury ends up pushed off the rift but teleports into the backline to keep the objectives even till the end when the redcaps sweep onto my home objectives. Nuada takes the other rift in the nick of time to equalise the points on the feat. Final score is like 8 - 6, partial victory for me

Second mission was against Syennan and I really benefited from having played a practice match before. They had Protectors, Birdman, High Command Lady, and then Grove Curtailers with Neakhail. I made sure to screen ambushes as best I can and completed track ASAP with Morgane cause that makes a big difference. Guisarmiers held the center against the protectors, Mace Escorts held my home objectives with their command charge though had to be careful with the Elves movement techs and a nearby Forest. Amaury harassed the Elf home objectives, never decisively taking a point but forcing the commitment of the enemy commander until the last round which was huge. The mace escorts and syzigian fought the grave curtailers for several turns, neither giving any ground, but crucially held my objective the whole time. 8 - 4 Total Victory

Third round was against a scions list which was basically the song of the dormant lineup with sculptor and irkalla. Extremely cagey match, no engagement till late turn 2! Basically both of us were very cautious about maneuvering without giving the enemy an opportunity to countercharge. Morgane tried to take a flank with her spell but tinge caused her to demoralise, the syzigian tried to soften the enemy up and unfortunately failed but stayed secure with the nearby mace escorts. On the other flank, Anointed tried to position to peel the Guisarmiers off the objective, but a successful countercharge while led by Amaury knocked them away and the guisarmiers were able to reposition back on my objective. In the final round, the action became a bit more desperate. The anointed repositioned and baited a charge from the guisarmiers, allowing the sculptor to swoop in on my objective, but on the other flank the mace escorts charged and successfully pushed the intact out of range of the objective to flip it, maintaining the draw with no arcane points at all. Amazingly tense game

[compact leaf]

What was the points level?

[tepid steeple]

Uhh it was like

Everyone had a 150 pt list and then 250 for people who could. Kinda casual so

[compact leaf]

Ah, I figured

[tepid steeple]

There was a lot of enthusiasm which was really good

Also like no sweat at all to fit a game in two hours

Partner played too and had a good time and theyd been anxious abt it so Im really glad. They went 2-0 :)

Also had a pretty rough time round one for non game reasons and misundertanding a mission rule, so not to discount opponents play but the loss was like somewhat mitigating factors etc

[compact leaf]

It happens :(

[tepid steeple]

The weather is really awful atm and a gust of wind blew open the doors and scattered their opponents army on the floor 😭

[compact leaf]

But I'm glad you had a good time!
I'm going into my last game for the Song of the Dormant campaign (we've been modifying it to play at 160 so we can fit everything in beyond + core)

[tepid steeple]

So then like 15-30 minutes finding everything and syzigian arm went missing :(((

Ooooh nice we really enjoyed that

[compact leaf]

I've been playing into scions, so far Feudom has been mostly victorious (no total domination or anything though)

I am wheel hoarder

[tepid steeple]

Our last mission ended up swinging quite early which was a dissapointing anticlimax but we thought it was a really cool thing

Mm same but like, one point difference each mission

[compact leaf]

I'm surprised you didn't take Verena in your lists, but.. it's not like you actually can at 150

There simply isn't enough space

[tepid steeple]

You give up too much to make her fit yeah

Unfortunate

[compact leaf]

Mhm..

I've actually been running with no Morgane

[tepid steeple]

Like either the mace escorts or two characters and I think thats too much personally

[compact leaf]

Amaury has taken her place, it's been super worth it

[tepid steeple]

Valid!

Amaury is so good

[compact leaf]

Verena is.. scary..

She's single-handedly obliterated so many units I've lost count

[tepid steeple]

Like without mace escorts you only have one conquest unit

[compact leaf]

Yeah 😭

[tepid steeple]

But yeah shes so good

[compact leaf]

I'm so looking forwards to guardians

[tepid steeple]

Yeeeeee

Chomping at the bit

[compact leaf]

I only recently reread the Scout rules, the forward deploying to deny ambushers on key objectives that you need your buff characters to stand on is massive

I genuinely don't think you actually use the "during the game" deployment with them that often, given that most of their power is about where they exist

Very good flank defenders too..

Guh..

But that's supposed to be Guisarmiers, so..

Foot knights are what's going to complete Feudom and get them to 250, I'm hoping

[tepid steeple]

Depends on the mission I suppose

[compact leaf]

Yar

[tepid steeple]

Yeah thats what I was thinking would come

[compact leaf]

I have not played any of them just yet 😅

I won't be upset if it's archers, but it would be kind of weird if it was archers

[tepid steeple]

Peasant archers could be fun but the guardians do have crossbows

[compact leaf]

Mhm

I am hoping we get one more character that can join them, I'd be super interested in one that can give them some melee switches

But even something like Morgane is pretty spicy..

[twin mountain]

Oh fuck yeah!!! That's excellent

Is the new warcrow manual out

[sand sonnet]

Ran a couple Mobile Arms demos at the shop today.

[compact leaf]

Nar :(

Not an official one

We're still using the community made combined one

(official one before the end of the year is the present timeline still, though)

[twin mountain]

excelleeent

[distant roost]

If folks want to onboard on the Ember TTS mod and push some robots around I got availability tomorrow <t:1759676400:F> give or take, can flex for time zones

[umbral prawn]

hell yeah

I'll be there

[ocean holly]

I might be getting into Legion

[distant roost]

Sounds good! If you got a new list you need baked up just let me know

[ocean holly]

That's 2AM, and I'm heading out of town for a week, but I'm still interested

[distant roost]

You in Oceania? I can book a Oceania friendly time over the next week for another session when things settle down if that works better on your end, and yeah I can stream the match too for tomorrow

[ocean holly]

Yeah, Aussie

[grizzled flint]

where can i find the rules for this game?

[distant roost]

This pinned message has you covered for Ember: Obsidian Protocol:
#1161730220164911187 message

[grizzled flint]

🔥

[distant roost]

Ember session went good, Perijove took 2 points out of 3 on a 3 point hold after wiping my RDL drones off the board and managed to run away with points for a what would be a 18 to 12 victory called at round 4 at the 14 to 10 tally

Round 1 positioning setup:

Round 3 firefight positioning, RDL successfully pushed off middle point:

[twin mountain]

Love the battle reports 👀

[compact leaf]

News for Warcrow fans
We now have some hints as to what the officers (the stuff that will likely bring the new factions to the brink of 250 points) are going to do :3

So uh

Chain activations y'all

For everyone

[tepid steeple]

Cant tell if this translation stuff or samara uses he and she pronouns

Maiële is so pretty

But yeah damn feudom chain activating all over the place

I was hoping genevieve could hang with guisarmiers but sounds like she'll be more about knights. The magister sounds fun

[compact leaf]

Samara actually uses any pronouns as far as I know. Super canon btw, the community has dubbed them "the gender angel"

[tepid steeple]

Nice

:3

[compact leaf]

The lore book also uses they/them

....aaaaaand it's making me regret splitting my song of the dormant box
But it's not like there's any crazy limited edition scions yet or something

[tepid steeple]

I like how master maiële yeets zombies at people

[compact leaf]

We do actually have her profile!

It's genuinely horrifying

[tepid steeple]

Ohhh

?

[echo marten]

Oooh?

[compact leaf]

Oookay it sounds like I'm obligated to share

One moment

And a foreword
We've got the Spanish card, but a separate message stating translations

[echo marten]

Do we have any additional fluff on the Scions? The teaser stuff i saw for them read like they were against the other groups but not like...evil. Just Transelven Anarchists and people who've been dealt a bad hand by other nations.

[compact leaf]

What would you like to know?

I've got the book right next to me and they've got a pretty decent chunk dedicated to them..

[echo marten]

Mostly sorta 'is that reads remotely accurate or are they actively the Bad Guy Faction'

[compact leaf]

Oh!
On a wider scale, there may or may not be extradimensional/interstellar entities that are very hostile

(that's how Samara lost a wing)

[compact leaf]

They're the outcasts faction, if anything.

They're very elf-centric, due to having texts detailing a now seemingly non-existent race called "the Aster" that created elves superior to all other races

But the other races that are part of the scions are generally chill with that, and the elves don't use that belief in a derogatory way

They kinda just take people in who've been shunned by the rest of society, or wish to seek knowledge and truth beyond what the typical rules of a nation would allow

[echo marten]

Okay cool. That's sorta how I read them rather than like 'Hey, we're transhumanism/biological tech is evil, the faction'. That's good to know.

[tepid steeple]

Their magical philosophy is at odds with the other elves aiui

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

[tepid steeple]

Theyre like go crazy go stupid aaa

[echo marten]

Yeah. The other elves are fascists.

Totally not Biased here. 😛

[compact leaf]

The Syenann are the descendants of the army that directly opposes the Scions, so they disagree the most generally.
The Aestari are just too afraid of the tinge to deal with it (allegedly), dunno what the Alvs of the merchant alliance are up to though

Regarding the other elf faction, the Syenann have a lot of people that hate them but uhh

Right after I fell for the anti-elf propaganda (which is literally "elves eat babies" in some places)

[tepid steeple]

They go where the trees go and sometimes thats under ppls homes

[compact leaf]

It turns out that the Syenann generally just take in abandoned children and try to give them a good life

[echo marten]

The Syenann don't seem exactly unbiased on the people they previously beat in a War.

[compact leaf]

Then again
They also make a point of educating them

[tepid steeple]

Oh they didnt win

[compact leaf]

The army of radiance is said to have been the victor, but.. nobody actually won that war for real

It was everyone's loss when the fog got unleashed

[echo marten]

Fair

I feel vindicated in my Tuatha Biomancer Faction Pick.

[compact leaf]

So.. if you squint a little, it's uh.. also maybe kinda allegory for residential schools :b

Either way
The scions are the only ones in regular contact with the last of the Aster that decided to stick around

[echo marten]

I was basically sold when I saw Nuada and his artificial arm.

[compact leaf]

Her name is Yaldobaoth (that's where the name came from)

[compact leaf]

That wasn't actually done by scions :)

That's all gae assail empire age stuff

He was the big general of their entire army

[echo marten]

Oh yeah it's just Nuada and his artificial arm is my favourite Irish mythology myth

[compact leaf]

Ohh I see I see

[echo marten]

So seeing that in Scions sold me on them.

[compact leaf]

They've represented a few known elves in mythology iirc

I think Lioslaith is another?

[tepid steeple]

She is pretty bananasss

Though she cant revive husks?

[compact leaf]

Truly..

Soooo

Husks also have a new card

[tepid steeple]

Ah

Understandable

[compact leaf]

Look at the keywords on Maiele now

[tepid steeple]

I seee

[compact leaf]

Yarrr

Still costs a command token

But like

They'll just come back

[tepid steeple]

I imagine therell be a new puppeteer card in that box too then

[compact leaf]

Mhm, there is

Haven't seen it yet though

Based on the description though, husks are built literally to

Y'know what

I'll just find the text-

[tepid steeple]

Oh I like how their switch gets easier when they’re thresholded

[compact leaf]

The Husks are a cheap and eternal harassment troop, whose value lies in slowing down the enemy and returning. They block, force the opponent to spend resources, and always maintain the sensation of an “endless horde” surrounding the Virtuosos.

What do they bring to their army?

• Cheap numerical pressure: they flood the battlefield with annoying miniatures and multiple activations.

• Mobility control: their constant slowing hinders enemy charges, repositioning, and retreats.

• Immortal and thematic nature: even when they fall, they return with the Virtuosos, fitting into an aesthetic of a “tide of the undead.”

• Synergy with Virtuosos: they force the opponent to decide whether to hunt down Virtuosos (to cut off the flow of Husks) or waste resources killing what will reappear anyway.

• Tactical distraction: the enemy must deal with them even if they aren’t lethal, due to their slowing effects and constant return.

[tepid steeple]

and then the tinge keyword giving them overheal basically each turn

But also breath can help em out

[compact leaf]

Yeah it's pretty spooky once you get breath involved

Who seems to be becoming more and more important

[tepid steeple]

Verena gonna have her work cut out for her sniping all these mages

[compact leaf]

I just can't wait for the capital K knights to come out

And really make use of all that stuff on the officers

our cavalry and large units are going to be knights too

we can chain activate cavalry penny

[tepid steeple]

My partner and I played a 160pt game of Loot - Banner and I made verena my banner and just went pew pew pew

[compact leaf]

Yeah she does that :3

She's veerrry good at it too

Scions are making me want to play them also partly due to gender..
They do a bit more genderqueer stuff and I super appreciate it

[tepid steeple]

Understandableee

[compact leaf]

Alas..
I have to wait

The Dwarves are coming

And the mecha excites me

Penny did you know they get transforming gun-blades

On their standard infantry

[tepid steeple]

Yooo what

I did not

That sounds very cool

Oh I should share

My guisarmiers are close to done

[compact leaf]

I think I may be rebasing mine..

Those are excellent though

[tepid steeple]

🥰

Im being a bit indecisive abt basing but I bought flower tufts already so Ill probably be doing that

Fog themed bases would be cool though :/ or the city fight ones they have in box arttt

[compact leaf]

I'd really like to go for the latter myself, but that means either making a bunch myself or spending a bit of extra money-

[compact leaf]

Oh, right
I've been looking for a good mix to get that blue
What'd you use? (For reference)

[tepid steeple]

Temple guard blue from GW

Over some darker blues and then highlighted by mixing with ice yellow vallejo but thats the main tone

[compact leaf]

Ah I see, thank you!

[tepid steeple]

🥰

[compact leaf]

I've made a terrible discovery penny (and it's pending an FAQ) but uh
Morgane can remove the spellcaster keyword, and the rulebook makes it sound like that keyword is a requirement for casting spells

Meaning you may be able to turn spellcasters off completely

[tawny sandal]

Hit the factory reset on spellcasters with this one neat trick!

[compact leaf]

It makes sense for the inquisitor coming from the nation with a ban on magic

Buuut I've yet to receive a ruling, so I'd like to wait a bit to be sure 😅

[modern snow]

I just imagine morgane walking around with a brick in hand, the words "factory reset" hastily scrawled upon its surface

[compact leaf]

The consensus appears to be "yeah, she can turn off spells"

The consensus has changed

It is now tied again

[compact leaf]

We're just gonna email CB about it..

[tepid steeple]

At the very least it would stop them blocking spells

I feel like it should block spells honestly, they get a save against it, and like the spell casting process asks for your spellcaster’s wp referring to the keyword

One thing I am confused abt is if morgane’s spell is a duration spell or a remains active spell

Like obv it has a duration

And I think cause it doesnt say remains active in the requirements its not a remains active

But the text says remains active

And it feels like offensive lasting spells should generally be remains active if only cause of how the effect tokens system works

And so theres a counter to her spell

I guess duration spell does specify it can be on the target

I think Im just confusing myself and it is just a duration

[compact leaf]

Official response recieved!
She does in fact make wizards forget how to wizard

[tepid steeple]

Yayyy

https://tenor.com/view/evil-defeated-lost-the-evil-is-defeated-kid-gif-5007371

[compact leaf]

In complete other news

Infinity gets the new CA faction dropping tomorrow

And uuh

Dinosaur

[compact leaf]

I'm glad we're all happy cause there are some people who are absolutely livid 😭

[tepid steeple]

Its like her deal haha

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

They'll come around

They just think she should be 30 points for it

But uh

Considering how strong a lot of the other 25 point things are..

[orchid tulip]

If you run no wizards she'll almost do nothing

[compact leaf]

Basically yeah

Like
She can still take away the conquest on stuff and that's strong

Makes her worth taking alone, but she doesn't get to use anything else..

[tepid steeple]

A lot of spellcasters have decent wp too

To no sell the command ability in the first place

[compact leaf]

It's single target too
She can only do it to one thing at a time

I think they've done a good job balancing how good it could be

Like
It's very good, but it won't necessarily just mean you get to turn off your opponent's entire army

[orchid tulip]

How long is the reach of the wizard remote?

[tepid steeple]

15

[orchid tulip]

And a map is 32?

[tepid steeple]

The whole map is like 60 strides I think

3’x3’

Yeah

~900mm is 60 strides (15mm)

It ends up being closer to 61 though

Avg charge range is 11 strides

[orchid tulip]

And the 15 is also in strides? So quarter map?

[tepid steeple]

Mhm

[orchid tulip]

How deep are deployment zones?

[tepid steeple]

8 strides

Usually

[orchid tulip]

I could see her range cetting reduced if it really becomes a problem but it feels fine

[modern snow]

Hmmmm what's the over/under on this being a Tag vs a Vehicle?

[compact leaf]

There have been rumors of CA using vehicle rules for a mounted guy since new wave got announced so...

Likely a vehicle, otherwise it's going to be an HI

Basically 0% chance of it being a TAG

[sudden halo]

Andy's going to be so disappointed that this thing comes out before a Moratcycle

[modern snow]

before a morat motorcycle?

pretty sure if Morats get a vehicle it'll just be a flying brick

[sudden halo]

They should get the brute chopper from halo

And a krakot on a harley

[potent wyvern]

https://youtu.be/x0IevQKFbKI

[autumn sun]

https://www.wargamer.com/starcraft-tabletop-miniatures-game/zerglings-and-hydralisks

[hollow slate]

https://bsky.app/profile/trenchcrusade.bsky.social/post/3m2rgjrnnck2l

Trench Crusade (@trenchcrusade.bsky.social)

++ MAXIMILIAN-CLASS KNIGHT ++
Art by Inka Schulz

Maximilian-class armour is the heaviest personal protection used by the Crusader Knight Orders. Full lore on our website: www.trenchcrusade.com/lore/maximil...
#trenchcrusade #grimdark #lore

-# Maximilian-class Knight - Trench Crusade
Maximilian-class armour is the heaviest personal protection used by the Crusader Knight Orders.

Bluesky · Oct 9, 2025, 3:04 PM

I think our first Trench Crusade lore about the crusader knights, I wasn't expecting a combined-arms approach, but it is welcome

TC Bretonnia

[compact leaf]

Ah, there's my faction

[compact leaf]

Anywho
I get to finish my warcrow campaign tonight :3

[distant roost]

How do campaigns in warcrow work? Are they a series of scenarios?

[compact leaf]

Mhm, each starter came with one

And there are (rumored) plans they're working on standalone ones

Song of the Dormant has been really solid

[distant roost]

Scenario packs are always a nice treat yeah

[compact leaf]

Usually how CB does things is they release a tournament season every year, that has all the competitive scenarios (though they typically also have a narrative tie-in set of modifiers for the season rules)

Having actual separate narrative play is different

Oops I dropped this..

Turns out I was wrong about juggernauts, the skyhound is the vehicle..

[echo marten]

I miss Achilles ;-;

+1B Contender looks very fun on the Raindancers.

[compact leaf]

I sit here and I wonder what the heck technorganic means

CA gets yet another rule

[echo marten]

My theory is 'hackable even if it's not a HI'

[compact leaf]

Well

It's on a TAG

So

Speaking of

GUARD TAG GUARD TAG

[echo marten]

The Steeljaw is a warband, isn't it?

[compact leaf]

I'm talking about the juggernaut

Oh but yes the steeljaw does appear to be a warband

[echo marten]

Oh yeah. It might be 'can be hacked and can be affected by viral rounds'

...does Pandora have Dodge -6 on a PH 12 LI? That's...unusually Bullet-Attracting.

Is it weird/unfair to say that a lot of these units look like the units I wish ALEPH was getting? I always liked ALEPH's 'Fuck it, Lets Just Throw Transhuman Stats At Thte Other Guy' guys.

[compact leaf]

She's always had that, believe it or not

She's actually gotten more expensive..

[compact leaf]

Now imagine if CA stole a bunch of ALEPH units 😭

Wouldn't that be crazy

(Aleph is set for a release though.. so they may also see a new faction)

I have mooooree

[echo marten]

;-;

A weird thing I'd kinda like to see with ALEPH stuff? More in the same area as the Devas. Where the devas are not inherantly combat units. They're more 'this ALEPH thing is so transhuman that even out diplomats can match up against some of the best soldiers in the setting'. Take some cool non-combat roles and turn them into a cool unit.

Search and Rescue, Fast Response EMT.

Play with how ALEPH isn't just a military force, it's the backbone of humanity in all areas.

ALEPH Emergency Response unit a big axe and Immunity(Continuous Damage) because it's designed to go charging into burning buildings and rescue people from fires/hack down as many walls as needed to get people out

If that remotely makes sense?

[modern snow]

The theory I've seen floating around is that TechnoOrganic allows the unit to be repaired by Doctors and Engineers

some tack on "Is also vulnerable to viral" but we already have a de-nested rule for that so I think that part's unlikely

[tepid steeple]

@twin mountain Playing moonstone and was struggling with Morag's reclaim life ability without a reliable way to make it a heal and just now realised you can use it on a close to death moonstone carrier to get it off them before the enemy does

[tepid steeple]

Everything is rly expensive it seems

I feel like having so many duo teams and double haris is a little unnecessary haha

I do like how theres team achilles and then team each individual

[twin mountain]

omg genius

[compact leaf]

Ikiryo have you seen the new Aleph unit coming out?

Cause.. it's a bit aesthetically different from usual

I figured it may lead into something like that

[tepid steeple]

Immunity continuous damage is rly fun

The nasa space marines in haqq have it

[echo marten]

I have not!

[compact leaf]

Boop

[echo marten]

Oh yeah, those guys are pure steel phalanx.

They're a Greek Mythology deep cut

"[Hephaistos (Hephaestus) left his bellows] took up a heavy stick in his hand, and went to the doorway limping. And in support of their master moved his attendants. These are golden, and in appearance like living young women. There is intelligence in their hearts, and there is speech in them and strength, and from the immortal gods they have learned how to do things. These stirred nimbly in support of their master."

So sadly I don't think they're a sign of anything new

That said: 11 point +1B Wip 13 flash pulse.

...was that really the best name guys?

I guess they really want to make it clear O-12 are assholes. XD

[modern snow]

I mean they have a unit called the Jackboot, so...

[native portal]

find myself wanting to play some kind of wargame online but not sure what

player count for historicals is legendarily low

[echo marten]

Fair enough, the fascism meter was already at 11.

[compact leaf]

This feels relevant to the "give us a new rulebook" askers?

Also English profiles from freak wars

[echo marten]

You know, I think Maiele might have a specific unit she's all about XD

[compact leaf]

3, actually

There are 3 risen units

2 are characters

[echo marten]

Oh cool, I'd only seen one of them.

[compact leaf]

Here.. one sec..

[echo marten]

I do like 'cool elves backing up hordes of expendable zombies'

[compact leaf]

These are admittedly WCA profiles but they're in the game book so I'm trusting that they'll be released in their own box for the wargame

Either way
They're spooky

[echo marten]

Oooh, that's a lot of demoralize.

[compact leaf]

They uh
Also cannot be demoralized on account of being golems

[echo marten]

Oh, I meant in what they do to enemies

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm, we were aware of what you were referring to :3

[tepid steeple]

the harvester is so cool looking

[twin mountain]

yes absolutely

gimme my rulebook dammit

[distant roost]

What game is this?

[twin mountain]

warcrow

[autumn sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pECF6aAfbI&t=0

[compact leaf]

Mmm

Y'know at some point I decided that Warcrow is basically a game in early access

As is Ember (less so, however. They're at least releasing the factions with almost all of their stuff at once)

[sand sonnet]

This and the fact that the models I want are locked in a two faction box where I only want one faction are what's keeping me out of it for now.

[compact leaf]

September next year is when that box is going to be split off into single faction starter sets

By then the game will have all its factions released as well, with 5/6 of them completely fleshed out

Like
Waiting a year is literally the best possible thing you could do imo

Even the a new rulebook is something we're waiting on

[sand sonnet]

Yeah that was kinda what I figured.

Plus it gives me a chance to see if it's a fad here or a game with a stable community.

[compact leaf]

Mhm

I for one might end up responsible for some tournaments so I'm looking forward to possibly being able to do that (and praying I don't mess it up 😭 )

[echo marten]

If warcrow fails, they'll just quietly move half the models to Nomads and Ariadna while they give ALEPH a 'We made recreations of elves' sunfaction 😛

[compact leaf]

Honestly warcrow is doing better than infinity in my area

Though that may simply be a byproduct of infinity not being sold by our local stores anymore (fuck you Asmodee)

[tepid steeple]

We just poached like 4 ppl from aos

[echo marten]

...I must admit, I do find it funny how I keep seeing people describe the Scions as the 'evil' faction when the first line on the website about the Hegemony is 'The Hegemony of Embersig is an army of occupation.' then proceeds to talk about how they take territory and then fortify it.

[tepid steeple]

Yeah but they have 6 arms so

[echo marten]

Look, if you think about it, zombie labor is the most ethical labor. 😛

[compact leaf]

They really aren't evil lmao

They just have that aesthetic

If anyone's evil, the dwarves are probably closest

But even they have reasons to be historic betrayers and opportunists

[ocean holly]

Ok

The new Legion plastics are dope

[distant roost]

Ember: Obsidian Protocol web army builder got a double glow up in that both the exported images now show projectile cards as well as the builder having a section on each mech that flags if you're using any banned kickstarter parts, which is neat

[umbral prawn]

Still waiting for the glow up that makes the text and action priority legible

[sudden halo]

Huge infinity balance update with the new faction drop

[compact leaf]

Ookay here we go infinity peeps

What do you mean journalist is new

[modern snow]

It buffs ya guts now!

[tepid steeple]

The QK and general haqq buffs are wiiiiiiild

QK was already really good and now their fireteams are just cracked and odalisques got buffed

And the plane got buffed. And then in vhaqq saladin is now an inspiring leader

Inspiring all the daylamis and muttawiah and hunzakuts and kum

[tepid steeple]

Im trying to start bakunin this is mean 😭

[hollow crypt]

you can have a journalist in infinity?

[supple shale]

Hell yeah you can

War correspondents are a classic « one more cheap model to round out this list », plus they can blind a mf with their camera flash

[hollow crypt]

oh they the cheerleaders I hear so much about

[supple shale]

Warcors are not really a cheerleader because they’re Irregular, so for the most part you can’t use their activation on a better unit

[tepid steeple]

Yeah theyre weirdly a cheerleader nonpareils but only when lead by (copies of) Joan of Arc or William Wallace

(Or, now, also Saladin)

Theres like other journalist in steel phalanx

Otherwise warcors are incredibly disposable defensive pieces that sometimes just lock a big piece out for a turn

Which has a weirdly bleak emergent narrative for the role of journalists

[modern snow]

now they also buff guts rolls of units within ZoC!

[tepid steeple]

Yeah :)

[modern snow]

Hafzas getting +1 LT Order is WILD

[tepid steeple]

Its wild!!!!!!!

It do like that it encourages you to take a hafza lt though

But yeah with sekban and ghulam nco very good

Laxmee just qapu khalqi and janissary is wild but makes me a little sad because just odalisque was kinda more flavourful

Its kinda funny how you still gotta take two djanbazans for +1sd (or take a haris) but you can duo a janissary and a hafza now no problem

Rafiq fto getting the keywords is also wild but super fun!

[compact leaf]

Okay now for the warcrow stuff

@tepid steeple ...

[sand sonnet]

The countess seems strong.

[compact leaf]

Permanent ability baybeeee

[tepid steeple]

Shes quite cool

But you gotta be to compete with verena hehe

Its interesting shes gotta join to get her bonus activation dealie

But put her in mace escorts and she has plenty of stress for activating

And no reason not to spend the whole stress bar

[compact leaf]

Mhm mhm

I think her value will become more obvious when we get our foot knights in December

[tepid steeple]

Yeah for sure

[compact leaf]

I feel like that's gonna be the only other unit she can join though..

And then there's Pierre

Who.. as a grand magister, might also be high command

[tepid steeple]

Oh is the magister dude also a character?

[compact leaf]

Nono, it's a different guy in the book

The one we're getting is generic

Though Genevieve is also a Magister

I suspect Pierre will be a mounted character

[sudden halo]

Go pod multi rifle profile got a big glow up

Which frees up swc considerably if you need it. Should make Bakunin list building a lot more interesting for me at least.

[tepid steeple]

I should get a go podd

Or get a zaybak and use it to proxy

[twin mountain]

@modern snow @stray breach sudden dumb activation idea I must write down before I fall into a nap in this inspirational couch sunbeam: org chart activation.

• every faction has an org chart. Like imagine a piece of paper with like spaces for cards and lines drawn to other spaces for cards, multiple layers deep even.
• alternating activation wargame
• every unit has a card on the org chart, maybe some units can only be in certain places on the chart.
• on your turn you flip a card and activate that unit OR any unit under it in the chart. That's it.

[stray breach]

Ooh

[twin mountain]

That's the whole system. You can chain activate one guy by spending increasingly medaled commanders on yelling at the guy

I'm a genius

I now sleep

[stray breach]

So you can multi-activate the subordinates and commanders are inherently more constrained in how many times they can go

[twin mountain]

Yes

[stray breach]

And it's more costly to have them go, since they're competing with any of their underlings going instead with their slot

[twin mountain]

And maybe some factions are very good but their chart sucks

[stray breach]

Yeah this rules

[twin mountain]

Like imagine tyranids who have no commanders but like

Brood pods

Little sets of 3 cards all pointing at each other

Each pod is its own little hivemind

Shit like that

[stray breach]

Yeah, there's a lot of potential for that sort of thing

[twin mountain]

Extremely dead easy to understand system that creates very unusual faction variance

[stray breach]

This is good stuff!

[twin mountain]

I only make good stuff

[sudden halo]

I like it. Big fan of things that make force organization important.

[tepid steeple]

Funn

[sudden halo]

Polyversal does some things with it's command groups that accomplish similar goals. It has blind orders a la Xwing or epic40k 2nd edition. You can only issue them to units in command range. Units out of command just repeat their previous order and have to test to do it otherwise they fall back.

Then you alternate activating command groups for a random amount of orders using one of the worst initiative systems I've come across.

But the fun part is when you buy a unit in force building you pick a psychological profile, which affects how it plays with some of the systems.

Elite units can break of from command groups and act completely independently. Hive units have unlimited command range but all disband if the command unit dies. Mercenaries are cheaper always have to test to activate, which is a guaranteed success until they start taking stress, then they become less reliable. Plus a few more that have different effects.

It keeps the one-off special rules bloat down and avoids having to make a ton of bespoke units while still letting you inject a bunch of flavor and play style choices into your force.

[twin mountain]

That is excellent

[umbral prawn]

Are you going to make a GAME out of it that I can PLAY?

[twin mountain]

You're right I should finish that prototype for strike trigger thank you

[autumn sun]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/solwyte/the-promised-land-0

[echo marten]

Makes notes

[clear shadow]

Ooooooo

That's such a neat idea

[ocean holly]

I actually have a similar idea percolating

[compact leaf]

Speaking of aerials - Feiquan has a pitcher for some reason

[supple shale]

On the off chance there’s anybody in here who backed the Defiance Games ks back in 2013 and hasn’t seen this yet: