Indie+Alternative Wargaming

[clear shadow]

The Australians?

[echo marten]

Anti-War, actually but the Australians are next.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729896234877452371/1351427445311541299/image.png?ex=67dcf963&is=67dba7e3&hm=bd255dcb9617ee9afc860442bd4795786bbcab24fa468902aa57793333b2807d&

First sketch of general form

3 characters, 1 for each subfaction (Counterculture, Divine and Protest)

[clear shadow]

O that's sick

The idea of an Anti-War faction in a wargame is just really cool

[echo marten]

Making them work mechanically is the tricky thing but the big thing they have is that they've got exceptional morale, even if they're a bit pillow fisted. Their game plan is less 'table the other army' and more 'Force them off objectives and be both brave and durable enough to still hold them at the end of the game'.

As I wanted them to feel like they're not an army but unlike USSR Conscripts or American Draftees, they're the only guys who are there By Choice.

[clear shadow]

Seems like a fun playstyle

They would probably also have the advantage in action economy over the other factions right?

Since having great morale and discipline causes them to generate less fatigue

I'm pretty sure

It's been a little bit since I've read through riposte

[gusty basalt]

hi hello so i found a wonderfull mod on TTS for Trench Crusade it has everything, everything you say YES, customizable terrain: YES all up to date rules for armies and the game: YES mini models: YES
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3352238055&searchtext=trench+crusade

[echo marten]

Yeah. They've also got some stuff that helps them recover there too. One of the upgrades for their Basic Transport (Boogie Vans) turns it into a Hippie Van and gives it an action where it can clear a point of fatigue from an ally 1/round.

They might not have 'Heavy Weapons' or 'Lots of Armour' but they do have a lot of support supplies and their transports have Stealth because until someone pops out the top with a shotgun or the enemy get really close, it's...just a civilian vehicle. You wouldn't be shooting at a civilian vehicle without cause, would you?

[echo marten]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/729896234877452371/1352814695236501524/image.png?ex=67df625d&is=67de10dd&hm=863c98464067fb488adedebec8711b80518f2db11eb91485601ac4ef7ab8ecc8&

oooh, updated sketch

[maiden abyss]

You would when people start popping out the tops of them with shotguns

[tepid steeple]

went 2-1 in infinity event today :)

had a tough game 2 against the winner

vCombined are just scary but also I did big mistakes

and some rough luck

[twin mountain]

Congrats!

[tepid steeple]

Thank you!

[next pilot]

nice job, what faction were you playing?

[tepid steeple]

Ramah Task Force!

posted my lists here

[next pilot]

which subfaction is that for?

haqquislam?

[tepid steeple]

yup!

it's the main like, professional military stuff. Big mech, basic troops that synergise really well, and incredibly wild super soldiers

[modern snow]

How'd the Nourkias debuff go?

[tepid steeple]

Ill be honest I have no idea if they even had any

Yeah no don’t think so. Was an anathematic mainly

[sudden halo]

I guess that is meaningful in its own way. Would have been pretty odd to not see ol Nourk two weeks ago.

Also congrats!

[tepid steeple]

Thanks ^^

[sleek trail]

Yeah baby ramah

[modern snow]

More like dorkias, amirite?

[sudden halo]

made a go-pod proxy

[compact leaf]

Imma be real, not a single person in my local meta took a Nourk once this edition until he got changed a few days ago. And over half of our players are CA

Maybe they're averse to powerful characters like we are, idk

[sudden halo]

Could be. We had a satellite locally in February and several people going to Adepticon to play that one so most of what you see from the more experienced players are high tier tournament lists, or absolute jank, and usually not much in between.

[tepid steeple]

This fucks!!! Holy shit!

[modern snow]

Yeah the "I'm not gonna play X character because it'll be a NPE" effect is real

[midnight vine]

Idk if anyone else follows guildball but it recently got its yearly errata

[sudden halo]

On a stick and with the copod

[next pilot]

out of curiosity, how does infinity list building work?

[left onyx]

Oh nice, any standout changes?

[midnight vine]

honestly, no not really, just mostly tapping stuff in line

https://steamforged.com/en-gb/blogs/brands/balance-update-guild-ball-2025

hammer change is cool

none of the guilds I play (cooks, navs, miners) got touched much, with the only change being to the miners striker but it's mostly a sidegrade when she's in miners

actually I also really like what they did for snakeskin

[compact leaf]

It's actually extremely simple (and you should be using the app for everything because it's free and very very good):

• you will have a set amount of points as a limit to your army
• you can bring a maximum of 15 troopers
• you will have combat groups that share activation points (orders), each one can fit at most 10 troopers
• you have a number of SWC available to spend, special weapons and technology cost SWC.
• you need 1 lieutenant and cannot have more than 1 lieutenant

And that's really it

You just get to pick and choose whatever units you want so long as you don't go over the points and SWC limit and have one of them as a lieutenant

And don't have more than 15 slots taken up

Obviously, actually making the choices is the hard part, but the army building itself is incredibly freeform

[twin mountain]

damn they're still updating guild ball

I thought they gave up on this

The GBCP themselves continue to diligently serve the future of the game. Late last year, they led a strong recruitment drive for new playtesters, resulting in a huge influx of new talent to help us develop new content (like the upcoming Game Plan deck, and the Lumberjack's Minor Guild). They’ve also been hard at work revitalising existing content with balance updates like this one!

Without the GBCP, their incredible playtesters, and their tireless work to support the game, Guild Ball development just wouldn’t be possible in the same way. Everything you’re about to see has been part of a collaborative effort between Steamforged Games Ltd, and the Guild Ball Community Project.

The following breakdown has been pulled together by a combination of Steamforged Games Senior Product Owner, Jamie Perkins, and Guild Ball Community Project Steering Committee Chair, Niels Hermkens. Let’s get into it!

ahhhhhhhhhhhh.

[next pilot]

wait the lamplighter's weren't added, why is mercury listed as one

they were one of the minor guilds who didn't come out before the game was canned

alongside the bankers (masons), the fools (brewers), and the militia (blacksmiths)

[midnight vine]

they were

they were created by the gbcp, then when steamforged picked up the game again they made them official

[twin mountain]

Ooooooo

[midnight vine]

following up on this cause I remembered to, mason's minor (the lumberjacks) are currently being developed

[next pilot]

Huh I could’ve sworn it was bankers, lumberjacks fits better though

[midnight vine]

I think it was floated at one point to be bankers

I think lumberjacks was decided by a community vote?

they're also doing a new gameplan deck, because the old one is a bit stale now due to being the only gameplans for a fair while

I'm actually kinda happy with where guildball is, as someone who plays like one online tourney every 3-6 months

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/live/OfTlyXWv1H0 @maiden ermine lmao

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DHlluOKoIJ4/?igsh=dnp0b3BxbXdyNm9l

[autumn sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbKYjNPfTRI

[maiden ermine]

well this sure is something

[twin mountain]

It sure is!

[maiden ermine]

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:qk5hzxu36x3nw3besxyzzvh2/post/3ll5gvx3zhd2g?ref_src=embed

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This is the universe primer to learn all about BattleTech: Gothic!

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Bluesky · Mar 24, 2025, 7:00 PM

dubious hat

I'm gonna be real this seems like a terrible idea

[maiden abyss]

What is this?
I can't watch the videos right now

[maiden ermine]

some kind of strange gimmick AU as far as I can tell

[twin mountain]

I just had to send it to you

[maiden ermine]

😔

[twin mountain]

@steady swallow in the grim darkness of the...

checks notes

Human sphere

There is only war

[steady swallow]

huh. okay!

[twin mountain]

@echo marten they finally made mechs for Catholics

[steady swallow]

aw he has a lil cape

[twin mountain]

https://youtu.be/Qdj7iANMRSk

[echo marten]

Battletech loves them. Several years ago, they released Battlerun.

Which extrapolated 'what if elves had guns' to 'what if elves had a mad cat and used it to shoot dragons'

This looks like a high budget version of this joke.

[maiden ermine]

okay but at least that's the same publisher

battletech gothic seems like they're trying to get sued by the famously kind and forgiving legal team of games workshop

[next pilot]

Monsters vs mecha is cool though, and I prefer the monsters

[orchid leaf]

I would expect a suite about BTG to go about as well as the second harmony gold lawsuit went (The reseen were ruled to not be infingment)

[hollow crypt]

What

Incomprehensible

Why are they doing this

[sand cloak]

Spec is that this is an experiment to sell if modular mini kits sell.

Because the starter set for BT Gothic has modular parts for the starter set mechs!!!!!

I want them, because honestly, I can just go with the backstory that they're movie props that got remilitarized and there's a stupid pirate band using them.

[next pilot]

Also to get the 40K crows to try and get interested

[orchid leaf]

like GW not been suporitng there own Giant stompy robots game, right?

[teal cloud]

Nope
Titanicus got dropped for legion imperialis, which only involves the Horus Heresy. Rip chaos and xeno players

[autumn sun]

That'll probably get dropped too, eventually.

[teal cloud]

The heresy line has done a lot better than I would have expected at making more dudes to sell but yeah, armored vehicles are not so easy to retcon into existence

At least, if you're not battletech - who routinely says "this goob's always been around" enough that it's normal

[tepid steeple]

The mechanicus questoris just got announced for plastic and still come with titanicus stuff

There are deader games

[orchid leaf]

This Goob has been around for 400 years and out of production for 350 of them, is more normal for BTech TBH

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[sand cloak]

Yeah, like BT can introduce a mech by going "Really common during the first Star League before the coup. It's coming back now because of lostech being found."

[teal cloud]

Yeah true there is a lot of ways to keep a machine rare.

[left onyx]

40K has mechs with whole cathedrals on their back, there's already competition there

[twin mountain]

Damn

[sand cloak]

Hey, so, is anyone else hearing or getting stuff about other BT spinoffs?

Because in another server, someone else heard that BT is also getting a 50's raygun inspired spinoff.

[orchid leaf]

Just that there will be more curentaly

[modern snow]

Steampunk and cyberpunk are two additional Hat Settings that have been floated

[sleek trail]

Battletech gothic sounds so much like battlefleet gothic i honestly am shocked james hasnt sent them a strongly worded letter

[sand cloak]

_>

Steampunk BT mechs...

I wanna see what a locust would look like that.

[sudden halo]

I'm taking this list, named "pridewasariot" to the Adepticon narrative event

Tryna cram as much trans rep into one list as possible.

[tepid steeple]

Yayyyyy

[sudden halo]

My second list for that is much less excitingly themed but does bring a Lizard so I'm pretty excited to play it as well.

[tepid steeple]

Lizard is fun

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzbf6nqoDKQ @fallen rune @maiden ermine @steady swallow

wait sorry did I just link this earlier?

my bad

thought it was something new

I guess they reposted the tweet on youtube

[fallen rune]

I haven’t seen it yet so the reminder is welcome

The video I mean I’ve seen it linked but I haven’t watched it yet

[hollow crypt]

I will say the modular mechs are kinda neat, and the box set looks sweet but like

it's still battletech gothic

[sand cloak]

Look, they made a mistake in making this Warhammer adjacent instead of Gothic Gothic.

Come on! We coulda had some of the houses be Frankenstein, Werewolf, and Dracula!!!!

The Combine could've literally been remixed into an interstellar vampiric shogunate.

[tepid steeple]

Some shots our warcor took of my game today

[sudden halo]

Nice!

[tepid steeple]

We played acquisition and its a kinda weird cagey mission tbh! Won in the end, helped a lot by putting opp into LoL by inadvertently killing their LT and chain of command which but a big dent in their rush objectives turn 3 by going second plan

[compact leaf]

Alrighty

Time to spam the chat with new shit again

(sorry in advance)

[echo marten]

Redeye seems fun

[compact leaf]

Actual model

[tepid steeple]

Oh its a remote presence unit

[echo marten]

They got A Drone

Also: Kestral Colonial force. Oh boy, we get more of PanO being the Fucking Worst!

Seriously PanO, why did you name your Alien Colonial Subjects Helots? That is like in the list of Most Evil Names you could have picked.

[tepid steeple]

Infinity factions love naming things like that

[compact leaf]

I think that's everything?

[sudden halo]

New oda looks great

Cordelia too

Scarface is meh, I don't love the pose

[sudden halo]

The Infinity alignment chart is basically

Do you get libertos? Good guy

Do you get helots? Bad guy.

(100% not true at all, but it was for Tohaa vs spiral so I meme it)

[echo marten]

...wait, why are the renegades listead as combined army? Isn't their thing not being combined army any more?

[compact leaf]

They've always been there, at least in Morats

[sudden halo]

They get hired by the maf and CA for jobs that the Morats don't think are honorable.

[compact leaf]

Mhm

And there are a couple human NA2 factions that get em

[sudden halo]

Feels like kind of a clan "dark caste" thing from Battletech where officially there totally exiles but oh when you need to do something you're not supposed to you know where to go

[sudden halo]

It's down to just ikari now.

I like that the krakot is using human equipment

Except like the boots and gun

Played the Adepticon narrative event today. I captained the Livingston Dynamics team, a goofy biotech group, and lead us to dead fucking last

[compact leaf]

Anyhow
I uh
I can't decide if I like the RedEye or not-

[echo marten]

No ALEPH or Haqq models sighted?

[compact leaf]

None

[sudden halo]

We did manage to unleash biotechvore not once, not twice, but three times, making life very difficult for everyone else, and causing half the play zone to be vented into space.

[compact leaf]

CA is getting a team Achilles announcement at GenCon

[compact leaf]

I'm trying to figure out if it'll look okay with my Desert camo scheme?

If not..
I could try to decal it with the snake the scheme is based on

Shenji Ying is so fucking good though on my god

[sudden halo]

It was a really silly event. A 3 round resops adjacent mission but with extra custom objectives and shit like the TAG raid beasts getting unleashed, btv plagues, and areas being vented into space and having frostbyte rules. Your team scored points on the tables you played and were fighting to control territory.

[tepid steeple]

Wooden spoon!

These models are pretty awesome

I think the vystrel couldve been cooler

I like the new scarface n cordelia and think the scarface model probably looks better from like. Tabletop angle

Oda is cool, i really like the hvt but idk if the model will be as cool

[compact leaf]

Her model is posted above

[tepid steeple]

Am i being blind?

[compact leaf]

Is in this one penny, it's the last one :)

[tepid steeple]

Nooo

Ik odas model is cool

But the hvt in that trio

[compact leaf]

Very cute!

[tepid steeple]

Oh yeah and yamabushi just has so much going on what the heck

[compact leaf]

Is a solo model!

[compact leaf]

(and the loadout we'll take most often)

I think they put that one out specifically for Kestrel players

I do hope the drummers box comes with another operator though..

It'd be awkward to have 2 drones but not actually be able to use the box to run two of them :b

[compact leaf]

Blop
Forgot this

[echo marten]

...Warg Riders? Do they also do a fantasy game or did Nomads do a weird again?

[tepid steeple]

warcrow lol

[twin mountain]

[echo marten]

Now I'm dissapointed. Gimme my Strategos model and even better, do not give it the Strategos rule just for extra player confusion.

😛

[tepid steeple]

Hes a man on stool!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1251126344775897110/1355116959292985484/trategos_painted.PNG?ex=67e7c283&is=67e67103&hm=a8b0a0f0a35eed2dce8c303f1f45b634347ff8d7a87bdc94925a43b9905108fd&

[compact leaf]

That's all of em

Last lady is a merc you can use in any faction

[tepid steeple]

The fucked up thing about warcrow is all the models look amazing so its impossible to pick a faction

[compact leaf]

The game is slowly getting fleshed out!

[compact leaf]

Iirc this is Feudom (legally distinct bretonnia) and Dweghom (DORF)

[tepid steeple]

Kinda surprised it wont be feudom vs dorfs but I might pick up the box cause my partner loves freaks and what they’ve shown so far of feudom is dope

[compact leaf]

You were saying?

[tepid steeple]

Ah no its the scions chaos elf ppl

Vs feudom

[compact leaf]

Ahhh

I guess they do need a starter despite WCA being a thing

Dwarves should be shortly after them though!

[tepid steeple]

Yeah its kinda surprising cause technically models are out already but yeah

Really getting in full swing

[compact leaf]

There were some teasers for em at the event

Even a few models you could see in the background

[tepid steeple]

The new hegemony horses are so good. Winged hussars and pistol mounted leader

And then the wood elves are so good, and northern tribes are so good, its untenable xP

The battle box should be a good pickup though if it comes with the stuff the base one did

[compact leaf]

They're all very well made versions of generic fantasy factions is my one point of contention.
At least to me.

Yalbadoath is the most unique

[tepid steeple]

I think the warhammer fantasy influences are worn on the sleeve

[compact leaf]

Yeaha

Especially with Feudom

[tepid steeple]

But I think hegemony style stuff is actually like, more uncommon than youd think

As is the execution of northern tribes imo

[compact leaf]

It's not a negative to me totally, but it's sorta keeping me away from it (that and I don't know what a full size game looks like)

I do appreciate the inclusion of Varanks though
They really flesh stuff out a lot more

[tepid steeple]

Ye

[compact leaf]

And yeah, Embersig's whole "we are all the peoples of the land" is not super common, you're right

Their aesthetic though
Definitely is

[tepid steeple]

Idk I think like

[compact leaf]

-Is what I would've said a while ago but

[tepid steeple]

Quasi-pop-medieval is a lot more common

[compact leaf]

Ye

[tepid steeple]

Oh also the worgs are so cool?? Friggin skeleton spirit beasties

[compact leaf]

We're still gonna stay at an arm's length.
I want to see more of how warcrow factions diverge from what they're inspired by

[hot comet]

We finally have a Trench Crusade Map

https://bsky.app/profile/trenchcrusade.bsky.social/post/3llhwf77ldk2q

(@trenchcrusade.bsky.social)

Behold, The Lands of the Great Powers who hold back the Foetid Dark.

This highly requested map of the world of Trench Crusade was illustrated by the incomparable Jared Blando!

#trenchcrusade #trenchcrusadelore

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Bluesky · Mar 28, 2025, 11:04 PM

[tepid steeple]

Shouldve renamed the ocean the satantlantic smh

[echo marten]

I'm kinda dissapointed to find out that france Still Has Royalty. Makes my French homebrew kinda...not really functional for the setting. XD

[sleek trail]

most of iran being within the wall is unexpected but cool

[fallen rune]

Huh

That’s a lot less hell controlled territory then I expected for “1/3rd of the population”

[supple shale]

Avignon lmao

[maiden abyss]

What happened at Avignon

[fallen rune]

Fell to the forces of the black grail at the close of the grail wars it looks like

https://www.facebook.com/trenchcrusadeofficial/posts/-missionaries-of-the-black-grail-this-is-black-grail-lore-so-unnaturally-things-/548819394854572/

[maiden abyss]

Damn

[supple shale]

Famously the historical seat of IRL antipopes

[tawny sandal]

Man, the Great Iron Wall is bigger than I thought, which is nice

[teal cloud]

In TC it's a bastion of the black grail plague, with its own half-pig anti-popes.

[tawny sandal]

Oh man I just noticed the lil Bird Legged House in Siberia

[teal cloud]

baba be yaga'ing

[left onyx]

... I wonder if it's a "still has royalty" or a "has royalty again", but then again the HRE is still around so prolly the former

Oh hey also Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

Oh also also the Golden Khanate, huh

Perm as an independant kingdom also feels weird, given context

[tawny sandal]

Also, Finland is having a rough go of it it seems

[teal cloud]

frankly their woods are spooky enough that I don't think it makes much of a difference.

[hot comet]

I mean all the black metal bands lost in the woods have to come from somewhere

[calm mantle]

It annoys me that they've just got the modern welsh flag for Wales. It's just sort of weird to have such a firmly Tudor symbol considering the alt history starts being different centuries before then.

[echo marten]

The irish one is also early. The harp got used in the 1300s but the split was centuries before that.

[calm mantle]

And I guess the English decided whilst fighting in the mega war for all of humanity to still go invade Wales? Then have a guy with Welsh ancestry go win a English civil war with green and white house colours?

[sudden sundial]

Unfortunately, the english remain english even in the most hellish timeline

[tawny sandal]

There are noted to have still been internal wars, and that the Ultra Hell War is kinda a Hundred Years War situation where there’s many years where it’s just scattered skirmishes rather than full-blown war

Sometimes the frontlines are just kinda quiet

[tepid steeple]

My infinity group are talking about TC and I was like ‘i mean I do find parts of this interesting’ and now this map has come out and frustrated me all over again

[maiden abyss]

They invented molotov cocktails to deal with ice demons

[nova plover]

Huh alamut is outside the walls

[devout wasp]

Does Genoa control Milan?

Also I wonder if Toulouse still ended up as part of France

[midnight vine]

what will france do without it's pair of toilets

two loos

[sudden sundial]

I guess they'll make doo with waterloo

[devout wasp]

Actually, seeing as they specifically mark out the royal domains of France, they apparently didn't

[next pilot]

crisis protocol is doing 10 man starter sets with msrp under 100$

[echo marten]

How is the game? As those models look really solid

[twin mountain]

https://youtu.be/vqLGkU9kcKg

[autumn sun]

"Short form" but an hour long.

[compact leaf]

I am scared to see what a "long form" is

XD

Phenomenal models and paint jobs though

[sand cloak]

Yeah

[sudden halo]

End of day 1 of the Adepticon infinity tournament, I'm 2-1, sitting at 11th of 50 playing Bakunin.

First game was pretty miserable. 0-9 vs Hassassins on Unmasking. I had a bad first turn and that's all I got because my opponent played really slow. He was very nice and I'm non confrontational but I'm still a little salty.

Second game was capture and protect vs Shasvastii. Won 8-1, with every model killed except a Noctifer Spitfire that revealed bottom of turn 3. This one mostly came down to the fact that I played Shas in my local Satellite so I was able to read my opponents list like a book and counter every surprise.

Game 3 was a similar outcome, 9-3 on Firefight vs Shindenbutai. First turn was a bit rough and I had trouble getting through his irregulars. He kept making saves with his unarmored kyojin killers and Yamabushi. Eventually I did and he wasn't able to accomplish much on his turn. When it rolled back around I was able to knock out the rest of his offensive pieces and Wolfgang killed his Metsuke officer, then on turn three, after taking very little damage Wolfgang ran through the entire rest of his army leaving just an Evo bot and an unrevealed Raiden

My travel companions are doing pretty well. One has played maybe 5 games and is at 23 and the other is at 31. I think the level of competition is a little lower here than it was at Attack on Atlanta. There are some very good players but a lot of 2-3 games a year Adepticon is their only tournament players. It is cool playing with a fair amount of wargaming/minis celebs and hanging out at completely random times.

[native portal]

11th of 50 is hella good

[sudden halo]

I'm really happy with it. Hopefully I can keep it up into tomorrow

We have Supplies and Decap

[tepid steeple]

thats awesome!

good luck tomorrow!!

[twin mountain]

Good luck wren!

[compact leaf]

Best of luck!

[fallen rune]

https://bsky.app/profile/voxbelicosa.bsky.social/post/3llmmkz7tfs2h

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War Wolf #trenchcrusade

Bluesky · Mar 30, 2025, 7:51 PM

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[tepid steeple]

funny doggy

[sudden halo]

Finished the tournament at 6th! Super happy with my result.

[tepid steeple]

Wooo!!!

congrats and well played

[sudden halo]

Thanks! I feel like I really had a shot if my first game didn't go badly.

[twin mountain]

I think the warcrow mod has a 3rd faction

hmmm but maybe only in spanish

[orchid tulip]

Warcrow mod?

Warcrow itself has 4 factions from what I can tell'

Hegemony, Tribes, Scions and Sÿenann

[twin mountain]

yeah the tts mod

[orchid tulip]

Which extra faction does it have?

[twin mountain]

red demons looks like

but only in spanish

[sand sonnet]

Well I came back from Adepticon with a pile of new Shatterpoint things, and Mobile Arms, so I consider it a success.

[sudden halo]

Glad you had a good con! I had a blast hanging out, meeting people, and playing games. Really felt good to see my name among some of the well known truly skilled infinity players at the end of the big event.

Also big congrats to @modern snow!!! Mobile Arms sold out completely. All models, all bundles, all print products. At one point they were breaking open bundles to get more stuff on the shelf and they still managed to sell everything a la carte.

[tepid steeple]

Thats awesomeee

[twin mountain]

Mobile! Arms!!!

When they can't hold down your limbs

https://youtu.be/bwAioN2mtsA

[sudden halo]

cant wait for the sequel, Mobile Feets

[sand sonnet]

My only complaint is I forgot to buy magnets for the models I picked up, and my local shop doesn't have 5mm x 2mm ones in stock.

[sudden halo]

I know they sell them on the BSS website, and I'm sure they're available lots of places but 5x2 is a semi-unique size.

At least I think so... I don't play any games with large vehicles so they might be more common in those.

[sand sonnet]

I have a lot of magnets in imperial measurements.

[trail fulcrum]

I don't trust any announcements made today

[twin mountain]

Was made yesterday

[trail fulcrum]

Aghhh

[orchid tulip]

I think I saw stuff about this over a week ago

[sand sonnet]

There was a big banner for it at Adepticon.

[tepid steeple]

Approximation of terrain

Its weird

Just gonna be generous with obscuring and play by intent

[autumn sun]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crooked-dice/night-terrors-28mm-sci-fi-horror-skirmish-for-7tv

[tepid steeple]

I oopsied I now realise

[twin mountain]

is adepticon over?

👀

wondering when to start harassing cosu again

[orchid tulip]

Behave, WInged

[twin mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-cat-annoy-dance-gif-15201978410322395140

[sand sonnet]

Sunday was the last day of the con.

[orchid tulip]

Let the man rest

[sand sonnet]

I finally got the demo sunday and he'd been shouting over the con all weekend and was powering through with cough drops, I wouldn't be surprised if he caught the con crud after all that and needs a few days.

[sudden halo]

Yeah, that's rough for infinity. Id really enforce the "if a S1 can't fit through it we consider it solid" house rule on a table like that.

[tepid steeple]

Oh no my mistake was wrong channel haha

Playing 40k

[sudden halo]

I caught the con crud so it wouldn't surprise me if Corey did too. I did talk to him a bit about the TTS mod, it's probably two weeks out. Everything functions super well and they're just doing a final polish pass to make sure it lives up to the standards they've set for themselves for a 1st party TTS mod.

[tepid steeple]

Get well soon!

[sand sonnet]

I expected to catch something and somehow dodged it, hope whatever crud you got passes quick.

[twin mountain]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b01a77b8e35669abad06e5d0ffbb6c08/78ec1c4f32730d8a-eb/s400x600/6dffa4ba9e5beba67504a7979d26eac43416509f.gif

[twin mountain]

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/lord-of-skulls-tournament-win @fast glade @austere isle

[echo marten]

Hahahah

[tawny sandal]

I always loved that big, stupid unit

The LGS I spent a lot of time at when I was younger had one in the case and it always amused me

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRrNsAtqbfY

[sleek trail]

Funny news

Probably worth noting this is in indie/alt wargames

And not warhammer

[twin mountain]

oh yeah good point

it just looked so stupid I forgot

[sleek trail]

It is significantly more fun than warhammer usually is

[autumn sun]

Warhammer needs more of this silly stuff winning.

Give people a reason to use the goofy units.

[tawny sandal]

Has anyone played Fistful of TOWs? If you have, what’s your thoughts on it?

[sudden halo]

I have read it and like the idea but I haven't played it

[tawny sandal]

I don’t know that much about it, I’ve just kinda hear about it being used a good bit by people

[supple shale]

The Pipeline:
start with 15mm Team Yankee —> switch to 6mm for TY —> switch to Fistful of TOWs since you’re already in 6mm

Many such cases!

[modern snow]

WAIT DID WE MEET AT ADEPTICON

am I having a massive goober moment

[modern snow]

I am in my con crud era

so I'm still recovering lol

[twin mountain]

congrats on your amazing con cosuuu!

[sand sonnet]

In your defense it was Sunday, and we were all fried.

[sudden halo]

Now I'm wondering if I met you at any point. Did you go to the gender minority meetup? I was there for the first bit but the space got really hot so I bailed about 30 minutes in.

[twin mountain]

Gender minorities are very hot yes

[sand sonnet]

I did not sadly. I was TO'ing Shatterpoint basically the entire convention.

So if you played Shatterpoint you saw me.

Or if you're Cosu and I came over to demo your game.

[sudden halo]

I maybe saw you briefly as I walked up Sunday while he was doing a demo but it was like 3 seconds because we had to find lunch during the break between infinity rounds

[tepid steeple]

Infinity update!

[compact leaf]

I.. cannot find a changelog for anything lmao

Ohhhh

Oh my god

[sleek trail]

any highlights?

[sudden halo]

Super jump nerfed. Climbing plus buffed to work like N4. Turrets can't be reloaded. Speedball has to be used on an ally, the bearer can't use on themselves.

Oh and they kicked the Taquel while they were down by nerfing endgame for no reason.

[velvet badge]

Poor Taquel gets to be the special unit with endgame and doesn't even get to enjoy that

[tepid steeple]

super jump is complicated tbh

its actually a buff on some units if youre move-attacking

most of them really

(an insane buff technically, because they forgot to remove jump 8 from a ton of things and they now jump like 12-14)

so pleased that climbing plus was reverted

and that turrets were targetted directly with baggage left alone

speedball nerf is pretty sensible imo, much less of an autoinclude and the options are more balanced with each other too

[compact leaf]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if that was intended though

[sudden halo]

Yeah, the go-pod, which is already pretty fucking strong got a double buff with getting 11" jump when shooting and the Jet Propulsion clarification meaning it's super maneuverable

[tepid steeple]

played highly classified tonight :)

[compact leaf]

We're doing Mindwipe

[tepid steeple]

opp didnt have time to see changes but told them abt speedball. the shift from 'stick it on a piece to be a pain' to the still pretty great auto engineer/doctor is good I think. especially as it means you dont have reactive pieces with a ton of health, it costs orders, etc

mindwipe is fun!

this was my list and it went really well

scored 2 public + 1 hidden and definitely had the ability to sweep it, just forgot my plan to do one and failed roll on t'other

hakim's debut he did a buncha nothin haha

the burkut engineer is amazing though

also first time using guided missiles! and four remotes! it was fun haha

[autumn sun]

https://rxddit.com/r/TrenchCrusade/comments/1jqm7ig/bomb_witch_ready_to_grind/

[tawny sandal]

I love how “Artillery Witch doing sick tricks/motosports” is a meme in the Trench Crusade community

I hope it continues

[compact leaf]

Well
The game ended on the very first turn of the game

Some terribly unlikely rolls happened, and I managed to turn all my opponent's big guns off in reactive with shitty disposable dudes

And my opponent had had a bad day so... We agreed we wouldn't subject ourselves to even more ridiculous dice rolls

[tepid steeple]

Oof

[tawny sandal]

Hey, those who’ve played Fistful of TOWs, how is it as a play experience? I see that it’s an IGYG (which I find less appealing as I get older and more experienced in other varieties of wargames) but I heard it has a pretty robust reaction system as well?

Also, does anyone have recommendations of games kinda like it to take a glance at, as in bigger battle, smaller scale “modern” (as in 20th to 21st century) combat?

[sudden halo]

I hear team Yankee is good if you play in 6mm, but it's still basically flames of war so it's basically a Warhammer skin

Micro armor is kind of the classic but idk if it holds up. I've not ever played it.

[native portal]

It's good

The guiding core of its design is playing fast

I had fun playing it, constructing armies can be a pain, some of the rules are hard to remember like artillery

But I think it's a really solid cold war ruleset

I wouldn't say the reaction system is super robust but yeah a lot of the game is leap-frogging overwatch and holding sight lines

so units can either move and then hold their fire until the other player's firing phase

or not move and set up overwatch positions

and overwatch also lets you shoot and then fuck off out of LoS

And there's rules about fire being simultaneous in the firing phase, and to avoid abusing hold fire and spotting units

The only thing that I hate doing is remembering the artillery rules

[tawny sandal]

I fell like this is a thing where you kinda have to make a lil card with the parts relevant to your specific situation lol

[native portal]

This is the quick reference card 😛

[tawny sandal]

I mean making a qrc for the qrc lol

[native portal]

It's actually not THAT complex

when you remember the rules it's really fast

I'm just forgetful

[tawny sandal]

It seems like once you know what you’re looking for this sheet would be okay

[native portal]

1. roll to see how much support your artillery can give you
2. Check how big the barrage will be, place tokens
3. Roll accuracy (if you roll a 1 move on to uhh Artillery Incidents)
4. Cross check effectiveness
5. Roll for resolving fire

[tawny sandal]

Yeah, again this seems like you just need to do it

[native portal]

This table is rarely used but is VERY funny

[tawny sandal]

Also I heard Fistful is hilariously full of extra rules, up to including “what if you wanna use a tac nuke”

[native portal]

you need a roll of a 1 and then a 0 or less on a d6 adjusted for quality

[tawny sandal]

I love a SNAFU table

[native portal]

5 or less: Observer gave own coordinates

[tawny sandal]

Whoopsy Daisy

[native portal]

Airdrops require you to physically drop things

on the table

[hollow crypt]

god that's silly

[native portal]

:3

this game also gives you 10 seconds to line up your airstrikes because that's all the time the lead pilot has

it wants you to play F A S T

[tawny sandal]

Incredible

I may have to seriously consider picking this up

What’s the scale? Both for miniatures and combat size

[native portal]

Not set

there are recommendations

[tawny sandal]

Interesting

How would you rate the playability/learnability?

[twin mountain]

LMAO the fan @austere isle @twin turret

[native portal]

Pretty easy to pick up for people who have played games before OR who understand the period, y'know

[native portal]

big fan of their footnotes with design explanations

they even have an end chapter of designers notes

[twin mountain]

LOL

[sand cloak]

Hey, so quick question, especially to anyone who does the business side of things.

If these tariffs aren't gone, uh, what exactly happens to a lot of games that use models?

Especially models from smaller outfits?

[red pulsar]

same as every other consumer good in the u.s. economy

it gets way more expensive

if it even still exists

[sand cloak]

Okay

And if it still exists would a lot of games switch to paper models or standees?

[native portal]

The smaller ones are likely to go out of business first

the larger ones will tank it

[sand cloak]

Or would that even be more nonviable compared to the current process?

[sand cloak]

Very true

And unfortunate for the smaller games/studios.

[native portal]

I hope trench crusade is okay

but a lot of the older like, historical mini people

honestly just retire??

I keep seeing small studios go out of business when things get rough and the dude in charge is like 'well I'm old anyway'

[sudden halo]

a lot of the small studios that do mostly paper products and stls/3d prints are going to do better than the mid sized ones that invested more heavily into manufacturing minis overseas

[tawny sandal]

Depends where and how they are made tbh

[sudden halo]

though material costs are going to go up for resins and stuff, it won't be as bad as the increased cost on PVC/injection molded minis made in china

[tawny sandal]

Since something that’s just STLs or someone casting minis in their own shop might be fine, stuff that’s outsourced is gonna be hit hard

[sudden halo]

but there are tons of companies and tons of different ways things are made, each individual case is going to be different

[left onyx]

Trench Crusade seems to lean a lot on STLs and not distributing minis themselves

[sudden halo]

i know BSS is mostly fine, took a hit on a few things and has to change some future plans but they make stuff mostly in house.

I expect like Catalyst to particularly have trouble

or the big minis kickstarter companies like CMON and Steamforged

[left onyx]

And few of the small studios are made by GW alumni and thius also based in the UK

IDK how many do in-house casting tho

[sudden halo]

Yeah. Most of the old school manufacturers will be fine, they make stuff in house. Like Essex, Old Glory, and Brigade. GW and Corvus Belli also do most production in house so they may have some changes of plans but probably not in any real danger.

Companies with bigger international fanbases will also do better, or domestic fanbases for companies not in the US. Which also means a lot of British companies will do fine.

[sudden halo]

This is a real risk though. We've got more young up and comers but there's a ton of old dudes that might just give up when the going gets tough.

One in particular I hope sticks around is Litko. It's mostly be materials costs for them since they make things in house but they're a small family run operation and I wind up getting all kinds of things from them both for games I play and to prototype games with.

[native portal]

litko bases are the best

they come in every fucking size and shape

every mini I own is on litko bases

[tawny sandal]

I’m not actually aware of Litko, what makes them special?

[sudden halo]

They're one of the earlier laser cutting companies on the scene. They make consistently high quality work, particularly bases of all stripes and sizes. They also do custom tokens and things.

A pretty unique thing they do is make a wide variety of flight bases and accessories for them.

Most of what I get from them are adhesive backed magnets sized for my bases for basically all of my minis.

[modern snow]

HELL YEAH

[sand sonnet]

We did a couple things wrong at first and I have some questions about how movement operates but overall a good time.

[modern snow]

Tarriffs have skewed some immediate MA plans, but not scuppered them. For example, we're weighing our options on how best to proceed, especially when it comes to finding tariff exemptions

[modern snow]

what's on your mind regarding movement?

[sand sonnet]

The rules state you place the template within the correct arc and then place the frame on the other end once again within the correct arc. There’s no concept of taking up space between those placements correct?

[modern snow]

nope! per the FAQ the template itself needs to fit and be placed on the battlefield floor (or more accurately whichever surface upon which the active frame rests) but the base itself does not need to fit the full distance. Just the beginning and end of the move.

[sand sonnet]

Cool sparks as we scrape both sides going through

We just assume my pilot is very good at making that thing fit in a small gap.

Works as I thought then though probably worth rewording or adding something if you print up new ruleboooks.

I like that templates are required to be end to end.

Just the right amount of feeling like a piloted thing without being too clunky

[sudden halo]

Agreed. It gives the frames that bit of unwieldyness that cassette futurism needs to feel right

[modern snow]

That's definitely on the shortlist. The Rulebook's in a revision cycle at the moment and it's one of the (many, frankly) clarifications that are sorely needed.

[sand sonnet]

No rulebook survives first contact with a playerbase.

I wouldn't worry too much.

[modern snow]

I'm grateful for it. This round of revisions is a direct result of the playerbase growing and genuinely engaging with the work. I'm grinning from ear to ear as I rewrite entire swathes of the thing.

something something Kill Your Darlings something

[sand sonnet]

Question on the pilot with a reroll surge ability, can they re-roll a dice that would then remove the surge result you used to re-roll?

[modern snow]

Yes! You're triggering the surge ability, then resolving it. The reroll occurs during resolution, so you have already met the surge's requirements in order to make the reroll in the first place.

[sand sonnet]

Attack resolution could use a timing chart or an order of symbol resolution

Assuming I didn’t miss that somewhere

[modern snow]

like this?

[sand sonnet]

Amazing

[modern snow]

It's something I'm working on for the revision

[sand sonnet]

Yup

[modern snow]

small poker-sized reference cards

[sand sonnet]

That helps clarify.

[tawny sandal]

Oh, in that case I think I had heard of them!

[twin mountain]

i'm helping!

re: testing ma

i'm glad the tariffs haven't screwed everything over. thank god for 3d printing? 😖

still makes cards and dice suck

[next pilot]

what game is this?

[sudden halo]

Mobile Arms

[twin mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/vectron-mitchell-and-webb-gif-21319222

[modern snow]

the Indie wargaming industry may limp along on the crutch that is 3d printing until this whole thing blows over

the board game industry has been kneecapped pretty hard from what I'm hearing

[twin mountain]

this whole situation sucks super hard yeah

yeah from what I understand board games in america are super screwed :(

[modern snow]

yup

[sand sonnet]

Expect to see a lot of the kickstarter to kickstarter shops closing pretty quick.

Some of the other big names will need to make changes or be forced to close/sell to like Asmodee or something.

[next pilot]

are the shops in america or outside of america?

[twin mountain]

almost everything tabletop is created outside america

printing books can be moved to inside america but cards, boards, tokens, dice - that's all china

consequently board games now don't exist in america

the industry just got nuked and it sucks

rpgs can still hobble along. 3D printed wargames too

(but do note lots of wargames involve cards, dice, tokens, etc even if you can print books and minis locally)

[next pilot]

and I'm guessing US is such a huge market that the tarrifs hurt it hard

I'm can so I'm going to be less affected, but they might still raise prices to deal with lowered revenue

[echo marten]

With how narrow the profit margins are, I'm not sure a lot of wargaming can absorb the tarrifs, even if they raise prices

[left onyx]

And also even if wargaming prices miraculously don't go up, if there's less money in people's pockets that can hurt just as much

[sudden halo]

We're gonna be back at saddle stitched zine games and writing mech names on bottle caps

[modern snow]

most will pivot to STLs and components printed (3D or otherwise) stateside

[sand sonnet]

Yeah the important thing to remember is that anyone outside of the US who is selling in the US will just increase prices, but anyone who is manufacturing elsewhere and putting it together here is pretty much going to have to rethink the entire business.

[teal cloud]

I fundamentally doubt that people like CGL will survive this, which really, really, really sucks

[sudden halo]

Lots of what ifs still. Lots of people even on the shitty side of American politics realizing the damage the tariffs will cause so they may be a flash in the pan. But scary overall for the hobby space. Well and just scary overall.

[next pilot]

Cgl?

[hollow crypt]

catalyst game labs

the battletech people

[compact leaf]

Yeah it's.. gonna be spooky :(

[sand cloak]

Yeah

Like, if the tariffs hold up. I honestly might see the wargames market shift to card games.

[tepid steeple]

Cards are probably gonna be hit pretty hard too

[fallen rune]

yeah haha

[sand cloak]

Oh yeah.

_>

[fallen rune]

The wargames market will just get smaller

[tepid steeple]

3d printing and digital rules is probably the biggest like

[sand cloak]

Man, I hope this doesn't kill Osprey's game arm.

They're gonna be putting out the 2nd edition of Badgers and Burrows.

[compact leaf]

The big thing I'm worried about is the board games and card games sector

Cause they mostly don't have things printed domestically

[sand cloak]

Yeah

and neither do TTRPG's.

Like books come up from Canada, yeah?

And I know there are a couple outfits that get their prints from China.

[fallen rune]

They're just gonna get more expensive

[sudden halo]

I feel like Osprey is probably going to be mostly okay. They're super book focused. Print copies will probably go up in price but that's probably it.

Assuming no knock on effects from other parts of the industry. That's really the big unknown, how parts of the industry sufferring will affect other parts

[compact leaf]

Probably a lot less retail too, tbh
I foresee a lot of Kickstarters just releasing their games and it being done. At least as long as these tariffs are in effect

But yeahhh it's uh...
Gonna be rather complicated huh

[sudden halo]

certainly the days of "here's 100 pounds of extra minis in stretch goals" are gone

[compact leaf]

Indeed

[fallen rune]

Yeah offset printing with kickstarters is already unfavorable and is gonna be way worse

[autumn sun]

Reaper Miniatures will probably be fine but I foresee them pausing any future Bones kickstarters if they continue to manufacture the bulk in China.

They have their own in-house production and they do have master molds sent over to them.

[fallen rune]

Post-tariffs Lancer's core book would probably be like 130-140 retail

Instead of 60

IDK how many people are gonna want to pay that

[compact leaf]

Yeah :(

[autumn sun]

Practically no one, considering $50 for a boutique hardbound full-color book still gets people to balk.

[sudden halo]

Print on Demand like Drivethru's stuff is going to be the norm i think

that's done domestically, the quality is lower but the price is pretty reasonable.

[autumn sun]

Yeah but Drivethru is raising their rates iirc

[sudden halo]

i mean everyone is going to be. their rates were probably low just based on inflation at this point.

[autumn sun]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2025/03/rpg-drivethrurpg-warns-publishers-of-rising-print-on-demand-costs-in-the-us.html Ah yeah they were saying this a month ago.

Like everyone else, they knew some dumb shit was going to drop.

[compact leaf]

There is a funky way to circumvent this but it involves getting warehouses in other places that aren't the states

Which is... Not necessarily viable

But could at least keep the tariffs from hitting non-US places as hard?
I'm not sure how it all works though..

[calm mantle]

That sounds like either it wouldnt work, or would be politically dangerous

[compact leaf]

Oh I don't mean shipping things to there, and then into the states

That is problematic and would cause legal issues

[echo marten]

But going from China to Australia direct

No American visit

[compact leaf]

Yeah basically

Or directly to wherever else

The issue is that the large majority of the consumer base for a lot of these games is still in the US :/

[tawny sandal]

What’s this? Animal-themed wargame?

[sand cloak]

Yes

Lemme lonk

https://www.ospreypublishing.com/us/burrows--badgers-second-edition-9781472864666/

` The Kingdom of Northymbra is a land in turmoil. King Redwulf is missing, and his son rules as regent in his stead, facing threats from within and without: growing dissention among the knights and nobles of the realm, whispers of revolution from the Freebeasts, Hillfolk raiding the borders, and bandits of all stripes making the most of the chaos.

Burrows & Badgers: Second Edition is a revised and expanded version of the popular tabletop skirmish game set in the ancient realm of Northymbra, a kingdom where mice, badgers, toads, and other animals wear armour, wield swords, and cast magic spells. This updated edition contains new content including additional background material, new species, warband types and a whole host of new spells, skills, and equipment. `

[tawny sandal]

Sounds cute!

[sleek trail]

osprey also is mostly in the UK market too, no?

[modern snow]

Yeah osprey is UK based IIRC and UK tariffs are some of the lowest on the list if I remember right

[sand cloak]

Heh, be funny if outfits decide to start having UK subsidiaries and then use them to ship stuff to the US.

Hmmmm. That probably would be illegal though.

[sand sonnet]

Not illegal but just probably more expensive than charging more in the US.

[tepid steeple]

I mean that depends right

Like you’d be paying stuff twice but theres a big gap between 10% and 54%

But it does mean stuff is gonna cost more regardless

[modern snow]

It also depends on the exemptions. If it turns out that "components" get exempted, all of a sudden we can do the song and dance of getting everything produced overseas, shipped in bulk, then the final assembly handled locally in the US.

Books can also be classified under "educational" materials, which are subject to lower rates overall

[sudden halo]

Gonna educate you on how to play the game

apparently

[sudden halo]

Played 1.5 games of silent death this weekend. Genuinely a solid little game. 2nd best space dogfighting game I've tried behind xwing (and very different). Best one that doesn't have pre-plotted movement.

At the same time I'm surprised there's so little in the space to challenge it. There's a good number of fleet games out there and some number of niche fill newtonion games but not many other pulp scifi dogfights.

[fallen rune]

Oh man Silent Death

[sudden halo]

It's a hex grid game, it feels like streamlined Battletech with the random is different spots. More than anything it has a lot of style which kind of draws you in as you keep playing.

I remember playing Silent Death Online, they made a top down space shooter MMO in like 2000 that ran for a bit but I didn't put together that it was also a tabletop game until like 3 months ago.

[sand sonnet]

I haven’t heard that name in a long time.

Good game.

[compact leaf]

Khawarij stonks up once again @tepid steeple
They have regained CC -6 :D

[tepid steeple]

Did they lose it?

[compact leaf]

For a time

[tepid steeple]

Oof

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-t7OPPAgTM

[autumn sun]

I really like their dragons and I've been trying to make an excuse to pick one up.

[twin mountain]

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/cardboard-dynamo/grave-trigger

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ll2IIigDhw really interesting listbuilding gimmick here @stray breach @fast glade @modern snow @silver wren : damage states

every fighter in grave trigger is a human stuck in an evangelion style horror biomecha godsuit, and the suit has a will of its own

when you build out your team you also build a deck of autonomous reactions that the suits grow and adapt as they take damage

so like, you have these wound points on your hp bar but instead of them making you worse they... sorta make you better. sorta. some loss of control entails

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6NhlUzHDlM

[tepid steeple]

that sounds really fun

[twin mountain]

it's extremely shounen

love the design here

[modern snow]

it definitely has Phantom Dust vibes for sure

Looking forward to the 2p box. I tried the print-and-play and found it very fiddly.

The design is neat!

[sand sonnet]

It's on my watch list.

Too busy with Shatterpoint/40k/mobile arms to get too hype on it right now.

It has interesting ideas, and the models look better in person than I thought they did looking at pictures online.

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aswW99ZAHUI

[sudden halo]

I gotta share this conversion that just went up on ebay

https://www.ebay.com/itm/236044327777?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=pqfW7S8WT6e&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=-Qouasz1Qt6&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[tepid steeple]

Omg

Two symbiomates in a trenchcoat

[autumn sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr-ZfR89r5I&ab_channel=PlayWyrd

[compact leaf]

Oh

my LGS is stocking Obsidian Protocol...

It is very tempting ._.

[compact leaf]

Oh right
For Obsidian Protocol, do we know if any of the Kickstarter exclusive stuff is entirely unique mechanically?

[compact leaf]

it looks like some of the stuff has similar names but I'd like to be sure..

Not that it'll bother me a ton, I'll just miss being able to take the absolute massive guns RDL gets

[next pilot]

so new boxes for the new edition or new versions of the masters

that new ortega is great though

[autumn sun]

I assume new models entirely, as that's been a safe bet 2 editions running.

[next pilot]

yeah, probably new versions of the starter voxes

the current ones raen't that old though

who's the character with the medi gun looking thing? that's the only one I don't recognize

and also the owl

[twin mountain]

https://tombloom.itch.io/magnagothica-maleghast do get this if you guys haven't

[potent wyvern]

Its free. Its fun. Do combo

[sand sonnet]

Also pick up the expansion faction while it's free.

[potent wyvern]

You can be a fucking evil wizard

[sand cloak]

You can be zealous paladins who have been forced to become heretics in order to fight the evil wizards!!!

[sleek trail]

I gotta read maleghast and do a gridless conversion for it

Just as an experiment to see what works and what doesnt as a 1-1

[potent wyvern]

The cover system would probably be the hardest thing to convert into a grid less format

[compact leaf]

Obsidian Protocol acquired! (After our Infinity tournament tomorrow)
LGS also has a demo night coming up soon :D

[compact leaf]

And we'll get to see how UN plays..

[twin mountain]

@gusty basalt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbXiG3z33mI

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilv-TAgLtmo oh my god

[sleek trail]

Mike is deeply clever

[gusty basalt]

oooh both of these look cool

does anyone on the server play this?

[sleek trail]

if i had a group id play hobgoblin

alas

havent tried space gits yet

[compact leaf]

Infinity tourney done, 5th place with 1 tie, one loss, one win

Games were fun; game two was rough though

Game one was.. a whole lot of nothing happening on either side
Game three had me killing almost all of my opponent's (admittedly very small) list

Very varied experiences

[potent wyvern]

Last chance today for free ghastin

[sudden halo]

Super even spread of results! What missions did y'all play? I've got a tournament in two weeks and I think I'm just going to build Tohaa purely based on vibes and see what happens rather than prep hard since it's a pretty casual event.

[compact leaf]

It was evacuation, biotechvore, the armory (in that order)

The biotechvore game in particular I matched against a player that knew rules I had learned wrong, and I didn't actually find my list all that comfortable to play in comparison to the other two

[sudden halo]

I haven't seen a tournament use evac. I hear the new version is better but it's a pretty unpopular mission.

[compact leaf]

I fear I stressed out my opponent a lot by taking longer turns-
But we talked it out afterwards and I think we're on good terms?

[sudden halo]

Btv is a really odd mission. It demands a lot of order efficiency and makes a lot of action happen up close. One of the few missions that still favors big Fireteams.

[compact leaf]

It's... Both super objective focused but also almost plays like a "dive your opponent's DZ" gamemode

I.. am not sure how I feel about BTV

I do think it probably demands a specific list though

At least for most factions

[compact leaf]

I wish you luck!
Tohaa are in a weird spot right now though, but again- good luck piloting them through your event!

[sudden halo]

yeah, they're not in the best spot but i want CB stats to show people still play them and i got my winnin' fix at adepticon so this is definitely going to be a goof off and help newer players get their first taste of organized play type event

[modern snow]

I'm testing Torchlight for the same tournament that @sudden halo is going to and I have no idea what I'm doing lol

TLB is super weird rn

[sudden halo]

Went from impossible to lose with to very middle of the pack with the edition change.

[modern snow]

yeah

Moonrakers went from auto-take to reluctant 2-of

Samus Jamie got the glow-up of the century though

[sudden halo]

The prime also went from goated to kind of a meh s5 power infantry.

[modern snow]

thank god

it was this weird N5 profile in N4 with sauced-up link bonuses and no way to counteract bs attack -3

[compact leaf]

It'd be a lot better if you could link it

It's probably a fine take sometimes though?

Likely relegated to being a flavor pick

[compact leaf]

I do think they're actually pretty strong, they have some particularly strong midfield presence and specialists, very serviceable HI too

The ability to put a repeater in the midfield turn 1 and defend it cannot be understated

[modern snow]

I had such a fun Vanilla O-12 N4 list with stormbots, a Rem Racer + agnes, and Fuzzbots, with Moonrakers and Roadbots to taste

[modern snow]

Yeah I just don't really trust the Kappa and Waverider to project a super solid hacking presence or make the most of that repeater. anecdotal experience, so YMMV of course

on the flipside, a stormbot having a repeater makes it so much more survivable against hacking attacks 🤔

[modern snow]

I like it sliding into irrelevance. in N4 it was so good that it overshadowed the more interesting picks in the faction.

[compact leaf]

Yeah totally fair

I'm lucky to have not bumped into it during that time

What will seemingly always be relevant though is the wrecker duo

Lotsa new TAGs just have continuous damage these days I guess

[modern snow]

god it's so expensive tho

I like the Nimrod + Kludger + Hippolyta haris

the Amazon Delivery System

[compact leaf]

Ooh yeah mobility fireteams are super solid

[modern snow]

Hippolyta throws smoke to cover for the Nimrod's smoke shoot, then when the time comes you let Wonder Woman go apeshit on the enemy's backline

I love it

She's a daturazi on steroids

[compact leaf]

Otherwise known as a standard Myrmidon character

Though she's fairly above average in that regard

[trail fulcrum]

Me an idiot

[sand sonnet]

Gravediggers got you back in?

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agonIuEPfDQ

[potent wyvern]

What minis is that for?

[trail fulcrum]

Warmahcine

[trail fulcrum]

I will be playing blood on the risers

[autumn sun]

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2025/4/14/malifaux-4e-announcement

[autumn sun]

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2025/4/14/m4e-the-nitty-gritty

[compact leaf]

Our local scene is getting some stuff together!

[tepid steeple]

Oh i love the little drone guy

[modern snow]

so cute!

[compact leaf]

Magnetized the turret, so can also have radar or a missile on top :)

[autumn sun]

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2025/4/15/m4e-a-focus-on-terrain

[compact leaf]

Got our Obsidian Protocol!
These boxes are packed-

[trail fulcrum]

Quad demolisher lances

Hmmm

[trail fulcrum]

Start crying 😦

[compact leaf]

Admiral what do you mean by this

[trail fulcrum]

My fingers hurt

After building the core box

Owwwwww

There's so much to build

And they're all so tiny

I have the entire plastic rdl collection built

[compact leaf]

Oh, yeah-
I think I'm gonna take my time with it tbh :b

[twin mountain]

👀

is obsidian protocol, like, rules complete and stuff?

[compact leaf]

Pretty much!
They're mostly just prettying up the rulebook and ironing out edge cases

[twin mountain]

oooh excellenttt

the game looks so good

[compact leaf]

Speaking of...

https://youtu.be/EZNyychVLb0?si=G1xZzM0cP3m8ztfR

Bam

[twin mountain]

is it up to date on tts?

[compact leaf]

As far as I know, yeah!
None of the cards there have had significant rules changes (or any at all, afaik)

So it's all up to date

[twin mountain]

i shall check it out again 👀

[compact leaf]

Folks are using this little doc to build lists btw
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1NC9my_JzFtBLytn1nWGYfqqqQhLVvJbRaIzOkbejC2I/htmlview

Hope you have fun!
I still gotta put together my end of things :b

[compact leaf]

That being models..

Oh hey, my LGS was in the most recent update video :0

[autumn sun]

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2025/4/15/m4e-of-cards-and-stones

[autumn sun]

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2025/4/16/m4e-other-changes-of-note

[echo marten]

Bury

The Bury mechanic has been removed. While flavorful, it created confusion and often led to unfun experiences. Bury-focused crews either filled the board with their own models or sidelined enemy units in ways that slowed the game and frustrated opponents.

The removal of Bury clears the way for more engaging alternatives. The models that used to rely on this mechanic still exist, just with updated abilities that focus on new interactions and playstyles.

...not a fan of that

Bury was one of my favourite mechanics

It won't feel like Death Marshalls without Shoving People In The Box

[autumn sun]

Yeah. Kinda like how it won't feel like McMourning without stacking a dozen poison counters on a model.

But I assume it'll be replaced with something useful and flavorful. Death Marshalls are iconic, after all.

[echo marten]

I hope so but...I dunno. I really liked the Control side of Death Marshals and worry they might just end up getting 'more offence' without it.

[autumn sun]

That's remained a fairly foundational aspect of their playstyle since 1e so I expect it'll stick around, just without Bury.

Lots of other crews are going to lose it too. But we'll find out in a couple of months.

[sand sonnet]

I lost my favorite play experience when they changed to second edition. RIP summoning a million scrap spiders.

[autumn sun]

Look I liked doing that too but it was a truly degenerative play experience lmao

Same with Hamelin doing that. Especially against Gremlins who couldn't do anything against it.

[compact leaf]

That's like
The equivalent of running 100s of Savana masters in classic Battletech

[autumn sun]

M1E just kinda let you do shit like that.

No real upper limit to minions and you could summon stuff quite easily so you could flood the board with spiders or rats or whatever.

http://puu.sh/KrWyB/c852105fc1.png

Hamelin was notorious for it because he could just do an Infinite Rodent Machine. Model dies? Rat. Doesn't matter if friend or foe, it could be another rat and pop, there's another one.

[echo marten]

Honestly, even 3e Hamelin is a bit that way, just a lot less so. They made more 'payoff for having rats' creatures to need less 'unlimited rat works'.

[autumn sun]

http://puu.sh/KrWz3/9154de2ffe.jpg

Thing is, Rat Catcher? Same ability. DOUBLE the rat power.

[autumn sun]

At least in 3e there's an upper limit to how many of a model of any one type can be on the board.

Hamelin taps out at 12 rats. Not so much in 1e!

[echo marten]

Yeah, there's also a lot more shit like Rat Bomb that makes rats do more than just 'slow the game down'

[autumn sun]

Yeah. He's way less "make this a miserable experience" like he used to.

[autumn sun]

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2025/4/16/malifaux-fourth-one-for-the-rules-3

Given how bury-heavy Tara was I think this is a good look into how crews that relied on it will play out.

[twin mountain]

https://www.ign.com/articles/cyberpunk-red-combat-zone-tabletop-game-review huhhh

Has anyone played this

[modern snow]

I played like... one demo game of it

I remember being whelmed

it fits in that niche of small-scale-cyberpunk-y combat but it ironically doesn't scratch the same itch as something like... say... Zone Raiders.

Or even Infinity: Mercs

[sudden halo]

I haven't played it but I heard its a lot like new Kill Team if it was built for accessibility and casual fun instead of tournaments

[modern snow]

yeah that's actually pretty accurate!

more accessible than Necromunda but it's in that vibe

[sand sonnet]

A local group here played a lot of it for a bit, seems like it was very casual.

Kinda reminds me of the Modiphius Fallout minis game in that there's lots of card driven elements.

[twin mountain]

that makes sense, I was curious if you'd touched it - the activation cycles and gonks seem interesting and remind me of mobile arms

[tepid steeple]

https://anydice.com/program/3c9ab

This is messy

But I made this thing to check expected values in Stargrave haha

Cause I was reading a power tierlist, and it came up a couple times that the author had no idea why one would choose to improve Armour over Fight

And it kinda stuck in my head cause it didnt really feel conclusively right? And it wasnt!

Fight and Armour both improve your chance of taking zero damage by the same amount, but Armour reduces average damage by quite a bit more

Obv fight is probably better if you plan on going out of your way to fight people

Just cause then youre getting defense and offense

Overall the stats arent like, hugely impactful though

This also doesnt account for damage modifier which might affect things too? Idk

Also looks like ‘same amount’ mightve been a fluke of a specific set of variables haha but it does seem like armour consistently reduces average damage better

[next pilot]

it looks like some of the new master keywords will be past versions of the characters

sorry master titles

[autumn sun]

https://www.wyrd-games.net/news/2025/4/21/malifaux-fourth-beta-is-open

[next pilot]

Oh wow a huge amount less dual faction

Don’t like Cornelius jumping over to arcanists much though, should’ve been one of his two

Oh wait that’s all of them

[echo marten]

...Mei Feng losing Arcanists feels kinda less interesting than it was.

[next pilot]

Yeah I prefer her a arcanists over thunders thematically

[echo marten]

She mostly felt 'Ten Thunders because she's from China' more than any personal themes.

[next pilot]

I prefer the rail stuff as arcanists stuff

[echo marten]

She always had stronger Arcanist theming than Ten Thunders. She didn't have a whole heap to do with the spycraft or extortion of the ten thunders.

At least, imo.

Cornelius going Arcanist instead of Explorers just confuses me.

He jumped to a faction he didn't have any link to before

[next pilot]

He was guild explorers last time but I felt guild was his most appropriate theming

[echo marten]

Yeah. He was literally a Guild Sherriff.

Kastore going full Neverborn seems fine. He was very borderline rezzers.

[next pilot]

He had vampire theming could’ve gone either

McCabe fits perfectly into explorers

[echo marten]

Lucius going mono-guild seems fine. The RPG basicly spent the entire section on Mimics going 'Most mimics think mimics who join the Elite Division are Assholes'

[next pilot]

Lucius’s love of luxury seems to be making him go native as well

[echo marten]

...I get the feeling Cornelius went arcanist literally so the numbers worked.

[next pilot]

Same tbh

He’ll probably get gunsmiths as his units but they’re the only that fit thematically

[echo marten]

Like they lost Hoffman and Mei Feng and Marcus.

So I get the feeling someone got shuffled purely to Make There Be Any Remaining Arcanist Masters. XD

[next pilot]

Hoffman wasn’t going to last

But Marcus and mei are a surprise

[echo marten]

Marcus I predicted, Mei I'm sad about.

[next pilot]

That leaves everyone at 6-7 masters

[echo marten]

You know who I'm shocked is still Arcanists? December. They've been incredibly unreliable at the best of times and basicly nobody wants them about.

[next pilot]

They’re thematically the most distant as well

[echo marten]

I thought we'd be losing them when they killed the Performer/December crossover model

[next pilot]

Yan Lo could’ve gone either

[next pilot]

Is it no longer in game?

[echo marten]

Yeah, Ice Dancers got Squatted

[next pilot]

Huh, they were a neat model shame

[echo marten]

It's now just a Counts-As Silent One.

They were an awkward model in that they didn't really do anything that Performers wanted and tied too hard into December stuff.

But that is all within 'could be fixed'

[next pilot]

Yeah that’s just rules

I suspect that each starter box keyword will get a full master

[echo marten]

I really liked Ice Dancers thematically. They gave December something to do beyond 'Sit in the Mountains' and 'Lose fights to shirtless german men'

One of the NPCs in the Through The Breach game I run is an Ice Dancer.

@cyan badge Your PC interacts with Alba a fair bit 😛

[cyan badge]

Miss Alba is one of my character's best friends! She has the best meat dishes and my character is too trusting to ask questions.

Mind it's also not cannibalism for her since she's a doll, not a human.

Ish. It's complicated.

[next pilot]

Fun

I admittedly don’t have malifaux minis but ive covsidered it for a while

I’ve just got so much in my pile of shame and local stores don’t carry it

Seeker and Cadmus are cool themes, but I also really like lady justice and kastore

Interested in seeing if Grimm get stuff as well

[echo marten]

I am still very amused about the time when I had Sebastian Baker on-screen and ID basicly spent the entire time going 'oh god, oh god, oh god' while all the other players were '...what's going on?'

[next pilot]

Is that Seamus?

[echo marten]

Yep, it's his 'Cover' name.

He nearly got Phoebe to go for a walk with him before realizing she was a very human-like doll rather than a living being and walking off, his time wasted. XD

[trail fulcrum]

I'm cackling at my success from holding out on buying

Arcanist stuff

[cyan badge]

also reading back up, Cornelius does kind of have one link to the Arcanists

actually I may be wrong

ignore my statement and continue with your lives

[next pilot]

I think they made him arc so guild would loose a master and gave space for a new one

But he fit guild theming perfectly

[cyan badge]

okay maybe I wasn'tw rong--I thought cornelius was black, then went and checked his model but i couldn't be entirely sure?

but given that Toni Ironsides is responsible for having the guild push to end slavery in north america, there's potential there

[next pilot]

Probably the themes for the starter boxes ( vanguard, automata, grimm, fungus, rally, society, and the street gang side of tt)

[next pilot]

Maybe outcast will get asylum?

[hollow slate]

Well I got sucked into Trench Crusade

I like its phaseless action system and low model count

[tawny sandal]

Lmao I saw this last night

This is exactly how I have pictured many a wargame

…also I can’t remember if you can overwatch with a panzerfaust in bolt action

[hollow slate]

Played (most) of one game against a friend earlier this week, my Iron Sultanate list mostly rocked his Heretic Legion buuuut we did some rules wrong and he would have came out better and I worse

[tawny sandal]

Skirmish games are fun, especially once you start getting the extra fun that comes from the stories you get from campaign play

Since while you can definitely play single games, they really shine when Pvt Jimmy gets a reputation for killing guys in melee or Lt Jones keeps almost but not quite dying

I’d highly encourage you to try to play connected games, it adds a ton of fun

[hollow slate]

Yeah, my opponent named one of his troopers "Johnny" after he dropped my Brazen Bull on his first activation

"Okay, I'll roll at -1 for the injury, aaaaand that's triple sixes."

My goal is to get everyone in my group that's interested in one test game and then we start campaign play

[tawny sandal]

Oh, rookie move, gotta name all the lil dudes before you start

The names is part of the fun!

The named ones are luckier

I had a great time playing classic Necromunda… I don’t want to think how long ago because I’ll feel old, but half of the fun is the crazy stories that emerge out of play and the mechanics interacting

You start out with just a bunch of random models and tossed together names, but you end up creating something of a story or characters for all of them over the course of play

[fallen rune]

TC’s volatile damage is wild

[hollow crypt]

this feels like a decade-old youtube video for some reason

despite being made 3 days ago

[teal cloud]

Yeah TC's built for crazy swing moments where something like a Praetor either doom guys the team or gets domed by a bolt action twice and goes down

[hollow slate]

I really liked it, it was dangerous but sometimes models were still hard to kill

I had an alchemist fire at someone down and spent more blood markers than I ended up earning, lol

[compact leaf]

Played some Obsidian Protocol (possibly the first in Canada!) last week, dug up the pics to share with ya. LGS owner was playing UN, I was playing RDL

[twin mountain]

eeeeeeeeeeeeee

[compact leaf]

I ended up disarming (removing the arms) of both his mechs with my HMG shield guy, while my other mech sat in the middle with no legs being annoying and flailing and axe around XD

[tepid steeple]

That sounds amazing

[compact leaf]

It was great

UN actually plays more differently than I expected

Cause they can generally move for way cheaper than RDL, which have to spend their whole activation doing it

Rather than just half

My little drone got stabbed twice in turn 1 though ;-;

Oh he actually recorded it...

[tepid steeple]

Ohh I didnt know this had like

Subgrid

Coool,,..

[compact leaf]

Yeaaa there's a subgrid for your lil guys

Speaking of!
Infantry!

[tepid steeple]

Yoooo

Combined arms is peak

They look dope too

Missile team

[compact leaf]

There's also this one that I missed

Lore wise, these are also little robots too, prosthetic bodies for digitized consciousness the same way the big robots are :3

But anyways
Game is confirmed very cool, looking forward to playing more!
...and there is a quickly growing scene here so we expect it to last quite a while

[velvet badge]

Damn those minis slap

[hollow slate]

I should really track down the playlist rules, lol

[hollow slate]

Wait shit, have UN models started shipping?

Fuck, I need to change my address

[sudden sundial]

Had a downed heretic priest get riddled by machine gun fire, and when the last shoot hit and activated bloodbath, I was sure he'd be a lovely wind instrument.
Four 1s and a 2 had other things in mind.

[tepid steeple]

Infinity group is getting into fsd, gotten my stuff ready to prime now :)

(Full spectrum dominance)

[sudden halo]

Nice!

I printed some FSD infantry for an Epic 40k con-game/diorama a friend is putting on. They're nice little models.

[compact leaf]

Nono not yet, that's in June. Our LGS got early stuff

[hollow slate]

Ah, okay