Indie+Alternative Wargaming

[tepid steeple]

I was the thorakites

[compact leaf]

We're glad you're enjoying the game! Did you end up playing as Hassassins or Steel Phalanx?
Will say, we recommend going right to N4 after playing through the missions, cause turn order is different in Codeone now compared to the more up-to-date N4 rules

[tepid steeple]

no yeah

that's the plan!

just getting the basic mechanics for now

[compact leaf]

Yeye

Glad to hear you know why Codeone isn't supported anymore lol

[tepid steeple]

putting the terrain together was an experience

I thought it was just a skill issue but it was actually harddd

[compact leaf]

No yeah
There's a trick to it but even then it's annoying

But hey
It doesn't come apart after that lol

[tepid steeple]

my partner's last action was to head up some stairs and shoot down which was fun though. it was on the other side of the building to where he was sitting so it didn't occur to him and then I pointed it out and he was like 👀

[tepid steeple]

sunduqbut is more baby than I though it'd be haha

makes sense tho

[compact leaf]

Have you seen the rules on that guy?
....it's terrifying

[tepid steeple]

yeah :)

[compact leaf]

Absolutely insane little box of doom

We love Sunduqbut here

[tepid steeple]

its really funny how he has bs attack +1 dam like a tag and he's just there being sil 2

[compact leaf]

I will hit you with a damage 15 AP spitfire with surprise attack (and full burst in ARO) and you will not survive

Oh yeah and it's also got decoy which is really really funny

[tepid steeple]

wanna print out some little boxes to be sillhouette 2 no mimetism camo markers

is this... an empty box, a guy with a panzerfaust, or a robot with an ap spitfire?? lets find out!

[twin mountain]

https://fxtwitter.com/Rattapoom_K/status/1826613060376903685

[autumn sun]

https://vxtwitter.com/manticgames/status/1834191142998409239

[autumn sun]

https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/wargames-atlantic-partners-with-green-ronin-publishing-for-the-expanse

[umbral prawn]

Oh wow

[twin mountain]

https://youtu.be/z6IrYQCyOCc omg this is so cute

[tepid steeple]

infinity question; so identity of lieutenant and coc models is private; so if I have a coc guy and I just start throwing my lieutenant up the board, i spend the lt order but I dont have to explain why im allowed (even if often it will be obvious) if my lt dies I also dont actually declare anything other than not declaring LoL next turn?

[compact leaf]

Afaik you do not have to explain how you would be spending an LT order unless your trooper has a rule like NCO. You do however have to be specific on the fact that you're spending the LT order on the trooper you're using it for so your opponent is aware of what's happening

And whether or not your lieutenant is dead or being replaced is completely private

[tepid steeple]

oh right cause nco is public

[compact leaf]

The only way your opponent knows they've killed your LT is if you declare loss of lieutenant

[tepid steeple]

okay cool!

[compact leaf]

[tepid steeple]

ty!

[supple shale]

having the time of my fuckin life over here rn

[sudden halo]

Oh sick

[supple shale]

I love the old old 1:87 Heavy Gear stuff and I have been hunting this box for Years

[supple shale]

Got outbid for one on ebay three years ago this month

[sudden halo]

Shame they didn't stick to that scale or 1:100. 1:144 is cool but I really prefer the more personal feeling the bigger scale has.

[tepid steeple]

congrats!!

[supple shale]

Switching to 1:144 when they starting casting in-house was a no-brainer tbh because it makes gears the same size as 28mm humans, but still

I love how the 1:87 gears look next to my 15mm modern infantry

[supple shale]

thanks, this kit rules and I don’t think I’ve ever been happier with a box of toy soldiers in my life

[tepid steeple]

i didnt know the context when you first posted but that is really cool

[supple shale]

It’s been OOP since like 1997, we’ve come a long way to get here

[compact leaf]

https://youtu.be/VBbaX25wd_c?si=k96_pwQrVkdfToYc

TL;DR
CA now has Achilles (and a few other Aleph characters) and their army list for vanilla has been extremely streamlined

[velvet badge]

This is gonna be interesting

[sleek trail]

EI x Aleph OTP

[compact leaf]

Just so you know, that would be Yuri

But I'm sure you already know

[sleek trail]

As is just

[trail fulcrum]

Toxic Yuri

the best kind

😛

[orchid tulip]

Kinda weird that CA got a N5 video before the poster factions of PanO and JSA

[velvet badge]

Gotta rip the bandaid off early so the aleph players will be done malding by the time the edition drops

[sleek trail]

Honestly seems that way

[compact leaf]

As a beloathed Aleph player, I didn't use Achilles anyways

Pandora however

:(

Sucks to lose her

[sleek trail]

i still think the funniest option is to just have them still be in aleph

unless they announced they are not

[compact leaf]

Aleph simply makes another fresh copy of all of them

Now we have evil Achilles and "good" Achilles

They will smooch methinks

[velvet badge]

Isn't the whole reason Odysseus hasn't been copied due to sepsitorization having a risk of corrupting the live backup from the cube?

[trail fulcrum]

Clealry this is just Aleph and EI having a toxic yuri moment :p

[compact leaf]

getting sepsitored basically guarantees it iirc
but nobody actually knows what happened to Odysseus, he's just somewhere behind CA lines and that's all we know. might be dead, might still be loyal and sneaking his way back to allied space

honestly couldn't say

[sleek trail]

Just roll up a backup

If u are keeping the only copy of a guy in a cube on site what are you doing

[supple shale]

That’s something that always struck me as not quite adding up;

“Oh the Homeridae are especially vulnerable to sepsitorization because they always back their cube up to the cloud in real time”

Okay, have they considered not doing that?

[sleek trail]

Or just like. Have spares!

You can have real time AND asynchronous backups

[supple shale]

Aleph: the setting’s tutelary deity of infosec

also Aleph: my super soldiers are always online when fighting the spooky computer magic aliens

[orchid tulip]

Why noleph is the better network

[supple shale]

thinking about switching off your brain’s bluetooth and remembering that the GitS:SAC dub refers to this as “autistic mode”: ugh

[orchid tulip]

What does the sub call it?

[supple shale]

Not sure tbh; I really like GitS dubs, I’m Richard Epcar’s strongest soldier

Actually that term might appear in the translations of the mango, so it’s possible it originates with Shirow himself tbh

It does sound like something he would come up with circa 1991

[orchid tulip]

Nomads <3

[compact leaf]

Kirza Borac my beloved

[sleek trail]

Bestmads

[tepid steeple]

how do these lists look for full n4 intro game??? we got frustrated doing the codeone intro missions lol. I only have blackwind+beyond blackwind(and yara) and don't wanna throw in too many new abilities as well as learning the full rules

specifically I've avoided quadtronic stuff and hidden deployment for now

and won't be using fireteams/command module

(the two lieutenants are just to show what the options will be, to hidden pick pregame)

[compact leaf]

Have you played a mission with just base infantry already?
Also, are you aware of the presence of irregular orders in the Haqqislam list (Daylami are irregular troopers)

Actually
Better question: what rules do you know already?

[tepid steeple]

uhhh

I'm pretty good as far as knowing rules, I think

we haven't played n4 with just schmucks but I think the thing that was frustating abt the intro missions was that they were really slow paced

so i don't want to go to slow and my partner gets boreddd

um

off the top of my head the main new things just from n4 rules are gonna be guts, lol, prone/unconscious, playing an actual mission with 3 rounds

but then also each indivdual gets way more complex so aaa

[compact leaf]

Do you know about mimetism and camouflage yet?
Those are the two big ones

[tepid steeple]

yes!

[compact leaf]

And parachutist as well?

[tepid steeple]

we didn't get to parachutist

[compact leaf]

Ah, I'll keep that in mind

So besides hacking, are there any other rules you'd like to avoid?
Also, are you just going to be playing irregular troopers as regular ones?

[tepid steeple]

ummm

I think irregular is gonna be okay

[compact leaf]

Do you know how irregular troopers work?

[tepid steeple]

I do yeah

[compact leaf]

Good, good
Can I assume you've bought the beyond box and hero boxes for both sides?

[tepid steeple]

it'll be new for my partner though. I have a lot of reading/watching exp but little playing

[compact leaf]

I see I see

[tepid steeple]

I have yara but not her aleph counterpart

[compact leaf]

Ahh, that'll be alright

[tepid steeple]

oh yeah and my partner will probably be playing the hassassins

but if it shakes out easier we can swap

but i think they've been looking forward to being able to use bokhtar fully and have more than one camo so

[compact leaf]

Hassassins are about twice as complex as SP, SP just has big strong heroes that run towards you and smack you

[tepid steeple]

mm

it is true

[compact leaf]

Hassassins are all about irregular troopers, good doctors and being sneaky

So uh
I'll make 2 lists for Hassassins (one for you, one for the partner), 1 list for SP
150 points is what you're shooting for, right?

[tepid steeple]

yeah about that

can go lower if that would be wise

but limited by terrain n such

that sounds good ^^

[compact leaf]

150 is the smallest you can go for standard game sizes and the mat you get is the exact size of a 159 point game iirc. Have you guys picked out a mission to play? Or is this just gonna be a kill eachother thing?

[tepid steeple]

uh

I think we'd prefer an objective mission

but haven't picked a specific one

[compact leaf]

If you want to do a mission, I'd say supplies. It's easy to teach and you should have tokens for it

Or so says the long line of infinity teachers I know

[tepid steeple]

yeah we got those tokens

[compact leaf]

SP list
You have 2 fireteams for when you want to try those out as well

And an ekdromoi to drop where it's safe and run off with a supply box

[tepid steeple]

lieutenant?

[compact leaf]

Oh yeah I just realized that while making the other lists lmao

Gimme one minute

[tepid steeple]

haha np

[compact leaf]

Ookkay
Still have 2 fireteams in there, hoplite is alone

And one of the Thorakitai has a REALLY big gun (use the model you have of the one with the rocket launcher)

[tepid steeple]

sounds good!

[compact leaf]

Okay
List one for Hassassins
All about VERY close-in offense, you've got the signature pop-up panzerfaust Daylami, and a Muyib with an X-visor to fire rockets at a longer range.

The Shujae and Bohktar (which are your objective grabbers) should generally be covered by the Lasiq

And the Barid should probably just hide somewhere tbh

[tepid steeple]

mhm mhm

[compact leaf]

List 2 is more defensive and shooty. The Shujae, Lasiq and Muyib can run around to grab objectives, the Sunduqbut can probably deploy close enough to one to cover it.
Sunduqbut is interchangeable with the Bohtar of the same price too. And the Daylami can slowly inch it's way up the board.

You can also switch out the Lasiq with Yara if you wanted. But I think the Viral rifle is a bit better here

Anyhow, now you've got like.. 5 lists to choose from lol

[tepid steeple]

:>

thank you!

[compact leaf]

no problem

Side note:
I actually don't know how to build Hassassins, but I do know that getting Fidays is important since they're really good at taking out one specific piece due to their special cloaking ability

[tepid steeple]

mm

there's one in the haqq action pack which is probably my next pickup for them so :)

[compact leaf]

I'd also grab remotes, and the new expansion pack is pretty neat.
But generally I'd stick to grabbing what you think is cool

And if you're swinging towards Vanilla Haqq, then the action pack is a great step

For SP I'd definitely grab Phoenix and the beta booster though. Phoenix, Machaon and Acmon are extremely important pieces. After that it's uh.. remotes again, and then probably Myrmidons (you can ignore the Alpha booster)
That's what I did, at least

[tepid steeple]

so many remote packs hehe

[compact leaf]

Remotes are pretty important for any faction yeah
Just the options for total reaction (full burst in ARO) HMGs and something to fill that 7 point gap in your list

Always useful

[tepid steeple]

mm

[compact leaf]

The forward observer ones used to get an extra order too

It was nuts

They were like 14 points!! For 2 orders!!

(admittedly your whole list got that extra order for including one, but still)

[tepid steeple]

plenty of stuff to figure out time to paint for now though :)

[compact leaf]

Yeye

[compact leaf]

Oh
https://downloads.corvusbelli.com/infinity/rules/qsr-n5-en.pdf
These are the lists CB wants Sandtrap folks to use to try out the forces against eachother

N5 quick start rules are out

And some profiles for the new stuff in Sandtrap

Fennec fusiliers seem to be regular fusiliers with desert terrain, and there's a new rule called "combat instinct"

@tepid steeple I'm not sure if it's worth it or not, but the N5 rules might be worth learning instead of the N4 ones at this point.
Though I don't think the difference is supposed to be too crazy

Granted
None of the special rules are there just yet. It's just base-game stuff as far as I can tell

[tepid steeple]

oh!!

yeah that might be true, Ik my partner isn't a fan of saving rolls being different and n5 fixes the problem

is 2024 the year of 'renaming wounds something else'???

aos did it too

idk how I'm gonna not call Possibility of Survival 'piss' ngl

[compact leaf]

Yeah!
That actually looks to be the only difference in the quick start book, so you can probably use that.
You would just have to use the weapon profiles in the book as a reference for what the new damage numbers will look like (everything is supposed to have the same probability)

[compact leaf]

MULTI-snipers have suppressive fire now too

Huh..

[compact leaf]

Or that's a typo?
That'd be a really weird typo though

[stable pelican]

can someone teach me infinity? (on tts or a video about tags and stuff and hacking and aro...etc)

list + tokens

[stable pelican]

got some help and made a new list

[compact leaf]

I can! (on TTS)
Have you played any smaller games yet?

[stable pelican]

not really

not a single game

i saw like code one explanation videos

[compact leaf]

Those are functionally useless with Codeone being defunct, unfortunately.
Hmmm.

@midnight vine you still wanted to learn infinity too, right?

[stable pelican]

oh

[midnight vine]

At some point, I’m probably not gonna have a chance this week at least

[compact leaf]

I'm not sure if your times line up, but I might be able to get a game for both of you against eachother set up, if that'd be okay.

But yeah, take your time

[compact leaf]

I'll teach you N4 rules since those are the easiest to access right now. Diving in with full 300 point lists probably isn't a good idea though, I'm gonna cut it down to 200

But anyways
If possible, I can make a learning game between you and Reggie a thing if times line up and everyone's okay with it

[stable pelican]

okay

i can today

[compact leaf]

Mm
Probably not today for me.
I'll move this to DMs so we can organize this privately

[tepid steeple]

https://www.reddit.com/r/InfinityTheGame/comments/1fva51l/roster_ariadna_vanilla_yujing_vanilla_and_nomads/

some faction vanillas for n5?

observance BANNED

but that's like, fair enough lol

wait, no meteor zond?

are they technically corregidor??

[orchid tulip]

Non of the "nuns" are vanilla anymore

[tepid steeple]

😏

[orchid tulip]

So I am almost forced to run Baku now

[tepid steeple]

I'm a bit sad because no cheerkillers and I don't really love the rest of tunguska

[orchid tulip]

Furries are vanilla do, apparently

[tepid steeple]

It seems like

the 'main faction' (like all the other bits of corregidors main squad setup) is sectorials, as are very fire team focused things (cheerkillers, riot grrls, etc)

[orchid tulip]

Default short of the new PanO sectorial being KFC is just fun

[tepid steeple]

oh wait, sin eaters get to stay apparently

between marspiders, fiddler, puppetactica, uberfallkommando, that's a lot of melee burst

[tepid steeple]

ooh!

panoceania generic seems to have a lot of the action pack stuff

karhu and nokken

helot militia to varuna? no wait there they are

no brother konstantinos but I figure he can be any number of things

[supple shale]

More new unit icons in there than I expected tbh

Interesting

[orchid tulip]

I hope Zoe and Fiddler still are in Bakunin

[tepid steeple]

fiddler is bakunin native so should be

dont know the zoe lore tho

[supple shale]

I think Zoe is BJC as well

[orchid tulip]

Bakunin Junior College?

[supple shale]

Bakunin Jurisdictional Command

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muk_Q1JwImQ hohoho

[orchid tulip]

Prefer the idea of Fiddler and Zoe being alumni of the Bakunin Junior College

[tepid steeple]

awww, just a release date announcement

[compact leaf]

Oh yea here's more

[hollow crypt]

it's real? I almost can't believe it

feels like we've been seeing just art of this for years

[sleek trail]

Meteor wwre in all of the sectorials

Losing emmsucks

I love em in tunguska

The fuck is the nomad generic tag

[orchid tulip]

Gator Squadron

What uses Phys besides dodging and healing, both medikit and gizmo? Wondering as tags often have high phys but then have like Dodge(phys=11)

[tepid steeple]

melee damage

[orchid tulip]

Right, I rarely get to those as most things get one shot by snipers or rocket launchers

[tepid steeple]

mhm

combat jump, but the caskuda has ph=14 on that too

para ammo

basically a lot of minor things that the tag needs an accurate phys for, even though the main uses need to be nerfed

idk if any tag gets a throwing weapon?

oh not a tag but Ratniks have trench hammers, PH 14, but dodge=9 like a tag

[compact leaf]

Ratniks and Blackjacks share the dodge thing despite being HI.
Cause they're basically power-loaders strapped with armor iirc

[tepid steeple]

baby tags

2 w tags

[compact leaf]

T2 sniper blackjack is neato

Y'know though, I haven't seen any Aleph roster stuff yet

I wonder what's changed there

I wonder too if they're going to rebuild all the sectorials from the ground up, since they're cutting some out (PanO should be losing 1-3 of theirs)

[orchid tulip]

They did say that they'd move to making new sectorials or give sectorials new toys instead of updating old sculpts iirc

[compact leaf]

Iirc they're also aiming for no more than 3 sectorials for each faction

Acon might be leaving PanO, based off the vanilla list

I still see stuff there from KFC, Varuna, Winterfor, MO and Neoterra

[tepid steeple]

no haqq either :(

[sudden halo]

No lore for Haqq, Aleph, and Tohaa in the new book.

My guess is the next book is a lore book that ties in with the TV show.

Tohaa would be the oddball there, might not get anything but I can hope.

[velvet badge]

With spiral corps being rolled into tohaa I'm holding out hope for a tohaa reboot later into the edition

Update everything that wasn't part of the spiral release to follow the urban warfare terrorist style since that's effectively the role tohaa has been reduced to on the story now that they're being pushed out of the sphere

[compact leaf]

Ariadna appears to have a bit of all the current sectorials in their roster as well

So I've no clue if they're getting anything changed

[supple shale]

New vAri conspicuously has almost no USARF

Which has definitely raised some questions

[compact leaf]

Yeah, that's definitely the least represented. I only see a couple(?) units there.

[supple shale]

just Foxtrots and Van Zant

[compact leaf]

Lots of Kosmoflot and Highlanders though

[supple shale]

Arguably the same thing;

Folks were calling it “Kosmoscot” at release

[compact leaf]

Maybe what remains of the Scots and USA are getting folded into Kosmo?
Couldn't say, but it's possible

[supple shale]

Too early to call, I think, but my guess would be Kosmo, TAK, and one new sectorial going forward

USAri are the oldest of the current slate, so they get cut

[compact leaf]

Probably a good prediction. All I know is CB eventually wants to cut sectorials down to 3 per faction

[supple shale]

That’s more or less how it was when sectorials were introduced

[supple shale]

Holy shit chat this is real

[trail fulcrum]

How's the OSS

[compact leaf]

Firebats :)

[compact leaf]

Not in the lore book afaik

[next pilot]

Infinity?

[orchid tulip]

Ye

[compact leaf]

We's getting vehicles now

I'd suspect they'll have something akin to a "limited cover" or "no cover" rule, since we've seen them around already on Hi

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLZuwEakLSw

alternating activations

this has the ashley seal of approval

BOOM

[potent wyvern]

The models look really nice

[sleek trail]

holy shit

[sleek trail]

i have soured on alternating activations for army scale stuff

i think group activations with groups alternating

thats the ticket

i think pure alternating can just make play way too reactive

especially at that scale

not a commentary on marcher

havent seen the vid yet

[compact leaf]

I've got a weird opinion, but I think my favoured turn order looks something like: light units one side, light units other side, then heavy units one side, heavy units other side

[tepid steeple]

I think aa can be great when you've played igyg to death but if you've played aa to death you find out it's just as easy to be flawed

personally I feel like AA has a chaotic vibe

which is good for certain skirmish games but I kinda hate for army games

[compact leaf]

Infinity's order system is a close second for us, but like.. only for Infinity

The whole stronger units = less actions to use them (because their actions are that much more potent) is a very compelling tradeoff, but hard to balance

Because sometimes the cheap units are a bit too good (see: Infinity N3 lists with a bajillion cheap troopers and literally nothing else)

[tepid steeple]

I really like riposte's order/interrupt system but it's basically simultaneous activation with like...direction being what's alternating

the active player decides where stuff is happening but you have pretty much equal opportunity to make stuff happen there

or well the reactive player has more info

[sleek trail]

Ive been futzing around with a group activation system thing for a game ive been toying with for ages

The nice thing about an igougo (esp one like infinity with high interactivity) is that its about executing a plan

Vs reacting to what your opponent just did

Which alternating typically has, its very hard to just do the thing in alternaging

Group can solve some of that

Where unit a solves problem a so unit b can solve problem b

This is less so i think with something like warhammers phase-based resolution, though

Because all actions of the same type happen more or less simultaneously

[orchid tulip]

RIP Order Monkeys

[supple shale]

Thinking “fondly” of my Wallace + 44 chain rifle Volunteers list (0 SWC, 298 pts)

[orchid tulip]

My local Haqq player has for a while been doing cheap bike spam for a bit but it has started getting stale

But we have mostly done sub200pts and now decided to go 300pts only and try for more objective play style games

[sleek trail]

You are why the limit was made

[supple shale]

lmao

[haughty bobcat]

I've been thinking of scultping and casting my own models. What is a fun model agnostic game?

[autumn sun]

One Page Rules and any Snarling Badger game (Reign in Hell, Deth Wizards, Majestic 13, Space Station Zero)

[sleek trail]

Hobgoblin looks rad

If you wanna do rank and flank

[sudden halo]

Most historicals.

Really anything is model agnostic if you're cool enough, or rather if the local group is cool enough

Frostgrave/Stargrave. Most of the Osprey publishing stuff.

[supple shale]

Nordic Weasel publishes all my favorites

obligatory No End in Sight plug

[sudden halo]

What genre of models are you looking to sculpt? Might help us dial in some recommendations. It's a different set of answers if you like sculpting spaceships vs diesel punk mechs vs fantasy characters.

[haughty bobcat]

General fantasy stuff: trolls, goblins, knights, dwarves

[sudden halo]

gotcha, i'm not as into fantasy so im not as familiar with games in that space, but Frostgrave is a lot of fun

as are its sister games, like Rangers of Shadow Deep

you could also look at turnip28 if you want a lot grimier fantasy. certainly not a traditional fantasy though

[haughty bobcat]

Mmm I was meaning to sculpt some rootlings and that beast herd cult seems fun thanks for reminding me

[stable pelican]

well new infinity stuff dropped

[compact leaf]

Infinity N5 week friends!

Plenty of stuff is gonna get revealed I bet

I'm hearing Torchlight brigade was originally made for N5 but the current version is the one rebalanced for N4

So we might see some of the changes they'll get

And vehicles, maybe?

I'll bet the beyond Sandtrap box will pop up sometime soon

I'd love to finally get some specifics on Speedball and whatever Combat Instinct is

[compact leaf]

Ooo

This is what we're starting with for N5

And wowie

Uh

Bye bye half of PanO and Ariadna

[tepid steeple]

oooh yay qapu khalqi

[compact leaf]

Looks like any factions that didn't have more than 3 sectorials didn't lose any

But those remaining sectorials probably still lost some of their roster

Kablam

[tepid steeple]

oh interesting

[tender wadi]

What are the fireteam levels?

[orchid tulip]

It used to be number of models in the fireteam in N4 iirc, unsure if they changed it

[tepid steeple]

that symbol is core, so this doesn't necessarily say anything about how haris will work

the levels are how many different units you have in the fire team

so level 5 is pure

[compact leaf]

it's levels of 'purity' (same unit)

so if you have a fireteam made entirely out of one unit type, you get all the bonuses, 4 of the same and 1 different gives you level 4, etc etc..

[compact leaf]

haris can only go up to level 3, duos only up to level 2

it's all about the number of troops of the same type, fireteam type doesn't change how the scaling works from what I understand

fireteam buff used to be two separate tracks. one for number of units, one for purity

now they streamlined them and removed most of the shooting buffs (BS+1 is the only one that carried over unscathed)

fireteams are gonna be more variable now, since most of these buffs are things folks can probably be okay not having 100% of the time

probably still want at least level 2 though

[tender wadi]

Does it still work like it did where fireteams can only shoot from one character?

[compact leaf]

afaik yes

[tender wadi]

And you have to like, swap the 'primary' unit every turn?

Ahh

[compact leaf]

you swap the fireteam leader with every activation, yeah

coordinated orders, if they stay, are still gonna be the best way to move multiple troops at the same time (since they can all move and shoot with that)

[tender wadi]

Remind me how you got those?

[compact leaf]

Coordinated orders are a command token ability, and you get 4 command tokens to spend per game

https://youtu.be/8ogEXQdQ29U?si=StxJrYD__q0whKvz

[tender wadi]

Ah

[compact leaf]

Also
New stuff

[tepid steeple]

oh so pure duos get +1 burst(ish) now? that's cool!

[compact leaf]

Indeedy

No more death stars either

[tepid steeple]

I wonder how much rtf is gonna keep with the ghulam team

and bakunin with the reverend teams

[compact leaf]

Well OSS is probably still gonna use their Dakini core, they can still buff those remotes up after all

One of the few factions still capable of stuff like that

(the other is combined army)

[compact leaf]

Dropping this here
https://youtu.be/1jqHtNBfjps?si=jiz15SZ04ctD9fb3

[compact leaf]

https://youtu.be/WQj_QJwndgw?si=YwnIfeD8K8YxTkuF

It is time once again

Uhh

So Black AIR is fucked up

[sudden halo]

Yeah, seems crazy good, but the fennecs are nutty

[tepid steeple]

is combat instinct new tacaware

[sudden halo]

LRL or thunderbolt for 0 swc on a bs12 LI? Fastpanda on a 16 point hacker?

Combat instinct is ignore surprise attack.

[tepid steeple]

ohhh

[sudden halo]

Do we know what a disco baller is? It sounds like mirrorball pheroware but it's not quite the same.

[sleek trail]

Whats a fhunderbolt do

[sudden halo]

Like a light sniper rifle? A ranged gun of some type.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/514104273546510359/1296110351825502249/IMG_5285.jpg?ex=67111854&is=670fc6d4&hm=737f2b9ceb4083aa324657925c411d81a33b159571932f3b15cea3a8113d0e0a&

Burst 2, PS 6(old damage 14), normal ammo.

[sleek trail]

Huh

Weird bands

[compact leaf]

Hey... Wait..
Is KFC gonna be PanO's hacking sectorial???
They've got a lot of hacking stuff around

At least for PanO

[orchid tulip]

Chop up the chicken before frying?

[sleek trail]

we have nomads at home

[stable pelican]

so uh

yuh

(reinforcing my sandtrap stuff

[tepid steeple]

wrapped up warm

[compact leaf]

Playing Vanilla PanO?

Oh yeah
https://youtu.be/Jn2y4Q8HRcY?si=T7RtPBVddMXDRnB_

Uhhh something something OH GOD WHY IS THE IMPERIAL GUARD BARELY 40 POINTS AT MOST

[orchid tulip]

What is IM, IP and SK short for?

LI, MI, HI and WB I know

[compact leaf]

They're translation errors

...I think

[tepid steeple]

sk is skirmisher?

[orchid tulip]

Was gonna say, SK exist atm

Skirmisher makes sense

[compact leaf]

Given we saw some of these profiles before and uh
Imperial guard was HI, so IM and IP are the odd ones out

[tepid steeple]

ip could be something to do with

[compact leaf]

For context:

[tepid steeple]

impetuous

cause imperial guard have frenzy?

[compact leaf]

Other way around, but yeah

Frenzy makes a troop impetuous after it gets a kill

[tepid steeple]

but its weird cause they're still very much hi

[compact leaf]

Unless it's in a Fireteam

[tepid steeple]

oh no I mean IP meaning 'impetuous or frenzy'

[compact leaf]

No idea

[tepid steeple]

but it might just be typo/mistranslation

like MI -> IM

[compact leaf]

We just know that Imperial guard has also been listed as HI, Jizamurai as MI before

So we're led to believe it's a typo

Orrrrrrr

We are in fact getting a new troop type (IP would be it, IM is definitely a typo no matter what)

[tepid steeple]

oh

il/im/ip is spanish li/mi/hi

mystery solved

[compact leaf]

Yeeep

[orchid tulip]

Weird that only 2 didn't get translated

[tepid steeple]

just missed it probably

[compact leaf]

It happens
They'll fix it when it gets to release

[compact leaf]

https://youtu.be/Eflk8vGsHDA?si=sLmUM4A2fjJZcZqX

Another new video

[orchid tulip]

Have we seen the stats for the Tanuki?

[clear shadow]

Not yet

[compact leaf]

We might have to wait a while for those

[stable pelican]

maybe

[compact leaf]

Just worth noting
The booster pack alpha you're getting only has stuff usable in Vanilla (and a model that straight up won't be in the game anymore) and that the action pack is pure Winterfor so if you're planning on mixing all that together, well... You can only do that with Vanilla

Winterfor is pretty cool though

KFC is gonna have basically all their stuff available in Vanilla too anyways

[stable pelican]

👍

i dont plan on playing sectorials atm

until theres like the N5 rules for them

[compact leaf]

All the rules for the sectorials and Vanilla factions should be coming out at the same time at least

[trail fulcrum]

When? Hehehe

[orchid tulip]

Yes

[compact leaf]

November 18th is the date they're aiming to have the army app updated and rules released

Sandtrap is gonna ship a bit later iirc

https://youtu.be/m966nrDCOHI?si=hhzneQlEZeBeN28I

Contents of the beyond boxes revealed

[orchid tulip]

Those are some oddly shaped SMG and shotguns

And Dcharge for that matter

Looks like they took the Ninja list, removed everything after DCharge and changed the weapon images but forgot to update the text

[compact leaf]

Lmao yeah.
It's supposed to be a boarding shotgun looks like?

[orchid tulip]

Boarding shotgun, pistol and some kind of CC

Default seems to be DA

[compact leaf]

I suppose we'll see when we get the profiles

[twin mountain]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2343358276

This Dropfleet Commander TTS module consolidates parts of all the previous modules and includes scripted components.

New features include:
All factions including the Resistance
Consolidated module assets
Optimized table layout
Easy Scenario setup
Scripted bases
Editable Activation cards
Support for all factions, including the Resistance.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1670238895082113112/E9EABDB67E52AD48B6413A0DEDFFED3011CF48B4/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1670238895082113124/97C328DBBE68DB21B09A0B35E670E90C7EADE010/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

@digital bay @twin turret

oh also @maiden ermine

[compact leaf]

Oh shit already??

Always wanted to try this, thanks for the post Winged

[sleek trail]

Yeah i also wish to try

[sand sonnet]

It just got a new rules edition so it's a good time to start learning Dropfleet.

[hot comet]

I've always loved the Drop universe

But nobody around here plays any of them.

So this is great

[twin mountain]

if you do run this please cc me in strategy club

I'd love to try the game out myself

unrelated note: hey guys, a wargame I have been excited about for 5 years is finally shipping to backers and is also now on TTS. I will be talking about it in strategy club. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFOPZh-gpAM

#strategy-club message

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuK7JBC77ck onus traianus is also on TTS now. I'll once again talk about it in strategy club

#strategy-club message

[potent wyvern]

grid wargame 👀

[twin mountain]

indeed

[potent wyvern]

oh shit this has facing mechanics?

[twin mountain]

go forth to strategy club o/

(I think so)

[autumn sun]

https://www.strangeplastic.com/rivenstone/

All backers of Rivenstone will be soon receiving the STL files for the product they backed and all backers will get a discounted rate for the Rivenstone Kickstarter STLs we place on My Mini Factory.

[velvet badge]

Damn haven't heard of Rivenstone in a hot minute

[autumn sun]

It kinda collapsed in on itself.

[velvet badge]

Yeah I heard the project went to shit despite the massive initial hype wave

[autumn sun]

Hopefully Strange Plastic can revive it.

[velvet badge]

The hell even happened to it?

[autumn sun]

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/803404.page "Broke Anvil" is/was apparently a former employee and details what happened.

Typical mismanagement shit that happens in a company being run by someone who isn't good at it.

[sand sonnet]

Anyone here familiar with Strange Plastic?

[compact leaf]

We now have a battle report!
https://youtu.be/mcFdil2wpyY?si=iyUfleakGfswh9ql&t=1m53s

Our first actual N5 game

[tepid steeple]

any interesting takeaways?

[compact leaf]

Well
They didn't actually have the full N5 rules yet for it.
But uhh
Martial arts is obviously a lot scarier now, and shotguns are... A bit more interesting to choose between blast mode and hit mode now that they're using a circular template

The Imperial guard is probably the most killy model in the new set, nanoscreen is real good
Almost too good stacked with mim -3

So it might be getting changed a little?
If not then it's really good on the Hatamoto since you've gotta hit it with templates or it's armor 5

[tepid steeple]

mm

[compact leaf]

Oh yeah

And HI duos are extremely good ways to use them

[tepid steeple]

mm

new hi duos do seems really interesting

[compact leaf]

Getting the fake extra burst is real neat

[velvet badge]

What I'm hearing is I just need Joan and her beard Gabriel to duo without dropping the extra 90+pts on hospitaliers

[compact leaf]

Eyup

Unless you want sixth sense

[velvet badge]

That's an expensive price for 6th sense

But a crosier team might have some gas if commanders and infirmarers retain their counts as

[compact leaf]

We shall see

Father knights are coming back too

Wonder where they'll fit in
They're wildcards in KFC

So maybe they'll be the same in MO

[sleek trail]

Hey chat

Infinity opinion

Are TAGs exosuits or mechs

Looking at standard s7 tags

[compact leaf]

They're both

Sometimes they're remote-controlled

Like a Shakush is an exosuit but a maghariba guard is definitely a mech

And then a Cutter is a robot I suppose

[sleek trail]

I posted a pic of a szlamandra and it got called an exosuit

[orchid tulip]

Basing my opinion around how the seating looks in the "bootleg" models, I'd say mostly mechs as it doesn't look like pilots really use their legs to move the legs of the TAG. But it also comes down to your own definition of exosuit vs mech

Ariadna looks more "classical" mech, and both PanO and Nomads have remote controlled TAGs

[sleek trail]

Mads have piloted

Unless gators and the new observancy one are not

[orchid tulip]

Stigmata has remote presence and lack a pilot entry in the Army apps

Gator is piloted

The Stigmata also "lacks" pilot arms sticking out of it's chest

[compact leaf]

Ariadna's single TAG is one of my favourite designs

Chernobog my beloved

[orchid tulip]

No love for the Triphammer huh

[compact leaf]

I mean
That's not Ariadna's

Everyone has that

[orchid tulip]

Most of the images I had seen of it had been the Cravecrawler variant, which reads very much as Ariadna

[compact leaf]

Triphammers are all just the TAGs from TAG raid

So

They have a design for a few of the different factions

There's also this one

This one

This one

Aaaand the regular release

they're trying to go for the same aesthetic as all the other mercenaries with the new one looks like

God I wish the TAG raid models were easier to come by

At least there's gonna be a regular release beasthunter eventually

[orchid tulip]

That kinda slaps

Of the Beasthunter models; JSA, YuJing and Nomad looks lovely

[compact leaf]

I really like the Nomads TAG raid stuff

[orchid tulip]

The Nomad Digger and TAG are kinda a miss for me from TAG:Raid

[compact leaf]

I like em
Also didn't even know about this but there's a CA TAG in there?

It's like a baby Maggie

With arms!

[orchid tulip]

Apparently there is model overlap between Infinity* and Warcrow

[compact leaf]

News to me

[orchid tulip]

The Steindrage from TAG:Raid is also a beast in Warcrow Adventures

[compact leaf]

Huh, neat

The implications are hilarious

[orchid tulip]

The Vurgok has to be my fave tag from TAG:Raid

[compact leaf]

Vurgok goooood

[compact leaf]

I like the TAG but the Digger is kinda a miss

All the beasthunters are great though

PanO probably has my favourite digger

[orchid tulip]

All of the Hunters are nice, but I vibe more with Kitsune, Chaos Gremlin and girl with big sword

[orchid tulip]

How many non-NA2 armies will exist in N5?

[sleek trail]

i think we saw a list

[compact leaf]

If I've done the math right:
10 main factions
24 sectorials

Yeah I've got the list, one sec

[orchid tulip]

So 6 factions to go for N5 videos

[sleek trail]

shame about the loss of stuff like MRRF

that said kosmoflot has a lot of their coolest toys

[compact leaf]

Most of their stuff still made it to vanilla

Like

[sleek trail]

yeah, also that

(i only care about paracommandos and mirage-cinq)

[compact leaf]

Worth noting that all the pieces that like
Gave a given faction their identity either have a successor unit or have been transferred to vanilla

[sleek trail]

i am still pissed about nomads losing meteor zonds across all the factions

those are ICONIC

[compact leaf]

Uhhh wait, have we seen any of the sectorial lists yet?

Cause they might've just made them a specific sectorial's thing

Remember that N5 vanilla doesn't necessarily mean they have literally everything from across all sectorials anymore

[sleek trail]

oh i expect they are a corrigidor thing now

but all three sectorials got them

previously

i will stop being mad if they are tunguska though cause im sectarian

[compact leaf]

The only one I don't think would have em is Bakunin

[tepid steeple]

meteor zond fucks

[supple shale]

Alas, Zouaves my beloved

[sudden halo]

They're Bakunin's only combat jump, so I expect they'll stay unless they add CJ to one of the initiated parachutist profiles

[tepid steeple]

gonna get a maggie for christmas :)

heard that its current model is on borrowed time cause its not viable to keep in stock so

if the replacement model is cool Ill just have to have two xP

[orchid tulip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahTwaD7e4B8

Time to cook

[stable pelican]

iguana gone

[tepid steeple]

oh noo whattt

ablative tag is so cool

[orchid tulip]

Gone from Vanilla, will probs be a Corregiador unique

[tepid steeple]

oh right right

[orchid tulip]

I both understand them not showing all sectorial lists but it would prevent these reactions so much

My current list got made illegal with the full removal of nuns from vanilla Nomads

[tepid steeple]

rippp

i wonder if gecko haris will be in vanilla now

[orchid tulip]

Non of the "normal" units really hooks me D:

My go to Lieutenant was Kusanagi

[twin mountain]

hey guys I track new indie games and that includes tabletop stuff. This is dope as hell. https://gamefound.com/en/projects/diceordeath/black-hats I'm talking about it in #tabletop-discussion message . it's like, a card game but also a wargame

[tepid steeple]

oooh

[haughty bobcat]

Are you guys terrain piece or terrain tile people

[hot comet]

Depends on the game

I will happily geek out over fully-modeled game boards

[sleek trail]

The magic of miniatures games imo is the special ability to take the dimensional aspects of objects and turn them into mechanical factors

Like a kind of alchemy

I like terrain pieces for that

[fallen rune]

Same

[orchid tulip]

I enjoy the big 3D tiles of Necromunda's Zone Mortalis

[stable pelican]

played in my first infinity tournament and came in 6th (8 player tourney) and won 1 game

such a fun game

[compact leaf]

Congrats!
We had a local tourney to close out N4 here as well, sat it out due to not having minis though

[sleek trail]

infinity is the best tournament game

[sudden halo]

I also skipped our N4 no more tournament yesterday. It fell on my anniversary

We did have a guy play starco and bring the two Anacondas and a triphammer Haris

[compact leaf]

Absolutely bonkers

That had to have won at least one match though

[autumn sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQkTx2KW2fI&ab_channel=JustForFun!

[sudden halo]

It did! It mostly just delivered smoke though, as Anacondas are known to do.

[sleek trail]

Anacondas need a glowup

Now that they compete with triphammers

[stable pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-believe-guys-christmas-one-week-until-christmas-im-so-thriled-about-this-information-christmas-christmas-meme-gif-24202287

TRENCH CRUSADE

JUST IN A FEW HOURS

[teal cloud]

Literally schedualing my work day around the TC drop

[autumn sun]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1405364378/trench-crusade

[stable pelican]

backed it

https://tenor.com/view/dance-skeleton-puppet-gif-6114807

150,000$ less than an hour jesus christ

[velvet badge]

Backed. Artillery witches here I come

[teal cloud]

The gamers yearn for the trenches

[autumn sun]

http://puu.sh/KhFNz/93c84305d5.jpg

Owns owns owns

[teal cloud]

87$ for a warband and a physical set of minis is some really generous pricing.

[autumn sun]

Yeah, even cheaper if you just want the STLs.

[teal cloud]

My god they might break $666,000 within the week

Truly heretical

[stable pelican]

trench crusade releases kickstarter today

1491 backers less than an hour

https://tenor.com/view/луй-gif-25341721

[autumn sun]

I might swing for the physical book. I like having pretty hardcovers on my bookshelf.

[next pilot]

Heretic legions and the court both seem interesting

Some of those big demons look hell to paint though

[compact leaf]

Nice pun

[next pilot]

...that wasn't intentional

[compact leaf]

Unintentional puns are the best ones!

[autumn sun]

https://vxtwitter.com/NornQueenKya/status/1851330393804329164

[teal cloud]

That is a fucking insane conversion rate

[compact leaf]

that's like

almost 2 grand per person

jesus

[sleek trail]

Its already passed 666666

[teal cloud]

Absolutely heretical

One of the creators posted this lmao

[steady swallow]

yaaaaaay I get some New Antioch boysss

that’s gonna be fun to build,,,

[orchid tulip]

All listed Stretch goals have been met, with 2 hidden goals between 835k and 1m

[haughty bobcat]

https://youtu.be/MWYQFCyimIc?si=Y8EpCYu0UPorj3yc

Since Infinity is so popular here

[sleek trail]

very exciting moment for indie/alt games

[twin mountain]

I can't believe the bastionland guy is making his own take on battletech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCxly3tyFYc

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-EJpBxh2VRUnF3xIzee6O9wvlgtO0soE/edit

[teal cloud]

I caved and got the full Iron Sultanate and Court ranges

[hollow crypt]

Measure and Move 😔

art's cool though

[sleek trail]

MEASURE AND MOVE

[twin mountain]

yeah I'm not sure it's my kinda thing, but I know lots of people here are hankering for battletech

[sleek trail]

measure and move forever

its what makes a minis game a minis game

instead of a game with minis

[teal cloud]

LET ME WHIP OUT MY MEASURING TAPE RAHHHH

[orchid tulip]

Trench Crusade closing in on that 1mil stretch goal

[twin mountain]

does anyone know of any good vassal tutorials?

[sand sonnet]

There's not a lot of great resources for it and a lot of support went to TTS these days. What has you looking at Vassal recently?

[steady swallow]

@native portal ?

[twin mountain]

somenoe just brought itu p in relation to dropfleet

and I felt it behooved me to learn someday

[sleek trail]

Beat

[sand sonnet]

Vassal is better for like the paper chit style of wargame and not as great for measuring out distances with a ruler sort.

[native portal]

vassal is too old for much tbh

At base it possesses very few features besides running on a toaster, and requires you to just code Java functions into the module to do anything complex

I run stuff in it solely because I don't really like automation, I run niche ass games, and because I think TTS has too much clunk

(t. there's no reason for tabletop simulator to actually simulate a tabletop, that's not what I want it to do)

Really it's literally just 'display an image' plus whatever board do-hickeys you add, then place a number of pieces on that board from a palette that can do things you add to them

[tepid steeple]

vanilla haqq biiig

Haytham and Zaybak Aero units are new

and Sayiq? not sure how a tag pilot distinct unit would work

it and the najjarun arent called out as a specific section

[compact leaf]

yeesh, that's like twice the size of the PanO one

and I was lead to believe we were gonna aim for roughly the same size for all the vanilla factions

[pearl knot]

Haqqislam deserves nice things

[compact leaf]

Well here's fireflies, with a couple spelling errors :b

[tepid steeple]

oh huh

like

poor visibility instead of zero visibility albedo

[compact leaf]

Albedo might be working more like mimetism then?

Also
Turret drop profile is neato

[tepid steeple]

yeah I wonder if it's a firefly thing or an albedo/eclipse in general thing

ohhh that is cute I like that

I hope it gets a model

paramedic not a skill anymore looks like. not that it was really

[compact leaf]

They actually have models for turrets, but you gotta get em as part of an objective markers pack

[tepid steeple]

still getting +1 dam infantry guys, wonder if tags will go up at all

I guess they do only have smgs mostly

[twin mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWQjvT8mo1k

[autumn sun]

OPR is great.

[sleek trail]

This does mean that rhe firefly paramedic might not be a specialist

Unless nco is a specialist skill

[red pulsar]

i am eyeing up the trench crusade kickstarter and contemplating some serious financial irresponsibility

what i'm mostly agonising over is the rulebook: physical media my beloved, but also, it's available for free online as a living document, so surely it would very quickly become outdated with updates

[autumn sun]

Well, the physical won't release until June 2025 so I think there's going to be a number of changes before getting "locked in" and sent to the printer; at that point I'm sure there'll be FAQs and minor updates but probably no major rules changes.

[red pulsar]

true

the second thing i'm agonising over is how many miniatures to buy

two warbands would greatly increase my ability to annoying proselytise the game to my ever-beleaguered friends

[teal cloud]

I committed poor financial choices and slammed 250 on TC

First time I've done something like that

I think snagging two bands without the extra bells and whistles is pretty fairly priced

[tepid steeple]

ohhh true

[red pulsar]

it is done

i'm getting the iron sultanate and serpent's court warbands

[supple shale]

Trench Crusade fucks and I am pleased to see the ks doing mega millions but alas it is also the primary threat to my resolution “no new 28mm projects for fiscal year 2025”

[teal cloud]

I'm very pleased Trench Crusade immediately told the chuds to fuck off when some of them began flocking to the game

[red pulsar]

my wallet shall crumble before the might of factory fortress's resin alhamdullilah 🙏

[teal cloud]

Iron Sultanate is the coolest Golden-Age Islam faction I think I've ever seen

[autumn sun]

https://vxtwitter.com/pbgomez_/status/1852204942737711279

[teal cloud]

I know I wouldn't have dropped hundreds if their discord was overrun with Deus Vult dick heads

[next pilot]

Space lizardman is a great look

The one page rules shadowstalkers characters are neat, what army are they supposed to represent or are they original?

[autumn sun]

https://www.onepagerules.com/factions/shadow-stalkers Age of Fantasy army.

[stable pelican]

resin pour on my Trench Crusade Diorama

[tepid steeple]

niiiiice!

liquid effects are so good

remember being fascinated by the little streams at my local gw as a child

[compact leaf]

Alrighty, this is what December is gonna look like apparently

[tepid steeple]

the beasthunter is so coooool

[sleek trail]

Are those ariadna palbots

Remontnikbot

[tepid steeple]

it would appear so

[sleek trail]

I dig it

I love fhe goofy eyes on the paintjob

[orchid tulip]

Beasthunter and Beyond/reinforcement box/es for JSA is what I like the most from these, not getting a sculpt image for the Posthumans is kinda wierd

[compact leaf]

It is unfortunate, I'll go looking though

[orchid tulip]

There are 5 different Posthuman units...

Is this a merge of all variants?

[compact leaf]

It'd be nice

If they just have 1 of each in the box or something

[orchid tulip]

Mk4 has two diff sculpts I think

[compact leaf]

The fun part is that you can't actually take 2 mk4s in the same list

So

Having 2 models of the same unit is mostly pointless there lmao

[trail fulcrum]

Oh no

New posthuman box

[pearl knot]

new posthumans? o.o

yeyeye

[supple shale]

Crazy Koalas, apparently

Ariadna getting perimeter weapons now I guess

[sleek trail]

What unit is this?

I did not expect that at all

[supple shale]

Kibervolk team

[supple shale]

new Dozer sculpt there is rad af imho

[pearl knot]

@compact leaf tbf, making it an impact template is probably closer to how it was in N3, which is when I learned The Shotgun Lesson.

[compact leaf]

Oh, we might be thinking of two different things then

Uhh
I'm thinking of forking stuff, what's your definition?

[pearl knot]

"Alright class, today we're going to learn why you don't stack your cheerleader corp up in a line behind a wall where they block ARO sightlines for each other on the assumption that they're simply too deep in the backfield to be attacked" sound of a shotgun racking "lesson begins now :)"

[compact leaf]

Ahhh

Yeah

I got the lovely scenario of watching someone else learn the rocket launcher lesson instead

And so I learned fear

[pearl knot]

who would win
a fireteam of the Human Sphere's elitest power-armoured tier zero operators,
or one shasvastii boy with a tube

[compact leaf]

It is a very dangerous tube

[echo marten]

God I love Infinity Remotes. They're not the fanciest boys but they really sorta sell what infinity is to me, if that remotely makes sense?

Ah, he was playing Lore Accurate Combined Army. Crushing everyone with one hand tied behind his back. XD

[sudden halo]

That is a sick table, very unique.

[sleek trail]

C+ aros would dominate, i dig it

[compact leaf]

Hetkari profiles dropped(?)

They definitely live up to their name, can be something like BS 17 if you're whacking a model in good range brackets without mimetism

[sleek trail]

If kriza dont get bs attack -3 im going to kill someone

[stable pelican]

hetkari is in beyond sandtrap?

[compact leaf]

Ye :3

[stable pelican]

ooo

slay

[compact leaf]

We haven't seen any of the profiles for the JSA stuff in beyond Sandtrap weirdly enough

Maybe they're getting all the PanO stuff out of the way first

[compact leaf]

So these are the new posthumans

[tepid steeple]

ooh

[pearl knot]

Hmm

I will admit, the new sniper does a decent job of continuing the sass of the old.

Less 'lounging for a sitdown in the middle of a firefight', more, 'boy, you dun goofed, huh?' energy.

[orchid tulip]

The capes look a bit of to me

[sleek trail]

I dig it. Deeply extra

What is this, mk 1, 2, 3, 5?

[orchid tulip]

. 1
5 2
3

??

[sleek trail]

Yeah that was my assessment

[compact leaf]

Oh yeah
We just got soft confirmation that all the removed sectorials will be playable again in N5, just not immediately

The direct quote was "they will be gone from the playable roster until they are scheduled for a comeback"

[sleek trail]

Yeah not a shock

[velvet badge]

I just hope my soldiers of fortune will still be playable somehow. Massacre was the only one in a sectoral outside ForCo

[sleek trail]

Almost certainly

[stable pelican]

N5 when?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

[echo marten]

Aww, only one new ALEPH unit in N5. But hey, it doesn't look greek at least, so yay 'support that isn't ASS'

[compact leaf]

7 more days!

[stable pelican]

are you saying...

its

a week away???

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-believe-guys-christmas-one-week-until-christmas-im-so-thriled-about-this-information-christmas-christmas-meme-gif-24202287

N5

JUST A WEEK AWAY

I AM SO EXCITED WITH THIS INFORMATION

[compact leaf]

Ye :3

[trail fulcrum]

My brain looking at spires conquest

Why is this so sexy

[sleek trail]

do you think Aleph's feelings are hurt

Because achilles betrayed her

[compact leaf]

Probably

But at the same time, she sort of had it coming

[sand sonnet]

Time to create a new boyfriend to fight your old boyfriend.

[compact leaf]

Also
Kinda funky now that CA is just another power with a seat at the table instead of total takeover, I guess they're going the diplomatic route for now

[sand sonnet]

I mean if you can't beat em, time to try talking to them?

[supple shale]

Kinda inevitable imho; CB’s in a tough spot there on account of how you want to maintain the EI as a credible existential threat to the human sphere but also advance the timeline periodically

[sudden halo]

I feel like the CA isn't in any particular hurry. Like okay we'll hang out and study the digesters here while we conquer elsewhere

[supple shale]

Yeah, definitely worth reminding that this is not the only front the CA has open right now

[sudden halo]

Personal hope is off screen the Tohaa discovered the Triumvirate and it sparked an internal civil war. CA takes advantage and conquers most of them. Triumvirate gets written out of the story entirely and we get Tohaa with Errant Fleet, Govt in Exile(Trihedron), and Sygmaa sectorials.

[velvet badge]

That'd be pretty rad

[forest charm]

hey hey hey, figured you guys might have an answer to this. I've been trying to make a fairly simple and streamlined skirmish wargame (the temptation for rules bloat is intense), and i was wondering if you know of any good model lines to use for sci fi insurgents/guerillas.

[compact leaf]

Infinity Haqqislam?

[tepid steeple]

anvil industry have great modular options including both cast and printed/stl stuff

[compact leaf]

Anvil is great too yeah

myminifactory also probably has some stuff (but I'm not sure)

[supple shale]

Khurasan and Ground Zero Games have a bunch of stuff that would fit the bill in 15mm

[forest charm]

thank you all! Will definitely be looking into these.

[sleek trail]

I am so tempted to make a khurasan army to use with ETERNØL

They got some cool future soviet and future arab stuff that would be fun to make into diorama bases

[stable pelican]

played with Jeanne D'Arc

shes a tank

[umbral prawn]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bEHr09MV7k0wlJNjOYpOcSDpu4pWkdbyiZld2m-Zv_E/edit?usp=sharing
Night Sky Falling 3.01 is out

[supple shale]

hell yeah send ‘em to the Joan Zone

[velvet badge]

All aboard the Joan bus!

[supple shale]

Notorious pain train conductor Jeanne d’Arc

[velvet badge]

Throw in her beard Gabe and their adopted son Kyle and you've got a hell of a Fireteam. Or Mary Problems' favorite target lol

[echo marten]

I mean, I'm a bit hurt as I really liked 'Legally, Not A TAG' Achilles 😛

But if ALEPH couldn't work out that Achilles would lose his fucking mind when you fuck with Patrocles, I think she might not deserve that 'intelligence' part of 'artificial intelligence'

[sleek trail]

To be fair most of the AI in the setting seem to be dumb as shit

[orchid tulip]

Join the free net of the nomads

[sleek trail]

Nomads bestmads

[echo marten]

What are you going to do nomads, gender swap another Recreation? 😛

[autumn sun]

https://bsky.app/profile/gavthorpe.bsky.social/post/3lao5t5ogls2a

[twin mountain]

Where are the files?

Is this on tts?

[sleek trail]

Been excited for this as a mechs in skirmish games fan

[twin mountain]

okay filter 1 has passed

aaand filter 2 has passed. I'm in

@twin turret TAKE NOTES ^

[echo marten]

What were the filters for you?

[twin mountain]

pre measurement allowed, alternating activations

[fallen rune]

IIRC they're

• game allows premeasurement
• AA

[echo marten]

Makes sense.

[twin mountain]

two simple litmus tests that will make life much easier for all you new kids to wargames

I am teaching my babies. they must learn how to survive in the winter wilds

@twin turret is getting her first mini this christmas

they grow up so fast

[echo marten]

Have you heard much about Erika's wargame, Riposte? It's got both of those, though it's also very much 'under development' (Among other reasons, Erika likes entirely redesigning subsystems she's not 100% happy with)

[twin mountain]

😭

oooh no, do tell

[echo marten]

It's an alternating action wargame designed for roughly '500 point 40k' sized armies. So like 3 squads and a tank or such.

The big thing is that similar to Infinity, when you activate, another unit can attempt to Interupt that action.

Hence Riposte

So if you try to charge, the other guy can try to interupt and run backwards to get out of charge range.

Or Shoot First in a gunfight

It's the underlying system for her game Fulda Rift, about a Weird Cold War where the US Couped Hell (Satan gave Stalin a handshake when he turned up and it made the CIA Mad) and the USSR is using lamarckian evolution to breed Perfect Supersoldiers.

Combat Cosmonauts

Engineered through Lysenko’s crossbreeding of the most upstanding Soviet citizens with the hardiest strains of wheat and corn, the New Soviet Men are nine foot tall, nearly immortal supersoldiers, chiselled living statues in the finest tradition of Soviet Realism. Clad in specialised armoured spacesuits and armed with the finest weapons a peaceful space program can craft, a combat cosmonaut team can take on a platoon of soldiers and emerge victorious.

Infernal Auxiliaries

The CIA went through a large number of euphemisms for their newfound allies after the successful coup of Satan and the installation of Henry Kissinger as the new lord of Hell. They tried extra-dimensional advisors, subreality freedom fighters, and infernal auxiliaries before finally just admitting that their new shock troopers are, in fact, literal baby-eating demons from the heart of hell itself. They are considered a positive step in the agency’s moral standing.

[fallen rune]

Huh that's interesting to me - Kill Team actually makes more mention of measurement allowances

Just objective distance - so I assume that measurement at any time is allowed

(EG you can't actually declare an attack or charge when you are out of range for it)

[echo marten]

I'm working on one of the Extra Armies for Fulda Rift, in Australia and their Mining Industry and Sidhe.

Desolator

One of the big problems that the Mining Industry often has is infestations. You want to set yourself up a mine or you want to do a nuclear test and the local area is ‘Inhabited’ or ‘Indigenous Heritage’, what do you do? Well, it would be expensive and slow to go through the courts, so you’ve got to get creative and call in the Desolators. People are much more willing to give up their land once you’ve poisoned the groundwater for generations and their crops are developing strange growths!

[pearl knot]

The one problem with AA is that it does put kind of an upper bound on how big games can be, but I think that limit is a pretty comfortable one, so eh.

[sleek trail]

BAH

Alternating activations isnt mandatory (infinity)

Neither is free measuring

In movement template games often you explicitly dont want free measuring

(gaslands)

I think infinity would be fine with premeasuring tho

[sleek trail]

I have been wqnting this for a while soooooo

I gotta check it out

I think though having hard limits of saying THIS IS GOOD DESIGN

Is incurious

Theres def interesting activation schemas that arent AA

Hobgoblin (rank and flank by the gaslands guy) has igougo within phases but you play out the phase before moving to the next. So its "i shoot, you shoot, i move, you move" etc

And it prevents alpha striking by having damage taken only matter at the end of a round

In general i think the better QoL metric is "how long before i get to do something meaningful"

apologies for the ramble. its late

[sleek trail]

theres a lot of really cool and compelling design choices here

it solves the scaling issue of AA by just not having rounds

[twin mountain]

Oh god infinity doesn't have pre measuring?

You have fun with your godless games

Children, avert thine eyes

[tepid steeple]

i feel like the supposed problems with premeasuring is mostly just slow play thats better solved by a chess clock

i think the like. uncertainty can be interesting but also gets old

[autumn sun]

https://twitter.com/TrenchCrusade/status/1856190301292941728

Trench Crusade (@TrenchCrusade) on X

im getting an ice cream cake tomorrow

Twitter · Nov 12, 2024, 4:20 AM

[sudden halo]

Infinity would take 5ever with pre measuring. It already has problems with taking forever while you try to work out the optimal actions. I think it's the type of game that needs some slop to really work.

[orchid tulip]

Infinity N5 delayed until December

[sudden halo]

I don't mind not pre measuring largely for that reason. Wargames games take long enough as is, anything to keep it moving and keep people out of analysis paralysis is a good thing.

It's also one of the reasons why I'm not 100% in love with AA, since every action means you need to take in new info and adjust you add a lot of thinking time. I think my favorite is phases with some type of alternating or simultaneous component.

Especially with spaceships. It really doesn't feel like a ship game unless everything moves before everything shoots.

[sudden halo]

Thinking about it some more, the big reason why infinity takes as long as it does is because it's a game about managing risk rather than managing resources.

[orchid tulip]

Units go beep beep

[sudden halo]

So the consequences of any given action are already much more up in the air than a more resource driven game. The more information you have in a risk calculation, the longer it takes, which is why the asymmetric information is as important a part of infinity as it is.

[trail fulcrum]

@twin mountain

[twin mountain]

It's the cheerleaders that get me the most

Why infinity decided to create a whole new problem I'll never understand

BLKOUT has face to face rolls and reactions - those are cool!

[orchid tulip]

Just to get me closer to the right page, cheerleaders being order monkeys/using other units orders to use your good unit more?

[orchid tulip]

I kinda wished they gave us some info on why they decided to delay

[compact leaf]

If I had to guess, it's probably the army app