Satisfactory/Factorio/Other Logistics Games

[marble crown]

honestly just setting up one fuel interrupt and having dedicated trains is probably easier than ltn

[steel meadow]

oh my goal is to 100% avoid circuits as much as possible

[marble crown]

but they are so helpful

[steel meadow]

i bounced of having to hand craft too much
im not touching circuits unless i really really have to

[marble crown]

dont play space exploration then

[steel meadow]

i wont lol

ive seen videos on it

im not touching seablock/space exploration

im fine with space age

[marble crown]

but like this is how i do train unloads

but honestly the best tip for trains is to get a chunk aligned blueprint book for tracks

makes it so much easier to set things up

[steel meadow]

yeah i probably will get a blueprint book for rails
im generally trying to stay away from using blueprints i havent made myself

but for rails i dont really wanna reinvent the wheel

we do a bit of 🍝

[marble crown]

yeah i made my own but honestly its better to grab one as its going to be mostly the same but there are some nice qol features some have put into their books like i know there are som where they have made sure verything is aligned just right that you can drop turns and such over stright aways and not have to mess with signal placement

also oh how i crave default inserter recipes

i still remember a run i did where people wanted to do tons of trins but didnt want to do city block stuff and i was just like

[idle stratus]

They key to circuts is starting simple. "If the recieving chests at this stop are still full, turn off the stop."

[idle stratus]

Back in late 1.0 I made my own roboport-scaled trainblock book. I really need to get back and reside it for 2.0 rails. Maybe after Silksong.

[carmine carbon]

Figure it out, please 🥺

[marble crown]

Ye I can leave it to you to figure out, just remember to consider what your circuits will do when the power is out

[carmine carbon]

Hohoho

You free today?

[marble crown]

[carmine carbon]

T

F

M

G

[marble crown]

notes for self: finish copper mine, finish copper smelter, set up reactor fuel

when is next?

[carmine carbon]

No idea

Has Jury Duty

[marble crown]

Oof

Also based off of today ina have to pester you to add mining patch planer and a ratio calculator mod

[carmine carbon]

Which ratio mod?

[marble crown]

lemme go see which one i use

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/factoryplanner

[carmine carbon]

That'd do it

[carmine carbon]

Installed

[marble crown]

and did you get https://mods.factorio.com/mod/mining-patch-planner?

those two will make it much easier if i'm having to do most of the new mines and refactoring of the base

[carmine carbon]

I did

[marble crown]

but yeah early into next session i should be able to fix our copper problem which should fix a decent amount of our other problems

and i'll just slowly keep pestering you to add more qol mods

[marble crown]

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i think one opf my favorite mods is no longer incompatable with SE

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[carmine carbon]

Which one, smol bugcat?

[marble crown]

blueprint sandbox

will grab link

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/blueprint-sandboxes

is v nice for designing

basically gives you a lil creative world

[carmine carbon]

Ah, ye

[marble crown]

iirc it gives one per player and one shared

[marble crown]

ok so actually that was an old iteration of normal stick this is normal stick

and this

is cold stick

[steel meadow]

trains slowly happening

[marble crown]

Trains good

[carmine carbon]

TRAINS!!!!!!!

[marble crown]

I think a lot of people get caught up on the signals because people explain them so poorly

[idle stratus]

They're so simple!!11! 😄

[marble crown]

Ye

The space between two signals is called a block

A train can't enter a block belonging to a rail signal if there's already a train there

A train can't enter a block belonging to a chain signal unless it can make it all the way to a block belonging to a rail signal without encountering another train

[idle stratus]

"But why is THAT important?"

[marble crown]

Because trains have social anxiety and you have to tell them when it's okay to pass each other or they can get stuck

At some point we need to do a big run with everyone from pnet

[idle stratus]

I'm still on my silksong grind.

[carmine carbon]

Yesssssss

Mods, obvs

[marble crown]

Ye thinking once SE 0.8 comes out that could be interesting

[idle stratus]

I never actually got off Nauvis in 2.0 Got distracted doing early quality and building out a space platform, but never a spaceship.

[marble crown]

Quality is such a trap of a mechanic

It's remarkably easy to cheese but such a massive resource sink if you approach it directly

[idle stratus]

Yea, the "intended" route is just to skim quality incredients off your science supply line for mall use.

...without ever backing up into stopping the science line.

[marble crown]

And that works fairly well once you get recycling

But the good way to do it is the lds shuffle

[idle stratus]

recycling is the cheese. :p

[marble crown]

Get legendary coal from space make lds on Vulcan recycle it now you have legendary iron and copper

[idle stratus]

Dont you need a Gleba recipy to turn carbon into coal?

[marble crown]

Maybe?

[carmine carbon]

Wait

Legendary copper is a thing?

[idle stratus]

Recycling cheese is a helluva drug.

[marble crown]

But with the right research and modules you can get 100% of your plastic back out of the lds shuffle so you basically get to print infinite legendary iron and copper

Every non liquid can have quality iirc even wood

And fish

[idle stratus]

I saw a video where someone had incorporated the gleba planting towers into their defensive lines to grow replacable dragon's teeth.

[marble crown]

I want to do a space age run with people where I'm not constantly begging them to do something that resembles efficiency, oh and not getting a strep throat abscess in the middle of the run would also be nice

[carmine carbon]

Anybody played Shapez here?

[sour portal]

I did

I had a lot of fun

[carmine carbon]

2 is so gooooooood

Have you played it yet?

[sour portal]

I have not

Was it difficult to adjust to the 3D?

[carmine carbon]

Surprisingly not

[steel meadow]

how you know the trains are working

[marble crown]

trains go brrrrrrrr

[marble crown]

Note for self: swap reactors to only insert one fuel have latch open on inserter pickup+belt

[idle stratus]

"Insert reactor rod if Steam drops below 50%"

[marble crown]

thats what the old controler did but now you can directly read the reactor heat

[idle stratus]

Does the heat stay up with no load?

[marble crown]

as far as i know yeah

[idle stratus]

Interesting

[marble crown]

so now you can just set the reactors to refuel once the temp is low but we dont have the enrichment yet and wont for a while so fuel conservation is big so i want to make sure it only puts in one as iirc reactors will burn fuel even at full heat

[marble crown]

so i just gotta remember to change that over next time i get to play

[marble crown]

[carmine carbon]

TFMG?

[marble crown]

i will go get the bean juice

[carmine carbon]

I should grabs lunch too

[carmine carbon]

TFMG?

[marble crown]

[carmine carbon]

Next time later this week

[marble crown]

might redesign a bunch of things to down scale, kinda hard to fit stuff on the map

but i cant tell if thats just because krastorio is making stuff take more space or not

[marble crown]

note to self for next time: the CME is top priority

[marble crown]

@carmine carbon also i'm not like overstepping with bringing in big blueprints am i?

[carmine carbon]

As long as they be simple, not really

Simple as in just tedious to reproduce, but easily parsable

[marble crown]

ahh ye then i'm good, all of my stuff and planned stuff has just been like laying things out in the right ratios or numbers and lining up rails and stuff

[carmine carbon]

The Rail book is a work of art

[marble crown]

eh there are a few improvments on it i could make

[carmine carbon]

Give yourself credit

[marble crown]

i mean its good but i could make it a bit better

like i could make a T and + intersections able to be placed over the corner

i need to get around to updating the station book already

[carmine carbon]

Ugh

I want to factory, but not enough knives

[marble crown]

knives?

and ye i'm feeling the same way sometimes

[carmine carbon]

Like spoons, but for dealing with people /lh

[marble crown]

the combination of k2 and SE is super draining

[carmine carbon]

Yeeeeah

[marble crown]

like i feel like either independently might be fine but together its just

with SE needing previous versions of every thing for upgrading and K2 adding all the extra crafting steps for the sake of extra steps

and i feel like the cool stuff they add might make up for it

but being botless and before the cool stuff stage

well requesterchest-less

[carmine carbon]

Ye

Req chests are close, though

[marble crown]

its tempting to just go up and bootstrap some science but the last thing i want to to make a temp setup that becomes permamnent

and getting everything on trains is going to be usefull anyway

[marble crown]

next session i'm going to try to get us ready for the cme and i'll put down a few more of my city block style train factory thingies

[idle stratus]

Rebuilding my railgrid in 2.0.

[idle stratus]

Looking for train advise. The end product should be a tileable cityblock (roboports halfway down each straightway) with up to 8 stations surrounding it, 2 per side- the pic has an example of both station types.

Unfortunaly, it looks like I've run out of room for signals.

[last tinsel]

Playing Oddsparks again now that it's out of EA,
it's unique how the design of the game means the length of roads and where you pick up vs put down items is actually important, as it affects your overall throughput

My current bane is intersections though, need to figure out a solution for them

[idle stratus]

Just unlocked elevated rails in my railgrid file, trying to figure out the best way to integrate them.

[carmine carbon]

Cloverleaf

[marble crown]

Roboport coverage in rail blueprints always makes me nervous

[idle stratus]

how so?

[marble crown]

it enables some bad decisions

[idle stratus]

It defines block size, but I believe I've worked out the problems associated with that.

[marble crown]

i know for a fact some of the people i play with would remotely delete a mining outpost where the train stop still has chests full of ore

[idle stratus]

Pain

I had to reposition a backed up unloading stop to solve a signalling issue on a corner, so I saw that first hand.

not remote though, so I was able to turn on a few buffer chests with filters nearby

Assembled the rails needed for essential loops first, letting the bots handle the rest of the blueprint as my indersized rail production catches up.

[idle stratus]

Yes, waiting for recycling is better for any quality builds. But this extracts rare components for personal upgrades from the science stream while still on nauvis, although you have to deal with the Uncommon waste products.

[outer saddle]

tempted to start another Dyson Sphere Program run

[marble crown]

just lds shuffle and then do a scrap thing for just the pink stuff

[idle stratus]

I dont thing recycling is very well designed for that reason. also, I've never done a interplanetery mission yet.

[marble crown]

oh

you talked about recycling and i didnt look to cloosly at the screenshot thought it was a recycler array for fulgora

one thing of note speed modules have -quality on them

if you're doing stuff like that you can automatically burn off lower quality stuff you dont want by turning it into science or or repair packs

[idle stratus]

Huh. I didnt see that. Guess I need to strip those out.

[idle stratus]

I've rebuilt everything except sulfur in the railgrid now, at least in mall quantities. Time to tear down the old base and scaling up the railgrid.

[idle stratus]

Trying to remember how circuts work.

[marble crown]

wa you trying to do?

[idle stratus]

When (chests frontcar) have (stack size)x40 and (chests backcar) have (stacksize)x40, Send (activate) to (Trainstop)

In 1.0 I manually set stacksizex40 as a limit in an Decider combinator, and when the stop recieved 2 green checkmarks, it activated.

This should output!

Fixed it

[idle stratus]

Cleaned up and functional loading stops.

[idle stratus]

And unload stops

[idle stratus]

Found a few alignment errors in the above blueprint. Otherwise, it works pretty well.

[idle stratus]

Trying something tricky with low demand items Lube and Sulfur. Will see if it works.

[idle stratus]

This might be crimes.

12 halflanes unloaded while there's a train present, merged into 6 full lanes, and the solution for making it happen in only 5 spaces between station and build involves splitting a redbelt into two yellows just long enough to beltweave with 2 other redlanes.

[marble crown]

But are the lanes properly throughput balanced?

Or is that train slowly going to gain a bias for one of the cars and tank your throughput

[idle stratus]

there's a 6->4 balancer just past the screenshot.

which, yes, tanks the thourput just a bit once it backs up to the train.

[last tinsel]

How common are biter attacks on Railworld supposed to be? I got one attack really early and haven't actually had an attack party in like 8 hours

Maybe I'm being too proactive about clearing out nests, but it feels like there's been a couple that absorbed a ton of pollution without attacking

[idle stratus]

Railworld is Zero Expansion. You only get attacked if your polution cloud expands over an existing nest.

[idle stratus]

It came to me in a dream, required about 2 hours of work to make real. untested.

I can go back to sleep now

[idle stratus]

I THINK I've figured out a counter that shows the highest throughput a belt achieved in the last minute.

Clock decider transmits it's current clock and 1 clock (so, advancing clock by 1) to itself and everything else, as long as Clock does not equal 3600, resetting the clock to 0 (60x 60-tick seconds, or 1 minute in-game) (I may need to change that to 3599)

Counter recieves a pulse whenever a new item enters the belt, and adds it to the number of pulses it counted last tick, unless Clock = 0

Decider reads the output of Counter, and transmits it ONLY on Clock=3600 (just before reset, so the highest value achieved over that minute)

Memory remembers what Decider transmitted, until Clock = 3599, resetting the memory just in time for a new minute count.

if you know an easier way, feel free to let me know.

[marble crown]

wait the highest throughput in that minute or the throughput for that minute?

because those are two different numbers

[idle stratus]

The number of pulses recorded by Counter in that minute.

[marble crown]

ok so the total throughput of the belt for that minute

[idle stratus]

yea

[marble crown]

there may be some way to cut down the number of combinators but honestly that's a perfectly serviceable way to do it

[idle stratus]

Ok, just confimed my clock needs to end on X99, not X00

[marble crown]

the real fun is in trying to get a continuous average of throughput

[idle stratus]

Give me 3600 separate memory cells, I think I could manage it...

[last tinsel]

A moving average doesn't need that much memory

[idle stratus]

Probably, but the way I'm thinking of it is one cell refreshing per tick, and taking the total of all cells.

3600 is the minute tic count, 60 is the second tic count

[idle stratus]

I'm unloading "enough" materials, but I'm pretty sure it isnt entirely balanced unloading. And I could make it a lot better if I could force factorio to place a straight conveyor where it wants to place a turn, but there's no room for a feeder conveyor, and the underground exploit is facing the wrong direction.

hazards of scaling up my 1-2 station design for 3 red belts up to a 1-4 station for "6 belts"

[idle stratus]

Solved it

[idle stratus]

Now to figure out what I can actually DO with a continuous 180 items per second, inside a single standard railblock. That can be 60 green circuts a second from copper wire with only 30 green circut assemblers (adjusted for crafting speed modifiers), or with three of those, feeding assemblers making 9 blue circuts per second (thought that's 90 assemblers at crafting speed 1, so that might not fit in a railblock)

[vivid plover]

merrychristmas engineers

here,have an abomination

[last tinsel]

Why all the wires

[vivid plover]

power

[deft arrow]

i've never seen wire spaghetti before

[idle stratus]

The wires could be cleaned up a but, but it's not terrible.

The ratio problems are worse.

[idle stratus]

Dynamic priority. The more green lights there are in the holding area's traffic lights (that is, less trains waiting) the higher the priority of the stop. (Green signal x20 = alert signal, alert signal = stop priority)This way, the closest stop doesnt fill up with 4 trains while other stops go empty. Also, because I could, the train currently being unloaded is detected 3 times- if there's no train unloading, that's a massive spike in priority until it gets replaced.

[idle stratus]

I dont know if that a thing that's actually a problem, but it might be based on my schedule archetecture, so including it now.

[idle stratus]

well that was a waste...

Misremembered smelting speeds, made room for half the smelters I would need with uncommon smelters. It works with legendaries, but by the time I have that many legendaries I'm not hunting for rare drops like this.

Otherwise, it DOES work, at half speed.

Or full speed with legendaries, as above

Easiest fix would probably be to reformat it as a twin cityblock and stretch the smelters over twice the distance lengthwise.

[gaunt spire]

not sure which one

actually

imma replace the center lines with conveyors

mmm this works

[dull rose]

I feel like you could chill on the lighting a bit? Like cut okay the middle two

Otherwise, looks great

[gaunt spire]

They run at 60%

[gaunt spire]

hmmm

[dull rose]

Even without the lights on, they look real busy to me - but different asthetic tastes. it's your road! Go nuts!

[gaunt spire]

ughj

I’m going to raise this platform up later

But the idea here is it’s just a simple left/right deal

Go right and I believe that should be the grand central mall

[idle stratus]

Random brainstorm I had. Dunno if it's worth doing.

[gaunt spire]

the sound is daunting

[gaunt spire]

\

[late pelican]

remember that this thread probably existed so
factory https://i.imgur.com/T2nO1CP.jpeg

is it efficient? no
does it produce everything i need? also no
is it well designed? once more, no

[gaunt spire]

parking garage :D

[idle stratus]

Looks loke you just need Engines and yooull have blue science!

[steep siren]

Lol the workplace accurate big truck that's parked diagonally taking up 2 spaces

[gaunt spire]

Enjoy.

[gaunt spire]

one of my issues rn is fucking nuclear

160 god damn uranium powerplants

and i could go into ficsonium but it takes too damn much effort for the amount of energy you get

plus it uses like, over a whole map's worth of SAM

[gaunt spire]

this many, plus the incomplete third row

is only 54 nuclear reactors

for reference the factory is 160

it takes 1 pair per reactor

320 extractors total

4 rows of 80

lmao

ok just made it a touch longer, total length is now 40 in 2 rows

[gaunt spire]

500 gigawatts of nuclear's worth of extractors

before redundancies (an extra 4)

or 5% backup

i feel like i should expand this to 3 towers instead of 2, but dedicate only 1 to nuclear so i can run water across my whole world

[late pelican]

so i decided to actually buy factorio (and space age) [🏴‍☠️] and completely restart, this time on a rail world, so heres a new definitely bad but functional base https://i.imgur.com/gTpgbiO.jpeg

(the copper mine is further south, as visible on the map)

[late pelican]

also in exchange for my first oil field on the previous world being a single patch (of like, <50% base), this world has given me this monster https://i.imgur.com/XHFbYlL.png

[late pelican]

21 pumpjacks https://i.imgur.com/oTpMT5o.jpeg

originally i was going to connect the power to the main base as well and even ran a line, but realized that solar was more than sufficient

even if it stops at night, im fine with that for now

[late pelican]

also this time im seriously building out solar https://i.imgur.com/y5Tbpa2.jpeg

im going to build a separate accumulator field later

[late pelican]

spabghet https://i.imgur.com/luSJliX.jpeg

[late pelican]

i completely dismantled my entire base (besides the solar) and im now rebuilding it from scratch, so heres oil https://i.imgur.com/VUSPKSr.jpeg

(20:5:15 instead of 20:5:17 but i think thats Close Enough)

also iron, steel, gears, sticks, yellow and red belts, yellow and red undergrounds https://i.imgur.com/s0MWjYT.jpeg

splitters requires green circuits, which requires copper, but building the copper stack needs red circuits for the substations and im out of plastic which is why i went and did oil

[late pelican]

i have successfully launch my first rocket https://i.imgur.com/m4BnGsQ.jpeg

[idle stratus]

I still havnt launched a ship to the next world. I keep getting distracted by Quality 2 on nauvis

[late pelican]

oh also, around the time i set up a seperate coal mine, i decided to mine out the local coal patch completely, just dumping all of it into chests, except then i had to move the chests to make room which took forever and now im moving them again so i built this monstrosity https://i.imgur.com/KoGcW2O.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/HUQ1xj6.png

(yes im using a million splitters instead of any kind of actual balancer, i just want everything moved)

(also the radars were already there)

[late pelican]

reactor! (i had one already, i just built a nicer bigger one) https://i.imgur.com/EDXvdBA.jpeg

yes im dumping on the fuel onto a circular belt but the inserters are set to only activate when theres no fuel and the temperature is low, so very little is wasted

[marble crown]

ahh steam buffers, one of the few buffers i dont intrinsically feel hatred for

[late pelican]

hilariously, my solar array still outputs more power during the day

though thats only because im not drawing enough to actually fully utilize the reactor so the system defaults to solar instead

oh also i read the wiki wrong, i need WAY more turbines

2 per exchanger is without neighbor bonuses

i actually need 138 total

[late pelican]

okay yeah, now we're good https://i.imgur.com/Mr5MYzG.png

[idle stratus]

Pain

[late pelican]

thats definitely one way to do it

[idle stratus]

I only sent up 2 inserters, 1 mk 2 assembler, and a few grabbers, grinders, solar panels and smelters. Plus a rocket and a half of wire.

[marble crown]

i'm going to tell you this since the game wont: Platform WIDTH not weight is what will limit your speed

[outer saddle]

Belt witchcraft is fun. :)
For context, we're playing Krastorio 2, and setting up steel plate production at scale with room for beacons once we have the materials and belts necessary for it.
The recipe for steel plates is 10 iron + 2 coke makes 5 steel plates. So we need 2 belts of iron input and a bit less than half a belt of coke input to make 1 belt of steel plates.
Essentially, this little contraption uses a left-prioritized splitter to pull off the steel plates, an underground to only pull the steel, then puts it onto the space between the furnaces and belts, where the second input belt of iron was just a few tiles earlier.
We could've just removed a furnace and routed the output through the gap, but that meant a few beacons wouldn't be buffing the maximal amount of buildings, so we fought with our belts a bit until we got this. :)

(The numbers also worked out really nicely; once we upgrade this to blue belts and productivity modules/speed beacons, it'll saturate a full blue belt with one or two extra machines to make sure there aren't any gaps.)

[idle stratus]

slowly growing

[vivid plover]

i am not very good at building in 3d spaces

[torpid nova]

I'm working on the start of my big fancy universal train network

one might say I am using it as an excuse to linger in phase 3, I say it's because I need more encased industrial beams

And because train tunnel

[steep siren]

Love the train tunnels and that rail loop with a tower in it

[torpid nova]

I set up a pylon system with blueprints for rails

The big flat topped building just behind the space elevator is sort of intended to be a logistics hub

So I will just stack it higher with stations as needed for import and export

The tunnel happened because I have that copper ore shuttle that was running through there and wanted to place a set of stations for collecting iron/coal/concrete there so I just made a tunnel through its foundation

[steep siren]

Copper ore shuttle?

[torpid nova]

I needed more copper for my Computing/Weapons facility, so I ran a quick double headed train

It has its own dedicated rail and is kinda small, it makes me think of the shuttles you sometimes see at big airports and stuff

It's probably more optimal to have a long noodle conveyor but eh, train

[steep siren]

Oh right shuttle like train

[torpid nova]

I can't believe I forgot my dogs, Gloopy Doo and Gloopy Two

[torpid nova]

I accidentally fed a iron ore belt into the output of a smelter stack (intead of the input) and I did not notice so now I need to clean it all out

Clearly I need to color code these

[torpid nova]

Last message today, but this is my work in progress steel-iron products facility, it should provide all the supplies I could possibly need for everything up to and including heavy frames and motors

I predict it should have 1-2 more floors added

[idle stratus]

Researching my first other planet, but I havnt actually secured my base yet. Evolution just hit the point where tank shells dont oneshot nests anymore, and also, I havnt actually redesigned my base post bots yet.

[torpid nova]

I am constructing a mere 130 generator turbofuel plant in a collaborative save with a friend and I am dreading doing this alone in my own save

At some point it feels more like a chore than a puzzle to hook up that many giant buildings

I may have forgotten the number but it's just a plant that is using one pure node at 600m³/min and using the alt recipes to make as much turbofuel as possible

In the future I might try to stack this stuff by just getting the crude and water way high up with minimal pumps and then feed it downward with gravity

[torpid nova]

I can be trusted with conveyors

[outer saddle]

That looks really nice! :D

[steep siren]

Huh so something I read on the wiki is the factory cart has a single inventory slot and can be self driving like a truck/tractor.

I have a silly idea, dozens of automated carts on the same path to move low output exports to truck stations just for the aesthetics of seeing them zip around

What a madlad
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/r38nqn/180gw_no_waste_nuclear_plant_automated_factory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[torpid nova]

It's too bad I went and farmed a ton of alternate recipes and now I have a screw-production-line shaped tumor inside the building

[torpid nova]

It may be simple but I find this to be a genuinely useful thing to install to any frequently visited building

[torpid nova]

Complete project in background

I also finally jumped into phase 4 and am massively expanding my rail line to automate crystal oscillators and aluminum

(but before that I am gonna build a stupid 132GW turbofuel plant)

(Which will require me making a mainenance power plant just so I can entirely tear down and re-organize my messy old setup at the eastern crater lake, my chosen location)

[steep siren]

Imagine tearing down your old stuff couldn't be me

[idle stratus]

It's really awkward to transition from the starter base to a railbase because you're so reliant on the legacy infrastructure to handle your buildout. I decided to blueprint a Rail Mall with everything important at this point, that only needs smelted iron and smelted copper on rails to get started.

[outer saddle]

Fellow railbase-r!!
We should show off our K2 railbase here sometime...

[carmine carbon]

Y'all should

.. I should start a SE save

[torpid nova]

This took some skill on my part, I think

[torpid nova]

(I'm absolutely getting blenders instead for my next diluted fuel production chain)

Refining a full 1800/min crude oil with this production chain is rediculous and I wish I would just do aluminum so I could at least have the next tier of belts

[vivid plover]

does

does this work

[outer saddle]

The things we do for two belts and a fluid input in plus a belt out...

Pretty proud of it. 5.4k AI Cores per minute. :)

(Krastorio 2.)

[idle stratus]

Two solid imputs, one fluid imput?

[outer saddle]

Yep. Processing units, Immersite Crystals, and Nitric Acid go in, AI cores come out.

[vivid plover]

uh

what am i doing wrong

[torpid nova]

From what I understand yes, strictly speaking, but it is unreliable as its behavior can change between save/loads

And also why make such a high bump in the pipe? I assume it is to stop sloshing but I make mine like half as tall

pumps are only needed if you require more height, they don't promote flow in any special way

[vivid plover]

i have no clue how they workall i heard is "if it is high anything below it is gonna get water"!

[steep siren]

Yea that's how I assume it works, even the slightest incline upwards would need a pump but any downwards doesn't

[torpid nova]

From what I understand the concept of "head lift" concerns the elevation of the source of the fluid (pump, refinery, etc) and then you can go as far below as you want up and down but only a limited amount upward relative to the machine

I mentioned sloshing, which happens if the flow of liquid is too unrestricted between the output and input machine, and for me the main solution to prevent it is to make sure to add some kind of flow restriction to the input machines

[vivid plover]

well if i put it all the way up now i dont have to worry about

getting it higher if i build higher

thats how i think at least

my brain is very simple

[torpid nova]

That is fair in terms of expandability

For a more general tip, or at least another thing I personally do is making a pipe manifold for multiple machines where I run a length of pipe perpendicular to the machines and add junctions to split off into them as needed

[torpid nova]

See above image

And as you can see I put the pipes above the input so some fluid pools in and helps make a sort of micro-buffer to ensure consistent operation (at least the intended result)

[torpid nova]

Behold my packaged diluted fuel carousel

It wants to be spaghetti so bad

[mighty zinc]

Dyson sphere program ass belts

[steep siren]

What don't see a drone just phasing through the belts so it's not an authentic dyson sphere program belt

[vivid plover]

.....

Why did it take me seeing this to realize "wait i can stack belts"

[vivid plover]

somefhing more like this then?

[torpid nova]

Yea I'd say so

[vivid plover]

yay

...is

is there

any SAM that i can get nearby

[torpid nova]

Yea there is

By your death crate on the map

[torpid nova]

I hate this place and I think it hates me too

it's not even sloshing, the pipes just don't want to use all their throughput and it's clogging machines at the start of the chain

I even spotted some bits where adding a junction to the pipe apparently stopped flow through and literally just deleting and reconnecting the pipe fixed it and that's just one potential factor

of course it's just the difference between 70GW and 80GW of power which isn't a huge deal because it's already eclipsing my demand currently but there's just that little goblin in my brain that wants it to run at full capacity

I eagerly look forward to a project that doesn't handle mass fluid logistics

[steep siren]

Trains once again goated, much more reliable for transporting liquids very long distances

[torpid nova]

By that I meant short distance logistics

Making a manifold input 600/min into a pipe without clogging and actually feeding that into the machines

My heavy oil is backing up because I just designed my factory poorly I guess

I mean if I really cared I can maybe move that whole refiner block up so the output flows down instead of up

[steep siren]

I still don't understand fluid and don't know what sloshing is

[torpid nova]

Pipes are bi-directional so the fluids can hit the end of your pipe run or the input of a already full machine, reflect and start back-flowing, which causes havoc on throughput

Self-reinforcing loop that just makes everything inefficient and the solutions are obnoxious to say the least

[torpid nova]

Y'know the thought is only now occuring to me, am I ever even gonna use 70GW of power in this save?

[vivid plover]

i saw this while watching anime and my first tought was

"average megafactory"

[late pelican]

that is what most cities are, to be fair

[steep siren]

Too clean, wheres the spaghetti

[late pelican]

theyre belt-weaving through the skyways

[vivid plover]

i

i think the ratios are right

why arent the pipes filling

[outer saddle]

Death on wheels. >:)

[carmine carbon]

Tonk!

[outer saddle]

Indeed. :)
Thank you, Krastorio 2.

(It has three railguns, an Impulse Cannon, an HMG, and a 12x15 equipment grid. Best. Thing. Ever.)

[carmine carbon]

Yerp

[finite flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/497294084348575754/1469841546424877106/image.png?ex=6989201d&is=6987ce9d&hm=9c34318399c2531e64f63d067a780f6bdda1b28a1b4fe13059bfa09a28229288&

[torpid nova]

My workplace still runs hand fed assemblers too

[deft arrow]

LEA CROSSCODE?!

[outer saddle]

Eyup!
Someone made a skin mod for her for Factorio, and we wanted to be a girl.

[sour portal]

It's probably that bend up in the pipes, you need a pump up there if you want to do that

Satisfactory fluid dynamics is very stupid

[vivid plover]

what,like

in the middle?

[sour portal]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Head_lift

Basically the pumps raise the height the fluid goes to

[late pelican]

yeah, basically any height in the pipes means you need pumps

[sour portal]

Pressure? Never heard of it

[late pelican]

the extractors themselves do generate some by themselves

[sour portal]

Yeah, just not enough to get up there, and head lift is a fixed value from the pump spot up, so you need a pump a little bit up the side of that bend, basically

[late pelican]

though it should be more than enough in that setup, which is strange

[sour portal]

If you're doing that to walk through it, I would make ramps over the pipes instead

[warm flint]

oh good there's a factorygame thread

we satisfactoring it up

[vivid plover]

No I know,I just thought this would be enough

[mighty zinc]

Maybe it's just not tall enough?

[sour portal]

Head lift starts at the pump, it doesn't increase as you add pumps at the same height

So a ground level pump adds like less than a person's height of full head lift iirc, you basically have to stairstep them

[idle stratus]

My train shouldnt be doing this.

There's the loading stop, two waiting areas (behind signals), and a shortcut into the loading stop (using a chain signal)

The train SHOULD prioritize the waiting stops when the loading area is full. who is it not working?

(I've also got a clever setup that sets the priority of the loading area based on how many waiting areas are filled, but that doesnt work inles I can get this basic funtionaity working)

[vivid plover]

uhm

[torpid nova]

This next to a stack of 1 meter foundations is near transcendental

[vivid plover]

well that aint good

[idle stratus]

As a temporary hotfix, I've removed the direct path entirely.

[vivid plover]

GASP

[steep siren]

Whoa

Is this for doggo

[torpid nova]

A gift from doggo

[vivid plover]

hey uh

whats the thing i gotta research

to fill this so it doesnt look stupid

[warm flint]

foundations?

or inverted slopes

[vivid plover]

Also I figured out the problem

This setup produces and consumes 360m³ water per minute

But a mk1 pipe can only hold 300m3

[steep siren]

I love satisfactory but fluid mechanics need to be redone

[vivid plover]

Also this may be it

Gonna go check when I am back from boxing

[dull rose]

Yeah, i've seen those glitches before. tehy are very annoying

[dull rose]

I hate reinfienreis because of how much goddamn space they take up.

and you need So. Fucking. Many of them. because a lot of the "bet" recipes use them

[torpid nova]

It's a factor of their use

Incentivizes power shards probably

It also makes the ingame fluid dynamics weep if you use them poorly like I did

[vivid plover]

thank u

[outer saddle]

Home stretch! :D
(Krastorio 2.)

Now all we have to do is charge it up with 30 terrajoules of energy (minimum 15GW) and that'll be Krastorio 2, complete. :)

[carmine carbon]

Then on to SE

[outer saddle]

Buddy.
I am not playing K2/SE.

Maybe if I can beat Seablock I'll give that one a shot.

[carmine carbon]

I was tlaking about vanilla SE

[outer saddle]

Mmmmmmmaybe.
I'm not a fan of Earandel's approach to balancing.

[marble crown]

the telescoping?

i will say if you want to try SE just do SE dont do K2/SE

[carmine carbon]

Telescoping?

[marble crown]

where the electric furnace requires the steel furnace which requires the normal furnace

[carmine carbon]

Ahhh, yup

[marble crown]

which i get it its very annoying at times

but also

do not stack k2's 20 extra steps on top of it

[carmine carbon]

Learnt that one the hard way

Sorry, null

[marble crown]

[carmine carbon]

I.... Have not continued that server

[marble crown]

i figured

[outer saddle]

...actually no, not really.

negativenull ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161710447716745357 message) the telescoping?

That's... not our favorite, but not a deal breaker.

Mostly it's things like neutering other mods to fit his idea of "balance" instead of allowing people to make their experience their own, and mechanics like rocket crashing, meteor defense, and the like.

[vivid plover]

.you know

when i see the megafactories people build

it doesnt feel like i did a whole lot

[steep siren]

You'll get there

It helps if you're space inefficient

I like to build tall buildings for each factory

[vivid plover]

sssSHIT

oooh manufacturers are too tall...

cool this all has to go down

so i can raise all floors by one

[vivid plover]

man i am like

not very good at organizing space

[warm flint]

this is what my factory looks like too

[steep siren]

I prioritize how nice an assembly line looks

Space is not a concern in satisfactory since you can build up

Also makes your factories look more impressive

[vivid plover]

....ok so

I think I am gonna have to do like

One floor per tier of part

[dull rose]

The only problem there is how you've setup your splitters.

It's much better to do a manifold design normally - one splitter per building, with it setup so everything feeds in one end and gets distributed down.

It does have the disadvantage of taking time to prime everything (since it'll prioritize filling the first one), but manifold designs just work better

[vivid plover]

i mean,the space is mostly gonna be the same since

altought there probably is

a better way to do this

[dull rose]

https://images.steamusercontent.com/ugc/1938266093879078531/A176B2ADDF2FB2200784FA16A17627730AD9C33C/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

Example of a manifold for manufacturers, which have 4 inputs

[vivid plover]

god that looks so nice

[dull rose]

I put a lot of effort into keeping my builds asthetic and also clean

[vivid plover]

....so this setup i have is

[steep siren]

Damn that is a nice clean look

And youre using vertical conveyors? What a chad

Ive only recently discovered vertical conveyors just make your floors so much cleaner looking and use less space

[vivid plover]

you know what

this does look better youre so right bestie

[dull rose]

It's much easier to integrate those designs into bigger factories too

[steep siren]

I always forget that the blueprinting is a thing

Not a fan of how small it is at first

I always make my assembly lines very modular with a containers for inputs and container for output so the only hookup I need to do is between containers

[vivid plover]

yeah the

the blueprint implementation leaves a bit to be desired

[steep siren]

It's quite a shame cause it could add a lot if it was available sooner and larger

Having played so much I already know generally how I'm going to build layouts up until a certain point.

[vivid plover]

first floor

all that is made here is iron plates,iron rods,copper wire,copper sheets,steel beams and steel tubes

unfortunately theres

no way to navigate it on foot but thats ok

[dull rose]

WRONG

yuou can slide under conveyor belts

[vivid plover]

Yourr so right AGAIN bestie

[dull rose]

It's like i have nearly 2k hoursi n the game!

Some of the otehr builds in that world

Including the gigantic power towers

[steep siren]

You can parkour for a reason

They really didn't need to add nice movement to satisfactory but I'm glad they didn't

[steep siren]

You see with 2k hours it would mean I would be an expert at making spaghetti

[vivid plover]

also uh

can i ask how do i take from these equally in multiple outputs

like

the first floor is gonna be producing tier 1 stuff

the second floor is gonna be storage and distribution

[dull rose]

afaik, you can't

The main reason to use storage containers is just buffers

[vivid plover]

shit

[dull rose]

There is anotherr use case for them, which is train stations

where you link them up so there's whatever you're loading going into a container, and then both the exits of the container feed into both the train station's inputs

or vice versa

but that's becaus otherwise trainstations slow down stuff because they cant be loaded/unloaded while they're moving stuff onto a train

or off a train

so your'e basically using the cargo container as a buffer to let you account for that issue

[vivid plover]

well i am

a bit stumped on what to do now

maybe some diving is gonna clear my head

[vivid plover]

hm

[torpid nova]

Super nice

[vivid plover]

oh

its not just a solid purple package

[finite flame]

the slop

[steep siren]

Ground meat

[mighty zinc]

Ground meat? But that's clearly on a belt

:v

[steep siren]

While that is true, it is ground meat cause it's the meat that drops directly onto the ground if you kill a creature

Not to be confused with ground meat tm, which is meat made from meat found in the ground.

[idle stratus]

good old castlevania wallturkey,

[torpid nova]

Ground ground meat

Free range

[vivid plover]

really need to plan my builds better

hmm...

[idle stratus]

FINALLY finisher rebuilding the mall to smelt ores on site- first with coal, then with solid fuel once petrogas is on the grid. Also, since iron ore is on site, I add concrete structures.... and also modify the surrounding railblock frame to allow adding construction bots directly to the robot network.

all logistics boxes are restricted to red zones, which did require a bit of creativity in some places.

most egregious example of logistic spagetti

[outer saddle]

Honestly that's incredibly impressive!

[idle stratus]

not without it's brainfarts...

...running tests now. It's going to take a LONG time to saturate.

I did double check all the boxes were limited, though

green circ production is far enough down the iron plate pipeline that it's only giving a few dregs so far.

Power pole production just came online...

[idle stratus]

fixed a few more "forgot to actually put the input inserters"

worst one was where I had to swap which factory was making factory 1s and factory 2s in order to spagetti an iron line to the dedicated smelter for the factory2 steel

[idle stratus]

I think I've patched over the remaining errors with spagetti. I've still got major slowdowns on anything dependant on Steel and Green Circs, but there's a path for all of it once the supply saturates the other requests.

[vivid plover]

oh this is funny

[idle stratus]

Why is this train not entering it's holding area?

[vivid plover]

i mean,its saying that its detecting this train so it cant advance

[idle stratus]

But it's supposed to advance to the end of what it clearly detects as green, and stop at that signal.

Why is is stopping WAY BACK THERE?

[vivid plover]

I don't understand trains well but

I think this entire green thing is one block

And because it detects that if it goes into that block it won't have anywhere to go,it stops before entering it

You would have to make the holding area itself it's own block

I think

[marble crown]

On the entrance to the holding spot do you have a rail or a chain signal?

The tl;dr on signals, only one train between any two signals. Trains will only pass a chain signal if they can get all the way to a station (?) or past a non chain signal

[idle stratus]

Chain coming out of the turn, chain at the entrance of the depot, chain on each branch of the depot, rail at the FRONT of each branch of the depot, rail after the station.

[marble crown]

The longer version: the space between two (or more) signals is a block. The signal at the entrance of a block defines the behavior for a train trying to enter that block. All blocks can only ever have one train in them. For a train entering a block with a rail signal is allowed to park in that block either for a station or to wait for the block ahead of it to clear. A train entering a block starting with a chain signal is not allowed to park in that block and intact will not enter that block unless it can fully enter the next block, if that next block is a chain block it also must be able to fully pass that block too and it will keep looking ahead till it finds a non chain block

do me a favor and toss a bluprint import link for the rail bit

[idle stratus]

and the rail format:

Hmm. Turning all the chain signals in the sidings to rail signals seems to work on first pass.

[marble crown]

chainge the thing in red to rail signals and blue to chain

when you enter an intersection you want chain
when you leave an intersection you want rail

By having chain at the spots in red you were telling the trains they could not stop until the got past the signals marked in blue

Actually you may want both all of them to be rail let me look again

i'd signal this like this with red being chain and blue being rail

though depending on whats down track that signal at the station could be either and not cause problems

[idle stratus]

it splits immediately to join the next intersection.

[marble crown]

Oh then yeah that should be chain

[idle stratus]

So pretty much, I have chain and rail signals reversed EVERYWHERE.

except the actual corners.

[marble crown]

Basically a train will not pass a signal unless it meets all of its requirements

A rail signal had one requirement:

• there not being another train in that block.

A chain signal has 2 requirements:

• there not be another train in that block
• the train can meet the requirements of the next signal along it's desired path
• a train will look several signals ahead

it can help to think of chain signals as no parking signs

or as trains as having to reserve the entire path through chain signals

[vivid plover]

which more important chat

[mighty zinc]

Were the ficsmas hat, ornament trinket etc a permanent unlock during ficsmas or was it just for that save?

[vivid plover]

least efficient way

[vivid plover]

there we go

now i am producing

1 modular engine per minute

[mighty zinc]

What's the usual turnaround for experimental>release? Cause I kinda wanna wait for satisfactory 1.2 before starting my playthrough

[vivid plover]

ok so i dissasembled everything again

unfortunately i am still not smart enough to know how to deal with

[vivid plover]

this design probably sucks

[mighty zinc]

it's important to never let perfect be the enemy of good, if it works fine it works fine

[vivid plover]

there we go this should be better

[vivid plover]

uhm

this isnt like a visual glitch this is solid

[late pelican]

the ground is just a little confused about where it should be

[torpid nova]

Oh no why is Boxing Malewife making a Main Bus in Satisfactory

[mighty zinc]

Terminal factorio brain :v

[vivid plover]

its all i know how to do

[mighty zinc]

All Factorio players know is eat hot chip, trainbase, and main bus

[late pelican]

eat spaghetti

[mighty zinc]

If they'd eat it, it wouldn't be a problem :v

[late pelican]

you have to make the spaghetti before you eat it

[idle stratus]

Really good factorio players also know how to prepare Sushi.

[torpid nova]

I should do reactor sushi in Satisfactory

I call this method "Radiationmaxxing"

If I get around to making a reactor setup I also wanna specifically store all the waste on-site

I will also be automating iodine filters, obviously

[steep siren]

I haven't played Factorio but I love making main busses in Dyson Sphere Program

Once that assembly line circumnavigates the whole planet it feels cool even if it's inefficient

[vivid plover]

No but really what should I do here instead

[outer saddle]

And NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION-

Nalesh ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161710447716745357 message) All Factorio players know is eat hot chip, trainbase, and main bus

[mighty zinc]

That's just a very hot chip

[vivid plover]

hey

i got a nuclear nobelisk too

[steep siren]

Build modular and build vertically

I tend to build small factories near resource nodes and transport the finished goods to a central warehouse base that does no production.

And if I am bottlenecked I just build another factory and dont redo old ones. I kind of design around trains so every once in a while I have train station hubs to consolidate the output of multiple factories in a region that ultimately goes to warehouse

[vivid plover]

i mean that is kinda what i am doing

but

wrong i guess

[steep siren]

What do you think youre doing wrong?

[vivid plover]

i dont know it just

doesnt feel like i am doing it right

[torpid nova]

If you are producing components that are critical to space elevator parts you are doing fine by Ficsit standards

That being said, I feel organizing all the components into a main bus is a sort of waste of factory floor when I can just plug the output into the input as needed. If you have a blueprinter unlocked I highly reccommend designing machine stacks that you can easily slap down for production

I doubt factorio would have the main bus be such a popular design paradigm if they could make undergrounds just go wherever

[vivid plover]

oh no that is

just a room that i built for building adaptive control units and modular engines

i just didnt know how to make the parts needed to build that go to the right places witouth

....doing that

[torpid nova]

embrace spaghetti

[vivid plover]

....about that

[vivid plover]

....nevermind i cant

make a video of the factory small enough to show it through discord

but!

[vivid plover]

...man fluid mechanics piss me off why is half nopt working

[open lichen]

TIL there's more major updates planned for dyson sphere project, just planned for further than 2026

[mighty zinc]

Oh yeah the enemy faction is like, not even half done from what they want iirc

[open lichen]

the idea is to implement space combat

as well as space stations and vehicles

[torpid nova]

Here's a mini-course in Satisfactory Fluids if you want, as far as I know it is accurate

[vivid plover]

would probably be against the spirit of the game but

being able to make artificual planets/space statins would be cool

[mighty zinc]

Or just being able to build on the outside of dyson spheres

[steep siren]

I think stations are going to be a thing

Sort of like things in high orbit that just are around a planet, but I think they were more for combat

The combat is still very not done

[vivid plover]

the horrors

[vivid plover]

uhm

[torpid nova]

I finally finished the 'small' 45GW turbofuel power plant with my friend from a while ago

It also thankfully has benefitted from numerous lessons I have learned in pipe management so it actually runs at full capacity

3 sets of 60 generators, each set in 5 rows of 12 and each pipeline only ever has to handle a absolute maximum of 450/min, so there's some room to slosh

[outer saddle]

(Jumping here from a convo in CCC.)

[marble crown]

i actually spent a bunch of time just making some ships optimized for being narrow stic which admittedly was fun but they still need some work

[outer saddle]

nod
In terms of planets other than Gleba, Vulcanus seems... honestly quite interesting. Demolishers don't re-expand so you don't need perimeter walls or anything, which is a welcome change. And the production chains seem interesting - even if the Foundry is, if what we've heard and seen is true, such an incredible upgrade that it blows everything out of the water. :P

[marble crown]

it is behind some of the most overpowered things you can do

its the key to no effort legendary quality everything

[outer saddle]

Right, yeah. The whole thing with +300% productivity, right?

[marble crown]

yeah the lds shuffle

[outer saddle]

(Get 4x the stuff from one input, get enough for an input back from recycling- yeah.)

[marble crown]

that and liquids dont have quality

so if somthing (like lds) has only one non liquid input you only need to get that to legendary quality to make it legendary 100% of the time

[outer saddle]

...Quality is... interesting to us. It's interesting, adding a level of vertical progression to many items, though it does kind of feel like managing so many different qualities of things would be... a lot.

[marble crown]

ye, i find its best to run most things at just normal quality and then have some part of the base somewhere that works with quality stuff and to only make it for manual use

so like armor or stuff for space platforms

that way you dont have even more inventory clutter

[outer saddle]

...yeah. We kinda would've liked stuff like "mk2, mk3, mk4" items that require a lot more resources and more complicated production chains rather than just "feed in more raw resources until you get what you want", since the former seems like a more interesting logistics challenge to us, but we don't hate it.

Not quite our cup of tea, but something we'd deal with for the benefits.

[marble crown]

ye quality as it is now is more just a second resource sink

but with gambleing

[outer saddle]

nod

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-3937562841362806777

...back to the planets.
...quick question, before we go on. Is there anything stopping you from orbit-dropping lots of resources to help you get started on a planet? I.E drop onto Vulcanus, orbit drop belts and machines and pipes and the like, get a basic base going, then start up local production of products so you don't need to ship them in?

[marble crown]

nope

actually thats required on aquilo

[outer saddle]

Hmm, got it.

[marble crown]

it is better to like get a hub down on the planet iirc but theres no import restrictions so long as you have the export and transport capacity

[outer saddle]

That's... kinda nice.
...you're pretty heavily incentivized to make your factories self-contained eventually though, right?
As opposed to making a giant factory on Nauvis that ships out resources to other planets and brings back manufactured products for final assembly.

[marble crown]

ehhh

i mean i wouldnt hub from nauvis

most people tend to do so from vulcanus or fulgora

[outer saddle]

...huh, you can do that?
Most of the videos and posts we see online seem to have people setting up basically entire factories on each planet, so we figured there was Something incentivizing you not to hub.

[marble crown]

and you do have to bring all your science to one place eventually for research

so

[outer saddle]

(Presumably Nauvis for biolabs?)

[marble crown]

items have diferent max stacks when you're exporting them from a planet

like you can get a few hundred copper cables up per rocket but only 25 uranium magazines

[outer saddle]

...right, yeah. They capped magazines heavily to force people to engage with the orbital resource production chains. 😔

[marble crown]

so there is some incentive

i think yello magazines are 100 per rocket which isnt too terrible tbh

oh copper cable is 4k per rocket

iron plates are 1k

theres definitely a bit of a penalty for stuff like that but given how most resources are infinite you totally can hub

[outer saddle]

(See, again. I would never want to bulk ship up ammo to meet the demands on space platforms. Making it from resources you get for free on orbit is magnitudes more efficient than spending fifty rocket parts per launch.)
(But it still feels kinda iffy being immediately forced to do things their way, as opposed to being able to make a planetary-supplied platform for a bit just to get started before transitioning to self-sustaining platforms as we need more of them flying and more complicated ammo types being produced in large quantities.)

[marble crown]

i mean you totally can

yellow ammo is more than enough for platform defense and its not too bad to ship up

[outer saddle]

...right. Actually yeah I was thinking basegame 1000 LDS/processing units/rocket fuel per rocket terms, at which point that for 100 yellow mags would be painful.

I keep forgetting rockets in Space Age aren't as pricey as vanilla. Apologies. :P

[marble crown]

you just have to not be like my friend who made their ship and decided to try stockpile it with 10k uranium magazines with out checking the shipping cost and then complained we didnt have enough launch capacity

[outer saddle]

...see I would start trying to do that, go "Oh shit what, why is it so hard to ship up uranium magazines?? I had no idea! Hell no, I'm not doing that" and then ship up yellow mags or make stuff on orbit.

...or at the very least, instead of complaining about not having enough launch capacity, I'd increase launch capacity.

...segwaying back to the planets.
Fulgora and Aquilo I'm both uncertain about. Lightning-based power on Fulgora seems interesting; I'd have to experience it firsthand and find out if it's at least reasonably consistent or if sometimes RNG screws your power grid. Having to heat everything on Aquilo sounds like... a chore, TBH. Especially if they haven't changed heat pipe behavior and they still get diminishing throughput as distance increases like in vanilla.

[marble crown]

the lightning power if you squint hard enough is just weird solar

iirc the storms are time of day based

[outer saddle]

Fulgora scrap processing seems... I'm also not sure. It feels like it'd be a lot to manage and I'd feel a bit sad having to void excesses via recyclers to make room for more (wasted resources :(((((( ), but I feel like eventually we'd get it working?

[marble crown]

i'm not sure about the heat pipes but in my run i dont remember ever having a problem with them being too long

yeahhhhhhhhhhhh i hate having to just scrap things but, the tiny scrap islands are effectivly infinite

[outer saddle]

Okay, that's... good. We'd hate it if we had to put new heat sources every 20 tiles.

Oh huh. I thought they ran out like normal resource patches?

negativenull ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161710447716745357 message) yeahhhhhhhhhhhh i hate having to just scrap things but, the tiny scrap islands are effectivly infi…

[marble crown]

they do

but iirc

its like tens of millions of scrap

and the big drills ahve 1 base 50% productivity

[outer saddle]

...okay that is a lot of scrap. :P

...do they go up in size and richness as you get further from (0,0) like on Nauvis?

[marble crown]

i'm not sure

i didnt really get to do any of the planets in the one run i did

well i kinda did kinda didnt

[outer saddle]

Hmm. Regardless it's nice you don't need to be constantly rebuilding your scrap extraction outposts.

[marble crown]

i went around fixing everything as it broke

[outer saddle]

Lemme guess, had to- called it. 😔

[marble crown]

yeah

and got abcessing strep throat in the middle of the play through and came back to all of the planets stalling

[outer saddle]

Oh god, abcessing- fuck that sounds awful.

[marble crown]

it was less than pleasant

[outer saddle]

I would fucking die if I caught that.
Straight up drop dead.

Asthma plus that? Noooooooo.

ANYWAYS. :P

[marble crown]

ok quickly loaded a save the small scrap islands are around 20-30m scrap and i was incorrect the big drills have a 50% resource drain reduction that is separate from productivity, so you dont really ever need to rebuild them unless you're like hyper baseing

[outer saddle]

...I think that's basically everything that made us kinda apprehensive about buying Space Age.
...I think we'll still give it a shot, but I'm not sure we'll spend ages and ages grinding for promethium at the Shattered Planet, y'know?
Get it done for the experience and for access to quality/elevated rails and then move on.

...and if it turns out we really don't like it... ah well.
There's always Space Exploration.

...which is its own animal.

[marble crown]

i've technically never beaten space exploration

[outer saddle]

...even with that base you showed us??
And the orbital laser that scoured every single biter nest from Nauvis??

[marble crown]

yep

i never built a ship capable of doing the base ending

[outer saddle]

...right, interstellar capable, right?

[marble crown]

and then never went through the secret ending as i ran out of steam

[outer saddle]

(I just said right twice. Forgive me I'm eepy and can't grammar. :P)

[marble crown]

it has to reach a certain speed for like 10 minutes or somthing

i could have made it but i never did as i wanted to do the secret ending

[outer saddle]

Which involves an insane puzzle, right? :P

[marble crown]

and then i got part way into gathering the stuff to work that out and had an idea on how part of the puzzle worked (which was right) but just kinda ran into it being too much to do just for my self

well

technically it was a save with the same people i did space age with

so there also was some amount of i've put forward so much effort i'm not handing you all the win

[outer saddle]

...yeahhhhhhhh.

...we did that once in a Minecraft modpack, but that was because the only other person on the world was our best friend and we made an effort to play together as much as we could, even though life kept getting in the way.
We waited a week for him to be able to hop on so we could do the ending together.
...sounds like they weren't really trying to put in the effort; we don't blame you.

Regardless: maybe tomorrow we can start Space Age.
Looking forward to it. :)

[marble crown]

yeah i think they all like dropped out a couple hundred hours in and i ran it up to like 5 or 600

though a lot of that time was just letting the laser do its thing

i will have to look through mods and stuff

buh for now i should food and eep

is almost midnyight

[carmine carbon]

I would offer to join, but timezones

[carmine carbon]

And....yeah

[marble crown]

Wait

The most important of questions

Trains

Right or left hand drive?

[outer saddle]

We lean towards right hand drive in most cases, though that's mostly for self-consistency.
We're fine with left if that's what you prefer.

negativenull ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161710447716745357 message) Right or left hand drive?

[carmine carbon]

Oops, sorry

[marble crown]

i was just being a bit funny

and also dont want another base where it switches in the middle

[marble crown]

also like i'm sure there would be some overlap of play times as long as everyone is okay wif it

[carmine carbon]

Maybe not

Given I work 8-5

[marble crown]

[carmine carbon]

It is almost 4 now

[marble crown]

youtube has recommended me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2onxJwvvjbg

it knows

[carmine carbon]

The Factory Calls, null

It Must Grow

[torpid nova]

Finally automated crystal oscillators in Satisfactory, now I am aiming for Gas and Iodine filters, and then maybe finally actually automating nobelisks too, and then maybe nukes

And then probably actually automating space elevator parts

Phase 4 makes it necessary to do so

[mighty zinc]

Getting harder and harder to wait for satisfactory 1.2

[torpid nova]

My wonderful elegant small factory for mostly plastic but I decided to run the fuel recipe a bit to make some extra rubber as well from the residue byproduct

Sneaked out an extra 50/min or so of plastic and rubber both atop the designed 400/min of plastic

I can use those trace materials in space elevator components, but I mostly need this for computers

[marble crown]

@graceful galleon wa think about https://mods.factorio.com/mod/emberthal

[outer saddle]

HOLY SHIT-

[marble crown]

[outer saddle]

null I love this this is the best mod ever THANK YOU-

[marble crown]

[idle stratus]

I may need to replace my protogen engineer.

[marble crown]

Oooo after I get my steppies in I should check if there's a mod that let's you use multiple skins in one save

[marble crown]

ok so there is but its not yet working with the dragon mod but that is in the works

[idle stratus]

In other news, I'm almost done with my first ever spaceship designed to reach vulcanus.

[idle stratus]

waiting for test pilot.

so far so good

[marble crown]

[marble crown]

o nice the dragon mod now works with the character selector mod

[outer saddle]

:D

[marble crown]

so i can be the normal engy and you can be dragon

[idle stratus]

I might get that to swap between dragon and proot.

Particularly on vulcanus, the dragon really blends in to the terrain.

[marble crown]

I'm so glad I randomly thought to search for those two mods

[torpid nova]

I feel like I am actually getting better at the game in Satisfactory as I am making higher tier components at larger scale and easier as my technology progresses, mostly it comes down to getting more familiar with the building system. Nudging is the best thing ever.

[torpid nova]

Oh yea the highlight of one of my newer factories so far is a belt that has a throughput of 600 wire/min using the iron wire recipe so that is fun

[vivid plover]

hey uuuuh

quick question

how do i make it so the train takes the diversion if it detects another train there

[torpid nova]

Context needed

Trains route by choosing the fastest path to their destination, and stations put a distance penalty on that calculation, so if that station is not the destination a passing train will always take the bypass

[vivid plover]

oh so i dont need to add blocks?

[torpid nova]

if 2 trains are going to that one station and you want it to stop and wait while the other is loading/unloading you will need a block

Or to prevent a train from colliding while merging back on to the main rail from the station

Are you familiar with signals?

[vivid plover]

nope

[torpid nova]

So just to start, put one block signal at each end of the station, this makes the station its own block, this will be shown by the section of rail there being highlighted with a different color

How a block works is that if a train is occupying it, no other train will enter the zone set by the block signals

Is this a two-way rail?

[vivid plover]

i am running 3 trains on the same track

they all have 2 destinations. one where they load up on ore,and the station where they all unload and then go back to their specific loading station

[vivid plover]

nope

[torpid nova]

Ok, so you can enforce that with signals too

[torpid nova]

You may notice signals have an arrow over the rail when you place them, this is the directionality. If it were a 2-way rail you'd have to put 2 signals for both directions on the rail.

Anyway, you also probably just want to make sure the train won't collide on exiting the station, so add a block signal at the exit of the intersection and then another on the bypass before that intersection, that section of rail should also change color

[vivid plover]

the entire thing is just red

[torpid nova]

Gonna be a bit busy for a moment but I can elaborate shortly

@vivid plover At this station, have you tried this? With block signals at the red circles?

[vivid plover]

nope

[torpid nova]

Does not work?

[vivid plover]

let me go see

[torpid nova]

okie dokie

[vivid plover]

looks like its working

[torpid nova]

Oh yea make sure to move that signal at the junction over at the right a bit further down

the game doesn't really like when you put signals right where a track merges/splits

It's probably why you are getting yellow caution signs on those signals

And once that is done, I suggest putting block signals along your straightaways at regular intervals, to break up the blocks so trains can co-exist along the one big rail

[vivid plover]

urple...

[torpid nova]

Did you get the trains to work?

Peak transport btw

[sage solar]

This is neat: https://github.com/Snagnar/Factompiler

[vivid plover]

hell ye

i even managed to put a fourth loading station in

[torpid nova]

Sweet

[vivid plover]

also i made a horrid aluminum thing

[torpid nova]

I am currently setting up Nuke Nobelisks and got to make a fun train setup for bringing in a ton of raw stuff

I drew a diagram for a friend because I felt clever

It's a double headed train and the vertical bit on the right bypasses over the main rail, the way it goes from A to B actually "flips" the train so it loads both ends without gaps in the station's freight depots

It could also probably skip going over the main rail totally but I might also export nuclear fuel rods

[torpid nova]

Trying to comprehend

Is it using alt recipes?

[vivid plover]

nope

[torpid nova]

I imagine you would want to route water from the scrap refinery back into the solution one

[vivid plover]

that would have been smarter tahn

[torpid nova]

this is my aluminum place, using sloppy alumina and electrode scrap

[vivid plover]

setting up a packaging facility in the middle of my logistics

and sinking the bottle water

[torpid nova]

...the refineries are just below offscreen on that picture

I am also using the alt aluminum recipe that lets me just make the ingots without silica because I cannot be bothered despite losses

We'll just say it is free output increases if I do decide to swap

[vivid plover]

here this may help

[torpid nova]

However sloppy alumina recipe is just entirely a bonus imo, if you did want the silica from it you are probably better off using a different alt recipe to improve your silica production anyway, because the basic recipe already does not cover the costs for making scrap

(the sloppy recipe increases the throughput of the machine and also improves the ratio of bauxite to solution, at the cost of eliminating the potentially useful silica byproduct)

I'm using just one refinery to process 480 bauxite/min

[torpid nova]

Are you just voiding the output water or something?

[vivid plover]

ye

[torpid nova]

Oh I see

It would be trivial to just loop it back and reduce water pump throughput so its output + water byproduct meets the solution refinery's needs

never overflows, doesn't need constant material to package and sink water

(It's also a crucial concept going forward with more advanced refinery/blender recipes)

[vivid plover]

Wait so

I am meant to just loop the same water forever when making aluminum?

[torpid nova]

Aluminum is an introduction to this, you aren't making enough water from the scrap process to feed the entire factory, but you are best served to remove the water byproduct by just feeding it back into the start

So you will need to feed in enough water to balance it all so it won't clog or starve, but overall it makes for a rather lean production line if done right

To clarify, you aren't doing anything wrong, I just think the voiding water thing is the least effective of the possible things you can do with the byproduct

[vivid plover]

I have a knack for finding the least efficient way to do thing in factory games

[torpid nova]

But for example, and this is a much more direct example, encased uranium cells consume 40 sulfuric acid/min and then spit out 10/min. Should I try to package and void the extra acid, or should I operate as if the recipe actually uses only 30/min input and route the output back in?

[vivid plover]

Case in point

[vivid plover]

Oh so that's how nuclear Is gonna be ok

[torpid nova]

The aluminum is a bit more confusing perhaps because there is the solution in the middle to confuse things, but overall there's an input, and output for the process, and you are already using the silica to feed the foundry

[torpid nova]

This is only the start to be fair, the cells is one of the products required for an actual fuel rod

To turn a cell into anything useful sort of requires caterium products

And of course it is heavily encouraged to process uranium waste into plutonium at least

And nuclear generally is optional

[idle stratus]

I've got just enough Vulcanus automation to automate Red ammo production, and simplify handcrafing gun turrets. I've killed two baby demolishers, but I'm losing construction bots.

[vivid plover]

thank u

[torpid nova]

The good timeline

Oh it appears there is a present for the perceptive upon closer look

I do enjoy the aluminum processing apparently gets a little room to the side for itself
I wonder how the bauxite is getting there

[vivid plover]

uhm

[vivid plover]

i mean my goal is to give everything their own little room

its jus thtat

adaptive control units and modular engines need a 4000 square foot home

[torpid nova]

I will just assume that conveyor belt has a long journey to a resource node

Have you tried blueprinting stuff for belt busses at least?
I have a blueprint that lets me set down a raised belt line with a built in power pole it's very convenient

[vivid plover]

it has a train in the way

[torpid nova]

Fancy

I tend to use a vertical conveyor and just stick stuff to the ceiling for transport inside a factory

You can place splitters and mergers up there pretty easy and quick if needed

[torpid nova]

It just occured to me I have an incredible opportunity to do nuclear sushi with my first uranium handling factory

It's a bunch of components at small throughputs, it's a perfect opportunity

[steep siren]

This post is spaghetti beyond my comprehension
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/s/jT3gb3SHlv

And it's not just one area either

There's more than 1 image and it's actually a functional setup

[marble crown]

[torpid nova]

Behold my nuclear sushi

The manufacturer needs only one belt with filtered splitters

The uranium cells are most of what is left on the belt because I am intentionally overproducing, but I am also skimming them off for use later as they pass the nuke assembler

I also am skimming off uranium if they somehow get past the blenders just in case

The machine has 100% uptime which means this is in fact the most efficient way to perform this manufacturing process

I just doubled production because why not, sushi power

[idle stratus]

I've amost got a launch pad set up on Vulcanus, but I still havnt actually done any proper automation here, except for red ammo. Elerything else is single chain + boxes, with ingredients moved by hand from the magma base to the acid base and back, supplemented by the coal mine and carbon dropped from the spaceship.

[finite flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1fq9jxKZ68

spagoot

[torpid nova]

I instantly know someone is likely a dosh fan the moment they mention a starter base

Even if there is no starter base in this particular video

[idle stratus]

My starter base is designed around only having access to two wooden power poles until green science.

[marble crown]

as the designated fixer the spagetti calls to me

[carmine carbon]

As someone who works as a person who organises pipes

The spaghet immerses

[marble crown]

I normally end up following behind people fixing their builds before they death spiral the base so I'm often limited on space and/or time

[mighty zinc]

The worst part of that video

that's how I design stuff normally in games like this :v

(without the extra limiter mod obv)

rocket fuel burner inserters is criminal though

[idle stratus]

not even on Aquilla?

[mighty zinc]

haven't played factorio since way before space age

[idle stratus]

TLDR planet where everything that isnt burner needs heat pipes next to it, and those pipes need to be heated by a reactor or other facility.

[torpid nova]

Oh, this is awkward...

[torpid nova]

Also my nice evil forest rail

[torpid nova]

I leave you all with the super steel train

[torpid nova]

Some serious rubber/plastic production

1200/min crude into 1000/min of both rubber and plastic seems like it should feed my needs for basically forever, though I was super inefficient with power in the interest of saving space so this place alone must consume more than 5GW

[vivid plover]

how bad of a design is it to like

make one factory floor to turn raw metals into tier 1 parts like wires and plates

then a logistics/storage floor gor those aprts

then floor 3 to make tier 2 parts into tier 3 and so on and so forth

[mighty zinc]

Not at all, especially with trains/drones/vehicles it can lead to great modular scalability

Only thing you gotta watch out for(I don't know if this is a thing in satisfactory but it was in factorio), some recipes make more items than the resources they need, so it's better to just transport the raw materials for those

[torpid nova]

I internally consider that concept as the item's "density"

Stack size and the volume it is made relative to its component parts

I think screws and quickwire are the worse offenders for very low density, generally required in high volumes, where most space elevator parts are quite dense, turning lots of stuff into only a bit of output

The pictures I had above are all gonna feed to this facility I am calling the "Super Steel Plant" for the fact that it is gonna make a lot of the higher tier items that require steel (fused modular frames, mostly)

[steel meadow]

https://youtu.be/RQu4UUfRzgs @autumn jewel

[marble crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DELXfLPAp2w

[warm flint]

ooh

[last tinsel]

Was looking at that before, guess I could try it out to see if it's worth

Oh this is actually 3d Factorio

[dull rose]

Semi unrelated, but SHapez 2 hit 1.0 a few weeks back

[marble crown]

tossing this out as it seems to be something not many people know about

if you have a combinator pointing in to an asteroid collector, and then on the other color one pointing out you can both read the contents of and set the filters on an asteroid collector

this lets you use the 39/44/49/54/64 slots in the collector as more storage, you can then do some simple logic with a hold all on your circle belt to only pull out what you need

you can either have like each collector maintain its own balanced storage or you can link them all up so that its ballanced across all of them

[steep siren]

Playing Satisfactory and thinking about conveyor management in 3d is so fun, I just thought about making crawlspaces for hiding logistics between sections of factories and just the wall conveyor mounts to put quite a few on the ceiling so its easy to walk under them and have hallways ceiling be lined with finished goods so as im using hallways I can spot a bottleneck

[steep siren]

And factory carts can carry things with 1 inventory slot hmmm, I could have like 4 carts be enough for some slow outputs

[steep siren]

Behold chat, I have brought a very American eco conscious highway to this unblemished natural world, soon it'll be ready for a walmart parking lot

[last tinsel]

When I play Satisfactory again I might build all my highways in orbit

[steep siren]

It would be easier, the 1.2 experimental vehicles are really good

They revamped the auto driving functionality to work well and now you dont need to drive every car and it can figure out routes based on invisible paths you put down

You just need to put a vehicle on a track, prompt it to go to these stations and itll figure out a loop.
Also an easy to miss feature is you can set a vehicle to autopilot to coordinates outside of paths and I assume it just bolts in a straight line towards it