Satisfactory/Factorio/Other Logistics Games

[finite flame]

any help

[minor void]

Get 2 belts (so 4 lanes total, and put iron plates, iron gears, green circuts, and yellow belts on it, that will let you make miners, assemblers, pipes, underground belts, and splitters. That's all the stuff you want early game, and you can modify it to make red belts/undergrounds/splitters once you get farther in.

[marble crown]

me: tries to be efficient in design even going so far as to have furnace stack belts downgrade along the length as needed

the people i play with: make a giant non functional amogus space platform

[minor void]

ooh thats actually a good idea, ive never gotten to a scale where that would make much of a difference but i will keep it in mind if i ever make a really big base.

[marble crown]

like this is one of my furnace stack designs and it goes from blue down to red to yellow on the ore side and starts at yellow and goes to red and blue on the output

this is the random non functional spaceplatform they decided to build while people keep complaining we dont have enough launch capacity

that is at minimum 319 rockets including the random cargo it has

i need to stop playing with these people

[last tinsel]

You always need at least one person in a squad fucking around

[marble crown]

theres fucking around and then theres independently causing resource shortages

i've been sick and spending what few spoons i have trying to fix production problems and then they go and do that

[sour portal]

Yeah that's messed up

[blissful merlin]

Oh, that's rough

[marble crown]

It also doesn't help that a few of the new buildings seem to have design features that I can only assume are intentionally annoying

i get hit by friction really really had when i'm in pain and boy does space age seem to have a lot more than basegame

i am terrified to look at their gleba production chain

i'm complaining about this too much arent i

[sour portal]

Nah

[marble crown]

then i shall add right at the start of our venture into space one of them stocked their ship (which they then proceded to not move for days) with over 3000 uranium ammo, which is 120 rockets which i think is more than it took to build and stock my entire mid sized ship that is more or less immune to damage for the starting areas

[marble crown]

random usefull fact for you, you can bring up logistics networks in factorio with L and if you click on an item it will show you where its stored

[minor void]

thats awesome

[marble crown]

I didn't know I wanted this now but I want a factory game where everything is biological instead of mechanical so the factory really must grow

[marble crown]

god i hate the pipe layout for the electromagnetic plant

[steep siren]

Instead of tech trees you find creatures and cross breed them and random mutations occur and managing the RNG to get new useful tech to progress

I know there's one factory builder where you like kidnap weird mutants as resource nodes to build a factory that feeds stuff into a giant skull

[winter brook]

There's one where you build cells/organisms, but I can't remember the name. 🤔

[steep siren]

I have that wishlist Ed and eagerly await for launch

Remembering how ATP works from high school has finally become handy

[winter brook]

What's it called? Don't hold out on me like that, haha.

[steep siren]

It's on my wishlist so it's lost forever to time, Winged recommended it is all I remember

[winter brook]

😭

I checked my wishlist, but I guess I didn't add it.

[steep siren]

I tried looking at discord using the search filters of video game discussion, from me, and "cell" and didn't rip

When it goes on sale i'll know

[sour portal]

@sturdy atlas do you remember this cell automation game, I also haven't been able to find it

But I also remember you posting it

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[sturdy atlas]

you found it!

[winter brook]

Yes! That's the one. Thanks, Sword.

[dull spear]

Kind of a necropost but EM plants can be flipped with V or H (default keybind) and if you connect the pipes of an electromagnetic plant to another electromagnetic plant they'll share fluid, like miners can

You can see this at work in this part of a blue circuit build i made

[marble crown]

Yeah I figured that out like an hour or so later working on a differe...... wait can you do that to thrusters

[marble crown]

alas you cannot, they continue to be annoying for no reason

[dull spear]

Yes but it connects everything to be a SINGLE pipe-network that can only take in one fluid, which means you can only put in one fluid at a time. You'd need to do shenanigans with pumps and circuit conditions to make it pump oxidiser, then fuel, then oxidiser, then fuel

[marble crown]

no i was wondering if you could horizontally flip the thrusters so they would propperly connect

[dull spear]

Ahhh.

[marble crown]

but no the devs must be annoying

[dull spear]

Its definitely weird but I think it makes space platform designs more interesting as a whole

[marble crown]

eh

at somepoint i'm going to sit down and just make a tileable design thats space compact and then i'll just treat it as one entity

my view on it is its a shallow enough obstacle to overcome that its not like a dedicated challenge its just more of one more speed bump and i'd rather just the thruster was slightly larger and i could quickly tile it

like if we still had the old fluid system i could see it being more of a challenge to get them all to connect with good throughput

[dull spear]

maybe. also, man, the ratios you can get with EM plants and foundries are insane

[marble crown]

oh i know

still feel like i need to tune this better

[dull spear]

your design seems fine, i'll take a closer look when i get home?

this build makes about 200 blue circuits a minute - and consumes almost sixty green circuits per second

[marble crown]

i mean it works well i just need to downstep some of the belts and do all that stuff

oh

this is my blue machine

[dull spear]

god damn

nice

[marble crown]

900 a min?

[dull spear]

900 a minute is SCARY

[marble crown]

with quality

one of the people i was playing with kept pasting a giant beaconed pre 2.0 thing for blues so i had to replace it

another one did the walls like this

with one massive oil loop around the base

i made this and used it to wall off chokepoints on the map

[dull spear]

I joined a couple friends's playthrough to hang out a bit and it was basically this

I love how Factorio's multiplayer works out, especially if designs aren't preplanned or anything

[marble crown]

i spent almost all of ereyesterday and half of yesterday putting out the dumpster fire that was gleba, that have over 250,000 spoilage that jamed it and shut down production

[dull spear]

Like in your case its definitely on the more chaotic side but it's fun hopping into a friend's base and seeing "oh they build a better mining setup than i do" and "YOUR ENTIRE 60SPM BASE IS BUILT AROUND STEAM POWER???"

[marble crown]

for me its a lot of they just do stuff and i dont think they realize the degree to which i'm going around fixing everything i nthe background so it works

like if i didnt have strep i would have just fixed gleba as they went along

[dull spear]

yeah. that definitely seems like a difficult situation to be in

[steep siren]

Satisfactory is good for coop if you've got non factory folks ironically. You sit at the base and build and they go off and probably die and when they come back you give them a shiny new toy to run back into the wild and tell them if they spot something to mark it so you can build a line back and forth and they'll be dying to cave spiders while you've got backup gear made and stocked

[dull spear]

Yeah. I think Factorio coop favors having players of similar "skill levels"

[marble crown]

oddly enough in satisfactory i'm the one that just vanishes into the wilds comes back drops off like 12 hardrives and a bunch of special stuff demands a jetpack and a radar tower and leaves again

honestly the main disconnect in my case is i like to do things effectively, one of the players who only plays on the weekends likes to do things reasonably effectively, one of them (just for this game mind you) has the foresight and drive for short term goals of a capitalist, and one of them just is like, incapable of understanding the conceps of costs either material or ups

[dull spear]

Fair enough

[marble crown]

like yeah you can load your ship with 3000 uranium ammo at a cost of ~6k each lds blue circuits and rocket fuel, but do you need to

[dull spear]

I've sent rockets up just for single digit amounts of circuit combinators TBH

[marble crown]

yeah and so have i, while i was building a ship, but they set their to only use unranium ammo, this was for the first few planets not the farther ones, and they set it to stock keep 3k

the amount of
"hey guys you can make X at Y by doing these steps"
"naw i'll just import it"
while either out launching or shipping infrastructure is constantly struggling

and like the last time we played was a space exploration run so i was hoping some of these concepts had stuck around

[marble crown]

beacons

damn my iron plate production is going to have to have 2 output bays

[finite flame]

do you surround things with beacons or surround things with beacons now

i ask because that's how beacons worked in factorio and space exploration respectively and idk what's true of space age

[mighty zinc]

Embrace trains

[finite flame]

i ain't even automated steel yet

getting all the green and red science out the way first

also realising: wow 4 green science inserter assemblers was not enough

especially compared to 4 green science conveyor assemblers

didnt help that i was comically low on gears for a hot minute

[marble crown]

beacons are more or less the same as they were before unfortunatly

[minor void]

beacons now have diminishing returns, so its still the best to have as many beacons as possible, but the difference between 8 and 12 beacons per machine isnt as much

[marble crown]

i continue to mostly ignore them and just build bigger

Space exploration made me really really hate module usage

[dull spear]

You can more reasonably surround beacons with things in 2.0 especially with the quality update, since you can have a legendary beacon with legendary speed modules - you won't have many of those, so you probably will want to have a bunch of buildings around it. It's still optimal to surround buildings with beacons though yeah

[sturdy atlas]

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[finite flame]

finally got to petroleum for the first time

freedom from my shitty spaghetti base will be achieved soon™️

once i have logi bots and construction bots

[minor void]

make sure to upgrade your furnace stacks, # of ore miners, and circut production.

[finite flame]

I’m entirely escaping this base the second i can

Which will be when I’ve made logistic bots and construction bots

Also how do you guys recommend to do steel? Furnace stack feeding another furnace stack? Or some other way?

[marble crown]

stack feeding a stack till you get foundrys then you can cast it directly

[amber spear]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dyson_Sphere_Program/s/cix3CvxFDc

Yaaaay

[marble crown]

the latest in the long line of why do i put up with this shit

someone put in a 5 million logistical request to a planet that can maybe hold 50k and maybe needs 500

[steep siren]

A reason why I like DSP is like there's kind of an end and even if you could continue you don't need to in order to experience anything new.

There's no need to plan for infinitely scalable production lines

[amber spear]

Word

[steep siren]

Like the stop gap techs are useful over planning theorhetically far because they prop up your factory faster to finish the game.

Also a peeve of mines in other games where like something is useful on base difficulty but does flat or linear damage so it doesn't scale well with difficulty scaling so it's just worse than other options that scale exponetially or logmarithmic.

Sometimes factory games can be like that but DSP isn't cause of the ending means the tech that the setup that isn't technically infinitely scalable is still good cause it saves you more time cause the next tech will make things more efficient to complete a run faster

[marble crown]

i mean factorio does have a soft ending with a victory screen and everything, its just the people i'm playing with have no sense of scale or how to size buffers for things properly, so in my scaling up of our starting planet (that is still like 50-70% old tech that needs to be replaced) i designed stuff so i wouldn't have to come back and fix it later if we try to go for a unofficial challenge thing, and unlike my carefully calculated/tested builds they just cranked stuff randomly

spent like 3 days making factory blocks that the throughput limit is how fast you can unload the train (without using quality inserters) and they are all have just over or exactly the number of buildings to do that

can you guess which parts of the base are mine?

[marble crown]

i'm complaining too much again

[minor void]

well this is a good problem to have

be careful with active provider chests folks

[marble crown]

The purple chests of doom you mean

I have found but 2 uses for them on my playthrough so far

Some quality recycling stuff, and spoilage

[finite flame]

finally got plastic done, now only sulphur and sulphuric acid

then it's red board time

and then for the first time ever, chemical science

[marble crown]

[finite flame]

This was the wall for me last time

But I'm confident I can get over it

now that I've learnt the most important lesson from DoshDoshington: if you call your base a starter base, you can make it as crappily as you want

[marble crown]

and this time you can automate cracking and then its the slippery slope of logic

you'll be playing modded and making you own suffering squares in no time

[finite flame]

Also I fell down the factorio time hole for the first time this play through

Started at 10 PM, it’s now 1 AM

[marble crown]

thats how it gets you

do you have a rail book?

if not get or make a rail book

chunk aligned is best

makes setting up mining outposts unbeleavably nice

[finite flame]

I’ll grab a rail book, and a belt balancer book too

[marble crown]

ye!

the two things i never feel bad about grabbing blueprints for

personally i try to not use too many external bluprints because it like feels like i'm just outsorcing playing the game, but ballancers are eldrich and rails are tedius to set up

OH and know there is a difference between a belt balancer and a lane balancer, a lane balancer will balance all lanes of all belts a belt balancer might not so if you're input backs up on half a belt it might not get balanced

[minor void]

I think what I want out of factorio is a multi-player playthorougjh, I barely made it to vulcanus and am working to setup coal liquefaction, and I'm realizing that like, I feel mentally exhausted and a little overwhelmed after every session. And I think being able to coordinate with someone else and split labor would make things feel better.

[marble crown]

multiplayer is the only way i can do factorio

need someone to lean on when i run out of spoons

[marble crown]

i'm actually surprised noone has organized a pnet game yet

[idle stratus]

I mean, we DID have that talk about the ethics of supporting Kovalex.

I'm been playing Cosmoteer, havnt actually gotten around to buying the DLC yet

[finite flame]

blue science is DONE at LAST

[finite flame]

is there a better way to feed this iron train? i have six belts of iron

[marble crown]

oh you poor bab

do you have blue belts?

[finite flame]

only red

[marble crown]

give me a moment to grab a bp

[last tinsel]

Easiest I think would be to make red undergrounds underneath the track and have inserters on that side too

[marble crown]

trying to get a bp to fit in a discord message

ok gotta send as 2 parts

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should look like this when pasted

[finite flame]

oh that setup

i see that one all the time

[marble crown]

ye but the logic makes it extra nice

also slap one of these in you line leading up to the train

[finite flame]

i don't understand logic at all

[marble crown]

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[finite flame]

or train signals

[marble crown]

train signals are easy

watch doshington's video on it

[finite flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG4oD4iGVoY

[marble crown]

ye

[finite flame]

just as i grabbed it you said that

[marble crown]

the tl;dr

the space between two signals is a block

[finite flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWLKA5zRrQ0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etxV4pqVRm8 also

[marble crown]

the game will enforce one automatic train per block

a normal signal tells the train if the block ahead is full or not

a chain signal copies the signal infront of it in the direction the train wants to go

so chain signals are a way to say dont enter this space till you can get alll the way out

[finite flame]

alright

i'll set up that tomorrow

I need to grab a coal patch before I do anything big

I've grabbed a big iron patch now, at least

[last tinsel]

I watched Dosh's videos on that and that explains it significantly better

Granted I might have fallen asleep during it

[finite flame]

i've got the title screen music stuck in my head now

[last tinsel]

I paid for the whole train, I'm going to use the whole train

[marble crown]

when in doubt, normal signals for non intersection and when it comes to intersections chain in rail out

[finite flame]

does this work for unloading also?

[marble crown]

for unloading flip all the inserters around and in the inserter menu change the conditional to the other type

[finite flame]

i also need to find a better way to set up my split-off belts because i am not satisfied with how much ore goes on some belts (and plates also)

that is what is causing me to struggle with gear production

[marble crown]

you can shift right click to copy settings and shift left click to paste them btw

[finite flame]

yeah

i finally figured that out

[marble crown]

so basically what the logic in that does it it only lets something load/unload if its on the correct side of the average of all the chests

helps if you have imbalanced belts/draw

[finite flame]

i see

anyway

goodnight

it's midnight

[marble crown]

o

nini

[finite flame]

i did it again

[finite flame]

i need some advice on how to do advanced oil processing, it's hurting my brain

and i dread the answer because i know it involves circuits

[marble crown]

it does involve circuits but they are very very simple

let me build a setup real quick and show you

so i tend to do somthing like this

the exact placements vary from run to run

the combinators from bottom to top are this

and the pumps are just check is not equal 0

wait

ignore that last one for a moment

should be this

you can make it simpler by just having the pumps wired directly to the tank and doing if contents >20k pump, but that will never stop if your demands stop and will burn through your richness

the only tricky part is making sure the pumps only lead towards the stuff for cracking and making sure the solid fuel from pet gas gets used with priority so it can clear a pet gas blockage

[finite flame]

alright

[finite flame]

does this mean change it to a multiply instead of a divide

[finite flame]

finally got my iron train up and

immediately jumped to 45 SPM

[marble crown]

No, that stays the same, just the greater/lesser than or equal to on the inverters needs to be changed

[finite flame]

oh

finally got my tank, now i can start blasting away at any biters near my borders

thank god for flamethrowers

[marble crown]

In essence what the logic does is get the average number of items in each chest (which is why the combinatornremains the same for loading and unloading)

when it unloads a train only chests that are at the average or higher are allowed to unload which prioritizes chests that are still being filled from the train and then works to maximize the amount of empty space in each chest so the next train can be unloaded faster

when it's loading trains only chests at or below the average can be filled which maximizes the amount of time every inserted can be filling a train at max speed

[last tinsel]

Couldn't this also be handled through belt balancers?

[marble crown]

Yes and no

Under ideal conditions yes but if you have a bottleneck or are limited in space it's possible to have a slight bias in how a train is unloaded and have it ripple over a few hours and end up dropping your throughput even lower

Also since logic wire is free now if you're running a buffered train stop anyway the cost of this is much less than a proper balancer

Just one arithmetic combinator

[finite flame]

power crisis also averted with the help of Far Too Many God Damn Steam Engines To Be Used This Far In

i promise i'll set up nuclear for my new base :(

[marble crown]

For the memes I have a micro base powered by burning wood

[last tinsel]

Wire is free?

[finite flame]

yeah

[marble crown]

Yep

[finite flame]

it is now

[marble crown]

It's a 2.0 change

[last tinsel]

Oh thank god

I didn't mess with them because I wasn't good with the game and didn't want to waste resources making wire for testing

[marble crown]

Red green and making copper connections all have buttons now you don't need items for it

[last tinsel]

How dare disconnecting wire not give the wire back

This might be the change that moves Factorio up my to play list to next

[finite flame]

well now that i have a silly amount of iron and am soon to have a silly amount of coal

i think it's time i bump up from two steel stacks to more

[marble crown]

I gunna go nini now

[finite flame]

note to self: in future when you get steel capture better ore patches sooner rather than later

[last tinsel]

When I get back into Factorio I am wondering if I should make a reasonably well designed base with sectors for crafting various related materials in one area or just put literally every resource on a train

Copper? Train. Steel? Train. Green Circuits? Train. Red Circuits? Different Train. Low Density Structure? Train.

[finite flame]

the day has been saved

thank god i automated some solid fuel

[finite flame]

just realised i never set the correct values on the artih combinators

they were all on divide

not greater than or less than

[finite flame]

coal and iron hooked up and sorted out

now to do the same for copper and stone… tomorrow

[marble crown]

you ever log in to an automation game to see the people you're playing with have built another monstrosity of a waste of resources and just decide to be done?

[finite flame]

@marble crown i've done something wrong and my coal stop won't unload

please help

the coal just sits in the chests

[marble crown]

show me the inserter menu for it

and a screenshot of the whole stop while in alt mode

@finite flame

[finite flame]

k

@marble crown

[marble crown]

can i see one of the inserters with the red light on it

OH

that needs to be a divide not a multiply for one

[finite flame]

and now it's stopped unloading

[marble crown]

on the inserters with the red lights you may need to click this buton

make sure its set to a red asterisk ≥ i

[finite flame]

ok

oh yeah it's

completely blank

[marble crown]

also disconnect the green whire from the combinator

[marble crown]

thats not the right inserter then

[finite flame]

wait yeah my bad

immediately fixed

[marble crown]

yeah set the drop down to ≥

and make sure the combinator is a divide or you'll get weird behavior

[finite flame]

how do i disconnect wires

[marble crown]

same way you apply them

[finite flame]

...i picked up the whole combinator arghhh

[marble crown]

ok so

rip up all the outer inserters cus you have tons of wires you shouldnt have

[finite flame]

done

[marble crown]

have one network that has all the chests and leads into the combinator

on red

then wire all the outer inserters togeather on red and attach it to the output of the combinator

then wire one of the inserters to its chest on green and set it up in that menu

then do ctrl+c and select the chest and the inserter and then ctrl+v ovver the rest of the chests and inserters, it should copy over the greenwire and the settings

[finite flame]

like this?

[marble crown]

yes

whole thing should more or less be like this

[finite flame]

alright, then what should the chests look like?

just read contents?

[marble crown]

yeah

[finite flame]

and the combinator should look like this?

[marble crown]

yep

and if you evver use a diferent size station the number is just the number of chests

[finite flame]

🫡

thank you very much negative

[marble crown]

[finite flame]

there, my outposts are now behaving

time to craft some steel furnii and capture a stone and copper patch

[dull spear]

this dlc has me like

[finite flame]

Five. Hundred. Prod mods.

[marble crown]

speed modules my belothed

[finite flame]

bwuh

i still gotta add the balancing method

but i'm happy w ith this for a first attempt

[marble crown]

[finite flame]

final question for this, how do i output the light heavy and petroleum

this is what i have

petroleum goes to a solid fuel maker, with buffer chests
light oil goes to a petroleum maker which routes back into the petroleum tank
heavy oil goes to a light oil maker which routes back in to the refinery light oil out

[marble crown]

for actual use, from anything prior to the pumps

[finite flame]

with the combinators set up as you shown, with a lamp attached to show whats on

[marble crown]

so it could be from the tanks could be from the pipes coming out of the refinerys could be from the return lines crom the cracking plants

[finite flame]

something like this?

[marble crown]

yeah that would work fine

[finite flame]

alright

cool

[marble crown]

and you may or may not need more of the cracking plants basically if you ever run out of something look at what the refinerys are full of and build more cracking for that fluid

[finite flame]

alright

[finite flame]

entire thing's backed up on petroleum arghhh

[marble crown]

wait wait

what are the other fluids at

[finite flame]

empty

[marble crown]

oof

[finite flame]

the other two tanks are empty

[marble crown]

just to be sure can i see your combinators?

actualy quicker to answer question, are you using the other fluids for anything yet?

[finite flame]

yes, im using heavy for lube and light oil for solid fuel and then rocket fuel

im thinking i should change to petroleum for solid fuel

[marble crown]

light oil should be your mainline for rocket fuel

[finite flame]

right

[marble crown]

have you set up plastic and sulfer yet?

[finite flame]

yes

i'd have to for blue science anywho

the rest of my base isnt operating rn because there's no reason for it to

but im gonna start mass producing concrete and bots

for my new base

[marble crown]

your light oil combinator is set up wrong

[finite flame]

agh

[marble crown]

and your pet gas

anything with a 20k needs to be a >

[finite flame]

alright

[marble crown]

so you've been dumping all your light oil

[finite flame]

PAIN

[marble crown]

its an easy fix

[finite flame]

yeah i just fixed it

[marble crown]

and you can either wait for/build more petgas solid fuel things or just dump the tank for it

[finite flame]

i dumped the tank, and i'll build some more petroleum solid fuel

aaaand i wired up the petroleum gas pump

that explains a lot

now it's actually making solid fuel from petroleum

[marble crown]

it should only do that if you have over20k petroleum and less than 5k of either light or heavy oil

[finite flame]

alright yeah

fixed it

[marble crown]

[finite flame]

gonna make some more heavy cracking

actually i think i should make more refining

[marble crown]

[finite flame]

at least im now mass producing rocket fuel

[marble crown]

you end up needing a lot of it

at least it isnt as bad as space exploration in that reguard

[finite flame]

well that's rocket fuel plastic and lube sorted

now to capture a stone mine and then i wont need any more mines for this base

then i can just focus on stockpiling materials for the new base

CLIFF EXPLOSIVES ARE LOCKED BEHIND SPACE?

evil

evil evil

[marble crown]

ye

they really want people to use clifs as natural walls for whatever reason

the person who set up the run i was doing more or less turned them off for nauvis

[finite flame]

mm

well whatever

explosives time

[minor void]

cliffs genereate in much more managble ways now which is nice

large predictable lines rather than a scatter of of little chunks.

[finite flame]

Yeah I had noticed that

They really want you to use them like walls huh

also, question for further base defence when the behemoths show up: laser turrets complimented by flamethrowers and a bot network?

Because that’s my thinking for the next base

[marble crown]

i'm a crazy person, i go out to choke points on the map and set up rail fed modules with gun laser flamethrower and tesla

but yes flame throwers and laser turrets would hypothetically work

flame throwers are actually really really strong

[finite flame]

yeah ik lol they're my only form of defence

for all my outposts

and my base

[finite flame]

my robot army is ever growing. very beautiful. very powerful.

[finite flame]

I think I may restart my run tbh

I can do so much better and make the transition to a new base so much better now that I know what I'm doing

[finite flame]

much better

only took an hour 🥹

[dull spear]

Finally got my Gleba base working. I just need to improve jellynut output and it'll be perfectly fine

I had to make a dedicated runner to export science from the planet. This might be the closest margins I've built on a space platform - the thing when active just barely makes enough electricity to keep up with demand.

[finite flame]

@marble crown the unloaders being weird agaaain

sometimes even though there's ore in the chest it refuses to put it on the belt

[marble crown]

Like all of them refuse or just a few?

[finite flame]

a few

[marble crown]

Like a handfull or like an entire cars worth?

if its an entire car, does that car empty before the others when a train stops?

so some quick troubleshooting tips, check the chests for items that shouldnt be ther and make sure some of them arent automation restricted, check if some chest have wildly diferent numbers than the rest (if they do it not working is probably intended and its trying to self balance)

[finite flame]

right

[marble crown]

ahh yeah thats working as intended

[finite flame]

gotcha

[marble crown]

if you stick a balancer on the outputs that behaviour will actually lead to the chest rebalanceing and the train getting evenly unloaded

let me see if i have a 6:6

here

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

6:6 and i believe its a lane balancer

[finite flame]

dw i got a belt book

will slap one on now

[marble crown]

[finite flame]

finally everything i want automated is automated

[finite flame]

bots are alive, now time to rub some neurons together on how to do utility and production science

[sturdy atlas]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2750000/view/4476110102203468908?l=english

@steel meadow @near thistle playtesters wanted

[steel meadow]

oooh, looks neat!

[near thistle]

Oh yeah I remember seeing the trailer for this

[steel meadow]

[winter brook]

What black sorcery is this?!

[last tinsel]

Satisfactory building rules

Can only build on grid on Concrete

[marble crown]

our lord and savior https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CVeY-9zmUM

[steep siren]

I love satisfactory but I absolutely hate the game before coal. Maybe a bit before cause they made biofuel generators more automated.

No foundation to start, the worst

[last tinsel]

The biofuel automation is so good

It's making me delay coal automation

[marble crown]

did not go as i expected, much less shenanigans and i expected him to interact with quality more

[mighty zinc]

Is the ficsmas stuff permanent on your account or just that save

[dull spear]

https://factorio.com/galaxy/Stone I: Eta2-7.B3X2/planets

https://tenor.com/view/renuu-thanos-rest-peaceful-gif-20831938

[sturdy atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7EZGsJsLYE

[plain kernel]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2764460/Sandustry/

Steam

Sandustry

Sandustry is a mining and automation game with pixel-based physics. Falling sandEverything in the game is part of a falling sand style simulation and it's up to you to curb the chaos.MiningUse various tools and weapons to mine and dig deeper and deeper for sand and raw materials.Base-buildingSetup your base and build a logistics network for tran...

Release Date

To be announced

▶ Play video

[plain kernel]

I tried the demo for this. It was pretty cool but also kinda a nightmare

Stuff gets everywhere to easily and you can't pass through most objects and all the tiny crevices filling up with stuff I can't reach now really bothers my autism

Neat exploration and particle interactions tho

[sour portal]

I'm enjoying it

It's chaotic but that make it feel less solved

[sour portal]

I am definitely looking forward to how they develop it

I also think that right now the demo doesn't give us a lot of space to play around with build chains

[plain kernel]

Yeah, or you have to build them high up in the air. And that's frustrating with the jetpack speed being so slow, even at max upgrades

[sour portal]

The dev is super responsive on the Discord so you could hop in there and give that feedback

I just walked in there and helped convince him to allow phasing through conveyors

[vivid plover]

did they change the range of roboports or am i just stupid

[marble crown]

they changed the range of the big poles iirc

[vivid plover]

oh

so the problem is with the measuring stick i used

gotcha

[marble crown]

yeah iirc they upped the range on them so you can chunk align them and they will connect

[sour portal]

Okay, with phasing I don't think this is really an issue anymore cause you don't have to build your factory with passageways or go all the way around

Also he literally next day patched in phasing so that's a maximally responsive dev lol

[vivid plover]

...I cant figure this out,i am just gonna go back to main bus

[sturdy atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7EZGsJsLYE

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2750000/view/562489902889959871?l=english

[vivid plover]

ok,this

...this isnt gonna work for the buses that arent a singular material i feel

[mighty zinc]

inserters only on one side, brave

[vivid plover]

wym

[mighty zinc]

if you pull from both sides the train will get moving so much sooner

and since you're buffering the output in chests, it gives a much more consistent throughput

[vivid plover]

ah

[winter brook]

If you're doing city-block-ish rail systems, I'll recommend the Brian's Trains blueprint set: https://www.factorio.school/view/-LaIPNgh8f16V8EwXXpW Read the documentation, it's really thorough and will help avoid some pitfalls.

That is, unless developing all the train automation is the fun part for you.

[vivid plover]

I gave up on figuring out cityblocks and decided to go back to the basic main bus

[winter brook]

Fair enough. Those blueprints can still be handy for setting up rail systems for importing resources from remote mines, too, if you want help with that part.

You'd probably just want to turn off the grid snapping in the blueprints, but maybe not.

[finite flame]

tried satisfactory again

almost finished an actual real base with foundations and levels for once

actually listening to AVA and using verticality is helping

[steep siren]

Ladders and jetpack are your friend

I do what is probably a bad idea and build modular bass that scale by building upwards

So I have. A building that's just plates

[dull rose]

Plateory.

[steep siren]

I need so many reinforces plates

[dusty glade]

Tier 2 Belts my beloathed

[dull rose]

My brain instatnyl went to "Oh hey, i can help with that!" Pause, consider "...No, no i cannot help with that"

[vivid plover]

just so you know

this is what my diseased mind envisioned from your suggestion

[mighty zinc]

That's efficiency yes :v

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2737259470

Under dynamic stations you can find a way to stack it thinner but won't really have space for it in your current setup, also has some basic combinator automation

[vivid plover]

i am really bad at picking locations

my main bus goes straight into a oil field and then into water

[mighty zinc]

Welcome to why I stopped using main busses and started doing train based depots that dynamically sent resources around as one manufacturing plant was getting low

[vivid plover]

how

[mighty zinc]

I used LTN to make it less painful to do but you can also do it manually https://mods.factorio.com/mod/LogisticTrainNetwork

without the mod you wanna make it so that the station only turns on when the chests have below X amount of items

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWerA0iVNCE haven't touched factorio in years so no clue about the changes of trains 2.0 but this seems like a competent enough tutorial on how to do it vanilla+having blueprints

So like say you're making green circuits, you'd make 3 stations, one for requesting copper cable(realistically copper plates and making the cable at where you need them but still), and one requesting iron. With the last one outputting green circuits to the system

[winter brook]

LTN is a beautiful thing

Once you figure it out

[mighty zinc]

honestly looking at that video it doesn't seem like it's that needed anymore

[finite flame]

conveyor mk2s need r-plating

i die

[dusty glade]

Use mk2s as rarely as possible, split em into double Mk1 belts

And speedrun steel for mk3s

[finite flame]

phase 1 done

i still need to set up rotors and modular frames

[vivid plover]

uh

how do i fix this

[marble crown]

pumps

basically 2.0 changed the way pipes work, best way to think of it now is they have infinite throughput in sections but the sections can only get so big and then you have to put a pump and have another section

[vivid plover]

Oooooh

[marble crown]

its what the pipeline extent number is counting on the right

[sour portal]

I have been really getting into Shapez

I thought a game about making shapes into other shapes would get old fast but the scale is kind of addicting and the simplicity actually helps keep you looping through things

You get your upgrades and new tools by shipping different shapes to the hub and so you're just shipping and then unlocking and then making new complexes and then reworking old ones to be faster

Ends up pretty massive

[marble crown]

but why though

[idle stratus]

If the common coal backs up, the mine stops producing uncommon+rare coal. I dont have a burner tower, so looping burner inserters are the best I have.

[marble crown]

ok so 2 things, 1 you can set up a really simple logic condition for that, and 2 i hope you've considered how much extra coal you're burning for that

[idle stratus]

Consuming the extra coal is the point. I also have an inserter taking common coal off the line and putting it into a box, but I run out of box space.

[marble crown]

no i mean like you're going to have to make a lot more coal mines

[idle stratus]

I'm running off a single rare miner here.

which I move when it runs out.

[marble crown]

ohhhh thats just coal for your plastics i see, thought that was just the end of a coal bus for a base

[idle stratus]

This particular, quality focused sub-base isnt doing military science, and was made post electric furnaces (for more quality steps) so plastics is the only thing that needs coal.

...though if I wanted to make rare grenades or something, I've got the box of rare coal.

[idle stratus]

For reasons, I'm not going to be unlocking electric miners anytime soon. and if I have to automate coaling the miners and smelters, I might as well go completely burner.

[sturdy atlas]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3320980/MoteMancer/ demo

Steam

MoteMancer

MoteMancer is a fantasy automation game set across six overlapping Elemental planes. Design elegant systems on a Hex Grid, combining ingredients, structures, and magic to reshape the world through alchemical insight.

Unique Tools
Grow Mana Roots and Mana Leaves to collect power from the sun. Weave Streamways to move ingredients across your bas…

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

[sturdy atlas]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1817800/view/526468444896364465?l=english

[vivid plover]

theres so much dead space and i didnt even notice

[marble crown]

a nice and organized base

[vivid plover]

its pretty and doesnt do anything

because i cant figure out where to put fluid

amd alsi because there isnt a single rail signal theer

[marble crown]

but rail signals arent that complicated

[vivid plover]

i awtchged like 6 tutorials

still dont get it

[marble crown]

crash course on rail signals: the space between two signals is called a block

a normal rail signal wont let a train past it if theres a train in the block between the signal in question and the next signal

a chain signal wont let a train enter the block ahead of it unless there is a path from that block to an open normal train signal that is clear of trains

in other words, each block is 1 train at a time, chain signals you put at the start and the middle bits of intersection, normal signals you put at the ends of intersections and everywhere else

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG4oD4iGVoY

genuinly the only good turorial i've seen for trains

[vivid plover]

i followed that

my trains didnt leave the base

[marble crown]

i'd have to see the stuff to tell why, but as usual with this kind of thing its probably one missing signal somewhere

[idle stratus]

To get a feel for your signals, place a wagon on the tracks and look for the signals that turn red.

If a signal is flashing all three colors, it means that it isnt doing anything, which generally means something was placed wrong.

[vivid plover]

uh

...any clues why the train on oil gathering cant pathfind to oil unloading?

[marble crown]

are these left or right hand drive trains? (if the train is heading up is it on the left or the right of the double tracks)

[vivid plover]

uuuh

its...going left...?

i tought that was random?:

[marble crown]

its up to user choice

hold on

do your trains/signals look like the left side or the right side

[vivid plover]

no signals

[marble crown]

ah

thats why

so basically the train has to pass though the space its in now

but theres a train there (itself) so the pathfinding says its not allowed to move

[vivid plover]

oh

thats

weird

[crimson surge]

The long and short of it is that a train will not enter the block unless it can guarantee it will be the only train in the block. Now, a train can move through a block containing itself, which is why closed loops with no signals still work.

I'm pretty sure, though, that negativenull is wrong and trains cannot block themselves if asked to re-enter a block they're already still in.

More likely, a lack of regularly placed signals is causing large chunks of your rail network to be reserved by a train sitting at a stop that isn't in its own block.

[vivid plover]

no like

there are zero signals on this because i cant figure then out

....actually hold on i might have missed one or two when i uprooted then

[crimson surge]

Okay, so you're living dangerously by having none of your network be in a block.

Then it probably is loose signals.

[marble crown]

oh yeah they cant block themselves can they, i haven't messed with non signaled stuff in a while

[vivid plover]

I mean

There's nothing to read so I don't know how they would block themselves

[marble crown]

is the train saying no path?

[vivid plover]

cool i found the culpitrts

those are the only signals in the network

[crimson surge]

Let me try and give a quick lowdown on signals, though:

A block is any section of rail which is enclosed by signals on all sides (wherever they are). If a section of rail does not have a signal on at least one side of the track, the block will just keep going until it finds one and counts that as part of the block. You can create blocks that lead into themselves, as the way blocks partition are very literal minded.

Trains will only enter blocks with a signal on their right (from the perspective of the train). If you have train block visualization on (which you should whenever you mess with signals), it will denote this with an arrow. In (most) cases a signal can be on both sides of a track unless something blocks it from being placed, if this is done on the exact same part of the track, this makes it bi-directional. However, misaligned bi-directional signals could instead create a block that cannot be entered, or cannot be left, so you have to take care with them. Note that, as above, blocks are created by rail signals on either side of the track, as the block logic does not really care about direction in or out, your trains do, and you must be the one to make sure that the block flows in the right direction.

A train will only enter the block if it is empty- This is not the same thing as only entering the block if it can fit, mind you, trains do not care if they fit, only that they can enter. You have to be the one that makes sure they'll fit, as any part of a train in a block reserves that block, meaning that a train that's too large for a block reserves the block it just entered and the block it hasn't left.

Chain signals are special signals, and do not function like regular signals. A train that wants to enter a block through a chain signal cannot enter unless it can also enter the block after it (or more precisely, the next block closer to it's destination). If this next block is only entered through a chain signal, then it cannot enter that block unless it can enter the next, up until there's a block that can be entered with a regular rail signal. This allows you to create blocks that trains are nearly guaranteed to not stop in, as long as it can still find a way to a normal rail signal at the other end.

[idle stratus]

TLDR: Never double back a train back on the same rail in the other direction. If there is only 1 train on a track, slap a second locomotive to pull the train in the other direction- otherwise, always have separate inbound and outbound lanes.

[crimson surge]

The quickest and dirtiest way to signal, though inefficient:

Pick which side your trains will drive on with your main rails, always on the left (from their perspective) or always on the right (again, from the train's). Your signals should create arrows on the train block visualizer that follow these directions.

Anywhere there's a station, rail signal in where it enters, rail signal out where it leaves, to separate it from the main line.

Anywhere there's an intersection, chain signal where trains enter, rail signal where they leave it.

Horrendously inefficient? Yes, but your trains won't crash into each other.

More efficient rail systems just involve a lot more signals to break up the main rails into sections to fit more trains along that direction and let trains use intersections more effectively.

But starting with just that is enough to avoid train loss accidents.

[vivid plover]

i appreciate the sentiment but i have been trying to figure this out for like

...i want to say 3 years?

its not happening

my brain is too smooth

anyway thanks for helping me fix this

[crimson surge]

Is there a particular place you get stuck with, or is it just all of it?

[vivid plover]

In general,yes

[crimson surge]

Tbh I'm a little surprised that someone can get so far into factorio and not get train signals, but being entirely fair, 99% of it is lifted from an entirely different genre of game.

[idle stratus]

Single tracking is probably the way to go, then. Rail from the mine to the factory, single train, locomotive on both ends. If the track HAS to cross another, use like 8 signals (left and right on each side of the intersection, for both rails)

[crimson surge]

(It's Trade Tycoon and every game like it)

TBH I would probably just say don't use massive connected rail networks and just create a bunch of individual lines for specific trains

lots of trains running on the same track without signals WILL eventually crash into each other

[vivid plover]

i am not very smart

i am however very stubborn

[crimson surge]

yeah it's messy or whatever but at a certain point the question is

do you want a base that works for you, or a base that looks pretty on r/factorio

....I also noticed you're trying to create a rail network when you haven't finished enclosing your future base area

interconnected rail networks need a LOT of space to work and it is not a quick process to finish setting them up.

[vivid plover]

this is like

the fifth redesign of the base tbh

heres the mess in it's full

[marble crown]

are you playing vanilla or space age?

[vivid plover]

SA

altough i

havent managed to go off planet yet

[winter brook]

TBH the other option for managing rail signals is to find a blueprint set that just has them all set up already

Which can save a lot of work even if you grok how signals work

You sacrifice some flexibility, but then don't have to deal with keeping dedicated rails separate or crashing trains

[idle stratus]

I mean, I didnt really understand rails (beyond basic double headers) until I sat down on a new file and decided to make an entirely rail-block base. Which meant coming up with a city block rail grid design. Ended up needing to "upgrade" my layout twice during the playthrough, but I eventially got it in a place I was almost happy with.

Then 2.0 changed rails, and I havnt been back to that save. :/

[vivid plover]

so uh

as of Space age,turret creeping dont work no more

what do i do to cler the nests around the base

[idle stratus]

What do you mean it doesnt work?

Backline with ammo to give to a save place to heal up, sacrificial turret to distract the worms, midline to start taking out nests, frontline to take worms and back nests, advanced lines to finish off the nest.

If you're poor, just use the backline turrets and pick off nests with your personal weapon, dipping back to the backline to lose the swarm of biters on you.

You do have heavy armor, right?

[vivid plover]

Dont nests make it impossible to build nearby the now?

[marble crown]

what i found best was armor full of personal lasers in a tank with a couple of lasers, shields, and a couple exoframes, circle the nests and let the lasers do the most of the work

[idle stratus]

Not in the last update I saw. if they did, it would have been to prevent the "wall every 3 meters to block the nest spawn points" strat, so the lockout would only be to that space.

[mighty zinc]

sounds like a mod you have installed

[vivid plover]

That is correct

Apparently AAI vehicles doesn't let you build near biters and you can't turn it off

[mighty zinc]

I feel like I remember being able to turn it off

the option might be in one of the other dependencies

[sour portal]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/a-factory-sim-in-which-every-pixel-has-physics-is-the-latest-from-manor-lords-publishers-hooded-horse

Sandustry's got a full blown publisher now which is great

[marble crown]

behold my solar aquilo cargo platform

[gaunt spire]

aww

been a month since the last post

[dusk ice]

just realised this place existed

factorio image dump incoming

these are all a little outdated but this is basically the state of my playthrough right now

making 90spm on vulcanus, with a 60spm nauvis base that has been repurposed to just make materials for building the Real Base™

building it based on a variable-width cell structure that looks like this, with 1-1 generic smart trains that are automatically allocated routes as required

first module is a nuclear power plant, currently working on a big ass oil refinery

also we don't talk about this

[dusk ice]

beginnings of the real base™

[finite flame]

not even concrete yet alone reinforced
how could you ever consider this your real base SMH...

[dusk ice]

that is reinforced concrete???

[finite flame]

I zoomed in the second you sent that

nevermind this base is real im dummy

i thought it was stone bricks 😭

[dusk ice]

the manufacturing areas have refined, stations have regular concrete, and train tracks have stone

[finite flame]

regardless your mastery of trains is beyond me and thus i bow to you

god trains make my head hurt

circuits are worse

[dusk ice]

woe, 1-1 smart train network upon thee

[deft arrow]

https://youtu.be/DG4oD4iGVoY

[deft arrow]

https://youtu.be/kWLKA5zRrQ0

Knowledge be upon thee

[dusk ice]

factorio circuits are one of those things where you come back to it a month later and what you made might as well have been dropped off by aliens

[marble crown]

True

Also the thing that makes circuits the most complicated (for me at least) is everything has an implicit value of 0 at all times

There is no null

But the true and honest way to deal with trains

Rail signals mean don't pass this point if there's another train before the next signal

Chain signals say don't pass this point unless you can get all the way past the next non chain signal without hitting another train

[dusk ice]

for me its just that they are kind of opaque to lint and debug

regular signal goes before a block that can fit a train, chain signal goes before a block that can't

and you break your junctions up so that every time tracks cross its on its own separate block

[marble crown]

oh Alex have you seen the suffering square?

spoilers for space exploration mod

[dusk ice]

yeah I have seen a few arcosphere designs

it seems like a fun challenge

[marble crown]

i needed to put more of the 4:4 ones but then this has so much through put and is deadlock proof but does have some overhead

I love that design, wanted to do it a non traditional way

[dusk ice]

it seems like everyone does it a bit differently

I doubt space exploration is something I will ever try

[marble crown]

Most of the setups I've seen are just variants on if one of the standard patterns get us closer to balance run it

The suffering square™️ matches up the standard folds in such a way you put 2 of one type in and get 2 of another type out

[dusk ice]

I'm not much of a circuit knower but my smart trains work and thats good enough for me

with the new parameterisation I could cut a few of the combinators but I don't mind having them

I designed some of it pre-2.0

[marble crown]

i made (and once even understood) this

[dusk ice]

the silly device

[deft arrow]

Eldritch runes

[marble crown]

it would give an assembler exact inputs and keep a stocklevel of the output

[dusk ice]

you don't need combinators to do that

[marble crown]

not anymore

this was pre 1.0

[dusk ice]

icic

[marble crown]

was going to be part of how i did arco spheres as they are a pain to get so you dont want them idleing in machines

[dusk ice]

makes sense

space age definitely has plenty of cases for circuits with its various complex logistical challenges, which I think is fun

you can solve some of the planet stuff in a bunch of different ways

[marble crown]

the fuin part is going back over all the builds everyone else did and making sure if the power goes out they dont request a billion of everything

[dusk ice]

lol you play factorio with some strange people

[marble crown]

they all have the energy of "fuckit we'll do it live" while i scramble behind them fixing everything

last time i played i got strep so bad i was unable to play factorio and everything ground to a halt

like more than one planet just entierly shut down

[dusk ice]

[marble crown]

all because i wanted a pizza because fixing all the stuff was stressing me out a little

[gaunt spire]

not a big fan

[dusk ice]

correct that is not a fan its a road

[gaunt spire]

\

ok i like this though

[steep siren]

I can't believe im saying this, but I need highways

As much as I love scenery some of the nodes are far and the natural paths are super twisty

Like a 100m of just zig zag is pain

I'm going to build a long ramp

[gaunt spire]

highways are peak, yea

luckily movement is so good in this game

[gaunt spire]

same game

[steep siren]

Are vehicles reliable in Satisfactory,

Last I played vehicles would glitch out and get stuck or disappear so they were less reliable than conveyors

Especially if multiple trucks crossed paths

It'd be neat to have a truck highway transporting mass goods like iron ore

[gaunt spire]

i imagine they are

[dull rose]

T R A I N S

Tbh, vehicles aways seemed like too much work for the effort

but Trains are amazing

and you can do a lot with them

My world(s) end up built around train infasturcute, becuase it's just so convinent

[gaunt spire]

its also hellish making train stations

[steep siren]

Trains have always been amazing but they're later than id like

By the time I have trains I have many factories that run on trucks or super long conveyors

[dull rose]

I don't actually think they're hellish. They're a bit chunky on space, but other than that...

[dull rose]

Ahhh, I tend to focus on getting trains online and building around that ASAP, since it solves multiple problems

And is basically infinitely scalable

[steep siren]

Well that's like hours of gameplay where you have to go without train

And several tiers

[dull rose]

Mm, I just find that they unlock fast enough that I don't really need to worry before then

[gaunt spire]

I mean like, I have 0 fucking clue how they work

[dusk ice]

wanted to just build a quick depot, ended up having to mostly redo my provider stations and reworked the train schedules a bit

put some resource monitors and a nuclear fuel gauge on there

(red numbers are negative, green are positive)

it represents how many trains worth of a resource there are in the station buffer chests in total

or, rather, how satisfied the network is, because it's providers minus requesters

[dull rose]

Trains?

They aren't too bad to get going with some practice

Signaling is the hard bit, but you only need signals on a multi train network

You can just run a train line from point a to point b, slap engines on both sides, and that works

I don't, personally, recommend that, it's better to build a full network imho

But that does increase the initial resource burden (since you need to run twice the track)

The simple version of how it works is you have Block Signals and Path signals

[steep siren]

How fast are you unlocking them because you have to do 6 tiers out of like the 9 tiers that exist before you get trains

[dull rose]

They unlock early t5 now

[steep siren]

Huh is T5 no longer the truck

[dull rose]

Block Signals are used to define a "Block" of track. Block as in Block of space, not block as in stop.

A block runs from one signal to another. So if you stick a block signal in the middle of a line of track, it splits it into two blocks.

One train can be in one block at a time.

Path signals are used for intersections, anywhere where tracks need to cross each other.

Path signals let multiple trains pass through the same block at the same time as long as they won't collide

In practice what this means is you use block signals everywhere, and whenever you build an intersection, you use path signals on the entries to the intersection, and block signals on the exits

There's advanced stuff you can do with programming train schedules so they won't leave a station until they fill up/are empty

And some tricks with large storage containers to increase your throughput

Some people like running really big trains, personally I prefer to run lots of small trains- 1 engine to two-three carriages

This is just because multiple smaller trains are easier to manage, hit full speed faster (and slow down faster) meaning they spend more time going fast, and are less likely to cause traffic jams on the network

[gaunt spire]

mmm

[dull rose]

I know this sounds like a lot

And written on paper it looks like

But in practice it's pretty simple

[gaunt spire]

no clue if this is right

its working!

[steep siren]

I love trains, especially love how in Satisfactory if you have a central hub complex you can see it all in action

Get a good view of like all the trains and trucks going in and out

[gaunt spire]

im not sure what my first factory should be for

[steep siren]

Factorio is cool but there's something extra about 3d and "seeing it" live

Also building skyscrapers

I just build like skyscrapers in a vague central hub area that often do one thing like smelt ore or make one component each building and build up as needed

[gaunt spire]

i currently have a giant train / storage unit

[gaunt spire]

storage

[steep siren]

Wow I thought that was the inside of an actual render of a building

Lighting in this game is so peak

And yet it's like, 20GB it's wild the visual optimization involved.

[gaunt spire]

worst part is it runs at a consistent 130 fps even with high lumen and lots of high grade stuff

this scares me tbh

[steep siren]

Damn they didn't compromise on the lighting

The walls looked real to me which is why

Like a freshly painted modern office interior with the 10k LEDs

[gaunt spire]

yeah its amazing

[steep siren]

I guess ill install Satisfactory, despite my previous gripes maybe release fixed them

Last I played with patch 8

[gaunt spire]

1.1 is amazing, tbh, I don’t even play as intended and just cheat so I can build huge factories

Vehicles… I’m not sure how they perform yet

[steep siren]

Oh I play as intended from coal onwards

[gaunt spire]

I skipped to endgame so I can use drones

I want to have drones for certain transportations like my super high sky bases

[dull rose]

Drones are the onyl vehicle i use other than trains

i built an entire Ion fuel plant just to feed my droines

zoomy.

My entire basei s powered off Rocket Fuel

but the process of making that makes a buuuuunch of compacted coal.

...and there's lots of spare oil around, so i can upcycle that into Turbo, into more rocekt fuel, (THe byproducts of which are fed back into the turbofuel loop), and then into the power shard production where it gets ocmbined and becomes Ionized fuel

[gaunt spire]

ik im not gonna build for pure optimal stuff but for cool stuff

first, i think i wanna try for a 10 HMF frame, probably via 3x encased frame

[dull rose]

This is a good approach imho.

[gaunt spire]

its mostly cuz i like cool >>>>

[dull rose]

Re: Drone fuel - I do Ionized because it's the fastest fuel with the bestpower ratio. Nuclear is as fast, and has way better return... but it's nuclear and youy end up with massive raidation hotspots everywhere and it's massively a pain in the arse

[gaunt spire]

all my screenshots are overdesigned for pretty

i rebuilt my splitters 3x so i could use straight alignment

[dull rose]

I understand the need for Cool.

[idle stratus]

in 1.0, I decided I was GOING to learn trains, and so decided that my next game was going to be built around a Rail Cityblock base. Which meant I needed a "standard cityblock loop" that was scaled to roboport deployment, and having a 4 way junction broken across the corners, and signals so that more than one train can be on the network at a time. Additional blueprints can slap on loading/unloading stations.

I ended up upgrading that "standard" cityblock twice in that run. I havnt yet repeated the experience in 2.0

[dusk ice]

you should theres loads of fun new train tech in 2.0

[idle stratus]

It's on my steam to-do list. after a few other big ticket things.

[gaunt spire]

road markings...

HELL

[gaunt spire]

hell has been completed

[gaunt spire]

highway project now partially complete

[gaunt spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166053736238551150/1409792620170838026/Screenshot_20250825-235224.png?ex=68aeab31&is=68ad59b1&hm=e6ba9b724971d701e0298883774d75577ee2dd5d14bda42234ae93e2fb460930&

[mighty zinc]

They're reliable as long as they're on built stuff iirc, on terrain it can get a bit messy

[crimson surge]

That just sounds like incentive to pave the entire map.

[gaunt spire]

stares at my 12 hours of highway design

[gaunt spire]

i havent linked EVERYTHING but once i fix up the mechanisms itll be good

[steep siren]

Oooo rooftop pipes is a great design

[gaunt spire]

Lmao it’s just slightly elevated to hide the spaghetti

[idle stratus]

I caught the Space Engineers sale. Any advice for starting out?

[last tinsel]

These posts got me to get back into Satisfactory again, just about ready to start making roads of my own

[dusk ice]

road it up

one more lane

[steep siren]

I saw there's now vanilla options to start at different tiers which is real neat. Shame it disables achievements

[steep siren]

The American way

[last tinsel]

Go my Bergentrücks

[steep siren]

As someone who liked cities skylines and learned traffic management is just awful and cars were a mistake. I would fuck with a traffic system in Satisfactory for trucks. They're kind of just, worse than trains once you unlock trains and lose relevance fast.
It'd be neat if you could have automated like stop lights and roundabout and copy/paste paths and just spam truck production. I'm basically describing trains but more flexible.

Give me a reason to burn fuel in my combustion engines

[dusk ice]

I nearly have my silly train system working in factorio

just some minor teething issues to sort I think

I want it to make as efficient use of the trains as possible so I can have as few of them as possible

since they are very inefficient little 1-1 trains lol

but basically I am recreating the logistics network with trains as huge logistic bots

[last tinsel]

The way trucks work in Satisfactory is making me nervous about setting them up, especially since I'm not certain on how they'll get in and out of the factory (still setting up the foundations)

I think I basically have to treat them like trains with dedicated lanes

[dusk ice]

have the factory raised on piles and the trucks dock in the undercroft

[steep siren]

Do trucks have like any sort of avoidance mechanic?

I know it used to be if like trucks crossed paths there was a chance they'd just collide and it could cause them to basically turn over or disappear into a ditch

[steep siren]

Yea I treat them as worse trains, I make highways with a side lane for trains cause once I trains I have no reason to use trucks with the issues the pathing has still.

[sour portal]

My trucks clipped each other through the world enough times that I just full converted to trains

And pre train I just ran one single truck for flex transport and ran lengthy conveyor belts for anything permanent

[steep siren]

Yea like, lengthy conveyor belts are just way more reliable

[sour portal]

Trucks would also clip themselves out of the world on random rocks and such so you really had to path very carefully, not sure if they've improved that

[steep siren]

Maybe I'll be fancy and do a highway with a train tunnel and also hide belts under that tunnel.

Highway for aesthetics and personal vehicle

[gaunt spire]

I want to get infinite nudge just so I can have smooth road curves instead

Or a “patterns anywhere” if I can

[steep siren]

There's a mod for that

Which surprised me the modding scene used to be nonexistent when I last played and the big mod was the ability to delete nuclear waste

[idle stratus]

Is there a reason the large grid ion isnt moving the ship? or do I need a large grid cockpit to control large grid flight components?
(space engineers)

[idle stratus]

Debugged it. I should be good to expand until I need more oxygen.

[last tinsel]

I think I will raise my base to fit a garage underneath for trucks/train stations.
Only issue is how tall would I have to make it, which is a little difficult without having the actual stations to compare against

[steep siren]

I made the 1st floor of my depots to be only for shipping/receivings

2nd floor is storage/logistics & space for batteries

3rd and above is all production and just stacks one thing vertically for modularity

[last tinsel]

Nah I mean like, how high must the roof be to fit the stations

And how many trains can fit

[steep siren]

Ah I see, no clue then. Id have to load into like a new game with cheats and test it

[dull rose]

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This is gonna be someone's bullshit

[steep siren]

Yooooo autobattler factory game? My dream

[marble crown]

factorio calls to me but i've not the internal motivation to do a full run solo

[idle stratus]

I beat factorio 1.0 a few times, but I havnt gotten the motivation to go interplanetary in 2.0 yet. Maybe after silksong.

(mind, ive got a few abandoned 2.0 files that are still on Nauvis)

[dusk ice]

doesnt hurt to pick up a previous save

[marble crown]

ye

the early game is often the hardest to get though spoon wise

[idle stratus]

My furthest file is launchpad capable, but I;ve gotten distracted doing quality farming instead of building an interplanetry ship.

[dusk ice]

oh don't quality farm on nauvis

[marble crown]

so quality farming is best done on ||vulcan || by ||quality farming for coal in space and then making lds and recycling it||

[dusk ice]

wait until you've done fulgora at least

you can only get like quality 1 modules before going to space

and you don't need quality until super endgame anyway

[marble crown]

ye quality is nice but not required

[idle stratus]

without leaving Nauvis, I have Q2 from a basic space science platform.

[marble crown]

quality is also a huge resource sink trap

[idle stratus]

and of course, Rare Quality quality modules

[marble crown]

i also cant wait till space exploration updates

i know it wont interface with paid dlc stuff but still excited for it

kindof want to work on a promethium ship but also that sounds like lots of effort

[steep siren]

Seizing the means of production

[marble crown]

oh shit space exploration updated for 2.0

[carmine carbon]

Help

I have made A Bad Decision

[dull rose]

No help, build a new satisfactory factory

[steep siren]

You should build an assembly like this ne about it

[idle stratus]

Please tell us your Bad Decision so we can Judge you for it.

[carmine carbon]

Krastorio with Space Exploration at once

[idle stratus]

It has been nice talking with you. Good luck and bring plenty of food and water on your expedition.

[marble crown]

not sure if its the social anxiety or the regular anxiety buh i am nervous to join

[carmine carbon]

No need to VC

Simply put TFMG, and you have hands

Well

Paws

[carmine carbon]

Server is up, whenever

[marble crown]

wa info?

[carmine carbon]

Name is Spacekrasts

PW 12345

[carmine carbon]

Can also send Steam invite

[marble crown]

ye think going to have to do that i cant find it

[carmine carbon]

1073934152

Steam code

[marble crown]

i must convince fount to get more mods

[carmine carbon]

Oh, no

Which ones?

[marble crown]

let me launch my game and get names

caps

so these two are actually recommended mods for space exploration
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/combat-mechanics-overhaul
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/equipment-gantry
these two are just kinda ui stuff thats neet or nice to have
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/Milestones
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/TaskList
this one puts a little circle next to machines that says if they are running, input starved, or ourput is full
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/BottleneckLite

this one gives you like an upgrade planner but for what modules to put in machines (its really helpful mid to late game with bots)
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/ModuleInserterEx

and this one just makes it easier to make mining outposts
https://mods.factorio.com/mod/mining-patch-planner

[carmine carbon]

QoL is for pansies

-# (📝)

[marble crown]

i know bottleneck doesnt sound super usefull and its easy to tell if machines are running but trust me it makes telling why giant factory layouts arent working so much nicer

[carmine carbon]

Yeye

Any of these break saves?

[marble crown]

shouldnt?

i'd back up just in case though

[carmine carbon]

Gotcha

I am Out today, but will get these in

[marble crown]

ye is fine i'm playing stationeers with some peeps today anyway

[carmine carbon]

Enjoy!

[marble crown]

[marble crown]

when factory grow next?

[minor void]

did someone ever make a mod for space age to make automated rocket launches easier to queue? like making it easier to do mixed rocket launches and stuff? i havent played the game in a year but that was always something that seemed ripe for mod fixing.

[carmine carbon]

Bout now

[marble crown]

[marble crown]

getting food rq

[carmine carbon]

Nw

Server is back up

[marble crown]

wait @carmine carbon is this your first factorio playthough

[carmine carbon]

Not my first, but I have yet to beat the gam eproper

[marble crown]

I finding k2 to be a lot like Greg tech

[carmine carbon]

Oh?

[marble crown]

Lots of intermediary steps for the sake of intermediary steps

[carmine carbon]

AH, ye

Some of those are AAI, as well

[marble crown]

some but most are k2

[carmine carbon]

Next time should be my Friday

[marble crown]

[marble crown]

Just to make sure that is like a bit under a week yeah?

[carmine carbon]

Yeah

Yesterday was Saturday

[marble crown]

next time if i have enough spoons i might start setting up a train network

[carmine carbon]

Good, goooood

Depends what I get done this week

(I have another friend who plays)

[marble crown]

👀

I thought I noticed another name on things

[marble crown]

is morrow or the next day?

[carmine carbon]

The morrow

In approximately 20 hours, give or take

[marble crown]

[carmine carbon]

I wake

TFMG

[marble crown]

Will be on in a few

[carmine carbon]

Gotcha

[marble crown]

game no let me join

[carmine carbon]

Oh, no

[carmine carbon]

i did add a mod or two

[marble crown]

it wouldnt even connect

[carmine carbon]

ATake two?

[carmine carbon]

....

Is that a your end issue?

[marble crown]

dunno

[carmine carbon]

I'm setting it up fine, no error messages

Your wifi was being wack last night, iirc?

[marble crown]

internet as a whole was yeah

but havent had any issues today

i can see your server in the list

wondering if this is the universe prompting me to go to an urgent care to get my sore throat looked at

[carmine carbon]

Possibly

[marble crown]

i'll go get that checked out and maybe the internet weirdness will fixitself i nthe meantime

[carmine carbon]

Back, when you are

[marble crown]

When is next?

[carmine carbon]

3 days, probably

[carmine carbon]

Actually, I'm free now, if you want

[marble crown]

thats a solid maybe

just now taking my meds, we'll see how well it cuts through the sick haze

[carmine carbon]

*Throws spoons in your general direction*

[marble crown]

let me refresh my ark decay timers and i'll be on to fix your oil processing

and then i can remove the evil buffer tanks

[marble crown]

Otay notes for self:
Gotta move over the iron smelting to balance the input so it can't train lock
Gotta add in storage sinks for wood and ores

[marble crown]

also @carmine carbon i'm thinking we should do the thing everyone always says to do but that i never actually do and build a second base thats build for scale as we're already kind of limping along with this one and its getting harder and harder to do anything with the spaghetti

[carmine carbon]

Sounds good

[marble crown]

going to have lots of trains

[marble crown]

Oh also when it comes time to set up intersurface logistics do you want me to let you figure it out or just make it work?

[steel meadow]

you know, i usually fall off real fast off factorio
i think because i sit there annoyed that im hand crafting too much
so this time i went for the same approach i go for when playing modded minecraft
when setting up automation, automate whatever i need to setup more automation first

im overcrafting on wires a bunch, but it doesnt really matter ~w~

[steel meadow]

time to setup trains
cause i need to start traveling for bigger resource patches, and i dont wanna run belts that are 2000 long

[idle stratus]

Experienced factorio players call this a "Mall", because it's one place where you can get anything you need.

[steel meadow]

ye i know, i just never really prioritized it before

[idle stratus]

Generally, you dont need multiple factories per item type- the fact that it fills the chests up to whatever limit you set while you are away means that whatever the production rate it's usually full when you need it.

[marble crown]

the earlier you mall the better your gameplay experience

[idle stratus]

My "Starter base" is a minimall that makes Wires, Circus, Iron gears, Red Science, and one "mall factory" that I have to set between Belts, Inserters, Electric Miners and Factories. It gets expanded with a green science factory feeding off the belts/inserters buffer, but I have to swap between them manuially.

[steel meadow]

i just copied the inserter module to the green science

[marble crown]

also i highly recommend making "smart" and balanced train loader/unloader stations

[steel meadow]

easier than bothering to leech off my inserter supply

im just gonna use ltn for trains >_>

ive seen theres ways to make smart stations with interrupts and all that, and maybe ill switch to that later

but i dont wanna bother too too much

[marble crown]

all of my train stations for items are chest buffered and then i do circuit stuff to keep the chest balanced so the train loads/unloads faster