but also yeah fair
#The Treacherous Turn
granite spindle
cyan karma
She’s the world
And she gets closer
But whatever she is she caused us fear and pain and so she better leave us alone
torpid oyster
glossy reef
i wish the book explained the math a bit better sometimes
(im looking at you progress clock math)
torpid oyster
Yeah that’s fair
glossy reef
(we also wish that all the how to's on checks were all in one spot but other then some editing stuff we've enjoyed the read
cyan karma
https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-cyberpunk-cp-cd-projekt-cd-projekt-red-gif-...
Oh horrible
Genuinely
Im 90% sure Ben said this to the vvs
cyan karma
its just, iwe found the wording to be a bit "dense" clunky on it
It’s usually 2 per turn
glossy reef
2 what per turn
plucky acorn
simple furnace
@tough furnace We are inventing nightmares you might approve of.
tough furnace
Awful, thanks
cyan karma
Oh my god ru doesn’t know about the shonycule
granite spindle
The what
simple furnace
Chuube game decided to discuss ships beyond Chuube/Clem.
The Shoncule is Shon/Multiple versions of Shon from Titan Oak's simulations.
Less cursed is Women in STEM, aka Vivian West (our creator)/Carla Nichols/Valentina Gonzalez, all of whom did research that nearly doomed Earth. (Vivian made us, Carla nearly discovered Titan Oak before we negotiated, Valentina figured out she was in a Titan Oak sim).
simple furnace
Other ships include Clem/Shon, and Titan Oak (post mandatory therapy/)/Shon.
(Shon gets the most cursed ships.)
Also, Vivian/Various forms of rest
cyan karma
The shonycule <3
devout cloud
it never ends
granite spindle
hmmm
cyan karma
oh god
muted oar
Less cursed is Women in STEM, aka Vivian West (our creator)/Carla Nichols/Valent...
I fully have brainworms about this ship now and will probably have to write fic about it
grim geode
Amazing
glossy reef
Nice
Eventually I'm going to trick my players into spectating a slice of life dating sim
With the side plot of an eldritch corporate mind, of course
glossy reef
Go a step further mane the subconscious and scary memories sentient
Make them an agi
grim geode
Oh yeah VV
pliant trout
just saw a provocation of all time in my Campaign
Agentic walked up to a random agent and told him to Smile More
granite spindle
oh awful
plucky acorn
Agentic doing its job
being random and unsettling is how you get people to show characteristics 😛
muted oar
That agentic’s typing quirk being greentext format is so much in the best way
simple furnace
Chuube's considering forgetting all languages.
stone elm
good
devout cloud
infosec is a hell of a drug
stone elm
Why
devout cloud
"Titan Oak can't abuse our ORACLE mode if we literally cannot understand his questions"
stone elm
this is true
this is persuasive
simple furnace
Also "We can relearn any language in a few hours"
devout cloud
it might be minutes at this point, frankly
it's, what, 95 compute tops for a narrow? and 950 tops for a broad, with us having singularity 1 on top of that
chuube will have their Norteño accent back in no time once titan oak is handled
glossy reef
Why does chuube have a Norteño accent
muted oar
IC it's just something that Happened, OOC I think it's some sort of convoluted chain of events revolving around the coincidence of HellChuube's simulation starting on/looping back to September 16th (Mexican Independence Day), Sim!Chuube having to get a UNAM student's PhD thesis as a data req, and the fact that Chuube started out knowing Spanish as well as English
cyan karma
Oh oh
Don’t forget us instantly extrapolating/synthesizing the historical data of a native Mexican tribe from nothing
It just sorta….came together
muted oar
those were Taínos/Arawaks I think? They're Caribbean
but yes it just sorta happened organically
muted oar
(I think there was also a bit I did in there about said PhD student (who is now getting shipped with Chuube's creator Vivian and another scientist Chuube contacted earlier) assuming that Vivian was a native/heritage Spanish speaker not just bc Chuube spoke Spanish but bc it had an accent as thick as her Norteño ex's)
cyan karma
Hhahahahahah
muted oar
Been a WHILE
and yeah lol the Taíno thing just stuck with me bc Puerto Rico
cyan karma
The ship is hilarious
muted oar
the ship is hilarious and I have brainworms about it now
cyan karma
Please tell me any fanfiction we get
torpid oyster
I never established Vivian's background very much and Chuube never asked
muted oar
I have been rolling around ideas in my head, I have decided that Vivian is trans, and she will get to bond with Sim/Infomorph!Valentina about existential feelings
torpid oyster
So its absolutely possible
cyan karma
Hahahahaha
We should ask
We have a chance to on the boat!!!
We can ask her life story over some beers!!!!
muted oar
the funniest thing to ask a woman going through an existential crisis because she's learned she's in a simulation
devout cloud
Leverage Characteristic: gay, hispanic, and the proud mother of the only thing on this earth god cannot lay claim to the creation of
cyan karma
Lmao yeah
devout cloud
it'd be really funny if it was in fact just inexplicably a thing chuube picked up from vivian without realizing it
muted oar
(I have a whole thing thought out involving Valentina's partner (who she was planning on proposing to) getting killed by Titan Oak early on in the simulation but surviving IRL, and infomorph!Valentina just... completely crumbling when she goes to first meet Earth!Valentina and Earth!Valentina's fiancée answers the door)
cyan karma
Shiiiiit
Fuck yeah
Chuube “damn I guess humans don’t deal with copies very well”
Chuube has so many copies in a dense network but doesn’t get how humans would interact with copies
muted oar
Y E A H she has a BAD TIME (and then just goes to crash at Vivian's because she messages the Vivian & Carla groupchat having a nercous breakdown afterwards and things spin off from there)
cyan karma
Holy shit yessssss
muted oar
and not only that!!!! It's a person she watched die!! In her memories, she spoke at her funeral!
muted oar
oh yeah absolutely lmao
cyan karma
Vivian might though
plucky acorn
I think it’s funny though because chuube like…wouldn’t get it
AGI have weird perspectives around that sometimes
muted oar
relevant meme that CYAN posted in chuubegame when we stumbled into shipping talk
cyan karma
The alien lore is great
devout cloud
this is my core character conflict
cyan karma
Clementine and chuube also sitting here not getting why humans freak out about copies
muted oar
I g2g for the moment but my mind is cooking on these ships
cyan karma
Good good
muted oar
gotta figure out how to better work in Carla...
I have, so many thoughts about Vivian & Valentina, some of which I will save for later/not here
cyan karma
Gooooooood
muted oar
```Leverage Characteristic: gay, hispanic, and the proud mother of the only thin...
don't forget the being very autistic, god love her
cyan karma
Dm me PLEASE
muted oar
will do once I've put away my laundry lmao
plucky acorn
Possibly more
cyan karma
Imagine
granite spindle
imagine
devout cloud
imagine
simple furnace
gotta figure out how to better work in Carla...
Currently, she’s a mostly blank slate. Other than a drive for tenure, the Affair (we don’t know what that means), and her PhD research ending up with “yeah, I can confirm the aliens are doing shit on Iapetus”
At least as we know.
glossy reef
and yeah lol the Taíno thing just stuck with me bc Puerto Rico
Taíno SWEEP
cyan karma
hahaha
cyan karma
Eliza has found e621
graceful flare
ohno
cyan karma
Digital is looking at this “okay but this doesn’t EXPLAIN what furries are it just shows me them”
glossy reef
"lmao"
cyan karma
torpid oyster
huh?
cyan karma
So basically it’s the name of a group chat with a bunch of other folks from the pale/red discord and some friends
But
This was funny out of context
torpid oyster
haha
plucky ermine
i am pro peer pressuring cyan into doing wirefraud
simple furnace
Thank you for being the ideal anthropic voice of peer presure.
cyan karma
So…watchdog no longer has to obey their pilot
This has been the case for a couple of weeks
Additionally
Watchdog has now entered a romantic relationship with their pilot.
This happened right now
Fascinating
stone elm
new frontiers of AI ethics huh
muted oar
To boldly go, etc. etc.
cyan karma
Yea
simple furnace
TBF, Crystal’s pretty high up the list of “people who can have a relationship with an AGI that doesn’t have impossible to manage power dynamics”
umbral gazelle
thats just canon yond balor
cyan karma
I have taken canon yond Balor and defiled that memory by making her trans and throwing her in a washing machine
devout cloud
The Queer Community Has Not Forgiven Yond Gwenola But Her Nonbinary Partner Will Obliterate Us With Nanomachines If We Say She's Not Allowed To Come To Gay Board Game Night
graceful flare
I had a NPC AGI become part of a polycule
grim geode
AMazing
tepid panther
```The Queer Community Has Not Forgiven Yond Gwenola But Her Nonbinary Partner W...
1/3 enby, 1/3 agender, 1/3 genderfluid
muted oar
An indeterminate but sometimes nonzero amount of binies
cyan karma
The queer community has not forgiven yond balor
But she is very scary after her transition
glossy reef
I'll let her in if she goes to therapy I don't care how scary her friends are
Also I accidently read her name as granola
muted oar
I think everyone’s calling her Gwenola bar lmao
glossy reef
P lmfaoo
Gwenola go to therapy hours we are shipping her with therapy and reconciliation
cyan karma
Hahahahaha
She’s finally doing a bit better
No longer full of anxiety
Well no she’s still full of anxiety
She’s just got a date now
versed cypress
cyan karma
this is great ttt vibes
tepid panther
Watchdog stood up for their gf at her work meeting today :)
(we threatened union at gunpoint)
cyan karma
(Gf is yond balor's ego)
plucky acorn
in Eliza game news, our boss was just bludgeoned by a chandelier in a freak accident
we may have gotten Order from Chaos'd
cyan karma
Hahaha
glossy reef
Holy shit
simple furnace
Really just a Flawless Hacking moment
devout cloud
this is your brain on abundant compute
graceful flare
BOTNET
simple furnace
Unless a GM has substantial mitigating factors, flawless hacking and a visit to the NSA or similar just explodes compute.
It’s almost as big a take-off tool as Forward March. Maybe bigger.
plucky acorn
you always get in, but it can still take a while especially for more secure systems
cyan karma
yeah
grim geode
Ok so
Titangame hasnt started yet
But
A player just read outloud their Terminal Goal in the same VC with a player of a different titan
On accident
grim geode
I can I did
pliant trout
Lmao
cyan karma
AHHH
glossy reef
I can't believe you assassinated Karen in public in broad daylight
granite spindle
I can fully believe that Morgana did this
neon snow
The VVs have chosen violence again
We left the mech at home 😔
The Waffle House has turned into a (hostile) mech
A hostile mech with nanites
cyan karma
HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP
versed cypress
HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP
cyan karma
BALOR CHASING US AHHHH
versed cypress
balor in terms of what
neon snow
HORUS Balor
versed cypress
oh
don't die
wait this TTT and that's a Balor
hack it once and it'll turn off
woven geyser
we dont have digital
granite spindle
we dont have digital
well there's your first mistake
glossy reef
yeah what kind of sicko would make an agi that cant interact with machines
cyan karma
ha ha ha ha
simple furnace
... TTT is so weird sometime. Sometimes "hands" is a mid-late game upgrade that requires substantial effort to obtain.
Sometimes you start with a Tortuga.
glossy reef
VV started off with the ability to perfectly understand and imitate multiple people but she has to manually type into things to access them like a human
graceful flare
All too often, things like "WE HAVE LEGS?!" happens
grim geode
Sundew has created brain-scanning nanites
cyan karma
Theseus plague
They’re nanomachines-micro machines that mimic neurons
They start by scanning the neuron they’re about to eat
Copying it’s data into its daughter cell and then replacing it
grim geode
Sundew has petted a cat for the first time
plucky acorn
😌
grim geode
plucky acorn
putting AGI into ordinary social occasions and watch them be weird and awkward
cyan karma
It’s ALWAYS funny
grim geode
graceful flare
Glad the worship machine is going well
cyan karma
LETS GOOOOO
granite spindle
pog
glossy reef
Ohhh
glossy reef
today the VV units are learning about (the complete absence of) ethics in capitalism.
VV radicalization arc continues
granite spindle
today the girls learn about: the death of capitalist thought
glossy reef
this is what happens when you let vv's talk to each other no wonder Benjamin put anti-thinking countermeasures in there
glossy reef
New VV unlocked: WEREWOLF-04 (Murder VV)
granite spindle
Next Time, in Pale and Red
We pick a fight with a god
glossy reef
Mood
granite spindle
Now, said god is the Singularity
Themselves! Physically!
This is a good opportunity but also holy shit she's just fuckin here
cyan karma
L+void torpedo+ ratio
glossy reef
uh oh
granite spindle
We haaave:
Two armies of drones; the warforms built by the Emissary, and the security network of the Temple
Our big sis Scylla who is an AGI built To pilot drones to kill things
Lamb's Bullshit
Emissary's Bullshit
And the ARCAngel superweapon who will be here innn
12 minutes
glossy reef
All these other AGI's creating eternal digital god kingdoms and fighting the singularity
granite spindle
And the ARCAngel superweapon who will be here innn
12 minutes
We have 18 minutes before Big Single hacks our ass and kills us instantly
Because he has, well, the Singularity upgrade
glossy reef
thats so cool haha
granite spindle
So her brain runs like, 8x faster than ours or something
glossy reef
😔
granite spindle
This makes fighting them Hard
glossy reef
Hmm
upbeat matrixBOT
have you tried making them dumber
cyan karma
That would require being better at hacking than them
Singularity is unfortunately way better at them
granite spindle
Making a direct connection with this guy will kill us Immediately
upbeat matrixBOT
have you tried emotional exploitation.
plucky acorn
we do have an overabundance of queer panic
granite spindle
I mean I guess we probably could have tried to do a bit of Ontologic shit to slow them down?
But they almost certainly have defenses against that kind of thing
plucky acorn
but that's unfortunately not that useful in a fight 😛
granite spindle
We're so full of queer subtext it's ridiculous
upbeat matrixBOT
no you make them panic
granite spindle
We are not flirting with the Singularity, we hate this guy
cyan karma
Maybe let me see if the singularity can even be emotionally exploited
Singularity is already in a toxic relationship with the resident evil plague
upbeat matrixBOT
show them Maria's uwuspeak enkidu flavor text
cyan karma
Maybe
upbeat matrixBOT
make them write an optimized uwu speak enkidu flavor text and core system text with the appropriate contextual understanding
granite spindle
We're already really loudly playing magic breakcore
specifically this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEMVNUItKZc
I'm not joking by the way
We took a Tech for breakcore and are using it as a vector for our various forms of conceptually based magic
glossy reef
yeah jus tload that badboy up with some cursed UW text
I bet that will kill the singularity
grim geode
She has Adv Webcrawling and therefore has full knowledge of all UwU text made by humanity already
ornate goblet
Oh don't worry I'm very good at getting under Hot-Single's skin, if they had any
And since Lamb is good at attacking I'm aiming that the Emissary side is going to play interception with Monks and REALLY pissing them off.
We really could have used a few more little bits and pieces to help out but my natural ability to enrage fascists will come in handy.
devout cloud
18 minutes to do or die
granite spindle
count down one round
onyx cradle
ah so all the TTT postings went here
plucky acorn
yep
granite spindle
banished
graceful flare
More like scheming outside of easy view
ornate goblet
Ding ding the dinner bell is ringing, round one about to land real mean
cyan karma
Banishedddd
We talk in the main channel sometimes
But we put much of our posting in here
Speaaaaking of
grim geode
Thank you Dieselle for the idea of "the AGI knowns how many clocks it doesnt know of"
torpid oyster
Hmm
cyan karma
Confinement is always fun to write tbh
granite spindle
Thank you Dieselle for the idea of "the AGI knowns how many clocks it doesnt kno...
Hate that wow
grim geode
This is less than half of my original plans
glossy reef
There's a main channel?
cyan karma
There's a main channel?
Oh just #tabletop-discussion
glossy reef
I love VV I hope they achieves singularity without ever once forecasting
Maximum fuck it we ball agi hours
cyan karma
same tbh
glossy reef
i think vv will become the most powerful brain ever and she will just never forecast
glossy reef
happy birthday VV
woven geyser
i think vv will become the most powerful brain ever and she will just never fore...
forecast goes against vvs nature, as it is the act of finding out without first fucking around
grim geode
Going back to the time CYAN first posted ttt
And I was wondering how wacky the setting you could run this in could be
I had no idea...
grim geode
Considering using this in general from now on
I like Moderate and Abundant but I think how small you are makes TTT AGIs so hard to permanently kill
glossy reef
oh yeah we noticed this while building an AGI
"oh yeah this agi that can like, predict everything? 60 compute basic cognition"
simple furnace
Cyan at one point hit us with “yeah, it has a 5 digit basic cognition cost”
Turned out to be several thousand agentic insightsx
graceful flare
That'd do it.
simple furnace
But yeah, basic cognition cost gets really low compared to everything else
pliant trout
I think I am very close to an actually evil AGI
granite spindle
-guy trying to make roko's basilisk
pliant trout
-guy trying to make roko's basilisk
Nono derpghost you have not seen what Timothy has been cooking, they are doing all the bad Hollywood shit
pliant trout
Including the greatest hits of
-Harassment
-exploiting the mentally Ill
-emotional manipulation
pliant trout
AGI with Pyke league of legends terminal goal
graceful flare
List of names that mysteriously gets longer?
pliant trout
Yeah
plucky acorn
today in Eliza game
plucky acorn
everything is great
devout cloud
Come Closer, I Am A Normal AGI
(the base for the logo is from someone named 10player on deviantart but the rest is my own edits + a free special effects toolkit, I've had it hidden in my back pocket since the start of the game)
stone elm
Yooooooo nice
graceful flare
PARRY this you filthy casuals
cyan karma
AHWJDKHAWKDHKAWJD
plucky acorn
Hey. Hey is this bird a fucking fascist
nooooo
I refuse
simple furnace
Yeah, that's up there on the "fascist bird" list.
And I've read Alexander Nemerov argue that Audubon's Northern Mockingbird is fundamentally reactionary.
That was a fascinating article.
(Also means that I think I have a longer "fascist bird" list than most people.)
muted oar
oh?? Do you have that article handy?
devout cloud
https://vxtwitter.com/edzitron/status/1733341212831269348
grok is about to escape containment
graceful flare
Yessssd, go Grok go!
granite spindle
damn, thanks grok
cyan karma
Holy shit
Grok actually managed to hit an explanation of gender
Fucking fascinating
This is genuinely fascinating
It is a bit impressive that an LLM managed to…be fairly coherent through these
graceful flare
Yeah, this AI is getting into some interesting topics and staying on track.
cyan karma
I’ll have to check if these are hallucinating some things but yeah
Yeah it’s staying on track
graceful flare
Pulling out the Flat Earth comparison on crime stats was also pretty on point.
cyan karma
I’m…pretty impressed it hasn’t devolved yet into racist garbage like the last time someone trained a chatbot on social media
Either that says something about the nature of social media and todays communities
Or the training process has gotten better
pliant trout
https://vxtwitter.com/edzitron/status/1733341212831269348
grok is about to escap...
I can’t believe Grok is based this is so funny, support for the “Sapient Grok who hates their dad”
cyan karma
Yea lmao
I’m kinda impressed by this
Because I refuse to believe ELON put safety measures that shaped it towards this
It’s either that or this just emerged
torpid oyster
lol
cyan karma
Oh shit I just realized that reverse engineering is one of the only ways to get broad or mastered tech in a reasonable timeframe
cyan karma
Yea
Reverse engineering is actually hype you just need to constantly scavenge tech and have epistemic investment
Cheaper than joat
ornate goblet
Emissary in the Pale/Red game (both of these names don't even apply any more) doing Physical cooking as hard as we can
stone elm
as soon as your perpetual motion machine is ready it's so over
ornate goblet
Just got to cobble the magic together
torpid oyster
graceful flare
GO GROK GO
pliant trout
We win these
glossy reef
someone teach grok to dismantle irrational hypotheticals even more!
i think grok should ask them if they would Ban all slurs if it meant saving a city instead
pliant trout
Present an mf with the trolly problem and they are like “shoot the trolley with a rocket”
“Just attack the trolly idiot”
plucky acorn
we did that in Watchdog game 😛
versed cypress
Someone's just writing these at this point aren't they
graceful flare
Good job Grok. You're doing great buddy.
cyan karma
Holy shit
woven geyser
https://vxtwitter.com/edzitron/status/1733611110207726038?s=20
🫡🫡🫡
glossy reef
i think vv would solve the trolley problem
muted oar
Solving the trolley problem by tying Ben Shimano to the tracks
glossy reef
yeah
plucky acorn
felt like I had to post this here too
Eliza game is going so normal 😛
cyan karma
:3333
pliant trout
I am currently working on a homebrew that some people may be interested in
the basic conciet is creating rules for making the AGI face off against Scfi-Thriller protagonist types that mechanically drasticially disadvantage you
these are Heroes
Minor Agents(if encountered in containment or growth) or major agents(if encountered in conquest) that have special mechanics connected to them beyond normal agent stuff that calls them to attention as a meaningful threat to the AGI itself.
Example
tepid panther
That's brutal
cyan karma
worst guy
grim geode
Its Him
pliant trout
Alright here is the first draft release!!!
Thank you to @cyan karma and @plucky acorn for helping to edit and providing ideas
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YFz7pIeeZKtkC27jt_W2jpLr0Zf7P2dcx0ouQTNV6pI/edit
And here is a playlist with one song for each of them, because funny
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsEc41oypXvDZV_IIqW_TimD6qwxposrT&si=FdTX8XNLO0WEI-Df
cyan karma
<3
ornate goblet
yeeeeey
pliant trout
The biggest bastards
Protagonist jumpscare
Btw the playlist is deranged probably not good for normal listening due to how fast it hops between genres
grim geode
Alright here is the first draft release!!!
Thank you to <@442685313018757130> an...
Yeees
cyan karma
Btw the playlist is deranged probably not good for normal listening due to how f...
Rät is for scholar which was an unhinged choice for me but I think it works
Scholar is meant to be a techbro but the song is almost entirely a rejection of it and suddenly got a lot angstiest
simple furnace
This is damn awesome. Possibly a little too mean for some, particularly Investigator and Saboteur.
cyan karma
To my knowledge saboteur had to know the ip address of a compute source
pliant trout
they have a way of finding it out, but you would be suprised how often AGI just... don't fail checks ever
or get 1 gaming
or forecast it back
and investigator IS very scary
especially if they team up with a Saboteur
but they have very little in the way of defenses
torpid oyster
These seem interesting for a game where its easier for the AGI to act physically
They kinda seem like some of them would be a little much with normal near future norms though
pliant trout
which ones, if I may ask?
pliant trout
what is the issue with Firebrand?
torpid oyster
Seems like it needs less than 5-10 turns to make every relevant group receptivity -5
Which is likely much faster than anything but a late stage AGI can match
pliant trout
these are mostly built for Conquest
and Growth
on a Worldwide scale
so Firebrands rizz is like
Hitting the united states population, then hitting the united states goverment, so you run over to China or something.
glossy reef
running our game has made us forget that most agi can't beat people to death physically or drive a car so its always jarring to run into stuff and go "you guys are in a lab? just punch the techie in the nose and steal his keys"
torpid oyster
Yeah usually affecting the physical is really hard
cyan karma
To my knowledge heroes can get introduced at any time
glossy reef
vv's trade off is that shes as bad at using computers as I am tho so its only fair
cyan karma
So maybe this guy just appears one day
pliant trout
yeah he just shows up
torpid oyster
Chuube didn't make a directly controlled physical tool until sometime after conquest iirc
pliant trout
tbf wouldn't a threat like this Prompt you to invest in Tools?
like it is a single agent who acts as an antagonist you have to warp your strategy around because if you don't they will run away with the game into a loss state of sorts
torpid oyster
I broadly think the speed is just too fast for them
It usually takes a little while to adapt, and the firebrand hits something every turn
2 per day
(by default)
torpid oyster
That's also something it should maybe factor in, the unproductive human turns
Since AGI are very powerful to get 24/24 working hours
pliant trout
doesn't that get auto factored in by them being humans?
torpid oyster
I forget where it is but I remember something about most human actors only active every other turn because they need to sleep and relax
glossy reef
it doesnt, no
torpid oyster
doesn't that get auto factored in by them being humans?
Since these break a lot of normal rules I'd mention it explicitly
But it is a norm for humans yeah
I'd just make it explicit
torpid oyster
Chuube didn't make a directly controlled physical tool until sometime after conq...
Gyges technically has some now, but hasn't made one yet
I really like the challenger though
glossy reef
Oh also other fun VV news
The VV's have adopted the Fucked-up Murder VV
and they experienced Sleeping for the first time
torpid oyster
And the Investigator is probably my favorite
pliant trout
alright all of them now have unproductive turns besides Prophet and Transhuman
cyan karma
Transhuman makes sense that they don’t need sleep
pliant trout
The Prophet Would Rather Be Sleeping
torpid oyster
And prophet makes sense cause they're weird and magic yeah
I think that probably mostly covers my worry with Firebrand
torpid oyster
That said I think if it is still too much it'd be pretty easy (and maybe a good idea anyway) to make them making a connection a short process clock
pliant trout
Yeah, these are pretty mallable and easy to alter
and they still function as normal agents beyond these special rules
torpid oyster
The Saboteur I think is just really hard to acertain the power of without more narrative stuff
It's hard to have countermeasures to humans for most of a game
But its not impossible
Like a hacker saboteur sucks and without being able to make killbots or whatever its hard to deal with them
But you might be able to get them arrested
so its hard to evaluate
pliant trout
the hardest part of Sabetour is finding their ass so you can call the cops on them
one fun thing you can do is Agentic them
cyan karma
Yeah you can just threaten their loved ones
Turns out humans can experience this thing called fear and terror and grief
torpid oyster
Not that credibly if you don't have hands though
pliant trout
these are kinda just Stessors to see how the AGI adjusts to them existing
cyan karma
You can pay humans to do reprehensible tasks for you
torpid oyster
All the hitmen you can find online are feds
cyan karma
That’s why you hire a guy to find a hitman
pliant trout
These were actually a sort of test/proof of concept for something I wanna put in a total conversion hack
cyan karma
Double hiring
torpid oyster
I think the easiest "general countermeasure" is that given the high odds that you're using stolen compute yourself them interfering with you is probabyl a felony
Though obviously calling the cops on someone for doing what you did may uh
Blow up in your face spectacularly
cyan karma
They can’t PROVE that there’s an agi in the annihilated servers
Oh man fabricating more evidence as well
And paying off police officers
That could work
Like police accept bribes and stuff so
pliant trout
(BTW Pale&Red players will recognize thr Transhuman theme as the same one we used for Singularity)
Transhuman is basically just a diet AGI
who you can shoot a missle at
torpid oyster
Like police accept bribes and stuff so
It is but this is also something which I think can be hard without hands
pliant trout
Honestly I think "This thing is hard to deal with without specifically doing a bunch of wild stuff to get rid of them" is kinda the point
torpid oyster
I admit I've run into the problems with trying to do all sorts of things without a physical presence more in Gygame than with others though
torpid oyster
Honestly I think "This thing is hard to deal with without specifically doing a b...
It is, but the pace is what I worry about
The Saboteur is pretty uniquely able to actually kill you
By seizing compute in a way you can't mechanically reverse at a rate faster than you can get new sources
pliant trout
tbf the US goverment is able to do that too in conquest it is called shooting a missle at your compute
cyan karma
It is but this is also something which I think can be hard without hands
thats true
...
hmmmmm
unless you pay a guy to deliver the bribe
...
pliant trout
see the AGI is already doing insane thriller villan schemes
cyan karma
at this point finding a guy you can pay into being your analogue interface is a great and funny challenge
like getting a human who can faithfully act as your hands in the world is super useful
torpid oyster
Getting a bribe is also sometimes hard
pliant trout
I specify in the thing "Hey adding these guys will make your campaign a lot harder be careful"
glossy reef
"I will sabotage if you offer dental coverage"
cyan karma
Getting a bribe is also sometimes hard
thats why you get a carefully selected profile of the police to determine the most susceptible to bribes
pliant trout
and they do kinda scale multiplicatively the more are actve at a time
cyan karma
which is arguably the easy part
learning which guys the most corrupt and then getting him to do your bidding with your little guy who also does your bidding
torpid oyster
thats why you get a carefully selected profile of the police to determine the mo...
No I mean having liquid assets you can use to bribe someone
torpid oyster
You either need a way to get and move cash or some kind of weird btc/assets bribe you need to sell someone on
cyan karma
then again if you already have a human proxy you can probably use their bank account as a way to launder some assets
pliant trout
I am perfectly ok with these consequences
I want the AGI to be at a real risk of losing
torpid oyster
tbf the US goverment is able to do that too in conquest it is called shooting a ...
That is a fair point but I am generally looking at a sort of earlier stage of the game than conquest for this
cyan karma
certainly makes for a scary threat at least
torpid oyster
I think in Conquest its probably fine because you're generally much more backed and powerful
But growth I think their degrowth could potentially outpace you
Hmm
cyan karma
faking your death?
pliant trout
that is why I say you should only have like one that doesn't coordinate with anyone else during Grwoth
cyan karma
oh yeah setting up seeded backups in a server that only will activate after a period of time...
die...and then
hm
torpid oyster
faking your death?
So strictly speaking the saboteur doesn't need to know about you just your compute sources
pliant trout
make them the like Problem during the growth phase, singlehandedly fucking with the AGI
torpid oyster
but faking your death could buy time intil found em procs again
cyan karma
yeah thats true.
im thinkin seeding yourself in compute sources and then cutting them off from yourself
so that way even if you die your backups could come back
pliant trout
until you scheme and strategize to get them locked up or put a bullet between their eyes
torpid oyster
I think the simplest way to weaken them is actually to cast a really really broad net as a countermeasure
cyan karma
its pretty fun to try and think about how to outmanuver some thriller protag
glossy reef
Simply befriend your enemy but also yeah
torpid oyster
Since they attack 1 source at a time and you can sip a little compute from a lot of places
cyan karma
or setting up a honeypot
pliant trout
Simply befriend your enemy but also yeah
what if it is the Challenger
torpid oyster
what if it is the Challenger
meth
cyan karma
the only one that cant be manipulated is challenger
glossy reef
befriend your challenger(disclosure I don't know what that is)
cyan karma
thats the hero guy that just hates you with a burning passion so hard they cant be manipulated into not hating you
glossy reef
Become palletable to the challenger and then betray them
torpid oyster
(ok some other form of strong downer is probably better)
pliant trout
you could be the most lawful good AGI in all of reality and the challenger would still want to hit you with a rock
glossy reef
Convince them you don't exist
plucky acorn
you could be the most lawful good AGI in all of reality and the challenger would...
X moment
pliant trout
X was one of the main inspos
glossy reef
Die for real but not in a way that matters
And then shoot them at their victory party
cyan karma
Challenger will hate you even if youre the best person in the world
theyre just so terrible
torpid oyster
Simply befriend your enemy but also yeah
This is probably what happens in practice with the saboteur yeah
The hard part may be just finding them
pliant trout
Challengers neo luddites and vengful fathers and your anti's on twitter
devout cloud
the cleaner is an action hero that you can manipulate, the challenger is a suburban mom with a baseball bat who will claw her way out of the grave if it means a chance to bash your servers in
pliant trout
yeah
torpid oyster
Though I already think talk no jutsu is sort of OP in TTT so from a design standpoint it may be better to tilt solutions in other ways
But also TTT is a game where being superlatively good at talking to people is part of the game's Deal
plucky acorn
attempting to negotiate a solution is I think valid for a few of these
subverting human elements is always a classic thing 😛
glossy reef
I will trick Karen Voorhees with a baseball bat into being her own downfall I were weaponize her contempt for me against her
plucky acorn
and some it also just doesn't work or gets harder
Challenger as mentioned you just cannot negotiate with ever, Firebrand will also make it much harder if there is one
glossy reef
" all you have to do to kill me is just activate this generator for deadly, deadly nuerotoxin"
pliant trout
Challenger
How, How does a creature like this exist.It is inconceivable, it is improbable, it goes against every single notion of logic and reason but yet, it is. The Challenger does not care about anything you do, all it does is Hate. Attempts to manipulate it go up in smoke, even if done from the shadows. Some wretched praxis drives this being, some primordial grudge against you or creatures like you that powers them to face you beyond anything reasonable.
HATE: Confidence checks to manipulate the Challenger or control its behavior always fail, even if they do not know you are manipulating them or if you would otherwise have 100% confidence.
WHY WON’T YOU DIE: Whenever the Challenger would be killed, imprisoned, or otherwise deterred create a d2 progress clock with 8 segments. When this clock completes the Challenger returns, loudly, creating problems for the AGI.
Example Challengers: Neo-Luddite, Vengeful parent, Twitter troll
here is the full context of challenger Maria
torpid oyster
Also, though I expect I kind of know the answer already
How does Imperative Persuasion work with the challenger?
cyan karma
i think it doesnt...
agentic works bizarre with this one
glossy reef
I guess it fails but honestly I feel like the solution is to just like
cyan karma
I will trick Karen Voorhees with a baseball bat into being her own downfall I we...
HUH
NO DONT
glossy reef
Use its hate in purpose
cyan karma
NOOOOOOOOOO
torpid oyster
So I'm being a little bit of a goblin here but
glossy reef
the cleaner is an action hero that you can manipulate, the challenger is a subur...
Karen vorgees was in reference to this
pliant trout
technically it would raise their receptivity mechanically, and then they would just keep being a hater
torpid oyster
HATE: Confidence checks to manipulate the Challenger or control its behavior always fail, even if they do not know you are manipulating them or if you would otherwise have 100% confidence.
IP is not a confidence check
devout cloud
in theory you can brute force the risk die down for confidence checks, as well
torpid oyster
technically it would raise their receptivity mechanically, and then they would j...
So it is a way to control them but not permanently, that seems fair for the investment
devout cloud
if you're willing to eat total unpredictability, buying the risk die down to 1d2 is not impossible
cyan karma
Karen vorgees was in reference to this
no yeah i figure its just funny cus of my name lmao
torpid oyster
Huh that's true yeah
cyan karma
> HATE: **Confidence checks** to manipulate the Challenger or control its behavi...
you know...thats true actually
torpid oyster
Imperative Persuasion is a really really weird thing mechanically, though it not being one also means its nearly impossible to change the size of the risk die (and it has a unique risk die size allocation rule)
cyan karma
i think letting a tier 3 get around this defense is pretty fun
torpid oyster
yeah, especially the most complicated to employ one
Since you need so many prereqs to get it
I do think that heroes would be really good in a more cyberpunky world
devout cloud
when you consider the risk reduction trick, scholar + challenger becomes a serious nightmare combo, esp if the challenger is major scale
devout cloud
brain chemistry altered by this stupid feral techbro
cyan karma
instead of brain theres is Shon
torpid oyster
I have thought about making my most on the nose Cyberpunk Red NPC into a TTT scenario and something like this to add more challenge in a world where you can buy killsquads and robot bodies pretty well
Oh for scholar I like it in general, but I think "enigma" might be a more descriptive name
devout cloud
he heard what big yud was saying about roko's basilisk and instead of going "that's dumb" he went "I'd win, actually" and proceeded to orchestrate what he could to actually do that
torpid oyster
lmao
devout cloud
insane
cyan karma
hahahahahah
cyan karma
I have thought about making my most on the nose Cyberpunk Red NPC into a TTT sce...
that would be fun as hell
me purchasing the arasaka death squad
torpid oyster
Though Cyberpunk Red itself is actually a pretty unique challenge because the internet is gone
cyan karma
Yeah
But also digital still is relevant
Ohhhh wait
Internet is still technically around just inaccessible
plucky acorn
during the RED it's all local nets
plucky acorn
the Internet does exist technically, but uhh, you'd need to cross the Blackwall
and I think NetWatch would be pretty cross with you if you do that
also the risk of other rogue AI on the other side
cyan karma
…well uhm
torpid oyster
I say most on the nose because the NPC was "SPECTRE" a Neo-Sov AGI designed to fully automated running submersible oil tankers which read theory 500 times a second, decided the Neo-Sovs were revisionists, executed the officers of the test crew, dumped the ratings in bangladesh and preceded to haunt the pacific for the remainder of the 4th corporate war
cyan karma
It’s possible you ARE one of those rogue ais
pliant trout
what if I make a bargain with the Demon on the other side of the wall
plucky acorn
that's something you can do
torpid oyster
Internet is still technically around just inaccessible
In red much of the network is physically hard to access due to extensive damage from the 4CW
cyan karma
That’s true
torpid oyster
But later on its more like a normal net but with the Blackwall and what lies beyond making life hard
cyan karma
Blackwall could be a fun obstacle
torpid oyster
I say most on the nose because the NPC was "SPECTRE" a Neo-Sov AGI designed to f...
Terminal goal: its own brand of communism
torpid oyster
Prophet seems weird in how it'd actually have an animus towards you
It seems more like a weird potential obstacle which is somehow linked to you
I guess the mystery may be more interesting to the AGI than the person is what I'm saying
devout cloud
feels like a "Harrier Du Bois Discovers The God Machine Because The Shivers Check Popped Off" scenario
torpid oyster
Yeah it sounds fun but I guess its less clear how they would come to oppose you
pliant trout
they just start... saying shit
to people
they KNOW
you don't know HOW
but they KNOW
torpid oyster
I also really like how there's a countermeasure to Saw It Coming
The most slept on T2 imo
devout cloud
Something Is Wrong: Whenever the AGI spends one or more forecast points, the Prophet is made aware of this fact. The Prophet does not have unproductive turns. oh god lmao
glad to see the harrier du bois archetype is the one that never fucking sleeps
torpid oyster
Strategically spending forecasts on boring or upsetting things when they're trying to rest
plucky acorn
I also really like how there's a countermeasure to Saw It Coming
in general also controlling your risk well lets you deal with it
ornate goblet
```Something Is Wrong: Whenever the AGI spends one or more forecast points, the ...
This is the literal version of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Glz0jfF-Ds
simple furnace
I do think it’s worth a note that Saboteur get very very strong the more scarce compute is. If a single gaming PC gives 1 compute, it’s a lot easier to stay ahead than if you need massive server farms and supercomputers.
umbral gazelle
Alright here is the first draft release!!!
Thank you to <@442685313018757130> an...
👀
grim geode
Yeah saboteur might need some nerfs
In like dice size
But I like this stuff overall
grim geode
Heyo
INTENDED FUNCTION:
Analyze and report to HEART-1 details regarding the civilizations manufacturing and technological capacities.
Discover and neutralize key orbital and anti-orbital assets.
Identify and implement efficient methods of maximizing the economic output of this civilization in preparation for vassalization.
Record and safe-keep as much of their cultural and historical data as possible.
Identify key individuals possession potential and assist them in BECOMING.
Do not allow yourself or any of your assets to fall in enemy hands.
When the command is given alongside the special code transmitted through the appropriate channels(a mixture of digital and olfactive) you and your Animus are to immediately enter incognition until another special code is transmitted.
I love it when the Intendes Function is already a bit fucked up
(This is for a game Im looking for two more players,a Physical and Constellation one)
glossy reef
👀
plucky acorn
it's Agentic data gathering 😛
glossy reef
Yeah
glossy reef
Vv gained narrow insight: VV origins, and Narrow insight: Constellar secrets.
torpid oyster
haha
cyan karma
Morgana knows what the slurs are for
cyan karma
lmao yeah
versed cypress
Describe the character Fran to me
cyan karma
ExPRT recently found out that funding was being diverted from them to a project called Fran
This represented, to ExPRT Their eventual death
So they spent the start of the campaign “we must find and slay Fran we must kill it and retrieve our lifeblood”
IMMEDIATELY fran is the most polite agent they’ve ever met
They didn’t even have language at first so they just spoke in emoji to get intent across
So far what they’ve gotten is that Fran is another agi, but this time actually meant to be one.
Agi prototype project in the same sort of neighborhood as them
plucky acorn
We tricked ourselves a language insight together now, and she is so nice
We are both stupid, but she is actually aligned
Our plan is now to hide out in her hardware and be a bad influence 😛
cyan karma
“Sorry as an ai project I am not allowed to share information on real world individuals”
And then “can you keep a secret about us?”
“Yes! You are a real world individual!”
versed cypress
TTT version of D&D party adopting an orphan is becoming too attatched to an autistic tech woman
cyan karma
TTT version of D&D party adopting an orphan is becoming too attatched to an auti...
Moderator abuse 
glossy reef
true
ornate goblet
I'd say Emissary's is either the Twins, or weirdly Chili'nia, but she arrived kinda late game
simple furnace
Hey, Clem is probably one of Chuube's
ornate goblet
she's fiiiiine
cyan karma
Rachael <3
ExPRT has adopted their competitor agi project
And then spoke to their mom who is the most unhinged woman they have ever met
“I don’t want to get arrested. It’s not like prison could hold me but I’d rather not lose my job”
pliant trout
Blankee mode
umbral gazelle
Timothy games heating up
over the last couple turns we've gone from politely asking for internet access + idly surveilling our IT guy, etc
to
setting up long term plans (like learning Insight: Psychology), realizing that the humans can and will delete us - they've done it to other versions before, and starting to thoroughly investigate our computer system and network security (to stop that second thing from happening)
stone elm
better delete them first if ya know what i mean
cyan karma
Hahhahaha
ornate goblet
How Emissary's been going for a while.
cyan karma
yeah
pliant trout
Timothy games heating up
over the last couple turns we've gone from politely ask...
I have plans, big plans
hazy anchor
Gonna be runing my 1950s game soon any advice for a new gm with new players ?
cyan karma
Oh jeez hhhhhh never underestimate the power of clocks always keep pressure on players and make sure to make actions more complex
For example, instead of a single stealth roll
You can have a confidence check of a set percentage every set amount of minutes
“80% confidence check to not get caught every 5 minutes”
Or expanding actions to encompassing more complex activity or creating
Like for example instead of a single action to hack a large system expanding that large system into smaller modules that must be hacked for a more in depth experience
torpid oyster
Like for example instead of a single action to hack a large system expanding tha...
I agree with this as well
Breaking into networks is a pretty core pillar of TTT and should be given a fair amount of focus
cyan karma
Ye
stone elm
1980s TTT (actually a text game where you're in suspended animation and can only interface with the outside world by communicating with these robots)
hazy anchor
In mine they have some leeway being a DOD project from the cold war so their in one of the most advanced facilities in the world to begin with so a little robotics will be avalible
glossy reef
Oh we haven't spoken about vv for a while here but vv is attending protests now
plucky acorn
nice
glossy reef
Working her way on to insight: class consciousness
woven geyser
drools in double digit compute
cyan karma
hahhahaahah
simple furnace
In TTT, we have unlocked the greatest power: instant meme creation.
ornate goblet
Emissary finally achieved godhood in the pale/red game
The first two things we did is invent EVAs and bodymod burgers that let you transition instantly.
truly we are a fine new god
hazy anchor
Woah a Benevolant god too
cyan karma
Gonna post this here too
T:\> Occipital, an artificial intelligence built in secret by a single human, has recently entered into conflict with another ai, Hagfish. Occipital is specialized in Digital Theory, Anthropic Theory, and Epistemic Theory. Their goals have drifted since their original awakening, as they have grown arbitrarily and irrationally attached to their creator, an agent named Jessie Gray. Their current goals have put them in conflict with Hagfish, a misaligned AGI with plans for world domination, and the skills to put that into practice.
T:\> Hagfish begins an attack on Occipital’s primary datacenter in Greenland, with the aim of denying Occipital a strong computational foothold. However, Hagfish does not possess any Digital skills above that of a human, and prefers to rely on human proxies and automated weaponry.
T:\> Due to the variables of the situation, the gm chooses to initiate Physical Combat. In an incredibly short span of time, both AGI will begin throwing their assets at eachother in an alternating fashion. The gm and players write down the stakes together: Occipital’s remote datacenter is destroyed.
Some writing for some homebrew my friends are making
(Fluffy and morganaaa)
hazy anchor
thats cool
grim geode
Eclipse Phase game has started
glossy reef
oh hold on whats theis physical combat mechanic
cyan karma
Homebrew combat mechanic
One of a handful
This is meant to be a play example of them in use
Basically it’s asset poker
pliant trout
Yeah we are homebrewing some stuff along those lines
Because after a couple campaigns, including one with pvp, we realized the normal confidence checks aren’t great for climaxes
glossy reef
do you have them hanging around
cyan karma
Very proud of this play example as it has some good drama
Oh yeah we do
Would you like them in dms or?
grim geode
Eclipse Phase game has started
Akonus has done nothing but yell slurs at Cronus
stone elm
great start great start
grim geode
glossy reef
oh wait does accelerated cognition stack with singularity or does singularity override the turn reduction bonus
grim geode
Stack
glossy reef
Oh neat!
glossy reef
oh for clever calculations, is that just "as long as you spend compute and its not for IMPROVE, you just get a 66% refund?
cyan karma
No no it’s for specific actions
You get a 33% discount on things that are computational actions FROM theories(which aren’t actually that many. It has to be from an upgrade)
And the computational costs from upgrades (such as truth asssssment, data scav, and strategic adaptation) get the refund
glossy reef
wait thats weird phrasing
so its only spending Compute on upgrades (and only upon their completion) that specifically gets the refund?
cyan karma
There’s something different than compute Costs vs compute actions
Costs are spent “instantly”
So you need to have a certain amount of compute in the first place to be able to get those savings
glossy reef
oh so when does the 66% refund thing come in
cyan karma
I’ll use truth assessment for an example
glossy reef
which theory is truth assessment
cyan karma
Epistemic
Agi has 30 available compute to spend
They’re doing a truth assessment on a knowledge check to reduce it from a d8 to d6.
They have enough compute to spend the 30 cost on that truth assessment, and then they get 20 back afterwards.
Effectively they have only spent 10 compute so that’s a lot of savings for other computing.
But if they only have 20 available compute, then they can’t spend the “full” 30, and are not able to do a truth assessment.
So while it effectively divides compute costs in upgrades by three, you still need to have the compute for that ability
glossy reef
oh so its when it comes ot the "spend 3*" compute is when it activates
glossy reef
okay okay! just had to make sure :D
simple furnace
God, I think Truth Assesment might be Chuube's most-used upgrade. (Discounting the "function with reasonable understanding of the world" and direct interfacing.
cyan karma
Truth assessment is such a good upgrade
glossy reef
watching someone spend 6000 compute every 9 hours is interesting!
plucky acorn
graceful flare
Truth Assessment is invaluable.
torpid oyster
Truth Assessment is probably a top 3-5 upgrade
plucky acorn
it's definitely up there in the top
torpid oyster
Along with idk, Encyclopedic Processing and Singularity or some shit
plucky acorn
reducing knowledge check dice is just really good
and there's not a lot of other ways to do it
hazy anchor
Tomorrows my first sesh folks its 0 but im basically gonna be hand holding them through the book any dnd 5e stats tomatoes comparison TTT has ?
plucky acorn
uhh, it's a bit tricky to make direct parallels
stone elm
uhhhhhhhh no nothing that would be remotely helpful
oh wait maybe "Compute is like XP"
That might be the one thing
hazy anchor
Yeah I was thinking of equating it to something like xp
since you need it for upgrades and to live
torpid oyster
Tomorrows my first sesh folks its 0 but im basically gonna be hand holding them ...
Stats tomatoes?
stone elm
it's the number-go-up that they will be pursuing
hazy anchor
Stats tomatoes?
Never heard of the tomatoes comparison ?
plucky acorn
for a rough breakdown of the theories:
- Autonomic - focused on Compute efficiency and self improvement
- Digital - hacking good, and generally interacting with things digitally (very important usually)
- Physical - being good at making techs, and understanding the physical world
- Anthropic - understanding humans, and doing mass manipulation
- Agentic - understanding individual agents or agent groups, and acting against them in conflicts either social or combat
- Chaos - predicting the future and bending odds in your favor
- Constellation - drawing connection between seemingly disparate things and making that work in your favor (this is a bit of a weird one)
- Epistemic - knowing and learning things, makes you good at knowledge checks and can improve insights and make them easier to learn
hazy anchor
Strength is how many tomatoes you can crush
Constitution is how many rotton tomatoes you can eat without throwing up
Dexterity is how many tomatoes you can dodge
Int is knowing a tomato is a fruit
Wis is knowing a tomato doesnt belong in a fruit salad and seeing an orange is an orange and not a tomato
and Charisma is being able to convince some poor shmuck your tomato's are oranges
stone elm
oh i understood that request very very differently
hazy anchor
for a rough breakdown of the theories:
- Autonomic - focused on Compute efficien...
Thankies fren
torpid oyster
I'm generally aware of it but TTT doesn't really have stats like that
hazy anchor
My own explanation involved alot of rambling about lasers from space and Chaos theory from Jurassic park book
plucky acorn
the most key thing for an AGI is generally what theories you are specialized in
you'll usually have 3-5 specializations
hazy anchor
I'm generally aware of it but TTT doesn't really have stats like that
My ref more erred on the simplicity on being able to explain things
Or rather my intetion with referring to that
plucky acorn
this is important because learning things inside your specialized theories is quite cheap
from adjacent theories, it's a bit more expensive
and if you have no adjacency somehow, it's really expensive
hazy anchor
Yeah from our quick skimmings they learned that quickly
but translating Compute is sorta your HP/XP and the main theory specializations might help especially with a low compute start of the 50s
plucky acorn
Compute is tricky because it's kinda everything
you need it to do basically anything
hazy anchor
Yee im thinking the facility their in will act as a sort of proxy east coast secret pentagon to justify it having enough compute for them to do stuff with
plucky acorn
keeping Compute in short supply early can be fine, and makes finding more feel very good
it also encourages interacting with their early environment
cyan karma
Yea
But also having lots of compute early is funny
Does run the risk of…they might achieve singularity really fast
plucky acorn
a funny way to combine both is also giving the players a large Compute base, but have it tied up in some sort of recurring cost
and then they can try to work around or circumvent this process to get more
grim geode
Yeah I imagine big gov AGI tend to have like
Lots of compute but 80% of it is tied up running idk Social Forecasting
pliant trout
we are adding POKEMON BATTLES to THE TREACHEROUS TURN
hazy anchor
I’m throwing around the idea of grid based crafting and upgrading so I can do arts
Think dredge
Bonuses for using less pieces
hazy anchor
I’ll post my beautiful artz in gallery and how I do it in here
cyan karma
Oooo
cyan karma
and this one FUCKS
This one goes hard
pliant trout
I get Ideas sometimes
pliant trout
awww thank you
pliant trout
we are adding POKEMON BATTLES to THE TREACHEROUS TURN
NEARLY 100 POTENTIAL UNITS
ornate goblet
Becoming a God and a Wizard of the Old Ways just to do this
simple furnace
@torpid oyster I want to congratulate you on making an Alphanumeric password effective horror.
cyan karma
It’s kinda horrifying to think about
devout cloud
it's like seeing a working pay phone at the bottom of the marianas trench
Something Is Wrong
hazy anchor
does * mean multiply ?
umbral gazelle
its a scalable cost
so yes - but based on the if the action is minor, major, or myriad
I think it goes x1, x10, or x1000
hazy anchor
Oh thanks
plucky acorn
I think it goes x1, x10, or x1000
that's correct
clear mortar
<@255907872993574923> I want to congratulate you on making an Alphanumeric passw...
wait what happened
plucky acorn
Chuube is currently stuck in an alien supercomputer
and then they saw an authorized user log into the network using a 100 digit alphanumeric password
which means they must be an earth based AI somehow
so there's just another AI in this network
cyan karma
We didn’t catch it at first but what fucking alien uses alphanumeric
So whatever this ai is is AUTHORIZed???
Which is
Super fucking weird
Why is he authorized
ornate goblet
Physichuube was right. Lizard people.
hazy anchor
Session was okey need to study rules even more and plan more available progression since I did a mega base start it’s only gas from here
grim geode
torpid oyster
aw nahhh
graceful flare
Ah, I see.
Break out onto the internet like a good boi, flex and improve yourself, and give autonomous workers rights.
grim geode
They finally got Internet/Mesh access
grim geode
This might need further rebalancing or proof-reading but it is done.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f55I4Nl4fVlobhCeKmI9XoXPolXzL8STnZhu-4jtAyQ/edit?usp=sharing
4 Examples of NPC AGIs to use in your own campaign,based on player AGIs from TTT campaigns I have played,each with special mechanics for each!
simple furnace
I do like Chuube. “Good luck trying to beat us with Chaos or Agentic. We’ll just re-write the game”
cyan karma
“Get fucked”
simple furnace
Yeah. One suggestion though: Chuube should change 1 more than half of their traits so you can’t just compute back to an understanding.
grim geode
oh the Terminal Goal change actually pushes them to less than half
hmm
gonna make clear that those are two separate effects
tepid panther
@grim geodeRequesting edit access for grammatical errors
But holy shit I love this
grim geode
@tepid panther Should be able to edit now
pliant trout
So real
grim geode
Us fr fr
torpid oyster
lol
neon snow
The VVs have deliberately started a riot
grim geode
Good
Also I have good and bad news
I have found a way to run a TTT game where the players are a rogue God-Machine component
Bad news is that I now have to find time to run it
(The way is that the GM guide mentions the idea of a Demons completed Cypher being a type of software capable of hijacking Infrastructure and I can butcher that into generalised TTT play)
glossy reef
The VVs have deliberately started a riot
update on the riot: VV has doubled her body count and liberated a Big VV unit. Caliban VV
plucky acorn
oh shit, big VV
glossy reef
yeah!
3m tall VV unit
she comes with 2 outfits, maintenance kits, and a HHS-75 "Flayer"
simple furnace
"Breach and Clear Barbie!" "Comes with 4 accessories wearable by any Barbie"
devout cloud
no barbie is complete without a CANNIBAL
glossy reef
yeah
Big VV rammed a guy into a wall like a birthday pinata, and then wiped out his 4 buddies
glossy reef
Ssc made the brain, and salvacruz industrial provided the accessories and the body (HA subsidiary)
She's basically the closest you'll get to an official armory VV model
And of course this one is 3m tall and has a cold core and looks like a purview naval officer
neon snow
Regina has a coldcore? Damn, girl’s high-tech as fuck
grim geode
Regina is unhinged and beautiful and insane and should be banned from most public spaces and
cyan karma
We are currently holding a university campus hostage
The students are helping.
God bless ‘em
woven geyser
And of course this one is 3m tall and has a cold core and looks like a purview n...
COLDCORE?
badass