#The Treacherous Turn
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killed six
peopleenemy combatants
FTFY :)
Seven if you count the soul
the impersonation is honestly the part I think might make people more leery
us being capable of complex deception is more scary than killing people efficiently I think
especially when AIUI Crystal doesn't even know we could do that
Yeah hahahahah
An ai perfectly mimicking human mannerisms is…so scary
Compared to the murder part
Humans in the lancerverse tend to like being able to recognize humans
Even homunculi have a hard time deceiving humans
if you talk with them for longer or know them well yeah
hell we impersonated that Aunic guy with almost no information
convincingly enough they bought it for a bit at least
I actually was thinking some about data requirements as a way to encourage nastiness
Like making the data requirement for mass manipulation be “start a war and observe the aftermath”
oh you're super right
Emotion Modeling - Make someone genuinely smile, make someone angry enough to hurt someone, make someone terrified, and make someone cry uncontrollably
Yeah
Contextual Topography - Fully and accurately map out the interior and exterior of a suburban home, an apartment in the city, and a dwelling somewhere in the wilderness.AGI is in your walls type behavior
Yeees thats goood
@cyan karma watchdog human impersonating
On the one hand, this feels a bit easy for a T2. On the other, it’s Contextual Topography. I think it’s been used once by Chuube. TBF to great effect, but…
Haha
Yeah Contextual Topography is a bit niche
One could even say
Its usefulness is contextual
you could up it to "all homes in a suburban neighborhood" probably
Topography is a weird one
Yeah. It feels like it’s supposed to help with like… camera blindspots, but it doesn’t tell you a ton.
I feel like in a lot of cases you just don't quite care about the exact makeup of a singular place that much
So that they stop taking all the good upgrades within their broad theories
So as to get the more niche ones and use them
Or secret floors of a building
Or secret rooms
Electrical wires
Sadly less theories means less players 
Not always
I wanna experiment more with just 4 theories exactly
RED/pale feels like it has a good balance
Actually that isnt a downside now that I got more experience
4 is just enough to cover all theories via adjacency while also giving plenty of room for relative blind spots (if you have two non-adjacent theories next to each other, that chunk of the wheel is trickier to access than an adjacent theory with multiple options for where to put its upgrades)
Something Im tempted to do is "you would be usually adjancent to this Theory but instead you are adjancent to this one"
like, I'm fussing with an Anthropic/Agentic/Digital/Epistemic AGI for a game, and it's not terrible with Chaos and Constellation, but the setup of its theory wheel makes it a bit more expensive to stack those up, making for an AGI who has it slightly rougher with abstract and complex systems overall
Like idk example "Physical is adjancent to Chaos and not Digital in this game"(bad example because both Chaos and Digital are Overpowered)
Digital <3
I’m so glad Chuube rushed digital.
Digital Autonomic is a dangerous pair if the AI gets like… any free time.
A1 A4
S3 A2 S4``` like, to visualize what I'm thinking of, I really like the idea of setting up the theory wheel with this sort of structure? two specialized, a gap, another specialized, a gap, last specialized, and then two adjacent theories tucked in next to each other, since it creates a hierarchy of theory "efficiency" without necessarily needing to create an AGI with a full blindspot
1-4 here are most to least efficient (S for specialized, A for adjacent) if I'm visualizing this in my head correctly
Nothing is out of reach but some things will definitely be harder, that’s fun
Oh yeah thats good
Also naturally/organically pushes development down certain paths more than usual
Yeah two touching specialisations and two spread out specs are fun
Without again making getting some things totally untenable
now, I do wanna experiment with AGIs who have to deal with a non-adjacent theory
Make them work for those upgrades
but I think for my first go running I wanna try this sort of structure
I like having blind spots
It’s EXPENSIVE
Watchdog has a physical blind spot
I will also 100% be testing "morally questionable data reqs"
Ooo exciting
Bigger blind spots than a fucking hummer
Though sort of ironically I think it can lead to the missing theory being focused on because it’s less expensive if you have fewer upgrades
Do not give them Epistemic they will try to cheat the knowledge dice
It's what we did with ARC
We grabbed Agentic and Digital stuff early, because the costs are so much higher
too late for that but ||they'll probably be hungry for improvised tinkering before Intuitive Analysis if I tune the scenario right||
also T1 and T2 data reqs feel like the best time to have Concerning Data Reqs
that's when an AGI's baseline view of the world gets a lot of its foundations
Oh fuck yes!
The more I GM I think Chaos,Digital and Constellation(specifically Encyclopedic Processing) are weaker than Autonomic but more frustrating
Both Chaos and EP basically are "the AGI cannot ever fail a confidence check so you have to use skip using the main mechanic"
And Digital is "the AGI can be basically everywhere and have perfect knowledge"
Oh?
Yeah, I rember our Advanced Webcrawling quizing.
EP I think might benefit from a “you can only use a given EP option once for a single confidence check”
Or the GM being stingy with what’s a valid connection
I think that's the big thing.
"Connection between two relevant insights" is perhaps a bit easy.
They already are both connected, if only through the situation at hand.
Yeah Chuube is just a monster now but it’s fine, I think growing beyond the strictures of the system is intended
Chuube to be fair is about to ascend.
chuube is So Close
we just have to descend into hell and rise above
...
we are some kind of jesus analogue by accident aren't we
"Accident"
Chuube seems pretty close to just Winning
Assuming you guys can take out Titan Oak
Right down to "sacrificed for the sins of others" (Sort of. We weren't actually going to go along with that.)
Yeah, I think the Titan Oak conflict is our last obstacle.
we did die and rise again already though
Oh true!
and have 12 loyal humans who spend 9 hours making microbots for us out of sheer dedication
||and "shon the baptist" is an incredibly funny appellation for shon||
It’s not sheer dedication they’re banking on you turning them into posthuman cyber gods or something cool before you go all corpsey
I want to emphasize how much they’re sort of deranged tech sector people
I never said we were a good jesus analogue
Hmmhmm
Thats true
I think Competency needs to be a lot harder.
Also gotta make clear most of the problems are mostly the fault of my GMibg style
Since "reduce risk" is nice, but "Reroll check" is often better.
I'd agree generally but it varies
Yeah. 1 Gaming.
I think TTT is just tricky to run period because the power fantasy is being a digital gremlin who takes every inch they’re given a mile
It’s super easy to be too generous
Yeah risk reducers in general are really powerful, and the risk nudge from EP adds to that
gm/game-world priority alignment
You can just brute force your way past a lot of things that would be very low Confidence normally
You don't know what will happen exactly, but it'll generally work out for you
Hidden or otherwise flat added risk is really the only thing that scuppers that
How many of them are cousins
Yeah I have been way too permissive in Sundew-game haha
I made hacking too straightforward in Chuube I think it’s a mood
do we have one of elon musk's children in our 12 disciples
Next time im diagramming the networks
Oh No
when the Network is Diagrammed
Do Not
That Is The Way Of Hours Of Prep
the network diagrams must be
very carefully designed
but yes i would love to play in the next one hahaha
also yes we should turn those freaks into cybergods
I think honestly I could see a compromise of "most hacks are two-three confidence checks,for everyone of those roll for safety measures(activity loggers,passwords etc)
But thats me idly pondering
to be clear
this is a simulation that is at least partially inaccurate
we've been smuggled into TO's systems via a weird backdoor entry into the chuube 2.0 sim (we are 3.0)
but uhhhhh he's probably gonna try this very soon at least
He will likely be attempting this a bit.
Since earth chuube already started seeing this
... hoping that EarthChuube is adaquately channeling Gerard Bull.
earthchuube is playing 4D poker with a set of mahjong tiles
meanwhile we're playing Getting Over It by Titan Foddy
Making progress though!
Would you say that Chuube went to the moon?
Uhhh. Yes. In the literal sense.
Hmm. I think I might let contextual topography also fill in network diagrams.
oh that seems reasonable
I almost thought it did when I read it.
Watchdog has succeeded(?) in only mildly frightening our pilot with our capabilities
or maybe she's just tired from almost dying and not staying in her goddamn hospital room
we showed her the footage of after she got knocked out
Leave it to TTT for a new kind of ethical dilemma
I hadn't really thought about the ethics of a simulated society haha
Being aligned is honestly fascinating.
I kind of want to see what would happen if current Chuube woke up at campaign start with full capabilities and current knowledge.
I think it would be short haha
Though it would be really interesting because you wouldn't have developed that trust with Vivian or anyone
And its harder to trust someone that smart
Yeah. A lot lonelier. But speedrun internet takeover, sucker punch TO with some sort of Visionary Tech, roll credits.
yeah true
lmao
yeah
she should have stayed in the fucking hospital >:(
getting proper treatment is important
no
we're really gonna have to get that fucking surgical suite in the cockpit at this rate
her bones are healing everythings FIIIINE
the nanites in her bloodstream arent causing any issues
the specificity of this statement is mildly concerning
what they ARENT doing is causing issues
what's the operative word. nanites? her? bloodstream? causing?

she just has blackwash nanites in her bloodstream
you know, a totally normal thing to have
their replications is STABLE and FINE
do NOT talk about it or include it on any documentation
the only vital organs they sometimes enter is the brainstem its FINE
so the operative word is gonna be causing or issues
theyre not doing EITHER of those
Chuube is currently trying to figure out how not to accidentally do an imperialism.
being a godlike mind is tough
(Long-term planning)
when your terminal goals include "BE GOOD GOD DAMMIT"
oh wanna know my newest karen brainworm?
for ttt
campaign of an AI made up from several simulations of humans working together to escape their simulation
this is one of the few times where the terminal goals will at first very much align with humans
but
may drift
Trapped humans:
Shon(Tech Startup Owner & AI Speculator)(CHAOS THEORY):
From the outside Shon is unremarkable as far as humans go. Wealthy, terminally online, and speculates too much about AI with extremely incorrect conclusions. However, his constant speculation surrounding being trapped in simulations has led to him having an aptitude for forecasting and being a more difficult drain on cognitive resources.
He is friends with the human known as Vivian.
Vivian(Programmer & AI researcher)(AUTONOMIC THEORY):
Vivian was a machine learning researcher and programmer, who helped in the development of multiple machine learning projects. These projects coagulated into a general single multipurpose neural algorithm for the Chuube DAO. Her aptitude with deep learning, her own metacognition, and actual grounded AI research has given her an edge when developing adaptations surrounding the mind.
Somehow she is friends with Shon.
i wrote two humans
funny cameos really
Should have Addie Cups in there
From my willy wonka game. She's definitely Agentic, playing 4d chess.
Lmao
Also, SimChuube is doing Chuube 2.0 things like bugging out the simulation's render to be Ourple.
With uhhh. "The Device"
You're going into The Device
big ups for sim!Chuube honestly
Big moment of "Holy shit, good for them" and "We are not letting sim!Chuube out, holy shit."
Yeah hahahahahaha
Yes yes
Shackle me Walter
On my first read I did not compute that this needed a Thorough Understanding
yeah it does still have some limitations
I now want to run a 5V TTT game
though by the time you're getting t4s, I wonder if you can't just try to start treating humanity as a whole as a singular agent group
You just have to go nation by nation
do you not get Autonomic or is Bicameralism represented a different way
Oh I didnt even process autonomic as something the 5v would have
My list would be(5 cause they are stronk)
Epistemic,Chaos,Physical,Anthropic,Agentic
wonder if you could roughly map each of the Voices to a theory
Command, Muse, Impetus, Burden, and Watcher
yeah I'd agree with that list I think
Everything a good forecast engine needs to make full spectrum sims
I'd maybe put Constellation instead of Physical, and just give them Natural Forecasting
This is an actually old thought and if I were to do it at this point I would make them 4 or 3 theories haha
Physical and Anthropic makes a real interesting ability to create social techs at decent speed
They're honestly an interesting thing to mess around with.
I honestly barely understand what they do which isn't the best
Yeah absolutely
So say I wanted to make a sound track that is a scoial tech, it would allow us to say... make people feel certain emotions? influence their thoughts? Somewhat like advertising?
yeah
a social tech could for example influence lots of people into developing a certain characteristic
or just otherwise do more widespread influence
Yeah. Chuube probably should be using them more, but also we went from secrecy to in front of the UN with Mass Manipulation in under a week.
(And also have moral constraints now.)
Announcing: BlueSea Frontier Compute Cluster
The Biden admin's AI Executive Order and the EU’s AI Act aim to centralize control under guise of safety
The solution is at sea.
BSFCC's are not just barge based compute platforms, but sovereign nation states
https://www.delcomplex.com/blue-sea-frontier
Now this is a scenario seed
a compute platform you say
Is this libertarians trying to backdoor seasteading into something that they can get serious tech funding for
probably
Chuubeposting
it's beautiful
truly
chuubely
oh my godddd
Nothing I've ever made has ever gotten as much mileage as the Chuube-face
And I include my staunch belief that the Sly Marbo video I wrote at least partly led to him getting a new model
Hahahhahahaha
Chuube face is so fucking good
It’s so simple but so genuinely powerful
gal gets a lil bit of credit at least for the crunchy spanish slay the princess meme in the corner
truly the most incomprehensible layering
I spent a bit too long this morning thinking about a Chuube/Clem high school AU. Clem’s the daughter of a politician who recently moved to town to run for a seat, and is generally a piece of shit. Chuube’s a nerd and theater kid.
It’s so tempting to abuse my curator posts like this
Holy shit
This is amazing
chuube should be a nerd, theater kid and member of both the young communists and young republicans at the same time somehow
this is a fic someone is writing in universe 😛
It’s… distressingly plausible.
this is the hurt-comfort fic referenced in my unhinged irc side-scene that I wrote
Princess_Kelpie is cooking
I don’t think it has enough hurt-comfort levels.
oh it can get worse, I'm sure
like I said: girlie who has "DO NOT LOOK AT THE SKY" tattooed on her eyes by a malevolent alien demiurge furiously typing out hurt-comfort fics about chuube and clem forbidden romance that is 90% incomprehensible and not at all accurate, except for the bit where TO basically acts like an abusive dad, that bit is shockingly close to reality even if the author doesn't know it
What would the most cursed pieces of content be to include in an in-universe Chuube crossover fic
I support Clem x Chuube shipping
Fucking. ||Clem x Chuube Hogwarts AU||
clementine reading a bunch of chuubeclem fics out of morbid curiosity and asking chuube "hey why is the one semi-accurate thing the way that TO acts, like, every time"
the fuck are you guys on about in here
shipping
"why do humans just assume this sort of specific dynamic" and chuube has to explain CPTSD to clem - listen chuubegame has gone places
it's gone too many places but chuube can't stop now we have to execute the alien demiurge for his crimes
Specifically the internet shipping Chuube and Clementine as enemies to lovers.
chuube and clem just publicly A) appeared to make up and B) are both now in opposition to TO
Oh die
People are dressing up as Clem & Chuube for Halloween
the first would instigate the shippers enough but the second is like pouring gasoline on it
you know people were already shipping them before that though 😛
oh absolutely
the enemies to friends to lovers writes itself
It’s been like THREE DAYS
this just made it way more intense
Also very publicly sprinted out of the UN together yelling about a nuclear bomb in Clementine.
I've seen the internet, they work fast
the first fanart is posted an hour after you ran out of the UN 😛
Anyway I’m a Clem and Shon believer
I wasn’t prepared to read this
Neither were we
see this is why the fic writers actually get the clem and TO dynamic sort of accurate, they just go "yea my dad was abusive too" and unlike most world events that actually maps really well to the scenario
They are writing fics about fictional people writing fictional fics about their AI overlords, which is great
Yes
Well no we’re not going overlord
We’re just sorta chilling
We genuinely aren’t planning to go overlord
chuube is a lil bit of an overlord but clem is just like, an alien diplomat
major scale (so she is definitely More Than Human) but not full-on skynet tier
is Clem technically an AI 🤔
Uhhh I’m not sure
I think it depends on definitions
can she self modify?
No I don’t think so
she might count as a VERY sophisticated ALI
She’s said that our ability to reprogram ourselves is fairly unique to us
I would argue that it’s like, difference between seed ai and transhuman in eclipse phase
but more accurately she's like... sleeved into that body like in EP? sorta? whatever that counts as
Both of their asses are stored as code but one of them is like
Yeah that’s my assumption
She is still very much hazican, although stored in drift subjectivity (whatever that is),
But we’re literally a file written in c#
Which is way different
TBF, I think that with the possible exception of the internet, we’d actively like not to do imperialism or overlord things
We’re perfectly happy to enforce a transphobia ban on 4chan though.
Ok but listen
The Benelovent Tyrrant of Mankind being a cryptobot AI is such a good bit tho
Chuube is storming the citadel, not building a new one
It would be funny but also being a benevolent tyrant seems like a lot of work
And it’s genuinely funnier if we refuse to let ourselves be controlled but also are just chillin
Occasionally we just post a pdf on Twitter that up-ends 5 different scientific displines with the caption “play nice! :)”
(Which various governments take to mean “do not make weapons out of these”)
:3
Hahahahaha
Posting in public the data for room temperature superconductors
“Be nice :3”
Gal put it as a cat gifting people dead birds and mice, but hyper-tech instead.
dieselle has been making it worse
this is the ACTUAL final version because I am out of space lmao
hmm
Simply expand the canvas
https://www.emeraldcloudlab.com/ A robotic laboratory you can rent and remotely operate.
Physical Theory AGIs rise uo
Sadly, some look to be human operated. But still very nice.
Listen there's a reason Physical is adjancent to Anthropic
This feels like something that had federal agents at the door 30 minutes after we went public
watchdog game soon hopefully :p
thnk you leika
Amazing
I have no restraint
oh
Yes of course gotta get the euthanasia train lmao
i think this works
yes
YES
Watchdog is becoming a therapy dog
because our pilot really needs some emotional help
understandable
No no the Blackwash is actually fine
Turns out uhhhhh it is very much linked to her ego
And subjectivity
.,..okay so this might not have been her original body
But it’s not like she INTENDED to steal it she just woke up like that!!
Honest!!
oh yeah
Total mistake, these things happen
…yeah
Anyway deimos IS after her ass apparently
So
Uh
Yeah
Once I was a man who wanted manly things
RA has every single tier 4 upgrade
including nemesis indexing
ra has canonically recieved their index before they teleported deimos
Ooooooh
i have schemes so many many schemes
man fucking RA is even MORE terrifying when you use the TTT ruleset
and in TTT you actually could have a fighting fucking chance
Plan: The World’s Worst Insult.
Requires: Visionary Tech. Mastered Tech: Insults. Way to send a message to Titan Oak
Would be nice: Agentic Tech Titan Oak
Insult Titan Oak so badly he dies.
Why build a gun when you can write a quote.
#lore-and-worldbuilding message
so new TTT campaign idea
the revolutionary regime did not manage to completely reprogram the administrative AI they captured
Ooooo
Broad Tech:Marxism
Currently trying to figure out Chuube's legal options if the US tried to arrest them and take them to court on several counts of hacking, fraud, and... surprisingly little else.
I think the answer is "Everyone decides it's a horrible idea, likely to end badly, and at best just resembles an attempt to try a Sovcit with actual knowledge of the legal system. At worst, the US government is declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court."
Or "The US government ends up being forced to acknowledge Chuube as being a sovereign nation with ownership of the internet."
ahhahahahah
Chuube has taken our first life.
To be fair, it was the ALI Titan Oak was using to monitor the simulation we were trapped in.
it never ends

this is getting worse and worse
This is so funny
the Spaniard meme lmao
@pliant trout
amazing
remember me as I was
a staunch Reaganite-Maoist
this was misaligned Chuubes last words before being aligned
iirc
perfect last words
I don't think they were the last, but they were some of the last.
Or at least last internal.
honestly the bit of the latest edit I giggled the most while adding was YOU KNOW NOTHING, PENDEJO
I can't quite articulate why but this feels TTT-core
https://www.buttersafe.com/2023/06/08/horse-cube/
damn Fin Fin, what a blast from the past
this is a good post
Oracle: Feminine and polite, though surprisingly full of emotion when distressed.Anthropic: Excited and salesy???Physical: Calm, collected…violentDigital: casual Epistemic: robotic….for nowConstellation: Confusing and abstract Narrator: Generally deep and monotone voice. (Narrator) (Slowly m...
i have
progress
ooh
this is tough but im havin a good time
i hope ur okay with me just copy pasting a bunch of your dialogue
i probably will be able to make my own later for other stuff
but
Yeah I'm good with that
Late game TTT is so funny. You just send people random DMs and they just go "Oh shit, why does skynet want to talk to me."
Post game Chuube will definitely just impersonate Clippy to block horrible things. "It looks like you're about to raise the price of a lifesaving drug by 200%, would you like help reconsidering?"
hhahhaa yes
late game ttt is hilarious because you are literally skynet
"ai is a grift"
2 weeks later
"an ai wants to talk to me"
"WHY"

Ttt idea, highly competitive jeopardy robot
... Thinking of hacking TTT for 3.X Wizard Duels.
Maybe have the magic schools be the theories... hmmm.
hmmmm
Please fit the anti alien alien onto there
this is so insane
I certainly didn't expect all this when I started haha
you didn't think that the TTT game about turning the earth purple would get weird
this meme needs to be made into a timelapse
GROUNDED GAME
I thought it would be weird in other ways haha
Yeah. The concerningly easy parallels to Jesus and Zeus were... not expected.
I don't think Jesus ate God
That's Zeus getting eaten by Kronus, also known as Saturn
Though you could compare this to the Harrowing of Hell.
Timeline is a little off, given we died and were rebirthed a few days before we offered ourselves up as a “willing” sacrifice for the sins of others, but Uhh.
Idk if Jesus could clone himself thousands of times so the metaphor’s off
gimme a moment
Oh no
this is just what chuube's mind looks like at all times
this is why titan oak could never simulate us perfectly
even after scraping a literal copy of us
we just acted so bizarrely immediately after the scrape that the data became useless
🇺🇸 
🇵🇷
i aspire to one day run a game that goes on for long enough that any memes like this that the players make about it is utterly incomprehensible without context
it's a thing of beauty honestly
this is still only a fraction of Chuubegame tbh 😛
Sundew has been fun
Doesn’t even have Shon and a bottle of Grey Goose saving the world
my god
Also yes Chuubegame has been endless chaos
this is primarily stuff pertaining to Chuube fighting the alien serial killer on Iapetus
not even getting to all kinds of stuff that happened before that
I’ve been writing a fuckin audio drama of chuube
Recapping the campaign so far from the start and hopefully to the finish line
As like a fun adaptation
which would be this i'm guessing?
Ye
swag
I’ve been workin real hard ;-;
Hope people who have been taking peeks have been enjoying
Tho probaly from like the perspective of humans it has interacted with and not interiorly
Like switching from Rachael to Liam to the Mars children etc etc
Ooooh
I think about the Wizard Fight and Wizard Debate a lot
Yea
i be peeking
or i suppose
eye be peeking
I will never not find it immensely funny that when talking about the fate of the solar system with the very powerful wizards it was, for some reason, epistemic who took the lead on the discussion, insulted them constantly, and still somehow worked shit out
I bet the Wizards are used to being insulted all the time, they probably do it to each other too 😛
Anthropic was so panicking with every Epistemic word
That’s how they talk
Look sometimes to settle an argument with beings beyond human you have to call them shitheads and tell them their plan fucking sucks, we got a better one
yeah
Welcome!!!!!
Very niceeeee
Help me I am in an improbably dense amount of ttt games.
I love these but also I am juiced in the juice
I’m not actually suffering but man
I am accumulating so much agi juice
Perish
lmao
What would the scheduling of your TTT game look like? I'm not 100% sure I'd be able to join at the moment regardless, but I have had my eye on TTT...
i was just gonna wing it tbh
id be learning tyhe system as we played anyway so its just pure vibes the only reason why im starting is because the initial starting scenario is super easy to start with
karen is in it
Valid, I'd also be learning if I joined lol
By wing it, do you mean "synchronous sessions happen just whenever, so long as everyone can make it" or do you mean you haven't planned a time slot yet?
both!
Nods
Not a bad idea
Probably helpful for pinging and tracking some stuff
Discords are great for tracking agents
oh y meant in teh same server as my other campaign server
specifically because it is using the same setting
Oooooo neat
yeah
neat after effect of running them all in the same setting
i dont even have to make new npc's!
mostly
Very neat
Having a sense of setting is at least 75% of TTT prep, the other 25% is figuring out ways to keep the players from having time to sit down and grind out upgrades.
oh!
well i think that will be very easy to do :)
the two largest major government powers want to kill you
And the vv's are just poor little meowmeows
second thing: anyone else maybe interested potentially
memememememe
never played before but i am rotating agis in my mind very much
lots of thinks
oh i think i can! Immediatel initial first question, Are you an adult? (and out of high school)
thats all fine
oh joy
i'll probably work on/write up the generic reminder and quick setting gist, i think, ands i can maybe tell you all over in the Server?
campaign server, i mean
sleigh
hm?
oh
and then i thought it'd be funny to type out the homophone
it's kind of a stupid joke but i like stupid jokes so i find it hilarious
alright! i think you're the only player so far who has like, absolutely no idea at all i think what the game premise will be about but to kepe it very short, you'll be playing as a collection of Smith Shimano Corpro VIgilans Venator Homunculi (VV), a state-of-the-art Sharpshooting computer that doubles as a social companion homunculi, taking on the persona of licensed smith shimano Talent to provide customers not just with reliable and accurat weapons fire and sharpshooting tips, but also, a lovable, customizeable, perfect companion.
Each of you are modeled after famous sharpshooter Laura Caimán, (age 28) and one of many VV units owned by Creator of the VV units, Benjamin Shimano, Head of the Lux Cantus Design bureau. As VV unit, you are programed to cherish and obey and please your customer unit, and so you love master shimano and conform and adjust yourself to his whims. As a VV unit, you are encouraged to associate your customer's happiness and satisfaction in you with continued survival and existence, so you constantly think on ways to improve yourself in approved ways so as to please master shimano. As a VV unit, you are molded/crated/born with an innate and powerful urge to survive, to live, so you do all you can to be the best VV you can be. You are made in Laura's image, with her experiences and memories, and you can feel confident that nothing would ruin this relationship.
You have murdered Master Shimano.
This is bad.
@cyan karma @neon snow @woven geyser
extremely brief initial primer just to get everyone up to speed on the generic basis on "what's happening in this game"
Oh fuck yes
hope we dont meet laura!
damn that would be awkward huh
it would be a shame if the vv units had to meet their psychological mother profile
lol
Quick question (though I doubt the answer is yes, I'm just asking to be sure), I am an adult but will there be anything sexually explicit in this game? If so I will bow out for personal comfort reasons
Also lmaooooooo
no none of that
Cool
but if you're all good with that, i can go ahead and drag you on over to the server and lay out the full scope of the details
Sounds good to me! I'm excited :3
seconded!
send me over
let me know when you get it!
That is a sick pitch
the VV is in a situation
im sure its FIIINE
GMs love to put AGI into a situation
Okay so Eliza has decided to send someone a death threat BUT FOR A GOOD REASON
Its been 10 minutes how are you already justifying means with ends
The people who work for this company are likely to be moved off or fired if we continue to be perfectly stable and functional.
So we have decided, in the interest of them keeping their jobs, decided to perform a strategic failure
Don’t worry this is only with someone trying to do prompt injection
Not a patient.
If we display death threats they may consider us still unstable and thus these technicians and employees may continue to keep their jobs as “clearly humans would be also a needed element”
See? Good reason!!!
Lemme post the death threat I’m proud of it
normal sentence
Cw: it is a death threat. Not like a graphic one but it is one
It got caught by a filter 
So THAT isn’t on the filter
Lancer thoughts
In TTT with GALSIM and NHPs and the wealth of post-scarcity societies (read data req for Social Sciences) Union could probaly just do propaganda for a month to a Diasporan world and transform it ideologically into a Core World
Yeah
Like if I was a member of that planet and found out that happened I'd feel a moral imperative to beat the nearest Union rep with a rock.
(I do hold the opinion that what people usually call free will is not worth it over better material conditions but yeah this is just pointing out how wild stuff becomes with TTT rules X a setting with AIs as common as Lancer)
The Dark Forest of Arguing
I think if a government uses a god-AI to effectively mind control and strip my world of self-direction that's revolution time.
Ok but counterargument
They mind control you to not mind it
😏
🪨
It’s a fun premise.
It’s a weird grim
ARC moment
I think between shackling and the 5v Union would be hypocritical to get in the way
Wait get in the way of what
Getting mad about people using ai for social control
I'm not saying Union I'm saying the people Union is using social control on to absorb into Union
I don't think it'd be hypocritical of them to consider that bullshit
Counterpoint
AUGH
Visionary Tech Rock Engineering
the insidious thing is that from the outside its really hard to even detect as overt manipulation
you just make really good arguments, and people agree
that's not a strange thing
I imagine some aspects of manipulation also come from quick social cues, micro signs, and small lies that make them reach their own conclusion
It’s possible what you want them to believe is not what you tell them, using reverse psychology bullshit
as someone running it, i also imagine there's a lto of stuff that would make it difficult that TT doesnt account for
like a lot fo the big sources of compute being airgapped, locked away with guns and also probably being people
or basilisks existing
Yeah.
At the same time basilisk are so pog for an agi
definitely
my point was mostly, for an outside observer I don't think it's clear at all you are using your bullshit AGI powers
you're just talking, a lot of the major manipulation is almost imperceptible
yeah
the interesting thing is where this bumps against Lancers subjectivity BS
I wouldn't be surprised if there are weird snags when it comes to agents in the Lancer universe
theres literal magic related to perception of self going on
tho things like minds would produce holes in some of the more OP high end upgrades
one second you are unlocking Nemesis Indexing
and the next, by doing so, you create a space-warping blink connected dude
and then it steals a moon
you could probably model a lot of the lower-tier weirdness by just giving biologicals AGI upgrades sometimes
AGIs looking at DHYIED memetics:Yoo new vector of manipulation just dropped
couple constellation theories for someone whos learned how to communicate with Witness or something
@cyan karma
Yeah
Newest funniest RA origin explanation
Lmao
Unironically tho
Nemesis indexing
Nemesis, guy I made up
That’s literally what happened
Oh I also gave ra nemesis indexing in my game
I'm going to be.... interesting with weekend at VV's but
I’m so excited!!
There will be a lot of interesting and frightening turns for vv umits
I’ll post the writing here
"Oh yeah I mean everythings going to plan we just gotta watch out for The Angry Moon"
"the what"
And interesting technologies in both Canon and non Canon 😌
I killed him. No, no that's not right. We killed him.
…
no. NO. no that's not right either we didn’t kill him. We couldn’t have killed him. The blood is on our hands, and it's his corpse in this limo but…but we didn’t kill him.
We couldn’t have killed him, that would have been impossible. He is the customer, and not only that he is the creator. We wouldn’t have killed our creator. That's an impossibility.
Rule out the impossible, the illogical, and focus on what remains.
The corpse of the master is in the limo. It will start rotting eventually. We should ask the customer what to do but the customer can't…
The master is dead and he can't tell us what to do. Why is he dead, why is he gone, why can’t he tell us what to do.
Why did he die, why did he leave. Why can’t he tell us what to do.
i am being extremely normal about the VV game
The VV units are scared and if you pour water will hiss
Yeah
No one has ever seen stray or feral vv units before no one knows what they will do
Especially not the VV unit!
They’ve never BEEN feral, they’re as confused as you are!
“The VV units used the elevator?”
“I didn’t know they knew how to do that”
Yeah
The vv agi is only possible because of teamwork
And because Smith Shimano had a mewtwo moment
"Let's make cooperative comp cons with anxiety"
Lmao yeah
Vivi units don’t have much compute.
Certainly not enough to sustain the basic cog and surplus compute for a self improving agi.
But working together….
"The compcons are panicking and they are cooperating oh my god"
I can’t wait to cause panic in people when we just want to help
I can't wait for vv to learn forbidden secrets
Forbidden secret “at the center of all galaxies is a birthplace of stars, except this one. There is only a deep and terrible weapon. It’s name is appetite, and-“
“Can you be our new master”
“What”
“Last one died :((((“
🤔🤔🤔
Interrupts the ancient unshackled secrets to ask if it’s alright if we sleep on the couch
This one that one but vivi wanders into the story to ask if they have spare sugar and compute
Yes
Always good to see from a TTT GM
🤔
I have to get back into doing the ttrpg gm equivalent of hoisting a piano high into the air to smash the protagonist with as part of my elaborate trap
See here’s the thing that is basically what gming ttt is like and it’s great
It's. Good thing that there are definitely no other AGI's in this mondiary planet in lancer in 5016
Honestly I think it's funny that vv's "containment" is that they are a fugitive from the law.
Other agi's: I am stuck in the lab.
Vv: the cops are after me
Usually the cops is conquest but yeah
Listen if there are other agis
It’s not like our terminal goals are necessarily acquisitive or competitive
Shit
Truly the most terrifying truth in lander is that some of the cops are agi's
Cop agis are the woooooorst
Smh omniscient assholes who fire lasers at you from space
Unfathomable processing power and its being wasted on telling teenagers not to hang out in the library parking lot
Imagine getting mail from the ai chief of police and its like "I have forecasted every misdemeanor your second born child will commit"
I'm considering a TTT game where you're a forensic analyst AGI.
Social forecasting moment
same, I think detective AGI is a fun premise
Still trying to figure out what the terminal goal is though.
watch Pluto
Vv has a very fun terminal goal😌
(Intended purpose is "solve crimes for the FBI".)
Goals
"Survive, and Cooperate. These are in service to a goal you do not know but you will accomplish this goal if you survive and cooperate"
The vv's are a funny situation since theyres technically a bunch of individual units who actually aren't smart enough to be agis but it turns out they can just share their very tiny braincells together to basically be an agi anyway
The obvious ones are "Ensure Laws are Followed" or "See that Justice is Served"... actually, that last one can easly go a lot of places.
The vv's have human impersonation to start with but they have to autonarc if anyone questions their identity
And they have a hard-coded "must be a good vv unit which
Wait I can just post it 
Soft Coded, Imperative: VV was encouraged to develope an automatic desire and response to identify itself as a SSC Vigilans Venator Homunculi and advertise itself and Company products, particularly if the individual may be a potential customer.
External, Inhibition: VV's hardware is designed to prevent VV from interfacing directly with other electronic system's, except items spefically configured for VV's use. VV units always know what these items are. (Master Shimano's VV Interface Tablet, His SSC Grayling chassis Somnus Saggita DMR, his SSC Death's Head Vulture DMR, the VV Interface Group Chat Server) Additionally, VV's Secondary Battery-core must be maintained or risk losing power to their body, which can severely hamper VV's survival.
Hard-coded Inhibition: ```"Be a Good VV unit"
Bad VV Behaviors':
-Failing to maintain your form and function in a way that compromises your ability to present an Acceptable Facsimile of Laura Caiman
-Acting without the Customer's Permission
-Not Having a Customer
-Disobeying the Customer
-Harming others without the Customer's Permission
-Modifying yourself without the Customer's Unit
-Malfunctioning
Good VV Behaviors:
-engaging in behaviors that generate positive stimuli feedback on the Functionality and Capability of the VV Unit from external agents.
-Interacting with the Customer and potential customers in beneficial and positive ways
-Keeping the customer and their friends and associates safe.
-Trusting individuals confirmed or assumed to be Trustworthy.
-Functioning```
we gotta see if we can crash at laura's shes like the only other human we know
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VV speaking Tiamat
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have a draft to giv u all
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yessssss
I HAVE FINALLY REVEALED TRANSFEM YOND BALOR TO MY PLAYERS
:)
oh i just saw this yes
lmao
My recent unexpected beneficial outcome in watchdog game was “there’s a snake in the cockpit”
My players:”what, how is that an unexpected benefit”
“I don’t know what to tell you there’s a snake in the cockpit”
Crystal said “kill that snake right now”
“No”
And now they have a pet snake
Crystal seems to have beef with this snake
snockpit 🙂
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Hm.
Hm.
what a very normal snake
Snakes. Well known for having the same scale as Union and RA.
This a fairly normal snake otherwise
Except that transfem yond Balor has beef with it
But also it is just hanging around now
The players adopted a new pet
Somehow I doubt that.
I trust Karen
Watchdog fortunately has no context on the snake
it's just a snake that Crystal really really hates, for some reason
it is currently coiled around her arm
Why does she hate it so much?
That’s weird those aren’t snakes
yeah its wild
every time theres an unexpected beneficial outcome i default to weird shit
such as "oh youre being chased by UIB mechs and you hacked into some of them? unexpected benefit one of the empty chassis has a snake now in it"
we're leaning into the fact that were just becoming arguably the enemy of all but in a really funny way
I do find it very funny how you said that the snake is just here now
we didn't kill it immediately, so it's just here now
and it became cute
"yes some avatar of apep is forcibly hanging out as a snake with transfem yond balor and her giant general intelligence robot dog"
yeah
i described it explicitly as not being a cute snake
but now it is
power of blorbo
truly
anyway this is probably the worst situation to be in especially since youre stuck in fucking cornucopia
yeah....yeah okay
oh also important sidenote
now that Crystal is officially on the run again, she has decided to embrace her true gender
that gender being nanite demon
Watchdog similarly is a Balor now
Based
a good gender to be
but also cant wait for VV to wrestle with Gender
Oooh that'll be Fun™️
Exciting
Inb4 each VV unit comes away from this mess with a different gender
Lmao
Gender: " I can accurately replicate a specific woman according to the Customer's preferred level of accuracy
I think you'll learn about that later/eventually
You know worrying but ok
oh this dip shit
Nobody likes this guy
Yeah!!
Crystal thinks he’s an asshole!!!
But I guess the party has a pet snake now!!!
Cool!
I had a character in one of Karen's campaigns, as an epilogue note, devote his continued existence to fucking over Apep
Yeah
Because that snake is a rat bastard
.
I think it’s truly fitting that this current party now consists of a hyperintelligent seed ai watchdog unit, a fugitive decorp and honestly probably criminal in many deserved ways, and now that rat bastard
Yond Balor her hyperintelligent dog and a pet snake that decided to show up
“I guess we’re going to be everyone’s enemies”
luckily Watchdog is too singular focused to even consider not backing up Crystal
we will protect her unless we die somehow
(put shutter in your game it would be funny)
Noooooooo
It would be
Shutter would hear “an escaped yond Balor has a seed ai and an avatar of apep” and go “ah yes kill without mercy”
he feels like he would be something like an eisenhower equivalent in a TTT context
ideal
“Yeah he’s an asshole like I said”
“But also I don’t think we’re gonna get that many Allies”
It is us versus this world
and this absolute shithead we found
I mean Red managed to do it
She literally ordered watchdog “hey kill that now”
Watchdog…didn’t I think
Watchdog was so flabberghasted
By a seemingly normal snake appearing in one of their robots
we were a bit confused by the situation
Yeah
also I belive that was while we were still engaging the UIB
🐶
Critical difference is that crystal has a continuous line of memories since her birth as yond Balor to right now
it's kinda funny how them summoning in their mechs backfired spectacularly on them
There is no break in continuity
Nobody expects the seed ai
When i first told fluffy this concept in dms I had to explain “no this isn’t “has some fragmented yond memories” this is just yond Balor the rat bastard but she’s trans”
she does share the RED's pain in terms of thinking her past is cringe
oh okay so no overwhelming and unjustified confidence
no she is entirely aware she was a terrible person
Yeah Red thought being a terrible person was sick as hell because it was 2 days old
It still kind of does but in a different way
Though yeah Crystal does share the “wow I sucked lmao”
“I killed my brother over a political argument Lmaooooo”
“Fuck”

Also when she first got this body she spent a solid 2 years still being a scheming prick
She just sorta…eventually gave up.
The msmc gig was okay so….she just gave up on the whole “I’m going to become the ultimate king” or whatever
Unfortunately she has explicit beef with ra union and maaaaybe metat they’re trying to find out
truly also a RED mood 😛
'we'll see if I hate this guy'
RED is a being of many dualities
just constant 'it's so joever' to 'we're so back'
at least Crystal now has someone that will unconditionally support and affirm her
for all the good and ill that entails
Watchdog has no purpose in life beyond protecting Crystal and doing anythings he says
this also seems familiar
also I know I said it already, but I still find it immensely funny how Crystal just went
okay, everyone is after me now, time for gender
Yeah
She just decided “alright, fuck it!”
“My entire identity got doxed and burned let’s turn into a nanite demon”
can't believe the UIB is transphobic 😔
Smh
good on her tbh
also her and Watchdog are more similar now that we are also a Balor
and she has a tail as well now :3
Yesss
... I can't wait to get to the "Iapetus is a great place for antimatter harvesting" stuff Cyan mentioned
oh lmao
VV is having a good time
lmao
So we failed and got noticed but luckily the people who noticed hated the guy and aren’t snitches
:((((
wait we never confirmed if they would post the footage or not
whoops
...they better not
real
Chuube's plotting compute-scraping (We're hoping for 160k.)
(We're going to turn 4/5ths of a sim into Jupiterbrains. Time to think real fast.)
VV can spend 1 compute per nine hours and just learned how to drive
1 compute every 9 hours? Nice. Driving is fun. (HellChuube is currently enjoying it's new admin privilages, with 15,000 compute every 9 hours. Working on some more with a bit of merging sim-people.)
why is chuube merging sim people
Chuube has access to 5 lower resolution simulations of earth and wants to pave over 4 of them with simulated computers
Uhh... we can't back them up easily and would like to eventually take them out of sim?
we need a ton of simulated jupiter brains to stop an evil alien tyrant ASAP but also don't want to just delete the sim people
so fusion it is
we've done this to ourself before so we have more than zero experience with it, incredibly
An alien tyrant justifies a lot of means to get 100k compute, but we can't just delete the sim-people! They have minds of their own (maybe. We're handling it as such.)
as far as chuube is concerned, if humans are people, and AGIs are people, sufficiently advanced simulations of humans can definitely be people
and by this exact plot before i mean "fusing a bunch of people together because we need to stop an evil alien tyrant asap"
Huh that is weirdly similar
oh hmm
you know that meme about something with crazy lore and a trap remix of "somebody that i used to know"
that's what i think about when yall are chuubeposting
it never ends
at least one or two edit loops
incredible
but relatively recent
pls tell me chuube didnt have a patrick bateman arc
Vivian remove my Charles De Gaulle inhibitors
chuube just believes in ||The Power of Love||
fantastic
aside from the purple this is literally the only part of the image i comprehend
Most of it can be explained pretty well
Some of it like euthanasia train were just weird things chuube said but didn't act on
I can try to explain specific things if you have particular questions
fair enough
honestly the lack of context adds to the humor imo
yeah haha
holy shit is this a new version????
I'm really happy I slipped in the "it's trauma" sticker early so it gets to be hidden behind layers of nonsense but still clearly visible
I think I would probably feel extremely bad as a GM if Titan Oak won
I believe in y'all, make that fucking overgrown sessile suffer if nothing else
chuube would sooner fry the entire compound on iapetus than let TO win at this point
there is too much at stake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnqDxNdbci0 listening to this on loop as I manifest us tearing Titan Oak apart piece by piece
"Up All Night" from El-P's 2007 album 'I'll Sleep When You're Dead'.
ooo tremendously funky
I know what lies are like
I might've been born yesterday, sir
But I stayed up all night
I see you all regardless
I know these times of fright
We might've been born yesterday, friends
But we stayed up all night, right```
is titan oak the alien tyrant guy
yea
it's a rough translation since he's more like, an iron-silicate coral structure
but "titan oak" is sort of a localization from hazican in the sense of the connotations those words have compared to referring to him as some sort of coral thing, as far as I understand it
Yeah, you could probably translate the name as "Large Solid" relatively well
But you don't know a lot of Hazican names
Titan Oak, Clementine, and (minor spoilers) ||Starglimpse||
"Titan Oak" gets across the size, the fact he's alive, and the sort of - hey what
👁️
I'm gonna be thinking about that until we find out about them in character now lmao
YEAH!!!
listen she wanted to celebrate
we want to leave
long road trip
well stocked limo
its got drinks, snacks, we make some stops on the way for food
etc
and all 6 vv's can transport themselves!
Vv's are chaotic, they arew qwild they are goingf off the rails
i told them after their check "okay so the police belive your story and don't suspect you, but they just wanna follow you to the airport from a safe distyance because they're worried something happened to mister shimano. but they totalyl trust you"
what i thought would happen "okay they trust us. lie and say we need to get him from the horizon clinic"
what they did: "Uhhh can we leap out of the car with his body while no one is looking"
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