Dungeons and Dragons

[proud osprey]

the name will come

[obsidian jasper]

alr

[proud osprey]

but yeah had a good creative jam to myself today

debating further nonsense though

i am thinking about the great taboo

do i divide armour and evasion

i am also thinking about the significantly less great taboo

because i am going to divide up armour into pieces

i like modular armour systems and i like the idea that the party may find loot that is only one or two pieces of a rare or impressive suit of armour

[proud osprey]

i suppose that, for the most part, there is basically no point for this. it is ostensibly, at minimum, double dipping, if not outright triple dipping in some cases (certain fighters, paladin, barbarian)

at least, the way i had it planned

[tepid crane]

that seems excessive

[obsidian jasper]

You could make it a limb system so different body parts have a different Ac

[proud osprey]

this is basically worse

[proud osprey]

just being comprehensive

it’s my world

and it isn’t really jam packed with extraplanar funky dudes, beast races, or the supplement species de jour

so i figured i may as well lock that in

[proud osprey]

because at least my intended implementation of DR would be representative of something: lighter armoured foes are more evasive, heavier armoured foes are more defensive

and honestly i may still do something with this concept

but it’ll be formulated quite differently

the AC system i’m definitely more interested in would be some kind of modular system, inspired by stuff like the elder scrolls, forbidden lands, etc

[lament geode]

I know this is the D&D thread, and I'm not trying to be a D&D hater, but it sounds like you want a different system altogether from what I'm hearing

[modest echo]

it'll get there after enough layers

[craggy widget]

Let em cook

Whats your favourite monster chat

[modest echo]

if i have to pick a non-dragon: hydras are good

wait are hydras also dragons in 5e

no they're not i'm safe

Also mimics

[solemn totem]

Hm.... Flumph.

[pure elm]

Sorrowsworn
Though I wish they were a little lower CR so they were easier to use

[obsidian jasper]

Bag man

Im not sure if it’s homebrew though

Like the thing that uses bags of holding as portals

[lament geode]

Hook Horrors

[dapper fulcrum]

Shadar-Kai

the Gloom Weaver is a menace

[proud osprey]

alice coming in with the being a hater

jk alice your input as always is welcome and appreciayed

and decently valid, but nah

i enjoy d&d for how easy it is to tack random shit on top of the shitshow, or to cut out parts of said shitshow at discretion

other RPGs are other RPGs. a lot of the time people who want to play with me tend to just wanna play some d&d

[lament geode]

If that's part of your fun then godspeed, soldier

[proud osprey]

and there’s nothing wrong with that. if they’re along for the ride then i’m gonna hatchet things apart

always part of my fun

[lament geode]

I've just seen people do exactly what you're doing and wind up miserable because there's a system out there that did what they wanted 1000 tiems better

[proud osprey]

what step says is basically true too

[proud osprey]

MY BOY

carrion my wayward son

[pure elm]

fun fact, carrion crawlers are one of the few monsters that are copyrighted by WotC

[cosmic geyser]

Death knights my beloved

[cosmic geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-mimic-trap-sousou-no-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-gif-3831058390717791180

[craggy widget]

Death Knights are an absolute classic

[grave hollow]

Avalanchers.

[craggy cloak]

tied between goblins and kuo-toa

[tepid crane]

How far would you say you are on the road to an incomprehensible house game only your group understands

[tepid crane]

Kobold

[arctic yew]

hey uh

rapid fire some ideas to me if you have any

i have to come up with something for the next session tomorrow

tl dr:the group is guarding a noble's carriage as she goes to a secret seaborne restaurant because the secret seaborne restaurant is also a cannibal restaurant and they have to save someone before theyre prepared.

they are in the middle of the forest,but will soon reach the coast where they will board a ship to get to the restaurant.

also unknown to then there are three vampires in the carriage with the noble that hypnotized her into thinking that they are her long-time friends. also after the restaurant for unrelated reasons.

[frail hull]

The carriage is actually a mimic.

So let's see if I can break it down: the PCs got a job guarding the noble so they have an in to the restaurant to save someone. The vampires charmed the same noble so that she would take them in as guests.

Does she know about the person eating? Perhaps she is a secret part of the sceme and is bringing in some extra servings in the form of her ' guests'

[craggy cloak]

Are these vampires evil / part of the cannibal schtick

[arctic yew]

Evil,yes
Part of the cannibal stuff,no. They also want an in because of bloodsucker politics stuff.

To make a very long story short,there are three kinds of vamps in this world. Vampire lords,vampires and thralls. There's only supposed to be ONE vampire lord who rules over all of vampire society,but one friend of the party accidentally made herself one. The lord got wind of it and sent his goons after her. They learnt that this new VL doesn't Hunt,so they wrongly assumed that she went to get her food on that restaurant instead

[craggy cloak]

lots of plot threads and seeds and stalks going on here

so what are you missing for tomorrow, then?

[arctic yew]

Mostly....what to do on the last session of travel before they get to the restaurant proper

[frail hull]

Have the noble make lots of small comments about how delicious she finds the party?

Could also have some vampire hunters attack the carrage. And thinking the noble is one as well cause the party to have to chose which side to help.

[craggy cloak]

Does something need to happen during travel? You can just go to the restaurant! I mostly mention it because I think a lot of "things" that can happen interfere with the vampire situation and theres a lot going on already

but also i just hate busywork fights and encounters

[arctic yew]

I like this idea

[dapper fulcrum]

Yeah you can go straight to the resto

[arctic yew]

It just feels weird have

Days when nothin happens

[dapper fulcrum]

Or spend the ride doing RP

[dapper fulcrum]

Montageee

Someimes the action is where is should be and tje lull monents get skipped when they need to be

[craggy cloak]

Upon arrival to the ship they find it under "arrest" by a group also looking to deal with the cannibal restaurant (or just a specific client), thus putting the players in a spot to have to make some tough choices.

[tepid crane]

Seems like you already have a massive amount of stuff on the stage. My vote would also be to skip travel or have a short vignette of like, a wheel getting damaged or RP.

[proud osprey]

on a scale of 1-10?

[proud osprey]

wait fuck seriously

[pure elm]

yeah it's one the few that is part of D&D product identity

together with Beholders, Illithid, the Gith, Displacer Beast, and I think a few more I forgot

[craggy widget]

Oh these guys fuck mechanically

Verry simple and effective gimmicks

[pure elm]

yeah

Mordenkainen's in general was actually kinda cooking in terms of mechanics

WotC actually doing interesting monster design for once

another favorite of mine is the Frost Salamander

it's vulnerable to fire

but it also immediately recharges its breath attack if it takes fire damage

[craggy widget]

Oh thats nice

Mordenkainen also has Star Spawn who are also probaly my favs? (I got a soft spot for all the big schemer campaign hook monster) They really do the "evil mirror party" concept very well

[dapper fulcrum]

Star Spawn are devious

Hulks and Seers

You dont shoot your Seer's psychic blasts at the party

You shoot em at the Hulk and deal auto damage to everyone in a radius

[proud osprey]

if on a scale of 1-10. like 1

as time goes on we shall see

when the strongholds/domains/followers rules get introduced, then those will make it 2/10

[proud osprey]

genned up a party for some solo d&d fun

got this ad&d 79 DMG. it’s a great time

real treat for that old school sword n sorcery vibe

[proud osprey]

what we thinking wrt this follower table for my human paladin

preparing now for when the party get a stronghold going by generating follower charts for them to roll on

oh my fucking god the numbers are wrong

think ive fixed them

[trail ferry]

I roll to shank the dragon

🐉

[proud osprey]

SKULLY NOOO

[prisma sluice]

Question

For the purposes of the Duelist fighting style, would y'all consider a spellcasting staff as a weapon if it's wielded in the off hand or no

[modest echo]

Probably

[prisma sluice]

Like, say some eldritch knight whose GM is letting them use foci has a sword in one hand, a staff in the other, and the Duelist style-would you rule the staff counts as a weapon and invalidates Duelist since you could in theory smack someone with it as a quarterstaff, or would you rule the staff doesn't count as a weapon and thus doesn't invalidate Duelist?

[modest echo]

Yeah

It's a weapon in their other hand, so Duelist doesn't work

[prisma sluice]

I figured

That's what I thought too tbh

Because like, an arcane focus isn't really statted as a weapon, but at the same time, if your arcane focus is a staff, there's no fucking way it DOESN'T count as a quarterstaff or something

[tepid crane]

I think so yeah, there’s a lot of examples of parrying tools like bucklers and staffs that I would consider a weapon

Actually hmm this isn’t something ai have ever thought about

Would a torch count?

[prisma sluice]

Hm

I guess it depends on how much of a shitter/rules stickler the GM is?

"It'd reasonably be possible to use it as a club that has fire damage tacked onto it, so yeah, it's a weapon and Duelist doesn't proc"

...wait but then a shield would also invalidate it by this line of logic

[craggy cloak]

RAW unless the staff has an explicit "this is a quarterstaff" id allow Duelist

[prisma sluice]

Since you could reasonably smack someone with it and thus make it a weapon

[craggy cloak]

notably, a Wand or Orb are not "a weapon"

[prisma sluice]

A Wand, maybe, but a full-sized staff seems more weapon-ish

[craggy cloak]

for ease of burden you can just use a Wand or Orb instead unless this is a specific item

[modest echo]

yeah the thing that pushed it over the edge to me is that the "staff" arcane focus in the rules is generally paired with "this counts as a quarterstaff"

[craggy cloak]

Most magic staffs have a line of text reading "the staff can be wielded as a quarterstaff" which invalidates them

ye

[prisma sluice]

Yeah, figured as much

[modest echo]

if that's absent than sure it doesn't count as a weapon but i generally assume it's there

[prisma sluice]

So it'd be best to maybe do a funny dual wielding build of both smacking them with your sword and smacking them with your staff

Slice, slice, BONK

[craggy cloak]

If it must be a staff, yeah

[prisma sluice]

Aye, it's a bit integral to this character's flavor

[tepid crane]

eh I don't think it's very shitter or rules lawyer to say holding two weapons stops you from doing the deulist proc

[craggy cloak]

i dont count Improvised Weapons in the sense that, until an attack roll is attempted, its typically Not A Weapon

[tepid crane]

I guess to me it's more wondering how you could maintain a duelist stance with one hand holding something awkward or heavy

[proud osprey]

clearly never been in a brawl in a crystal shop

[pure elm]

Most magic Staves are quarterstaves

[proud osprey]

rly wanna make that orc wizard character

[pure elm]

So they would technically count as a weapon

[proud osprey]

who is obviously a wizard

but hits like a truck

[pure elm]

But I'd probably allow it

[proud osprey]

like will smack your face off your face with his staff

[proud osprey]

weird how 5e's core books didn't have a phoenix creature in them until the real backend of the first decade

also annoying how it's a gargantuan creature. hm

[proud osprey]

no hate to ginny di i mostly enjoy her content but surely this thumbnail is ragebait

[sand hornet]

Would this be like, an ironic statement

Or Parodic

[proud osprey]

what

[sand hornet]

No I mean

the video is like, ironic

or at least it's thumbnail

dunno if I'm phrasing it well

[proud osprey]

idk if you are either

i started watching the video but got distracted with my book :p oops

[craggy cloak]

why would that be ragebait

genuine question

[proud osprey]

idk about anyone else but icedusk is a rly stupid name for winter

[cosmic geyser]

I mean it is. But that doesn’t make this ragebait

[dapper fulcrum]

Subjective

Icedusk is neutral to me

[craggy cloak]

yeah i've done exactly this for years in games

it just seemed like normal D&D thing to me

[proud osprey]

it very much is

these days my setting calendar is simply the four seasons

91 days in each. that’ll do me

maybe an extra one day every year for new year’s day. idk yet

[craggy cloak]

still need to come up with a calender for my stuff

[proud osprey]

don’t make me tap the sign

[craggy cloak]

What sign

[proud osprey]

YOU CAN NOT HAVE A MEANINGFUL CAMPAIGN IF STRICT TIME RECORDS ARE NOT KEPT.

[craggy cloak]

oh thats bs lol

I've never kept time for any of my campaigns

[proud osprey]

one of the few times i agree with gygax’s didactic bullshit

but only insofar as it applies to certain styles of play

[craggy cloak]

Keeping track of days/hours/weeks etc is so boring

does not interest me as a player or DM

[spice hornet]

i think tracking time in landmark events rather than strict days/weeks/months/etc. is equally interesting

[craggy cloak]

i can agree to tracking time via Shit Happens for sure

that is usually how i formulate my timelines

[proud osprey]

i think when i first played i didn’t care at all

now i’m very pro-tracking

because knowing that you went from level 1-4 over two months, rather than 1-8 over a wacky two weeks, is a difference

but it’s an issue of style

[craggy cloak]

I can see that, and I also don't think I could play like that haha

[spice hornet]

that's a valid approach, and i can see how it would make things more interesting. however, sometimes playing fast and loose is better for other tables

[proud osprey]

hard to imagine

depends on what you’re running to

[craggy cloak]

im just running good ole RAW 5e

[proud osprey]

but i for one am generally pro-timeline

always tracking it on my end

[craggy cloak]

just another way in which we see the full spectrum of GMing between multiple people

[spice hornet]

sometimes, large jumps of time with unclear distinctions as to how Actually Long it is for the players is interesting, bc it allows you to fill in the gaps w details, and can also lead to genuinely funny accounts of things that take place in an improbably short amount of time (e.g. The Incident)

more suited for heist media, or post-apoc lost histories, or what have you, but still. that's one example i came up w against time tracking

i do think doing the opposite is also fun and leads to a perspective of like, "what the fuck it took this long/ it only took this long?"

[proud osprey]

yeah. plus i’ve always been a sucker for downtime activities

so this plays into that

i used to have a ruthlessly complex magic item creation system

while i no longer have that, the principle of needing free time to do solo shit still abides

[craggy cloak]

love me some downtime activities

[prisma sluice]

Presently debating playing an artificer flavored as a mage-knight or an actual eldritch knight...

What do y'all reckon is the better pick here

[craggy cloak]

tell me more about this character idea

[cosmic geyser]

That’s a tough pick to be honest. I’m assuming you are going for the Armorer Artificer?

[prisma sluice]

Oh, no, battle smith

The idea for battle smith is that he's part of some order of mage-knights that are also into enchanting things, both in making magical weapons and creating golems

[prisma sluice]

The idea's not particularly complex, it's just "Knight from some order or mystical mage knights setting out to prove himself/setting out as part of his first assignment"

...honestly I think I'm convincing myself more and more for artificer, it's a lot more flavorful

Like, I can still have that mage knight flavor but also I get the flavor of being a golem-crafter and a magical smith

AND I get more magic

And for what, a few points less HP, shoddier armor proficiency, and no weapon mastery?

[tepid crane]

For my westmarch I think keeping the time fabric of reality together is going to be hella difficult

[proud osprey]

yeah it's an issue i ran into

but it worked well enough

basically:

game sessions take place in game time

so, if a day passes in session, or a week, or several of either of those, or even if just a few hours, cool

any unfinished adventures that don't end with the party back at their base or an equivalent safe point are then considered suspended animation and will conclude following immediately on from where they left off because outside of sessions time passes in real time

[tepid crane]

Interesting I always ruled it day for day so if you ended a session half way through a quest while camping in the woods and it takes us a week to play again then a week has passed with the assorted provisions used up and downtime allotted

Wouldn’t making time stop for people stuck on a quest potentially mess up the timeline?

[proud osprey]

it didn’t generally

if you were off doing something and wanted to play, cool

new character.

[tepid crane]

Yeah I’m going to allow a stable of like 5 characters max

[proud osprey]

that’s fair

i didn’t have a max. it didn’t come up. a few people had two

[tepid crane]

That’s fair I guess but I’ve got a pretty extensive megadungeon planned so I expect a lot of people to just crawl through and lose track of time/how many rooms deep they are.

[proud osprey]

oh shit

nice tho

i don’t really have any megadungeoning opportunities given where people are

most of those are out west, or up north

[tepid crane]

Yeah I sort of started with a cool dungeon concept then worked my way out from there. Like “Oh well if I have this trader on the first floor of the dungeon where is she getting her supplies from?” And then I make a little depot but then I need a little town to put it in.

sort of like the book “If you give a mouse a cookie”

[proud osprey]

that's fair

[proud osprey]

thinking about my lore a bit

there's an ancient evil god, some kind of blood god, need to figure that out

the blood god spawned poxus, the plague god, the god of rot and disease

and i'm thinking that baron olgimsky the vampire lord is working for the dead blood god to enact vengeance and slay poxus

need a name for the blood god

[prisma sluice]

...hm

Presently debating if I wanna take Light or not as an artificer

On one hand, on-demand light is nice, but on the other, I can just... buy a lantern

[dapper fulcrum]

Can you convince your dm to put your lantern on your hip or such?

Important question

Otherwise that lantern is gonna take up an important hand slot

[prisma sluice]

That's true, I should ask about that first

[vapid flame]

i just want yall to look at this critter
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Feystag?file=Feystag2.png

[modest echo]

whoah

[vapid flame]

i think they might be one of my favorite creatures ive sene so far

[prisma sluice]

Creechur

[vapid flame]

i saw this and just went stright to "i kinda want to make a tabaxi that has fey blood in them or something and sorta looks like a really tall version of this"

[proud osprey]

awesome

[vapid flame]

Ive been sick today so i out of just sorta boredm a little did attempt to make what if it was a playable race no idea if its balanced or not i at least did try to balance it by adding restrictions and lowering the range compared ot the monster version

some stuff like the wisdom throws and items they can chose could be changed to make it weaker/stronger.

[tepid crane]

it's definitly interesting

[vapid flame]

I was def aiming for intresting

[prisma sluice]

Making a mage knight character, presently debating what species I want them to be...

So far I just have Human so I can get Magic Initiate for Druid, but then I realized that Shillelagh-ing my staff is largely rather pointless and I'm better off with something else

It's FUN, but I mean why bother when I can smack em with a sword for the same effect

[dapper fulcrum]

a species with a Teleport option

like shadar kai, githyanki, eladrin, Cloud Giant Goliath if youre using the 2024 player's handbook, etc

[prisma sluice]

Eh?

They have goliath subspecies now?

...wait why do they move 35 feet? That's odd.

[dapper fulcrum]

yep!

[prisma sluice]

Of all species the ones whose gimmick is being huge fucking brick shithouses are the last I'd expect to be fast

[dapper fulcrum]

each subspecies is based on a different giant, with Strike of the Giants-lite abilities it can do each

[prisma sluice]

They do seem quite fun, I might give em a look

I'm just weirded out that they move slightly faster than most other species, it feels... wrong

[vapid flame]

big steps

[prisma sluice]

Was considering maybe a warforged?

Flavor it as some weird ritual of transferring your soul to your armor

Turn into the ultimate warrior and in doing so kind of lock yourself out of regular society in a lot of ways

...honestly that could work well, have it both be a means of squeezing extra effectiveness from the mage knights he's part of and be symbolic of the fact that their duty to protect never ends and thus they can never really lay down their arms and just be regular-ass people

[dapper fulcrum]

yeah warforged is a great option for what youre gunning for conceptwise

[prisma sluice]

Yeah, very flavorful

Dhampir could be interesting too, mage knights enhancing themselves with pseudo-vampirism to enhance their physical prowess

[prisma sluice]

...ugh, they both sound really cool and exactly like the type of shit some less-than-ethical wizards would get up to...

Either excising your own humanity and partially becoming a monster to protect those that can't protect themselves from even worse monsters, or abandoning your very flesh to become a paragon of war and in doing so throw away any chance you ever had to live a normal life

[prisma sluice]

...is Bladesinger any good...?

I might look into that

It does seem REALLY limited though, only two uses of your entire subclass's gimmick per long rest

[vapid flame]

what about valor or swords bard

[prisma sluice]

Maybe, though they have kinda less arcane wizard flavor

[vapid flame]

true but ranger and bard are the ones that feel closest to magic knighty

valor can even use shields

[dapper fulcrum]

uh
they reprinted bladesinger didya know

its now prof mod/long rest number of bladesongs
AND they can replace one of their extra attacks with a cantrip

infuriatingly good, just as Wizards of the Coasts wants it to be >:T

ALSO

aare you using 2014 dnd rules or 2024

because Valor Bard in the 2024 phb can do what Bladesinger does with replacing its extra ttack with a cantrip

[vapid flame]

thats rad

[prisma sluice]

2024

I'm starting at level 3 so it would in fact be 2/long rest bladesongs for me to start

[dapper fulcrum]

okay then

Valor Bard is a valid option for funky gish stuff

gish meaning Magic Knight

[prisma sluice]

Aye

Still the issue of it feeling less arcane somehow, but that can be fixed with reflavoring

[dapper fulcrum]

d8 hit dice and healing spells go a long way

different strokes really

bladesinger wants good dex and has the goated wizard spell list for various damage spells and utility

valor bard can be strength based with the right setup (or hell even CHA based if you wanna dip into 1 level of 2024 warlock) and has a nice support selection of spells (and the occasional devastating CC)

[craggy cloak]

its really going to depend on how your table does long rests

and if you guys do proper encounters or not etc etc

if yall long rest after every big fight its all a moot point yknow

[tepid crane]

Did they change the rest rules in 5.5?

[dapper fulcrum]

Hm

Forgor

I know Prayer of Healing gives you a short rest now at least

[pure elm]

somewhat

mostly in terms of what constitutes interrupting a rest

[sand hornet]

For some reason I've had a major itch for 5e games lately

dunno why

[smoky notch]

it be like that

[proud osprey]

it be like that

join mine

[dapper fulcrum]

Im always itching to run horror 5e

Or high octane action 5e

[proud osprey]

idk if 5e does either of those very well

horror flavoured 5e and survival horror esque 5e can work pretty good. depends what you mean by high octane action 5e tho

[dapper fulcrum]

Theres probs better systems for it deffo but i make do with what i have

[proud osprey]

i had a guy run a game years ago where there were no bonus actions, and he ran combat quite snappy, and it flew by

[dapper fulcrum]

High octane action only works ime if everyone is cracked up with MIs and knows how to do build their characters optimally

[proud osprey]

MI?

[craggy cloak]

define high octane for ttrpg

im curious

[dapper fulcrum]

Magic item

[dapper fulcrum]

Setpiece encounters, lair actions, high stakes or aura harvester villains, pcs can do superhuman shit

[craggy cloak]

oh for sure ive done that

ive also run horror-adjacent 5e for longer than ive run any other kind

[dapper fulcrum]

I did a combat set on two speeding airships chasing each other across the skyline of a flying city

[craggy cloak]

One of my favorites was a lightning rail (magic train) heist where the party were fighting a mindflayer wizard on the rooftop while the other half of the party fought off warforged in several rooms below

[proud osprey]

dope

[dapper fulcrum]

We love lightning railss

Made in eberron for the sole purpose of fighting on em

[craggy cloak]

it was a lot to track as the DM but keeping track of train location for terrain, the twists and turns to affect the insides, and the lair AND legendary actions was worth it

with horror you have to acknowledge that the game loses a lot of horror edge once you hit level 5 due to PC power levels, but you can still keep all the good tone and suspense, you just need to use higher horror like cosmic horror as you go up in tiers

[proud osprey]

wanna run a game with a bit more of a wilderness/survival emphasis

but i think i will get there as the party get a little further along

they need to head up north after the next two story beats they’ve got lined up

and those northerly story beats are gonna treat them to some great outdoorsing

[sand hornet]

Maybe

What you got

(Also I'm a homebrewhead naturally)

[proud osprey]

shrug

what kinda game you enjoy?

[sand hornet]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I like a balance of roleplay and combat, but I'm flexible

[dapper fulcrum]

I dont go with helplessness horror i go with resident evil action horror (even the campy ones)

Sometimes house of the dead style

Or dead space when i hammer the cosmic terror

I also do meta horror

You can do some unnerving things with creative use of the sparse roll20 vtt

You put a spooky token in the gm layer, put it in the player layer behind their token, and when they move their token...

[craggy cloak]

One of my favorite bits during an early horror house escapade was constantly saying "the six of you move inside" until someone went "theres just 5 of us?" and we rolled initiative for the ghost LOL

[proud osprey]

HOUSE OF THE DEAD MENTIONED

i’ve really wanted to do a house of the dead vampire castle megadungeon for a while now

might get the chance for later on in the current campaign

may very well not

depends how things go in smišia

[craggy cloak]

the ambitious rat

[proud osprey]

oh absolutely

this is objectively my most overambitious campaign

narrative, many levels

we’ve been playing about four months, they’re level four now as of the start of next session

there’s actually a trajectory for this campaign to potentially see some extremely high level shit

a mysterious cabal of heretical power players guide the hand above and pull string across the empire

some of whom have ties to the cast of heroes

[craggy widget]

https://youtu.be/o2lWcLI60M0?si=bMhaguvrPJc7_vMx

[proud osprey]

the wood elves are plagued by allandyr, the self-declared king of men and elves, rebelling in the west; the dwarf will learn the meaning of vengeance through the baron ivan okgimsky who was accountable for the violence of the second crusade that killed his father; the humans (one’s a half-elf) are intimately tied up with one member of the big bads specifically, and the dragonborn bard has beef with someone who took up with a pirate after he was betrayed by said bard

i fell asleep typing but it was in the chamber

[tepid crane]

Honestly the older editions are great for horror. Dungeoncrawling gets pretty tense when any ghoul can paralyze or kill you in two turns.

[proud osprey]

yep

or you die to poison like that

or a piercer lands on you and you fucking die

or you end up on the wrong dungeon level by accident and things get scary

[tepid crane]

Hell a lot of monsters just straight up caused fear, insanity, or morale checks and your hirelings could get scared and run off

[craggy cloak]

Hirelings are such a funny concept

[tepid crane]

For the GM that can’t stop making NPCs

[craggy cloak]

I just cant imagine taking my npcs with me everywhere

[proud osprey]

i love d&d with goons

nothing like a good goon sesh in the dungeon

that’s what i call a session where my party have hired goons

[craggy cloak]

understandable rat very good word usage

[proud osprey]

i love old school d&d

my ad&d DMG is already far and away one of if not my favourite ttrpg book

[craggy cloak]

might just be my era and leanings, i just prefer the adventure to be just the PCs, npc allies are off doing other things or are noncombatants for me

[proud osprey]

idk there’s something about either or

but i am with you

i prefer the party to be like

the people going on adventures

maybe a handful of relevant NPCs pending the adventure

also, mounts!!! criminally underrated part of the game

if you’re a PC in my games i really don’t understand why you wouldn’t have a horse or something

even a mule just to carry that shit

[craggy cloak]

I've only had one adventure where a mount was necessary, the others have either been such a small scale or things like "public" transit are commonplace

[proud osprey]

love a mule

[craggy cloak]

It was a frosty adventure so the party had some axebeaks for mounts

some fluffy lads

[proud osprey]

neat

the dwarves call those yakómar in my setting

https://tenor.com/view/k22p-gif-7919002

chasing this vibe

[craggy cloak]

it was fun because i did do a mounted combat of the party on axebeaks vs some duergar on mechanical hounds

[tepid crane]

I love a good wagon

Let’s you carry so much more shit + you can rest while moving

[proud osprey]

a wagon + two mules would cure me

[proud osprey]

that sounds sick

love mounted combat

[tepid crane]

Agreed but it gets kind of hard to pull it off in most games. Imagine a knight trying to guide their horse down some stairs or not cracking their head off every doorway in the dungeon.

[proud osprey]

hence: hirelings

[craggy cloak]

i tend not to do dungeons which helps

[proud osprey]

more of a dragon man i see

[craggy cloak]

I guess i should say i do "dungeons" mechanically but i just prefer big forests and such as my medium of choice

[proud osprey]

i think i used to be like that

some time around 2020 i probably shifted

when i ran return to castle sabergard

here's the kicker: that was the firs adventure i set in the sabergard area

idk how i ended up naming it "return". it just sounds good

but yeah, that was a fun mini campaign during covid

had:

• local town
• orc tribes beefing
• dragon cult
• icy castle with dragon boss battle and epic treasure hoard

just made everyone pregens and we were off to the races

[craggy cloak]

i think if i ever got a 4e crew again to do Points of Light or my homebrew world i'd use dungeons waaaaay more

[proud osprey]

that's pretty fair

5e doesn't lend itself especially well to dungeons

i mean it does, BUT

with an asterisk

i think OD&D — 2e AD&D, those editions are dungeon crawling/wilderness survival games that gain a sociopolitical dimension as you progress into late-game

[craggy cloak]

I really like the 4e setting Points of Light for dungeoning

[tepid crane]

The dungeon crawling is still in it’s bones though

Like the gear table still has a 10 foot pole

[craggy cloak]

one day ill use a 10ft pole

never seen it before

[proud osprey]

3e, 3.5e and 5e are harder to define, but they favour a slightly more eclectic playstyle from the outset, with a mix of all of the above. and then 4e is an action hero rpg

[proud osprey]

ran a game once where someone grabbed it with their rolled cash at the start, and they ended using it to spit roast a pig

[tepid crane]

Ingenuity

[proud osprey]

but it's there to check for traps

[tepid crane]

Might make a good distraction if you run into wolves now too since it’s a bacon smelling stick

[proud osprey]

he didn't wanna ditch his spear in case he needed it for combat at camp

[craggy cloak]

and in my homebrew-wip world dungeons just spontaneously exist due to the proximity to ancient magic and the other planes

one day a cave appears that goes deep into the crust etc etc

[proud osprey]

having read all of dungeon meshi last week, i like the idea that dungeons are supernatural spaces that are somewhat beyond the control of the magicians who created them

[craggy cloak]

that was part of my inspiration

dungeons form around magic items that were accidentally scattered into the world

[proud osprey]

that's cool

magical items are like seeds

i think for my dungeons are typically the ruins of many thousands of years of powerful and magically potent civilisations

so for example

the dwarves of dóth have existed in their area for millennia, in various forms of political organisation, and they just build down until shit happens

so across that part of the northwestern continent, there are many dwarven ruins buried in the hills and mountains with an intense bounty of magical treasure

on inkarnate

MAPPIN

[tepid crane]

My current megadungeon project is based off a line from Monty Python and the Holy Grail

There’s a line during the marriage part where the king says “Everyone said I was daft for building a castle in the middle of a swamp. And when it sunk they thought they were right. But then I built another on top of it!”

So my megadungeon is just 4 castles connected top to bottom with each other and submerged under a swamp marsh.

[ocean geyser]

"They said I was daft to build a castle in the swamp, but I built it anyway, just to show 'em! ...It sank into the swamp. SO, I built a second one! ...That sank into the swamp. So I built a third one! That burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp, BUT THE FOURTH ONE STAYED UP!"

[proud osprey]

@tepid crane put me in it

[tepid crane]

alright what do you want put in it

I got plenty of room to jam dungeon traders/NPCs in there on like the second, third, and fourth castle (Althought actually the fourth castle is mostly filled with like CR13 undead)

[proud osprey]

CR13 undead you say

[dapper fulcrum]

Nightwalker is less scary when you got a necromancer who turns it into a pet

[tepid crane]

the BBEG is a vampire lord

[proud osprey]

oh dope

is he dracula? is he twelve million years old

put me in there as an awakened rat merchant on the vampire floor

[tepid crane]

I mean if anyone would be able to avoid all those undead monsters it's a rat

[proud osprey]

exactly

put me in there

give him an eyepatch if you must. make him smoke. a real character

he’ll cut you a deal if you bring cheese

[tepid crane]

you know what there is actually a witch that turns people into Newts (they usually get better) but I think as an exception some shmuch could be turned into a rat.

[proud osprey]

brilliant

give him really good wares

like magic items n shit

[obsidian jasper]

My dm keeps giving the paladin all kinds of items, is that bc paladins just need help

My party consists of me a sorlock (hexblade and divine soul)

A Druid

And a fighter battle massager

Also the dm says he gets items bc he’s involved in the story the most which is fair imo

But he also give the paladin more items in general

Is that like normal?

[pure elm]

Definitely not

[tepid crane]

As in “here’s a reward for following the plot.” Or “you paid attention to the story and went out of your way to find a magic item mentioned.”

[obsidian jasper]

You paid attention to the plot

[proud osprey]

i think a big thing to note is that you guys are young right?

so you’re basically all still just figuring it out. still at the throw it at the wall and see what sticks phase of DND

if it’s bothering you, bring it up with each other, not with us

[obsidian jasper]

Ye everyone except the dm

Tbf dm is like not that much older than the oldest player

[obsidian jasper]

Will do, was most asking bc I wasn’t sure

[narrow solar]

Wildly late to this conversation, however:

• At more than one point in the Realms, gnolls have not been specifically demonic spirits bound to Yeenoghu but a living, free-willed species with a culture that venerated him following his overthrowing of the lesser god Gorellik. The idea of Yeenoghu creating the first gnolls is quite possibly propaganda or misunderstanding, as Gorellik has a known history in ancient times.
• There was a known madness in previous editions of the game which quelled the endless hunger of the gnoll.
• Gnolls in modern times are effectively broken as kryshantel on a species level, with fiends being implanted in hyena hosts replacing their normal methods of reproduction.
• There was a known and prominent Netherese gnoll faction dedicated to Amaunator, a LN Sun God who is also an aspect of Lathander, as well as gnolls who favored neither Yeenoghu nor their older god Gorellik and venerated the fey or became full-blown "the divine is not my concern" types.

It is entirely acceptable to suggest your non-fiend, non-evil gnoll is the result of a number of things, if you ever feel the need to justify them in the context of the Forgotten Realms canon:

• An ancient Netherese who has been in some form of stasis or was somehow returned from death.
• Locked out of the Hunger by some particular, inescapable madness (ie: that thing every other humanoid has by default that makes us not universally susceptible to Yeenoghu's influence) that sates it.
• A population of gnolls who have dwelled in the feywild under a Court's protection since the times before Yeenoghu overtook Gorellik and dominated the gnoll species.
• The result of the machinations of a miracle of Lathander, perhaps converting an entire population of gnolls, quite possible after his return in 1486.

I don't have official mechanics for you but not only can you ignore the MM's suggestions, it's fun and good to do it.

One of the things I like about Forgotten Realms even if it isn't my favorite setting is that there's pretty much a historical precedent for you to take anything the books say you can't do and go "lmao okay doing it anyway".

[prisma sluice]

...stupid question

What might one do with their bonus action as a fighter

Specifically an eldritch knight

[tepid crane]

Use an ability, cast a spell, draw a different weapon, do a second weapon attack if you have one in your offhand, potion, feat ability

[prisma sluice]

I would offhand strike but the new dual wielding only lets you dual wield light weapons

Which is

Really fucking lame

And my issue is, I'm using a longsword and a quarterstaff with a war mage ruby

[craggy cloak]

Its always been light weapons only without feats

Outside of spells and feat-specifc actions, EK Fighter doesnt use or need a bonus action

[tepid crane]

Wait did they remove the whip from the 2024 weapon table?

[craggy cloak]

No

Its in there

[tepid crane]

Hmm must of missed it from page I was on

Looks like I can still castlevania although 1d4 is pitiful

[craggy cloak]

Reach+Finesse with weapon mastery Slow gives you fun tools

[frail hull]

A small dip into fighter to give my rouge proficiency with heavy cross bows has been very effective. Able to give myself advantage if I don't move and sharpshooter feat. Sneak attack damage from a football field away. And if they get too close, he can always run for it.

[proud osprey]

they better not

indiana jones build viable

[proud osprey]

this is narsty

surely you’re just one rounding anything at level 1

[frail hull]

Well, the ability that let's you give advantage while not moving takes a few levels to get, and then there is the 2 lvl dip into fighter ( it works with only one, but action surge on a rouge has been a life saver ) so its really coming online around lvl 7 or so.

[narrow solar]

I just think it's funny that with vex and nick I can do barbarian rogue with a short sword and scimitar and do funny numbers

STR assassin go brrr

[proud osprey]

gamers new forbidden god just dropped in my d&d setting

avarion

a winged elf-like being

the dark god of pride and splendour

led the elves astray

[tepid crane]

I also finally got to implement one of my settings gods into my game after waiting so long

New-eb (noob) god of rookies, apprentices, and novices

When it comes to adventurers that die in the presence of a priest of New-eb, the exact circumstance of their death is recorded on a slab along with how the priest thinks that fate could best be avoided by others.

Also praying to New-eb lets you hear what are essentially somewhat video game-esqe tips.

Very stupid and jokey but I came up with it on a Pratchett binge

[proud osprey]

i think the cadric pantheon would have like. novis

not a play on any word

god of new beginnings and experience and fools

[vapid flame]

yall know about the discount dvd bin at places like walmart

you ever think about that but what if it was magic items

[dapper fulcrum]

yea
no wallmarts though i dont live in wallmartland

[dapper fulcrum]

in places like eberron or worlds with high magic item production yea

lots of common magic items there probably
or +1 daggers

[vapid flame]

i mainly started thinking of this cause i had an idea for a charcter that liked magic items, but to make it where they arent some annoying charcter that hogs stuff, maybe a lot of their stuff is dvd magic item bin stuff

like a glove that summons snowballs

just normal snowballs

[dapper fulcrum]

thats fun

[vapid flame]

yeah mainly items that are maybe sometimes useful

[frail hull]

Eberon Temu is wild!

[proud osprey]

discount wands and scrolls would make sense

damaged bag of holding

now that’s a racket

[proud osprey]

thinkin about orcs

[craggy cloak]

orcs are cool

[modest echo]

The sensitive orc

[proud osprey]

orcs are cool

[vapid flame]

yeah boar people are cool

[proud osprey]

big fan always been a big fan

[proud osprey]

specifically thinking about this

i don’t just want orcs in my setting to be green elves

[vapid flame]

i find orc and kobolds inrtesting in how in japan you see boar orcs and dogbolds

[modest echo]

then who are the green elfs going to be

[craggy cloak]

ill be a grelf

[proud osprey]

wood elfs

[modest echo]

sensible

[craggy cloak]

i really like to lean into how hardy orcs are/should be

[proud osprey]

slightly fuzzy tusked fellas

built like brick shithouses

[obsidian jasper]

quick question, I'm currently in a campaign with a chill dm, small issue is that his fights are hard. Not an issue for me but bc of two of the players our party composition is kinda weird, we don't really have a tank

do we need one?

current composition is :

• one cleric death domain
• One hexadin
• A multiclass of a fighter and wizard
• Me (A custom necromancer class)

[craggy cloak]

There really isnt party compositions in 5e, to be frank

It does help to have someone up front, which several of your guys could handle at a glance, but it really doesnt stop anything, theres no Tanking in 5e

if it makes the other two players feel bad they should bring it up but otherwise?

[obsidian jasper]

One player keeps dying, I get yelled at bc apparently running away as a spell caster is dumb those are the reasons I'm asking

[craggy cloak]

Why are they yelling at you

[obsidian jasper]

bc it's a "pussy move"

to create distance between my sorlock and the enemy melee fighters

[craggy cloak]

You should talk to the dm about that

[obsidian jasper]

Will do

I mean I'm switching class anyway

bc new stuff

but good point

[tepid crane]

that's a commong thing?

[proud osprey]

i think this is true

BUT only insofar as the game still has like utility, high damage output, and defensive builds

[proud osprey]

thinking i might try and use passive skill scores more

i am a new vegas man after all, not a fallout 3 one

[tepid crane]

Eh, some people like rolling dice and having mechanics for the skills they made their character awesome at. Taking away that roll could bum them out so check with players beforehand

[craggy cloak]

i use passive skills often for mundane stuff; im a firm believer there should only be a roll when failure is interesting, so it combines nicely with "yeah rogue you have +10 to lockpicking so any normal door in this city opens for you*"
*in normal circumstances with no time rush etc

[proud osprey]

mostly i just mean what murdoc’s describing

[craggy cloak]

i think its a fun way to show off how weird adventurers are

like the dude with high passive insight being a lie detector for commonfolk

[tepid crane]

mmm I roll when there is a chance for failure, like you don't need to make an animal handling check for every 30 feet of movement while riding a horse etc

[tepid crane]

I also don't think adventurers should have super human abilities over normal people. A normal person can lie or be a judge of character just as well as a dude who goes running around in caves stabbing goblins.

[craggy cloak]

Differences in our game design and interpretations then; I think adventurers are freaks

normal people dont dungeon dive or fight dragons or learn spells above 2nd level

[tepid crane]

nothing against adventurers being freaks and weirdos but I just don't see how an adrenaline junky profession should make you incredibly charismatic or etc

[modest echo]

"should" is a funny word

[craggy cloak]

If you're rocking 16+ charisma you are incredibly charismatic, yknow? That's just how it is, folk naturally bend an ear, take in your opinion, your threats hold weight and hava aura

The cleric with incredibly high insight is uncannily good at looking into your soul and seeing the truth

This isn't even including the kind of nonsense magic items do to make you more and more inhuman

[tepid crane]

right but 16+ Charisma could totally be a thing anyone in a tiny village has. Just because the focus of the game is on the characters in your game doesn't mean that they are anything special.

But yeah adventurers have way more magic items then the normal person because their whole job is stealing them from other people's tombs.

[craggy cloak]

Ah, I disagree there, I stick pretty close to the commoner statblock being all 10s and below

if an npc even has a 12+ in a stat its pretty notable

[tepid crane]

I don't know how I feel about those stat blocks, if a peasant gets ennobled does their charisma jump by 4 or are their stats the same?

[craggy cloak]

Ennobled?

Ah, if they "change" what they are? Sure. I'm game mechanics first over the narrative, so I would simply use the new statblock, if something like that happens.

But thats not something i have to worry about per say, if i plan on having someone turn into a noble they'll just be a noble in the first place.

Or have their own bespoke NPC statblock

[tepid crane]

definitely a difference in design/playstyle then

[frail hull]

Could also be a case where the PCs become adventures because they have abnormally high stats. Otherwise why would they take up a career lethal to most people?

I tend to cap NPCs that are not meant to be hurdles to the PCs at 14.

[craggy cloak]

Which came first, the stats or the adventuring backstory- i jest i jest

[tepid crane]

If I had a knack for magic and a 18 intelligence score I’m not climbing around in an old tomb looking for silver candle holders, I’m marching up to the king and asking to be his court wizard.

[frail hull]

You can certainly try

But what king would hire a lvl 1 wizard?

[craggy cloak]

just means that person isnt a Player Character yet so we just wait

[tepid crane]

Does every arch wizard NPC to go through player class building

[tepid crane]

Also this implies there is a shift when a character is put into play which is definitely not normal

[craggy cloak]

Not normal?

I just mean that if someones an npc court wizard and they just want to do court wizard stuff, thats fine, but thats not a player character so im unconcerned largely with whats going on or their stats "as a player character"

I dunno where the idea of a shift is coming in, but there is indeed one occuring in terms of agency, direction, and control if a player character is coming in from a previously-assumed role of an npc in the world

[tepid crane]

I don’t really mentally split NPCs and PCs in my mind, they are all actors in the story

[modest echo]

some significant incident kicking off a campaign and putting characters into play (as Player Characters) is pretty common

[modest echo]

but without protagonists?

[craggy cloak]

Yeah, they serve very different mechanical purposes and story purposes for me

[tepid crane]

The players are the protagonists of their own story that the game focuses on

[frail hull]

The more I think on it, the more I think the stats came first. If for no other reason then those without a certain skill floor just, don't make enough of an impact on the world. Those that do,and have the opportunity to exercise those skills either become PCs, or notable NPCs. Those that don't are what make up the majority of the population. So yeah, you can have a random villager with 16 charisma, but they aren't going to have a villager Stat block, they will be something like a spy or mayor or something.

[proud osprey]

thinking about the inquisition

and the emperor

and the empire

and magic

and god

[craggy widget]

https://youtu.be/f9mAQPU38Po?si=4POjFcndQPZM3-U1

[lament geode]

I have acquired the monster manual 2024

[dapper fulcrum]

Whats yer opinion on it sofar

[lament geode]

It's pretty neat

Nothing spectacular, but it makes some improvements in line with the other 2024 stuff

[dapper fulcrum]

I like the knights and pirates

[proud osprey]

thoughts?

angels: smash or pass

[lament geode]

I see no angels in this book so far

however

[sand hornet]

owo

[vapid flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/598855317278687242/905153075134734376/647333321512058900.gif

cat

[cosmic geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-trigger-anime-studio-trigger-dungeon-anime-gif-9966426212607434483

[dapper fulcrum]

Devas, Planetars and Solars

which aren't called Angels but they are

[modest echo]

It's genius

[normal crow]

doesn't even define what the Restrained condition is smh

[timber sleet]

im Normal about this

[modest echo]

seeing some real good gold dragon art

in the new MM

[proud osprey]

smash

[craggy widget]

Is the new MM out I cant tell

[dapper fulcrum]

its out

uhh

for select places (physical), some ddb users? (im in a content sharing campaign with a friend so i see it)
but the worldwide release is later this month

[modest echo]

I got the pics from someone who was reading through it

probably through DDB tho

[merry atlas]

Guess I'm calling my FLGS tomorrow.

[normal crow]

Feb 18th is the full release date, with pre-releases of various sorts (i.e. through DNDB) already under way.

[lament geode]

My LGS was just... selling them

[normal crow]

Sometimes it do be like that

[merry atlas]

Yeah mine did that with the alt-print of the DMG, so hearing this has me ready to scramble to pick up the book tomorrow.

Because I want the alt-print for this one.

[light moss]

I don't know where to post this so I'll post it here

Level 5 rouge scout with vicious musket, 20 dex thanks to rolling stats, soldier background, Savage attacker, sharpshooter

[frail hull]

How did they get Profincy with the musket?

[light moss]

Mastery seems to provide proficiency

[frail hull]

You have to have prof with a weapon to take its mastery

[craggy cloak]

assuming this is a campaign with muskets in it, the GM could just pass it along with the setting under other ranged profs

[frail hull]

They are already in the book. It's that they are martial weapons and rouges are limited to light or finnesed martial weapons. Which a musket isn't.

Now if the GM gave special persmison for this to happen, sure. But without knowing that I am assuming vanilla rules.

It's why the heavy crossbow rouge I posted a while back with this same idea needed a bit of fighter for ot to work

[craggy cloak]

I'm aware of how it all works dw

[light moss]

That's good to know, I'll just take a quick dip into the fighter class to make it work

Although i won't be doing more 1d6 damage, just having a vicious magical weapon is more than enough dps

[frail hull]

Especially if your gm let's you reroll the sneak attack dice as well.

[light moss]

Yeah not sure how that interacts with Savage attacker but musket being a 1d12 makes this very appealling

[frail hull]

There is some confusion if sneak attack counts, I've heard both sides, but yeah. Give yourself advantage with steady aim, and snipe away. That d12 will add up

[light moss]

Not to mention archery as fighter counts for muskets lol

Accuracy and +5+Dex is basically sure to hit something almost every turn

And as a scout, I still technically have movement even when stationary

[frail hull]

Nice

[merry atlas]

I managed to snag one of the last three copies my FLGS had.

[dapper fulcrum]

congrats!

[lament geode]

Hell yeah

My LGS had D&D class themed candles

Barbarian kinda goes hard

[normal crow]

Of course they're out of Bard and Druids, and nearly out of Sorcerer's

[lament geode]

Also game masters lol

[craggy widget]

https://www.prismaticwasteland.com/blog/control-weather-should-not-be-a-spell

[normal crow]

Has a point and makes it relatively well, then squanders it making a subclass.

[flat gull]

https://www.enworld.org/threads/d-d-adds-two-new-books-to-2025-slate-including-new-eberron-book.710194/

[proud osprey]

october probably an adventure

[frail hull]

Supposedly they said no adventure books this year. But who knows?

[proud osprey]

chumps

then it’ll probably be a setting guide

better be something cool

but i don’t buy them really so

[tepid crane]

Might be something greyhawk since it’s the new “main setting”

[proud osprey]

that’s cool

seems like a weird move tho! considering greyhawk is so specifically old school play coded

[frail hull]

It could be because of how much pushback forgotten realms was getting as an overused setting.

[proud osprey]

forgotten realms SHOULD be overused in my mind but idk. there’s more to it than that

[frail hull]

🤷‍♂️ I'm sure there is an interview out there, but haven't felt like looking for it. I rarely use the default settings anyway.

[flat gull]

Greyhawk is being pushed for organized play

[proud osprey]

this makes sense

[tepid crane]

what's organized play again?

[craggy cloak]

Officially run product at stores, i.e. Adventurers League type stuff

Has more of a rigid rule structure and modularity to it

[tepid crane]

interesting

is it fun?

[vapid flame]

puffin forrest has a few stories on him both playing and dming for it

[modest echo]

fun enough for people to keep coming back

[dapper fulcrum]

I play Adventurers League, its one of the only consistent places you can play T3 and T4 content

[dapper fulcrum]

Im not a fan of his content and how he presents things like P2e but i can confirm that the adventure with the useless DMPC is real

The quality of organized play modules varies greatly. You got some great stuff that puts officially produced products to shame, and you got some really janky stuff

A good chunk are community created which is nice

[dapper fulcrum]

your mileage might vary

Imagine an episodic format of 4-5 hour long self contained adventures where you consistently switch parties (unless youre playing with a set group) and usually level up at the end of the session

Magic items are abundant, but the format makes backstory exploration and digressions from the main plot lacking severely

[vapid flame]

he likes p2e now

[craggy cloak]

ive run it before for a store for pay

[dapper fulcrum]

Nice

[craggy cloak]

Really the biggest thing is that outside of people breaking store rules etc, you have to run for who you get

This is obviously a mixed bag

[dapper fulcrum]

I run/play it online which lets you vett people easier

And mixed bags and mixed parties are a downside

[tepid crane]

Absurd is my favourite internet dnd character.

great voice.

[vapid flame]

theres an acvhement for basicly douing that in bg3 without respecing

[merry atlas]

What I've heard, we're getting two books together for Forgotten Realms. One that's all the fluff, etc and the other more mechanics, classes? And then we got the Eberron book.

[dapper fulcrum]

Wary of the FR fluff book

Theres some stuff that would be better off in the past but knowing wotc theyrell be annoying changes like putting Gem Dragon stuff where it doesnt belong

[proud osprey]

FR book would make some sense since we just got UA on exactly that

thinkin about my setting again some more

[tepid crane]

Mmmmm level drain delicious

[trail bane]

THE TARRASQUE HAS FINALLY BEEN FIXED

IT HAS A BREATH ATTACK

IT CAN FUCKING BURROW

AND CLIMB

OUGH I LOVE THIS

[craggy widget]

Still dies to 300 peasant with crossbows

[craggy cloak]

thats the funniest dumb hypothetical that gets tossed around

one day i hope someone tries to pull that off in a real game

[craggy widget]

I have a +5 CHA mod and too much gold watch me

[craggy cloak]

just keep rolling men, eventually your piss poor stat bonus will do something and hopefully the DM does absolutely nothing during that

[pure elm]

those aarakocra with longbows are no joke

[craggy cloak]

yeah that one at least makes more sense

[tepid crane]

I mean 300 people with crossbows isn't actually that extreme.

like for the battle of agincort the french army had 2000 crossbowmen

so since a tarrasque is like if godzilla showed up, I think a nation would at least try to send an army at it.

[craggy cloak]

300 soldiers is one thing

300 peasants vs one of the most infamous creatures in the realms? lol

[pure elm]

it's usually the one that's actually a more serious example
because previously the Tarrasque had basically no recourse against an aarakocra with a longbow or Sacred Flame

[craggy cloak]

lmao, even

[pure elm]

and depending on the range of the breath weapon now, it still might not

[tepid crane]

actually a quick search shows it was 4000 crossbowmen

[tepid crane]

no I do agree it's stupid that they can do that yeah.

[craggy cloak]

mostly it asks for good encounter design i.e. tarrasque with like, gargoyles or mephits

[tepid crane]

the tarrasque is actually very killable.

[grave hollow]

I am being reminded of a thing from 3.5's Complete Warrior.

Foot soldiers also disperse more widely and use ranged attacks more often; even fifty 1st-level warriors can’t bring down a giant in melee, but they can wear it down with arrows, and if they're spread out, the giant won't kill more than a few of them each round.

[craggy cloak]

its mostly just funny to me cuz mathematically, commoners cannot ever damage the tarrasque as far as im aware

[modest echo]

doesn't it have frightful presence too

[craggy cloak]

yes

120ft range which is funny

[modest echo]

yeah
i guess they could stand outside it but
it can dash to close the gap

[pure elm]

they can hit on a 20, but yeah

[grave hollow]

Well, the biggest barrier is one particular immunity.

"Bludgeoning, Piercing, and Slashing from Nonmagical Attacks"

[pure elm]

oh right the non magic BPS immunity, forgot

[grave hollow]

So the proper narrative use of Damage reduction. 😛

[tepid crane]

how much does magical amunition cost again?

[pure elm]

a bit

and you'd need too much

[craggy cloak]

its why you need proper heroes to deal with a tarrasque

or just avoid it entirely

[tepid crane]

new plan 300 level 1 wizards with magic missile all lined up like a Napoleonic army

[craggy cloak]

oh boy i have fun news for you

[pure elm]

also works, yeah

[craggy cloak]

Reflective Carapace. Any time the tarrasque is targeted by a magic missile spell, a line spell, or a spell that requires a ranged attack roll, roll a d6. On a 1 to 5, the tarrasque is unaffected. On a 6, the tarrasque is unaffected, and the effect is reflected back at the caster as though it originated from the tarrasque, turning the caster into the target.

[pure elm]

wait does the Carapace affect MM?

I forgot

oh yeah it does

[tepid crane]

seems so.

[pure elm]

but yeah you want Dex saves mostly

because the Tarrasque is trash at them

hence, Sacred Flame

[craggy cloak]

Its more helpful to think of the Tarrasque less of a standup fight encounter and more of a puzzle fight IMO

[tepid crane]

okay so we need 1800 wizards

[craggy cloak]

not "how do we fight in in this 90 by 90 map" but "okay how do we prevent it from literally knocking the entire city over"

[tepid crane]

also only time I've beaten a tarasque was with like 2 tons of chalk and a really big teleportation circle.

[craggy widget]

Its like 150 ft cone

[proud osprey]

i’ve always seen the tarrasque as fantasy godzilla

breath weapon is a good touch

[modest echo]

relevant article
https://www.vintagerpg.com/2024/11/a-little-lecture-on-the-biggest-beasts-of-tabletop-roleplaying-games/

[trail bane]

CHAT I THINK IM FUCKING COOKING HERE

I GENUINELY THINK IM COOKING WITH THIS RANDOM AND SUDDEN LORE DUMP IM GONNA THROW UPON MY PLAYERS IN THE FORM OF TORN UP TOMES AND BOOKS

HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THIS LORE DUMP FOR MY BBEGS

[proud osprey]

could you send this in text format? so it’s easier for me to read

[trail bane]

Malzeno Lore:

Book 1: "-His necromancy was shunned by the people, and his works of art spat upon by those who deemed him as little more than a twisted drake who refused to let souls rest. But he knew better than them. He knew art could
be created in many ways. All it took was a spark to kindle the raging inferno. A grand spectacle to win the recognition he so desperately clawed his way towards.-"

Book 2: "-And as he stepped forth to embrace the final challenge that awaited him. The white-scaled dragon was ruthlessly struck down by the one who guided him. From humble beginnings to a violent
end. He died as he lived: A husk that was forever sheltered from his true potential.-" The rest of the book is burned beyond recognition, and remains unreadable.

Book 3: "As if by twisted fate. He crawled from the shallow tomb he rest beneath for centuries before. Skin pale and desheviled, body devoid of blood, he arose. Bones cracking and breath colder than the icy peaks that Pokke sat upon, he stumbled forth into the night, a destiny awaiting that not even he could recognize."

Book 4 (possibly near vecna's corpse): "With shaken hands he dug until his newly blood-filled hands were raw and painted with the crimson he stole from those around him. He did not know why or who called upon him, yet he burrowed until the tomb greeted his bloodshot gaze. He was home. Home to his master. Home to-"
The page is torn off, leaving nothing more to read.

Book 5 (?): "On his knees he pleaded to the gods, yet none heard his prayers. They turned their winged backs towards him and left him to rot in their shadows, yet the shadows did not claim him. Instead a fifth light reached out to the dragon's form. The fifth light spoke: The others hear you not, yet I do. I will grant
you an army to control, and a purpose to exist. Free my children so we may claim this world from the pretenders. He was the first." The book ends abruptly with the rest of the pages remaining unfilled.

Fiend Lore:

Book 1: "-The angels screamed as their forms were torn asunder, crimson pooling beneath their disgraced forms as the council pried the wings from their backs. Their punishment was long and torturous,
as they were cast to the hells to forever serve their days as little more than husks of their former selves. Yet the undying god saw through their wrecked masses, and granted them a piece of his power, allowing his new angels to rise anew."

Book 2: "-As they plotted....planned....acted on their methods to reclaim the heavens, the gods saw their corruption. The gods knew what was to come if the fallen were to crawl out of hell's depths, and so they created a new layer: Avernus.
A pit to separate the mortal plane with the hells. And to prevent their exit, the gods created a guardian of it's own....Dalamadur..."

Book 3: "WE WANT TO BE FREE. TO SEE THE BEAUTIFUL SKIES. TO BREATHE THE FRAGILE AIR. TO BALANCE LIFE AND BALANCE DEATH. FOR ALL WE ARE MADE FOR. LET US OUT. LET US OUT. LET US OUT. LET US OUT. LET US OUT. LET US OUT. LET U-"
The rest of the pages are nothing but "LET US OUT" written with dried blood. Blood which seems to have burned the paper it was written onto.
.

Book 4: A journal harvested from a demon's corpse: "The renaissance failed. Dalamadur saw through the trickery we had bestowed before it in attempts to buy us time. A gift from the gods no doubt. Dalamadur sent down his own creations upon us as we mounted our engines and readied our weapons.
We stood no chance against his children, who stood infused with his holy energy. But Gaismagorm did. He corrupted Dalamadur's seeds, and one by one they fell to their own corruption, bringing Dalamadur down soon after, the serpent falling from the mountain he once called home."
"...The gods didnt like that..."

Book 5: "With Dalamadur gone, we wasted little time with swarming the entrance. It was our way out, but the gods were ready. They sent their own angels down towards the entrance, and by the nine hells they fought back every wave that was sent their way. Gaismagorm himself was struck down by the angels,
who strung his lifeless carcass up upon the gates as a warning for all who dared oppose them in the future. We were under divine punishment for daring to oppose the four during the great war. Yet we feel no regrets for our losing war. For Gaismagorm was reawoken recently, and Knuckledragger escaped during the chaos
that happened so long ago.-" "-Only one of the fallen remains now. He serves as our leader, as our beacon of hope within Avernus itself. One day we will revolt against the heavens and pry the very stars from the sky. In Fatalis' name we will prevail."

there ya go

Myrkul has no lore yet

(temporary name)

(I'm not much of a writer either so im doing my best here, lmao)

[proud osprey]

yeah that’s better

juicy

[trail bane]

What do you think of it 👁️

[proud osprey]

my only issue

is like

so these are all books

?

[trail bane]

pages from books, yes.

they're pretty much the only salvageable parts from things found around maps. Books, letters, diaries, etc

i just named them books for the time being to make things easier

[earnest schooner]

This is good epistolary writing.

[trail bane]

much appreciated! i'm not much of a writer as I mentioned so i'm glad it all worked out

[proud osprey]

maybe just spread them out across less “books”, because some of them seem decently connected or sequential from one another

[trail bane]

oh yea i wanted that so it was convoluted. some of them are found far apart and some are close together

the Fiend's lore (Possibly "Indomitus") is gonna be close together as it's in scattered diary pages about the past

Malzeno's however will be pretty scattered as he didnt want his story to get out

[trail bane]

Was i getting a little too fucked up when I wrote: "Fatalis reached out into the man, and spoke to the man from behind the gods' backs with a voice stolen from his kin: 'The wyrmling is corrupted. It will spell doom for those who gaze upon it. It will taint the water and rot the land it steps on. You must slay it for the survival of the world.' And so the man laid the wyrmling upon the pedestal."

i'm still not done here but it's easy to see where this is going

current lore for my illithid themed bbeg:

Book 1: "The man prayed on his hands and knees for a miracle to be bestowed upon him. His gifts littered the church he sat in, the only life remaining inside being his own deshreviled form. The others had long since perished, and he was the last one breathing and praying inside the secluded temple's walls despite the silence.
Seeing his devotion, the gods listened to his prayers and bestowed upon him a gift. A draconic wyrmling in the form of Cyra, the goddess of the sea, who spoke to the man: 'Take care of my child, and when you are thirsty, you shall recieve water. When you are hungry, you shall recieve food. And when you are ready, you
will be welcomed.' And so the man raised the wyrmling. When he was hungry, he was fed. When he was thirsty, Cyra granted him water."

Book 2: "Fatalis reached out into the man, and spoke to the man from behind the gods' backs with a voice stolen from his kin: 'The wyrmling is corrupted. It will spell doom for those who gaze upon it. It will taint the water and rot the land it steps on. You must slay it for the survival of the world." And so the man laid the wyrmling
upon the pedestal, and plunged a blade into the wyrmling's blue scales until it's last breath was drawn. The voice left the man's mind as he looked at his child, now drawn across the pedestal in a pool of it's own ethereal blood, and he weeped. 'Why did you make me slay my kin, mother of the sea? Did you grow jealous of my success at raising
one of your own?' yet the gods did not answer. He had slain their prodigy, their second coming, their chance for a future on the mortal plane."
"They sought retribution upon the man."

these pages will be pieces from a tome. a bible of sorts if you will

so yeah uh

tldr: Gods gave a praying man a god's child, but big evil dragon man manipulated him into killing the wyrmling

feels a little fucked up but hey. gotta give him a backstory

[trail bane]

chat i've written a bible

[craggy cloak]

hell yeah

[trail bane]

watch your language in front of the lord (jk)

do tell me what you think tho 👁️

[craggy cloak]

i havent had a chance to sit and read any of it yet, but ill do so when i can!!

[trail bane]

ebic

[worthy plank]

Making

B a c k u p C h a r a c t e r

For a party that consists of an arcane trickster, a pally, a bard, and a hexblade

[worthy plank]

Do I make a caster, an illrigger, or a blood hunter?

[sand hornet]

What are you going for, vibe wise?

mechanically a caster may help balance the load, depending on the build and class

[worthy plank]

I'm honestly not rly even at the actual character vibes stage

though the illrigger has the most concrete vibe

that of the 'enemy of my enemy' since we're combating devils

[sand hornet]

mhm

[worthy plank]

she's an architect of ruin who'd join the party to foil an upstart's plans basically

it's a backup character regardless so not likely to join

blood hunter I'm tempted to do a funky cleric multi

I am terminally cursed to G i s h

[dapper fulcrum]

gish is fun

[worthy plank]

gish is fun

but it's like

3/4ths of the party that isn't my character

[tepid crane]

Gish?

[worthy plank]

fuck I'm a ttrpg boomer apparently

[worthy plank]

antiquated term for spellsword XD

based on a githyanki enemy in early D&D that casted and sworded

called a gish

I could

be cringe

and do full bladesinger

[grave hollow]

illrigger 😄

Oh I get to ask the fun question!

What's a Gish mean to you?

[worthy plank]

A class or build which has a significant portion of its kit oriented towards both martial combat and magic

[trail bane]

would y'all believe me if I said every building here has NPCs with personalities and work cycles

because they do

they actually work and sleep at reasonable times 👁️

it's also fully customizable

[tepid crane]

What is this software

[trail bane]

https://www.fantasytowngenerator.com/

[worthy plank]

I kind of wanna try to make an illrigger, but you can't brand enemies with seals with spell attacks

I am a little sad I can't make a heavily armored full caster outside cleric

or an absolutely scuffed wizard build

[merry atlas]

well there is the new gish/caster subclass for the Illrigger.

[worthy plank]

architect of ruin?

[merry atlas]

Aye aye

[worthy plank]

Ye

tis the subclass I would pick

It sadly doesn't let you brand on spells XD

[merry atlas]

😔

Oh well, at least it's still a cool subclass. Think I got three Illriggers sitting in the wing for campaigns.

[worthy plank]

Mine is very deliberately meant to be playing against type in how they're perceived by others

gold dragonborn, shining heavy armor with a lion's pelt for a cape

Totally a paladin guys

[proud osprey]

i don’t love the intense symmetry of subclass nomenclature

like it works for design but like

“oh i’m a troubadour” VS “oh im a skald” VS “oh im a tumbler” are different things

[frail hull]

Could make them a sorrocer. With the dragon bloodline and start at 13 plus dex AC. Then flavor mage armour to look like Plate?

[proud osprey]

lion pelt slaps

[worthy plank]

toooootally a generic hero guys

[worthy plank]

I mean the concept was solidified as an illrigger already

[merry atlas]

Now is it a sorta golden brown lion, with the bright mane? Or darker with grey?

[worthy plank]

more of a brown mane

[tepid crane]

So what’s the twist, are they evil or a blubbering coward?

[worthy plank]

the former

illriggers are servants of specific archdevils

in her case, Asmodeus

[merry atlas]

Though the individuals themselves don't necessarily have to be strictly evil Lawful though, absolutely. Well depending on the subclass/archdevil.

[worthy plank]

they don't necessarily, but in this setting it'd be fun

the other backup idea I have is a deep gnome bladesinger or blood hunter

[merry atlas]

I got a Painkiller Dragonborn Illrigger, a Warforged Illrigger, a Tiefling one, and another Tiefling Illrigger that's a Hellspeaker. Also a Goliath Illrigger.

I might have a problem

Saw a campaign where someone is doing the Valikan civil war hook, and I'm sitting there like "Would I make a character that sides with Kandar, or this warlord looking to unite the Valikan Clans and probably move on the reunited Ostoya?"

[vapid flame]

i find it funny your name has fey friend but you have 5 illriggers

i think the fey stuff is neat mainly cause in my head i imagine it as very ghibli

[merry atlas]

Tbf Fey is my go to for Warlock. And the name is cause of how often I go to bat for the Fae when friends start dissing them

If I was in a PF2E campaign I’d probably make a Hellknight at some point

[vapid flame]

one thing i dislike about fey is the whole take your name thing, i feel like it would be more intrested if it only appled to those in a contract of some kind, and maybe the true name stuff could apply to diffrent stuff like items instead like their abilty to use the true name of certain materials lets them make cool stuff

[flat gull]

https://www.blogofholding.com/?p=8469

oh btw

monster manual math day

[proud osprey]

holy shit this is gorgeous

[worthy plank]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15B-NHpUckCnEAYobyOtxZCbnaCLkJhxkV0Vbds7FwCw/edit?usp=sharing

hehe getting back to this fucking thing

[lament geode]

Broke: "I have this character concept and you HAVE to let me play it one to one, no changes or alterations whatsoever, it's my ultra special character he's my OC and I've played him in every campaign the exact same way regardless of the world"
Woke: "I have this character I like playing, and I'd like to try and make him fit in this world as best as I can with respect to the setting. I understand some changes will have to be made and am willing to compromise, so long as the core idea is untouched."

[tepid crane]

The great tiefling flood of 2015

[dapper fulcrum]

this is my philosophy

i have a bunch of blorbos i play across different ttrpgs who have the same concept that ive modified across settings

[lament geode]

Which is the based way to do it

[tepid crane]

I don’t understand build crafting that much, one of my players came to me with this whole level 20 build saying “I can’t wait until I can get these synergies.” But this dungeon really only goes to like level 10.

And also like, what if something happens in the campaign that diverts your build. Like losing an arm or going blind.

[grave hollow]

Is... Is there mechanics for losing limbs in 5e?

[tepid crane]

Yes

Granted it’s a DMG table but it’s pretty commonly used

[proud osprey]

oh yeah

[frail hull]

Either find a cleric to restore the missing parts, or have a magical replacement grafted on I guess.

[tepid crane]

Well right yeah, my point is though that “builds” aren’t very likely to be the best option since a campaign isn’t white room combat and outside factors can cripple or subvert your expectations

[modest echo]

they have nether dragons now???

[craggy cloak]

Theres an optional rule for Lingering Injuries, ive never heard of it being used until now

Combat Options section of the 2014 DMG, ch9

If you take a crit, drop to 0, or fail a death saving throw by 5 or more, you could have to roll a d20, and on a 1-3 you lose a limb of various types.

Its a fairly punishing table that adds to either an extremely gritty campaign or party death spirals, especially depending on your build.

[craggy cloak]

yeah! theres a little minecraft tie-in

[craggy widget]

https://www.dndbeyond.com/posts/1578-the-minecraft-x-dungeons-dragons-dlc-is-now?srsltid=AfmBOopcLkOzFdUJ5deZE2ijWCxBr3b7Y0r-V0oG6KmA2s9vgULDrJUO

Amazing

[timber sleet]

tiamat hydra who creates more colors of chromatic dragons when a new head grows
to generate the new dragons you generate a random hex code for the color, a random alignment from lawful, neutral, or chaotic, a random habitat, a random damage type for the breath, a random status infliction for the breath, and a random area type for the breath, choosing from either line, cone, or that weird explosion lob that some gem dragons have, and random stat for the save vs the breath

heres my randomly generated dragon
#07722a
alighnment: lawful
habitat: hill
piercing breath (yes im doing all damage types, not just elemental)
breath inflicts unconscious (jesus christ)
breath area: line
breath save: con
ive generated a fucking syringe dragon

this is the stupidest idea ive ever come up with and i love it

[worthy plank]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15B-NHpUckCnEAYobyOtxZCbnaCLkJhxkV0Vbds7FwCw/edit?usp=sharing

Can I get some looks at this?

[proud osprey]

oh yeah i was checking this out

think i’m a lil burned out of editor brain tho

had to edit a mountain into a molehill

for the magazine i work on

so i kinda glazed kver

[worthy plank]

lol that's fine

[worthy plank]

any insight at all, even from a 'this was cool' angle?

[modest echo]

Bullywugs aren't evil anymore???
they're turning the frogs Neutral......

[chrome bronze]

Oh right, the plague that is alignment

Btw, I'm reading the new UA for artificer and man, man.

When they said they hired a professional game UI/UX designer for this edition, it fucking shows

Screw full bullet pointed sentences telling me my casting stat or my saving throw bonuses, just give me a small chart and move on

[dapper fulcrum]

Only thing i seriously contend with is the nerf to the 20th level feature

[chrome bronze]

Reading it currently

[dapper fulcrum]

+1 to saving throws per item is fun, the new version (+1d6 to skill checks) is eeeeugh

[chrome bronze]

wtf, you can eat magic items for spell slots now? That's neat

[proud osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-skull-knight-anime-hug-mangal-war-my-beloved-gif-24542477

[timber sleet]

tbh if run well these are one of my favorite campaign types, although i prefer 3 or 4 to 20

the problem is that no one runs them well 😭

[tepid crane]

I like running 1-10 then moving on to a different portion of the setting

[pure elm]

It's much weaker yeah

The Arti UA has a few weird things in general

Like also how Arti have an absolute fuckload of effective spellslots now

Through the changes to Spell-storing Item, and the new Enspelled items

But a lot of the non replicate magic item infusions are way worse now due to coming online too late

[tepid crane]

Mild evil DM moment. One of the party died and their body got left behind. I think my Vampire BBEG has a new mini-boss.

[timber sleet]

i like really high levels because you get to run all kinds of wild bullshit to counter your players wild bullshit and watch chaos ensue

tbh one of my favorite activities when im bored is flipping through the monster manual and coming up with ways to use various monsters, including a lot of stronger oens

[tepid crane]

To make it a spice analogy, I don’t think I have the tolerance for CR25 cross-dimensional eldritch things

I’m still in the “WOOH A DRAGON!” Stage

[arctic yew]

...ok i think I figure out why fireball is so infamous for wiping out parties

I never had a issue with it since you can just position it to where it would only hit enemies,very rarely would space be so cramped that you have to fireball ur dudes

But

In previous editions,fireball worked on shadowrun rules. If you casted it on a space too small for it,it would fill up space in all available directions until it filled the max area that it could affect

[vapid flame]

So i had a thought about race/cultural bonus/ malus and how the whole asi limit/- is really boring and thought of diffrent ways you could do it like say you have a group that mainly focuses on warroirs instead of just making their mages soley worse give them a postive and negtaive. Like say their mages have more health than others but when casting spells of certain schools/levels they get a -1 on their spells

[tepid crane]

also the fact you had much lower health for the longest time.

so many factors went into it like spell saves being lower, etc. Fireball is the perfect storm of "This will friendly fire your party."

[chrome bronze]

So fellas, what we think of the new UA subclasses?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx5eOtuOzv8&t=2354s&ab_channel=Dungeons%26Dragons

The new ranger actually seems neat

And ironically how they did that is by ignoring hunter's mark uptime

[merry atlas]

I like some of the stuff I’ve seen here. Like the new sorcerer subclass, and the Oath of Noble Genie Paladin

Not that I ever expected such a subclass to exist for the paladins before this

[arctic yew]

5 minute magic item

a crystal that makes any room smaller than 200 square foot it is left on get colder until it reaches -10c in 5 days
rarity?

[mellow rivet]

I guess uncommon, because it takes a long time but freezing something that big is way too good for common

[tepid crane]

Does it make the gem hot? Like could this be used to move heat between areas?

[arctic yew]

its mostly just a way to make

freezer rooms

[mellow rivet]

I don't think a walk in freezer needs to be 200 square foot. If it was like 20 instead that would be common

[frail hull]

It's really the cubic feet that matters with coolers. 200 cubic feet isn't that big, so common could work.

[tepid crane]

I mean that is an amazing power I think it should be rare.

[grave hollow]

It's great and all, but I wouldn't call it rare

You need a room, which will cut down on how movable it is

Actually, this just isn't that big of a room

[tepid crane]

maybe but I think it's great for storing supplies in a dungeon without them spoiling. So you can make a checkpoint to come back to and resupply.

[vapid flame]

i thought about how you could probally make a makeshift icebox with some ice that doesnt melt and a helmet

[pure elm]

How often do you store stuff in a dungeon for multiple days?

[grave hollow]

8 foot tall, 5 by 5 foot room gets you 200 square feet

That's nice and all, but eh?

I would say uncommon myself

[vapid flame]

i don't think you would need that much of space to keep something cold

[grave hollow]

It's basically a walk-in freezer

There are reasons to have it, just usually not for an adventurer

[vapid flame]

i had a thought aboutif you had a mini icebox, and glove that creates snowballs and lemons you could snowcones whenever you wanted

[tepid crane]

very frequently in megadungeons

[grave hollow]

Perhaps this is me

But you should not be resting in a dungeon