#Exalted
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isn't it 5?
nope
OH
it's just a really efficient 4 dot
I'M THINKING RADIANCE
my murder build actually has relatively poor overwhelm, only 4, but he has the fusion punch combo so if his E5 incarnation hits you you just lose 9-10 init, flat, and he gets 2-3
our circle's abyssals are so fucking cute and then there's arby over here who is only cute if you can ignore her Hideous (covered in horriffic scars that weep black ichor and open into hungering maws)
it's kinda gimmicky and not in.a godod way
that's the 5-dot that i just genuinely don't remember what it does
searing edge attack w/ 1 withering damage autosux cares not for your Aegis of Invincible Might
you punch the -5 postsoak solar with your bare fist, roll 0 dice of damage and crash them
you say that, but then you post adorablesparklingprincess.jpg
post soak dmg upon ye
Bandages from her cheeks getting bited
not even that, it reduces post-soak dice by 5
My abyssal.is juat a pirate dude covered in scara
I understand I am not God's Most Normal Person and therefore finding such things adorable is probably abnormal, however
including the one that took out his hearr
those are to Hide how Wide Her Mouth Goes
10/10 would hug
Aww
it's fine, the lover gave him a better one
it strictly works on damage roll autosux and a second withering charm that triggers if your damage has any successes
so your roll of 0 dice gets 1 sux, Searing Edge Attack triggers and they lose 1 + (essence) init
lol, jesus
very funny
:3c
what's the one free hit from?
i am.reminded of when infernals.melee got released
Jesus fuck its a heavy??
and people butched about the lack of withering boosters
munch
nit realizing
that there aren't even tgat many withering attack biosters in solars
heavies are kind of bad in 3e compared to the other two types
dollmakers do not capture the extent to which she is frankenstiened together out of the flesh of her dead servants and demon-juice
so this is unideal vs being a medium
i5's just that the one they have
but it's very fitting
is stupid good
IT GIVES EXALTS GANGRENE??
OVERBITE is good
nor do dollmakers let me give her the parasitic umbilical cord covered in eyes that she uses to steal people's souls and make them her servants
yerp
I think as long as he wasnt fighting in a flat white room Drifts has the tricks to kill a soak beast
Infernals combat kit
you do need the mastery
ahhh, crane adds autosux on damage
oh baby it can do so much more
but when it works you can punch through anything
Are those additional traits you can buy fornit?
wait until you see that infernals can give exalts radiation posioning
ye
my plans for arby's pesilitent hunger bite is Rabies and her Devil-Fever Ravages is Green Sun Wasting (Radiation poisoning)
reveler has hardly ever talked to women before Siran, Arby and Shoat and doesn't understand that he's giving the princess a complex
what if the baby could give you rabies. what about that.
this is mainly a word count saving tech
too much of a fucking nerd. reading too many fucking books
loser
Hm. Trying to decide whether the Mask of Winters would send material support to someone in the ScavLands getting ready to give the Walker a run for his money
those are essentially new charms/repurchase upgrades
Like, is the Mask that petty?
yes
yes absolutely
the Mask is extremely petty
if he thinks the goober will just run off and not actually fight the Walker
no he's not giving you those stacks
Yes
but if he thinks you'll actually do it...
hilariously one of the many things Crimson Rain gets in fights with the High Families about is that he's technically a commoner and took over a low-prestige trading guild rather than a proper Skullstone noble's commission, despite the fact that he acts like the most born-heir aura farming aristocrat possible
Y'all have echoed my thoughts
big cloaks, huge entourages carrying chests of money

so the most princelike guy in the party is not actually one
(well, he's a deathknight, but still)
I think the only Deathlord that isn't some level of pet- wait no
Lion is petty
he's just basrard petty
the Lion is absurdly petty
Varan's ruin
They're all at least a little petty
is extremely petty
Mask is the king of pettiness
the Dowager isn't very petty
Dowager isn't very petty now
because she's had all the sarcasm exploded out of her
yeah
And yes he thinks there's gonna be a huge fuckin' battle and the Walker might actually, plausibly, lose
what r u feeling reminds u of eva
side note
playding warframe
really.gives me an idea of how to do first age shenanigans
the Orokin and all.of their bullshit
seems.like good fodder for peak firat age decadence bullshit
Someone equated the Orokin to the yozi and I largely agree
The whole 'inscrutable alien presence from The Heavens™' but I suppose I'm mostly reminded specifically of Ramiel; The shifting forms of light and angular shape, the inability for humans to communicate with them without breaking their brains, the destructive heavenly lightbeams, etc
[Reply to:](#1161699000836165714 message) what r u feeling reminds u of eva
the problems with hedgehogs
i can kinda see that in terms of pettiness but
the orokin are way too human
I have been known to maintain that Eva is just about the Hedgehog's Dilemma mentioned in episode 4, like that's a significant portion of the show's literal and thematic elements
So I make hedgehog jokes about Eva
o that makes sense
what gk said or what I said, or both? XD
[Reply to:](#1161699000836165714 message) o that makes sense
also yeah that's fair lmao
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What u said, tho i don't disagree
It's fun to hear takes on devil-stars i wouldn't have thought of
vbos my beloved. extremely funny how graves is purpose-made to counter torchlight as characters I'm running simultaneously
watch this (deploys 23 soak on main)
you're like little baby. overwhelm 15
fortunately because torchlight is a comic book villainess she can then just fly away while dramatically shaking her fist and declaring She'll Get You Next Time
(texting my friend Evil Larry)
me: what's up dude
Larry: matters most vile
356
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IT'S TRUE
(sorry i was being a vampire in deadlock)
you're allowed
its okay this was correct and good and now you get to be a vampire dollie in exalted
i knew my friend val would like the "daughter" of an insane witch-hag
TRUE
you know me well
mun four... mun four my beloved
i love the dowager so much
i hope she gets cool things in riders
Makes note 'Random endings sid that turns up to battles and goes I Think Everyone Should Die' as an NPC
mun four getting things in riders is not what anyone meant but it is a funny img
like she just shows up randomly in different underworld locations
I thought Mun Four was in agents
okay that would be pretty incredible
"i show up in companion books now"
like valdris
🏃♀️💨
She's invented mirrorshades, clearly making her the coolest person in the setting
How unbalanced would it be to have a version of flesh-and-bone wind as a sorcery?
the effect exists as a necromancy and is balanced so i'm going to say not unbalanced
Fair
I mostly ask because I am making a sorcerer who by dint of being a Lintha and an owl is
fairly fixated on entrails <XD
yah, abyssals says to make necromancy versions of existing spells so i dont really think it's bad form to do the reciprocal in kind
it's one of the only things that necromancy does, so i definitely wouldn't like it if they printed a canon one, but for your game do whatever
oughhhhhh
Coolcool
ehhh, i wouldn't take it the other way
oh no I think borb has an opinion about that
oughhhhhhhhhhhhh abyssals necromancy section
necromancy is uh
I am about to be smote
ok i stepped on a landmine killing myself /j
so letting sorcery also do its thing means it's entirely useless
but converting for home games is converting for home games
i will see myself out
Yeah there are topics I think sorcery should probably leave to the necromancers
im putting my girlfriend to smeep for a nap and must not start gnashing my teeth about how much I dislike necromancy's presentation as being able to share almost any hypothetical spell with sorcery if you just twist a few details
lmao
or else it will wake her and she will torture me with more insane 3e builds
LMAO
<XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Stuff to do with souls, and the void, and the undead, and etc.
runs away
i just wish that sorcery was more restricted
There could stand to be like
and that there weren't so fucking many sidebars in abyssals for so many things that say "yeah you can steal this :)"
"the themes of this book don't matter bro just do whatever :)"
A concrete list of spells that can be both sorcery and necromancy
Rather than just telling you to draw the owl
I literally said we should make a list
"convert an abyssal to a solar, it's fine. swap sorc and necro it's all g"
They did not
It's not like there are that many spells!
it really ain't
...
I'm gonna cry
would flesh and bone wind have made the list
why would they say no
You already have DOOB and FotBR don't be greedy!
it can't have been too many extra pages, no?
DRAW THE OWL
Ionas have you considered just giving the lunar necromancy
Lunars are specifically equally good at both
Briefly, but there are some thematic pressures against, in my estimation
The most important in this case being his status as a Lintha, the literal family of demonblooded sorcerer pirates who would denigrate him for doing that shit instead of sorcery
When he is intended to at least partially be a social climber
The second most important being he is Literally A Warlock
of Ululaya
Admittedly that second part is something he decided to do, but part of that calculation was the fact that being a warlock of one of Kimbery's 3CDs is a helluva feather in the cap
for a Lintha
The obvious answer to these conundrums is
'Do both'
In which case I have no real counter, have a wonderful day
Yeah do both :P
took me a sec to realizd the joke.here
...
so.i was looking at the screen like "What do you mean by owl"
if this is a joke about me gk I'm gonna fuckin kill you (as a friend)
Oh
Wait no I do know this joke
nay, just a reference to the bad art tutorial meme
3e homebrew in a nutshell
Delilah mentions it frequently enough that it's on my mind re: Exalted
that really is how it feels.to play exalted and come on to one of the like
50 different things that you need to.homebrew
but have ti either lack guidance
or go scrounging
This is how Essence Induction Technique makes me feel, it's true
god i don't even remember whicg charm.that is
It's the E5 Occult charm where you make a spirit
i think the most annoying part is how insistent some folks are that it's a plus and not a minus
i like homebrew
That is supposed to gain experience with you
i've dipped my toes into exalted homebrew by now, albeit none of it what anyone could call good
but
i like homebrew best when i have helpful guidelines and when i don't feel obligated to do it
Note: there are no rules for making the spirit, and no rules for it spending experience
The charm is clearly meant to be like
An Occult Supernal Solar's schtick
"I have a cool spirit buddy"
But it has no actual rules
ah
right
that fuckin bitch
god Occult in core ia
such a fucked charm list
nothing's as bad as socialize and its "make a new character sheet :))) you have +100% xp now yippee"
or like, +300% if you buy a bunch of alters
with their own entire fucking charmsets, ability lists, and i think even attribute spreads
Survival
survival is the worst tree
because someone could be tricked i to investing into survival
necromantic isob
ever-popular for good reason
i do want to make a necro tank spell, i just need to figure out a hook to make it interesting and on-theme
There's also that other necro spell that I'm gonna take, now that this Lintha is a necrosorc
The Birds (Alfred Hitchcock)
da boids
crow storm is so fucking funny
i love it
i'm so glad BIS's backer asked for it
So is this the kinda setting where all necromancy is objective evil?
Oh ball okay
I hate when necromancy is arbitrarily evil
not inherently evil
But it's no morally worse than sorcery
Like “oh even raising a zombie tortures the soul forever”
All magic in Exalted, sorcery and necromancy, gives its practitioners Certified Weird Vibes
she got into exalted by looking at an essence sma that was kind of broken on its release version i think, as a way to find elaborate funny mechanical pairs to torture me with
awful girl
making ideal use of necromancy is slavery
because summoning ghosts is very useful
this is not different from sorcery
And not different from being
where summoning demons is even better
Necromancy is.inherently nasty
but not evil
because it is filtered through the neverborn
and yeah it's not ontologically evil, it's just you choosing to use the powers that torture and/or enslave people
because they're very good at their job
Yeah necromancy is rather more gross than most sorcery
there's some less vile necro like the bone throne
blood, bone, flesh and sinew and all that
but it's still about grime and gristle and subjugation
it's supposed to be, at absolute minimum, rather uncomfy
Emily have you seen the show Twilight of the Gods?
The character Seid-Kona from Twilight of the Gods makes a good blueprint for an Exalted necromancer imo
to the living is the caveat there
i don't think necromancy is very nice to ghosts either
there are a few necrimancy spells that offer succor to the dead
a few, for sure
and stuff like flesh-sloughing wave that ignores em entirely
but you still have slavery time
and ghost-mutilating buttons
glamces at dmeon.summoning
well yeah
I do think giving a blanket statement of "if you want to reflavor these mechanics go ahead" is good for the record because sometimes homebrewing is hard
i said that demon summoning is both absurdly optimal and pretty evil already, i think
yeah demons are less
bullshit faff than making undead minions
at least upfront
On the back end, a talented necromancer can get three minions for the price of one; the body, upper soul, and lower soul
labor, specialized skills, bestial and hungry rage
my point was more that sorcery has the same dichotomy, just for the living
i know, but i like
literally prefaced my entire talk with that
sorcery also has everything in infernals
for evil shit
and the face stealing spell in mfs
etc etc
that was part of my initial point
that they're both pretty grody
Ye, but i was saying that Necromancy only has to be at a base level uncomfy from the perspective of interactions with the living. If you're focused on the dead you can have much more relatively chill effects
there just aeen't that many necayae a majority of users of necromancy are insane and tied to the neverborn to some.degree
basically, necromancy can.be chill if.the main.target of the spell is a dead person
it just isn't typically.used that way because.most.necromancers are assholes
*aren't that many becauzs
i see
i kind of fundamentally disagree
summoning is the main draw, it's still slavery
Abhorrence of Breath makes ghosts ontologically hate you
Oh i like that Threaten isnt necessarily stupid
As an action
Because its the only one that basically needs no intimacies
As long as you can provide A Consequence
Creeping Calcification is indiscriminate and pretty torturous to spirits, including ghosts
again
^
"can" and "is by default" are different
the aesthetics of necromancy, the fact that most necromancers don't leave ghosts because necromancy is weirdwrong, the amount of it that's just
about hurting people with the unnatural state of death
it presents a certain image
i dom't disagree but unles si'm mistaking
there are chill spells.that are mainly targeted at ghosts
which shows the potential
there is potential for comfort with the dead, yeah
ye, that's my gist. Necromancy could be used in a more chill way in regards to the dead but 90% of the practioners who study it are either working with or influenced by the Neverborn so that colors a lot
potential vs the lived reality
i mean, i disagree that it's "its potential" so much as "a careful and narrow way to use it"
3e makes it clear that the Neverborn are not the sole arbiters of the underworld this go around
just the biggest
They're why it exists as it does now
this colors it and everything around it forever
no
they're why a thing called the Underworld exists
before the Neverborn, there was not an Underworld
there was the Lethe
there was nothing in the Lethe
i'm pretty sure 3e introduced some vibe that there was a space before
there was the Sea of Shadows, and we don't really know if there was anything in the Sea of Shadows
but there was no Underworld
but i don't have the time.to.double check since i'm at work
but i do remember because i remember people.complaining about it elsewhere
it, and everything it has ever been and likely will ever be, is forever warped by its origin
The Old.Laws are a thing that exist before
this doesn't mean it can't be anything else
but it means that it will always be influenced by this
unless someone flushes them, of course
Assumingnthat doesn't flush everything else
which, as always, is ST dependant
i love the neverborn and yozi's as just monuments to the consequences to even justified actions
The primordials were tyrants that had to be taken down, but also, doing so has had unseen ramifications that can never be cleanly.undone
i mean, also the way they "took down" the yozis was pretty unambiguously evil
which is very relevant to the setting's themes
Now I feel a bit bad my Lunar has a sorcery swap bone throne, as plants grow up into a natural seat for her.
Was wondering what this storm-themed Lintha Warlock was gonna take for Eclipse Charms, and then It Hit Me
Major Hellish Investiture allows him to take this
Well, if the ST agrees such a charm is on-theme for an Ululaya warlock which he may not!
Necromancy is gleaned from the Whispers of the Neverborn and the ravings of Specters. It is a dark art of the underworld, a broken mirror of sorcery and full of unwholesome might for those willing to risk their soul dredging the secrets of dead titans from the edge of the pit.

Do I make my Lintha a weird Kimber/Ululaya and Encarnadine Path sycnretic cultist...
we. love syncretism
i like, outlined and did a development pass on the Infernalism section (though i didn't write it exactly, that was Omicron, but it was like a collab from my first vision) and i'm pretty pleased with the case it makes
in general i think it's kind of just beamed in from another dimension where the rest of the book is as good 🗿 but i think it holds up
I think I gotta tbh, it makes him a cohesively fucked up, blood-obsessed freakLunar
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Would that there were only the waters, with none to linger there and witness them. Alas, instead, there is the Underworld. There could be no greater tragedy.
god who fucking put that second comma there
i should be allowed to kill that editor with a hammer
it's not as bad as the mutilation my alchemicals work got but still
oof
but also glad to see i did not hallucinate that insinuation
since i thiiiink that's a big erinkle.to what Liminals.and Yhe Dark Mother represent in the vibes of the underworld
There is something to be said for the idea that merely listening to the Neverborn is not an abdication of moral position; indeed, nor is necessarily putting their teachings into practice. A necromancer may source their blood from the standard village slaughter of goats at the turn of the moon, and their bones from the unburied dead of the Realm's battlefields as that vast empire begins its long march towards autocannibalism. They may draw their pain from that inflicted by others, and in so doing wash their hands of the matter - as this righteous necromancer might say, a true and deeply spiritual student of the sourceless and eternal and inevitable suffering of the Neverborn, someone was going to do it anyway. They may as well also benefit. Stated in such a manner, free from the righteous necromancer's heady thoughts of power without common price, the abyss that yawns open in front of such a creature and the altar of simple rationalism becomes starkly apparent.
ALL THOSE THINGS YOU DESIRE
CAN BE FOUND HERE IN THE FIRE
I have given Much Thought to this for my necrosid and how it very starkly literalizes the Cold War utilitarianism practiced by the various intelligence agencies
To see across the world, one literally sacrifices five innocent lives. Such is the price of power
its not that different from the Divorce Beam
the what
cash and murder games, iirc
oh are u talking avout the sid charm.that makes you unlovable
ah
not shun the smiling lady
god that charm
is so fucked
though the natural touchstone in the charmset that directly relates is dead spouse defense
The Verminous Cockroach Emperor Who Will Devour Heaven If Given One Step Of Quarter
is a really good name for a behemoth
When I read it
I was expecting like "Oh they're gonna write specific rules for how to distribute skills and dots for Spirit NPCs(not good but they were there) like the CofD books do, kinda annoying to simply point towards them without a pg ref but whatever."
i kinda have been using demon templates a lot. This is how i built Arby’s Horrible Ogre. He’s a blood ape with a babby excellency
The demon templates in Infernals help so much
yeah, i'm glad there're demon and machine spirit templates
i really hope we get similar ones, but if not at least i can steal those
and do surgery on them for other spirits
Terrestrial Geomantic Initiation
Cost: —; Mins: Intelligence 3, Essence 1
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: None
Unlike mortals, the Jadeborn's essence is designed to be shaped in intricately designed patterns that do not make for natural combat sorcerers. However, in turn, that mastery of patterns and their deep connection to the dragon lines of creation makes them natural experts at countermagic and geomancy.
The Jadeborn is initiated into Terrestrial-Level Sorcery, gaining one Terrestrial-Circle Control Spell. Their unusual nature however has the following differences to normal sorcerers:
• She treats all spells as Ritual Spells and cannot learn Shaping Rituals (Though they may still learn the merits associated with their initiation method, such as a Soul-Perfecting Elixir).
• She is treated as having knowledge of all spells of a circle she is initiated into for the purpose of Counterspelling and Distortion.
• Once per story she may ignore the experience cost for a sorcerous working that involves Crafting, Geomancy or Undoing A Spell.
Playing about with Jadeborn Magic. Pondering how this feels relative to a normal terrestrial sorcery access charm. You can't get Combat Magic but they're a bit better with counterspelling and workings.
I like it, it's very thematic
...so, I just realized something very funny. The martial art best at dealing with the Lover Clad In Raiment of Tears?
Black Claw
As the martial art with an express 'grabbed your heart' charm and the Lover's demiurgic art not being usable if she's lost her heart.
Are you a toxic enough martial artist to gaslight, girlboss and gatekeep the Lover Clad In Raiment of Tears?
Strongest girlboss of today vs strongest deergirl of history
Omg
... holy shit you're right
outgirlboss the girlbosser
become girlbossest
... do you think Venus knows Black Claw style?
Very, very possibly
Kijamano almost certainly does
I do imagine Black Claw is a popular choice for the more (gender)boss amongst the Cerulean Lute
Also fuck I came in here to ask a question but answering your question combined with my pdf reader crashing made me forget it
OH!
Would brigandine, in people's mind, be better represented as Light or Medium armor?
I'd lean medium as well
I'm leaning light, but admittedly based on limited exposure to examples of brigandine that are not European
And in those cases a kind of brigandine that would basically be a replacer for the breastplate
which by itself in this system is light
I agree the larger coats of plates going down to like
The knee
are most definitely medium
breastplate is only light for artifact and heavier in mundane, no?
huh, there we have it
hough
i want to make an exigent...
but i don't want to make a full fucking balanced charmset
despair
simply start with figuring out what u can steal and reflavor
This is why I am waiting for alchs companion for my main exigent, the Chosen of Charkaid, God of Warstriders. I am going to stela so much from the warstrider martial arts.
colossus martial arts
those things
big boy punch good
hrm
I think historian would want to be lore supernal, which isn't int he eclipse list unfortunately
Ah, but I present this as a counterpoint!
[Reply to:](#1161699000836165714 message) I think historian would want to be lore supernal, which isn't int he eclipse list unfortunately
Histories (when they're good), are meant to not just record what happened, they are meant to synthesize it into a greater knowledge gained than the sum of its parts and, in part, persuade the reader that this particular lens on the happenings recorded therein has more innate value than a dry recording of events and, possibly, other works trying to do the same thing
Linguistics Supernal
With Lore favored of course you need to know what the fuck you're writing about
But anyone with a lore specialty in a particular topic knows what is needed to then use their skill with Linguistics to write a quality, compelling treatise/history/etc on that topic
Now of course, given this is Exalted
Would this framing of a historian descend into borderline hagiography half the time because they become the subject of their histories?
Yes