Exalted | Pilot NET | Page 111

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:11 AM

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no, without cheesing the thaumaturgy rules

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:12 AM

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but misc did just ask about the funniest options!

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:12 AM

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but the eight hour shift zombie ritual has variants that can add 2-4 dots of innate merits and there are some silly but unrealistic combos there

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Direction Sense + Eidetic Memory, my smartphone zombie

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:12 AM

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quadratic zombie factory

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:13 AM

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oh, you can get your big dark souls guys, you can just about squeeze in Giant

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good for work

wise ocean Apr 17, 2026, 5:13 AM

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tentacle zombie

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resident evil minion

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:15 AM

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wall walking, gills and wings all present slightly interesting ideas about how Skullstone works

wise ocean Apr 17, 2026, 5:15 AM

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4* ambidextrous zombie

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foot tools

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:15 AM

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you get all the cool zombie variants from China Mieville's The Crawl

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:16 AM

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marsh garden quadratic zombie factory

How to win at being undead:

wise ocean Apr 17, 2026, 5:16 AM

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I mean
unironically yes

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that's how optimized necromancy works

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:16 AM

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Burrower Zombies are only 2 dots of merit...

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:16 AM

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Winged Zombies

wise ocean Apr 17, 2026, 5:16 AM

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burrower with claws for Mole Rat Zombies

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:18 AM

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I admit a certain liking for the idea that the underworld has a slightly better handle on systematic, industrial magic than Creation does at that point, because ghostly tendencies towards strange fixations tend to really engrave stuff like that on their societies

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:18 AM

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and also because there are a lot of First Age dead who remember industrial-scale magic

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:18 AM

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Enhanced Sense (Vision) + Thermal Vision would be very funny just for 'what do you mean your zombie has 4 dice of senses and two automatic successes when detecting warm blooded people?

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:19 AM

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it's not totally generalisable because of all the different afterlives, but "sorcery gets you bespoke demon servants/slaves, necromancy gets you Saruman-style pocket economies and armies" is kind of cute as a comparison

lament owl Apr 17, 2026, 5:19 AM

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Hunting zombie….

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:19 AM

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except ideally more competent than saruman because his sucked

lament owl Apr 17, 2026, 5:21 AM

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Can third circle demons learn third circle sorcerery?

Or can literally only solars and Infernals do that

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:21 AM

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Who knows? We don't have any that can do it but it's entirely possible if its within their themes?

lament owl Apr 17, 2026, 5:21 AM

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Because I was reminded that “oh right deathlords can do Necromancy 3”

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:22 AM

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I would imagine they could

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But only some if like iki said it was thematic

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:22 AM

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four of the nine deathlords can do Void in 3e

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(i wish it was all nine sadcowboy , i don't love that necromancy isn't A Big Thing for all of them)

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:23 AM

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I could see a Qaf third circle having that potential, with the 'enlightnment' theme and him having a full sorcerous initiation themed on him.

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:23 AM

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and there are a lot more 'n nine 3CDs

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so probably v sparingly

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Qaf and like

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SWL

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:24 AM

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...actually, we have a demon named who likely can.

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:24 AM

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this guy probably is a solar-circle caster

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:24 AM

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Yeah, that guy

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You copied faster than me

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:25 AM

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if not he's definitely a sapphire circle caster with like

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a "can fake adamant circle somehow" trick

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:25 AM

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marsh garden (i wish it was all nine <:sadcowboy:572822626456698892>, i don't love that necro...

I would rather the variance tbh

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I like that Lion is just a guy who walks up and swords you to death

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:25 AM

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i like that they just sword you to death!

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:25 AM

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I also feel like even being a second circle necromancer is still 'A Big Thing'.

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That's on par with the Best Lunar Necromancer

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:26 AM

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rereading The Crawl has made me want to do a plot about a "regular" Creation necromantic ancestor cult opposing a bunch of insane spectres and nephwracks making new and especially awful kinds of zombie

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:26 AM

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And Lunars are very noted necromancers

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:26 AM

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Also it lets you have a plot point of them having a majordomo Abyssal necromancer

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Who is immenintely more killable

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:26 AM

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but i think there's something lost

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even if there's also something gained

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i do also hope that the "fused with a neverborn third-circle" thing is at least loosely canon, because that's neat

lament owl Apr 17, 2026, 5:27 AM

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I do think it’s fun that Lunars are #2 necromancers in lore

I forget if we get to see any lunar coded Necromatic initations

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:27 AM

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we do not sadcowboy

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the Skull Diary is pretty agnostic

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and you could easily have a bunch of lunars with it

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:28 AM

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the terrestrial/ivory circle is sometimes a bit underrated because exalts can either do that or better, but you can very much be a big shot caster at either of those two

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:28 AM

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but none that are super specifically lunar-coded

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Umaza's Hymns looks cool on lunars, though

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makes me want to play a lunar necro

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:29 AM

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Lunars do also have imo the single best magic merit in the entire game.

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:29 AM

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tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:29 AM

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It's hard to argue with The Big Book of Spells

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:29 AM

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bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:29 AM

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big book very good

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:29 AM

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deathly siren allure is neat

lament owl Apr 17, 2026, 5:29 AM

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Giving Lunars the Offical “most likely to be 2-2 and thriving” award

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:29 AM

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interested to see how Green Lady and B.I.S are doing with the necromancy this time around

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:30 AM

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god i love black ice shadow's dumbass crow spell

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it's so funny

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and it looks real good

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:30 AM

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I know I stole the Big Book of Spells for a necromantic initiation. XD

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Remembrancer (Merit ••••): The Necromancer draws on fragments of the past, calling up memories of ancient magic. Once per story, she may cast a necromancy spell she doesn’t know, although she must still meet its prerequisites. Thereafter, she may learn that spell without a mentor or source. The Storyteller may deem some spells do not echo deeply into the past, primarily those newly invented by Second Age sorcerers.

bleak hazel Apr 17, 2026, 5:30 AM

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lament owl Giving Lunars the Offical “most likely to be 2-2 and thriving” award

I think once you have four different shaping rituals you may only be thriving by your standards

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3e does a very good job of making the different kinds of sorceror/necromancer different kinds of extreme weirdo

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:31 AM

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Leviathan has been underwater for millenia

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farming those motes

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you fuckers aren't even ready

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:31 AM

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i think big book of spells would work really well on the Skull Diary

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if you wanted to

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speaking of initiations

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Elegy to Starless Skies: Once per story, the sorcerer can spend a scene dramatically soliloquizing about ways the world could be more beautiful, or ways people's lives could be improved, gaining ([Appearance or Charisma] + Performance) sorcerous motes, which last for the rest of the story. If she has an audience and successfully instills a Principle related to her soliloquy in them, she gains additional motes equal to the effective Size (Exalted, p. 206) of the influenced characters. These motes can only be spent on spells that directly cultivate the world the sorcerer described.

Moonlit Revel Serenade: Once per scene, the sorcerer may gain (Performance) sorcerous motes when her music inspires a listener to impulsive action, or to passionately express his ideals. They last for the rest of the scene. If her roll leveraged a festival that is occurring or the listener's anonymity, she gains (Essence) additional motes.

Medley of a Rambling Maiden: When the sorcerer spends a scene interacting with a stranger and shares something new about her culture, learns something new about his culture, or teaches him to play music, she gains one sorcerous mote. It lasts for the rest of the story, up to ten maximum. Once per story, when she enters a city or other settlement for the first time and spends a day learning about its culture, she gains (Essence) sorcerous motes, or (Essence + Intimacy) if she has a Principle involving journeys, new experiences, or love for the world.

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seguing into that, do these look better?

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:33 AM

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That does still feel like the first two are the same thing to me

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:33 AM

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i ended up shoving "doesn't need to interact" into one that already existed and making the third something else

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oh

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the first two are uh

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shuffled around

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:34 AM

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Overall, they look fun.

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:34 AM

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#3 the first time is #1 now lol

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because of alphabetizing

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...that i fucked up anyway because i renamed the third

lament owl Apr 17, 2026, 5:34 AM

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Honestly actually

Rereading through the necromancy initations in the abyssal book

I can see most of these being “Lunars did it first”

(Besides The Maw that one feels like a Nephwrack type grind)

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:35 AM

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if all three of them looked the same and they still look the same, i'll have to go back to the drawing board

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:35 AM

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Yeah the thing I see is that like

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If you used this in-game

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The person would need to, almost at every opprotunity, grab a random bystander and then hit both ticks at once

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because there's nothing you can't do both at the same time and so why wouldn't you

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Which I think would get really grating

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:37 AM

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hm

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i didn't actually see that as a huge issue, because a lot of existing initiations do that too

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:37 AM

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On that topic: Do people mind taking a squiz at a necromantic initiation I made?

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:37 AM

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but...in that case, should i just obliterate the second and make something new?

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:38 AM

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I think you should have at least one that can be done without any audience whatsoever so that there is the option to do it "off-screen" for ease of play, personally

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:38 AM

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that was the (new) first one

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which can now just be you dramatically giving a disney hero/villain musical monologue

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no audience necessary

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and you can just do it offscreen if you don't actually want to yap

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:39 AM

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That being once per story means that people are almost always going to want to do it with an audience

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:39 AM

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mm, maybe i just make it 1/day and a roll instead, then

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with no size bonus

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:40 AM

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I think that makes more sense yeah

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But this is the part of my brain that's dedicated to Ru-style cynicism of like "If you give a player a limited option where they have a bonus in an ideal circumstance, they'll probably only use it during that circumstance"

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:42 AM

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hmmm

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okay, in that case

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:42 AM

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I also think if you make it specifically a villain monologue you should make an explicit caveat that summoned minions count.

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As a valid audience

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Because you should be encouraged to Be Prepared your Blood Apes

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:43 AM

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it's supposed to be kind of an "I Want" song for idealistic disney heroes, but can also be the classic Count Frollo I Want

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or the Jafar/Yzma/etc. "i will"

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:45 AM

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Death Warding Talismans (•••): When the necromancer suffers harm from necromantic energy, any damage is reduced by one degree (Aggravated to Lethal, Lethal to Bashing). Damage that was already bashing — whether automatic levels or damage dice — is halved, rounded down.

This will not protect against effects that are merely enhanced by the grave (Such as a Deathknight's Daiklaive or a Zombie's bite) but will protect against direct usage of such power (Such as a God-Scourging Wail) or most environmental hazards within the Underworld.

Hmmm...pondering this. It won't affect most actual tools necromancers use to kill you, as 'sword' and 'undead horde' both bypass it but it keeps you safer from Pyreflame or Flesh Sloughing Waves.

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:46 AM

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what if, rather than caring about audience size, you get a bonus the first time you stunt a roll revealing your plans to someone?

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:48 AM

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Do you have a initiationn that you're specifically looking at so I can be on the same page for design desires

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I don't wanna be a fuddy duddy just due to difference in expectations

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:50 AM

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tulip folio ``` Death Warding Talismans (•••): When the necromancer suffers harm from necrom...

huh, honestly i'd probably try to make this a bit simpler and do it as a four or five-dot with "1/day you can negate (X) levels of damage from necromantic or soul-targeting magic"

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which fits in my eye for talismans

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you slap em on, they burn out protecting you, and then you get some more when you rest

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:55 AM

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Maybe. This one already has a 4 dot so I was playing a bit careful to not make them all super high dot value.

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 5:56 AM

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prisma sun Do you have a initiationn that you're specifically looking at so I can be on the...

uhh, the ones that i've been specifically referencing for this are Umaza's Hymns, Efficacious Demon Dances, and Dreamer of the Caul

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and taking general mote-number cues from all of the initiations in Abyssals and Infernals

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since they're the most up-to-date

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 5:59 AM

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gotcha

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 6:01 AM

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Dyrim's Call (•): Those deep in death hear the call of Lethe in her voice, drawing them towards her. Undead and Gods of Death who’ve heard her speak this scene count as having a Minor Tie of fear or respect toward her, whichever best fits their relationship with the philosophy of the Transcendent Course.

The last merit is rather low dot value at least.

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The vibe for this necromantic initiation is that you're a champion of the natural flow of death, not a disruptor of it.

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Guardian of Lethe
Not all who are drawn to necromancy are drawn by darkness within. The strongest tool to fight necromancy is necromancy itself and only a master of souls can act as shepherd to those seeking Lethe. One of the most powerful tools used by these necromancers are the Exorcist's bells; a set of Starmetal and Adamant bells, the original of which are thought to have been crafted for Saturn herself. They are passed from master to student, their clear tones cutting through the spells worked by slavers of the dead. One day, it is hoped, the ringing of these bells will crack the foundries of soulsteel that enslave the underworld.

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 6:04 AM

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marsh garden > **Elegy to Starless Skies:** Once per story, the sorcerer can spend a scene dr...

Out of interesting, do you have a writeup for the theme of the magic style?

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:05 AM

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Love Song to the World is a sorcerous relic (Exalted, p. 470), and can be taken at character creation as a sorcerous initiation instead of requiring the Artifact Merit. Its Evocations blur the line between spell and song, and draw on the memories and philosophy of the Sidereal sage whose bones it was carved from. The chime is exceptional equipment (Exalted, p. 580) for music-based Performance rolls, and for influence rolls against characters whose lives the wielder earnestly wishes to improve.

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:05 AM

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I would presume it's like living in a musical

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:06 AM

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it's made from the opalized (starmetal) bones of a divine revolution-era journeys sid who lived to see aurora die and then spent the rest of her life preaching love and being a saccharine disney character

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:07 AM

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I thinkkkkkk

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:08 AM

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damn, that's a superpower i still haven't learned

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:08 AM

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I think the amounts and the general vibes are good, but I also think you should make the activities different so that you can't double up

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:08 AM

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do you have any suggestions? no worries if not, but if you've got something in mind i'd be happy to hear

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:09 AM

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Hrmmm

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Saccherine Disney character, I think the only thing I don't feel fits is that learning about new cultures thing

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:13 AM

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ah, that one was kind of

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:13 AM

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Not because it's out of theme but because it's trivially easy to do in any game with travelling

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:13 AM

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spreading joy through the lens of Journeys

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ah ic

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i don't think that's a huge issue since it's got a max

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:14 AM

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You will probably be doing that in any game with travelling as a given exposition, thus you just kinda get motes for existing in a game with that concept

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It's not a huge issue but it doesn't really encourage you to be weird in any particular way

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:14 AM

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fair

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:14 AM

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which I feel like is half the flavor of initiations

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:14 AM

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yeah, i can see the issue

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the others i hope are like

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forceful enough to avoid that?

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:15 AM

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Yeah they make sense and require you to go out of your way

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:15 AM

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it's the kind of thing that a "normal" person really ain't fit for

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:16 AM

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So I would say maybe something like "when you arrive at a new locale, if you spend a night doing nothing but raucously exploring the confines of your new environment, get a mote"

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Something that demands you go out of your way to do something weird

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And potentially irresponsible

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:17 AM

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i like that! making it all about a super exaggerated form of Naive Sheltered Wonder

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for new and exciting places

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thanks!

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 6:18 AM

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I don't have any cute thumbs up pictures, only got this to respond with

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fierce star Apr 17, 2026, 6:19 AM

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marsh garden the Skull Diary is pretty agnostic

So is Hollow Envoy Wisdom, tbh

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 6:19 AM

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hollow envoy is the ancestor cult one right?

fierce star Apr 17, 2026, 6:35 AM

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yeah

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ancestor cult/general diplomacy between the living and the dead

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 8:08 AM

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was about to go to sleep, realized i never wrote down voy's proposed changes

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further realized i could do something funny

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Medley of a Rambling Maiden: When the sorcerer arrives in a settlement, if this is the first time she's been there this story, she gains one sorcerous mote if she spends her entire first night meeting new people, experiencing everything she can about local culture, and raucously carousing. It lasts for the rest of the story, up to ten maximum. Once per story, when she goes on a drunken bender, embarrasses herself at a party, or otherwise causes problems for her future self during merriment, she gains sorcerous motes equal to her strongest Principle involving journeys, new experiences, or love for Creation, plus additional motes equal to the effective Size (Exalted, p. 206) of the witnesses.

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encouraged to be an absolute fucking bozo in front of everyone

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 1:22 PM

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Panjandrum

A Panjandrum is a Raksha noble who has made perhaps one of the most dangerous decisions a Raksha can make: To discard any faith in systems in favour of their own opportunistic exploitation. Having seen that the letter and spirit of the rules often bear no similarity to each other they have decided that the only truth in law is the results of it. Capricious judges, tricksters and con-men, these nobles are perhaps some of the iconic fae creation knows, the fae who will make deceptively truthful deals with a too-wide smile on their face.

Their mastery of twisting laws extends to the very laws of fate, Panjandrums showing an expertise in shaping Creation and those that dwell within it that many castes cannot. This makes them powerful wish granters, sought out by those who feel that the natural law of the world has dealt them an unfair hand. There are no end of tales of those granted an edge by a friendly fae...and even more of those who bargained without realizing what they were trading.

Panjandrum are chaotic even by Raksha standards, delighting in havoc and upending of systems. Despite that, they are not inherently malevolent. Those who bargain with them openly, honestly and make it clear their emotional stakes of their goal can find themselves a powerful ally. Those who seek them with iron and tong and binding spells however find their own words turning to vipers in their mouths, biting the fools who speak them.

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I hope this reads okay?

fierce star Apr 17, 2026, 2:52 PM

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dangerous

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I like it

prisma sun Apr 17, 2026, 3:16 PM

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marsh garden > **Medley of a Rambling Maiden:** When the sorcerer arrives in a settlement, if...

I like it a lot

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 5:53 PM

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Working on that Fae

tulip folio Apr 17, 2026, 6:14 PM

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Waking To A Dream (5m, 1wp; Simple; Instant; Essence 5): The Panjandrum can grant the wish of a willing character that expresses a wish within medium range, granting him up to six dots of benefits, divided among of the following:

-Up to two dots in an Attribute
-Up to four dots in an Ability
-Up to four dots of Backing, Contacts, Followers, Mentor, Retainers, or Resources Merits, which are drawn into his life by the end of the current session or the next one.
-Up to five dots of Mutations.

The Panjandrum can only grant effects that fall within the scope of the wish being granted but the target has no control over the specifics save for careful wording of the wish. Someone who wishes to be a famous warrior could easily be granted a mentor to train them, melee skills or the backing of bards who tell false tales of his mastery.

These dots must be immediately purchased with experience, even if the choice dots themselves end up not being what he desired, though he can go into Experience Debt to purchase them. The Panjandrum cannot affect unwilling characters this way, though they can grant wishes of characters who are unaware of the mystical nature of the wish, if their player approves.

This is notably worse than VEE (Can only do it permanently, not temporary boosts, you can't inflict it on unwilling people, doesn't give out mystical debts they can draw on) but on the other hand: It is still an in-universe very powerful effect.

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So it gives that fae a big lever to pull with people.

marsh garden Apr 17, 2026, 10:34 PM

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. . . huh

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i just noticed that artifact shields don't suffer the shield tag's damage penalty

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...except the one in alchs!

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but like

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both in arms

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i would be shocked if it wasn't deliberate

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since the shields in Heirs, Lunars, and Arms all dodge it

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and other shield weapons don't

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 12:16 AM

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dunno

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probably just done on manual for most of them as a deliberate choice

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 12:18 AM

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oh, fair

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hmm

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 12:37 AM

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marsh garden

the artifact umbrella in agents has the same stats i think

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 12:46 AM

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o7

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 1:02 AM

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Oohh artifact umbrella

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 1:02 AM

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makes sense! you gotta have one to pair with cerulean lute

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 1:23 AM

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pretty much

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there's a bow too

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also a sword which works very nicely for anything a sid may want

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 1:32 AM

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ooh, was the bow a backer artifact or another?

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 1:35 AM

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i don't think it was a backer artifact

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just a free space

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 1:40 AM

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coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 1:43 AM

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spiral cosmos also a sword which works very nicely for anything a sid may want

sid sword? 👀

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 1:43 AM

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coral wraith sid sword? 👀

@buoyant summit you're so back

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 1:45 AM

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yes, sid sword

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it's called Naya's Model and it's got kind of a mix of math and fencing in its themes. very good if you like aiming and dueling, plays nice with Sid Melee, Even Blade, etc

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 1:47 AM

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siiiick

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 1:48 AM

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the bow is called Span-of-Heaven and has some strong energy from the constellation of the Quiver, and is kind of, like, a really bitchy sentient weapon

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the first of Mars' weapon-daughters

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 1:48 AM

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weapon-daughters.

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thats cool as fuck

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i have one more question about agents cause Misc has regularly opined this - is there anything in it makes getting SMA compatibility easier? like giving SVN's kiais SMA compat for instance

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 1:54 AM

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in the sense of opening up new ways 'in' or changing rules fundamentally, no

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that wasn't really something in my remit to tweak

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 1:55 AM

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to be expected but thank you for the confirmation

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 1:55 AM

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no worries

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 1:55 AM

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and thank you for being so patient

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 1:55 AM

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weapon compat stuff is one of those topics where i wish 3e had more centralized, like, official statements at least if not outright errata, sometimes

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i don't think everything should be compatible with everything but it would have been nice if Crucible or whatever had a section talking about how and when people should consider modifying these things to suit their tables

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 1:57 AM

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yeah sadcowboy

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 2:18 AM

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yeah, it's not that there aren't lots of ways into SMAs already so much as there are a few weapons that just get left in the cold

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(and it's slightly annoying when you're at E3 and nine charms deep into an E4 MA and can't get SMA yet, but that's a lot easier to solve)

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:18 AM

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SMA armour cap is very sad. One day we'll get a sma for someone who accidentally got a starmetal breastplate

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 2:21 AM

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full starmetal plate

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richest man in Yu-Shan

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:21 AM

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The sid with no martial arts. XD

buoyant summit Apr 18, 2026, 2:23 AM

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coral wraith <@494599098763313153> you're so back

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 2:24 AM

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realemote

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:25 AM

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the weapon thing can be weird

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like, sapphire veil's signature thing across editions is urumi, so, obviously it uses urumi (and whips too). but there's nothing that uses urumi previously published

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so.... what do

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not literally asking but like, sometimes you just have to make judgment calls on this kind of thing

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 2:26 AM

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I guess the rare Holistic Arsenal Methodology melee enlightenment sid gets to flail his urumi around with both their combat trees, so good for them

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:27 AM

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pretty much

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 2:27 AM

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interested in the new sword, my Sidereal swordsman uses hook-swords and sucks at larceny so I wrote my own but it'll be nice to have a larger sample of starmetal gear

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:30 AM

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i'm kind of a sword conservative

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i don't really think of hook swords as swords, honestly

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:31 AM

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swordservative

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:31 AM

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I'm a huge fan of rapiers but man they turned up late in exalted for MA compat. XD

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I'll admit when I make sids I keep staring at Unweaving Method. It talks to me like the Green Goblin Mask going 'I'm compatable with all ranged styles and batons and knives are both ranged weapons!'

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:32 AM

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do not listen to it

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that charm is so fucking bad

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I was able to make it good on an E6 Sidereal elder with Thousand Wounds Gear and Air Dragon Charms comboed in but that's about it

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:33 AM

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lmao

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:33 AM

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I generally end up ignoring it due to 'Okay, ignores armoured soak...which QC actually lists how much of their soak is armoured? I'm not making the GM have to work that shit out on-the-fly with every character'

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:35 AM

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i wish unweaving method had like an upgrade or two similar to elemental bolt attack

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i might write that actually

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 2:35 AM

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the best way to use unweaving method is with ebon shadow

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there's a silly combo

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:35 AM

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Stares at the Entire Page of Essence Cannon Submodules

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I think Alchs are a little spoiled

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 2:36 AM

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i love 10 points of post-soak damage

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:40 AM

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I am kinda tempted to write up an unweaving method upgrade that is like in Endings. Where it converts the energy into Lethe Energy, punching through that extra resistance undead normally get to unweaving and sending them to lethe if they get taken out by it.

But I kinda just like how Sids seems to be the only exalts that do much with Lethe. It's an element of Death that Abyssals don't touch with a ten foot daiklaive.

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:40 AM

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https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/general-exalted-thread.44/post-26644433 friend of mine wrote this unweaving method dive a few years ago

Sufficient Velocity

General Exalted Thread

The Big Dumb Deep Dive Into Unweaving Method

So I’m currently playing a Sidereal who, for Reasons, has Unweaving Method as his main method of attack. Right now it’s a standalone Charm, I don’t have anything to combine with it (though I have some alternate methods of non-damaging attacks like...

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:42 AM

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Oh, that's a good deep dive yeah. I remember it!

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The Charm also says "If she has a positive Tie to him, the attack supports it; such is her hypothetical sorrow," and I have no idea what the fuck that means

Perhaps the single most Sid Charm Statement about.

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:44 AM

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"hypothetical sorrow" is definitely a very comedically sid phrase

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 2:46 AM

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spiral cosmos i don't really think of hook swords as swords, honestly

I admit I find the standard hook-swords kind of goofy-looking and stole an old supposedly-auzhian design for mine that are more chopping-sword shaped

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prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:47 AM

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Wait huh

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 2:47 AM

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but I really like all the hook-sword martial arts

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:47 AM

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Regular hook swords look rads

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bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 2:48 AM

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they look all right in normal crouching-tiger-hidden-dragon scale, but when you blow them up to daiklave sizes it just gets a bit odd

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:48 AM

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this shit rules

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:48 AM

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i just don't think any of the hook swords i've ever seen are actual swords

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:48 AM

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i'm fine with hook swords because i had an on-off crush on jet from avatar the last airbender when i was a kid

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:49 AM

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like, I've spent enough time handling swords IRL, i do not think you're going to be using that thing in a fight at all like any other kind of sword

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in a literal mechanistic sense

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:49 AM

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they should be called something else, it's true

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:49 AM

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spiral cosmos https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/general-exalted-thread.44/post-266...

Looking over this and hypothetical upgrades, it feels like an upgrade charm for unweaving would really like to steal one of the submodules that alchs got.

Interceptor Spark Emitter (6xp): When the Alchemical uses a Simple or Reflexive Charm to make an attack, she can use Essence Pulse Cannon reflexively to make it.

So they can make use of all those 'Hi, I'm a Sid Thrown or Archery charm that's also a Simple Action'

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:49 AM

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combat crowbars...

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infernals got it too

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:50 AM

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Well they aren't really called hook swords

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:50 AM

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i wish it was just standard tech in the trees

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:50 AM

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the english just called them hook swords

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:50 AM

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I'd want a mote surcharge on it for Unweaving Method given that breaks its Artifact statline for less-than-5m privilege

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:50 AM

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instead of being relegated to infernal privilege and reasonable alch stuff

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:50 AM

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But yes that is a big thing

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:51 AM

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Every Direction Arrow + Unweaving Method: "Hey, so I learned this trick from our good friend Prince Balor..."

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:51 AM

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oh wait!

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i forgot that elemental bolt attack gets it too

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so it's missing on uhhh

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sids, abyssals, blazing solar bolt doesn't really count, and i genuinely don't even remember if lunars get one

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:52 AM

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Tenth Unweaving: Devil-Rending Hurricane Blast (12m, 1wp; Simple; Instant; Decisive-only): Make a ranged decisive attack with 13 dice out to medium range, ignoring armored Hardness; enemies immune to Wyld-exposure and the undead gain +5 Hardness against this. Double 10s on the damage roll. If it deals damage, knock the target back one range band and leave her prone, or two at 3+ damage; this can’t move her further than long range away from Strike-the-Heart. If the enemy was lower-Initiative, add +1 damage dice, or +2 of she's crashed; every three levels of damage inflicts a –1 crippling penalty on physical rolls for the rest of the scene, maximum –6.
at one point i had this in a QC but i ended up cutting it

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:52 AM

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Lunars don't really get a 'bolt'

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:53 AM

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it was kind of a thought experiment as much as anything else

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:53 AM

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mfw no moonfire eye beams sadcowboy

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:53 AM

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Though I do think it could totally be something they got. I'd make it like Wyldflame or something.

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 2:53 AM

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exercise in trying to turn unweaving technique into a fuckin' kido blast from bleach

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:53 AM

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i'd just make it stem from Cloaked In Moonfire

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 2:54 AM

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lunars do spit acid in a couple of places, but in general their emergency ranged attack is "I have four arms so I can carry a bow, eat attribute charms"

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:54 AM

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Lunars can get like 5 different ranged attacks yeah

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:54 AM

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i want them to get a Lover-esque "sorcerer's combat cantrip" button

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it's a v different aesthetic from puking up acid blood

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 2:54 AM

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...I could see a Lunar Bolt in their 'I am a Witch!' charms, yeah.

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:55 AM

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They also have the best ranged attack charm

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Boulder-As-Pebbles Attitude

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:55 AM

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oh actually, i know exactly where i'd put it

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:55 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/cygor-total-war-warhammer-beastmen-warhammer-fantasy-dont-run-youll-just-die-tired-gif-19354908

Tenor

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 2:56 AM

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i'd make it an upgrade tree off of their thaumaturgy one and fluff it as a specific blend of lunar magic and thaumaturgy

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and let them give a dinky version to minions as a thaumaturgical ritual

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similar to uhhhh

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pyreflame baptism

prisma sun Apr 18, 2026, 2:58 AM

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I do kinda wish there was rules for hitting people with terrain

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like if I throw a Yeddim at someone what damage does that do

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 3:00 AM

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i think they'd probably just want you to stat a yeddim as a heavy improvised thrown weapon?

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 3:01 AM

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I feel an entire yeddim has to qualify for siege weapon stats

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 3:01 AM

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oh right those exist

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yeah sure, mundane siege weapon but with close/short as its preferred ranges?

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that makes sense

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Collapsing Point of Destruction is definitely one of the coolest evocation names, too

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 3:04 AM

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Siege Weapons are funny. Never seen them used but they're very funny.

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Solar Charm: Wise Ruler Invocation 
Cost: 3m; Mins: Integrity 3, Essence 1
Type: Reflexive
Duration: Instant

Developed in the First Age, this charm lets the user know if the decision they are making is the correct one. Unfortunetly, since it's not divination, 'correct' is what you were already going to decide to do and it makes you feel good about doing it.

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 5:01 AM

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hmm

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are there any Form charms anywhere that aren't specifically templated as [Words] Form?

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i don't think so because they're just in MAs, Sids, and one artifact that i'm aware of

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and none of those break the pattern

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but if there are, it means that you can make a ligier MA with Form of the First Sun...

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 5:03 AM

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There's a couple in core! Steel Devil

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As it's for some godforsaken reason got multiple forms

wise ocean Apr 18, 2026, 5:03 AM

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Core...

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 5:05 AM

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wait shit fr?

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oh what the fuck it's not even called a Form?

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 5:06 AM

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Core!

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 5:07 AM

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are there any that do still use the word Form?

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i also just fucking noticed that it doesn't even have a reflexive clause outside of mastery

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this is glorpshit

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 5:09 AM

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Hey, you asked 😛

coral wraith Apr 18, 2026, 5:10 AM

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marsh garden are there any Form charms anywhere that *aren't* specifically templated as [Word...

~~infernal monster awakened~~

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 5:11 AM

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alas, neither Infernal Monster Awakened nor Dark Messiah's Wrath are form-keyworded

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although it would be cute if they were

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 9:15 AM

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Taunting Wyld Dance (5m; Reflexive; One Tick, Essence 5): An enemy attacking the Panjandrum suffers a -4 die penalty on a attacks against it. If the attacking character has a tie of Hatred, Anger or Frustration for the Panjandrum, a number of points of penalty equal to the value of that tie are converted to subtract successes instead of dice.

For a Raksha Noble (2nd Circle Demon Equivalent). Pondering if hitting ties of anger and hatred makes it too anti-abyssal/anti-infernal. Seem too much?

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 12:09 PM

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I missed Unweaving Method discussion ;_;

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I feel like the biggest strike against Unweaving Method is just that it's incompatible with simple charms

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 12:32 PM

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pretty much

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it's not actually the worst thing in the world, just kind of painful sometimes

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 12:36 PM

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There’s like one fun synergy for it that I’ve spotted, namely with the mastery effect of Ebon Shadow’s first attack charm

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But one fun synergy is not really enough

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 12:40 PM

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I hate to say it but it's kinda 'potential charm'. XD

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It's got so many things it feels like it could do.

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But doesn't quite hit the mark with any of them.

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 12:49 PM

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I really like that it exists but yeah

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 12:50 PM

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Quickly, give Essence Pulse Cannon the 'can be used with any ranged martial art'.

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I promice Alchs won't abuse it 😛

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 12:51 PM

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I don’t even know that I think that would be excessive, alchs pay out the nose for MA

fierce star Apr 18, 2026, 1:12 PM

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do they?

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it's 4 xp and they don't even need brawl.

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I guess 8 'cause it takes a slot

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I suppose there' sno way to get favored costs for charms

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 1:16 PM

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MA charms don’t take a slot but they’re the full 10xp

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 1:16 PM

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That's fair

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 1:21 PM

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And they don’t get the favored discount on ability purchases for prereqs

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Not saying it’s bad, just that I don’t think it’s excessive

spiral cosmos Apr 18, 2026, 1:28 PM

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horrifying ....

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i don't think alchemicals need more help with ma tbh they're borderline best in the game

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at least with full dex offense

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 1:29 PM

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Would Essence Pulse Cannon really change that?

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Maybe I’m underestimating it but it didn’t strike me as that crazy

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 1:31 PM

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Likely not but I imagine there's an element of 'better safe than sorry'.

I might have done a quick check and sadly the 'better with smashing attacks' style isn't ranged compatable

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So you can't go 'gave my essence cannon smashing + sat in the smashing boosting stance'

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I would totally let an Essence Cannon be used for Righteous Devil.

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It's a gun, let it use the gun style

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Also Righteous Devil cares a lot about reloading and thus isn't that big a boost for essence cannons

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That said: If the Colossus Martial art isn't compatible with Essence Cannons I'll be a bit sad.

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As that's less 'general martial arts' and more 'the martial art made for alchs'

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...if that makes sense?

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 1:44 PM

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You know, Essence Pulse Detonation I could see being an issue

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If allowed with 10 billion other things

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 1:47 PM

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...I kinda want to make the Ultimate Bard Alch some time.

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Cerulean Lute for Aura of Harmony, Silver Voiced Nightingale for Aria of Victory, Perfected Harmony Amplifier

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I can't attack but my allies gain: 

-Allies add a non-Charm die on attack rolls, which is converted to a non-Charm success if their attack benefits from an ally’s distract gambit or if their target has a −3 onslaught penalty or higher. If they take a defend other action, they gain +1 non-Charm Parry for purposes of defending their ward. 
-Double the Resolve bonus from positive Ties to communities they belong to or fellow group members, as well as Principles related to cooperation, belonging, solidarity, patriotism, or other positive aspects of group membership. Once per scene, they may reduce the Willpower cost to resist such influence by one. They also gain +2 non-Charm Resolve against influence that would weaken such Intimacies or create or strengthen opposing Intimacies, and against any Psyche effect.
-The martial artist and all allies who can hear the song gain a single point of Willpower at the start of each turn, which must be spent to resist influence or add a success to an action before their next turn. 
-She and allies within medium range gain (higher of Essence or 3) soak and Hardness, and ignore one point of onslaught penalty.

fierce star Apr 18, 2026, 2:23 PM

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tulip folio ``` Taunting Wyld Dance (5m; Reflexive; One Tick, Essence 5): An enemy attacking...

That's spicy btw. It might be a little undercosted? Maybe 6m. but it's probably fine?

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 3:22 PM

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fierce star That's spicy btw. It might be a little undercosted? Maybe 6m. but it's probably ...

Yeah, I've been trying to keep NPC charms to being mostly multiples of 5m to make them easier for GMs to track.

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If that makes sense?

fierce star Apr 18, 2026, 3:23 PM

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legit

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 3:27 PM

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Hm, you know I don’t think I realized how great being an alch or lunar is for Silver Voiced Nightingale

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 3:30 PM

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Oh? I always feel a hair iffy on it due to the loss of 'my weapon is an artifact'. It's also got a lot of mastery. Even if going full Hasune Miko would be very funny/comboing it with the alch song charms would be funny.

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 3:40 PM

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I’m mainly thinking that they can combo their native charms with it

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Whereas everybody else has to ask their ST if they’re screwed by compatibility

tulip folio Apr 18, 2026, 3:46 PM

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That's fair

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 6:31 PM

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velvet raft Hm, you know I don’t think I realized how great being an alch or lunar is for Si...

i believe the pair of SVN-compatible artifact instruments provide artifact combat stats?

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if not that could probably be an evocation

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missed the reply

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 7:22 PM

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when the clash hits real good

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E1 potential resistance solar down, luckily without injury but only due to some pretty solid dice luck on withering clash + risky decisive finisher

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when this guy gets some more essence and starts throwing big brawl + adamant skin technique around he's going to absolutely smoke me, but that's OK

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 7:26 PM

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when?

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did bro not get splattered

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by that double-kill decisive

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or is he a "five ox-bodies at e1" solar?

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 7:27 PM

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exact damage to incap and I liked him so I stunted for bashing because Telek wants everyone to grow to overcome their weaknesses

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only two

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 7:27 PM

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zamn

bleak hazel Apr 18, 2026, 7:30 PM

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admittedly if I hadn't had my artifact spear I would have been absolutely cooked, and he was throwing mundane hands

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as is traditional for dynasts I bullied him with privilege

fierce star Apr 18, 2026, 7:33 PM

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truly the greatest tradition of all time

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Hrm. I might be blind, I thought there was something in solar occult for like, clearing shadowlands/wyld zones. Am I misremember or is that purely within the workings of sorceorus workings?

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 7:39 PM

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Wyld-Shaping Technique clears the wyld

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it's worded in the most fucked ways, but later equivalents streamlined it more comfortably

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sids can sacrifice a random innocent victim to reclaim parts of the wyld

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not sure anyone can WST a shadowland

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abyssals can't

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and infernals can't either

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sids can cleanse a shadowland with some other charm i think

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yeah this one

fierce star Apr 18, 2026, 8:28 PM

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Hmm.

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I'm pondering the capstone for tha tmartial art i've been working on, and I was thinking a big 'hit a target and everything out to short range of it' decisive aoe with the usual decisive aoe caveats to it, but if the area it hits is a wyld zone, shadowland, or blight zone it is no longer that for the rest of the scene.

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 8:32 PM

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that would be wildly above par for the effort it usually takes to do that, but if it's only suppressing the effects for a scene that definitely changes the math

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since everything currently is big roll to do it for a significant amount of time

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(at least that i can think of)

fierce star Apr 18, 2026, 8:42 PM

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yeah, definitely just suppressing. MA5/E4

velvet raft Apr 18, 2026, 9:51 PM

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marsh garden i believe the pair of SVN-compatible artifact instruments provide artifact comba...

Huh, where are those?

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 9:54 PM

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velvet raft Huh, where are those?

i thought there was a second, but i can't find it

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the one i know of is the Thousand-Winged Fiddle in MFS

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(base attunement 2m, so it's an evocation + 5m to make it an artifact weapon)

wise ocean Apr 18, 2026, 9:55 PM

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svn-compatible artifact instrument is hilarious

marsh garden Apr 18, 2026, 9:59 PM

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which means that it's time to combine SVN with earth dragon...

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hunting horn time, baby

limpid badge Apr 18, 2026, 10:50 PM

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okay time to rip gorgon apart for fun pieces and make my Bloody Hand her sword for realsies this time

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 12:27 AM

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marsh garden which *means* that it's time to combine SVN with earth dragon...

smash attacks at range
mods, yeah, right there this poster. kill them with hammers

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 12:28 AM

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The nefarious thrown Sidereal

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 12:28 AM

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evil prone penalties

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 12:32 AM

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oh yes, I should add Rotten Leaf Arrested to my Infernal's arsenal, I haven't ragdolled anyone with flying spear technique yet

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:33 AM

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spiral cosmos >smash attacks at range mods, yeah, right there this poster. kill them with hamm...

it'll be fine!! there are like half a dozen ways to do that already!

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what's one more, applied to one of the best MAs around?

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 12:33 AM

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(unrelated: damn, Burning Branch goes hard, I love my (Essence) autosux double 10s decisive that I can just throw out once a fight for cheap)

coral wraith Apr 19, 2026, 12:35 AM

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marsh garden which *means* that it's time to combine SVN with earth dragon...

wait how

coral wraith Apr 19, 2026, 12:36 AM

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marsh garden what's one more, applied to one of the best MAs around?

I wouldn't call SVN one of the best MAs

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 12:36 AM

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marsh garden it'll be fine!! there are like half a dozen ways to do that already!

for your juvenile prank you will know nothing but chained smash attacks

coral wraith Apr 19, 2026, 12:36 AM

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But yeah

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:37 AM

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coral wraith I wouldn't call SVN one of the best MAs

i meant "ranged smashing applied to earth dragon"

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:37 AM

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spiral cosmos for your juvenile prank you will know nothing but chained smash attacks

i thought that said "i see reddit"

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which would have been much worse

coral wraith Apr 19, 2026, 12:38 AM

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oh okay

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clueless

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:39 AM

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coral wraith wait how

and this one was me pointing to hunting horn (instrument that's also a giant hammer) fusing [SVN-compatible instrument] and [ED-compatible giant hammer]

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'twas a jest

coral wraith Apr 19, 2026, 12:40 AM

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ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh

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apologies. it is early for me

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:40 AM

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fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:40 AM

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I was gonna make an Insect Glaive artifact at some point

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wanna know what stopped me?

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:42 AM

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the insect?

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:42 AM

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FAMILIAR RULES

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(or lack thereof)

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:43 AM

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or the fact that there's no cool name for an artifact glaive

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yeah that'd do it

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:43 AM

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I just stole the name of Lu Bu's weapon and called it a Sky Piercing Halberd

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:44 AM

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based

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RAW it would just be a grimcleaver but that makes me a lil bit sad

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:45 AM

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IIRC I had it closer to a Direlance

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:46 AM

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anyway i think you could do an IG and just say "here's your special little guy it counts as a familiar" and end it there

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:46 AM

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yeah but I wanted the evocations to mimic the powder-and-buff systems

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because I'm teh sort of person who has JE SUIS MONTE tattoed on their forhead* (*not really but I would)

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:49 AM

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oh no, i meant "end it there" as in end the familiar argument

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:49 AM

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ah

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fair

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:49 AM

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that'd be your attunement bonus "here's your blorbo, this is its stat block"

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:50 AM

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it was mostly like, trying to figure out how the fuck to stat it up

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:50 AM

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"it counts as a familiar (or doesn't)"

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:50 AM

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but like

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that was before we got demon templates

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:50 AM

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makes sense

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:50 AM

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as like, guidance for 'sure here's what a spirit familiar might look like'

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might revisit it sometime

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:51 AM

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i'd probably use the machine spirit template with no demat

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or maybe with demat!

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and with the demon excellency so it's easier to level up your little guy

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 12:52 AM

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Cost: 2m? Mins: Ess 1
Type: Supplemental?
Keywords: Withering Only
Duration: Instant
Prereq: None
When you make a Withering attack with The Black Blade apply effect based on Wakefulness
Closed: Attack becomes Smashing as the exalt crashes the stone-scab sheath of the black blade against their foe.
Slitted or above: Add the Wakefulness rating as automatic successes on the withering damage roll.```
im really fucking around over here.

wise ocean Apr 19, 2026, 12:52 AM

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prisma sun The nefarious thrown Sidereal

please give me EXTREME RANGE. give me some SOAK REMOVER. give me PERMANENT ANTI-DEATHLORD KITING. look at these things we give the sidereal host motes for

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:53 AM

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ah, the black blade of maliketh...

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waow

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 12:54 AM

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black blade of sorrows

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:54 AM

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much like Shaping defenses, i imagine that any deathlord would by necessity have a way to go "stop that you weasel fuck" to anyone trying to range kite them

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:54 AM

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yes it's called 'the circle of deathknights that is their miniboss squad'

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or in the lover's case 'can you kite a blizzard fucko'

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 12:54 AM

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limpid badge black blade of sorrows

mostly bc i ripped gorgon for its original stats and then went fuck. shit. fuck when i realized its entire charmset was e2+

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:54 AM

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ligier has that explicitly (but still no shaping defense) but any Big Boss Goober that dies instantly to keep-away probably would have died 6000 years ago

wise ocean Apr 19, 2026, 12:54 AM

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you actually can kite the blizzard

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which is the most hilarious thing

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:54 AM

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well shit

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serve sme for memeing

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 12:55 AM

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and gorgons wakefulness gimmick is fun but i can ignore the poison gimmick in favor of Something Else

wise ocean Apr 19, 2026, 12:55 AM

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she doesn't range band hard enough to stop Sid Thrown because that just keeps moving backwards at like 3 bands per round relative (they knock her back 1 with every attack) while throwing from Extreme

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it's so toxic

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(I say, approvingly, with a thrown sid)

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:55 AM

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it is really funny that gorgon has a whole one e1 evo

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 12:57 AM

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yeah.....

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funny....

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ha....

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 12:58 AM

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look, it's either laugh or cry

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 12:59 AM

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chopping tag is worth half an evocation i think,,,

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 12:59 AM

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I should remake my journies sid from ex2. The Seafolk are still a thing, right? Hmm. An artifact atlatl. Would ti be broken to make permanent longfangs for throwing? Is them nto auto-returning an important balance point?

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:00 AM

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What are seafolk

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:01 AM

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the good inhabitants of fishman island oppressed by the world government, of course

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 1:01 AM

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a first age human variation designed to live in the far west, underwater

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:01 AM

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Oh

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Well theres like 5 of those in 3e

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 1:01 AM

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the western equivalent to airfolk, dunefolk, and treefolk

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I mean the niobharans exist that's true

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well. Existed?

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:02 AM

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aquatic beastfolk communities and even polities still exist especially in the Undersea

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 1:02 AM

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gorgon really has been me going: wow okay there's such a cool little wakefulness mechanic it adds autosux on withers that's nice. oh its a little hard to stack well okay, im sure it'll be fine and realizing oh its just spend a wp for a scenelong +1 if i don't roll enough tens, and i get one charm that just inflicts an okay penalty and.... the rest of a kit locked away at e2 and e3 damn?

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:03 AM

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the Niobraran League itself is long gone

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 1:03 AM

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the big thing with her was she was a scout for her community who, uh. Could not read. And inherited a position that had a lot of paperwork. A lot of paperwork. For a woman entirely unsuited to things that weren't Big Game Hunting and Exploring Deep Trenches.

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 1:03 AM

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so! we write my black blade of sorrows and we'll give it some fun things

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:03 AM

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the Old Realm broke it

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:03 AM

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Theres an entire Fishman island in the west

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Like where normal people live in a society with fish people

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Theres also otter people, the fish people Leviathan lives with

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Who else

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Oh the guys that live by the realm

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:04 AM

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the Undersea of today is probably very very different than the Niobraran League was for a lot of reasons

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:05 AM

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Really hard to imagine the 10% of those guys that survived still kept the grudge that hard

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:05 AM

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Adversaries has a funny person called Sawana who has lore about it that namedrops the Dakkar Collective as a lesser confederation if that tells you anything

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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fierce star I mean the niobharans exist that's true

niobrarans weren't human

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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Right I know there's lots of options, but it was more 'her backstory in ex2 specifically had her being a Seafolk from one of their larger cities and partaking in that civilization' though Ican't for the life of me remember which one since it was more than a decade ago

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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fish-humans are different

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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niobraran is a political term

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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so it was a question of 'does she just plop in as is or do I need to do a rewrite'

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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the Spoken weren't humans

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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E3 specifically says that humanity is largely a political designation

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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technically beastfolk are all humans

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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also yeah wasn't there a first age solar who sided with the league because she was an aquatic beastfolk from them?

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:06 AM

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oh, "Niobraran" as the bespoke leviathan people was used like

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:07 AM

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the Spoken were their own thing though before the Old Realm genocided them

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:07 AM

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once in lunars (and is used by the fandom that i see)

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to refer to the Spoken's race, separate from the Niobraran League, aiui

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:07 AM

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I think that was a case of the concept evolving although its been a while

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:07 AM

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i wish there were Spoken sadcowboy

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and dragon kings

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although those just suffer the No Rulebook plight

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:08 AM

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there are dragon kings discussed in Agents although they do not get rules

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 1:08 AM

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dragon kings have a section in alchemicals!

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there's dragon kings in autochthon!

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I was so excited when I read taht!

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:08 AM

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neat

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i have missed that

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 1:08 AM

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they're called the people of the molten sun or something like that

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they're in there with the sapient rat colonies

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:09 AM

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I don't think the line explicitly says so until Agents but the Old Realm did just explicitly commit genocide on the Spoken the way they did all of the big non human races except for the Dragon Kings

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:09 AM

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Theres also dragon kings in creation still

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The lizard guys in 100 demon night parade

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:09 AM

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jungle stalkers

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:10 AM

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Thats the spice

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Actually borb, question for you

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Can the sentient wolves in the east Exalt

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:12 AM

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no

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not human

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:12 AM

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Fie

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:13 AM

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the Spoken were a break from this rule in that the Voice in the Trench found some fuckin way to do it but I have to assume that just meant they had some kind of lower soul higher soul split

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:14 AM

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i assume it's that they were bespoke designs for the Spoken

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:14 AM

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Man how many people have cracked the code on making Exaltatons

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:14 AM

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instead of bespoke designs for humans

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:14 AM

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prisma sun Man how many people have cracked the code on making Exaltatons

outside of Incarnae? Ketu

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er

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:14 AM

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And the Yozi

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Guy

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:14 AM

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and Sachavarell & Oramus

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:14 AM

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The sleepy guy

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And the Voice in the Trench

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:15 AM

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i've been told that was an incarna

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based on essence lore

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:15 AM

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it was before it was the voice

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:16 AM

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and then the other Yozis co-opted Solar exaltations, and the Deathlords co-opted Solar exaltations, and...okay the five elemental dragons aren't Incarnae and neither is Autochthon, but they're part of the same political body

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so Ketu and the two weirdest primordials

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:17 AM

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So is the Dark Mother an incarnae?

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:17 AM

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oh right her

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probably not

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she's apparently primordial-adjacent

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in that she's tied to a fundamental force of Creation (the Lethe & Sea of Shadows, as the proto-Underworld)

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:21 AM

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the Abyssals are neverborn juiced, not necessarily Deathlord juiced, and the deathlords got some of the tricks from the Yozi, so we're mostly on "Primordials, major gods, the Elemental Dragons and then The Dark Mother and whale boy just kind of tacked on the end there"

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:21 AM

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and so you've got the divine rebellion, the dark mother, the Weirdo Primordials, the voice in the trench (incarna), nebiru (incarna), aurora (incarna), ketu (primordial-adjacent)

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whale boy was a major god

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also i sure fucking wish the Abyssals were neverborn-juiced

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there are so few whispers charms sadcowboy

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:22 AM

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i think there's Deathlord juice in the Abyssal mocktail

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:27 AM

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Well they just choose right?

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It doesn't actually like, do anything

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:28 AM

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the deathlords are themselves hopped up on neverborn juice and I don't think they're Exalting anyone without it

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Abyssal charms are nicely deathlord-shaped though

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:28 AM

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nah, there's...a little bit of deathlord juice in their charmset

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not even a fraction as much as primordials to infernals, but

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most abilities have some obvious DL influence

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some with big trees

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:28 AM

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deathlord salt on the rim of the drink

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:28 AM

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it's kind of neverborn-as-seen-via-deathlord

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:28 AM

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like the stealth gangstalking tree is heron mojo

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and the classic resistance Take These Chains suite

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and the survival ice witch bullshittery that we now know is lover stuff

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 1:29 AM

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I figured the dark mother was a Yozi or Incarnae that died and went “fuck. okay. fine. I’ll play with new toys.” Since then

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:30 AM

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she's apparently tied to pre-Divine Revolution death

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the way it was before the Underworld existed

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so def not dead yozi

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and dead incarnae just kinda die, as per aurora and the voice in the trench

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same as other gods

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 1:35 AM

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eh~ it’s a mystery box innit? shove a fun answer in when you need it yaknow?

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:40 AM

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ye

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:40 AM

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insofar as it needs an answer at all

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:40 AM

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imagine being older than death and yet your exalts are terrestials

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smh

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:40 AM

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both the Dark Mother and Ketu seem mostly like handwaves to excuse the existence of the new weird exalts

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(Ketu's apocryphal, sure, but probably the best illustration of "entity that exists entirely to sit off the map throwing exaltations at people")

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:41 AM

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which one's ketu

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:41 AM

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elemental dragons

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:42 AM

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prisma sun which one's ketu

dream-souled

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:42 AM

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oh yeah them too

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:42 AM

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ah right

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:42 AM

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also the maidens

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who are just

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"oooooh, we showed up magically and no one knows where we came from"

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"nobody knows anything about us, but we have an agenda"

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:42 AM

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the maidens and the other incarna are bad examples here because they do stuff

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:43 AM

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you can make declarations of asspulling from anyone

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we just don't have a dark mother book

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because that's liminals, which doesn't exist yet

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presumably she will have content when she has content

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:43 AM

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The Maidens aren't just giving you exaltations, they're also your bosses

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:44 AM

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yeah but they don't show up in person

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:44 AM

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the elemental dragons also don't do stuff, nothing wrong with not doing stuff, but as patrons all of those are in the general category of "doesn't matter, get on with the exalting" as opposed to Sol, who will appear in the timeline doing stuff and being tired of life and so on, or Luna who shows up for a chat

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:44 AM

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all of the Incarnae are just in gay baby jail forever

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:44 AM

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yeah they do, you can go meet them and ask for new charms

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Sol is the least active one of the big seven and even he sends text messages to his new Zeniths

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and at one point mediates a strike action

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slash riot

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:45 AM

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that was a long-ass time ago was it not?

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 1:45 AM

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What do guys think the Games are

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 1:46 AM

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EU4

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 1:46 AM

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my mental image remains Azad from The Player of Games

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 1:50 AM

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I don't have a specific what but im sure the inspiration was from part of the cosmogeny in Gods of Pegana

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if I was at my computer i could find the exact thing but it's pretty direct there that the gods of pegana view existence as the game itself i think? id take that just to mean that the Games are at least in part a sort of heightened awareness of reality

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higher state of consciousness and all that

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 1:52 AM

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bleak hazel Sol is the least active one of the big seven and even he sends text messages to ...

this is why i had him watch a flower war!!!

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 2:04 AM

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Dominions 6

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Sol mains Marignon

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 2:07 AM

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Well it's a game that's causing the active downfall of society due to it's addictive nature so I must assume it's League of Legends

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 2:08 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/your-honor-gif-7934058817920800662

Tenor

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 2:09 AM

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Leage

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 2:09 AM

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I do not make the gifs

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 2:18 AM

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i appreciate that it's the mandy skeleton

fierce star Apr 19, 2026, 2:23 AM

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... an artifact flame piece with a 'fuller auto' mode....

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 2:32 AM

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...huh

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"artifact flame piece with a multiattack because it's automatic" feels like the kind of thing that i'd have seen a bunch

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but instead haven't seen at all

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(in homebrew, not official content, i know official content shies away from gunliness)

prisma sun Apr 19, 2026, 2:34 AM

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Speaker made one for his Autocthonian ganger

tulip folio Apr 19, 2026, 2:34 AM

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I've put an effect like that on a few weapons here and there.

Burst: This weapon deals damage as if it was one size larger against battle groups and legendary size targets.

Not a full on multi-attack but something to play up 'each attack is actually several'.

wise ocean Apr 19, 2026, 2:35 AM

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marsh garden "artifact flame piece with a multiattack because it's automatic" feels like the ...

righteous devil has a multiattack and also does five other things that make your firewand 20x better

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so there's not much of a use case unless you really like archery

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 2:36 AM

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righteous devil is an MA though, so you can't put it on your sun-killing abyssal archer or your wood element deeb sniper

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 6:05 AM

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Oh right important thing from flower war- the jobber mentioned here got his Infernal exaltation and the abyssal watched it happen! Yay! His whispers got in a fight with Ebby for narrative control

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 6:05 AM

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let's go??

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i hope he gets a really good showing somewhere else

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but not after he eats shit and gets clowned on again

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 6:11 AM

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Cinnereon is gonna Have A Time

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 6:15 AM

#

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 6:18 AM

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He got a neomah for his coadjucator and certainly this will be normal for him

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 6:22 AM

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I'm so happy for him

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in a schadenfreude kind of way, but still

dense verge Apr 19, 2026, 6:22 AM

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moving up in the world

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 6:51 AM

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dense verge moving up in the world

moving downwards, kind of lateral, not straight down

tulip folio Apr 19, 2026, 6:55 AM

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Here's a vague pondering - For attribute exalts, would letting them use str charms with weapons that don't use str...actually hurt balance?

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Like I'm not sure what 'An alchemical can use str charms with a bow but not a crossbow' really avoids breaking.

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As it doesn't avoid 'getting benefits without having strength', as having strength is needed for the charms themselves.

limpid badge Apr 19, 2026, 6:57 AM

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Hrmmmn

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maybe? it probably should be fine, but immmm not sure~!

velvet raft Apr 19, 2026, 11:11 AM

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tulip folio Here's a vague pondering - For attribute exalts, would letting them use str char...

Can't they already do this?

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Oh wait I misread the question

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Never mind

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 9:19 PM

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yum

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no extra sux, but thank you party reckoner

bleak hazel Apr 19, 2026, 9:22 PM

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damn, where did all those autosux come from

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 9:29 PM

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weird foundry formatting from attack roll threshold sux

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it only applied the 22 init + 3 extra dice i had

tulip folio Apr 19, 2026, 9:32 PM

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Invoke Chaos (10m, 1wp; Reflexive; One Scene; Essence 5): Automatic successes in hostile actions and damage rolls against the Panjandrum are downgraded to one rolled die each. Failed attacks against the Panjandrum botch if they have more 1s than (Attacker's essence).

I am being an ass on NPCs.

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 9:35 PM

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the reckoner and knife infernal keep killstealing from him as soon as he gets into melee range of something, and he's the only person that's talking this fight other than a blood ape

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hope is having a normal one

spiral cosmos Apr 19, 2026, 9:49 PM

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hate when that happens

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 10:33 PM

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yippee, getting 11 sux on a knowledge roll and getting to riffle through the ST's notes on a later antagonist

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i love taking derangements

velvet raft Apr 19, 2026, 11:08 PM

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marsh garden the reckoner and knife infernal keep killstealing from him as soon as he gets in...

This rocks

marsh garden Apr 19, 2026, 11:17 PM

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post-fight i got to see a weirdo that...i don't actually know what they are! but the fight was all ink-based clones and summoning and the description really made me think some kind of Neverborn soul, which is neat!

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and now we're e2

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and i have...just under 50 fucking xp to spend lol

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he definitely needs to learn how to read eventually, so he can actually send a report to his boss by something other than "other deathknight sends a familiar" lmao

marsh garden Apr 20, 2026, 1:26 AM

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hmm...spend four dots and one charm on disfavored abilities, or be responsible?

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what am i saying, Hope is not a responsible creature

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time for reckless spending

spiral cosmos Apr 20, 2026, 1:44 AM

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ink-clones...

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very good

marsh garden Apr 20, 2026, 2:16 AM

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oh neat, didn't realize the green lady's who my group's purplesid backed

tulip folio Apr 20, 2026, 6:19 AM

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Illusion of Fairness: The Panjandrum's ability to twist natural laws is great but not limitless, always requiring some method through which they can be broken. A character affected by a Shaping Effect or Sorcerous Curse inflicted by the Panjandrum are also provided a riddle giving hints of an esoteric method that will undo the Shaping Effect or curse. These are generally a Serious Task once understood, though they can be as easy as an Inconvenient Task or as painful as a Life-Altering Task depending on the Panjandrum's opinion on the affected character. The Panjandrum can provide the same method for more than one shaping effect or curse.

This make sense to people?

marsh garden Apr 20, 2026, 6:23 AM

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should clarify whether it's doing a thing for the QC or not, bc if it is that's way stronger

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otherwise makes sense

tulip folio Apr 20, 2026, 6:24 AM

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It's not intended to, no. it's intended to be more 'do some random mythic bullshit' with the task values just there to indicate Usual Difficulty.

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Like to use the example in my head 'They'll remain stone until the castle raises above the clouds' David Xanatos has the castle deconstructed and put on top of a sky-scraper

marsh garden Apr 20, 2026, 6:25 AM

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yh i'd just give examples then

tulip folio Apr 20, 2026, 6:26 AM

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Fair

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The intent is that it gives an 'out' on a QC that is very liberal with shaping effects and curses.

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If the PCs don't have someone who can cure such effects/their shaping defences fail

marsh garden Apr 20, 2026, 7:00 AM

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it's not punny enough of an artifact, but i'm now rotating an evocation for one of mine that's just called No Skin Off My Back...

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that lets you picture of dorian gray a rando to take physical harm when you would, or maybe when you commit a social faux paus

spiral cosmos Apr 20, 2026, 1:33 PM

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lmfao

tulip folio Apr 20, 2026, 2:02 PM

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Prototype Replicating Exaltation Matrix
Cost: 10m, 1wp; Mins: Intelligence 6, Essence 3
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: None
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Theurgic Emulation Converter, Champion-Forged Panoply Conduit
Orichalcum extensions to god-crystal lattices allow the Alchemical access to the unique essence flows of the most powerful of beings, simulating the narrative power of Raksha and the Divine Gifts of other exaltations for reproduction.

When the Alchemical or an allied character in medium range incapacitates a supernatural being, the Alchemical can save a Pattern of their essence flows. These patterns can be expended as part of a three day project to imbue an existing Artifact with (Target's Essence) additional evocations based upon the powers of that supernatural being, which may alter the artifact's thematics towards those of the supernatural being. These evocations will not generally directly copy existing charms but instead draw upon the identity and capabilities of the incapacitated being. A Fire Aspect Dragonblooded may imbue a sword with flames, while the Unconquered Sun's Light may make the wearer of a circlet speak with the authority of a creation-ruling mandate.

An individual supernatural being can only provide a single Pattern once per story, no matter how many times they are defeated and must be incapacitated in genuine conflict. In addition, each artifact can only be imbued with a single Pattern, though evocations granted by a Pattern do not count towards the maximum evocations an artifact can have.

The Imbuing Alchemical can use Great Maker’s Panoply to awaken evocations granted by a Pattern this way, even if they did not originally craft the artifact.

||Yes, this is Megaman's Copy System||

velvet raft Apr 20, 2026, 2:10 PM

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Pedantic: Fire Aspect, btw, not Caste

tulip folio Apr 20, 2026, 2:13 PM

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Oooh, la dee da Mnemon Ja De Man, get in the sword. XD

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More seriously: Adjusting

fierce star Apr 20, 2026, 2:27 PM

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hell yeah megaman

tulip folio Apr 20, 2026, 2:56 PM

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...vague pondering: Do you think it would be out of place/a problem to have an anti-battle group charm that hits order's dice stacking especially hard? As well, the ability to go 'hello, I have a billion order dice so I can make 5 dice peasants attack with 25 dice' is kinda silly.

My thoughts was 'Penalize a battle group's attack, ramp that penalty up heavily if they're benefiting from Order dice'.

wise ocean Apr 20, 2026, 2:57 PM

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sounds cool

tulip folio Apr 20, 2026, 3:00 PM

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Rebuke the Dialectic of Fist and Flame

spiral cosmos Apr 20, 2026, 3:58 PM

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prerequisite of Four Dialectical Materialism Form

tulip folio Apr 20, 2026, 4:16 PM

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Rebuke the Dialectic of Fist And Flame
Cost: 5m, 1wp; Mins: Charisma 5, Essence 2
Type: Reflexive 
Keywords: Perilous 
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: A couple. 

The Wanderer tests wyld power against the might of iron and hate, dispelling thier influence upon the world. 

When an opposing enemy commander makes a command action, the wanderer can oppose it with a (Charisma + [Presence, Performance or War]) roll. Each success on the Wanderer's roll subtracts one success from the command action.

Reset: Each commander can only be affected this way once per scene.

Keys:

Extinguished Flame: Each 1 or 2 on the opposing command action inflicts 1 die of withering damage upon the commanded battlegroup after resolving the command action. 

A Better Way(Extinguished Flame, Essence 3): Each magnitude lost from Extinguished Flame's withering damage restores one lost magnitude of an allied battle group as enemies are inspired to defect.

velvet raft Apr 20, 2026, 5:26 PM

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That’s extremely cool

limpid badge Apr 20, 2026, 7:01 PM

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everyone loves my solar babyface (the infernals decided he was Too Cool to kill)

bleak hazel Apr 20, 2026, 7:03 PM

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(sorry I one-tapped him, I really thought he had Adamant Skin, round 2 will presumably go longer)

limpid badge Apr 20, 2026, 7:03 PM

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i really thought he had enough soak and hardness stuff and didn't want him to completely invalidate telek's build

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now i will be getting help on my characters

prisma sun Apr 20, 2026, 7:04 PM

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bleak hazel (sorry I one-tapped him, I really thought he had Adamant Skin, round 2 will pres...

bleak hazel Apr 20, 2026, 7:06 PM

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it's round 1, everyone else was beating up on Heroic Mortals and Adversaries terrestrials, so it makes sense that he was not quite ready for artifact weapon beatdown and will be more locked in next time

limpid badge Apr 20, 2026, 7:08 PM

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if telek had a normal spear with no fire and didnt make that super clash work he was gonna get heaven-thunder-hammered

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mostly bc that clash was a Ox-Stunning Blow

bleak hazel Apr 20, 2026, 7:09 PM

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yeah I was a little worried there but luckily full excellency + WP successfully went brr

spiral cosmos Apr 20, 2026, 7:13 PM

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Jinbe my son

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Good placement on a grid

limpid badge Apr 20, 2026, 7:15 PM

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Jerun the Mighty is a fishman (marlin) who wants to end the guild's predation on his people, so he's seeking to become The Strongest In The Southwest

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so far he has charmed 2/3 infernals in the group

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by being Sting (92)

bleak hazel Apr 20, 2026, 7:16 PM

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having a spear duel with a man who simply has a giant spike attached to his face instead of an actual weapon is the right blend of cool and silly

spiral cosmos Apr 20, 2026, 7:17 PM

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exalted fishman karate...

limpid badge Apr 20, 2026, 7:17 PM

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fishman escrima

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since he's got a knife (on his face)

limpid badge Apr 20, 2026, 7:22 PM

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bleak hazel having a spear duel with a man who simply has a giant spike attached to his face...

i think its good that his tactic was to try and smash burning branch out of the way, focusing his hand strikes on telek's limbs and aiming for the headbutt/stab as his cashout

bleak hazel Apr 20, 2026, 7:24 PM

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yeah, it's an interesting matchup physically because Telek can use telekinesis on his spear and has bronze skin for punching and blocking, so both of them have fisticuffs-assisted spiking

limpid badge Apr 20, 2026, 7:24 PM

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they're good rivals!!!

bleak hazel Apr 20, 2026, 7:25 PM

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Telek, like any good dynast, gets basically none of this power from his native charms and is channelling the power of raw privilege

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spear (stolen), sorcery (qaf), outfit (pretentious)

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man if this guy had exalted as a deeb he would have been such a Young Master stereotype

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he's kind of getting there but he has too much PTSD to really lock into the domineering stuff yet

marsh garden Apr 20, 2026, 7:27 PM

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i think he still is, it's just as the Arrogant Young Master first arc villain who couldn't actually cut it in his sect and sold his allegiance to a demonic sect instead

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he's still deebing it up publicly, but he's plagued by Wicked Loyalties and his own self-doubt

bleak hazel Apr 20, 2026, 7:27 PM

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he has literally gone off to found his own shitty wasteland sect where he occasionally grabs random people and refines them into crafting ingredients, so that makes sense

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his manse is this big broken-off fragment of Qaf that landed in Metagaos and had a town steadily carved into it because having the odd 1CD abducted by the mad infernal who lives on the peak is a better deal than trying to live in Metagaos normally

marsh garden Apr 20, 2026, 7:34 PM

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hmm

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requesting a look at a charm, once i finish writing the last bit

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initially i had it as one e1 charm + one e2 charm, but now it's just an e2 and i'm not sure if i need to split it again and/or make some of the effects higher

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mm, actually, i don't have good mechanical ideas for the third option, so i'll just post it as-is

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Wolf at the Door
Cost: —; Mins: Essence 2
Type: Simple
Keywords: Dissonant
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisites: See As I See
The bearer is a blade, swinging like a hangman's noose. She knows that there is no threat in a sword unheld — so she wields herself with reckless disregard, mantled in her darling's name.
After a scene spent stirring the ghosts within Oizys and inciting them to neurotic fear, the Hand drapes herself in one of the following mantles:

Blood-Mad Mongrel: The ghosts froth with wordless rage and terror, and the Hand always seems a hair's breadth from violence. She gains the Hideous Merit, and characters can't bolster their Resolve against threaten rolls made by her or leveraging her presence, except with Intimacies whose subjects are physically nearby, such as a Tie of Immaculate faith with an Immaculate temple within shouting distance. An ally benefiting from her distract gambit adds (her Appearance - target's Resolve) dice on the decisive damage roll.

Pretty Little Thing: The ghosts grasp at the tatters of desire, fearful of forgetting all they coveted and lusted for, unaware their memories are long since lost. The Hand seems an extension of her soulsteel arms, nothing but a resplendent display of art. She loses the Hideous Merit if she had it, and her Anchor adds (her Appearance - target's Resolve) non-Charm dice on instill and persuade rolls that leverage her as an art piece. Characters without Ties to her treat her as an object, rather than a person, which is a Psyche effect that can be resisted for a scene by spending one Willpower when she enters somewhere a servant shouldn't be, displays significant independence, or takes a harmful, threatening, or obviously supernatural action.

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Sinner-Eating Jackal: The Hand stokes the ghosts' neuroses above all else, reminding them of old obsessions and forgotten secrets. The Hand seems both furtive and intrusive, a person with everything to hide and who knows what everyone is hiding. [people with something to hide think you're on to them; nerve breaks when they lie, penalty on stealth and larceny]

The Hand may only don one mantle at a time, and it lasts until she spends a scene changing it.

Dissonant: This Evocation gains a cost of five motes, and its duration becomes one day.

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no good ideas on the last, "lying" in exalted is kinda fucky

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but i'd at least like opinions on the first two

wise ocean Apr 20, 2026, 9:28 PM

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prisma sun Apr 20, 2026, 9:31 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/bald-bald-head-shiny-bald-head-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-4830356535569685568

Tenor

wise ocean Apr 20, 2026, 9:33 PM

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he follows in the tradition of all good sith lords

merry arch Apr 20, 2026, 9:34 PM

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he's such a shithead i lvoe him

limpid badge Apr 20, 2026, 10:09 PM

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THE BOY THE BOY

coral wraith Apr 20, 2026, 10:34 PM

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wise ocean

He's so majestically awful I love him

velvet raft Apr 20, 2026, 11:16 PM

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wise ocean

Oh, huh! Not how I envisioned him! Very cool, changes my image of the guy somewhat.

velvet raft Apr 20, 2026, 11:38 PM

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@marsh garden Did you see that someone's doing an Exalted game in the PMoon setting over on the discord?

marsh garden Apr 20, 2026, 11:39 PM

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oh, i kind of half-did!

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have to take a peek again

velvet raft Apr 20, 2026, 11:40 PM

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I probably can't apply and my knowledge of PMoon is approximate at best, but it's just an interesting mashup

wise ocean Apr 20, 2026, 11:40 PM

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velvet raft Oh, huh! Not how I envisioned him! Very cool, changes my image of the guy somewh...

Huh, I'm actually curious what the vision was

velvet raft Apr 20, 2026, 11:41 PM

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A little more of a rough and tumble, I Am A Warrior type

prisma sun Apr 20, 2026, 11:42 PM

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No ping for the PJM avatar amongus....

velvet raft Apr 20, 2026, 11:42 PM

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Perhaps that's because the main scene I encountered him in was in the whole Harkonnen Pools Context

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Did not know that's a PJM avatar, my bad

wise ocean Apr 20, 2026, 11:57 PM

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velvet raft Perhaps that's because the main scene I encountered him in was in the whole Hark...

this is fair

I'm kind of targeting "this guy is Ethnically Realm" in the structure

spiral cosmos Apr 20, 2026, 11:58 PM

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ethnically wán?

wise ocean Apr 20, 2026, 11:59 PM

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not quite sure of the translation there, I admit

(GRAVES BACKSTORY SPOILERS) ||he was a senior Tepet mortal armiger who got his Bleak Exaltation at Futile Blood||

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||so he's got and keeps those aristocratic lines even in death||

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hopefully that makes sense, hah

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 12:18 AM

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oh, i was just talking about like

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ethnicity in the Realm is weird

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the Wán are sort of the biggest one on the eastern Isle iirc

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the classical dynast look is them

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 12:21 AM

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ah! Sorry, that's me just being a relatively new transplant to the system, then

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Correct

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a major influence on his design was also Villeneuve's Feyd-Rautha, since I thought the idea of those catlike, kind of otherworldly and deathly pale features veined with corrupt Essence like marble really sold the Abyssal look

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:26 AM

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I actually wonder

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Could you even have particularly diverse ethnicities in Exalted?

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:27 AM

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Yes

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Creation is huge

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:27 AM

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With the caveat of 90% of all humanity, in terms of evolution, JUST died

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Like thats what I mean

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 12:28 AM

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i think the vision of 3e is a solid yes on that one so that's just gotta be squared with the bottleneck somehow

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:28 AM

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700 years ago is quite a long time

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:28 AM

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Yeah I figured its something not to think too much about

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Not in terms of like

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Making new ethnicities though I would think

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:28 AM

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It is

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Ethnicity really isn’t that high a degree of variation, it’s mostly just common superficial features bounded by geography

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There are some rare more significant genetic markers attached like that one ethnic group in East Asia with the huge spleens that make them very good divers

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But mostly it’s just that people in a given valley are going to all end up with similar face shape over the course of five or six generations

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 12:33 AM

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I admit I tend to massage the 90% figure slightly because even with magic nonsense it doesn't quite hold up, but assuming your homeland wasn't literally eaten by faeries then a decent number of the pre-existing societies should have survived

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:33 AM

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A generation being about 20-30 years, that’s

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Like 28 generations since the contagion?

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 12:34 AM

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90% of all life in Creation or something is the figure i think for what the contagion wipes out?

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i'm gonna be real this is one of those "don't stare directly at the sun" things for me

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:34 AM

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bleak hazel I admit I tend to massage the 90% figure slightly because even with magic nonsen...

And yeah, if anything you might see intensification of ethnic traits

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Due to loss of local genetic diversity

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 12:35 AM

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I put that one down to "yeah that is the kind of thing people write when plague ravages the land and the world is being invaded by legions of doom fae" and adjust it down to merely one and a half black deaths at once but I admit I am more touchy about that one due to being a grumpy epidemiologist

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:35 AM

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And breakdown of long-distance trade

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No more shogunate cosmopolitanism, as it were

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:42 AM

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Yeah I imagine this is the caveats to work with

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But at the same time its interesting to take at face value

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How the FUCK do we have megafauna

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:44 AM

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Theion really liked dinosaurs so reality naturally gives them an edge :V

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looks at Dragon Kings

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:44 AM

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bleak hazel I put that one down to "yeah that is the kind of thing people write when plague ...

i mean in fairness the black death only hit europe

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and uh

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parts of the middle east? i think?

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unless those were parts that are "also europe"

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:46 AM

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I believe it ravaged the entirety of eurasia

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:46 AM

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wait fr

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 12:46 AM

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yep

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:46 AM

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okay time to do some googling, i love the american education system lol

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 12:47 AM

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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04800-3

Nature

The source of the Black Death in fourteenth-century central Eurasia

Nature - The source of the Black Death in fourteenth-century central Eurasia

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:47 AM

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velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:48 AM

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But yeah, I think we’d only see a decline in ethnic differentiation if the survivors were all concentrated in one place

buoyant summit Apr 21, 2026, 12:48 AM

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Also doesn't Creation have a fucking massive population due to being massive-er than Earth?

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:49 AM

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Well yeah but thats kinda irrelevant when we have a percentage

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:50 AM

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10% survivors would be a lot more overall though

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:50 AM

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90% of everyone dying is Bad

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:50 AM

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but yeah

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:50 AM

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And even then its only a percentage of that 10%

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Because everyone then also died to the fae

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:50 AM

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Well, but if 10% is 10,000 survivors the ability to recover is different than if it’s 10,000,000

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:50 AM

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And then presumably began starving to death

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:50 AM

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i assumed that the 90% was including the fae sloppy seconds

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:50 AM

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No

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The Great Contagion alone killed 90% of everyone

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:51 AM

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damn

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:51 AM

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THEN the balorian crusade happened

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Thats why everyone hates the dowager

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She tops the leaderboard

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:51 AM

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most people don't actually know it was the dowager

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:52 AM

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No I meant the deathlords

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 12:52 AM

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this is also why I change that number because 10% survival rate of all life across all Creation before the fae invasion is "welp, that's all she wrote" territory

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:52 AM

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Ye

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:52 AM

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most of them aren't actually described as hating her even after that, it's mostly like...lingering fear or continued pity

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and then the Eye's a sicko that just wants to crack her open

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:53 AM

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bleak hazel this is also why I change that number because 10% survival rate of *all life* ac...

I mean it kinda was

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Then Big S stepped up

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:53 AM

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I think Voy’s point is more that if we’re competing for kills, she inspires significant envy

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From everyone

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:54 AM

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yh fair

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 12:54 AM

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no, as in "forget about the fae, the world is done for" territory, because you do in fact need 90% of all life forms other than man

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:55 AM

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It requires something of a handwave, yeah

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 12:55 AM

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I believe in prior eds it was something like 50% of the Isle, 90% of the Threshold, which is a bit too hard of a line but makes more sense

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:55 AM

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If 90% of bacteria died IRL that would be very, very bad

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:56 AM

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would be neat if they got some sickos to work out how they could keep the 90% of life figure and have magic salvage it

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:56 AM

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I dont actually think we know if bacteria exist in Exalted

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:56 AM

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I’m making a more general point about food webs

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 12:56 AM

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Ofc

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:57 AM

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But anyway, one possible answer is that Heaven fuckin’ scrambled for the next two-hundred years

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Or more

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 12:57 AM

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marsh garden would be neat if they got some sickos to work out *how* they could keep the 90% ...

I had occasionally considered inventing some kind of creation-wide Yu-Shan Ark project that was derailed halfway through by heaven going onto full lockdown, just to justify having a bunch of weird otherwise extinct beasties hanging out in heaven

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 12:57 AM

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that's cute

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:58 AM

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Could even use that to play to the current graft-ridden state of the Celestial Bureaucracy

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 12:58 AM

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Journeys Botanical Garden is an idea I've had kicking around in the back of my head

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 12:58 AM

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And say that a lot of gods got a lot of emergency powers during the Contagion which still haven’t expired

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 12:58 AM

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(had to come up with Crystal's favorite place in Heaven)

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 1:00 AM

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velvet raft And say that a lot of gods got a lot of emergency powers during the Contagion wh...

This might be my new headcanon

tulip folio Apr 21, 2026, 1:05 AM

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Meanwhile the Jadeborn: "I don't think the contagion was that big a deal. People left us alone for a while. "

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 1:07 AM

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the contagion and raksha invasion afterward surely had no lasting and traumatic impacts upon members of the sidereal host. they are all very normal because of it

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 1:09 AM

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(they all died)

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actually, do the jadeborn have any kind of intrinsic disease resistance?

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would they be more fucked because of smaller populations or less fucked because of robust biology?

tulip folio Apr 21, 2026, 1:10 AM

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They're all essence users and notably durable ones.

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They also live in isolated vaults.

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 1:12 AM

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spiral cosmos the contagion and raksha invasion afterward surely had no lasting and traumatic ...

I'm sure the Silver Pact is also completely normal in this respect. Surely.

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 1:13 AM

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huh, new character concept just hit

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if I ever get to play in an elder campaign I'll have to pull out purplesid (medicine) (there for the contagion)

tulip folio Apr 21, 2026, 1:13 AM

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Both them and dragon kings reincarnate but unlike the DK jadeborn are sapient to start and their souls can't be permanently destroyed, even by spirit destroying effects.

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So they avoided 'fae invasion permanently fucked our numbers'

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 1:14 AM

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wise ocean if I ever get to play in an elder campaign I'll have to pull out `purplesid (med...

CPOC?

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:14 AM

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Drifts is very normal about his memories of the contagion

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I also have solidified the God oc I will eventually need to stat out

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 1:14 AM

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Oh I didn't realize he was that old

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:14 AM

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He isn't, but his previous reincarnation was there for it

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 1:14 AM

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Aha

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:15 AM

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Sif, his previous incarnation, died of old age

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so he was Fuck Old

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 1:16 AM

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velvet raft CPOC?

yep, cpoc/craft (sculpture)/medicine/sorcery is what the concept is saying to me

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they have a whole memorial garden full of statues of people no one's seen since the Balorian Crusade

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:16 AM

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I also was thinking more of the God OC I need to stat out eventually

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Corona, Goddess of Valor

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One of Conky's Nepo-Babies who inhabits an aspect of his valorous nature in combat but who essentially locked herself out of heaven during the Contagion and is so traumatized from all the death that despite being a goddess of battle who loves fighting she has done everything in her power ever since to make sure she never has to witness a war again

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 1:19 AM

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Autochthonians, in a conversation about the Great Contagion: "90% of your population???! How are you still around? You must have numbered in the low hundreds, at that point!"
Creation-born: "..."

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:20 AM

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She was very nakedly formed into being from me watching Fate Babylonia

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velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 1:20 AM

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wise ocean yep, cpoc/craft (sculpture)/medicine/sorcery is what the concept is saying to me

Extremely normal, having disease-based trauma and using a disease-based martial art XD

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 1:21 AM

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velvet raft I'm sure the Silver Pact is also completely normal in this respect. Surely.

I think the Silver Pact is more normal about this purely because they have a rather faster turnover so less of them were there for it, but I can't imagine the survivors are less shaped by it

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:21 AM

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Corona is most likely going to be an NPC I play if the pbp ever gets to the Realm Arc

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 1:22 AM

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velvet raft Extremely normal, having disease-based trauma and using a disease-based martial ...

Sids: Known For Normalcy

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:22 AM

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Because she's going to see the War kicking off and go WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT

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Also she's half escstatic and half terrified of the solars being back

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"Cool I loved wrestling my little brothers and sisters but also they keep Doing Wars"

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 1:24 AM

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marsh garden would they be more fucked because of smaller populations or less fucked because ...

well the contagion is like, a spooky magic disease

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i'm not sure it's working the way normal ones do

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:24 AM

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Yeah

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You didn't survive because You Were Cool

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you survived because you got infected and it just spun the wheel

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 1:25 AM

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I think essence users were stated to be slightly less owned

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but it still killed elder exalts and third circles and so on so clearly it was only slightly

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:26 AM

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Incredibly hilarious to imagine a big demonic meeting and Ligier just watches one of his demon-brothers fall dead on the spot

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"Hmm. Ah shit."

velvet raft Apr 21, 2026, 1:29 AM

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Wonder if that caused any personality changes in Yozi

coral wraith Apr 21, 2026, 1:30 AM

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prisma sun Corona is most likely going to be an NPC I play if the pbp ever gets to the Real...

speaking of, did you end up getting on to speaker? i need his ass for the Sid scenes

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 1:30 AM

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I did but let me do so Again

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I also need to bug Noelle because she DID

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sign up to be the Lookshy representive

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 3:26 AM

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I have applied to that PJM Exalted game

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I'm still very confused on like

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What does it mean for the Exalted to be in the City

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 4:05 AM

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yeah, i was trying to figure out the timeline and like

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how the City coexists with Yu-Shan

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:07 AM

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I am thinking about trying to make an Ex-Middle Siddie work

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a Siddle if you will

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Though I'm wondering how well a Pure Brawl Sid works

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 4:13 AM

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very

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:16 AM

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A lot of grappling

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 4:19 AM

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take strength 5

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if you're going all in

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:22 AM

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Hrrmmm

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Brawl Sid or going all-in on improvised Melee weapons

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 4:22 AM

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brawwwwwwlllllll

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 4:23 AM

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speared boar struggle is gigabusted

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you should do that

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 4:23 AM

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it has good vibes

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by which i mean bad vibes

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but bad in a delightful way

limpid badge Apr 21, 2026, 4:24 AM

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speared boar struggle very funny for my cerulean lute girlie

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:27 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/middle-the-middle-sinclair-middle-little-brother-limbus-company-gif-17340568631278555540

Tenor

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hit 'em with the

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Actually Speared Boar Struggle is just Peak Middle huh

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So the goal I would assume

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Is to bump your Defense as high as it can go to sacrifice all of it for a big wham

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 4:31 AM

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honestly you don't need to buff it at all, just use the post-getting-hit defences from there and Resistance

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 4:31 AM

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consider: ring abyssal

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 4:31 AM

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nah you just accept you're getting nugged and be a soakbeast

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 4:31 AM

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wise ocean consider: ring abyssal

they banned solaroids

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:31 AM

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Yeah

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 4:31 AM

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fuck

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:31 AM

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no solarroids

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 4:31 AM

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go "I subtract three from my def, you hit me", tank it and then lock in the autograpple

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 4:32 AM

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ring abyssal is so cool though...

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 4:32 AM

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it would be

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 4:32 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

Tenor

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:32 AM

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The character ideas I had so far are:

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Dragon-Blooded Liu Association-subsidiary office Fixer who was orphaned by the Smoke War, and is hoping to make sure that never happens to anyone again.
Sidereal ex-Middle Little Brother who doesn't feel any connection to his family since they are unable to remember who he is anymore.
Alchemical full-body augment user akin to Multi-Crack who thinks everyone needs to get on this.
LEAST fleshed out by far, but Hearteater or Lunar Bloodfiend sounds rad.

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 4:32 AM

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eventually you can respond to someone punching you by automatically grappling them and killing their wife instead of taking damage, but that requires E4

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 4:32 AM

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i need to workshop the actual PC for decent presentation, but i'm thinking about either a-

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BLOODFIEND BRAIN

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i was thinking umbral bloodfiend, but

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:33 AM

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God the hellish task of Exalted character creation

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 4:33 AM

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it's become surprisingly simpler as I build More Guys

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the thing that's really hell is Evocations

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 4:34 AM

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I like doing evos

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 4:34 AM

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was gonna present either an umbral bloodfiend or an alch who went hard into debt trying to join the Gaze Office

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 4:34 AM

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yeah man just homebrew 1-2 charms every single time you make a character

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it just don't click

marsh garden Apr 21, 2026, 4:34 AM

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and completely failing because that's like...an actual office

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:38 AM

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wait hold on

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https://i.imgur.com/ubrbMif.png

Imgur

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Does Yeddim Hauling Wage just say "you can spend 4m on a 3m charm"

wise ocean Apr 21, 2026, 4:39 AM

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yes, but not using str

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it's a replacer

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:39 AM

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Ah okay

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Also can I ask what the point of effective strength is

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Cuz it feels like the way the FoS table works that effective strength does't matter without a bonus on top

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to the roll

chilly sluice Apr 21, 2026, 4:41 AM

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Don't you need a certain amount of Str to be allowed to attempt large enough feats?

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 4:42 AM

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you need both, but it's good to have a bit of extra effective strength because your excellency can get you into the low end of strength 7+ feats on that alone

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but you can't actually do 'em until you have more strength

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honestly kind of an odd system

spiral cosmos Apr 21, 2026, 4:43 AM

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prisma sun Actually Speared Boar Struggle is just Peak Middle huh

it is so ridiculous

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truly one of the Charms Of All Time

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 4:44 AM

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nobody is ever allowed to lowball an attack against you again, lest you just eat it in exchange for a mega slam

prisma sun Apr 21, 2026, 4:45 AM

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A Brawl Resistance focused Sid seems like the play

bleak hazel Apr 21, 2026, 4:45 AM

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Hostility Acceptance Technique is also very neat

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