Exalted

[marsh garden]

Hope is a very functional boything who is very good at exactly nothing

[wise ocean]

it's bad out here. there are 24 different bound ghosts monitoring shipping tonnage in and out of the city. the mask of winters keeps sending abyssals to kung fu punch them but the sidereal necromancy division at the Stylite Pillar immediately places two more spy satellites in their place

[buoyant summit]

This boy needs SSRIs

[bleak hazel]

It's OK, Four Seasons Rival will rein them in. I have Heroic Essence Replenishment and I'm going to make it everyone else's problem so they can't start other problems by themselves.

[buoyant summit]

Holy shit

[coral wraith]

hey

[coral wraith]

so does GM

:)

[prisma sun]

God this is a bad night for me to have a morning shift

I wanna yap...

[buoyant summit]

Oh btw if you take PAoC on Rival if our game goes on long enough I'm going to call it Four Seasons Creation Landscaping

[marsh garden]

Four Seasons Rival becomes Four Seasons Hotel...

[spiral cosmos]

the call of the yap

[bleak hazel]

Going to end some Deathlord presidential campaigns there I see

[tulip folio]

I am laughing my ass off at us posting these with two soul eater characters less than a minute apart. XD

[limpid badge]

LETS MAKE IT THREE BOYS N GIRLS

[dense verge]

i got handed the talking stick for the mask of winters in the server voy has and ive been having a ball with him

[limpid badge]

a second cronabyssal has hit the building

[bleak hazel]

A dev shows up and all the OCs fall out of solution and form a crystal like you tried to dissolve too much salt

[marsh garden]

the funniest part is a couple days ago when aspup shared their sopping wet Red Revel character's touchstones for the first time

and they also included Crona and Denji

[spiral cosmos]

oh, red revel is fun

[marsh garden]

RED REVEL IS SO FUCKING FUN LOOKING

[coral wraith]

ashley has enlightened me about SMAs not really having many withering buffs so PAoC grinning mask is on the table

[limpid badge]

yah!!! our friend @merry arch is doing Weeping Reveler Brings Blessed Ends who is having their heartbeat managed by the sword

[tulip folio]

I'm a bit worried that it's the Alchemical that gets the 'Maka Serial Killer' expression while the Abyssals are just Sad. XD

[buoyant summit]

Doesn't have a Soul Eater character but we think it is funny

[marsh garden]

i do not like swords. it is a contrarian opinion combined with profound burnout. nonetheless, red revel has chained my mind and stolen my heart forever

[buoyant summit]

Yet another character in need of SSRIs

[spiral cosmos]

i only Kind Of worked on the abyssals companion but i enjoyed watching the daiklave happen, the author killed it

[limpid badge]

i mean bloody hand has Tomie on there. im planting the red flag.

its not subtle

[bleak hazel]

I can't get to my cool inspiration templates but I've got Dean Domino the Moonshadow, who is the least soggy abyssal in the current complement except maybe Graves

[coral wraith]

are there more sorcerous martial arts in sid companion beyond flying guillotine....asking for a friend...

[marsh garden]

no

[spiral cosmos]

no, sorry

we only had the one

[prisma sun]

I dont have art crying

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357914108623589609/1458503175655919636/image.png?ex=69d7d8ee&is=69d6876e&hm=e9aeabd3a35f4aaf7d35232dc8ec81bed390bc645ec8f44ee3eb2137ecc8762e&

[coral wraith]

alas

[marsh garden]

i need more games so i can play non-soggy characters

[spiral cosmos]

we kind of had to figure out how to do one in the first place

[marsh garden]

and more soggy characters

i appreciate that it exists as an introduction and template!

[limpid badge]

neither do i don't worry about it

[wise ocean]

please understand the abyssals are sad because everything else went into this motherfucker

[coral wraith]

i did homebrew a stormwind rider ScMA so thank you for the inspiration

[limpid badge]

i've been playing with dollmakers to make my arby's and bloody hands

[bleak hazel]

Briar has already put Flying Guillotine and Cerulean Lute on every possible character and is now in nerd martial arts withdrawal

[coral wraith]

FGS rules

[spiral cosmos]

originally i wanted more martial arts in the book 😭 but i think it would've killed me

[marsh garden]

its presentation and like...validation of existence is super helpful for templating

and has made me desperately want to learn MA creation so i can make like sorMA lmao

[coral wraith]

boy the second Forbidding Manse of Ivy Style is out I'm putting it on a blorbus

[bleak hazel]

Personally I'm just fiending super hard for the QCs and Sapphire Veil

[buoyant summit]

Faeblooded Endings moment

[limpid badge]

girl who is okay with her slavering horror maw.

[prisma sun]

I am excited for more fuckass charms

[limpid badge]

(she's not)

[buoyant summit]

(Her WSAV is 'being forgotten')

[coral wraith]

you can guarantee that

[prisma sun]

I love sids for their fuckass charms

[wise ocean]

I just want to see if crimson panoply works for me so I can do an Alch Cataphractii Terminator with it

simple man

[bleak hazel]

I want to use Eternal Infatuation Dance, I never managed to in 2e but it looked so cool

[prisma sun]

I love that I found out CMOS can combo with falcon to throw people like 10 miles away

[buoyant summit]

Why would crimson panoply facilitate cataphractii?

[tulip folio]

Some adjustments were made to RiRi to get room for some Cerulean Lute intro charms as the 'come on, let's not fight' and the 'these charms get buffed if I didn't spend my last turn fighting' work really well for her.

[spiral cosmos]

sorcerous martial arts run into the issue that you can make kung fu out of being bronze or using a blood lash but you can't really make kung fu out of summoning a gigantic kaiju magma kraken. unless you make the kraken do kung fu. but at that point you're letting it do the kung fu for u

[wise ocean]

MA that has all your weapons
storm bolter
power fist
thunder hammer
storm shield

[buoyant summit]

So it works for firewands, goremauls, smashfists, and thunderbolt shields?

[marsh garden]

yeah, it def fits things like Lightning Spider or (relevant to me) Field of Fell Dreams tho

which is super helpful

[buoyant summit]

That's kinda a funnily eclectic mix

[wise ocean]

nah, reflavoring

[tulip folio]

Makes sense, attack spells have the issue that you need to charge them up generally so you'd have to design it around a martial art you only make an attack with once every few turns. With Guillotine sidestepping that by going 'the effect of the marital art is that it's a Real Weapon'.

[marsh garden]

"turn this C1 combat spell into a Whole Thing that you can stick with forever"

[coral wraith]

yeah i think there's a good chunk of spells that support a ScMA

[marsh garden]

i am a big fan

[wise ocean]

but "MA that lets you reflexively juggle between a metric ton of weapons, including ranged, melee, and shields" is great for doing the Space Marine Flow of Combat™

[prisma sun]

Now the real fuck

Sidereal Sorcererous Martial Art

[spiral cosmos]

cpov is uhhhhhhhh. all the weapons that you can basically imagine fitting under the house of battles constellation

[coral wraith]

stormwinder rider i did it by you absorbing the nimbus into yourself as the form, and you gaining all the benefits of it

[tulip folio]

We should have a Wood Dragon sorcerous martial art but not wood dragon. You can't use wood dragon with wood dragon. (This is 100% a joke)

[coral wraith]

you kinda become a DBZ character

[spiral cosmos]

if it's like a spear, like a gauntlet, like a bow, or a shield you can use it

[wise ocean]

perfect. I'll take 5

[marsh garden]

ooooooh

[tulip folio]

Makes sense. Getting an Actual Bow Martial Art will make a lot of people happy.

[spiral cosmos]

the division style weapons are all just kind of straightforward

[buoyant summit]

but not swords? (this is a genuine question I am not trying to be pissy)

[spiral cosmos]

no swords

[buoyant summit]

or

Right

VBoS

[spiral cosmos]

the sword is in the house of endings

[tulip folio]

Endings gets all the swo...yah

[spiral cosmos]

the spear, the quiver, the gauntlet, the shield, the banner

house of battles

[tulip folio]

I do wonder with the banner theming if it will have much ally support/working with others but that's just vague ponderings.

[wise ocean]

there are surprisingly multiple banner artifacts, iirc

I know there's at least one deeb banner

[marsh garden]

there're two deeb banners kind of

there's the wood spear that's also a banner

in arms

and then the actual banner

[tulip folio]

Yeah, I used that deeb banner as the basis for doing up the Balorian Crusade Banner.

As it's base effect is just Really Solid Bannering

[spiral cosmos]

not really

cpov is weird because it's a martial art themed around the idea of 'battles' as evinced by mars

[prisma sun]

From the

[spiral cosmos]

as in, strife, conflict per se

etc

[prisma sun]

Pov

Of mars

You could say

So you can see her pov

[spiral cosmos]

you could say

[tulip folio]

nods
Much like how there's a lot of 'things you could do with a sword' but VBoS is "WOUND PENALTIES ARE MOVING TOWARDS ENDINGS, MORE ENDING!"

[spiral cosmos]

all the division styles are weird because they have to somehow turn the ideas of their associate thing into a martial art

[coral wraith]

i am very curious how forbidding manse of ivy style is gonna go

[spiral cosmos]

weirdly

it's the weirdo of the weirdos

[tulip folio]

I don't know much about the secrets one but I imagine it's got at least one thrown or ranged weapon in it as having a thrown or ranged weapon makes it compatable with Unweaving Style, which is in-caste for Secrets.

[prisma sun]

Fuck someone remind me tomorrow to actually doodle up the five fingers of the maidens

[coral wraith]

yippee!

i love weird

[prisma sun]

I need to stop putting this off lol

[limpid badge]

okay now i have to go make Battlesid Cowboy Butch, Lunar Grapplemonster, A Small Wyld Hunt Party, and Abyssal Throw-ssassin

then i have all my round 2 fights ready

[spiral cosmos]

i will say two things about it, which are that it rewards studying your opponent to understand them and weaponizes that understanding of your opponent, and that the capstone is a contender for one of the weirder MA capstones in the game. it is called Elided Art: Swing Wide The Wreathed Gates

[limpid badge]

running a fighting tournament is making me make characters aaaaaaaah

[coral wraith]

ohoho.

[tulip folio]

Yess, weird MA capstones!

[dense verge]

detective style...

[coral wraith]

i am stoked

[dense verge]

ok that would indeed fit my green sid

[spiral cosmos]

smug anime asshole analyzing your fighting style and lecturing you about it mid-combat

[coral wraith]

god i need it

[tulip folio]

Ultimate counter to Secrets Sid

[prisma sun]

Oh so Anys definitely has it

[spiral cosmos]

i tend to assume anys syn knows and has mastered every single non-sma non-sorcerous martial art MA in the setting, unless there's a compelling reason for her to not have done so

[prisma sun]

Its a fair assumption

[wise ocean]

crane ivy synergy...

[tulip folio]

Imagine being a master of a style and finding out that Anys Syn didn't bother to learn your martial art.

I'd be crushed

[bleak hazel]

Despite my love for Crane Rival is not pulling that off, his Read Intentions pool is paddling depth only

[prisma sun]

I need to commission someone to draw Anys Syn doing this

[coral wraith]

forbidding manse is GM coded, which is not at all surprising

[tulip folio]

Also: Reading Marriagetoxin is making my view of Sids, which was already pretty 'those weirdos' increasingly 'Weirdos doing super esoteric martial arts to mostly still have entirely mundane life issues'.

[limpid badge]

realizing we reallly have set telek up for the hard mode tournament bc wow vasya gets to fight a heroic mortal with.... uuuuh... good sword pool

anguish got to beat the shit out of a raksha, monsoon got to bully a liminal. telek? here's the solar.

[bleak hazel]

He would not have it any other way but he has too much survivors guilt to be smug about it

[spiral cosmos]

tournaments r great

[prisma sun]

Okay legit I must sleep

Good to meet u borb

[bleak hazel]

Telek is really quite bad at being a domineering cultivator for a Dynast, the Solar he's about to fight was so cheerful when they first met that he forgot to sneer

A few Cosmic Transcendences of Virtue should sort that right out

[tulip folio]

I've only been in one exalted tourney arc and my PC at the time didn't actually fight in it. Soaring Dream, the Worst Solar, wouldn't ever bloody her hands with conflict. She did however get her grubby solar fingers in the minds of a lot of the fighters in between matches. XD

[dense verge]

anys syn moving like solomon david

[bleak hazel]

I can only choose to believe that means she's incredibly shredded

We know Chejop is, so it would be in theme

and Rakan for that matter

[limpid badge]

the fishman was so nice he forgot to be racist and just went "okay fellow cultivator lets have a good match", what the fuck is wrong with him. obliterate that humanity faster

[dense verge]

im picturing the white chain and solomon david duel where he just pulls out whatever martial art is being used against him

[limpid badge]

i kind of told people to Show Up to Fight and offered the title of STRONGEST OF THE SOUTHWEST as their prize which is a good prize if you're exalted

[prisma sun]

Would you even sign up if you weren't

[tulip folio]

I mean, some X-blooded might join up

[bleak hazel]

Telek is deliberately not fighting to win the whole thing, which he tells himself is so he can discover the edges of the gaping flaws that he knows he must have but realistically is because he's scared shitless of the rest of House Tepet finding out he's an anathema traitor and his ex being mad at him

He needs to be 30% more adorjan before he gets over any of that

[limpid badge]

i got a heroic mortal lintha signing up mostly so i can ||ruin his life enough to give him an infernal exaltation|| flower war spoiler hehehe :3c

[dense verge]

||that's the solar exaltation for cool people, he's winning||

[light olive]

Hmm. Invulnerable Sword Princess as a Third Circle Demon (of Qaf)

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-baki-funny-skyler-white-gif-9582595926586462975

[spiral cosmos]

powerful third circle demon

[bleak hazel]

I could use more qaf demons, that does sound interesting

[tulip folio]

I fully believe that Ayn Syn can do Any Baki Nonsense needed for a fight.

[bleak hazel]

There's got to be an SMA that gives you the physique of a Kengan Asura character somewhere, possibly as a step towards giving you the physique of Tetsuo Akira

[tulip folio]

...I think I might have written it when I did that Isidoros-based martial art.

Mana-Shattering Thews
Cost: —; Mins: Martial Arts 5, Essence 3
Type: Permanent
Keywords: Terrestrial, Mastery
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Sky-Twisting Boar Form
The martial artist is no more halted by the work of sorcerers than she is by soldiers or architects. With the bioccultic tensions of each muscle cord, they shatter spellcraft and tear open gates long sealed.

The Martial Artist can use Countermagic with (Stamina + Presence). For this purpose, the martial artist is considered to have Celestial Circle Sorcery and knowledge of all spells. If she is in Sky-Twisting Boar form, she gains an automatic success on such actions.

Terrestrial: The Martial Artist is considered to have Terrestrial Circle Sorcery for this purpose.
Mastery: At Essence 5, the Martial Artist is considered to have Solar Circle Sorcery for this purpose.

I do fully believe that a Baki Character would work out the Right Way To Flex Muscles to break a spell.

How you can tell if someone's an Infernal:

[wise ocean]

this is just what happens the second you take int/wits 5

[tulip folio]

Hmm...what level of contact/mentor/ally would a second circle demon be?

[coral wraith]

Infernals has this already boss, at least for allies/mentor

2CDs are 5 dot allies and 2 dot mentors

[tulip folio]

Ah, nice.

Adds a 2 dot mentor to my Sidereal

I'm sure her bosses will be fine with my sid hanging out with a second circle demon that lists 'running about Yu Shan smashing things with a hammer' in her interests.

Minor Principle: “The Exalted are class traitors.” 

This demon is terminally revolutionbrained.

[merry arch]

buhhh. yes. hi. my red revel wielder that is just the fucking soggiest.

[coral wraith]

sogged beyond belief really

[tulip folio]

Does this read okay for Drakes as 'Okay, they're assholes but they're not always shoot on sight assholes'?

There are many stories of dragons, of their glory and their majesty. However, the excesses of the Princes of the Earth give birth to other tales too; Their rapacious hunger for treasures, their preening pride in their scales and their vitriolic hate. It is from these tales of Dragons that Drakes emerge.

Long serpentine creatures, Drakes are far from animals. Within their eyes burns a fierce cunning and a mastery of the art of poison. Their forked tongues can poison minds and deadly liquid drips from their fangs. Yet there is a beauty reflected in their scales, a hint of something grander they can be. The same poisons that can tear apart relationships and scar flesh can eat away at disease or curses alike and their mastery of deception makes them deadly foes against those who would try to deceive those they value.

Drakes can be found hidden throughout much of creation, often in places terrorized in the past by Elemental Dragons and Princes of the Earth. They collect treasures and agents who can act on their behalf, building up little domains they call their own. For all their claims to glory, many of them are mercenary beings who will happily trade their services as courtiers or doctors for glittering gems.

The issue with being 'this is good at backstabbing' is you need to give enough 'okay but what if they're not backstabbing you this time?' to make people get in proper stabbing of backs range.

[tulip folio]

One thing I like when working on non-demons: You don't need to budget for 'Oh yeah, this guy will have the ability to just buy extra turns'

So you can give beefier/more charms without worry about 'but what about Principle of Motion letting them take two turns in a row?'

[coral wraith]

principle of motion is just mean

[tulip folio]

Lets me give the Drake some asshole charms like 'Hey, my inflict poison charm works on my bite or if I weaken one of your intimacies'

As it can literally poison you if it poisons your mind.

The next fey after this will be kelpies because I plan to be a dickhead with them.

Stagnant Water Breath: A character in Close range of a Kelpie can breath water as easily as air, if the Kelpie allows them. Such characters must make a difficulty 4 Diagnosis roll as a miscellaneous action to determine if they are currently breathing and how much longer they can hold their breath if they are not.

(Most of their mechanics won't involve drowning as those rules are not good but if you trusted the horse famous for drowning people to not drown you, you kinda deserve that one)

Also updated the Redcap's 'Oh, this thing is fucking terrifying' trait.

Razor-Sharp Teeth: The Redcap applies double 9s on rolls to destroy something with its bite or to inflict terror with physical violence. This does not apply to attacks but is increased to double 8s if the target is small enough to fit in its mouth (Up to the size of a deer if it unhinges its jaw). 

[merry arch]

many people are saying this

[coral wraith]

[tulip folio]

I ended up Doing Math on this and reworking the numbers to make it scale better.

Local Terrestrial God (Essence 2) put a Trivial Curse on you (You're Impotent or something):

With Average Successes, Cured in 3 rolls. Averaging 2.4 aggravated health levels. If you make that god Celestial (Essence 5) then you're looking at 3.2 health levels. That's 'Oh yeah, it'll suck but I'll likely live'.

Local Terrestrial God (Essence 2) put a Major Curse on you (My arms don't work). Will take twice as many successes but due to averages that's 6 rolls, which for a mortal means he's looking at 4.8 health levels. That's getting a Bit Risky but is on average safe. Moving that up a celestial god pushes it to 8 rolls and 6.4 health levels. Now you're *really* playing with fire.

Oh but these gods are Real Assholes and they turn you into a Frog, a Life-Altering Curse. For the Terrestrial God? 7.1 Health Levels. You're likely gunna die but you might beat the odds. Got turned into a frog by a *Celestial* god? 8 health levels. You're gunna need the devil's own luck for that one if you're not an exalt.

If you get Duck Punched by an E5 Sidereal? 13.6 health levels to cure. Even Exalts with Ox-Bodies available are staring at that one and going 'Oh, that's a lot of health levels'.

[fierce star]

Math!

that math does seem to math

[tulip folio]

I wanted to make it 'painful but still tempting'

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r6H0gbWBQ9smQ_rCzPBY4B5nC5ZAMiUEv7_ONdUswQA/edit?usp=sharing

Two Fae! Ah Ah Ah!

[fierce star]

nice

[tulip folio]

Any sorts of fae people would particularly likes to see? Working more on the 'beast' end than the 'raksha' end.

[fierce star]

maybe some sort of fae hound? Something like the hunting hound equivalent to a unicorn's steed, story-wise?

[tulip folio]

That could be fun! Maybe give it anti-stealth tech?

I was pondering a Kelpie as an alternate mount.

Also because I've been rewatching ducktales

But yeah, a 3 dot worthy hunting hound could be fun.

...vague pondering: It's okay generally but it brings Anti-Stealth and Anti-Dematerialized tech. So if a demon or god tries to go 'I'll just go to the spirit realm and they won't be able to stop me', they end up with bite marks on their backside when they arrive.

[fierce star]

oooh

i like that

[tulip folio]

Otherworldly Pursuit (5m; Reflexive; Essence 2): The Cu Sidhe may reflexively Rush a character attempting to leave short range of the Cu Sidhe, adding 2 automatic successes. This can contest magic that would leave a scene, establish stealth or cause a character to become dematerialized (such as Avoidance or Travel Without Distance) negating that magic if the Cu Side successfully Rushes that character.

[fierce star]

nice

[tulip folio]

The Kelpie idea involved:

Stagnant Water Breath: A character in Close range of a Kelpie can breath water as easily as air, if the Kelpie allows them. Such characters must make a difficulty 4 Diagnosis roll as a miscellaneous action to determine if they are currently breathing and how much longer they can hold their breath if they are not.

[fierce star]

pffft

neve rtrust a kelpie tbh

[tulip folio]

I wouldn't make them all drowning because the mechanics are not super fun but if you go in the water with the drowny horse, you kinda deserve that one.

[fierce star]

yes

[velvet raft]

Mortalgame was a little slow yesterday but at least I got to do a little speechification

[tulip folio]

Yay speechification

Pity Epochines are already 'cat head on snake body'

Or I'd totally make a fae that pretends to be gods and make it look like classic depictions of the demiurge.

https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1400/1*z_8fZ2RkCPlzchO7GOioFw.jpeg

[velvet raft]

Question

Why do charms have clauses like the highlighted one, if a movement action is just another type of action and you only get one action a round by default?

Have I misunderstood something re: that?

[tulip folio]

I believe it means it counts as her free movement action.

As you get a reflexive move each turn

[velvet raft]

Wait you do

I swear I've read through that passage like nine times trying to find something saying that happens

[tulip folio]

Reflexive but only on-turn

[velvet raft]

Apparently I'm an idiot

[fierce star]

no, the core book is just bad

[tulip folio]

Makes a note if I ever stat up a third circle template fae and make Fae Demiurge

An evil lord among the fae that's learned a secret to make people exalting around it much less likely.

[fierce star]

Love me a good Demiurge

[tulip folio]

Set him up as the ruler of a fae realm where humans are happy, not preyed upon...and never become more than they were meant to be.

[fierce star]

designed to be weak, helpless, and full of prayer

[tulip folio]

The asshole has set up a fae version of the Jade Prison that only works across his Wyld Realm but is still enough to keep the mortals helpless and dependent upon him.

But for now: Focusing more on First and Second Circle Equivelents.

The firsts being 'Wyld Beasts/Commoners' and the second being 'Raksha Nobles'

...actually, I could do up each of the commoner castes as a first circle very naturally. Cup, Sword, Staff, Ring etc.

Name them like 'X-Bearer'

So Swordbearer, Cupbearer etc

[fierce star]

ooh

[fierce star]

Hrmghl. I like this artifact i'm working on for my infernal, but

I have a start point, and an end point idea, and then basically nothing in between.

[tulip folio]

oh?

[fierce star]

yeah. though I don't think I have the most up to date version on thi scomputer, let me...

Elpis, Malfean Bronze Harness (Artifact ****)
Malfeas does many things. One of the things he does is hate. The Elpisi were a species of first-circle demons of Cytherea. They were in many ways counterparts to Mafleas' own Metody; elemental creatures embodying a physical substance. What that substance is is no longer known; Malfeas and She Who Lives In Her Name put forth a pogrom of them, binding the vile demons in skeletal harnesses made of Malfean bronze and imbued with Vitriol. Most of these harnesses have been destroyed over the years, but some remain; they inflict great injury onto their wearers, but enhance their mental abilities, attaching to their wearers with long, spined needles of over-ordered bronze. Some, it is whispered, still have some of that secret material hidden deep inside them, waiting to be unleashed on the world again.

Attunement: 4m
Rules: So long as the bearer remains attuned to this artifact, they cannot have any pre-existing crippling injuries healed by any means, but they gain +[1/2 essence] non-charm successes on rolls to resist Shaping (Body) effects as long as they are wearing it. Removing this artifact increases the exalt's wound penalty by 1 for the next scene.

Evocations of Elpis focus on Malfeas' paranoia, SWLIHN's need for order, and, as it progresses, towards unleashing that most secret and horrible element held so dear by Cytherea--Hope.

Evocations:
The Hand That Holds The Box Sealed
Cost: NA; Mins: Essence 1
Type: Permanent
Keywords: Perilous
Duration: Permanent (See Rules)
Prerequisite Charms: mind hand manipulation
The wearer's Mind Hand Manipulation charm becomes Indefinite, however it turns off if the user is Crashed, requiring them to reactivate it to gain the benefits again.
Resonant: Resonant wearers unlock this evocation for free upon attuning to Elpis.

Unleashing The Horrid Truth: Hope
Cost: 10m, 1wp, 2ahl; Mins: essence 4
Type: Simple
Keywords: Psyche
Duration: Permanent
Prerequiste Evocations: ????
Effect: Invert hopeless ties/principles into ties/princples of hope. Needs rules text.```

[tulip folio]

...anyone have that spreadsheet that lists all the martial arts and their usable weapons?

[marsh garden]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AIHHWH0jb9qLGgKz5Y1NxDlgF7ax8Y9mezR1vEL7ebc/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[fierce star]

damn topple quicker on the draw than me

[marsh garden]

had to walk out of the kitchen to get to my pc

[spiral cosmos]

da holy text

[marsh garden]

it's so useful

[spiral cosmos]

it is the most useful spreadsheet I have literally never used

bc I just memorized it all

no normal person should ever have to

[marsh garden]

fucking how

what a magical individual

i can barely remember the shape and suggestion of things, and then always have to go look up what i know Is There but cannot know

[wise ocean]

all you need in life is EB+VBOS. all is secure under the vault of heaven

[marsh garden]

lol

wake me up when there's a hammer (or flail, thank you osiris you are very cool) + sickle martial art

[spiral cosmos]

we have a sickle + scythe martial art

dual wield that shit like edgy lady maria

[marsh garden]

oh, which one uses sickles?

[wise ocean]

hungry ghost

[spiral cosmos]

several use sickles

crimson killing field, which isn't out yet, lets you use a 2h scythe one handed at the same time as a sickle

[marsh garden]

OOOH

[tulip folio]

Hunrgy Caterpillar Ghost

[spiral cosmos]

i think mantis uses sickles

[tulip folio]

Hahahah. I was just talking with the GM for RiRi about some tinkering to make some stuff line up with an artifact scythe.

[marsh garden]

hmmm

[tulip folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167646208202907649/1491825031116755135/image.png?ex=69d919d4&is=69d7c854&hm=acbca0a16f8ab0f87e8be203b175da5003277b1e7354f738bc8cd7498d728630

The image I sent him for 'Thousand Blades with a Beamscythe'

[marsh garden]

does agents of heaven have any MAs that use a kusarigama?

[spiral cosmos]

yes

[marsh garden]

oho

only one we've got rn is emerald gyre, i think, right?

[spiral cosmos]

low key i shouldn't have introduced that weapon in emerald gyre, it should've been in the core book then in wfhw

i was just like god i love kusarigama

[marsh garden]

lmfao

[spiral cosmos]

fuck you mom i'm putting one in

there is nothing compatible

oh No

[marsh garden]

it's a really neat weapon

[tulip folio]

It's such a cook weapon but unfortunately 'linear time' caused it problems

It's one of those weapons I'm very 'Ask a GM if your martial art can use this weapon'

Right next to 'ask the GM if rapiers work with various sword styles that lay out swords individually rather than just saying all swords'

[spiral cosmos]

there are...

two

that use kusarigama in agents

i had to check that because my perfect recall of style weapons has slightly diminished to merely 'signs of c-ptsd' level

[tulip folio]

Obviously very low priority/I doubt it would happen but man I'd love a book to just sorta make a nice little table of 'hey, here are previous martial arts and newer weapons we're matching together because they should have been able to combine but they didn't exist at the right time'.

Sorta like 'Yes, styles that use Needles can also use Hand Needles' stuff

[spiral cosmos]

i wish

[tulip folio]

Yeah it's one of those things I'm kinda fully aware would be both 'taking up a good chunk of page space' and also 'not a major selling point'. XD

[spiral cosmos]

it ain't even really that

[marsh garden]

this is why all books should have secret funtime qr codes that link to tables and rambles that couldn't have fit into the physical text

[spiral cosmos]

the line developer decision was to not do errata for reasons i disagree with and we've just kind of kept the line

although i've stopped working on the game line officially, so it's a little moot, anyway

i just got the last of my shit to get out the door in the abyssals companion/sids companion and then i'm largely just The Borb Of Feedback And Some Ideas

after 6 years

[tulip folio]

Makes sense!

If it helps, everything I've seen from you is a cool thing 😛

Goes back to the Making Fae Homebrew mines, since without a Mainline Fae Exalt, we're unlikely to get anything much Fae any time soon

[spiral cosmos]

that's kind of you to say, thank you. i wish you much gossamer and rune essence from your mines

[tulip folio]

Mostly I've made a Horrible Snake but next on the list is Raksha Commoners. I basicly took a page from what Infernals and Alchemicals did and made myself a 'Wyld Beast' template I can use as a foundation for my work to make it faster.

[marsh garden]

it's not like we got that for elementals either

[tulip folio]

That was some damn good game design they did there.

Yeah. There's a few 'this creature type doesn't align with a particular exalt's primary interests'.

While Gods/Demons/Undead all have an exalt in their corner helping their pagespace totals.

[marsh garden]

we only got one generic ghost with abyssals, as well

it's mostly just demons and machine spirits

and we're waiting on companions

[tulip folio]

I know there's a god template or two coming with sids

I think my challenge with commoners will be squaring a circle

1. Everything in exalted is a person, treat them like types of people
   B) Raksha Commoners are very monofocused/kinda lack a lot of identity outside the single grace they're good at.
   iii) Being quick characters, I need to keep the focus broad enough to discuss them as categories, not individuals.

Which to be fair, I think I can do. Just a bit tricky

Oh Borb for a bit of a funny thing: I have been shorthanding Raksha nobles in the templates in a silly way.

Raksha Duelist
Primary Actions(12 Dice): Swashbuckling, Command, Charm, Feats of Strength
Secondary Actions(8 Dice): Almost Everything
Desperate Actions(4 Dice): Subtlety, Humility, Empathy

Messing with how the primary/secondary/desperate actions work by making the secondary the 'everything else' pool.

And then defining things the Raksha is just ratshit at.

[spiral cosmos]

buckle and swash...

that's fun

[marsh garden]

hm, do we have any codified rules for what A Familiar actually does, and how one would make/acquire a familiar outside of CC?

i can't think of anything

and it's not a purchased merit

[prisma sun]

The only thing we have is that a familiar is anything with a familiar dot rating

[marsh garden]

but it seems that there's a difference between "an animal buddy" and "a familiar"

[prisma sun]

Not really

[marsh garden]

there has to be, because there are charms that specifically allude to training non-familiar animals

[prisma sun]

Yes

But if you want a constant animal buddy that is always around you need a dot of familiar

Vs like

https://tenor.com/view/red-dead-redemption-2-horse-arthur-morgan-rockstar-kick-gif-5952881716887164894

[marsh garden]

but there isn't anything on when a trained animal becomes a familiar, or what you'd do to change that, right?

just

"it happens"

and nothing on how many familiars you can have?

[prisma sun]

Yeah theres no real limit on merit dots

Other than reasonability

[marsh garden]

i'm talking outside of character creation

in CC it's easy

you buy a familiar

[merry arch]

tbh this is a vibes based distinction that would ultimately fall to ST fiat

because core is core

[prisma sun]

Yarp

[buoyant summit]

Also a Familiar can be a very, very wide variety of things as you probably know given I think you've talked about Sid and Infernal familiar tech before

[velvet raft]

Not outside of specific charms, no

[marsh garden]

everyone's got wacky familiar tech, i was just coping that there was a definition of baseline that i was missing

[spiral cosmos]

unfortunately "does the core address this" is usually trilemma between "no", "yes but not where you'd think to look, ever" and "yes but inadequately"

[spiral cosmos]

please observe my pensives

i used to have many more

[velvet raft]

Powerful

[wise ocean]

skurry viewer detected, good taste affirmed

[spiral cosmos]

there is also

my crown jewel

[marsh garden]

wob

[wise ocean]

my prize rare pensive is

[marsh garden]

i have none, i simply respond with the purest faces of despair i can find

other than the wiggle

and sadcowboy here

[merry arch]

i have more confirmation of their circlemates-to-be

• dowager daybreak caste apocalyptic medicine frankenstein dollthing
• lilah's arby aka azimuth princess of hell is a stitched abomination and ligier's favorite pet project potential exalt
• azimuth blind saint of justice who is actively married to and fucking the ebon dragon

[bleak hazel]

I actually spent two straight hours scouring every book for every bit of familiar related rules once to try to figure out if there was anything on how you actually got one in-story and there is nothing

[fierce star]

actively married to the ebon dragon

[bleak hazel]

you can have animals that aren't familiars at least, you are not forced to spend merit dots on generic honse

[merry arch]

vibes based survival rolling shit to befriend and tame a familiar is my gut check

[fierce star]

that ends well for everyone involved all the time

[merry arch]

correct!

[fierce star]

There is no possible way, in fact, that it can end poorly

[marsh garden]

holy based

[merry arch]

we are presently 75% dawnoid by volume

[fierce star]

also I am vaguely reminded of one of my ex2 headcanons that i've pondered transmitting to ex3

[marsh garden]

this is the coolest group i've ever seen, i'm so jealous of y'all

[bleak hazel]

so many azimuths and dusks

the general cast oscillating around all these games is extremely fighty

Crimson Rain is perhaps the single worst guy at throwing hands in the whole lot

[merry arch]

im building reveler to be fairly wide

they'll get their melee explosion charms eventually

[fierce star]

and that is that the Ebon Dragon's biggest like. Attraction to other people, in as much as a yozi can be, is to people of extreme virtue.

he constantly pines for conky, who he also views as his greatest achievemetn and favorite son, not that he'd ever admit it

[wise ocean]

honestly it's probably io for being bad at being fighty

e1 social infernal with a total combat suite of one (1) charm

(unfortunately she also has like soak 23 so)

[merry arch]

anyways there is one more potential player just gotta see who grabs the spot

[bleak hazel]

io is not in the particular shared world that has 5000 infernals and dusks in it, though

oh wait that's Briar game, so I need to put Crimson in there

[wise ocean]

ah, fair, thought you were including the server in the shared world estimate

[marsh garden]

oh, that was an open game? neat, i assumed it was a locked thing

[bleak hazel]

last slot: Dean Domino cultivation auctioneer

[marsh garden]

hope your last goober is just as fun

[bleak hazel]

Crimson Rain does not care for personal combat, he has people for that

sometimes the people are Thousand Corpse Goliaths but he hasn't got that much XP yet so we're stuck with his troupe of ghostly assassins

Renak and Loveless are such good summons

[wise ocean]

it's kind of funny how all the spycraft spells are in necromancy

observation from a distance? memory filching? ghosts that can disguise themselves as people and who you can see through the eyes of? physical object filching? all there

[marsh garden]

and now bird filching

or wait, that's the object filching

there's also worm powers

[merry arch]

I'm very excited to inflict the horror of other exalts onto the soggiest dusk to ever do it. they're gonna limit break so bad

[marsh garden]

worm + the infernal stoke the fire one together seems v funny

[velvet raft]

Would you still love me if I were a necromantic worm

[prisma sun]

Well you can summon demon spies super easy

[marsh garden]

alas, my own circle is being nice to my soggy dusk

i have to push the horrors myself

[wise ocean]

How are demons at spying? I don't think they get the social camo of Loveless or the "summoner can see through eyes instead of waiting for a debrief" trick

[merry arch]

I don't imagine my circle will be the kindest to mx sword-explosion-but-is-afraid-of-their-own-shadow

[velvet raft]

Blood ape spy

https://tenor.com/dnynY8P1nEi.gif

[fierce star]

god I need more exalted games in my life

[marsh garden]

same

[wise ocean]

real

[velvet raft]

I'm enjoying mortalgame a great deal but I would like to play with charms and stuff

[marsh garden]

heh

[velvet raft]

Mortalgame will get there!

But

[marsh garden]

eventually...

[velvet raft]

(Also I might or might not have to drop from it for work reasons ;_;)

[marsh garden]

oh no

[velvet raft]

Ye

It sucks

[marsh garden]

i hope you don't

[velvet raft]

Me too!

[marsh garden]

it seems like a blast

[velvet raft]

I've got until mid-May at least

[marsh garden]

🙏

[prisma sun]

How many people have you seen buy the "sees dematerialized spirits" charm

[velvet raft]

I get it whenever I can fit it in, personally, but the point is taken

Most people are not exalted

And many exalted do not have the ability

[fierce star]

yeah, schedules are always a pain

working a non-standard schedule makes it suck to get into games; I used to trawl for games all the time before I got into EMS but now, working 24 on/48 off, I basically have to beg the group to either not play one out of every three weeks, or miss one out of every three sessions, and there's only so many people willing to do that.

[velvet raft]

See in my case, I specifically went for a daytime game because I wasn't working and because evenings have become a problem for me

I fall asleep too early and too hard a lot of the time

So the standard 7-10 or 11 game has become a real challenge to do

But now I'm probably going to have a job soon

And odds are good it will be standard M-F 9-to-5

[fierce star]

oof

[velvet raft]

And game is Wednesday at 3:30

[marsh garden]

ow

[velvet raft]

Now there's some discussion of shifting to a weekend, and I've informed the table of all of this but like

Part of what's annoying is I don't have a schedule or start date yet

[marsh garden]

yeah

[fierce star]

yeah, not knowing is the worst bit

[marsh garden]

that's really frustrating, my sympathies

[velvet raft]

It's a well-established temporary employment program with the NYC parks department so it's very likely to start (a) mid-May, and (b) be either 9-5 or 8-4, according to people who have worked it

[fierce star]

🤔 an evocation that lets you make a reflexive clash against a surprise attack? no, no. probably too strong. Hm.

[marsh garden]

not as long as it's a follow-up

[velvet raft]

Might be okay, probably depends on the essence

[marsh garden]

sids have a tree a couple charms long about defending against surprises

[velvet raft]

That one charm from EGOA might be worth looking at

I think every splat has some kind of ambush defense

[fierce star]

yeah I was thinking E2 or 3

[marsh garden]

yeah, but the one i'm thinking of is like

[fierce star]

my basic setup for this artifact is two E1 charms, two E2 charms, two E3 charms and an E4 capstone

[marsh garden]

weirder than the "can defend against ambushes at Defense 2-ish" stuff

[velvet raft]

Oh yeah at E2 or E3 you could definitely make it work

[fierce star]

the themes being based around malfean paranoia and SWLIHN's need for everything to be ordered and categorized, up until you hit the capstone and then it's 'oh right, this artifact is imprisoning a demon of hope'

[marsh garden]

okay not the one i was thinking of, but

this is neat

[velvet raft]

This is of course from an SMA, so bear that in mind re: power level, but like

[bleak hazel]

reflexive clash surprise attack is available at Essence 3 of Swaying Grass Dance as long as you have Mastery

so there's your pricing

[marsh garden]

this is the one i was thinking of

[velvet raft]

Huh, I never noticed that one

Wild stuff

[fierce star]

ooh

excellent, plenty of stuff to look over then

but yeah the Malfean charms I kind of want to be combat focused, while the SWLIHN ones are likely to be MHM-boosters

[velvet raft]

And yeah, Evocations generally get a high-ish power level as charms go

[fierce star]

'Hand-Mind Manipulation: forgo the damage of a decisive attack wtih MHM to instead inflict a temporary intimacy base don damage dealt'

just reach in there and tweak things, you don't need that much grey matter and free will

[velvet raft]

I do love me some Mind-Hand Manipulation

[fierce star]

it is an excellent charm

[velvet raft]

Mind-Hand Manipulation w/infernal brawl seems deeply funny

[fierce star]

hoenstly I probably don't need that much defensive stuff, the character this artifact is for is a resistance-primordial azimuth

[velvet raft]

Oh, yeah, infernal resistance is somewhat stacked

[fierce star]

I have a naked starting soak of like 16 dice.

[marsh garden]

christ

unusual hide's a hell of a drug, huh

or is this the scar charm?

[velvet raft]

por que no los dos

[fierce star]

scar charm

let me open myself real quick

[velvet raft]

It'd be really funny if my mortalgame character became an infernal and I went hard on resistance charms to go with the martial arts

[fierce star]

5 stamina + 2x purchases of scar-writ saga shield (+3) + ISOB Control (+7) is 15... where'd I get that last one from... it wasn't soakrock...

[marsh garden]

god, ISOB is so fucked lmao

[fierce star]

just pop it on in the morning and enjoy the benefits all day

[velvet raft]

I love ISOB for the control effect alone

[fierce star]

at first I was like yeah it's pretty good duration one scene works well for combat and then I re-read it later and was liek

wait

that says one ady

*day

yeah I might be 'only' soak 15 at chargen

[velvet raft]

There's some really nice day-long spells

[fierce star]

soak 8 without ISOB. The character doesn't have soakrock.

... yet.

[velvet raft]

Virtuous Guardian of Flame is day-long, for instance

[fierce star]

the problem of course is that the further I push my soak the closer I get to my GM legally beating me to death with hammers

[marsh garden]

lmao

[velvet raft]

My Green Sunderdome entry's solution to soak was just to snack hilarious amounts of overwhelming and post-soak damage

[fierce star]

she also has by pain reforged and the by agony empowered key for it, so she reduces all wound penalties by, uh.

[wise ocean]

I mean. Fair enough

[fierce star]

(funnily enough by agony empowered is the only thing she's using to take advantage of her supernal at E1)

(infernals just have so many cool low hanging fruits)

[velvet raft]

Unyielding Devil Will also exists!

Even if it's broken as-is >_>

[fierce star]

lol

[bleak hazel]

oh yeah I should start running and writing up the sunderdome fights, I have four entries now

[fierce star]

... you know maybe I could thorw this infernal into that

how much 'fuck your soak' does ligier have...

[marsh garden]

basically none

ligier hits like the fist of god, but has no real soakbusting

[fierce star]

neat

Misc, what were the xp rules again? And did you allow homebrew evocations?

[marsh garden]

you just have to contend with his 15d 22/4 or 14d 24/5 weapons

just RAW content

xp was 300 main 200 splat iirc

[fierce star]

I think I lose due to setup time then

[marsh garden]

no wait

less than that

way less than that

ah, no, more than that, i am an idjit

350 + 280

[bleak hazel]

Ligier not having a way to add many dice of post-soak is a significant weakness of his, yeah

Whelm 5 + double 8s still chunks decently but he struggles against anything that can stack a bunch of post-soak damage reductions like soakbeast lunars or solaroid resistance

[marsh garden]

his tools in the space are pretty good

bc nearly free 10d excellency + double 8s

but once you crack beeg soak and he's down to OVW he starts to flounder

[fierce star]

time to get to work and hope

[marsh garden]

which anyone trying to run him against a scary exalt probably fixes

since he has uh

two artifact 5 or N/As as his weapons

with only like 2 evos each

so there's an easy excuse for soakbusting/ovw spam within either of them if it's necessary

[bleak hazel]

he doesn't need anything genuinely massive

[marsh garden]

but raw it's definitely a huge pain point

[bleak hazel]

he just needs like, Fire And Stones Strike

(at increased cost because spirit charms)

[marsh garden]

give him searing edge attack lol

[bleak hazel]

pff

total life obliteration

[marsh garden]

god, ligier with like three fire dragon charms would be so fucking terrifying

[bleak hazel]

"ligier enters Even Blade Form"

[fierce star]

sol invictus how horrifying

[marsh garden]

lmfao, even blade or white reaper

[fierce star]

hmm I guess if this is purely for Green Sunderdome I don't need to like. Have merits not related to combat.

Unnatural Hide 5 it is!

... does carapace stack wtih ISOB? you have armored soak but aren't actually armored.

[bleak hazel]

you lose the unarmoured control benefit but you still get the ISOB soak and hardness

it adds natural soak for some reason

[velvet raft]

Yeah, I absolutely built my contestant in a way I would not build a real character

[fierce star]

hmm

it's 5 soak either way I suppose, adn I can pick a different control spell

[fierce star]

ah right, I'll need ot input all the infernal charms onto the sheet

[limpid badge]

im looking at crocodile pics and thinking about my infernals Awful Familiar

[prisma sun]

Consider a crocodile that can do the water bellow thing but with the air

https://youtube.com/shorts/EHQENgxYXPM?si=O9lM5VcXvbW071HM

[limpid badge]

Shattering Roar (15m, 1wp, Simple, Instantl, Dual) Dinner for Two emits a bellowing roar that pulps flesh and pulverizes bone, attacking an enemy out to medium range with 9d10. Withering howls have base damage 20. Descisive attacks add extra successes to raw damage and deal Bashin. Reset: 1/fight Unless reset by moving to pursue an enemy after a successful rush.

Good news!!

[prisma sun]

now make it go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWQ34SGBtVU

[marsh garden]

nah, make it go

[prisma sun]

how many charms for an artifact usually?

[marsh garden]

depends on the dot rating

before 5-dots, it's usually like

5 or 6 though

[bleak hazel]

3-dots are pretty consistently 5 evos, but it varies a decent amount

[marsh garden]

scaling up to e3 or e4

[prisma sun]

And for 5 dots?

[marsh garden]

depends a lot more, but often 8-ish?

[bleak hazel]

however many you like basically

[marsh garden]

all of these numbers are to give some custom evo leeway

since artifacts below 5-dot are capped on their maximum evo count

[bleak hazel]

Emerald Sunset is eight

[marsh garden]

Arms has a solid summary

[bleak hazel]

Second Sister, the 4 dot breastplate next to it, is four evos, one of which has a repurchase

so I tend to do basically every homebrew artifact I make with 5 evos and then add more if it needs them to save myself work, but I don't really make 5-dots

[marsh garden]

i've been trying to make 3-dots specifically to clamp down on the evocation count from my first two

[bleak hazel]

Red Revel has 7 evos at 5 dots, Sky Phalanx has four and unlocks one for free at 4 dots, so you can be quite parsimonious

[marsh garden]

sky phalanx has 5, technically

with its rebuy

but one's free

[velvet raft]

Really with a maximum of ten/fifteem/unlimited the answer is frequently “as many as you need for the concept”

[prisma sun]

I need to remind myself

The Five Fingers of the Maidens:
Index is Secrets (loyalty, deception)
Middle is Battle (courage, carnage)
Ring is Serenity (love, hate)
Pinky is Endings (passing, murder)
Thumb is Journeys (freedom, being lost)

[bleak hazel]

I'm working on Rival's swords, my Bluesid's silken armour and Ash's dusk's scythe so I'm just kind of randomly jumping back and forth between drafts as I get ideas

The armour's deal is that at the start of a fight you get to put various restrictions on yourself themed after the old Virtue Flaws and in exchange you get buffs, as it was made to answer a complicated philosophical argument over what virtue a warrior should most embody

[wise ocean]

I can handle evocations for that when we get there™, so don't worry about it overmuch

... come to think of it that's also ended up being a stance switch artifact

[bleak hazel]

so it has many evos because it's really tempting to just keep coming up with more bullshit binding vows

with upgrades for "the whole party vows not to do X today" and eventually "your opponent has to sit down at the table with you and lay out what they want out of this fight so you can negotiate a script" as the capstone

I'm going to have to cut like half of these but it's nice to have way too many ideas for my evo trees for once

[prisma sun]

which Jade would you put to each Maiden

[spiral cosmos]

just their regular elemental associations

think they work well

[bleak hazel]

Each of the Maidens is associated with an element: Mercury with air, Venus with wood, Mars with fire, Jupiter with water, and Saturn with earth.

for quick reference, from the one Sid Craft charm that gives you caste themed elemental affinity

[wise ocean]

I am mildly surprised it's Jupiter/Water Saturn/Earth considering the Waters of Lethe and all

[prisma sun]

yeah but also u gotta get buried to go there

duh.....................

The Five Fingers are a pair of black silk gloves of intricate fabric design, veins of Starmetal running up past the wrist, giving a delicate and formal air. However each knuckle has an inset island of jade, indicating the Maiden associated with that finger. The thumb is set with blue jade flecked with gold orichalcum, representing Mercury, the index with black jade whorled with a sea-like green for Jupiter, the middle a fiery red jade for Mars, the ring a beautiful green jade accented with blue edges for Venus, and the pinky a solemn white and purple for Saturn.

The colors not matching does infuriate me somewhat

but I need a nap before I finish this

[limpid badge]

a white marble veined with lavender?

[spring lynx]

meanwhile in the wuxing jupiter is wood, mercury is water, and venus is metal, so this is all kinds of mixed up!

[marsh garden]

...so

i've been inputting all of the MFS artifacts into the google charsheet

and apparently there's something in the game that grants might 3!

Might 3 grasshoppers.

[wise ocean]

fascinating.

[marsh garden]

this is part of the Thousand-Winged Fiddle's final evocation

which gives uh

a truly ridiculous laundry list of bonuses to bugs

i don't know if there are any mean insects to summon with this

but if there are, jesus christ

spend a turn to hocus pocus up a might 2, elite drill, size 3-4 battle group with a massive pile of bonus numbers

[spiral cosmos]

many-faced strangers is a book of all time

[wise ocean]

probably hornets or wasps or whichever other ones have that hilarious sting attack

[marsh garden]

don't say that about my baby :( it gave me moonreaver

[spiral cosmos]

book of all time is a statement open to interpretation

[marsh garden]

this is fair

i usually see "a [thing] of all time" as "i am too polite to call it one of the worst things"

[marsh garden]

ah yes

extremely normal 14 die 15 damage beestings

[wise ocean]

explode NOW

[spiral cosmos]

i think the fandom basically knows that mfs is one of the more uneven main books

in terms of like

balance

development process from hell

[marsh garden]

that does sound like the story of the edition

[wise ocean]

i'm not going to lie I do like the idea of go my bees! punch like a top-grade melee exalt!

white reaper stylist wading into BEE HELL

[marsh garden]

combine that with this

and their now 7 eva (which would be 8), + Might and drill bonuses

[wise ocean]

yup 🙂

note that that works even if they're not targeting the wasps with said rolls

you can just harass people with BEE HELL

[spiral cosmos]

:') you have no idea

[tulip folio]

On the plus side: I am no longer worried about RiRi's 'make her battle groups better' artifact. XD

[wise ocean]

imagine, all those autocthonian zombies... knowing they'll never be as good as the Silver Pact's Specialest Apiary

[marsh garden]

i will refrain from asking further, but you have my sympathies for uh. the everything

[spiral cosmos]

i mean it's just kind of fractal

[tulip folio]

Ghost-Lit Duty
Cost: —; Mins: Essence 1
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisites: Raise the Skeletal Horde
Under the ghostflame light of Innocent Oblivion, the souls of the righteous dead rise again to defend the same ideals they did in life.

When you Raise the Skeletal Horde, instead of Zombies, you can instead raise Ghouls. Ghouls are treated as Militia, except they are Mindless and Undead. Ghouls raised this way have the self control not to harm people if left unattended.

I still think it's cool ;-;

[marsh garden]

tbf that is e1 vs e3

[spiral cosmos]

there's a million ways in which it's scuffed but at least for my part

get brought on to get a book up to moving on time
look in on the drafts to see what it's like
ohno
ohfuck
ohgod
the overwhelming majority of the book is either mid at best to completely unusable at worst
begin an almost year-long process to recontract or personally rewrite as much of it as possible
what was supposed to be a duo job ends up mine own to do

i did one Big Book running the show and then onyx path wouldn't give me a raise from my poverty exploitation wages so i said bye

[marsh garden]

and a spell instead of a 10m + wp e3 charm that doesn't return it

[marsh garden]

holy shit, i'm sorry to hear that

[tulip folio]

That's fair. You can also raise a Lot More Zombies.

[wise ocean]

yeah, that looks about as dysfunctional as I'd think

[spiral cosmos]

i have love for the creatives but i'm basically just done working on it as an ip

[marsh garden]

reasonable

[fierce star]

Almost everyone I know who freelances for ttrpg companies says just don't

[spiral cosmos]

thats right

fake ass fuckin industry

[fierce star]

One of them had been waiting like eight months on a paycheck from a fairly well known but not immediately recognizable company and I'm just like, damn.

[spiral cosmos]

lmao yeah

that happens all the time honestly

[tulip folio]

Yeah, when I worked on Liminal Space I got all the horror stories of working with two guys who'd done Pathfinder freelancing.

[dense verge]

sorry boss, best i can do is mid-to-below-average human

[tulip folio]

And the D&D/pathfinder ecosystem is a god damn horrorshow to freelance in from their experience.

[wise ocean]

fuck. okay, we're going to get all the bees into a gunzosha armor.

animated armor (hornets)

[spiral cosmos]

i have heard that paizo used to be quite bad, and sometimes still can be, but on the whole is just very corporate and professional (from knowing people who worked with them in 2016 versus now)

the ecosystem around the game more broadly, different story

[tulip folio]

Yeah, these guys have been in the industry for a good while. They used to work on 3e stuff for context before pathfinder. XD

That ecosystem is fuelled by 'hey, wouldn't you like to work on Your Favorite Game' and broken dreams.

Finding out what the Lancer Third Party Licence was like was a breath of fresh air after reading the WOTC and Paizo ones.

But I'm rambling

[spiral cosmos]

oh

i see our shared friends

you're talking about jade aren't you

i know his stories too

[tulip folio]

Oh, I am talking about Jade! I did a project with him and Psybomb.

RPGs can be a small world

[spiral cosmos]

Extremely lol

[tulip folio]

They grabbed me after I threw a google doc of math and damage benchmarks I'd made at them for...Starfinder Psionics...iirc? A third party book that kinda got lost in production.

I am a very boring person. XD

[fierce star]

Someone has to be the math and spreadsheets guy

I wouldn't know, never could be me, ignore my history in Eve online

[marsh garden]

numbers fuckstein is a valuable role in every game design space

[spiral cosmos]

its true

[wise ocean]

I was under the impression it was normal to look at probability curves and statistical averages for all your charm combos, excuse me

[tulip folio]

Hahahah

Poor Innocent Ash

A lot of design is 'does this feel right'

[fierce star]

Vibes

[tulip folio]

I once entirely rewrote a weapon not because it was weak but because people said it felt wrong

[marsh garden]

the blood is wrong

[fierce star]

... Inflict yourself with green sun wasting in order to stop a social influence you failed to resist? Is that cooking?

[tulip folio]

Could be interesting but I'd be careful about giving infernals too many 'no stop that social action'.

perfect defences are a very limited resource

[marsh garden]

they already have a couple of those "i hard reject x social influence" charms, yeah?

[prisma sun]

i didn't actually fuckin nap kill me

ohhggghhhhhhhh

[fierce star]

I'm away from books so can't check

[tulip folio]

Most Celestial+ have at least one, yeah

[tulip folio]

iirc, Infernals have a couple.

including the generic solariod 'I reject this, it resets if I get to be smug about being right to reject this'

[wise ocean]

🔨

[tulip folio]

I hope it's not a problem to ask borb but did you do any work on Alchemicals? Just pondering since they're my Favorite Exalt. XD

[marsh garden]

i think that's one of a small list where the infernal is actually closer to solars than the abyssal is

pondering...

[fierce star]

As mentioned away from books, does mhm have a way to get weapon tags? I don't think it does not

*but

[marsh garden]

no, it just wields weapons

[tulip folio]

It doesn't but if you're looking for evocations for your artifact that wouldn't be unreasonable.

'I'm going full Elfen Lied so my MHM have Flexible and Reaching' etc.

[fierce star]

Excellent, I can do that with my swlihn e2 evocation

[coral wraith]

You can make a Chain or Beam weapon if you wanna add tags

[prisma sun]

Well Beam is more difficult

as it's an entire charm, not a weapon tag

[marsh garden]

chain is also an entire charm

[coral wraith]

As is chain

[marsh garden]

that charm just

also gives chopping

[coral wraith]

It's always the intro charm though

[prisma sun]

Oh lmao

silliness

[marsh garden]

it's their paired gimmick

attune bonus is always Essence Core Ignition/Industrial Violence Engine

[coral wraith]

Industrial Violence Engine is a beautiful name

[marsh garden]

the latter of which gives chopping, or gives chopping weapons a bonus to their chopping attacks

[fierce star]

Chainsaw telekinesis...

[spiral cosmos]

yes

most of the world layout two nations a martial art and a chunk of charms

[tulip folio]

Yay! I love it! It resulted in my friend @tranquil badge going 'Okay, I've not run games in years but I'm starting to run an alchemicals game'.

[spiral cosmos]

nice

love Autochthonia a lot

[coral wraith]

I could say something right now Iki but I'll refrain

[tulip folio]

Oh? 😛

[coral wraith]

of course the autistic guy who works with numbers loves the robot exalt

:P

[fierce star]

Hey, let's be fair, he also loves the bureaucracy exalts

[tulip folio]

I'd be angry about that depiction but my clarity is too high for that XD

[coral wraith]

LOL

im sorry it's just very endearing

[tulip folio]

I am also being very tempted to commission More RiRi Art. I might have a problem.

[coral wraith]

RiRi sweep tbh

[fierce star]

A problem and deeper pockets than me

Might as well post responder for the bonus riri lol

[wise ocean]

I am being tempted to try actually seeking out more exalted games for Graves Activity

I have already gotten the art 😔

[marsh garden]

oho?

[wise ocean]

soon.

(I'm just waiting for the final Final Final version at this point)

[coral wraith]

I feel that

I have a new abyssal I would quite like to drag out

[marsh garden]

Copy of final final (Final) (1)

i understand intimately

[wise ocean]

part of my problem is (a) where does one Find exalted games and (b) where in my schedule do I even fit Another TTRPG

[fierce star]

B: weekend morning, assuming you're on a normal person work schedule

[wise ocean]

I could possibly swing a Sunday morning for a double TTRPG day, eating dinner in between, but Saturday morning is farmer's market

[coral wraith]

indeed

Always the issue

[spiral cosmos]

love the art

[tulip folio]

Megaman X/Zero Reploids is eternally locked in my brain as 'Alchemical Vibes'

[spiral cosmos]

Autochthonia is one of those settings where I wrote like 15000+ words of setting material and felt like I could have done just as much again, honestly, I love it more than almost anything in the IP

just the right mix of science fantasy modality and talking about modernity and ideology in a weird way

[marsh garden]

the physical bizarreness of the place is also super captivating

[coral wraith]

Yeah the physicality of Autocthton is very charming

[tulip folio]

I like Autocthonia in that...it's hard to express but a lot of science fantasy (See: Exalted 2e first age stuff) was often 'just making modern tech with mana'.

But for Autocthonia you've got stuff like Internal Shrines Against Disease

Where it's not doing the tech with magic. It's doing tech and magic together.

[spiral cosmos]

most of what I wrote about the world more broadly was actually just curating the words ppl did of the past 2 editions, bringing it together and maybe tweaking it, and i wish more of the fandom appreciated that it was honestly always this cool

the credit goes to those past authors

albeit some parts of it were not so great but that was more the social worldbuilding than not

[tulip folio]

I'm glad that everyone's favorite(?) fascist Lux is still just as much a shithead as ever. XD

[spiral cosmos]

lmao yeah

[tulip folio]

Lux: "What if we had a philosophy about how a group of things together are strong and how we're a cool revanchist military nation. What would you call that in say, Italian?"

I'm still proud of the Estacian artifact mount I made for my own amusement.

Unending Cycle of Violence (••••)
Soulsteel Treaded Monocycle

[spiral cosmos]

i would say the Unity is fascistic or has fascist tendencies without inherently being fascist as an ideology, in that a lot is open to interpretation and there's really an emphasis on solidarity in it that's really complicating. but estasia is decently fascist as a country

[tulip folio]

Oh yeah, I'm being a bit shorthandy. It's certainly militaristic, revanchist and has a strong cult of death element but it's complicated to put a precise label on.

[prisma sun]

legally contracual Maiden poem

Who lived in a place without there and a time without when

So she became they, and they became happy

But still they were one, and still were they lonely. 

So they sought that which was different, and doomed us all.```

[tulip folio]

I do like in other nations how the glot trade also seems to be More Under Control. 2e sorta went 'This nation accidently capitalismed and now they're going full Galt's Gulch'

While 3e has toned that down a bit and gone 'yeah, it's a thing that's going on but it's not the only big thing going on'

[marsh garden]

what's this?

new style cooking?

[prisma sun]

It's for the smash fists that Drifts uses

[marsh garden]

ah sick

[spiral cosmos]

almost like it was written to be a little weird by the author,,,

[tulip folio]

But it's also fun to describe Lux as 'A city that wears jackboots' 😛

[spiral cosmos]

it's pretty accurate ngl

Generalissimo Reza Urbanism Shah

[marsh garden]

planning out the post-e1 build for my lunar (in part because i want to actually build an e5 for ligierdome), are there any spells or other bullshit that apply a generalized darkness penalty?

[tulip folio]

EF's put a Big Corruption in the city RiRi's part of. There is...a Secret Resort!

[marsh garden]

i haven't taken this yet because his circle has uh

not been stealthy

or given a shit about bedtime

[spiral cosmos]

take it and sacred hunt a little mole. go molemoding

[marsh garden]

lmao

i can't, he's a martial artist

[spiral cosmos]

molemode onto the battlefield ! it is for the transit

[marsh garden]

well. he's a wizard, but he's going into flying guillotine very shortly

[tulip folio]

The White Petal District

A marvel unlike anything else in Autochthon, The White Petal District is a simulacrum of a world forgotten save for distant dreams and ancient tomes. A blue painted ceiling serves as a sky while white steam clouds complete the effect, a warm sun-lamp shining down on the impossibly perfect city below.

Built across a large chamber beneath the chasm, two massive pools of water frame it at either side with a winding waterway running between them, crossed by many bridges and filling pools and fountains along the way. Both reservoir-seas have shores of pure white sand, one pool consisting of cool water that descends from above, another kept pleasantly warm by the thermal pits that fuel the superheated steam driving the city above.

Along the river and the shining shores are buildings beyond the imagination of the Populat far above. Palaces and cathedrals of pure white and pitch black, vast statue gardens and ornamental forests of metal trees. The Tripartite who frequent this place go around in light clothing to survive the sweltering heat, attended by a population of pampered servants who know nothing of the world beyond The White Petal District.

The White Petal District is an ostentatious excess that astonishes all those who see it, with almost nobody beyond the Tripartite and few from outside the city ever given the privilege. A select group of friendly foreign ambassadors have been invited in, when it is believed that they will come to understand the situation much as Vos-Ulos’s tripartite do.

The Dark Secret of the city RiRi is part of.

The Secret Tripartite Dacha.

[marsh garden]

and i've been stalling on doing anything with the evos until i get access to its e2 charm

[spiral cosmos]

what nation is that in?

[tulip folio]

It's a minor independent city!

[coral wraith]

Exalts need a little sleepy

To train

[prisma sun]

guh i will finish this tomorrow

[tulip folio]

Vos-Ulos is an independent Metropolis located in the Reaches, far from the Octet nations. The black rain, a mix of steam and ash, that falls from above leaves them rich in food and water. Unfortunately, their land is poor in veins and conduits, leaving them with few mineral resources, and the Colossi’s heart that powers their city struggles to provide the Essence they require.

They have Weird Resources for Autocthonia because they're near Industrial Organs of Steam and Ash.

[prisma sun]

I got the fluff decently done, charms need to be completely seperate

[tulip folio]

The troops from there have big backpack steam guns (Functionally flamepieces but with their own vibe)

[spiral cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/jin-roh-robot-creepy-gif-12714379

[prisma sun]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mYq8A1gGjWFA1lnjX5uuq7MJymj_JAs_cz-F8UqjHRE/edit?usp=sharing

[tulip folio]

The Metropolis itself is dead, though its heart still provides power.

The Viator of Nullspace got it

[prisma sun]

The idea of the charmlist is going to be that each Maiden gets a charm with both a Positive and Negative aspect to it

[tulip folio]

The premise is basicly 'this small independent city has been saving up their limited magical material for decades to finally have enough for a PC group of champions'

[prisma sun]

So for instance the Journeys charm will allow one to speed up or slow down a Things journey, the Secrets one will instill loyalty to hold to a silent oath, or make someone a horrible liar, etc

[tulip folio]

And even then, we're pretty sure they had to cut corners since RiRi comes to a grand total of 150cm. XD

[spiral cosmos]

ten divisions seems like a lot to mechanize

[prisma sun]

and then I am imagining a capstone of something like "Sororal Confluence: Fivepoints Achieve Fate's Decree"

where you clap your hands and hit 'em with the Kung Fu Hustle Buddah Palm or something

[prisma sun]

It probably is so I am wondering if I just scrap that and find another way to just make it a good representation of the Maidens

The main thing is that I want it to be a very versatile MA enabler

[tulip folio]

The Secret Triparate Dacha has an even darker secret: It was made by a Sidereal. The Permanent Undersecretary is a role that's existed as long as the city has...and nobody knows it's always been held by the same guy.

A poor sidereal who was investigating Autocthon when Autocthon grabbed all his followers and left creation and got dragged along for the ride. By this point he's old and tired and just wishes he could go back and see how that glorious exalted age is going. He's sure it's going well.

[spiral cosmos]

best piece of advice i can give you is to figure out one or two specific kinds of things in gamespace an artifact is meant to do then stick to it very strongly

[prisma sun]

Hrmmm

I will mull on this more when I am not exhausted

[tulip folio]

There's sorta 'what is this about thematically' and 'what is this about mechanically' and one can lead to the other but having a good plan for the latter is important.

Like 'This is an artifact about Doing Shaping Effects to Dudes' for Wyldflame etc

There's a lot of things a Fae Gun could do

But it focuses on shaping melting faces

[fierce star]

It has a bunch of weird adaptations to deal with surviving all the bullshit that are uh. Verging on heresy. Like cross trained sodalities.

[spiral cosmos]

this seems like martial arts mixing and maybe fate stuff for sids all blended through the five maidens together. stuff like a charm that cycles through each maiden for a benefit like the DB elements, effects that can activate in an MA form, bonuses to PAOC stuff or like a mote discount for when you blend multiple style charms together etc

ability to tag people with horoscopes in combat

yadda yadda

just food for thought, use it if it helps

[prisma sun]

Make the Mars one that you can reflexively enter the form of any MA you know on the caveat that you gain a Defining Principle that you must defeat this foe even if it kills you for the scene.

[tulip folio]

Hey, RiRi isn't Verging on Heresy. She just outright would go straight in the Heretic Smasher in most other nations. But in her defence: She came out of the vats with that evil charm, she didn't choose it. 😛

[fierce star]

Lmao

And responder had True Love with a dragon blooded, so.... You know. It'll be fun

[spiral cosmos]

yea, stuff like this

ultimately you should just write what you feel would be good at your table

[prisma sun]

Okay wait actually borb you gave me the brain blast

Keyword that procs when you use two or more martial art styles in a single tick

[tulip folio]

Like two charms or do you mean swapping forms?

[prisma sun]

Two or more charms

[spiral cosmos]

gating an effect behind or having an effect benefit that stuff is good for mixing it up yeah

Spring in the Lotus Garden

[prisma sun]

Making it an addendum like Resonant

[tulip folio]

That sounds fun.

[prisma sun]

Harmonious: When the wielder activates charms from two or more seperate martial arts styles in a single turn/tick/idkyet, they become Harmonious until the start of their next turn, gaining benefits while using this artifact.

[tulip folio]

The reason RiRi would go straight in the Heretic Smasher in another city: Her last heroic lifetime died during Erlik and she came out of the vats with the Apostate-Only Necromancy Charm instead of the Alch Sorcery Charm.

She has no clue why beyond the fact she's pretty sure Ku was involved and the GM says he's going to offer her Whispers at some point.

So you know: Only Good Things There

[prisma sun]

I should actually write down the general thematics of the Evocations first

I forgot that was a part of an Artifact's write up

[marsh garden]

it's...inconsistent

i think it's helpful

but neither sids nor abyssals have "this artifact's evos do blah blah" blurbs

[prisma sun]

Arms does and that's good enough for me

[marsh garden]

i think it's straight up just in like...many-faced strangers and some Arms gear

[tulip folio]

...I was writing up a thing about artifact design and realized I'd been writing 'themagics' repeatedly instead of thematics and now the not-word is stuck in my head.

[prisma sun]

Deebs too

And Infernals

[spiral cosmos]

i don't think it's more helpful than other things the wordcount could go to, usually

but you don't have to worry about wordcount limits with homebrew

[marsh garden]

not even most deeb artifacts

[wise ocean]

in general that seems to get transferred into the Glorious Solar Saber-y charms

[marsh garden]

most of em just have their crunch

[wise ocean]

"you can keep this scythe around! its evocations take cues from"

[tulip folio]

My general thoughts is:

-Pick a Mechanical Area *or* a Thematic Area you want to play in.
-Filter that chosen area through the one you didn't pick as a lens to focus it down.

So if you picked out say 'I want to play with Sorcery', you'd then go 'Okay but lets focus it through the idea of Elementalism' and that helps narrow the broad concept into an area workable for an artifact.

If that's remotely coherent?

[prisma sun]

How broken would a "You can be in two forms at once" charm be for a 5 dot

[marsh garden]

uhhh

[spiral cosmos]

do not

do not do it

[prisma sun]

lmao

[marsh garden]

that's PAOC's big thing

[spiral cosmos]

i will beat you with a shoe

[prisma sun]

lmaoooooo

[tulip folio]

That's a notable chunk of one of the most notable SMA's most notable trick

[marsh garden]

so i wouldn't, except as an All MA All The Time artifact's e5 capstone

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/tidus-ffx-final-fantasy-x-final-fantasy-final-fantasy10-gif-21939354

I had forgotten PAOC

[tulip folio]

What I'd instead say is maybe 'Make swapping between two forms easier' rather than being in two at once.

[marsh garden]

oh yeah a ton of artifacts do that one

one in MFS, even, speaking of

[tulip folio]

So like maybe refund some of the form cost if you're already in a form so you're not losing 10 motes each time on mutually exclusive effects.

[marsh garden]

forms already do that

[coral wraith]

Oh hey Borb did you write Threnody Engine?

[prisma sun]

I think yeah, I would rather have reflexive form shifts

[coral wraith]

I love that artifact

[wise ocean]

speaking of maiden scriptures and artifacts

[tulip folio]

...do they? For some reason I didn't think they did.

I'm gunna need to double check that

[prisma sun]

They do

[marsh garden]

i was told that a form's committed motes transfer to another form

[wise ocean]

I have to finish the other half of this 5* eventually

[prisma sun]

You always get a refund

[marsh garden]

and looking up has seemed consistent with that

[prisma sun]

You only pay the difference if there's more

[tulip folio]

Huh, for some reason I'd not known that.

[marsh garden]

so if you go from 10 -> 7 you lose the 3

[wise ocean]

yep, you carry over the motes

[coral wraith]

You don't get a refund per se

[tulip folio]

I guess I just didn't have characters that swap forms much

[marsh garden]

and if you go 7 -> 10 you pay the 3

[coral wraith]

But the motes spent transfer, basically

[marsh garden]

but you're not spending 7 then 10 then 7 then 10

[coral wraith]

Yeh

[tulip folio]

In that case I'd maybe go with 'extra ways to reflexively swap forms' could be fun

So you've got the inbuilt form one and then one from the artifact.

[marsh garden]

Shadow Moth Raiment is an easy one to steal

[tulip folio]

To let you bounce about more

[marsh garden]

if you just want to steal one

...or you could just like

take the shadow moth raiment lmao

[tulip folio]

Stealing is Good. I steal evocations all the time. XD

[marsh garden]

it's a very dippable evocation

i try not to, because i'm trying to learn system mastery from making artifacts

emphasis on trying

[prisma sun]

When a wielder uses charms from two separate Martial Arts styles in a single turn, they become Harmonious for the remainder of the turn. If a martial artist is in a form, that counts as a charm towards Harmonious. 

The Five Fingers count as an applicable form weapon for any martial arts that do not originate from enemies of Fate. ```

[marsh garden]

funnily enough, hungry ghost is probably viable

[coral wraith]

fuck you devil prince

[prisma sun]

Let's find out

[marsh garden]

origin "unclear, but probably randos"

[prisma sun]

"Fuck you Ablicant Sepuchlr you ain't even a real sma"

[spiral cosmos]

nope

didnt do artifacts on that book

[tulip folio]

I'd be a bit careful with 'applicable with multiple styles that are not normally usable together'. That's a very nice boost, especially for unarmed-only styles

That normally need POAC to get artifact statlines

[marsh garden]

ah, yeah, artifact unarmed is pretty pricey aiui

and pretty high-essence

[spiral cosmos]

i'm not sure this is worth a keyword

that tends to be for stuff that's so ubiquitous you'd have it across like an entire charm set

if you think it saves space then go for it tho

[prisma sun]

Artifacts seem to like having their own keywords that show up occassionally and I do enjoy the vibe

[limpid badge]

see im thinking about artifacts for my girlies and im not sure i even wanna do armor-evos for the Battle-Ballgown im thinking about as Medium Artifact

[marsh garden]

they like keywords if they use em a lot

you could just do an attunement and then one e1 evo and call it done

[limpid badge]

its cute when artifacts have a mechanical gimmick <gave one she wrote its own gambit

[tulip folio]

I'm still very pleased with the one I gave the Banner of the Balorian Crusade.

Evocations of the Banner of the Balorian Crusade
Some charms of this artifact refer to 'Champions of Shape'. Champions of Shape are shapers of the Wyld or those with direct connections to the Primordials who imposed the sin of shape upon the Wyld to craft creation. This includes Primordials, Solars, Abyssals, Infernals, Getimians, Alchemicals, Demons and Machine Spirits as well as any character carrying Iron.

[spiral cosmos]

i don't think artifacts do keywords much but they do like their little gimmick mechanics

i've seen that show up as resource notation

oh, to be a little artifact and not have my own bespoke resource

[tulip folio]

Yeah. I did it for the Banner mostly because I wasn't writing 'Solaroids, Alchemicals, Gets, Demons and Machine Spirits' each time a charm cared for it. XD

[spiral cosmos]

although

i might be thinking of this too literally

because you say artifact keyword and i think of something that goes into the Keywords section like decisive-only, resonant

and not like. a bespoke designation

because there are ten million of those

[prisma sun]

Yeah

Like craven intimacies or gore units or shit like that

[tulip folio]

Also: Look at my cute little charm tree. Making visual charm trees for your artifacts is very fun.

[spiral cosmos]

craven intimacies 😒

[prisma sun]

How you gonna have beef with cravens......

[tulip folio]

Craven is like...90% 'fear' and 10% 'stuff that isn't fear'.

I don't hate it but it's mostly 'Intimacies of Fear' in how it's treated/works

[spiral cosmos]

craven just makes me think of Kraven

[coral wraith]

valid!

[prisma sun]

Okay so I think this new direction has given me a better grasp of how to do things and really honing in on MA Enabler into big finish

I think I am keeping "Sororal Confluence: Fivepoints Achieve Fate's Decree" in some respect

[bleak hazel]

Knowing Drifts' build he doesn't seem like he needs a bunch of massively fiddly evos anyway, you already have fifty different martial arts to use in parallel

I'm wondering if I should allow someone to make multiple Virtue vows at once with this armour just to see the incredible spectacle of someone who can't retreat, can't pursue, can't kill and can't do a secret fourth thing because Conviction is tricky, but I suspect the answer is "no"

[wise ocean]

can't admit you're wrong

[prisma sun]

Hey Conky makes it work