Exalted

[dense verge]

like, how it works out in play just from how i approach things is that, i know at a certain point i will have to read. i ask myself "do i want to have to play around this limitation as a conscious choice, or do i pay X xp or bonus points to ignore it", and i pay the resources and never think about linguistics again, and everyone else in the party makes this calculation, and none of us think about linguistics again unless they were already building for it

[chilly sluice]

My point is mostly that I care more about how it impacts characters people actually make than the hypothetical baseline mortal in Creation

[marsh garden]

i also care more about how it impacts characters people make, and it has impacted the characters my party has made in a positive way

so i think this is going to continue to go nowhere

as a fundamental disagreement

[dense verge]

true

[prisma sun]

Ain't it fucked the no pregnancy merit isn't supernatural

People can just do that

[marsh garden]

yeah that's actually something you can just do irl

will the nut back into your body

did you not learn that in high school?

[prisma sun]

Slurp it back in

[dense verge]

yeah thats not even martial arts thats just skill

honestly i think i would like literacy more if it was a merit rather than tied to an ability

[fierce star]

of cdourse it's not martial arts, it's marital arts

actually that's also a good way to put it

if literacy was a one dot merit I'd be like 'eh sure i'll pay the tax'

[marsh garden]

i would be down with making literacy a merit, yeah

[fierce star]

but it's like, all my dudes have basic training in linguistic study? that doesn't make sense

which I guess is a very modern way to look at it

[marsh garden]

yeah it's not basic, it's a dot in The Skill Of Having Learned Language

[dense verge]

Most of my disagreement stems from how 1 dot linguistics positions the ability as the one people take 1 dot in and ignore, where i feel if you invest a dot there youre at least using it in rolls. so a 1 or 2 dot merit would sit better with me if it needs to be

[tulip folio]

Buck-Ogre Chieftain
Those who assume Buck-Ogres are nothing but mindless brutes generally do not live long enough to regret it. No less intelligent than any humans, they are merely lacking a society that can provide them the education that scions of the realm receive. This is no more obvious than among their Chieftains. Buck-Ogre Chieftains are giants both physically and intellectually, bringing both their minds to bear to lead their people and to master the powers of sorcery.

Across the edges of creation, there are small realms of buck-ogres being raised by these giants, weapons of bronze being forged and dreams shaped with fae magic. To help sustain themselves, these small realms often take on roles as mercenaries to more human kingdoms, led by their chieftains to crush opposition and claim the resources needed to carve themselves a home.

Does this read okay for Buck-OGre Chieftains? The intent is that they're well...they're not just '1d6 goblins' random encounter sorta enemies. Like most things in exalted, they're still people.

[fierce star]

Hell yeah

[marsh garden]

orc bois

[dense verge]

ough

[bleak hazel]

mostly because it's very fiddly and I frequently forget it exists

really I should have gone for it on Rival but his dots were all spoken for

also he's kind of an idiot and does not make good use of Investigation or Introduce Fact

[tulip folio]

Buck Ogre Chieftain!

[marsh garden]

jesus, wp7

[fierce star]

ah, right, yeah, I should be invested in lore to make it useful

[marsh garden]

that's a good wizard

[tulip folio]

Base buck ogres are WP5. You can accuse buck ogres of a lot but 'lacking willpower' isn't one of them.

[marsh garden]

damn

i thought they were 3 or 4 lol

stubborn gits

[bleak hazel]

buck ogres are perfectly competent big stompy guys on a normal fantasy scale

it's just that they keep ending up against Dawn McDawn and he is simply not in the same genre

[tulip folio]

It's one of those things that's kinda overlooked with them: They're not stupid. They're big ugly fuckers but they're brave and smart enough to go 'Hey, I should leave before I die' without running screaming.

[fierce star]

I need less merits

I mean. Ebon shadow defensiv estuff is pretty strong.

maybe Id on't need the soak rock.

[bleak hazel]

I'm always in two minds on what to think about Exalted's cast of lesser supernatural bad guys that simply can't play with the dice pools of the big boys

because on one hand they're not super useful in terms of page space per screentime

[tulip folio]

But yeah, overall the chieftain is 'A buck ogre with some leadership charms, spellcasting and a mini-excellency.' It's why I actually made 2/3 of his spells not direct combat spells.

He's got Control Spell Obsidion Butterflies. He's doing fine in terms of combat magic.

[fierce star]

ugh. Honestly my big point soak is taking Dad as an Ally.

[bleak hazel]

but on the other hand it's extremely nice and fluffy and good that the world is populated by all these disparate weirdos who are dealable with by normal mortals and godbloods and whatever, it makes the world feel very rich

[tulip folio]

I hope his leadership charms (Crush Them! and Get Back In There!) are fun.

[bleak hazel]

and also people go 👀 when your random secondary combatant celestial shows up and no diffs a mortal sorceror and his two chump elementals

[marsh garden]

big fan of get back in there, yeah

[bleak hazel]

which can be a lot of fun in a solo or 2p game

[fierce star]

yeah, I like their leadership charms, iki. This fella leading a size 2-3 BG of other buck ogres would fuck

[marsh garden]

definitely a QC that leverages buck-ogres' might 2 very well

which is fitting, since they don't themselves

[fierce star]

I feel like 'old and experienced raksha lord' does probalby qualify for 5 dots in ally. And I want her to get along with her dad still despite changing jobs. Hm.

[marsh garden]

could be a 3-dot mentor

if you don't want to fork over all five dots

[tulip folio]

Could drop the dots for like 'They're useful but their availability can kinda suck'

[fierce star]

yeah, but I have a three dot mentor already for a vaguely defined sidereal sifu who I imagine as being this utterly exasperated traditional Secrets type trying to get this bitch to reign in her base impulses

but like

[marsh garden]

mm

[fierce star]

that's much less core to the concept

if RAW I could have both as mentors I would

yeah let's just take dad as the Mentor

[marsh garden]

i believe availability sucks even on five-dots, and Ally's dot count is purely related to overall power when you can call on em

as opposed to things like Contacts where it can be super juiced in a limited place

or limited way

even at 3 (or 1 if it's stuck to a city)

[bleak hazel]

you could have him mostly stuck in place and take him as Contacts

send letter to dad to see what his boys know about

[fierce star]

contacts 3 (scavenger lands), yeah, I could see that

[bleak hazel]

rather than "I summon Eyepatch Cenarius"

[marsh garden]

fuck you misc

i'm now envisioning this guy as eyepatch cenarius

i didn't need the raksha to be cool

now i need to go cram in raksha contacts on another sheet...

[bleak hazel]

he summons one 2/2 treant with Taunt, he can't see out of the other eye to summon the second one

[fierce star]

hahaha

[prisma sun]

Doesn't this just keep the problem and make it worse?

Since you just made it more expensive

[marsh garden]

no?

one dot of merits is cheaper than one dot of (even favored) ability

if it's two dots it's now more expensive

at 6 vs 5 (4)

[fierce star]

it's also a rules texture thing

at least for me

[marsh garden]

but presumably at two dots it would come with some kind of minor bonus to linguistics rolls

[fierce star]

I don't want every character that's literate to have Studied Linguistics

[marsh garden]

i mean

that's literally what it takes to learn writing in Creation?

[fierce star]

yes i realize that's a very modern way to look ati t

but this is about rules texture, not versimillitude

[marsh garden]

like that is fundamentally exactly what it means

both mechanically and narratively

[fierce star]

again, it's a rules texture thing

[prisma sun]

Not during character creation

[marsh garden]

only if it's caste, right?

[prisma sun]

1 skill dot is easier to distribute among the 20-something free dots than using your 1 of 10 merit dots

[marsh garden]

if it's non-caste it's still more efficient

and if linguistics is a caste ability for you i imagine you're taking more than the one dot, at least eventually

[prisma sun]

I'm talking about free chargen dots, not bonus points

Its really easy to just pop a dot down

[marsh garden]

fair enough

[dense verge]

hm. this is true. i guess i both dont want a ability that most players take 1 dot of and ignore but also position literacy as something you make a conscious choice for if it's not on by default.

[prisma sun]

I would make it you can only be literate in one language per dot of linguistics tbh

[dense verge]

having it be on the sheet as something you can look at like "wait im literate"

[prisma sun]

If you wanna read and write 5 languages you have to be one of the most skilled linguists in the world

[marsh garden]

oh that's sick too, i like that

[prisma sun]

That feels Real

[tulip folio]

...that sounds unbearable.

And getting way into the weeds

I'm also pretty sure my sister isn't linguistics 6. XD

[dense verge]

mhmhm

[prisma sun]

Your sister also isnt living in a world where the main mode of travel between countries is walkin'

[tulip folio]

She's also not a demigod with supernatural capabilities.

[prisma sun]

5 dots of linguistics is something regular people can do

Its just an extreme rarity

Which i think a normal person speaking and writing 5+ languages in Exalted would be

[marsh garden]

unrelated, in an attempt to get out of this irreconcilable difference of opinion

who remembers the weirdest and most hidden mutation

this motherfucker

[prisma sun]

Joining the silver pact so I cant be made moist

[fierce star]

Slimy

[marsh garden]

and what would y'all price this scorpion mutation as?

seems like a two-dot

but maybe 3?

[prisma sun]

2 dot seems fair

Also all arachnids have pedipalps!

Not just scorpions

[fierce star]

(my ex3 design hot take all the NPC-only merits should have points and be takeable by PCs)

[marsh garden]

yeah but it's listed in the scorpionfolk section

it's scorpion palps

holy fucking what

[bleak hazel]

mutations are non-charm, pedipalp sidereal goes hard apparently

[velvet raft]

Seconded, that sounds like it's dramatically overvaluing languages in terms of XP value in a way that only really makes it unnecessarily difficult to have "speaks a whole bunch of languages" as a feature of one's character

[prisma sun]

I straight up dont wanna have the literacy and language discussion anymore

If thats alright

[marsh garden]

yeah that's why i'm uh

posting about adversaries stuff

this also looks sweet, and it's actually statted

[velvet raft]

wriggle unnervingly

[prisma sun]

I should have given drifts this

[fierce star]

Shit I wriggle unnervingly for free

[bleak hazel]

grapple lunar that is a wacky waving inflatable tubeman

[marsh garden]

oh neat, seems easy to justify this

[bleak hazel]

wait, that's just Lunar Mahito

take 5000 poison charms and detonate people on touch

[marsh garden]

probably an e3 repurchase that lets you take an aim instead of fake an aim

not very many interesting artifacts in AotR

[velvet raft]

Do we have any javelin-compatible MAs?

[marsh garden]

n

[bleak hazel]

CC uses short spears

[fierce star]

hrm. Do I drop the manse to just have the hearthstone, or do I drop like.

A dot of integrity maybe? I don't have any charms there yet.

... ah fuck I should buy at least one ox-body

[prisma sun]

Manse is decided by how static the game is imo

[marsh garden]

hm, also pretty mid but that attunement benefit is woag

[velvet raft]

Aye, which are tragically different from short speeeeeeeeeeee

[wise ocean]

if you count javelins as a type of spear, yes

[fierce star]

Don't have a game yet but it's for a sidereal so even if I never go home there's Tech there

[velvet raft]

Holy goddamn, topple

[bleak hazel]

most NPC artifacts are not really directly portable to players

but that one is especially good

[velvet raft]

That's a hell of a find

[marsh garden]

yeah, it's dogshit for the lunar auto-aim

but busted for the sid one

[prisma sun]

That first Evocation fucks so hard damn

[wise ocean]

speaking of evocations: how do we feel about this

[buoyant summit]

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahaha

Amazing

[bleak hazel]

I assume this is +4 for you?

[prisma sun]

Thats seems fine

[bleak hazel]

neat

[wise ocean]

yep, +4 soak

[bleak hazel]

Eska has a really good one that is somewhat limited by the fact most people have two arms

[marsh garden]

yeah it's a TB evo

[velvet raft]

I'm suddenly filled with the desire to play Greatsword Sid again

[bleak hazel]

bullshit with thousand blades, clearly not intended for players

[prisma sun]

I dont think you even need to make it 1/scene

Its At Most 4 soak

[bleak hazel]

if it were not 1/scene I would make it 3m

[prisma sun]

Yeah

[wise ocean]

📝

[bleak hazel]

the good sid insta soak charm is 4m for 5 soak so getting "a bit more than 1/1" is usual

[marsh garden]

the evos on mountain's fang suck but

the attunement benefit?

zamn

steal 1 init on smashing is uh. not necessary, smashing v good

[bleak hazel]

standard sid instasoak charm

[buoyant summit]

You know what these would be cool and thematic for

[marsh garden]

and i really like this in theory, even if it's not good

[buoyant summit]

1k Blades into CMoS

[bleak hazel]

in your case you have 3m for +4 soak with the unarmoured timing but you have to be alerted first so, seems fine

[velvet raft]

I wish it weren't tethered to Charisma, that charm is so good

[prisma sun]

Just realized this stacks with CMOS

[buoyant summit]

With them turned into knives

[prisma sun]

Since the flying is a free threaten

Sid bullshit never ends

[marsh garden]

like i swear to god there's a way to make this less clunky and more applicable

[velvet raft]

Hmmmm SMAs to use with sid melee (the answer is just CMOS)

[prisma sun]

I WILL finish sword sma soon

[bleak hazel]

I never really think to use the spooky mode on that charm but it's really fucking spooky

lol major intimacy supported threaten

run cowards

the sid is doing the robot in midair

[prisma sun]

Cant wait for the Drifts boss fight

When he hits the Abyssals with the sudden

https://tenor.com/view/spider-walk-scary-gif-13204745

[marsh garden]

fuckin voldo

[bleak hazel]

his join battle is kind of mid but otherwise he is extremely spooky

[fierce star]

I guess i don't need four investigation charms

I can just have spider google and some wood buddies maybe

[prisma sun]

Voldo or Drifts?

[bleak hazel]

Drifts

no scary character in fiction has good join battle

this is why horror monsters are so bad at actually getting people

[fierce star]

Hrm. Misc, can you help me trim a sidereal charm list down to fit in at least one ox-body, ideally an ox-body and anoter spell?

[bleak hazel]

sure

[prisma sun]

I realized

I should probably give SwordMA a way to fuse artifacts and heartsblades

[fierce star]

ink clone being from divine heritage

[marsh garden]

nah, that's cap, i've played enough soul caliber games to know that voldo has crazy JB

[fierce star]

fluffed up as illusionary/wyldstuff clones

[bleak hazel]

I assume you're at Soc 5 w/ favoured?

[fierce star]

yeah

[bleak hazel]

since this seems to be a fairly committed socializer

so cut GCE and CKI and get 'em later

the lack of maid outfit is unlikely to be a huge problem for 4-5 sessions

[fierce star]

kk

Would you reccomend a second spell (control spell is corrupted words) or two ox-bodies?

[bleak hazel]

unless you are starting in a position where you immediately need the maid outfit, anyway

one ox-body and First Circle Demon

FCD is just wildly good

and assuming you're what, stam 3 you're fine considering you're sneaky

[fierce star]

yeah, stam 3

I'm stealth 5, jus tdidn't have the space to invest any charms

I only spent 4 BP on merits

this feels wrong somehow lmao

[merry arch]

id aka merits georg

[fierce star]

"average exalted character spends 7 bp on merits" actually statistical error. average exalted character spends 0 bp on merits. Merits ID, who lives in cave & spends 2000 BP on merits, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

hrm. I'm acutally not getting all the benefits from ascending destiny mien either, but it is letting me beat up bimbos with Facts And Logic (TM) in arguements

[wise ocean]

calculating dice numbers for a sorcerous working I want to pull off got me fucked up in the club

On one hand: 21 dice 1 autosux, 2pt stunt that shit for +2 +1autosux, double 10s rr6s

On the other hand: Difficulty 5, one year, GN 50, terminus 11 (at best)

On average I'd expect with this dice pool to get a contribution of 11/roll (there's also a mechanic on the charm I'm using that adds another autosux if I reroll 3 or more 6s, so I'm rounding the .78 up), which means I'd need a terminus of at least 5

I could skip out on some of the more involved Means that way, but if I fuck up a roll, Bleak

[bleak hazel]

what are you trying to do and what's your sorcery charm spec?

I may have tech

(I may also not have tech, workings are frequently just Go Harder)

[wise ocean]

e1 terrestrial sorcerer (infernal, 5/5, specialty) sending a significant part of a city to Hell

so ambition 2 solar circle

[bleak hazel]

ah yes doing solar circle shit at terrestrial circle is really hard

[wise ocean]

yep

thus the 1y time length

[bleak hazel]

1y interval or is that four seasons

[wise ocean]

interval 🙂

[fierce star]

I hestitate to suggest waiting until E3 as patience is not a virtue most exalts possess, however

[wise ocean]

however cutting the time in 1/4 would be very nice, yes

I'd also like to jump up to Diff 7 so I can get more control over where it goes in Hell (etc.) but that'd cut my average contribution to 9/roll, which would mean I'm looking more at a terminus of 6 or 7 to make sure it goes off

[bleak hazel]

yeah, I wouldn't go for solar circle workings at terrestrial circle if only because you will literally be E3 by the time you're done anyway in 90% of games

this might be in the 10% but even still

[marsh garden]

400-day timeskip

[wise ocean]

if I ask Ligier very nicely perhaps he'll cut a couple years off the end

[marsh garden]

goober 1.0 made, i'm afraid i've both overcomplicated it a bit and put too much of its juice into combat and not into its primary perception support role, while still not being actually good at combat

hard balance, i wanted it to be like. okay, but not good

and useful as just a seeing eye buddy

QCs are unsurprisingly difficult to understand balance for when i've only been through two combats so far

and i would appreciate any assistance

[velvet raft]

From game: "Life's too short to spend worrying about the machinations of fire-breathing people"

[fierce star]

I actually like it? I feel like some of those charms would make fun Eclipse ones. Familiar sense especially. Boltcatcher probably makes essence regen too easy to be eclipse. @marsh garden

[marsh garden]

oh! thank you

Familiar Sense is an existing magical merit that animals get, and i just upped its cost a bit and made it like

formatted as a real charm

so i'd probably keep it away from eclipse charm status

but i did plan on (if it passed muster) making Boltcatcher an eclipse and just cutting its benefits

you're not an air elemental, so you can't eat wind or drink lightning to replenish Essence...but you can at least grapple them

in any case, thanks for the feedback

[fierce star]

👍

if you want help figuring out dicepools, Infernals has first/second/third circle demon templates that can tell you like

'a thing of essence X should have pools around Y for it's pirmary, secondary, and tertiary focuses'

useful mostly for spirits but

[marsh garden]

oh yeah i referenced the alchs/infernals QC pools

those are 9/6/3, but

i wanted a bit of variance for a few texture reasons

[bleak hazel]

adversaries moment

objectively extremely powerful perfect effect greater hearthstone.... which is also unobtainable because there are no *** hearthstones

[coral wraith]

well that's stupid

[tulip folio]

...where the hell does well...Sid Prophesy fall relative to 'Solar Circle Sorcery'?

That feels like a really bad metric of power

[dense verge]

adversaries of the internal game mechanics

[prisma sun]

It's not a Solar doing it, so it beats Sids

[bleak hazel]

adversaries is pre-Sids, and is renowned for being very jank

a gejankenexperiment

there's some really great stuff in there, like Jovena the ghost ship captain being the only vaguely viable naval battle opponent among the game's NPCs and a solid summon ghost target

and then there's the E4 abyssal with three sub-terrestrial level charms and zero 5s in atts or abilities

[coral wraith]

then you have the e3 twilight solar who is the biggest jobber of all time

[coral wraith]

wow that's even more pathetic

[marsh garden]

oh? i must have missed this one going through!

[tulip folio]

'We trained him wrong as a joke'

[marsh garden]

time to fix that

yeah poor Fool is in a fucking dire state

fits her name though lol

[wise ocean]

is that the one who Mask exalted wrong as a joke

[tulip folio]

I kinda wish Za-Ishat wasn't our only statline for a Djinn as her stats...don't entirely work.

[marsh garden]

no

she's a knight of the Lover

[marsh garden]

also iki you've been doing QCs, can you take a scan at this one

see if it's fine

[wise ocean]

hm. not great that there are multiple canon abyssals that scale from being "a bit ineffectual against combat optimized PCs" to "we built all of these wrong as a joke"

[tulip folio]

Like, they expressly lay out she's Melee 5 and Dexterity 4 and then her attack pool is like...10? That's both too high for 'not adding weapon accuracy' and too low for 'is acting weapon accuracy'.

She's also expressly a super veteran, experianced Ifrit Prince but also she's the only one we have statted so it's unclear how much worse other ones are.

And if they are worse...man, they are garbage elementals

[bleak hazel]

Benny the Dusk is perfect, IMO

[tulip folio]

Undodgable is a lot on an E2...elemental?

[bleak hazel]

if I was running for like, four people from here playing celestials I would probably give Benny more stuff, but she's a great boss for like, a circle of not razors-edge optimised deebs at decent essence

[marsh garden]

yeah, ele

wasn't sure if it would be since this is its only real combat charm

[bleak hazel]

Benny could also eat an entire circle of Melkin Fools alive without trying particularly hard

[marsh garden]

ele, so banned from PoM for whatever reason

[tulip folio]

I'd go with like 'undodgable without magic'

[marsh garden]

and no offensive stim other than from a resource that also eats its defense

fair, might give it 11a and do that then

so any exalt can mog it

but it still has acc

thanks

[buoyant summit]

Could I mayhaps receive some haaaaaaaaaalp

[marsh garden]

any other issues come up?

[buoyant summit]

With a character

[marsh garden]

i can try, but i assume it's a swordswoman and a sid and as such you would know better than i

[buoyant summit]

Fair <XD

[wise ocean]

drop em, rhi

[buoyant summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qjxmh8STTEAt41XVFa3CeEdZT-wMgl2s1jt6u3lb5Oc/edit?usp=sharing

🦢Maeve technically but mfw we haven't done our pluralkit yet

[wise ocean]

oh, this is your faesid

Yeah this looks good other than "decide on 3 stam 1 str or 3 str 1 stam" because of breakpointing

[buoyant summit]

3 stam, fuckit

[wise ocean]

since you have an ox-body and no charms that let you immediately blow someone up - yeah

[buoyant summit]

'oh no I miss out on one damage and feats I'm never fucking doing'

[velvet raft]

Had my first session of starting-as-mortals-game, was very good

ST has apparently selected my character for having weird dreams and visions and such, at least for now :D

[mighty rover]

yaaaay
nothing bad can ever happen when you're favored by the narrative

[marsh garden]

nice, sid telegraphing

guess you'll get a splat you want after all!

[buoyant summit]

snrk

I think what I'm going to do

[bleak hazel]

a first age teenager having a bunch of fucked up visions and going "ooh I get to be a Sid!" like a seven year old on Christmas eve sounds very funny now I think about it

pre-arcane fate

unusually well informed child even so

[buoyant summit]

Is take the child of Luna's eclipse charm that lets me talk to nocturnal predators, get rid of the spell that lets me turn into a flock of birds (since I had it as my control to talk to birds) and take it later

And use that spare charm...

somewheeeeeeeere

[marsh garden]

well

you'll have to go find them for the eclipse charm

[coral wraith]

nah, divine heritage

she just starts with it

[marsh garden]

ahh, that way

ic ic

[bleak hazel]

putting a personal request in for necromancy if it doesn't go against character vibe

[buoyant summit]

You Are A Sonuva Bitch (affectionate)

And

Not fullllyyyyyy against character vibe...

Are there

Necromantic Fae?

Any who dabble?

[bleak hazel]

damned if I know

[buoyant summit]

Fuck meeeeeeeeee

[coral wraith]

I mean probably

[buoyant summit]

You know what, fuckit Misc

You get your wish

[bleak hazel]

technically I think sorcerous fae are usually just using fae shaping instead but lol lmao

[marsh garden]

necromancy seems a bit against-type for fae

but you're not a fae

you're a sid

[buoyant summit]

You get to be in a circle where the Secrets has no magic

And the Faeblooded Sid has both kinds of magic

[bleak hazel]

you also only get one terrestrial circle control spell so you can just grab summon ghost and leave it there if you want

and keep the focus on sorc

note: use diplomacy sid to figure out where Jovena is so we can bind her and keep 1x first age warship out of Skullstone hands

she may be a bit angry at us but we can work with that

[buoyant summit]

Well I might make the Necro spell my control spell

Peacock Shadow's control effect does little for me, imo

[merry arch]

The Chair is always good

[buoyant summit]

Not build synergistic unfortunately

The Chair is about Look At Me

The build is 'look at me and instantly forget I was there'

[merry arch]

oh then the one that makes you summon a little black hole. drawing a blank on the name. control effect makes you silent

[velvet raft]

Abhorrence of Breath

[merry arch]

ghosts will hate you but

that's a small price

[velvet raft]

I was thinking of that as possible, yeah! Although the dream I had was about three suns being in the sky that were pretty clearly representative of the three types of solaroid, so, We Will See :D

[marsh garden]

ah, fair

[velvet raft]

The ST knows I like sids and infernals, so

And there was definitely a sense of like ... fate stuff going on

[wise ocean]

I was about to say, I was expecting "oh cool visions!" to potentially manifest into "it got fucked up. welcome to Infernal"

[velvet raft]

Just enjoying the ride for now, this ST is great

[fierce star]

hell yeah

also nwo having finished building my first sidereal myself (sans fulling statting out her artifacts) I can safely say

jesus christ

[buoyant summit]

Also wait

Where does it say if you know both sorcery and necromancy you only get 1 control spell?

[fierce star]

page 330, abyssals

[buoyant summit]

Got it

So do I even get a necromancy spell without having to give up Peacock Shadow Eyes?

[coral wraith]

it's great right

[dense verge]

prince resplendent is e2 i thiiink. also i love that guy, he sucks

[bleak hazel]

so, sids good or sids bad

[marsh garden]

having asked myself a bit ago, the consensus answer was "yeah, you still get a free spell, it's just not a Control"

[prisma sun]

Sids are so fuckin fun

[buoyant summit]

Coolio

[bleak hazel]

I saw someone say "Rakan Coolio" the other day and now he is irrevocably associated with the word

[prisma sun]

Building every other Exalt:
"I think I will go down the combat tree and a little of the social tree :)"

Building Sids:

https://youtu.be/wlTx6XVBGhU

[marsh garden]

Wreck'em Coolio and Ketchup Carjack

[buoyant summit]

Oh shit Blinding the Boar looks incredible

[bleak hazel]

it is very good

[coral wraith]

very strong

[buoyant summit]

brb favoring stealth

[coral wraith]

can even flurry it with Stealth

[bleak hazel]

it's incredible for secondary combatants and still pretty good for anyone else

[buoyant summit]

It also hooks into my WSAV :3

[fierce star]

... I jus trealized that there is exactly one charm in investigation that uses charisma, one of my dump stats

and it's the capstone

OTOH it's also just 'get clues for free' so it's not uh

a very impressive prayer strip charm tbh

[bleak hazel]

I had considered getting it on my bluesid since he has amazing manip and would appreciate the defence but he very much doesn't have dots for it

wait I can use this to fuck ligier over even harder

enjoy the -7 to -9 hit penalty sucker

[prisma sun]

I did feel like not getting WSAV cuz it does feel too much like a gimme

[wise ocean]

I skipped WSAV and then misc successfully evangelized it to me

[bleak hazel]

I think it's great for vibes but you have to pick a suitably evocative one

WSAV (combat) - no, whack

WSAV (thing that includes some combat but is characterful) - good

[buoyant summit]

'while being forgotten' I think hits the second one

[fierce star]

WSAV (Smugly)?

[buoyant summit]

ignore that I have the forgotten blade, larceny, peacock shadow eyes, underling invisibility, and blinding the boar

[bleak hazel]

Rival's is "while blatantly obvious" which admittedly suits his style but is about as broad as I'd get

bluesid has "by my own hands or none" which he uses largely for drafting important documents, cooking and grappling

[fierce star]

Hmm. Mayb eSmugly is too broad.

this is a high-int exalt

I even have the 'destroy your arguemetn with facts and logic' charm

[buoyant summit]

Forgive me

Ben Sidpiro

[marsh garden]

considering the examples, i'm pretty sure it is meant to just be "universal"

[wise ocean]

original Crystal WSAV I was quite pleased with and then realized it was really too narrow

so now instead of While using the weapons or tools of my enemies it's While taking an unexpected or unconventional approach

which works great for Thrown lemme tell ya

[bleak hazel]

I should really name bluesid

[coral wraith]

Yeah I should name my fella too

I should really make a blorbo using White Veil one of these days

Incredibly mean charmset

[tulip folio]

White Veil + Rat seems like the funniest combo.

'I am graceful and stylish and courtier-ly and here is my rusty shanknife'

[fierce star]

I had an abyssal that was gonna use that combo

[marsh garden]

white veil rat is what a lunar in one of those exalted quests used...

with a uhhh

whatever the fucking finger ring needles are called

is it just hand needle?

[tulip folio]

I did a secret art for rat recently.

[buoyant summit]

kakute

[tulip folio]

Secret Technique: Plague Rat Brings Blight
Cost: —; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Rat Form
There are few things that Autocthonia understands as well as disease. The machine god rots from within, his nature tied to his death as much as his brilliance. This gives Autocthonian martial artists a unique perspective on disease, understanding how it can wear at machine and flesh alike.

The Stylist gains the following benefits:
•She may inflict Diseases with Rat Style charms upon beings that are normally immune to disease by their nature, such as Automatons and Undead, though not those who are magically immune to disease. 
•She can exploit the weakness of those who's forms have been turned against them by mystical infection. Characters suffering Blight, Wyld Exposure, Whispers or Investiture of Hellish Glory are treated by the stylist as if they were diseased with Major Intensity for the purpose of Rat Charms.
•She can conceal the effects of diseases or blights she personally suffers to those without superhuman or magical senses, a fact often exploited by Apostates.

[prisma sun]

I think Drifts' would be something like "Ephemerally" or "While moving onward"

[bleak hazel]

Crimson was originally White Veil purely on the grounds that I could stack socialize roll buffs to do one disgusting ambush with the E2 charm on it

but that required a silly 151 phys tertiary so I went Flying Guillotine instead

specifically, he got a massive bonus from negging someone and then immediately going for the strangulation

[coral wraith]

Lmao

[bleak hazel]

this charm is a monster too

[coral wraith]

Honestly the biggest part of White Veil to me is forcing people to use the lowest of Awareness or Socialize for their JB if they're initiating a fight in response to you in White Veil Form

Which can absolutely fuck combat exalts

Sorry Solaroid Andy I blew up your excellency entirely

[bleak hazel]

look at that mastery effect

[coral wraith]

Yeah the Mastery on Blinded By Laughter is lmao

[wise ocean]

add six dice to your tick 1 decisive ambush gg

[coral wraith]

7 or more, depending

[bleak hazel]

not six, it includes ongoing bonus

[coral wraith]

Since it includes bonuses from WVF and others

[bleak hazel]

so it's 10

because of +3 ongoing for 4m from Heartless Revenant Mien and 1 from WVF

and then remember my socialize JB is double 9 + reroll 1/2

so I roll 23 dice, pop Sobri for 1 autosux, willpower for another, 22-23 init

[wise ocean]

oh right HRM

[marsh garden]

white veil isn't compatible with any thrown weapons right?

[bleak hazel]

then decisive full excellency, 23 dice, add 10 dice from the mastery effect because I get 11.5 sux on average and they are def 0

[coral wraith]

Nope

All hand to hand

[marsh garden]

also jesus christ

[bleak hazel]

roll 32 dice of damage and kill a 2 ox body exalt

[wise ocean]

bottom text

[coral wraith]

If you're a Sid stylist this is barely worse and costs less than half the motes

[bleak hazel]

total cost: 41m 2wp

if you're a Sid you don't have HRM or reroll 1/2 on soc roll

so it's a lot less painful

[coral wraith]

You have Honest Face Spirit instead

Takes you to Guile 9

No rerolling 1s or 2s but you make up for it by not exploding your entire mote pool in one go

[bleak hazel]

you lose about 4 dice of damage then

[buoyant summit]

🦢Misc would you be cool with me taking Necromancy at a later time soon after game start and instead starting with Blinding the Boar at chargen?

[bleak hazel]

although I think it's coolest on an Abyssal because Imprecation of Ill Manners into murder is very evocative

real vader shit

[coral wraith]

Honestly fair

[bleak hazel]

and yeah sure

[buoyant summit]

🐮My Devil Prince Sword Moonshadow has Imprecation and I cannot wait

[bleak hazel]

I just have "bind Jovena" on the casual side quests list because I like that NPC

[buoyant summit]

To use it during a fight to go 'really? that's the best you've got?'

[bleak hazel]

I guess on a Sid it's relatively low investment

any journeys charm, which includes your ox body

seven real charms of investment for honest face spirit and 6 white veil charms

which you then build into Citrine

healer journeys

honestly sounds quite fun

[wise ocean]

I need to pick up more Performance combat charms for Graves but he needs so much stuff to fill out his combat kit

[bleak hazel]

get sorcery too

and summon up some yozi venom to load something ungodly onto that needle

[marsh garden]

what summonable demons can you juice for yozi venom?

[bleak hazel]

bonus points:

[marsh garden]

the spider dipshits?

[bleak hazel]

wound penalty

-5 yozi venom penalty

-essence penalty from strangulation/needle through windpipe

[coral wraith]

Oh my god

Actually yeah good question, where do you grab yozi venom from

[bleak hazel]

well, you can go to malfeas and get some

[coral wraith]

good idea

[prisma sun]

Milkfeas

[bleak hazel]

I'm serious, you're a sid, 99.9% of the population of malfeas still gets arcane fated and resplendent destinied

you're fine

[coral wraith]

...how does one get into Hell like. normally. without charms.

[marsh garden]

walk

five days

[coral wraith]

yes i know

but where from

[marsh garden]

anywhere desolate

i think the Wyld and Calibration open up Cecelyne

[bleak hazel]

you can also ask the embassy to malfeas if you can use their gate to cece

[coral wraith]

Oh huh they have that

Makes sense

[marsh garden]

any desert, any wasteland, anywhere in the Wyld, some places during Calibration

[bleak hazel]

as for yozi venom, a Serenities is busting a smuggling ring that has some in heaven in the sid opening fiction

[marsh garden]

yeah just

[coral wraith]

yummers

[marsh garden]

you said "summon up some yozi venom"

so i assumed there was a specific 1CD that had it

[bleak hazel]

so either:

• go to malfeas
• summon a metody, use vitriol
• grab a cask from the seized assets locker

[wise ocean]

now that there's a whole bunch of Hell Materials in infernals there's plenty of interesting and weird stuff you can do by venturing into Hell for ten days

[bleak hazel]

it depends if your ST lets vitriol count

[marsh garden]

ah

[bleak hazel]

but vitriol is like giga mega acid so you might need some special mats to handle that

in 2e I once used a syringe made of cece-sand glass

[wise ocean]

I recommend, speaking of hell materials, yozi-glass from the sands of Cece

[coral wraith]

Anhule venom is perfectly serviceable is a substitute, at least

are venomous. The most common anuhle venom is a
vitriolic toxin that deals 3i/round (L in Crash), with duration 5 rounds and a penalty of −4. Different breeds
may have others.```

[wise ocean]

jinx

[bleak hazel]

the main thing about yozi venom is it's difficulty 10 to resist and the interval is minutes

so if they fail to get all 10 they're fucked all fight long

[coral wraith]

lomao

[bleak hazel]

it doesn't actually hurt that much but it has a vast penalty

you can also get Szoreny's quicksilver

which is only -2 but also lasts for ever

[coral wraith]

That ain't bad

[bleak hazel]

the reason I say you can summon it up is that yozi venom is not vitriol but you can make it from vitriol

so a metody will do if you are a skilled alchemist

Ex3 does not confirm that it works in the same way, but barring an explicit contradiction, I don't see any reason to assume it changed.```

[marsh garden]

interesting

[coral wraith]

Is that from a dev?

[marsh garden]

yeah

[bleak hazel]

there is also another option if you are a Sidereal

Pattern Venom

[coral wraith]

Works for me!

[coral wraith]

I was gonna mention this yeah

Maybe not super effective but very funny

[bleak hazel]

I'm not sure it's an object but I'm sure you can do some funny artifact-level alchemy to get you pattern venom distillate

[coral wraith]

Curse the dynast with horrible luck

[bleak hazel]

also you just hit the poor fucker for like 11 health levels

you maybe don't need yozi venom

it just helps

[coral wraith]

I mean, depends on your approach, right

If you just wanna poison the guy subtly you use Birdsong Over Blades

[bleak hazel]

yeah but we're dunking

bonus point 2

note that special

+1 dice of damage from Auspicious Implement of Strife first buy

which also lets you make it a surprisingly hard-hitting regular melee weapon and removes improvised downsides

[coral wraith]

Oh my god yeah

Lmao

[bleak hazel]

I think there's some style in killing a man with razor wire that you draw out of an ampoule of pattern venom

[coral wraith]

You can even turn it into an artifact weapon with the repurchase

[bleak hazel]

that's some heavenly CIA shit

[coral wraith]

Did we accidentally cook here

[marsh garden]

...damn. i was really hoping that Essence Pulse Cannon had something to make it an unarmed attack

so i could shoot people with the curse of ra

[bleak hazel]

my friend I only deliberately cook

[coral wraith]

[bleak hazel]

I'm not sure it quite works if you give it artifact traits because it turns off if you grapple, I guess?

but I don't see why not if you just whip people with it

[coral wraith]

Mhm

[bleak hazel]

if you can use it permanently you can give it evos that work on any piece of rope you grab

[wise ocean]

holistic arsenal methodology also procs here, I think

[bleak hazel]

it does, albeit not super usefully

this is presumably assassin journeys and as such not going to be weapon juggling

CPOC uses hand needles but they're Worn so you just wear your ring and carry your garotte

hmm, does CPOC add anything much here

Feverish Essence Infection is Simple, so it doesn't work with Blinded By Laughter

[coral wraith]

damn

[bleak hazel]

it's pretty great with everything else you have

use TDDIB with your sneaky needle poke charm

[wise ocean]

I'm mostly thinking of reflexive weapon readying in a WV social situation, goes from concealed to drawn with no action

[bleak hazel]

oh yeah I guess that is something

of course with a decisive you can just strangle barehanded, but the garotte has the benefit of adding 1 damage

this is also quite fun if you tap someone with Birdsong over Blades first

although you need regular join battle

[fierce star]

I'm pondering something about join battle

wait nevermind I thought there was rules text in core book that isn't there, unless it's not in the join battle section

[buoyant summit]

🐰I mentioned to a person in Corinne's Abyssals game that I'm running for a Faeblooded Sid I'm going to have to brew QHoD for and they linked another person's attempt at it

Which annoyingly keeps the weird 'this SMA can be learned starting at E1' but makes the condition more interesting

[bleak hazel]

oh, throw me that

[buoyant summit]

Also as a person who enjoys the fact Fae are The Story People

[bleak hazel]

a lot of early 3e attempts at SMAs started at E1 because they didn't know how they'd work

[buoyant summit]

This being the condition to enter the form reflexively is a treat

'Do well enough describing a cool thing you do that the Storyteller likes it and you can reflexively enter Form'

Is

chef kiss

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z9wGJcfJOxNI_OP_zrtyhl5NZdU6zxkPsiMJaaVncOU/edit?usp=sharing

It says updated SMAs

But only has Border and Quicksilver Hand

[bleak hazel]

bonus points if you get it with Sobriquet

you have to make a social roll for that but "join batle, threaten, pop sobriquet by announcing cool title, be in form" is worth 3-4 motes and a presence charm

I've always liked the fluff for Meditative Battlefield Escalation

Creation is a mundane place to do battle and one that does not allow for true expression of the warrior’s soul. Here, anything is possible.

ah their BOKL starts at E3, properly

[prisma sun]

Rules as written can you use Unseen Threads to make one

[fierce star]

I feel like 6 join battle (3/3 split) might be low for a secodary fites character but I really don't know what I can sacrifice to boost it

[bleak hazel]

the unseen threads are their own weird weapon unfortunately

[wise ocean]

I have jb6 on an e2 primary fights character, you're fine

just get some tech to fill in

[buoyant summit]

I said

🦢My Endings Sid wasn't gonna be a primary combat character

But

Uh

cough

[wise ocean]

everyone is a combat character if they believe in themselves

[bleak hazel]

OK, this is definitely the best way I've seen "mysterious bullshit lets you learn SMA without the usual requirements", this is actually fun and locks off most of the style

[buoyant summit]

🐰Should I just use this then?

I'm not gonna give you guys Wyld stuff that often I don't think

So Maeve's probably gonna be learning it around E3 anyhow

[fierce star]

My tech is 'ebon shadow and stealth 5', I suppose

[bleak hazel]

I haven't read it yet, hang on a bit

[velvet raft]

You know what would be fun

Melee -> CPOC

[bleak hazel]

this version of Gossamer Understanding is very cute

[fierce star]

Two flavor questions: One, do yo uthink the forbidding manse of ivy counts as a 'library, archive, academy or other place of learning' and two, what is the smuggest plant

[buoyant summit]

Almost certainly, and an orchid

[wise ocean]

I like this QHOD a fair bit, it's got sauce

[fierce star]

Smug Faeblood Girl surrounded by 5 Smug Orchidgirl Librarians and 1 Smug Spider (That Is A Boy, Actually, Thank You For Asking)

[coral wraith]

The Forbidden Manse of Ivy has the Infinite Archive within it, so very much yes

[buoyant summit]

🦢ID I hope you know just how much I wish against wishes, hope against hope, that we end up in the same sid game someday so we can play our Faeblooded

[fierce star]

hahaha

maybe not 5 research assistsnats. Hmm. They're only one mote each, though.

what's my current commitments look like. 9 for artifacts...

9 for artifacts, 8 for form, 5 for research assistants, that's only 23 committed motes,

[bleak hazel]

this is a fun QHOD I dig it

[fierce star]

that's only my entire peripheral pool and one personal

lmaao

[wise ocean]

what are you using infinite orchidgirl works for

[fierce star]

Aura and reading people's diaries mostly

[bleak hazel]

capstone more or less reads "win", Dreamwalker Kata needs to specify what it can target somewhere other than the fluff and Inescapable Nightmare should probably say that you have to beat resolve on the threaten to work but this is mechanically quite tight

[fierce star]

also access to a 10-dice lore pool of a variety of lore backgrounds I do not have

[buoyant summit]

Kweschun

[fierce star]

they each have 1 lore background that's just mine, plus one based on where they were summoned, plus one of my choice, plus one more each story

[bleak hazel]

might be busted for reasons I missed because it's complex but it's cool and before the E5 capstone it doesn't seem to have excessive bignumber

[buoyant summit]

Do Sidereals instinctively recognize other Sidereals?

[fierce star]

I actually really like Research Assistant Evocation, but I think at E1 I'm probably best off just having one or two

[bleak hazel]

nope, but arcane fate/resplendent destinies don't work on them so if they see some guy everyone insists is a blacksmith walking around with a cooking apron and a plastic squeaky toy hammer they have some indication

[buoyant summit]

🦢I'm asking because, as an Endings, I have an idea for how my character like

[bleak hazel]

but Exalts in general have no automatic recognition of each other except when a bonded Lunar/Solaroid pair meet, in which case you get the sappy perfume ad vision or the eternal nemesis hatred vision or whatever

[buoyant summit]

Gets with the Bureau

And that would be being Cassandra

She tells her father, a raksha, that doing x thing is a bad idea because y celestial being will apply sword to his chest

He Listens Not

And Gets Wyld Hunted About It

In a circumstance where the Sidereal helping the Hunt finds her and goes

'Fucking damn it'

Also should my character have the Wyld Mutant flaw?

[bleak hazel]

are they a mutant?

because if not the answer is no

wyld mutant is "you are visibly a freakazoid to anyone who passes you on the street"

[fierce star]

god I wish I had the 'become immune to wyld mutation, addiction, and etc, but suffer aggravated from cold iron' merit from touched by nightmares

alas! dots.

[buoyant summit]

I guess I'm asking 'this character was raised by her fairy father in fairyland, would it be a likely occurrence'

[fierce star]

basically the answer that is 'do you, as a player, want it to be an occurance and do you have the merit dots to buy a couple mutations so it fits'

given sids the answer to the latter is probably 'no'

[buoyant summit]

lmao nope

[fierce star]

oh wait the sheet auto-calculates reductions for uh

words

committed motes

so I'd only be down to... nine peripheral and 11 personal in form with 5 plantgirls

[bleak hazel]

do you have the WSAV/HER combo and/or an unarmed/unarmed build that works with Ways of Exaltation later?

[fierce star]

I've got WSAV/HER yeah

[bleak hazel]

you're golden then

cannot stress enough how bullshit 1.4 mote full excellencies are

just passively

[fierce star]

My build can work unarmed but my specialty is knife play

hm

you know I like unweaving method but I was only able to fit in 3 wits and 3 occult.

maybe I drop it for something else.

[marsh garden]

i've finally hammered in that wsav is world-shaping artistic vision, but which charm is HER?

oh wait

heroic essence replenishment

[fierce star]

heroic essence replenishment, presence

yes

[bleak hazel]

Heroic Essence Replenishment

the number 1 cause of sidereals suiciding into lunars for dumb reasons because they wanted the charop advantage

really good charm though

[marsh garden]

yeah, having 0m excellencies unless you're slamming the e3 wp charge seems

pretty broken

[fierce star]

I have a defining intimacy of 'an interesting story is better than a long one' so I expect to trigger it

often

[bleak hazel]

they're not completely free

but WSAV gets them down to 3 motes and then you get 1-2 back from 10s

[marsh garden]

yeah i would call one-mote excellencies effectively free

[bleak hazel]

the main thing that gets you is that defensive excellencies are not free and sid excellency only has [3 or essence] as the static value cap

so you are quite punchable

[fierce star]

my WSAV specialty is 'smugly', so.

yeah i'm gonna be punchable

[bleak hazel]

absurdly accurate though

[fierce star]

fuck what's that german word?

[wise ocean]

I don't have a HER-applicable intimacy nor does one feel right for the character so I yet again miss proper charop by 3"

[fierce star]

Backpfeifengesicht, that's it

"a face that is badly in need of a fist' more or less

[buoyant summit]

I forget ID

[bleak hazel]

I assumed given Iatro's art that all your characters were like that anyway

[buoyant summit]

Is your Faeblooded Snake, or is your Faeblooded's dad?

[fierce star]

:kekdog:

oh right no more nitro

not all my characters are smug, but I do admit a lot of my exalts are.

Rhi: Big Boss is my character's dad

[buoyant summit]

lmao nice

[fierce star]

so technically that makes me... hmm

probably solid snake since I work for the feds

[buoyant summit]

Snake or Liquid

But yeah, Snake

[wise ocean]

liquid given the smug

[fierce star]

I contain elements of all Snakes

[buoyant summit]

Liquid and Snake

One might say

[merry arch]

i should come up with a wsav for delight....

[buoyant summit]

Liquid Snake

[fierce star]

lol

[buoyant summit]

XD

[fierce star]

well, I'm not the president of hte united states of america, so I'm not solidus

if I make an exalt styled off of a fictional US president it'd be Michael Wilson from Metal Wolf Chaos

[buoyant summit]

I know you can't make a Stand

But I would do Valentine

[marsh garden]

god i love metal wolf chaos

[buoyant summit]

from Steel Ball Run

[marsh garden]

remind me: do any Umbral powers let them do Stand shit?

[fierce star]

I mean, you can have an Evil Stand if you're a nocturnal

umbral? umbral

[bleak hazel]

you need OSOI to make a stand

[fierce star]

oh righ tOSOI does ittoo

[buoyant summit]

Look upon my Faendings inspos

[fierce star]

oh hell yeah pyre

(hot take pyre is supergiant's best game)

[merry arch]

"while serving cunt" seems appropriate but that also feels too broad

[fierce star]

"Girlbossing"? :V

[bleak hazel]

the stand user could be anyone

god I love Black Ice Shadow

[buoyant summit]

God that NotADunmer's design is

[bleak hazel]

look at that goddamn outfit

[buoyant summit]

So ass bro

Also why are just

[bleak hazel]

nobody is to talk shit about black ice shadow

he is the best

[buoyant summit]

Random people's ears pointy?!

[bleak hazel]

he's ghostblooded

so he looks like a dark elf

[buoyant summit]

of fucking course he is

[bleak hazel]

in the 2e scroll of exalts he was listed as "abyssal impersonator"

[wise ocean]

considering it'd be an especial effort in Serving, you could probably get away with it. peep the examples

[merry arch]

fair!

[bleak hazel]

he does not actually do that but he is a ghostblooded endings assassin whose name is Black Eyeshadow

and a necromancer

he's actually lovely

[buoyant summit]

🦢I'm going to give Mountebank pointy ears

[merry arch]

good, fae should have cute ears

[bleak hazel]

I am not going to lie I unironically think BIS looks good in that art despite the absurdity of his outfit

it would look more absurd if he was not posing on a rooftop

[merry arch]

he's dripped out

[buoyant summit]

🐴I would like to formally express my separate opinion of BIS to the rest of my headmates

[bleak hazel]

you can get away with a lot while posing on a rooftop during a kung fu duel

[merry arch]

gucci'd down to the socks

[buoyant summit]

As I have a character that shares over half his fucking name lmao

Black Ice Unseen Underfoot

[bleak hazel]

anyway stand use

a casual 35m 2wp to use this with the form but hot damn

I would find it very funny if Black Ice Shadow popped this and one of his clones came out with a dusk caste mark or something

"I'm just going to choose to ignore this and move on"

[buoyant summit]

I mean

Masque

[tulip folio]

As an aside: Do you think it's reasonable considering they are a wyld-based exalt for the wanderer to get this without needing to buy it with a charm?

Wyld Walker
Wanderers are immune to wyld environmental shaping hazards. They are also highly resistant to more targeted shaping effects, adding (Higher of 3 or Essence) to their Resolve as a non-Charm bonus against a Shaping effect from a Wyld being. Alternatively, they can add that many automatic non-charm successes on a roll with any Attribute opposing such a Shaping effect.

Against unrolled Shaping effects, they force an opposed (Willpower)roll, adding (Higher of 3 or Essence) automatic non-charm successes on the roll.

For 2 motes, a Wanderer can share this protection with another character indefinitely, as long as they remain within long range of the Wanderer. For 10 motes, 1 willpower, they can share this protection with a number of characters to make a size (Essence) battlegroup.

They get an inbuilt shaping defence, though it's wyld-only unless they spend a charm to broaden it to all of them.

[bleak hazel]

it is also just hella good, no flurry penalties and 7-8 extra health levels

[marsh garden]

this is like ++++lunar shaping (body) immunity

so probably if it's like. their Thing that celestials get

but not if they get more innates

[bleak hazel]

it's basically two and a half charms

which is fine if they don't also get like, Sid Prophecy

[fierce star]

so far Iirc wanders get some location-based passives that are interesting but relativley like, low-key as far as Exalt Passive Abilities go?

[bleak hazel]

question, now that I think about Sid Prophecy

who the fuck is this

I don't recognise that Endings

[marsh garden]

somebody using OSOI

[bleak hazel]

not quite, that's a paradox spirit

[marsh garden]

oh neat

[tulip folio]

They get 'I'm immune to environmental effects specific to my touchstone'.

So like, if you've got a volcano as your touchstone, you are immune to environmental hazards from that specific volcano

Not volcanos or heat as a whole

[marsh garden]

total immunity to your place of power is fun

[bleak hazel]

I've just realised I'm finally in a Sid Perfect Circle game

fire up the prophecy cannon

I want TN on all these goddamn rolls lowered stat

[tulip folio]

It's less designed to be a big effect and more 'I can pretty safely exist in My Place'

Regardless of what That Place is

[bleak hazel]

(we can't really do this yet, at E1 you can't affect Exalted)

[marsh garden]

yeah it's not significant, but

"why would this place hurt me? it is me" is great vibes

[dense verge]

oh nice

[bleak hazel]

E4 sid prophecy does get kind of nuts but you don't get to use it very often

the battles special (make my friends cool as hell in the upcoming battle) requires two sids, two months and stolen valour, if you're lucky

[wise ocean]

oh?

[bleak hazel]

so Sid Prophecy is a fancy sorcerous working where you set difficulty by picking options from the power/frequency/size/duration tables, and you need to be E4 to set any of those to 5

the gap between Frequency 4 and Frequency 5 is significant

once you're E4 (and if you have the right signs, but that's quite easy) you can fire up the freq 5, power 3-4. scope 1 duration 1 prophecy, which is just about within your capabilities without any external communication if you get +2 means from wearing the trappings and having a second sid help

that hits up to 10 people (i.e. the circle) with -1TN in the climactic scene as long as their essence is no higher than (yours or yours + 2 depending on how hard you went) max duration one month

[wise ocean]

ah, I see what you mean - yeah, I didn't realize "whenever appropriate" would in fact be -1TN Permanently On The Fight

[bleak hazel]

you can also go for 1/5/1/5 instead but that needs serious means, which is the wide-angle

an entire city rises up in revolution or declares war within a month

only hits chumps though

[fierce star]

hey, if enough chumps are rolling against TN 5...

[bleak hazel]

oh no the TN manip is only for people who matter

[fierce star]

ah

[bleak hazel]

the good thing about freq 4 is that it's interval 1-day and you can hit it from chargen with a big enough pool, so if you have a week's prep time, trappings, a friend and the resources to send a memo you can go 1/4/1/4, get 50 sux in 6-7 rolls with decent luck and get your battalion of extras fired up with the thermopylae juice

hey size 5 battlegroup, stand still

prophecy is still good for swinging fights but the real use is rigging events that nobody big and juiced and supernatural is directly hitting with a hammer

also if you are a nice person you can just run around firing off narratively irrelevant prophecies to make people's lives better since Frequency 2/1/1/2 takes like three hours, but then what kind of CIA agent would you be

[marsh garden]

you can also fire off narratively irrelevant prophecies to distribute fent to children

[bleak hazel]

this is true

[marsh garden]

real CIA hours

[bleak hazel]

can you believe this is the simplest Sid Astrology has ever been

it's still kind of a numbers fuckstein special ability but it can be really neat

people just shy away from anything that costs XP, even if it only costs XP for a month and then refunds you

I find it gets way easier to justify firing them off when you know you have over a month's worth of training time lined up anyway

[fierce star]

absolutely using prophecy to force mortals to live in interesting times

we're here for a good time not a long one buckle up and put your big boy pants on

[bleak hazel]

E3 Bluesid: "yeah I was stuck in the hotel for a week so I cursed the manager's family with No Bitches unto the fourth generation"
Pattern Spider: "but bluesid, how will they have a fourth generation?"
E3B: "fuck didn't think of that"

[wise ocean]

the Messenger and the Sword are good signs for prophecy, I think I chose well

both in terms of easy trappings and effect

[bleak hazel]

sometimes missed perk by the way: an E1-2 sid with an applicable sign can quickly warm up a 1/3/3/1 and get their artifact crafting at TN4 even though they don't have an excellency that good yet

good if crafting during a prolonged period of downtime where you can get your xp back as the prophecy expires

[fierce star]

ah shit i don't have five dots in one of the

prophecy abilities

okay fuck it i'm dropping artifact armor, fuck silken armor, all my homies hate silken armor

[bleak hazel]

you don't need that, Rival sucks at prophecy

nice to have though

bluesid is definitely picking up a prophecy specialty soon

[fierce star]

I don't need it but I want and I should probably invest some in Lore anyway

dropping the artifact armor'll let me get occult to 5 and two dots in lore

which, uh.

um.

Officially puts tis character at 15/15 bp spent on abilities.

[marsh garden]

🎉

[buoyant summit]

@fierce star how familiar are you with Destiny lore lmao

Because I've figured out what Mountebank's dear old dad was like

<XD

[fierce star]

Bomb Logic > Sword Logic bit I stan for trans men who conquer all known reality to try to feed some very hungry worms and then becomes a gun

[marsh garden]

https://theonyxpath.com/riders-from-the-sunless-lands-preview-2/

[velvet raft]

Oh snap

The blade seeks out blood: it adds the value of the highest wound penalty of any non-trivial character in the scene to its base damage, Overwhelming value, and as dice to its decisive damage, maximum four
Incredible. Would be absolutely terrifying if this were a Brawl weapon

[marsh garden]

...does non-trivial character include yourself

[velvet raft]

Yes

[marsh garden]

in that case, i think it still applies with DMW

because the first clause should be ability-agnostic?

and VAE is similarly broad

because neither of them directly modifies ability rolls

[velvet raft]

I'm always a little bit unclear on the intent with things like that, but at the same time kinda feel combos of that nature should be treated conservatively

It's also a hella good attunement bonus normally

[marsh garden]

true

but still, there are other general benefits in both Dark Messiah's Wrath and Void Avatar Embodiment

like the intimacy juicing and ignoring wound penalties on influence

i think it counts

but yeah it's a cracked benefit

can't wait to reforge this into a lance

[velvet raft]

The evocations ain't exactly bad either

[marsh garden]

sky phalanx is fucking hilarious as well

moving is a flurry

[velvet raft]

If a victim’s effective wound penalty ever exceeds his Stamina while suffering from this effect, he begins to suffer one level of lethal damage per turn instead.
God that's so funny

High-pressure bloodsplosion

[marsh garden]

it's peak

this one is goated

[velvet raft]

Infinite Crimson Waves Dance letting you potentially do a self-fueling attack against someone who has neglected their ox-bodies is very amusing

Characters who are damaged by this attack are knocked prone and driven back one range band, and their blood rushes to join the tide: any damaged character with a wound penalty also suffers one level of unavoidable lethal decisive damage.
Sanguinarch tech

[marsh garden]

bloody omen promise goes pretty hard

[velvet raft]

I love the blood tidal wave move

Dark crimson clouds gather overhead, and blood starts raining down out to medium range of the wielder. This imposes a −2 penalty to ranged attacks as well as Perception rolls based on vision.
Stormcaller but goth XD

[marsh garden]

yeah

hmm

[velvet raft]

... tbh as someone who's not the biggest fan of stormcaller's evocations, with some slight adaptation these could feel tremendously good as replacements

[marsh garden]

so violet bier is a gimme here

[velvet raft]

Is it ever, ye

[marsh garden]

not seeing a ton of non-Brawl tech for wound penalties in abyssals, but

[velvet raft]

Nobody tell @wise ocean about this terrifying artifact greatsword that seems custom-made for VBOS

[marsh garden]

medicine apoc

with crimson waves dance

[velvet raft]

Oooooo

[marsh garden]

and bloody omen promise

[velvet raft]

That's a fun thought

[marsh garden]

you're increasing the wound penalty every time

[velvet raft]

jfc

That's a hell of a combo

[marsh garden]

letting you trigger the reflexive withering attacks and the reflexive threatens

even against beeflords with a trillion HLs or 5-OBT sids with 0s and then death

[velvet raft]

Medicine apocalyptic, VBOS, and this thing ... sounds like a fun setup, too

[marsh garden]

you can flavor or reforge it as a comically oversized scalpel, even

[velvet raft]

True!

As the blood wave recedes, the wielder stands framed by wings of blood, Red Revel lengthened and strengthened by accrued gore. For the rest of the scene, Red Revel gains +1 Accuracy, +2 Damage, +1 Defense, and +1 Overwhelming. Additionally, the wielder may hover at short range above the ground, ignoring ground-based difficult terrain and other obstacles. When she increases a non trivial character’s wound penalty or reduces a battle group’s Size, she heals one non-aggravated health level.
God damn

[marsh garden]

World-Sweeping Scarlet Tide is also pretty jacked

unblockable withering against everyone in a medium cone

[velvet raft]

This is one of those artifacts that makes me want to play it

[marsh garden]

autoprones and deals lethal

same

[velvet raft]

FWIW, this may not count as an "appropriate weapon" for infirmity-inflicting gesture

So I'm not sure that works

The Abyssal makes one of the following gambits with
(Dexterity + Medicine). This is usually an unarmed
attack, but it can also use needles and other weapons
with the Subtle tag.
Since this is how the charm starts

[marsh garden]

ahhhh fuck

tragic

[velvet raft]

Ye

Tangentially related: so I guess this is the Dr. Gregory House charm

[marsh garden]

pfft

honestly, i wish abyssal medicine just

had literally zero ways to help people

other than "i dunno, i can cut off your arm and put a skeleton arm there"

remove all of their solar med

[velvet raft]

In fairness, they get a certain amount of ability to help people in ways that are awful for everyone else

[marsh garden]

true! but i want it to be an ability that completely plays to type

[velvet raft]

Like "I can inflict diseases I've cured"

Or "I can cure your disease but leave you contagious"

[marsh garden]

fair

[velvet raft]

... man I'm so unbelievably psyched for the next session of mortalgame

[marsh garden]

heh

i'm glad

[fierce star]

hell yeah hype

get hyped stay hype

[velvet raft]

The party is:

• a lesser prince of a demon-blooded dynasty, searching for his family's mythical flying barque
• a ledaal sorcerer who was supposed to be the golden child of their branch family until they didn't exalt, and whose siblings are running the wyld hunt we're part of
• a nellens dynast who ran away from everyone having absolutely no expectations for her to go local in the south become a desert guide, played by me (also she knew the ledaal in high school and they did not get along)
• a criminal fixer who has wormed their way into the confidences of the wyld hunt but who may be out of his depth
• the honorable leader of a mercenary company whose services have been acquired by said fixer

[marsh garden]

that dynamic with your nellens and ladaal sounds incredible

absolute most scumfuck bastard sniping at each other

[velvet raft]

What the other player and I kinda figured out is that one of them has every expectation of being important and didn't achieve that, and the other had absolutely no credible expectations of being important and has been trying her best to avoid that

Also: I have a minor intimacy for the prince and a major intimacy for the prince's sand-skiff

[marsh garden]

oh gk

based on the description

i know exactly what a current wielder of red revel looks like

[fierce star]

I am a sucker for any sort of House Nellens PC

a good 70% of my dynasts are Nellens (and 20% are cynis)

And I will forever point out that the Nellens mon is the Eclipse caste mark, do with that as you will

[marsh garden]

had to find the image, @velvet raft THIS MOTHERFUCKER

[velvet raft]

Oh my god

You're right

[marsh garden]

it's not a perfect fit

but look at this man

[velvet raft]

It's him

[marsh garden]

this is an Abyssal with some mutations

wielding red revel

[velvet raft]

John Redrevel