Invade heaven: no gods only queens
#Exalted
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nova yew
Invade heaven: no gods only queens
Nooooo
buoyant summit
Usurpation 2: Here There Be Dragons
velvet raft
I think there might be an image of the Division of Journeys's headquarters boat hanging around
In the sids book
buoyant summit
Sorcerous MA charms being priced as spells hurts lmao
velvet raft
For some reason I had not realized that needles are thrown weapons, meaning there's yet another SMA which can be used with Unweaving Method
coral wraith
Sorcerous MA charms being priced as spells hurts lmao
wait, why? You can also purchase them at your Charm costs, it's not "must buy them as spells"
coral wraith
Also they cost da same if you have occult favoured anyway, no?
wise ocean
I think it's because they might differ in XP costs instead of BP?
coral wraith
They don't unless you're a Deeb not using Flat XP
wise ocean
amusingly enough midura is a deeb not using flat XP, iirc
buoyant summit
I am this
My MA is 8, spells are 10
but yeah if it's can and not must ayyyy lmao
velvet raft
I think I imagined it, actually
nova yew
Aw
velvet raft
There is some art scattered around the Yu-Shan chapter of sids, though
nova yew
That is indeed true
fierce star
Hmm. So here's a query/thought for people. Would a campaign pitch that starts with a mortal with a big idea hiring a bunch of exalts to work for him to help him fulfill it (in this case, say, finding a first age ruin and establishing a new city there to bring prosperity to all creation) always eventually lead to the mortal being sidelined due to the nature of exalted verses mortals? It certain would have been so in ex2, but
wise ocean
depends on how chill the exalts are
south horizon
^
I legit had a campaugn idea that was this
exceot the adventure was a Wyld zone that suddenly appeared
fierce star
One can assume player buy-in to make it work, true
south horizon
burbye it depends onnwhat the mortal has to bring to the table
and vice versa, how and if that conflicts with the group
and whether they're willing to face consequences if they just
bully the guy out
If exalts want to overshadow a mortal
there is precious little the mortal.can do about it
fierce star
well, due to having been bathing in frostpunk lately, the general idea is 'a mortal has found a map to a first age ruin in the far, far north almost to the pole of air that has untold riches inside it'. One could go 'well, he memorized the map and then burned it', but enough social charms can overcome even a WP10, wits 5, integrity 5 + specialty mortal
tulip folio
Hopeful Editorial Insight
Cost: —; Mins: Manipulation 3, Essence 1
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: None
The Wanderer is less concerned about what is true and what could be true. This wishful thinking becomes reality as creation itself is convinced that her version of events sounds better. She finds herself unconsciously stepping aside from deadly blows and can evade capture easily by slipping through a convenient doorway.
The Wanderer gains the following benefits:
-She may substitute Manipulation for Dexterity when calculating her Evasion.
-She may use (Manipulation + [Socialize, Presence or Athletics]) when rolling to disengage, withdraw or perform a test of speed to escape. Her appearance adds bonus dice to these checks.
-She may withdraw regardless of distance to foes.
Sidebar: Re-Engaging
If you are intending to return to combat after withdrawing, you are not withdrawing. You are repositioning or attempting to obtain stealth. Use the normal rules for that. Withdraw is purely for characters attempting to actively leave the combat permanently.
Hmm...this is a lot of boost to withdraw but also Withdraw Is Very Bad.
south horizon
at work so can't elaborate
tulip folio
Yeah, I'd just Talk To The Players
south horizon
^^
very easy way to make a mortal useful
"I have all the money and connections"
Another way to do it is just tie everyone to the character si they din't want to ivershadow him
fierce star
hmm
damnit
now I have to give a victory to my boyfriend lol
(he and I have had long discussions over me over-valuing player freedom of choice in game verses 'just tell them to not do things that fuck the campaign')
south horizon
mood
tulip folio
@tranquil badge, you win
south horizon
Funny thing to me is this situation isn't even a "anti-player freedom" scenario
just framing things so the characters people bring into it arrn't the ones who'll over throw the narrative or have reason in place to not throw the narrative off
fierce star
there's also just 'do mortals matter' as a question, though admittedly in ex3 it has much less of a dedicated answer than in ex2 lol
tulip folio
2e had 'Does the mortal have the personality you want? No? Turn them off then on again' as an actual mechanic.
Dream, my Worst Solar, had that charm combo.
fierce star
She could literally strip a heroic mortal of heroic status, rewrite them from the ground up, then re-heroic them
tulip folio
She was The Worst
fierce star
This is why the usurpation was justified
lament owl
Dream, my Worst Solar, had that charm combo.
missed the commas and read "Dream My Worst Solar" as one proper noun at first
as if that was thtis charecter's full name
tulip folio
This is why the usurpation was justified
I'm still SHOCKED the other PCs in that game never called her out.
fierce star
you did get into some arguements iwth the night caste
tulip folio
missed the commas and read "Dream My Worst Solar" as one proper noun at first
...
Nah. She was Soaring Dream, an Airfolk doctor and teacher. She was firmly anti-slavery but very pro 'people doing everything I say because they recognise I'm smart and should be listened to from some sort of exalted position of authority'
lament owl
Classic
fierce star
remember when she limit broke and one of the NPCs was going to leave the party's caravan over something Dream did and she just rewrote them into being okay with everything Dream ever or would ever do
good times
tulip folio
Horrible creature
3e Solars: "We still have no charms tagged psyche!"
Everyone else: "Because you refuse to tag clear psyche effects."
fierce star
god, ex3 dream coudl actually be a sorcerer unlike ex2 dream
tulip folio
3e Dream: "I got this great deal on sorcery from Mara."
fierce star
lmao
tulip folio
2e dream was funny for being Occult favoured but unable to manage sorcery.
Because sorcery requires introspection
velvet raft
Solar psyche affects are also creepy in a way many other psyche effects aren’t
tranquil badge
<@179316486563823616>, you win
:3
tulip folio
Solar psyche affects are also creepy in a way many other psyche effects aren’t
Joo Dee Voice: "There are no psyche effects in the Solar Charmset..."
marsh garden
remember when she limit broke and one of the NPCs was going to leave the party's...
holy shit
fierce star
Horrible person! Very fun to have as a PC
velvet raft
Joo Dee Voice: "There are no psyche effects in the Solar Charmset..."
More than that … a lot of psyche effects are fairly direct, involving illusions or compulsions or the like
next delta
huh, Solar Linguistics has the most Pysche effects for them
tulip folio
Horrible person! Very fun to have as a PC
Dream would totally recreate Deus' custom charm and you'd notice no changes to her mindset.
fierce star
100%
tulip folio
3e Soaring Dream would have a defining intimacy of Love to Soaring Dream.
nova yew
keeping this around as a line
velvet raft
Do we know if the Heptagram teaches unexalted kids?
nova yew
i think it does
as much as any secondary school does
which is to say
not often
but i imagine that the heptagram has a more sensible teaching track for a nonexalted child than the others do since like
sorcery doesnt require you to have personal motes or anything
sorcerous talent is sorcerous talent
velvet raft
Danke
I bet it's especially possible to get in if the Bureau of Destiny identifies one as a future sid at a young age and makes arrangements, come to think of it
prisma sun
"Hello children, I am your substitute martial arts instructor for the day. Today's lesson will be about bullying and how to prevent it."
Immediately dropkicks a teenager
velvet raft
It is noted that Sid instructors do come by the Heptagram, so
prisma sun
tulip folio
"We're training an important skill today...dodge!"
buoyant summit
It is noted that Sid instructors do come by the Heptagram, so
My Deeb Not Yet A Heaven's Dragon's master is at the Heptagram lmao
She proceeded to teach the older version of them in Voy's game Flying Guillotine
buoyant summit
"We're training an important skill today...dodge!"
"If you can Dodge Unweaving you can Dodge an arrow."
fierce star
one of my deebs exalted at the house of bells
she was a Nellens, they didn't expect her to exalt, but she was an excellent tactician and logistician
and then she got bullied one time too many and set a good portion of the school on fire when they tried to stuff her in a locker again
nova yew
As a god, I may not be able to obliterate people with exalted charms
…but I sure can create a plushie in yu Shan and give it to someone
velvet raft
Just noticed that since Meteor Hammers have the Thrown tag, Unweaving Method is currently usable with every SMA other than PAOC
That's pretty cool, especially since Thrown has some great versatile charms
Oh and I guess Albicant Sepulcher
bleak hazel
kind of early but not unheard of
next delta
The typical age is like... 14?
bleak hazel
let me check when Mnemon exalted because I think she was unusually young
oh no she was normal, age 15
might Exalt as young as nine, though the early teen
years are far more common. No one on record older
than twenty has ever Exalted as a Chosen of the
Dragons, and past the age of seventeen the odds worsen with every passing year. ```so yes, 11 is perfectly normal
next delta
Oh wow, that's a pretty big range for magical puberty
A nine year old with exalted powers sounds like a nightmare tbh
bleak hazel
I don't have any deeb PCs but one of my Deeb NPCs was this mortal bureaucrat who finished school after being generally sneered at by his exalted peers and then exalted right at the end of the range at 20 + six months
bleak hazel
so he's been exalted for like, three weeks
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Awkward
buoyant summit
so he's been exalted for like, three weeks
This poor fuckin bastard lmao
but yeah I'm imagining Midura Exalted earlier than average due to 1. the nature of their mother's treatments and rituals and etc to become pregnant with them specifically attempting to have a Deeb child and 2. they were treated brutally by Realm standards, at least I think
'Leave your ten year old child out in a snowstorm because they fucked up one (1) kata, slightly' kind of brutal
bleak hazel
it is strongly hinted that a) fancy rituals and tinctures and so on to Make Your Kid Exalt are a common scam and b) fuckin' none of them do a damn thing because come on, it's Exaltation
so this works
buoyant summit
lol
Sadly Ledaal Shayuur learned nothing from brutalizing her youngest child
Because her youngest child became Deeb Damian Wayne (who I cannot believe I did not think of for their inspo sheet)
i.e. a kind of
comedically capable literal fucking child
Knew Even Blade Form (the charm, not even just the martial art in general) at 14 kind of capable
bleak hazel
late blooming deeb has 5 dots in bureaucracy
the impressive part is that he had them last month, too
bleak hazel
he has all the neuroses
buoyant summit
...yep
bleak hazel
and a tiny bit of a power high that gets brutally crushed every so often when he sees all his old schoolfriends loaded up with 10000 pounds of jade and fifteen titles
next delta
There are Realm deebs without all of the neuroses?
bleak hazel
if he does avoid death by Agent 47-style implausible accident he is going to be so rich in like 30 years
next delta
and a tiny bit of a power high that gets brutally crushed every so often when he...
Bureaucracy 5 will narrow that gap relatively fast at least
bleak hazel
because he got the education for "guy who has to actually do grunt work" rather than "guy who gets to give orders"
and as such his larceny dot count is rapidly catching up with bureaucracy as he figures out how to use this
he is strongly inspired by Blorbo From My Profession, Alves dos Reis
Before departing to Angola, Reis forged himself a diploma from Oxford University's "Polytechnic School of Engineering", a department that did not exist. He supposedly studied engineering sciences, geology, geometry, physics, metallurgy, pure mathematics, paleography, electric and mechanical engineering and applied mechanics.
next delta
He quickly forged checks from his bank account in New York and bought the company with them. While the checks were travelling by sea (a voyage that took weeks) he transferred the money in the company's treasury to his bank account and thus the checks were cleared even though he did not have sufficient liquidity at the beginning.
Incredible
bleak hazel
@astral turret can attest that I was genuinely delighted to find one of his fraudulently printed banknotes on display at the British Museum the other day
he got the same printworks to do them via complicated shenanigans, so they were identical to the real ones because they were the real ones, he faked the authorisation to have them printed rather than the notes themselves
next delta
Being discovered not because of anything to do with his scheme directly but because people thought his bank might be some rival nation's front is pretty funny
bleak hazel
classic case of getting caught for the cover-up rather than the crime, yes
which is quite common for major frauds
if he'd taken the money and fucked off he might well have been totally fine
he might well have been totally fine anyway, they only got him properly because by sheer luck they saw two banknotes with identical numbers right next to each other
limpid badge
infernal charms are funny
velvet raft
I love them so much
tulip folio
I should do up my Infernal's intimacies.
south horizon
same
tulip folio
My infernal is squeamish when it comes to blood. Which is a bit of a limitation. XD
Minor
Blood(Creeped Out)
Only a minor but still not exactly the most dignified Infernal situation.
south horizon
i think.my main Abyssal is my most fucked creature
Chose to give up all.of his personal agency and just becomr a weapon fir hia deathlord because that makes life a lot easier
my three infernals are 'Outcaste faeblood who wants to be kind but gets it betrayed often', "Former Guild merchant who bankrupted a significant amount of the guild due to a mid life crisis that he was spending so much od life being a bastard middle man for other people", and 'Black Sheep demonblood of a Sijan who got roped into a graverobbing scheme that went very badly'
Viopence Bound(the guild guy) is easily the biggest bastard
this was using some 3e infernals homebrew of isidoros, mardukth, and ta'ako
so i'd need to tweak him a bit if i ever brought him.back
but the vibe i went with iz "Rockstar of hell, but specifically one where the lifestyle caught up with him"
south horizon
Isn’t Mardukth a Neverborn now?
ye, but people made fan sets for him
and the ride capstone is a Mardukth reference
so technically, u can make homebrew charms for dead Primordials
and ye, he is
I actually made an artifact (or thenstart of one) on the vibes of being an echo of mardukth lookong for a new wielder to hold the name
tulip folio
Defining
'If I have enough power, nothing can hurt me again' (Principal)
'One bad turn deserves another' (Principle)
Major
Shit Stirring(Sadistic Joy)
Spellcraft(Innocent Joy)
Nobles(Scorn)
Mara(Terrified Hatred)
Minor
Blood(Creeped Out)
Slaves(Suppressed Sympathy)
Still needs work but a starting set
south horizon
noice
ohnhey
another person wuth a mara connection
yeah my Sijan girl is her student :^)
Her past life was a big, big friend and partner to the demon, and Mara wants to have fun again
velvet raft
Did I share Exposition’s intimacies
south horizon
i don't think so
next delta
Ironic
south horizon
tulip folio
yeah my Sijan girl is her student :^)
My infernal is a mortal from Malfeas and encountered her when she was still mortal. She saw how many people DON'T survive her training and it left her a bit 'Nope nope nope!'
south horizon
understandable mood
Azra's bit is trying to remain good in thr face of two corrupting influences
Mara and Soulfarer
techbically three now as an infernal, as infernals have vivid recollections of their past life
velvet raft
Not super complex but I think I did an okay job with the hot-bloodedness.
tulip folio
Hmm...infernal dodge or melee for a spellcaster focused character's defence?
limpid badge
Angry Parries or Laughing Dodges….
tulip folio
Staff is classic for a witch but also dodge is good for being a dickhead...
tulip folio
Ascendant
Caste: Integrity, Lore, Occult, Performance, Presence
Favoured: Stealth, Larceny, (Dodge or Melee), Craft, Athletics.
Perhaps for Witch Classic?
velvet raft
I like Infernal Dodge
Somehow I never considered doing staff of power defense with melee charms
But if you’re just doing defense I think dodge is a better investment
next delta
I like how you eventually become default immaterial for Infernal Dodge
lament owl
Abyssal dodge let’s you turn into an evil cloud
next delta
I think there are multiple ways to turn into an evil cloud 🤔
coral wraith
if you manage to score an Initiative Shift, do you also get the Initiative Break bonus?
lament owl
Legendary Size
prisma sun
I just blueskyed that
lament owl
Its goin around
limpid badge
you get to make some cooked people with infernals
she’s gonna eat a bunch of immaculates
mighty rover
yaaaaaaaay
south horizon
if you manage to score an Initiative Shift, do you also get the Initiative Break...
i believe so yes
mighty rover
is Santa a Lunar or what
south horizon
Santa is a Sidereal
mighty rover
i see
limpid badge
yaaaaaaaay
Ligier’s perfect god devouring babygirl
buoyant summit
she’s gonna eat a bunch of immaculates
Are you playing her on the voyserver?
Oh wait this is Arby I think
So yes
limpid badge
yes
prisma sun
she has the meats
tulip folio
she’s gonna eat a bunch of immaculates
I should find some of those programs to make my infernal. XD
Im away from books. What's the Infernal 'throw energy ranged attacks' charm?
Like essence pulse Cannon and crypt bolt
limpid badge
I should find some of those programs to make my infernal. XD
It’s just picrew
tulip folio
Fair
wise ocean
Im away from books. What's the Infernal 'throw energy ranged attacks' charm?
I'm not sure if they have one, their equivalent seems to be Lore: literally rip a guy into little pieces with telekinesis
buoyant summit
Im away from books. What's the Infernal 'throw energy ranged attacks' charm?
Sandstrike Blast, Survival 3 E1
wise ocean
Oh, never mind me lmao
buoyant summit
merry arch
pocketsand
tulip folio
Ah, survival is not a strength of this character.
I suppose she could use mind hand manipulation for offensive stuff.
south horizon
Ye, either works, tho Mind Hand can't benny from combat charms innately
wise ocean
Mind-Hand can build a quite effective combat suite over a couple Essence levels for what it is, I think
south horizon
oh definitely
it just(obviously) isn't gonna be equivalent to a true combat suite of equivalent investment
wise ocean
Natch, but Combat Guy isn't going to have sorcery either
buoyant summit
God I'm enjoying my concept of a Heptagram grad Shikari
Learned exactly one spell
To do fucking martial arts with it
tulip folio
Ye, either works, tho Mind Hand can't benny from combat charms innately
Yeah, though it seems to have a good bit. It's not missing too much.
south horizon
mhmm
south horizon
Natch, but Combat Guy isn't going to have sorcery either
I mean, he totally could
Exalted isn't a setting where "good at sorcery" is inherently seperate from "good at fighting"
tulip folio
I should finish off that martial art I was doing that has mind hand manipulation as one of the form weapons
Vivisection of Thought From
Cost: 8m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Simple
Keywords: Form
Duration: One scene
Prerequisite Charms: <Some Intro Charms>
One must not merely achieve mastery in the body but mastery in the mind. The martial artist's mindscape extends outwards, forming into spheres that circle her in perfect orbit.
The martial artist gains the following benefits:
-She floats in the air, ignoring Difficult Terrain and adding +Lore to Movement actions.
-Opponents reduce their Soak and Hardness against her attacks by how much their Temporary Willpower is lower than their Permanent Willpower.
-When she performs a Grapple gambit, it uses an opposed (Intelligence + [Lore or Occult]) for the control roll and ignores Legendary Size.
Special Activation Rules: Whenever a character in the scene spends 3 or more Willpower in a single tick, the martial artist may reflexively enter this Form.
I was doing martial arts based on Yozi
I finished the Isidoros one but the SWLIHN one is still in development.
wise ocean
Could be cool to go off of SWLIHN's hierarchy focus by looking into synergy with the Presence charmtree too
it's half cult half KNEEL
tulip folio
Potentially. Presence shows up a lot in the Isidoros one but that's not a terrible skill to overlap.
wise ocean
also, @bleak hazel check this out (if you ever plan on making craftinfernal)
tulip folio
Sky-Twisting Boar Form
Cost: 8m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Simple
Keywords: Form
Duration: One scene
Prerequisite Charms: Event Horizon Grip, Soulless Steel Rebuke
The martial artist flexes her impressive musculature, aligning her internal and external energy into an unbreakable body.
She gains the following benefits:
-The martial artist adds (Presence) to her Soak. Against attacks that are not enhanced by magic, she also increases her soak by (Higher of 3 or Essence).
-She gains Hardness equal to (Stamina + Presence). Against attacks that are not enhanced by magic, she also increases this Hardness by (Higher of 3 or Essence).
-When she moves, she may reflexively make Feats of Demolition to burst through any object that impedes her movement. If she succeeds, her movement is not impeded. If she fails, her movement stops.
-She gains an automatic success on Movement Actions and Feats of Demolition.
Special activation rules: Whenever the martial artist is hit by a non-Gambit attack and does not take damage, she may reflexively activate Sky-Twisting Boar Form.
The Isidoros form
It's very good against battlegroups as battlegroups don't use charms
Mana-Shattering Thews
Cost: —; Mins: Martial Arts 5, Essence 3
Type: Permanent
Keywords: Terrestrial, Mastery
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: Sky-Twisting Boar Form
The martial artist is no more halted by the work of sorcerers than she is by soldiers or architects. With the bioccultic tensions of each muscle cord, they shatter spellcraft and tear open gates long sealed.
The Martial Artist can Counterspell and Distort Spells with (Stamina + Presence). For this purpose, the martial artist is considered to have Celestial Circle Sorcery and knowledge of all spells. If she is in Sky-Twisting Boar form, she gains an automatic success on such actions.
Terrestrial: The Martial Artist is considered to have Terrestrial Circle Sorcery for this purpose.
Mastery: At Essence 5, the Martial Artist is considered to have Solar Circle Sorcery for this purpose.
Still pleased with this.
wise ocean
extremely funny NO tech
tulip folio
Stamina + Presence was my general dicepool for the style's tricks as it's about unbreakable body and irresistible gravity
coral wraith
also, <@267391246509670400> check this out (if you ever plan on making craftinfe...
arrow of slaying, hot damn
tulip folio
Iron Bands of Thought
Coast 3(?)m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Supplemental
Keywords: Decisive-only
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Vivisection of Thought From
She Who Lives In Her Name understands that one must disassemble a foe not only physically but mentally, letting them know deep in their soul that they are defeated.
This supplements a Decisive Savage or Slam. Instead of rolling damage normally, roll (Half Intelligence, Rounded Up). For each success, the target loses 1 Temporary Willpower. Turns of control sacrificed this way for a Slam add 1 die per turn sacrificed to the dice rolled.
Shout out to making MAs
trying to design a SMA myslf rn
focusing on theme before i attempt mechanics
buoyant summit
I wanna make a sword MA
but I feel like I dunno enough about the system to make it so
tulip folio
I made a sword sma but it's designed around doing weird shit with cutting. As you do with a SMA.
Liar's Tongue Removal
Cost: 5m, 1wp; Mins: Martial Arts 2, Essence 3
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Clash, Decisive-only
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Cutting the Strings
There is no secret that will remain such forever. The most careful of lies and the most brilliant of schemes will one day be found out and their price paid in blood.
The stylist can use this charm when affected by Distract Gambit or an action that is resisted by Resolve or Guile (Such as an Influence action or a God-Scourging Wail). She may clash it with a Decisive attack, regardless of distance. If the action occurred outside of combat, the stylist may immediately roll Join Battle to generate an initiative for this attack, drawing a weapon reflexively.
If she wins, she may choose to either deal damage as normal, or to cut an offending language of the stylist's choice from the target's mouth. If she chooses to cut a language, the target becomes unable to comprehend or speak that language as a Crippling effect. The Exalted and other characters with Exalted healing may make a (Charisma + Linguistics) roll at difficulty (Essence +3) each day to recover from this effect. The difficulty drops by 1 each day.
Heart-Killing Blade
Cost: 5m, 1wp; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 3
Type: Simple
Keywords: Psyche
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Hungry Lethe Call
Love dies, hate fades and even the bleakest despair will one day be no more. Catching the edge of their opponent's mind upon their blade, they bring death to that emotion.
The martial artist rolls a (Perception + Martial Arts) attack against the Resolve of a character in Close Range.
On a success, she cleaves an intimacy of her choice they hold in twain. It is immediately lost and cannot be regained for the rest of the story. The affected character loses initiative equal to the value of the intimacy, which the martial artist does not gain.
The affected character can spend 2 Willpower to resist losing this intimacy, or 1 Willpower if it was a Defining Intimacy, though they still lose the initiative.
Making MAs is both easy and hard
buoyant summit
lmao
south horizon
easy in that you don't need to make them that comprehensive
buoyant summit
Easy to throw stuff together, hard to make balanced
south horizon
Hard innthat getting the vibe right in X charms is a bitch
Yeah balance is a major factor
you may have noticed that very few MAs have slashing swords as a Form weapon, for example
or that many Reaper Daiklaves
the culprit?
buoyant summit
Single Point!!!!
south horizon
buoyant summit
YOOOOOOUUUUUUUU FUCKEEEEEEEEERRRR!!!!
south horizon
yeeeerp
buoyant summit
The only other one I can think of that uses slashing swords is Even Blade
buoyant summit
tru
Oh yea, does Battles have an MA yet?
I know Serenities is getting theirs in the new Sid book
VBOS is
VBOS
Does Secrets have theirs either???
south horizon
the companion is when all that comes
buoyant summit
Ahhhh
fierce star
More ma than your body has room for
buoyant summit
lmao
chilly sluice
Oh yea, does Battles have an MA yet?
I assume Crimson Panoply is theirs
Which will also be in the companion book
prisma sun
There's nothing saying that though far as I can see in the exigents book
south horizon
i'd have to double check but i think a god at least needs to be partially involved even for stolen ones
The other reasoning would be Why would they want to
Because for most spirits, exigence carries an extreme risk of a true death
or if not death, than a intense weakening
Hmmm, I personally think the idea is funky and kinda against the intent of the splat over all.
They are the chosen of the little Gods, even funky patchwork ones
I'd say a God, willingly or not, is needed to for it to work at all
and another reason to think that it won't qork for Demons specifically is that it's basically a fraction of Sol's essence, which I can't see reacting well with a CoD
Yeah like, textually, nothing says that a Elemental or other spirit can't spark it but also, everything about the exigence makes it clear it's designed to work with gods ij mind
No one else
I feel if that was an idea they wanted to put out, they'd have a mention of it somewhere
tulip folio
I'd allow it. If the Censor of The East wants to save the East at cost to himself that's legit.
south horizon
For me, i'd do so with a caveat that it's always some kind of patchwork and another god would need to assist
tulip folio
I mean there is another God assisting. UCS
south horizon
Not what i mean
As written, the UCS only gives them to gods asking in prayer and that aspect, personally, i def would never touch
tulip folio
I'm just not really sure what it adds to go 'Elemental Dragons are not important enough to do it'
south horizon
It's not about not being important enough
Exaltation works by imbuing humans with a God's power. That's true of pretty much every canon exalted.
Infernals.and Abyssals get corrupted by ghostly.and demonic influences
but the core is still a Solar exaltation
Cutting the god out of the process feels off to me
tulip folio
There are multiple exaltations that don't come from gods. Alchemicals and Dragonblooded are right there. The elemental dragons were not gods, though what they WERE varies by book.
lament owl
Primordials are closer to demons than gods I thought
tulip folio
Primordials are not gods.
south horizon
Primordials aren't closer to demons, they just kinda are
lament owl
Well I dunno becoming a yozi seems pretty traumatic maybe there is a beyond political difference between how they and auctotan work
I only got into the game in 3e
tulip folio
Autocthon's souls are machine spirits rather than demons but a chunk of that is political.
south horizon
but in any case, I just feel that it's funky to take the "Little God" part of exigents, The Chosen of the Little Gods
lament owl
There are multiple exaltations that don't come from gods. Alchemicals and Dragon...
One thing I did know is that the deebs came from the elemental dragons rather than Gaia directly
Which, I originally assumed were fetich souls of Gaia, but I also assumed all elementals were gaias equivalent to demons or machine spirits at first and it was later clarified to me that they aren’t
tulip folio
The dragons are different things to different writers.
Two books in the same edition won't agree on what they are
south horizon
Elementals are essentially just a formation of elemental essence, most being i think only sorta sapient
at least at first
I think in 3e thry're also material at base
prisma sun
They've been supremely uninterested in explaining the dragons because back when they were explaining everything too much they also didnt give a shit about dragonblooded lore
south horizon
They're stuck maintaining the elemenral.poles
where no one can really interface with them
prisma sun
UCS is in the pleasure dome and he can still do stuff
south horizon
Yeah, but he's not sacrificed to keep creation from falling apart
which is what I think the consensus is on what the Greater Dragons are doing?
hencebwhy geomancy leylines are called Dragonlines
lament owl
But also: I do think if anyone who isn’t a god could use a exigency, it would be a dragon/elemental
Like, the unconquered sun fw them right?
south horizon
elementals hold an
odd place on the celestial bureau totem pole
How much that effects the UCS, i dunno.
tulip folio
Tl:dr - Gods are racist
south horizon
^
lament owl
I was told that the reason lesser elemental dragons hold titles like Censor was because UCS gave that to them
prisma sun
Well, classist
Its more that they are very often the most powerful spirits in Creation
And you dont get censor jobs living in Heaven
south horizon
mhmm
in Creation being the operative word
or, well, phrase
They're the big bosses inntheir direction, but often have bigger bosses above them
nova yew
Its more that they are very often the most powerful spirits in Creation
well its also a little bit of racism cus elementals uniquely dont get like
essence modification from the celestial heirarchy
so theyre a slightly unique class from gods and there is some discrimination there
south horizon
I think that's more cause elementals have a weird like
nova yew
two spirits can be of equal skill but a god might get hired cus a god has a whole thing
south horizon
natural growth thing
nova yew
yeah
marsh garden
essence modification?
nova yew
yeah
lament owl
Its almost 3am for me but
I think elemental/dragon derived exigency could be neat, and if you wanna make it I would also encourage that
I’m mentally pondering corrupted dragon blooded and aquatic pre humans
nova yew
gods can swell up in essence if theyre promoted or lose a bunch if theyre demoted
south horizon
lil bit, ye
nova yew
censors bypass this by being the biggest motherfuckers around with a "i do what i want" pass given to them by the unconquered SUN
so the elemental god racism thing is like
honestly complicated in a way i find FASCINATING
i love it
nova yew
yeah
south horizon
was the best thing i read in Sids
nova yew
i love the bureau of seasons strike
a bunch of elementals and terrestrial gods banding together
south horizon
and Heaven had tonlistennbecauss one of rhe ones striking was
south horizon
THE GAWD DAMN AIR FORCE
nova yew
they tried to order the military to strike down the union
and uh
the military made up of elementals
chose not to strike the swarms of elementals
and then it became a WHOLE mess
lament owl
“The winter has not lifted… the gods must be enraged”
sidereal, breathing heavily “your telling me the elementals want a WHOLE BUREAU”
nova yew
this was before the solar purge too
the entirety of the first age noticing that winter hasnt stopped for like, ten years "yeah wow its horrible the heavens must be angry"
meanwhile the fucking strike-
prisma sun
Sids probably don't get a say in that outside of like
Actually yeah it probably didnt affect sids
At least so far as they could meaningfully do anything about it
prisma sun
They aren't * in charge* of the BoD and they dont have jurisdiction
south horizon
on account of everyone forgetting who they are
nova yew
"this terrible eternal winter, oh when shall the gods return their favor to us"
Meanwhile in heaven
"YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY WANT MORE PAY? AND LESS HOURS?"
south horizon
also
@prisma sun at least in the case of elementals, I may have egg on my face
looked up Miracles real quick, the Companionnto exigents
didn't have a direct lone about it
but one of the potential patrons listed was a Dryad, and another something called a dreamfly?
prisma sun
I see nothing saying a Demon can't yoink an exigency
nova yew
shit happens i guess
south horizon
indeed, though that would prob be very weird circumstances
so yeah, if a dryad is capable
prisma sun
The chosen of slaughter mentions that Siaka lady literally just brained another god and stole her exigent
south horizon
then inguess, technically, a demon could
Ye you cannjist nab them
demons are just not typically in nabbing range
tulip folio
Just take it and run
south horizon
om account of not being able to waltz into creation often
hence weird circumstances of a demon both being willing to suffer diminishment and being in the vicinity where they can grab one
Investiture is also a much easier option for them now
south horizon
mood
but yeah, I can't see many a demon who'd have the resources to grab something liek that would want to risk burning up in exigence over just making some deals
prisma sun
The bug guys who can forsee their death
south horizon
I don't think forseeingndeath means they're gonna be eager to go towards it
in fact the vibes seem quite the opposite
south horizon
fair
But yeah, demon exigency is technically possible but not something i'd prob go for at my tables
coral wraith
tomescu are rad as fuck
coral wraith
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vestal dew
Oh, I didn't realize he wasn't fond of Exalted.
tulip folio
Hmmm...pondering something. Mostly how sacrosanct zombie binding is. I was pondering a charm that can break spiritual bonds on someone (By default Psyche effects) but was pondering a key that let it shatter necromancer and sorcerer bindings on spirits and zombies. But that runs up against 'Defining intimacy of obedience that can't be chamged' so I'm a bit unsure.
marsh garden
what are the best ways for abyssals to avoid getting whammied? becoming the unfeeling shade definitely looks like The Option for mulching hostile intimacy generation, but are there any e1-2 charms anywhere that can protect positive intimacies at all, or is that not something abyssals are really uh. good at?
south horizon
Oh, I didn't realize he wasn't fond of Exalted.
it's mainly on the end of mechanics and layout if memory serves
south horizon
what are the best ways for abyssals to avoid getting whammied? becoming the unfe...
Abyssals are very much not incentivized to keep positive intimacies, yeah
so if u mean avoiding social fu, mainly high guile/resolve
marsh garden
yeah, i was just hoping to find any way of not eating shit and instantly losing all of my ties to my deathlord and circle
as soon as i engage with a single other exalt
marsh garden
?
marsh garden
i have no idea what resonance is, other than something in 2e
south horizon
Bleak Expiations and shit
it's functionally the same system, so i just use the two interchangably
but yeah, your Deathlord and circle can't just
slap the intimacies out of you
just by merit of the way the social system works
In order to effect a Major intimacy, they need to make use of a supporting Major intimacy to weaken your positive ones
and similar for Defining. minor ones i think you don't need to have a supporting intimacy to instill or weaken
And, in most cases, your Deathlord isn't going to punish you just for talking to another Exalt, nor is that going to make your Limit act up every time
marsh garden
i think you misread what i was looking for pretty hard
south horizon
Mayhaps
marsh garden
i said i didn't want to lose all of my ties to my DL & circle
south horizon
ah
marsh garden
from a solar or sid showing up and spamming social charms
south horizon
Then yeah, resolve, Charms, willpower
marsh garden
i may have gotten faulty impressions on how easily that's done, but it seemed that with medium-low resolve Charms can fuck you up once you're out of willpower
marsh garden
Then yeah, resolve, Charms, willpower
i know the main methods of defending, which is why i asked about charms :v
south horizon
That can happen
but it's one of those things where if ur going against a social spec amd your not a social spec, then ur in for a bad time if they get a foothold
south horizon
But u have tools to stop them from.gaining footholdsz the basic system being important firstline of defense
coral wraith
there's always option 2 (kill them really hard)
south horizon
^
if you feel.threatened, violence is always an answer
butbye, doing a quick look
before E2, not a lot
coral wraith
hello sidereal
hello abyssal
merciful guillotine motion
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south horizon
That being said
having decent resolve and a Solaroid integrity excellency goes a long way
But i also don't think it is terribly possible to get all of your intimacies for your deathlord and circle members wiped
within like
1 interaction
especially when you can use the strongest of social defenses
tulip folio
It really takes psyche effects to do that.
tulip folio
And Abyssals have resistance to psyche effect charms
Also: Iirc Abyssals have a pretty generic 'spend health instead of WP' integrity charm?
south horizon
Like if your circle and DL are major or defining intimacies
it is very difficult to get rid of them
coral wraith
Also: Iirc Abyssals have a pretty generic 'spend health instead of WP' integrity...
motes, but yeah
south horizon
and, as an Abyssal, you have the benefit that you don't get punished for acting against Positive intimacies
so if a solar or sid gets all buddy buddy with you
tulip folio
motes, but yeah
Huh, the 2e version was health. I always liked that. XD
south horizon
the Neverborn are a-okaynwith you turning around and shanking them
tulip folio
As the neverborn died before they surrendered
marsh garden
Huh, the 2e version was health. I always liked that. XD
there's an e2 charm that takes aggravated
but it's only about tasks
i was just hoping that i was missing something in like, presence or linguistics or socialize that'd be pre-e2
south horizon
mhmm, which are generally easier to get someone to do then weakening intimacies
marsh garden
for this and the "please stop instilling minor intimacies in me" one
south horizon
generally the best defense vs social is boosting your resolve/guile with intimacies and excellencies
Excellencies are, indeed, very good
like, if someone tries to weaken and intimacy, said intimacy supports the resistance
bleak hazel
if you have intimacy-removal tech, I generally find that + excellency is plenty
if you don't, Gloaming Soul is plenty if all you care about is keeping your existing intimacies
motes are cheap, WP is expensive
marsh garden
wp regens 1/day without charms to get more, yeah?
bleak hazel
yeah
south horizon
i'd say the chances of your running into a super social solar or sid that whammies the intimacies out of you without having a chance to just leave or attack them are low
bleak hazel
honestly if you have good base resolve, 1-2 intimacy charms and a lot of willpower you are totally fine
south horizon
you also get it for 2 dot stunts and upholding inthink definingnintimacies
bleak hazel
putting the social whammy on people is basically about hanging around a lot and steadily throwing instills and reads
even with charms
there are powers that let you go FUCK YOU WORK FOR ME but they are all hyperspecific and willpowerable
(besides Solar bullshit)
bleak hazel
if I wanted to make someone betray their friends in the span of exactly one scene, I wouldn't go for social magic, I'd go for God Ways
which is not the same thing at all
oh no I mean a different charm whose name I can't remember right now
south horizon
ah, mood
bleak hazel
it's like "spend 3wp on each of 3 consecutive days to negate this influence, until then it doesn't get decision pointed" which makes it Kilgrave voice for anything short-term
marsh garden
it's like "spend 3wp on each of 3 consecutive days to negate this influence, unt...
isn't that a sid charm?
i know i saw a sid charm that works like that
south horizon
Could be
bleak hazel
no, nobody else gets anywhere near that level of bullshit
south horizon
might not be 3wp per day
bleak hazel
Sids have Cash and Murder Games but that requires 1-5 willpower to be spent over an undefined period to stop a minor intimacy strengthening
marsh garden
ahh
bleak hazel
Solars have "fuck you betray your friends, no you cannot stop this"
marsh garden
cash and murder games was the one i was thinking of, though, thanks
south horizon
But yeah, hope the assuages your fears about getting socialed into betraitoring your circle
bleak hazel
Sids are actually relatively light on compelling-voice raw power social charms compared to everyone else
they have a lot of really good but quite specific nudge tech instead
if you want to do the Dune voice you want a Lunar or one of the Solaroids
tulip folio
Sids are more 'Vizier Chat(Secret)' than Killgrave
tulip folio
Alchs have some nasty social stuff but it's Psyche so it can be resisted appropriately.
bleak hazel
marsh garden
jesus fuck
bleak hazel
"this charm costs 1/3 of your willpower but in a really fuckass way, get 2/3 of your willpower as non-charm sux, also it's impossible to negate for at least a day"
tulip folio
'Pay 9 willpower over 3 days or fuck you'
bleak hazel
fuck you die
if I was asked to make a broken social character I would just take this, strap it to an oratory performance character and have Kilgrave at chargen
tulip folio
Alchs do actually have a 'Instantly strip you of a defining intimacy' but it's psyche and the top of their manipulation tree.
Alch manipulation is very 'Do you have a licence for that intimacy'
bleak hazel
yeah, this is the only case in existence of "press button to instawin any social"
about the only thing SBMP can't do is command people to kill themselves, since that's inapplicable
tulip folio
I like the alch one that INVERTS a minor negative intimacy as you show someone the good in something they dislike.
But they can't dislike it THAT much
marsh garden
Alchs do actually have a 'Instantly strip you of a defining intimacy' but it's p...
and alchs have no ways to skip essence, yeah?
tulip folio
Yeah, alchs have to play fair.
bleak hazel
I know 3e has tried to heavily deemphasise the Exalt Death Squad brainworm of 2e, mostly regarding Sids but also the other splats
tulip folio
I think the closest to mind control magic outside of solars is the spell Peacock Shadow Eyes. Which IS hypnotism but also not that hard to resist.
bleak hazel
but if someone's running around with Soul-Bracing Momentous Power + Memory Reweaving, what you do is you get the lads together
and then you kill them
sorry, Solar Kilgrave, this is just too bullshit
tulip folio
Liar's Tongue Removal
Cost: 5m, 1wp; Mins: Martial Arts 2, Essence 3
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Clash, Decisive-only
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Cutting the Strings
There is no secret that will remain such forever. The most careful of lies and the most brilliant of schemes will one day be found out and their price paid in blood.
The stylist can use this charm when affected by Distract Gambit or an action that is resisted by Resolve or Guile (Such as an Influence action or a God-Scourging Wail). She may clash it with a Decisive attack, regardless of distance. If the action occurred outside of combat, the stylist may immediately roll Join Battle to generate an initiative for this attack, drawing a weapon reflexively.
If she wins, she may choose to either deal damage as normal, or to cut an offending language of the stylist's choice from the target's mouth. If she chooses to cut a language, the target becomes unable to comprehend or speak that language as a Crippling effect. The Exalted and other characters with Exalted healing may make a (Charisma + Linguistics) roll at difficulty (Essence +3) each day to recover from this effect. The difficulty drops by 1 each day.
I had fun putting this in my SMA for Stabbing Killgraves
bleak hazel
this is the kind of shit they invented Wyld Hunts for
unfortunately SBMP gives them 3-6 non-charm sux so you might have some trouble winning that clash, but you can't really balance against Solars
coral wraith
hello solar
hello abyssal
merciful guillotine motion
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bleak hazel
personally I would phone up Jumpkicks Georg, the Sid who has that incredibly dumb build for oneshotting Raksi
because if that guy gets to make an influence roll you are fucked
tulip folio
Hahahah
tulip folio
unfortunately SBMP gives them 3-6 non-charm sux so you might have some trouble w...
Yeah you're not wrong.
south horizon
and alchs have no ways to skip essence, yeah?
well
technically
every non-solaroid Exalt haa access to one way to jump.ahead slightly in ess
well two now
#GloryStone
#MajorInvestiture
coral wraith
we ban glory stone in this house
bleak hazel
if your question is "what if a highly invested social combat exalt with way more essence levels than me shows up to social me" then the answer is probably "they get to social you"
but the system is generally built such that a couple of social charms and decent resolve means that'll take a long time with plenty of opportunities to do other stuff or Leave
south horizon
mhmm
the power if hittingnthe bricks should not be under estimated
or, ya know
punching the nerd in the face
tulip folio
The solar cannot talk if you disable his jaw
coral wraith
This is why the wise Sid packs avoidance
tulip folio
Or prison wrongwarp. God I love that charm.
buoyant summit
Hey Misc I just realized this jokingly describes our campaign
Also I just realized giving a crescent monk spade wielding Lunar White Reaper would be extremely fitting but hhhhhh no spare charm space
velvet raft
Legendary Size
You just gotta hit Tim harder
next delta
Just play a smart person who is also a giant dumbass
buoyant summit
Both my Sidereals are my dumbest characters, funnily enough
merry arch
i keep playing smart people in exalted
playing idiots is fun
I'm enjoying my illiterate 1manip/1int/1wits alchemical. dumb as rocks
buoyant summit
She's great
Drank the 4loko to put all her points in Appearance and Strength
@merry arch BeaMu is the reason 4loko is banned in Estasia
merry arch
lmfao
fierce star
I'm on that badger grindset, mixing guacamole gamer fart with 4loko so I can game while I game. Call me a GAU-8 because I'm rattling the cockpit so bad I'm giving my player whiplash. I am them, I was them, I will continue to be them. This shit ain't nothing to me, man.
buoyant summit
lmfao
She can only replicate its power (Rite of Reconfiguration) by finding Creation's counterpart
Spiked Carabao
XD
lament owl
It is the right of every exalted to talk like a character in a maxxor video
“I take no issue with The Realm, my true enemy is The People Of The Realm, and there is still so much pain left to inflict”- Abyssals
fierce star
great now I'm imagining ambiguousamphibian voicing an abyssal
lament owl
Or for a more “actually badass” pitch, something in the style Melania Monologue, which was so good I memorized it
buoyant summit
Malenia Infernal
buoyant summit
Yeee
children of the Solar Godfrey and hypocritical Lunar Marika
Ephemeral, constantly transforming
Disdainful of the greatness that is natural change
buoyant summit
Ooooo yeah
It works fucking perfectly
Because Infernals are still resonant with orichalcum
unalloyed, literally divine gold
What her limbs and weapon are made of
lament owl
Yeah!!!!!!
In fact because solars are busted they are the “orichalcum resonant guys”
Because solars are “the resonant guys”
buoyant summit
God I rly wanna make this character for the Voyserver but there are already 8 fucking Infernals
fierce star
for your consideration: TheRussianBadger, Chosen of Battles
fierce star
god has left the server
bleak hazel
I admittedly do use his Minos Prime rant as fighting style inspiration occasionally
used to be friends with a few of the Badger video cast but that was a good few years ago
buoyant summit
...huh
buoyant summit
used to be friends with a few of the Badger video cast but that was a good few y...
Misc you're like the fourth friend of mine who's known people related to shit I watch
It's fucking weird
my mom was college roommates and is still friends with the voice actor for Tex from RvB
bleak hazel
I lost contact with most of the people I know who took up streaming, it seems to be one of those hobbies/careers that replaces most of your friends in short order without fairly specific effort put in
but I did know a few, yeah
also the internet is like six people, as it turns out
next delta
The six degree of separation is because there is actually six people in the entire world
lament owl
children of the Solar Godfrey and hypocritical Lunar Marika
Mohg is one of those necromancy Lunars
Morgott is a martial artist
limpid badge
wait hey @fierce star did you see my beloved arablissa
wise ocean
There's got to be actual blood magic somewhere, no?
fierce star
I have not! I am at work but post away I will view when I can
buoyant summit
Mohg is one of those necromancy Lunars
Morgott is a martial artist
Morgott unironically is an Even Blade master
He literally uses a baton, his cane, before letting his blood inflame with rage and 'unsheathes' his sword
lament owl
There's got to be actual blood magic *somewhere*, no?
There is a shaping ritual about it in necromancy
lament owl
He literally uses a baton, his cane, before letting his blood inflame with rage ...
Oh shit right
buoyant summit
He also just
Somehow Cheats Thousand Blades
by making it a sorcerous martial art I guess
chilly sluice
Morgott on the Sovereign weapon creation grindset 😛
lament owl
That’s true actually
wise ocean
fun fact: Radahn weapon art arrow storm is in the Infernal Archery tree
lament owl
I was gonna say if morgott is a sorcerer his shaping ritual probably works a lot like the auctoton cleric one
Where he gets like, special principles that if he follows them give him motes
lament owl
***Malenia Infernal***
Would Miquella also be an infernal do you think?(infernal Miquella working both in exalted and nobilis would be funny)
buoyant summit
***Malenia Infernal***
This idea has evolved
The Malenia-inspired character?
This character's Exaltation's First Age Solar self
This new character?
Millicent Infernal
lament owl
Oooooooo
wise ocean
Would Miquella also be an infernal do you think?(infernal Miquella working both ...
Miquella feels like the archetypical "We don't have a Psyche tag!" influence solar
buoyant summit
A great and terrible Bargain made with the Yozis to defeat the rot
prisma sun
Miquella is a Solar yeah
buoyant summit
The Millicent Infernal also works because
If I made them the Malenia Infernal
They'd be a Single Point stylist
I would like
have to
I would hate it
It would be Dawn Single Point but Hell
But like it's literally her fucking fighting style unless we wanna get really weird and say it's some variant of Water Dragon that works with swords
<XD
lament owl
…. What splat are the magic school fam?
buoyant summit
Heptagram
wise ocean
Ranni is a Sidereal, Rennala and her sisters are gods
lament owl
Rykard/Ranni/Radahn
merry arch
rykard infernal, ranni sidereal, radahn solar but extremely fucked imo
lament owl
That works yeah
merry arch
buddy's got a defining derangement and a magical disease
buoyant summit
Ranni... god I actually wanna say Lunar (no not just because of the moon association) with Sidereal tutelage
But like
In terms of vibes and even abilities I'm sorry but Ranni is a textbook No Moon
She's not a Sidereal she is fundamentally restrained by fate
wise ocean
ranni is so obsessed with fate and subverting and using it that I just can't ever see her as a non-Sid
buoyant summit
And specifically her fate's arrest in the Heavens
lament owl
Alright hear me out
Geitimian Ranni
buoyant summit
That was actually my other idea
wise ocean
Alright hear me out
Geitimian Ranni
... Possibly? She kind of put herself in her situation, though, between the Night of the Black Knives and everything else
I think Ranni's arrested fate is just the aftereffects of her bronze faction limit break
Local woman had some important part of her in the Mask, Whoops
buoyant summit
Fluffy and my interpretations are likely both based in interpreting her arrested fate as the fulcrum on which her arc rests as a lack of control
She is stymied by arrested stars in a way a Sid
Kind of fundamentally can't be
She's fucking obsessed with them, yes
lament owl
You even get the ice associations she has if you make her a get
Winter fits her as a caste
buoyant summit
For me, deciding if Ranni is a Lunar or Get is admittedly then based on her literal lunar associations
She is the goddess of the dark moon
The most talented sorceress on the face of the Lands Between (barring Solar b*tches like Marika)
And then she has Blaidd, a beastman retainer~~/almost certainly dl boyfriend~~
merry arch
y'know I'm actually thinking about her character arc and deathknight-errant kind of works too. like she's not doing death's chivalry but. the majority of her quest line has you chasing down a shitton of death-related artifacts. she died and got put into a doll body, then kills her deathlord...
wise ocean
I love how compared to the rest of the family it was just pronounced "Rykard Infernal" and everyone nodded and went "yup"
merry arch
HAHAHAHA
buoyant summit
Look at the fucker!
lament owl
He has a kaiju form
And he’s definitely not a lunar
merry arch
-# TOGETHAAAAAA
buoyant summit
He is literally a Ted Infernal who likes Sibri
lament owl
The only other argument I could have, and considered making
Is that he was a sidereal and the current Rykard is a weird demon
But that is almost entirely based on the fact he was high inquisitior and that feels like a sidereal job to me
limpid badge
I have not! I am at work but post away I will view when I can
girl who is So Fine
bleak hazel
If I made them the Malenia Infernal
she is the most straight up Infernal Melee character ever made
with the one exception of her phase 2 ult because OSOI has that straight up
fierce star
girl who is So Fine
She seems lovely and polite and extremely well balanced! Horrible hungry gremlin monster (positive)
I am still trying to figure out if a mind hand azimuth is viable as a fight infernal, with awareness primordial. Trying to make the math math.
wise ocean
Infernal Melee seems very Ligier-green-fire-based, however
- parry stance counterattack
that one charm has like four keys and a bunch more synergies
bleak hazel
Green Sun Wasting is very easily palette swapped to Scarlet Rot
and all the flurry-of-blows tech in Infernal Melee is suitably Adorjan-themed
limpid badge
She seems lovely and polite and extremely well balanced! Horrible hungry gremlin...
nodding nodding
as you can see she went for War/Brawl/Resist as her main set
which has lead to this small girl brutalizing her troops to improve their morale
velvet raft
The beatings will stop when morale stops improving???!
buoyant summit
she is the most straight up Infernal Melee character ever made
Is Green Sun Nimbus compatible with MAs?
bleak hazel
does it say Versatile? if it doesn't and it's not an Attribute charm, it's not
universal rule
(except a bit of funky Solar shit because they hadn't invented Versatile then)
buoyant summit
Fair nuff
I don't got the books in front of me rn, but a Supernal/Apoc/Primordial ability has to be Caste, right?
merry arch
supernal is just your Super Caste ability
buoyant summit
So yes
merry arch
yes
buoyant summit
As in it cannot be Favored
Got it
fuck that means I can't do an Ascendant like I planned
tulip folio
Ascendant or Horizon was a debate I had with my witch but I ended leaning Ascendant.
Better powers imo
south horizon
I wonder if the companion will give more familiar powers to Survival
as that was the main reason i switched my one infernal to Nadir from their former Survival Supernal zenith incarnation
prisma sun
@bleak hazel I love how return of the Scarlet Empress has the Infernals as apparently just like a lock-step mook squad of the Ebon Dragon
and by love I mean This Sucks
next delta
I have heard zero good things about RotSE
prisma sun
I'm surprised the Roseblack is like
the main contender for the throne besides Mnemnom?
next delta
I didn't think she was "the" main contender. Just higher than expected for not being the head of a house?
Or is this specifically for that module?
prisma sun
latter
It posits some others but assumes throughout the entire book that only the Roseblack and Mnemnon could actually make it
also the cover is the Scarlet Empress putting a collar on the Roseblack, her grandaughter
marsh garden
waow
prisma sun
wise ocean
It posits some others but assumes throughout the entire book that only the Roseb...
Military-supported dictatorship vs. Empress 2 situation?
prisma sun
I mean we don't get to hear how she'd rule
because she gets brainwashed by Big E immediately
wise ocean
marsh garden
big e?
prisma sun
Scarlet Empress
Also this is just so fucking funny
They didn't need that top right guy
marsh garden
why is he illuminated like he's the real main character
tulip folio
the main contender for the throne besides Mnemnom?
She's one of very few contenders with popularity BEYOND her own house. Everyone else is 'I vote for myself'
So she's not the strongest in some ways but she's got more organic support than mummy isses banker or mummy issues sorcerer
prisma sun
Yeah but I mean like, I'm used to V'neef being Mnemnon's big rival
Also it's so funny the way that Solars and Lunars constantly share a sidebar
and every time it's just
"The Solar possess the raw, unmatched power of the Sun, the raw power to drive back the Ebon Dragon and save the world for good. The Lunars are also present."
I actually do kinda like this write up about how the Ebon Dragon could be defeated by a mortal game
like imo this is the coolest idea in the book
wise ocean
"a mere mortal becoming the new Unconquered Sun" fucks, goddamn
tulip folio
Ascendant
Caste: Integrity, Lore, Occult, Performance, Presence
Favoured: Stealth, Resistance, Dodge, Craft, Athletics.
Maybe? Going for Witch Classic.
prisma sun
The Scarlet Empress married to the Ebon Dragon
marsh garden
oh my god
dense verge
i'll never accuse return of the scarlet empress of being good
chilly sluice
that's what Return of the Scarlet Empress is about
buoyant summit
I Hate It
buoyant summit
Thinking about Zuko Alone and its applicability as inspo for a Shikari in the Scavenger Lands
buoyant summit
@marsh garden after beating the fuck out of some bandits with ice powers "I am the child of Kennai and Ledaal Shayuur. Shikari of the Realm and one of the holy Dragonblooded."
marsh garden
it just works!
you can yap about rising with the sun or having the never give up without a fight knife
tulip folio
Walpurgisnacht Sky
Loviatar vanishes into her hat, which expands to cover the entire sky in an artificial night. A craggy mouth opens in that sky and eyes like stars peer down from all sides.
Powers: Expansive Form, Legendary Size, Paramount Mind.
Soul-Bargaining Call(Mind-Corrupting Puissance, Terrible Gaze): A person watched by the eyes feels the call one of their deepest desires, prioritising those they are afraid to admit publicly, calling it up and transforming it into a wish there is no price they would not pay to receive.
Needs a purchase of Trancendent Devil Body perfection but provisional devil body written.
velvet raft
https://i.imgur.com/j1uP1Dt.png
The case of the artist's barely-concealed fetish
fierce star
many such cases
buoyant summit
Making the Malenia/Millicent Infernal and idk if social or mental should be her secondary stats lmao
velvet raft
Make physical tertiary
fierce star
this may be a controversial topic here
but I feel like malenia at least is a classic ISP build
buoyant summit
but I feel like malenia at least is a classic ISP build
I am making an Infernal Sword Princess p much, yes
My brain will not allow me to make 'Malenia Infernal' not Primordial in something to do with swords
I just realized
If you do literally nothing else
I think you can get a Pri/Super/Apoc MA character to PAOC Form at
E1
Oh wait no it doesn't apply to SMAs
That is
A good thing
velvet raft
Yes
fierce star
yeah supernal not applying to SMAs or sorcerery/necromancy is a spot-on idea even if supernal itself is sick bones
buoyant summit
it really should just be E+1
buoyant summit
I think if it was you could let it apply to SMAs and spells without it being tooooooooo insane
fierce star
that'd unlock celestial at E2 and solar at E4
buoyant summit
fair enough
fierce star
which... solar at E4 is whatever, IMO, but celestial at E2 is a big jump
tulip folio
The funniest thing: i don't think they'd ever have a solaroid NPC MAKE USE OF SUPERNAL
buoyant summit
The reason I thought about PAOC is making Infernal Malenia Sword Princess use it to have water dragon style as part of her swording reportoire
velvet raft
Solaroids should not be able to jack PAOC early
buoyant summit
But yeah that is an E5 (i.e. never fuckin happening) consideration
tulip folio
Is water dragon good for swording?
buoyant summit
Elden Ring lore things
She learned swordsmanship from a blind fighter whose style 'flowed like water' and he allegedly learned it from an underground river spirit to seal away the God of Rot
He taught it to her in turn to mitigate the Rot in her own body and soul through the exercises
It's why her ultimate ability is the Waterfowl Dance
Water Dragon can be good for sword things tho
Especially if you have a grappler sword stance like Garda Talon
which would just let you do this
There is no gif of Malenia's grab
Fuck
velvet raft
Is water dragon good for swording?
Water dragon is good in general. It would really love to be combined with Crane Style
And with VBOS
Jesus water dragon + VBOS is mean
buoyant summit
lol
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We Don't Need Reading Where We're Goin'
bleak hazel
Infernal Melee is going to beat out all the existing MAs here, both in vibes and scope
apart from maybe cheesing Single Point
buoyant summit
lol
bleak hazel
but that's just raw power and not particularly interesting or evocative
buoyant summit
While I agree I am admittedly trying to be evocative of the character to some extent
fierce star
ont he one hand, natural language in rules text
buoyant summit
This character's E5 Solar Malenia self almost certainly had PAOC of like
fierce star
on the other I think I can forgive this one
buoyant summit
Water Dragon, Single Point, and another sword art
But she is not that person, she's Millicent
bleak hazel
this seems needlessly complicated and also comes with a whole bunch of extra thematics because you add in PAOC's kitchen sink
whereas Infernal Melee is just The Malenia Tree
tulip folio
ont he one hand, natural language in rules text
I really wish the bonuses were not so dependent on being a crafter. Supervillian shit should be for all infernals
bleak hazel
want to dash around everywhere, make a million attacks and inflict horrific burning disease? boom done
fierce star
legit
hey misc, hyave you looked into infernal craft yet? (I ask as you are the local craft savant)
bleak hazel
I have not
fierce star
👍 kk, time to delve through it myself to test my own understanding
buoyant summit
want to dash around everywhere, make a million attacks and inflict horrific burn...
shakes you by the shoulders trying to explain that this conversation is about the hypothetical best translation of vibes
bleak hazel
that is optimal vibes, in my opinion
buoyant summit
This definitely has its roots in like
tulip folio
I think the E5 infernal craft thing just breaks the craft system open.
buoyant summit
You are looking at her physical fighting style, I am looking at the context of what she was taught and said teachings' purpose
tulip folio
-1 dot value for difficulty/costs. N/A is now 5 dot
bleak hazel
sure, but you are assigning a character's physical fighting style
and PAOC does not evoke... basically anything in Elden Ring, at least where my understanding of the thematics are concerned
lament owl
The funniest thing: i don't think they'd ever have a solaroid NPC MAKE USE OF SU...
I think supernal could work to make a “your doing a Wyld hunt” in a deeb game spooky
“The anathema just spawned in but on account of being A Solar Anathema they are already doing wack shit”
bleak hazel
so can the other two solaroids
fierce star
fucking solaroids
bleak hazel
solar craft's baseline set "don't worry about the system at all" as the standard for their craft trees
which is why I wasn't eager to dig into Infernal Craft
I know it's going to say "you get I Win successes" and I can catch up on the rest as necessary
buoyant summit
thinks of a stupid way to make an arti 5 sword for this character
Spring Razor but with reflavored-as-rot Green Sun Wasting
bleak hazel
honestly I've always been stuck on any kind of artifact sword that is just About Swording
it's very hard to do it in an interesting manner
buoyant summit
Fair point
I like ones that do augmentative functions for non-attacks
But I feel with this character in particular... fuck else am I gonna do but make an extremely fighty sword? <XD
lament owl
does exaltted have a goodd Teleporty swor?
bleak hazel
Rival's artifact has themes of a) not even in death does duty end and b) being lectured by an annoying dead guy and that's way easier to write artifact stuff for
buoyant summit
If you make Gnomon into a sword, yes
Otherwise no you do not have the Yamato in Exalted
bleak hazel
the go-to sword-that-does-stuff-on-its-own is Flying Silver Dream
which is more "cultivation novel floating sword" but works
tulip folio
Infernal craft has some of the old villian shit but it feels rather watered down.
buoyant summit
who is this replying to?
bleak hazel
Fluffy
buoyant summit
Ahhh
I think what they mean is less
Dancing sword more
'cut a hole in spacetime and jump through'
lament owl
Yeah I did mean tthe Yamato situattion
bleak hazel
But I feel with *this* character in particular... fuck else am I gonna do but ma...
take the innate artifact-sword-summon charm you definitely have, slap an evo on to make it reflexive if you have to and then put all your charms into the god-tier tree of Just Sword With Added Plague that you have right there?
like, combining 5000 MAs and evocations has a vibe on its own, but it's not "unmatched pure swordmaster"
buoyant summit
Oh
To be clear Misc, this character is using Infernal Melee
Her Solar past self was the one doing the unholy mix of martial arts
lament owl
But I feel with *this* character in particular... fuck else am I gonna do but ma...
lean into it being a integrated into a prosetetitc
I feel like there is potenttial cool evocations tthere
bleak hazel
yeah, so you have infernal fucking melee, which will happily absorb all your XP forever if you have anything else to put splat XP into beyond dots
dense verge
behold my ultimate technique:
radiation poisoning
bleak hazel
good technique
buoyant summit
Misc I am
bleak hazel
Ligier gets like two ults out of it
buoyant summit
kind of unused to this seeming level of agitation from you so I'm gonna ask 1. if you are cool, and 2. can you like, chill?
bleak hazel
I'm very chill, I'm just saying you might be underrating like, joint best combat tree in the game
buoyant summit
I have barely read the tree I'm still just doing stats <xD
bleak hazel
any solaroid melee character doesn't need 5-dot artifacts based around swording to be the best swordsexalt in the entire universe
everyone else, maybe, but if you don't have a very clear idea of what you want your 5-dot to do, I tend to avoid handing them out because 5-dots are Stormbringer or Excalibur, they're practically more important than their wielders at E1
so if you just want to be very swordy then a 3-dot standard daiklaive is more than adequate
dense verge
infernal melee also does make like twenty attacks a turn or close to it, which does feel waterfowl dance-esque
wise ocean
it's very hard to do it in an interesting manner
this is me with combat artifacts in general, I still need to noodle at both YZ's gun and Grave's sword because Doing Combat Better tends to be a dice thing and dice things are awkward to work with
YZ's deal as "ghostly mountain sniper" at least allows me to do fun things with evocations like "yeah shoot firewands out to Medium without aiming" or "have a dice trick if you're a few range bands up vertically from your target" or "if you're far away from your target and have shot them your disengages get better"
Sword Evos are harder because they're Sword
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I think I will do the summon artifact sword charm