Lmao
#Exalted
coral wraith
buoyant summit
Do you mean Autochthonians?
buoyant summit
Also since Voy seems to be asking because Alchemicals are gonna feature in their pbp server, and I have a beamklave as a Sid
I should probably learn about it too lmao
fierce star
yeah, alchemicals sometimes ge tcalled autobots, autochthon is alternatively auto-kun, primus, or unicron
we exalted fans sure do love giving things nicknames
south horizon
i just find autobot easier to remember
and honestly
cyberton is like
a pretty damn good idea for what Autocthonia looks like
i thiiiiiink it might get like, a scenario write up in the expansion
similat tp the RCW with deebs and the Caul with Lunars
buoyant summit
Where's the charm that lets Lunars initiate into necromancy?
coral wraith
Where's the charm that lets Lunars initiate into necromancy?
Necromancy wasn't out when Lunars were published - now that it is, just assume an equivalent charm exists
buoyant summit
fair
south horizon
Lunars can go up to Shadow, right?
south horizon
and then Solaroids are 3/2, Deebs are 1 or 1, alchies are 2 or 2(i think), exigents are typically 1 at either, with some jumping up a rung
and I think sids are 2/1?
buoyant summit
Abyssals are actually 2/3 afaik
south horizon
i meant in their field of choice, yeah
buoyant summit
fair point
tulip folio
and then Solaroids are 3/2, Deebs are 1 or 1, alchies are 2 or 2(i think), exige...
Alchs are 2/0 without heresy, 2/1 or 1/2 with heresy.
south horizon
gotcha
kinda wish my st for the short alchie game delved into necromancy withtheir apostate bad guy when they ran it
buoyant summit
Oh all right so Necromancy and Sorcery are keyed off the same Charms, at least in Abyssals' case
south horizon
would have been fun
i think in most cases
it's just that, as stated, necromancy was not out yet
buoyant summit
ye
So I'll just take terrestrial and celestial sorcery and earmark them as necromancy
buoyant summit
The pbp server is a bit... weird?
Character sheets are to establish what your character can do but its mostly rp stuff afaik
south horizon
it be like that, ye
south horizon
Makes semse.as i think.the writer of.chuubos was the og writer for sidereals in 1e and similar stuff
Jenna Moran, ye?
fierce star
yeah
velvet raft
How does the mass combat system work with multiple commanders?
south horizon
How does the mass combat system work with multiple commanders?
on.the same.side or against each other?
the short answer is it kiiiinda doesn't
velvet raft
Same side
south horizon
the stratgem phase assumes only one general commander
velvet raft
Gotcha. Alright.
south horizon
If you have crucibld
it has an optional teamwork rule that you can utilize to cover for that issue
also, and i'm not sure if this is an actual rule
but as a general word of caution, i would not allow command rolls from two commanders to stack on a single battle group
lament owl
I had a cursed realization
Superboy Prime(DC comics) and Miss Information(Sentinels Of The Multiverse) are Geitimians
People with motivations that are fundamentally hinged on a version of reality that didn't happen for anyone else
One of them is indiginant that you aren't how he remembers you, and one hates you for something you never did in this version of Everything
at least ones that are fucked up on limit
prisma sun
@bleak hazel is Betrayal Spurning Gifts from Abyssal Craft actually good?
nova yew
this is in reference to dialogue from MY character
so
uh
im doing a good job i think?
buoyant summit
l m a o
nova yew
i uh
lemme find what the dialogue was
i felt uncomfortable TYPING that
one day she'll experience character development and its gonna be hilarious
lament owl
Its so peak
nova yew
I uh
Yeah
I committed to the bit too hard
I can’t wait for her to become a better person
Uh
Somehow
buoyant summit
lmao
nova yew
But I didn’t realize how far rock bottom could be
buoyant summit
meanwhile the most fucked up thing my Aby has said
nova yew
lmao
tulip folio
Doing up everyone's favourite armour demons and pondering tying a bit of their fluff into how much armour they provide to give them more 'cost'.
Some perroneles make use of their close proximity to their masters to whisper corrupting words in hopes of turning the summoner to the Yozi cause. Sensible creatures, perroneles pursue such strategies only while they are likely to succeed.
Make the soak/hardness they provide scale with the highest positive intimacy the summoner has towards them, as the demon finds it easier to bond with someone who's got a connection. Which means if you've got a Really High Intimacy towards them? It's really good armour. But you've also created a situation where you're now defining a lot of your personality by what the demon armour would like.
fierce star
"Hey kid you know what'll really keep you safe? Makin' a deal with a yozi."
buoyant summit
lmao nice
nova yew
SO CUTE
I got dragged into exalted pbp rp and now I should be making expressions for the god oc I made for it
south horizon
Oh we talking about fun scenes of characters being a bit fucked up?
I got one from my own pbp game that i'm pretty happy about if anyone want's to read it
bleak hazel
<@267391246509670400> is Betrayal Spurning Gifts from Abyssal Craft actually goo...
It's an odd one but it can be absolutely huge, since you can justify basically any persuade or influence roll against someone without a psyche defence by handing them a big enough present. It's an easy Major because you can do superior projects without even dipping into magic stuff, a big palace counts, and at that level you can do legendary projects if you really need to absolutely fuck someone over.
Use your existing psyche-craft charms in that tree to get someone to accept a big gift and you can start throwing influence roll after influence roll at them because it's suddenly extremely hard for them to resist with willpower without first throwing away the Ring of Power
Coveted Prize Craftwork is the most obvious combo
marsh garden
i appreciate that the whole abyssal craft tree is basically just dedicated to being sauron
bleak hazel
the Sid Craft tree is dedicated to being Elrond
there's a great contrast
I love both dearly
marsh garden
so, now that i feel somewhat more prepared to understand the right system questions, what all modifiers do PCs/NPCs usually get on decisive attacks and defense?
or, i suppose i should ask, what're some commonly understood "acceptable" offense/defense breakpoints, and what over att/skill/spec/stunt are expected to reach them, if anything?
velvet raft
Generally, combat exalts are going to have a basic dice pool of 10 from the start
tulip folio
That's...tricky. But generally if you're 10+ you're 'doing fine'.
velvet raft
And you can be assumed to always be doing a 1-die stunt at least
tulip folio
Your specific weapon's accuracy will affect that a bit.
velvet raft
A fairly normal fighting exalt might have 5-6 in one or both defenses
tulip folio
My experiance is that non-dedicated fighty exalt can get 5-6 in one defence pretty easily.
Getting it in both requires some investment
RiRi for example has her 6 parry but her dodge is a much less impressive...umm...1
Please ignore the words 'unblockable'. It doesn't exist. Stop looking for it.
coral wraith
Grinning Mask has the privilege of being at 5/5 in Flying Guillotine Form, 5/4 out, though i'm planning on a specialty to jump to 5/6, 5/5
tulip folio
I'm guessing a low dex/no stat replacements?
marsh garden
abyssal brawl's first charm is a strength replacer on hit/parry, i just didn't bother swapping the natural here since there's a combat tab that lets me do it right
marsh garden
That's...tricky. But generally if you're 10+ you're 'doing fine'.
10+ just from the 5 stat + 5 skill?
my parry is 6, yeah, everything else is the same
tulip folio
10+ just from the 5 stat + 5 skill?
If you're combat focused, yeah. I think if you can hit 10+ with accuracy from weapon you're doing fine as a non-dedicated combat guy.
marsh garden
so 11 from basic combat investment + a spec in your stat isn't something to sweat about pushing higher on average?
tulip folio
So like a guy with a Light Artifact Weapon, 5 dex and 2 weapon skill is hitting 12 accuracy to stab.
velvet raft
abyssal brawl's first charm is a strength replacer on hit/parry, i just didn't b...
It's also fairly easy to change, you can just change "AttributeDexterity" to "AttributeStrength" in the code
marsh garden
i just worry about having poor decisive hit chance with this punishing of an action economy, but i guess you can add excellency to that too
marsh garden
It's also fairly easy to change, you can just change "AttributeDexterity" to "At...
oh i know, i just want a reminder for myself that this doesn't apply if, for whatever reason, i'm not allowed to block with my fists
i am no stranger to clumsily replacing stat codes in google sheets...
but i appreciate it nonetheless
velvet raft
so 11 from basic combat investment + a spec in your stat isn't something to swea...
For a lot of characters, getting higher isn't even necessarily possible
marsh garden
ah, gotcha
no charms that i missed anywhere, no basic weaponry bullshit tricks or martial arts accuracy?
just prone?
velvet raft
For the most part, no. There's some weapon powers out there which increase Accuracy by a point or so.
And of course non-charm bonuses are very much king because they push the limits
tulip folio
If the other guy doesn't have a charm that negates onslaught (Which many non-exalts don't have) you and a buddy tag-teaming a guy is enough to get pretty solid accuracy.
velvet raft
Onslaught adds up fast and there are a lot of charms to take advantage of it
marsh garden
right!
velvet raft
Applying penalties, in general, is the most reliable way to bypass the limits
marsh garden
i forgot about onslaught
onslaught is just "-1 defense after each attack (stacking) until you next refresh", right?
tulip folio
Yep! It's what makes 'getting beaten up by 3 guys' deadly if you've not got tricks to bypass it.
See: 3 DB going at a solar without an onslaught negator like it's that one JJK fight
velvet raft
Having an onslaught negator is one of those things every combat exalt should try to have
marsh garden
or the golden wind special
velvet raft
Even with heavy Resistance charm investment it is generally preferable not to get hit
tulip folio
You also really don't want to fight an Alch or a Sid without an onslaught negator
As an alch can keep this up for 2 motes/turn.
tulip folio
Rapid Barrage Configuration
velvet raft
Ah, that one's Dex, right?
tulip folio
Yep
Overwhelming Velocity Upgrade (6xp; Dexterity 4): An affected enemy’s onslaught penalty doesn’t refresh on his next turn.
They get this as part of it.
velvet raft
Submodules my beloved
tulip folio
Normally it only works on people with lower init or if you entered melee with them this turn but they have a lot of addons to expand that.
Superior Reactive Tuning (3xp) The Alchemical can use this Charm against enemies of equal or greater Initiative when making a clash or counterattack.
A clash or counterattack heavy martial art on an alch can just keep the onslaught permanently dumpstered
velvet raft
I'm making an alch for an Actual Game
(Adamant caste archer with social skills, probably dexterity favored although I guess I could just grab some Dexterity charms and rely mostly on perception)
marsh garden
how would one get an onslaught negator? are those usually just in melee/resist/stamina charm trees, or is it gear bullshit or martial arts?
tulip folio
The Alch 'fuck you, I still defend' is all piled into the same charm.
coral wraith
yup
marsh garden
ah, rip, mine's in melee 
tulip folio
Scene-Long though!
marsh garden
yeah i'm just not in melee
oh, i see, there's this as well
much more achievable
thank you again, by the way
oh, hm.
if i'm not wielding a [melee] weapon, am i allowed to use defensive melee charms?
i suspect not
tulip folio
You are not. So you'd be looking through Brawl.
Hmm...
Do you think for a 'teamwork' themed martial art, this bonus is any good?
You and any unit you lead perfectly avoid attacks from allies, such as Death of Obsidion Butterflies or charms that attack all characters within range.
I'ts on the Form
Just 'hey, no friendly fire!'
marsh garden
okay yeah in that case i'm just fucked, because the only one in brawl is hardlocked to dex
velvet raft
Oof, how so? It reduces onslaught by dex or something?
marsh garden
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You and any unit you lead perfectly avoid attacks from allies, such as Death...
this is cute, i like it
yeah lol
i didn't see any other upgrades
just gotta hope that the resist charms are enough, then
velvet raft
... you know, Falcon Style + Thousand Blades have some really nice synergy
marsh garden
```
You and any unit you lead perfectly avoid attacks from allies, such as Death...
is this for a sorcerous martial art, by the way? or just something that plays well with wizard nukes
tulip folio
is this for a sorcerous martial art, by the way? or just something that plays we...
It's for the update of Crimson Pentacle Blade, which is a very D&D 4e Warlord martial art.
marsh garden
nice! i remember you posting a couple things about that one
tulip folio
Crimson Pentacle Blade Form
Cost: 7m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 1
Type: Simple
Keywords: Form, Mastery
Duration: One scene
Prerequisite Charms: Speardancer Concentration, Graceful Tortoise Technique
The Stylist steps upon one of the five points that make up the Crimson Pentacle, bringing its powers to bear against her foes.
The stylist gains the following benefits:
• She may apply the bonus to defence from a shield to both her Parry and Dodge.
• She adds an automatic success to Movement, Rally and Rally for Numbers actions.
She also adopts one of the directional postures when she activates this Charm, granting additional benefits:
• Eastern Spear: The stylish works with his allies as a perfect formation. Any attack against the stylist or units they lead from allies, such as getting caught within the area of Death of Obsidian Butterflies or an attack redirected to them by an enemy automatically misses.
• Northern Ice Blossom: The stylist is watchful and calculating, waiting for any opening she can exploit. Her style weapons gain the Piercing Tag. Weapons that already have the Piercing tag ignore the defence penalty for making a piercing attack against lower initiative foes.
• Western Shield: The stylist's shield is as much a weapon as a protective tool. She ignores the shield tag's damage penalty and it gains the Smashing tag.
• Southern Scythe: The stylist is acrobatic and flourishing, turning her leaps and steps into unstoppable power. She suffers damage from falls as if they were one range band shorter and may make Impale attacks with any style weapon, even when not mounted.
Changing stances requires a miscellaneous action.
Special activation rules: When the stylist successfully lands a decisive attack against a foe within close range of one of her allies, she may reflexively enter this Form.
Mastery: The stylist may change stances reflexively at the start of her turn.
Still missing the 5th point of the pentacle but got 4/5 sorted.
tulip folio
Only heavy ones.
And it's got a permanent charm early in the style to let you 1 hand them
marsh garden
ah, i see
tulip folio
But yeah, I'm thinking of adding a little sorcerous stuff to it because it's name is crimson pentacle blade.
marsh garden
it just makes sense!
tulip folio
Hence the 'it can stand in the middle of combat magic without worry' posture
marsh garden
and also like, casting magic using a glaive as a staff or a bloody scythe to paint red runes into the air is just fucking cool
tulip folio
The capstone for them is going to be a multi-attack charm that doesn't make any individula person multi-attack. It's going to be like (Intelligence or Appearnace) people all make a single attack
knotty islandBOT
Just hopping in to ask, do Lunars use the CRB's rules on using experience to charms, or do they have their own in the Lunar book?
coral wraith
They have their own, Baihe, but our game is also using Flat XP - if you go to the Exp. section of your google sheet, there should be a checkbox next to the "Experience Costs" table. click that, and it'll change the costs to the new system we're using
velvet raft
yeah lol
Thinking about it, this does actually still work just fine
Like, sure, with Dex 1 you can get at most a +1 bonus
marsh garden
how's that? it only protects me if i'm doing well on two fronts
velvet raft
But that's not bad and the onslaught part works either way
marsh garden
they've got to be lower init and already injured, and it doesn't protect me on a hit
velvet raft
Take a look at Dark Messiah's Wrath
marsh garden
ah right
velvet raft
Specifically this part
A lot of Abyssal Brawl revolves around wound penalties in a way that suddenly makes a lot of sense with Dark Messiah's Wrath
knotty islandBOT
-# Thank you. ><
Briar (They/He) ↩️
marsh garden
still, i don't really think it uh. does anything to protect me over picking other charms that don't assume everything is going well but i still need defense - unless i'm just totally off-base with how often i should be at comfortably higher initiative than most npcs
which is plausible
coral wraith
-# Thank you. ><
its all good!!
coral wraith
yeah we gotta Take Some Time TM
bleak hazel
i just worry about having poor decisive hit chance with this punishing of an act...
11 dice, 13 with a stunt, is the highest the pool goes without excellency or other powers, you're fine with that
also decisives are intended to be a little bit inaccurate against boosted defences, whereas witherings are intended to hit peers more often than not as they add weapon accuracy
so as to keep init moving back and forth without making killshots super easy
marsh garden
reasonable system math goal
velvet raft
Building a 2CD: The Pig of Judgment
bleak hazel
I have one funny sid build that basically goes "my resting parry is 11, full excellency to hit me" but he is very much an outlier
marsh garden
i just don't like spending time setting up moves that take my entire turn and whiff, even while acknowledging the necessary evil of accuracy math
so avoiding that whenever possible is a firm and constant goal
bleak hazel
OK, you maybe don't want to be a Brawler then because the whole point of Solar/Abyssal Brawl is that they hit like five trucks taped together and as such don't get a ton of accuracy boosting powers
tulip folio
Building a 2CD: The Pig of Judgment
Fun. Using template?
marsh garden
I have one funny sid build that basically goes "my resting parry is 11, full exc...
and also yes while i also acknowledge that there is no world in which i as a player can engage with a mediocre-or-better sidereal, the closer i can get to managing that the better
bleak hazel
Infernal Melee is an odd spin on that because it has no accuracy boosting powers but instead makes 100000 attacks
velvet raft
Fun. Using template?
Yep
bleak hazel
that funny sid build has like, a 40% shot of fighting straight up Solar Melee and a much worse time against Brawl, it's really not that good
it's just an example of the kind of defence values you'd see from someone who has truly gone all out on it
marsh garden
Building a 2CD: The Pig of Judgment
i don't know why, but that's the first thing that "the pig of judgment" brings to mind
pig gets a +2 from me
velvet raft
The Pig would eat a 75.4 terabyte cat
If you want more diverse unarmed fighting, martial arts are kinda gonna be your jam, since they do a lot of different stuff and the Abyssal Strength-to-Brawl charm does also work for them
Since it's Versatile
tulip folio
I do wonder if I should redo my 2nd Circle Demon now that we have templates but...eh...I like her how she is now.
velvet raft
Literally the first Mantis charm is an onslaught penalty negator
bleak hazel
Brawl is basically always going to involve hurricane-force punches that miss fairly often, because the alternative is hurricane-force punches that nobody can do anything about at all because the basic Solar Brawl charm is "pay 1 mote to ignore a stupid amount of soak" and Grapple is Grapple
tulip folio
Actions: Debate Theory: 14 Dice
Appearance 6, Resolve 7, Guile 1
Yes
bleak hazel
hotter than Ligier
bleak hazel
green sun: not that hot, mostly radioactive
tulip folio
He does have a charm to make it 7 for a while
But yeah, should drop the app a point then
bleak hazel
currently attempting to figure out a way to actually beat up Ligier and basically concluding that you just need to get Overwhelming Yes and make him spend as much time crashed as possible
which is hard because he gets two to three free recoveries
tulip folio
Makes sense.
bleak hazel
also you really want to get him to spend as much of his juice as possible before he pops ult
which does not have a specified timing
and I quite like that as a character statement because running him out of gas before he realises he actually has to take you seriously seems like a great tactic to use on the most arrogant man to ever live
tulip folio
He also manifests for free 1/story, so his mote pool remains huge.
marsh garden
is ligier the strongest stattable demon, or would there be any other competitors for Bigger Motherfucker that we might see in the companion?
bleak hazel
he has a ton of motes, but he only regens the usual amount and he can't go all-out without blowing 10 per attack until he activates his ult
ideally by the time he ults you want him down to Breath of War
tulip folio
is ligier the strongest stattable demon, or would there be any other competitors...
Okay, so there is one contender but it won't be in the companion.
marsh garden
ic
tulip folio
It will be in the alch companion.
bleak hazel
Ligier is pretty much The Motherfucker
at least in Malfeas
I would personally bet on him against the Viator of Nullspace, myself
tulip folio
The only people who might be able to match him are some of the beefier Divine Ministers of Autocthon or the Viator of Nullspace.
The Divine Ministers are autocthon's third circle souls.
bleak hazel
I would not expect the Divine Ministers to be able to take him, since Autobot is arguably the least fighty primordial
marsh garden
I would not expect the Divine Ministers to be able to take him, since Autobot is...
was explicitly the weakest, yeah?
bleak hazel
he would be a very fighty neverborn, from what we know of that, but all that potentiality is in the Viator
marsh garden
who is the viator to autocthon?
tulip folio
Nobody fucking knows what the Viator of Nullspace is but fighting it to a standstill the last time resulted in the loss of multiple essence 6+ Alchemicals and entire armies of lower essence ones.
The best theory people have is that it's the personification of his immune system
bleak hazel
It's Complicated, but he's basically Autocthonia's Grim Reaper
marsh garden
oh wow
tulip folio
He's locked in The Internet because he'd beat everyone's ass without stopping if they let him out.
bleak hazel
I still think Ligier might win that but it would at least be close
whereas most other 3cds are just not on his level
tulip folio
The Viator is the reason why several cities are Dead.
The Theophonic Engine, had it worked, likely could have beaten Ligier but it failed to start.
bleak hazel
the reason I think Ligier wins is that Ligier is the duelist, that is his whole deal, whereas the Viator is just a walking wasteland who is not noted for his personal swording prowess rather than wrecking everything in general
tulip folio
As the Engine coming online would have been 'Can Autocthon beat up Liger' not 'Can a third circle beat up Ligier'
velvet raft
The flipside is that Autochthon, despite being the least fighty primordial, is still a full-fledged primordial and is capable of reworking and iterating on himself — so I think it's semi-plausible that the Viator could take Ligier but.
Also he's Ligier.
tulip folio
My thoughts is that it would be decided fast
velvet raft
He may not be as powerful and as glorious as he thinks, but that's because he thinks he is infinitely powerful and glorious
marsh garden
this is my prompt to ask what the engine is
tulip folio
If Ligier gets blindsided, he's out. If it drags on long enough for Ligier to realize what he's facing, he's a lot scarier.
As Ligier's biggest weakness is his refusal to take most shit seriously
marsh garden
an autochthonian superproject, i assume, but what kind
tulip folio
this is my prompt to ask what the *engine* is
The Theophonic Engine was a warstrider body designed to have Autocthon's mind inhabit it.
velvet raft
My thoughts is that it would be decided *fast*
I dunno, I could see a lengthy fight scene more or less on the basis of Ligier having enough raw agility to keep avoiding the Viator's killing shots but taking his time figuring out how to actually win
marsh garden
ahh
tulip folio
Even without his mind inside it, it holds back the blight by its sheer presence.
bleak hazel
like, I will repeatedly shit-talk Ligier and make builds that I think can take him, but I will also acknowledge that Ligier is Him and as such you can't actually just roll up and beat him with sticks
velvet raft
I AM HIM
bleak hazel
in this he is akin to Cathak Cainan, except he has vaguely real stats
velvet raft
I HAVE BEEN HIM
bleak hazel
poor CC
velvet raft
I WILL CONTINUE TO BE HIM
marsh garden
I WILL CONTINUE TO BE HIM
velvet raft
Yes
tulip folio
ironically, I think one of the biggest advantages the viator likely has?
bleak hazel
I fully expect to go through the Nah I'd Win process at least a few times trying to refine a build that can take Lboy without egregious cheese
tulip folio
Ligier for all his big tricks doesn't have a way to make Green Sun Wasting affect automatons
bleak hazel
he has so many fuck-you buttons
the good thing is that if he's saving up juice for a big Green Sun Wasting he's making less attacks than you are
and that means you can start the long process of putting him on his ass and running him out of motes
tulip folio
Viator: "INFERIOR CANCER SOURCE IDENTIFIED! EXCISE! EXCISE!"
bleak hazel
I think there's every possibility that Green Sun Wasting makes the Viator stronger
velvet raft
If just trying to think of the most dramatic possible scene, I'd play it with Ligier being on the back foot for most of the fight, and kinda framing it from his perspective
tulip folio
Yes, the Viator talks like a dalek in my brain
marsh garden
ligier when he gets a taste of the blight and green sun wasting ranks up to Ultimate Swamp Ass
bleak hazel
the Viator is also not on most of Exalted's normal power scales
it's kind of a 3cd but also not really
fucked up robot thingy
tulip folio
The Viator is sorta more on the same scale as like...the Great Contagion.
It's more a setting threat than a dude
velvet raft
Or maybe relatively even, then Green Sun Wasting fails, Viator gets stronger, Ligier's on the back foot for a while, and finally pushes through with great difficulty
That's how I'd play it out
tulip folio
Like if I had the viator in a game, I wouldn't have players go and Punch The Viator
I'd make 'going into the viator to disable systems' an adventure
bleak hazel
ah, I think I have an engine
marsh garden
they'd be something to Solve™ with works and dungeons and counter-weapons?
bleak hazel
I don't have a Green Sun Wasting solution yet other than "excellency big, don't fuck it up" but I think I have an attrition solution
tulip folio
they'd be something to Solve™ with works and dungeons and counter-weapons?
Yeah, while i'ts a dude it's not really a dude dude.
bleak hazel
PAOC Form, Crane Form, Sid Melee Form, Soulfire Shaper Form
velvet raft
Like, I could see a Locust Crusade storyline in which Ligier and the Viator end up fighting and that's how I'd play it
I'm shocked to see that combination coming from you, Misc :P
Shocked!
bleak hazel
it is my go-to
tulip folio
...you know what would be a really fun story beat? Someone's got liger on the back foot and then another demon intrudes on the duel to give liger the advantage
And Ligier gets pissy and calls the entire fight off
bleak hazel
but SFSF specifically needs to be used here to keep Essence Redirection in reserve for his big supplementals
marsh garden
oh that would be so mean
bleak hazel
and then pump the mote regen
since if he taps you you die instantly
(not literally, but you're done)
tulip folio
As ligier is 100% the sort to go 'someone cheated on my behalf, this wasn't a real fight. Rematch some other time'
velvet raft
Something that may be worth considering is also the Ligier is, short of Autochthon, the craftsman
I think I'd work that into any narrative of a fight between them
bleak hazel
the good thing about L-man in a duel with Energiser Bunny Sid is that he has a bunch of shit that is not good in this duel but also aura farms like hell
you really want him to be throwing lots of 10 mote Emerald Mirage Strikes because you can parry them on the cheap or hit them with Essence Redirection
and I think he might be willing to do that
velvet raft
That when Ligier realizes what he's facing and eventually pushes through, it's by analyzing the viator as a piece of machinery
bleak hazel
on a vaguely related note, I like that Ululaya is back
one of my favourite 3cds
this is a fun set of intimacies
(my actual strat for killing Ligier if I have to do it with Rival, shonen-brained duel Battles with a ton of craft charms, is to go recruit the Blood Moon to the cause and do some kind of awesome eclipse-themed ambush)
also a good reference for just how off the wall Ligier is, because Ulu is one of Hell's best fighters and she basically can't touch him
she's good, too, I would really not want to fight her because she has amazing grapple tech, Legendary Size and Principle of Motion
tulip folio
She also has MDV: Fist and it's very funny
bleak hazel
she has a very good MDV fist
marsh garden
mdv?
tulip folio
Old 2e term. Mental Defence Value
bleak hazel
old name for Resolve
marsh garden
ah
tulip folio
It became resolve
bleak hazel
MDV Fist is shorthand for "punch anyone who tries to social you"
tulip folio
Basicly: Social stuff in 2e didn't work in combat. At all.
bleak hazel
it became a joke because it was literally mechanically optimal in 2e
tulip folio
So a counter to a guy trying to talk was starting a fight
bleak hazel
willpower powered your perfect defences and if you ran out of perfects you died immediately
tulip folio
And this was important because a decent social character in 2e could force you to spend like 14 willpower or they'd define who you were as a person.
bleak hazel
so RAW, a guy trying to convince you not to murderkill was nearly as dangerous as someone swinging a daiklaive at you wildly and you were entirely entitled to respond with a doomcombo
velvet raft
Alright thought
velvet raft
The tusks can shoot out on the ends of enormous chains, and the boar can swing them around like the Blades of Chaos
bleak hazel
also solid celestial-level general
tulip folio
Sounds fun
I likely overdid Exousia, Spark of Revolution but eh...I'll just say she's one of the More Powerful 2nd circles. She still can't beat octavian. XD
bleak hazel
it is nice to have octavian around as the second circle power cap
all the other printed ones are rather less dangerous
Zsofika is no slouch, admittedly
The Speed of Death takes her combat suite from "decent" to "what the fuck"
tulip folio
For Exousia I looked at Octavian's excellency and went 'this basicly always gets max bonuses, whenever the fuck it wants because it triggers in such common circumstances' and tried to make one that's less Omniapplicable.
bleak hazel
Zso can also kind of pop everything
tulip folio
Power of a Movement (2m+; Reflexive; Instant; Essence 4): Exousia may add up to two successes to any roll at a cost of two motes per success. Increase the number of successes she can purchase by the Size of bystanders and battle groups (Measuring bystanders as if they were a battle group for size) fighting alongside or otherwise supporting her, up to a maximum of five successes.
So she only gets Max Excellency if she's got Size 3 worth of people cheering for her like it's wrestlemania. XD
bleak hazel
she just shows up and goes "I use every offensive charm I have, full excellency" and people fall over because she just rolled 24 dice, rerolling fails, adding extra sux as damage dice and then doubling 8s on all that damage
and clashing her is a bitch because she has this thing
I think the only builds I have that don't outright have a perfect that doesn't explode when she uses this are either heavy resistance solaroids, alchs with the health gate charm or Sids with Essence Redirection reflexive clashes, who can steal the reroll-all-failed-dice supplementary and play reroll fuck-fuck games
tulip folio
...yeah, maybe I didn't go too silly here. XD
bleak hazel
demons are scary
hmm
thought for a second that hitting Ligier with the Crane capstone would be funny but I think "defining tie of love towards all creation" would literally not change his behaviour at all
he'd just carry on trying to make it all like him
tulip folio
Offensive Charms
Toppling Yu-Shan’s Walls (5m; Supplemental; Instant; Essence 5)
A Withering or Decisive attack Exousia makes is unblockable and ignores cover short of full cover. This attack can target dematerialized gods, though not other dematerialized beings.
Introduction to the Stone Prince (6m; Supplemental; Instant; Essence 2)
Exousia adds +4 to the raw damage of a Decisive attack. If the attack deals 3+ levels of damage, the target is Knocked Prone and Exousia may reflexively Rally For Numbers with a number of automatic successes equal to the levels of damage dealt.
Power of a Movement (2m+; Reflexive; Instant; Essence 4): Exousia may add up to two successes to any roll at a cost of two motes per success. Increase the number of successes she can purchase by the Size of bystanders and battle groups (Measuring bystanders as if they were a battle group for size) fighting alongside or otherwise supporting her, up to a maximum of five successes.
infinite unblockables is a bit mean but not out of line for a 2CD
also hot damn
eclipse charm of the day
OK, so we learn this one, we learn CMOS and we learn OSOI
and then we palm slam a -9 penalty on all attacks
welcome to the pacifism zone
it doesn't actually force you to be pacifist but literally nobody can hit anything so it might as well
tulip folio
Christ
bleak hazel
you know fuck this I'd rather fight Octavian
tulip folio
Tooth Spitting Grin (8m, 1wp; Reflexive; One Tick; Essence 6): When the last level of Exousia’s -2 or -4 health levels would be filled, further damage this tick is negated. Exousia immediately heals 1 health level, plus plus an additional level for each 1 and 2 on the damage roll. Reset: Once per scene.
Exosuia's designed to be decently tanky so she ended up with a Health Gate Charm.
(Among other reasons to keep with her theme that she's not a stylish duelist or weird shaped monster, she's a street brawler)
Though mostly the stats mostly exist to justify her intimacies.
Intimacies
-Defining Principle: “You cannot buy the revolution. You cannot make the revolution. You can only be the revolution. It is in your spirit, or it is nowhere.”
-Defining Principle: “It is better for humanity to experience a world of distant and unknowable primordials than the tyranny of the gods.”
-Major Principle: "The Reclamation is possible and should be the ultimate goal of fellow Malfeans!"
-Major Principle: “Music is a universal energy - it's the sound of a volcano. It's rock shattering. Somewhere in our primal being we understand.”
-Major Tie: Theomachy (Righteous Purpose)
-Major Tie: Prisoners (Empathy)
-Major Tie: A Good Brawl (Excitement)
-Major Tie: The Guild (Disgust)
-Minor Principle: “The Exalted are class traitors.”
-Minor Tie: Soulsteel (Morose Grief)
-Minor Tie: Expensive Tea and Clothes (Embarrassed Enjoyment)
She has Political Opinions
bleak hazel
the demon aristocrat is a champagne socialist, wonderful
velvet raft
I likely overdid Exousia, Spark of Revolution but eh...I'll just say she's one o...
I'm not going to stop making this joke >_>
bleak hazel
I am afraid I completely miss the joke
velvet raft
It's Exusiai
marsh garden
tulip folio
the demon aristocrat is a champagne socialist, wonderful
I mean she has:
Debate Theory: 14 Dice
||She's basicly the literal incarnation of Leftist Infighting||
But more seriously: I did slightly adress the 'hey...you know what you are right?' bit in her fluff.
The one god she holds confused feelings about is ironically Wu Ja, the Director of Humanity. This comes from a time, centuries ago, when an unfortunate Sidereal believed he could control Exousia and accidentally let her free upon Yu Shan itself. She was finally halted in her chaos by the director herself asking her a question she could not answer: Had she been there, when humanity launched a revolution against the Primordials…would she have been the one to crush their dreams?
Where Wu Ja got Critical Social Damage by pointing out that for a demon of revolution, she's actively trying to undo the effects of a revolution.
marsh garden
does this charm's phrasing mean you must take Specifically The Attack Simple Action as your action for turn?
or can you take a charm simple action that's a bespoke attack?
and/or flurry an attack + whatever
actually i should just
ask in the exalted server, as is the entire purpose of why i joined there
velvet raft
Thunderclap Rush Attack ...
marsh garden
?
velvet raft
It's the mirror of a Solar charm
marsh garden
ah
velvet raft
I read it as making a normal attack, not using a simple charm
You could of course use supplemental and reflexive stuff on it
marsh garden
that's my read as well, i just wanted to make sure because of how drastic that power differential would be
or at least could be
gambits are attacks, though, yeah?
so you could still grapple or disarm with it
velvet raft
Yeah, it's an extremely strong charm even as is
lament owl
Amoth requests exigency flames with the explanation “I think architects deserve a fucked up and evil version”
I don’t think they are granting this one, but its funny thinking about him doing it
buoyant summit
I have made A Skaven
No Moon Lunar Rat Man
Necromancer and warlord extraordinaire
feral cipher
my abyssal has been really funny to play in these character establishing bits because he's like
"I'm not bitter about it" said The Grave Calls For It's Due, bitterly
this, all the time
buoyant summit
lol
feral cipher
he hates gods and terrestrials and other exalted and his home citystate and acts like this is on a purely like, moral basis and not him being incredibly petty and having a complex about it
he thinks he deserves more than anybody else because he has a mean envy streak
but also genuinely thinks that nobody else has worked as hard as him for what he has
buoyant summit
lolol
velvet raft
Woooooo I get to use Wood Dragon with bows at range
chilly sluice
nice
velvet raft
The way Gaia intended
nova yew
``"I'm not bitter about it" said The Grave Calls For It's Due, bitterly``
He’s so funny
buoyant summit
Should I make an Infernal or Alchemical next...
chilly sluice
Do an Alchemical, they're neat
buoyant summit
Hmmm
buoyant summit
On reading more I am indeed making an Alchemical these guys fuck
coral wraith
On reading more I am indeed making an Alchemical these guys fuck
- new player after reading any exalted
:P
buoyant summit
I have literally never made a Solar despite at this point reading Core front to back
xD
tulip folio
buoyant summit
lol
Debating whether to put Toph or post Season 3 Korra on this character's inspo sheet
buoyant summit
Also, funny you should choose that joke
buoyant summit
:3
marsh garden
angeal...
marsh garden
south horizon
Also, funny you should choose that joke
Oh this guybis gonna be a problem i can tell
which City state are you going with?
or are they a Creation-alchie?
marsh garden
hm...i need to find/remember more absolutely pathetic little fucking skrunklies to look at for inspiration
south horizon
Oh topple, want to read a blurb from my Abyssal duder?
marsh garden
👀
south horizon
Context:Marked is a loyalist who has been sent to basically assassinate a Deeb warlord and take part in a ritual to create a shadowland in the fort he held
so it's . . . a bit fucked
marsh garden
yippee
buoyant summit
Oh this guybis gonna be a *problem* i can tell
I have no fuckin idea where she's from
marsh garden
things should be more fucked more often
buoyant summit
But they are from Autochthon
They lead a street gang
They are an anarchosocialist gang leader
south horizon
||-# "You shouldn't have given me respite. That was your only failing."
Marked spoke, not to the man but his corpse as the gale that was his anima whipped and tore around him. He looked at the Water Tiger with an expression somewhere between elation. . . and sorrow. The victory, the final victory, was his own but their was a bitterness to it. A recognition of circumstances at had allowed him, in that last moment, to snatch his victory. There was no regret, nor remorse.
There was only an understanding of how much further he had to go.
The Tiger's body was not leftz as Marked made his way through the castle, nor were the artifacts he held on his person. Blade in one hand, meat in the other, Marked tore his way to the songstress' hall. He was unsure of how far the flames had stood, but any of the Tiger's soldiers that he came across would be dispatched and, to their terror, fed upon.
He was a green-eyed butcher once more, a loathsome shadow which hacked the legs off fleeing soldiers and then clamped onto their necks with jagged fangs to fill the emptiness that the battle had left in him.
When he came to upon the Songstress, the Water Tiger was thrown at her feet. She would be given time to mourn. To understand the truth of what was to come. He said no words, but if she moved to take her life or flee, he'd be upon her before she could even flinch. That she would follow him.to the Fort courtyard was a foregone conclusion. She could only decide if it was on her own legs or to.be dragged forth like a piece of meat.
It made no difference to him, but after his battle with the Outcaste general . . . he believed that whatever her connection to him, he owed her that much respect.||
marsh garden
also, y'all should send me your best "little buddy is goin through it" characters in media
south horizon
this is directly after killing the deeb
marsh garden
i have some ideas for more, but i must always collect
south horizon
Kaneki Ken is very much a "Dude is going through it, and never stops going through it" vibe
marsh garden
on the one hand, yeah, but on the other hand he has too much agency after act 1
south horizon
he both does and doesn't, but fair nuff
marsh garden
there is a perspective from which you can look at where he has personal agency and autonomy
buoyant summit
What caste would best fit an alchemical motivated to eternal rebellion by famine, mismanagement, and a burning righteousness in their blood?
marsh garden
i'm lookin for full dennis chainsaw
south horizon
What caste would best fit an alchemical motivated to eternal rebellion by famine...
Jade
They're the ones who are most in tune with the peoplez typically
that said, eternal rebellion is def gonna be a hard one to pull off in an autobot game
as in the place
buoyant summit
She's probably from Gulak reading the city descriptions
south horizon
shout out to Gulak, my Alchemical game was in the place
my dude was from.Estasia
he found it very. . . disorganized
merry arch
my alchemical is from estasia as well she's dumb as fuck
south horizon
lol
merry arch
i love her dearly
buoyant summit
Oh, good context to add to this
south horizon
My dude was basically on that "Traumatized warrior saint" vibe
buoyant summit
Violent Industrious Hand is my attempt at making a Heel to BeaMu's Face
merry arch
i love her dearly
everyone loves beamu
buoyant summit
If BeaMu is Red Son Superman, Indie is Red Son Batman
Crafty, underhanded, foments food rioting in times of famine
etc etc
south horizon
Luminous Vertex Aspiration deal was that he used to have hope and ideals, then his master got killed when they went to face off against a Apostate collossus and it was left to him.to finish the mission
at the cost of a good chunk of the forces they broygh with them including the rest of his circle
He was celebrated as a war hero after that, but he just felt the weight of all he failed to save and focused himself intently on bettering his blade skill and erasing every aspect of Blight he could come across
a fun detail is that his anima banner held aspects of Kintsugi
buoyant summit
I should probably flesh out Indie's relationship with the Metropolis she resides in
south horizon
as that was very much an inspiration for his vibe
buoyant summit
It is very probably Extremely Bad
fierce star
So you're playing an Apostate?
buoyant summit
Lady she leads a street gang and encourages food rioting in times of famine lmao
fierce star
I mean, if they're trying to tear down the order of the eight nations of autochthon
that's an apostate
south horizon
Lady she leads a street gang and encourages food rioting in times of famine lmao
gg
that is def apostate behavior
fierce star
don't have to be blighted to be an apostate (but it helps)
south horizon
prob not the kinda that can work in a normal game with other alchies but depends
buoyant summit
I am not making her to even be played necessarily
I'm making her to explore stuff I find interesting
buoyant summit
She's meant to follow the ideals the State purportedly possesses (helping the weak, industriousness, community)
south horizon
Just one that is gonna be hunted down with a quickness in any city
buoyant summit
And is horrified to the point of incandescent rage that it fails to live up to those ideals
south horizon
Gulak's bit is instead if being unified, it's all inter-family politciking, right?
lot of refugees frommother places gathered together
buoyant summit
I mean, if they're trying to tear down the order of the eight nations of autocht...
I will say, she explicitly worships the Great Maker with great reverence
She's a Dissident at most
She doesn't want her people to needlessly die
fierce star
They do that in riots, though. The problem with Autochthon isn't that the system is broken; the problem is that the system is the best one they've found to work and resources are stretched so thin that most places just can't afford to try to find a better system. Yes, it's a bit of a nightmare, but it's a nightmare that keeps more people alive than it kills as long as everything stays balanced on that knife's edge. Like, not saying you can't play an anarchist alchemical, but be aware with the issues they're likely to face especially if they do calls to violence.
south horizon
^
Like autocthonia is a society living in the midat of an apocalypse
The famines aren't hapoening because dudes at the top are hoarding all.the food(usually)
it's because a blight zone has contaminated one of the food pipes
or a gremlin has infiltrated and the people in charge of the rationing and is tossing it all away to cause instabilities
it's the messy line of "Hey, there are genuine issues that need to be addressed" and "Body snatchers whi can steal your skin and wamt to infect you are a real threat"
"They can, quite literally, be anyone or infect anyone"
Starting riots because there is a food shortage is, fundamentally, making things a lot worse in this kind of enviornment much more than it makes it better 9/10 times
buoyant summit
Fair enough
The idea that 'this is the best system they've found and they can't afford to find a better one' kind of
Fundamentally fucks me off, though
south horizon
Gremlins and Blight stuff is actually terrifying shit
fierce star
Like, the Tripartite? Are they corrupt? A little. But most of them aren't. Most autochthonians are honestly, truly doing their best.
that's what makes autochthonia such a terrifying setting
like. Rhi, have you played the Frostpunk games?
buoyant summit
Which I guess is just an issue I'm gonna have with the writing
fierce star
or heard about htem, atl east?
buoyant summit
I have
fierce star
That's Autochthon.
buoyant summit
I thought about them while reading your responses
south horizon
I'm not saying that there isn't places for big revolution type moments
fierce star
the whole point of alchemical games is finding that better way... but generally speaking you're going to have to work within the system, at least at irst, to prepare it for that better way
buoyant summit
I don't think Industrious Hand, as I have created her, is able to do that
south horizon
I'm not even saying you have to work within the system
but generally, causing big disruptions like riots whennthings gets hard is going to probably lead to worse situations than better ones
Now if you do find triparate members being corrupt, find proof and bring those fuckers to justice
be the watchful eye for the common people
But you have to do on some level have work with the government in autocthonia even if it's only a formality
buoyant summit
She has thoughts on Tripartite corruption that she keeps to herself
south horizon
many do
my boi Vertex thinks Estasia's metropolis over steps his boundaries alot
Lux fuckin sucks
buoyant summit
See, here's my sticking point
south horizon
but also. . . how are you gonna care for all the people if you try to revolt against him because he is the city
buoyant summit
Lux sucks, but by what you guys are telling me he's the best Autochthon can hope for
fierce star
oh god no, if I had to pick an octet nation for that it'd probably be...
buoyant summit
Or at least I think that's the kind of thing ur telling me
south horizon
He's the best that section of estasia cannhope for
until you can come up.with an alternative
which is the key thing
buoyant summit
Alternatives that I feel are getting handwaved by the knife's edge thing
south horizon
Like if i were running a game that was meant to be facing off against Lux
finding a way to make it so Lux isn't needed
or limitingbhis power
either politically or actually
would be the direction i'd suggest
fierce star
maaaaybe gulak
but like, lux is the best way Estasia's found
but also Estasia is the octet nation most likley to, IMO, flip the board and do something stupid
buoyant summit
Man I can feel my more radical political opinions bubbling beneath my skin
south horizon
estasia sucks
buoyant summit
Because even at its nicest, the idea of living in a city that is one person would make me genuinely fucking suicidal
south horizon
and should be changed
yes
most metropolis's don't do much is the deal
Lux is an exception to that because he's a control freak and that has caused major issues with the societyof Estasia
buoyant summit
idk maybe Hand's fucked off into the Reaches with a bunch of Lumpen because she finds the idea of Metropoli unconscionable
south horizon
but alsoz he is the city and the lone defense all ofnthenpeople innhim have vs all the rest of the shit out there
fierce star
Most Metropoli are high clarity and just sit about being like, an administrative AI for the city
south horizon
def an option
fierce star
well they're not liek, actively spying on everyone inside them, that'd be a low clarity action, is what i'm getting in
they don't really take an interest in their citizens except in regards to keeping themselves running and the citizen ssafe
south horizon
I meanz Alchemicals also have a cultural imperiative to not take positions of leadership
buoyant summit
I feel like that is incongruous with the rest of the metaphor that
Your City Is Literally A Person All Around You Who Works For The State
Like that is fundamentally a panopticon
south horizon
They aren't a person is the deal
at that level, they do function more like a computer
andn90% of the time
are just inoperative
focusing on keeping all the infrastructure working
Lux is the exception tonthat
but yeah, if you want this character to be a radical who fucked to live with the tunnel.peeps
that is indeed an option
They definitely need protectors, even more so than the people who live.in the octet
buoyant summit
idk I feel like now I'm just
Fundamentally angry at Autochthon
As a setting element
fierce star
... sorry
south horizon
Fair nuff
it's a very specific vibe
And hey, for likeb99% of exalted
it literally does not matter
buoyant summit
idk just
Fuck, man
I'm gonna start ranting in here if I keep talking about it so I'm just gonna shut up
prisma sun
The only thing i dont particularly vibe with Autocthonia is that its just Another Setting
The default set up is that it is completely removed from the actual 95% of the rest of content
dense verge
it's place that has flaws that can be better and thats fertile ground for finding different ways that can go about that bettering. is the fact that your city is a person a good thing? probably not but at least its benign to somewhat helpful in most cases. on the other hand Lux exists so something needs to change
also auto is very heavily siloed off from everything else is another wrinkle
it's somewhere that has a game set inside it and plays by its internal currents, but if you want to involve anything external to Auto your game necessarily becomes about that if for nothing else the grand exposure to outside ideas and concepts that happens
not even having to be a locust crusade deal, could find a portal to that lost city of Tekun mentioned in a sidebar in the draft, wander to Creation through that. Either wander back to Auto or have a fish out of water story but fundamentally both are modes of going from one setting to another rather than one cohesive setting interacting with itself. in terms of feel, to me, at least
south horizon
Ye auto is def feels like a thing that was added on a bit of a whim and i think, on it's own
it's a really cool setting with fun and interesting problems to solve
dense verge
on its own, very much agree
south horizon
Especially given that the exalts are explictly not in charge and very discourgaed culturally from.being in charge
but yeah, it does not mesh well with Creation as a whole
dense verge
yeah! thats a good cultural flip i like wrt exalts
south horizon
and the moment you try, stuff gets so messy
prisma sun
I am considering how to fit shit into the pbp
dense verge
I think you can make cracks in the slab, but they have to be measured and limited and leave it at that, or building up to a larger breaking of the seal, and both necessitate a degree of attention on the fact its happening
i got thoughts on it if you'd hear my 2 cents
prisma sun
Sure
buoyant summit
Honestly Voy
I apologize for being part of that
And fuckin
may change Felmaian knowing what I know now about Auto cuz
Fuck man
prisma sun
Nah its just Speaker lmao
buoyant summit
Who?
prisma sun
Speaker
buoyant summit
Oh
prisma sun
The guy who is making the autocthonian solar
buoyant summit
I'm dumb
Oh my God
An anti-caste-system movement exists
Okay I am now
intrigued
Okay if nothing else I have picked the best nation for
Violent Industrious Hand to be a political dissident in
south horizon
Ye, sorrynfi we gave younthe idea that
people in this place were all happy and cool with things all the time
def not the case
the focus i was going for was just explaining how going for the "Starting a riot in a famine" angle could be a bit of a hard sell
fierce star
again,s orry
buoyant summit
Drive you really are okay
buoyant summit
people in this place were all happy and cool with things all the time
I mean not really the vibe felt more like 'this is the best they can hope for so positive change is unpossible™'
south horizon
ah, yeah that wasn't my intent or the writers
buoyant summit
Also the food riots thing was me clinging to an evocative but overly-specific
Illustration of vibe
south horizon
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She Fights For The Little Guy, At Any And Every Cost
south horizon
Yeah that is 150% doable
yoi can absolutely be the one goingnup to the tripartae and holdingnthem to task
buoyant summit
Probably does Extremely Radical Things like associating with Lumpen
buoyant summit
hehehe uh
south horizon
i can't remember ifnthey're rhebestasia horror show
buoyant summit
You Exist To Work but
south horizon
or something else
buoyant summit
Even more
south horizon
ah, okay
buoyant summit
What limited rights exist for Populat are denied to Lumpen
south horizon
so just the people who got their rights taken
and not the Big yikes
that estasia does
buoyant summit
Soulgouging?
south horizon
ye
buoyant summit
She has probably shouted down a tripartite that tried to suggest that
If not worse
south horizon
prob couldn't beat a guy up(in public)
south horizon
def
honestly
Soulsteel caste
is spunding more up this gals alley, lol
could also be a double funny of
she was made to keep the people in line
then she took one look around and went
"No, FUCK THAT"
dense verge
Sure
So, my own approach is that a breach of the Seal of Eight Divinities does not necessarily mean a full opening or break of it. It's old, and like many things on Autochthonia now that Autochthon has slept for millenia, it's probably decaying without his attention. From the book there's the "shifting, unstable rift" suggested to throw Alchs from Auto to Creation, but that's not quite satisfactory to me. The same sidebar suggests that happened to Tekun, the lost city, which does get my gears turning.
With that, some enterprising, industrious, or plain too curious for their own good explorer seeking a lost city (that or another), could stumble into a stable crack in the seal so to speak, emerge in the heart of the lost city, navigating a confusing metropolis trapped (somewhere isolated in Creation, in the veins of the earth? are the citizen live or dead? undead? questions to answer), and then emerging into the greater part of Creation to go a-wandering. Leaves it less as an unpredictable random event that you kind of have to shrug off, and opens the door for finding their way back, opening up a trade route (or smuggling, or espionage and infiltration route looking at you estatia), and maybe finding a way to alleviate the Blight if they can find where Auto left his meds in Creation for that.
Alternatively, it's said that if anyone can open the Seal, it's Auto himself or the Eight Divine Ministers. So an angle I could take there is that as a means to control the spread of the Blight, the Eight Divine Ministers get together and grab some Alchemicals to act as Machine Saints, jimmy open the seal a little for a brief bit using a good deal of effort, and tell them to go out there and find a solution for the Blight, Fallout 1-style
Or Locust Crusade, Locust Crusade is always an option (it is not)
south horizon
So, my own approach is that a breach of the Seal of Eight Divinities does not ne...
"The Blight Chip."
dense verge
exaaaactly
in my mind it involves entering the long-abandoned workshop of Autochthon somewhere in Yu-Shan, finding that it's dry on whatever Auto used to manage his condition, then having to go to the original workshop somewhere in Zen-Mu, the prototype heaven
it's like if the androids in dragon ball were there to get goku's meds instead of kill him
prisma sun
I may have part of this current thing be that you can't stop a Solar exaltation from going where it wants to go
and if there was ANY crack, an exaltation is gonna go "A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON" and slip on through
south horizon
hmm, i'm.def iffy on just popping a solar exaltation into autocthonia just because
that would be such a shift
to so much
dense verge
lumpen ganger engages in a get rich quick scheme
stumbles into lost city of untold mild riches
lost city is a bust
sun (exaltation) sees this guy and goes "You. I like you."
or if he's meant to still be in autochthonia i have a funny explanation for that
south horizon
and if there was ANY crack, an exaltation is gonna go "A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BE...
see i disagree, mainly because
prisma sun
hmm, i'm.def iffy on just popping a solar exaltation into autocthonia just becau...
well the good news is the Solar is in Creation
south horizon
there are so many people in Creation who qualify
and i wasn't talking for your game
just the idea in absence
if it's your game, do whatever you want
nova yew
well the good news is the Solar is in Creation
they threw his ass into a vortex for being stinky is my understanding
buoyant summit
Also are people just making Alchs with Lot Casting?
prisma sun
also yesssssssssssss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHr5LfBrF6g yessssssssssssssssssssssssss
dense verge
both of the alchs in my pbp were made in lot casting atemi, yea
fierce star
My alch's a google doc right now
merry arch
I'm using Myckou's sheet and doing chargen for celestial exigents, keeping track of submodules I buy with bp as artifact dots
dense verge
is the gsheet still behind on alchs?
tulip folio
I use google docs and manual math myself.
merry arch
is the gsheet still behind on alchs?
myckou has said they're being lazy cos alchs require a lot of new backend business with charm slots and submodules
dense verge
where do i go for gsheet updates anyhow
merry arch
they've got a discord server link in the player name cell when you make a copy of the sheet
dense verge
oh riiiight
south horizon
myckou has said they're being lazy cos alchs require a lot of new backend busine...
the horror of attributes and submodules
it really is such a bastard because u can't justbraise the attrbitue cao and be done with it
also have to calc how the new stuff is also charm dice
buoyant summit
The current list of Exalts with rules is Solars, Abyssals, Infernals, Lunars, Alchemicals, Dragonblooded, and Exigents, right?
mighty rover
Sidereals
tulip folio
Sids are good at that
mighty rover
lore accurate
limpid badge
Ofc u forgot them… as planned…
buoyant summit
Oh my fucking God
mighty rover
good work team
merry arch
the great curse strikes again
buoyant summit
Sids are tied for the splat I've made the most characters for too!
Actually they're not tied, counting concepts!
They're in the lead!
<XD
limpid badge
i think the prophecy of bronze would have worked if u made A Special Casket Each for the Solars. gotta get their vanity.
Jade Prison wasn’t unique enough.
merry arch
in retrospect putting em all in the same box does seem kinda silly. just asking to get broken into.
merry arch
per sidereals pg.17
mighty rover
iiiiiinteresting
spring lynx
yeah iirc they hid it in the reflection of the Mask in the deepest west, which thanks to [gestures at everything] is a thing they could do
buoyant summit
What's Invictus' opinion of these happenings btw lmao
spring lynx
it was his turn on the xbox, he didn't notice for centuries
south horizon
Less memetically, The Usurpation and the decadence of the first age has had Sol kinda throw his hands up and go "Screw it"
spring lynx
oh yeah he was also Not Happy with his chosen at the time
south horizon
It's a mix of "He's not very happy, but also, it's metaphysically not his monkeys and not his circus"
The mandate of rulership of Creation was givem to the Exalted. . . and they biffed it
biffed it real fuckin hard
Funniesy shit infernals has done in lore tweaks
is making Infernalism.not this creeping subervsive element that snuck through the cracks of the First Age
but a Fad born of hubris
"Oh shit, you mean those Loser demons we locked up can give us mew heights of power if we make deals with them? Shit, why the hell not. What can they do to us, the Magnificent Exalted Host!"
Turns out, quite a fuckin bit
south horizon
in retrospect putting em all in the same box does seem kinda silly. just asking ...
tbf, catching an exaltation at all is a miracle upon miracles that took likes
a lot of planning and esoteric BS to pull off
and the only way that the deathlords even managed it was by pulling the Mask into the Underworld to fuck with the stars
the sids of the day didn't even know Void Circle was even a thing that could be done
prisma sun
Thinking of how you'd make a Naruto in Exalted
marsh garden
naruto the character?
bleak hazel
What's Invictus' opinion of these happenings btw lmao
At least in 3e, one of the magical reagents they used to build the Jade Prison was the tear Sol shed when he turned his face from creation because the solars were too damn horrific
so anywhere from "I don't like it but it's not my business anymore" to "sure I'll help" depending on how exactly they got hold of that
prisma sun
I think it's explicit that even US was like "no yeah they kinda deserved it"
tulip folio
Autocthon: "And then it broke. If you want something to last, you need a professional."
prisma sun
Isn't that guy dying because he's breaking
tulip folio
He's sorta Perpetually Dying. He's always been dying.
It's part of his nature. Like it is Malfeas' nature to be a Salty Asshole
bleak hazel
He is however dying more than usual right now
next delta
Clearly the problem is he didn't build himself
prisma sun
Auto is the Exalted version of the titan submersible guy
tulip folio
I mean, I think that's very unfair to the King of Craftsmen.
nova yew
this the shit the primordials were saying about him-
tulip folio
He's also one of the few primordials that actually tries to see things through mortal eyes. It's part of his big project.
bleak hazel
man, alchs are great
I was doing some build tinkering and there's such a contrast between trying to get max power out of Sid or even Abyssal builds (insane compatibility nonsense from 5 different trees) and getting max power out of Alch builds (I click the charms that do the things I want, they work, I take my martial art on top)
I like both, but that Alch dex tree is something else
tulip folio
It's a beefy tree.
I do wonder what will be added with the Alch expansion. Alchs have a lot of areas covered
lament owl
Theory: more Apostate stuff
Though I suppose that doesn’t actually offer any answers mechanically
tulip folio
I wouldn't mind some more sorcery support ala lunars
Or some more mental resilience stuff
velvet raft
Still debating spells to start out with for my alchemical. I noticed that if I move stuff around I can start with 4, rather than 2, which is very nice considering I don't have Int favored. Kinda thinking:
- Peacock Shadow Eyes
- Demon of the First Circle
- Thunder Wolf Howl
- Mists of Eventide
With either PCS or TWH as the control spell, maybe?
tulip folio
All of those are pretty good. MoE is a bit busted but very good.
velvet raft
There's a single point dawn in the party so
tulip folio
Oh, busted has already been achieved
velvet raft
Yeah, I would skip it otherwise.
The other mechanical thing I've gotta figure out is how exactly I'm going to modify Emerald Sunset to lose the threaten tech
south horizon
tbf
MoE is a different, less fun kind of busted
imho
because it has no defense as written
south horizon
The other mechanical thing I've gotta figure out is how exactly I'm going to mod...
what is the main social your utilizing in it's place?
or do.u want something else entirely?
velvet raft
Not positive. I want to stay away from Threaten stuff because a bunch of other party members are apparently already specialized in it. I'm meant to be more of the diplomat type.
south horizon
Prob could go with read intentions then
velvet raft
Oh, huh, that's a great idea!
south horizon
Are u scrubbing the Ligier associations?
velvet raft
Yeah, and making it Adamant
south horizon
Peoplr always forget about read intentions, but it's a really important part of the social system
velvet raft
And I'm decent-ish at it
south horizon
hmmmmm, Adamant huh. Focus, Clarity, Intensity are the typical themes for that
so ye, i can see that working as like
velvet raft
I was already pondering dropping presence to 3 and putting socialize up to 4 in its place
south horizon
a Shard from.the Crystal brain case of The Great Maker encourging unity between his champions and his spirits
velvet raft
... yeah alright, that's amazing
south horizon
Spent way too much time mulling over exalted shenanigans, so i've got a good idea or two rattling around
but ye, glad that helps
I do recc continuing to stay away from MoE though. It's just not a well-designed spell
if possible, i recommend a Reflavor of the Vitreous Heart instead
making a goo ball hazard that requires a Str of 5 to even attempt to.get off has equally strong control potential with proper environmental usage
south horizon
mhmmm
it's such a fun spell
Infernals and Alchemicals meeting
oh that's gotta be a massive bit of culture shock
bleak hazel
yeah, Mists of Eventide is fully on my banlist
it's up there with Knockout Blow in "hey, they forgot they had to make the mechanics interact with the system"
marsh garden
what do they even do that's so egregious?
bleak hazel
they are both instant knockouts
velvet raft
Alright, I'll switch it out for Glue-Condensing Incantation (this is Vitreous Heart)
south horizon
what kisc said
coral wraith
its straight up knockout gas with zero protection
south horizon
they have, as written, no counters
because Mists if not a psyche effect
nor a shaping effect
it just happens the moment u get crashed
bleak hazel
if Knockout Blow crashes you or you are crashed in the Mists of Eventide poison aura you are instantly put to sleep with no save, at which point they can just kill you
so one terrestrial circle spell one-taps Ligier if you punch him a few times
south horizon
and the control effect of Mists lets the player control them
bleak hazel
both of these are in Core, as you might expect
Knockout Blow is broken by Solar Brawl standards, which is saying something
Solar Brawl is at the level of overpowered where your opponent needs to go the entire fight without getting hit or instantly lose
marsh garden
Solar Brawl is at the level of overpowered where your opponent needs to go the e...
bwuh
do they uh
south horizon
so like, quick fixes can be thought up liking giving Mists a psyche tag and/or a resist roll and changing the control effect, or weakening it
marsh garden
ever plan to come back and errata any of this?
south horizon
that is
bleak hazel
Solar Brawl can also skip the initiative order and alpha strike you regardless of your result on join battle, so better have good parry, sucker
south horizon
a loaded question
marsh garden
oh boy
bleak hazel
nah, they don't have the budget to rerelease Core, but a lot of the more bullshit stuff doesn't exist or has a directly weaker counterpart in Abyssals
so you can use Abyssals as a kind of unofficial patch
south horizon
^
south horizon
so you can use Abyssals as a kind of unofficial patch
which sucks for abyssals, unfortunately
marsh garden
that raw they're just Solars But Worse In Every Way?
south horizon
They're not worse, they're balanced
marsh garden
(outside of intent to not make everything as fucked as solars)
south horizon
just that a lot of abyssal stuff is solar stufd
marsh garden
well yes, but balanced is worse than fuckbroken
marsh garden
which is why i said from the strict RAW standpoint
south horizon
Solars are broken in both senses of the word
marsh garden
ah, right
velvet raft
> Infernals and Alchemicals meeting
oh that's gotta be a massive bit of culture...
It's a conquer-the-south game, and my alch was sent as part of an initial expedition back to Creation many hundreds of years ago, was unable to return, and ended up in the vaults under Gem. I have it from the ST that we'll be seeing the beginning of a (not immediately violent) Locust Crusade as the game goes on
velvet raft
There are two Infernals in the group and we're probably going to be having a lot of Demon Shenanigans in our new Southern nation
marsh garden
so is there any point at which ex3 might be able to see a rerelease or patch of core?
south horizon
no time soon
marsh garden
or is it just Fucked Forever, GG Go Next
velvet raft
I do think they could stand to do an errata
south horizon
Paradox does not care much about it
marsh garden
and pray that 4e will be functional in 20 years
velvet raft
I don't think Paradox has say, does it? Ex3 is licensed by Onyx Path
bleak hazel
annoyingly there's a bunch more stuff on the officially-promised list from the original Ex3 kickstarter a decade ago
south horizon
Paradox ownsnOnyx path
marsh garden
yeah i can imagine that paradox wouldn't give a shit about ttrpgs when they have paradox game dlc money
velvet raft
Oh, huh, okay
south horizon
and everything has to go through them
bleak hazel
so we have to go through Gets and Liminals before it's into anything that might even have a shot at being an errata
marsh garden
why did they acquire exalted, anyway?
bleak hazel
and the devs don't seem too interested for obvious you-don't-make-money-on-erratas reasons
marsh garden
was it packaged with things they were more interested in?
velvet raft
THey acquired White Wolf
marsh garden
ah, they bought WW, ic
south horizon
ye
marsh garden
lol
south horizon
fuckin surprised the hell out of me
marsh garden
ow
velvet raft
Unfortunately a hit WoD vidya has yet to be forthcoming and probably never will
marsh garden
how so?
south horizon
Cannabalized a bunch of staff for wve
in return for a WoD mmo that never came to be
marsh garden
ah, yeah, that'd do it
south horizon
the char creator for eve was apparently originally for the mmo
velvet raft
White Wolf was also a really bad work environment and a lot of the books were written by non-communicating freelancers
marsh garden
the tragic fate of getting fucked forever by corpos that don't give a shit about the artistic side of anything
velvet raft
I genuinely would not expect an independent Onyx Path to do it either
south horizon
pseudo reviving
velvet raft
The errata, that is to say
velvet raft
For reasons Misc mentioned
south horizon
errata is a lot of work and exalted is not even close to the popularity it once had
south horizon
thr og 3e kickstarted was over half a million dollara
velvet raft
I could see maybe a PDF being put out for the worst offenders
marsh garden
thr og 3e kickstarted was over half a million dollara
maybe one day it'll be big again
probably not, though
velvet raft
The Ink Monkeys were a group of freelancers who basically got put in charge of the line during 2e's twilight period
south horizon
3e is too complicated and essence too simple, but maybe
bleak hazel
Fixing Solars (tm) is not the biggest concern really, since all their bullshit is siloed off in a single splat and they have the closest thing to an existing errata in Abyssals
bleak hazel
fixing the various core rule issues would be more my concern, which they took about half a stab at in Crucible but didn't fully commit
velvet raft
The Ink Monkeys were a group of freelancers who basically got put in charge of t...
And released a lot of stuff of questionable quality and extreme gonzo-ness
south horizon
Crucible feels.like it came way too late and
bleak hazel
Ambush, Grapple, fall damage and to a lesser extent soak stacking could use like a page of changes between them
also crafting, slightly
marsh garden
guess you just gotta hope that the game survives for long enough to reach a 4e with the current team and a healthy skeleton
bleak hazel
sail needs to be fully ripped out and replaced so that's a lot of work, and War just doesn't have much depth, but you can fix all the others quite easily
velvet raft
The very funny thing about this devotion to being as gonzo as possible is that one of the original devs for 3e had a thing where it was like, "how did this all become so big and silly and gonzo" and the answer was, "you, dude, you presided over a lot of that"
velvet raft
You Were The Guys Who Wrote Legends Of The Most High
bleak hazel
I wanted to climb those mountains nobody ever had the guts to climb before, I wanted to stat what they said couldn't or shouldn't be statted. And we did. And looking back, I don't think it improved the game. [...] I looked up one day and the game was all about [...] Yozis and Solars hip-tossing people across the universe and characters hijacking the sun and flying it into the Ebon Dragon's face and it was like—this is not the game I fell in love with back at Scavenger Sons, what happened here? Where's the Realm? Where's Jubei fighting the Eight Devils of Kimon? Where's the Brotherhood of the Peach Orchard swearing to reform a corrupt and crumbling empire? Where's Conan carving his legend into the kingdoms of men in fire and blood? Where's Azhrarn, Prince of Demons, falling in love with a mortal man and taking vengeance when his heart is broken? When did everything become so noisy and gonzo and clumsy?
- Holden Shearer, guy who absolutely knows the answer to all these questions