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they are gonna have 3 castes, with the social caste being very deep one coded
Shapeshifting, Psionics/Musical Mind Control and Weird Cult Shit
I do find it very funny there are apparently
Rules for the Wyld-Exalts in the Exigents splat?
Ok so
They were from a group of 3 exalts that were gonna be added alongside geitimians but the authors decided they wouldn't
Hearteaters(my beloved) are sealed horrors that used to be the dnd bards of exalts until their incarna was killed and defiled and now they are weird ego vampire cult leaders.
Dream Souled(the ones you refer to) which are people with a definitive goal in their head so strong a wyld entity gave them a bunch of power, personally while I like that sort of premise I would prefer it if they were their own Exalt-type-thing without formally being an exalt but they have weird relationships with the raksha and stuff and are also enemies of fate
Umbrals are a group of exalts created by an incarna that was sealed away by Unconquered Sun for being a Primordial Liker. They are basically Sentry/Void
Umbrals were basically created as an escape plan, so every umbral has a superpowered evil side that is 50% them and 50% a raging incarna
Though that might be me misreading the splatbook
That's by design, Rhi, they're 'apocryphral', so not written as to be assumed canon
they're like
'here's how we'd start them off'
that section of the book is basically supposed to provide you with the notes they wrote down so you can turn it into an actual splat on your own time
if you want
Ahhhh
basically the original devs promised those three plus gets and liminals to be full releases, but only got money for gets and liminals, and the new, better devs were like 'these things are cool but we odn't have the time, we'll do up samples in exigents to fulfill original promises'
'plus they kind of dilute creation a bit'
Fair enough
I have a very stupid, probably doesn't work kind of idea about them
Which is
'fuckit, these are Eclipse charms now'
I feel like dream souled would work as "not an exalt but playable" the best of those 3
both Heart Eaters and Umbrals have a big emotional core around being Former Celestials/Being The Children Of A Incarna
which tracks as to why they wouldd be exalts(doesn't know enough loree to know why that wouldn't work or isn't true)
heart eaters are fun cus they're a little inhuman
(But I was told the fact there were 2 unnamed incarna in 2e that Heart Eaters and Umbrals elaborate on)
I get why they don't have this
unironically really want to see more Get content maybe i should do in depth research on em
But I wish No Moons could learn Eclipse charms
They feel like the ones for it, especially the ones from fae
I rotate heart eaters in my brain a lot and the only problem I have with them(which is resolaveable with a book) is that they basically have an evil version of the solar problem
which is that they don't really have A Thing They Do
they just go around Heart Eating
maybe you could make a campaign about a Pilgrimage To Aurora
Sealed Horror Roadtrip Game
The Wyld Hunt can't stop me, I already have a dragon blooded prince enthralled-
My anima banner is a horde of figures in white cloaks glorifying me and chanting in latin
God-Body Consumption, perception
Ah
there is also divinity-stealing whisper which functions off of that, and spirit-sealing talisman in intelligence
I was thinking that their anima banners could come across as like, physical sensory experiences that start having minor effects at glowing and becomes a lot harsher at bonefire
The Fighty ones increase environmental pressure so people feel like they are being crushed
The Social Ones make it super humid and hard to breath
but I am not sure what to do for the fish-twilights(or since there are 3 castes I guess it would be better to say Fish No-Moons?)
I have them associated with like, undersea volcanos and glaciers and stuff, so something temprature related couldd work ig?
Was talking with about 1E and 2E Deathlord lore, and why it was sensible to make changes to it.
it's so cute thoughhhhhhh
who doesn't love a bit of misogyny in their dynamics
Karen!
ITS GREAT
karen. lmao
i didnt come to exalted for healthy dynamics
Karen this was misogyny from the writers :P
i knowwwwww
but
theres juice
esp since said 'dude' transitioned between editions (good for them good for them)
To be fair 1 and 3 are still that. Just not JUST that.
Black Heron is down-on-her-luck but iirc is not Falafel’s vassal anymore
As an agent of the Heron, that is correct
She is indebted, uncomfortably-so
But not to the point he controls her finances
Btwt
Would anyone be interested in joining the Exalted play by post server that exists
...do tell?
oh, was 1e the same as 2e?
Largely, yeah
In 2e as well
I got some friends who were interested in it
which has revitalized my desire to run it
I'll rejoin
i remember y'all talking here about the Eye being originally a...technically not genderfluid man because they had no fucking clue what that was and probably wouldn't care even if they did
but a man who shapeshifted a lot, including into a woman to troll someone he hated
and they're now agender
i guess i just didn't fully realize how much work the 3e team has put in to make things not dogwater
i would love to join, if that's fine
yeah, i'm certainly familiar with white wolf tendencies
from...a decent amount of owod
And yeah, my link expired, if you want to post a new one here
I also would love to join if possible, though understand if we are not familiar enough
(I left entirely because I try not to be in too many channels at once)
I don't like posting it in a discord just because it leaves it open to people I don't know so I'll just DM it to people
White Wolf were a bunch of pasty white nerds from Georgia (the US state) who were, for the time, actually fairly liberal and progressive, but 'for the time' was the late 90s to early 2010s for a lot of this. So there's a lto of 'there was an attempt'.
yeaahhh
which, like, I understand this a low bar, but it's better than a lot of contemporaries
definitely room for improvement, but a step forward is a step forward?
I honestly have a lot less credit for some more recent missteps made. Like managing to cause an international incident with vampires.
As that one is very 'You really should have known better/there is plenty of info these days to work with to not do this'
yeah nowadays the bar is higher
Well, the reason Russia was angry was dumb. But it isn't a great idea to have "the reason a minority is being repressed is vampires"
(particularly for a currently active situation)
yeah I don't think anyone's gonna defend that by any means
Chechnya
Ah, for some reason I thought the Russian government was the one that got angry. Thanks for the correction
...technically same difference. Chechnya is a republic within the Russian federation.
Seems complicated, but yeah
but yeah, modern politics aside, uhhhh
Que carajo?
How did that happen????
paradox not hiring editors or sanity checkers
So...some dumbass implied that an ongoing oppression and mass killing was Secretly Vampires.
And the people involved getting angry because they've not admitted they're doing that mass killing.
'Vampires can't be doing it because it's not happening!'
tbh, I think the "international outrage part" is the least important part
Yeah I
The people doing the actual thing can get fucked
But like
Bro
Vro
V r o
It's not the most important part but it's more an example of 'I'll give more credit to 90s writers as a lot of their misteps are 'research back then was hard' or 'enthusiastic but didn't think it through', not 'whatever dumbfuckery led to that'.
It's just more fun to refer to it as 'the time white wolf caused an international incident'
Yeah. I guess I find it mildly unfortunate because pissing off a place because you talk about the fact they are killing gay people is nominally good. They managed to mess it up though
Yeah like
(I think if it was vampires were taking advantage of the situation, that could be handled in an reasonable manner)
The God-Machine Chronical has an example chronical that has a decent way of handling this. They use an unnamed country, but the God-Machine is using homophobic hate to try and trigger enough sacrifices for its terrible plan. The PCs find out that killing the God-Machine's angel doesn't fix the problem, or even that the homophobia was significantly triggered by said angel.
i was worried about pdf stuff
Ahhhh
Doing up a First Circle Machine Spirit for my friend because they are very fun.
Wirewool Sheep. Machine spirits who's job is to clean pipes. They do so by crawling inside and rolling around to scrub it with their metal fuzz.
Primary Actions: Environmental Resistance, Fit Into Tight Spaces, Being Cute
okay my capos @merry arch @limpid badge
is iosefine a:
- twilight solar
- secrets sid
- infernal
iosefine certified
Twilight
you got a genie for your charge d'affaires
She’s going to limit break so fucking hard ash
She is going to crash out so hard it will make the usurpation look justified
yeah i like the irony and dissonance of her being a solar
Good news, they come in 'teacup pet' sizes all the way to 'bulldozer' size
She can’t do Secrets, for hers is the Walk of Kings, neh?
it'svery fun
For a variety of pipes
aspen by creation standards im pretty sure io is like. pretty good head of state.
... how do you even get a von ludra situation in Creation
what's iosefine
slavery is like
tuesday
oh of course im just basing my understanding of her off lancer and it's a fun dissonance from the original character
Yeah. I might go with like 3 sizes of them. Tiny, Normal and Legendary Size.
The Legendary Size ones are going to be the Least Scary Legendary Size creatures you've ever seen. XD
Baroness-In-Exile Iosefine Elia Eirene von Ludra, Baronic Intelligence
oh is this a ktb character
yes
yep
gotcha
probably from one of the shogunate successor states
I will point out one could do a former Dynast sid
And pull an Iselsi Dogara but for another House
Scouring Wool: If the Wirewool Sheep decides it, targets grappling or grappled by it suffer an environmental hazard (Exalted, p. 230) that deals 3L/round, with difficulty 5.
Do not grab the sheep without its permission.
It's designed to scour through stuff like 'this pipe is clogged by metal that should be liquid but has hardened'
It's a little buzzsaw if it wants to be
hm. building sorcerers is more annoying than I expected.
I do gotta take a crack at making the 12 Shadows Sorcerous Style
what's troubling you?
I can't quite figure out how to actually buy through sorcery at chargen
What exalt type?
Depends on the exalt in question but usually it's
solar
- Get the sorcery charm
You just need the initiation charm
Generally, sorcerers are less 'I do all the sorcery' and more 'I have a few, specific spells I focus on'
Yeah, the bonus XP cost is the thing I can't quite get my head around
Like RiRi is a very sorcery focused person and she's got...4 spells.
Usually you buy them like charms
notably you can also just grab spells as if they were one of your 15 starting charms at chargen
and they count towards that limit, but are otherwise free
ah, I see
also, chargen only gives me rules for e2 - if I'm making e3 do I just start tossing XP in or
Though, with the rider that you can do whatever with sorcerous works if you spend enough time
GM is sorcery based and I only had room for 2 spells, really - it helps that Sid charms do goofy things too
Okay so a weakness (A deliberate one) of the wirewool sheep - They have that big anti-grapple trait but they can't actually grapple well themselves.
They're shaped like a sheep
Sheep don't grab things well. XD
I was thinking Cantata - Death Ray - travel - ISOB - butterflies (control)
Death Ray? That's solar circle. iirc you said you were essence 3?
shit.
you gotta go through the same steps as everyone else
I was missing the supernal one 
I don't think you can supernal sorcery
It's kind of funny how little investment Sorcery involves mechanically vs what it involves narratively
yeah you cant, no skipping
alright, cantata - travel - isob - butterflies (control) seems reasonable
i'm sure there's sorcery elsewhere but I do not have those books
So to get the higher tier spells, you also have to take the higher tier initiations
it's also a direct riff off of her hecatonchieres!
Which has the upside of getting you an extra ... thing that gets you sorcereous motes, plus an extra control spell (at that higher tier)
the lancer version of her has beautiful clouds of nanite butterflies
shaping ritual
So you'll have two control spells and two shaping rituals
oh that's gorgeous
not my art, but retrograde always kills it
hm. I wonder if travel control is worth it
being able to say "I'm teleporting my whole circle 30 miles away, later" seems very powerful
on the other hand isob control is a classic
The control effect makes it so much better I think
The fact that it can be cast in combat time is pretty wild as an escape tool
damn, the sorcery flavor text gasses you up way harder than the necro text lol
Yeah, it's literally a free get-out-of-jail card

"Weak shit"
Get jumped? Incorrect
me when I Journeys deez nuts teleports anywhere in creation or heaven
Toxic Purification Protocols (10m, 1wp; Reflexive; One Hour; Essence 2)
The Wirewool Sheep cleanses out to short range around it, scrubbing it of dangerous substances. Characters in the area are immune to any environmental Shaping effects, and Non-Supernatural poisons and diseases are removed from the area. Characters in the affected area gain +1 Non-Charm successes to resist other Shaping Effects, Toxins and Diseases. She instinctively senses such perils in time to use this Charm, and can use it even while asleep or incapacitated.
If the Wirewool Sheep renews this Charm at the end of its duration, she waives its Willpower cost.
The Wirewool Sheep doesn't have many combat charms but the charms it has are still very valuable for society
Hmm, good thing it doesn't involve a very unpleasent scrubbing with the wirewool
That's the other charm 😛
Where it can cause a willing person up to 3 automatic health levels of lethal damage to add that many non-charm successes to resist poisons and disease.
I hope there is a group of nomadic wiresheep herders that trim their wires for stuff
This is because core had a very vad tendency to work flavor text and mechanical.text into each other
and every book.sense works very hard to.keep.them.seperate
which can lead to some dry descriptions but also leads to less confusion on how certain charms worm
also something something paid by the word
don't knownif that bit is actually trur
Rough Wool Cleansing (3m; Reflexive; Instant; Essence 1)
One willing character in Close Range can suffer up to 3 automatic health levels of lethal damage to add the same number of non-charm successes to resist or recover from a Shaping Effect, Poison or Disease.
ouch but also, very useful
especially against stuff like Blights
This is the flavour text for Shadow Circle Necromancy by comparison:
The Abyssal has stained her soul with dread magics and
forbidden rites, a price gladly paid in pursuit of power.
does that include shaping (mind) effects?
those are shaping effects, yeah.
It's not cheap but the benefit is worth it, especially if you're a mortal who otherwise doesn't have a way to get a boost on this
was just wondering if that was the intent or if it was just a physical cleansing
I'm gunna say it works on mental and spiritual too because it's a machine spirit
it's a spiritual being itself. XD
If you encounter a sid and hit shaping(Fate) it's a bit weirder but imagine it just rolling along the strings of fate bowling over spiders
And Lunars Celestial Circle Sorcery:
Attaining the sublime heights of the Celestial Circle, the Lunar returns to the world bearing wisdom that burns
They hadn't started using separate red text for flavor yet here
"What the fuck, they can just do that?"
Pattern Spider: shrugs
I also stole a charm from a demon becuase A) It fit them B) It's very funny.
Pipe-Cleaning Spinning (6m, 1wp; Reflexive; One scene; Eclipse; Essence 1): Rotating through pipes at high speed, Wirewool Sheep can move vertically as well as horizontally as long as it has a surface to spin on. Eclipses with this Charm must spin as well, either by dropping prone and rolling bodily or turning rapidly in circles.
Machine Spirits are basically the same as demons right? Just without the surrender oath stuff?
The big distinction is their default form is material
They have dematerialize instead of materialize
🤔 that's an artifact of being in Autocthon right?
Are demons in Malfeas materialized by default?
I believe so, yeah
Though even outside of that, machine spirits would be
Becuase their way of working is...well, let's be frank: They're AI
If they dematerialize, they leave the body behind
It's just no longer got them in it.
Oh, huh. Interesting. I missed that detail
Demons are unable to dematerializein malfeas i think
same with Yu shan and the underworld, though that may be old lore
Yeah, while machine spirits can just Go To The Internet
I think it is current with Yu Shan
Oh, the other big distinction is one related to the surrender oaths.
You can't bind machine spirits
mhmm
They won the war
and los tthe battle
Good thing most of them are friendly. At least to the beings most likely to summon them in Autocthon
Yeah. They're noted to be Pretty Nice Guys as long as you remember they care about the job a lot
mhmm
Like the guys who are basicly flying security cameras are entirely willing to go spot things for you.
Becuase...well, they need to be going places and looking at things regardless.
They might as well do it and help a human
(It looks like Ghosts are materialized in the underworld)
ye
Summoning Divine Ministers are beyond the reach of Alchemicals right (being thrid circle equivalents)
Creation is the only place most spirits can materialize in
pretty much, yeah
at least via sorcery
technically though
an Alchemical can just
go find them and talk to them
unlike Third circles and Hekatonkhires, they're in the same level of existence
and have defined places they tend to be at
Luckily they have the ability to just go 'RE: My Last Email'
mhmm
Okay so still need to write up fluff about them but provisional version of them:
They're not really combatants
it's a fun aspect of Autocthon how the interaction between spirits and humans is a lot more
well
Even if they can get really big
strong
So they have zero offensive charms
wasn't always that way, but it's equalized to a point where the humans of autocthon can make connections witht heir gods and are much, much more likely to get an answer from the highest ones than ones in Creation would
i want 10
...ironically despite being not really About Combat, I think a Legendary Size one would beat a blood ape purely out of 'The blood ape is an unarmed grappler'
Unless the ape just Picked Up A Big Stick
ye, very bad match up for the blood ape
This is not exactly easy though. I feel like Autocthon is harder to transverse than Hell or the Underworld?
It's not easy, that is true
but it's a lot more possible
Because 3CD and Heka's are
much less amenable at a base level
True
also, I'd def say autobot is harder to traverse than the underworld
Malfeas though?
that i'm less certain of
I'd say they're about equalk
Like gods and demons, subministers are dematerialized by default.
Huh
Hell seems less deadly than Autocthon, and also less cramped? Lots of random demons will give you a ride too it sounds like
When I try to make my courtly argument against the sid:
But Autochthonia has human cities and kingdoms
And even the wilds are more predictable
I think my take is: 'Autocthon is much safer to be with people in, more predictably dangerous to be traveling uncharted areas'.
I feel they're both equally dangerous to traverse for different reasons, and that the hazards of Malfeas tend to be a lot more than the hazards of autobot to level out
every couple years in Hell it stretches like a cat and two layers smash into one another or one layer gets split into two
Yeah, that sounds right
So like, yeah...the chance of you dying a given path is likely higher than malfeas but who the fuck knows how you'll die in malfeas, you can't prepare for that shit
Malfeas, you can just end up the unlucky sod walking on a layer when malfeas decided
you know what, mashing these two layers together now
Going a given path in Autocthonia you'll have 'Yeah, you need to head past the Lightning Shitting Organ'
Very deadly but the lightning shitting organ always be shitting lightning
It won't randomly decide it Wants Your Bones
Yeah, I guess it's more higher variance in hell? But going between settlements in Autocthon involves more uncharted maze like paths through the least OSHA compliant industrial zone the world has ever seen
But maybe there is more of a regular human perspective for how dangerous Autocthon is described and that's colouring how I view things
I actually just did up some guys based on how dangerous it is to travel/maintain things.
Though that does require a rather high ratio of Exalted : Humans to keep things going. If Hell had a few hundred exalted dedicated to keeping humans alive it might have more human settlements too XD
But I guess ultimately I wonder: how easy is it to get to where the divine ministers/sub-ministers live? For some reason I get the impression than once you are in hell, it isn't too difficult to find most of the 3rd/second circle demons
i'd say that's a matter of perspective
like it's not hard to see where ligier is, technically
a lot of 3CDs are larger than life
a lot of them are also innately dangerous to be around, or are in places that are innately hostile
'tis in the name
unlike the Divine Ministers, 3CD are a lot more chaotic in where they can be
and hwo they might react
they're all constantly doing stuff according to their nature, which may be self-contradcitory
the Ministers are nearly always in their specific work areas, doing their jobs
might be an issue to find them, but you have a decent idea where to start and they're very unlikely to just kill you fro approaching them. well if we're talking Infernals for 3CD than they prob won't kill you either
but yeah, as you stated, the big thing about Malfeas is that there's a ton of variance
It looks like some of the subministers are stationed near human settlements, so clearly those aren't hard to find, ha
mhmm
Ku is both easiest and hardest to find
As his general location is 'Right behind you'
I didnt know Falafle also had a warstrider
yerp
Fafl has the biggest army and military industrail complex situation going
of any of the deathlords
the issue is he's been kept away from all of it because the neverborn opened their eyes just a wee bit to see him not doing his job
and went "hey. . the fuck are you doing."
and then zapped him with 5 bajillion necrotic killajoults of "get back to work"
adn also banished him from his source of power
Fafl is very neat to me because out of all of the deathlords, you really get the sense of fallen grandeur from him
iirc he has a giant army but is not close to anywhere he can effectively use it. Though maybe that was 2e lore?
no that's still true, ye
part of his punishment for trying to focus too much on underworld conquest
him and eye are the two deathlords who least want anything to do with teh Chilvary or the Neverborn's grand plan
factor i tend to focus on when it comes to Fafl is that idea that he is always, constantly, and eternally in unending agony
and thus this shapes a lot of how he interacts with everyone aorund him
I even made a bit where the way his armor constricts and impales him shifts every so often to keep the pain fresh
He's the death lord that more than any others feels obssesed with past glory
So my Endings who was giving Ketchup an aneurysm by working with Infernals
of what he 8once* was
may now also be working with an Abyssal
oh?
If gk decides to play one xD
OH fun
ketchup
yerp, ketchup
the "old man yells at cloud"sid
also probably the oldest exalt alive i thiiink
aside from rakan, who cheated
one of the extremely few that was alive for the Usurpation
canonically it's like. . . him, rakan, a few unnamed sid elders, Raksi, Ma hasuchi, leviathan, Sublime danger. . . annnd that's all i can really recall
my sid, Grinning Mask, dearly dislikes him
he does not seem like a nice man, tbh
or well
not mean
but comes across as very gruff
lol
that is a fair stance, but i can see hwo that'd color how they'd run Ketchup,ye
bunch of status quo toadies that are stopping actual progress from happening
Bronze and gold isn't quite like that in my opinion but that's aprettysuccinct way to describe a lot of them yeah
very much a "if it ain't broke dont'fix it, becuase look what happened the last time we tried to fix it"
ayesa looks up to him as an example of sterling service to destiny and the order of creation. shes been a sid for like a year she needs time to realize grandpas kinda lame
lol
i dont think GM will get to having Chejop on screen in my game but if they do i will have such a good time getting to play a tired old man that kinda sucks
ye
Oh yeah they're not really like that, that's just GM's point of view 
ah, gotcha
Yippee!
But yeah, Chejop is a fun character in that he is a man with A TON of regrets
but he's married to his work, and his committed as hell to his job in a organization where that is
surprsiingly rare
for the ones keeping the lights of the entire world on
but suffering two concurrent apocalypses will do that
Mhm
For reference, one of GM's Defining principles is
The Bronze Faction's obsession with stability paved the way for the terrors of the Great Contagion. To truly enact peace in Creation, radical ideas must be embraced.
heehoo
they
yes
They are in 3e yeah
huh
but yeah, Chejop is neat being an old man at the end of his rope whose perhaps open to trying something new but isn't quite ready to let go of old habits
Fafl is fun because they're very much a figure of immense glroy and cruelty
reading the 2e story of Varan, the spirit that they trapped in their sword to live in eternal torment, really brings to light what a awful acto f malice that was
and the reason that they did it is also . . . not obvious but fun to interpret
Now with fluff!
Wirewool Sheep
Covered in brilliant golden metal wool, Wirewool Sheep maintain the veins and arteries of Autocthon. They compact themselves within the many tubes and pipes that transfer fluids and gasses within the Primordial World-God, starting to spin and scratch their wool against the walls to clean the tubes of accumulated substances and muck.
Particularly friendly by First Circle machine spirit standards, Wirewool sheep are placid and gentle when not faced with mess or gremlins, content to graze upon metal shavings and allow their wool to be harvested for flexible metal garments. More importantly, however, their nature as Marine Spirits of Purification gives them unmatched ability to protect others from hazards. It is not uncommon to find a Wirewool sheep rolling towards a gas leak or a gremlin incursion to hold back danger with their purity of spirit and powerful cleansing protocols.
They are popular among doctors and small children alike, many Wirewool sheep often take up the role of mascot for convoys of traveling doctors that perform outreach to the tunnel people or support villages too small to have a Metropolis guarding them.
It appears likely that I will be playing a Locust Diplomat
Ye
based on what y'all have said about the locust crusade
Alchemical sent back to Creation to look into the safety of reconnecting, currently stuck
"Hello! I, one of the Heavens' Chosen of Battles, have been given a lightsaber. That is about to be everyone's problem."
single point...
i know nothing about that, except that it's apparently The Best One In The Game
what makes it so oppressive?
I believe I regaled you with this already
"Hello, my sword has its own Initiative track and turn now."
Look
please understand my memory is very poor and i asked a lot of questions
most of the answers i even remember!!
I didn't wanna make my fourth fucking Even Blade character
xD
Oh I wasn't admonishing your memory
i was
Infernals can do this with tentacles sorta, but not nearly so well
two of which I am actively playing
Single Point is very Alpha Strik-y. It ends battles fast because it's defensive tools are very minor.
Also it's like
The Weeb Style
To be a bit unkind
and I'm making a Sid with a beamklave
I'm making a fucking Jedi
I gotta do the bit
i think my initial plans for pbp char is ghost-archer who is addicted to eating souls, and so snipes them out of people
Oh, I suppose I could have gone VBOS
but only after kidnapping them for Most Dangerous Game scenarios
lol
And both of the characters I'm playing who have EB likely won't get to show it off for a while cuz one is an npc who the pcs are not gonna fight for
It's weird the single sword style got the extra initiative track instead of the multi-sword multiattack one lol
are there any grapple MAs?
sick
Toad
one of the stances of Even Blade is grappling based
Everyone remembers 'tanky as fuck' for toad but it's also the 'roll around with a guy while coated in poison' style
neat
i assume the initial intent was for the tankbeast design to enable slow grind-out poison gameplay and then it uh
was just the better part?
lightning is peak, it's true
technically it's 'baleful energy' but like
c'mon
Also I am now having to figure out what Sids would call
a lightsaber
They'd probably give it an artful-yet-minimalist and informative name
lightsaber

hi everyone i've made an Awful Little Creature
Unfortunately core book Steel Devil was taught wrong as a joke
She seems mentally healthy.
she kind of wishes she wasn't alive, but must soldier through
RiRi: "Hugs needed!"
i appreciate that she has the fucking general grevious/Cyn murder drones/patriot arknights cadence
or a flavor of such
? w?
choked and stilted sentences with a lot of repetition are a great sign of a completely physically and emotionally intact person!
it's a stutter if my memory serves
Oh yes yes~! her stutter~!
ohhh
Yeah, its meant to represent her stutter, she has a stop-repeat stutter.
that's not how i usually see stutters depicted in text, so i interpreted it as an adjacent but different thing
my bad
Its all good~!
Its a stutter that breaks up her sentances by having her stop, then start back over speaking, interrupting her thoughts and making her repeat herself to finish
Usually focused on smaller/filler words as the point where she has a break
ye most stutters depicted in media are repetition stutters like w-w-what type shit. arby seems to have a variation on a block stutter which is why she's stopping and starting because she can't get the word out
RiRi: "Activating Modular Hug Protocols. Optimizing Hug. Preparing Delivery." <-100% how she'd respond to her.
My name is. Is Arablissa of the. Of the Ixian Reach. I would ask you. Ask you to surrender. Or I will have to. Have to do something.... really unpleasant. Please.
Do Not Hug That Frankenstein
oh nice, is this a liminal?
She Bites
nope she's an infernal~
nah she's an infernal who got exploded by a demon
covered in these awful scars from her Chrysalis kind of exploding her a little bit
they will eventually become Mouths
awful!
because infernal brawl is funny
i love putting mouths where they don't belong
this would help her so much but it will get you bitten if she's not feeling well.
lamprey mouths are such fucked up creature design
luckily im pretty sure RiRi counts as Not Able to Be Eaten for the purpose of her Metagaos charms
good job alchs!
Luckily, RiRi has Stamina Excellency.
i've put a few too many of those in my pcs' eyes
Psyche-Stabilizing Beacon is a really funny Alch charm as it's just 'Best Hugs', as a charm. If she comforts someone, she can break a Psyche effect they're suffereing or decrease a derangement by 1 level. XD
ye, devil body for everyone but azimuth likes -4s cos otherwise you fall over incap'd after u exit devil-body
oh RiRi i need you to hug her before she starts beating her soldiers to death and devouring them for cowardice
i neeed you to like her before you see arby do this thing
For all the things that Infernals turn into, it's funny that Gazelle Carp is one of the ones basicly forbidden to them.
As that martial art makes you stop existing if you ever hit a -4 damage level
dreaming pearl does that too don't it
Aww, I missed Chejop Chat
which is her extending a parasitic umbilical cord and mutating someone nearby into a War-Avatar
(usually her Familiar, a chimera-behemoth made by some Neomah)
I do have to mention that one of the big things for CK is that about a millennium ago he was a) still old as fuck and b) leading the radical faction of anti-First Age revolutionaries
so while he is currently the living embodiment of the status quo he is very much capable of other things
CK has basicly never been young.
Which is funny as like...there are other old sids and a lot of them don't wear the years as visibly as he does.
whether he wants to is another thing but it's notable that his defining motivation is "justify past sacrifices" not "ooh rah up the Realm"
The guy just Became Old alongside other sids who still looked 20 at the time
He still kind of sucks but in a complicated and useful way
also! hell of a charmlist ive given her here. hell of a charmlist.
Isn't he fairly close to the end of his allotted time?
Within a few decades to centuries, nobody is quite sure
Oh, she's got the C.S Lewis charm. That's a good charm.
which one is that iki
That Hideous Strength
It's the name of one of his books
Theological Science Fiction
The Battles Caste the Bureau Trusted With a Lightsaber
She looks like she kills younglings
ah!! yeah its also just a good charm since im doing a War/Resist/Brawl Azimuth here
Luckily there are many essence 1 solars who theoretically count as younglings
"You attest you've mastered the sword?"
"Show me~"
Year-old Dawn "What the fu-"
She is kind of Yang + Anakin in all honesty
Glacier Jade's (My Sid) blade is kinda a lightsaber. It uses the rules.
beamklave rules?
Whirling Snowflake is a hilt without a blade, seemingly useless. When drawn by an attuned wielder, a blade of ice and snow forms, as fragile as its namesake but refusing to break no matter the pressure brought upon it.
Yeah, though it's ice and snow, not laser
Oddly my greatest swordmaster exalt uses Crane Style
which is not traditionally a sword style
hook sword moment
Gleam's E5 build has PAOC form so he can use regular swords also
The nature of Crane also allows him to counter Single Point because double action econ means he gets double counterattacks
which makes it a vaguely normal fight rather than Silly
lol
1kblades and Bear still very dangerous
my lightsaber sid is an even blade stylist
She was single point in her first stages
But the style
bores me to feckin tears
Really if I wanted to charop Gleam I'd add Single Point to form
and take Crane, Single Point and Soulfire Shaper Form simultaneously
only works in PAOC Form because Hook-Swords are not compatible with single point, but it's an impressive bladestorm
hm, someone mentioned the centipede ma style earlier, but i can't find it in any book
is it in infernals?
or am i just blind
It might be lunars? I remember seeing it
that was correct, thank you!
There is a spreadsheet somewhere that lists all the MAs and where they are
yeah i just forgot about it lmao
i even have it open in a tab
and remembering it is how i found bear style
(i forgot many-faced strangers was a book)
i have a lot of referencing to do...
i'll have to take a look at that after i finish oohing and aahing at bear and toad
oh right i got distracted by other things before i posted this but
if this ain't just the plainest fuckin summary of the Solars Versus Deebs philosophy
"martial arts thing: supplementary cool thing"
"if you're a celestial it's free, if you're a terrestrial it's forbidden"
what non-terrestrial splats don't have mastery, anyway?
just alchs?
Infernals, Solars and Abyssals have always-on Mastery, Lunars and Alchs don't have Mastery but can seamlessly combine their exalt charms with MA charms which gives them a distinct advantage, Sids get Mastery in Form or after purchasing the entirety of an MA tree
I assume Gets will have the same or very similar caveats as Sids
(It's eternally annoying that Solaroids get easier Mastery than Sids)
gotcha
i still need to read up on lunars and alchs
what about their status as attribute exalts makes MA more seamless for them?
i don't really know what the differences are yet
i've heard mention of "essence exalt" and "ability exalt", and i assume solaroids are the latter, but i have no idea what the former would entail
is it just entirely freeform blobs of charm trees locked by nothing but essence and their own charm prereqs?
You can't combine charms from two abilities unless they expressly say so, as you'll only be rolling one of them.
But dice pools are made of Attribute + Ability
Yep!
So because Piston-Driven Megaton Hammer is a strength charm, it can work on any attack that uses strength.
yup
Melee, Brawl, Martial Arts etc
gotcha
sorry, should have been clarified that
thw downside is
Sids cheat this by having Versatile on a lot of charms, which just lets them Do It Anyway.
MA can't have favored costs
so making an Archery or Brawl attack would let you use dex charms, because that's the attack roll
(unless you're attacking with str)
and for Lunars u can't mix MA with animal forms
Yep!
"it is a move that uses str and dex"
"so you can use str and dex charms"
okay so it does check per-roll, cool cool
makes sense
so what's up with essence exalts?
is it just this thing?
and i assume that would be exigents
dunno what else
Exigents are varied
liminals i guess?
They can be ability, attribute, or essence
making wild guesses
Liminals and Gets, as far as we know, will be attribute
So for example, an Alch gets Smashing on martial arts unarmed attacks
Essence is only select Exigents as far as canon ones
Becuase Iron Knuckle doesn't care about brawl vs unarmed
Essence based exalts depends entirely onnwhat their charm set says tbqh
okay so essence is just Fucking Sorcery and is shorthand for "this one has no rules"
because essence based just means "Your concept is too weird or specific to fit into the existing framework"
what're common demands?
it has rules
if there are any
they're just very unique
Alchs also have the 'Anti Sidereal Bullshit' charm.
or is this just "it's really hard to describe just go read the exigent book"
which is a reasonable answer
hard to describe off the cuff, yeah
'Ninjas can't punch you, if you're electrified'
one of the essence based exigents
god exalted loves the word puissant
fucking everything is full of puissance
Another is focused on the concept of gambling and has a mechanic that lets you swap out dice roll results
The 'no touching me' field can get very scary
Being potentially 10 dice of aggravated damage
jeez
What tag am I looking for that lets me add a melee charm to a martial arts attack again?
apparently versatile
does versatile just mean "can apply to MA" or is it a blanket "can apply cross-ability"?
Still not 100% sure what to think of this Alch charm but it's just generally very fun as 'fuck it, redlining my exalt'
understrandable
damn, where's my fucking sam porter understrandable gif
i've lost it...
fun and evocative "Become Bane" charm
i will say
my.big.issue with alchemical strength
too many Simple.charms
staring at you in disappointment
really loading up on being the big hitter can take awhile
wondering where the archery MA is
i think wood dragon is the only one
and it's more about using the bow as a wacking stick
yeah but it's fucking glorpshit
kinda sorta
until u get the best in combat healing.charm innthe game
to this day
yeah but i'm not looking for a Shoot My Bow martial art to get combat healing or staff fighting
fair mood, ye
the priorities are just different
the immaculaye dragon styles are a bit funky
i think Earth is the only like
good one
also question: can you use any number of applicable supplemental charms at the same time?
or do they have to be like
yes
as long as they apply
thanks
Yeah, though that one at least has an upgrade for a reflexive trigger.
the main bit about supplementals is just they have to be used when the attack is declared
wait why does this have instant duration if it lasts for...an ambiguous? amount of time
(also att exalts can get to stat 6?)
(do they get up to 10 naturally?)
They get it instead of being able to shapeshift.
gotcha, eight
ahn8
ahhhh, bonus dice are still charm dice?
if it's over 5, ye
Yeah. Alchemicals are basicly an Energiser Bunny Exalt
They get a certain amount of 'free' excellency every time they roll
Very efficient boosts
zamn
but their spikes aren't as high
thsir charm.set also has the highest amount of non charm boosters
because their innate dice caps starta low
Attribute+ess
Though notably - This does mean that High Essence Alchs are scary fuckers
As they start getting the same excelency as other exalts
indeed
and also the scary thing
Alchemical buff each other
with their anima effects
so a full squad is spooky
lil bit, lot bit
they used to be terrestrial but not really in 2e
and 3e just went "yeah they're celestial"
An interesting thing with Alchs - No matter what your stats, no matter what your caste, you'll always be pretty decent with at least one social action
mhmm
works well with their role as the people'a champion
or the arm of the government
why's that?
or possibly how's that?
Commanding Authority (5m; Supplemental; Instant): The Alchemical adds (higher of Essence or 3) non-Charm dice on a persuade roll that leverages a positive Tie to herself or a community she serves. Once per day, she can retry a failed persuade roll without resetting it.
Ori get this. Soulsteel get Being Scary, Moonsilver get Lying, Jade Caste get 'fuck you Abyssals/Infernals, I reject your negative intimacies' etc
It's also why the alch castes all get '1 physical, 1 mental and 1 social' for their attributes. It's not like Lunars who are 'all physical', 'all mental' etc
and that is shown very well innthe anima effects
Alchs are designed to be All Around Cool Guys
Where even the biggest beatstick alch has something mental and something social they're good at
They's specialized but also have to be like
able to adapt
because they're meant to help the problems of a whole community
and with how resource intensive making alchemicals is
gotta make sure they're multi-faceted
Their role bonuses are a good example of that.
They've all got themes but they're less 'skill your good at' and more 'how you approach the problem'
yeah, Alchs are very much designed to be Champions of the People
so they're multifaceted by nature
nice
Champions of the people
Slowly sliding soulsteel and starmetal behind the curtain
that's being a bit mean to starmetals, tbf
Soulsteels though. . .
Even Soulsteels are not really required to be evil. They're just kinda a bit of a hardass dick.
They're scary and do not compromise
But then, sometimes not compromising is the right thing to do. You can't compromise with evil.
Soulsteel are, ironically, likely one of the most 'Paladin' castes, if you want to play that way. They're hard edged and unwilling to accept any evil.
it's the fun messy aspect of Alchemicals though
athey are made to serve communities
but which community that is
is not always clear
especially in a place like autocthonia
where body snatchers and hypnotic parasites are a real and present danger
and if u make a wrong call and a gremlin gets into a food supply . .
that aspect of tension between what you are, what your society asks you to be and what you want to br
is a very fun part of alchemicals
Like my boi, Luminous Vertex Aspiration, who is an Estasian Adamant Caste who was designed to be a shining beacon and leader that boosts morale, which he can be but after a fight vs a Blight colussus went wrong he dedicated himself to an almost insane degree on combat prowess in order to make sure that he never loses anyone again
and also hides from the trauma of all that by losing himself in Clarity
I love when Limit mechanics are actually engaging
Bear is the only truly 100% grapple focused MA. I would estimate that Falcon is a close second, then Mantis as an even closer third, then Centipede, and then there are various grapple charms here and there in a bunch of other things.
Tiger has some neat grapple stuff, for instance
A CMOS grappler sid might be pretty wild
... Wait isn't savaging the main way you do damage in a grapple
as far as i know, yeah
You can't savage with garrottes, so they can't actually deal damage in a grapple
hm
where are garottes?
do they not have the grapple tag/can weapons with the grapple tag not perform grapple actions like savage and throw?
Savaging specifies unarmed in the rules
Savaging is unarmed-only by RAW
You can initiate a grapple with a grapple weapon
AIUI a lot of people will let you savage with other stuff
yeah, that doesn't seem super intuitive not to
maybe with like a whip
but that's only if you're framing it as a cowboy movie lasso
and i dunno if it even has grapple in exalted
It does
Also: surely this is a normal spread of ability points prior to bonus points/xp
lmao wtf
There are so many different things I want, Rhi
So many things
Tangentially related: hmmmm modified sky titan stat block for an exceptionally gigantic bee
This is a stinger attack now or something
The giant bee has a beak and a long neck?
I once came up with two Souls of Cythera.
A mad scientist soul whose landscape form was a bounded ring of plasma
And a Soul themed around listening and communication who was mutilated by the Exalted host for fear that she might given turn Gaia against the Exalted.
Stinger!
Do the Dual Monarchs count as a polycule
...
Are they married????
Like is this a marriage situation or a sibling situation
Or both
Or neither
Is this a plurality situation?
There’s questions to be asked
They are married
Breath and Essence Control
Close Your Eyes and Look
Death Between Heartbeats
Sudden Revelation
Even Blade Form (Radiant Breath)
Professorial Mien
The Methodology of Secrets
Of Horrors Best Unknown
Meditation on Violence
Harmony of Blows
Orchestration of Conflict
Unweaving Method
Ox-Body Technique
Ox-Body Technique
Ordained Bridle of Mercury
Spirit-Shape Companion
Ascending Destiny Mien
Battle-Fellow Attitude
Bestowing the Crimson Banner``` What should I add to my E2 Jedisid's charmlist? I have 3 BP to spend
Oh, I'm dumb. I somehow totally missed the "modified" part of your statement lol
Oh okay it’s a polycule then
look upon the statline of an E2 Battles Dance Machine
noice
waow
She is the Daughter of Chishaia, the Echo of Staccato Steps, God(dess) of Dance, Revelry, and Challenge
Who I am basing very much on Carmen Amaya
Her portfolio of Challenge comes from being derided by the previous God of Dance and other Gods of Revelries (though not necessarily with the element of misogyny in Carmen's own life)
And uh
Beating him
Handily
In a dancing competition during an exceedingly well-attended festival
Sadly the only Dance eclipse charms are some of Stanewald's dances or Gilmynes' dance of fear
To be fair: There is a lot of Stanewald Dances
this character sounds great
Felmaian (the character herself)'s jacket is a military coat with fringe, inspired by one of Amaya's dancing outfits
"ORIGINAL GYPSY DANCES" ( HOLLYWOOD 1941 ) con CARMEN AMAYA
just some of the "was one of the greatest dancers in history, woman and so faced constant interference and harassment from misogyny"
and i assume not appropriately recognized during her lifetime
There are, but they all have to do with stone
All of Stanewald's dances are unfortunately kinda on the same theme of destroying rocks
She actually became known as the greatest flamenco dancer of all time
oh sick, that wasn't posthumous?
She's the reason a lot of people associate flamenco with fem dancers
Because she changed the game and became better than the men and recognized as such
hell yeah
Also the name of the god, Chishaia
Or rather her sobriquet, Echo of Staccato Steps
Is because holy fuck there's a lot of tap-stomping
Sids are admittedly not lacking in their own dancing charms
Dance Combat is their very first performance charm.
we ain't but also aaaaaaaaa
It occurs to me that almost every Serenities sid I've ever seen has fit rather neatly into two personality archetypes: "I'm going to beat the shit out of evil" and "I suffer from chronic depression, anxiety, and seventeen other spiritual maladies as a direct result of my job."
one of the two or both at once?
oh my bluesid is just lazy as fuck and likes partying too much to work
a third, secret thing
I'd dispute that but my Serenities is exactly that second one.
she just gets frustrated when people get in the way of her being lazy. or when Venus gets on her case about being a slacker. then she'll pick up the slack on her caseload
her previous incarnation was a very diligent worker so
the division is begrudgingly accepting of their new coworker being a slacker
Venus: "Have you gone and gotten laid yet?" "Noooo I'm too busy sleeping and drinking"
lmfao
Venus and my Sid's mother, despite the former being one of the people who can see fate, are annoyed she Exalted as a Chosen of Mars
your Sid's mother can remember her?
God-Blooded of a god of Dance
The Lazy Sisters Would Like To Give You a Beer and Blunt
One of my two main sids flirted with stanewald over the fact she's in charge of BUILDINGS ending.
Stuff like 'Hey this Fortress needs to be destroyed. Go make sure that happens'
Making an Infernal called Exposition By Way Of The Fist who uses Thousand Blades with smashfists, AMA
have you considered naming them Exposition By Way Of The Fist Who Uses Thousand Blades With Smashfists?
I had not, but I'll think about it :D
Wait should they be god-kicking boots instead of smashfists
That would be Exhibition of the Righteousness of the Boot
You know, it's hard to find art of someone riding a pig
There's not a lot of it
There's lot of photos of people riding pigs
Unrelated: I just noticed we do have some full-body art of a dragon in Adversaries of the Righteous
Huh, more feathers than expected
or is that fur
Presumably there's a fair amount of variation in both size and aesthetic particulars
That's a weird looking dragon
Its fashion sense sucks >_>
I have encountered I think my favorite martial art
But it is sadly
in These Pages Are Knives
and thus homebrew
xD
What's the locust crusade look like in 3e
It's not been written about, but for starters it shouldn't be immediate hostilities
is that particularly prominent homebrew?
the Autobots are, at their core, an emergent military power with new tech willing to negotiate and trade with people, and should be treated as such
Ye
The what the fuck???

