Exalted | Pilot NET | Page 69

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:19 AM

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Or you can be a fuckin maniac like me and take multiple arts that use a single weapon

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and combine them

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:20 AM

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i assume combining MAs is sid only stuff

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 5:20 AM

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nah

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you can freely combine MA as long as its with a compatible weapon or unarmed

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:20 AM

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ohhhh

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:20 AM

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You can use charms from multiple MAs that are compatible with your attack type

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:20 AM

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well, that doesn't matter because there's only one axe martial art and that's the character i'm looking at lol

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:21 AM

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there are two, actually

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:21 AM

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oh, what's the other after ghost?

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:21 AM

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devil prince now also uses hatchets

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 5:21 AM

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there is Devil Prince now too, yeah

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:21 AM

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oh i see

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i thought that with sword in the name it'd only use swords

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:21 AM

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it's weird, yeah

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xD

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 5:21 AM

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it can also use axes

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:22 AM

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and my group hasn't shared the infernal book scraps with me yet, so i've just heard a couple mentions of it

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:22 AM

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funnily enough, that's the second MA my Sid is learning

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<XD

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After Even Blade

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:22 AM

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what all does it do?

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:22 AM

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Makes Bitches Fear You

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:22 AM

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devil prince, not even blade

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:22 AM

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And Exploits That Fear

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:22 AM

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nice

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 5:24 AM

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marsh garden what all does it do?

AIUI it's about gambits and making people afraid of you

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it's also very good at disarming

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 5:25 AM

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ah damn

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hungry ghost style isn't in the 3e google sheet...

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:38 AM

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marsh garden what all does it do?

It's mainly focused on distracts and disarms, and making those gambits or normal attacks easier against those who are afeared o ye

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 6:53 AM

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Silly Sidereal Goal: Seeing if Dutiful Dead Conscription works on Deathlords.

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:10 AM

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rktt4qgwJzT9BBA3fSfUAoGcbOjjQXnPG4vQlZHprdM/edit?usp=sharing So, finished up that 'Sorcery version of Thousand-Corpse Goliath'.

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Exalted Spells

Sorcery Egregore Avatar Cost: Ritual, 3wpKeywords: NoneDuration: Indefinite The sorcerer weaves the power of collective ideals and immaterial materialism to craft an avatar for a people, their guardian and protector. This spell requires sufficient materials: Stone from landmarks and monuments, ...

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It 90% works the same, just with one big change.

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You don't load the guys in. Instead, they are praying to empower it. This A) Means they're safer than the zombies are with the thousand-zombie goliath from attacks on the avatar itself. B) Are more vulnerable to sabotage/flank attacks disrupting the people praying for it.

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It lets you make a big avatar that people go 'Yeah, that's our dude!' to support and empower with their faith in it.

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 7:13 AM

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Oh this is neat

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Go my idol

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:14 AM

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I didn't use the word (It's not mine to use) but it's very inspired by the story of the Golem

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Not the D&D monster but the idea that the golem is the protector of Prague's Jewish community from attack.

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 7:27 AM

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fnod

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 7:41 AM

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I have decided that, as a Sidereal who is now under the tutelage of a demon, her first martial art is actually gonna be Devil Prince Sword

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Maybe her daiklave is an auzhain, her previous incarnation a Linthan or something

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:42 AM

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Devil Prince Sword looks like a lot of fun.

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I need to double check what types of swords it works with, as I want to combo it with Even Blade.

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It's...chopping swords iirc?

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 7:49 AM

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aye

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 7:49 AM

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tulip folio I need to double check what types of swords it works with, as I want to combo it...

weyyyyyy, guess what my plan is? XD

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Though despite the greater synchronicity with Radiant Breath given that one's all about chopping, I'm probably going with Immanent Steel

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:52 AM

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Hahah. Glacier Jade is just pure 'Mongolian Character in a Wuxia Movie'. She's brash, smug and very gokubrained. She's also got a very scary heavy saber.

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 7:53 AM

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Since Immanent Steel can reset Close Your Eyes on decisives, and I have stuff that stacks with asking questions of the Storyteller

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Sidereal Moment

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Makes sense. Jade is...well, to give an example of how Jade is - She regularly goes 'wait, arcane fate/resplendent destinies means I don't need to be subtle, they won't remember who did this'

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 7:56 AM

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OH SHIT YOUR PLANNED DEVIL SWORD/EB IS A SID TOO?

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:56 AM

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Doing stuff like taking on the destiny of a Roguish Bandit and just barreling through a situation to get to what she wants.

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 7:56 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

Tenor

Handshake of the gods

▶ Play video

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What Caste?

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:57 AM

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Endings!

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 7:57 AM

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YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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SAME!

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XDDDDDDD

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:57 AM

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Hahaha

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Mind has less lore.

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 7:57 AM

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lol

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I will say, though your character may focus less on premonitions than mine

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if you take Oracular Secrets

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That reduction in mote cost applies to Close Your Eyes and Look

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Which

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Is kind of cheesy in a fun way

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 7:59 AM

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Endings(Athletics, Awareness, Bureaucracy, Integrity, Medicine) Caste +

Favoured:

Craft
Resistance
Larceny
Presence
Melee

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This is a very good 'make the tank stay full longer' charm for this combo

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:00 AM

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oh shit I gave her presence to work with Devil Sword

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:01 AM

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Jade is very 'move fast and break things'. Which to be fair: Sid Larceny.

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buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:02 AM

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lololol

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My Sids Favs are Investigation, Larceny, Presence, Socialize, and Stealth

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As I am our spy/assassin

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:03 AM

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Jade is not that. She's the brute but she makes it look good 😛

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:03 AM

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hello everyone i have a question

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:04 AM

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Also: She has the Oblivion Guard Wrongwarp Charm

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:04 AM

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where is the Divorce Beam in the siddie charmset again

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:05 AM

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Socialize Essence 1

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It is the funniest prerequisite possible to maybe the best Sid socialize charm in the entire game

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Cash and Murder Games

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Which is just a general Socialize Death Ray

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:05 AM

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right im remembering this

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i was just convinced there's a charm where you raise the divorce rate and fire a laser.

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im still not sure im wrong

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:06 AM

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Hahahah

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:06 AM

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I mean ur

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Not

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:06 AM

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I'm sure a sid is working on it

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Sid Integrity gets an attack charm

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:06 AM

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There is an E1 Socialize charm where you retroactively make someone incapable of being loved

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:07 AM

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Turning someone into elon musk is the cruelest thing a sid can do

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:07 AM

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l m a o

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:07 AM

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buoyant summit Which is just a general Socialize Death Ray

Yeah. Jade being Craft/Presence is a less powerful social force than Socialize but Craft/Presence still has a lot of social oomph to it.

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:08 AM

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I assume the eventual goal is literally the Golden Horde

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:08 AM

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Her eventual goal is beating the Never-Loving-Shit out of the Lover Clad In Raiment of Tears 😛

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 8:08 AM

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buoyant summit There is an E1 Socialize charm where you retroactively make someone incapable of...

it's fucking wild what sids get at e1...

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:09 AM

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Which iirc had a title at times called something something Under Heaven

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Which feels fitting for a MongolSid

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:09 AM

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marsh garden it's fucking wild what sids get at e1...

We Do Be Wacky

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:10 AM

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marsh garden it's fucking wild what sids get at e1...

in contrast, they get the worst fucking "See Immaterial" charm and a bunch of weird horrific gaps in their charmset!

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you cannot see dematerialized shit as a siddie without letting everyone know you're a cop

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:10 AM

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God their see immaterial charms are fucking crap!!!

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:10 AM

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See, Jade has a workaround for this.

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:10 AM

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isn't it fun!!!! work with your horseshit toolset heavengirl!!!!

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:10 AM

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You'd think Endings might have one cuz they're literally the Death Bureau, but no!

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:10 AM

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She just drinks a fucktonne of the 'see ghosts' tea.

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:11 AM

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The Siddies Were Designed Before Ghosts Were A Thing

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:11 AM

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And that lets her see the Most Relevent Dematerialized People to her job

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:11 AM

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Ghosts Weren't A Thing When This Job Started

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:11 AM

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You Hate To See It

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:11 AM

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Well good news: You can't see it

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:11 AM

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...okay that was a layup

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 8:11 AM

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limpid badge The Siddies Were Designed Before Ghosts Were A Thing

i mean so were solars and lunars

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hasn't stopped em

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:12 AM

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Yeah but our powers are dictated by Heaven's Bureaucracy so, you know /j

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Also, Iki

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:12 AM

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But yes, Jade drinks this stuff regularly.

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To help make 'dealing with ghosts' easier

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:12 AM

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Is your character starting with both Devil Prince and Even Blade?

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:13 AM

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It lets her A) See them B) Beat their ass.

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:13 AM

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buoyant summit Is your character *starting* with both Devil Prince and Even Blade?

Just Even blade, to start.

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:14 AM

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lol we have finally found a statistical divergence

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I am starting with Devil Prince

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My plan is to learn EB after getting contacted by The Peeps Upstairs

wise ocean Dec 17, 2025, 8:15 AM

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on the sid note: this feels sidereal in vibes and I can't quite place my finger on why, yet it does

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:23 AM

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wise ocean on the sid note: this feels sidereal in vibes and I can't quite place my finger ...

this is just how Fate works

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also speaking of such i am thinking about making Layabout's Retainer-Ape act like a Chivalrous Yakuza

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mr. shakedown ass blood-ape

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ape's been on the protien

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i think there's actually a fair bit of juice here i should go try and find sources on the life of a gambler in edo, i think that's excellent fodder for 2-Dot Retainer Blood Ape

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he deserves to have character he's not a familiar

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:33 AM

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lmao

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Nice

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 8:38 AM

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To be fair, Mark of Exaltation only lets Spirits see your Caste Mark

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Light of Celestial Revelation does reveal it to everyone tho

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sadcowboy

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:41 AM

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Hmmmmm good SMAs to dip into, when PAOC has already been taken and will be the form charm

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:41 AM

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What do people think is the lowest amount of dodge an assassin can justify?

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Cuz like

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For how I'm feeling rn it's 3 dots of

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meh

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I'm not buying any charms for it ever

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 8:42 AM

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You really want at least a bit for stuff like rising from prone

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:42 AM

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hhhh, fair

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:43 AM

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Dodge effects a bunch of combat movement stuff

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 8:46 AM

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Having well rounded defenses also helps in case you run into unblockable stuff

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 8:47 AM

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Kinda wish sids had a version of 'make the ghost a friend' that worked on demons too

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They have heaven powers to let demons out for a while

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but they can't actively recruit them as cool heaven people

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:48 AM

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god look at my heinous fuckin ability spread

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Do I just

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Sacrifice the ability to read

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<XD

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 8:48 AM

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tulip folio Kinda wish sids had a version of 'make the ghost a friend' that worked on demons...

They sorta do, actually!

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Look at Of Secrets Yet Untold, page 273

wise ocean Dec 17, 2025, 8:49 AM

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that seems like a pretty normal ability spread to me, honestly

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 8:49 AM

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Lore 5, Ess 2

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:49 AM

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It's mostly the spread I'm doing for Charms that makes it feel heinous

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:54 AM

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don't you. have to have 1 dot in every caste and favored.

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:55 AM

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Every favored

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You can skip caste

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:56 AM

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oh, huh

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wonder why i thought it was both....

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:56 AM

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Probably because that's honestly a reasonable thing

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:56 AM

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Caste might not fit your concept, favored should by definition

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:56 AM

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I kind of panicked just now lmao

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When you asked that <XD

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Yeah Sid Medicine just doesn't fit at all

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Bureau tho

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That could

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:56 AM

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i mean compare My Fucking Creature

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The Layabout Prince really said eat shit and listen to me sing

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:57 AM

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He also said he apparently still goes to the gym which

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Is surprising given his name

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:57 AM

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buoyant summit god look at my heinous fuckin ability spread

tbh, given you're using Unified Creation, this looks great

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:57 AM

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those athletic dots are for clown reasons

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(she needs to be able to do acrobatics)

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:57 AM

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Clowns are goddamn scary

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:57 AM

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lmao nice

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:58 AM

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Not because of the face paint

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:58 AM

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You know

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I have zero larceny charms

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and very little interest in them

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I think that favored is gonna go over to resistance

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and those dots to Bureau

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Cuz I do have plans for Sid Bureau

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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so like, i feel like while charms are fun and important. you should probably also remember that skills do things on their own

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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You don't need to put dots in your division

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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Fair point

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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Larceny is the Do Crime skill

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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All five caste abilities count for your division

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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velvet raft You can skip caste

WAIT FOR REAL?

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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are you going to Do Crime

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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okay time to dinkle with some dots

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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Yes

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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if yes, take Larceny

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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I'm going to Do Espionage

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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That's Crime Baybey

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 8:59 AM

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Which, under that broad remit can include crime

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:00 AM

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Oh, then take a look at Maiden In The Pot Escape

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There's also a Larceny charm that lets you break into divine sanctums

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:00 AM

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that second thing is going to be... probably less than relevant

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This game is about Making Gem Explode

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:00 AM

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An area defense against the Wyld, a bunch of stuff about stealing names and shit

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Eventually going up to stealing charms on a temporary basis

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And Sidereal Shell Games is worth looking at for any sid

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:02 AM

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reads

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:02 AM

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Oh! Larceny also has your teleport-to-Malfeas charm

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:02 AM

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'Okay what the fuck'

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:02 AM

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Expedited Approval of Justice

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You can use it to Get Into Jail Free

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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Jail Is Hell

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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While very funny

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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This includes jails in Heaven, and all of Hell

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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Um

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No?

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xD

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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Jail Is Hell

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Hell Is Jail

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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I am in a party with three Infernals I don't need this trick to get into Hell and have zero interest in ending up in jail

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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no see

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you go talk to any judge

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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Delilah

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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It's secretly a teleport charm

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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and say "i did a crime"

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:03 AM

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I read the charm

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

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oh fair

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

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I do in fact get it

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xD

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

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its cute

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

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Yeah, Sid Larceny is very weird

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Understandable to skip it

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But I do think it has some solid spy stuff

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

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~~I am admittedly a person who likes, well~~

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~~fucking logic~~

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

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there is logic

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

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So some Sid charms

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...grate me

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

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you're just not using the right kind of logic

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there used to be poems to help explain this...

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oh i miss you poetry that explains the charmset....

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:05 AM

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There are hymns but they're

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vague

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:05 AM

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Sid charms and SMAs are the logic employed by computer hackers

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:05 AM

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and sometimes jokes

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Sid Brawl is the fucking Itsy Bitsy Spider

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:05 AM

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Yes, it is~!

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:05 AM

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Wait no

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:05 AM

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There is always a lesson to the Scripture

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:06 AM

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Wrong Charm tree

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Fuck what tree is it

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:06 AM

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But Itsy-Bitsy Spider is CMOS

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:06 AM

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Oh right its an SMA that's Itsy-Bitsy

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:06 AM

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velvet raft There is always a lesson to the Scripture

There's always an ending.

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Love chains as much as it frees.

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To leave is to change, grow, and die.

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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Back in 2e, the SMA Scriptures were actually broken down, line-by-line, to correspond with the charms

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Which I adored

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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Violence takes many shapes.

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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But yeah this character's espionage shit is less

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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It created this weird niche style of poetry which existed in one book, ever

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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Thief in the night, mission impossible shit

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More

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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Secrets seek to be hidden.

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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Jason Bourne?

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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'I have ingratiated myself and become a courtesan/government functionary to pull the strings of corruption from the inside'

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:07 AM

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Ah, okay

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:08 AM

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you are playing siddies, unfortunately

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:08 AM

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Her Stealth spec is 'invisible in plain sight'

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:08 AM

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the scheming vizier splat sure incentivizes being a scheming vizier

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 9:08 AM

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Sid Socialize does that
But I assume you have that

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:08 AM

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Socialize is how I'm becoming the courtesan

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Like

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With the Become A Courtesan Charm

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:08 AM

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There is a charm in something, I think it's Larceny but I might be wrong, that allows you to fuck up public administration.

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Which might be handy for blowing up Gem

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:09 AM

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i mean you could also just use an RD for that, yeah?

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:09 AM

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That'd be Bureau mien frieunde

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Hence my interest lol

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:09 AM

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You might want to look at Bureaucracy, as well, although that tends to be more about ... punching the corruption out of bureaucracy

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:09 AM

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Also what is an RD

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Oh, Resplendent Destiny

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 9:09 AM

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limpid badge i mean you could also just use an RD for that, yeah?

The Socialize charm gives a lot of benefits for becoming someone's maid

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:09 AM

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Aaaah, i c ic

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:10 AM

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Yeah I'm not just A Courtesan, I am Employed By Someone

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:10 AM

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It's kinda funny, Sids are not really good at running a bureaucracy

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:10 AM

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i did not really use socialize on my siddie she kind of just shows up and starts punching people and uses Craft (Social Group) to Summon The Artqueers

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:10 AM

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But they are really good at killing problems in the bureaucracy

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Often literally

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:10 AM

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In my character's case?

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Extremely literally

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:10 AM

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With bureaucratic diseases

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:10 AM

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~~She is going to fucking gut Rankar~~

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:11 AM

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Like, you can give a bureaucracy a disease that only affects the corrupt

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 9:11 AM

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Love how Sid Bureaucracy makes you The Auditor

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:11 AM

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That's it, yeah

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 9:11 AM

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Forcing people to stop being corrupt and do their damn job

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:11 AM

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What sucks is

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:11 AM

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And then it also has the anti-spirit charm

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:11 AM

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My character expressly doesn't want that

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She wants disruption

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inefficiency

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:12 AM

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Love terminal sanction

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:12 AM

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That she can exploit

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:13 AM

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Aha! This was the charm

wise ocean Dec 17, 2025, 9:13 AM

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literally stealing productivity is incredible

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:13 AM

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its really good

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just steal the good fortune from the guys you hate

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and give it to the guys you hired to build pipe bombs in your basement

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ThumbsUp

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:14 AM

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Very good corruption charm

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 9:14 AM

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Siddies!

wise ocean Dec 17, 2025, 9:14 AM

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remind me to give the Lei Heng sid a crew of guys building pipe bombs in his basement

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:14 AM

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Anyway, skipping Larceny is understandable, again

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:15 AM

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Yeah I'm going ahead and doing that

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:15 AM

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Just a very weird, cool tree

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Lots of strange stuff

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And there's a pair of hook swords in the book that turn it into a combat ability XD

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:17 AM

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There are indeed lol

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 9:17 AM

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Red Evening Sky takes it basically entirely for Sid Shell Games

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And then never touches the charm list

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Same with Soft Presence Practice and Stealth

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:23 AM

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Soft Presence Practice is my Sids only Stealth charm

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 9:25 AM

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yeah, my sid has STEALTH charms
ST - Underling
EA - Invisibility
LTH - Practice

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 9:26 AM

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That + Become A Maid is a bullshit combo

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'I work here and everyone thinks they're better than me'

wise ocean Dec 17, 2025, 9:27 AM

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exalted believes all sids should put on the damn maid dress

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:27 AM

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tulip folio That + Become A Maid is a bullshit combo

Good thing that's my combo :3

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Alongside Become A Courtesan

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Yes, I have made a Bene Gesserit

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 9:27 AM

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wise ocean exalted believes all sids should put on the damn maid dress

It's such a stacked charm.

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 9:27 AM

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see, Rhi, this is why sids rule

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:27 AM

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I mean I agree

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Sids fucking rule

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They just

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bend my mind a little bit and I am tiwed

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no wike mind bendy rn

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<XD

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 9:28 AM

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lmfao

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very fair

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:29 AM

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Also either you or Misc have Underling Invisibility and either Society Luncheon or Gilded Cage huh

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 9:31 AM

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i only have UIP currently, Old Fellows Society I'd need an extra Bureaucracy dot in (not a no, since Bureau 4 also gets me Draconic Corporate Airstrike at E2), I can take Gilded Cage now tho

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 9:31 AM

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Society Luncheon is great.

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'Man, got to love all that corruption we're doing fellows'

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 9:32 AM

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I'd need Hot-Eyed Snake Whispering as a prereq charm tho

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Which realistically means OLSL is the more XP expedient charm

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 9:33 AM

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tulip folio Society Luncheon is great.

It's so damn good

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Also, Iki, did you check out Of Secrets Yet Untold?

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 9:34 AM

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I did, yeah! Not quite what I was going for but still very fun/good.

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The funniest combo I've ever seen with a sid using the 'Put on the damn maid dress' charm? That + Legitimate Pseudonym Trick.

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To get someone else employed as a maid

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 9:34 AM

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lolol

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:59 AM

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So this has become unclear to me

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Would an instill roll for fear use Charisma or Appearance?

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:01 AM

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Either

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 10:01 AM

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Depends on how you flavor it

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You can use either

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 10:01 AM

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It depends on how you stunt it, yeah

chilly sluice Dec 17, 2025, 10:01 AM

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You could use Manip too

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:01 AM

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Or even Manipulation

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 10:01 AM

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Hmmm

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:01 AM

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There are, notably, a number of very strong sid Presence charms related to fear that are Charisma-based

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 10:02 AM

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but if I take knuckle cracking them become strength or Appearance-based

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 10:02 AM

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Manipulation Intimidate is classic 'Lovely family you've got there. Would be a shame, if something happened to them'

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 10:02 AM

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Oh wait no instead of Appearance

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I am Fool

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 10:02 AM

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If you're trying to overawe someone with a display of physicality and only a few words, that's Appearance to me

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 10:03 AM

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My primary time spent instilling fear is gonna be with Devil Prince

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 10:03 AM

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Charisma is your grand orator type shit

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:03 AM

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Yeah, and Knuckle-Cracking is nice because there is Strength stuff in Presence as well

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IMO, the single biggest reason to take Charisma for Presence is Hero's Iron Skin, which is an amazing charm.

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(And is a prereq for Shield of Mars, an even more amazing charm.)

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 10:04 AM

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Sid Presence is a fabulous tree

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 10:05 AM

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it's as much a combat tree as it is a social tree

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Meanwhile Sid Socialize: "So, I called her a skanky bitch and because I'm head cheerleader and she's a nerd, I got to powerbomb her through a table." - Actual Charm

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Coercion By Any Means is a very funny charm

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:13 AM

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The whole back half of it is combat, fitting the way a lot of Sid trees work

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Specifically: they have maybe 2-6 charms at the start that are just about what the ability is about

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And then everything else is conceptual

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 10:23 AM

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Which is why Sid trees are the best

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They get gonzo with it

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 10:27 AM

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And unlike 2e you don't really suffer much in terms of like...Basic Functionality

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Sids don't have 15 charms that are 'reroll 1s, reroll 6s if it's a tuesday'

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And a lot more 'Just Do A Cool Thing'

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:33 AM

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It helps that the 2-6 charms are often extremely strong

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And need few dice tricks because sids have those built in

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 10:37 AM

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It seems like the majority of my character's time intimidating is gonna be with Presence since it's gonna be with like

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Or not Presence

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The stat

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Appearance

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Appearance + Presence

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:37 AM

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Yeah

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 10:37 AM

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Cuz it's gonna be in fights

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:37 AM

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Appearance is kind of the king of social stats until you count in charms

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A lot of charms hinge on Charisma or Manipulation

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But in a vacuum, Appearance is on top

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 10:39 AM

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velvet raft But in a vacuum, Appearance is on top

okay yeah but

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:40 AM

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Which is an extremely cool charm

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But still does require Charisma or Manipulation to actually make the rolls with, most of the time :D

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 10:41 AM

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coral wraith okay yeah but

INTJ power

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:41 AM

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Again, once you get charms involved, Appearance is not nearly so dominant!

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 10:41 AM

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yeah its why Grinning Mask has App 1, Manip 5, Charisma 3 clueless

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:41 AM

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:D

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So I wanted to take an in-depth look at how the Unified Character Creation stacks up to normal character building, not just in terms of character creation but also character progression. Fortunately, since I have problems, I already had a full hypothetical progression for Red Evening Sky sitting around, out to 400 xp (100 xp above Essence 5), or 80 sessions. That's a lot! But it was pretty easy to do the same with the alternate XP costs, using the same number of sessions as a benchmark. Here's the comparison — a lot of it is in the Exp tab.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1H0kzQxXugyqAVtWO64kzn3QBrTx_C6NguXH03Y5Ngrc/edit?usp=sharing https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11JCUXwHEVpmbbk-vwbXQcxr2VQOJPJ3_H7LzFbBT_go/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Red Evening Sky v2 w/Exp

Google Docs

Red Evening Sky - Crucible Version

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 10:44 AM

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oh btw my character has 18 motes

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While using both Gilded Cage and Society Luncheon

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xD

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 10:53 AM

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My findings:

The Crucible rules encourage you not to start out with 5s in absolutely everything you have caste or favored, but does make it more reasonable to start with non-favored 5s. They also allow more rounding out with charms that didn't quite fit at character creation. Overall, I'd say they allow for a character to be more ... together, at creation, while also making them less The Best At What They Do from the very start.
In terms of sessions/essence increase, crucible essence 2 comes much faster and then it approximately evens out, coming slightly ahead of non-crucible essence.
There's basically never going to be a session that doesn't give enough XP to improve something meaningful. It's a rarity that you won't be taking a new charm after every session.
Partially because of the former, characters hit their mechanical goals faster and end up significantly more powerful. I managed to fit in 2 more abilities taken to 5 dots, an entire additional SMA, and a bunch of miscellaneous stuff. I gave up Unweaving Method and 1 dot of strength to do this, but I could probably move things around to get both of those.
Small dips into an ability or increases to low Attributes are slightly punished if intending to only use splat XP for them. The costs are higher.

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So basically: magical abilities increase much faster, mundane ones ~~slightly slower.~~ tend to start lower.

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 10:59 AM

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Huh, I'm surprised at mundane abilities improving slower (sinceit gets rid of the increasing cost per point)

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 10:59 AM

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You guys wanna hear something funny

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If I take a certain secrets charm while I have Society Luncheon active

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Doing that Luncheon job counts as me fucking sleeping

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 11:00 AM

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Never Cease Moving is peak Secrets

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:00 AM

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next delta Huh, I'm surprised at mundane abilities improving slower (sinceit gets rid of th...

It may not actually be slower, maybe I should say they are not accelerated nearly as much and tend to start lower

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 11:01 AM

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I like to think Chejop petitioned the Maidens specifically to make that one

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:01 AM

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part of me wants Burn Life...

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but that seems

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:02 AM

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It's very strong if you have high strength

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:02 AM

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deeply foolish

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:02 AM

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And are unarmored

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:02 AM

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I have 3 and would become so

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:02 AM

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Because IMO the strongest part of it is that soak bonus while unarmored

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Since being unarmored benefits a bunch of other sid charms

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:03 AM

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part of me is also reticent to take it because

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You know

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I don't wanna fucking drop dead

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:03 AM

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Sids have a natural lifespan somewhere on the order of 5,000 years

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 11:04 AM

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Yeah I was gonna say

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:04 AM

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Chejop is coming up on his time and has refused to do anything to extend it, iirc

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 11:04 AM

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buoyant summit Doing that Luncheon job counts as me fucking sleeping

I've had jobs like that 😛

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 11:04 AM

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Sids have the longest lifespan of any Exalted, it's just that they can't extend it save through forbidden means

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 11:04 AM

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velvet raft It may not actually be slower, maybe I should say they are not accelerated nearl...

Oh huh, it is actually cheaper to increase abilities to 5 from 0 in the old system (attributes are cheaper in the new system though)

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:05 AM

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Yep

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:05 AM

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Fuckit I'm taking Burn Life

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btw

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:05 AM

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next delta Oh huh, it is actually cheaper to increase abilities to 5 from 0 in the old syst...

But honestly, building the character was so much less painful simply because charms charms charms

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:06 AM

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Do the willpower costs of indefinite charms also lock up those points for regaining them?

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:06 AM

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There's also a very funny combo you can use to avoid the health damage and the life-burning effect

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 11:06 AM

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buoyant summit Do the willpower costs of indefinite charms also lock up those points for regain...

Nope, it's just motes

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:06 AM

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Using rat style

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:06 AM

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coral wraith Nope, it's just motes

Oh thank god

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Also rat style?

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I assume this is a martial art

coral wraith Dec 17, 2025, 11:06 AM

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yeah

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:06 AM

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Yeah

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With a 1-charm, 3-dot investment in Rat, it's possible to inflict Infected Wounds on exalted

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Infected Wounds is a really low-danger disease

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So what you do is, you give yourself an infected wound

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And then use it to pay Inner Flame Purification

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On the one hand this feels kinda dumb an exploitative, but on the other hand it feels extremely on brand for a sid.

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:09 AM

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What does Inner Flame do?

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For the life burning bit

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:09 AM

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If you have a disease, you can remove the cost of Burn Life by feeding it the disease

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It's an Essence 2 charm

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 11:09 AM

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Oh huh

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Cool

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:09 AM

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Yeah, I don't know that it's objectively a very strong combo

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But I find it funny

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 11:32 AM

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Damn, that's really good

prisma sun Dec 17, 2025, 1:40 PM

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@bleak hazel funny combo I realized

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CMOS wire walking inspires a tie of fear doesnt it?

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Easy activator for devil prince

bleak hazel Dec 17, 2025, 1:49 PM

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it counts as a Threaten roll, not sure if that works

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But it's definitely in the same ballpark

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Worst case scenario Aspect of the Bear gives you a zillion social rolls for devil prince

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 1:59 PM

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Hmm. My infernal has pact with mara + mara as a two dot mentor. I don't have the points to invest in MA right now but I could tak ea point of brawl to prepare for it later to learn black claw, the problem is that she isn't a poor little meow meow woe is me fake-love sort, at least right now. She reciprocates! As long as her children never, ever, ever betray her.

She's much more Kimbery than Ebby when it comes to love is what I'ms aying

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and I dunno if black claw fits on that

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but i got Mara as a mentor

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and if you don't learn black claw from the black claw, you know

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 2:44 PM

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You could play into the style coming extremely poorly to her

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Like, independent of rules, she could find it weird and awkward to use but Mara insisted, you know?

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 3:04 PM

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That's true

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 3:20 PM

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"I just don't understand why I wouldn't want them to love me back." Mara: "Because toxic relationships, you see." "But... but toxic is heavier with love" Mara: "Yozi I hate kimbery so much"

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 3:29 PM

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Depending on what you want as a character arc, you could also have Mara's teaching make the character become more cynical and in line with what she believes

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 3:29 PM

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yeah, that'll be depending on how the game goes. I do currently have enough defining intimacies that are against that it's unlikely, but never underestimate the power of social combat, lol

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... hmm, cult 2 or integrity 5.

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 3:50 PM

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Don't let anyone tell you what to do (so Integrity 5)!

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 3:51 PM

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What's your Integrity as is?

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3?

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Cult is really nice for Infernals who go into Presence

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Which is simultaneously the deal-with-the-devil charmset and the grace-of-god charmset

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 3:55 PM

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3, yeah

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I don't have presence yet but do intend to invest in it, and will PROBABLY be either building or increasing my cult organically in play

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the important thing is this hcaracter did survive being a crewmember on a raksha pirate ship for several decades so I'm thinking integrity is important for the mechanics tomake sense for the fluff, lol

bleak hazel Dec 17, 2025, 3:58 PM

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integrity is something I generally get maxed eventually because resolve gets targeted fairly often

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having bad guile is usually much less of a problem

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 3:59 PM

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solution to having bad guile: just be honest, earnest, and never lie

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.. which mkaes me think a bit about legend of the five rings, where 'telling the truth believably' and 'telling lies believably' was the same skill

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 4:01 PM

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Good Guile is for cowards. Probably the same cowards that use subtext

bleak hazel Dec 17, 2025, 4:07 PM

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bad resolve on the other hand opens you up to a rather wider range of things that explode you or turn you into farm animals

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 4:25 PM

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Hmm. Per 3/int 3/wits 5 or per 3/int 4/wits 5. I am doing sorcery so both per and int are kinda important, but i'm sail primordial so wits is arguably moreso since almost everything in sail cares about wits the most.

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 4:28 PM

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Do you mean for the second one to be Wits 4

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 4:28 PM

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Huh, why is Perception important for sorcery?

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 4:28 PM

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Perception is used for the attack rolls on a lot of spells

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Though not all

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There are a few pure intelligence of intelligence + wits offensive spells

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 4:30 PM

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I'm thinking you'd want higher int if you are doing sorcery. Are you using the optional XP rules from Crucible?

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 4:32 PM

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Flying Guillotine and uh ... whatsit, the spell where you suck up all the water out of a person

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Are both Int-based attack rolls

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 4:40 PM

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Wits 4 on the second one, yeah.

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and as far as optional xp, I dont' know for sure, another player's asked about flat XP costs post chargen but the GM hasn't said one way or another yet

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 4:50 PM

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Oh, huh, I never noticed Unwavering Predator's Eye

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 4:52 PM

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fierce star and as far as optional xp, I dont' know for sure, another player's asked about f...

It does encourage 5 in attributes at char gen if using core rules

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 4:53 PM

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okay we are using flat XP costs post chargen

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so that takes a lot of stress off the optimization puzzle

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 4:54 PM

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It would be weird to use flat XP for chargen and then not do that, ha

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 4:56 PM

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well chargen's been regular + BP unless I missed a memo

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 4:57 PM

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Oooh, ok I got confused

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 5:13 PM

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ye, sorry

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 5:14 PM

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Nah, not your fault: I was making assumptions and not clarifying sufficiently

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 5:20 PM

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Hmm. On the one hand I do not hav ea dodge excellency at chargen, on the other hand I have tentacles to defend other me with parry 5 righ tnow, plus a blood ape.

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eh i'll be fine

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what's the worst that happens

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 5:21 PM

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Death

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 5:34 PM

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and if that happens before I can buy a dodge charm it will be early enough for me to make another character without losing overly much, so I get to both play this character I like and possibly be a chargen sicko again

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 5:35 PM

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lmao

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winwinwin

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Also; me when my only caste charm is now a Battles charm so I can scare the shit out of people in fights

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 5:39 PM

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the only losing move is not to play

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 6:02 PM

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fierce star Hmm. On the one hand I do not hav ea dodge excellency at chargen, on the other h...

Just don't fight people. I'm sure this is easy

bleak hazel Dec 17, 2025, 6:03 PM

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one defence is usually fine

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especially if any of your chosen trees have Foo Unfooable of some kind

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 6:03 PM

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well right now my chosen defense is--well my soak's okay, honestly, but also I have reflexive attacks and impervious sphere of water as my control spell

bleak hazel Dec 17, 2025, 6:03 PM

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my E5 combat monkey has a single dodge charm so he can excellency it but that's a real waste of XP most of the time

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 6:04 PM

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pop some tentacles, eat a soul, sit in my bubble

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 6:04 PM

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~~you let the Supernal combat character deal with the combat while you take a nap~~

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 6:05 PM

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so far our primordials are sail (me), resistance, socailize, and shew as integrity but I htink she's changed to a brawl primordial

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 6:18 PM

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primordial sail is based

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Also I think I've realized what my Sid's ultimate self-actualizing goal is once she comes into being a Sid

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She is going to be a true Endings, an executioner

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She's going to make a Sidereal Martial Art

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Hm. If I can get Join Battle keyed off of Perception and Resolve keyed off of Charisma, is there anything in particular that I'm forgetting about that I need Wits for? This is a Lunar.

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 8:19 PM

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no sorcery?

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and, presumably, not sailing?

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:21 PM

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Oh, hum, sorcery

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I’ll have to look at spells again

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See what uses it

bleak hazel Dec 17, 2025, 8:24 PM

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wits is rolled for various don't-get-zapped debuff effects but as long as you have an excellency in it you'll be fine, because Lunar

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which means it doesn't need to be high

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:28 PM

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Hm, amusingly the Perception-to-Join-Battle charm can be taken as a wits charm via archetype

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 8:33 PM

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and if you want to do anything involving boats at all Wits is your main stat, but this is niche

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especially with how nothingburger the naval systems are

velvet raft Dec 17, 2025, 8:41 PM

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X stat to y bonus just gives me that hit of the familiar

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 9:02 PM

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coral wraith Nope, it's just motes

wait, permanent charms that cost willpower don't permanently commit that willpower?

buoyant summit Dec 17, 2025, 9:09 PM

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Behold

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My Social Suite

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xD

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 9:09 PM

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marsh garden wait, permanent charms that cost willpower *don't* permanently commit that willp...

Unless it says otherwise, yeah

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 9:24 PM

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what do you mean by "says otherwise"

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because i assumed that this meant it was a permanent commitment of wp

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 9:26 PM

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for that specific charm, yes

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but unless the charm text actually calls out the WP cost, only the motes are commited

marsh garden Dec 17, 2025, 9:27 PM

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okay, got it

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thank you

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 9:33 PM

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Yeah. That. Recently I saw it on an artifact that lets a mortal attune to it with WP instead of motes, but in that case the WP is committed

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 9:39 PM

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gunzhosha armor? or another one?

next delta Dec 17, 2025, 9:44 PM

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It was something in the Infernal preview

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One of the minor artifacts

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 10:43 PM

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Hmm...what demons did people like from previous editions that have not been seen in 3e yet? Alternatively: What areas do people think it would be cool to see a demon in?

limpid badge Dec 17, 2025, 10:44 PM

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i believe iter was bemoaning that we dont have the Living Armors?

merry arch Dec 17, 2025, 10:47 PM

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yea perronelles are missing

tulip folio Dec 17, 2025, 10:58 PM

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nods
I like making Quick Characters. They're fun. Working out what to make can be tricky though. XD

fierce star Dec 17, 2025, 11:09 PM

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you could stat up a demon I wrote fluff for if you wanted :P otherwise yeah the living armors,, uh...

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Eristrufa are cool, they're mist-demons

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Noresores, the passion morays

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B03Ihrn3aIW4lZBoWEvV_4jbNa-MjULP/view oh, I found this on a google that might be helpful! Source is marin on the OPP forums

Google Docs

Yozi soul hierarchy.rtf

prisma sun Dec 18, 2025, 2:00 AM

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Should Mahoraga be a God or a Demon

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 2:03 AM

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Did the Infernals drafts release the artifact chapter yet? Curious to see if there's an Auzhian one

prisma sun Dec 18, 2025, 2:03 AM

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It's completely out now so probably

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Yeah, they released artifacts.

velvet raft Dec 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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buoyant summit Did the Infernals drafts release the artifact chapter yet? Curious to see if the...

There is not

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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Damn it

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 2:13 AM

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prisma sun Should Mahoraga be a God or a Demon

i think the zen'in shikigami should probably be demons

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they're referred to as "kishin" after all

prisma sun Dec 18, 2025, 2:15 AM

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They are sorta uniquely non-sapient

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 2:16 AM

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?

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i thought all shikigami were non-sapient by default

prisma sun Dec 18, 2025, 2:21 AM

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I mean that demons and stuff are all Dudes

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Actually

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could you make 12 Shadows into a martial art

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 2:38 AM

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A sorcerous one maybe?

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Demon-Doll Style

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 2:52 AM

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oh yeah that would be cool stuff to use Craft for

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fucked up little doll vessels for ghosts

velvet raft Dec 18, 2025, 2:53 AM

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marsh garden i thought all shikigami were non-sapient by default

In a particular work, or in general?

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 2:54 AM

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velvet raft In a particular work, or in general?

in jujutsu kaisen lol

velvet raft Dec 18, 2025, 2:54 AM

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Aha

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 2:55 AM

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because i didn't remember

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that mahoraga were real things

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until after i'd made all the jjk posts

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 2:55 AM

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one day I'm gonna have to actually watch JJK

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to understand what hte hell y'all are talking about

prisma sun Dec 18, 2025, 2:58 AM

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limpid badge A sorcerous one maybe?

Hmm

Inner Beast Legion Style

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 3:00 AM

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fierce star one day I'm gonna have to actually watch JJK

its Pretty Good Pro Wrestling (Occult Battle Manga)

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:00 AM

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fierce star to understand what hte hell y'all are talking about

all you need to know (joke) is that the full name of Mahoraga is Eight-Handled Divergent Sword And Sila Divine General Mahoraga

velvet raft Dec 18, 2025, 3:00 AM

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I want a Hound of Five Winds Control Spell based style

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Like Throne Shadow but with dogs

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:00 AM

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which is the most exalted shit i could possibly ask for

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:00 AM

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basicallya ll I do know right now is it has reality marbles

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:00 AM

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yeah

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 3:01 AM

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limpid badge its Pretty Good Pro Wrestling (Occult Battle Manga)

i say this bc i slammed 240ish chapters of it into my head as a week and while it is visually a feast, i found it a bit flat in terms of story and absolutely burned out on it by the time i got to the "last" fight

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:01 AM

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they're not exactly reality marbles in execution, but it's like

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 3:01 AM

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you may have a better go of it by not doing this

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:01 AM

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95% to reality marbles

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LOL

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yeah

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pacing yourself a bit would probably be a more pleasant experience

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 3:01 AM

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anyway!

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exalted yay

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:02 AM

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yay, yippee

prisma sun Dec 18, 2025, 3:02 AM

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I read it all in a week and liked it severely tbh

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:03 AM

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also fair

prisma sun Dec 18, 2025, 3:03 AM

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I enjoyed the story but thought the compression hurt certain characters way too much

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:03 AM

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god

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 3:03 AM

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im thinkink a lot about my backup infernal in case people don't really feel like dealing with the Nicest Little Whorehouse In Hell (Drug-Dealing Cult Nightmare Jellyfish Bloodborne)

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:03 AM

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okay so this is not exalted thread material, but i have to agree

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 3:03 AM

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#book-club

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🫶

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:03 AM

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...okay, I think I need to take a break from the Exalted discord. I was about to start yelling at people after being told 'Things inspired by Gao Gai Gar are out of theme for alchemicals'. XD

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:04 AM

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...

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I'm sorry u wot

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they wot

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in wot

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isn't it

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hold the fukken

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:04 AM

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I broke the ID

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:04 AM

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gaogaigar is the most fucking xianxia mecha series this side of fucking gurren lagaan

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what in the god damn

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and it's also like

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:05 AM

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HOW IS IT OUT OF HTEME FOR ALCHEMICALS

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what is their PITIFUL EXCUSE

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:05 AM

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the exact correct tone for over-the-top ridiculous Mecha Bullshit

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that i would expect from mechabare

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like, that is what alchemicals are, right?

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basically just mechabare artificial humans?

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:06 AM

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fierce star what is their *PITIFUL EXCUSE*

Honestly, it seemed to be 'I don't pay attention to mech shows, so my mental image of what mechs can do is very specific'

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:06 AM

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They can be the mechabare aesthetic but they're more varied ine x3

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some of them are that, some look like 'humans with cybernetics', some look like golems (in the fantasy sense)

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:07 AM

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Some look like Judge Dred(Twink)

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:07 AM

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Some look like this! (plug plug plug)

ikiryo_iteration_drive_ecstatic_iatrochemical_responder_Comm.jpg

velvet raft Dec 18, 2025, 3:07 AM

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tulip folio ...okay, I think I need to take a break from the Exalted discord. I was about to...

Yeah, I've been taking it in small doses after one of the writers for Infernals said that Adorjan is unhappy, and then when I said Adorjan's joy is hollow two minutes later someone got really passive-aggressive with me about it.

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:08 AM

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Look, the Iconic Soulsteel being this absolutely pathetic loverboy twink who goes about in armour that makes him look like judge dred because he thinks people don't take him seriously is eternally funny to me

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And to be fair: He's right. I am not taking him seriously.

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:08 AM

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dreadful adjudicator of law is my favorite of the old alchemical iconics

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He is the soggiest fuckboy

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:10 AM

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adorjan?

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i thought it'd be in abyssals with soulsteel, but are they something alchemical?

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:11 AM

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no adjoran's a yozi, gkat's talking about the official exalted servedr

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:11 AM

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ah

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sorry all of y'all mentioned what i now think are three separate things

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as what looked like direct responses to each other

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:12 AM

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I have not stepped into that accursed place but I have not heard tales of joy

mighty rover Dec 18, 2025, 3:13 AM

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unofficial i think

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It's like pnet where it's fanmade but also all the devs are there

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:13 AM

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ah

mighty rover Dec 18, 2025, 3:14 AM

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(unless everyone is talking about the Onyx Path server instead, that one is official)

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:14 AM

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Yes but it lacks one of the most important things pilotnet has. If someone annoys me there, I can't ban them 😛

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(Nah, they don't let me ban people just for annoying me here either)

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:15 AM

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but yeah, to seperate things: soulsteel is one of hte alchemical castes

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which is why me and iki mentioned hte material

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the alchemical castes are based ont he six magical materials

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:16 AM

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ahh

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:16 AM

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Soulsteel Alchs are not inherently evil, though they are inherently scary.

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One of the biggest alch assholes in existance is Ori!

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Fucking Lux

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:16 AM

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Mmm tastes like fascism

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but yeah Autochthon has the closest thing in the setting to 'ethically obtained soulsteel' becuase he just likes

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makes it out of his own soul and itforms veins of ore in his god-body

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:17 AM

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i do remember that discussion

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:17 AM

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and as aprimordial his soul (generally) regenerates

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it's, uh

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not doing so hot right now

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because he's Sick and Needs Medicine and that Medicine would be 'the infinite resources of the wyld or creation'

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but he's slead himself away in Elsewhere

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:18 AM

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oh, is that one of the big reasons alchemicals might be in Creation?

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I've Snuck Back In For Divine Ibuprofen

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:18 AM

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It can be, but that would require the Seal Of Eight Divinities to be broken; by default theo nly alchemicals in creation are the ones that got left behind as prototypes

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:19 AM

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ah i see

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:19 AM

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most people don't uh

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talk about games where the seal gets broken because--well you saw how like

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we've talkeda bout return of the scarlet empress and etc

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:19 AM

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so alch games usually just take place in autochthon

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yeah

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:19 AM

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The Locust Crusade (autochthon returning to creation in force) was the ex1 version of that, fanbase wise

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The Inevitable Big End Apocalypse (TM)

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:19 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJRfABxL4R8 When Autochonn wakes up and gets hangry.

YouTube

SeanTF1967

Transformers G1 The Movie Unicron Destroys Lithone

▶ Play video

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:20 AM

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so there's fandom distaste for the idea

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:20 AM

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yummers

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:20 AM

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but yeah one of the like

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'good' endings for auto-kun is the seal is broken and his people repair him enough that he can wake up and finish the job

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 3:21 AM

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fierce star Some look like this! (plug plug plug)

i love how she's built

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:22 AM

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she looks like she's made of jelly

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:22 AM

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She's an Adamant caste! She's crystal and wearing a skintight latex plague doctor's outfit (dedicated to Os'ha, Divine SUbminister of Workplace Safety)

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she is also Smug and Does Not Have Feet, which was a choice the artist (Moiderah) made and I approved so much of

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:23 AM

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the smug part, the feet part, or both?

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:23 AM

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both honestly

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:24 AM

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based

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:24 AM

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her legs just taper down to like

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nubs she balances on

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:24 AM

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people gotta make more robots with weird fucked up arm/leg designs

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fi from skyward sword with no arms

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only the fluttery cape

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that gestures at [being/covering] arms but is always obvious that it isn't

wise ocean Dec 18, 2025, 3:26 AM

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my nefarious robot has runner's prosthetics for feet because they're a sprinter

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everybody gangsta until the subaltern armored sufficiently to defeat sub-anti-materiel weapons starts closing ground faster than a battle tank

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:31 AM

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Diving Driver
Cost: 10m, 1wp; Mins: Dexterity 5, Essence 4
Type: Simple
Keywords: None
Duration: One Scene
Prerequisite Charms: Casualty-Minimizing Equations
The Alchemical extends a wedge blade from her arm, splitting threads of fate to craft a place between them, away from those who would be harmed by this fight.

The Alchemical bends dimensions, creating space for herself and all other characters within Extreme Range that extends indefinitely in all directions. The distance between any individual characters remains unchanged. The combatants return to the world once the scene ends and the dividing barrier unweaves itself. They can also escape by successfully withdrawing from combat (Exalted, p. 199), finding a path through space to their previous position.

The dimensional space is wide open, allowing the vanished combatants to move freely across it in any direction. While the Alchemical and other combatants are within dimension space, others can’t perceive or interact with them, or vice versa, but magic like Silver Curtain Parted (Lunars, p. 249) can let characters follow them into dimensional space.

Submodules

Modular Driver(3xp): When activating this charm, the Alchemical may choose to exclude any number of non-combatants and trivial opponents, leaving them outside the field.

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 3:32 AM

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fierce star nubs she balances on

i love that

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:32 AM

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ahh, the thing that made people weird about gaogaigar

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 3:32 AM

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the latex is very

uh

ill say a very striking design

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i like it

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:33 AM

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marsh garden so alch games usually just take place in autochthon

The other thing is that in ex2 it was explicilty stated that theonly thing tha tcould actually repair/wake up autochthon was a twilight craft specialist, so... lol

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:D thank you karen

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:33 AM

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i was trying not to comment on the art because i knew everything i would say was going to be about the fucking goo girl design crylaughing

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but yeah i like it

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especially the syringe tail

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 3:35 AM

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syringe tail is good (im reminded of murder drones even if its just that element)

shes got a very fun silhoutte, she is a freak

chilly sluice Dec 18, 2025, 3:35 AM

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tulip folio ``` Diving Driver Cost: 10m, 1wp; Mins: Dexterity 5, Essence 4 Type: Simple Keyw...

ah, putting people in the fight dimension

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:36 AM

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oh man, i totally forgot that aspect of murder drones

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dunno why, it's an iconic feature

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but you're right

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and it rules

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they're such a fun twist on vampires

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:37 AM

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chilly sluice ah, putting people in the fight dimension

Yep, doing up submodules for it now but that's expressly the purpose.

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Letting alchs go 'we're taking this outside'

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And by outside, they mean 'outside reality'

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:38 AM

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so I'm not familiar iwth murder drones but the piece of art I used to reference the needle tail is apparently fanart form the series

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I just thought 'syringe on the end of a tail' would be great aesthetic ofr one of her charms to have

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:39 AM

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nice

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 3:39 AM

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fierce star so I'm not familiar iwth murder drones but the piece of art I used to reference ...

LMAO

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yeah that sounds about right

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many of the murder drones characters also do have like, needle legs

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:39 AM

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also I dig the charm, iki; I love 'let's me and you go into Chungian Space' charms

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:39 AM

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yeah

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 3:39 AM

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so like it tracks

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oh my god even the coat

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even the fucking coat

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:40 AM

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this is V

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 3:40 AM

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ID !!

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freak woman freak woman freak woman

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yeah

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:40 AM

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the smug

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the coat

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the legs

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the tail

chilly sluice Dec 18, 2025, 3:40 AM

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tulip folio Letting alchs go 'we're taking this outside'

yeah I think it's fun

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:40 AM

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she's just a wingless jelly MD, which is great

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i am also reminded of the One Good Thing about fire emblem heroes

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these two

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the jelly skellies

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which are exactly what i think of as abyssal designs, now that i have started to rotate exalted in my head

chilly sluice Dec 18, 2025, 3:43 AM

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that's pretty Abyssal yeah

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:46 AM

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those are pretty abyssal yeah

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mmm skeleton jelly

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 3:48 AM

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marsh garden these two

OH THATS ACTUALLY SICK AS FUCK

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:48 AM

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i love them

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:49 AM

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nova yew freak woman freak woman freak woman

But yes Responde ris absolutely a freak woman, let me find herintimacies...

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:50 AM

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there's some story stuff that doesn't really matter, but they're like. the single most Abyssal characters in media i can think of

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they're versions of these two (a protagonist and the initial antagonist of the game) from a doomed future timeline, who have made a pact with the god of the dead to slaughter all other worlds to spare and return their own

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and the more i think about it the better a touchstone they are

tranquil badge Dec 18, 2025, 3:51 AM

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I remember playing FEH for a little bit. The villains with the flame-coloured undersides of their cloaks were cool.

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:52 AM

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actually most of these aren't that FREAK WOMAN even in context, but the bones are there

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Defining Principle: I inspire by loud action and quiet word
Defining Tie: Jhon Metal-Brow (Love at first sight)
Defining Principle: The Great Maker has a plan for all of us.
Defining Tie: Autochthon (Fanatical belief)
Major Tie: Vos-Ulos (Patriotism)
Major Principle: A city is nothing without its people; a people are nothing without their city.
Major Tie: All Purifying Steam Purge (Distaste)
Major Principle: All must be held accountable for their labor and their rank.
Major Principle: We are alive, and there is a tomorrow.
Major Principle: Everyone must sacrifice something. Some must sacrifice everything.
Major Tie: Ethical Hedonism (:D)
Minor Tie: Resi's Rest (Comfort)
Minor Tie: Rats (Minor Phobia)
Minor Principle: Life should be enjoyed, in both labor and free time.
Minor Tie: Wirewool Sheep (Absolutely Adorable Creatures)
Minor Principle: It's better to spread joy than feel it for oneself, if you have to pick between the two–but try not to be in a situation to pick.
Minor Tie: Estasia (Hate)
Minor Principle: The Tunnel-folk are as much people of the Great Maker as we are.
Minor Principle: The mind and soul must burn to shine.
Minor Principle: History is the foundation of survival.
Minor Principle: Tomorrow is what we make of it.

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:52 AM

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tranquil badge I remember playing FEH for a little bit. The villains with the flame-coloured un...

i'm not going to talk more about FEH, both because the rest isn't really relevant to exalted and because it'd just be an exhausting and unfun rant, but yeah some of the aesthetics and designs are quite neat

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and now that i've thought about it, i'm absolutely using líf and/or thrasir for abyssal character art

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:54 AM

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Diving Driver
Cost: 10m, 1wp; Mins: Dexterity 5, Essence 4
Type: Simple
Keywords: None
Duration: One Scene
Prerequisite Charms: Casualty-Minimizing Equations
The Alchemical extends a wedge blade from her arm, splitting threads of fate to craft a place between them, away from those who would be harmed by this fight.

The Alchemical bends dimensions, creating a dimensional space for herself and all other characters within Extreme Range that extends indefinitely in all directions. The distance between any individual characters remains unchanged when transfered to the dimensional space. The combatants return to the world once the scene ends and the dividing barrier unweaves itself. They can also escape by successfully withdrawing from combat (Exalted, p. 199), finding a path through space to their previous position.

The dimensional space is wide open, allowing the vanished combatants to move freely across it in any direction. While the Alchemical and other combatants are within dimension space, others can’t perceive or interact with them, or vice versa, but magic like Silver Curtain Parted (Lunars, p. 249) can let characters follow them into dimensional space.

Submodules

Modular Driver(3xp): When activating this charm, the Alchemical may choose to exclude any number of non-combatants and trivial opponents, leaving them outside the field.
Zondar-Reactive Arresting Field(3xp): The Alchemical can use this charm reactively when they roll Join Battle against Fey, Demons, Undead or Gremlins.
Whiteroom Combat Field(6xp): Activating this charm immediately cancels all ongoing Strategems (Including friendly ones) and prevents Strategems being used while it is active.
Mirror-Space Bastion(3xp): Dividing Driver's duration is extended as long as the Alchemical remains within it.
Klein Space Shattering(6xp): The Alchemical can also use the driver to break through existing barriers, rather than creating a new one. She rolls ([Dexterity or Wits] + [Larceny or Occult]) to enter a spirit’s sanctum, pass through a normally inaccessible magical portal, cross a boundary between realms of existence, or temporarily breach a magical barrier like a fiery wall created by a sorcerous working. The roll’s difficulty equals the Essence of the character who created or owns the boundary; if no such character exists, the
Storyteller assigns a difficulty from 1-5. Success lets the Alchemical and (Essence x2) companions pass through safely.

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Now with submodules!

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 3:55 AM

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Whiteroom combat field

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kekdog beautiful

tranquil badge Dec 18, 2025, 3:55 AM

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Hahahahaha

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:55 AM

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BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED

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what are stratagems, though?

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alch book stuff?

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 3:56 AM

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Mass Combat Stuff like Fortifications and Ambushes.

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 3:56 AM

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gotcha

mighty rover Dec 18, 2025, 4:49 AM

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https://bsky.app/profile/mathota.bsky.social/post/3m7z54ryo2c2u

Mathota (@mathota.bsky.social)

The Prophecies writ in the Stars lack basic security measures. I was able to decript them easily.

With some well timed satellites I have inserted myself in over six dozen ordaned futures.

I receive calls to Adventure almost daily, and am both destined to destroy this nation, and doomed to save it.

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 5:20 AM

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My Abyssal at this exact moment; "FUCK YOU NEPHWRACK, YOU CUTTING-OFF-AN-AFTERLIFE-ASS-BITCH! I WILL TELL THE WORLD HOW THAT IS I-LEGAL!"

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 6:54 AM

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fierce star Some look like this! (plug plug plug)

the riri for scale is doing a lot for me here

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wonderful alch~!

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 6:55 AM

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limpid badge the riri for scale is doing a lot for me here

More things should have a RiRi for scale 😛

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 6:57 AM

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this is true. there should be a small zoetrope of riri on the alchemicals book

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 6:57 AM

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who's riri?

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 6:57 AM

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she does a dance as you flip

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 6:57 AM

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marsh garden who's riri?

My alch for that game.

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 6:57 AM

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alch iconic?

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ah nice

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 6:57 AM

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She's a Very Tiny Ori Alch who makes Fun Faces

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 6:58 AM

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okay that's a critter right there

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profound mischievous gnome energy

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 6:58 AM

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these robot ladies are too damn cute

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wtf

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 6:58 AM

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The artist is doing a series of faces for me to use of her whenever she needs an expression in that game.

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 6:59 AM

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IT'S PEAK

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 6:59 AM

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augh

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tomorrow im gonna read the sidereal book and make a sexy sidereal oc who is sad and soggy

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:00 AM

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RiRi is very into food for an alch.

fierce star Dec 18, 2025, 7:00 AM

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limpid badge wonderful alch~!

:D thank you

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:00 AM

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Defining: The Dead Are Part Of Our Community (Principle), Autochthon (Faithful Hope)
Major: Vos-Ulos (Positive Tie, Protective Love), Most Divine Ministers (Positive Tie, Awed Respect), Divine Minister Ku (Negative Tie, Exasperated Frustration), I Am Not A Monster (Principle), Spellcraft (Positive Tie, Joy), It's In Everyone's Best Interests To Be The Best Version Of Themselves For Their Role (Principle)
Minor: Half-Forged (Negative Tie, Horror), Food (Positive Tie, Comfort), Tunnel People (Positive Tie, Sympathy), Rats (Positive Tie, Adorable *and* Tasty!)

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See: Her intimacies

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She can tell you where to find the best Rat Kebabs in the city

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:02 AM

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i love

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so cute

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Defining: The Dead Are Part Of Our Community (Principle)
Awwwwwww

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okay

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❤️

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thank youuuuuu

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shooting straight for my abyssal heart

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:06 AM

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nova yew tomorrow im gonna read the sidereal book and make a sexy sidereal oc who is sad ...

We should make our Sids kiss /j

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:07 AM

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nah hell yeah that sounds awesome

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:07 AM

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pfffff

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I will warn you

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She Is Working With Hell

chilly sluice Dec 18, 2025, 7:08 AM

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hey Karen, you're gonna need to look at Sid Socialize 😛

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:08 AM

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For what, Cash and Murder?

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:08 AM

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chilly sluice hey Karen, you're gonna need to look at Sid Socialize 😛

oh fuck yeah

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:10 AM

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Karen you're gonna need to look at Sid Everything

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It's all peak

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:10 AM

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waugh ;-;

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i'll do my best to make my angel girl

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:10 AM

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You can make plants into a Watson that rides on your shoulder

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:10 AM

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What Caste you thinking?

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:11 AM

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Sid Integrity is the sad tree

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and also the hopeful tree because maidens

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:11 AM

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Your very own investigation and research buddy

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:11 AM

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buoyant summit What Caste you thinking?

serenities maybe but ill need to actually look at this shit

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:11 AM

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I am also extremely fond of Craft because it is both an amazing toolkit and turns you into a Tolkein elf-lord

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:12 AM

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bleak hazel Sid Integrity is the sad tree

oh that sounds good

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:12 AM

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Integrity is the tree where you sacrifice your hopes and dreams to Do What Must Be Done

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:12 AM

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awwww

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hm

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:12 AM

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nova yew shooting straight for my abyssal heart

She's a necromancer. Which is concerning as alchemicals are not supposed to be able to do necromancy. XD

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:12 AM

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makes sense

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:12 AM

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And hence it is an Endings caste ability

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:12 AM

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tulip folio She's a necromancer. Which is concerning as *alchemicals are not supposed to be ...

shootin straight for my abyssal heart!!!!! ❤️

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we should invade creation together omg

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we should drag it all into the underworld!

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:13 AM

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Craft has wonderful abilities, like Craft (Wife), Craft (Social Group), Craft (Tea Party) and Craft (Colour Coordination)

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:13 AM

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Integrity lets you dig out your intimacies so they can't be used against you

Survival lets you do that literally, and bury it

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:14 AM

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some of these are extremely strong

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:14 AM

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bleak hazel Craft has wonderful abilities, like Craft (Wife), Craft (Social Group), Craft (T...

these sound funny

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:14 AM

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It also has World-Shaping Artistic Vision, which should be on every Sidereal for both style and mechanics reasons

chilly sluice Dec 18, 2025, 7:15 AM

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nova yew oh fuck yeah

Sid Socialize lets you turn yourself into someone's maid, or similar position of subservience, and it gives you a bunch of useful social benefits 😛

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:15 AM

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love my 3 mote excellencies

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Oh yeah Sid Maid makes you an exceptional infiltrator

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:16 AM

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sorry Sid what

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Oh

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not a tree, a charm

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:16 AM

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chilly sluice Sid Socialize lets you turn yourself into someone's maid, or similar position of...

oh i see

I need to check the tree out

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peak

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:16 AM

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Craft incidentally lets you make wondrous artifacts but I have E4 builds with 10-12 craft charms that have maybe two directed towards artifact manufacture

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:16 AM

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WSAV is not mandatory, those 3 craft dots can't hurt you

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But it is good

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:17 AM

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It's one of those things I have to actively decide to not take because it's very fun

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:17 AM

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chilly sluice Sid Socialize lets you turn yourself into someone's maid, or similar position of...

It also gives you the power to turn someone else into someone's maid by manipulating relationships until everyone goes 'Oh yes, of course that's how it should be'.

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Sids are a very maid-positive splat.

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I will also give Sid Craft the highest possible praise - I am willing to take the charms in it, even if I don't want to make artifacts.

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:18 AM

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I think my favorite Sid tree has to be bureau

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:23 AM

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tulip folio I will also give Sid Craft the highest possible praise - I am willing to take th...

Craft (Wife) is Op

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:24 AM

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It's not bad as an artifact suite, it's just not outstanding

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I do like making a few 2 and 3 dots because the craft booster lets you craft with Charisma or Appearance and this has fun vibes to me

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:25 AM

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bleak hazel It's not bad as an artifact suite, it's just not outstanding

It's not bad but the fact it works so well even if you never take craft artefact really makes it shine for me.

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So few craft charmsets feel worth taking if you've got 'oh yeah, I've got a craft skill but not all the ones needed for artefacts'

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If that makes sense?

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:26 AM

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Yeah

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Also once you hit E3 you can do a few artifacts the slow way with about 8xp of investment

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Maybe 16 to get the minor project speeder upper

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:27 AM

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The sid I'm currently working has dots in craft(mixology)

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:27 AM

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Architecture is about to be an extremely good craft point generator for sorcerors because Marottes

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:28 AM

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Right, because they reduce craft times for that by a month each iirc?

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:28 AM

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To a month, for manses

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:29 AM

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Thematically my sid is really good at mixed drinks. Mechanically it gets her the various Looking Good and Party charms. XD

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:29 AM

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but they halve the time for basic and major

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so heavenly landscaping with a demon buddy is easy silver

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:30 AM

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Though I might change the craft. As endings, she'd really want something earth-based and mixology is a bit gimmicky. XD

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Maybe Alchemy. I can stunt it for mixed drinks but there's a lot of earth stuff used in alchemy so I can claim the elemental boosts.

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Though yes, architecture would be very good

velvet raft Dec 18, 2025, 7:30 AM

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tulip folio ``` Defining: The Dead Are Part Of Our Community (Principle), Autochthon (Faithf...

Here With The Chains looks up

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:33 AM

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GK IT IS 2 AM

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:35 AM

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Misc, any recommendations on my first charm purchase? I was thinking Expected Pain's prereq or Terminal Sanction

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:36 AM

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Mending Warped Designs would also be very easy to fluff up with alchemy.

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'I have made a healing potion. Drink it, idiot'

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:37 AM

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today on "people i swear i didn't just make up to get mad at" someone in the exalted discord that started condescending at me for looking at the neverborn and yozis' insane predicament and saying that it was "not a useful situation" to analyze the morals of

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:38 AM

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wh

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WHAT

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okay thats stupid

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actually stupid

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that is actually genuinely utterly dumb

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me when i fail at basic thematic analysis

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:38 AM

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i swear to god it was a real person that jumped into a conversation specifically to start that, @south horizon can back me up

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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Yeah I briefly saw that and noped out it was uh

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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"maybe the cycle of violence shouldnt be perpetuated"

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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Strange!

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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why are you guys in the exalted discord

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it sounds miserable in there

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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I've actually mostly had positive interactions

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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im out here kissing yozi and neverborn on the mouth its great

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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And also to find games

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I am now in 3

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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talking about how they "can't be compared to real people (which THEY CAN, AND ALSO THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE JUST INDIVIDUALS)" and saying that was the only reason to ever analyze the morals of a scenario

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:39 AM

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nova yew it sounds miserable in there

it's mostly been great!!!

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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marsh garden talking about how they "can't be compared to real people (which THEY CAN, AND AL...

????

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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oh what

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we have this here

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damn

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but yeah, that guy has. .. odd takes

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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i keep asking questions and getting helpful answers

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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l m a o

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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got the entire server talking about how a 3CD could be taken out by a single elephant

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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buoyant summit And also to find games

oh that is lovely

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perhaps

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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most of the other folks have been v helpful with regards to build planning and understanding shit

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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which was semi-humored because putting QC statblocks against each other is fun

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but also

nova yew Dec 18, 2025, 7:40 AM

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but i am certainly in enough games for now

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:41 AM

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man was making the most bad faith reads about it

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but it also gave me the funnest idea for another Munaxes 2CD

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Elephant demon who fuckin hates them

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:41 AM

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munaxes?

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:42 AM

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one of the souls of She WHo Lives in her name

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are you aware of how the demon soul pantheon stuff works?

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:42 AM

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nope! or well. kind of?

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i know that:

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:42 AM

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tulip folio Maybe Alchemy. I can *stunt* it for mixed drinks but there's a lot of earth stuf...

Sids: "oh woe is me, a slave to the manifold demands of painful duty"
Also Sids: humming Making My Way Downtown as they recover 3 willpower from slamming a highball so good it's a Major Project, at 5am on a Monday (they did their taxes yesterday so they don't have to sleep)

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:43 AM

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there are the yozis, the once-primordials, who were turned inside-out and sealed into hell-that-is-malfeas

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there are, then, three circles of demons

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the third circles, their direct servants/souls/aspects, and extremely scary motherfuckers

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the second circles, created (deliberately?) by the third circles

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and then the first circles, made by second circles for specific niches or purposes, populated in the countless millions

tulip folio Dec 18, 2025, 7:44 AM

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We're apparrently getting Autocthon's third circles in the alch expansion. I'm really hoping they put as much beef into the Divine Minister of War as they did for Ligier. XD

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:44 AM

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that's about the way of it

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the deeper read is that they're not just servants or aspects, but directly connected to their creators as parts of them

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:45 AM

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if you were asking if i knew any more detailed information, i know basically none of it

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i mean, that's what an aspect or soul would be, right?

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they are [the primordial]

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a face of them

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:45 AM

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ye

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:45 AM

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and, because exalted delights in things that at once are and are not

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entirely unique and separate people

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:46 AM

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and then 2CD are a further facet of that demon, which can be similar in vibe or completely different

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:46 AM

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while still being entirely their [master/creator/god/parent/self]

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:46 AM

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but usually there is a throughline

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:46 AM

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gotcha

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are they deliberate creations or simply another layer of the natural existence of a primordial?

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the reflection of the reflection that is orange-to-red-to-color

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:47 AM

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SWLIHN is the yozi of order and hierarchy, they like everything to be in it's proper place, and are visualized as a bunch of crystal spheres that burn with a Hlightless flame

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:47 AM

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marsh garden are they deliberate creations or simply another layer of the natural existence o...

bit of both

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:47 AM

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six of one, half dozen of the other

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:47 AM

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naisu

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they Just Happen, but can be made to Happen, and this is simply part of how they exist?

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:48 AM

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A First Circle is created by a higher circle, an entire species of Things (fauna, people, objects? sometimes?) that serve some purpose

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sometimes that purpose is "I need soldiers", which leads to Octavian making the Tomescu

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:48 AM

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ooh, there are inanimate first-circles?

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:48 AM

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south horizon SWLIHN is the yozi of order and hierarchy, they like everything to be in it's pr...

Munaxes is a 3CD who basically is a hholder of secrets and treachery. Every secret or wrong doing spoken filters to her and her shape is an bottomless void which, when manifested in reality, forms a gigantic ravine

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:48 AM

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sometimes that purpose is "#aethetic"

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:48 AM

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coral wraith Misc, any recommendations on my first charm purchase? I was thinking Expected Pa...

I have both of those, so you could go in another direction if you wanted. If not, Terminal Sanction is good.

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:48 AM

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first circle demons can be, literaly, anything

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:49 AM

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huh! i thought they had to be alive!

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:49 AM

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alive is a very loose concept for demons

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:49 AM

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or at least a semblance of life

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neat

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:49 AM

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"extant" is more what they care about

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because they're Spirits

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not things of Flesh

buoyant summit Dec 18, 2025, 7:49 AM

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yeah one is a single being who is also a giant wall of snakes

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She's also my martial arts master :D

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:49 AM

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bleak hazel I have both of those, so you could go in another direction if you wanted. If not...

Oh lol okay

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Hmm~

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:49 AM

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They are sometimes little jokes, like the construction workers who distil hard narcotics from their bodies and engage in take your kid to work day by picking up random children and wandering around with them

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:50 AM

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south horizon Munaxes is a 3CD who basically is a hholder of secrets and treachery. Every secr...

one of her 2CD is octavian, who basically embodies the concept of empire and also hates the earth because when Munaxes appears she is constrainted by it. He is a giant oil covered behemoth ogre of a demon, but his skill iisn't even mainly in combat, though he is no slouch

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:50 AM

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Your standard summoned demons are going to tend towards the beatstick types because they're great at it, but there are almost infinite first circles

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:50 AM

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he is a maker of nations, so he works to build and manage such things where he is and where ever he goes

lament owl Dec 18, 2025, 7:50 AM

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Blood ape moment

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:51 AM

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bleak hazel They are sometimes little jokes, like the construction workers who distil hard n...

I fuckin love Marrotes

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they're so silly

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lil guys just wanna build shit

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:51 AM

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can third circles manifest human(oid) forms, or are they simply themselves?

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:51 AM

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depends

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some do, not all

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:51 AM

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the answer, as always is, "if it should so please them"/"if it so fits their vibe"

south horizon Dec 18, 2025, 7:51 AM

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it's entirely dependant on their nature

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:51 AM

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does that depend on their desire, their yozi, o-

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gotcha

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:52 AM

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like. Ligier is The Green Sun

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:52 AM

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Sibris can, Munaxes can't, for instance

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:52 AM

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he is also a Beautiful Twink

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he is also also a War-Divinity Clad In Hellfire

coral wraith Dec 18, 2025, 7:52 AM

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Yes he is

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:52 AM

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we should usurp the unconquered sun and replace them with mister green

limpid badge Dec 18, 2025, 7:52 AM

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Both Are Ligier

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Yes

lament owl Dec 18, 2025, 7:52 AM

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Sometimes a cute boy is the sun
I play enough nobilis to know this

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:53 AM

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limpid badge

bleak hazel Dec 18, 2025, 7:53 AM

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I would not personally describe him as "cute"

marsh garden Dec 18, 2025, 7:53 AM

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HE'S SO SMUG

#Exalted