Exalted

[nova yew]

this is the best bit

[prisma sun]

And then I take a break from those by making statuary

[nova yew]

maybe ever

[prisma sun]

Stubborn atheism in Exalted is an exceptional bit

[limpid badge]

i remembered the vauge notes i scribbled about Bloody Hands solar incarnation and i do kind of love him
The Emperor of Benessia, Master of the Levindoll Legion

[nova yew]

it genuinely is

[prisma sun]

I think I am just purposefully never identifying Creature's solar incarnation since he was just

The Most Dawn

[velvet raft]

Oh I should think about the past lives for Chains and Hao Guntur

[prisma sun]

The Ur Dawn

[bleak hazel]

I firmly believe that building giant castles and doom golems and so on is healthy enrichment for craft exalts because otherwise they start churning out 5000 artifact swords as a cry for help

[nova yew]

all of that was a dream because it implies some past version of creature, implying to some extent that there is a world that continues on outside of his existence

so none of that happened clearly

[prisma sun]

EXACTLY

Reincarnation implies he can die

Which is impossible

[nova yew]

yeah

it was clearly a dream, a very well defined dream because Creature is also exceptionally good at dreaming

there is no skill which he does not excell at

and that includes making up past lives

[limpid badge]

Creature is gonna be the first fucking elder in hell dawg we're cooked.

[prisma sun]

Sitting at a dinner table with a bunch of other Deathknights from other lords, touching his food with his chop sticks in lightly clattering silence before unprompted saying "been getting really into doom golems lately"

[nova yew]

dfkldsajfkdahsjkf

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith is insufferable but exceptionally useful because as long as he gets to make a thing hes usually content to just follow whatever order is given

[bleak hazel]

Crimson Rain is always into doom golems

[prisma sun]

However he will absolutely not overachieve ever nor do anything that is not a explicit order unless its building things

[bleak hazel]

He's a doom golem audiophile equivalent, he's a tastemaker for doom golems as a subculture

[prisma sun]

If you forget to order him to move camp for more than a day he has already built a fort

[bleak hazel]

(spending 5000 white craft XP trying to figure out how to make a human sized TCG)

[prisma sun]

This isnt great because he just left it and now the enemy has a doom fort

[velvet raft]

Those are some big trading cards

[prisma sun]

One other deathknight he could get along with maybe

I need to write up more about his lunar mate tbh

She deserves more writing

[marsh garden]

ough

fucking

[prisma sun]

She is going to be exactly the same but also the exact opposite

[marsh garden]

every single time

[buoyant summit]

Okay I'm glad my impulse to call him a Reddit atheist wasn't off-base

[marsh garden]

i see someone (ironically or unironically) use the term lunar mate

or just mate

[bleak hazel]

The trading card golem just deals Creation!blackjack in his auction houses' attached party zone

[marsh garden]

it hurts me

[prisma sun]

Das the term

[marsh garden]

yeah and i hate it

[bleak hazel]

The thousand corpse goliath doesn't have small enough fingers for that job

[marsh garden]

they did NOT cook with that one

[prisma sun]

I mean like

[buoyant summit]

It is pretty cringe tbf

[prisma sun]

Its marrying two balls of light together

Its fine imo

[marsh garden]

"hey there guys it's me BIGALPHA006, i found a MATE"

it's so cringe

i understand that exalted is a genre fiction game, and i repeat the mantras daily

but they burned down the kitchen with calling a solar's partner their mate

[prisma sun]

The thing youre referencing also didnt exist in abundance until like

5 years ago

[velvet raft]

Okay, but consider: Lunar mate is the context of "aight mate"

[marsh garden]

it was one of three things i've known about exalted for about 10-15 years

[prisma sun]

Anyways I do gotta sleep

Gnight evernyan

[marsh garden]

do you mean the fucking alpha bro stuff?

that's been around in a few forms for longer than 5 years

[velvet raft]

Lunar mate like this

[marsh garden]

me 'n' me mates were avin a go would be much better

it's true

but it's not

and it attacks me directly

[velvet raft]

Is actually well-established canon

Lunar mate relationships are typically intense but can take any number of forms

[marsh garden]

i get it

[velvet raft]

The example I like to bring up is Leviathan, who was best friends with his mate and also was having an affair with said mate's wife (another Solar)

[marsh garden]

such as it is

and yet

[velvet raft]

Oh I know the catgirl waifu fanon stuff is weird and dumb

[marsh garden]

i would pay significant amounts of money to never see it again

[nova yew]

i kinda love how uncomfortable the implications are with lunar mates on either end

the concept of a "soul mate" or whatever being horror is fun

neither of you agreed to this dynamic

and yet you are bound inextricably to it!

a running theme with exalted

[velvet raft]

Standard Lunar/Abyssal friendship btw

[marsh garden]

yeah the concept outside of fanfic is cool

[nova yew]

this does not sound standard

[marsh garden]

in fanfiction it makes me want to kill six billion spacebattlers

[nova yew]

ah

i see you have read the fanfiction then

i have...not

[marsh garden]

suffer not the redditor

[bleak hazel]

Bullshit eclipse charm of the week:

Eclipse; Essence 2): Double 8s on Join Battle if combat 
breaks out during social interaction.```

[marsh garden]

waow

[coral wraith]

holy fuck

where

[bleak hazel]

Random demonblood in Adversaries

[marsh garden]

god damn

oh wait

demonblood, not a spirit

i can't eat them

[bleak hazel]

Device of Sid Embreakening

7 motes to start with 20 init

[marsh garden]

oh shit, what do sids have to get eclipse charms?

[bleak hazel]

Various things

They can trade for them, hit spirits with the ghost handcuffs and learn them, buy Divine Heritage etc

[marsh garden]

bwuh

ghost handcuffs?

and trade?

[bleak hazel]

A linguistics charm somewhere

[marsh garden]

are any of these generic or is the only pseudo-generic way to acquire eclipses the hungry ghost style?

(or divine heritage)

[coral wraith]

everyone has their own way of learning eclipses, iirc

[bleak hazel]

Divine Heritage is universally available, but it's mostly just hungry ghost

[marsh garden]

do deebs?

or can they get mastery access from something or other?

[coral wraith]

Deebs do not

[marsh garden]

hmm

[coral wraith]

I guess uh, change "everyone" to "celestial exalts"

[marsh garden]

is there anything deebs are good at, other than uh

outnumbering their opposition?

[nova yew]

theyve got some neat stuff

they get bonuses to being around eachother

and also uh, i guess channeling the elements

[coral wraith]

they have explicit combo attack charms in Heirs

which whip ass

[marsh garden]

that's neat

[nova yew]

oh fuck yeah

thats awesome

[marsh garden]

combo attacks go hard

[nova yew]

yeah

and they, of all exalts, deserve em

their thing is being in teams

they can even make oaths with eachother to get explicit bonuses n shit

[bleak hazel]

Deebs can eclipse charm by taking the forest witch thing that lets them be a spirit and an exalt

[coral wraith]

oh yeah!

forest witches are madcap

love em

[marsh garden]

i know one book or another vaguely alludes to the Immaculate Order being capable of removing the "fuck you deebs suck shit and die" MA penalties somewhere

having not really looked into the deeb book, is that the case?

and does that extend to mastery ever, or nah?

[coral wraith]

So, kinda - the five Elemental Styles are known as Immaculate Martial Arts

Immaculate MAs have no Mastery or Terrestrial keywords, so they're pretty explicitly for deebs

[marsh garden]

gotcha

[coral wraith]

Additionally, once a deeb learns an Immaculate MA's Form charm, if their Aura matches that Form, they can expend it if it's active to ignore all Terrestrial restrictions from any Martial Art for one game tick

[marsh garden]

ahh

that's neat

[coral wraith]

yeah, Deebs martial artists are pretty heavily encouraged to at least gun for an Immaculate Form because of that

they're long MAs though, longer than standard

[marsh garden]

how many charms are standard?

6-10?

[coral wraith]

that seems about right to me, and the majority only go to Ess 3

By comparison, Air Dragon is 12 and goes to Ess 5

[marsh garden]

JEEZ

[coral wraith]

You do get your form charm at just Ess 2 and with only like, 4 prereqs though

So it's not overwhelming investment if you just want to go in and grab a Form charm, then dip out

So yeah, deebs aren't exactly in the running when it comes to stuff like the "kill all the enemies on tick 1" awards, but they have stuff going for em

[nova yew]

yeah

and there are like 10,000 of them so

pretty solid

[bleak hazel]

Mastery is Solar Tier, so they don't get that, but they can get Resonant evocations on their artifact gear which is around the same tier

just costs 12xp rather than the usual 10 per evo

[marsh garden]

evocations cost 10?

oh wait

without the crucible rules

oh damn

finally looking at abyssal archery, and i quite like "create an elder scrolls soulbound weapon"

it's simple, sure, but soul weapons are cool as hell

and like, it says archery so that means gun

[velvet raft]

Oh, with plenty of outside help I put together an artifact to synergize using Mind-Hand Manipulation and using archery. Does this seem like enough, or too much, or too little?

Brain-Fingers of Thunder (3-dot)

Hell is a bad place, and being well-liked there is not always a kind thing. The Brain-Fingers are a leather archery glove made by Alveua, Keeper of the Forge of Night, in exchange for the lives of a number of Hao-Guntur's fanatical demon-blooded followers who wished to prove their usefulness by surprising the Infernal with a gift. He feels pretty bad about it.

Attunement Cost: 5
When attuned, the user waives the cost of Mind Hand Manipulation.

Hand, Eye, Intent
Mins: Essence 1 / Cost: - / Type: Permanent / Keywords: None / Duration: Permanent / Prereqs: Mind-Hand Manipulation
Bringing together will and form, the user of the Brain-Fingers can substitute Wits for Dexterity and Intelligence for Strength when using a bow. This evocation awakens automatically when its requirements are met.

Whim Becomes Intention
Mins: Essence 2 / Cost: - / Type: Permanent / Keywords: None / Duration: Permanent / Prereqs: Hand, Eye, Intent; Psychic Surge Exertion
The slightest thought is enough to stir the full power of the user's intention. Mind-Hand Manipulation becomes reflexive, and Psychic Surge Exertion can be applied to attacks with a bow using Hand, Eye, Intent.

[marsh garden]

oh wow, are stat replacers that low budget?

in artifacts

[velvet raft]

Not usually, but Mind-Hand already is a stat replacer

[marsh garden]

oh huh

what does it look like?

[velvet raft]

It lets you use Wits and Int for physical stuff, but normally takes a -3 penalty on "fine manipulation" and weapons use, among many other benefits

Of course you can just blast people directly and there are ways to negate penalties

So the big limitation is that it's a Simple charm

But here's what it does

[marsh garden]

waow

this looks cool

[velvet raft]

Waiving the cost for the attunement bonus comes out to exactly 5 motes, which is what the charm normally costs

Yeah, Infernals get telekinesis :D

It also has ten million keys

[marsh garden]

what is that?

[velvet raft]

Oh, a key is basically a permanent charm that alters an existing charm

Infernals is the first use of the concept

[marsh garden]

oh

[velvet raft]

But it makes charms a lot more readable

[marsh garden]

i wonder if other splats will get em

[velvet raft]

Doubtful that they'll go back and change stuff but

It absolutely makes the formatting way less horrible

[marsh garden]

then i shall continue to suffer with my abyssal

maybe they'll do a 3.5 in 10 years lol

[velvet raft]

Like, this is how they're laid out

[marsh garden]

OH

so instead of having long-ass trees that just

modify a single charm

[velvet raft]

Yep

[marsh garden]

it's just all there

[velvet raft]

Yep

[marsh garden]

now i'm extremely jealous

[velvet raft]

There are still trees, but it's a much cleaner setup re: changing stuff you already have

It also encompasses repurchases, making them easier to keep track of.

[marsh garden]

yeah...

very jealous

[velvet raft]

It does mean that Infernals are tilted towards repurchase-heavy charm trees but like

I don't have a problem with that

[marsh garden]

very happy if it'll be the model going forward though

for future books

[velvet raft]

I hope it will, it's similar to how alchemicals are laid out in some ways

Alchemicals have these things called "submodules", which cost 3 to 6 xp and expand an existing charm

This is important for them because they can only have so many "charm slots"

[marsh garden]

ahhh

right

[velvet raft]

And while they can switch out equipped charms between the slots, it's often most efficient to buy lots of submodules

[marsh garden]

because their charms are physical parts of their construction

[velvet raft]

Yep

And like Infernals, they lean more on a solid set of low essence charms with lots of upgrades

[marsh garden]

not knowing how old either is: are there exigent or abyssal supplemental books coming any time soon?

[coral wraith]

abyssals just came out a few months ago

officially

buckle in

[marsh garden]

gotcha

[coral wraith]

it will be a while

exigents ive heard rumours of something being in the works but idk

[marsh garden]

damn, wish they were uhhh

that many months later, to get the infernal layout treatment

[velvet raft]

The sid companion book is next up

[fierce star]

Exigents has their supplemental out I believe. Has foxbinder, couple other new exigents, expansions for existing ones

[velvet raft]

Hey y'all Chapter 11 is out

That's the bestiary chapter

There's a fair bit here! 73 pages. I'll post screencaps of the bookmarks

So right out of the gate we have Ligier. Essence 10. The big guy himself.

He appears to be a big fuckin' cheater :D

He's built very much like a raid boss, with a lot of specific counters to the action economy advantage a circle will have against him

For instance

Also once per scene he can say fuck off to being crashed

And he brings us an Eclipse charm!

He also has a super form

Munaxes is Essence 9, Pribosyl is Essence 8, Ululaya is 9

They are all Serious Fuckin' Business

We get a basic QC template for Second Circles, and then a bunch of specific ones

We also get three templates for 1CDs: combatant, courtier, and esoteric

Forum trolls

No, that's not it

They're doing a real-time MST3K of reality itself

HEY we finally have a straightforward offensive Eclipse charm to use as a benchmark

[bleak hazel]

Ah, I will have to get hold of this when I'm back home

[ruby geyser]

does Gervesin have stats somewhere in 3e already, or is he probably showing up in the companion book

i was hoping he'd be in the infernals book but he isnt one of the 2CDs we got

[tulip folio]

Liger: "Do you think I'm hot?"

[tulip folio]

I really like the templates for mixing up the first circles roles

[velvet raft]

If anyone wants me to go over anything in particular, let me know

This is a long chapter and I'm kinda mentally scattered right now

So I'm not going to try to talk about the whole thing

(Or read the whole thing in detail)

[fierce star]

I humbly request perronelles and luminata, the first for sorcerer reasons and the second because they're my favorite 1cd

[velvet raft]

But yeah, I think we can comfortably say that they did exactly what we expected and made Ligier the biggest, baddest, nastiest boss in Exalted to date

Will do

[fierce star]

I'll be afk a bit driving but thank you!

[velvet raft]

Although we didn't get perronelles afaict

Luminata! They're statted as combatants. Their primary competencies

The way the templates work is that there's a standard number of dice for things what the demon is good at

For combat stats, we're look at 9 dice for attacks (8L) and grapples, excellent combat movement, and good soak but no hardness

[tulip folio]

It's how they did it for Machine Spirits for Alchs. Seems like their general intent for 'make these guys vaguely in line with each other' and easier future development.

[velvet raft]

Also saves wordcount

Merits: they're very good at being sneaky evil deer, and they take aggravated damage and half soak against weapons made from certain kinds of wood

Oh, and if someone tries to hunt them, that person becomes weaker to their attacks

That last thing plays into their basic offensive charm, inceasing its bonuses equal to the applied penalty, and lets them do a long-duration deception. They can also ... oh damn

That could be nasty

[tulip folio]

Very good at sneak attacks/beating on hurt people.

[velvet raft]

Basically, they're very good at their core schtick: being the most dangerous game to the most dangerous game

[lament owl]

Question because I have yet to actually do battlegroup combat

How common are Rally rolls?

[tulip folio]

They're very important, as they keep your battlegroup from disintegrating.

[knotty island]

staring at her 5 to Rally, due to her charisma. Oh no.

[lament owl]

You can also use appearance to rally if that’s better

[knotty island]

Yes. Does this take a charm?

[lament owl]

Nope

[knotty island]

Oh, is this Rally For Numbers?

[lament owl]

Rally is Charisma or Appearance+War

Giving orders is Appearance, Intelligence or Charisma

[knotty island]

Appearance plus War? Ooooh.

[ruby geyser]

leading the army by force of hotness

[lament owl]

I think this is a “Appearance is the Aura stat” moment actually

Because it mentions that charisma gives big speeches and Appearance just like, charges and excepts everyone to follow

Charisma is a firebrand, appearance leads by example, and intelligence is bad at rallying but is for tacticians

[velvet raft]

Oh, @tulip folio, does this seem reasonable to you?

[tulip folio]

Hmm...hmmm. I think it's likely okay!

Also: I really need to do an edit to that SWLIHN martial art I made

As right now it's not compatable with mind-hand manipulation 😛

adds 'raw telekinetic force' to the list of style weapons

[lament owl]

Based

[fierce star]

Oh luminata are still super cool, excellent and thank you

[velvet raft]

Do you think it would be reasonable to have a third evocation that opens up the mote-theft-via-telekinetic attacks charm for Mind-Hand?

Or would that be going overboard?

[fierce star]

And fuck me WHY STILL NO LIVING ARMOR it's the ONE thing we're missing sesseljae are a reprint!

[tulip folio]

...also: I am being a bastard with this Ereta'een walker.

Invisible Death (6m, Instant, Supplemental, Uniform, Essence 2): An attack with the Heat Ray becomes a Surprise attack, inflicting -2 defence. The first time in a scene this charm is used against an enemy, he rolls (Perception + Awareness) opposing its attack roll. If he fails, its attack becomes an ambush. Characters without Superhuman or Magically-Enhanced Senses automatically fail this roll.

The actual attack roll isn't super fantastic so people with decent senses are going to beat it but still scary for like 'Hey, I am a dawn and I didn't buy any awareness charms'

[tulip folio]

Ereta'een Harvester
The Ereta'een are dying. The Direction Lords who fled creation to escape the Lord of Machines were few in number and while they rebuilt, their arcane science has introduced countless flaws into each artificially grown generation they produce to serve in their armies. Sicknesses ravage their bodies and more of each batch are failures, unable to function. The scientists of the Ereta'een desperately study lifeblood, attempting to divine the flaw that is bringing their people to ruin and how it can be corrected.

Those who cannot serve with their own hands are entombed in massive war machines of soulsteel, kept alive through constant transfusions of healthy blood and unleashed upon a creation they believe has scorned them. Invisible heat rays ignite forces that oppose them like tinder and tendrils swarm, hunting down warm bodies to drain of blood. This blood both sustains them and provides experimental material to scientists, fuelling their attempts to purge their species of weakness. 

Ironically despite their power, these three-legged walkers are seen as little more than unclean attack dogs by their fellow Ereta'een. Their certainty of their own superiority makes them unwilling to accept those among themselves they see as flawed and fills them with disgust over one who would sully their blood with that of non-Ereta'een. They will bring creation to its knees but they are impure abominations.

Continues to make the Ereta'een horrible little Fascist Greys

[lament owl]

Yay!!!!!

[marsh garden]

god these guys suck shit so bad

i love it

[tulip folio]

I'm glad they come across appropriately. As I think I said yesterday, the Jadeborn and Dragon Kings already have a lot of 'this precursor is noble and badly treated, they're to be admired'

And I didn't want to go 3/3 with that. XD

[marsh garden]

yeah, i remember that

[tulip folio]

Also: I'm realizing that these harvesters get their shit rocked by the Jadeborn war machine.

[limpid badge]

hey what about that precursor species with necks long enough to reach heaven

what was up with those guys

[marsh garden]

bwuh

[tulip folio]

Ereta'een Harvester

Evasion 1, Parry 7

Jadeborn War Machine:

Titan Shattering Bolt (5m, 1wp; Supplemental; Instant; Essence 3) A Withering or Decisive attack the War Machine makes with the Thunder Coil is unblockable and doubles 9s on damage rolls. The stress of using this charm prevents the Thunder Coil from being used until it receives maintenance, a process that takes several minutes of downtime.

[limpid badge]

they were mentioned once or twice

[marsh garden]

oh my god they just shoot it once and it falls over and shits itself

[tulip folio]

It's got enough health it likely won't die but it's firmly in the area of 'If he's still in there, he ain't happy' 😛

[tulip folio]

I'll have to look into them again. Do you recall the book they were from?

[limpid badge]

G-d, no, alas

[tulip folio]

...maybe dreams of the first age. I'll look over that one.

[limpid badge]

They were mentioned once or twice as a tragic loss of the Divine Revolution because they literally existed to sit there and praise the Primordials

Craning their necks to the sky to emerge in the lowest levels of Yu-Shan and sing

[velvet raft]

I imagine if Adorjan did a flyby at some point they all would have died right then

[limpid badge]

This is what i remember, it just always stuck with me

[limpid badge]

Ah, but Adjoran was Not Yet

That was still Adrian, The River of All Torment

Yah?

[velvet raft]

Oh true

I forgot she was not always aerial

[next delta]

What the Exalted did to the Primordials was terrible. But they sure make it hard to be sympathetic lmao

What's a different fluid between fucked up family members

[prisma sun]

To be fair its probably really easy to get beheaded when your neck is miles long

[bleak hazel]

So Ligier is very big indeed

[velvet raft]

Yep

He big

[bleak hazel]

Bet I could take him though

with a highly impractical E5 charm spread

[velvet raft]

Misc he can just keep boosting Green Sun Wasting until you explode

[nova yew]

Oh wait what gender huh?

[next delta]

He is very big but sometimes very little. Often both

[velvet raft]

The Primordials strike me as kind of ... not moral actors? And in that sense, they needed to be fought. But like.

You took a river and gave it dissociative anxiety.

[bleak hazel]

Reflexive burn life go brrr is my plan for that

[velvet raft]

That's fucked up.

[limpid badge]

hi Karen yeah they were like. Cranemen.

[prisma sun]

Did ligier get his stats out

[nova yew]

Yooooo

That’s dope

[velvet raft]

Yes

[prisma sun]

May i see

[velvet raft]

He's extremely powerful

[nova yew]

I love creatures who exist solely to give praise to divine beings

That’s like

My gender

That’s the whole thing

Fuck yeah

[next delta]

There is also that even if you think it's bad to torture a tyrant to death, it's still understandable if that's what the revolution does to said tyrant

[nova yew]

The eternal torture seems rough

Given its eternal nature

[marsh garden]

no i don't think torturing someone so hard that the ability to suffer after death appears is understandable

the act of revolution is understandable, however

[nova yew]

The underworld is great

[limpid badge]

Adrian’s whoooole job was to ring creation and eat fae!!!

[next delta]

Maybe "unsurprising" is a better way to put it

[limpid badge]

And now she’s a wind with psychosis

[nova yew]

underworld is a great awesome place shame about the uh

The eternal suffering

[next delta]

Though the "doesn't die and instead suffers horribly" is at least not foreseeable

[velvet raft]

I would like to think there was a better solution than getting the cosmic rib spreader out for God and shoving all of his friends and relatives into his body cavity, at least.

[velvet raft]

See Here With The Chains agrees

[next delta]

Mutilating them and putting them into their own torture-prison is more fucked up I think

[nova yew]

Yeah you know a lot of fucked up things happened to the losers of this whole war

[marsh garden]

i do not think that there is any semblance of a point in comparing the two things

they are both bad in impossible and overwhelming ways

[velvet raft]

It was just a bad scene

[nova yew]

And the winners….well. Like, it seems to be better. But also.

Damn this status quo also seems bad

[velvet raft]

We should keep the underworld and get rid of those assholes who claim to run the place

[nova yew]

Can we keep the dual monarchs ;-;?

They’re very polite

[velvet raft]

Yes

[nova yew]

Yayyyyy

[velvet raft]

We can keep the dual monarchs

[nova yew]

Yipeeee

[next delta]

Figure out how to unclog the cosmic drain so the neverborn can move on. That'd be good for everyone

[nova yew]

I love the dual monarchs

They’re gods of the underworld who are just kinda nice????? Their religion is also kinda just nice????????

They don’t suck? And they invented underworld time

I love them

[velvet raft]

If Here With The Chains were doing cosmic-level stuff it would be this

Death-positive

[marsh garden]

you know somehow i suspect here with the chains would not be a good ruler of hell

[nova yew]

The dual monarchs are great love their thing

[limpid badge]

It’s simple, remove their Fetters- all that Is

[nova yew]

Yea

That’s the clearest solution

Just destroy everything tying them down!

:))

[velvet raft]

No! That gets rid of death!

[nova yew]

Hey demons can still…die?

I
Don’t know if malfeas is included in the “kill everything” code actually

[next delta]

I don't know that one

[velvet raft]

My Abyssal

[next delta]

That is or was their "motivation" right?

[nova yew]

Still sooooorta is

[velvet raft]

She's going to do her own Death's Chivalry, with blackjack, and hookers. As a matter of fact, forget the hookers. And the blackjack.

[marsh garden]

yes

[nova yew]

No hookers ?????

What sort of blackjack is this!

[limpid badge]

Malfeas doesn’t know their touch, it isn’t part of the toy they helped make, so i imagine not

[next delta]

Demons can definitely die. And Yozi (I assume) can die as much as the Neverborn can

[nova yew]

Cool cool

[velvet raft]

I mean look you can have ghost hookers if you like but they're not specifically part of the program, Karen.

[prisma sun]

Ligier is indeed scary

[next delta]

Do the neverborn have soul hierarchies still?

[prisma sun]

Doesn't seem it

[nova yew]

Iron chains is a terrible person

[velvet raft]

Ghosts can be sex workers too but we do not have an obligatory ghost sex worker quotient

[nova yew]

There are remnants of their component souls

Deep in the labyrinth

But they’ve uh

Congealed

[next delta]

Got to break out the divine strength degreaser

[nova yew]

So there’s some big horrid kaiju down there made from fused component souls

You can summon em with void circle necromancy

[velvet raft]

So what we're gonna do is

[next delta]

🤔 can you even change how primordials or 3CD demons think/behave without killing their subsouls?

[velvet raft]

We're gonna summon one, kill it, summon another one, kill it, rinse and repeat

[nova yew]

See the problem is

[velvet raft]

We're gonna go through all of the giant death behemoths this way

[nova yew]

They’re already dead

So I think they just reform

[next delta]

That's what the spirit killing magic is for

[velvet raft]

STRANGE AEONS CANNON

[next delta]

Keeps Spirits Dead™

[marsh garden]

i don't think that worked the last time it was applied

[nova yew]

I think if that worked we wouldn’t be in this situation

[velvet raft]

(The cannon is my fist)

[next delta]

I think RAW it would work on the weird subsoul-ghosts

[velvet raft]

Welcome to the gun show

[prisma sun]

Theres gotta be a way to kill what cant be killed

[nova yew]

We might need more oomph when it comes to neverborn soul behemoths

[prisma sun]

Because they did it before

[nova yew]

Well this issue is these ones did die

[marsh garden]

yeah the thing is they uh

[limpid badge]

Auto did it by kind of lobotomizing his feitch so maybe?

[marsh garden]

killed the things that death doesn't apply to

[next delta]

Do only human souls go through the leth? When an exalted uses spirot-killing magic to kill a spirit does it usually destroy the spirits soul-equivalent?

[marsh garden]

it worked, it happened

[velvet raft]

Yeah obviously we need to get more creative, but as an Abyssal I think I am especially qualified to make it happen

[nova yew]

I think all souls do it

But spirit killing magic I think totally works on ghosts

The issue is

[marsh garden]

so now we need to figure out something other than murder

[nova yew]

I think they used “immortal killing weapons” here

[marsh garden]

because murder is why they're like this

[next delta]

Hum, so I guess you still need to do major damage to it, but that's presumably less traumatic (and maybe more reliable) than killing it

[nova yew]

And it didn’t do the trick

[velvet raft]

I do like the idea that the Abyssal Exalted could be uniquely qualified to end the torment of their masters in a way their masters did not intend

[nova yew]

I don’t think they’ll run out of congealed organ soul remnants

Yea

[next delta]

Maybe some high tier sorcery nonsense would let you transform a subsoul

[nova yew]

My abyssal genuinely wants to soothe the neverborn

She’s….figuring it out

[velvet raft]

But I don't think it would be a pure brute force/magic thing

[marsh garden]

i agree i just think that "have you tried killing them harder" would be a boring and nonfunctional way to do it

[velvet raft]

I suspect someone is going to need to use social charms

XD

[nova yew]

Magic musical lullaby ritual

Void circle working to make a lullaby for the neverborn :3

[velvet raft]

Hot take? As still-living the designers of death, the help of the Yozis might do a lot here

[nova yew]

True

[lament owl]

(Probably also would work as a WMD but that is not the point)

[nova yew]

Not the point!!!!

[velvet raft]

And Infernals do have really strong anti-undead options

[nova yew]

Not what I’m aiming for

[next delta]

"I am sworn to serve the deathlords who serve the neverborn who want Creation to die so their suffering may end. But I really want to take advantage of this 'Live Forever' thing so I better figure out an alternative"

[marsh garden]

a void circle necro does not need to brew a new spell to have a WMD

[velvet raft]

So my hot take is

A green sun prince and a deathknight walk into the Labyrinth

[nova yew]

Holy shit what if we need the terrestrials this time

Hear me out

[velvet raft]

I don't know how the rest of this joke goes

But that's how it starts

[nova yew]

Give them the literal biggest funeral ever

[next delta]

It would be a lot of work to find and kill them all. But fair (though killing the dead subsouls is at best a necessary but not sufficient component to having the neverborn move on)

[tulip folio]

It seems like if you want to fight green sun princes you want automatons, as they're disease immune and not dead

[nova yew]

Terrestrials are good at those and there’s a lot of them

[lament owl]

I did come up with a theory that The Weird Fucking Thing sealed on Gloam might be a neverborn component soul that never left creation/wandered back into creation during the first age and was too strong to send back down

[velvet raft]

Infernals are extremely good at fighting the enemies of Creation

Including their fellow demons

[next delta]

That's funny

[velvet raft]

It makes sense!

[next delta]

Yeah

[velvet raft]

The Primordials did a lot of the work of preserving Creation personally

They were an essential part of its structure and its defenses

[next delta]

Though I like to imagine it as "no one but me can be the enemy of Creation"

I guess the Yozi "yes, good, burn Creation down" probably makes the Neverborn happy. If they were capable of that level of awareness or happiness

[velvet raft]

But like they have some serious anti-Wyld tech

[lament owl]

Big funeral for the neverborn would go so hard

[nova yew]

Yea

[marsh garden]

twenty-year festival for the dead

[next delta]

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Is it better than the Solars? ~~or just better written ~~

[velvet raft]

Consider that the way death used to work was that souls went through the primordials for cleaning. Sacred cannibalism that restores both parties?

[marsh garden]

my god

[next delta]

They managed to currently shorten wyld-shaping technique. Even if it's still a bit silly it's a subsystem in the middle of a charm list lol

[nova yew]

Good lord

Here I was thinking about commemorating and remembering their names

[velvet raft]

If you're gonna have a funeral for the Neverborn, I think the Yozis have gotta be involved, is all I'm saying

[next delta]

Wait, what do the souls do now for cleaning? Since they are still being cleaned?

[nova yew]

But fine eat the god bits

[lament owl]

This is how the primordials can still win

[nova yew]

Lethe still is there

Just

[next delta]

Do all souls take a stint through Hell? Because that would be funny

[marsh garden]

the way to soothe them - unite life and death, create the ultimate revel, and have ten thousand terrestrials and ten thousand ghosts devour the underworld one bite at a time

[nova yew]

We’ve got the rest of the underworld too

[next delta]

Right, the underworld didn't exist at all before

I see that there might be a lot of actors against the whole "fix the neverborn" plan lol

"it turns out it is actually really easy to have the Neverborn move on. Too bad you have to fight all of the underworld to do it"

[velvet raft]

Look, if anyone has the logistical skills to do this, it's Falafel. So what we need to do is-

[next delta]

He might be a bit gunshy on directly opposing the Neverborn lol

[marsh garden]

i see, so the first step is freeing them from their armor and winning their eternal loyalty

[velvet raft]

That's why we need to break their oaths first!

[marsh garden]

i say, as if this can be described as the "first step" to fucking anything

[velvet raft]

Broadly I do think everything suggests that Creation not only isn't capable of going back to the way it was, it would kinda suck if it did.

[next delta]

🤔 doesn't some splat get a "break your oath for free" charm?

[velvet raft]

Things have never actually been good in Creation

[next delta]

I definitely don't think the Primordials should be put back in change

[velvet raft]

They've been good for specific people at specific times and oh look I'm doing a Robin again

[next delta]

Underworld seems mostly to be not a great development though

[nova yew]

Ehhhh

It’s been ups and downs

Same as creation

[velvet raft]

Karen, Robin broke out of your game again, can you please collect them

[nova yew]

It’s not all bad!!!!

Hahaha

[marsh garden]

yeah, the status quo just needs to change again

[nova yew]

Like most of the ways the underworld are bad are ways creation is bad but exaggerated cus it’s ghosts down there

[velvet raft]

How would I actually do Robin in Exalted ...

[nova yew]

There’s also love and joy down there

There are lovers

[marsh garden]

and "more violence, however deserving the recipients are or once were" hasn't been a functional solution yet

[velvet raft]

Probably an Abyssal

Maybe Lore or Occult Apocalyptic

[nova yew]

Lore tracks

[marsh garden]

the underworld is good as a viable path separate from or preparing for the lethe, but it's also a nightmarescape

[next delta]

Ok, step 1, figure out how to keep the underworld around even after the Neverborn move on...

[nova yew]

Mean to the people who live there!!!!!

[marsh garden]

look the people who live there would agree

it's scary

[nova yew]

It’s just goth!!!!

[next delta]

The sadness bees are kind of cute

[nova yew]

It’s not all bad

[marsh garden]

it's goth Creation, which is also scary

[nova yew]

Lmao

[next delta]

I would not want to live in Creation

[nova yew]

Creation is a nightmarescape too it’s true

[next delta]

All of the realms of existence in Exalted are some amount of nightmarescape

Even Autocthon and he likes humans

[lament owl]

At least you can kinda do more about it as a ghost

Since you can like, do ghost stuff

[nova yew]

All ghosts can cultivate yeah

[velvet raft]

Autochthon is wacky because the environment is deeply hostile to all living things, but like

[next delta]

Though it's also hard to change your thinking as a ghost

[nova yew]

You get weird

[velvet raft]

It's still one of the best places to be a human in terms of getting to matter

[nova yew]

It’s not impossible but

You become a creature of passions

[velvet raft]

Because Autochthonia literally relies on humans being cool in order to produce the raw materials to make its superhumans

[next delta]

It's only ever the lower soul that sticks around right? I guess the higher soul is always enlightened enough to move on

[marsh garden]

man, the nobodies from kingdom hearts would go kinda hard in exalted

[nova yew]

Both can stick around in weird ways

Higher soul sticking around is a ghost

[velvet raft]

Ghost vs. hungry ghost

[nova yew]

Lower soul sticking around is a hungry ghost

Yeah

They’re freaks

[next delta]

Oh, right nevermind then

[nova yew]

Though some powerful hungry ghosts made up of the fragments of the many people they’ve murdered are…intelligent

And weirdos

But intelligent!

[velvet raft]

And the superhumans rely on humans to function

[next delta]

... Is the Guild the organization to have the most mortal human influence on Creation?

[velvet raft]

So like, for human-ruled places, Autochthonia is the only one of any scale

Other than Nexus, I guess

[lament owl]

Unfortunately: Nexus

[marsh garden]

i don't know about nexus yet

haven't gotten to it in the reading

[velvet raft]

It's uh

[marsh garden]

would appreciate a rundown

[velvet raft]

It's Everything Awful About Cities

Nexus is the heart of commerce in the Scavenger Lands

[lament owl]

Its a borderline anarchocapitalist kleptocracy where the slums are literally underground

[velvet raft]

Functionally controlled by The Guild, a massive trade consortium

You can buy anything in Nexus

[marsh garden]

we love to see it

[velvet raft]

Anything

It's one of the worst places imaginable

[lament owl]

Now feels like an important time to mention that The Guild does sell To Raksha

[nova yew]

You can buy anything

They do not care who you are

[velvet raft]

Massive numbers of slaves get sold to the fair folk

Who checks watch eat their minds

[fierce star]

now now

the midns are usually intact

it's the souls they eat

(this is not better)

[velvet raft]

The Guild, notably, is probably the most powerful non-governmental organization in Creation

And is not run by Dragon Bloods

[prisma sun]

I think it explicitly is the most powerful NGO

[velvet raft]

It is run by pure mercantilist greed

[limpid badge]

The dream-eaten then get sold to plantations to do the kind of nightmare labor that is sugar harvesting

its Bad

[fierce star]

The guild could in theory actually cause the Realm's economy to collapse if they agreed on a way to do it

the problem is getting guildsmen to agree on anything

[tulip folio]

Also to avoid getting stabbed afterwards

[velvet raft]

Allegedly, the closest thing to a leader of the Guild is an improbably capable mortal who is just beating out the Exalted on pure magnificent bastardry

But to some degree the Guild doesn't have or need a leader

[fierce star]

Their offiical like, leader is a council of their richest plutocrats iirc

mostly mortals, a couple Xblooded, back in ex2 there was a terrestrial god of commerce on it

or mabye that was ex1

[next delta]

It stretches the imagination a bit that the Guild remains mortal-led only. Though it is a fun thought experiment to think "how do you keep out the supernaturally competent beings from taking over your leadership"

[chilly sluice]

they just really hate exalts

they also have some supernaturally competent people, just not exalts

they have a lot of god and ghostblooded, and they deal with Raksha a lot so sometimes a Guild hiearch will just have a Raksha bodyguard

also due to how cutthroat the Guild is, you just have to be pretty damn good at your job to stay a hierarch for any amount of time

[next delta]

Yeah, but 5+ more dice plus charms really helps with being damn good at your job >.>

[chilly sluice]

you just have to outmaneuver an Exalt in ways that aren't pure dice pool strength

[limpid badge]

Yes, but we also have to allow for stories to happen so Worry About It Less

[velvet raft]

You're correct that the it does stretch the imagination, but that's sort of the point

[fierce star]

both the guild and the perfect of paragon are kind of 'hmm but they aren't exalts how could they possibly' and if you think about that too hard you get one of the bad aprts of the ex2 fandom

[limpid badge]

The mechanics making the story not happen is boring compared to the story happening

[next delta]

Sure. I do think this is a bit thought-terminating though? Though I don't think that was the tone you were going for

[next delta]

The paragon has a magic stick!

[velvet raft]

The Guild's improbability is what makes it so compelling

[next delta]

I think its a stick? Maybe its a crown

[fierce star]

it's a stick, yeah

[velvet raft]

In a world of superhumans, one of the most powerful forces is still cold, hard cash

[chilly sluice]

if you try to take on a Guild hierarch, they will just pull every single dirty trick on you and ruin your life as much as they can

[velvet raft]

And it is very, very cold

[limpid badge]

Not really meant as it, im just used to seeing the line of logic spill out for several hundred pages of bad posts so i might be a little fast on the draw <remembers the shit people would say on the WW forums

[next delta]

Yeah, that's fair

[fierce star]

and sorry, I wasn't trying to be thought-terminating with my response, but mechanically the guild should not exist and this was

god, the ex2 discussions around it

[next delta]

Though it might not even make sense to "take over the guild" because it is so decentralized. Like even if a exalt got into a high up position, they are just running another business

[limpid badge]

Like, on the one hand, yes, it’s improbable by how the setting is written- but the improbable is INTERESTING and the story is more important than the actual mechanics

You know?

[next delta]

Yeah, that's fair

[fierce star]

a chargen solar in ex2 could take over the entire guild or something like that, probably. Hell one in ex3 almost certainly can, bureaucracy is a thing

[limpid badge]

remember how dreams of the first age wrote awareness charms that made the usurpation impossible

[buoyant summit]

snrk

[limpid badge]

I think about that a lot

What a bad fucking book

[fierce star]

it was awful

and ye tstill not the worst ex2 book lmao

[limpid badge]

SOMEHOW

[next delta]

I'm not sure if it is appropriate to handle the highest echelons of the guild as a single organization for Bureaucracy purposes? Though I don't remember what the High Factors(?) do exactly

[fierce star]

make money off of other people's suffering and be good at surviving assassination attempts

[next delta]

How bad was that book with the accidental cheesecake cover?

[fierce star]

make the most money, I should say

oh, uh. savant and sorcerer from ex1

it was a really good book actually, lots of fun setting details about thaumaturgy and sorcery and the like

[next delta]

Oh, I didn't realize that was first edition

[fierce star]

yeah every cheesecake cover in ex2 was on purpose

[next delta]

I mean when they get together to discuss stuff. Or is it more of a social event

[chilly sluice]

how do you do that accidentally?

[fierce star]

The artist sent the work in last minute and they didn't ahve time for revisions

[velvet raft]

White Wolf was a book mill

[fierce star]

It's like when a bunch of CEOs meet in real life to 'discuss business', is how i've always imagined it. So it's mostly a social event and soemtimes they make a decision that sends millions of people into poverty.

[dense verge]

i like the guild as being mortal led because i like mortals being able to do things

[next delta]

My vague memory is that it was some risque artist known for exalted stuff so they tapped him (I guess last minute per Iteration Drive). And due to communication issues (I think he wasn't a native English speaker?) he didn't realize they wanted a more regular cover instead of his normal artwork

[buoyant summit]

Random question since I'm wondering if my ST has just riffed this concept into being whole-cloth; he has ruled that I have 3-dot contacts with a cult in the Tsavo region known as the Society of the Serpent, who are Sibri worshippers, since my Sid is under Sibri's tutelage

And nobody in the Exalted server seems to know where more information on said cult can be found

[next delta]

Yeah, I guess I wish a bit that it was possible for mortals to more easily stacked the deck in their favor to compete. But that's not really worth exalted focusing on mechanically. And also most exalted aren't all 5 attribute 5 ability + appropriate specialty in whatever they are specialized in. That's mostly an artifact of being a PC lol

[buoyant summit]

Also, separately

Am I nuts for thinking a good way of modeling Sibri is thinking about her like Boethiah for the dunmer in Elder Scrolls <XD

[velvet raft]

If I really wanted to rationalize the Guild, I would say that it's simply so distributed and chaotic by nature that attempts to magic it just sort of fall apart

And if there is a guildmaster, it is understanding this and going with the flow that they manage to survive

They are riding the lightning

[prisma sun]

I like the idea that being rich is greater than 99% of all magic

[velvet raft]

But like, one rich guy is easy

In some ways the Guild is money itself

[buoyant summit]

The Guild feels very like it just

Is The World Economy

[limpid badge]

Lil bit

[fierce star]

When silver passes hands a guildsman profits

[limpid badge]

They’ve invented Capitalism while everyone is still mostly on Mercantalism

Like the Realm is Extractive Colonial Nightmare Times, but they care less about the amassment of capital than what that capital can do to express the Dynasty’s Power- rather than the money being Means and Method both

Jade vs Silver is the current currency debate of Creation

[buoyant summit]

And the Realm is kinda behind the curve due to Silver being Lunar associated via moonsilver

I heard a similar reason as to why they don't use gold, with orichalcum

[prisma sun]

who is the directional war god of the east

[fierce star]

Sunipa

[light olive]

My sad headcanonish idea is that the Mother from La Mulana is Gaia.

[marsh garden]

oh, orichalcum is a gold derivative in Exalted?

good to know

[buoyant summit]

It's not a derivative but it looks like gold

hence the Realm not liking to use gold for currency

[fierce star]

The Immaculate Order calls it 'Devil Gold' sometimes

[velvet raft]

I don't know if they've established this in 3e but in 2e it could be made from gold

[fierce star]

the magical materials are all alloys

or at least were

gold is part of the base of orichalcum, and silver for moonsilver

starmetal requires base iron iirc

[dense verge]

in 3e the guild are less straight up hypercapitalist megacorporation

theyre closer to the Hanseatic League or the Dutch c. 16-17th century

they are taking steps toward capitalism

[prisma sun]

Core and arms of rhe chosen both talk about how the materials are mined or made

[marsh garden]

was soulsteel a real steel alloy, then?

and/or is

[buoyant summit]

I thought starmetal straight up was

just meteoric iron

[dense verge]

also the Guild get their writeup in 3e in Across the Eight Directions

a part of it i like is that the guy trading spices and exotic drugs from prasad on a mountain of silver is as much The Guild as that guy down the street making cooking pots by himself and selling his wares, as long as both have membership

[next delta]

Speaking of doylist perspectives, I thought there wasn't any particular reason the Realm used silver over gold (it was a popular metal for currency historically). And likely it was chosen because it's what China used irl

[prisma sun]

I mean its all the same imo

Its not like these metals possess inherent value

[limpid badge]

It is! It’s also dead gods/completed fates

[fierce star]

or just the remnants of spent essence coagulated in the firmament!

[limpid badge]

Multiple things are true about the magical materials

[buoyant summit]

the fuck

[dense verge]

i dont think starmetal is dead gods in 3e anymore

harshed the office vibe with sids

[fierce star]

yeah that got retconned out to my knowledge as part of the 'lets make heaven not innately suck for sids' push

[limpid badge]

Oh fair enough

[chilly sluice]

I thought it still was, they just don't intentionally kill gods over it

[dense verge]

coagulated star essence or sommething in 3e iirc

On a side note, I like to imagine its always been The Five Magical Materials, but it used to be Adamant before Soulsteel was discovered. It's just that its really rare in Creation, and ghosts are a lot more easy to come by

so adamant kind of got pushed to the side over time

[lament owl]

weird question

but are things besides exalts resonant/dissonant with artifacts?

like.... are Raksha resonant with moonsilver?

[limpid badge]

no i think it’s just exalts

[lament owl]

Fascinating

[fierce star]

now, you can still fi tlike

other resonance/dissonance things

like if an artifact is resonant with someone who has a defining tie of true love or example

... wait mortal godblooded have an eclipse charm

mortals have no mote pool

how do they use their godblooded eclipse charm????

[lament owl]

I assume they get the "mote pool of 10" warlocks get

[limpid badge]

I assumed they Just Did It

And the mote cost is for Exalts

[chilly sluice]

IIRC they get a small mote pool that regenerates very slowly

[next delta]

In 3e? I don't think so. Unless you are supernatural in certain ways

[chilly sluice]

if you have the Divine Heritage merit

[next delta]

... That was a dumb context failure in my part

[fierce star]

hmm the merit doesn't say so but it also explicilty says for the exalted children of etc

which you can either read ot me 'nonexalted godbloods are built different' or tha tonly exalted can be godblooded, depending on if you want to be, like

sane or not

[marsh garden]

"yeah actually every mortal demonblood you've ever run into was secretly an infernal this whole time"

"these guys aren't special we've been doing it for centuries"

it would be a very funny bit

[prisma sun]

I assume it says that because its a player option and players are assumed to be Exalts

[fierce star]

well, yes, but it would be funny if, etc

[lament owl]

God working on an artifact and 10 evocations means this artifact requires 100 xp to max out

(or well, 9 evocations with 1 repurchase)

the math really mathss hard in exalted

[lament owl]

Hey so are there any actual rules for siege weapons or did the corebook give a charm that buffs siege weapons without a stat block for siege weapons

I also found refrence to them in the naval combat section but still no dice on a proper "what happens if I shoot you with a lightning ballista"

ARMS OF THE CHOSEN

RIGHT

but waait

this refrences a siege tag

oh I just have to sscroll up and the rules are there

[coral wraith]

@velvet raft any chance I can get my grubby mitts on the bestiary chapter?

[fierce star]

hey fluffy wanna know something hilarious

none of the siege weapons have any tags that prevent them from adding str to damage

[chilly sluice]

you gotta make sure your siege crews are extra buff

[lament owl]

well that is because its in the description of siege as a type/tag

[fierce star]

i don't have dots in literacy

[lament owl]

Iterationdrive do you want me to ping you when I finish this artifact?

I feel like I am cooking here

[fierce star]

you can, sure, I may be asleep or occupied but i'm always willing ot give feedback when I have a chance

[buoyant summit]

Uh oh the Ragara in my group's Heptagram game is treading on some topics with my Ledaal she night not want to yet <XD

[nova yew]

Uh oh!

[buoyant summit]

Hehehehehe

[bleak hazel]

On superior projects, each marotte that labors under the supervising character reduces the time needed bynten days, minimum one month.

I have a new favourite first circle

lads, boys, fellows, come work for your friend Crimson

One month manse real

[coral wraith]

oh yeah those things are fucking weird

Why do they accidentally take children

[bleak hazel]

take your kid to work day

[fierce star]

why did they reprint sesseljae but not print perronelles

do they just want sorcerers who aren't armored up to constantly be in danger of a stiff breeze killing them

grouse grouse bitch bitch

okay that's my last time doing that, sorry

[coral wraith]

Okay this is the funniest possible answer

Lmao

[coral wraith]

Come get your artifact robes like everybody else, magic man

[fierce star]

i refuse, I will wear a living demonic manifestation of paranoia or I will stride across the streets naked but for the glory Sol gave me

[marsh garden]

what are each of these things?

[fierce star]

Sesseljae are stomach bottle bugs, a first circle demon; they live inside you and eat poison

[marsh garden]

ohh, neat

[fierce star]

Perronelles are another first circle demon, they're a living suit of armor that can protect you against ambushes

[marsh garden]

ooooh, also neat

[fierce star]

they're part the quintfecta of 'every sorcerer with demon of the first circle shoudl have at least one of this type of demon on retainer', along with agatae, blood apes, and neomah

due to the broad range of utility or other general usefuless of having one around

or, well, they were in prior editions, but the ohter four kind of remain that in ex3

sesseljae are a reprint in infernals, they previously exist in... one sec letm e find the failsolar

adversaries of the righteous, in Fahim's statline, as he has one as a familiar

[tulip folio]

All solars are failsolars.

😛

[fierce star]

okay but Fahim is an especially bad failsolar

he's an essence 3 twilight who has sold his soul to a second circle demon... for like, pocket change.

[marsh garden]

but why

he could go to the fuckin yozis for prime hellish real estate at that point

[fierce star]

points to 'failsolar'

[prisma sun]

I mean he can probably just kill that 2nd circle and get it back at Essence 3

[buoyant summit]

Insane how my Sid who barely knows what Hell is has a sweeter deal than he apparently does

[marsh garden]

is...is this man like

an especially well-connected second circle?

what is bro doing

[dense verge]

running this solar's pockets is what ualac's doing

[merry arch]

i think he's just shortsighted and kind of a fool

[dense verge]

i support the demon in this endeavor

[fierce star]

I'm not actually sure if ualac gets mentioned in any ohter writeups, lemme look around

[merry arch]

uncritical support to anyone scamming solars

[dense verge]

need an infernal game where you're helping your good buddy ualac get his big break by capturing a solar exaltation

[fierce star]

Legitimately I'd play in that game bees

Ualac is a two-dot mentor

[dense verge]

everyone knows ualac

[tulip folio]

Fehim: "This wouldn't happen if Solar Integrity wasn't a dogshit-ly written charmset!"

[fierce star]

what's wierd is that while he's a twilight he looks like he's fuckin'

larceny focused

[lament owl]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IKc7YltdzB6n3Pp1GmvBB0vSgqA1-tUraf5phVbdY9Q/edit?usp=sharing
@nova yew @fierce star
I DID IT

[fierce star]

oh, sorry, investigation

he's investigation supernal I suppose, as his highest skill is investigation at 4

but QC, so like

wait he's nto a QC

but NPC

you get what I mean

ooh

hoembrew

[nova yew]

YAYYYY

[tulip folio]

The Wielder Of The Everblowing Standard adds a number non-charm dice to all Command Actions they take equal to their current anima. 

That's a fun alternate to the exising banner's thing of '1 automatic success'

Worse at low anima but can be better

And I mean...this is a Sov artifact

[lament owl]

Oh I didn't even know there was an existing banner

[tulip folio]

So you know

[tulip folio]

Sunset Blaze, yeah.

[fierce star]

increase the difficulty to destroy your fireglass to 5

[lament owl]

Felt like they deserved a little extra bonus and "eeven more fireglass durability" felt within the flavor of the evocation

[fierce star]

yeee

I should note for indomitable gemcut resolve that 'dim' is the lowest and default level of anima.

did you mean glowing or above?

[lament owl]

ahhh I meant glowing

[fierce star]

kk

oh I fucking love immortal inspirational will

[lament owl]

Thank You!!!!!!!
I was very proud of it

[fierce star]

so I think the highest bit of praise I can give

is I am already considering how to mix this with crystal chameleon style and sovereign war

[marsh garden]

real and based

[lament owl]

omg thank you

[lament owl]

Neat!
I am glad I manageed to slide into a diffrent niche

Thinking about how the Sovereign equivalent to Glorious Solar Saber turns them into Noctis FFXV

Like instead of summoning a single tied to them artifact weapon and maintaining it for the fight, they spend motes (reduced to almost nothing at bonefire, and to nothing at higher) to summon an artifact of any shape for a single attack or block

[fierce star]

see I always saw it as djeeta granbluefantasyrising's super skybound art

[lament owl]

leme look this up

[fierce star]

or wait, her regular one maybe, i get the two mixed up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB_OsnIS4SU firs tone displayed

[lament owl]

oh weell yeah that color pallete seems about right

[fierce star]

she summons the nine eternal's weapons one by one

in the original releaes of gbf verses it was a rave super, but they made it a normal one in rising :<

(I pracitced that timing so hard ;.;)

[lament owl]

I just brought up Noctis since that was a good example of that from a game I played

[fierce star]

legit, legit

fighting games are probably niche

[lament owl]

I mean it’s a pretty great example

Again the colors are even correct

[buoyant summit]

So

Sibri is a 'child' of the Ebon Dragon, yes?

[merry arch]

one of his souls, yea

[buoyant summit]

She's mentioned as mainly being based around the Demon City, are there any mountains nearby to it?

Oh wait

The Demon City is just

Hell

Got it

[merry arch]

yeah

[buoyant summit]

It's

The Whole Thing

Damn that's cool

[chilly sluice]

Malfeas is the Demon City, yes

[marsh garden]

iirc isn't it like a dyson sphere?

so you can look up at the "ceiling" and see more city

[tulip folio]

It's multi-layered, too

[buoyant summit]

I ask cuz I have a Manse Sibri gave me

And I wondered if there were any notable mountains near the city when I didn't realize the city was just

The thing

[coral wraith]

its the whole damn thing, yup

[fierce star]

the entire dimension yeah

[buoyant summit]

So far the description of the Manse, the Snakemount, is that of a temple-mansion built on the side of the mountain that shares its name, the path that leads up to it is, thematically, winding and serpentine, and it is surrounded by a moat of boiling vitriol.

Yes, I have made a combination of the Volcano Manor and High Hrothgar

[coral wraith]

beautiful

[buoyant summit]

Also wow on looking at her intimacies again I really like Sibri

[fierce star]

'Hideous In Wall form' to you, the writer of this book, maybe

[buoyant summit]

har har

I mean as like

A mentor character

In several key ways she is like my favorite mentor in Elder Scrolls

Boethiah :D

[fierce star]

well no I get you I was just making a joke about cowards, sorry

[buoyant summit]

Eh?

Oh lol

And you don't like

Need to apologize

xD

[fierce star]

nonsense, I must apologize for everything I do, especially if it's not something worth apologizing over. I'm not even canadian.

(This is a shitpost)_

[buoyant summit]

lol

[tulip folio]

Important Fact: Autocthonia uses Metric. 😛

[prisma sun]

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_t5fuakIN2F1ykp17t.mp4

The exact visual and audio dichotomy of playing a performance exalt

[tulip folio]

Vague Pondering: Sidereal Violinist where the violin bow is actually a sword because it's razor wire strung.

[nova yew]

One of my favorite songs is a glitch pop remix of a reconstructed Sumerian prayer song

Or it might’ve been Akkadian -actually it might’ve been hurrian hymn no 6

Yeah it was a remix of hurrian hymn no. 6

[prisma sun]

That's why it's number 1 baby

[tulip folio]

Does this seem like an interesting bonus for a Martial Art form?

[nova yew]

Goes hard as fuck

[marsh garden]

yoooo

got a link?

that sounds fucking sick

[tulip folio]

-The bonus to defence from a shield applies to both parry and dodge.

So you're getting +1 non-charm dodge if you've already got a shield.

[prisma sun]

@nova yew question actually

did you ever watch JJK

Also that seems fine

Not like shields are in vogue

[nova yew]

Yeah

Watched it

[nova yew]

https://youtu.be/DGn2Tq50f0o?si=p-PMJkjnheRKEyON

[tulip folio]

I'm doing up Crimson Pentacle Blade for 3e

[prisma sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvlOhWgTb-M

[tulip folio]

And Crimson Pentacle really likes polearms and shields.

[marsh garden]

y'know it's kinda fucked up to me that afaik there's no generic way to 1h a two-handed weapon

in 3e

also god, nier music is so beautiful it's unreal

[nova yew]

Oh god yeah that goes hard

[marsh garden]

i wish the video wasn't 4k upscaled tho...

[nova yew]

I forgot why sukuna did that

Fighting the wheel thing I mean

The context is lost on me

[prisma sun]

Oh, because he wanted Megumi alive

[nova yew]

I know it’s from…fuckin, summoner kid

Yeah

Okay

Right

And the

Yeah

[merry arch]

potential man*

[nova yew]

Okay I remember

[marsh garden]

yeah megumi summoned mahoraga to try to bail

but sukuna kaisen had to happen

[nova yew]

Yeah I recall that

[prisma sun]

That's why he summoned Big Raga

the Op Stoppa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeM-dILIkEk

[nova yew]

Mahoraga really was scary given uh
How beefy it was

Given everything

[marsh garden]

so he blasted mahoraga (which counted as megumi "Clearing" it for the purposes of summon ownership)

and then possessed megumi

[prisma sun]

Actually it didn't

[marsh garden]

did it not?

[prisma sun]

No

[marsh garden]

i swear it did

[merry arch]

nop

[marsh garden]

fuck

[prisma sun]

Adding people to the ritual nullifies the result

[marsh garden]

ahhhh

[prisma sun]

The Shikigami only respects 1v1s

[nova yew]

I love those things

Genuinely

Good shit

[prisma sun]

I wonder if I can stat Mahoraga

[nova yew]

Damn I guess JJK genuinely isn’t a bad draw for the shit exalted characters do sometimes

[prisma sun]

for Exalted 3e

[nova yew]

ESP martial artists and sorcerers

[prisma sun]

JJK rules for inspiration

[nova yew]

Normally I don’t like carelessly drawing on anime inspirations but it’s like

Perfect?

Divine asshole sorcerers of varying thematic tools

[marsh garden]

i think outside of sukuna kaisen (and kind of it, i understand what greg was going for he just fumbled it too many times) JJK is a great experience

[prisma sun]

like 100%

Eight-Handled Sword Divergent Sila Divine General Mahoraga

is just an Exalted Name

[nova yew]

It’s Peam

[marsh garden]

it truly is peam

[tulip folio]

Crimson Pentacle Blade Form
Cost: 7m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 1
Type: Simple
Keywords: Form, Mastery
Duration: One scene
Prerequisite Charms: Speardancer Concentration, Graceful Tortoise Technique
The Stylist steps upon one of the five points that make up the Crimson Pentacle, bringing its powers to bear against her foes.

The stylist gains the following benefits:
• She may apply the bonus to defence from a shield to both her Parry and Dodge.
• She adds an automatic success to Movement, Rally and Rally for Numbers actions.

She also adopts one of the directional postures when she activates this Charm, granting additional benefits:

• Northern Ice Blossom: The stylish is watchful and calculating, waiting for any opening she can exploit. Her style weapons gain the Piercing Tag. Weapons that already have the Piercing tag ignore the defence penalty for making a piercing attack against lower initiative foes.
• Western Shield: The stylist's shield is as much a weapon as a protective tool. She ignores the shield tag's damage penalty and it gains the Smashing tag.
• Southern Scythe: The stylist is acrobatic and flourishing, turning her leaps and steps into unstoppable power. She suffers damage from falls as if they were one range band shorter and may make Impale attacks with any style weapon, even when not mounted.

Changing stances requires a miscellaneous action. 

Special activation rules: When the stylist successfully lands a decisive attack against a foe within close range of one of her allies, she may reflexively enter this Form.

Mastery: The stylist may change stances reflexively at the start of her turn.

How's this seeming so far? Not finished yet

[lament owl]

Interesting, the mateery here is very fun

[tulip folio]

It's rather inspired by even blade as they're both 'i have subtypes within my style' styles

[marsh garden]

does anything special determine martial arts' attacking stat, or is it just "the weapon you're using"?

as per standard combat rules

or are there martial arts ability dots?

[tulip folio]

Martial arts dots!

[marsh garden]

gotcha, are they per art, or generic?

[tulip folio]

Per art

[marsh garden]

ic

[tulip folio]

Which makes a martial art that crosses a few areas pretty nice

Like a dagger martial art lets you do some Thrown Stuff and some melee stuff

With a single ability

[marsh garden]

ahhh, that makes sense

[chilly sluice]

you buy dots per MA, but you can use the highest of compatible MA you have