Exalted

[velvet raft]

I think it'll still be relevant to feats of destruction, and also it has a scene-long duration which could help when willpower costs are in play

[marsh garden]

ahhh, feats of destruction are not feats of strength?

[velvet raft]

But yeah, it is primarily an extremely sexy combat charm

Don't quote me on that

[marsh garden]

i see

[velvet raft]

Lemme double check

[marsh garden]

i should probably join the exalted discord so i can ask about this kinda bullshit in there

is the whole thing with "bonus dots" not being real dots for calc purposes said anywhere or was it something people had to get errata on?

bc i haven't managed to find it in my crb read

[velvet raft]

You know, having read it again, I think they probably are, but I'm legitimately unsure because cooooooooore

[marsh garden]

ow

[velvet raft]

But I would go on the side of demolition being a subcategory of strength

[marsh garden]

do you happen to have a link to the exalted disc?

i found several, but all expired

[velvet raft]

https://discord.gg/xxg9vvrz

I found my way there by way of the Chronicles of Darkness discord, which is publicly listed and has a link to it

[tulip folio]

I have some minor grumbles about that discord but it's mostly full of good info.

[velvet raft]

Bits and pieces of weird culture but seems on the level overall

[marsh garden]

anything i should be warned about?

(and thanks, by the way)

[velvet raft]

Eh, some folks can just get a little defensive. Not really shocking.

[tulip folio]

The way my friend described it is 'they're a bit lorebrained'. In that they're not super amenable to 'what could be' vs 'what has been spelled out in a book as certain'.

[marsh garden]

i'm fine with that for a dedicated server tbh

i can understand complaints with it as well

[velvet raft]

All of the weirder exchanges I've had have been in the Infernals channel

[marsh garden]

but i'm more than happy, in a setting with this much deliberately left vague, to have people very firmly keep on topic about what isn't vague

to function as a guide and baseline (even if you ignore all of it later)

[velvet raft]

Where I've been like, "I think it would be good to add a clarification about XYZ," and someone says, "but they do have that, look at the sidebar!" so I double-check the sidebar that I've already read and come back saying, "no, it quite expressly doesn't say that," and somebody else says, "it's implied!"

[marsh garden]

ah

yeah that's the opposite of what i want lmfao

[velvet raft]

But like, again, I've only encountered that in the infernals channel

[marsh garden]

if it's implied i want people to go "x page on y book implies z, but nothing explicitly confirms it"

[velvet raft]

Oh, this is a nice little resource https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AIHHWH0jb9qLGgKz5Y1NxDlgF7ax8Y9mezR1vEL7ebc/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[marsh garden]

wow

literally zero compatible with greataxes

zero compatible with hammers

two compatible with light axes

[velvet raft]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E6_FjrM9JeQiVtmj2hSqN6JyJpCGbdZLNX12elvdRUk/edit?gid=1085809898#gid=1085809898 We did have this info in one place already but this makes it a bit more visually intuitive

[velvet raft]

Both of those two have a big emphasis on fear tech, so I kinda want to play around with an Abyssal who uses those + thousand blades while sitting in the Seat Of Deadly Splendor

[marsh garden]

hah

[velvet raft]

Standing up while doing martial arts is for the plebs, as you know

[marsh garden]

the Don't Make Me Go Over There build

[marsh garden]

Mighty Thew would be considered as adding non-charm dice, yeah? it seems obvious, but i should check

[velvet raft]

Yes

It's not magic, you're good

[velvet raft]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[ruby geyser]

that last point still feels meaningless

[tulip folio]

...oh...well...there goes a lot of my plans for the wanderer intelligence charms. XD

[ruby geyser]

like, what couldn't be translated?

at best it sounds like its saying de-/materialized entities can't affect things on the opposite side of the aura

because of the 'something physical' requirement

[lament owl]

You can’t send psychic messages to someone inside

Using like, the abyssal telepathy stuff

[velvet raft]

This is so funny

"I had an extra -1 health level but it turned into three -4 health levels"

[marsh garden]

god damn

i kinda wish abyssals had that one lmao

[lament owl]

Arent -4s low-key better than -2s for Infernals because it makes the part of your health you can superform in bigger?

[marsh garden]

is that how they work?

that's neat

[fierce star]

yeah, infernals like -4s

they go devil-body once you have any -4s filled

they, conversely, hate dreaming pearl courtesan because -4s instantly kill you no save do not pass go do not be remembered

(I'm adding anothe rthing to my list of corebook grudges)

[velvet raft]

Infernals also have good ways to reduce wound penalties

[dense verge]

the infernal gets to see the shape of the play by post for a bit

[fierce star]

oh, my infernal who's actively hunting down a fae lord in the dreaming sea should, uh

probably have a shaping defense, huh

that's probably important

[marsh garden]

lmao

[fierce star]

you can tell i'm used to playing lunars

'oh right iH ave to actually TAKE a shaping defense'

[marsh garden]

"dormamu, i've come to bargain"

immediately turned into a blackberry bush

"that was weird. anyway"

[marsh garden]

oh, does lunar shapeshifting natively give them shaping immunity?

[fierce star]

Nah,t he tattoos do

[marsh garden]

ahh

[fierce star]

only for physical shaping but that's still like

most shaping effects

[prisma sun]

Yeah its like Beast Boy

Turn me into a rabbit

Turn back into a guy cuz I can just do that

[marsh garden]

turns you into a red rabbit

can't green yourself now

[fierce star]

so lesse here.

Universal:
Swallowing the Scorpion, Sun-Heart Furnace Soul
Occult:
Terrestrial Circle Sorcery
Sail:
Mother Sea Mastery, Hellbound Mariner Saga, Demonic Fog Shroud (Venom-Vapor Brume), Raucous Scoundrel Revelry, Ichor Flux Tendrils (Thousand-Limbed Terror, Willful Horror Extrusion, Acidic Anemone Lair), Lawless Corsair Charter
Integrity:
Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy
Spells:
Impervious Sphere of Water (Control), Demon of the First Circle

looks like a good spread to me, I think

[marsh garden]

unforchies i have no idea how to tell

speaking of having no idea how to tell -

Dread Strength Discipline
Awful Clarity Insight
Superior (Sense) Focus
Countless Grasping Phantoms
Brutish Violence Exercise
Dead Man's Grasp
Inescapable Iron Grip
Ravaging Torment Blow
Agony Crucible Strike
Blood-Drinking Palm
Death’s Inscrutable Mask
Bound by the Old Laws
Screaming in Silence
Spirit-Sensing Meditation
Corpus-Rending Blow
Corpse-Body Resilience (Ox-Body)

if y'all could weigh in on whether this is a reasonable starter spread, i'd appreciate it. should i remove the grapple stuff because i've got so much invested into non-grapple combat?

and pick up some more util

...or just more athletics charms

[fierce star]

hmm

I think that's a good set. You could probably drop the grapple stuff, if you feel like you aren't likely to use a lot of it?

[marsh garden]

i have no idea, honestly

[velvet raft]

Yeah, that's a solid set

Grapple is generally something you build around specifically, so you'll have to make a call on that

If you go drop the stuff you have for it, you could probably nab the Dark Messiah Whatsit, or alternately the hot-shit Join Battle charm from Awareness that requires two superior senses

But grappling is good, so it's just what you want to do

[buoyant summit]

how would one build for it?

[fierce star]

Oh! Rhi! I was reading backlogs and I had a hilarious idea for your character, though it's a 'talk to your GM' one. HOw do you feel about sacrificing part of your immortal soul for demonic power?

[buoyant summit]

My character is kind of fuck it we ball in the extreme

wassup

[fierce star]

so there's a new merit in infernals called Investiture of Infernal GLory

[chilly sluice]

oh is this just Akuma/Warlockdom?

[fierce star]

Yeah it's the mechanics for warlocks in ex3

[buoyant summit]

I am 100% taking this with GM approval

imagine Ted seeing this seething bastard rogue Sid and going 'wow you really should have been one of my Infernals. Oh well, here's a little something in exchange for serving me~'

[fierce star]

:D

I'm glad to help make your character's story even more complicated and bullshit

[buoyant summit]

If she takes it, especially the N/A version, there is probably no way in Hell (heh) that she's getting a job in Heaven tho

[fierce star]

frankly givne how understaffed heaven is she probably would, just with like, severe restrictions compared to your average sidereal. At least that's how I'd play it as a GM. Lots of field assignmetns and kept far away from anything secretive.

[buoyant summit]

'We grant you membership in the Convention on Hell, but not the rank of insert rank that people actually listen to'

[fierce star]

Paul Skywalker. Anakin Atreides.

put the right name there id

[buoyant summit]

lmao

Another player is actually very much the Paul

Except instead of summoning worms its

Being The Sandstorm

He has an infernalist desert cult and everything

[fierce star]

nice

[buoyant summit]

I am much more the straightforward Bene Gesserit

The gm's allowed him to use Righteous Devil with the Survival sand blast btw

Cuz he picked the proceeding charm that makes it

H o t

[velvet raft]

Fun

[velvet raft]

It would be either that or she’d be a high priority target

[fierce star]

yeah

I feel like taking them alive for interrogation is definitely a thing that would happen

[bleak hazel]

Big intimidate pool, possibly a combat style that likes instills and inspires

So hungry ghost and/or devil prince sword

Would personally not suggest selling your soul to a third circle when you can just become strong enough to do solar circle workings yourself with reasonable ease, but you do you

It's generally a poor trade

[buoyant summit]

The plan would be to use Devil Prince either as my main style or a supplement

[wise ocean]

Your soul is VALUABLE
Only sell it to a YOZI to ensure OPTIMAL VALUE CONVERSION
Your NETWORK is your NET WORTH

[fierce star]

alright who let Hegra into the chat

[buoyant summit]

I mean the plan is a yozi

[fierce star]

... i just realized the fucking pun

with hegra in ex3

[buoyant summit]

I am asking my gm 'yo, Teddy question mark?'

[fierce star]

SHE'S RAINBOW CAPITALISM. FUCK.

[bleak hazel]

You are an essence 1 baby exalt, maybe go do some stuff before you start trying to strike bargains with yozis

[buoyant summit]

lol

[bleak hazel]

Also if you try to plan a Lotus Massacre it will go worse for you than it did in that terrible 2e book, because 3e sids have actual game

[buoyant summit]

dunno what that is

[fierce star]

it's when the yozis killed every single sidereal at the same time in ex2

it's from return of the scarlet empress, a book we should best ignore 90% of

[bleak hazel]

via an endless horde of puppeted exalts including a bunch of sids for some reason

Terrible plot beat designed entirely to move all the sids out of the way so that the solar pcs became The Last Hope

[buoyant summit]

I

Yeah that's ass

And not the plan

My character doesn't hate Heaven or other Sids

She doesn't strictly know the latter exist

[bleak hazel]

understandably many people kind of sigh when they hear "this Sid has decided to let the yozis set their defining life's agenda for mediocre powers" for this reason

[buoyant summit]

That is fair

[fierce star]

also being honest I was considering just going for major at best when I suggested the idea to Rhi

because N/A stuff is usually beyond chargen level/not avaliable to PCs at chargen

[buoyant summit]

Oh yeeeeaaaahhhh

Truuuuuuuu

I will at most do Major then

[bleak hazel]

also do be aware that the Bureau will eventually send someone to bring you in from the cold and explain basic setting facts

[wise ocean]

well, you shouldn't do major because it's a bad deal

[fierce star]

and a major intimacy equivalent is a lot more dealable than defining

[bleak hazel]

Probably before you're in a position to pact with goddamn yozis

[buoyant summit]

Okay this is probably because I woke up on the wrong side of the bed

I am sensing some hostility

[wise ocean]

just win yourself some fame, pal around with your infernal buddies, get to e2-e3 or whatever, then go I Fucking Love Yozis

assuming you're still on that character arc by then

[fierce star]

... sorry I even brought it up, I just thought it'd be a fun addition to Rhi's trainwreck

[buoyant summit]

Can I please get some grace about this idea and not knowing its full implications because I have played Exalted for a total of three weeks lmao

[wise ocean]

i've got no skin in this game, dw

[buoyant summit]

That is mainly directed at Misc

[bleak hazel]

Oh yeah, I'm just saying you appear to be treating yozis kind of casually for Essence N/A living world-concepts whose souls' souls are your peer entities

[buoyant summit]

That is fair lol

Having more fully internalized that I will at most go for Major at chargen, but probably Minor

[bleak hazel]

It's a bit like going "session one dark heresy, time to get the personal attention of Khorne"

[buoyant summit]

lol

[bleak hazel]

except yozis are more reasonable

[buoyant summit]

So if I take the 3-dot, what are reasonable mutations and an eclipse charm from

Sibri Apparently

snakeskin unusual hide seems obvious

[fierce star]

unusual hide is also an extremely good pick for sidereals given you're probably gonna not have armor

[buoyant summit]

I am not I have charms that key off having no armor

xD

[wise ocean]

endgame dark heresy is wild, a few years in people were throwing around combos that could one-round a Leviathan Dreadnought and such

one of my OCs popped up in the DM's hands fighting us and nearly killed a PC before getting owned by a stolen custodes spear + chaos blessings and having to port out, which was a pleasant showing

I played a Word Bearer at the time, who was the Reasonable Social Center of the Party

[prisma sun]

I did calculate a combo at one point where a Deathwatch Devastator with one attack roll could kill the entire population of Cadia.

With a heavy bolter

or was it one turn

Can't remember

[bleak hazel]

Minor investiture is more reasonable for chargen, mutations are nice, second circles are reasonable interlocutors and it's at the level where it can be bulled through or changed if you don't want to to full yozi cultist

Defining is more or less "I have locked in my entire character arc, let's go"

[dense verge]

you will never regret incorporating a defining characteristic of the yozi into your soul

[bleak hazel]

if your Sid does a Fehim and ends up selling their soul for a ridiculously cheap price due to not knowing of the alternatives I will be mildly disappointed but it's not like there isn't precedent

Love that guy, total failexalt

[buoyant summit]

Minor feels appropriate cuz it's the only way to preserve also having Sibri as my Mentor

[dense verge]

fehim's a solar, i expect little

[fierce star]

we expect little and recieve even less

[velvet raft]

@bleak hazel oh, btw, the creator of the master sheet tells me that the sheet is a psyop to turn people against bonus points XD

[velvet raft]

It’s actually pretty funny in a “who the fuck wrote this” sort of way

There was a style called Infernal Monster with a top charm called One Hand Fury

And anybody who knew One Hand Fury could be mind-controlled by the Yozis exactly once

[chilly sluice]

Lmao

[fierce star]

one day I'll have a non-.txt ex3 sheet that is alchemicals-OK

[velvet raft]

I asked about that, btw!

[fierce star]

it's a ton of backend work for either master sheet or LCA, inninit?

[velvet raft]

I suggested that even without importing all the charms, folks like me would be appreciative of compatibility

And they said they had an idea for how to do it

[fierce star]

oooh

neat

[velvet raft]

Basically treating submodules as charms with variable XP costs

[fierce star]

... Hrm. I need good wits. And I need good perception. And I need good intelligence. Because I'm a ship's captain/sorcerer/businessperson.

[velvet raft]

Slots would still need a new tab to have really complete integration, but

So that may happen in the near-ish future

[fierce star]

neat!

[prisma sun]

was there more to this btw, this just kinda left off

[velvet raft]

Oh, yeah, so

The Yozis cashed all of their one-hand fury chips

[bleak hazel]

Technically, Sids could duck fate the mind control to delay it for another time but this was fully "the bad guys in the action movie forget they have guns" tier writing, so none of them used prior warning, expected pain, duck fate or avoidance and none of them knew anything about the martial arts mind control backdoor.

[buoyant summit]

Bruh wtf

[bleak hazel]

also there were a whole bunch of yozi-invested puppet sids and all 50 infernals for some reason because it's easy to convince every infernal to suicide charge the best defended location outside the Imperial Manse

2e did not like you if you weren't a Solar or Infernal, the Lunar Elders got rolled offscreen by extra infernals that they pulled from somewhere

[velvet raft]

Which included lots of random exalts and Sid elders because martial arts

[bleak hazel]

and the entire realm was casually mind controlled as well, except Mnemon and a few others

[velvet raft]

It was an extremely stupid adventure

Return of the Scarlet Empress

At the end it proposes that maybe the titular Scarlet Empress becomes a quasi-saint, because as we all know the only awful things she ever did were under the influence of the Ebon Dragon

[buoyant summit]

lmao what

[chilly sluice]

The Scarlet Empress never did anything wrong

[velvet raft]

RotSE is a significant part of why so many people are glad to see “the Yozis are trying to take back creation” excised from the line

[chilly sluice]

I thought the Reclamation as a concept was cool tbh

But I get why they're backing off from it

[velvet raft]

I had no particular problem with it

But I admit I’m enjoying what’s happening in its absence

Weird, purposeless rock star Infernals and Yozis definitionally trapped by their own sense of cosmic disgrace

[buoyant summit]

So, I am taking 5 dot investiture of hellish glory

and the first eclipse charm I'm taking since snake themed eclipse charms seem... lacking

Is Anuhles' Thread-Spinning Snare where they can set up web traps

But just

Snakes

Suddenly Snakes

feels fitting for Sibri who afaik from reading her statblock is also a grappler based on snakes

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-old-snake-mgs-metal-gear-metal-gear-solid-gif-4254303418940939770

[buoyant summit]

lmao

took me a second

Also I just realized I'm fucking making Orochimaru

[fierce star]

I'm of the opinion that both the Locust Crusade and the Reclamation are decent ideas for a campaign focus but making them Full Canon and with bad writing makes them too one-note for the setting

[bleak hazel]

I've increasingly become a fan of smaller scale campaigns, or at least campaigns not based around slamming splatbooks into each other

[prisma sun]

I like the idea that there is a thousand little apocalypses

[bleak hazel]

Deeb game plot I'm spinning is basically Satrapy Defence Force and that can go in about 5 directions

[dense verge]

yeah, north, south, east, west, center

[buoyant summit]

never eat shredded wheat chicken

[velvet raft]

Like Super Asia

I like slamming splatbooks sometimes but I like regional conflicts more than “let’s blow up the universe”

[buoyant summit]

hehe Gem go Boom

[velvet raft]

Lower stakes, lots of wacky people

[fierce star]

I like ot build up from 'small regional bullshit' (gem exploding) to 'oh god why is this happening we don't have any choice FIRE IN THE HOLE' (laying geomantic detcord across the dragon line leading from the imperial city to the imperial manse and triggering it to deny it to both the yozi and neverborn)

[buoyant summit]

What mutations fit a snake person...

Imposing Features sounds good for like

A cobra hood?

[nova yew]

NOOOO MEAN I WANTED THE IMPERIAL CITY

[fierce star]

Oh at that point int he campaign they had the city already, we didn't give a shit about hte city

we were not about to let either the yozis or the neverborn's forces get access to the realm defense grid

soooo we kinda blew up most of the central direction.

with geomantic det cord.

mind that was my GM running an 'okay, you want an apocalypse, have all of them' campaign; we ended up taking as many refugees as possible to Yu-Shan and Autochthon andl eft Creation for the dead and the demons until we could figure out a proper counter-attack.

(it was me, it was my group, I am the gonzo bullshit that ex3 pushes back against)

[velvet raft]

There’s a pit viper heat detection mutation in Lunars

[buoyant summit]

that requires enhanced sense and isn't really the kind of snake I'm doing?

She's a constrictor

[velvet raft]

There’s a snake legs mutation

Can’t be knocked prone

[buoyant summit]

I may just have to bite the bullet and make her a fucking naga even tho that will have

many delitirious knock-on effects for her stealth

[bleak hazel]

Immunity to prone is quite nice

[velvet raft]

Poison attack of some kind

[bleak hazel]

Smash attacks are mean

[velvet raft]

I think you could get poison spit

Or a poison bite

[nova yew]

Woah hell yeah

Where are all of these cool mutations

[velvet raft]

And there’s a contortionist mutation

[velvet raft]

Mostly in lunars

[fierce star]

Core and lunars yeah

[nova yew]

…I see

Epic

[velvet raft]

Echolocation

Actually, do we have any sense of what are typical mutations for Lintha? I didn’t see anything in Across the Directions.

[next delta]

My gut says shark related. Maybe they have shark teeth

Probably not worth a merit dot though lol

[fierce star]

Lintha express a wide variety of oceanic mutations

the most common ones you'll see are stuff like natural weapons, fins, and gills htough

[nova yew]

OH GHOSTS GET A WARFORM AT ESSENCE 3 but I have to wait till 5??? I see how it is smh

[fierce star]

probably unnatural hide

your warform is infintie cooler bieng fair karen

[next delta]

Unnatural hide: shark teeth (skin version)

[nova yew]

That’s fair

[fierce star]

flaw: major derangement: sharks are smooth

[velvet raft]

I’m redoing Brave Thunder with unified costs, which are much friendlier to getting a bunch of merits

[buoyant summit]

My ST is considering doing the N/A version of investiture

[velvet raft]

So I’m thinking about Lintha mutations

[buoyant summit]

taking into account my Rogue Sidness

[velvet raft]

The thing is that he’s mostly like … a normal person

That’s his whole deal

He’s a normal person who treats demons and mutants and monsters as normal people

But his ability to fit in with them is more conversational than being obviously kin or whatever

[bleak hazel]

Do bear in mind that Investiture N/A is effectively "the GM gets to puppet you around whenever they like forever, with extra hardlock on your ability to do anything else"

Wouldn't be my first pick at chargen

[velvet raft]

It largely comes down to what you and the ST work out between you

[buoyant summit]

I have kept that in mind

[bleak hazel]

What's your pick for the giant solar level miracle?

[buoyant summit]

Fuckin

idk tbh

[wise ocean]

what does she want that bad

[buoyant summit]

Rankar dead

But that's like

The Goal of the Game

So is not happening

[bleak hazel]

You know I've heard of people selling their eternal soul cheap but never just for the love of the game

I suppose it's suitably Exalted

[buoyant summit]

lol

This is a weird idea

And it would be an extremely petty use of a solar miracle

Would making a single mortal immune to her arcane fate be solar circle or 'No'

I ask cuz what she really wants is for Rankar's supports to come crumbling down around him

Know it was her, the Last Arajana

And be unable to stop it

[bleak hazel]

It's probably within the scope of solar circle

but does this guy know you from Adam?

because if he doesn't you just spin yourself a resplendent destiny of "the arajana" and do all your work with that

[buoyant summit]

Not me... forgetting resplendents can be specific people...

God damn it

XD

Or not like

A specific person but

An archetype more specific than 'the noble'

[bleak hazel]

Well, they're unspecific people when you make them, but they attach a specific persona to themselves as you go, so people who see your Doctor RD introduce itself as Jimmy Notsid will remember the name and attach it to that resplendency

"the revolutionary" is a stock one one of my Sids keeps around for liasing with dissidents and he has to remake it every so often to adjust the vibe for new audiences

[buoyant summit]

I do kind of have a cheap answer to the miracle as well which is 'I also know Devil Prince Sword Style'

XD

[wise ocean]

not really gigasolar miracle-tier, but that's just my opinion

[buoyant summit]

It's also cheap as fuck of me to suggest so I shall not lmao

[velvet raft]

Thought: you could play it as something that is on offer, but which your Sid has not yet been able to figure out a wish for

[buoyant summit]

Perhaps

[velvet raft]

Madoka type of situation

“Turns out what I really wanted was friends” gestures towards circle “and I got them”

[nova yew]

Yippeee

[prisma sun]

@nova yew karen

[nova yew]

Huh what’s up

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-birdman-get-that-thing-i-sent-ya-court-hippo-gif-4953907

[nova yew]

What????

Huh???

[velvet raft]

Voy sent you explosives

[nova yew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843343043398467595/1149823720991498270/tumblr_f59e8e6ea803eda1b386bab93a031e2f_feef2f8b_500.gif

This one’s better

[prisma sun]

https://youtu.be/QJAc79v69CY?si=mbw86UVGAzcFecwZ

Here is a version of the songs

[nova yew]

Oh ok

I shall listen in a bit

[prisma sun]

Im being obtuse due to being at work and also because it is part of my brand

[nova yew]

Love that for u

[fierce star]

y'know, every Sail supernal/primordial/apocalpytic character I've seen or made, or even just sail specialists from other splats, they've always been, like. Pirates or naval admirals or that sort of thing

but it'd be fun to have one who's a fisherman

given the tech level of most of creation fisherman is an absurdly dangerous and potentailly deadly job, even discounting fogsharks and wierder things

(yes I've been playing Dredge lately)

[nova yew]

HAH

[buoyant summit]

Wrackstaff with ranged grappling as a fishing rod

[fierce star]

... oooh man and there's an abyssal backstory brewing here, of a fisherman in the west, where the seas around his home island were being depleted of fish (either by curse or by like, realm overfishing?) so he had to range out further and further to try to help feed his people as they wither away from starvation, one by one; one day he's caught in a storm and washes back ashore, only to find his home empty save for corpses, and he dies of his wounds cursing the seas and the people who stole the food out of his people's mouths...

[lament owl]

OOOOO
I do think fishing would be a fun/inteeresting thing to refrence moree in sail

[buoyant summit]

Okay so the ST and I talked and I'm just doing the standard 5 Sid Employment Dots

But for Hellish resources instead <XD

[velvet raft]

I want to point out that Infernals have a charm that lets them summon sea monsters

[fierce star]

yeah but I just made an infernal sail primordial character and it's too late to adjust her concept from pirate to fishmonger

[velvet raft]

Piratemonger

[next delta]

Exalted Ahab would be an Infernal, right?

[chilly sluice]

Infernal would fit yeah

[buoyant summit]

wiat what the fuck one of the Lintha is a Lunar????

I thought the Lintha were like

Demon

People

?

<XD

[fierce star]

they're demonblooded

I mean, some of them

some of them are just inbred

and Xblooded can exalt as easily as any other mortal human

[buoyant summit]

Do the Lintha have anything to do with the Caul or is it just that the Lintha Lunar is in the Caul due to personal loyaly to Sha'a Oka?

[fierce star]

The Caul's pretty close to Bluehaven as the tides flow

otherwise that's about it

about 11 days by merchant ship if you go straight

much quicker by agata or sorcery in general, obviously

[buoyant summit]

What book is god-blooded in again?

[fierce star]

the merit for it is a sidebar in sids, sec and i'll get you a page ref

page 209

[velvet raft]

It's pretty minimal. Gives you an Eclipse charm and the ability to buy more suitable Eclipse charms.

Five dots

[buoyant summit]

Is there lore for the Society of Serpents in any existing books?

[fierce star]

not to my knowledge

[buoyant summit]

FFFFFFFFffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!

[prisma sun]

Session tonight hopefully

[nova yew]

exciting

hope you enjoy!!!!

[chilly sluice]

reminded again that there's still no archery compatible martial arts

[marsh garden]

bwuh???

[buoyant summit]

Yep

Closest is Wood Dragon letting you use your bow as a stave

[marsh garden]

h o w

bows are a classic

[chilly sluice]

yeah there's no martial arts that work with bows, except for Wood Dragon but that one doesn't work at range

[marsh garden]

both as a bread-and-butter weapon in greek, indian, japanese, and chinese myth, and in fantastical martial arts

including like

[chilly sluice]

and the only other ranged weapon OK MA is Righteous Devil

[prisma sun]

Most likely because its hard to do an entire thing about shooting arrows

[marsh garden]

all of the classical tropey wuxia bullshit

[prisma sun]

Its a really simple system

[marsh garden]

i guess

[chilly sluice]

and then there's mostly MA with throwing compatible weapons

[marsh garden]

but no martial arts about like, making a hail of phantasmal arrows that blanket the sky as a hazard, or channeling sorcerous fire to make them explode a dozen times?

you gotta

[prisma sun]

The problem with that is in core solars can just do that anyway

[marsh garden]

:(

solars...

[lament owl]

I don't think this is true

Like
The obvious one is "Trick Arrow Martial Art"
or you can do like
"Sniper martial art"

Sniper martial art that at higher levels starts doing an arrow version of Wanted

[marsh garden]

hm, what all generic merits are there that aren't in the core book?

there's the 5-dot divine heritage that y'all talked about in sids

is there anything else?

[fierce star]

divine heritage and that's it, AFAIK everything else is splat-specific

[marsh garden]

gotcha

[fierce star]

well

the mutations in lunars aren't

[marsh garden]

yeah but those are mutations

[lament owl]

Hey chat I need a lore person to give me a good Event That a War focused Adamant Artifact would be created

[fierce star]

how old?

[lament owl]

since "event it was created during" is a mandatory part of the opening scrawl

[fierce star]

because 'the contagion' is always acceptable

[lament owl]

Oh?

[fierce star]

Yeah. It was a global catastrophe, after all. Literally everyone across every direction involved, one way or another.

now, there's only two places in creation that can produce Adamant in any quantities, and those are Uluiru, which wouldn't be founded until... on esec...

RY 430, so long after the contagion

so if you want something before then ,it's either first age or Gem

[lament owl]

I could just make it an Uluiru artifact

which would be fun

[fierce star]

as the local sovereign stan I absolutely approve that

most of ULuiru's wars have been against hte Fair Folk

oh, here's a good one

650: Uluiru beset by ghost storms during calibration.

that's all we have on that, but there's a lot you could do there

[lament owl]

ooooo

[fierce star]

what's a ghost storm? Dunno! Dn't think they come up elsewhere

but I'm imagining a city besieged during five days of darkness, without sun, moon or stars to save it, with only the couple dozen or so Sovereigns to hold back the darkness so deep even the dead are fleeing it.

[lament owl]

I am imagining something like what happens to bilgewater in league of legends

[fierce star]

That'd be legit; I quit playing league before they had a lot of fluff so I missed that event, so I only know like, some visuals

[lament owl]

this is some goodd art of it

big hurricane looking thing of lost, hateful spirits

[fierce star]

that is a wonderful aesthetic

[marsh garden]

it's really pretty, in its way

[buoyant summit]

Snake style being compatible with hook swords and Even Blade not being compatible with the same makes me sadge

Cuz as a student of Sibri snake style feels fitting

Though our ST is letting a player use Righteous Devil with the Infernal bolt attack charm...

[chilly sluice]

I feel like hook swords got intentionally excluded, because they already have a bunch of other compatibility

[buoyant summit]

Tru

crane, snake itself, etc

I feel like possibly broaching the idea of letting my character use just Snake with a normal sword is not crazy

[chilly sluice]

it's probably okay, yeah

[buoyant summit]

But that is a question for later, when I have the budget to justify multiple MAs lmao

[prisma sun]

QUICK

WHAT BOOK ARE KRAKENS IN

FOUND IT

[mighty rover]

Kraken-Blooded: What the Water Gave Me yeah

[nova yew]

DHAHAH

[marsh garden]

greataxe style where

[buoyant summit]

God I swear there's an art that uses them

[chilly sluice]

right yeah, greataxes also still have no MA

I would have honestly thought White Reaper would also let you do axes

[marsh garden]

fantasy has a vendetta against axes and most polearms >:(

no greataxe or hammer MA

shockingly, also no non-sidereal kusarigama MA

[lunar magnet]

Axes aren't good for the harvest. : D

[nova yew]

i love halberds

[marsh garden]

no halberd MA either, and also the fucking SLANDER in the crb

poleaxes are so cool

they deserve everything

[tulip folio]

...man now I'm tempted to update the 2e halb martial art

[marsh garden]

oho?

[lament owl]

…. I should make the Direlance I am making a halberd

Dire…halberd?

[marsh garden]

direlance?

[lament owl]

Daiklave is the word for Artifact-Swords
Direlance is the name for Artifact-Two-Handed-Polearms

[tulip folio]

Crimson Pentacle Blade

Polearm style

[marsh garden]

crimson pentacle is a good-ass name

[tulip folio]

It likes allies and teamwork

Hmm...I wonder what the best martial arts multiattack is

[lament owl]

I have come to a conclusion:
I tend to like exigents more when there is at least 3 of them

of the same type

I like Architects and Soverigns a lot actually, but the puppeteer and even Janist don't hit the same

[tulip folio]

Janist suffers a bit from being not just unique but already defined as a person

Makes it hard to slot your own character in

[lament owl]

Yeah but I do think she makes for a compelling example Exigent, and what an Exigent can look like I think I just prefer it when they don't say "I am an Exigent" and they say "I am a Architect"

if that makes any sense

When your in the "Bro Think He's A Real Exalt Subtype" club

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/S3wDZb3.png

[buoyant summit]

lmao wtf

[prisma sun]

Our Exigent just stopped the Drowner of Saints from breaking the ship in half through

Aura

[wise ocean]

aura: reaped

[prisma sun]

She was at Bonfire so I just had her use it to keep him away

[coral wraith]

That probably goes to Black Shards Fall Like Ice, from Obsidian Shards of Infinity

[marsh garden]

is there any way for a non-sidereal to gain access to Mastery benefits of martial arts?

i assume not

er, sorry

enlightenment, i meant

[coral wraith]

Gets apparently can activate Enlightenment benefits if their Essence State aligns with the SMA in question, otherwise no, they're Sid exclusive

[marsh garden]

that makes sense, since gets are nega-sids

but yeah thought so, thank you

[coral wraith]

[tulip folio]

Fair. I'd not been pondering SMA

Basicly pondering how you'd do a thematic, fun version of the Crimson Pentacle Blade capstone

The old capstone: You are such a master of formation fighting you can leverage every advantage. Make several attacks.

Aka: Boring and generic.

My pondering: You are such a master of formation fighting that you and another couple of characters can immediately make a single attack each

Make it more 'D&D 4e Warlord'

[lament owl]

ooo

[coral wraith]

oh that's rad

[tulip folio]

My thoughts is making it like 50% polearm stuff, 50% D&D 4e Warlord stuff.

Like one of my pondering is a decisive damage booster...that allows you to immediately make a rally or rally for numbers with bonus successes = the levels of damage you just did.

So you just shatter an enemy commander like it's dynasty warriors and all your friends go 'YEESSSSS'

[marsh garden]

...okay, so i don't uh

know the system

so this might be dogshit or deranged

[marsh garden]

but what if: "You and any number of allies in close range may each make a single attack. No two characters may make the same kind of attack."

so if you've got like four people and yourself, they can do four different gambits and you can then make a decisive

dunno what the bonuses to em would be

[tulip folio]

But I have many ideas on my plate. I do need to finish off those Greys and Jadeborn NPCs. XD

[prisma sun]

Also

The party pretty easily killed a kraken

[buoyant summit]

This is maybe stereotypical of me but I'm surprised Snake style doesn't work with whips

[tulip folio]

Attack (Heat Ray): 12 dice (Damage 20, minimum 5); Tags: Archery, Bombard, Flame

Doing up that Tripod. Heat Ray is Very Scary but also has the Bombard Tag, which gives it -4 to attack targets that are neither Battlegroups nor Legendary Size. So it's not really that accurate against individual cool exalts trying to destroy it 😛

[lament owl]

OOOOOO
Scary

[marsh garden]

this is why they need an honor guard...

[tulip folio]

I'm intending for it to be scary but also with a bit of a role and that role 'fuck them armies/monsters'. XD

[nova yew]

I love a good tripod

[velvet raft]

I'll make it even more frustrating: in previous editions, Wood Dragon was usable with bows at range

And many of the charms still feel like they are meant for a ranged combatant

[buoyant summit]

I'm putting my Sid's playlist together

[tulip folio]

Panic Harmonics Directive (7m, 1wp; Reflexive, One Scene, Essence 3)
The Ereta'een Harvester makes a reflexive threaten roll against all characters within long range who can hear it, ignoring multiple target penalties and the Resolve bonus for lacking a common language. Affected characters must flee from it, and affected battle groups also suffer a +1 Difficulty on rout checks. 

Trivial opponents and mundane animals normally can’t assert their Resolve against this influence or spend Willpower to resist it, although the Storyteller may allow certain such characters to do so under extraordinary circumstances. This costs one Willpower to resist for a scene, plus an additional five Initiative in combat.

'Hey, better hope you've got good social resistance in this combat'

[marsh garden]

thanks i hate it

[velvet raft]

Yeah, I have no idea why they changed it!

[marsh garden]

god

first fucking thing i'm doing

[tulip folio]

It would actually be a good bow style if you could use it with bows

[marsh garden]

once i've got some experience under my belt

[tulip folio]

Bows fucking love pointing at a guy and going 'I am constantly Aiming at him'

[marsh garden]

is brewing martial arts for neglected weapons

[velvet raft]

You don't even need to change anything! It has a ton of aim-related stuff

[marsh garden]

angy

[velvet raft]

And the whole point is that Archery is a Wood Aspect ability, so the Wood Aspect martial art uses bows!

Like

That was present in all of the elemental styles except Earth

[tulip folio]

Yeah it's frustrating as the charms all go 'i would like this on a bow'

[velvet raft]

Fire? Melee. Style? Two swords.

[prisma sun]

Yknow they do AMAs constantly

[velvet raft]

Air? Thrown. Style? Chakrams.

[coral wraith]

original designers dropped the ball

[velvet raft]

Water? Brawl. Style? Razor claws.

Wood? Archery. Style? uh

hit people with stick?

[limpid badge]

hello everyone im realizing that my infernal is also a character from Chicago
https://youtu.be/Le8a7u1pANU

she was gonna be FAMOUS (it never worked) [he's very dumb sometimes]

[prisma sun]

Del wait

[limpid badge]

yes voy

[prisma sun]

I have a musical number for your infernal

[limpid badge]

oh?

[prisma sun]

https://youtu.be/VXRQV5z9GL8?si=tZ0apuGpdyOiHvj9

[limpid badge]

oh. yes absolutely.

i should watch cabaret again it certainly won't make me dread the current socioeconomic climes

[velvet raft]

I decided to prioritize Summon Bigger Fish over Ichor Flux for my infernal

Since I also have Archery Nonsense

[prisma sun]

I wonder if I can find musical numbers for any of my boys

[lament owl]

:) I am making my first artifact and I feel like its going pretty good

I will post it when I am done
Yay

[tulip folio]

...do abyssals have any charms that let them Vampire Health, healing based on hurting others?

[velvet raft]

Yes

In melee iirc

Possibly resistance?

[tulip folio]

nods
Have to find it. The Alchemical one has wonky wording that doesn't quite work/will hopefully be patched for release.

[velvet raft]

I love that for Infernal Sail, summoning a mutant version of this motherfucker is 4 charms deep

[marsh garden]

nah

not that i saw

[velvet raft]

Maybe it's resistance, then

[lament owl]

I am gonna go check

[marsh garden]

there's Death-Drinking Rapacity in resistance

[velvet raft]

I saw one when I was making Here With The Chains

[marsh garden]

huh

[velvet raft]

And she's mostly melee and resistance

[marsh garden]

ahhh

okay i thought you meant in melee

and then

[tulip folio]

Ah, fantastic. That works.

In proper Tripod fashion, this is the charm i'm working on:

[marsh garden]

it's relatively cheap as things go as well

[limpid badge]

iki you really are gonna shove the martians in every old thing huh <not complaining

[marsh garden]

rapacity -> deathless vigor renewal (corpse-body resilience) and wound-absorbing discipline (corpse-body resilience)

from what i've seen so far, it seems like a pretty strong sustain charm for how inexpensive its asks are

[tulip folio]

Biodynamic Cell Refuel

[marsh garden]

it's not like taking the ox-body is bad, and healing 5 for no motes a minimum once per scene seems quite nice

for only three charms post ox-body

dunno if that compares negatively to other sustain, but it sure doesn't seem like it

[velvet raft]

And all those charms are themselves pretty good

Abyssal Resistance is sick

[tulip folio]

Hey, the Ereta'een were alien greys before I got to them. 😛

[limpid badge]

A gray is not a mars people

[marsh garden]

the armored tree looks real nice with brawl, but i'm going unarmored...

however

the unarmored tree has a lot of hardness stacking

[tulip folio]

Yes but flying saucers posed mechanical issues like 'What if the party are just melee dudes' 😛

[prisma sun]

To be fair

You can get one for 3 dots

[velvet raft]

Yeah, which is very silly because you can also get a dolphin for 3 dots

Oop, wrong reply

[marsh garden]

i have no idea if this is good or not, but uh

[prisma sun]

Its very funny because its Armored Kraken

[tulip folio]

And if it helps, the other two quick characters are much more 'classic grey'. 😛

[nova yew]

Armored Karen…

[marsh garden]

that seems like it could be a good chunk of initiative

[velvet raft]

Yes

It's quite good

[tulip folio]

Honestly, the 'or undamaged' does a lot there.

[marsh garden]

yeah, otherwise it'd be ass

[tulip folio]

If it was just dmaaged ones it would be much more meh

[nova yew]

Oh damn that is good

[marsh garden]

i need another ox-body so i can get 10 dice

[tulip folio]

But this is 'If you ever get a real hit, get a lot of init'

[marsh garden]

or wait i already have 10 dice

[velvet raft]

With 5 stamina, this is 10 dice to start out

[marsh garden]

13 dice

[prisma sun]

@limpid badge did you see the duet version of the funny song I have tied to Waking Smith

[tulip folio]

Also: Being able to do it from crashed is really nice

[velvet raft]

It goes as high as 22

[tulip folio]

As it lets you cancel crashed

[marsh garden]

yeah that seems great

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/Nvq0.gif

[marsh garden]

and it's so fucking early

[nova yew]

Yeah wow that’s just essence 1

[velvet raft]

Abyssaal Resistance is amazing

[nova yew]

My resistance sucks and it isn’t favored but god damn

When I eventually slowly raise it higher I might look into it

[marsh garden]

res 3 e1

needs a stack of body and nothing else

[marsh garden]

i have made A FUCKING LIST

of all the charms i want

[nova yew]

Hehehe

[limpid badge]

No gimme

[nova yew]

Very fair

[marsh garden]

everything purple is an end-goal of its own

[nova yew]

I would also make such a list

But also

I have spells I want

[marsh garden]

god

[nova yew]

Cus I’m a fucking necromancer so

That cuts into my own costs

YEAH

I WANT SPELLS

[marsh garden]

my social/mental stats are dog

[nova yew]

I WANT EVIL NECROMANCER SPELLS

[marsh garden]

so i think i'm gonna just

[prisma sun]

https://youtu.be/QJAc79v69CY?si=6lP7iWq5kzteC3Cm

[marsh garden]

stick with my three control spells

[limpid badge]

i only really have one goal on my abyssals charmlist. need that GLORIOUS CARNAGE TYPHOON.

[prisma sun]

No idea what genshin is about

[marsh garden]

maybe +2

[limpid badge]

twinks i think

[prisma sun]

But this song is just the theme to Waking Smith and his Lunar mate

[tulip folio]

wanders off crying because delilah was mean about my homebrew (Kidding, Kidding)

[marsh garden]

okay speaking seriously my biggest immediate goal is from my apoc (athletics)

[lament owl]

remember you can purchase spells with abyssal xp

[marsh garden]

i fucking want "explode something so hard you make a demesne"

[nova yew]

My plan is to finish up my occult charm list (I want the lower soul extra arms)

And maybe get some fun utility spells like sinister necromantic cirrus skiff and sinister necromantic bronze skin

[lament owl]

(worst named game mechanic)

[nova yew]

And then maybe pick up some brawl charms I guess? Leave myself free mostly

[limpid badge]

iki i just need you to admit that a gray is not a mars people, but is maybe a Tall White

[nova yew]

Yes yea I know

[marsh garden]

you can buy everything with splat xp except splat charms right?

which means it should uh

be the opposite of splat xp

[lament owl]

yeah

[nova yew]

But I’m spending 2 of my abyssal xp on fixing thorns crop problems

Because workings need xp

[velvet raft]

So the whole mechanical deal with Here With The Chains is using Chain-and-Armor Mortification to attack with the chains using Strength via Melee, and potentially grab people and drag them into the murderous Bear Style hug of doom,

[lament owl]

that is true

[nova yew]

Because fucking….game mechanics

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-joddamn-right-jod-joddamn-walter-white-breaking-bad-gif-24853055

Why does he say jod

[limpid badge]

Armies die screaming as the Abyssal falls upon them.

[nova yew]

…jod

[prisma sun]

I wanted to find a big Walter white

[tulip folio]

Oh sure but I'm drawing from a broad 'Alien' Mythology, including Greys and Martians and a lot of Stargate. 😛

[nova yew]

Real

[marsh garden]

When using Blood-Drinking Palm against a Marked character, the hound adds (Leash) to the maximum motes she can drain, and may choose to grant half the drained motes to her Leash-Holder, rounded up.

providing no further context, this fuckass homebrew evocation is the reason i'm like 7 charms deep into brawl

it's so funny

[limpid badge]

my goal with bloody hand is for her to wade into a battle group and explode it so hard that everyone else in the army breaks and flee and @astral turret great khan can charge cataphracts into a busted flank

[marsh garden]

the leash is the highest intimacy of loyalty i have

i need battlegroup stuff...

[limpid badge]

this is called “Support” when you’re an Apoc Melee Dusk

[marsh garden]

lol

i'm constantly going back to the necro chapter

just

fucking staring at corpse-engine of annihilation and kicking my feet

[velvet raft]

Yeeeep

[prisma sun]

I think once the new year ticks over

[marsh garden]

preparing to go

[prisma sun]

I am bringing back the exalted pbp server

[astral turret]

Someday. Someday we will get to a war for my war solar

[marsh garden]

lmao

[limpid badge]

right now we have to do mysteries with the siddie and alchs it’s COOL we are just a pair of wandering unsecured icbms

[astral turret]

Currently Sokhatai Yisun is just literally aurafarming, 5 presence and has spoken 4 lines or so in as many months

[nova yew]

Oh?

[astral turret]

Its very cool

[limpid badge]

she’s perfect, and tbf Bloody Hand is also aura farming

"Ha! Ha, oh indeed, dear priest. The doom of the living is to die~!" The sinner sweeps back with an exaggerated bow, drawing its foot across the line of salt with deliberate grace. It rights itself, then cracks its neck and waves the group off with a hand.

"Shoo, shoo, living-folk. Let we dead-folk have our conversation, in our ways. And this sinner shall have a prize for us to hunt, fret not, fret not."

Love u Bloody Hand

[prisma sun]

I was running a basically mechanicless pbp that mainly centered around the scavenger lands

With the big plot point being around Nexus

[nova yew]

Oh cute

[velvet raft]

It would be fun for Bloody Hand to meet Here With The Chains

It would probably not be fun for either of them

Well, maybe Bloody Hand

[prisma sun]

I think Bloody Hand's sword autism would annoy Waking Smith's sword autism

[limpid badge]

It’s not autism it’s just being Tormented By The Blade

[limpid badge]

I won’t lie to you she mostly wants to Get Big and Strong and make a Charnel House of her ancestral palace

Then she can figure out something else to do with Forever

[velvet raft]

Wasn't she a loyalist Abyssal with Walker In Darkness?

[prisma sun]

WS: "It's just a tool. How are you being tormented by a tool?"

[buoyant summit]

lmao

[velvet raft]

Here With The Chains ran away from Walker In Darkness because she thinks she can do her own, better Death's Chivalry, hopefully while lighting the Neverborn on fire or something.

Because they are unworthy of ruling death

[nova yew]

Come on chains they don’t deserve that

They’re already in eternal agony you don’t gotta do em like that

[prisma sun]

Yes they do

[nova yew]

;-;

Be nice to them

Give them a soft little kiss

[velvet raft]

Here With The Chains: "I will put them out of their misery."

[nova yew]

THEY ARE BEGGING YOU TO

[limpid badge]

Oh Chains is also just going to get Sworded

[nova yew]

GOD IF YOU COULD THEY WOULD WANT THAT SO BAD

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith has no reason to believe the neverborn exist

[limpid badge]

can’t like. people broadcast whispers.

[prisma sun]

Yes

[velvet raft]

She's a Resistance Dusk, in any case

[nova yew]

Yeah it’s hilarious

I should get that charm at some point

[prisma sun]

People can do a lot of things but unless he just gets shown one directly he just thinks youre doing whatever to cause it

[nova yew]

“I shall put you out of your misery”

“PLEASE-”

[velvet raft]

I get the feeling from Voy's description that Waking Smith can rationalize away that problem pretty easily

[prisma sun]

I gave him whispers 3-5 iirc

He just thinks thats him

[nova yew]

Isn’t it 2-4 dots?

4 dots max

[lament owl]

didn't they try to lowtiergod you the last time you spoke?

[nova yew]

Lmao

[nova yew]

I stand by what I said

Fluffy what about me makes you think I won’t put iron chains in a toxic romantic coded relationship with the neverborn

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith is ontologically incapable of faith in anything

Things exist or they dont

You gotta point to it and show him

[nova yew]

Take his ass on a labyrinth tour

[tulip folio]

Hmm...gunna go for a walk and ponder tricks for this QC. Got some ponderings but gunna need to think about them.

[velvet raft]

Lacking in object permanence ...

[nova yew]

Show him da sights

[prisma sun]

Falafel does not give a shit enough to rectify it

[lament owl]

ya know what fair enough, talk your shit

[velvet raft]

Given he dislikes the Neverborn, Falafel not caring tracks

[nova yew]

Wrong gal ❤️

[prisma sun]

2 strikes gk this ball game is mine

[velvet raft]

For FAFL, death's chivalry is a list of ways to keep the shitheads off of his back

[nova yew]

he fucked around and indeed FOUND OUT

[prisma sun]

I almost feel like FAFL a guy who just refuses to believe the Neverborn exist is like

Great

[nova yew]

yeah

[prisma sun]

Theyre now the biggest guy

[nova yew]

they can drink his morning death coffee by pouring it into their like
helmet and talk shit with their deathknight and they can complain about the neverborn and their deathknight just says "You don't have to believe in something if it hurts you" and FAFL is just "god...i fucking wish"

[prisma sun]

They Karen

[nova yew]

and now thinking about it i dont think they have death coffee they have like

[buoyant summit]

What's a funny way to phrase a Rogue Sid's new and uncanny ability to learn martial arts?

[nova yew]

oh shit?

nonbinary????

Thats so pog lemme edit

[limpid badge]

I’m pretty sure falafels gender is Violent Conquest

[prisma sun]

They're a suit of armor so I think the gender just got sanded off them

[nova yew]

death beer

its like beer but dead

[nova yew]

no no theyre still under the armor

they just cant ever take it off and are in constant agony

[tulip folio]

Soulsteel Fridge is a gender

[velvet raft]

They used to be much classier

[nova yew]

its hard to tell sometimes when an exalted character is nonbinary just because of how much gender is in this damn setting

[velvet raft]

Now they're just sad

[lament owl]

Wait a minnute did this motherfucker get springtrapped by the neverborn
Im so sorry im sleep deprived and just saying shit feel free to ignore me

[nova yew]

this whole thing smacks of gender

NO YEAH THEY'RE SPRINGTRAPPED-

BRO GOT ENGLISH WILLY'D

fucked around and found out

[limpid badge]

Yes, explicitly, for spending too much time Conquering Afterlives and not enough Killing Reality

[velvet raft]

Yeah, Falafel never gave a shit about the cause of Oblivion

[nova yew]

was flagrantly (and fragrantly i guess) not doing death's chivalry and eventually the neverborn had a moment of lucidity and were like "hey. what the fuck?" and dragged their ass to the pit

[velvet raft]

They were a charismatic, brilliant, incredibly powerful war leader of the Underworld

[nova yew]

springlocked em

[velvet raft]

They specifically turned their armies entirely inwards on the Underworld to go conquer

The Neverborn had never enforced their oaths before.

And they have not had to since.

[prisma sun]

"The other deathless keep talking about the Neverborn. Meaningless names for meaningless figures. Archetypes and personifications of lost glories. Logical explainations exist for all phenomena, and the world spins on the the most simple answers being the most reliable. And to this day I have been given no definite proof of the existence of Creation's dead forgemasters that could not be explained by magnitudes simpler theories."

[nova yew]

"how do you explain the first and forsaken lion"

"Oh yeah their body just did that"

[limpid badge]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1TqZr498P07mDyNXG8vuRQ?si=cEw_OBhlQI-IbepCPx3AnA&pi=LEyrw0PCThi3h

Remembered bh playlist,,,

[nova yew]

i know im putting words in your mouth here voy but

[limpid badge]

Must rock now

[nova yew]

"their body just did that" amuses me greatly

[prisma sun]

"I never saw them any other way so people are probably just lying."

[nova yew]

lmao

[nova yew]

oh that art is so cute i forgot

[velvet raft]

The Neverborn bound Falafel in their own armor, a coffin of misery and spite

So now, they do the bare minimum

[limpid badge]

Dollmakers are good civ sometimes

[nova yew]

THEY ARE

[limpid badge]

girl is built like a part 7 jojo

do you see my vision

[nova yew]

my favorite part is that it happened so suddenly

as if the neverborn just...woke up for a bit

[marsh garden]

they were agender before they got sauron'd too

[nova yew]

the neverborn arent watching your every step
no

but they could wake up at any moment and take a glance

or well
have a moment of lucidity

[marsh garden]

yeah fafl was dicking around for too long and the neverborn probably had like

a few different moments of lucidity

[nova yew]

yeah

[marsh garden]

three or four snapshots of "hey wait a fucking second"

"this was a trend"

DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE

[nova yew]

maybe they had a couple moments of like "hhrnnnnnn they better get back to it"

and then like

[marsh garden]

it might've just been the one

[nova yew]

eventually they were lucid long enough to notice a trend

[velvet raft]

Honestly, if one could free them from their oaths, they might be persuaded to be the most steadfast of allies against Oblivion

[marsh garden]

but imo considering how much leeway the others get

[nova yew]

id believe that theyre able to understand that some deathlords are more long term

because everyone else has a tone of leeway

[marsh garden]

at least from what i'm seeing

it was probably several

[prisma sun]

Karen

[velvet raft]

Because Falafel doesn't want Oblivion, Falafel wants to Conquer The Underworld

[prisma sun]

Did you play slay the princess

[nova yew]

oh no am i gonna get yelled at

[limpid badge]

the og BH dolly is very cute but less stylish

[nova yew]

oh

yeah

i played it

[prisma sun]

You would

[nova yew]

Wh

WHA

WHAT TEH

[marsh garden]

lma

[nova yew]

YOU CANT JUST SAY THAT TO ME

????

what?

where are you getting this

[nova yew]

voy im gonna kill you

[prisma sun]

Can and did buckaroo bonzai

[nova yew]

you just said that

why

hakjwsdfhkjadshf

what prompted this

[astral turret]

Voy’s old enough his roasts are powered up

[prisma sun]

Part of the game where you get unraveled to the individual atom

[nova yew]

im pulling my shit from the book!

exploding you with my mind powers

[velvet raft]

Some of the Deathlords definitely do not give a shit about Oblivion, even most of them, but none have been willing to up and say "fuck that" in public since Falafel got fucked

[prisma sun]

Karen i just say shit like fluid dynamics do

[nova yew]

in any case i do love that the neverborn's "dreams" are like
also kinda physical

it is a place that you can be recreated from

it was from the neverborn's dreams that the dowager got reborn

and it was their dreams that the first and forsaken lion got dragged into

[velvet raft]

For a given value of "you"

[marsh garden]

the neverborn are so cool...

[limpid badge]

well yeah it’s what’s left of their Shintai

[nova yew]

the soul is provably real so

for that definition of "you"

other ones? take your pick

[velvet raft]

Oh I just meant that the Dowager is not who she once was

[nova yew]

yeah

i mean no yeah

you are correct

[marsh garden]

dowager's been lobotomized

[limpid badge]

The tomb-body and nightmare-realm that serves as the poor foundation of the Underworld

[nova yew]

but like

she sure did get reborn from the dreams of the neverborn!!!!

[velvet raft]

Her old friends basically consider her dead

[prisma sun]

I like how the dowager found a evil hole and almost won the setting off it

[nova yew]

yupsies

[marsh garden]

lmfao

[nova yew]

yeah

[marsh garden]

yeah

[velvet raft]

Walker In Darkness, notably

[marsh garden]

hmmm

i wonder if anything could fix her

[nova yew]

the dowager fucked around too hard with the dual monarchs

[prisma sun]

Fill the hole

[lament owl]

Its also possible that "The Neverborn" as a whole being lucid doesn't really happenn/is exceedingly rare

So when "The Neverborn" as a political entity ignore something one minute and snap at it the next, it might be because it was straight up Tears of Want was more focused on something else when they were lucid but Whose Whispers Chain expects a lot higher standards than the others

and its just impossible to tell from our end because they are all the same amporphous blob of hate and nightmare from our pov

[prisma sun]

Read that as you will

[nova yew]

if anything could, it might be a deathknight

if only because theyre built to do the impossible

[marsh garden]

that is what the game's about

it's true

[prisma sun]

I imagine someone should break the well

[nova yew]

i think as a whole the neverborn are able to comprehend "oh this deathlord is playing it long term"
if only because FAFL was the only instant of a punishment despite the others being known to play it slow

but also some might be more strict than others

[limpid badge]

I’m pretty sure Bloody Hands sword is carved from a rib of the Perfect Principle of Consumption

bees will Just Let Me Find Out Tho

[lament owl]

ooooo

[nova yew]

it might take a while for them to really notice someones being actually disloyal

do we have a list of all the neverborn?

and if so

[lament owl]

not all of them butt we have names for like, 5 or 6

[nova yew]

this guy one of em?

i see i see

[lament owl]

Abhorrence of Life
He Who Holds In Thrall
Perfected Principle of Consumption
Tears of Want
Whose Whispers Chain
are the ones I know

plus He Whom The Fire Forsook probably

[limpid badge]

He Who Holds In Thrall we also know the Primordial version of, Mardukth, the Mountain and the Beast Upon It

[nova yew]

i see i see

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith has these names on a list with a big "FAKE" next to each

[limpid badge]

who used to be King of the Primordials afore Thieon and his sisters took over

[prisma sun]

Anyways guys I gotta go to sleep

Del did you like da song do you see the vision

[nova yew]

inexplicably Abhorrence Of Life is listed as 'real in certain cultures' with zero citations

just that one

[prisma sun]

"Guy showed me"

[nova yew]

yeah

"hard to argue with that one yeah"

putting that down as a maybe

no evidence for the others

[prisma sun]

Hilarious extension of this

Waking Smith doesnt believe he was a solar

[nova yew]

holy shit

[prisma sun]

He is an Abyssal and a Solar is a Solar, how are they the same? Shut up

[bleak hazel]

Rival has done so little so far he's gotten into a whole new campaign, developed a personality and had major adjustments made to his build before he's gotten an onscreen line. Ideal Sidereal activity.

[prisma sun]

No one can tangibly prove the divine revolution either

[velvet raft]

If Here With The Chains were to pursue real political ambitions, they would probably be to to free FAFL and team up to conquer the Underworld

[nova yew]

FAFL is gonna need to show him his fucking monsterance

[prisma sun]

It wouldnt do anything

You cant show him proof of something via its effects

[nova yew]

ahfkjdsahfkjdahsf

[prisma sun]

You can only show him proof with the actual thing

[bleak hazel]

also best non Sidereal MA multiattack is Centipede, for whoever wanted that, since it eventually scales up to be Invincible Fury of the Dawn

[velvet raft]

Why would FAFL show him his monstrance

[nova yew]

"i have a cage with a solar exaltation inside"

[buoyant summit]

He sounds... insufferable

[prisma sun]

He sucks yeah

[velvet raft]

He's currently loyal to FAFL, right?

[nova yew]

to demonstrate the corruption of a solar exaltation

[prisma sun]

Yea

[lament owl]

Someetimes you say "prove it" to the wrong Nephwrack and You Witness a shape that looked like Death spun on its side and unable to ever land and like damn huh thatt sure was an Abhorrence Of Life

[velvet raft]

That sounds ideal for them

[nova yew]

it sounds ideal but also i would eventually get so fed up with this guy if i was his deathlord

dhfkjashfdkjdshf

[limpid badge]

i suppose it might be more accurate to say, mythopoetically, that Mardukth was the Chieftain of the Primordials as Theion and his sisters innovated the ideas of Kingship, Dogma, and Bureacracy

[prisma sun]

Yeah but thats the nephwrack

Thats not the neverborn

[nova yew]

that only proves the abhorrence of life might be real in certain contexts

perhaps it is a specific spell

that people just happpened to anthropromorphize

[prisma sun]

That's just a really complex way of showing me a drawing you made of a guy

And saying hes real

[bleak hazel]

Fairly sure my favourite primordial doesn't exist in Ex3 but it's not gonna stop me making a Ramethus DBA

[limpid badge]

would the works of the Black Nadir Concordant do anything

[prisma sun]

I dont know what those are

[limpid badge]

like the actual thesis?

oh, the Black Nadir Condordant are the Lunars and Solars in the first age who plundered the tomb-bodies of the Neverborn for Necromancy

back in the First Age

[prisma sun]

Yes but only because showing him the tomb bodies would prove it.

But the actual books wouldnt do anything

[lament owl]

I wonder if we are gonna get some good shaping rituals for Lunar Necromancy at some point

[nova yew]

we have gotta send this guy down the veinous stair

take him to the tombs

get down there

[velvet raft]

See Here With The Chains would on the one hand think Waking Smith is completely insane, and on the other would think Waking Smith was extremely useful

[prisma sun]

Hes currently building two forts simultaneously to go on any kind of vision quest

[nova yew]

he's also really funny

IT'S JUST A STAIRCASE

WALK MOTHERFUCKER-dfhkjadshfkads

[prisma sun]

Busy

[nova yew]

TAKE A BREAK DUDE

[prisma sun]

Busy building

[nova yew]

YOU HAVE BEEN BUILDING FOR 26 HOURS MAN

[prisma sun]

I am taking a break from building, thats what the weapon forges are for.