Exalted

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having fun with babygirl jason's specialties

[lament owl]

because all eclipse charms must be bad

[buoyant summit]

Fucking Hell

[marsh garden]

i swear there are some cool ones somewhere when i was looking at them yesterday

[buoyant summit]

See now

They look cool

But are ass

[marsh garden]

rip

so the fuckin uhhhh

[prisma sun]

Wrong

Standenwald

[marsh garden]

5-charm tree to get the Eat Ghosts For Their Eclipse Charms charm

is dogwater?

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/QZFfnaY.png

[lament owl]

so
technically
if your gm randdomly gives the ghosts your fighting good eclipse charms

[buoyant summit]

topple I am being serious asking you to stop for the sake of my lungs

I am dying

[lament owl]

then you can learn them

[buoyant summit]

send help <xD

[buoyant summit]

And also yes it's dogshit

[marsh garden]

well

our campaign is going to be, at least initially, centered in Chiaroscuro

which i've been told is full of fuckass ghosts

[prisma sun]

How weird is it to be a Demonblooded Inferal

[marsh garden]

so maybe there's hope

[prisma sun]

"hi mom, I significantly outrank you now"

[buoyant summit]

Is there a way at chargen to be demon or godblooded?

[prisma sun]

Yeah

[buoyant summit]

...how?

[prisma sun]

Either you can reflect it by a mutation or a merit that lets you buy eclipse charms

in the Sid book

[buoyant summit]

nani the fuck?

[marsh garden]

wait

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Yeah, divine heritage

[marsh garden]

is that a sid merit?

or a general merit

[limpid badge]

i took it for my siddie who was born in heaven

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/WSggtQp.png

[limpid badge]

she can breath underwater that's her eclipse charm (her mom was a neried and her dad was a Heaven's Dragon)

[prisma sun]

It's for anyone

[marsh garden]

oooh

that's neat

[prisma sun]

I have yet to make any of my characters Divine Heritaged

[buoyant summit]

damn that's steep (understandably so)

[lament owl]

I do love that exalted lets you do Narcissus ass ancesteries

Demigod but both of your parents were very distinct types of supernatural entity that just kinda averaged out to make something mostly human

[prisma sun]

Though all of King Hu's children have weird Tiger Powers

[tulip folio]

Subservience Bestowing Deal (6m, 1wp; Simple; Instant; Psyche; Essence 3)
The Ereta'een Mastermind makes a bargain roll using Psionics, instilling a subconscious condition or requirement of the deal into its target's mind. Because the target isn’t consciously aware of this part of the bargain, he cannot call on Intimacies that oppose it to bolster his Resolve or spend Willpower in Decision Points. Similarly, his Resolve isn’t penalized by Intimacies that support it.

The Mastermind subtracts a number of successes based on the severity of the clause. If it’s comparable to an inconvenient task (Exalted, p. 216), it suffers −1 success. If it’s a serious task, it suffers −3 successes. If it’s a life-changing task, it suffers −5 successes.

The target may pay three Willpower to resist, becoming aware of the attempted manipulation and able to call on any applicable Intimacies in response. Resisting renders him immune to this Charm for the rest of the scene. Otherwise, he’s bound to the term — once he becomes aware of it, his mind rationalizes an explanation for how he could have accepted it voluntarily and why he must honor it, despite having no memory of doing so. He must comply with the bargain, no matter how harsh, unless another character overturns the Mastermind's influence.

Once per story.

Making this guy a mean social threat, not just a physical one.

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Now she's the Heavenly Maid of the Drunken Fist!

[lament owl]

ooooo that makes sense

[lament owl]

epic

[prisma sun]

They are, from oldest to youngest:
Rampant Among The Trees
Ce Of The Reeds
Naresuan
Vermillion Spirit 
Linjun-Hu

They are all, technically, Beastfolk, but their mutations range from Naresuan's barely noticeable catlike eyes to Vermilliion Spirit's feline head and tail. Each is Moon-Touched, possessed of a different facet of Lunar power, and each uses them in different ways to lead their men in the Roaring Bandit Clan.

Rampant Among the Trees' age has gifted them the power of a pack leader. They lead lightning raids with startling efficency, uncanny in the location of their men and the enemy's. They are currently serving as "regent" of the clan back in the Satrapy of Jiara, while King and a few of his siblings venture to the Blessed Isles. 
Ce of the Reeds is able to take the form of a tiger, just as his father can. Though his form invokes the primordial form of the Devil Lord Tiger, his is merely the size of a notably large specimen. Still, this ability serves his well as he lives in the wild as easily as one would in their house.
Naresuan, The Beast Prince, is able to command animals just as easily as Rampant commands men. His chosen companion is an elephant known as Thunder-God in the tongue of the jungle folk. He rides into battle fearlessly, charging headlong into Realm Legionaries and mercenaries at the head of a host of beasts.
Vermilliion Spirit is a spirit-talker, able to peer into the other realm to speak the language of gods. She is the most physically bestial of her siblings, but the most serene. 
Linjun-Hu, while the youngest, takes the most after her father. She is boundlessly energetic, and can already toss a man in armor like a paper doll and flip supply wagons like a table.```

[lament owl]

random thing another member of my circle pointed out: I basically do good cop bad cop with my artifact

I give people very polite warnings and proclamations of coming death
and Huskflayer sits there sheathed on my back Staring At People Like Fresh Meat(Don't ask why my scythe has eyes)

[prisma sun]

Having the Demon Blade is always fun

[merry arch]

weapons get to have eyes sometimes. everyone loves it when the soul edge stares at you

[lament owl]

the blade of the scythe may or may not be able to open like a beak if it gets hungry enough

[buoyant summit]

god damn

[prisma sun]

Korit's demon blade is always in his brain like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hsRG7KVZo0

[buoyant summit]

Speaking of artis, trying to figure out what to name my character's starmetal daiklave that's using Gnomon's evocations

[prisma sun]

Akavandra is now Prez

[dense verge]

hold on is there a ghost-blood merit. i feel like that would be in the abyssals book but i couldnt find it if it was

[prisma sun]

Divine Heritage is that

[dense verge]

aha i see

[nova yew]

i drew his demon blade

[dense verge]

thatd do it

[marsh garden]

v excited for my game, it's gonna be such a fucking disaster

[buoyant summit]

Do clocks exist in Exalted?

As in like

[marsh garden]

looking at karen's specialties again made me think of my intimacies

[buoyant summit]

wound clocks, with hands and shit

[nova yew]

MINE???

WHAT

did i post my specialties????

[marsh garden]

er

the babygirl jason?

was that not you

[limpid badge]

nope that was lilah

[buoyant summit]

Delilah

[nova yew]

thats delilah

[marsh garden]

fuck

[buoyant summit]

lolol

[nova yew]

fkjhdaskjfh

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hiiiii

[marsh garden]

i don't pay attention to names

[nova yew]

hahahahahahaha

[lament owl]

I could see it existing

[nova yew]

my abyssal is much much much worse

as a person

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anyway i did her merits

[marsh garden]

i just remembered

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dawn is pretty justified in everything she does its true

[marsh garden]

"Moderator In Chat"

"karen's been typing here a lot so it's probably her"

[nova yew]

HAH
ill take it

[lament owl]

looks at iron chain's recent activities
yeag

[nova yew]

at the very least more justified than whatever the hell chains has going on

[nova yew]

slavery is funny when i do it and only me

(i have been binding ghosts)

(and being mean to them)

[buoyant summit]

Hmm

[nova yew]

(also this was a ghost i murdered a bit a go)

[spring lynx]

uhhh, i'm pretty sure clockwork exists, so by implication probably? fuck knows though

[buoyant summit]

The Minute Hand feels

not as saucy

as Gnomon

Cuz Gnomon has layers

[marsh garden]

anyway i'm still toying with the wording but one of my majors is effectively "Because I only stopped suffering when my thread of fate was broken, fate is evil."

in a party with two sids

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dawn just wants to kill everyone who has ever wronged her and then everything everywhere to settle the grudge of original sin (death of the neverborn)

[buoyant summit]

It's both the shadow cast by a sundial and a mathematical principle

[marsh garden]

i love fucking nightmare blunt rotation party dynamics

[nova yew]

makes sense

[prisma sun]

how does Dawn react to meeting a Dawn

[tulip folio]

Mind Over Manners(2m(+2m per success); Supplemental; Instant; Psyche; Essence 1) The Mastermind can use its Psionics action for a Social Influence roll, ignoring penalties for language. For each additional two motes, it adds an automatic success to the roll, to a maximum of 3 automatic successes.

I am having much fun. Hefty bonus but it adds the psyche keyword, which means there are charms that just Instantly Null the influence.

[marsh garden]

that's a good-ass name

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badly probably her full name is Dawning Horror of an Unrequited Grudge

[nova yew]

do you know about the social charms for getting weirdly obsessed with someone

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yes im considering it

[nova yew]

hell yeah

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but mostly im looking at making her a Very Killy Missile

[tulip folio]

The Mastermind has some 'I will overtly make you do my bidding' but I'm honestly drawing a lot from some stargate guys who basicly went 'oh yeah, we're your best friends humanity. You can trust us, aren't our points so reasonable?' all the way until humanity gave them total control of society.

[marsh garden]

while we're here, i'm still trying to get the hang of abyssal names and i want a dingus for a tie

[nova yew]

OH I REMEMBER THEM

those were the ones with the uhhhhh

the sterilization thing

i forget...

[tulip folio]

The time travel episode where they...yeah!

[marsh garden]

thoughts on The Strangled Cry of Oceans Burned to Ash? too long? too prissy?

[prisma sun]

Abyssal names are just Cool Titles

[nova yew]

there was a fucking time travel plotline there

yeah

that was neat

i liked it

i watched it YEARS AGO

[prisma sun]

I think that's a little too long

[nova yew]

stargate was a fucking family show for me so

my memories are fuzzy but i recall that one

[tulip folio]

it's the sorta 'vibe' I'm going for with the mastermind. Like he's a mind controlling fascist grey but he's pretending to be reasonable about it.

[prisma sun]

"The Last Gasp of the Sea"

[wise ocean]

I'd cut the first two words and then it's snappy enough

[prisma sun]

Generally I think you should go (Adjective-Verb-Noun)

[marsh garden]

the whole "why are you making me hurt you think?"

[wise ocean]

alternatively, the last two words + "the" also works

[feral cipher]

Hell yeah

Grave's Due is fun because he's like
He thinks he deserves more than everybody else because he has an envy complex and a huge chip on his shoulder

[marsh garden]

yeah, it's hard because there're a lot that are like

short and sweet

[feral cipher]

But he also genuinely believes he has worked harder than anybody else to get what he has

[prisma sun]

Mine is Waking Smith of Scrimshawed Bones which is already kinda long tbh

[feral cipher]

To him getting Exalted isn't a blind stroke of luck like it was for all those other fuckers, it is recognition for a life of work for no reward

[prisma sun]

Naruto

[marsh garden]

and then there's the assorted samples in the Benignant Annihilator of Hope and Falsehood and A Weeping Raiton Cast Aside, and so it's hard to fully grasp like

acceptable cadence

[prisma sun]

I mean it's whatever

there's no hard rules

[marsh garden]

because the longer ones go against my instincts

[tulip folio]

I've got Iron Tomb of Dreams, a Feyblooded Abyssal.

[prisma sun]

You just kinda should be able to clearly identify how you shorten it

[lament owl]

I feel like you should go for something as long and flowery as you want as long as it shortens nice

[prisma sun]

in common parlance

yea

[feral cipher]

I know nothing about Naruto so this is a very funny response

[marsh garden]

i have taken a deep inhale

and a deeper exhale

[tulip folio]

Yeah, the most important thing with a Big Exalted Name is 'what dumbass nickname are people going to turn it into'

[marsh garden]

i let the naruto pass over and through me

[tulip folio]

Like how Righteous Restoration of Industry is RiRi

[marsh garden]

and emphatically do not fucking rant about it

[tulip folio]

As nobody is going to keep saying the full name at the table 😛

[marsh garden]

i am at peace and full of acceptance of that fuckass show that's been over for a decade

[merry arch]

love Naruto. love my shonen slop

[nova yew]

Iron Chains break minds has been shortened to Chains or Iron Chains

[lament owl]

Broken Ivory Dirge Reesonance shorteens well to "Ivory" or "broken Ivory"

[nova yew]

i love Ivory

it sounds cute

as a nickname

[marsh garden]

ivory is cute

[nova yew]

ivory is very cute

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A Bloody Hand Holds Aloft A Black Blade of Sorrows and Dawning Horror of an Unrequited Grudge are the two i did for names

[buoyant summit]

Mine is The Final Envoy Adresses All Dressed In Dreaded Ink

[marsh garden]

i really like the first one

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so Bloody Hand and Dawn as their short ones

[nova yew]

he looks like this but i assure you
cute

[lament owl]

Canonically!
it has historically been a asset of his!

[buoyant summit]

And she's just Final Envoy or Envoy

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oh i aslo helped named @merry arch 's The Broken-Hearted Lord of Obelisk Manor

[tulip folio]

I have Blighted Orichalcum and Ivory Mask, who was another Ivory. Ivory is a really good word to put in exalted names as it puts a real name in your big title.

[marsh garden]

mine is just Hope Without Kings, which is short and shortens easily

[nova yew]

hope!

[wise ocean]

everyone loves Grave, whose name is Grave, the Abyssal with the most Abyssal nickname

[merry arch]

my stalker abyssal goes by An Inescapable Shade Seeks Bleak Truths and Hollow Joys and shortens to Joy because ain't nobody saying all that

[nova yew]

you could also call iron chains break minds iron but

iron's weird

[nova yew]

one of our party members is "the grave calls for its due" and we just call him grave or grave's due

[buoyant summit]

This reminds me of the one line I like from new Modern Warfare

[dense verge]

Blood-Drinking Shade of Broken Fangs is the one title-name ive done, but its cheating because i did give her a simple name too

[merry arch]

yes her name fucking ruuuuuules that one was so fucking inspired

[marsh garden]

i had a lizard in another setting entirely named Stone Fangs Drink the Stars

this being a boast, because the stars were the things above gods

[buoyant summit]

"Phil Graves? Llenar tumbas? Me gusta."

[marsh garden]

very hungy creature

[merry arch]

anyways I love this insane freak. girliepop is getting obsessed with so many people and then exploding out of supernatural skinsuits in a rain of blood to horrify and murder her marks 👍

[merry arch]

precisely my thoughts as well

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a wicked prince from a faraway kingdom, with his beloved wife-sword The Beloved Maker of Ghosts

[merry arch]

they're such a beautiful power couple

[marsh garden]

wife-sword...

i can but respect it

[prisma sun]

Did I ever name Waking Smith's smithing dire goremaul

[merry arch]

yes broken-hearted lord is an elric

[nova yew]

do you know about adorei topple

[marsh garden]

i do not

[nova yew]

oh my god

this is the sword that wants to marry you in the book

shes great

my favorite girl

[marsh garden]

nice

[nova yew]

not a ghost possessing a sword or anything

thats just the sword

[marsh garden]

deep and abiding respect for sentient weapons that aren't like

[marsh garden]

champions of justice or blood-hungry defilers, but just Huge Fucking Freaks

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they're a beautiful couple and doing vampire bullshit to make the corpse that acts as the sword's sheath is great wonderful lets go abyssals

[nova yew]

she loves you so much and she feels like she isnt allowed to because shes a sword and you should be with a real girl

and you can prove you love her anyway and bring her back to life

what more could you fuCKING WANT

[coral wraith]

I just have Grinning Mask right now c:

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith's Dire Goremaul is now called "Mother of Redoubts"

[marsh garden]

holy peak

[nova yew]

ITS SO PEAK

I LOVE ADOREI

[wise ocean]

i'm not going to lie, it is pretty peak

going to autocthonia to give adorei a body 💍

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith would do it but it would be a Corpse Bride situation

[nova yew]

that sword deserves a big kiss

[merry arch]

I'm still so proud of the things the Heron used to create his wifesword.
broken-hearted lord really said "if I can't have my wife in life, no one can." and the black heron said "bet. collect me the souls of 12 peerless executioners forged into the finest soulsteel and wrought in the shape of a grand daiklave, the corpse and vengeful ghost of a fallen Lord's bride to lead their bloodthirsty chorus, a casket carved from black jade retrieved from the hadal depths of the great western ocean, and an enchantment crafted from the names of two lovers plucked from the loom of fate and stricken from all of creation."

[nova yew]

oh god right yeah

[dense verge]

bloody hand has a cool sword which is such a scorned and cruel thing that it lacks a (proper) name. theres secrets to this blade

[lament owl]

Adorei has dreams a Daiklave should never have, and like all magic of the first age, she is a thing which should not exist

Is such a banger linene
I will never get over it

[marsh garden]

deeply glad that exalted is (as much as anything else) a game about being a huge sicko weapons pervert

[merry arch]

yes indeed

[prisma sun]

I still don't know if I should keep Korit as having Stormcaller or continue with the evil Demon Battle Royale Swords made by Ligier

[limpid badge]

it is just A Black Blade of Sorrows

[tulip folio]

Gentle Instruction (5m; Reflexive; Instant; Essence 1) The Ereta'een Dominator subtracts successes from an attack against them equal to attacker's wound penalty. If the attacker has an intimacy of fear, devotion or obedience towards the Ereta'een Dominator or a group they are part of, they can instead subtract the value of that intimacy instead of the attacker's wound penalty.

I think this guy might be an asshole.

[dense verge]

and it is what it is :)

[prisma sun]

Each Sword is unique, and are often, confusingly, not actually swords. Diremauls, Lances, Whips, Smashfists, the Swords may take any shape and size, and may indeed simply affix themselves to their owners and become what they must. However every wielder still calls their weapon a Sword, regardless, for each one desires nothing more than to Cut. 

The Swords hunger for each other in a way that defies reasoning. Though not outwardly sapient, each Sword possesses a driving animus and malice. They thirst for their Sword-siblings, and when they clash on the field of battle one will inevitably devour the other. This is not metaphorical. The victorious weapon Cuts the loser into two, then draws them into itself, crunching and biting with grown maws of jade for the act. This begs the question of what happens when all 99 Swords are compiled together. So far, none can tell. Though a phenomena has been noted by the most canny of scholars that all wielders, regardless of creed, station, or race, all give the same answer when pressed.

"Absolution".```

[lament owl]

My scythe acts like a weird animal full of hate and hunger

which I think iss a funny way to do a demon blade

[marsh garden]

you should go with the fucking highlander

it's a moral imperative

[prisma sun]

Note: things that cannot use artifacts are able to use the 99 Swords of the Inverse Sun if the Sword decides it

[marsh garden]

as is right

[prisma sun]

Thusly can you have

https://tenor.com/view/sif-wolf-dark-souls-doggo-okami-gif-23754702

[merry arch]

I gave my shithead azimuth not-stormcaller because he's a fucking broke ass angry loser with aspirations of dominating all of creation. he's only kinda good at a lot of things and Very Good at Sword. buddy has a living manse and a 5 dot artifact and No Money. broke losers get to have a judgement cut for fun

[marsh garden]

lol

[prisma sun]

Other things that are probably in the Battle Royale:

A tree
Definitely a few gods
at least one 2nd circle that went rogue
One kid who has somehow killed 2 other combatants

[marsh garden]

my idiot is effectively "what if ARMS took place in a mechsploitation setting instead"

[prisma sun]

like it doesn't already

[marsh garden]

you need a mutant dog with a knife

[merry arch]

anyways his manse is fuckin storm king demon's souls

[prisma sun]

sick

[marsh garden]

moonless my beloved

[prisma sun]

Do you want moonless to get killed by a demon sword because that's how you get moonless killed by a demon sword

[marsh garden]

no this is how moonless kills and becomes your new pc

you underestimate her power

[prisma sun]

The only problem is making a charmset for the 99 Blades

cuz I fucking hate make charm sets

[merry arch]

he's a second circle demon that fucking hates my azimuth but eventually he'll get celestial circle sorcery and summon his living manse to creation so he can aura farm.

[prisma sun]

becomes homeless once per year

[merry arch]

LMAO

[prisma sun]

Y'know

Demons have the whole thing

of getting a Defining Tie of Loyalty that can't be diminished to their master right

there's nothing saying you can't also give them a defining tie of hatred to their master too right

[tulip folio]

Correct!

[limpid badge]

that man guuci'd down to the socks and still hitting layabout up for money

[buoyant summit]

My group is now establishing that all the Infernals have been part of a Circle whose goal is Gem's destruction

and I have been invited to have my Sid join

[wise ocean]

I don't think I have a single character who knows what money actually... is

[buoyant summit]

So that means

My Sid has been to Hell lmao

[merry arch]

look I think it's ideal if Modesztusz the Thunder-Caller, Demon of the Second Circle, Living Manse hates this asshole's guts for waltzing into hell and Ligier saying yo I bought you off your mom for no money. my new daughter owns you now

[nova yew]

bro are you living on the EVIL ISLAND

[merry arch]

evil flying island

[nova yew]

the evil island is known to fly

[prisma sun]

I need to make a character who embodies this

[marsh garden]

yee-yee ass bitch nerd with no drip, we killed your mom for bus fare and a meat bun. and then we took a portal

[marsh garden]

FUCK

SECONDS LATE

[prisma sun]

I own

your world

[limpid badge]

i do wanna thank u all for the help on layabout's manse bc its fun that she has to spend five days going the circus is coming to summon it to creation

[prisma sun]

Circus music plays in the location non-stop for 5 days

[merry arch]

I think it's also very fun for Ornith to have to occasionally put his conquest on pause because the house that hates him has to go back to Hell for a few days

[limpid badge]

a little bit

[marsh garden]

petition to make this the circus music

or uhhhh

[prisma sun]

I imagine the vibe is more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQt8OD2nRE

(subtitles are available and should be used)

[marsh garden]

fuck what's the name of the one blue archive track that matters?

[prisma sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEg_d2f6myw

[marsh garden]

yeah that

[prisma sun]

I assume this

I looked up "blue archive ost" and picked the first result

[marsh garden]

the game disturbs me so i don't play it and can't remember that song

but that one

[prisma sun]

I only know it from the ABA meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9vAPYOocik

[limpid badge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPUyybTsnRg hello. its this.

[marsh garden]

valid

okay

that is

some fucking bizarre visual design

[prisma sun]

Aba would be a fun abyssal

going back to swordwives

viciously violently jealous over her swordhusband

[marsh garden]

yeah...

aba my beloved

what a fucked up creature

[wise ocean]

by all rights I should make exalted who are a little freakier (formal del actually has sex) with it, I'm pretty sure all of mine are either ace or don't know what sex is

[marsh garden]

no need to have sex to be a huge fucking pervert

[buoyant summit]

Would a Sid who doesn't know she's a Sid in a Circle with a bunch of Infernals having a Manse in Hell make sense?

[marsh garden]

LOL

did one of her fuckin buddies just give it to her?

[buoyant summit]

look these are the questions I must ask myself

I have three Merits and dunno how to spend 'em!

<XD

[marsh garden]

"we felt bad that you were the only one without a house here so we pitched in and our yozi got you one"

[buoyant summit]

l m a o

[feral cipher]

more music for Grave's Due
https://youtu.be/uDqWY3kqB6c?si=MHQlE3BdjS917Zl9

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith and his Lunar mate Did Sex by him building impenetrable fortresses and her raising armies to conquer them

[feral cipher]

these things happen

[tulip folio]

Silly Pondering: If I ever statted up a Notable Fey, I'd give them actually just kinda 'okay' dice pools but give them like:

Practically Perfect: The Raksha Princess gains 2 automatic successes on all actions except those related to humility or staying out of the spotlight. This is increased to 4 automatic successes when opposing a mortal, essence 1 spirit or trivial character.

So they've got a range of 'oh yeah, I Just Succeed At That' actions.

[prisma sun]

They loved each other and it was definitely a pervert thing that everyone signed up for

[limpid badge]

graves only conceptually understands sex as an internal cultivation method

[buoyant summit]

... Huh?

[feral cipher]

my abyssal does Not fuck
he's too busy being on the grindset

[prisma sun]

Few romances of the First Age could claim to be grander than that of Unassailable Cliff and Oasis Among Sands. Their marriage was inscrutable in it's efficiency. Unassailable Cliff one of the greatest architects and Masons among the Exalted Host, and Oasis Among Sands one of it's foremost destructors. For years would he build grand towering spires, glittering redoubts, and bastions that could not exist outside of his care. And with her cunning and strength, she would siege and conquer and them. With soldiers of clockwork and volunteers among gods and spirits, the two danced this dance. Attack, defend, conquer, rebuild. Each new edifece built with the lessons learned from the last. Working towards the goal of Unassailable Cliff's Perfected Fortress, a castle so ingenious and impregnable that even the greatest minds would never conquer it with a thousand thousand years of planning.

[wise ocean]

yeah, pretty much!
he just doesn't Get It because it's not relevant to any of his interests, goals, or pursuits

my deeb is just straight-up ace, my alch replaced his libido with a neutron laser

it's funny because I never actually intended any of this but

it Sure Happened

[prisma sun]

When Waking Smith was a solar he would just keep building castles and cities and his wife's job was to stress test them by destroying them

This Was Definitely A Sex Thing And Everyone Knew It

[feral cipher]

Incredible

[buoyant summit]

what the fuck

[prisma sun]

In Exalted sex is anything if you're a pervert enough about it

[nova yew]

SO TRUE

SO FUCKING TRUE

[tulip folio]

If the fortification be a rockin'...

[marsh garden]

and anon was enlightened...

[nova yew]

sometimes a woman conquers and sieges your fortress

[buoyant summit]

The infinitely funnier question; would she be allowed to keep it should she join the Bureau of Destiny? XD

[prisma sun]

In current day, The Viper Queen of Red Sands is really pissed that her husband has not actually noticed that she's still alive and well and that they're still married

[buoyant summit]

Also someone said my question was very Teddy-coded

Who tf is Teddy

[prisma sun]

because he's now Abyssal and also is locked up in his architectural autism to notice he has a wife

[marsh garden]

LOL

[nova yew]

HAH

[prisma sun]

So now they got a Luffy Hancock thing going on

[marsh garden]

oh my god

[prisma sun]

He also does work for the First and Forsaken Lion and is committing atrocities

which for her isn't a dealbreaker but she's gotta fix him

[buoyant summit]

I ask again, who is Teddy?

[prisma sun]

I don't know

[tulip folio]

The Ebon Dragon
TED -> Teddy

[buoyant summit]

Ah

[prisma sun]

But yes the romance is 1000% built off the vibe of these two songs

note, I don't know anything about Genshin

[tulip folio]

Sorta like how First and Forsaken Lion became Faffles and Falafal.

[buoyant summit]

I dunno how to feel about one of the players in my game saying he'd like my Endings Sid as a broken thing...

[prisma sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW5G7v5PqPc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T--URl-g_4

[tulip folio]

Also: The Mastermind is managing to be even worse at physical combat than the other guy, carried basicly 100% by his weapon being artefact-grade.

Attack (Soulsteel Staff): 6 dice (Damage 11, minimum 4); Tags: Reaching

[buoyant summit]

So, like

What is the Ebon Dragon like?

[prisma sun]

Sucks

[tulip folio]

He's the primal force of opposition. It's his place to be everything you're not.

[buoyant summit]

I mean

He's a Yozi so no shit he sucks

Oohhhhhhh

[prisma sun]

But yeah

[marsh garden]

isn't his whole thing like, being a cartoon villain that fucking hates it?

[prisma sun]

No he loves it

[tulip folio]

Oh no, he loves it

[marsh garden]

like the most over-the-top dumb bullshit

[buoyant summit]

I now understand why he would be interested in an Endings Sid who has no idea what a Sid is

[marsh garden]

i understood it that he's super conflicted

like he loves everything he does

[prisma sun]

He made the Unconquered Sun The Goodest Boy to define himself as the ultimate evil

[marsh garden]

but he hates that what he loves is being a ridiculous fucking bozo

and not Being Effective

[prisma sun]

or at least that was the old lore

[tulip folio]

To be fair: He's also the single most effective yozi by most metrics

[nova yew]

You’re so right abyssals are perfect fixable project energy

[tulip folio]

As the greater the foe, the greater he is.

[prisma sun]

Karen listen to those songs I linked back to back

[nova yew]

Excited to meet my lunar mate and be horrible at them

[nova yew]

No ❤️

(About to sleep)

[prisma sun]

bastard

[nova yew]

HHAHAH

Fuck

That’s funny

[tulip folio]

The thing that Ebby can't stand is self-righteous hypocrisy. He's enamored of genuine heroism.

[nova yew]

Thanks voy love you too

[tulip folio]

But if you act righteous but under the surface are a bastard, he's determined to drag that bastard out for everyone to see

[nova yew]

Makes sense

[prisma sun]

Unfortunately Ebby actively loves Creature

[buoyant summit]

What if you just are a bastard tho?

[tulip folio]

Then you're just good company.

[buoyant summit]

I hate that this is strengthening my desire to give my Sid a manse and say he did it on a lark

I hate it

xD

[marsh garden]

lmfao

[buoyant summit]

It's so cosmically funny tho! <XD

[marsh garden]

it's pretty fantastic

you've really made a character entirely comprised of punchlines

and it's peak

[prisma sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1161699000836165714/1443384752198648032/image0.jpg?ex=69409b4d&is=693f49cd&hm=7ea7812b4b7fa7ae6833382dffb24eb7f2822c49cc3a78001dd774d1ce596339&

This is how the Ebon Dragon treats Creature

[marsh garden]

LOL

[nova yew]

The bone throwing bit?

[prisma sun]

yes

[nova yew]

Cool yeah hell yeah

[prisma sun]

I have summarized Creature's relationship with the Yozis as being them going "Oh fuck we love this dude, put him on stage. We're gonna throw apples at him."

[buoyant summit]

Okay 1. clever, 2. fuck you XD

[prisma sun]

He's so singularly awful, so high on his own supply, that they just keep shaking his jar because he inevitably does some stupid shit that they love

[tulip folio]

Also: Mara is one of the most famous souls of Ebby. So you know...you can guess how fucking toxic that makes him relationship-wise.

[marsh garden]

it's enriching

[buoyant summit]

...

Our sorcerer is a Maran sorcerer

Oh no

[nova yew]

HAH

[buoyant summit]

Oh God I almost have to do it now

[feral cipher]

So true

[tulip folio]

But also notably - Mara shows one of the strengths of Ebby. Ebby is everything others are not...and most other Yozi are incapable of the self-awareness for growth.

Mara is a demon who overcome the limitations you'd assume she'd have and mastered both Celestial Sorcery and invented a martial art

[nova yew]

Oh my god

Wait can demons not go above terrestrial normally?

[tulip folio]

For all his posturing and his grandstanding and his dealing with FOOLISH SAMURAI WARRIORS, never underestimate ebby. He's incredibly capable of growth it if will fuck you over.

[buoyant summit]

I think my Sid is slowly transforming into "Here, have an Honorary Infernal sticker" and I honestly am having fun with it

[prisma sun]

The reason Ebon loves Creature ftr is that Creature has a habit of training individual Solars in the ways of martial arts to just under his level and then brutally murdering everyone they care about so they'll try to kill him and prove his own superiority

[marsh garden]

that game sounds like it's gonna be a blast

[feral cipher]

FOOLISH SOLAR! I LACED YO SHIT!

[buoyant summit]

But are they WIELDING A MAGIC SWORD

[prisma sun]

exaaaaaaaaactly

[nova yew]

Holy shit????

[tulip folio]

The average demon can't do shit sorcery-wise and even powerful demons rarely manage it. Like, it's not forbidden to them but reaching that level of mastery is something most demons just...can't do. As sorcery requires a lot of internal growth and most demons are kinda set in their ways.

[nova yew]

Dude solars have only been fucking around for 5 years how many have you done this to

[tulip folio]

Demons can learn sorcery and they can learn martial arts...but both require pushing beyond what comes naturally to them.

[prisma sun]

It only takes like one training montage

[nova yew]

That’s fair it’s just that the book mentioned that there are demonic sorcerers that get pretty high up so I assumed demons and sorcery mixed well

[nova yew]

Lmao

[buoyant summit]

Haven't Infernals been fucking around for the same length of time as Solars?

[nova yew]

Yeah

[tulip folio]

The average Blood Ape who is 3 minutes old can rip a guy in half and piledriver a dragonblooded through the floor. If you ask that blood ape to do something that doesn't come naturally to him...that's going to take him a lot of hard work, like a mortal learning a whole new skill.

[nova yew]

Which is what makes this so impressive

[prisma sun]

Yes

But Creature has the special power of being a straight antagonist and thus getting more XP for being a cockhead

He's powerleveling through the Yozis constantly trying to kill him for fun

[marsh garden]

my circlemate told me Creature keeps killing her Solars so i asked how many Solars she has and she said she just goes to the orphanage and gets a new Solar afterwards so i said it sounds like she's just feeding Solars to Creature and then the Unconquered Sun started crying

[prisma sun]

LMAO

[tulip folio]

To be fair: Most mortals and exalts are also not really capable of that sorta internal introspection needed to manage sorcery either 😛

[nova yew]

Hahahhaha

[nova yew]

True!

[marsh garden]

bro is smoking the fucking heihachi villain pack

[buoyant summit]

The Heptagram is notable for training an entire student body of, what, 35?

[nova yew]

Oh damn

That is impressive

[buoyant summit]

Out of the probably 13,000 ish Deebs who have even a sliver of a chance of going there

Now

Some of those Deebs are those already trained by the Heptagram

But that's not a lot of fucking people

That is probably at absolute max 500 Heptagram-trained Deebs in all of Creation

[tulip folio]

On the plus side: The Heptagram is more trans inclusive and kills less students than comparable british wizard schools.

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/tekken3-tekken-tekken-cutscene-tekken-cope-cope-gif-23885311

[buoyant summit]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[tulip folio]

On the topic of demons and sorcery - there's an area where demons are notably incapable when it comes to sorcery.

Demons can't summon demons

[nova yew]

Yeah I figured

[prisma sun]

Aren't Blood Apes the soft exception

or is that not canon as of E3

[tulip folio]

They do so with non-sorcery methods.

That's more Part of Being A Blood Ape

The Surrender Oaths do not allow that loophole for getting demons into creation, though there are some other methods like the aforementioned blood ape thing.

[prisma sun]

Also I am summarizing all of my character's sources of training:

King Hu: Survival in the jungle, wrestling giant animals, and also the Monkey King
Korit: Trained at the House of Bells, ruthlessly tutored under Berit's instruction, and is actively fighting in the Legions
Drifts: Sifu! Sifu hi! Hi Sifu! Sifu! Sifu! Hi! Hello! Sifu! Hi! (Read Sifu as Anys Syn)
Waking Smith: Has not actually trained in martial arts once, he is just hitting people with a hammer to make them go away. The First and Forsaken Lion is exhaustedly trying to get him to train.
The Supreme Creature of All Creation: built different

[lament owl]

Ok what is the blood ape thing I have to know

[prisma sun]

Blood Apes can be tortured so that their screams produce more Blood Apes

[lament owl]

That seems ammoral

[prisma sun]

It's a demon

so it's ethically neutral

[lament owl]

I’m not sure that’s true

[prisma sun]

trust

[marsh garden]

legally it's ethically neutral

[tulip folio]

...I mean, demons in exalted are still people. I'd go with 'nope, still evil'. But wizards do evil things all the time.

[prisma sun]

Much like all Chimpanzees, Blood Apes are shunned by God and thus are P Zombies

[marsh garden]

this means nothing for the actual ethics, but hey

no one (including other demons) is going to complain

[lament owl]

Are blood apes from anyone specific

[prisma sun]

I also think the Blood Ape would actively suggest doing it usually since it's how they reproduce

[lament owl]

Or does it get messy once you go far enough down the pole

[tulip folio]

...okay, Voy, I'm going to need to put my mod hat on for a moment and go 'Hey, can we not joke about how it's morally okay to torture people'?

[prisma sun]

Aight

[prisma sun]

Yeah after a point everyone makes sorta the same things

I think Blood Apes are yozi-neutral

like the spiders

https://i.imgur.com/joP7fQr.png

[tulip folio]

MOEP: Infernals said they're from Malfeas (Yozi, not place) but once you're down that far it's very diluted.

[buoyant summit]

wait

[tulip folio]

My personal read is that basicly any second circle that decends from Malfeas can make them.

[buoyant summit]

'unusually eclectic or catholic'?

fuck does that mean?

it's not uppercase Catholic

is lowercase catholic a word?

[marsh garden]

yeah

[prisma sun]

yea

[marsh garden]

as a lowercase adjective, catholic just means "broad"

[prisma sun]

means "all-encompasing"

[buoyant summit]

ahhhhh

Man that is

a trip

[marsh garden]

just means their tastes aren't discriminate

[prisma sun]

All Apes Are Catholic

[buoyant summit]

That is a fucking purple way of phrasing that

[marsh garden]

it's peak

[tulip folio]

The name link comes from the fact that well...Christianity wasn't limited to any one people and expressly rejected that idea.

Hence all-encompassing/broad

[merry arch]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-purple-what-if-it-was-karlrove-pencil-gif-13697978

[tulip folio]

In religion it's basicly saying 'this is a faith for everyone'.

Though man you rarely see it used as a general term

[marsh garden]

it's a good word

hard word to use because of the uh

everything

but hey

i respect whoever realized they could shoot that shot

[prisma sun]

What if you summon a Blood Ape and it appears with a pope hat that it solemnly takes off and refuses to elaborate on

[marsh garden]

also ough the new discord update keeps fucking with me

the font size decrease

for threads

[nova yew]

So true

[marsh garden]

the Immaculate blood ape...

[tulip folio]

Blood Apes are called that because they have taken the Eucharist, eating the body and drinking the blood of the savior of mankind.

😛

[prisma sun]

I did at one point want to write a story about King Hu getting attacked by a batallion of Blood Apes

who look at the giant Cat Man and see him wavey transition into a big turkey leg

[nova yew]

Inexplicably the one Christian group in exalted

[buoyant summit]

Are

Are we the Blood Apes?

[marsh garden]

all blood ape party when

[tulip folio]

Jesus: "Do you apes want to live forever? Because, through me, you can have eternal life."

[marsh garden]

time for blood ape exigents

[bleak hazel]

Not all heptagram students are sorcerors or even occultists, and many are mortals

[buoyant summit]

True

Which only strengthens the point I was trying to strengthen xD

[bleak hazel]

All three of the big deeb academies have mortals attending, pretty much the one exception is the Outcaste to Legionnaire dragon bootcamp

so there will be rather more students at the heptagram than that

[buoyant summit]

fair nuff

Also

Funniest Sidereal Tie

"He gave me a house."

"I dunno how to take that."

[bleak hazel]

I would expect you to have that relationship with one of Ebbys demons, at E1

[marsh garden]

not if she's in a circle with three infernals, yeah?

[bleak hazel]

Yozis don't really chat to people without a lot of difficulty and usually some psychic damage

even then

[buoyant summit]

idk how it would work so fair enough, but the game I'm in we all had an idea that my Sid is in a Circle with the three Infernals

Who've all hung out long enough that she like, has been to Hell

[marsh garden]

like the conversation might not be with ted, but it'd be on his behalf right?

[buoyant summit]

For extended periods

[bleak hazel]

The Yozis are less characters than they are entire videogame levels filled with them

[marsh garden]

ic ic, i thought they were both

[buoyant summit]

Fair enough

[coral wraith]

is an E1 Infernal even speaking to the Yozis directly

[buoyant summit]

One of us definitely is

[bleak hazel]

I believe the infernals manuscript has ways to talk to certain yozi but other than Adorjan it's not exactly spontaneous

[buoyant summit]

She has Mara as a mentor and is a Maran initiation sorceress

[coral wraith]

right

[bleak hazel]

Sure, but Mara is a 2CD

[buoyant summit]

OOOOOOOOHHH I THOUGHT SHE WAS A YOZI

I am bobo the fool

[marsh garden]

:D

[prisma sun]

So here's how it works

[coral wraith]

yeah Mara is "just" a second circle demon

[marsh garden]

she's a step removed, right?

[bleak hazel]

Mara is a soul of a soul of the ebon dragon

[marsh garden]

one of The Ebon Dragon's primary soul parts?

[buoyant summit]

Who's a funny second circle that would give a Sid a house XD

[marsh garden]

oh

[prisma sun]

Yozis are gigantic place-things, sentient god-locales that Do Shit At Random

[marsh garden]

she's two steps removed, ic

[bleak hazel]

(and really very accomplished for a second circle, she gets a lot done)

[prisma sun]

They then have 3rd Circles, who are on-par or generally superior to Directional Gods

then they have 2nd Circles who are "really cool dudes"

and then they have 1st who are Mooks

[bleak hazel]

Without wanting to make a crass 40k analogy because Malfeas isn't the warp, getting the personal attention of a yozi is like getting the personal attention of a chaos god, it's not impossible but it's a Big Fucking Deal and usually not on a human scale

unless it's Adorjan she's just kind of like that

but you don't really want her attention most of the time

[coral wraith]

3CDs are usually the intemediaries you'd chat to, as far as I understand it

[bleak hazel]

and it won't last long

[coral wraith]

and they're still really big deals

the one 3CD statted right now is capable of flattening armies because she feels like it

[buoyant summit]

Who is an aspect of the Ted who would see a rogue Endings Sid in Hell in a Circle of Infernals and go 'you're funny, here's a house'?

[prisma sun]

The one 3CD we have now is Infinite Snakes

[bleak hazel]

Sibri might be so inclined

[coral wraith]

Ligier is getting stats soon and I assume he will be The End Game Boss Of End Game Bosses

[bleak hazel]

aforementioned wall of poison snakes

and yes, 3CDs range from "peer to E5 Celestial" to "ha ha ha ha ha die"

[buoyant summit]

What is Sibri's deal beyond being a wall of snakes

[bleak hazel]

She's in Hundred Devils Night Parade if you want her write-up

[buoyant summit]

I don't have HDNP

[bleak hazel]

I think 3e is trying to make yozis more talkable to, I admit personally I dislike this and you should be talking to major 3cds instead

[prisma sun]

It doesnt sound like they are like

Chatting

So much as you are entreating and interpreting their response

[tulip folio]

Psychotronic Mirror (8m, 1wp; Reflexive; Instant; Mute; Essence 2)
The Ereta’een Mastermind gains a +2 bonus to Guile. If this causes a read intentions roll against it to fail, the opposing character believes he succeeded — but instead of the truth, he discovers that the Mastermind is trustworthy and genuine. 

This discovery is reinforced with psionic power as a psyche effect, causing the opposing character to gain a minor intimacy towards the Mastermind related to trust, unless the opposing character pays 1 willpower.

The Mastermind continues to Be A Bastard.

[marsh garden]

hm

assuming you have no unarmored chicanery charms, there's no reason not to wear light armor, yeah?

other than like

local laws

and dress codes

[tulip folio]

Yeah, generally

Though to be fair 'cool coat' is in the light armour list

[bleak hazel]

Also re:3cds I expect it will just about be possible to make an E5 Celestial who can duel Ligier but I also expect it'll be one of those highly stilted tech demo builds unless it has like 450 core XP

[buoyant summit]

Okay yeah I think this Sid being helped by Sibri fits

[bleak hazel]

You must be a very particular kind of battle freak

and yeah Sibri works here and conveniently has stats

[prisma sun]

Creature is the Azimuth who wants to kill him more than anything on this earth

[marsh garden]

as is a concealable chain shirt!

but like

clink clank

[bleak hazel]

I believe we determined that it's theoretically optimal for a Linguistics sid to marry sibri for health level benefits at one point because she's as tanky as they come and Lover's Oath is a hell of a charm

but I think an Infernal might be a better pick now

I suppose "I'm using the entire battery of my Exalted soulmate who is at home on the couch" is kind of cheating in a 1v1 duel but hey, totally in mythic theme

[buoyant summit]

all light armor gives no movement penalty, which is the penalty that would make armor detract from Stealth

[marsh garden]

oh okay jesus artifact armor has so many more stats lol

[buoyant summit]

lmao

[marsh garden]

0 hardness to 10...

[coral wraith]

yes

[marsh garden]

whymst does mundane heavy have 0 and not like 1-2

[coral wraith]

hardness is explicitly mystical

[marsh garden]

ahh

[bleak hazel]

There was some sentiment early in the edition that hardness should be a magic thing

They then totally fucked that up because random hippos have tons of it

but it does generally apply where PCs are concerned

[marsh garden]

lmfao

look

i played shadow of the erdtree

[coral wraith]

lmfao

[marsh garden]

hippos are pretty fucking magical

they got that right

[bleak hazel]

Oh yeah, re earlier convo on eclipse charms I was asleep for, there are some good ones

[tulip folio]

Two of the best ones come from the same godblooded guy, entertainingly.

[marsh garden]

oho?

[bleak hazel]

Pattern Venom is expensive but mean, and the two Dracula ghosts in Adversaries have a nice efficient defence plus a flight charm that is highly XP efficient compared to going 7 deep in Athletics if you're a nerd

[tulip folio]

Sorry, three of the best ones.

[marsh garden]

jesus

[bleak hazel]

Whirling Hair Defence is crimson's concession to practicality

[marsh garden]

does that hardness stack?

or is that not phrased in a way that would let it?

[bleak hazel]

Hardness does not stack unless explicitly mentioned

[marsh garden]

[marsh garden]

...does wounded bull stack with similar effects?

[tulip folio]

That said: Up to +5 soak for 4 motes for a full turn is a good ratio and if you're naked, some hardness is good.

[marsh garden]

or is there a general "similar effects don't stack" clause?

[tulip folio]

You can't apply the same thing twice. As the effect is 'Wound penalty adds instead of subtracting'

[marsh garden]

gotcha

[prisma sun]

I stilk think Stanewald is the most efficient mom you can have

[tulip folio]

Rebuke The Liar is also just a beefy social defence.

[prisma sun]

Optimal mom

[marsh garden]

too bad i'm dusk caste and he's not a ghost

well

[tulip folio]

Yet

[marsh garden]

i could murder him twice

[buoyant summit]

Honestly

[marsh garden]

oh wait

[buoyant summit]

I'm tempted to ask the ST if, though my character is a rogue Sid

If I can use the extra merits from the Bureau Sid chargen

But for like

[marsh garden]

godblooded characters don't count as spirits, right?

[buoyant summit]

Hell taking pity on her? <XD

[marsh garden]

it's the bluud

and not a god themselves

right?

[bleak hazel]

Conveniently Crimson gets his eclipse charms the eclipse way, and the Draculas are logical customers of his

[prisma sun]

Misc

Is your sid bronze or gold

[buoyant summit]

Man wtf faction would my Sid be

[tulip folio]

Ereta'een Mastermind
Taller than their lesser kin, gauntly lean and with distended heads, Ereta'een Masterminds prefer that others call them different terms. Teachers. Diplomats. Instructors. Heirs to the cunning that sought to ensnare a primordial, they understand the reasons they failed. They had depended on technology with which to bind a god of gods and break it to their will. They must have tools beyond machinery to match the primal force of invention.

In the long dark outside creation, they have turned inwards and cultivated the power of their mind. Their mental self grows even as their physical self wastes away, granting them unnatural powers to twist the minds and souls of others. With this power, they approach outlying villages on the edges of creation offering aid. It starts small, perhaps an opening of trade, then a home to call their own. Before long, loving fathers hand their children over for experimentation and proud warriors smile as they talk about how it is simply easier to allow the Ereta'een to decide for them.

The term they most wish to be called is Master.

How's this read?

[buoyant summit]

I don't think she can be a Bronze xD

[prisma sun]

Well if shes actively working for hell with no knowledge of Heaven shes either a victim or a traitor

[bleak hazel]

Vigil is a very grumpy gold, rival is [unspecified] but probably would be gold if he had time for faction politics rather than being micromanaged by his dad

He'll get there

This is mostly an artifact of me playing almost exclusively in mixed circles

I should make my third Sid a devoted bronze

[buoyant summit]

is being a traitor Sid in the long run at all viable or am I going to get Agent Smithed xD

[prisma sun]

I mean you arent a disposable agent

You are someone's friend and colleague

Being drafted by hell to commit atrocities

If you were a traitor everyone whos anyone would be pissed

[bleak hazel]

It is possible to hang out in hell without being an anti-heaven rogue agent rakan style but it's definitely an option

[marsh garden]

gut instinct i'd use "name" instead of "term"

[buoyant summit]

She's not necessarily anti-Heaven

[marsh garden]

"...Masterminds prefer that others call them by different names."

[buoyant summit]

Hell just helped her first

[marsh garden]

and then "The name they most wish to hear is Master."

but i could be off-base

other than that i like it a lot

[bleak hazel]

Sids have a hard "ape shall never kill ape" rule so if they do try to bring you in it would be peacefully

[marsh garden]

slimeball motherfuckers

[buoyant summit]

And she's kind of bonded to her Circle

[prisma sun]

Funnily enough I enjoyed justifying Drifts as a light Bronze

[buoyant summit]

is there a Convention on Hell?

[bleak hazel]

Yes

[prisma sun]

Yes

[bleak hazel]

It's headed by Gojo

[prisma sun]

Its run by Gojo

Jinx

[buoyant summit]

Whomst is that

[tulip folio]

Makes sense, cool!

[prisma sun]

From JJK

https://tenor.com/view/anime-jujutsu-kaisen-gojo-satoru-gif-11266806221853937193

His actual name is Ashen Eyed Leddal

[tulip folio]

Oh, 100% I felt like with the Dragon Kings and Jadeborn we have plenty of 'These guys are noble but unfairly suffered' precursors and wanted some real assholes

[marsh garden]

lmfao

[prisma sun]

But its clear he is just meant to be a Gojo expy

[marsh garden]

from what little i know, i agree

and it goes hard

[buoyant summit]

I know jack shit about JJK

[bleak hazel]

Ashen-Eyed Ludall is an E5 nearly-elder battles who is cocky, charming, a tad overconfident but mostly because he's Him

Master of white reaper, golden janissary and probably some other stuff

also very young for his post and power level

[tulip folio]

I plan to do up a Legendary Size thing for them and my plan is legitimately 'fuck it, give them either a tripod or a flying saucer' because they're living Alien Invasion references.

[coral wraith]

(he's a PC, in other words)

[buoyant summit]

Is membership in the Convention a possibility for my character or would she be seen as, for lack of better terms, 'Too close to the issue'

[prisma sun]

Ledall is literally the ambassador to hell

The thing is that youd have to justify why youre blowing up Gem

[coral wraith]

sids do deep cover black ops all the time

[marsh garden]

i have a number of complaints with JJK, but satoru gojo (mostly) isn't one of them

[prisma sun]

The Green Lady is like 5 layers deep on double agenting

[marsh garden]

imo he's a really, really well-leveraged use of the "untouchable king high motherfucker" trope

[prisma sun]

My favorite factoid about Gojo is that he has basically a 1-1 WL ratio

[marsh garden]

JJK really dicks around with how the consequences of him being fucking ridiculously broken by the setting's standards impacts politics

[coral wraith]

the Green Lady, one of the most prominent Secrets Sids, is as Voy said, so neck deep in Underworld infiltration she's not attending the Convention of the Dead half the time

[buoyant summit]

And she will have collaborated with bringing a portion of Hell into Creation via Dune-Drowned Oasis Ritual

I don't know how forgiving the Bureau would be of that <XD

[buoyant summit]

Hers is 'Rankar butchered my family, fuck you'

[marsh garden]

imo tripods are cooler, if not necessarily more iconic

[prisma sun]

"That doesnt justify genocide kiddo."

[marsh garden]

but the important part to me is that they are iconic, and they're much more iconic as a war machine than a saucer would be

[buoyant summit]

I hate to say it I don't know that she cares that much <XD

I am basically asking whether, if I go down this path, she is going to end up on the shit list and probably die by Sid hands

[marsh garden]

saucers are the abduction tool in pop culture, so they're less like

[buoyant summit]

I am fine with the answer being yes

[marsh garden]

a legendary siege engine and more I Would Like To Order One An Boat Please

[tulip folio]

Yeah, I lean tripod also for the important reason of like 'They don't play keepaway in mid-air, the stabby guy can in fact stab them'

[buoyant summit]

The answer being yes is its own fun lmao

[tulip folio]

As I think for most PCs fighting a saucer wouldn't be fun

If that makes sense?

[marsh garden]

whereas tripods are a grounded threat that can be toppled, a massive looming threat that can be cracked or blasted from the air, a titan that towers over walls to annihilate the defenders cowering on top or behind

[coral wraith]

I feel Tripods are more iconic than Saucers once you get past general culture and into more nerdy subcultures, i guess

[marsh garden]

an unearthly, gangly thing that churns earth and tramples homes and scorches fields with lasers and scything claws

there's a lot more that they fundamentally have to do by virtue of their visual design and size

[coral wraith]

So many things have riffed on the three legged war walker concept at this point

[tulip folio]

...I'm totally making the Tripod do bonus anti-battlegroup damage because the heat rays sweep

[marsh garden]

a saucer floats and is shot at, a tripod walks and kills by walking, makes pants-shitting eye contact with the people on top of the hundred-foot-high walls

[prisma sun]

But yeah Drifts is more a Bronze if only because he thinks the world needs to be saved and preserved because its too beautiful to see things change naturally to force them to do wo

[marsh garden]

can have its legs broken, but can also clamber across mountains

[prisma sun]

And because he has not personally seen all of Creation yet

So hed really like to not get rid of it

[bleak hazel]

depends how many big important plans are wrecked by that route, but it's rather unlikely unless the answer is "a fucking lot"

[marsh garden]

it interacts with environments in cool ways and like you said, can be melee'd

[bleak hazel]

aforementioned Sids do not kill Sids rule is very strong

[marsh garden]

it's peak

[bleak hazel]

it has been broken, as far as we know, twice

[marsh garden]

the protoss colossus goes crazy hard

[coral wraith]

[marsh garden]

and is a great tripod-variant to emulate

[bleak hazel]

once by Ahn-Aru, which is a giant scandal that shamed and emotionally destroyed everyone involved, and once because Rakan has a deathmark on his head

[marsh garden]

with its searing, sweeping ground beams

[buoyant summit]

are there many plans that rely on Gem not going boom?

[bleak hazel]

probably not because it is so incredibly likely to go boom

[buoyant summit]

lmao

[bleak hazel]

ask your auspicious prospects if blowing up Gem is right for you

[tulip folio]

Also: dear god infernals body these guys so hard because Green Sun Wasting is a disease. So you know...working as planned.

[buoyant summit]

I assume many more plans will be fucked up by

aiding Infernals in making an infernalist empire in what was the territory of Gem

[bleak hazel]

eh you'd be surprised by how much Creation ebbs and flows at the edges

[buoyant summit]

God

So all this shit could just be chalked up to 'She's being a (by Sid lifetime standards) stupid teen, let her get it out of her system.'

By the Bureau

[bleak hazel]

cannot stress enough that the bureau is Fucking Busy right now and launching hitsquads at other sidereals is low on the prio list unless they're That Fucking Guy

and yes, that is the usual way sabbaticals work

[buoyant summit]

pffff

[bleak hazel]

they will probably send a guy or gal to explain how heaven works and offer you a job

standing offer, by the way

but you know, you have to go a long long way before that offer is withdrawn

[buoyant summit]

'Hey you can join the Convention on Hell and have this shit ur doing be like'

'nominally sanctioned, maybe'

[bleak hazel]

remember this is an institution founded by divine revolutionaries and headed by a bunch of Usurpers

[buoyant summit]

fair lmao

[bleak hazel]

the leadership of heaven, like the leadership of the realm, the silver pact, hell and everywhere else that matters, are up to their elbows in blood for both good and bad reasons

"kind of fucked up the governance of a city once" is like, not the worst thing Sids have let slide

[buoyant summit]

oh no the city is going bye bye

[bleak hazel]

my first sid couped a minor satrapy on sabbatical because it would make it way easier to keep an eye on the Lunar circle he linked up with in the process and the place was stacked up with so many conflicting exalt factions and fae that nobody could plan destiny around it anyway

[buoyant summit]

like Rome salting the earth of Carthage bye bye

[bleak hazel]

so he just installed those 4 lunars, went "remember you owe heaven a solid, kthanxbye" and hoped they'd keep it stable

[buoyant summit]

Also thats fucking amazing

[prisma sun]

Drifts keeps pushing people off cliffs

This is still canon

That his main model of assassination is just dropping people from high places

[tulip folio]

The nice thing about fate is it's mostly 'Whatever the Sids think it should be', with a few exceptions.

[bleak hazel]

but in general yes, "would you like an office job, a fat salary, coworkers who can remember you and a post liasing with hell since you're clearly in a good spot for it" is probably the offer

with added "please let us debrief you about these green glowy dudes"

[buoyant summit]

Amazing

lol

[bleak hazel]

Ludall might come and give you the offer in person, in fact

[marsh garden]

apologies, more questions

what specifically is a Shaping Effect?

[prisma sun]

Turn you into stuff

[bleak hazel]

game mechanic category for any kind of transfiguring magic

[marsh garden]

so just physical transformations?

[bleak hazel]

not an in-universe thing

[tulip folio]

Reality Warping Shit. it's going 'Fuck your laws of physics, I say how this works'

[bleak hazel]

can be mental too

[marsh garden]

gotcha

[tulip folio]

There are even fate shaping effects

[bleak hazel]

Shun the Smiling Lady is Shaping (Fate), for example

[marsh garden]

is Shaping always tagged in whatever effect's using it?

[tulip folio]

Outside of 'corebook is corebook', yes

[bleak hazel]

yes, the whole point is that it's a tag that you can use to trigger various defences

[tulip folio]

It's a very reliably used keyword

[bleak hazel]

lots of stuff that would otherwise be bullshit has shaping attached so you can hit the no bullshit defence

[marsh garden]

i'm sorry i was trying to read it in the crb and it was fucked

so that point was not clear

[bleak hazel]

oh yeah, introduced after corebook

[tulip folio]

Oh, the CRB is shit

[bleak hazel]

solars are fucked in that department

every other splat has it sorted

[tulip folio]

Solars get screwed by fae because their anti-shaping defence can't use the word 'shaping'

[bleak hazel]

which

lmao

[tulip folio]

And basicly doesn't work

[bleak hazel]

extremely funny given wyld-shaping technique exists

"let me just fight these three behemoths... ah I appear to have become a tree"

[marsh garden]

bwuh

[tulip folio]

Oh, you forgot the comma. It's 'Wyld, Shaping Technique' 😛

[bleak hazel]

just give them the Abyssal shaping defences, they're basically the solar ones written properly

[marsh garden]

so is this one worth picking up as they go, or is there a better Abyssal option?

[bleak hazel]

that's the abyssal one, yeah

easy grab if you want one

[tulip folio]

That's it. It's pretty good/easy access.

[bleak hazel]

might need to artifact up a better shaping defence for my Sid because the Sid one really is pretty mediocre

[tulip folio]

It's important to avoid Sidereals punching you into a duck.

The Alch one is very average but they've got the ability to project it as an aura, which is cool

So you're everyone else's shaping defence too

[bleak hazel]

"my sensors clearly indicate that you're not a tree, get your head on straight"

[tulip folio]

Shaping Effects are particularly notable around the wyld and the fae because that's where the rules of creation come undone

And someone going 'nah, you've always been X' has real power

[bleak hazel]

Sids and Infernals also have 10000 of them

among the actual splats

[coral wraith]

yeah, Sids have hella shaping effects

notably, Avoidance's memory erasure is Shaping

[tulip folio]

Yeah, as it's not going 'forget'

It's going 'This never happened, how could you possibly remember'

[coral wraith]

heh, yeah

i love avoidance

[tulip folio]

I really want to see it + the infernal anti-avoidance happen in the same scene

Infernal jumps into a scene going 'Hey, I'm here!'

And then the sid goes 'I'm not' and the Infernal is standing there wondering why he appeared here

Even better if they're allies and do a Wrestling Tagout

[marsh garden]

i think the funniest fucking thing is that it's like

the only charm in the edition with that simple of a name

[coral wraith]

sid uses tulat's tread to boot an opponent somewhere he's been the last day

infernal follows through

tekken/guilty gear ass stage transition

[marsh garden]

lmao

[bleak hazel]

gets also have Constant Problem Tactic in essence which I assume they will keep despite it being a very direct fuck you to Sids, so theoretically you can do "infernal jumps in, Sid kicks their target out of the scene and follows, Get chases" and get a triply confused infernal

[tulip folio]

What's constant problem tactic?

[bleak hazel]

appear in the scene of someone who runs away, so just "negate avoidance: the charm"

[tulip folio]

Ah, that's both 'kinda boring' and also 'very powerful'

I'm also a bit sad that I'm going to need to nerf the charm in the same area as infernals I had planned because the current version si more accessable/cheaper than a solaroid getting that effect 😛

But in my defence, the effect didn't exist when I wrote that charm.

[marsh garden]

gamers...hvelp me i'm dyingf

i can't budget all the charms i want

i've cut out like four of these from chargen

there are like 25 charms here and none of them are even high-level stuff in brawling

which i need for combat...

how do y'all do it :(

[coral wraith]

welcome to hell

but uh i recommend trying to just focus on your core competencies first

you dont have be Immediate Combat God

get like, 7-8 charms in Your Thing, then put your roots down in secondary competencies that round out your character

[marsh garden]

i did that

[coral wraith]

bumrushing E5 supernals/apoc is a trap

[coral wraith]

heck

[marsh garden]

(ignore the two blanked out ones i scrubbed their names because they're mechsploitation chicanery)

the yap must be saved for when i have more

i'm...not actually sure i should be going with both grappling and non-grappling charms?

i have no idea how to look at grappling as a combat tool

[buoyant summit]

Sometimes you Just Can't Grapple

[marsh garden]

whether it's supposed to be a utility or a pure objective of its own

gotcher

[buoyant summit]

I mean it can be both imo

Grappling leads to Savaging, which is

Fuct Up™

[marsh garden]

and abyssals have bonuses to savaging...

[coral wraith]

grappling can be really fuckin mean

[tulip folio]

mostly, though there's a few I like because they'veo nly got like 2ish prereqs

[coral wraith]

thats fair

[buoyant summit]

part of me wonders, what with Sibri being my Sid's mentor

[marsh garden]

abyssal survival tempts me greatly

all of the weather shit and then creating shadowlands goes hard

[buoyant summit]

if learning the infernal sword art might be more thematic than Even Blade

or if I might make it a secondary style

I think if I do learn it, I'll learn it later

[bleak hazel]

Grappling is an instant win if you land a good one, but sometimes your enemy parries really well or you have no init and need to do things other than grapple to get some

[buoyant summit]

Have you looked at the infernal sword style Misc?

is there anything in Sids that might incentivize taking it?

Basically do Sids have fear tie tech lmao

[coral wraith]

not a ton iirc, but Battles has the very strong Knuckle-Cracking Stance

[buoyant summit]

So this would be great

If my Strength didn't suck compared to the social stat that would instill Fear xD

[coral wraith]

alas

[buoyant summit]

Or wait

That would be my Appearance, no?

Yeah no my Appearance is only 2

My Strength is 3

[coral wraith]

This is also good

Unfortunately all the fear stuff is really scattershot throughout the Battles abilities

Dread Harbinger of Strife would be dope as hell but needs War 4

This MA is def more Abyssal/Infernal coded

[buoyant summit]

It very much is

My character seems poised to make it a fun thing tho given she's got fucking Sibri as a 3 dot mentor

[tulip folio]

As I've said before: It's also a fantastic alchemical martial art

[bleak hazel]

Aspect of the Bear is very strong if built for

[velvet raft]

Presence on its own covers almost everything, but is generally going to require maxed Str + Sta + Cha/Knuckle-Cracking Stance if you don't mind missing out on Hero's Iron Skin

[bleak hazel]

Big resource tax for a reflexive

[marsh garden]

so, am i misunderstanding the prioritization of dread strength or does an E5 abyssal with these get 15 (10 str + 5 ath) + 15 (full excellency) + 10 (DIG STR) +1 (Spec) for a total of 41 dice on a feat of strength, with fiat to Do Whatever The Fuck including obliterating a mountain?

[bleak hazel]

I believe your excellency is capped at +10, or at least it should be

but yes, pretty much

E5 exalts invariably cap out the FOS scale

[marsh garden]

it's just capped to att + ability, which would be str 10

[velvet raft]

Dread Strength Discipline doesn't add to calculations

[marsh garden]

+5

ahhhh

[velvet raft]

Bonus dots never do unless explicitly stated

[marsh garden]

gotcha

are there any cases where they do?

i assume sids

[velvet raft]

(i.e. very, very rarely)

One SMA, and alchemicals

[bleak hazel]

Alchemicals almost exclusively

[marsh garden]

so it'd be 31 dice, not 41?

[bleak hazel]

and Obsidian Shards but only for the purposes of itself

[marsh garden]

or would it be 36?

[velvet raft]

And Alchemicals notably only get to use them for calcs up to the normal max of 5

And for specific charms

[marsh garden]

sorry, i'm not sure where in the formula the strength dots get added

[bleak hazel]

Obsidian Shards of Infinity is the SMA that is basically twelve capstones in a row, it's hilarious

[marsh garden]

would death's inevitable grasp only give 5, not 10?

[bleak hazel]

zero efficiency all drip

[velvet raft]

I believe they get treated as charm dice

[marsh garden]

i see

i wish it was clearer that they were [added charm dice]

and not [bonus dots of strength], like it claims they are...

so what's the point of DSD if it just adds charm dice?

[bleak hazel]

Them being dots is important to count for minimums and calculate damage

[marsh garden]

does it increase any calculations anywhere?

other than the explicitly stated decisive damage

[bleak hazel]

Withering damage

[marsh garden]

or is it just phrased as unintentionally misleadingly as possible?

[velvet raft]

Magic bonus strength dots being added to decisive damage is irregular for strength dots, hence why it has to be stated

[bleak hazel]

No, it's standard

[velvet raft]

Withering is the normal thing that benefits from strength

[marsh garden]

i see

so what do the strength dots actually do? is it nothing other than withering damage rolls and decisive damage rolls?

[tulip folio]

They let you meet the minimum requirements for Lifting Shit and Breaking Shit.

They let you hit 'can punch a wall down' levels of acts of destruction

[velvet raft]

In general, if it's not an Attribute + Ability roll, dice caps are not relevant

[marsh garden]

alright, so nothing else worth mentioning, unless there are like strength 15 reqs?

since there are other mandatory charms in the tree that just do that passively instead of for motes

thanks for the breakdown

[velvet raft]

So they won't help you get to twenty fucktillion dice but they will stack for purposes of being able to attempt stuff

[marsh garden]

right

so it's just dead in the water once you've picked this up (assuming athletics supernal)? unless ofc you can't afford the wp