it is Celestial Circle though
#Exalted
coral wraith
coral wraith
how central do you want the demon form to be?
cause the first thing that comes to mind is to make a Sorcerous Martial Art out of a necromantized ISoB
nova yew
ooooo
maybe i should look more into the necromantic martial arts
alas
i am wizardly and primarily made to do my spells n shit
so building towards this would be a lot
coral wraith
thats the good thing about magic martial arts, there's precedence there for attack/defense with mental stats via Flying Guillotine
And they're very compact for MAs
nova yew
interesting
coral wraith
Flying Guillotine in its entirety is 5 charms, form included
Here's deets on ScMAs and FGS
nova yew
i guess id have to run "sorcerous martial art creation" by my gm
coral wraith
coral wraith
it's technically unreleased content but the preview above has all the information you really need
coral wraith
Sorcerous Martial Arts
Martial Arts developed to complement the use of a particular spell are rare even among Exalted sorcerers, blurring the line between spells, Charms, and Evocations. They typically involve the use of a sorcerous weapon like the Flying Guillotine or Blood Lash (Lunars, pp. 311−312), or transformations like Incomparable Body Arsenal (Exalted, p.477). Like other styles they have their own Ability, which requires the Martial Artist Merit (Exalted, p. 163) and knowledge of the associated spell to learn.
Sorcerous Martial Arts Charms can be purchased at the same cost as spells. They typically begin with a Form Charm, with the style’s spell as its only prerequisite, and have fewer Charms than normal Martial Arts.
prisma sun
How many points do Infernals get in Devil Body
velvet raft
5
nova yew
then again, i could just
...take more brawl charms and run "evil necromantized skin of bronze that makes you look like the Roaring Knight"
merry arch
5 points for powers 5 points for mutations when you transform
nova yew
ooo
velvet raft
then again, i could just
...take more brawl charms and run "evil necromantized ...
I personally just call it Invulnerable Skin of Bone
nova yew
i wanna make it look all evil and shadowy thoughhhh
anyway once i start getting the xp to spend on that sort of thing, ill run it by my gm
we're currently not in a situation where xp is gonna need to be spent towards combative charms or whatever so i can save my juice
we're helping make a festival and im blessing some fields
coral wraith
you could go evil shadow mode when you go into the ScMA form, maybe
that'd be fun
nova yew
ScMA?
coral wraith
sorcerous martial art
nova yew
ohhh
nova yew
which book is that one in
coral wraith
sidereal martial arts are in the sid book
coral wraith
thats fair!
nova yew
for now my plan is taking more brawl charms eventually and getting an evil ass form via necromantic skin of bronze (Flesh Of Horror maybe)
maybe modifying the base extra mote abilities for bronze into something more evil and sinister instead of defensive
to represent the spell being like
a horrorform
built from dark secrets of the Lower Soul and the labyrinth
my girlie is initiated into the embodiment of the maw so thats her general...flavor
prisma sun
Perilous Domain (Aura 2 dots)
Divided Focus (2 dots)
Discplacing Body
Wings (5 Dots)
prisma sun
I was thinking if he needed extra arms
Supreme Creature Of All Creation is already a perfect being, so singularly real, that his devil body merely imposes that perfection upon Creation. He moves with an alacrity that defies all thought and laws of Fate, for not even the Gods can impose such dull-wittedness on an enlightened being. Reflexively, automatically, every man woman and child that he approaches is split so sublimely that they never feel the pain of death. No ghosts follow in the wake of this carnage, for that would dare challenge the Supreme Creature's edict that these lesser things are dead.
nova yew
bro is schmoving the He The Lord Of Death's Dominion He
prisma sun
Do not put trivial characters in a scene with Creature
nova yew
“He transcended the hall, as if he were an actor on a stage
and the hall his prop. He made he as if a real thing, and she a
story — became he not so much a physical participant in the events
around him as an absolute limitation against which they would
splash. He stretched he him between the world and void.”
For your vibes if you would like it
prisma sun
Yes absolutely
nova yew
Then here’s another
“I heard her startled, choking squeak as she totally
failed and he broke her collarbone. I saw her twist in the air, set
a second hand on his arm, and try to move it. It was like watching
somebody attempting Judo on a bear. It did nothing. It moved
him not a fraction, he broke with physics, and he slammed her into
the wall and she used it for leverage but it was her hip and the
wall itself that gave, not he.”
prisma sun
49 Infernals worried that Creature is power-leveling Essence gain and is going to be the first Elder
nova yew
LMAO
it tracks that the passages i posted were written by jenna moran herself so
peak exalted i suppose
"What use is physics, or martial arts, against a God? You might as well try to move the planets out of the way." what its like fighting Creature
i love this shit
though i suppose strictly speaking, he's an infernal exalted and not a god but i like the word so hush
works better for getting poetic
and Creature is the kind of thing you write poetry about (or at least i assume he wants that)
prisma sun
He would.
nova yew
“He was death, though. I’ve said that. Death, or the
lord of Death’s dominion, he. He was God or the Devil, maybe, like
I’ve said, and I’ve never known which one is he. He wasn’t
something you could fight just because you could lay your hand on
the arm of him, like Natalia did as he struck her. He wasn’t
someone you could move with mortal torque.
What good is mortal force? What good is Mr. Skiven’s
physics?
What good is martial arts against death itself? The
Devil? God?
She might as well have tried to push the planets from
their courses while still standing on them.”
One more for the road for you voy
prisma sun
"How do you Cut a being that has so defined what the act of Cutting is? How do you defeat a creature so antithetical to the concept of failure? How do you reach perfection when it already exists? A perfect supernal form that strides among you? How can you be anything but inferior while I exist? While I am the only thing that truly exists?"
nova yew
"he wasnt something you could fight just because you could lay your hand on him"
thats the sentence that feels like it embodies him
just because hes a physical object in the world doesnt mean you and him are on the same fucking level
prisma sun
you get it
nova yew
it would be an insult to an orderly reality to assume you could possibly win
"You might as well try to push the planets from their courses while standing on them"
prisma sun
I like to imagine that Creature
- was there when Malfeas was defeated
- Malfeas remembers him
- Malfeas loves the fucking la shittyboimichie that he's become
- Is secretly hoping that Creature's arrogance and power can grow to such an extreme that the resulting hubristic black hole may in fact free the Yozis
prisma sun
The Yozis are fostering his power and insanity because they know something about the cosmos will be forever changed when he finally snaps
nova yew
it fits with Creature's logic that only another thing that is as equally real as him could possibly touch him
everything else is a lesser shade
something that descends
the shadows on the wall while he is one of the fires
nova yew
The Yozis are fostering his power and insanity because they know *something* abo...
hoping that something finally fucking gives
yeah
yeah yeah yeah
fuck yeah
thats sickkkk
prisma sun
Also deciding if you don't capitlize Creature's pronouns in writing he fucking kills you
nova yew
fuck yeah
bro can tell
or maybe most creational languages have a unique divine pronoun
bleak hazel
the thing about exalted is that martial arts are perfectly capable of moving gods and/or planets out of the way
bleak hazel
(well, stars, Creation stars are quite punchable)
nova yew
ignore the fact that later in this passage natalia uses martial arts to supplex he, death, 4 dimensionally out of the world
not important
(it fits that all this vibes falls apart because Creature is a hubristic motherfucker)
(who just assumes he is divinely perfect)
prisma sun
The literal instant Creature hits Essence 6 Ligier gives him a key to a Heaven's Gate and tells him that the Unconquered Sun is currently in the Jade Pleasure Dome.
tulip folio
Arcane Prayers: This weapon can attack beyond Close Range, despite being a flame weapon. When the Weilder Shapes Sorcery or uses Countermagic, they can reflexively Reload this weapon, without need for ammunition.
How's this seem as the passive shiny for an artifact firewand? It's designed to be a Sorcery boosting Prayer Piece.
prisma sun
Seems fine
I would maybe still put a natural cap on it still but note it can be extended via magic
bleak hazel
I was unaware firewands were restricted to close in the first place
the rest of it, yeah, neat
tulip folio
It's part of the Flame tag, yeah
tulip folio
Hmm...how do you feel a Fey Cataphract compares to Second Circle Demons? They're obviously not an Octavian but they'd absolutely dumpster anything below second circle.
It's tricky as they're only E2 while Second Circles are like E6 so their motes are much tinier but they've got dice pools that slap about most second circles.
tulip folio
Wanderer Summoning
Wanderers were never part of the Divine Revolution, nor were they formed by gods who benefited from it, instead being children of the Wyld. As such, they have some unique limitations when summoning. They can Summon demons but cannot Bind them, as the binding is a consequence of of the Yozis’ oaths of surrender. As such, a Wanderer that seeks to consort with demons needs a silver tongue and an understanding of what would motivate their new allies, not the crack of an arcane whip. They do not suffer this limitation when summoning elementals, as the binding is what gives the elemental form.
Tinkering With Exalt
coral wraith
Hmm...how do you feel a Fey Cataphract compares to Second Circle Demons? They're...
straight up nasty imo, especially since they can just Make Dudes as well
tulip folio
Game-Breaking Solar Favouritism
Cost: 5m, 1 wp; Mins: Integrity 5, Essence 5
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Shaping (Rules)
Duration: Instant
The chosen of the sun obey no other, the rules of storytellers and game masters are not for them.
If there is a dispute about how a game rule works, the Solar's player wins it. If both players use such effects, they make an opposed (Willpower) roll, with the winner winning the dispute.
New Solar Charm Spotted
mighty rover
lol
prisma sun
I have realized what the final arc is gonna be in my pirate exalted game
The First Age Ruins that hold the behemoth
marsh garden
buoyant summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9QD25nakt8
lolwut
marsh garden
neither do i
mighty rover
you will
marsh garden
i will not
tulip folio
Requiem for Aurora (5 Dot)
Adamant Dragon Sigh Wand
Aurora was universally beloved. From the Dragon Kings, to the Jadeborn and even the remnants of the Ereta'een, there were none that bore him malice. So when the Incarnae was destroyed and his chosen corrupted, it was a knife to the very soul of all who had known him. Requiem for Aurora was not originally known by that name, having been crafted by a Jadeborn artificer as a secret gift for one of Aurora's exalted. That Auroran unfortunately fell in the Incarna's defence before the weapon could be completed, a fact for which the Jadeborn never forgave themselves. The artificer renamed the weapon in mourning of their friend and the god they served.
Requiem is a Dragon Sign Wand with a dark frame and a barrel of brilliant adamant. With each shot, it reflects the light of the firedust through that barrel, creating coronas of shifting rainbow light. With a heartfelt prayer, one can call up a fragment of the Incarnae's light, the weapon lashing out with brilliant bolts of the northern lights themselves without shot or powder.
Special: Airglow Prayers - The range of this weapon can be extended by charms, despite being a Flame weapon. When the Wielder Shapes Sorcery or uses Countermagic, they can reflexively Reload this weapon, without need for ammunition.
How's this seem conceptually for an artifact? It's designed to be a weapon for interweaving Sorcery and Archery.
merry arch
that fuckin rules
tulip folio
...I'm also realizing the evocation I'm planning for this is basicly spell shattering palm but I think I can make them distinct enough to be worth it.
marsh garden
question: so, the distinction between peripheral and personal pools of motes is that spending personal doesn't flare your aura
how does permanent committment work with that?
if i have, for example, 15 motes committed to my peripheral pool for artifacts, am i permanently at a t3 flare?
or does a flare happen, but only when i attune to the artifact (because that's when i spend the motes)?
or does it not at all because committing is different
tulip folio
Yeah, attuning from peripheral basicly causes an instant flare
marsh garden
my assumption is that your aura embiggens and all that jazz when you first attune to an artifact or commit to a permanent charm, and then falls back to normal after the hour?
tulip folio
Great if you want to demonstrate you're the One True King by drawing the daiklaive in the rock 😛
marsh garden
even though your motes are still committed
because it's [spent in an instant], and not "have spent", yeah?
tulip folio
Yeah
marsh garden
thanks!
tulip folio
Generally it's better to attune from peripheral unless you can't afford to be obvious attuning right now
marsh garden
makes sense!
tulip folio
...or if you're one of the exalt types that wants to flare more
Soverigns for example scale the power of their excellency based on how flared they are.
marsh garden
sovereigns?
is that a type of exalted that isn't in 3e, or some charm/caste/build type?
tulip folio
A less common exalt. They're sorta-exigents, sorta not.
marsh garden
gotcha
tulip folio
```
Requiem for Aurora (5 Dot)
Adamant Dragon Sigh Wand
Aurora was universally b...
They're actually the children of the Incarnae I mentioned here!
marsh garden
oh, neat
tulip folio
One of two, the other being Hearteaters. Who are...not doing well.
marsh garden
the incarnae was one of the old gods?
tulip folio
Aurora was one of them who the primordials smote the fuck out of. XD
marsh garden
that is, in fact, a plural word...
gotcha
was this before the rebellion, and one of the assorted inciting causes, or during?
tulip folio
During
Their 'thing' is they are children of the northern lights. Which means they really want to be as glowy as possible to draw on that power.
marsh garden
okay yeah that tracks
tulip folio
They have a wierd special level of anima that's above the usual 'I have gone supersaiyan' most exalts have
Where the entire sky becomes their anima banner.
They are, unsuprisingly, not subtle
marsh garden
that does go hard as fuck though
tulip folio
They also get a cool thing where they can harden the northern lights into rainbow glass and form a legendary size statue form
Here we go!
marsh garden
that's pretty spectacular, yeah
sorry for another question but what the hell does this mean
as a cost, that is
tulip folio
Consumed By The Northern Lights
Cost: 5m, 1wp; Mins: Essence 3
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Clash, Decisive-only, Resonant
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: A Few
Lesser lights are become nothing but specs within the glory of Aurora.
The wielder reflexively clashes an essence-based attack or a spell she is aware of that targets her. If a Caster's spell does not make an attack roll, he rolls (Intelligence + Occult) for the clash. Winning the clash negates the spell’s effect entirely, even if it had effects beyond the wielder.
If she is not in combat, she rolls Join Battle for the purpose of generating initiative before making the attack.
Resonant: The Wielder adds (+Anima) non-charm dice to the decisive attack.
Playing about with evocations. A good clash but it can only clash some things. (Essence-Based Attacks is actually a defined term, Alchemicals have a section on it)
coral wraith
Maybe I should make an ISoB based martial art...
velvet raft
I love ISOB primarily for its control effect, but if I could get away with using the full mode more I would
tulip folio
ISOB?
velvet raft
Invulnerable Skin of Bronze
tulip folio
Ah, yeah.
That would be fun
I could see it easily getting a form that makes your unarmed attacks artifact while ISOB is active
As you've now got Cool Metal Hands to do Cool Metal Smashing
Or maybe even 'while in ISOB, you are considered to have Smashfists and God-Kicking Boots'
coral wraith
yeah, I was thinking kind of a tank/juggernaut sorta deal
Big smashing, feats of strength, enhancing the mote spending options on the spell already
tulip folio
Makes sense. It's not based on ISOB but I did a martial art like that and they're very fun.
Soulless Steel Rebuke
Cost: 5m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Counterattack, Terrestrial
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Body and Soul Alignment
The practitioner of Sky-Twisting Boar Style does not fear those armed with weapons, for her perfect alignment of muscle and internal energy is as strong as any magical material. Warriors find their weapons shaken from their grip, horsemen are flung from the saddle like their mount had struck a wall and even crossbowmen find their own bolts reflected back towards them.
Soulless Steel Rebuke can be used to respond to the attacker when the Martial Artist stops an attack with Hardness or reduces it to Minimum Damage, rolling (Stamina + Presence + Essence) for a Decisive counterattack.
-Against Melee Weapon attacks, this is a Disarm or Unhorse Gambit.
-Against Ranged, Natural Weapon and Unarmed attacks, this is a Decisive attack with (Stamina) raw damage that ignores Hardness. It does not add initiative or reset the martial artist to base initiative.
Terrestrial: The Martial Artist does not add (Essence) to the attack.
Oh sweet
tulip folio
That martial art is a bit silly but funny because it's primary stat combo you see is Stamina + Presence, as you're emulating Isidoros' sheer gravitational presence.
velvet raft
yeah, I was thinking kind of a tank/juggernaut sorta deal
My first thought would be that the form should give full medium weapon benefits, since as-is the spell makes your unarmed attacks count as medium weapons for attack but not defense
velvet raft
Just had the worst thought: Here With The Chains is, said in the same fashion as sex-positive, death-positive
tulip folio
snrk
velvet raft
Just had the worst thought: Here With The Chains is, said in the same fashion as...
@nova yew
coral wraith
hey @tulip folio since you know a fair amount about Old Exalted Lore, do you know what/who the Hooded Headsmen are? Flying Guillotine Style mentions them but i got nothin' else
tulip folio
I think it was made up for the style
I've never heard of them before Flying Guillotine Style
coral wraith
It's apparently mentioned in 2e too
tulip folio
Really? Huh, have to find out where.
coral wraith
yeah, i found a thing porting 2e spells to 3e and their description explicitly mentions the Sign of the Hooded Headsman
tulip folio
Odd. I've never heard it it before but if I had to guess it's likely a lesser constellation.
Because it has a sign
And those are associated with constellations
coral wraith
gotcha
tulip folio
```
Requiem for Aurora (5 Dot)
Adamant Dragon Sigh Wand
Aurora was universally b...
Does this read okay btw?
coral wraith
Does this read okay btw?
i think the middle paragraphs repeats "light" a bit too much
if you change one of the instances to something fancy i think it all reads good
velvet raft
I like it though
coral wraith
yeah
tulip folio
i think the middle paragraphs repeats "light" a bit too much
That's fair. Aurora's very lean on known themes so shiny and light ended up a bit in the brain. XD
I'll tinker with things there.
coral wraith
velvet raft
What other themes would one do for Aurora? Beauty? Transformation? Mediation?
Just thinking about the physical and social properties of an aurora
fierce star
He was known to be the most beautiful of the incarnae, always able to inspire and bring out the best in others. His chosen were specifically called out as being responsible for the mental and spiritual health of the exalted host; muses to the sidereals advisors
tulip folio
Just thinking about the physical and social properties of an aurora
I was looking to focus on 'Wonder' and 'Mourning'. As the guiding, brilliant muse who has been lost to all.
Hence the sorcery focus. That's the 'wonder' side.
velvet raft
Impermanence could be another thing
tulip folio
Could be fun, yeah. On the more meta front - This is totally designed to be a Caster Gun
velvet raft
Gotcha
That does strike me as a reason to work more kinda ... high-energy physics reference? Into the whole thing.
velvet raft
tulip folio
I do love the long castergun you see once, where it's very clearly designed to look like a Khakkhara carried by buddhist monks.
velvet raft
Auroras are spectacular, impermanent, and often involve truly unthinkable amounts of electricity hitting a magnetic field way bigger than a planet Earth's size should have
tulip folio
Hahahah
To be fair: That last one is one of the main themes of the other guys aligned with Adamant.
Alchemicals 😛
velvet raft
... okay, I'm unreasonably proud of this:
Deathknight Errant
tulip folio
Nice
velvet raft
Hm, tangential thought: a Creational Alchemical wouldn't have any way to summon a Divine Minister or anything of the like, right?
Been idly thinking about The Bow
tulip folio
I think not.
velvet raft
Fuck I'm late to the party
tulip folio
That said: I imagine there's still plenty of First Circle Machine Spirits in creation
Like, not an endless amount of them.
But Autocthon liked to just like Leaving Experiments Places
velvet raft
Maybe a second-circle machine spirit would make sense as a 5-dot ally?
I'm just sorta pondering a thing
tulip folio
Yeah, it would make sense.
I mean, he left an entire species without remembering where he put them once.
velvet raft
Creative reinterpretation: life is torment, therefore it's better to let people live until their natural death.
tulip folio
wanders up to old person
"Think about how much of your life you wasted."
Wanders off, content in doing the neverborn's will
velvet raft
... you know, one could work out a pretty convincing simulacrum of Pure Land Buddhism using that as a baseline
With the Underworld as the Pure Land
Life is suffering, Lethe is just another word for samsara, the Underworld is the Pure Land from which one may reach enlightenment, etc.
knotty islandBOT
Sorry, Pure Land Buddhism?
Sorry, I associate them with the Ikko Ikki, so I got a bit surprised.
velvet raft
A sect of Buddhism which preaches, among other things, that a sufficiently virtuous life leads to reincarnation in the Pure Land: a heavenly realm where devas and bodhisattvas chant in order to help the newcomer achieve enlightenment.
Something to bear in mind is that Buddhist schemes of reincarnation often have room for realms analogous to the Christian Heaven and Hell (Naraka being the worst of the latter).
Where you get tortured by demons for a really long time before reincarnating in a higher realm.
In most Buddhist cosmology, the human realm is considered an especially advantageous starting point, since once you get higher the pleasures of being a divine entity tend to lead one to fall. A lot of devas are doomed to this fate.
IIRC one of the original sermons details like 31 realms
"Realm" being a bit of an odd translation choice since multiple realms sometimes share the same physical space (such as it were).
fierce star
Hmm. Ys is the ethnonym for people from Ysyr, but Ysyri is the term for things made by or owned by the Ys.
Is a slave born in Ysyr going to be called Ys or Ysyri?
tulip folio
They're called many things I can't say beause they're underwater and elves and they thug all your provinces.
...wait, this isn't Dominions talk.
😛
fierce star
look, Ys is neither the worst elf nation or the worst underwater nation
it just happens to be both that's all
velvet raft
Hmm. Ys is the ethnonym for people from Ysyr, but Ysyri is the term for things m...
Ys is actually where Adol went in the first two games
fierce star
Neat
tulip folio
Hmm...with Exalted going Lower Tech in 3e, I'm pondering how far would be reasonable to go with Jadeborn War Machines. In 2e they had like...actual tanks and trains and shit. 3e turned back the clock on tech and magitek but pondering how far I could go for 'advanced' and still not be too much for 2e's themes.
See: 2e Jadeborn Vehicle and Questionable Anatomy.
fierce star
jesus they're caked up
I feel like essence-driven carriages and trains are fine for the jadeborn, it's just a question of like. Bronze-aging or early iron-aging the aesthetic of it
velvet raft
See: 2e Jadeborn Vehicle and Questionable Anatomy.
The Case of the Artist's Barely-Disguised Fetish
fierce star
many such cases
tulip folio
Yeah, I was thinking less 'These guys have full sci-fi tech' for the baseline and more 'these guys have WWI tech but without guns because exalted can't have guns'. XD
Endless Legend Vaulters etc
fierce star
The Vaulters are very autochthon-coded imo so it works well
tulip folio
Yeah so 'awkward semi-wastriders, some underground trains and vaulter-level gear'
velvet raft
Pleased with this
"I'm going to start my own Death's Chivalry, with blackjack, and hookers! As a matter of fact, forget the hookers. And the blackjack."
fierce star
I'm feeling out my 'ex-husband took all the kids in the divorce' nadir and I've figured out one: her opinion on freedom and slavery, and two: one of her prior incarnations and arguably the most important one for her stoyr.
Freedom has to be earned--either with strength or with favor. Slaves who have neither are pitious things; but they can be taught... and if they can, they at least deserve to be protected from those would abuse them. One day they will blossom, if not in this life than the next. They can be protected and tutored by a mother-mistress who will love them in spite of their weaknesses.
Lintha ng Golden MacHail, The Flame That Held Back The Sea, a Night caste who waged a one-man war against his once-mistress Kimbery; when one ship sank he would always find another, when one flame was snuffed he would find a second to light anew. A rakish and charismatic figure, he survives today in Lintha myth as a betrayer and boogeyman; 'Behave', the Grandmothers tell the youths, 'Or Machail will find you in your sleep and set your whole ship ablaze.'
HAHAHA
velvet raft
XD
Also see above, full backstory complete with "killed a Mask of Winters deathknight immediately after exaltation"
If she's gonna be a foil I might as well play it up
tulip folio
I'm feeling out my 'ex-husband took all the kids in the divorce' nadir and I've ...
Most Divorced Woman.
fierce star
sshe is very divorced
in her defense though her ex husband is a fae lord-admiral of the orchid court
she has very poor taste in spouses
nova yew
If she's gonna be a foil I might as well play it up
You know what fair enough
velvet raft
That also inspired the connection to Lookshy
nova yew
Oooo
Right yeah
We hate lookshy in our game mainly because one of us is from there and has a grudge about random shit
velvet raft
I was mostly thinking in the sense of Lookshy as the foil to the Realm
tulip folio
Hmm...when doing up a quick character who's piloting a machine, do you think it's worth just treating the machine and the character as a single character? Rather than doing it up like a warstrider where machine and personal stats are separate.
fierce star
For a QC? yeah
nova yew
Life is suffering, Lethe is just another word for samsara, the Underworld is the...
You can live solely upon your aspirations and passions
fierce star
unless they're gonna pull a Lord Genome and pop out of the robot, flex their pectorals and start beating the piss out of people
tulip folio
Yeah nah, the pilot here likely just lays down going 'oww' with a concussion. XD
fierce star
yeah, I'd just do combined stats then
tulip folio
This is basicly 'oh fuck, Jadeborn War Machine'
Which is going to be a Cut-Rate Warstrider
velvet raft
Maybe a second-circle machine spirit would make sense as a 5-dot ally?
Hm, this could also serve as a justification for said Alchemical waking up
tulip folio
It's not an artifact, it's a big machine of steel and geomantic magic but like 'cut rate warstrider' is still the scariest thing that most people that see it has ever encountered.
tulip folio
Okay so looking over the stats I'm giving it: Nowhere near as durable as a thousand corpse goliath (Especially not one loaded up) but more Agile/Smarter. It's still 'A legendary size' combatant, just not 'Holy fuck thousand corpse goliaths, your stats are huge'
velvet raft
We still don't have any bow-compatible martial arts, right?
tulip folio
I think we're getting one but no, not yet
velvet raft
Mm-hm.
obviously just use a bow in melee via wood dragon to access its evocations in weird and stupid ways
fierce star
Major Principle: "Behidn every great man theres hould be a great woman, adn vice versa. And Ligier has a very great behind."
just spends her time in hell ogling the green sun's ass
velvet raft
Ligier: "I should probably be at least a little bit uncomfortable with this."
merry arch
can you blame her when he's that fine
nova yew
just spends her time in hell ogling the green sun's ass
What
velvet raft
It's a very nice ass
fierce star
I'm working on an Infernal who has been declared the Most Divorced Woman
nova yew
Oh my god
velvet raft
I'm working on an Infernal who has been declared the Most Divorced Woman
Hellon Musk
nova yew
Noooo
fierce star
nah she's Divorced in a different way
she wants to kill her ex husband in gruesome and spectacular ways while proving to her kids everything he told them about her is wrong via
checks notes
demonic mind control
intsead of fae mind control
fierce star
"Do the kids get a say" "They get to say 'yes, mommy'."
merry arch
can you blame her when he's that fine
and this diva is a redhead
nova yew
Jesus
velvet raft
Strong Kimberry vibes
merry arch
simply put: girl I get it
fierce star
Kimbery is her main yozi she jives with, yeah
sail primordial nadir
she runs a floating brothel/pirate ship/battered women's shelter on the dreaming sea, where captured slaves find new purpose under her love and protection, and occasionally have cannibalistic feasts when they capture other vessels who dare to oppose her love
velvet raft
Hmmmmm alchemical archer, Dexterity favored or Perception favored with a bunch of Transpuissant Bullshit?
fierce star
(I wans't planning for that it's just what boarding actions do with infernal charms)
fierce star
Gkat: perception favored is fun, but you're still gonna want some dexterity charms
velvet raft
Yeh
fierce star
I guess the question is which do you want to invest more in, perception bullshit outside the attack charms, or dexterity bullshit outside the attack/defense charms?
like, mechanical questin
Karen: yeah I probably shouldn't be allowed to touch Infernals but someone made the mistake of inviting me
velvet raft
Hm, well, I'm blatantly stealing Iki's idea re: The Very Sad Bow with an Orichalcum caste ...
fierce star
her ex has a dice pool listing (shamelessly stolen from @tulip folio ) of 'Almsot Everything: 14 dice. Being Humble: 2 dice, 10s do not double')
velvet raft
Probably more Perception bullshit
nova yew
What yozi is the ligier associated with
tulip folio
Malfeas
velvet raft
Malfeas
nova yew
Figured
velvet raft
He's Malfeas's fetich soul
tulip folio
He's basicly everything Malfeas wishes he was.
velvet raft
The one that hates Malfeas
fierce star
yeah, he'se verything Malfeas used to be and wishes to be again
nova yew
Mhm
nova yew
How do you-actually no yeah they’re yozi that makes sense they can do that
buoyant summit
they hate each other and sometiems fuck about it
sorry what they're in a gay hateship?
velvet raft
Ligier, the Green Sun
Fetich Soul of MalfeasAt the center of each layer of Hell sits Ligier, the Green Sun, whose shadowless radiance is life and woe to the Demon City. He is the heart of Malfeas, his foremost soul and living core. Should he truly perish, all of Hell would be remade.
There is no greater smith among demonkind than Ligier. The wonders he forges stretch to scales that boggle the mind, from rivers of molten brass cast into triumphal arches through which stars could pass, to black iron wrought giants tall enough to challenge the heavens. In this work he finds joy and fulfillment, but his perfectionism demands strange or painful reagents, from children’s blood to the taste of betrayal. Denied those, he inevitably introduces flaws unknowingly into his work.
Behind all of Ligier’s creations, there is an idea: To bring order to Creation akin to that of Hell. There is no spite in this. Though Hell be a prison of agony and sorrow, though the Yozis thrash forever in anger and pain, Ligier looks upon the Demon Realm, and sees beauty. What is this prison, if not a temple? What is this thrashing, if not a dance? What is this pain, if not a sacrament? How could the Green Sun hate the ones who bound them all in such exquisite artistry? No, Ligier loves Creation and all of its people, such that one day, Creation’s sun shall shine green, and black stone and brass shall cover the world, with gods and men alike joining the demons in their dance. They will all look upon the Green Sun, and weep with joy, for they will know his wonders.
fierce star
more selfcesty...?
velvet raft
It will all have been worth it.
Ligier is not just the sun of Hell. In his human-like form, Ligier appears as a handsome youth with auburn hair and bronze skin; when he desires to overawe others, he instead appears as a ten-foot tall being crowned in hellfire, with four arms, skin of brass, black iron claws, and a third eye. Like many Unquestionables, he can exist in two places at once. His summoning never darkens the Demon Realm — though his temporary death might. On rare occasion, he has been known to enter Creation at the entreaty of a queen, prince or legendary smith, appearing only for the brief time after the sun sets but before night falls. He has at times been moved to offer his services to them, and, to those who could grasp the beauty he sees, his company.
Though Ligier styles himself as unconcerned with the politics of Hell, he relishes the widespread impact of his every whim. A brief fling with a citizen may see them vastly elevated in the social hierarchy of the Demon City or bring the knives of assassins; a spur-of-the-moment choice may start a fashion that endures centuries. The fallout of Ligier’s involvement in Malfean society may save or devastate lives, but he himself is above such consequences. Such chaos is Hell’s lifeblood, and there is beauty in ruin.
When Ligier is not summoned for his crafting prowess, it is instead for his skills as a peerless warrior. A devastating presence on the battlefield, he reveals a radiance before which mortals are unmade and calls forth a sword whose beauty brings the staunchest heart to tears. His graceful motions trail afterimages, and his every blow sends earth-cracking shockwaves. By these tokens, Ligier shows the truth in which he believes: That there is no equal before the Green Sun, he who is immortal and invincible. None have yet been able to challenge this claim. It is, nonetheless, wrong.
nova yew
What is selfcest if not being gay
velvet raft
What is selfcest if not being gay
Unless you have reverse mirror pronouns
fierce star
Szorenzy...
I do love that we have a relationship among the yozis that is selfcest coded while epxlicitly being, uh, not selfcest
nova yew
> It will all have been worth it.
>
> Ligier is not just the sun of Hell. In h...
…..evil Jasper
velvet raft
Yes actually
nova yew
Jasper should meet him it would be funny
next delta
nonetheless, it is wrong
This is the devs saying he'd have a real bad time against a supernal combat Solaroid
nova yew
The sky would be brightened by 2 stars
velvet raft
> nonetheless, it is wrong
This is the devs saying he'd have a real bad time aga...
Doubtful, historically Ligier wouldn't even show up to a fight against anything less than a full circle of elder exalts
fierce star
but yeah my infernal's whole backstory, karen, is that she was a young ys slave-girl who was on her sorcerer-prince's pelasure barge when it got raided by the Lord-Admiral Crystal-Spears-Upon-Dawning-Waters, a fae lord of the Orchid Court and a rakish pirate captain. She caught his eye, and was spared soul-devouring to be his personal plaything; her determination and skills won her rank from plaything, to consort, to crew, to first mate, to wife, and she bore him dozens of children over the years, fae-blooded all.
And then, one day, a few years ago, he grew bored of her story and divorced her, turning her into Ysyr thorugh intermediaries for her bounty. It was in the prisons at the depth of the city of sorcerers that the Yozi found her, cursing her ex-husband, her place of birht, her children who did not lift a finger to save her.
next delta
Doubtful, historically Ligier wouldn't even show up to a fight against anything ...
Dumb idea: Solar who wants to summon Ligier just to duel him
fierce star
you can just say you want to play an Invincible Sword Princess, asom
velvet raft
This has invariably happened
tulip folio
Lord-Admiral Crystal-Spears-Upon-Dawning-Waters: "Look, you might think I'm the bad guy but have you considered she had rancid vibes?"
velvet raft
Like, a lot
nova yew
The divorce courts are not gonna like this one lord admiral Crystal spears upon drowning waters
fierce star
unfortuantely the only divorce courts willing to listen to the pair right now are either hell's or a fae one and uh
velvet raft
Ligier shows up and says, "okay you need to bring at least four other guys, and all of you need like, 3 to 4 dots of essence, or I'm not even going to bother"
buoyant summit
but yeah my infernal's whole backstory, karen, is that she was a young ys slave-...
I swear there's a mythological precedent for this story
velvet raft
But as immensely powerful as he is, as world-shaking as his whims, as brilliant his mind, as sweeping as his ambitions ... he is still the fetich soul of Theion, and Theion lost.
buoyant summit
I swear I've heard a version of 'godly mother on revenge quest against godly father, godly children are collateral damage at best'
velvet raft
Ligier is the stubborn insistence of Malfeas that if he could just go back to the way he was, everything would be better, and that insistence is denial born of trauma.
nova yew
;-;
fierce star
Ligier is Malfeas going 'I can run it back, I can run it back!' while the team's down seven levels and the enemy's pushing nexus
velvet raft
And he's the willingness to do the level again without making any strategic adjustments
Because to adjust would require him to admit that it wasn't just a fluke, and that he was flawed from the beginning.
nova yew
I’m gonna cry over these fuckerssss
fierce star
also I am pleasently pleased that Ipithymia is much less creepy in ex3 so far while still being visibly 'Man Theion/Malfeas never really got over the whole Sol Betrayal, did he'
velvet raft
By these tokens, Ligier shows the truth in which he believes: That there is no equal before the Green Sun, he who is immortal and invincible. None have yet been able to challenge this claim. It is, nonetheless, wrong.
velvet raft
also I am pleasently pleased that Ipithymia is *much less creepy* in ex3 so far ...
I saw some interesting discussion of Ipithymia the other day, and my personal take is that Ipithymia is a landlord
fierce star
oooh?
velvet raft
Like, the cosmic principle of landlordness
chilly sluice
also I am pleasently pleased that Ipithymia is *much less creepy* in ex3 so far ...
What was/is their deal?
velvet raft
Trades your dreams for somewhere safe to live
bleak hazel
I eagerly look forward to Ligier Stats so I can start benchmarking my E5 combat builds against him and failing
fierce star
So Ipi is one of Malfeas' third circles, she is the Street of Golden Lanterns, where demons go to have their desires fulfilled, to trade what they have for what they want, to have a chance to rest their weary heads. It is implicilty in ex3 both market and brothel, and explicitly so in prior editions.
chilly sluice
Oh yeah I see, i read a little about that one
velvet raft
It's noted that bargains with Ipithymia are never really worth it, but the examples given make them understandable even so
fierce star
The, uh, creepy part came from her more humanoid manifestation usually being 'The unconquered sun, if he was a twelve year old girl'
gestures vaguely at ex2
chilly sluice
Ahhhh
nova yew
Jasper-
bleak hazel
Honestly I should test more of my builds against FAFL but be does have a combat suite that's basically I Win
velvet raft
Like, most of the people who go to Ipi probably know that they're being offered a bad deal, and a lot of them are going to take the deal even knowing it's bad
next delta
(it is weird to me that Ligier is described as a youth in default appearance)
fierce star
(idle side thought while it's in my head: I believe it's headcanon but I still maintain that the dragon's shadow/the ebon dragon has nothing but pure pride and respect for The Unconquered Sun after his betrayl of the primordials and to this day considers conky his favorite son, even if he'd never tell anyone)
I read that on Ligier as being 'late teens' youth
velvet raft
(idle side thought while it's in my head: I believe it's headcanon but I still m...
You know I love that
chilly sluice
(it is weird to me that Ligier is described as a youth in default appearance)
I read that as young adult like
velvet raft
Yeah "a youth" can mean someone who's eighteen or nineteen, possibly even older
nova yew
(idle side thought while it's in my head: I believe it's headcanon but I still m...
Lmao I adore that
God, yozi
I love the yozi
I feel so bad for them
fierce star
because like, remember, The Dragon's Shadow is the one who pushed for conky to be made, so he could have something to truly define himself against. He is in almost every way that matters conky's real dad
nova yew
LMAO
fierce star
To have his glorious golden sun, capstone of all virtue betray him? He couldn't be prouder.
chilly sluice
Karen loves it when characters suck and are pathetic
And the yozi are very much both
velvet raft
And of course remember, Ebby's plans always fuck up and go sideways in the end
So the Unconquered Sun is no exception
He is the Principle of Opposition, and so it is his nature to ultimately fail.
next delta
Was that the case even before the Primordials lost the war?
velvet raft
Hm, not sure
tulip folio
It basicly was
velvet raft
But at the very least it sorta retroactively works out
tulip folio
Ebby is the yozi who changed the least
fierce star
yeah, he just became the dragon who's shadow he previously was
tulip folio
His primordial war and current selves are closer to 'changed hats' than what happened to Malfeas.
fierce star
like, by becoming a yozi he stopped being simply a shadow of things and became a thing in itself
velvet raft
The Ebon Dragon got a raw deal in how parts of Ex2 depicted him as Basically Satan, but he's a fascinating figure because he's simultaneously the worst and like ... the definition of Sympathy For The Devil?
He's got Nobilis Hell vibes
fierce star
like, I get it dude, ebby, I get it, everything I do seems destined for failure too
nova yew
Ah
next delta
Yozi losing being basically foreordained because the failure guy pushed for the most powerful god is kind of funny
fierce star
Fun thing: statwise in Ex2, a particularly virtuous mortal was capable of kicking his ass personally.
because excactly none of his charms (of which were all his stats!) worked against people channelling virtues on their rolls.
buoyant summit
Me when Ebby was on some semiLorkhan shit
velvet raft
Yeah, Ebby was notable for his charms not making their users stronger
But instead, making others weaker.
Because, again, principle of opposition.
next delta
3e is doing a pretty good job at making me sympathetic for the Yozi. Even if they are literally monstrous in multiple ways
fierce star
The yozis would be much less, like
velvet raft
He loves that which is pathetic, degraded, worthless, corrupt, and horrid.
nova yew
Good to hear good to hear
fierce star
cool an opposition if they weren't sympathetic
fierce star
like malfeas is the very definition of a jerk jock alpha male peaked in high school asshole
velvet raft
And this is really what Ex2 Infernals figured out
fierce star
but you can understand why he is that way
nova yew
sigh
velvet raft
That the Yozis are not just the losers, they are the losers.
buoyant summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vthDaPd--ak
...suddenly needs to make a Samurai Jack Solar
nova yew
In any case I should go eat breakfast and stop paying attention to exalted lore
fierce star
that's the best aprt karen
velvet raft
Eat weel
fierce star
you never stop paying attentiont o exalted lore
once you learn it, it stays inside you forever, whispering away
nova yew
I’m a Nobilis fan it’s eternal
buoyant summit
Actually, if Jack were an Exalt, would he be a Solar or an Exigent of the sword?
velvet raft
Solar
velvet raft
I cannot think of a more Solar character
velvet raft
Do y'all remember his training in the first episode?
tulip folio
I'm curious why, admittedly
He's Just That Good. Like, it's got zero weird tricks, he's Just That Good.
And that's sorta the Solar Vibe
buoyant summit
Following on, is Jack an Invincible Sword Princess
velvet raft
The dude is the definition of transcendent and perfect skill
No
Jack has a bunch of non-combat stuff
buoyant summit
Oh, I have a dark horse pick for his caste in the case of him being a Solar
He's an Eclipse
velvet raft
Notably, he definitely has a ton of Integrity charms
buoyant summit
He learns something from every single Weird Motherfucker he meets
velvet raft
I actually do think he has to be Dawn, if only because we know he is a master of All Forms Of Combat
buoyant summit
And through the ancient legacy of his own legend, has fair dealings with the weird and marginal
velvet raft
Jack is the rare Archery 5, Brawl 5, Melee 5, Thrown 5, War 5 dawn >_>
bleak hazel
Jack is very solar, he literally has a fight scene where he dominates in the lit areas and fades out in the dark ones
velvet raft
The legend
tulip folio
I'm eternally an Isidoros fan and I'm really glad 3e is having me eat well with him. Big Black Hole Boar is great.
buoyant summit
While on a literal mechanical level I agree he's a Dawn, I think tonally he's very Eclipse
velvet raft
The show in general is also very big on kinda a ... warrior ethos?
Like there's a degree of Fighting Man Morality that pervades it
next delta
Surely the Invincible Sword Princess has integrity charms, if only to keep her sword intimacies intact, plus that one that stops shaping effects from affecting her swording
velvet raft
In sometimes unexpected ways
bleak hazel
no that would decrease the amount of charms dedicated to swording
velvet raft
There's an episode I think about a lot
bleak hazel
I think the original ISP build had like, resolve 4 with maybe an excellency
velvet raft
Where Jack learns about a death-maze, right?
Warriors go into the maze and do not return
So of course he goes in because There Might Be A Time Portal
Maybe
next delta
I guess Solars have bridge charms so she can easily dip into the one that lets her keep swording even if the fae turn her into a cat
velvet raft
Who the fuck knows
Warrior
He fights his way through the maze, and at its center he meets a man made from molten stone
The guy reveals he used to be some sort of Norse king, but he was cursed into his current form.
next delta
So of course he goes in because There Might Be A Time Portal
That's incredible, uh, logic lmao
velvet raft
He is immortal, and very powerful, and so cannot reach valhalla
velvet raft
That's incredible, uh, logic lmao
In fairness I think there might be slightly stronger indication
It's been a bit
But like, fundamentally Jack goes because He Is A Warrior, I think
buoyant summit
velvet raft
Anyway, the molten rock dude built this place to lure a warrior worthy of fighting and killing him
Because he wants nothing more than to go to Valhalla
We see the remains of dead men in the maze
And like, by a modern moral standard this is a horrifying thing to do
But Jack understands it perfectly, he doesn't object on any kind of moral grounds
Because he, like the lava monster, is a fighting man
He kills the lava monster and sends his spirit to Valhalla and that's the episode
I watched this episode with my gf and she pointed out a lot of this to me
And generally asserted as we watched the show the Jack is not just a very skilled fighter, but also the exemplar of that sort of fighting man's virtue
Or like, in the Demongo episode, we meet some kinda demon sorcerer who has been capturing the souls of mighty warriors to force them to fight for him; Jack seems personally offended by this in a very specific way because these are his people.
The dude is humble in principle but proud at very specific moments, courageous but self-controlled, self-sacrificing almost to a fault, unhesitating in the application of violence, and intolerant of injustice. It's weird but I feel like he's not just a Dawn
He's the Dawn
XD
buoyant summit
I am so tempted to go to the Solar chat in the Exalted server and present this conundrum lmao
velvet raft
(I have a lot of thoughts about this show)
fierce star
it's a good show to have a lot of thoughts about
(what kind of Exalted is the Scotsman)
velvet raft
The whole thing is that he and Jack are actually very similar despite aesthetic differences.
I remember the episode where Jack visits his clan to get permission for Jack to help him save his wife
And Jack has to like, show off to the clan druid and earn the respect of his clansmen
The Scotsman gets kind of worried about this at a few moments because he knows that Jack is a great warrior and a man of honor, but Jack doesn't present the way his clan expects people like that to present, and he it's like ... a matter of honor, and potentially of personal shame.
And Jack ends up solving the trials using skill instead of brawn, because he is a very similar man but also a very different one.
My favorite bit is when they're doing stone-throwing
lunar magnet
I do love that the Scotsman is also one of the people who manages to save Jack as well. 😛
That Siren had him dead to rights.
velvet raft
And Jack is not a huge, muscle-bound dude, so he can barely lift these rocks the clansmen are tossing around
He asks a big guy "how much do you weigh?"
The guy says, "forty stone"
Jack hits him with a judo throw, tossing him on his ass
The clansmen love this, obviously that's a valid answer
So yeah, I think Lunar for the Scotsman
buoyant summit
Do we even need to debate Caste
velvet raft
Full Moon all the way
buoyant summit
Indeed
fierce star
100% full moon
velvet raft
Thinking about it, I am hard pressed to find better rep for Vanilla Dawn and Vanilla Full Moon than these two
buoyant summit
lol
velvet raft
They're just sort of definitional mythic fighters
buoyant summit
I have a really weird suggestion for an iconic Sid, tho admittedly since idk much about Sids his Caste is up in the air
Luke Skywalker
fierce star
this is because Samurai Jack is not a story tolda bout a man, but a parable about an archetype, in the way it presents itself
hmm
Luke is either Journies or Secrets I think
his life is kind of defined by the secrets kept from him and the secrets he chooses to keep
velvet raft
You know, yeah, I can buy Luke as a sid
velvet raft
Especially since so much of Luke's personal arc is about becoming wise
velvet raft
Like, even just within the bounds of the OT, Luke's story is about having elders of great skill and questionable intentions who bring him into a secret world, and surpassing them through understanding.
Journeys
buoyant summit
Obi-Wan in this contorting is even a good stand-in for a meddling preincarnate
velvet raft
Obi-Wan is absolutely an elder sid, Yoda's an elder sid, hell Vader's an elder sid
fierce star
hot take, Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader is the best way to describe an Endings sid with cultural references
velvet raft
I like to factor out Anakin, personally, so I could see him as Endings or as Battles.
<- OT lover
fierce star
the OT is the best but the PT grew on me over the years even before the ST
velvet raft
Obi-Wan is definitely secrets
fierce star
(at the end of the day however my heart belongs to the Legends EU)
tulip folio
Ketchup Carjack: "Oh, I killed so many solar younglings."
velvet raft
Yoda is more up in the air
I could see a case for a lot of things
But ... maybe Journeys, as well?
fierce star
yoda's basically gandalf and gandalf is super journies, so
velvet raft
Gandalf is nowhere near as cynical and manipulative as Yoda :P
fierce star
like they aren't 1:1, yoda refuses to be the one doing the call to adventure that gandalf does, but
they're dark mirrors of each other I feel like, literarily speaking
velvet raft
But yeah, Luke Journeys, Obi-Wan Secrets, Vader Battles, Yoda Journeys would be my take
fierce star
Palpatine?
tulip folio
Palpatine is, like Kylo Ren, an infernal imo. He's defined by his hatred, his negative emotions.
And he fuels himself with them.
velvet raft
The Emperor could be Endings
fierce star
maybe a sidereal warlock?
velvet raft
But really, the Emperor could just as easily not map to an exalt at all
In the OT he's just sorta this ... inexplicable evil wizard.
He doesn't have a name, and seems wholly driven by malice.
Dude's the Ebon Dragon
Or well, yeah, Sid Warlock
Sworn to the Ebon Dragon?
prisma sun
All Palpatine does is shoot lightning in the original movies
so like, anyone who can do that
buoyant summit
Luke *as* his hand is getting cut off
Said Journeys Sid lmao
Fuck this one doesn't have the names
There we go
If you know enough about three of these characters you know exactly why their hairstyle is a giant white mohawk
nova yew
Y’know what that’s fair
nova yew
Alison:3
buoyant summit
The same three characters? Also Elrics
nova yew
See I don’t know what that means
buoyant summit
Elric of Melnibone is a seminal (don't anyone dare) pulp fantasy hero created by writer Michael Moorcock, whose writings have had an outsized impact on the various fantasy subgenres
buoyant summit
See I don’t know what that means
You know Delilah's A Bloody Hand?
She is very much an Elric
nova yew
I see I see
buoyant summit
The Classic Elric is cursed with a great and violent destiny and a lot of the time (though not always) a terrible and awesome sword
Their writ is to do violence upon the world and themselves to maintain the balance between law and chaos, saving the world while dooming themselves to a life of ignominy, persecution, and pain
The most popular modern incarnations of this kind of character are deconstructions, like Allison and Incubus in KSBD
fierce star
man I am going to have some fun combos with first pulse and dreaming pearl courtesan on this character
in particular this
"how much damage are you doing" "All of it"
buoyant summit
As a fighty Endings Sid should I max both Dex and my MA?
chilly sluice
Generally yes
buoyant summit
No Idea
fierce star
is fighting your Primary Character Thing?
buoyant summit
Mostly
fierce star
or is fighting a thing you do to help you do your primary character thing?
also: are you using any alternative character progression systems
these are all important questions
buoyant summit
Tru
fierce star
howe er if the latter is 'no' then definitely go 5/5/1
scaling XP for character progression but flat resoruces for chargen is a special kind of optimization hell
buoyant summit
What sucks is I both want her to know multiple (two) sword arts, but I also want her to be a spy
fierce star
well, max your primary MA but only invest in the second MA what you immediately need for charms
velvet raft
As a fighty Endings Sid should I max both Dex and my MA?
Unless you're planning on using substitutions, yes, absolutely
buoyant summit
Using 11 Bonus Points to get these totals
velvet raft
What sucks is I both want her to know multiple (two) sword arts, but I *also* wa...
So the good news here is that a lot of Sid stealth is weird conceptual/memory-manipulation stuff, so unless you want that you don't need to go all that deep into it. Soft Presence Practice is the one you absolutely want.
Picking up at least some dodge is probably wise
fierce star
duck fate is just too handy
buoyant summit
This is a very amateurish rogue sid so I don't imagine their command of the more mindbending shit is too good
velvet raft
Like, it is plausible for a Sid with physical stealth skills only to only get Soft Presence Practice
Something possibly worth noting is that Sids get outsize benefits for having abilities at 3 and at 5
buoyant summit
Their most Sid quality is 'how tf did this serving girl from a family that were retainers to a now deposed city-state tyranny learn two fucking martial arts in five years?'
velvet raft
Due to opening up target number manipulation via the excellency
Other exalts have tons of dice tricks — sids have excellencies with target number manipulation. Shit's wild.
fierce star
... I forgot that if yout ake any damage to any -4 health levels while in gazellecarp you die forever
buoyant summit
this is their attribute spread
fierce star
god that's actually fucking ass given it's an unarmored form,t hough youc an get ot medium artifact equivalent
velvet raft
Rock solid
A lot of sid charms really love Charisma or Manipulation
Stuff you might not expect
The best soak charm sids have is probably Hero's Iron Skin, a Presence charm which scales with Charisma. Love that.
fierce star
ugh and infernal's ox-body is -4 heavy, and...
how woudl that stack with devilb odies anyway
do I devil body before I vanishf rom reality?
fierce star
time to ask the GM lol
velvet raft
Yep
bleak hazel
Using 11 Bonus Points to get these totals
It is not at all abnormal for a Sid to spend all 15 bonus points on more ability dots
I usually either do that or 12 on dots, 3 on bumping up an attribute
re: character inspiration, in my book the archetypical Sidereal is Gandalf
velvet raft
I've started to spend every possible point on ability dots on basically every ability-based exalt I play around with
velvet raft
If you spend it on a tertiary, it's 3
bleak hazel
both in mode of operation and in the relative abstractness and eclectic nature of his magic
buoyant summit
Fuck meeeeeee
bleak hazel
why would you make a fightsid and not buy Dex 5 with the normal dots?
velvet raft
Note that from an XP-efficiency perspective, higher dot values at character creation are more valuable
velvet raft
I would suggest dropping Stamina to 3 and getting those 4 bonus points back
bleak hazel
yeah
velvet raft
3/5/3 is a classic spread
bleak hazel
those 4 bonus points are becoming about 10xp if you're playing flat XP, which you should
spending them on ability dots gets you somewhere between 12 and 20xp of stuff
also having more good excellencies is big for Sidereals
the Sid excellency at max power is basically the equivalent of anyone else's excellency + first powerup charm in any given ability
buoyant summit
With these dots I am tempted to make Awareness, Integrity, and Stealth 5
bleak hazel
and even at essence 1 it's only slightly worse than a Solar/Lunar max excellency for half the cost
velvet raft
(Flat XP disincentivizes the kind of stupid spreads I do all the time with lots of 5s and lots of 1s)
velvet raft
Yeah, figured
bleak hazel
I'd go Cha 1 for more Manip or App here, Cha doesn't do anything unless you have charms hanging off it
and you aren't invested in Presence
buoyant summit
fair
bleak hazel
also, if you want to be the god of swords, you may want to consider either faving melee or starting with dots + the versatile charms you want so you never have to touch it again
Harmony of Blows at least, it's only 3 dots in and it's amazing
velvet raft
It is worth noting that a ton of Sid charms run off of Charisma
But generally Big Number more valuable than Medium Number
fierce star
man. Why does Gazellecarp even have this rider.
bleak hazel
yeah, Rival's build works off hanging 1000 things on Cha and then maxing it
velvet raft
Dreaming Pearl Courtesan is a weird style
bleak hazel
but if you're not doing that I'd skip it
velvet raft
Design-wise, I mean
fierce star
yeah. Just, the capstone having a 'you die, do not pass go, do not collect devil-body unless the GM is being very nice to you' is, for an infernal, very, uh. very not?
very not.
velvet raft
If I were running I'd probably say it only effects your final -4 health level but
buoyant summit
also Misc idk if I can afford 3 dots in melee cuz between EB and VBOS that's like
velvet raft
And that Devil Body supersedes that
velvet raft
Or even just drop the weird rider
bleak hazel
do you need Medicine for anything? leaving caste at 0 is cheap
velvet raft
If you're on your last -4 you're in bad enough shape that the instant death clause feels kinda pointless
bleak hazel
suffers no XP inefficiencies for being raised later
fierce star
yeah
buoyant summit
Cloak Trick, two Ox-Bodys, the 4 EB charms and at least two VBOS is 9 charms
And only one of those is a util charm lmao
fierce star
Just don't get hit and you never need an oxbody
GM has ruled it is 'any -4' and the reasonable thing to do is just don't take gazellecarp
so givne it's reasonable to tell someone not to take the capstone of their primary MA, I'm going to look for a different MA
buoyant summit
Bruh
velvet raft
so givne it's reasonable to tell someone not to take the capstone of their prima...
Frustrating, but what about the Division of Serenity style?
Or Laughing Monster?
Actually Laughing Monster could be a very good thematic fit given its fey origins
fierce star
where's these two at again?
bleak hazel
Rival is actually way less invested in combat than your swordsid but his build only really comes online at E2
buoyant summit
Isn't he Battles Sid????
bleak hazel
and he wants to split investment between fight and craft/presence
yes, he is
although he's kind of the 21st Endings because he wants half red and half blue charms
Endings are generally easier to build because their caste ability spread is godlike
fierce star
also do either allow for improvised weapons?
ugh. I am suddenly much less interested in this character, tbh.
velvet raft
It uses batons, parasols, and war fans, typically wielded in combination. Appropriately sized string instruments such as ouds or lutes count as batons.
It is a very defensive/counterattack-oriented style
fierce star
bleh
velvet raft
Laughing Monster is ... Lunars?
fierce star
yeah I found laughing monster, it's lunars fangs
velvet raft
reveals heelies
fierce star
lol
I'm really looking for other improvised weapon styles is the big thing
I was really liking the gap moe potential of dreaming pearl courtesan plus first pulse
bleak hazel
you are unfortunately mostly stuck with Falcon + DPC
velvet raft
A lot of improvised weapon tech is in brawl
But obviously Infernal Brawl has a very specific vibe
fierce star
and not many (any?) versatile charms
wait falcon uses improvised?
medium or heavy bashing improvised
well that'sf air
velvet raft
Yeah, Versatile only shows up for Abyssals and Infernals on their substitution charms
Otherwise it's a Sid thing
dense verge
one thing i want is for violet bier of sorrows to have like. gardening implements as style weapons. like, an awl, trowel, the little hand rake thing. i vaguely (mis?)remember it being learned by monks and such. plus, endings, gardening and all that
fierce star
yeah I don't think brawl fits what I want here, at least in general. I'm thinking going from flowing elegance into calculated brutality.
ugh. I might go with my other stupid idea, I guess; impervious sphere of water, sail charms and tentacles, take the mutations to be a full on mermaid, and have a blood ape princess carry me around
it's probably the easier build
'the easier build', I say. 12 dots of mutations I say.
buoyant summit
lol
Also eyyyy I got into the other Monday game I applied to
Does Sid Linguistics have good spy charms?
velvet raft
Something I like about alchemicals is that by locating so many upgrades in submodules, they suffer far less from purchasing non-favored charms
They still eat the cost but with a lot of charms they can eat that cost just once and then upgrade it a lot
bleak hazel
sid linguistics is not particularly sneaky, unfortunately
it does have Combat Polycule as the capstone, which can let you spend a disgusting amount of juice without flaring, but that's about it
bleak hazel
one dot is cheap
velvet raft
Burn Life is really good on a high-strength sid who's not wearing armor
Especially if the special activation condition on their form charm is far-fetched
buoyant summit
Eebs is 'land a decisive that deals damage'
Oh shit
I have just read Even Blade's I think one Mastery effect
bleak hazel
Rival has Burn Life + Expected Pain mostly so he can reflexive combo form in the event of surprise trouble
buoyant summit
Its only E1 mastery effect
bleak hazel
honestly having that and the melee-Crane sidestep might be overindulgent
buoyant summit
Which is 'lmao I can change forms reflexively eat my ass'
bleak hazel
only between its own subforms
buoyant summit
Ye, but its subforms do radically different things
At least some of them
I am being recommended google spider of course lmao
velvet raft
Finally, a search engine that I feel okay doing queries in the form of a question with
buoyant summit
lol
god part of me wants to be a shithead and do a bit
And have my character ask questions but like it's Jeopardy?
And the spider goes 'what is x'
velvet raft
Step 1: Don't favor Dexterity or Wits
Step 2: Take 12 Dexterity and Wits charms
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit
buoyant summit
lol
next delta
Think of the small amount of XP you are saving?
chilly sluice
do Infernals actually have a Limit equivalent again this time?
ruby geyser
they fully have Limit
velvet raft
Think of the small amount of XP you are saving?
Like 8 whole points!
buoyant summit
My Endings Sid has a Specialty of Awareness (Premonitions)
Which I think has the potential to be quite funny
velvet raft
@tulip folio I noticed a stupid combo
You can turn your machine spirit familiars into ammo
buoyant summit
Shit the group is using Unified XP
So I can't get all my shit as high as I want it
velvet raft
Unified XP?
next delta
<@248315253027373057> I noticed a stupid combo
Sorcerers who summon demon bodyguards hate this one weird trick
buoyant summit
Unified XP?
optional rule in Crucible
velvet raft
Ah
next delta
Is that the one that unifies build points and XP? And I think makes XP costs less quadratic?
buoyant summit
Changes the XP costs for things and gives you 55 xp instead of bonus points
velvet raft
Aha
buoyant summit
next delta
On the bright side, you aren't as incentivized to create characters with bizarrely lopsided attributes
velvet raft
Yeah, that's probably an objectively good thing
It does mean that an ability-only character can only start with 13 extra dots of abilities instead of 15 😩
But it also makes things less lopsided in general
And makes taking non-caste/favored ability dots less punishing
bleak hazel
charms being 10 rather than 8 is a bit of a motherfucker
does it put splat + normal XP into a common pool?
wise ocean
Can you not buy non-caste/favored charms with XP at all?
bleak hazel
+2xp surcharge, same as usual
next delta
The normal amount was 5? Plus up to 5 splat-XP?
bleak hazel
5 and then 2-4 splat XP, usually
marsh garden
Changes the XP costs for things and gives you 55 xp instead of bonus points
my group is doing the same lol
this gets me more starting gubbins than i'd otherwise have, though
so yippee
marsh garden
(and also apparently it unfucks the way buying attributes to 5 works)
velvet raft
Notably the XP spent numbers do look like they speed up progression to essence 2, but then keep it the same to Essence 3 and slow it down to Essence 4
next delta
velvet raft
Which I can get behind, honestly
velvet raft
I kinda enjoy it because I like toying with extremely kludgy systems, but it is an extremely kludgy system
Ye
The assumption is sorta that you spent all of your XP on native charms, and then all of your splat XP on everything else
Which ... admittedly seems kinda backwards
next delta
It is counterintuitive. They could have just renamed things, ha
fierce star
okay, how many charms in is Song of the Deep... 11 charms? And then I want some extar ichor-flux keys, so that's probably... like 13 charms spent in sail if I want to go that deep...
I may not go in that deep
may just go out to ichor-flux and grab a couple of the social charms in sail just so I can like. Have. Other things.
god I hate primordial/apocalpytic/supernal so much
velvet raft
I always pretend they're Essence+1 when fucking around
fierce star
this is for an actual game
marsh garden
I always pretend they're Essence+1 when fucking around
E+1 would make me feel less bad about only getting E2 stuff with mine lmao
velvet raft
Solaroid creation generally feels way less awful if you do it
Because you lack these strong incentives to go 13 charms deep into a tree
marsh garden
i am also suffering from a hubris of my own design
fierce star
which, at least infernal sail has cool stuff other than Boat Better
marsh garden
the castes i think are a narrative fit are extremely oppositional to the ones i think are a mechanical fit for the rest of the fluff i want
velvet raft
Perhaps of note, there's still incentives for weird dot placements, especially for attribute exalts, who come out of this like bandits
buoyant summit
shrugs
velvet raft
Much more favorable pricing on abilities and attributes alike
Yeah, I'm just thinking about it
I like it as a change
fierce star
Infernal Sail: "WE ARE THE DAMNED" (Positive, Horny, Self-affirming, hungry)
Abyssal Sail: "We are the DAMNED" (Negative, depressed, denying, also hungry)
marsh garden
i appreciate that abyssal sail is 50% day ruining and 50% aura farming
lament owl
cursed idea: You have heard of ability exalts, you have heard of attribute exalts
get ready for: Derived charecteristic exalt
lament owl
Exalt with charm trees for
Evasion
Parry
Guile
Resolve
Willpower(not a derived charecteristic but their invited)
Soak
Hardness
buoyant summit
Decisive Attack
lament owl
Join Battle
Read Intentions
Spot
velvet raft
Pondering writing a thing
lament owl
alternative Evil homebrew Idea:
Mage The Awakening(Mechanically) Exalt
You just have an extra category of dice pool that your charms and excellencies key off
velvet raft
Just throwing a bunch of OCs together in the Scavenger Lands
velvet raft
Exalts
I feel like a circle comprised of a sid, an alchemical, an abyssal, an infernal, and a lunar would be amusing
lament owl
everybody invited
lament owl
😭
velvet raft
Treehouse with a sign that says "no girls solars allowed"
lament owl
alternative Evil homebrew Idea:
Mage The Awakening(Mechanically) Exalt
You just ...
I am thinking about this now, this shit would be weird
All of their charms require some sort of roll, and their excellency is 2-1 dice or 1-1 automatic successes but can only be used on charms
lament owl
Treehouse with a sign that says "no ~~girls~~ solars allowed"
are solars girl coded.....
velvet raft
Wouldn't that be deebs
velvet raft
Hm. With a Dusk, an Endings, a Nadir, and a Jade caste, do we need a Changing Moon or a No Moon ...
Probably No Moon
fierce star
The Most Divorced Infernal might be getting more divorced; I think her sorceorus initiation is going to be Bargain with Mara
velvet raft
BWAHAHAHAHA
fierce star
and having ANYTHING to do with ebby automatically increments one's divorce-o-meter
velvet raft
This is true
fierce star
Ebby: "I like this divorcee, go send my granddaughter to teach her how to fuck cast spells"
velvet raft
Can someone remind me how the Immaculate Faith tends to treat orichalcum artifacts/objects?
nova yew
i think theyd be...wary but okay with keeping them around?
are dragon bloods dissonant with orichalcum?
cus they do seem fine with keeping around first age weaponry n shit
and most warstriders are orichalcum right?
velvet raft
Nah, plenty of non-orichalcum warstriders
Of the ones in Arms, I think we've got 2 jade, 3 orichalcum, and 1 moonsilver
And that's not representative
nova yew
i see i see
well
i imagine they're.....wary but not gonna dispose of it or anything
maybe im wrong though
bleak hazel
Peleps Deled carries an orichalcum spear around
they're fine with 'em, although they do guard known deposits because Solars use them
coral wraith
Pondering what a sorcerous martial art centred around Incomparable Body Arsenal would look like
I think being Celestial Circle it'd have to have more juice around it
Almost like a mini SMA
velvet raft
Pondering what a sorcerous martial art centred around Incomparable Body Arsenal ...
The good news is that I think we're likely to get one when the book releases
Since they mention it specifically in the preview
That could be more of a general mention but
buoyant summit
Thinking of asking my GM to let me use the evos of the Starmetal staff in arms of the chosen for a daiklave
buoyant summit
Cuz Gnomon looks
~ F u c k i n g H i l a r i o u s ~
gnomon is a clever name
speaking of
it's the part of a sundial that casts a shadow
And gnomon, the staff, hides you from time
buoyant summit
lol
bleak hazel
gnomon is notoriously busted, yeah
same as Shining Ice Mirror and the Heaven and Earth Gauntlets
buoyant summit
Well
Fuck
xD
Man what's an artful way to word a specialty for Larceny (B&E)
Burglary?
XD
velvet raft
The H&E gauntlets are funny because it's really just their overpowered attunement bonus
coral wraith
The good news is that I think we're likely to get one when the book releases
You reckon? I feel like its more examples but idk
bleak hazel
The H&E gauntlets are funny because it's really just their overpowered attunemen...
also the clash charm
velvet raft
True, and the two synergize
lament owl
hey so
super duper random
who can make a liminal?
coral wraith
me
velvet raft
Not really clear
coral wraith
uhh im not sure tho
lament owl
damn
velvet raft
Probably any jerk, but afaict never really on purpose
buoyant summit
I keep picking overpowered fucking artifacts <XD
coral wraith
I keep picking overpowered fucking artifacts <XD
the sid book artifacts are good 
buoyant summit
I just want a starmetal sword and not to have to make up evos for one 
velvet raft
A tale of two cities ... (Sijan and Lookshy)
velvet raft
I just want a starmetal sword and not to have to make up evos for one <:sadcowbo...
I think adapting Waymakers from the sid book has a lot of potential for a sword. Maybe take a look at those?