#Exalted

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nova yew
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now
"will your game engage with this"
id normally default to no but clearly due to the presence of selective conception in the corebook i almost feel like there was an expectation to create children during the course of a game

prisma sun
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looks like he crawled out of the dumpster

nova yew
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which is

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wild

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lmao

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yeah it really does look like that

prisma sun
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I mean yeah

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There's a demon you can have a threeway with to have a f/f or m/m child that is 100% biologically yours

velvet raft
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I'mma be honest, I think Selective Conception is mostly there because the original devs were weird fuckin' people

prisma sun
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And everyone knows that exists

nova yew
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or at least

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that is what he called it

tulip folio
prisma sun
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If you are a lesbian dragonblood everyone is going to be like "so when are you going to get the pregnancy demon around"

nova yew
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LMAO

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is the demon provided by the state or do you have to find a fuckin sorcerer

prisma sun
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latter

nova yew
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..."fuckin sorcerer" is apt i guess

prisma sun
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you're rich, pay for your pregnancy demon

nova yew
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thanks
developers

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yeah you are royalty

velvet raft
tulip folio
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Shining Nephrite was born under odd stars. Among other things, one of her mothers cannot give birth to anything save stonework. The child of a Dragonblooded sorcerer and an Artisan of the Mountain Folk that dwell deep beneath the imperial manse, she was formed for her mothers by Neomah hands under the sign of the Peacock.

Nephreite's early life was difficult, to say the least. Her nature as not-entirely-human made her insulting to the Immaculate Philosophy and one cannot escape it when born on the Blessed Isle. Her dragonblooded mother, Mnemon Meng, helped salve concerns with a mixture of political pressure and quiet implication that the jade-skinned girl had impeccable earth breeding and would one day prove to be a powerful asset for her family.

However, as she grew, her mothers became more and more worried about her. She saw spiders in the corner of her room and strange connections formed before her eyes. Her Mountain Folk mother worried, becoming depressed that her nature might have made her daughter vulnerable to the madness of the Void Seers. Nephrite was often reduced to tears, flinching in fear from spiders that only she could see or running screaming about a death that she thought was coming.

And then, one day, she went weeping for her Dragonblooded mother and found she was a stranger to the woman. Everything broke around her and she lashed out, smashing one of the spiders around her to the ground and into visibility. Her mountain folk mother's eyes widened...these were spiders she knew. Creations of the Great Maker.

By the time the Bureau of Destiny came for her, they found a furious artisan shouting that the Great Geas can allow them to extort *some* creations from her people but her daughter is beyond even that. She would give them a host of artifacts if they would simply renounce their claim on her daughter.

The remorseful monk told her that no matter how much they would like to accept that, they could not. Being chosen by the maidens was her destiny.

My character had the advantage that one of her mums was a sorcerer.

velvet raft
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Solars are also the only splat who have Sex Charms

nova yew
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ONLY SOLARS???

prisma sun
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WELL KINDA

nova yew
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what the FUCK

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merry arch
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lmao

prisma sun
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Lunars can fuck you to steal your face

nova yew
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it's only 9 in the abyssals book!!!

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velvet raft
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There are lots of charms which can be used in a sex context

nova yew
velvet raft
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But Solars have charms that are explicitly for sex and nothing else

nova yew
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okay

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wow

velvet raft
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And ages ago, ages ago, there was a preview of some Abyssal charms by the original devs which (this is bad) ||included a rape charm||

nova yew
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WOW

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YOU'RE RIGHT

prisma sun
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I am fine with some sex charms tbh

nova yew
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SOLARS HAVE AN ENTIRE SEX SECTION FOR PERFORMANCE CHARMS

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AND ABYSSALS GET NONE?

wise ocean
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It's just historical accuracy

buoyant summit
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btw what's the meaning of 'Roseblack'?

velvet raft
buoyant summit
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Like what deed got Ejava that sobriquet lol

prisma sun
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why is this the art for the sex section

nova yew
nova yew
merry arch
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look core is bad

velvet raft
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Again, original devs

nova yew
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gjhdsjfgads]

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thats fair

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the serious answer is i dont care

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but also

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thats really funny

wise ocean
velvet raft
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merry arch
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anyways im making the most assmad azimuth ever. deposed bastard piece of shit prince that got thrown in jail and forgotten about. buddy rotted in his unfettered hatred for his captors there for [insert period of time here] until he heard the whispers of the yozis, accepted their gifts and got forcefemmed about it by the chrysalis as part of a joke or confusion on her new masters' part. whatever the reason, she doesn't care. gender is a fuck anyways. it doesn't matter. she's fuming about being deposed, saying "im not owned! im not owned" while gathering a horde conquer the kingdom that was supposed to be his

nova yew
wise ocean
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what's her shaping defense

merry arch
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working on that part

prisma sun
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The Yozis turned her ass into a corn cob

merry arch
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yup

velvet raft
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Tanith Lee has I think still been cited as an inspiration for most books, but she's not nearly so central.

prisma sun
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Also I do think Roseblack is just "because she's a Wood aspect and it sounds cool"

velvet raft
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(I have read a bit of Tanith Lee, she's fine, she's from an older era of romantasy which was way weirder.)

prisma sun
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are you sure

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cuz I think romantasy has been sorta plateued for weird

velvet raft
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It was much more gonzo than the current stuff

wise ocean
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it's a weird epithet indeed, the only result I can find for it is her so it's not like it's referencing something

prisma sun
nova yew
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god damnit voy

lament owl
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What splat is the most dangerous crow boy

wise ocean
# prisma sun

A dangerous crowform Full Moon whose job it is to destroy plastic becomes obsessed with you.

nova yew
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im getting the feeling its fae but- oh yeah lunar would work huh

mighty rover
wise ocean
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"destroy all plastic" is a principle I could actually see a lunar having

merry arch
# nova yew omg forcefem infernal

she's the fucking worst. insufferable bitch that is absolutely basking in the newfound power she has over vast swathes of hell because she had the indignity of being imprisoned for like. a few years and deprived of luxuries. how dare they

tulip folio
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😛

wise ocean
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... alchs have sex?

prisma sun
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Fist robot girls I guess

velvet raft
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Alchs are not robots

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They are fashioned from clay and magical materials but their baseline bodies are pretty much human

wise ocean
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Yoko Taro, where are you? What did you do? I just want to talk.

nova yew
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ive seen what people do with robots on bsky

tulip folio
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Thousandfold Courtesan Calculations

buoyant summit
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Okay I'm stupid, how does Evasion work and what does it apply to

nova yew
buoyant summit
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Cuz it doesn't subtract attack dice

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wut it do

velvet raft
buoyant summit
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gk...

tulip folio
buoyant summit
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OHHHHHHHHH

velvet raft
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Yeah it's the DC

tulip folio
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So they need 3 successes to hit an evasion 3 guy

buoyant summit
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I'm Fuckin Stoooopid

velvet raft
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You can use either evasion or parry for most attacks, but some attacks are unblockable or undodgeable but not the other

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Perfect defenses will bypass said restriction, but they have limited uses per scene

wise ocean
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are all perfect defenses Melee or do some pop up in Resistance?

tulip folio
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There's some in dodge

wise ocean
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predictably, I think all perfect dodges are dodge

tulip folio
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Perfects turn up a few places but generally they're Melee, Dodge or Dexterity (If you're a non-ability-based exalt)

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Alchs have a semi-perfect soak in stamina

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Toad (iirc) is a martial arts perfect soak

velvet raft
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Resistance, Dodge, Dexterity, Melee, usually

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There might be some others in Sids, I can't remember and sids are weird

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Toad is a very strange style

tulip folio
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Yeah, there we go. The Mastery for the Capstone of Toad

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prisma sun
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Sids have the Dead Wife Defense

velvet raft
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Note that the charm's duration is normally "until someone finds the achilles heel"

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Oh, yeah, Brawl sometimes has them too

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Sid Brawl has unusually strong defense for Brawl

buoyant summit
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Man it is so fucking hard to divorce water from the Moon

velvet raft
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No the Moon is married to Gaia, not water

tulip folio
buoyant summit
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I

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I meant

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For like

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Writing this character <XD

bleak hazel
buoyant summit
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That's

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So fucking funny?

bleak hazel
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and then later it became her badass military leader sobriquet

tulip folio
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The wonders of 'No Soldier Gets A Cool Nickname.'

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Hers is only cool if you don't know the context

buoyant summit
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Also the Deeb game I'm in is running a secondary school Heptagram game

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And I am still trying to pick a spell for this Even Blade water stylist xD

tulip folio
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I like the water bubble one.

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It's a very good anti-ranged attacks defence

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And if it's your control, you can move in it.

buoyant summit
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I'm tempted by it

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and can stunt it into letting my elemental bolt attack do lethal by pulling a Katara

fierce star
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i do want to play my ledaal elemental bolt attacker one day. Her backstory is fun.

buoyant summit
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I have elemental bolt mostly because I find most actual sorcery attack options lackluster

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or too much to faff with

fierce star
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you can't really go wrong with having doob at least

buoyant summit
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doob?

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Death of Obsidian Butterflies

buoyant summit
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Ahhh

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The famous “fuck this room” spell

buoyant summit
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It would be very funny to make that my control and just have it be

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'fuck it, I have frozen the moisture in the air into needles'

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'good luck'

fierce star
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'also my nails are FABULOUS'

velvet raft
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Invulnerable Skin of Bronze is an easy default pick if you genuinely do not like anything else

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Since the control effect is just +essence soak

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Stormwind Rider is another one, similarly because the control effect lets you do cool bullet jumps

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OH Thunder Wolf Howl is rad

next delta
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She can always tell what realm of existence she’s in.
I feel like most of the time this is very obvious >.>

mighty rover
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important for when you wake up on a deserted island

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and you know not on what sea

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ignore the robots

prisma sun
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Well buildings can look like anything

buoyant summit
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me when I can't steal Init with Elegant Flowing 😔

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If I had Essence 3 this gigantes BG would be down an initiative and not hitting me

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I am saddo

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XD

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I’m looking at Mists of Eventide as my Infernal’s Control

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Most bc sending people into the Soul-World/Dream Realm that i am making the Lotus Feasting Hall

tulip folio
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Mists is quite powerful but fun.

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It seems like that and Summon First Circle, maybe peacock eyes?

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Good spread

tulip folio
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Hmmm...I should figure out a control for my Infernal Witch.

mighty rover
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why isn't Beloved Adorei the most popular character in the game. i've found literally one piece of fanart. it doesn't make sense

nova yew
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That’s the sentient sword right? The one that gets jealous a lil if you use another sword?

mighty rover
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Yes

lament owl
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The sentient sword that is in love with you

nova yew
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Good

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I love her

mighty rover
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That's like a slam dunk right

nova yew
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Is the sword like…is that a human soul or is it just a sword’s spirit

lament owl
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But she doesn’t feel like she can be your partner because she is a sword

nova yew
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Is it made of jade or did the sword just get that much essence

mighty rover
nova yew
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Shes just built different

lament owl
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He proceeded to get into trouble with the sword

nova yew
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Lmao

lament owl
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And by get into trouble I mean he seduced the sword

lament owl
nova yew
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Oh okay

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That makes sense

lament owl
# nova yew I love her

Karen she is so in love with you but feels that she cannot ask for too much because she is an inanimate sword and then she has a ultimate ability where she swears wedding vows to you mid combat while burning her essence hard enough to let you defeat basically anything at which point she dies and leaves it just a normal artifact sword

But if you reforge the blade, a process which can be accelerated by writing poems and notes about how much you love and miss her and adding them to the fire you can bring her back

nova yew
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That’s a god damn slam dunk

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You gotta treat that sword right

lament owl
# nova yew You gotta treat that sword right

I think it adds a lot that she is a sword

Not a repurposed previous mind, this swords spirit was created from the ground up to be a sapient sword spirit

And then she became a romantic

nova yew
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That adds so much

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That’s a sword that full on fell in love

nova yew
lament owl
nova yew
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I love her

velvet raft
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It occurs to me that just as Burn Life can be fueled by getting sick on purpose, Someone Else's Destiny can be fueled by poisoning oneself

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nova yew
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I’m reading about house ledaal and uh

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Uhm

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Wow

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I seriously did not know that thorns was one of their satrapies before I made a former ledaal dynast who became an abyssal under the mask of winters.

That was-I did not know that

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That’s SO fucking funny oh my god

fierce star
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lol

nova yew
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I mean it’s fitting, her bizarre maladjusted grudge towards her family certainly helped when she was slaughter ledaal dragon bloods during the invasion but

Wow
Lmao

fierce star
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somtimes you just make a great coincidence

nova yew
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Yeah genuinely

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Peak

buoyant summit
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So I'm giving my character a black jade version of Shining Ice Mirror that Deebs can gain the attunement bonus for (gain full defense at no cost when you aim)

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the first charm in Even Blade, the character's martial arts style, lets you reflexively aim and reflexively move towards who ur aiming at

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'hi bitch'

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'wh-'

bleak hazel
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Shining Ice Mirror is generally regarded as a bit cracked for this reason, yeah

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core artifacts in general are a bit wonky, the bow has a casual "press button to gain 15 init" option as its only evocation

buoyant summit
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lmao wtf

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Also I swear

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I did not know this combo until I picked both cuz they were thematic and then read the attunement bonus

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and went

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'Oh'

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Also with this character I am allowing One Outfit Anachronism for their otherwise Mongolian/Yuan-style outfit

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sleeved cloak :3

velvet raft
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Hm, Crystal Chameleon works very nicely with Exalt Ways from PAoC

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Since it's one of the best ways to maintain your anima at exactly where you want it

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It also makes Invincible Essence Mantle effectively free

bleak hazel
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downside is that PAOC wants to keep you maxed out and CrCham wants to spend your anima

velvet raft
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The pinnacle charm for Crystal Chameleon does stick you at bonfire as long as you maintain it

velvet raft
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Huh, I'd never noticed what a strong dip Empowering Justice Redirection is

buoyant summit
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I am toying with the idea of making a sorcerous relic

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and having one of its shaping rituals be, instead of an increase in sorcerous mote gain

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the ability to generate sorcerous motes for use with other charms, at a steeper cost

velvet raft
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That might be more fitting as a merit, but there is precedent for something like it

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Witch-Beast Pact lets your familiar power their charms and abilities with your sorcerous motes

buoyant summit
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Huh, cool

velvet raft
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Powering the relic’s own evocations would definitely be on theme

bleak hazel
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sorcerous motes spent on native charms is probably a no-go, but running the relic itself is way easier to balance

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i kinda love that infernals have a charm to get more Cult Per Cult

buoyant summit
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lmao

buoyant summit
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hello everyone im doing silly things

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at what dots dya'll think i should cost a Dream Manse in Hell (kinda)

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im mostly finding ways to blend together a lot of ideas for my Layabout Prince and having a hearthstone that opens up a gate to Dreams (and as she grows, into her Inner World)

fierce star
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well the big answer is 'what hearthstone do you want'

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in which case it's 3 dot ofr a lesser for 5 dot for a greater. I realize this is boring

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oh wait I can read

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hmm

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oh that boring answer solves the problem

fierce star
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lol

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5 dot?

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5 dot and im gonna keep cooking

fierce star
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hell yeah

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love a 5 dot manse

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The Lotus Feasting Hall

fierce star
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I miss ex2's manse building rules

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me too a little bit

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but im thinking about a 5-Dot Manse and then making my infernals Inner World 5 Dot Manse (Bloodborne Nightmare Ver)

fierce star
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👀

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The night never ends! (you shall never see the sun nor stars again)
The party never stops! (you shall dance til your feet are broken)
The wine always flows! (when did it become blood?)
The laughter ever echoes! (madmen clutch their head and scream, as eyes germinate on the inside)

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The Lotus Feasting Hall Welcomes You
(come, and see the shape of Divinity)

tulip folio
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I do hope we get some 'customise a manse' stuff in the future

bleak hazel
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Today, on "Misc finds fun Sid stuff he hadn't previously appreciated the merits of" - Sky-and-Rain Mantra, in Survival

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one fairly niche prereq, requires Survival 3

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pay 5 motes to change the weather as a Simple action

buoyant summit
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Wow

bleak hazel
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takes a few hours to change a sunny blue sky to a howling thunderstorm after using the charm, but it's only diff 5 to do so and as such a relatively uninvested Sid with say, Stam 3 Survival 3 can throw 9 motes and probably pass it

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tons of uses for that

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if you have the full 5/5 pool and you full excellency, that's a 21 mile diameter thunderstorm on average, lasting at least a day

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honestly you could probably fuck up a small country pretty badly just by hanging around and dropping that on it regularly

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sorry, no crops for you

prisma sun
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Only takes a couple days for flooding

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hehehe yaaaay

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no one should let this awful girltwink have any of these things

tulip folio
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How's this read as an NPC Training Charm? I'm working on a demon!

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Chains of Fortune (5m per dot, 1wp; Simple, Eclipse, Essence 1): The Novena grants a character up to (Essence) dots of Attributes, Abilities or Merits. These dots are not freely given and must be paid for with experience, though they are granted instantly. 

The target cannot go into experience debt but the Novena can reduce Attributes, Abilities or Merits the target has to pay for the new dots. The Novena must reduce at least one dot, even if the character has experience to pay for the new dots but may not otherwise reduce more dots than is required to pay for the cost of increasing these dots and any excess experience remaining is returned to the character.

The character must be entirely willing and aware that there is a cost, though they need not know the specifics of the cost, with those affected by Psyche effects or otherwise not in control of their own actions unable to agree to such a trade.

For clarification - It's a training charm an NPC has.

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so like....

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you boost their Strength but devour their Manip?

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To pay for it?

tulip folio
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Yep!

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The demon's theme is 'You get what you want and you pay what you need'

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For every way in which a life is enhanced, it is diminished in another. A recruit who seeks to be a great warrior may find his previously sharp tongue failing him, while one who seeks great wealth may find friends and family abandoning his new miserly self. Learning of what they have lost often drives petitioners to more and more deals...giving up anything to reclaim the joys they didn't know they had until they were gone. Eventually, they may agree to a deal purely to make this end...and discover the truth about the Gaoler. The phantasmal figure is not the demon, it is one of their victims who gave up everything. The bell is the demon.
velvet raft
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“It’s my Beverly Hills rock star pad in Malfeas”

fierce star
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do Infernals get the 5 extra merit dots from belonging to an established group?

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I haven't read the stuff yet myself, haen't had a chance to back/etc

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yes they doooo

tulip folio
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Oh good. I'm always sad Lunars don't

fierce star
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lunars 🤝 solars
having to spend more BP on merit dots

buoyant summit
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lol

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don't forget inexperienced Deebs

next delta
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Silver pact should have considered being more structured if they wanted to give their lunars more merits

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Infernals seem like they get the merit dots for the least amount of strings

tulip folio
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I think for Wanderers I'll give them the 5 but with a limitation: They all have to be connected to your Touchstone. So it's 'I have friends OVER HERE' or 'I got this cool sword OVER THERE'.

merry arch
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"show up in hell, get free shit" is basically the deal

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which

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hey, i'll take it

tulip folio
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But yeah, right now - Makin' demons. Havin' fun makin' demons. In thise case Hegra demons because her themes are 'Dreams' and 'Capitalism', so she's going to have first circle demons who sell you what you want at the cost of what you need. I hope they look fun.

fierce star
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I like 'em!

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would definitely have one or two bound as a sorcerer

bleak hazel
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the 5 merit dots is affectionately referred to by some as the Imperialism Payout

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so in the case of Infernals it's a cut in the myriad despotates of hell

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When the sun sets, the hearthstone may be placed upon a gate- opening a way into the Lotus Feasting Hall within Malfeas. This circumvents the 5-day travel it would normally take to enter Malfeas, but any attempt to leave the Lotus Feasting Hall for the Demon City instead strands you in Cecelyne.
okay hi drafting hearthstone

nova yew
fierce star
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most exalts get those 5 to spend on a limited list of merits

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all the mainlines except solars and lunars

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provided you belong to said group--independent abyssals, wandering star sidereals, machine saint alchemicals etc don't

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even a few types of exigent get it

nova yew
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Yipeeee

tulip folio
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Alchemicals: "We have lend lease artifacts."

fierce star
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like sovereigns

nova yew
fierce star
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god I can't say how much I love sovereigns

nova yew
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Knight errant abyssals don’t get an allowance :))

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must keep cookin

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oops you didn't leave the party-palace in time welcome to the cult

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its cult or desert those are your two choices

prisma sun
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what's it gonna be

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cult (COLT)

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or desert (DESSERT)

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Santa is a Serenity Sid right

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anyways!

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probably

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but

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the basic idea? of the manse/hearthstone? hopefully comes through?

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Like, the Lotus Feasting Hall is a place you go in Hell to party, the Hearthstone lets you invite Creation-bound into the party, but might trap them there if they overstay

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probably? good? at 5 points?

fierce star
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I think it works!

prisma sun
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Isn't not-bypassing the 5 day trek like a hard setting rule

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; w; party hall.......

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(i know it probably is which is why i want to trap people in it and have them End Up In Cecelyne Anyway if you try and leave the Hall)

tulip folio
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Just warp the concept of time. Invitations arrive 5 days before you invite them.

bleak hazel
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have you considered "if you leave the manse, you find the party took exactly five days (if you leave for Malfeas) or ten days (if you leave back to Creation)"

tulip folio
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That way they arrive immediately after you invited them.

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It's how it already works for demons being summoned.

prisma sun
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Yeah I think that works

bleak hazel
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you can't do that backwards, though

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or you end up with a time travel machine

prisma sun
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So?

bleak hazel
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you can invite people from Malfeas to Creation five days in advance of when you send the invitation, but you cannot do the reverse without breaking everything, and this manse is in Malfeas

prisma sun
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You can totally do it in reverse without breaking everything

bleak hazel
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so I'm in malfeas, I invite someone in Creation to come to my house, he gets that invitation five days in the past and nods to his sorceror to summon a demon that night based on a prearranged plan, that demon gets the nod five days before that and now I can transmit information ten days into the past

prisma sun
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I see nothing wrong with this

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okay, so

bleak hazel
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no time travel rule is harder than the 5 day limit, because it breaks the OOC far-more-important rule of "no free backsies"

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lemme lay out the basic sketch of what im trying to get here

fierce star
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I feel like this scenario can be handwaved with 'it doesn't work like that, stop trying apply normal logic to demon bullshit' and the general assumption that you can't design away all negative play patterns

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also if it's just for one character in one game it's probably fine, unless lilah intends to publish it?

bleak hazel
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there are lots of fun ways to phrase the cecelyne limit, but I prefer to pick ones that keep with the theme of Malfeas being five days out of sync with Creation rather than a) making it abstractly wibbly wobbly timey wimey and b) breaking major setting conceits when you look at them hard

prisma sun
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I do actually like the idea of Sids or Solars crashing an eternal hell party to use the circus as a time machine

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Things I'm Working With Here

  • The Lotus Feasting Hall is the Party Place in Hell
  • I would like to make an important part of my Infernal (the venue where its murder circus happens) a little more accessible
  • I am thinking about how the Walker has a Shadowland/Manse that exists in Dreams (?) and maybe that'd be easier?
  • Currently its in Hell though and using the Hearthstone to help make it "portable"
  • The Five-Day Travel is the issue, maybe i just make the ritual of opening the Gate take five days of work?
bleak hazel
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have you considered putting the manse in Cecelyne? there are strange oasis ruins and places of rare treasure there

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it's conveniently "next to" whichever side you need it to be on when you go in, and then getting out to the other side takes five days

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either of walking or partying

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i hadn't, actually, hrmnn!

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that makes it kinda Golden Saucer, which i like

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actually thinking about it, rolling up to a town and doing 5 days of "advertising" as part of the ritual of setting up the circus, so that when it "opens" the gate is ready and there's been enough "travel"/"work" to "cross"?

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like

velvet raft
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Question: is it possible to communicate back in time to Malfeas in any way other than a demon-summoning spell?

bleak hazel
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none known, but you can pre-establish "when demon X is summoned, trigger more complicated signal Y"

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telling people the circus is coming In Five Days and then doing geomantic work to raise up a temporary version of the Hall, and on the Fifth Day the Manse Manifests and the Party Goes

bleak hazel
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so you can have a ssesseljae switchboard

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And hell and creation touch a little more than they should

prisma sun
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i don't really understand sorry voy,,,,

bleak hazel
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I think that's still allowing people to skip the trip in the way that causes time paradoxes, but if the five days work "moves" the manse from adjacent-to-malfeas to adjacent-to-creation you're all good

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literal traveling circus, it crosses the desert like a summoned demon

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and then appears on the other side of the portal you built

velvet raft
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Because I feel like if not, the answer is just kind of “something something surrender oaths” and attempting to actually communicate is fouled by the fact that Creation and Malfeas do not truly occupy the same time stream

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lemme boil around that

tulip folio
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Put it on the back of a giant beetle or something

velvet raft
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Or rather, like

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Since summoning a demon only goes one way, causation is necessarily preserved

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The surrender oaths are so powerful they can do weird shit to time, but other stuff isn’t

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i sincerely think its okay to just let Summon Demon break the rule

velvet raft
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Yeah I’m saying that

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like. the question of "how does this work" has only ever generated headaches.....

bleak hazel
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Summon Demon being the only temporal trick there is fine, since that means that regardless of what clever planning you do with Summon Demon it can't paradox you

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Malfeas is five days "behind" and getting that signal back to Creation takes five days and lines the timestream up again

velvet raft
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As long as it’s the only breach in the rule and only goes one way, there’s no problem

bleak hazel
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conveniently, you can just then stick whatever fancy stuff you want to do to the framework of a summon and it's fine

velvet raft
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“How does it work?” “Something something surrender oaths shut up”

bleak hazel
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"manse that can be summoned like a demon, press hearthstone to call"

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(manse caravan then goes trudging across the desert several days in advance)

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the Cecelyne Limit is one of my favourite things about hell, it's such a good little bit

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anyways
The bearer of the Lotus Feasting Hall's Hearthstone may undertake a ritual over the course of five nights, preparing an area's geomagical energies by twisting the local Essence with hellish energies. Upon the fifth night, the Lotus Feasting Hall emerges from the earth, having been called forth from Malfeas in the manner of a first circle demon.

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i think this is the easiest way to do it yeah

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keeps my travelling circus vibe

bleak hazel
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you don't even need the ritual to take five nights, unless you'd like it to for vibes

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as long as it works like a summon you're golden

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I do like the idea of Setting Up The Circus, though

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im really into having to Set Up The Circus

bleak hazel
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and it's fun extra downtime that everyone else in the party can use for crafting or what have you

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and training

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more stuff should enable that

next delta
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I think breaking a setting rule for something that is for a specific table's convenience is fine. Though I am slightly curious as to why the five day travel is too onerous (five days to your manse anywhere in Creation/reality is pretty decent)

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Summoning it into a spot for a night is pretty cool though

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a showman needs his venue, you know?

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the five-day travel was the problem of not getting enough victims guests from creation, which was a big part of the fantasy of making an Evil Circus Infernal

bleak hazel
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"funny ways to do the cece limit" has been a good little thing to watch from edition to edition, since they all have to preserve "no sending information between Malfeas and Creation in less than five days" but they can do it however you like

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why am i making the evil circus infernal if we can't roll up into town and be creepy

bleak hazel
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so there's a Sid artifact that lets you orbital drop into malfeas by literally jumping to hell

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you fall for five days in your chariot hellpod

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there was a charm that lets Infernals punch people to hell, they lie insensate in a crater for five days before they wake up and the rest of the demon city realises they exist

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I've always liked to imagine that as a five-day-long Harry Du Bois Waking Up sequence in the pitch-black void

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bleak hazel
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conveniently the hall is not layabout, it's getting a lot of miles in

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and i need a way to get cultists in the door for demon drugs and performance charms

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service blood ape is an important part of being a sorcerer actually

tulip folio
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Hahahah

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Fantastic

fierce star
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goddd I can't wait for the demons chapter to come out

next delta
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I like the summoning option. And skipping the five days is fine. But may I also suggest that it adds a special way to travel to it where people are basically wandering through a (traveling?) carnival and need not sleep nor are aware of how long it takes

fierce star
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I need to know if perronelles will ever have canon ex3 stats

bleak hazel
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conveniently the summoning option lets you skip the five day wait creation-side because the summoned manse and everyone in it is taking five days to get from Malfeas to Creation instead

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they're just starting five days in advance

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presumably the revellers inside said manse are perceiving this in a haze of hedonism and might not be totally or at all aware of all the desert trudging

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oh almost assuredly

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the ones that aren't demons probably have eyeballs on the inside of their skulls that'll hatch any day now

tulip folio
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We have blood apes already 😛

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It doesn't need to be a D&D monster manual

bleak hazel
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doing a big sorcerous working to get myself a Silken Armour peronnelle

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not becuase it's better, just because I want a friend to watch my back

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🦍

bleak hazel
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although honestly "robe made of living silk from a silkworm-demon that lives in a big fancy belt or necklace or something" works pretty well, I might steal that

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personally a big tomescu fan for my demon grunts

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sometimes you roll a shiny, too

fierce star
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love me blood apes, love me perronelles, love me agatae, love me neomah, love me sesseljae

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also hi everyone how does Throne of Hellish Glory sound as a Seat of Deadly Splendor mirror

tulip folio
bleak hazel
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previous talk about how you can get a slight time advantage on Creation/Malfeas comms by summoning a prearranged demon has made me imagine the Heavenly Embassy maintaining a sesseljae switchboard

tulip folio
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And I love them for it

bleak hazel
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a room full of cheerful bugs with wristbands sipping vodka

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when one of them gets summoned someone registers the number that just went out the door and opens the folder marked with said number

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which is five days faster than sending a guy to Malfeas yourself to trigger Plan 45

fierce star
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I dig Throne of Hellish Glory

bleak hazel
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they're basically friendly, drunk carrier pigeons

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you can even use them as emergency comms by having the relevant one ride along with your embassy staffer elsewhere in Malfeas

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if he suddenly bails out of your head then you know [prearranged signal] and until then he's poison insurance

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bleak hazel
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yeah, there's a sidebar that lays out the few subtopics that you're not allowed to make mirrors of and they're very sparse

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it does also mean i have a Very Funny list of Spells

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bleak hazel
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(necromancy can't do healing, growth etc. or demons, sorcery can't do undead stuff)

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so stealing the cool chair is totally allowed

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my Abyssal has an necromantic mirror of Flying Guillotine

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conjures a length of silver rope that shears through anything it touches as if it was your classic fictional-razor-wire

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need a good hangman-themed name for it but Crimson likes it because he already has a big scar across his neck, he wears the rope over it as a fancy circlet when not in use

tulip folio
bleak hazel
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(the scar is from his first death, although it was a knife, not capital punishment)

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@fading cypress made an image for me and i need to inflict it on everyone bc it made me have a coughing fit

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Summon 1CD

fierce star
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woe, blood ape be upon ye

bleak hazel
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blood apes are good to just litter everywhere

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(courtesy of the same person who's doing Exalted Flow)

fierce star
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absolute memelord behavior (positive)

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10/10 no notes

dense verge
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the humble blood ape

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the humble blood ape solves many problems

fierce star
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"Hmm, I thought I left my blood ape here... oh well, I guess I'll just summon 5000 more and leave 'em lying around!"

bleak hazel
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they're also sneakier than you'd expect because they dematerialize

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they don't like to be sneaky, but the odds of any random person being surrounded by 20 immaterial blood apes are never zero unless someone has spiritsight on

fierce star
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so I try to not have more than like

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50-ish first circles on a sorcerer because anything above that is rough to like, maintain when you only have 425 tries. You could probably push to a 100 actually? but 50's a pretty sweet spot I find

bleak hazel
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demons are generally better than undead minions but it's rather harder to have a fuckton of them

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unless you're an Infernal, apparently

fierce star
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meanwhile, me playing a lunar: por que no los dos

bleak hazel
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who can just casually deploy a zillion maxed out second and third circles

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personally I am a huge fan of Thousand-Corpse Goliath but it does require fairly substantial ingredients

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and making sure that no Siddie doctors or Infernals with their one resistance charm are nearby because both of those can instagib them

nova yew
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...wait no who the hell even uses demon armies

bleak hazel
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well, you can still have way more second circles than you're ever going to need

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it's just for undead you can keep stitching together more and more doom golems

fierce star
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any given cabal of sorcerers can have a good few hundred demons just waiting around

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the problem is there's a hard limit on demons, but undead you can like

tulip folio
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just keep making

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jesus christ iki lmao

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nova yew
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tbf sorcerers arent common

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suspicious whistling

nova yew
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so

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thats good at least

bleak hazel
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you can also get better materials by hunting things like Armoured Krakens

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which can be perfectly good giant monstrosities with one corpse

tulip folio
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What is the limit on first circles? I can't recall.

bleak hazel
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1/day, they last a year

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and creation years are wonky so you can have four-hundred-ish

tulip folio
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Oh, that's where the limit comes from. I was looking at it on the supply end.

nova yew
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heyyy
the thousand-corpse goliaths are very efficient i'll have you know!

bleak hazel
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Second Circles and high-Essence undead can both be bound for a year but you are not limited to one soul cage per month

nova yew
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there is no shortage of corpses

tulip folio
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And was going 'I don't recall limits on how many first circles there are in hell'. XD

bleak hazel
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and Corpse-Engines of Annihilation, which are your more traditional mindless battering rams/mid-essence combatants, last forever and you can have as many of them as you can make

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they have more prosaic limits because they take a lot of flesh and metal, need maintenance and are usually dumb as rocks

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although noting actually requires them to be mindless

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look im just saying that. i think layabout can solve a lot of problems by throwing Enough Blood Apes at it

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how many blood apes is Enough?

bleak hazel
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I love my corpse-engines

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probably a platoon or two

bleak hazel
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why are they statted like that

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they have Parry 7, legendary size and 12-17 soak depending on how many zombies you have to load into them

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and 40 goddamn health levels, so you need to build or manufacture ~100 entire init to actually put one down

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eternal suffering trying to manually fight more than one at once

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anyway two of these guys are why Crimson Rain doesn't really sweat his personal War training

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he has flying guillotine style, hundred shade breath for a personal guard and two suspicious statues outside his staterooms

tulip folio
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And then your corpse engine encounteres a single exalt with a 'you must pay WP to attack me' effect 😛

bleak hazel
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hey, it has willpower

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(singular)

nova yew
bleak hazel
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this guy is sufficiently large that he could probably beat up your average deeb

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I admit that I would be tempted to get my Undead Champion through making a custom CEOA rather than going a zillion charms into Medicine

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trade legendary size for actually having a few brain cells

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not many, but a few

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bleak hazel
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Nah, I'm built different, maybe even better than the gods, etc., etc.

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Currently he's E3 and he just has the cool jackal

fierce star
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Hubris gotta be my favorite sin in Exalted

bleak hazel
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Sidereals don't have a monopoly on it by any means

prisma sun
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@nova yew btw I just remembered how you were saying "oh I don't think Solars are angelic" and I rembered My Big Solar Antag

nova yew
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Lmao

prisma sun
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Who is just Exalted Innocence

nova yew
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I stand by what I said!!!!!!
I feel like proper angelic coding means being in servitude to a higher will

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But also wowowowow

prisma sun
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idk if you played ffxiv

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but skip to like

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3 minutes

nova yew
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PRETTY BOY ANGEL

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Holy shit voy

prisma sun
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The idea is The Last Solar Elder, who escaped the Usurpation by taking his giant pyramid ship into space

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and is now back and is like "well clearly I am still sane and deserve to be King of the World"

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(he is neither of these things)

nova yew
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No no let’s hear him out

prisma sun
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The Great Curse doesn't like you spending 10 thousand years in a space ship by yourself

nova yew
prisma sun
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NOT THE ENTIRE TREE KAREN RUN

nova yew
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Nah don’t worry I experience total ego death and am now a completely different person-

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I haven’t read all the solar social charms

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But I know they can get stupid

prisma sun
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THE SEX TREE KAREN

nova yew
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I cannot help but feel like this is incredible juice for an abyssal bard

nova yew
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Huh, I wasnt expecting this here for inspiration for abyssals

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Maybe I should watch utena

mighty rover
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this is like the second or third time they've cited utena

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i do recommend it if you're up for it. but also i don't know if it's actually the inspiration they want it to be

prisma sun
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It totally is

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cuz of this

wise ocean
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i'm not going to lie, "inspirations" in TTRPGs always leave me rather cold

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rarely do they seem like inspirations, they seem more like "a popular property with greater share of the cultural zeitgeist than us we can point to"

prisma sun
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Isn't that what inspiration is meant to be

wise ocean
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Depends on how much what they say they're drawing from it is actually in the property (either theirs or the original thing they're citing)

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It's awkward to look at an inspiration page after reading through a rulebook and go "... is it?"

prisma sun
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I feel like Inspiration is more for new people to look at and go "oh okay"

wise ocean
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🤔 A fair perspective, I suppose when I see it I assume "oh, this is stuff that the authors were drawing on to Write This Thing at some kind of thematic level" and it's... usually not

prisma sun
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Like it's a quick guide for people unfamiliar with The Subject of the Book to point at and go "yeah it's like this in this way and you won't be wrong if you ape it a bit"

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Well I think they put it in the front of the book for a reason

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We as the perverts who know Exalted already are probably already in the Charms section by the time someone new is reading that part

wise ocean
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pfft
yeah, I get that

fading cypress
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Hi chat I'm currently importing Lorelia into exalted she's perfect juice for an internal

prisma sun
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Whossat

fading cypress
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One of my lancer pilots, very hurt and spiteful woman

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A beautiful princess

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Making her a Penumbra infernal

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Silano Lorelia, the Maligned Heir

merry arch
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yayyyy

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hmm now i'm pondering how to adapt one of my lancer characters to exalted (the drink has infested my mind)

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Gloria MacLennan, a noble woman from the planet Alba Ur, not quite a core world but not quite frontier. She was born with a congenital neurodegenerative defect that rendered her a quadruple amputee, and unable to accept standard Union prosthetics or newly grown limbs. But GalSim pointed her out to Union as a potential field asset, so they offered her a chance to walk and manipulate objects in exchange for being trained as a pilot for the DOJHR; in exchange for service, she recieved top of hte line cybernetic arms and legs... and, even better, a 'mech to pilot them. She turned from a depressed, demure noblewoman almost overnight into a boisterous, loud, athletic warrior-queen who smote her enemies with one hand and raised her allies with another.

... Yeah I'm getting Infernal juice I think

fading cypress
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Lorelia was horribly abused growing up and was thrust into being Baroness unprepared and her brain worms means she needs attention and affection or she feels purposeless. Her outlook on life is that everything hurts, she's constantly wronged and she's becoming worse because of it (she won't see a therapist)

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Iiiii could see it

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I guess she does already have sick bones, canonically

merry arch
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solar warstrider pilot methinks

tulip folio
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(it was part of a white elephant exalted thing in another discord)

fierce star
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10/10 would have one on retainer

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"Jeeves, there's a party tonight. Initiate Himbo mode."

tulip folio
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Not quite the intended use but sure, sorcerers gunna do weird shit.

fierce star
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I'm always iffy about playing warstrider pilots in ex3. It was similar in ex2 but ex3 feels especially rough about warping the campaign around them

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since repairing them is SUCH a pain

tulip folio
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If anyone has a particular Yozi they'd like a first circle for that doesn't have one yet, I'm happy to mess about with them.

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id actually love to see what a first circle of Isidoros is like, i don't remember any of his

tulip folio
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...I don't think we even have a second circle of his, let alone a first.

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I do have some fun ideas there.

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My thoughts: Chainbreakers. Demons of Freedom.

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Playing into Isidoros' role of 'I will not be told what to do/I refuse to accept another's dominion'

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They'll just as happily join a rebellion against a tyrant as they will free a serial killer from jail

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As all chains must be broken

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Does that seem like it could be an interesting basis for a demon?

fierce star
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sounds fun to me, I could see some interesting things there

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yah~!

tulip folio
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...heheheheh

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They're good, scary demons but umm...not the safest to summon

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As that breaking of chains includes summoners

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Hrmmmnn

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I would add a way around it- for example, if summoning them to help you escape from somewhere

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no i suppose that'd just be a normal intimacy you could exploit

tulip folio
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Yeah, it's why I added the 'they are amenable to helping summoners who make no attempt to bind them'

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It's the same rule that Machine Spirits have in Autobot City

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You need to give them some carrot, not just stick

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My thoughts is that it will push them out of the binding range for mortals but an exalt can still pull it off.

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Excellencies can overcome 'above average resolve' without too much issue.

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The final difficulty will be about on par with like 'a person with some decent resolve an a major intimacy against it', which exalts overcome all the time (They just need to work for a hair)

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If that remotely makes sense?

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nodding nodding

tulip folio
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They will be a fighty demon but I'm thinking of making them less grapply but more durable than blood apes.

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Basicly make them the 'slow heavy armour' counterpart to Apes.

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...maybe...I could also see some room for playing them more like saboteurs and sappers.

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...yeah, I'm actually kinda feeling setting them up more like saboteurs and sappers. So unlike their originator, they're small enough and understand the world enough to be stealthy. They're still violent and destructive.

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heheheheehe ohohoho ahahahaha

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@nova yew check this shit out

tulip folio
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Hahahah, I love the one for Lotus Feasting hall.

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thank you iki, the circus is important

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im having trouble describing the relationship between The Prince and the Staff

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bc what i want is like conmen working the same mark

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but i don't have good words to describe that

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maybe Fellow Scum <3

tulip folio
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Yeah, I'm increasingly feeling this is less a big monster and more a horrible little gremlin with a hammer.

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...wait shit I'm making Tinkerton, First Soul of Isidoros.

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you sure are

tulip folio
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Maybe I should ake a step back and work out a different idea.

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Hmm...Isidoros first circle souls...

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i never said that tinkaton was a bad thing

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tinkaton in fact, rules <is biased

tulip folio
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Hahahah

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My big thoughts on these it to add a bit of anti-slavery and a bit of the original luddites.

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They're not stupid. They're not super genius demons but Isidoros isn't stupid and they're not massive titans that can't conceptualize smaller beings exist.

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They're driven to smash up systems of control

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Which gets them in a lot of street brawls with cece demons in Malfeas 😛

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One of my intents is to make it like...demons might not be good but most of them are not inherantly evil either.

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no, they're just. fucked up lil freaks

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also i think im finalized on this

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very happy with three definings. i will not be punished for this

tulip folio
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They're just happy to go topple some structure (building) or structure (political)

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'This is evil but they have really nice food'

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im so glad that riri would absolutely hate them but still show up to party

tulip folio
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Despite not having any of them in autocthonia, the Alchemical Big Diplomacy Charm works really well on demons, so they're remarkably capable of walking around malfeas.

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oh its because Laziness is the height of Luxury and Riri is a very patroitic autochthonian huh

tulip folio
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As they just put up the holographic sign that says 'I report directly to a primordial' and most demons go '...oh...maybe I shouldn't start shit'

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and also the fact that the layabout prince is probably being princess-carried around by a blood ape

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because, you know I am above such petty things as walking

tulip folio
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Which is very funny and amazing

tulip folio
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layabout: fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you

tulip folio
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RiRi is very 'work hard, party hard'

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Totally understandable! Layabout is a Party hard because otherwise I'll remember how miserable my life has been and have a breakdown

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lounging on fine pillows

tulip folio
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Also: I think Layabout would take offence at her primary social charm

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Patriotism Provoking Display.

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coral wraith
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that is very good too yes

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a palanquin is too refined

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Layabout is kind of sleazy

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She's 'person throwing up into a toilet at 3am' party, is what I'm hearing.

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her inner world is a nightmare version of the Lotus Feasting Hall where the Night Never Ends and time keeps looping and degrading and getting more and more upsetting as the Layabout Prince throws tantrums about the fact that he's coming down and that things aren't lining up perfectly for her.

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Its either Eternal Party Yay Time or Bloodborne Is Occuring

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(Its eventual Feitch soul is Leciano, Conductor of the Nightmare)

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# tulip folio She's 'person throwing up into a toilet at 3am' party, is what I'm hearing.

The reason her intimacy for her cult is only Minor is to stress that Layabout is less an actual priest and more a rabble-rousing drug-dealer who ruins people's lives to keep its own happiness going, because he firmly believes that he has suffered so much that anything Wicked he does will barely balance the scales. Her life was utterly ruined and destroyed through no fault of his own, and that life was already miserable, so why not? What's wrong with taking what she wants now? The reason she suffered is so that now she can be the Most Justified Villian! (she has been listening to Mara too much)

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awful, awful creature. i so adore making them.

tulip folio
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oh yes, absolutely Loviatar would get along~!

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The issue is that she's honestly not great at being hateful. Like, she can be cruel but she's not good at keeping the fire of hate burning in her soul.

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So she's more on the 'A king didn't invite me to bless his child, I'm going to curse her to die pricking her finger on a spinning wheel' end than the 'genuine horror to reality' sort.

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She thinks a bit small scale because she's not really able to build up hatred for like 'all of humanity' or even 'a city'. She does petty shit because she can bring herself to really hate a person.

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She's mostly just kinda sad but also deeply afraid of making genuine emotional connections by not being an asshole.

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As in her mortal life, every time she tried to reach out emotionally, someone abused it

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If that makes sense?

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(2:32:44 PM) Loviatar: There is a surge of power...as people hears voices in the darkness around her whispering...
(2:32:51 PM) Loviatar: Master of Nightmares
(2:32:58 PM) Loviatar: Keeper of Celestial Flame
(2:33:05 PM) Loviatar: Sorcerer
(2:33:11 PM) Loviatar: Bound to the Darkness
(2:33:22 PM) Loviatar: Witch Queen
(2:33:25 PM) Loviatar: Chaos Incarnate

She is also a complete drama queen who just makes up titles for herself and then forgets what half the titles were so the list is never consistent.

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nodding nodding

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the new Infernal '1/story, get a Free Sorcerous Working' is a godsend for her.

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Lets her make all those cursed spinning wheels and poisoned apples and mutation potions a good witch should make to curse people.

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that sounds busted, damn

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i guess infernals are solar tier

merry arch
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sure are. they're fucked up

tulip folio
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That said: infernals do have a lot of busted shit

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If Lovi dodges your attack by enough, she Sends You To Hell.

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layabout's devil-body has an AoE Psyche effect of LOVE AND WORSHIP ME its pretty funny

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coral wraith
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fantastic

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Like, unironically - I think Infernals are hurt a bit by being Solar/Abyssal powerful as when they're trying to do shit that isn't mirrors of Solar/Abyssal Power Charms, they're very fun/funny.

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Abyssals and Infernals have a good number of charms that are 'I need to have this because it's a mirror of a solar charm and we can't have a solaroid be not solaroid tier', more than because they do something interesting with the charmset.

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...considering first circles are decended from a second circle, should I perhaps make the second circle first?

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...then again, that would require me to work out how to set up a second circle beatstick who's not too powerful but still lives up to the name

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Back in 2e, the Yozis could intervene to directly control 1st circle demons and those they had invested with power (called akuma)

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They've eased back on that in 3e, but it is still possible for them to influence warlocks aiui (the new name for akuma)

tulip folio
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It would be very funny to see a classic angel CeCe demon

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Gods and spirits are also bound to serve the Primordials and cannot harm them (directly)

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So in that sense, they were classic angels when the Primordials were in charge

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that's damn near textual tbh

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Yes

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Lucifer gave humans his strength so that with the Power of Friendship they could defeat god. Then he became Jove and got addicted to Magic the Gathering.

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Lucifer, but he won

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No one knows what the Games of Divinity are, but everyone seems to agree it must be a gacha game

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I went for MtG because people call it cardboard crack

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(I was using gacha broadly to add to and not dispute your choice)

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used to it was world of warcraft

nova yew
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Including the soul hierarchy thing

nova yew
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Basically the more Abrahamic stuff was all from the losing faction who got tossed into hell >_>

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So I don’t actually believe this

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But this is one of the first things I read about exalted before I actually read exalted

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I knew about the whole “they’re not connected anymore thing” and a couple other bits but

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I was researching demon the fallen one day when I came across this

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They were never really connected, fwiw

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It was always sort of a nominal thing meant to sell the game both to WoD fans and to White Wolf’s higher-ups

nova yew
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I mean I know don’t worry

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The whole connection thing is tenuous at best and I don’t really care much about it

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Yeah, it’s just kind of amusing

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I really like the comparison though that all the abrahamic shit is like…yozi

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It’s like if the fucking concept of the divine rebellion was reversed. The fallen won this time, they did it!

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There’s juice there I do genuinely really enjoy

velvet raft
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Yeh, it’s good stuff

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the fun thing is DtF's lore lines up with Exalted still, and Wraith still uses a lot of the same terms

chilly sluice
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So I don’t know the lore

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But the name is Theion

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And the etymological roots do seem to agree with you allie

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Theion being Previous Malfeas

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King of the primordials

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IIRC he didn’t start as king, he actually took the post by beating the shit out of … Marduk?

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Mardukth i think

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Katsaplias, Feathered Firebrands, Demons of the First Circle
It is not uncommon for demons stalking the streets of Malfeas to chance upon Katsaplias and think they have found a mortal lost and alone. Those who do rarely get a chance to make the same mistake twice. Humanoids with faintly blue skin and long plumages of brass feathers where a mortal would have hair, their looks betray their human origins.

Where many demons spawn their children with arcane rituals or more biological methods, Exousia’s progeny are the children of her ideals. Mortals whose souls are set so ablaze with revolutionary fervour their skin begins to crack and muscle melt from their very bones, she gathers up these burning souls to be transmuted in the rivers of vitriol that flow through Malfeas into her firebrands.

As demons, they are no less driven than they were as mortals. They dream of shattering the idols of false gods and toppling the thrones of rulers. Flames flicker upon their lips as they speak of how they will treat those traitors of Yu-Shan. Their words for their fellow demons are often no less full of vitriol, for they can rarely not find something to criticise about their fellow revolutionaries, a lack of loyalty to the cause or a disagreement of philosophy that must be corrected with hammer and tong.

It is a brave sorcerer who dares to call up the firebrands, for their hatred of hierarchy and chains does not exclude those who would leverage the surrender oaths to force their service. No small number of sorcerers have met their end at the end of a demonic hammer when they felt they could control spirits of rebellion itself. In contrast, there are a number of revolutionaries praying desperate prayers to any who would listen that have found demons coming to their aid, called by common cause to shatter the keystones of temples.

I am making more demons. ||Yes, they are 'Leftist Infighting', the demon.||

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ye, Mardukth, Who Holds in Thrall, the Mountain and the Beast Upon It

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Mardukth was iirc the actual principle of sovereignty and rulership, but Theion was the principle of I Don’t Give A Fuck About That

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now just 'He Who Holds in Thrall', the Neverborn

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I hope this reads okay for rebels without a cause demons.

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Theion was the principle of Do What I Say I Have A Big Stick And I Walk Loud

chilly sluice
# nova yew So I don’t know the lore

He was funnily an ephemeral force, because his majesty was too great to be confined to a singular and physical form
(Until the Exalts beat the shit out of him that is)

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Imagine if Teddy Roosevelt lived up to his own hype, and was also Godzilla, and was also god

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and then he turned into Malfeas and got turned inside out and shoved inside his own guts

nova yew
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One could take the transition of Mardukth to Theion as related to the conflicts between cults in and around the Fertile Crescent

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Since Mardukth is obviously Marduk

chilly sluice
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And just sort of that overwhelming authority that comes from sheer force

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Not just of arms

chilly sluice
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If Theion had charms, he'd have one that gives you the Divine Right of Kings

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Overwhelming, reality-warping force of will

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King of the Primordials in the same way Godzilla is King of the Monsters

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oh did he have the wise rulership charm

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i vaguely recall someone writing up a theion charmset for 2e infernals

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and i think it essentially boiled down to Zenith Shit, But Mean And Green

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(obv with some weird ass stuff so it wasnt just Green Zeniths, but its been years since i read it so i dont remember any specific charms)

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One of the running jokes in MMA and grappling circles is “just stand up”

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Because of course a skilled grappler won’t let you do that, you’ll need your own skills to achieve it

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Except for this one guy who actually can just stand up

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That’s Theion

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his Excellency

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like this is a canon charmset

velvet raft
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Oh was this from Shards?

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Gunstar Autochthonia?

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Yep

velvet raft
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That was kind of a cool concept

fierce star
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shards was just a cool book in general

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Burn Legend was kind of thrown in but otherwise

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oh man I forgot how cool Theion's shintai was

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(everythign else is modifications to charms elsewhere in the tree)

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chilly sluice
# fierce star

not being able to use it for less than half the max is very funny

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meanwhile Midura has very good priorities for a 14 year old

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Dancing Wildflower was their Even Blade Master

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and now she's taken a position at the Heptagram school to teach sorcery

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Weird...

prisma sun
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He Does Seem To

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xD

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Theion cooking soup, "THIS SOUP WILL SHOW EVERYONE THAT I, THEION, AM THE SUPREME COOK WHO ALL OTHERS MUST BOW TO"

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Theion at the dry cleaners, "WHEN THE CLEANERS PERCEIVE THE GRANDIOSE PERFECTION OF MY FASHION SENSE THEY WILL KNOW THEY SERVE THE KING OF KINGS"

nova yew
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long silence of pondering…

Yeah okay I can fix him

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Exalted: The "I Can Fix Them" RPG (With "I Can Make Them Worse" Expansion)

chilly sluice
nova yew
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We really cater to all relationship perverts here

ruby geyser
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i continue to hope we get an Ex3 shards book eventually, if only for a new take on Exalted Modern with Getimians, Liminals, and the new Infernals

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also i forgot about how Urge was a thing in 2e and was just like, basically a second motivation
kinda surprised they scrapped that instead of saying like 'starting characters must have at least 2 Defining Intimacies--one representing their own desires, and one representing the will of the Yozis'
but that does also check out with them being the Chosen of Hell instead of the Chosen of the Yozis in 3e

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And this is a central thing I find compelling about Infernals :D

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my main complaint narratively with Infernals, as opposed to mechanically, is that they seem to have literally zero fetters, potential sources of trouble or even people saying No to them whatsoever

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it's just kind of "welcome to hell, here's your complementary blowjob and manse, get out there" and that seems like a waste of Hell's byzantine demon aristocracy

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fuckin lmao

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everyone in 3e is less fettered than they were in 2e, but Sids/Abyssals/Lunars still have some gestures to the idea that there will be opposing power blocs with meaningful capabilities in your home dimension/milieu who will not like you by default

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they have literally the same problems as Solars plus the problems that come with fucking around in Hell

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like, Infernals literally are what the Realm says about Solars

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unlike Solars you have a whole dimension to chill in, where apparently they will just give you stuff

ruby geyser
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and its specifically noted that the Althing Infernal is there to stop Infernals from infighting, which means they're prone to doing it without the Althing and there's mention of there being Infernals who refuse to attend

buoyant summit
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Are Infernals assumed to be adventuring in Hell?

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one of my favourite Infernal things is the Althing, the regular meeting of all Infernals where they meet with third circles and trade favours and argue politics and get into shit

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and in 3e you can just blow that off with zero consequences and leave while keeping all your hell toys, which seems to defeat the point

ruby geyser
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if you blow it off and ignore Hell, another Infernal might just swoop in and steal your Manse

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you ain't attending the Althing so who's going to stop them?

bleak hazel
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Malfeas is best when it's a giant 300-way game of Solium Infernum to embroil yourselves in, rather than just chill relaxation zone

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this does not seem to be in the althing writeup as I see it

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it's mostly "there's a meeting, you don't have to go"

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it is very possible I am missing something similar to the Abyssal sidebar that says "if you don't want to involve deathlords in the game don't worry about it, but by default going renegade and ignoring your underworld peers and patrons will attract heat" because I have not gone through this in great care

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I know they're not as constrained as Abyssals but it's more fun to use my incredible rockstar godling powers to fuck around and find out when everyone doesn't politely get out of my way beforehand

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The Infernals most in favor of the Conventicle seek to mediate rules between the Infernal Exalted, often with the help and support of their demonic allies. They find themselves opposed, however, by other Infernals and demons who have no wish for laws or codes of conduct. Still others are paranoid and don'twant possible rivals determining the laws, and so they struggle amongst themselves.

Thus far, the only significant rules that have been negotiated are prohibitions against murder and theft within the Conventicle, to be punished by Sylik, the Dessicating Wind, 17th Soul of Cecelyne. This Third Circle Demon is an exceptional warrior in the context of punishing those that the law has deemed guilty and loathes the chaos she feels the Exalted bring.
my read of this is not 'Sylik is omniscient and will stop any theft from happening' but 'if you tell Sylik that someone stole from you, she will enforce the law to the fullest extent she is capable'
if you aren't in hell, you aren't reporting shit until at least a 5-day journey from Creation has passed after your shit gets stolen, probably, at which point whoever stole it probably has a fair claim to say you weren't using it

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there's also just the very real possibility of you butting heads with other Infernals out in Creation because you aren't going to the Althing to have any sort of mediation and decide who gets to claim what kingdoms or w/e, something that's toyed with a bit in the chapter fiction they've given us

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(cant remember the exact name but there was a thing about some other Infernal showing up to give one of the signature characters shit for taking something she'd laid claim to but then ignored for a while)

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absolutely none!

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huh, was Shards the source that named Theion?

chilly sluice
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some real wikiwalk material, i see

chilly sluice
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IIRC we knew Malfeas used to be different then, but the name Theion as the previous incarnation is from Shards

chilly sluice
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And is also just a bad idea

velvet raft
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Unrelated: I think I’ve found my favorite combination of martial arts. Crystal Chameleon, Centipede, and PAOC.

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Legendary Size fucking sucks to deal with Jesus Christ

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Lmao

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You good?

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hello everyone! i have some juice for you

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccentric_flint

Eccentric flint

An eccentric flint is an elite chipped artifact of an often irregular ('eccentric') shape produced by the Classic Maya civilization of ancient Mesoamerica. Although generally referred to as "flints", they were typically fashioned from chert, chalcedony and obsidian.

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XD

nova yew
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Get well soon

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specialties are fun

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Hey Delilah, I'm writing up those anarchist demons.

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Actions: Feats of Strength: 8 dice (may perform Strength 4 feats); Senses: 6 dice; Read Intentions: 5 dice; Inspire Anarchy: 9 dice; Social Influence: 6 dice; Stealth: 10 dice; Argue Theory: 11 dice;
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YAY

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good for them

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In a straight fight, they won't beat a blood ape but the counterpoint to that is '10 dice stealth pool and a sledgehammer'

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i feel like 10 dice of stealth, and four-to-six guys with sledgehammers does solve problems i would solve with four-to-six blood apes

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very sneaky guys with sledgehammers

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I also gave them the return of MDV: Fist

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Spirited Debate (8m 1wp; Reflexive; Instant; Essence 2) After an attack or influence roll beats the Katsaplias’ Defence or Resolve, but before any additional effects, it can make a decisive counterattack. If it incapacitates him, the Katsaplias is treated as if it had successfully blocked the attack or applied its resolve against the effect, as appropriate.
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Me summoning my demonic legions

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xkXdfdzwCZbYb1Dwekt72qg_Uw8Mq81Ayv1eg_NWEr8/edit?usp=sharing Not as defensive as a Tomescu (Who have a super cheap withering counterattack and base 5 parry) or as 'I instantly rip you in half' as a Blood Ape (Lacking Shattering Roar and Blood Ape Pounce makes them much more dependent on sneak attacks) but they're Stealthy Fuckers and if you can get them on side, they're also determined little fuckers.

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Katsaplias, Feathered Firebrands, Demons of the First Circle It is not uncommon for demons stalking the streets of Malfeas to chance upon Katsaplias and think they have found a mortal lost and alone. Those who do rarely get a chance to make the same mistake twice. Humanoids with faintly blue skin...

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idk i just think it'd be nice to give them a cute little trick to teach players

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also im realizing that i could make an Imajin from Den-O a Hegra demon

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The Infernal version of the Eclipse caste just roaming about with 5 Hammer Demons smashing all the buildings up.

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Penumbras!

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No wait

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one sec which one is ebby this time

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nope i was right Penumbras

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who love to fuck with "Hypocrites" specifically

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which is perfect for hanging out with hammer demons honestly

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Collective Chaos (4m; Supplimental; Instant; Eclipse, Essence 1): The Katsaplias increases its strength by 1 for determining if it can perform an Feat of Demolition and gains +1 automatic success for each 1 Katsaplias or 5 mortals assisting it in the Feat, to a maximum of +5 Strength and +5 Automatic Successes.

An Eclipse with this charm is limited to (Essence) Strength and Automatic Successes.

It's a little downgraded for eclipses since an exalt will A) Be able to have a better base pool/strength B) Be able to combo it with their own in-exalt feat of strength charms and being able to toss 'And I do the action instantly instead of over time' helps a lot

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Yah~!!!

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but its still cute

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And it makes for a great scene where the Eclipse is handing out sledgehammers to his bodyguard unit and goes Now here's a trick I learned from a Demon I drank under the table...

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'I have a goon squad. By our powers combined, we can pull off strength 8-10 feats of demolition pretty easily'

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snrk
You know who both A) Would really like this charm B) Tends to work with a lot of mortals?

Alchemicals. Who do have a 'you can learn eclipse charms' charm.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPTCq3LiZSE Alchemical learning they can summon these guys.

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Warframe | We All Lift Together

Cold: the air and water flowing.
Hard: the land we call our home.
Push to keep the dark from coming,
Feel the weight of what we owe.

This: the song of sons and daughters,
Hide the heart of who we are.
Making peace to build our future,
Strong, united, working 'till we fall.

Cold: the air and water flowing.
Hard: the land we call our home.
Push ...

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and yet i feel like uuuh

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these lil guys have a special hatred for autochthonia

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ok so
Extremly random but Heart Eater charm that lets them learn eclipse charms from pawns

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I'm not sure if I'll fully stat up the second circle who made them but my thoughts on her is she's basicly a demon in Permanent Revolution Mode. They're on the 'street brawling' end, she's on the 'Waving a banner, inspiring revolution' end. She's a pretty bloody scary combatant (She is a second circle demon) but her big thing is her ability to basicly Instantly Start An Uprising wherever she goes.

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She's a Social Demon but not in a 'subtle corruptor' way.

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Actually, now that i think about it

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Hi!

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what if we just change things a little bit

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Cytherea

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Oh?

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Cytherea's new gimmick is that she's a living fever of Hope and New Ideas and Revolutionary Fervor

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Oh, that's fun. I'd based this on Isidoros' refusal to be bound but that's very fitting, yeah.

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She's still a Yozi, however, and her spite and short-sightedness doom these efforts to failure as everyone burns themselves out Trying the Impossible

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Dream the impossible dream plays

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Yeah~!!!

nova yew
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Cytherea is the Divine Spark, that woke the other Primordials and encouraged their creativities to build the various proto-Creations

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Unshackle The Soul (5m; Supplimental; Instant; Essence 2): Exousia doubles 9s on an Instill or Persuade roll to inspire revolutionary fervour or to shake one's confidence in existing systems. She ignores multiple target penalties on this roll and her targets they can’t use Intimacies based on loyalty or apathy to bolster their Resolve against her influence or resist it in a Decision Point.
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Make it so you can't use 'well, the boss is the boss' to resist her social stuff.

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You need an actual argument

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...I'm also realizing this is likely to end up with her as a Mass Combat Demon. Give her some good command charms for leading a horde of angry revolutionaries, more than her just personally beating everyone's ass.

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yaaaah yaah!!

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omg

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...I realized a very funny idea for a trait for her to make her notably good at leading large numbers of shitty troops.

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Attack(Hellfire Grenades): 10 dice (Damage 12); Tags: Thrown, Flame
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oh my god

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molotovs...

tulip folio
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So whatever she's leading she gives them a 'fuck it, throw firebombs' option with a good attack value.

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YAH

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Part of my intent with this is to...they're not intended to be inherently evil demons. I mean, they're revolutionaries and that tends to get stained with blood real fast and they're kinda short sighted but it's very 'Demons can be hateful and very passionate but they're not innately malevolent', if that makes sense?

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yah

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i cypher

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goes and checks what the other leader demon has

Oh right, I forgot that Octavian is a shitty fucking leader. XD

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Cult 1: While her appeal is wider than many second circle demons, her cults are fractious and prone to infighting, reducing their ability to provide her regular worship.

No, the leftist infighting jokes will not stop 😛

nova yew
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fucked upppp that my infernal has a bigger cult. but also she's feeding people fucked up hell-lotus

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so that seems well in character

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It also doesn't help that the corebook has Octavian as one of the primary 2nd Circle Demons it highlights. The Fascism Devil.

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who used to be Bowser

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Why do you think he hates all Earth Things? The times he got his ass kicked by mushroom kingdom!

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this is what ru showed me before i fully started reading exalted so its my main impression of the book

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and i do like it
"we've created a bunch of inhuman freaks but also don't be stupid with these"

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this is because ru is good at exalted

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"don't do that"

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ru is good at exalted

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im well aware that exalted in the past (and still the present) can be.....

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weird at best

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it sure is a xanxia built from first principles by white goths in atlanta in the early aughts

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yeah

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the orientalism particle detector crackles like a geiger counter whenever i click open the pdf

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it fucking rules but also wow

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yknowwww lmao

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thank you

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i own a physical 2e book that i bought during the obama presidency and i kind of dread rereading it

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Also: Christ Octavian, you have like twice the page count of every other 2nd circle demon. Fucking corebook. XD

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and thats just the more recent content

the recent content where theyre trying to get better about it

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i dread to open up whatever the hell 2e was im sorry

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2e was... earnest?

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like it was bad but it was a bunch of white goths from north georgia trying, at least

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it wasn't malicious, it was 'this shit is really cool let's fucking goooooo' without as much research or thought put into it as we would these days

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and y'know I'd rather earnest-but-flawed over perfect-but-dead-inside

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oh absolutely

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i respect the hustle

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oh thats completely fair yeah

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but also im not reading that

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I stand by the 2e Autocthonia books, as that was much more definitively 'we're making a less orientalist place' as it takes place outside creation.

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i can also still go "oh dear. oooohhh dear." at a couple of things

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entirelyf air

tulip folio
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I do not stand by 2e Infernals or Abyssals, despite them being two splats I love.

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Graceful Wicked Masques Is A Cool Book

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A playable splat? absolutely not

tulip folio
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Graceful Wicked Masques is cool to read

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Cool Book? 100%

nova yew
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my impression is "exalted fucking rules" and "wow they just wrote that huh"

someone told me and im in agreement that the issue with trying to "fix" exalted is that a lot of the weird parts are like, kinda what makes it awesome.

so evidently the recent stuff has its work cut out by trying to ensure that exalted still fucking rules, but also navigating how to decrease the radioactive properties of it

fierce star
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I know someone who's played a fae using GWM rules

nova yew
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ooo

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It took a lot of autism (positive) lol

tulip folio
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Reading Graceful Wicked Masques is like reading a Changeling: The Dreaming book in the wrong language while high on a substance that the dealer said was mushrooms but you're beginning to suspect was more than just that.

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this is not wrong

buoyant summit
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What's GWM?

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Graceful Wicked Masques

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the ex2e 'playing a raksha' supplement

buoyant summit
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I

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Yes

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Ahhhhh

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it was written by Jenna Moran.

nova yew
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i should check that out maybe

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OH SHIT

buoyant summit
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That does seem like it would require lots of Exalted Autism

nova yew
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nevermind i gotta read this

tulip folio
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I hope we get a redo of that some day with like...mechanics...that work...

buoyant summit
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Oh there is so much sex in there isn't there

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<XD

fierce star
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... I mean

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no more than average for ex2 I think

nova yew
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fuck wait oh my god