Exalted

[nova yew]

Some sort of long sinuous reptile? Well. The paperwork is quite clear

That oughta work out

[prisma sun]

What's the upper limit on lesser elemental dragons we can summon

is it 3

[velvet raft]

Anyone can summon the Kukla if they can beat up the guards

[bleak hazel]

Sids can get an easy 2, not sure about any more

I don't think Summon Elemental goes that high

[prisma sun]

Sids can get 3

I think by pretending to be a Deeb they can turn into one with Mela's Coils

[velvet raft]

Summon Elemental caps at Essence 3, yeah

[next delta]

Summon Elemental is more Create Elemental right?

Clearly you can get an E5 one out of it of you wait long enough

[velvet raft]

Essence Induction Technique (hissssss) is basically that

[prisma sun]

If you make an elemental Essence 5 do they automagically become a dragon

[velvet raft]

I don't think so, I think dragons might actually start at 6 or so?

[next delta]

Is it elemental dragons are high essence elementals but not all high essence elementals are elemental dragons? Though certainly seems like most are?

[prisma sun]

Any high essence elemental automatically transmogrifies into a dragon

[next delta]

I wonder if it's like a Chrysalis or they slowly get longer and more dragon like over time

Or is there Kafkaesque literature about how awkward it is to wake up one day as a dragon

[prisma sun]

I do not know if they ever inked it out

[next delta]

It's for the best

[velvet raft]

In fact, it's mentioned that a lot of older lesser elemental dragons deliberately avoid getting stronger because if they do they'll end up as unstoppable forces of nature who need to be sealed in volcanos or whatever

Being the Kukla is considered undesirable

[buoyant summit]

lmao my gm told me 'look you can send the nephwrack a letter'

'I won't even make you roll but he'll respond telling you to fuck yourself'

[merry arch]

yea sounds about right

[buoyant summit]

Also I'm struck by how much a Moonshadow sorcerer would just be

Dr. Facilier

down to 'shaking a poor sinner's hand'

[feral cipher]

I've already tricked a guy into swearing an oath in our game yeah

bro didn't read the core book

[nova yew]

LMAO
No embodiment of the void smh

You dont have the automatic respect of nephwracks

Meanwhile the neverborn love my thighs

[nova yew]

Love this guy he’s so fucked

[buoyant summit]

embodiment of the void?

[nova yew]

Sorry embodiment of the maw

Necromantic initiation

One of its perks you can by is getting automatic respect from every specter

And automatic fear from every ghost

Other Benefits
Marked by the Abyss (•): Ghosts instinctively recog-
nize the ceaseless hunger behind the necromancer’s
eyes. Typical ghosts count as having a Minor Tie of
fear towards her, while specters count as having a Tie
of respect or a similar positive emotion.

Get on that neverborn grindset

[buoyant summit]

Ahhh

[fierce star]

'every exalted type as described by dracula flow' is a thing that should exist

[bleak hazel]

an acquaintance of mine has been working on this

[fierce star]

they're doing god's work, misc

[nova yew]

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and by the boys I mean the neverborn and by the yard I mean creation when I shove it into the underworld and by milkshake I mean a milkshake

Dracula flow for exalted would go hard

[velvet raft]

Hey pnet what type of Exalt is Char Aznable

Is he just a Solar

[fierce star]

he's the exigent of warstriders that i've been on and off working on canonically a so--

actually

consider all his shitty digusies that fool everyone

might I suggest: Char Aznable, Chosen of War?

[chilly sluice]

I feel like he could be an Infernal

[velvet raft]

Maybe

Hot take: Suletta is an Abyssal, Prospera is her Deathlord

[bleak hazel]

content warning: Dracula Flow's usual pile of drugs, sex and scatology

Rie would like me to relay that this is annoyingly compressed to fit in Discord and doesn't have the Sids yet

[fierce star]

iselsi

perfect

no notes

dying of laughter

[bleak hazel]

Lion is especially perfect

[wise ocean]

as someone playing an iselsi: yeah

yongzheng would old bay seasoning everyone else with zero hesitation

[fierce star]

everything here is perfect

[nova yew]

Oh this is perfect

Wait what why is the scarlet empress in lunars

[bleak hazel]

WIP, I have flagged it in the patch notes

[craggy hound]

like a quarter of these were my idea that I suggested

[bleak hazel]

I am claiming credit for a few as well

but it works very well in general

also great editing

[nova yew]

Oh I see

This is great tho

[wise ocean]

the Old Bay Seasoner

[knotty island]

Well, I've had an idea suddenly for something I want to an antagonist at some point, but.

It is a foolish idea, albeit funny. Take an exalt. Take a long cliff with dramatic pointed rocks at the bottom and maybe crashing waves. Introduce exalt to gravity.

You do not need to confirm they hit the bottom.

[bleak hazel]

conveniently there is an NPC who has, as an explicit in-universe ability, "if you don't see the body he's not dead"

[knotty island]

Wonderful.

[bleak hazel]

I love that guy because he's absolutely useless in 90% of fights

so his best tactic in most risky situations it to run desperately for the nearest implausibly long fall or burning building and throw himself at it

[fierce star]

corebook npcs be like

[velvet raft]

Wounded Lion Strength is kind of a weird charm for sids, considering how they don't generally take a lot of wound penalties

[tulip folio]

...is this name too extra for an Integrity/Wits charm that lets you spend some aggravated health levels to defend against a social attack? 'A Bleeding Heart Still Beats'

[velvet raft]

No such thing as too extra

[tulip folio]

Cool. Just setting up some Basic Social Defence charms, with the Wanderer's general theme there being Hope and Trust.

I do worry a hair about thematic overlap with Sid Integrity but Sids mostly have hopeful intimacies so they can give them up and be sad that they had to sacrifice their dreams for their job, rather than those intimacies being supported that much. 😛

Also: God, keys are so good for helping bulk out the effective charm count without writing a fucktonne more charms.

As they let you make a charm broader/more generally usable to help cover bases but with a lot less writing/work.

[velvet raft]

Sid Integrity is so weird and fun

[tulip folio]

Pondering listing this exalt as Enemies of Fate but not Creatures of Darkness.

They're wyld empowered but they're not fae and UCS hasn't ever called them Bad Guys...but they by their very nature are Fucking With The Loom Of Fate by going 'Okay, reality says that's what should happen but...wouldn't it be cooler if this happened instead?'

[velvet raft]

I gotta give 3e this: making Infernals into jobless celebrities is amazing for the way they foil against Sids

[buoyant summit]

one of the players in the pbp I'm in is floating running a heptagram school Deeb game with our group

[tulip folio]

Enemies of Fate
With the Wyld flowing within their veins, their tendency to push narrative convention over the decisions of the Loom of Fate as well as several powers that actively defy dictates of the Bureau of Destiny, Wanderers are considered Enemies of Fate. Despite that, however, they are not Creatures of Darkness. They have no ties to the Yozi and are not Fae themselves, nor are they the vanguards of the dissolution of creation.

The Immaculate Faith makes no such distinction, calling them creatures of the Wyld or Fae Nobles despite the inaccuracy of such terms. A Wanderer who is sighted blatantly making pattern spiders cry can expect no more quarter from the Wyld Hunt than any Solar or Lunar could.

[velvet raft]

Thinking about stealing Warstrider Evocations with Four Magical Materials Form

Vaidurya is a hell of a drug

[tulip folio]

I keep staring at Vaidurya's charms and going 'Put them on an alch, put them on an alch' in the back of my mind.

Being able to just Boogie Woogie at-will with an Alch would be very fun.

[velvet raft]

Now tbf one could argue that warstrider evocations wouldn't really work with FMMF, because of the way those evocations specify the warstrider doing something

But still

[velvet raft]

Oh damn

[tulip folio]

Yeah, sids have some big tricks.

[velvet raft]

That's a crazy force-multiplier

[prisma sun]

Sid shit is silly

[velvet raft]

Yeah, it just continues the theme of seeing something wild every time I open up the Charm section

[tulip folio]

Sid Larceny is one of my favorite charmsets for them and I like their charmsets a lot.

The ability to walk up to someone go 'Can I have your name?' and then just take it never makes me fail to laugh.

I've had a sid use it as a very 'I am making a statement' introduction.

Where they walked up to an Abyssal and stole their Abyssal Name, leaving them just their birth name.

[nova yew]

YEAH

[limpid badge]

im looking at initiations for my infernal and what if mara was is its sugar mommy because >Infernal >Loves Ebbie.

[tulip folio]

Hahahah

...hmm...I'm back to debating if the Wanderer 'individual mechanical thing' is interesting enough. It's not designed to be like 'Lunar Shapechanging' big but it's supposed to matter a bit.

Basicly: Every Wanderer has a special intimacy called a Touchstone. A place that, emotionally, matters to them. That location has 3 elements linked to it and you're attuned to 1 of those 3 at any given point, getting bonuses based on it.

Air Touchstones
Stormborn: The Wanderer is immune to wind, cold- and lightning-based environmental hazards. 

Air of Friendship: Air Elementals, Gods with Storm Domains and Messengers of all sorts unconsciously recognise the Wanderer as kin, which can be leveraged as a Minor Tie of trust and respect. If they would already have such a Tie due to the base benefit of the Touchstone, it can instead be leveraged as a Major Tie.

Wind’s Embrace: The Wanderer suffers no penalties for mist and wind or lack thereof. She can fire an arrow through a hurricane, track a foe through thick mists or sail a becalmed ship with no issues.

So for example, while you're attuned to Air you get this.

They're generally in the form of 'environmental hazard immunity' + 'Social Bonus' + 'Extra Bonus'

Wyld Touchstones
Unchanging Paths: The Wanderer is Immune to Wyld Exposure.

Through the Looking Glass: Fae, Storytellers and Wyld Mutants unconsciously recognise the Wanderer as kin, which can be leveraged as a Minor Tie of trust and respect. If they would already have such a Tie due to the base benefit of the Touchstone, it can instead be leveraged as a Major Tie.

Kaleidoscopic Self: The Wanderer is much less affected by Shaping effects she suffers. While they cosmetically still have their effects (A Wanderer shaped into a duck is still duck-shaped, while one who's history has been changed will remember the new history alongside her old one), they will not kill her or prevent her taking actions she could normally take, though it may impose some amount of penalty (Such as a difficulty reaching the top shelf or being taken seriously in court as a duck).

A Wanderer who becomes attuned to the Wyld has her existing shaping effects become cosmetic, like those she suffered while attuned to the Wyld. Shaping effects cannot prevent her becoming attuned to the Wyld, even if they would otherwise prevent her taking any other actions.

Not all of the elements are just normal elemental ones. They've got options for Death, Wyld etc.

But I'm kinda debating if touchstones are well...interesting.

[limpid badge]

i think its really good if Mara is just like. someone who visits the Feasting Hall that my Layabout Prince has her name from, as i cook.

[tulip folio]

Example Touchstones

Merlin’s Tower
A massive tree within a vibrant flower field, where locals claim that the Elemental Dragons of Wood once bound a great Fey. She remembers the flower festival, as the carefully arrayed rows of plants are tended to during cultivation each year. She remembers the taste of sticky sweets and the laughter of townsfolk as they worked.

Tie: Joyful Love
Metaphysical Alignments: Wood, Wyld, Heaven

Lookshy’s District of Justice
A cruel joke of a name for a titanic pyramidal bright-indigo crystal grown out of the earth. She remembers the cold nights and the endless silence of the solitary confinement cells. She remembers the empty eyes of those broken, advocates for the Helots and those who refused military service.

Tie: Fearful Hatred
Metaphysical Alignments: Death, Air, Earth

The two examples I wrote up.

[limpid badge]

like hey what if one of your regular patron just teaches you magic

[tulip folio]

'I'm being supported by the power of patreon...sorry, patron'

[limpid badge]

exactly exactly

[tulip folio]

But yeah, the intent was that it's a less 'directly combat' bonus and more just some passive bonuses that people will like having, especially the social one giving some versatile innate ties.

But I worry not being combat-heavy like Lunar Shapechanging or Infernal Demon Forms, it might end up a bit minor and 'don't super care about this'.

[limpid badge]

chat am i cooking

[next delta]

This is pretty funny:

[tulip folio]

'Go to hell'

[fierce star]

I like touchstones. If you want them beefier maybe some charms get strong upgrades from certain elements?

[tulip folio]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u_jyiQs6qoImblxa6s5YiTLNGOhVFS6qbRCQeCIFzyc/edit?usp=sharing Tinkered with the wording. How's this seem?

[velvet raft]

It also means I can make statements like "Kim Kardashian is an Infernal" with a straight-ish face

[velvet raft]

Even if you don't really want to lean into the thefts-and-crimes stuff specifically, between the anti-wyld charm, maiden-in-the-pot, shell games, the heaven/hell teleportation charm, the "break into sanctums" charm, and the "imma steal your charm" charm, it feels like a very solid investment.

[tulip folio]

I love the Oblivion Guard Wrongwarp charm

'I've committed a crime, off to jail I go!'

[velvet raft]

Go directly to jail. Pass go. Collect $200.

[tulip folio]

I kinda really want to use it as an escape from combat one day.

Like just go full saturday morning cartoon villian.

[velvet raft]

I had to fit Creation-Smuggling Approach and Shell Games onto Red Evening Sky, Because Reasons.

[tulip folio]

'Yes, it was me! I did it! I <Tells the other guy crimes>...and being a Zenith, you're a priest!' teleports to heaven jail

[velvet raft]

Anys Syn apparently had her train by holding a horse stance under a wyldfall or something

[velvet raft]

The more I look at Mantis Style, the more I like it

Crystal Chameleon is also extremely cool

[tulip folio]

It's a very cool style.

[velvet raft]

The only downside I can see is that all of the pieces don't quite fit together unless in the form

Simply because without the form, you can't do stealth at burning or bonfire

So using it as an entry to SMAs isn't quite perfect

[ruby geyser]

Magma Kraken fans stay winning, there's a Sail charm that lets you conjure tentacles from any body of water

https://tenor.com/bZhgv.gif

[tulip folio]

The human body is roughly 70% water...

😛

[ruby geyser]

it functions slightly differently though(from my reading, you'd use your own brawl pools for the tentacles instead of using occult like with magma kraken)

[ruby geyser]

it does explicitly call out using blood spilled on a battlefield as the source for a tentacle(also a cup of tea), but i think you'd have to persuade a gm to let you sprout a tentacle within or on an enemy's body

a non-trivial enemy at least

there's also a charm for being Blackbeard and enticing people with rumors of a secret treasure you hid somewhere

okay yeah someone needs to remind the devs that the human body is 70% water, because there's another charm that lets you turn 'all liquid within medium range' into acid

[tulip folio]

Skullstone: "I don't like where this is going..."

[ruby geyser]

and there's absolutely no clarification on if blood within a living being counts for any of these charms

so as-is this is just an instant 'i win' charm

(you're immune to this acid, as are allies with a specific charm or ties of loyalty to you)

[tulip folio]

I really like that infernal Occult charm to 1/adventure ignore the exp cost for sorcerous workings.

Really makes it a much more usable tool

[nova yew]

Oh that’s SO useful

Fuck

[ruby geyser]

also Karen you may enjoy the Ride and Sail charms, there's Ride charms for turning a mortal or 1CD into a mount and granting them mutations of obviously demonic nature in the process, and Sail charms for summoning aquatic life(including potentially things with legendary size with an upgrade) and being able to communicate with them

[nova yew]

Holy shit???

[buoyant summit]

are there any sword-based sidereal martial arts?

[velvet raft]

Not in Exalted!

[velvet raft]

Not yet

[buoyant summit]

Gotcha

[velvet raft]

Although any sid who enters an SMA through melee can do so

With Maiden-on-the-Shelf-Enlightenment

IIRC we are expected to get some sword SMAs in the near future

[buoyant summit]

I'm asking for very hypothetical future deeb reasons (they're going to possibly gain a Sidereal master through excelling in the Heptagram school as a sorcerer and martial artist)

[velvet raft]

Fun fact: back in 2e, DBs who tried to use SMA charms had a tendency to, er

Explode

It wasn't just that they couldn't do it

The lore was specifically that they went kaboom

[prisma sun]

I can't imagine being a Deeb in 2e was fun

[buoyant summit]

Huh

Wack

Also oh yeah I forgot they just can't SMA can they

[prisma sun]

They cannot

[buoyant summit]

Oh well maybe the sid is just 'you're really fucking ambitious kid good for you'

[next delta]

Can Lunars or Alchemicals SMA?

[buoyant summit]

Cuz being a dedicated martial artist while also at the Heptagram is probably uh

intense

[prisma sun]

Anys Syn's whole character back in 2e was trying to teach one specific Deeb who was the greatest martial artist to maybe do SMAs which would potentially take out the main temple of the Immaculate Faith

if they did explode

[prisma sun]

No

Sids and Solars.

[bleak hazel]

deebs reach their max martial arts potential via the Dragon Styles, which are a little cooler than your average terrestrial martial art

and also allow you to use their techniques to improve other MAs

[velvet raft]

Most people can't

[prisma sun]

I don't even think Solars should tbh

[buoyant summit]

oh huh

[bleak hazel]

Sids, Solars/Abyssals/Infernals/Getimians is your SMA-capable list

[buoyant summit]

Abyssals even have their own SMA

[velvet raft]

Solaroids can learn them from sids, but cannot use them to their full potential

[bleak hazel]

personally I think Infernals shouldn't have 'em like they used to but it's not a huge deal since that's literally 50 people

[velvet raft]

Yeah, in 2e Infernals had no SMAs but had easier access to sorcery

[bleak hazel]

Sids are the only ones who can learn them from first principles or just invent them, so if there were no sids nobody would have SMAs

[velvet raft]

Which I would have preferred they keep

Getimians can use them at full power but have limits on their ability to mix them

[next delta]

Though, it's probably harder to get a sid to teach you as an infernal than as a solar

[velvet raft]

It is, amusingly, explicitly possible to learn SMAs by getting one's ass kicked

[bleak hazel]

Abyssals also need to go to the one guy who knows that MA to learn it, they can't first-principles that one either

[prisma sun]

Yeah, because Sids are inherently designed to be sifus, them just mollywhopping a Solar can have the Solar learn how to do SMAs.

[velvet raft]

If you fight a sid, and you see the charm, and you could use the charm in principle, you can learn the charm.

[bleak hazel]

and among all the non-Sidereal exalts you run into the restriction of not many of them actually being martial artists of sufficient power to use the charms once they see them

since any combat Sid can go SMA but Melee/Brawl/Archery/Thrown solaroids can't, they need to specifically be E3 and have their MA investment at a certain point

[velvet raft]

Her rework makes her a lot more interesting

She was so boring before

But yeah, for DBs, they can bypass the limit of the Terrestrial tag using a dragon style

[prisma sun]

I like new Syn yeah

[velvet raft]

Anyway Crystal Chameleon is outlandishly cool

And feels natural to mix with Ebon Shadow

It also has some nice Centipede tech

[bleak escarp]

good 'ol disco ninja style

[buoyant summit]

what sword art would be a best fit for a water deeb with a jian

[prisma sun]

Uhhhhh

[velvet raft]

Hm. If you're doing sword stuff, you're not going to be able to mix that super well with Water Dragon, so terrestrial will be more of an issue.

[chilly sluice]

Violet Biers can work pretty well

though yeah you won't be able to use Water Dragon charms along with a sword unfortunately

and you do probably want some Water Dragon to cheat the Terrestrial keyword

[prisma sun]

I mean you can

cuz you can just kick people

[chilly sluice]

you can do unarmed, yes

[prisma sun]

But you can't combo

[chilly sluice]

just not combo on the sword attacks, yes

[prisma sun]

I wonder if Exalted would have been better if like

martial arts was strictly unarmed

[chilly sluice]

I think style weapons are broadly okay, it mostly only gets fiddly when you combine different MA

[prisma sun]

Man

the core MAs are not created equal

[chilly sluice]

they definitely are not

but that's just kinda the core book

[chilly sluice]

when you have Single Point and Steel Devil next to each other, it's pretty obvious 😛

[velvet raft]

Does Water Dragon have any good movement charms? If so, I think you could just use those

[prisma sun]

I mean even like

Tiger and Single Point

[velvet raft]

If you're down for using hook swords, there's a shitload of really good martial arts that have them as form weapons

Oh, Fire Dragon does use short swords, that might be usable even for a water DB with some finagling

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E6_FjrM9JeQiVtmj2hSqN6JyJpCGbdZLNX12elvdRUk/edit?gid=812356597#gid=812356597 Here's a list btw

Of this and a bunch of other stuff

https://theonyxpath.com/agents-of-heaven-preview-1-the-even-blade/ Even Blade, of course, if thou hast not seen it

[next delta]

My hot take is the opposite in that they should have had MA be for any sort of combat style, ha

[velvet raft]

If you really want to focus on it and diversify a lot, it effectively is strictly unarmed

Razor claws, hook swords, seven-section staffs, and knives get a lot of styles, but

[next delta]

Hmm, I do find it weird that MAs can combo with each other (instead of the core abilities). But I don't know how much it actually comes up

[prisma sun]

The main thing is I feel like what you do is make weapons solvable (moreso than they already kinda are)

[bleak hazel]

I am surprised there are no hook-sword SMAs honestly

they have this really robust regular MA family but no upgrades

[next delta]

I'm not sure what you mean

[prisma sun]

I think I misunderstood "there should be an MA for every weapon" vs "every weapon should be usable for every style"

[velvet raft]

Seven-section staff remains the king of MA

[velvet raft]

There's a version of Exalted out there in a parallel universe where instead of martial arts specifically there are "secret arts," packages of cool abilities that use the MA format but can be related to any number of things rather than always being about punching.

[next delta]

Well, there probably should be MAs such that all weapons are covered. But I mean that even stuff like how Realm Legionnaires fight should be an MA

[velvet raft]

It's an interesting parallel universe to think about

[next delta]

Yeah, this is the further extension

[velvet raft]

There's something very wuxia about the art of punching a guy in the face somehow being the highest form of achievement, but yeah.

It does feel a little silly sometimes.

[next delta]

I'm mostly affected by the a podcast that had one of the devs. Where they were talking about the current form of MAs is a bit Orientalist

[prisma sun]

Honestly I would way rather there just be splat-less charms usable with different abilities

that'd be sick

Secret Art: Steal All The Blood Out Of Your Body

[velvet raft]

That's more-or-less what I'm talking about, yeah

But I am at least content with the current state of MAs.

I do think there should probably be ways to discount the ability cost to mix a bunch of them, but

It's paying for versatility

MAs can cover a lot of ground

[next delta]

I think it's a bit tricky to balance cross-splat stuff with how splats feel

[velvet raft]

Yeah

It would be harder to do if MAs were more conceptually universal.

Oh, btw, I have yet to look myself but I'm hearing that apparently Infernal Sail is turning out to be the big winner

Charms usable for basically everything

[next delta]

Oh, mildly surprised so long for the devs to pull off that trick. Benefit of hindsight here though

[buoyant summit]

don't the keywords need to match for it to be effective during combat since if you use a lot charms you enter your element's aura?

[velvet raft]

If you get to bonfire anima, specifically

Hence finagling

Water is actually extremely favorable to martial artist deebs for the simple reason that razor claws are extremely well-represented across multiple styles.

But that's less useful if you want to sword

[buoyant summit]

lol

[velvet raft]

The big reason to pick up a dragon style is a clause that lets you sacrifice an aura matching that style in order to ignore the Terrestrial tag for one tick

But you need to know the Form charm for the style in question

So picking up 4-5 charms you wouldn't really use just to accomplish that is somewhat burdensome

Maybe there's some way to leverage the sword + empty hand style of Even Blade for this

I dunno

[buoyant summit]

The form is also E2

We are doing an E1 secondary school game

[velvet raft]

Aha

Yeah, then you wouldn't be picking this up immediately anyway

I'd look at Even Blade and Violet Bier of Sorrows for generalized sword martial arts

That, or use Melee

[buoyant summit]

Even Blade Time

[velvet raft]

I like Radiant Breath a lot, personally

Big vertical cut

But Garda Talon might have some way to get unusual style mixes, since you have one empty hand and do a bunch of grappling

[buoyant summit]

I was actually thinking Immanent Steel

either that or do winter songbird

and have the sheath be a magic stave type thing

[next delta]

I do find forms often being E2 weird

[velvet raft]

It's specifically for the dragon styles

There are a couple of E2 forms in other styles

But all of the dragon styles have E2 forms

Probably because they want Deebs to be able to get them up to the form charms but keep them away from other starting characters by default

Could not tell you why Crane has an E2 form charm tho >_>

[next delta]

I was also thinking of the Righteous Devil Style. Because it made a character concept of mine long ago mildly sad

[buoyant summit]

what other style has good grappling?

Mantis maybe?

[velvet raft]

Quite a few. Mantis and Bear are particular standouts

I'm not sure the mixing actually does work, to be clear

[next delta]

Oh, gkathellar: you were complaining about the use of febrile in Infernals. I also give you using "hale" to mean "draw forcibly" in Investigation as being weird

[velvet raft]

Yeah that's super weird!

I only know "hale" as in "healthy"

[next delta]

It's listed as an "archaic" usage in the dictionary lol

[limpid badge]

you know i will take super archaic words rather than slapping some vaguely "eastern" words together tbh

like. this is a marked improvement.

[coral wraith]

same

[limpid badge]

do you really wanna read "mantra" or "atemi" every five words. i will take the archaic english i really will.

[coral wraith]

getting a bit weird and old w/it is the infinitely preferable option

[buoyant summit]

can you combine charms from different martial arts that add to a savaging attack?

[chilly sluice]

if both MA are unarmed compatible, it should work I think

[next delta]

Yeah, I don't see why not

It's part of the reason you are paying so much for MAs lol

[chilly sluice]

or compatible with whatever you use to grapple I guess

[buoyant summit]

Fuck

xD

Even Blade gives your weapon grappling

[next delta]

That's a tag right?

[buoyant summit]

ye

[next delta]

🤔 can you use decisive charms on savaging attacks in general or do you have to use special Savage only ones for it?

[buoyant summit]

I mean most of the chosen style (Garda Talon) focuses on augmenting grapple attacks like savaging and slams specifically

[chilly sluice]

anything that modifies the damage roll of a decisive should still work I think

[next delta]

The Infernal charms where the Infernal does stuff without even realizing it are pretty funny. I think you can steal a hidden enemies sword and then stab them with it and not be aware that anything has happened

[bleak hazel]

if you can find a grappling style that works with swords, it works

most don't, however

since mechanically you are using Weapon:Sword, so unarmed styles will not be compatible

[prisma sun]

Also I came up with a good name for my Fae Not!Exalted

Instead of the "Chosen" they are the "Plucked"

Also Meteor Exalted does appeal since they are based off wishes

[lament owl]

I did come up with a homebrew exalt type idea one time, it was because I was reading the core book and they mentioned some awful thing on an island near the blessed isles that could corrupt dragon blooded exaltations

[velvet raft]

Yeah, savaging is still an attack, essentially

[velvet raft]

This seems kind of amazing for sids in particular

What with their various ways to fuck with target numbers and reduce number of dice/successes rolled on damage

[lament owl]

Because attacks with light weapons are more accurate but less damaging, while attacks with heavy weapons or more damaging but less accurate

Would it be correct to state that strength builds work better with light weapons and dexterity builds work better with heavies?

Because those flat bonuses are overall more useful to them

[tulip folio]

Honestly, both builds are basicly the same thing there.

As generally you won't have a combat character with only dex or only strength

Also: Heavy Melee requires a minimum of 3 strength to use.

So you can't go Str 1 + Greatsword

[lament owl]

true

I wa jut pondering thee shape of thinngs

[next delta]

Accuracy is only for withering attacks right?

[lament owl]

yeaah

[next delta]

I think combat builds basically need Dex because of that. Unless you have a stat swapping charm

[velvet raft]

Verdigris Blaze of Royalty Style

Before there was Demon City, there was Theion: imperious, unbending, powerful and glorious, King of the Primordials. It was Theion whose ribs the first exalted cracked open, to bend him and twist him into a parody of himself, and so what had been Theion became Malfeas. He has not forgotten who he was: if he had, how could he hate what he has become? Core to him is this memory, which calls itself Ligier, the Green Sun himself, and who is to Malfeas the living certainty that Theion would despise and pity the Yozi he has become. In Ligier is whatever remains of Theion: his power, certainty, and grandeur.

That grandeur is incarnate in this style, through which passion and fearless certainty become waves of raw, burning essence that burn away any truth but their own. Its movements begin in imitation of Ligier’s beautiful dance of self-expression and violence, which grows through gouts of mutagenic green flame into something more like the awful, reptilian majesty of that cruel and ancient monster-king, the paradigmatic tyrant lizard that once broke the back of the world. That which it does not subordinate, it annihilates, or leaves irrevocably changed.

The Verdigris Blaze of Royalty is not a style which yet exists. Ligier is among the greatest martial artists to ever exist, but he simply is what this style would imitate. Under the right circumstances, his tutelage could lead a sidereal pupil to discover this style, a reflection of his cosmic principle of power and domination at the flower of the perfected lotus. That it even can exist might, under those circumstances, be a testament to the finality of Theion’s passing. The king of the monsters is dead, and Ligier is his tombstone, but the sidereal who invents this style would honor his place in the order of the world.

Form Weapons: Compatible with tetsubo, maces, axes, clubs, which it wields with grace, and knives and razor claws, which it makes implements of brutality.

Thinking

If it’s not clear I am imagining this as equal parts Ligier and Godzilla

Or maybe more like Ligier turning into Godzilla

[bleak hazel]

@tulip folio RiRI has competition

[tulip folio]

RiRi: Goes apostate with the implication that one of the divine ministers likes honey rats more than her

[nova yew]

what is a honey rat

is it just honey'd rat meat?

[tulip folio]

It's a rat that's been mutated to produce honey

[nova yew]

i

e

excuse me

[tulip folio]

RiRi wants to import them so much

[limpid badge]

autocthonia is all robot except for Humans and Rats

who live inside :3

[nova yew]

I’m amazed

[merry arch]

hello my dog stirred me from slumber and I am realizing I forgot to show you BeaMu's intimacies Karen

[nova yew]

Holy shit?????
She’s so fucking cute I love her ❤️
Can she get hugs

[merry arch]

yes she loves hugs

the unity in question she cannot violate

she doesn't consciously remember the contents, but she can't willfully violate it

[tulip folio]

Now, if you see that philosophy and go 'hey, this seems kinda fascist'...welcome to estasia!

[limpid badge]

she’s a beautiful idiot and im going to fix her

[merry arch]

please someone fix her it's so easy if you try

[tulip folio]

Also: one of my friends autocorrect keeps changing their posts to Equestria whenever they write estacia and it's so fucking funny.

Darkest Sky Deception
Cost: 3m; Mins: Manipulation 2, Essence 1
Type: Supplemental
Keywords: None
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None
Grinning an infuriating grin, the Wanderer poisons her words, driving her foe into a rage to prove her wrong.

The Wanderer doubles 9s on a bargain or persuade roll.

Her targets they can’t use Negative Intimacies based towards the Wanderer or groups she belongs to to bolster their Resolve against her influence or resist it in a Decision Point.

Also tinkering with Wanderer charms. Finally got this sorted with a solid wording.

The intent is very Brer Rabbit 'Oh no, please don't throw me in that there briar patch'.

They can use any intimacy to resist, except for 'I won't do it purely because you want me to' ones.

[fierce star]

And cockroaches!

[tulip folio]

Firedust Gospel
Cost: 1m; Mins: Dexterity 3, Essence 1
Type: Supplemental
Keywords: Uniform
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None
As long as there are those who wish to be released from tyranny, the Wanderer shall not lack for ammunition.

The Wanderer can make an attack with an Archery weapon without needing ammunition (including firedust), forming her shot from hopes and dreams. The Wanderer may choose to make damage from this attack Bashing, instead of its normal damage type.

Keys:

Prayer Piece Symphony: The Wanderer can use this charm to reflexively reload weapons with the Slow tag. This makes such weapons compatible with magic that creates multiple attacks as long as she reloads for each attack.

Devil Casting Crescendo(Essence 2): For a 4 mote surcharge, this charm's duration becomes One Scene.

How's this seem? The 'shoot without using ammo' charms are pretty standard but I tried to give it a hair of flavour by letting you automatically downgrade damage to Bashing so you can always take people alive. Also giving it more of a 'gun' theme instead of the normal arrow theme most have.

[fierce star]

I like it!

[nova yew]

It’s such a shame that getting a cool monstrous bossfight transformation requires being at like, essence 5 for an abyssal ;-;

Gatekept from my cool boss form

[prisma sun]

Thats what apocalyptic is for

[nova yew]

No no you can’t skip sorcery/necromancy initiation circles ;-;

[velvet raft]

Ahhhh necromancy

[nova yew]

Yeah

[prisma sun]

Oh

[feral cipher]

suckerrr

[nova yew]

It’s a void circle necromancy spell, alas

…unless there’s another “get a cool boss form” charm

[prisma sun]

Get Ally 5 and have them be a necromancer and have them cast it on you

[velvet raft]

But yeah Voy is right in the sense that this is what Supernal/Apocalyptic is for and the consensus is that it kinda sucks in practice

[nova yew]

Which, shit, there might be

[velvet raft]

Infernal Keys are imo turning out to be a much better solution to the "what if we never get to high essence" problem.

Since for most things you can start doing whatever the thing is at Essence 1 or 2

[fierce star]

Hmm

I've been reminded of my Auroral exalted project, and I'm trying to circle a square issue I'm having with them, that's kind of two fold

I'd like for them to be celestial-tier, attribute based, aspect based exalts, but the issues I'm having are thus:
One, I feel like given Aurora's description and the description of his Chosen, they should all have appearance favored
two, I'd like five aspects based on the directions of creation and the Auroras that they used to have before Aurora was killed (my explanation for why only the north has auroras now is becuase it's where he's buried), but with eight attributes to worry about if appearance is auto-favored, there's no clean way to split that among five if I go with the 'each one gets three' of alchemicals or the 'pick two out of three' from lunars

possibe solutions:
go ability-based instead but let them have a favored attribute discount for buying appearance with XP?

Give each aspect more than three attributes to pick from but only let them pick two, plus one favored plus appearance? Would need to do the math to figureo ut how many it needs to be such that everything's even.

Other?????

[velvet raft]

An initial charm thought. I feel like this is definitely too much, honestly.

Cost: ?
Mins: Martial Arts 1, Essence 3
Type: Reflexive
Keywords: Enlightenment, Uniform
Duration: Until next turn
Prereqs: None

As the stylist takes the first steps of Ligier's flowing dance, she directs the entirety of her essence into her anima, calling forth a torrent of coiling green flame.

The stylist gains the following benefits, which expire after she goes an entire turn without using Wrathful Viridian Demon Dance.
⦁    Her anima instantly rises to bonfire at no cost, and cannot be reduced. 1a or 2a anima costs for charms and other effects are waived entirely. 3a costs instead cost 5 motes.
⦁    The blinding green flame of her will imposes a -1 penalty on any roll to affect her, even should it come from an ally.
⦁    She may attack out to short range, and her attacks do aggravated damage. She inflicts (Essence or 3) dice of post-soak Withering and decisive damage with all of her attacks.

Enlightenment: If the stylist has an intimacy of contempt, hatred, dislike, pity, or disdain for a creature, the penalty to effect her is increased to -(Intimacy) for social or mental rolls. In addition, whenever she deals withering or decisive damage, she can make a reflexive threaten roll with ([Charisma or Appearance] + Performance) against that enemy.```

[bleak hazel]

I assume that enlightenment effect is "the penalty for that creature to affect her" not just in general

"I really hate that worm, -4 on all social rolls for everyone"

[velvet raft]

Yes

In a larger sense, I think for the pre-form charms, Wrathful Viridian Demon Dance is a precondition for using any of them, and then one of the things the form charm does is keep it on without having to use it again every turn

[nova yew]

Hm.
Something clicked with solars for me.

I think it’s very very cool that they very much fell into being awful awful terrible tyrants, because it means being a Solar has you inherit the baggage of the last version of you.

…and that’s a fun angle for me.

[fierce star]

5 aspects, 8 attributes, I tink... 4 should be even? No, actually... I think thi sis an array problem I suck at arrays...

[velvet raft]

Were you here for the only Solar character concept I've had and liked since becoming a Solar-hater?

[nova yew]

Nope

I joined this thread like a week ago

I just sorta really love baggage from your past

@lament owl dreamer type shit

[velvet raft]

#1161699000836165714 message

[lament owl]

Yeah!!!!!!!
(This is a real Gregory Berrycone moment)

[nova yew]

Oooo

[nova yew]

Hey it’s a gregory berrycone we both comprehend

But it’s shorthand for the shit I love

[velvet raft]

Essence 1 first age solar who thinks solars are bastards

[nova yew]

“Ah shit I’m getting flashbacks”
“Oh?”
“Yeah wow this is one of my mass graves in a past life”
“one of???”
“…yeah.”

[velvet raft]

Fun fact: past-life memories for solars are pretty spotty and inconsistent, but because the yozis don't understand the significance of death and don't bother to clean the exaltations in between uses, Infernals remember their past lives much, much better.

[nova yew]

Oh that’s hilarious

That’s so fucking funny

[velvet raft]

Including their first age past lives as solars, to be clear

[nova yew]

OH

LMAO

I see

[velvet raft]

Basically because the Yozis don't wash their hands.

[nova yew]

To be fair

Uh

Lethe isn’t exactly an option

For them

[lament owl]

My Solar OC was built partially from the perspective of how he might be a villan in a dragon blooded game

Bureaucracy supernal, social charms, war as his main combat skill Eclipse Solar who’s father was a member of the mortal political class of the realm that got fucked after the emperess left and wants to use his status as an anathema with actually a decent amount of ingrained power to try and manipulate things to put more focus on the mortal political class

[velvet raft]

They're pretty expert in the subject, they probably could if they thought it was important

[nova yew]

Well I more mean

[next delta]

Lots of memory duplication between all the souls

[nova yew]

Y’know

looks into the labyrinth
All of that

[velvet raft]

Oh, you mean for them personally

[nova yew]

Oh yeah

That’s what I meant

Too big to fit in the bathtub

[velvet raft]

So it tracks that their exalts should remember everything too >_>

[nova yew]

Hehehehe

That’s good shit

[next delta]

Do exaltations go through the lethe? Or who/what is responsible for cleaning them of memories?

[nova yew]

My abyssal’s past life might have actually been a good-ish person.
Or at least…died at peace.

It’s very funny that the exaltation is corrupted into this bitch

[lament owl]

Like

I feel like part of the hype of solars for me is more Solar anathema than Solar exalted, if that makes any sense

“Ancient God King” as a Monster Of The Week akin to the Sinister Shapeshifters

[nova yew]

That is true

[velvet raft]

I don't think they've gone into this in 3e, but in 2e it was noted that the Primordials were part of the normal machinery of death, and that used souls got cleaned by passing through them. Part of the reason the Underworld arises is that the machine is essentially jammed with pieces of itself (the Neverborn), and part of the reason is that the Primordials aren't eating souls anymore.

[fierce star]

exaltations don't go through lethe, they either dissipate (DB) or get washed by lytek (all other), but some exigents are special cases, gets just spontaneous manifest so who the fuck knows there and frankly I have no idea about liminals

[velvet raft]

Lytek is the god of exaltations

[nova yew]

Hey!!!

They eat the ones I feed em

[velvet raft]

He doesn't issue them

[fierce star]

no, but he's responsbile for cleaning them in between uses in his cabinet

unless that changed in ex3

[velvet raft]

But he does track and clean them, yeah

[fierce star]

yeah I was talking about what happens to them after the exalt dies and the upper and lower souls go down to the underworld/lethe

[velvet raft]

He's got incredibly robust records of every celestial exalt ever

[next delta]

Oh, Lytek is probably worse at washing souls than the primordial made mass soul laundromat (even if the latter is a bit broken)

[nova yew]

It’s working great

It adds character

The giant cities of the dead

Spices the place up!

[next delta]

He also, uh, has some personal hobbies that probably get in the way of fully washing them lol

Hey, most souls move on. It's fine

[nova yew]

Also to be fair didn’t like, all the Solar exaltations get heisted?

That might make record keeping and proper sanitation difficult

[next delta]

Only half. Unless you count the original Jade Prison

[fierce star]

yeah but the ones that didnt' get stolen returned to Lytek first, and he took his time polishing them and letting them go before telling the rest of heaven

[merry arch]

all of em got locked away and then half of em heisted after the fact

[nova yew]

Oh I see

Okay so the half that didn’t get corrupted got washed up

That’s hilarious

[fierce star]

"It is with great pleasure to inform you that the Solar Exalted have returned." wa shis message iirc

[velvet raft]

Lytek is heaven's biggest exalted fan

[next delta]

Do you think Lytek is upset at the corrupted solar exaltations primary because it interferes with his record keeping?

[merry arch]

type shit

[nova yew]

Don’t worry it can get worse ❤️

Hahahahhahaha

[velvet raft]

He's not just a bureaucrat, the dude actually likes his job a lot

Because he gets to write reports about ninjas fighting

Sids who want to get on his good side have a relatively straightforward time of it

[fierce star]

Haven't they like, tried to boot him upstairs sevearl time sand he's outright refused the promotions

[velvet raft]

IIRC yeah

[next delta]

Exalted story arc where Lytek hires the party to make deals with Hell and the Underworld to keep, keeping track of the corrupted exaltations and interview them or at least get autographs

[velvet raft]

That would actually be rad

[nova yew]

That would be sick

[bleak hazel]

also if you go talk to Lytek after doing cool things as a Sid he will sometimes just go "hey man I saw what you did in that awesome kung fu duel, that was great, let me introduce you to [other exalt]", he is one of my favourite choices for 4 dot bureau backing

[velvet raft]

I think he's Bureau of Heaven?

which means the Bureau of Heaven has exactly one good god working for it

[lament owl]

Honestly that would be such a funny Sids game

Waving my Sidereal martial arts in front of these solaroids like a dog toy

[nova yew]

Mean to…I haven’t read the Sid book yet

[velvet raft]

The Bureau of Heaven is the biggest of the heavenly Bureaus by far and has eaten a lot of the tasks of other Bureaus in their ascendance to power

The Bureau of Destiny is basically untouchable to them, but the Bureau of Humanity in particular has been heavily cannibalized by them

The corruption problems in Heaven are ubiquitous, but they in particular are noted for them.

[fierce star]

every god other than lytek that's part of the bureau of heaven's writeup is some form of bureaucratic asshole. Lytek is too but he's nice about it.

Ak-Lanir isn't too bad I guess? He's loyal and impossible to bribe... unless the bribe would help the bureau ofheaven's goals or political power

'corrupt but not self-interested' is how the book puts it

[spring lynx]

they

[nova yew]

It is cool that there are enbies

[fierce star]

sorry, I was going off of memory

[velvet raft]

The closest we have to a "good" Bureau is the Bureau of Seasons, which has a strong union culture

[spring lynx]

they do have the problem of, y'know, being Head Cop

[velvet raft]

The Bureau of Destiny is relatively okay

[nova yew]

Is it heaven as a whole who backs the realm or just the bureau of destiny

[spring lynx]

heaven doesn't back anyone

[nova yew]

Cus I do find it hilarious that “the realm has economic leverage over Heaven”

I mean

I’m lookin at 3e here

And given the history of the realm

[next delta]

My understanding is It's Complicated

[nova yew]

It does….look like heaven is backing the realm

I mean yeah it’s complicated

[next delta]

Bronze faction is generally realm-positive

[nova yew]

And I’m oversimplifying for the purpose of comedy

But

It sure does look like they’ve got the Mandate of Heaven

[velvet raft]

The big thing is that prayer is currency, and the Immaculate Faith on the one hand ensures regular stipends of prayer, but on the other hand limits the ability of gods to demand it.

[spring lynx]

the solars did too, until they didn't

[nova yew]

Well yeah

But

That doesn’t negate me

Losing the Mandate of Heaven is just part of how the Mandate of Heaven works really.

[nova yew]

Yeah it’s so fuckin funny

[next delta]

There are probably reasons a bunch of gods in heaven are realm-positive, but the realm doing well isn't quite the same thing as a mandate of heaven

[nova yew]

I mean it does say, in 3e, that the immaculate order was created by sidereals

[velvet raft]

A lot of the bigger deities find this arrangement beneficial, whereas a lot of mid-rung deities do not, iirc

[next delta]

Though, it's kind of weird because the Immaculate prayer schedule should be popular with gods more down on their luck and less popular with powerful gods?

[nova yew]

And the empress made it the empire’s state religion as a diplomatic action with heaven

Like it does say this

[fierce star]

The problem is becuase the prayers are scheduled the bigger gods can tax them easier

[next delta]

Though maybe I'm overestimating the equality of the prayer schedule

[fierce star]

it's a lot harder to get under the table prayers for doing Good Works when you only get X prayers on Y day legally

as always, it comes down to tax evasion

[velvet raft]

Bigger gods also get plenty of extra prayer anyway

[nova yew]

Which strongly gives the impression that, even if heaven may not like the realm or something, they currently have vested interests in supporting it.

It is very complicated politically but that is what appears to be happening according to the very explicit lore I read in 3e

[next delta]

Ah, so poorly enforced prayer schedule

[velvet raft]

The Bureau of Destiny broadly backs the Realm, and has done so for more-or-less its whole history

[spring lynx]

no, the schedule is pretty well enforced, it's just that people are always going to pray outside of the schedule, because praying is sort of what mortals do

[nova yew]

Nodnod

[spring lynx]

and they're going to be praying to Big Gods a lot more often than small ones

[nova yew]

Cool

Yeah that tracks

[next delta]

I guess it's also better for gods in heaven versus terrestrial gods since the latter could more easily convince people to worship them (by being more directly involved)?

[velvet raft]

But the Bureau of Destiny is (a) where the Sids are employed, and (b) in the business of specifically determining overall policy for what happens in Creation.

So they have a much more direct interest than most of Heaven, whose relationships with the Realm vary based on how much they benefit.

[nova yew]

Yeah

[velvet raft]

Terrestrial gods are also much easier for an Immaculate to punch in the face

[nova yew]

Though, broadly speaking, this does mean at the moment that the realm has the support of forces in heaven which…

Yeah.

[fierce star]

I mean, so do most other things other than like, gets, lunars, and abyssals

the solars do have the whole gold faction

(and infernals I suppose now that they're allowed to exist again)

[nova yew]

Haven’t solars only started showing up like

[velvet raft]

As of 768, though, the Bureau of Destiny is going through its own internal struggles re: policy

[nova yew]

5 years ago

[fierce star]

Yeah and the gold faction is already setting up cults about it

sidereals can move fast when they want to

[nova yew]

Well they work fast

[spring lynx]

there were a few exaltations that escaped the purge, iirc the bull of the north was one of them

[nova yew]

And yeah

[velvet raft]

I think the Bull of the North was more recent

[fierce star]

the estimate was maybe a dozen solars in total that escaped yeah

[spring lynx]

but yeah the prison broke five years ago

[fierce star]

bull is 'more recent' in that he's bene a solar for around a decade or so

[nova yew]

I’m not like, saying heaven enthusiastically supports the realm universally or anything

Just

[spring lynx]

not the bull himself, just his exaltation

[nova yew]

It is hilarious what the relationship is

[fierce star]

yeah legit

[velvet raft]

But the thing with the Bull is that he totally fucked the BoD's plans

[nova yew]

The realm has genuine real economic influence over heaven

Not total control but

If the realm does not like a god they can certainly affect their income

[velvet raft]

And now with the other disruptions they're less unified than they used to be

The golds were sort of a curiosity until 5 years ago

They existed, the Cult of the Illuminated existed

But they weren't actively feuding with the Bronze nearly as much

[fierce star]

but eveyrthing changed when the fire nation attacked when the jade prison was heisted

[nova yew]

Well the underworld also attacked soon after so
Actually close

:3

[next delta]

Would have been really awkward if they didn't drop it and lose half the souls lol

[fierce star]

I mean

[nova yew]

Hey

[fierce star]

'waht if no solars but 200 abyssals and 100 infernals' is an inarguably healthier gaming experience for exalted players

[nova yew]

We got the better deal over the infernals

[nova yew]

If only

[lament owl]

it wouldd be 200 infernalss and 100 aabyssals iirc

the deal was "Neverborn get 100 and the Yozi get the rest"

[nova yew]

We got our share!

[fierce star]

oh, I thought it was neverborn got 2/3rs and yozis 1/3rd, i didn't remember the details of the deal

[next delta]

Ha, DB as the primary protagonist faction would have made certain things pretty different, ha

[velvet raft]

I think it was only clearly 100 for the neverborn in 2e

In Infernals 3e they note that the Yozis didn't really ask for that many.

[fierce star]

either way though still a much healthier gaming experience lol

[lament owl]

Damn

I liked that the Yozi tried to do an advantageous deal annd ended up fumbling, felt like a Yozi moment

[velvet raft]

I'm okay with having 10-15 solars running around causing disruptions, but yeah

[lament owl]

I do like Solars, like their mechanics could use some wprk but I don't mind em

[next delta]

I guess the Yozi don't really care if the Neverborn/Deathlords won and destroyed creation

and were just happy to be included

[nova yew]

Maybe I’m just a new exalted player who hasn’t like, really gotten the full experience yet

But I don’t mind solars much either

[fierce star]

oh solars are super cool thematically, but their mechanics have sick bones

[next delta]

It was more obnoxious in 2e aiui

[velvet raft]

To be fair, that's an Ebon Dragon moment. A yozi moment is just sort of fucking up

[nova yew]

The whole family’s back together again!

[velvet raft]

My big issue with solars is that they have no connections to things

[next delta]

And yeah, 3e had the problem where they were made first by the previous devs

[mighty rover]

it is the duty of exalted players to instruct newbies in their idiosyncratic grievances

[nova yew]

Out of spite I’m going to just, be okay with solars

They’re fun

[lament owl]

based

[nova yew]

Cus like from what I’ve read I disagree

[fierce star]

agian thematically I like solars, I like their place int he narrative and the stories they can tell

[nova yew]

Or at least, they’re kinda meant to be a wildcard is my reading

[fierce star]

my issue is purely mechanically

[nova yew]

The world’s fucked, and solars are back

[lament owl]

Using the Exigent book to do a Solar Remake

[velvet raft]

They are sort of your default, basic, murderhobo exalts

[nova yew]

Are they gonna destroy the world or save it, etc etc. and they’ve got the whole baggage of the first age

I like that

[next delta]

I'm sure they'll be good in 4e

[velvet raft]

Their powers are "do thing better"

There is a lack of institutions for them to have connections to

[nova yew]

For what they are I think that’s fine!

They make for a fun wildcard antagonist in other games, and themselves as players would also be wildcards in a world that kinda doesn’t like them!

[mighty rover]

everyone's a murderhobo it came with your superiority to mortals

[nova yew]

So true

Well, some of us are murder nobles

We’re employed

[fierce star]

I think 'solar as peak human' is fine, 'do things better' as their theme is fine, but supernal is a shitty mechanic, natural language was an awful decision to write rules text with and their charmset is both too narrow and too bloated

[nova yew]

Yeah that’s fair

[velvet raft]

They are good for a default "walk the earth"-style storyline because they provide no strong basis for anything else

[nova yew]

I can’t speak on the mechanics perspective because I haven’t fully dug into it

[velvet raft]

And I think this is fine if there are a smaller number of them kicking around

But Abyssals and Infernals feel far more integrated into the setting

[lament owl]

I am so "newbie who has bad takes coded" because I also actually like a lot of the new exalt types (Liminals are still mid I can't defend those) (I also like the apocryphal exalts and are sad they aren't getting books)

[nova yew]

That’s fair but…honestly I like that

[merry arch]

i think that's the point, no? the world has been rid of them for millennia and now they're back and inflicting themselves on creation like nothing ever changed and there's the tension thematically. big sun is back and he wants his kids to fuck shit up and Fix Things (do they really need fixing?) i guess. i dont know. he doesnt talk to them cos he's a deadbeat

[nova yew]

From my reading the solars are the wildcards and showing back up in a world that’s moved on

[prisma sun]

My problem with there being more Abyssals and Infernals is that unfortunately you run into a dissonance of how they aren't just winning outright

with the sheer power of solaroids

[nova yew]

And then the abyssal’s are their corrupted apocalyptic counterpart
And the infernals are fucked up and worse Aaaand I want to read more about them

[mighty rover]

It's kinda funny to be integrated into the setting via living in a parallel universe

[nova yew]

Also yeah they provide a solid like, hero/villain for the sudden “shits fucked” moment of the setting where 300 super powerful exalted are just showing up now

[velvet raft]

And again, I like the idea that some small number of them have been kicking around, and maybe there are even more of them after the Jade Prisonbreak

[next delta]

Abyssals have the typical evil guy problem of all the different factions hating each other and working at cross purpose.

Infernals don't even have a collective purpose and are kind of just running around being too loud most of the time

[nova yew]

❤️

Love em

[velvet raft]

Yeah, there is no actual win state for Infernals

[next delta]

But also, it's only been five years since they all got out

[nova yew]

The win state should be kissing a yozi.

[velvet raft]

And a lot of the Deathlords are distinctly uninterested in the win state

[fierce star]

the new exalt types--gets, liminals, nocturnals, heart-eaters, dream-souled--aren't a bad idea, but they were definitely an overpromise by the original devs, is kind of my take, and some of them are like

[next delta]

And NPC characters don't get to do as much narrative in as short of time as PCs lol

[fierce star]

the base idea is nae terrible but the presentation is unfortunately locked in a way that's kind of silly?

then again they're kind of fixing some of it, since it seems thulio's gets are like, a minority of them, maybe?

[nova yew]

I could fix them

[velvet raft]

Liminals just feel like kinda nothings to me

[merry arch]

yeah i dont really know who liminals are for 😭

[nova yew]

I don’t disagree there…

[fierce star]

liminals are 'I liked promethean let's do that but exalted' along with 'we should have more terrestiral level exalted'

[nova yew]

I’m not huge on liminals

[lament owl]

I feel like their lore definitly needs work

but like... books are where you put in that work?

[nova yew]

Maybe I’ll warm up to them but I’m not huge on em

[mighty rover]

Promethean players i think

[velvet raft]

I'm glad they got rid of this, but back in 2e it was possible to give a Yozi therapy by inventing custom charms

[nova yew]

Omg

OMG

[velvet raft]

Since the yozi were living masses of charms

[nova yew]

WHY DID THEY GET RID OF IT ;-;

I COULD FIX HIM OMG

[fierce star]

yeah, we'll see waht the thinsplats for gets and lims are like

karen: see you could fix him, orrrr

you could make him worse

[nova yew]

Noooo

[velvet raft]

I'd honestly much rather the fixing or making worse take a slightly less mechanized form

[fierce star]

I'm not romancing the eternal embodiment of failure because I think he can be a better person, I'm romacing him because I remember that art from scroll of swallowed darkness

[nova yew]

He can make me worse but I’ll somehow fix him in the process

It will be funny

[nova yew]

Well he’s a giant dragon innit? Plenty to love there

[velvet raft]

Like, I agree: the Infernal relationship with the Yozi is a real selling point for them, and does a lot to humanize these deeply inhuman primordial monsters

[next delta]

Liminals are ones I also found boring. It was hard for me to get through their charms in Essence compared to every other splat

[velvet raft]

Liminals are Prometheans but without any of the angst and therefore sauce

[nova yew]

Yeah liminals just…aren’t much for me.

[next delta]

Clearly the way you do Yozi therapy is by repeatedly permanently killing their fetich soul. I'm sure there are no downsides to this

[nova yew]

NOOOO

God I’m gonna be so normal once I read infernals

[velvet raft]

You actually do need to do something about the fetich soul to cause major change

[nova yew]

Yeah but murder seems mean ;-;

[next delta]

(I guess you can kill other parts of their soul hierarchy too)

[velvet raft]

The Yozi has an unchangeable defining intimacy linked to the fetish soul

[next delta]

It also mostly fucks them up worse lol

[lament owl]

Like I really enjoy heart eaters, but at the moment I can't really visualize what a heart eater campaign would look like besides maybe "Solars but you are so much fucking worse"

but I feel like if hearteaters actually got a book, they could explain what a hearteater circle actually gets up to in interesting ways

also Umbrals just being Exalted Support Groups that take turns trying their best to be good and trying to help each other not do anything too evil when their superpowered evil side comes out, umbrals actually have a pretty strong campaign premise of being out here rotating between Being Sad And Trying To Live A Normal Life and I SEE IT I WANT IT I TAKE IT

Dream Souled kinda have an inherent campaign pitch of "Follow Your Dream" I guess

[fierce star]

ligier's definitely my fetish soul ifyouknowwhatimean

[nova yew]

I don’t know who that is unfortunately

[velvet raft]

Ligier is the Green Sun

[fierce star]

malfeas' fetich soul

[velvet raft]

The Fetich Soul of Malfeas

[fierce star]

I was mostly poking fun at the 'fetish soul' typo

but ligier is very handsome and polite

[nova yew]

Oh okay

Oh wonderful

A charmer?

Can he dance?

[merry arch]

he's also the sun in hell

[fierce star]

Can he dance

he is dance

[merry arch]

^

[velvet raft]

One of the greatest martial artists that has ever existed: composed, confident, charming, and yes the dancer

[nova yew]

Delightful

Not a bad pick

[fierce star]

he is everything Malfeas isn't and everything Malfeas hates about himself

[lament owl]

IIRC him being a dancer is a notable trait

[velvet raft]

He is everything Malfeas used to be as Theion

[next delta]

It's a different spelling of the same word right? (Though I might have still spelt out wrong). But I did like the joke

[nova yew]

…good lord, infernal smash or pass entered my brain

[velvet raft]

And he views Malfeas with tremendous disdain

[nova yew]

Hilarious that I just guessed that

[velvet raft]

And if this starts to explain some things about Malfeas

Well, it should.

[nova yew]

Nothing about this surprises me

[merry arch]

big guy fucking hates himself

[velvet raft]

Malfeas's defining self is a reflection of the past he cannot return to, lives in continual envy of, and is pitied by.

[fierce star]

it turns out that fetich is an archaic spelling of fetish, so

[lament owl]

(Also basically unrelated but I strongly dislike Essence based exalts as an idea from the exigent book, pick ability or attribute! its more fun than just coming up with charms however you want!)

[fierce star]

learn something new every day

[velvet raft]

There's a whole line of descent with the word fetish going through Freud

[next delta]

The Yozi are generally pretty terrible by normal human standards, but it's hard not to feel at least a bit bad for them

[velvet raft]

The non-sexual meaning is the older one, iirc

[fierce star]

I like heart eaters enough that a campaign I am running/may run int he future (it's stalled out) is based around the idea that 'sidereals are tracing heart eater movements across creation and eveyr single one dies closer to uluiru than it started'

[velvet raft]

For a ritual or religious object

[next delta]

It's a good choice to avoid the modern meaning imo

[lament owl]

!!!!!!!

Yessss

[velvet raft]

Anyway I started writing a Ligier SMA

Not an SMA that Ligier uses

But one that a sid could hypothetically learn by training with him

Also it has godzilla stuff

[next delta]

... I wonder if the increase in weird older/archaic words/usage is a stylistic choice because the Yozi are old things kind of trapped in the past

[velvet raft]

Because in my mind Theion was also Godzilla

[lament owl]

Fluffy Hearteater Headcanons

• They should be attribute based(same goes for umbrals), not just because it would be neat but also because they are supposed to be foils to lunars.
• Their castes should be based off musical instrument types

[next delta]

Hmm, switching attributes vs skills is how they are doing Gets (who are foils to Sids). So that might be way they used skills for hearteaters despite being foils to lunars

[fierce star]

the 'end game' of that one is the Sovereigns banding together to fight off the heart-eaters and their pawns while whoever replaced queen ulu as their god-queen bathes herself again in the Fond of Glories and ascends as Aurora Reborn, turning all the Sovereigns into a new generation of Aurorals

[velvet raft]

I have mixed feelings about Gets

[lament owl]

Oh that is fun

[velvet raft]

I mostly feel like they should be a small faction of Sids

Not unlike the Brim-Hats in Witch Hat Atelier

"Rakan Thulio found some exaltations that Oramus and whatshisface made one time" doesn't do as much for me.

[next delta]

As someone coming into Exalted basically fresh for 3E, I like their breaking reality style nonsense. But I respect that Sids-enjoyers are annoyed at the intrusion into the Sidreal roles and themes

[lament owl]

So
I like Geitimians at least partially because I enjoy "Fighting For A World That Doesn't Exist" as a motivation

my impression of Gets is that they are tripping balls on multiverse theory

which admttedly

Gets being the one "New Foil Exalt" that got in does really work for them thematically

"The only guy who got to be canon of an entire group of things" is like, their thing

sorry

[velvet raft]

The gets also just feel very awkwardly shoved into a lot of things

And, maybe this will change, but at present it seems like they don't have much going on other than being sid foils

[next delta]

I think a fun Get antagonist idea is one where the world they came from the players characters were the "bad guys"* and so they are trying to stop them. But the PCs of course don't know who this person is or why they hate them

* Well, the PCs are probably going to look like that to many people anyways

[buoyant summit]

mfw I find out Ice is Air but Mist is Water

hhhnnnnggghhhhhhh

[next delta]

I am mostly confused at Ice being air because I don't know what damage stuff water is (for protection from element effects)

[fierce star]

Yeah that whole campaign idea is like, the sourc eof the one auroral charm I've written up so far, lmao.

Opaline Rebirth
Cost: 10xp, 20m, 2wp. Mins: Ess 1, App 1
Type: Simple
Keywords: None
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None
The Auroral must use this charm while touching the opal bones of a heart-eater after it's exaltation has been sealed into them. It does not function on a heart-eater who has any pawns remaining. The heart-eater's opaline skeleton crumbles into dust, and the exaltation within them is inverted again, turning into a new Auroral exaltation that immediately returns to Heaven. As part of this process, an Aurora can be seen for the next month, centered on the location this charm was used and visible out to five hundred miles.

Special: All Aurorals know this charm by default, until all Heart-eater exaltations have been saved. Should that occur, all Aurorals immediately gain a point of essence (up to essence 6), a point of willpower (up to willpower 10), and two free charms they qualify for.

[velvet raft]

Oh also @fierce star: thought, you could make them ability-based but just kind of make Appearance all-important to them?

[fierce star]

that isnt' a bad idea. Make appearance the target of most of their attribute swap charms, etc

[next delta]

That was one of their ideas. Though I worry that you might as well give them Appearance 5 if that's the case?

[velvet raft]

Alternately, you could just give up on symmetry and have things not be perfectly equally represented in attributes. It's not like Solar caste abilities are perfectly symmetrical

[fierce star]

true

[next delta]

Alternatively, maybe you could go a weird opposite and let other abilities be able to act like Appearance

[velvet raft]

Yeah, true

[next delta]

And then have them be Attributed exalts

[lament owl]

Also

Appearance+2 gives you the space for 4 unique pairs of attributes to form your castes

[velvet raft]

Iteration was hoping for five

[lament owl]

Oh right

[fierce star]

what I have so far is this. As you can see, str and wits are both underrepresented.

[next delta]

So like, they are all pretty, but some are pretty in very unusual ways (when they use a different stat for the appearance effect)

[fierce star]

hmm. Stat swaps for appearance isn't a bad idea either actually

[velvet raft]

Maybe not have Appearance show up in the dice pools themselves, and don't give them any stat swaps to appearance, but have Appearance effect important stuff like ... charm caps? I dunno.

[lament owl]

Strength based heart eater that does that wall slam type flirting

[next delta]

You'll probably have to give a little extras bonus to appearance stuff for them, but I think it helps with the "why don't they all take app 5" problem

(Which is only really a problem if there is more than one though)

[fierce star]

their current charm cap is (attribute + intimacy + 1) OR their target's, whichever is higher* (*they may spend a willpower to excellency on an ally's behalf)

[next delta]

Spitballing: you choose your Unnatural Beauty stat which acts like appearance but also gives bonus dice whenever your relevant stat exceeds their resolve. The Appearance tree is extra good at getting a high stat here?

[lament owl]

Oh that is fun

I did feel like their exigent book excellency needed some work

I was just gonna make it Attribute+Intimacy but they can also their excellency on Pawns

[next delta]

(choosing appearance gives you a bonus to the effective stat I guess)

[fierce star]

hmm

[lament owl]

But making it more of a “on ally behalf” thing in exchange for a willpower cost let’s them do support shit and works better for normal Aurorals

[next delta]

I unreasonably like this because it means you want low resolve troops for war because you want them to be incredibly infatuated by you easily lol

[fierce star]

lol

yeah I like this unnatural beauty idea, I'll roll it around in my head some and try to figure out what happens when you're unnatural beauty is from appearance

still need to figure out how to evenly split 9 attributes across 5 aspects though

[next delta]

(I don't remember the official exigent write up, granted)

[lament owl]

Its very barebones

They are resonant with adamant and can do up to celestial sorcery but no necromancy

[fierce star]

which I've kept for aurorals, yeah

no keywords for MAs

was tempted to let them learn a single SMA (PAoC) but shied away from that

[lament owl]

Thinking about how cool that one charm the sovereigns have in their occult tree

Which lets them as terrasterials learn one celestial spell, but they gain a limit every time they cast it

Always thought that charm was cool flavorfully

[velvet raft]

I like ASOM’s idea a bunch, too

Basically like a Solaroid’s Supernal

Plus that does kinda ease up the burden on player vanity (it’s me, I have the vanity)

[fierce star]

Unnatural Beauty
Every Auroral is beautiful in some way, in methods that transcend mortal understanding of beauty; in a way that speaks to every aching heart across creation. When you create your Auroral, choose one caste attribute to be their Unnatural Beauty attribute. You may use that attribute instead of Appearance for all calculations that would normally rely on Appearance; additionally, charms of that attribute will have the Unnatural Beauty tag, giving additional effects if that attribute is your Unnatural Beauty attribute.

Unnatural Appearance Sidebar
"So what if I pick Appearance?"
Some Aurorals maintain a standard of beauty that is relatively normal, yet superlative still. Aurorals with Appearance as their Unnatural Beauty are more capable of using it than other Aurorals; aside from the bonus to their charms, they may also choose to gain the Hideous merit at will when it would suit them as they twist their beauty to something inhuman and uncanny.

needs a snappier name but I am liking the Juice here

[velvet raft]

Infernals had spirit charms broken up by Yozi of origin in 2e, and it worked great. In practice they functioned very similarly to attribute exalts but their charm trees could be more complex and varied, so one could have an "I summon green flames" charm that branched off into social, oracular, and combat charms or whatever, as was suitable.

(Their excellencies were really cool, rather than being tied to an attribute or ability they were tied to a way of behaving)

(So like a SWLIHN excellency could make one very good at acting like SWLIHN)

[lament owl]

fascinating

[velvet raft]

(A real "what would jesus do" type of beat >_>)

We were never going to get that in 3e, tragically, but I remember it fondly

Infernals had some of the best-loved mechanics in 2e (which, to be fair, was a very busted game)

Breaking up by Yozi also let the dynamic of caste/favored/non-favored be preserved

Since you had a caste yozi, and a favored yozi

[nova yew]

honestly with how much exalted takes inspiration from...i think greek mythology and xianxia genre stuff, it would be funny to bring in other religious aesthetics for other thematics.

this isnt related to your end statement but the jesus thing reminded me of it

[velvet raft]

The Unconquered Sun is straight out of Roman mythology

A lot of Rome in general

But like there is literally a Roman deity by that name

Sol Invictus

[nova yew]

oh thats for sure true

theres just a lot of room for bringing in shit from norse myths in terms of vibes, or Abrahamic aesthetics showing up in places you don't expect, and tbh Shinto stuff wouldn't actually be out of place whatsoever and may have even inspired some stuff anyway.

lots of places to draw from

[velvet raft]

Yeah, there's a ton of Shinto

And Hinduism, and Chinese folklore, and just a lot

[nova yew]

yeah

like all of that isnt even a "bringing in different aesthetics" those are just

in the aesthetics

thats in the book

[prisma sun]

Gosh I wonder what other religions Karen (angelic and radiant) wants to bring in

[nova yew]

LOOK

I DIDN'T JUST WANT

TO BRING IN CHRISTIANITY I TRIED TO BRING IN VARIETY

[prisma sun]

THROWING APPLES

[nova yew]

I TRIED

AUGH

MEAN

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-lotr-apple-lord-of-the-rings-gif-11646810

[nova yew]

I did try its just they drew aesthetics from fucking EVERYTHING

[velvet raft]

I would say that Sids and Solars both have some angelic vibes already

[nova yew]

animism, reincarnation, polytheism, strange underworlds, strange and alien demons, its got

so much

[nova yew]

sids ill agree with

solars.....to me solars are not quite angelic

the only angelic aesthetics are the sun motifs

[velvet raft]

The anima banner is a lot of things but it’s also a halo

[nova yew]

to me being angelic is also about the role you play

sids are the managers of fate and agents of heaven, they are in service to those forces

solars...theyre more independent

[prisma sun]

Well they are now

But they were intended to be working for Heaven too

[nova yew]

i had assumed they were given quite a bit of leeway in running things during the first age

[velvet raft]

That’s fair, maybe it would be more on target to say there are solars with saint vibes

[tulip folio]

Good news: We have a god who'll bring angels. Her name is CeCe and she'll all about that God of Exodus stuff 😛

[nova yew]

fair enough

though in that case, as of right now solars arent quite angelic

[tulip folio]

Summons Locusts, Makes People Walk Through the Desert For Multiple Years

[nova yew]

oh yeah saint vibes for sure

abyssals...abyssals occasionally seem to draw on biblical vibes. not always, but y'know one of the deathlords is a bishop

[nova yew]

oh?

[velvet raft]

Interestingly, btw, Sids don’t have a priest caste, because all Sids are considered priests

[nova yew]

tracks yeah

sids are like, the most angelic, from what ive gathered so far, of the exalts

[tulip folio]

Cecelyne, The Endless Desert is one of the Yozi. She works with Faith and Devotion and Deserts. She's very Old Testament Yahweh.

[velvet raft]

The Maidens are also like … right over there

[nova yew]

oh fun

[velvet raft]

YHWH hsssssss

But yeah her 2E iconic was a nun

Like an evil sexy nun

[fierce star]

who was IIRC also Moses

[nova yew]

oh my god

okay

perfect i guess

[velvet raft]

But still

[nova yew]

nevermind!
looks like exalted draws from fucking everything

[velvet raft]

Random nun

[tulip folio]

Like one of her iconic things is Creating Laws people must live under.

SWLIHN is logical and calculating but CeCe is hierarchy

[velvet raft]

(I am hissing because the Tetragrammaton is literally the unpronounceable name of god)

[fierce star]

Sulumor (the hellnun) is the, well, nuh. Aside from her you have Sky Pirate (iconic adjoran), ANGRY BARBARIAN (Iconic Malfeas), Carcination Man! (SWLIHN), and Sneaky Ninja (ebby)

by their powers combined they're dysfunctional

[nova yew]

"with our powers combined we form 50% of a functional person!"

"it's also not an even distrubtion, one of us is 40% functional the rest are 2%"

[tulip folio]

Hey, I'm sure they have a lot of halves of functional people. They're strewn all over the ground after a fight.

[nova yew]

true

[fierce star]

I want to note captain gyrfalcon, the iconic adjoran one, is uh

a dandy, loud as hell, loves singing nad music and telling people how great he is and how fearsome a pirate he is and look at all the attention and noise I make

[prisma sun]

Why is there a booby nun

[tulip folio]

Because CeCe

[nova yew]

god forbid women do any- actually this one might be sanctioned by a god

[merry arch]

women are allowed to have hobbies and religions it's true

[tulip folio]

Also on a more meta level: I imagine they went with the nun to make it clear that the desert themes of CeCe are supposed to be YHWH-inspired, not 'ANCIENT EGYPT MUMMY POWERS GO'

[nova yew]

hobbies and bobbies...

[merry arch]

https://tenor.com/view/olivia-wilde-olivia-olivia-wilde-shaking-head-olivia-wilde-bobbing-head-olivia-wilde-head-gif-26662105

[wise ocean]

kind of funny that they made Titty Nun and then went oh. wait. we kind of forgot this whole setting is supposed to be Vaguely Eastern and added some ofuda for the hell of it

[buoyant summit]

You could have also done this with a haggard blind prophet or something but fair enough xD

[fierce star]

yeah but sexy nuns sell more books

[buoyant summit]

They do and I hate that xD

[nova yew]

they shoulda went all in!!!!

inexplicable nun!!!

[buoyant summit]

I kind of object to the idea they needed to make everything Eastern-themed by their own constraints

The sun God wouldn't be Sol Invictus then xD

[tulip folio]

To be fair, exalted is pretty big and broad. It's not all eastern-themed.

[buoyant summit]

Yeah I was challenging Ash's statement

[velvet raft]

Wouldn’t that add up to 48

[fierce star]

2% margin of error

[nova yew]

yeah

[wise ocean]

"imperial chinarome" is how I've had it described to me in the past, and that does seem to fit with how everything I've seen is at least Vaguely eastern

[nova yew]

give or take personal growth

[buoyant summit]

I think her having Not*Ofuda is a mostly thoughtless 'oh this is cool'

The Dynasty is fucking weird Ash, yeah lol

[tulip folio]

I mean, nuns are very rome 😛

And hey, as bad as her outfit is...at least it's not Sorcerer and Savant.

[velvet raft]

It’s a grab-bag, I think. The East Asian-themed stuff is just often more noticeable because we don’t take it for granted.

[buoyant summit]

That's fair

I do admittedly like Lunars cuz they achieve (to my western eyes) a more obvious overall admixture of world mythologies

[velvet raft]

Unrelated: I will say, I am baffled by the change in Adorjan’s portrayal

[tulip folio]

We've got stuff like the Shogunate which is more Sparta than Shogunate. XD

[buoyant summit]

Solars go entirely too much into Greek Shit™

Like, tonally

[velvet raft]

She was such a big part of the demon city’s whole vibe

And now she just Likes Murders I Guess

[fierce star]

wait do they do not the 'everyone is super noisy all the time to keep her away because she just murders everyone' anymore?

[velvet raft]

It’s mentioned very offhand and with much less clarity

And Adorjan as a character seems to have lost all of the abusive, murderous lover vibes

[tulip folio]

Aww, I liked that I WILL LOVE YOU TO DEATH aspect.

[fierce star]

awh what's even the point if her hate isnt' safer than her love

[buoyant summit]

Soon the legend of Ledaal Midura shall begin; ice-cold Water-Aspect scion of a minor branch family of the threshold, sent to the Heptagram School following the completion of their training in martial arts

A peerless Shikari weapon in human form

[nova yew]

oh hell yeah another ledaal!

my abyssal was from there
...and her dragon blooded brother

[buoyant summit]

lol

It is in fact High Drama that mine is the Wrong Aspect

Which their mother resents because they are her only Exalted child

[nova yew]

HAH

That can HAPPEN?

[merry arch]

yup sure can

[nova yew]

I didn’t know aspects could be wrong that’s hilarious

[prisma sun]

Well Houses try to cultivate one particularly aspect usually

[nova yew]

Love db drama

Interesting interesting

[prisma sun]

but because they intermarry so often it's all possibble

[nova yew]

What’s ledaal’s?

Corebook either skipped past it or I missed it

[buoyant summit]

It's supposed to be Air

I am Water

[nova yew]

Lmao

[buoyant summit]

Which is why their elemental theme is Ice

Because Ice is Air

For

Some

[nova yew]

I love that

[buoyant summit]

Fucking reason

[nova yew]

I mean it kinda makes sense

Water is the rainy seasons

But air is when it gets colder

It’s not like the rest make more sense

Wood…fire…uh, earth…

None of those make water any colder I guess

[prisma sun]

A good portion of ice's volume is usually trapped air ☝️ 🤓

[nova yew]

Guards throw his ass to the labyrinth

[buoyant summit]

Voy you nerd fu-

[prisma sun]

You guys keep throwing me in the labyrinth, but it's not like the minotaur can't get more pregnant.

[nova yew]

theres a minotaur down there?

holy shit

we gotta get the boys down there

(alternate universe where minos didnt imprison the minotaur he just sorta wandered in on his own)

[prisma sun]

why did he have it in the first place

[nova yew]

tax writeoff

[velvet raft]

Much less so in 3e, fwiw

[prisma sun]

They do still explicitly say so

[velvet raft]

They still have a dominant aspect, but it's not nearly as big a deal

[prisma sun]

If you're male you probably are getting married off to another aspect house tho

[velvet raft]

If only because the eugenics aspect of the Deebs being accurate to reality has been scaled back a lot

Gods, Breeding. What a merit.

[nova yew]

oh thats what its called?

thats amazin

[prisma sun]

Well Breeding still has like 2 different merits

[nova yew]

OH?

SO AWESOME

[velvet raft]

Breeding was a 2e merit

[prisma sun]

You can turn your nut off from core

[nova yew]

abyssals get whispers in their book

wonder what dbs get?

[prisma sun]

or shut your womb up

[nova yew]

yeah, conception control or whatever is a merit

which was
great tonesetter when i cracked open the rulebook

[velvet raft]

Which measured the purity of your Dragonblood's lineage

[prisma sun]

https://i.imgur.com/oQQan6L.png

[velvet raft]

It scaled from 1 to 5

And expanded your mote pools

[prisma sun]

Oh it's old WW mechanically enforced eugenics

gotcha

[tulip folio]

Now days it's just a Social Benefit

Not really a metaphysically powerful effect

[velvet raft]

Right, whereas Well-Bred just reflects the social realities of Deeb culture

[nova yew]

well if you happen to have kids i guess they'll probably exalt

[velvet raft]

It's probably more likely

[nova yew]

well very explicitly more likely

[tulip folio]

See, I achieve that by just throwing my kids off cliffs until they start glowing. I currently have zero non-glowing children around.

[dense verge]

heihachi behavior

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/tekken-heihachi-laughing-heihachi-mishima-tekken-8-gif-15611821937874933826

[velvet raft]

https://tenor.com/clR3x0HaCZo.gif

[prisma sun]

good combo of gifs