Exalted

[feral cipher]

I'm really not sure why that's the skill that gets that but I won't complain for a way to shoot lightning from my fingers without having to actually invest in magic

[buoyant summit]

wait abyssals can do lightning shit?

Cool

[velvet raft]

Extremely tragic and discouraging

Oh, the version from melee could do it

That's a pain to have to grab both

Unclear on whether it would require attacking with melee for the chains

I guess so, yeah

[feral cipher]

couple upgrade charms to this too

[velvet raft]

Force lightning

But dark

[feral cipher]

that's just force lighting ain't it

[velvet raft]

Well visually I mean

[tulip folio]

Most exalts have a variant on this with their own twist.

I like the sid one best because it works with a lot of martial arts.

[feral cipher]

The rest of Lore's charms is like... 'say a truth of the world so grim everybody becomes catatonically depressed' type shit

[tulip folio]

Abyssal: "This game will never reach E5, your planned build is pointless."
Other PCs: Sad

[feral cipher]

TRUE

[ruby geyser]

crypt bolt is less force lightning and more like, throwing lightning bolts by hand

https://tenor.com/mqQ4H5T4rkG.gif

[ruby geyser]

but yeah its the abyssal answer to blazing solar chakram or w/e

[buoyant summit]

wth is Lunar's version?

[tulip folio]

Alchemicals seeing all these mystical methods of attack and developing their own.

[bleak hazel]

useful for the latest Infernal charm

[tulip folio]

There are very few things about infernals where a hulk image is wrong

[lament owl]

I kinda went to Gwyn but that works too lmao

[limpid badge]

i've gotten to use the Survival version of this which is Introduce a Creepy Fact about Nature

which means canonically my dear Bloody Hand just Knows A Lot About Spiders

[feral cipher]

Hell yeah

[nova yew]

“You can’t wash your balls in the Burger King soda dispenser”
DESPAIR

[merry arch]

finished beamu's inspiration sheet. perfect creature

fine print: not a colossus yet

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

fuck

[nova yew]

Oh she’s so cute

The spelling mistake is in character

[vale glen]

King bringing it home, hell yeah.

[empty creek]

I should make one of these

[merry arch]

yes they're very fun

[vale glen]

Do!

[empty creek]

I have an aesthetic in mind but no name yet

[vale glen]

It's a good way to figure your fella out

[merry arch]

yes she's the dumbest adamant ever created. excellent work sodalities

[vale glen]

Which is why I ought to do one for
The Vagrant Sage of Pallid Chrysanthemum
but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Faustian motherfucker.

[empty creek]

Lunar, Full Moon, Northerner, Sabretooth totem, probably very Conan-coded in outlook

[vale glen]

He just loves to gamble, and that's what makes me love him so. Stupid ass guy got exalted as an infernal because he dedicated his entire life to running from his self hatred by winning all the time at gambling when what he really needed to do is realise he was born to play the game, not win it.

[velvet raft]

@tulip folio it’s utter tragedy that the chains can only be used with dexterity

[vale glen]

He lost once and immediately went "fuck this, I was running from everything by trying to win a game when clearly luck is the ultimate arbiter. I just need to become a demon prince instead."

[tulip folio]

I know, right?

[velvet raft]

Or, they can be used with strength, but only via melee

I’m slightly unclear on why the brawl version even mentions heavy weapons, it’s not like brawl has any

[tulip folio]

Improvised weapons can be heavy

[velvet raft]

Ah true

But not medium?!

Aaaaaaaaaaa

[tulip folio]

Don't ask me there. XD

[velvet raft]

“You can hit him with a bottle via strength, and you can hit him with a pillar via strength, but you cannot hit him with a chair via strength”

[knotty island]

realising she has to try to make a custom charm work.

[buoyant summit]

I can tell you how custom charms on the Google sheet work later

[limpid badge]

someday she'll be a colossus

[merry arch]

give her a hundred years or so and she'll be even bigger

[feral cipher]

being funny with my specialties

[nova yew]

hell yeah

[tulip folio]

Hmm...back to tinkering with my homebrew exalted martial arts and not really sure if First Pulse's Form is up to snuff.

First Pulse Form
Cost: 8m; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Simple
Keywords: Form
Duration: One scene
Prerequisite Charms: Flagstones Meets Face, Street Shifts Underfoot
First Pulse Style prizes action and despises hesitation. It strikes fast and relentlessly, hammering the foe again and again until they are nothing but red stains upon the cobblestones.

The martial artist gains the following benefits:
  -She ignores the initiative cost to attack with Improvised Weapons.
  -Improvised weapons she wields can be treated as any appropriate mundane melee weapon (Such as butcher's cleaver as an Improvised Axe) and gaining the Balanced and Grappling tags while she wields them.
  -She adds (1/2 Athletics, rounded up) to her base initiative when she resets after an Unexpected Attack, Savage or Throw/Slam.
  -She reduces the Defence Penalty for Surprise Attacks and Grappling by 1.

Special Activation Rules: Whenever the martial artist wins Join Battle, she may reflexively enter this Form.

[fierce star]

the second bit carries a lot of the strength, tbh. It's a little 'gm may I' but like, I think it works well?

[buoyant summit]

There is an admittedly long shot I am getting in an Abyssal game

Where all the characters serve the Black Heron

[nova yew]

oooo

[buoyant summit]

The slot that's open is for a Moonshadow

[merry arch]

charm point: BeaMu always has a lollipop in her mouth. artifact lollipop that never dissolves. or something. 👍

[buoyant summit]

Everlasting Jadestopper

[merry arch]

she's got a tremendous sweet tooth.

[prisma sun]

Our Deeb Mech pilot is finally done

I described to the player how the Neverborn work and she immediately made a Major Tie of Deathlords (Kill those guys)

[buoyant summit]

Fucking Amazing

btw can you make an Abyssal who is both a necromancer and not a shit combatant themselves?

Well

[prisma sun]

Yes

[buoyant summit]

I suppose that'd be easier with a Caste other than Moonshadow

[prisma sun]

Necromancy is like 1 charm

3 if you wanna be The Best Necromancer

[buoyant summit]

Whuh?

[prisma sun]

Yeah

You can be a melee apocalyptic Invincible Sword Princess and also know a little necromancy

Or a lot of necromancy

It's inefficent to try and cast mid-combat

but you can like, lead your zombie hordes or summon your cool skull throne to pose on

[buoyant summit]

I will probably be a dabbler then

Cuz I primarily wanna be like

very emblematic of the Black Heron

Who is a fighter/assassin and employs others as necromancers

Tho given Moonshadow's signature abilities it's probably gonna be more like being a warrior-poet with a dash of necromancy on the side

[prisma sun]

Waking Smith of Scrimshawed Bones knows a decent amount of Necromancy

but it's mostly because he needs laborers

[buoyant summit]

If anything mine would know 'Summon mass of skeletons' to just

bogard combat problems she doesn't wanna deal with in the moment

[prisma sun]

Yeah same

Waking Smith had a goremaul as a construction tool first and foremost

[buoyant summit]

And then get in High Falutin' Honor Duels with opposing champions

[nova yew]

YES YES YES SO CUTE

[merry arch]

if you're trying to be an assassin and dabbling in some necromancy, picking up ivory circle necromancy for abhorrence of breath's control effect is pretty good

[prisma sun]

Okay I dont think they had lollipops invented yet due to requiring a stabilizing syrup however

[merry arch]

she also introduces herself the exact same way every single time she meets someone new.
hi!! im Beauteous Colossus of Martial Unity! does a cute pose everyone calls me BeaMu though!!!!

[prisma sun]

Alternative

[nova yew]

Memorized

[nova yew]

Now I don’t know much about Alchemicals

But this one might be in their wheelhouse

[prisma sun]

https://youtu.be/bt054wxg2po?si=XlkxZDx1QMZRQ8j7

[nova yew]

Omg

[prisma sun]

Korit is my one armed heavily scarred grandson to the Scarlet Empress and I have dango be his favorite food

Guy richer than your family ever will be weilding the demon sword Stormcaller sits down and tells his entire entourage to wait so he can have your dango of the day

[merry arch]

if that's the case then she can just have rock candy on a stick that regenerates or something. I'm not worried about it she just reallyyyy likes sugar. it also gives her a prop to point at people with when she's talking to them

[nova yew]

Good vibes

[nova yew]

it can be sword shaped!!!!

[nova yew]

I gotta think about my abyssal’s fav food now

Underworld dishes probably go crazy

[wise ocean]

I was picturing rock candy that looks like a tetsubo

[merry arch]

oh fuck yes

[nova yew]

YES

[wise ocean]

my vision is pure

[nova yew]

She’s also a former dragon blood so…okay I don’t know my exalt lore

But what’s the general food culture of the Realm.

[nova yew]

It’s peak

[buoyant summit]

I think we may have it boys

I said 'yeah she's an open and relatively honest diplomat for the Spy Assassin Goddess' xD

[nova yew]

Eeeeee

Congrats

[buoyant summit]

They have said they're still fielding other responses

So don't congrats me yet xD

[prisma sun]

I am going to have to think of a way to make the Exigent feel more empowered

[nova yew]

Ah fair

[prisma sun]

Considering we have The Captain who is in charge

[nova yew]

Wishing you luck

[prisma sun]

A sid

And a mecha pilot

I am considering her finding out that the gods really liked her patron

So spirits just like her

So she keeps picking up funny blessings

Like being able to breath underwater from a sea god

[buoyant summit]

That's deeply funny

[lament owl]

Is the Exigents patron alive or did they die to spark the flame?

But the many small blessings thing is very fun

Eclipse charm coded

[prisma sun]

Died

[buoyant summit]

This gm is now very openly going 'yeah your character concept is very cool and going for several things I explicitly want to go for' so

Fingers crossed!

[next delta]

Foodstuffs, leather, timber, and other raw materials may be harvested from the bodies of appropriate demons, though many rebuff such violations.
I can't imagine why they might object to this

[buoyant summit]

The demonleather grips on my soulsteel daiklave can't seem to object

[knotty island]

I wonder what the haft of Illuminates All Under Heaven looks like.

Probably a reinforced hardwood?

[buoyant summit]

likely ironwood tbh

it's reasonably plentiful

[merry arch]

could be ironwood

[buoyant summit]

in the East it's pretty much right there

Aspen

xD

I just said that lmao

sorry, that came off aggressive when I was trying to highlight for humor

[merry arch]

connection issues

[buoyant summit]

R e a l

[knotty island]

nod.

[buoyant summit]

I get you aspen, my apologies

[merry arch]

ironwood is also buoyant so. weapon is less likely to sink to the bottom of a body of water if you lose your grip on it

[knotty island]

I think the about 35lb of moonsteel has something to say about that.

[buoyant summit]

lmao

[merry arch]

anyways BeaMu has a set of smashfists that let her anticipate future actions of her enemies. truly leaning so fucking hard into the idiot savant archetype with her

the gauntlets are doing probability mapping

she's too dumb for that

[dense verge]

gearing up for a campaign?

[prisma sun]

No campaign in swing

We already going

[dense verge]

oh hell nice

whats the swing of things there?

[prisma sun]

Whatcga mean

[dense verge]

i forget if i heard about that game or not yet, whats the plot status

a mech pilot, sid, exigent, and The Captain is an eclectic bunch

[prisma sun]

Finding an ancient treasure

Captain and foxigent are part of the crew

Sidereal is to keep the treasure out of the hands of the enemies of fate

Ghost Blood Deeb Mechapilot has just escaped from the underworld as the ship gets attacked by the Drowner of Saints

The ancient treasure is in fact a way to control an impossibly powerful behemoth

And the goal will most likely shift to stopping the Chosen of Slaughter and the Drowner from getting it

[dense verge]

hell yeah

[buoyant summit]

@graceful geode to shift to the appropriate chat xD

Given the party already has three fucking necromancers I am not going to be one

Despite Occult being a Caste ability

sadface

[velvet raft]

Question: if a weapon has the melee and grapple tags, does that mean melee can be used to do grapple gambits with it?

[buoyant summit]

@graceful geode Apoc Socialize is fucking bullshit lmao

[velvet raft]

Vampire Classic

[buoyant summit]

Nobody Can Ever Hate Me Technique

[velvet raft]

Performance has a good amount of top-notch stuff

The dance line in particular

[buoyant summit]

Eh, she's not really a dancer

[velvet raft]

Sure, I'm just talking about social skill charms for Abyssals being rad in general

Take a look at Dance With Death + Macabre Dancer's Rhythm, shit's wild

Dirge of Death's Lawgiver is having a bard song :D

[buoyant summit]

lol nice

[velvet raft]

Here's the top (Essence 4) dance charm

[buoyant summit]

amazing lmao

[velvet raft]

YEAH

I like the dance stuff in particular because it's a dance-fighting tree

Which I find very funny

But yeah Socialize wrecks

[buoyant summit]

Are there any birds unique to the underworld?

I want the name of my character's daiklave to have a double meaning

[velvet raft]

I don't know offhand, but raitons are weird lizard-birds who occupy a similar cultural place to crows IRL

... you know, if I were going to name a sword after a bird, I think I'd go with Kingfisher

[buoyant summit]

raitonquill doesn't really roll off the tongue

I'm making a pun on a variety of dao being called a goosequill saber

[velvet raft]

aha

[buoyant summit]

And that the character does a lot of her diplomacy through writing

You know

With a quill

xD

[velvet raft]

I mean

Ravenquill

Might be too obvious

[buoyant summit]

lol

[velvet raft]

But it is there

pretty sure geese are associated with the underworld, anyway, considering they seem to be servants of oblivion

... is that a king in yellow charm?

[graceful geode]

Bec de Corvin

[velvet raft]

snrrrrk

[buoyant summit]

Fuck off Fount xD

Good pun but also god damn it

[graceful geode]

I thought it was pretty good

[velvet raft]

Man, Infernals should get a King In Yellow charm line

Or even just a Necronomicon charm line in general

hahahaha Abyssal Linguistics lets you steal Ariel's voice like Ursula the Sea Witch

[buoyant summit]

11 Socialize Charms Go

[velvet raft]

This is actually kind of the problem with Apocalyptic/Supernal

You end up spending 14 charms to get some extremely cool E5 piece of tech

But admittedly doing it with socialize doesn't preclude you from participating in non-combat situations

[buoyant summit]

Oh agreed

I just Am the Moonshadow so I kinda Need To

[velvet raft]

Oh I mean I'd do it too

[buoyant summit]

And the nice thing is actually that a lot of my other charms feed into the character I want to play with my socialize

[velvet raft]

If you're playing Abyssals without a rules change it's sort of the expectation

[buoyant summit]

i.e. shockingly honest and fair

[velvet raft]

And Abyssal social abilities are nice in that they do a lot of stuff

[buoyant summit]

and amenable to Making Deals

Also a Sith Lord

Crypt Bolt Go bzzzzzzzzzz

[feral cipher]

Oh yeah i'm rolling with an Apoc Presence moonshadow in our game and I can do some absurd stuff

I also picked up Crypt Bolt lmao

my angle is being a total asshole who uses my incredible dead guy money and standing army to throw my weight around

high presence lets me do shit like:

All mindless undead are loyal to me by default if not anybody else, and I can just turn corpses into zombies for a mote
Nobody can do anything to me socially unless they pay a willpower cost first
Trying to resist any social attempt I make will actively hurt you
I am so fucking scary that everything in my area has to Run Away Bad
I own you so badly for not taking my wicked bargain that it fucks up your relationships permanently

[feral cipher]

oh my god I missed this one, that's Nuts

i'm so full of action economy

[velvet raft]

Yep

Lets you build around threatened tech while still actually intending to fight

That's gonna be discounted by Elegant Tyrant Majesty, too

[feral cipher]

Yeah, in this case I can just keep blasting with crypt bolt or ordering my army around while getting the benefits of slamming them with ties and shit

I was fully prepared to weave social fuckery inbetween that but if I don't have to then like

Lol, lmao

Because i've got like three different ways for social stuff people have to benefit me in combat

[velvet raft]

Performance has some similar tricks to let it be a more dominant schtick

Dance has a charm that can flurry performance rolls with other stuff without penalties

And will actually enhance movement actions a bunch

[feral cipher]

My big bit in regards to this is that i picked up an artifact that makes it harder for people having negative ties to me to hurt me

[velvet raft]

And singing has bard song nonsense

Ah, is it that one suit of armor?

[feral cipher]

Yeah, Nemesis Cuirass

It also has a counterattack if they're hitting me in melee

[velvet raft]

oho

[feral cipher]

So the goal is to make people really really not like me (they can't be afraid of me or it doesn't count, it has to be different kinds of negative ties)

and then I blast them and have my zombie army kick them to death while they can't hurt me

[velvet raft]

You're reading who needs the ties backwards (I did too, the first time)

It's you who draws power from your negative ties to them

Which can't be fear

[feral cipher]

ohhh

That's still fine then lmao

[velvet raft]

Yeah, it's armor that's about you hating them

If you're afraid it doesn't work, for straightforward reasons

Still very good stuff

[feral cipher]

Not as synergistic as I thought but my guy is absolutely a hater

So it still works

[next delta]

Something that gains power from them hating or otherwise disliking you for non-fear reasons sounds pretty funny though

[velvet raft]

There is stuff in the charmset that lets you form temporary or permanent negative ties quickly, iirc

[feral cipher]

Yeah I thought that was the case and went 'oh yeah that's perfect' because my guy's whole deal is that he's on the deadly sin of Envy grindset

[velvet raft]

But yeah, the armor also helps protect your negative ties (and makes you Hideous, which I don't think matters in your case because you already are)

[feral cipher]

He was some middle class guy in Lookshy who lost the meritocracy game and spent his entire life seething about it, and now he actually has power and wealth but still has a complex about people being better than he is

and thus is a very rich very powerful and really petty little bastard

[velvet raft]

How'd he die?

Anything fun?

[feral cipher]

He just got pneumonia, and died a nobody (in his eyes)

[velvet raft]

Guess the Yozis didn't get there fast enough to Infernalize him :D

(Just reflecting that this backstory would work for an Infernal as well as an Abyssal)

[feral cipher]

The logic being that Mask really likes ambition in his people
and boy does The Grave Calls For Its Due have that

[velvet raft]

Aha

... something funny I just realized

[feral cipher]

his requested price for working under Winter's Mask was that every single person who he thinks bested or slighted him in Lookshy (he kept track) woke up the next morning crippled and in pain

[velvet raft]

The evil artifact wheelchair meshes perfectly with The Chair Spell

Seat of Deadly Splendor + Ravenous Throne

Wait no

It's mundane chairs only via the Control spell

[feral cipher]

zamn

[velvet raft]

Seat of Deadly Splendor noooooooo

[feral cipher]

I dunno how balanced it would be if we just... flipped what the Nemesis Cuirass does for my character

[velvet raft]

In fairness the Chair Spell is very strong, but this is still tragic.

[feral cipher]

I'm already refluffing the thing because he's not an armour guy...

will have to talk to the GM bout it

[velvet raft]

Honestly the Chair Spell might work for you, if you can swing a dip into necromancy

If you just want to sit on an evil chair throwing fear and death bolts at people, you could definitely do worse

[feral cipher]

Oh that is really funny

I dunno if I give a shit about necromancy, somebody in our party is already on that grind, but shit maybe

I just gotta keep in mind that getting new charms is slooow

[fierce star]

if you have the occult for it a dip in sorcery or necromancy is never a bad thing (unless it doesn't suit your concept of course). dpeending on what you pick for your ritual, it opens up neat merits and gives some good utility

[velvet raft]

No prereqs for Abyssals other than the Occult, either

[fierce star]

I have never once regretted having demon of the first circle on any character, nor summon ghost

[velvet raft]

Also, the control effect for the chair spell causes any normal chair you sit in to become an evil magic chair over the course of one minute, which is hilarious.

[feral cipher]

Yeah

It is very much under consideration

But alas, too many cool things to pick up...

[velvet raft]

I know, right? Even just at Essence 1

[feral cipher]

having the big evil chair (ties of envy is even explicitly what I want to give people!) is cool but also houghg i still need to worry about getting more defense, more Presence-maxxing, more tricks...

[velvet raft]

Targedy

[nova yew]

Oh the chair

[fierce star]

another ivory circle necromancy spell Iquite like but is kind of niche is blessed dead fools

[velvet raft]

Abyssals does lean much more on "literally just sit there and be mean to them until they die" as a real option than other splats do, and it's wonderful.

[feral cipher]

Yeah

I love that shit

The Chair might be a future pickup

[velvet raft]

Oh huh, I didn't think that would be a 1-dot merit (with a sorcerous initiation of course but)

[feral cipher]

I guess if you still wanna be hot but also scare people that's the grab for you

I don't like the Hideous dichotomy very much

Just let people throw their Appearance around how it makes sense for them to, none of this 'you have to be hot to use your appearance to be nice and you have to be scary to use it for evil'

[ruby geyser]

good news infernal lovers
the universal charms section we got today confirms they can still create their own demons, and the charms for doing so are the 3e versions of the devil-tiger tree

[bleak hazel]

I think we always knew they'd get that at least

going to have to find time to go through the devil-body boosting charms before I write my feedback on Body-Warping Blight and the poison equivalent being too much, to see what they have there

I have largely come around to the rest of the stuff but the aura of chaos spawnification or the aura of -5 penalty is a bit much

[buoyant summit]

My stuff is more just

Having an air of No One Can Hate Me

[feral cipher]

I want people to hate me so bad

[buoyant summit]

or use negative ties to resist me

[buoyant summit]

lmao

[nova yew]

Teaching u the secretsss

[nova yew]

I’m taking the embodiment of the maw and man

Iron chains has every single red flag at once including metaphysical red flags

[velvet raft]

I have in fact been trying to find something which lets me do that >_>

Not sure this one works given singing is required, tho

[ruby geyser]

okay update, this also includes the inner world creation stuff
so i think all of the broken winged crane stuff is in here just without the 'freeing yourself from the yozis and becoming the exalt of yourself' stuff, which makes sense cause 3e infernals already aren't really controlled by the yozis

[bleak hazel]

being able to spam 2 and 3cds is kind of cracked but this is not actually a problem because they are for normal sorcerors also, and these ones cost XP and investment

[fierce star]

are they more accessible than 1/month and 1/year?

[bleak hazel]

summoning is always one of those theoretically-broken things in Exalted but nobody actually rolls around with seven Octavians at once

[velvet raft]

Well obviously, there's only one Octavian

Anyway, lemme take a look

Okay, first big concept

dadada, Blasphemy charms effect the devil body, etc etc

"Bound demons" covers everything from familiars to charm-created demons to summons

Alright, so, Soul Pantheon charms. The first one wakes up your coadjutator and gives you a 1/scene benefit from them. These seem ... fairly strong? Permanent charm, too, no cost.

I suspect the one that will get the most use is the free +2 to join battle

[bleak hazel]

they have a deranged number of join battle charms from what I've seen posted

[velvet raft]

They get a 1/day mote restore charm following that

[bleak hazel]

at the very least you can get to double 7s, a few extra non-charm dice and a discount on the excellency from coadjutor

[velvet raft]

Simple, though, so hard to use mid-fight

That's for Essence 1

At Essence 2 we get another permanent charm which turns the coadjutator into their fetich soul. This gives us a "defining principle", a super-intimacy that can never be changed, and it upgrades the previous two charms

The one with the 1/scene benefits now become Forever And Always which doesn't actually make any sense with the benefit that grants a lore specialty

Also the mote-restore charm is now free from wp or i costs but I don't think that's all that big a deal

Since, again, Simple charm

Once/day

Statistically it will be a very slight bump to your daily mote regen

Then, also at Essence 2, we get a chamr that costs 20m, 1wp, and 2xp

... and five days after using it they get a second-circle demon

Essence equal to the Infernal's

Revives if killed, even permanently

Get stronger over narrative time and by doing stuff

[bleak hazel]

how many motes does the mote restore actually give you?

[velvet raft]

Also the first time you use it, no XP cost

Essence + Temp Willpower dice

[bleak hazel]

5-6, then, yeah that's no biggie

[velvet raft]

Nice to have but really not terribly important

Can be used in combat for 3i before you get it for free

Or for 1wp, I guess

It costs 3i or 1wp

That seems strong.

[bleak hazel]

I admit my preferred mechanical functionality for the custom 2cds and 3cds has been a 2e homebrew of "same summoning schedule and essence level requirements as normal demons" this whole time

so not a huge fan of them coming out at E2

do you have to actually summon them or are they permamently materialised/out?

[velvet raft]

Apparently the book is going to have a second circle demon template

Nothing specified about materialized or not

Oh also once you get third circle souls with another charm, you can give each of those a second-circle soul

Up to seven for each of them

[bleak hazel]

I can't say that I don't dislike being able to have an entire army of 2CDs/3CDs out at once, I much prefer "you have your whole cast but you can only summon the usual number"

XP cost, very reasonable

admittedly normal summoning can also deploy 12 2CDs so I guess there it's just keeping pace

[velvet raft]

Essence 3 brings us another permanent charm. This one requires you to have given your fetich all 7 of its 2CDs

And this one causes the fetich to become a 3CD external to you

The player and Storyteller should work together to determine the fetich’s traits, using
the Third Circle demons in Chapter Seven as examples.
Guys.

I thought we were past this, Onyx Path Productions.

You just mentioned a template up above!

Some inherent danger to this, but

Your fetich 3CD starts at Essence + 1

As an Essence 4 key we can get more 3CDs, one for each 2CDs we've developed for it

So this is ... 14 XP for 7 2CDs and 1 3CDs, which scale with you at least a bit

Less cost to losing 3CDs other than the fetich

But still some

[bleak hazel]

I like that it still hurts, and you can't just spam 3CD equivalents at your enemies from the other side of the planet

[velvet raft]

And at Essence 5 another key lets us give all of our 3CDs +1 Essence

So hypothetically, an Essence 5 infernal will have them at Essence 7

That's all for the soul pantheon charms

Next up is inner world

Our starter charm at E1 is just a permanent charm that lets you meditate to enter your inner world

It's not ... entirely clear if this is physical entry, how long it takes, really this is like 1/3 of a charm

While in your Inner World, your essence regen is faster

You can't bring physical things in or out of it

But I have no idea if this includes you, or if you can just Zoidberg out using this

https://tenor.com/vDGl.gif

Our second E1 charm lets us pay 1m to create illusionary imagery from our inner world, though this can't be used for anything other than showing off

If meditating (?), we can pay 2m+1wp to ... make bigger, more substantial stuff happen in a wider area? It seems to be suggested that this could do stuff but it's not really clear.

E3 key lets these whatevers last much longer, on the order of hours, if they come by way of meditation

After that, still at E2, we can meditate for a scene to physically enter the inner world

This provides some clarification on the first charm

We get even faster mote recovery and have the ability to reshape it by introducing facts

Another scene of meditation to leave

Appearing in the same place where we left

With a difficulty 7 check, it's possible to detect where the Infernal has gone and use other magic to force their way in

And if they seem stranded they can still force their way out with a difficulty 5 Anything check

Essence 3 key lets us bring some folks with us when we go, Essence 4 key lets us bring a goddamn battle group for 10 motes

[bleak hazel]

good commentary from the exalted server

[velvet raft]

Yes this seems about right

[prisma sun]

Lmao

[velvet raft]

Like

The Yozis did make you for entertainment

You are doing god's work

[bleak hazel]

things I dislike about Infernals: Torments seem like instant win buttons, demon spam seems decidedly too effective compared to regular summoning even for The Demon Exalts and as with summoning is constrained entirely by the social contract
things I like about Infernals: you can curse the money muhahahaha

(also like all the other charms)

[prisma sun]

Everyone who touches this penny will want my dick

[bleak hazel]

while I do think the Torments are overpowered it is funny that you can take up to 15 dots of them and attach them all to the same AOE vector for colossal penalties to anyone you manage to beat the resolve of

my devil-body is me, but unimaginably unpleasant to be around

totally normal otherwise

[prisma sun]

Still has horrific transformation sequences

[nova yew]

Magical girl transformation but it transforms into the exact same guy but with awful vibes

[buoyant summit]

Inspo for Final Envoy, the Abyssal I shall hopefully start playing soon

[limpid badge]

see ive been assuming that without a Form taken the Devil-Body is just a devil-trigger

[prisma sun]

I would hope so

[limpid badge]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a3/2e/ea/a32eeae70b596f607535627ba0313270.jpg

These are Devil-Bodies.

[nova yew]

Fuck yeah

[buoyant summit]

Do I give Final Envoy a Cool Dog

[nova yew]

You gotta

[next delta]

Huh, so do Infernals keep their regular human souls even as they play Yozi by making their own soul Pantheon?

It's also interesting to me that the soul-Pantheon demons will have higher essence than the Infernal themself

[velvet raft]

Not stated

At least in 3e

I dunno about 2e

[next delta]

Probably sticks around then

[velvet raft]

The soul dynamics of the Exalted are already weird

This makes it worse

[buoyant summit]

Instead of a Cool Dog she has received Weird Cult

Who act like the Kings of New Vegas do in regards to her

i.e. try to emulate her

And succeed in mostly just being overexaggerated

[limpid badge]

i mean a cult of body-doubles

is pretty funny

[velvet raft]

Weird cult of cool dogs

[buoyant summit]

"They all fucking shaved their heads..."

[lunar magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-smith-me-gif-13425234

[buoyant summit]

lmao

But yeah both she and her cult are based out of her Manse, the Chateau d'Iferno, a forbidding, well maintained mansion of wood and stone within a large, unusually quiet garden park of the Quarter Magnificent

If you spot the twin references in the name you get a digital cookie

[prisma sun]

I think if I make an Infernal I'm obligated to make them more Dante than Vergil since Korit is already A Vergil

[next delta]

Especially since the pantheon are souls that live outside of you by default

[limpid badge]

a cool infernal is very good

[next delta]

The Inner World Charms are very fertile "boss fight" material

[limpid badge]

honestly havin fun rotating Layabout its very good

[prisma sun]

Wait

[limpid badge]

just let that clown domain expansion > devil body

[prisma sun]

The unner world charms YEAH

DO WE FINALLY HAVE DOMAIN EXPANSION

[velvet raft]

Sorta

I talked about a bunch of them upthread

You can create illusions of the inner world at essence 1 and you can pull things and creatures out of it at essence 2

[velvet raft]

You can bring them into the Inner World for safety

I guess

[nova yew]

Oooo

Infernals seem cool

[prisma sun]

The Brazen Prince Denied His Splendor

Okay my brain is mixing Sukuna and Dante together like a cartoon scientist pouring mixtures into two deperate vials back and forth

[nova yew]

Evil fucking concoction

[prisma sun]

Wacky yahoo pizza time except he doesn't recognize anything beneath him as human

[nova yew]

Peak actually

[limpid badge]

YAY

i have to go read a bunch of shonen to try and piece together the Components that made the Layabout Prince

i think he also has some Sakuna in there good for her

[velvet raft]

This is, btw, the upper limit on pulling things out of the Inner World in the Universal charms

No idea if specific abilities do other stuff

This feels like it is getting out of hand

[next delta]

Huh. Do you technically need that charm to let people out of your inner world that you put in there with Sanctum-Soul Threshold meditation?

[next delta]

Especially since you can have up to four Devil-bodies

[velvet raft]

Naw

You can use Sanctum-Soul for that

[ruby geyser]

i think they just leave with you

[tulip folio]

this is not even my final form

[velvet raft]

And they can potentially break out themselves

[next delta]

Ah, it's mildly unclear

Yeah, I know about the breaking out part

[limpid badge]

i love using intimacies to flesh out a character
No Sin I Commit Will Ever Justify My Suffering (Debauched Solipisism) [DEFINING PRINCIPLE]
I am above such petty things as Walking (Minor Principle)

[next delta]

Well, not explicit

[feral cipher]

fuck yeah

I have I Deserve More Than Everybody Else (Defining Principle)

[fierce star]

Idly I knwo the yozi descriptions got posted, has anyone posted the Kimbery one/is there one for Kimbery?

[ruby geyser]

[fierce star]

👀

oh yes she has the Juice

[nova yew]

I’ve finally gotten every intimacy I want down

[feral cipher]

Hell yeaaah

[velvet raft]

Weird thought: a Sid studying martial arts with Ligier and developing an SMA based on what they learn

[lament owl]

I could see it(doesn’t know what a Ligier is)

[velvet raft]

Liger is the fetich soul of Malfeas

The Green Sun himself

Possibly the strongest individual being

[chilly sluice]

he is the opposite of Malfeas in a lot of ways

and yeah, incredibly powerful

[velvet raft]

An unrivaled martial artist, who refuses to fight anything less than a full circle of experienced solars

There's no reason to think he can do SMA, but I bet an SMA could be based on him

[chilly sluice]

Ligier is what Malfeas wishes he still was, but can't be any more
Calm, courteous, restrained but confident

[velvet raft]

Perhaps more than anything, he resents and pities Malfeas

Because uh

Malfeas does not feel good about himself.

He's also not embarrassed about being a dancer

Whereas Malfeas is an extraordinary dancer by nature and hates himself for it

[chilly sluice]

Malfeas hates himself a lot in general

[velvet raft]

Yeah

[fierce star]

Ligier is all that remains of Theion, in many ways, who Malfeas was before he was Malfeas.

[velvet raft]

You gotta think about what it means to have a fetich soul, a core self, who thinks you just kind of suck.

This is what being a Yozi is like

Figuratively but also literally: the Exalted skinned him, cracked open his rib cage, shoved all but one of his siblings inside, and then put his skin back on as a straightjacket

[fierce star]

All but two

(of hte one still alive)

[velvet raft]

Oh true Autochthon and Gaia, so three

I was thinking Cecelyne

They weren't nice beings before, they were cruel and capricious forces of nature without anything resembling morality

[limpid badge]

No Cecelyne is still inside

She's just also the bordermarche

Don't Worry About It

[velvet raft]

The draft says she's on the exterior iirc, but it also doesn't matter

Since she's just as stuck

[fierce star]

yeah

[chilly sluice]

the geometry of Malfeas is all kinds of messed up anyway

[velvet raft]

The world they ruled was dangerous in bizarre and unthinkable ways, and humans were not their favorites in it.

[limpid badge]

And, so the Yozi argue, twas as they made it. And the Gods sit on stolen thrones and tell you that a lifetime of suffering pre-planned afore you is better than a wild place where the Makers ruled~!

remember that everyone has an angle, and winners write histories

[velvet raft]

The Dragon Kings were their chosen ones!

[mighty rover]

huh! missed that bit

[velvet raft]

Dinosaur people, yeah

The gods chose humans for being not very important but generally able to think and function.

But the thing is, even allowing that the Exalted had a right to break the chains of slavery on themselves and the gods and humanity (sorta), what was done to the surviving primordials was impossibly cruel

[fierce star]

yeah, dragon kings were able to fend for htemselves adn serve the primordials directly. Mankind was meant to be weak, pitiful, and dependent. Because prayer has power.

Free will to believe and pray to their betters; a body designed to fail and die, a soul designed to be easily recycled for the next generation to live, pray, and die.

[bleak hazel]

I believe the vague implication, at least in previous editions, was that humans existed to be weak and feeble and desperate and a source of great power through prayer for those who could protect them, which would allow the gods to carry on their duties as the true maintainers of the world

[tulip folio]

Malfeas: "It's over solars, I have portrayed myself as the Chad."

[bleak hazel]

which makes it quite funny that Exalts can have Cult ratings

if nothing else, the Scarlet Empress was a passable sysadmin

[limpid badge]

also hey now- Autochthon's favorites were humans

which is part of why the gods picked them

[tulip folio]

Well, until they picked on his other kids, the Jadeborn.

And then he went '...maybe I should go'

[limpid badge]

autochthon was a good dad in that he understood how to balance his children's needs!!!

its the exalted that decided to do Bad Things To Jadeborn

im surprised there's no jadeborn in autochthonia but i feel like thats more bc the writers Forgot about them

[tulip folio]

It would be really interesting to see what the unbroken Jadeborn would have been like. As the modern ones are the shattered slivers of the gems that they once were. All we really know about them is the Twilights were concerned about not being the undisputed masters of craftsmanship with the Jadeborn about.

And...you know...the Children of the King of All Craftsman. I can see how they'd get there.

[tulip folio]

It would be nice to see but yeah, the writers tended to forget they had a Second Elf in Exalted 😛

[limpid badge]

i feel like if anyone is Maintaining The Godhead its not actually the soul-ministers is a bunch of jadeborn keeping the fucking lights on

[velvet raft]

Pay no attention to the jadeborn behind the curtain

[tulip folio]

I'm 90% done with that Enlightened Jadeborn homebrew. I really should finish that off.

[velvet raft]

Okay wait

Infernal who failed at being a demon worshiper

Was in a Yozi cult and ran away from something critical

On the one hand, I can imagine the Ebon Dragon waving his arms and shouting, “that one, that one!” for the irony value

And on the other hand it would be a really good excuse to feel extremely weird about demons

Has met some before

On like, coworker terms

Also, abyssals: I think if one is willing to dual-specialize in brawl and melee, one can do a strength-only chains build

Maybe?

[limpid badge]

that is also very very good im happy with my The Layabout Prince of the Lotus Feasting Hall

[feral cipher]

Hell yeah

I've been having a lot of fun cooking up The Grave Calls For Its Due

catacomb-saint of envy

[nova yew]

The neverborn have it…bad

It’s great

I can’t wait to develop bizarre opinions about metaphysics as an abyssal

[velvet raft]

This is my above Infernal idea

It's just Robin again

[nova yew]

HAHAH

[velvet raft]

"Oh yeah I met some first circles. Me and these two neomah and this blood ape used to get drinks. I think it really pissed the cult leader off."

[prisma sun]

Hmmm

[velvet raft]

Well don't just leave us hanging

[prisma sun]

I am thinking how Apostle-y I would want to make Brazen

I also think instead of making him a blood knight "loves violence" type of person

He is the type of exalt who loves styling on weaker foes but hates anyone that can remotely put up a fight

If he feels threatened or insecure in his position he instantly kills his opponent by all means possible, however if its clear they are weaker and theres no stakes, he will give any handicap possible to make it "fair"

[velvet raft]

I wonder how he feels about Isidoros basically doing that for Infernals like him

[prisma sun]

Absolute hatred from the deepest core of his being

The fact he isnt the supreme creature of all creation is slowly driving him insane

[velvet raft]

It would be very funny if Isidoros liked him for exactly this reason

[prisma sun]

It probably is

And Kimberly probably loves him because he openly talks about how much he wants to devour her to the core of her being

Just a spiteful cunt and the Yozis go "love this guy, lets give him a gun and throw apples at him"

[velvet raft]

lol

[prisma sun]

He is simultaneously lauded and flensed, constantly paraded like a god king only among the greatest displays of the yozis power

Demons throw themselves at his feet and throw themselves at him to die

[velvet raft]

Infernals are basically demon rock stars

[prisma sun]

Yeah

I imagine hes like the post peak decline

Smoking Hell Crack

Busts out hell just to cultivate solars to an acceptable level of power as a mentor before destroying their entire lives

Because he needs to remind himself he is strong but he cant make anyone too strong or else he is at risk of having the illusion shattered

So he gets them just enough that the barest effort is required

Then kills every single person in their life to drag them to him for revenge

Also definitely eats people

Just straight up

[velvet raft]

Alright, you know who definitely likes this guy, simply for planting the seeds of his own demise nonstop?

[prisma sun]

Whossat

[velvet raft]

The Ebon Dragon

[prisma sun]

Probably

[velvet raft]

The Principle of Opposition

The dragon who cannot stop fucking things up for himself

[prisma sun]

Yeah

Funny

Cuz I am gonna base his devil form on Alatreon

https://tenor.com/view/dr-ezekiel-mhw-monster-hunter-world-dr-ezekiel-monster-hunter-world-plague-doctor-monster-hunter-world-gif-17755306

[vale glen]

I've got my devil form set as based on the idea of chrysanthemum flowers, myself. (this is for a guy who faustian bargains you in to games of cursed mancala. In effect, I've made a Yugioh Infernal.)

[prisma sun]

Fuck yeah

[buoyant summit]

I GOT IN THE ABYSSALS GAME LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[vale glen]

YEAAAH NICE

[nova yew]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[vale glen]

Congrats!!

[nova yew]

i managed to doodle my abysssal so thats good timing

[buoyant summit]

https://tenor.com/view/letsgo-gif-973281010881986608

[nova yew]

her knife fingerrrrrs

[nova yew]

this took a solid 20 seconds to load it was so funny

[buoyant summit]

lmao

[nova yew]

it was line by line

scrolling into existence

[buoyant summit]

https://tenor.com/view/tuco-salamanca-raymond-cruz-woohhoo-yes-yey-gif-17026577

How I feel rn

[prisma sun]

I should buy more art

[nova yew]

its just paused on this frame

[vale glen]

HA

The pog....

[buoyant summit]

XDDDDD

And the GM is a Morrowind fan let's fucking go dude

[velvet raft]

Eyyyyy the Fists of Iron equivalent brawl charm isn't a duplicate let's go

Hm okay does the ground count as an obstacle

Because if I knock them up one range band generally they will come down one range band

Oh my god

This implies the answer is yes

Hm, you can get a bite attack that causes infected wounds

The obligatory Brawl-with-Strength charm. I swear to god I was using this name before it was cool

[tulip folio]

It is a fitting name, considering it comes from C.S Lewis

[velvet raft]

I know, I threw it in as an ability name in the heartbreaker I worked on many years before it showed up everywhere >_>

[tulip folio]

Hahahah, fair

(I swear almost nobody knows anything he wrote beyond Narnia XD)

[wise ocean]

His meditations on theology are genuinely quite interesting as well, outside of fiction

[next delta]

I would think generally no or it would have been written differently? Though my brain is weird and is like "but surely the ceiling would count as an obstacle if you get knocked upward"

[velvet raft]

That's definitely one thing they mean

I mean I guess at that point it's basically just a normal fall

[next delta]

Hmm, would they take short-range fall damage twice if knocked up into an obstacle (once for being knocked into it, and once if they fall in the future)?

[buoyant summit]

The Dusk Caste in this game has a manse that's a fucking vineyard xD

[velvet raft]

Seems about right

Wow, Infernals really like ground and pound with brawl

I guess they truly are evil

[prisma sun]

This is how the Yozis treat Brazen

[fierce star]

I'm just imagining like, a combination of kratos and isaac clarke for some reason

[next delta]

Mario is an Infernal:

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-teto-rebecca-cyberpunk-cyberpunk-edgerunners-edgerunners-gif-13935517969141948085

[wise ocean]

And his battle cry was legend: WAHOO

[tulip folio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc-eKsAtO7A

Makes notes about testing this with that update of First Pulse I Did. Fools Laid Low makes this really scary with Introduction To The Stone Prince.

[vale glen]

fuck yeah.

Kiva....

[tulip folio]

Introduction to the Stone Prince
Cost: 4m; Mins: Martial Arts 5, Essence 2
Type: Supplemental
Keywords: Decisive-Only
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: First Pulse Form
Brawlers don’t spar in dojos, and they don’t meet on fields of honor. They track down their enemies in the streets and give them lasting gifts of pain, or they are tracked down themselves. 

This supplements a Decisive Attack, adding (Str/2) to the raw damage. 

If the attack deals 3+ levels of damage, the target is Knocked Prone. If the target is already Prone, the Martial Artist instead brutalizes the target, treating them as having suffered a Crippling Injury for the purpose of Wound Penalties until the end of their next turn.

Mastery: Brutalizing a target lasts until the end of the scene, instead of the end of their next turn.

[velvet raft]

Isaac Clarke does feel like a great reference point for Infernals though

[fierce star]

well, guess it's time tod esign the plasma cutter as an artifact lmao

[velvet raft]

Wait sorry

[prisma sun]

I feel like i gotta rename my guy cuz Del already has an Infernal named Prince

[velvet raft]

I wasn't thinking of the Dead Space Guy

I was thinking of the weird monster guy in the hoodie who has body horror and tentacles and such

Different video game

[tulip folio]

Hey ID. You know what using an industrial tool as a weapon is? An improvised weapon

Waves about my First Pulse rewrite

[next delta]

Ugh, I know what game you are talking about but totally have forgotten the name

[fierce star]

Prototype, Alex Mercer

being fair Dead Space Guy also has some Infernal Energy

[next delta]

Given how he is driven to survive, clearly he is a lunar. In this essay...

oh, lmao. Infernals get a "you can't defeat me, I have the higher ground" power:

[fierce star]

🤔 I could see Lunar Isaac Clarke too tbh

opening of the second game him in a long limit break

[velvet raft]

That guy!

[velvet raft]

Needs a key to let you jump up and then fall on them to be tbh

[next delta]

You could use "Bounding Beast Advance" I guess, but yeah

(I don't really understand the point of that one's key. I think it lets you jump across very long distances?)

[nova yew]

Trying to think of a good title to give my abyssal girl, since she’s got backing 3 and is like, the main necromancer in Thorns.

[prisma sun]

Grief-Stricken She of the Eternal Procession

Grief or She for short

[limpid badge]

Grand Soulbinder of the Necropolitan Seat of Thorns

[nova yew]

Oh that’s fucking perfect

Genuinely might use that

[feral cipher]

Hell yeah

[nova yew]

I’ll use “soulwright” instead but this is perfect

[prisma sun]

I think if I gave Brazen intimacies there would be 5 defining ties of hatred

For things in hell

[nova yew]

HAH

[prisma sun]

Yozis (Burning Hatred)
Infernals (Scorching Contempt)
Solars (Simmering Rage)
Third Circle Demons (Everbright Scorn)
Second Circle Demons (Emberlike Disrespect)

Sidereals (Who?)

[nova yew]

Absolute hater

[prisma sun]

I love this dude already tbh I think my roster was missing just a straight fucking bastard

[nova yew]

Heh

It was very fun writing a bastard for abyssal game

Like

I accidentally just wrote a villain for a story

And am now realizing “wait I play this bitch?”

It’s a good time

Infernals seem like a solid place to put bastards

[feral cipher]

It's great

The funny thing about Exalted is that like
If all your shithead tendencies are in your Intimacies then like...

You can mechanically become a better person

[nova yew]

It’s mechanically really fun to map out all the mental hang ups your pc has and why they are the way they are

[prisma sun]

Even my abyssal isnt a bastard
Like he can be because hes gotta but he would be way happier if he could just build shit and slake his unquenchable autism

Also may rename Brazen Prince just to

Supreme Creature of all Creation

The only guy who is an actual cultivation protagonist

King Hu doesnt give a shit unless the situation demands it
Waking Smith doesnt give a shit
Korit just wants the Realm to stabilize
Drifts would love to live in a world where he doesnt have to care

Creature realizes he is not personally at the top of the ladder and is going to start flinging people off until he is

[nova yew]

YES

[prisma sun]

Also means you can shorten it to Supreme

https://youtu.be/aKhV5WwUWJA?si=eyM3LS2L25m90SJr

[coral wraith]

sometimes thats just how exalted work

[prisma sun]

i may get

art of an exalted boy........

Though I don't know which

[nova yew]

OOOO

[merry arch]

my poor spending habits are calling to me like the fucking green goblin mask. I want art of BeaMu so bad

[wise ocean]

fucking real

[merry arch]

https://tenor.com/view/green-goblin-mask-gif-17747048515581223060

[nova yew]

beamu is so cute

i adore her

singlehandedly makes me want to read wtf is up with alchemicals

[merry arch]

thank u thank u she is dominating my brain atm LMAO

[nova yew]

i imagine she does a lot of things singlehandedly because she seems quite strong

[wise ocean]

i'm lucky so many of my characters either have gift art or iconic faceclaims

could I comm Iosefine art? yes
Is her faceclaim just absolutely perfect? Also yes

[nova yew]

hi yes ive literally only read the abyssals book and some bits and pieces of the core book

my knowledge of the setting is primers and ramblings from people who know more about it than me

i am thriving here

[wise ocean]

I think my big "character who I'd want art of" at the moment is probably Cassian, just because it's very hard to find a good faceclaim for him anyway and he's been an absolute gamer in crushing one-shots even if he isn't in a campaign

I resist my urge to get Penny art by saying her game is over

[merry arch]

the short version of what's up with alchemicals:
one of the siblings of the neverborn when they were alive taught the gods how to make exaltations because they all hated him and the Alchemicals were his example for them to learn from. think megaman robot masters but their instead of Dr. Wiley their inventor is the guy who Made Creation

[nova yew]

right yeah

[merry arch]

yes despite her having 4 arms she does in fact handle things with only one arm/hand because she is Very Strong (6 strength + 3 athletics)

[nova yew]

autochthon yeah?

yeah

[merry arch]

yes indeed

[nova yew]

i vaguely know whats up with that

and that they have their own entire dimension

and also are robots

[merry arch]

yeah pretty much

[nova yew]

and each of the castes is associated with a legendary material

[merry arch]

yep! you got the gist of it

[nova yew]

ye

they seem cool

[nova yew]

very wonderful

oh oh wait did u see my doodles of my abyssal bitch?

[merry arch]

yes I did catch it hehe she seems awful /pos

[nova yew]

shes SO awful

[prisma sun]

The only thing I don't really like about Alchemicals is that it is just like

straight up a seperate game

They really don't have any connection to the rest of Exalted

[merry arch]

yeah they're shoved into their own corner which is very unfortunate because Autochthonia is fucking COOL

[nova yew]

heres a red flag for her character
i started pondering her character voice by looking at a compilation of valentino from hazbin

thats probably the biggest red flag

[nova yew]

it does seem really cool

[prisma sun]

it's a red flag that you watch hazbin yeah

[nova yew]

❤️

thank u bestie

i only bring the worst to the table

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-madi-gif-18138868

the joke was teed

[wise ocean]

I have been forced to begrudgingly admit in the past that Hazbin has one good song

[prisma sun]

I could not not take it

Oh Hazbin has a lot of good songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRWE5KFt_eI

[nova yew]

i like the show a lot

YEAH

her

[prisma sun]

They have like an all-star musical cast

[nova yew]

listen
i am cringe but also i do not fucking care

[nova yew]

i will say though this is like the worst sign possible

[prisma sun]

I also like Gravity

[nova yew]

gravity's so good

[merry arch]

I have my own abyssal who is the black heron's sexiest butch in the underworld. lemme fetch her inspirations

[mighty rover]

follow your bliss jestie

[prisma sun]

Even though it's apparently pointless

Also I hate Adam's Design

[nova yew]

i love my toxic hets

im actually a big adam enjoyer- do not look at the fictional men i enjoy its not great

[prisma sun]

It really bugs me that angels and demons have exactly the same design language

like they're all spindly dudes with sharp teeth and horns

[merry arch]

she if she preens herself for an hour and sits in a chair before talking to someone she's effectively 8 appearance

[nova yew]

the horns is i think mainly an exorcist thing but yeah
vivzie likes spindly fucks with horns and sharp teeth

[prisma sun]

also why is Adam in heaven????

He did the Original Sin

[nova yew]

i assume he used to be chill

[wise ocean]

indeed, this is the song I was referring to

[prisma sun]

He should be in hell

[nova yew]

they appear to be remixing the creation myth a bit

[prisma sun]

oh I know

[nova yew]

so lilith and eve are presumably damned but- okay actually

exalted

back to exalted

[prisma sun]

exalted yeah

[nova yew]

omg

so cute

[buoyant summit]

Where can I find Eclipse charms btw?

[nova yew]

also stealing this

[lament owl]

On Random NPC statblocks

they just arbitrarily appear on Gods and Fey and Ghossts and shit

usually on weird utility powers

[prisma sun]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E6_FjrM9JeQiVtmj2hSqN6JyJpCGbdZLNX12elvdRUk/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[buoyant summit]

Fffffuuuuuck

Oh

Thanks

[lament owl]

I'm terrified as a member of your circle/pos

[nova yew]

good

[merry arch]

she has a sword that the black heron made for her as a "welcome home" gift after she found her way to the quarter magnificent. it's her wife. she summons a coffin from elsewhere that contains the preserved corpse of her wife in life, whose soul has been forged into the soulsteel of her sword, the 'Beloved Maker of Ghosts'

[nova yew]

the

[buoyant summit]

I

[nova yew]

the sword is her wife

okay so im a nobilis player so dating your sword

[buoyant summit]

Don't like that my brain thinks that that's romantic

[nova yew]

isnt that weird

thats normal

however

the soulsteel bit

[buoyant summit]

<XD

[wise ocean]

dating your sword wife is perfectly normal by abyssal standards

[nova yew]

dating your sword is perfectly normal by divine standards tbh thats like
yeah

im more worried that your wife is made of soulsteel

is she doing okay?

the material made from infinite torment- is she okay?

[buoyant summit]

I meeeeeaaaaaaaan

[wise ocean]

my abyssal is a weirdo because he keeps just stealing weapons from people, killing other people with them, and then throwing them away when he gets bored

[buoyant summit]

nonzero she's into that??????

[nova yew]

LISTEN THERE'S KINK AND THEN THERE'S SAFETY

im just SAYING

[fierce star]

your'e exalted, you left 'sane' and 'safe' behind a long time ago

[merry arch]

yes and she lures virgin femmes back to her manse to feed their blood to her wife sword so she can spend one (1) minute with her wife before she's back to business as usual (corpse)

[nova yew]

this is true

[prisma sun]

Fucking your sword is encouraged in the core book

[fierce star]

and depending on the number of social charms maybe 'consensual' too but the red rule does exist so

[nova yew]

the "fucking your sword" bit isnt the part im worried about

[lament owl]

Beloved Adori!!!!

[nova yew]

its just that the sword is made of soulsteel

[prisma sun]

You can get daiklaive that's your wife now

[nova yew]

sword wife is normal

soulsteel wife
im worried

[nova yew]

fascinating

well

makes sense i guess

good for them

[merry arch]

their relationship is fucked it's fine. broken-hearted lord is fine and the black heron loves her

[feral cipher]

is soulsteel actually made from torment or is it just. underworld metal

[nova yew]

it is

[fierce star]

there is ethical soulsteel

... in autochthon

[nova yew]

its what you get when souls are compressed into steel by the underworld

like, souls mixing with the earth of the underworld under high pressure like fucked up soul diamonds

the souls arent necessarily aware

[tulip folio]

I do really wish they didn't play quite so careful with essence value for eclipse charms. Divine Heritage would be so much more tempting if there was more actual eclipse charms with some spice to them at E1.

[nova yew]

but theyre able to experience suffering

[merry arch]

this is not ethical soulsteel though. if this is the only way she gets to keep her wife, then so be it. preferable to someone else getting their hands on her

[feral cipher]

Cool!

[merry arch]

she is a possessive freak because I think it's cute. also feeds her pathos and gratitude to the heron teehee

[feral cipher]

My character is not gonna give a shit, he's got that soulsteel drip

[lament owl]

Five Knight at Fredy

[nova yew]

so sometimes theyre experiencing eternal panic attacks, sometimes theyre being stabbed forever

i think maybe ritual and bloodshed may make them more lucid temporarily but

wow i think being nonlucid is a mercy

[nova yew]

oh boy

[merry arch]

broken-hearted lord voice: ok thats fine. she's mine though. forever. nobody else gets her.

she's not ok👍

[nova yew]

mhm mhm

understandable

could use necromancy to bind her ghost eternally but then she might move on to lethe eventually

so this is a much more longer term solution

[merry arch]

YUP

it also gives me the excuse for this butch to be a fucking vampire and summon a coffin with her wife in it, kiss her corpse, then pull out the sword.

[nova yew]

mhm mhm

[prisma sun]

Average Sidereal about to hit you with that Extreme Range DC 2 Cuckold Gambit

[nova yew]

i see

thank god abyssals are severed from the weave of fate-

[lament owl]

luckily
sidereals aren't real, they made those up

[merry arch]

anyways. BeaMu is taking over my brain again. I think it's very charming that she's spoiled by the state because she's so good at her job and because she's stupid and the best way to get her to comply with something is just. giving her cute gifts

[nova yew]

yeah

i think thats super funny

[merry arch]

give her some candy and she'll just go along with anything

[nova yew]

"how do you get her to comply?"
"Just give her treats"
"...Like, what, like a dog?"
"Yeah basically."

[merry arch]

YEAH HAHAHAHA

[buoyant summit]

It Begins Chat

[nova yew]

YEAHHHH

WOOO

[nova yew]

"When we say 'reeducate her' we must stress we are being literal. She is perfectly compliant with the state she just is super stupid. You literally just have to educate her again"

[merry arch]

ohhhhhhhhh! that! hahaha! yeah i forgot! thank you for reminding me!

[prisma sun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaYrqQfzQH8

[wise ocean]

councillor communion has started going around with a hip case of rock candy next to the hip case of artisan knives of the five magical materials

[merry arch]

HAHAHAHHAA

[nova yew]

HAH

[nova yew]

gdajhfgjhasdf

[next delta]

I was not expecting the cannabalism charm subtree in Awareness

[prisma sun]

FUCK YES

[limpid badge]

this is why her getting autowhammied by Layabout Prince for a dumb ship is peak and rotting my personal skullspace

[tulip folio]

You're saying you didn't see it coming?

[next delta]

No, but I didn't know a lot about previous incarnations of infernals (and I don't think it showed up in Essence?)

[prisma sun]

I am doing this 6 character inspiration thing

And I feel like I am forgetting one big important inspiration

[coral wraith]

do we know what SMAs are being published in Agents of Heaven?

[buoyant summit]

Are Eclipse Charms like

Any good?

[prisma sun]

Some of 'em

A lot of them are cool esoteric flavor that sometimes just Solves A Problem

[merry arch]

it's a mixed bag. most of them are weird

/pos

[prisma sun]

Hrmmmmmmm

[lament owl]

can you take a Eclipse charm with (Splat) Xp

?

[prisma sun]

It's a charm so if you got Divine Heritage, yeah

[tulip folio]

Honestly part of the evalution imo is 'what does it cost you to get access to them'. Some splats can just Pick Up A Charm to learn eclipse charms, like Alchemicals. They're a lot better for alchemicals than most because they A) Don't take a charm slot B) Don't have a high buy in B) Tend to work in areas very different than Alchemicals normally work.

Ironically, I think the worst splats for 'access to eclipse charms' is the Eclipse/Moonshadow etc.

As they treat 'access to Eclipse Charms' as like...a notable thing

[prisma sun]

Fuck am I just gonna put 3 anime antagonists on this inspiration

I think so

[merry arch]

yea why not

cops cant stop u

[tulip folio]

While Lunars and Alchemicals can be very 'Sure, I guess, why not?'

[buoyant summit]

Fair...

[buoyant summit]

I feel like Aura-Reading Technique might be nice on my character tho

[prisma sun]

One of these things is not like the other

[buoyant summit]

Is that fucking Enlil???

[prisma sun]

Gilgamesh

[buoyant summit]

Ahhh

[prisma sun]

@limpid badge @nova yew lookie my evil fucker

[nova yew]

oh my god

this is so terrible i love it

[limpid badge]

perfect creature

[velvet raft]

Communism

[nova yew]

something something talk about an iron curtain amirite

not my best work

[velvet raft]

No they’re reploids :P

[merry arch]

potato potato /j

[velvet raft]

Explode

Mega Man X reploids

That’s what they are

[limpid badge]

I’ve been very much agreeing you are playing a Reploid/Kamen Rider if their incarnated hero soul was a vatgrown Marxist

[velvet raft]

@nova yew the big thing is that Alchemicals are intended specifically as champions of mortals, rather than kings of them, born from their best, and institutionally and socially reliant on mortal society

Autochthonia and the Alchemicals are by no means perfect but they almost kinda work

[merry arch]

yes that's the detail I missed. mortal champion souls get sucked up into the bodies a secretive group of craftsmen create for them to become inspiring champions of the populat (mortals)

[tulip folio]

Alchemicals are very bad at rulership. Like legitimately - They have no charms for Being The Ruler Of Anything.

They are there to help raise mortals up, not rule over them.

[merry arch]

and that's why BeaMu is so fucking stupid

[dense verge]

oh i love that taly hal song

[nova yew]

oh i see

[tulip folio]

Autocthon looked at the first generation of exalts. Those that declared themselves god kings, those that had him shatter his own children upon his anvil or they would genocide those children, those that took the levers the Primordials had used to abuse creation and twisted them for exalted hands.

And he went 'there should be a better way'

[merry arch]

she's just there to be pretty and punch the shit out of bad guys (whoever the estasian government points her at)

and everyone loves her for it

[tulip folio]

Alchemicals serve, they do not rule. They are not the result of a single moment of glory, they are a result of many lifetimes of service and giving for others. They are the bulwark, the advisor and the champion but they are never the ruler.

Lux: "This sign can't stop me because I'm a fascist I can't read."

Okay, they should never be the ruler. Sometimes you get a wanker.

[dense verge]

the alchemicals tried ruling once and it ended terribly

[velvet raft]

Specifically, Autochthonia doesn’t have a normal soul recycling system, so mortals have “soul gems”. A soul gem that has by chance undergone many exceptional lifetimes may be sufficient to animate an alchemical exalted.

[nova yew]

i see

nods nods

[tulip folio]

They also don't have a set cap on how many there are.

[nova yew]

so we should drag those into the underworld-

[tulip folio]

As long as there is enough magical materials and enough souls brave enough to animate them, more alchemicals can always be made.

You do not fuck with Autocthon when it comes to Mass Production 😛

[velvet raft]

So the cool thing is that their dynamic with mortals is very different

They’re closer to being like … superheroes?

[tulip folio]

Their themes are Iteration, Collectiveness, Community, Logic and Empathy.

Notably: Those last two themes conflict with each other a fair bit. By design.

[velvet raft]

Than god-kings

[next delta]

(though it is somewhat implied that this might not be true)

[tulip folio]

Autocthon is a being of relentless, overwhelming logic...who deeply, deeply wants to care for people as one mortal cares for another.

And his champions are both sides of that as well.

[velvet raft]

He’s also a craftsman, whose design is iterative, replicable, and can be improved over time

[next delta]

I think it is something like about as many Alchemicals in Autocthonia as all Celestial exalted in Creation combined?

[tulip folio]

There's about 100 per country, yeah.

So 800ish

[velvet raft]

They are very expensive to produce

And the process is not 100% reliable

If the soul doesn’t take, iirc you’re just kinda SOL

[tulip folio]

Yeah. It's a bit of a risk commissioning a new champion.

[fierce star]

you can recover mos tof hte materials used, but you still ahve to start the creatin process over

[tulip folio]

The game RiRi is for, the protagionists are the result of a city saving up for decades to make a small line of 3-4 champions.

[fierce star]

Six in total. If we don't get six players, well--the others failed to take.

[tulip folio]

Oh a bit thing with Alchs: Their 'limit' equivalent is Clarity. The constant conflict between Cold Logic and Deep Emotion. Unlike most exalts, neither end is bad. An alchemical is not 'worse' for being high clarity or low clarity. Both of them are Entirely To Be As Autocthon.