#Exalted

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nova yew
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Yeah see the thing is that’s really cute to me I love that

velvet raft
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And the yozis invited in people who suck as kin to them

ruby geyser
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any devil-body thing thats referred to as a Torment has to pick how it's applied from a list at the start of the options

bleak escarp
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Although notably they're more the chosen of hell in general than any yozi in particular now, which is a change that I think kinda works out

ruby geyser
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one of them is fully 'anybody within a certain range'

bleak hazel
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ah, nevermind it really is that bad

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ouch

velvet raft
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Anyway in 3e they're just kind of about endless, frequently-misdirected vengeance

bleak hazel
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against most opposition that's Win Target Fight

ruby geyser
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but also you have to roll an (attribute+ability) thing against their resolve or w/e

velvet raft
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The Yozis are mostly just enablers now

nova yew
velvet raft
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But yeah Old Infernals seem like so many kinds of your jam

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Shocked I never noticed it before

nova yew
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Inferbals are

velvet raft
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@tulip folio Okay this is actually encouraging

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ruby geyser
velvet raft
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Okay we are 2-for-2 on caste descriptions making me feel like the vengeance theming in Chapter 1 may have been a Chapter 1 thing

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buoyant summit
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Making a Changing Moon who is still a Martial Arts Freak

velvet raft
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It would be very funny if they put out another infernals book where people said, "but skip this chapter"

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omg they're three-for-three I think this chapter has the sauce, chat

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I'm not posting the whole things but I have not seen more than one mention of revenge so far

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This is great

buoyant summit
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I'm glad the book sounds better the more you read it xD

velvet raft
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Okay, see, the vibe I'm sort of getting is that given there's no reclamation, the Infernals are sort of ... about giving the Yozis someone to vicariously live through?

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And that fits!

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That works!

ruby geyser
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yeah that was the vibe i got from chapter 1

velvet raft
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First chapter was very unclear about what even was the point of the Infernals but like

ruby geyser
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Reclamation is fully out, its now basically just 'go out there and fuck shit up'

velvet raft
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Well, but this points to it not just being about going to fuck shit up

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Which is important to me 😭

ruby geyser
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like there's a bit in the chapter 1 manuscript about the yozis response to a new infernal exalting being like 'oh boy time for a new season of our favorite comedy show'

velvet raft
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Wait am I talking about the prologue?

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Chapter 1 is the Malfeas chapter

ruby geyser
velvet raft
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I think I'm talking about the prologue

ruby geyser
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i might be misremembering when it showed up but thats the text in question

velvet raft
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Yeah, I think that's prologue

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See, to me, especially in the context of the text around it, that struck me as much too focused on aimless vengeance

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But like

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Holy shit Yozis-as-constellations-from-a-webtoon-about-streaming-for-the-gods

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Would be rad

ruby geyser
velvet raft
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Okay

ruby geyser
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but yeah the ex3 take on infernals is a lot more fun and whacky

velvet raft
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But like, characterizing them as fundamentally bored and lonely? That fucks. I hope I see more of that.

bleak escarp
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Rather, they are the Exalted of Hell, the whole shebang in aggregate.

velvet raft
ruby geyser
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also im a tad disappointed there's no mention of the yozis having tried to do black market exigents

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cause i remember that being a thing the devs mentioned like, years ago

bleak escarp
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And the Yozis are eternally, rigidly themselves, but Hell is eternally, violently changing and overthrowing itself.

ruby geyser
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dont think they ever gave more detail than 'they tried it' but the implication was 'it went horribly wrong'

bleak escarp
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There's a timeline in the book where you get multiple attempts at larger organisation, and every time it's like, "fell apart due to infighting before goals could be achieved", "achieved goals, killed by unquestionable", "achieved goals, killed by yozi"

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interspersed with 'that time the ebon dragon ate the sun for half a year'

velvet raft
# bleak escarp It's important to understand that one of the big changes, I think, is that the I...

Cards on the table here: I've talked at great length prior about how much I liked how 2e Infernals brought the Yozis genuine pathos and made them seem deeply pathetic in addition to be terrifying forces of natural law, and made the Infernals intimately connected to that collective narrative. I'd rather not babble about it forever again, but that's where I'm coming from re: what I want Infernals to be.

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The focus on revenge in particular in the first chapter was not encouraging to me.

bleak escarp
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I think it works, it's pretty much just

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They're still chosen from those who failed, broadly, and the sales pitch is very, 'wouldn't you like to get even?'

velvet raft
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But what I'm seeing here in the caste writeups? This, I like a lot.

ruby geyser
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Infernals: come for the revenge, stay for the power to do whatever the hell you want

buoyant summit
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Does this look good for a Changing Moon or am I going to hate it?

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dense verge
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i dont have my hands on the maniscript but it aligns with my understanding of what all the goings on are

velvet raft
bleak escarp
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Part of that sense of being the Chosen of Hell is the angle that a lot of Infernals have died already, the churn and turnover is rapid because they have all have their Id constantly screaming in their ear as they sizzle with mutative power.

dense verge
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infernals as proxy for the yozi to spite creation

buoyant summit
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Martial Artist Cad Fuck

velvet raft
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That the demons don't even really distinguish between incarnations of an Exaltation

bleak hazel
velvet raft
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Because they really struggle to understand death and individual identity

bleak escarp
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So there's an interesting contrast to be made with Abyssals where like, as a Deathknight you have A Boss. They're your deathly liege, your looming overlord, they have plans running for centuries and you have a place in them - an important place, but one that's accounted for and already set. You have backing, but you're also accountable - the Deathlords are consistently organised, established powers that can exercise authority over you. It's a big part of the appeal; a lot of the Abyssal experience is wrapped up in telling stories about how you relate to these great looming macabre figures.

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Meanwhile Infernals like...

bleak hazel
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otherwise I don't see anything too egregious, besides Legendary Size being as overtuned for player use as it is everywhere else, and like Grappling and Ambush that's really a Legendary Size problem

bleak escarp
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The closest thing Infernals have to any structured organisation is the Althing Infernal, which was started by Infernals as a court to try and mediate conflicts, and it's something not every Infernal is even on board with.

velvet raft
bleak escarp
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Much more of a client/contractor relationship, where they're constantly plied with gifts and ostentatious displays of largesse to try and court their- not allegiance, that's not on the market, but their help. But it's also an extremely easy-come-easy-go setup, because ultimately the Yozis don't care. It's fun watching an Exalt wreak havoc in their name! It's fun watching an Exalt bite the dust! They're winning either way!

ruby geyser
velvet raft
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And besides, Exalts don't really die, so it's no big deal! (Editor: Exalts do, in fact, really die.)

bleak escarp
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Like

bleak hazel
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-3 to all pools is what I'm talking about as "win target fight"

bleak escarp
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Back in 2e, the path to becoming kin to the Yozis was the potential for Devil-Tigerdom, and that was something the Yozis tried to keep under lock and key because insofar as they were aware of the possibility (not very), it spooked them.

bleak hazel
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that's usually game, since it means you can just slap every decisive aside with relatively little effort

velvet raft
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It may overstate the point to use the word kin, but what I'm gesturing at is the notion that they chose people who they felt were similar to them

bleak hazel
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it's OK at higher essence, but stacking a ton of hit penalties on your enemies is very strong in this game because they're not capped and there are few attack penalty reducers

velvet raft
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Probably would be better to say "akin to them"

bleak escarp
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Ah, gotcha

bleak hazel
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accuracy and defence in Exalted are mostly bounded, since each exalt only has so many dice tricks/non-charm def sources to boost them past excellency limits, whereas soak and hit penalties aren't bounded at all because you can keep stacking them, so they're obvious sources of Nonsense

velvet raft
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And of course because demons are weird about the autonomy of their component parts that got very, very strange

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Malfeas was welcoming you into the I Am Malfeas club, such as it were

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It's a big club! A lot of people are Malfeas!

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But like, this, this is good

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Oh that's cute, their 1-mote powers include finding paths to hell and determining the number of days until Calibration

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That's really fun

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ruby geyser
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right, but to inflict the penalty in question, the target has to be within short range(assuming devil aura), and you have to succeed at a roll against their resolve VVSipp and it also sounds like devil aura probably needs to say 'you need to establish a limitation' rather than 'if they establish a limitation'

bleak hazel
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is Devil-Body basically taking up the anima power slot or do they also have Dawn reset/eclipse oath?

velvet raft
ruby geyser
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they have other anima powers depending on caste yes

bleak hazel
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it might not be too much but I very much have my eye on it because it's E1 tech on a Solaroid exalt with Solar combat charms + full anima powers + supernal

velvet raft
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Ooh, I like that. This is the second anima power for Azimuth.

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ruby geyser
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and its also worth noting, devil-body is a once-per-story, one-scene long thing, that requirs you to either be taken down to -4 health levels, or meet another requirement based on caste

bleak hazel
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Lunars have none of that other stuff and they can already be cheesy as fuck if they want to

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ruby geyser
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its not a repeatable 'i win every fight' thing

bleak hazel
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I mostly just don't want Devil-Body to be like Lancer core powers, where everyone pops all of them at once and either you balanced the boss for them and they're screwed if they already used it/they can't finagle the conditions or the boss melts instantly when they go big

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Exalted is a hard fucking game to GM, I don't want it to be any worse

velvet raft
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The big thing is that the conditions for doing Devil Body are pretty specific for most castes

ruby geyser
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...right, and again, there are specific conditions that need to be met for them to be used in the first place

velvet raft
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To some degree you as the GM are in control of that

ruby geyser
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so nobody gets to say 'i use my devil-body' at will

velvet raft
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For instance

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bleak hazel
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yeah, which makes it worse in one very important way because you can't even just assume everyone has core ready when the ultra shows up

ruby geyser
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(assuming there aren't any charms that say otherwise, we dont know yet)

bleak hazel
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the Dawnlike has his ready because that procs when you beat him up, but the others you need to plan around carefully

ruby geyser
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not really

bleak hazel
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which is more time in prep

ruby geyser
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they're all based around major/defining intimacies

velvet raft
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On the other hand, you as the GM are the one who basically arranges the circumstances for them to trigger

ruby geyser
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its very easy to look at intimacies and say 'okay, this fight doesnt specifically target anything major/defining for 4/5 of the circle, so i only have to worry about #5 triggering it outside of the -4 HL condition'

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or 'oh this can hit intimacies for everyone, its a full-on boss fight'

bleak hazel
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on the devil-body mutated third hand, I now need to be thinking about how and when to arrange those circumstances so they don't fire when they shouldn't or fail to fire when they should and make a scene incredibly unsatisfying

velvet raft
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AFAICT it is also possible to bust straight past Towering Demon Emperor with a sufficiently big hit

bleak hazel
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and as someone who already has a lot to think about when composing Exalted fights for Celestials, this is not something I favour

next delta
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Are devil-bodies purely for fighting? Or do they also have some social/noncombat utility like they did a bit in Essence?

bleak hazel
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this game already runs on the GM's ability to manage their own mental banlist and the actual banlist for the table

velvet raft
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So Azimuths aiming for it is going to be dangerous

ruby geyser
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they have non-combat uses

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some of the powers include increased resolve/guile, being extra stealthy, etc

bleak hazel
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luckily they have clarified "infinite guile" such that it doesn't make you immortal if you have Black Claw

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which the really old preview version did

velvet raft
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I guess my point is just that they're character beats things by default, not super modes to pull out on the story boss

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Except for Azimuth

bleak hazel
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people will use them as super modes to pull out on the story boss, this is a TTRPG

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even if you "shouldn't" plan around them, I still have to plan around them, because that's how the game works

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Exalted is so prone to "oh that was really trivial and a bit boring" and to a lesser extent "damn that was bullshit" after major fights

velvet raft
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Here's another one

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For Nadirs

ruby geyser
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as with all things exalted, if your players build around big combat potential, give them things that cant be solved purely with combat

bleak hazel
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if my players build around big combat potential, as a GM I should be given tools to come up with interesting fights, because clearly they want to fight stuff and have it feel cool

dense verge
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i do wonder how you approach uneven pairings in fights, as the system really really wants to be 1v1 duelling all the time for things to go smoothly

velvet raft
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Oh damn

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bleak hazel
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that one I like

ruby geyser
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im not saying 'dont give them combat', im saying 'give them things other than combat to also deal with'

velvet raft
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Honestly the anima powers look pretty rad

bleak hazel
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it's basically Lesser Sign of Mars but only for dodging with extra grapplan defence

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and grapple can get fucked

bleak hazel
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my complaint is that I now need to carefully cross-reference the devil trigger modes, structure and intimacy sheets of my probably-3 to 4 infernals when designing important scenes and that's going to be a lot of work because they're such big swings

velvet raft
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Okay now this one, I think Misc's point applies to quite strongly

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That is way too generic

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"Someone disagrees with you" jfc

ruby geyser
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NOPERS it's about hypocrisy, not just disagreeing with you

velvet raft
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(This is for Penumbra, the Eclipse version)

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Oh, I misread it

ruby geyser
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the infernal is 'she', the other character in question is 'he'

bleak hazel
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yeah, I now need to make sure I have checked that my villains are or are not being hypocrites, cross-referenced against what intimacies of theirs the PCs know

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which is just a fuckton

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like, I am willing to do this occasionally, but it's a workout and will need a new tab on my big spreadsheet o' continuous notes

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as an ST I am glaring at this in an annoyed fashion

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as a player, cool, I want to devil trigger on stuff

velvet raft
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I'm tempted to say that for everyone but Azimuths, Devil-Body Apotheosis is the semi-devil equivalent of doing a callout post

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Oh nooooo

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I spoke too soon

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glurg

bleak hazel
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I'm still not sure if that overrides getting incapped in one

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I would assume yes because it would be lame otherwise

velvet raft
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Still, I'm not fond of it being triggerable just because you're getting beaten up, for Azimuths or anyone else

bleak hazel
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works for azimuths I think, it's Phase 2

velvet raft
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The Devil Body is also damn strong

buoyant summit
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So what does short daiklaves coming in pairs really do?

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Is dual wielding good?

bleak hazel
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two swords +2 bonus on clash attacks

buoyant summit
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Ohhhh

bleak hazel
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otherwise doesn't do much

velvet raft
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You get a +2 clash bonus for paired weapons, and a +2 clash bonus for a two-handed weapon

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But the paired weapons are likely light and have high accuracy

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So they're very good at clashing

bleak hazel
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they also have Supernal, and fuck Supernal, but that's Solaroid-standard and nobody can agree on what to do to that anyway

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so that's no surprise

buoyant summit
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Hm

velvet raft
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Yeah at this point I just think of it as Essence+1

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It's the simplest solution

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Okay, these powers are crazy strong

chilly sluice
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quick question semi related to that, because I'm pondering things
I assume MA Supernal is just not really worth it usually?
since most MA cap out at Essence 3 anyway

velvet raft
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There are some neat tricks to do with martial arts but

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It depends

bleak hazel
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it's the best way to make a Solaroid combat supernal who isn't busted so I am fond of it

velvet raft
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XD

bleak hazel
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E3 is the furthest most sensible builds go with Supernal anyway, pick what's fun

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or choose an art like Crane that goes to 4

chilly sluice
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it's mostly because I was looking at Single Point 😛

velvet raft
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This is a one-dot power

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chilly sluice
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and I can't do the funny part until E2

bleak hazel
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oh look, WSAV

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except frontloaded

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the true useless supernal is War, because a War Solar can become literally undefeatable using only E2 charms, then permanently lock every enemy into eternal ambush hell

velvet raft
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Sick bones etc

bleak hazel
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if a Lunar and a Sidereal team up and use every tool at their disposal at E4, they can kinda sorta contest the solar/abyssal unless the Solar decides to buy some E3 charms

velvet raft
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Alright, that chapter hit positively, and felt much more in tune with what I'm hopping Infernals will be

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The devil body apotheosis stuff is insanely cool and also insanely busted

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I need to go back and finish reading Chapter 2

bleak hazel
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I believe this is going in the "PCs get to be busted" school of design, which I disagree with heavily for Exalted in particular but can tolerate for the super mode

velvet raft
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But I liked Chapter 3 and liked things in what I did read of Chapter 2

chilly sluice
bleak hazel
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ridiculously so considering Single Point Solar is already instant death to 90% of opponents

buoyant summit
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What's a Jade Alch do btw?

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The party of the game I'm in is a Changing Moon Lunar (me) a Dawn Caste (yes, I know), and a Jade Alch

fierce star
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jade caste alchemicals ,they're the chosen of autochthon, the great maker

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magic robots powered by heroic souls

buoyant summit
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No I

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I know what Alchs are

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What do Jade Castes do specifically

fierce star
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they're the Heroes of hte People (TM) even moreso than other alchs, gathering up people to help them work together for the greater good, making the whole better than the sum of its parts

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mechanically they're wits, stamina and charisma caste

buoyant summit
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Ahhhh

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That makes sense why they're picking that

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The game is set in a city/large town that's enslaved to do mining by a local Deeb

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Hence why I'm a Changing Moon; I was from there and ran away on a moonlit night, and have come back to be Martial Arts Cassian Andor

knotty islandBOT
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Do Lunars get Caste or Favoured attributes? I'm not sure they do.

fierce star
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They have both

buoyant summit
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We do

fierce star
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unless casteles, then just favored

knotty islandBOT
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Something to go back on then, because I could not find them originally.

buoyant summit
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one of each must be in our primary or secondary respectively

knotty islandBOT
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Sorry, skills, not attributes. They are both labelled as attributes on the sheet. ><

bleak escarp
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Relatively more than Solars, even.

fierce star
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oh, abilities? no

bleak escarp
fierce star
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they're abilities, not attributes. Or at least they should be labelled abilities.

buoyant summit
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Oh yeah no we get no favored abilities

knotty islandBOT
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Thank you. So, no favoured abilities, got it. Is that a Solars thing?

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Also I need to figure out what my armour is and does, which is.. Harder. Since, I definitely need the increased statistics. Hehe

chilly sluice
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Solars are Ability based, Lunars are attribute based

knotty islandBOT
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Here is the sketch idea I had for Illuminates All Under Heaven.

Basically, it allows you to grab and trip and toss people like toys, as well as making an incredible pole vault tool, allowing its user to Rush or Disengage better, as well as helping Gambits and even allowing Grapples using Melee.

buoyant summit
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So sounds like a stat bonus to feats of strength

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a rush augment

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a grapple augment

knotty islandBOT
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This is all inspired by the Staff Acrobat dedication from Pathfinder. fomx

bleak hazel
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Exalts are either attribute or ability-based, which determines both what kind of trees they have (Strength, Int, Dex vs 1 for each of the 25 abilities) and whether they get Favoured Attributes or Favoured Abilities, since it wouldn't make sense to have a discount on Dex charms when you don't have Dex charms and learn from a Melee tree instead

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Attribute Exalts are slightly more flexible by nature, because an Attribute excellency works on any [Att] roll and as there's exactly 9 of them it covers a wider spread of things than an excellency in one of the 25 abilities

bleak escarp
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Also 4/9 caste/favoured attributes is a slightly larger percentage of the total possible spread than 10/25 abilities.

tulip folio
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I'm a bit sad that the Azimuth List is just 'Yep, that's a Fucking Dawn'. As the Dawn Ability LIst has always been the most 'Man, I am overstacked and kinda redundant'

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Do It. 😛

fierce star
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lol

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aye aye

tulip folio
nova yew
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Oh she’s so fuckin cute

fierce star
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Ecstatic Iatrochemical Responder is here to save lives and be smug, and she's all out of smug

tulip folio
fierce star
tulip folio
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The funny thing: The 150cm RiRi? Is an absolute terror in mass combat. She's not personally much of a beatstick but she's an Intelligence 6/Charisma 6 War Specialist with Raise the Skeletal Horde as her Control Spell so she can just Ray Harryhausen a large squad of skeletons into combat whenever she wants.

nova yew
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As group necromancer im currently scheming out to somehow do propaganda using all the local dead people caused by our invasion of Thorns

nova yew
bleak hazel
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I shuffled it off my detective sid because it wasn't being very helpful, but it's a fun one

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now he just has a summoned ghost who can possess a spare suit of armour to Defend Other him where necessary

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said ghost is a chump and is a bit of an init farm for bad guys but he can be handy

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especially since Sid Melee includes stuff for clashing/counterattacking attacks against your friends

tulip folio
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...does anything stop you using Defend Other on a Battlegroup?

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Mostly pondering because RiRi's Parry is really good and Alchs have 'Reflexive Defend Other'

nova yew
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I’m considering taking the spell if only because it seems useful to have as a necromancer helping manage a city state

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Like, y’know
Disposable shock troops, laborers, and just general manpower is nice to have

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The people love my skeleton guards

tulip folio
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It's a great control if you're worried about not having the infastructure to just Give You Loads of Corpses.

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And even if you do, going up to Average Drill instead of Poor Drill is a nice bonus.

nova yew
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Yeah

tulip folio
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Also just on a fluff side, I think most GMs will let you give more complex orders to guys with Average Drill instead of Poor Drill

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As it's assumed they're better capable of coordination and precision.

nova yew
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They’ll make for great troops to keep the peace!

tulip folio
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RIRi has an upgrade to it from her artifact.

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Ghost-Lit Duty
Cost: —; Mins: Essence 1
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisites: Raise the Skeletal Horde
Under the ghostflame light of Innocent Oblivion, the souls of the righteous dead rise again to defend the same ideals they did in life.

When you Raise the Skeletal Horde, instead of Zombies, you can instead raise Ghouls. Ghouls are treated as Militia, except they are Mindless and Undead. When you raise multiple Size worth of zombies, you can divide the raised undead among any type of undead you can create.
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They're still not really good combatants.

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But 8 dice bows certainly outdo 5 dice bites.

bleak hazel
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Crimson Rain Augurs Fell Tidings was a terrible warlord and although his game didn't go long, my mental image for the way his shadowland city-state army worked was "the troops are normal, the terribly-statted zombie horde is just used to haul baggage so the troops march super-light and can be very heavily equipped"

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just a bunch of embalmed zombies with big backpacks and panniers

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and a few giant golems made of hundreds of zombies with a clay-statue facing on the outside, as linebreakers

tulip folio
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Makes sense.

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Ghost-Lit Heroism
Cost: —; Mins: Essence 2
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisites: Ghost-Lit Duty
Moving in skilled formation, great champions of the dead rise, each the match of a skilled veteran.

You can also raise Revenants with Raise the Skeletal Horde. Revenants are treated as Grizzled Mercenaries, except they are Mindless and Undead.

RiRi is more directly about using the Skeletons As Troops.

bleak hazel
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I also just liked the idea of an annoyed military mechanic splinting a zombie's leg instead of changing a tyre on the truck

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using Crimson's Bureaucracy + Craft pools to set up a stable military seamstress training program has been important to keep the zombies repaired and maintained

tulip folio
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Very fun

buoyant summit
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Huh

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extremely random

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But I just realized Arya Stark makes great Lunar fodder

merry arch
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making an alchemical for funsies and i landed on giant bimbo Estasian Adamant propaganda idol, gladiatrix, and revolutionary mulcher. everyone loves Beatific Colossus of Martial Unity

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she's illiterate and has a populat that follows her around to read things for her

tulip folio
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RiRi: "Sounds about the right level of smart for an Estasian." (RiRi is never going to admit one of her previous lives was Estasian)

fierce star
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we've always been at war with estasia.

bleak hazel
nova yew
merry arch
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she's just Really Big, she'll be a colossus in checks notes about a century

nova yew
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I love her

merry arch
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everyone loves BeaMu!

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(this is her nickname from the populats)

tulip folio
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Part of the fun of making Alchemicals and Abyssals is working out how you can turn their full title into a nickname.

nova yew
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Yeah

merry arch
nova yew
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I’ve got “iron chains break minds”

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But her names just iron chains

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Or chains

tulip folio
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'Blighted Ivory and Orichalcum Mask.' -> "Ivory" (Neverborn grumbling that it's a normal-ass name)
'Righteous Restoration of Industry' -> "RiRi" etc

nova yew
nova yew
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Because they died due to all their bones breaking

tulip folio
merry arch
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she's very convincing and inspiring but she can be manipulated to do anything with even a little bit of effort (2 guile 2 resolve 😭 )

nova yew
nova yew
merry arch
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don't leave beamu alone she'll do stupid shit

tulip folio
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Ivory was in-universe a metagaming asshole.

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She knew all the rules of Death's Chivalry and was an expert on following them...to the letter...less so the spirit.

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'Why are you not dressing deathly?'
'Of course I'm dressing deathly. White is a traditional mourning colour in many cultures'

nova yew
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Smh not following the spirit of the chivalry?

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What are you, not planning on destroying all creation?

tulip folio
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Her plan is 'Whatever Princess Magnificent Wants'. She was profoundly obsessed with her deathlord.

She both A) Wasn't much of a fan of pointless murder B) Didn't consider 'keeping Princess Magnificent Entertained' to be pointless.

nova yew
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Oh

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Well then

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That’s actually valid nvm

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Perfect abyssal I’m so sorry for assuming

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That’s peak abyssal behavior

tulip folio
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Circle: "Your deathlord just randomly hunts people for sport."
Ivory: "God forbid women have hobbies!"

buoyant summit
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The fuck????

merry arch
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she's a clueless propaganda idol

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she's totally bought in

nova yew
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❤️

merry arch
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she doesn't know she's being used for bad

nova yew
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Cuuute

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I think she should be given cake and treats

merry arch
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beamu is known to like sweets it's true!

tulip folio
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RiRi's instead strength 1, dex 1 (Stamina 6).

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The girl maybe has too much magical material in her construction

wise ocean
merry arch
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LMFAO

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of note: BeaMu has 4 arms and is like 13ft tall

wise ocean
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my alchemical is very lazy, it's just Anacharis Scoria

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self-styled scholar-king, mechano-necromancer, bearer of a great relic maul scepter

merry arch
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hell yes

fierce star
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Ecstatic Iatrochemical Responder's a doctor, craftswoman, martial artist and spiritual guide. She also enjoys propaganda, long walks on the beach, and her metal-aspect dragonblooded boyfriend who was also the boyfriend of her last mortal life before that one got martyred. This has caused some issues.

merry arch
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i have this image of beamu's handlers in the estasian government giving her written orders, then she kneels down to her completely mundane mortal ally and points to the words on the page to say "Hey!!! What's that say!!!"

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you can count how many braincells she has on one hand

buoyant summit
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I got kicked from the Exalted group I literally just joined for reasons I have outlined in a more appropriate chat than here to vent

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And I'm sad cuz I liked the character I made

merry arch
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there'll be more games. it sucks in the short term but ultimately it's best to have the bandage ripped off early instead of learning down the line that there were glaring but unspoken social incompatibility issues

buoyant summit
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tru

nova yew
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🫂

buoyant summit
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thanks

merry arch
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anyways yap about the new lunar so the concept doesn't just hit the floor

buoyant summit
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lol

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Changing Moon spy & duelist type, main inspos being Cassian Andor and Arya Stark

tulip folio
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Ponders an infernal based on a Futakuchi-onna, then realizes that people will just think it's a Mawile anthropomorphism

buoyant summit
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lmao

merry arch
buoyant summit
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Something of a little shit

merry arch
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i've been toying around with beamu's emotional range and i think that she's too much of a golden retriever to do anything but smile even when shes turning "bad guys" (read: justified revolutionaries) into red smears

buoyant summit
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lol

merry arch
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what martial art did u end up going with for da lunar. i was thinking about beamu doing MAs but it kind of interferes with "larger than life adamant statue crushing you with her fists"

buoyant summit
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Violet Bier

merry arch
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word

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vbos is very fun

buoyant summit
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So they've kind of got the attitude towards death Arya has, somewhat

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I know this is a Kratos line, but 'Death can have me when it earns me.' more than 'Not today.' but yeah

merry arch
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bars

buoyant summit
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They don't want to die, but if dying secures an important objective of theirs?

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So be it

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The End is the Revolution

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Initially of the city they're from (though now that has to change cuz, you know)

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And then of the Realm

velvet raft
merry arch
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hell yes. my lunar is part of the pact but she's kind of selfish (read: depressed as fuck and has past-life memories bleeding that make her mourn her fallen solar mate)

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she's a yearner arsene lupin

buoyant summit
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Oh my lunar is nominally part of the pact, though I guess they're selfish?

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idk if I would call it that tho

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They didn't ask for anything they said 'thanks for the tats, but I gotta go free my town now byeeeeee'

merry arch
velvet raft
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I'm weirdly attached to this stupid technically-first age solar I came up with yesterday

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Unfortunately art of a horse archer riding a unicorn seems to be in short supply

buoyant summit
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Insert Name would have not kind things to say about that

merry arch
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ultimately she does like it when she gets asked for help on jobs from the pact, but she's kind of an ice queen

fierce star
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I feel like searching for unicorn horse archer will get you a lot of L5R art, yeah

buoyant summit
merry arch
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she's spending most of her days fruitlessly scrying in a pool to try and find her long lost mate

buoyant summit
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Man they would not get along

nova yew
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….cute

buoyant summit
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True, yes, very cute and gay and demure

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However

nova yew
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Many things are cute to me

buoyant summit
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'WE HAVE DEEBS TO KILL'

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xD

nova yew
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I forget that’s what this community calls dragon blooded

buoyant summit
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lmao

nova yew
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Hi yes I’m only getting into exalted now

tulip folio
nova yew
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“Ten billion dead deebs” what are you SAYING-

buoyant summit
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||Karen would you like in my game????||

nova yew
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Hdjshdjsg

fierce star
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oh eyah, I'd steal tosn of L5R art for any Lookshyan character

bleak hazel
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I believe it's standing Silver Pact advice not to kill DBs because they will be pissed and also will wyld hunt you

nova yew
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I don’t know if I’ll have space

bleak hazel
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in practice the Exalted playerbase has rarely honoured this one

nova yew
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Since my ass is getting dragged into the abyssal zone

buoyant summit
nova yew
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I’m making the worst woman ever

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She is so fucking mentally ill

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YAY

nova yew
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“Y’know I think the neverborn are right tbh” girl-

buoyant summit
nova yew
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Lmao

buoyant summit
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Door stuck!

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xD

nova yew
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You are going into the labyrinth

bleak hazel
buoyant summit
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l m a o

nova yew
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PLEASE-

buoyant summit
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I BEG YOU

nova yew
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I BEG YOU

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That’s what you hear when you have Whispers

buoyant summit
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GOD

nova yew
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“DOOR STUCK, DOOR STUCK”

buoyant summit
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WHISPERS BUT IT'S JUST OLD MEMES

nova yew
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“YOURE A GENUINE COCK SUCKER” just echoing in the back of your mind in the underworld

merry arch
# nova yew ….*cute*

she also makes an annual trip to an unmarked tomb in thorns where she's stored a relic that her long-dead solar mate wielded in his life. every year it's a little routine of anticipation and hope as she comes to see if the weapon is there or not. and it's still there. so she cleans and prepares the tomb for the next year's visit and then goes home to mourn

buoyant summit
bleak hazel
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does she... realise that Solars don't get Relicovision?

knotty islandBOT
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To confirm, does artefact armour also have weird fun abilities like artefact weapons?

bleak hazel
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if it's just in some random unmarked box

merry arch
bleak hazel
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that nobody has past life memories of

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carefully label tomb

merry arch
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coincidences line up in solar's moment of exaltation

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because i am a hack

buoyant summit
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My Changing Moon Lunar

nova yew
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It’s gonna be very funny if I meet my lunar mate as an abyssal

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Given

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Well

buoyant summit
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Deflecting being a bullshit artist

nova yew
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Myself

bleak hazel
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also yes, all artifacts >2 dot can develop evocations, at least in theory

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apart from the random belt in the core book because the core writers were hacks

knotty islandBOT
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I see. So I need to think of the armour's evocations as well, because armour has to be 3-dot at least, I believe.

bleak hazel
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same principle of "attunement bonus if you like, otherwise skip" applies as a rule

buoyant summit
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Armor artifacts have to be, yes

bleak hazel
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few Exalts can dump a ton of XP into their weapon, their armour and their core charms at once anyway

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evos are all 10xp, they're not cheap

dense verge
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the lunar i got lying around is a silver-tongued liar trying to collapse the guild via financial fraud. most of their shapes are people, except for the obligatory bobcat. on the side they may have a solar bonded thats an abyssal now. they're working on creating a Moonsilver Writ of Divorce for that

merry arch
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most divorced they ever

buoyant summit
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My lunar might have a solar mate

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They don't give a shit

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Their reaction would be "Are you the Revolution?"

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"No?"

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"Then I'm not gonna fuck you."

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Yes this is just as unhealthy as the opposite

nova yew
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Imagine if they aren’t a Solar though :3

buoyant summit
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My other Lunar, SQ, has and is currently married to her Solar mate

buoyant summit
knotty islandBOT
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The problem I have is, it's armour. I don't really know what special stuff armour can even do.

bleak hazel
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you can have a glance at the ones in Arms of the Chosen and/or just skip doing evos for the armour and concentrate on the weapon

knotty islandBOT
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Definitely. I think an attunement thing I will still do, but focus on the evocations for Illuminates All Under Heaven, which is this.

Guān Bǎihé | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161699000836165714 message) Here is the sketch idea I had for Illuminates All Under Heaven.

Basically, it allows you to grab a…

fierce star
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even the three/four/five dot ones

bleak hazel
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yeah, core has none on those at all, but the belt is notable because you'd really think it'd be in the "armour" slot

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given how most games treat magic belts

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later books have some noncombat artifacts that do get skill trees

wise ocean
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I have a Guy for everyone except Lunars for some reason

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Lunars never quite clicked

velvet raft
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Like, with the horn.

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:P

buoyant summit
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I think all of my Exalts except precisely one Deeb I made are gonna turn out to be Martial Artists

prisma sun
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Only in this game because lunars clicked

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Solars dont click though

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Which is weird cuz im the shonen protagonist guy

buoyant summit
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Solars do it in the most boring way tho tbh

velvet raft
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Solars are very murderhobo flavored

chilly sluice
lament owl
dense verge
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solars i only really have A Guy for in the sense that he is the counterpart to an infernal i have lying around

buoyant summit
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I guess I have A Guy in Solar in that my Lunar's mate is an Eclipse I intend to make an npc but

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I wouldn't like

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play her

buoyant summit
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btw on non attribute-based exalts can you combine melee and MA charms?

bleak hazel
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not by default, no

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Sidereals can, their combat abilities have a selection of charms tagged "versatile" which means they're MA-OK

chilly sluice
bleak hazel
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and they can go straight from a combat ability into an SMA, making the SMA compatible with all Melee/Brawl/Archery/Thrown charms in the process depending on which one

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so you can do kung fu with a crossbow

chilly sluice
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can't use a Melee charm to enhance a MA attack, or vice versa

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Sids get to cheat because they are the MA fiends

prisma sun
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This is how a Sid hits with a kick from a football field away that also sends you 3 miles upwards

chilly sluice
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side note on that
I really want more ranged weapon MA

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and/or just let Wood Dragon work with bows entirely

knotty islandBOT
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Unfortunately, I.. Don't know how to stat this, this is.. Our first Exalted game.

Guān Bǎihé | System at 63 ↩️

[Reply to:](#1161699000836165714 message) Definitely. I think an attunement thing I will still do, but focus on the evocations for Illuminates… 📎

buoyant summit
chilly sluice
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look through artifacts that exist, steal liberally

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or look at similar charms and copy those

bleak hazel
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The core stats for artifacts are predetermined, for evocations either steal and reskin or list the intended themes and ask someone to suggest stuff (not me right now, I'm going to bed)

knotty islandBOT
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nodnod. Several replies deep we have the themes, but you should go sleep first.

chilly sluice
bleak hazel
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My Sidereal's swords have exactly one evo right now and it's a thinly veiled copy of one form the moonsilver silken armour in MFS

knotty islandBOT
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I think the attunement bonus should be the rush-disengage boost.

buoyant summit
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I am inclined to agree

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Though I am realizing that would probably be an evocation anyways, but one simple to make

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A Permanent that is 'when you Rush or Disengage, you gain X bonus'

merry arch
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I'm having a lot of fun spinning BeaMu in my head. perceptive enough to know when people are trying to trick her but dumb enough to fall for it anyway

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buoyant summit
# knotty island I think the attunement bonus should be the rush-disengage boost.

How about

Cost: 2m; Mins: Essence 1
Type: Supplemental
Keywords: Resonant
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisites: None

When the Exalt charges or wisely retreats, her foes are blinded by the silvery brilliance of her weapon. 

After succeeding on a Rush action, the Exalt's target is partially blinded, suffering an additional point of Onslaught. After succeeding on a Disengage action, the wielder of this weapon may reflexively cause a target that was within close range of her before she Disengaged to subtract 1 dice from all attack rolls against her until the start of the wielder's next turn.

Resonant: The wielder may pay a 3 mote surcharge to flurry an attack with her Rush action at only a -1 penalty.```
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Note: Baihe is a Lunar, and thus resonant with Moonsilver

knotty islandBOT
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I cannot gauge the resonant ability, but I like it.

buoyant summit
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flurries are usually -3 for all rolls with all actions per action

knotty islandBOT
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I see.

bleak hazel
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Rush booster charms are standard for Agility trees if you want comparisons

buoyant summit
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I just sat here for 20 minutes lmao

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chilly sluice
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Athletics has a bunch of Rush related charms usually, yeah

buoyant summit
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this one seems interesting

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knotty islandBOT
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Perhaps just the first part, without the 1/scene requirement?

buoyant summit
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I still like the Shiny idea

knotty islandBOT
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nodding.

buoyant summit
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Also, I have some lore ideas about Da Glaive if you wanted to chat about them

knotty islandBOT
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Let us talk in DMs.

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hiii i got to read some infernal stuff and

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i think its very good that they get an Apostle form now

velvet raft
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Yeah, the Demon Body Apotheosis is really cool

prisma sun
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Damn it is just Berserk

velvet raft
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Outrageously, ridiculously powerful but

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Really cool

buoyant summit
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As soon as they come out I'm making Ganondorf

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Actually is an Infernal the best splat for him?

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buoyant summit
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I was about to ask if BH is Griffith but I remembered BH is an Abyssal

limpid badge
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she's Elric 🫶

velvet raft
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You know, historically, Abyssals and oblivion were occasionally set up as like ... possibly preferable to the Reclamation

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"I bring the peace of death to your horrors" and so on and so forth

prisma sun
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Damn are Infernals also going to click

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It'd really suck for Solars is they also click

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I can't make Zod since that'd just be Evil King Hu

velvet raft
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Like, it can be done on an individual level

prisma sun
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I mean there's no stated way to do it

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but you could definitely still do it

velvet raft
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?

buoyant summit
# prisma sun depends which ganondorf

ToTK Ganondorf who funnily enough I think splits across several splats, inconveniently
Point 1: Is just a fucking lich, straight up
Point 2: Has magic, including monstrous/demonic necromancy, linked explicitly to the moon, though a Blood Moon rather than any specific phases
Point 3: Is the reincarnated form of Demise (this is true of every Ganondorf), who cursed Link's bloodline to always have to deal with Ganondorf

prisma sun
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They do keep mentioning "Yes, you are the same guys who killed the Primordials, nothing is impossible"

buoyant summit
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so like

prisma sun
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I haven't playeed ToTK

buoyant summit
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infernal/abyssal/lunar

velvet raft
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They also keep mentioning over and over that the caging of the Yozis is permanent and the Ebon Dragon is the only one still trying to get out

buoyant summit
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Which ones have you played, he's probably easier to categorize in another game

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In Twilight Princess he's just An Evil Solar

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imo at least

prisma sun
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I mean yeah but you could also just Change That.

buoyant summit
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True

prisma sun
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That was in response to Gk

tulip folio
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😛

buoyant summit
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O

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sorry voy lol

buoyant summit
prisma sun
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I have played uhhhhhhh

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Twilight Princess, Breath of the Wild, Wind Waker to completion off the top of my head

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I watched my brother play Ocaraina

buoyant summit
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OoT is an Infernal I think

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I could always cop out and say 'fuck you any of the Exalts that can come from Solars'

tulip folio
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Pig Lunar Ganon.

buoyant summit
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I mean

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When he has that ability then yeah, Lunar

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Or an Infernal with whatever the fuck this demon body thing is

prisma sun
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Though it does seem like Infernals can do Ganon now too

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yea

velvet raft
# prisma sun I mean yeah but you could also just Change That.

Where I was going with this was that by the lore that is in the books, since the Infernals are more-or-less entertainment for the Yozis instead of being set up to ruin/destroy the world, they sorta default to a higher position on the sorting algorithm of evil.

prisma sun
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Oh yeah

buoyant summit
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I'm inclined to say ToTK Ganondorf is a Lunar cuz he does a lot of necromancy and one of the heralds of the doom he brings is literally the moon

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But like

velvet raft
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Demon Body is really cool but it does kinda seem like a straight upgrade to the solar chassis

buoyant summit
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With a looooooooot of sorcery from the upcoming Infernal splat

velvet raft
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Yeah you only get two anima powers but like

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You get a get-out-of-death-free card once per story

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And turn into a terrifying god-monster

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I don't know that I have an opinion about this, tbc

prisma sun
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I would imagine because the Charms aren't being designed by 10 Howling Witches admist a cauldron it will probably balance itself out

tulip folio
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Yeah, I think we're gunna have less 'I touched you with my hand, please go to the moon and explode 10 times' in the charms

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Compared to solars

prisma sun
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Sensibly Designed Infernal still probably just takes like

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2 turns for a Solar to kill

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instead of one

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Literally just the bit with Boros from OPM

velvet raft
prisma sun
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Do Abyssals have Heaven Thunder Hammer?

merry arch
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she's doing gladiator bout promos in normal conversation because she's only got like. 1 speed and that's Crowdpleaser

prisma sun
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Every Exalted OC line up needs one wrestler

merry arch
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she's King from Tekken for the populats. but also a state propaganda idol but don't worry about that too much because she doesn't know what "state propaganda" means

prisma sun
velvet raft
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He looks thirsty, someone should get him a glass of water

tulip folio
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I'm very tempted to make my infernal's devil body 'The sky cracks open into a terrifying, blood dripping smile' with Dispersed Form + Legendary Size. She's a sorcerer more than a normal combatant.

prisma sun
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Careful, you automatically give your opponent a free 3 dot stunt on an attack because it's gonna look cool as shit when they punch so hard it clears the sky

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im sitting here figuring out how to do my fucked up drugs jellyfish

fierce star
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I never really got any infernals except for one like, plotted outa s people, despite quite liking infernals

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and that character started as a shadowrun character

next delta
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What is the point of the Azimuth's (more restrictive) method of entering their Daemon Body if the default method is also taking damage to -4 health levels?

tulip folio
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It's apparently a typo

next delta
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On the default way of entering it or something about the Azimuth's?

tulip folio
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The azimuth

fierce star
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azimuth is supposed to be at -2 iirc?

tulip folio
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Yeah

next delta
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There are probably ways to get more uses of Demon Body Form, but it seems a bit too bad it is only once a story given how cool some of the abilities for it are

prisma sun
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iirc

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they said there's gonna be a bunch of ways to access it

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im having fun it has been super easy to put together my awful jellyfish devil-body by what a friend walked me thru

prisma sun
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I don't know enough about infernals to workshop one

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i said “awful hypnotic jellyfish” and the game said “yes’m”

ruby geyser
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Infernals are weird fucked up magical demon kids

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fun fact for anybody unfamiliar, in 2e instead of the devil-body, the Yozis each had their own devil-body charm, that basically made you a miniature version of them or their fetich soul, and the like last book they released for 2e added a tree of Essence 6+ charms for Infernals that let you break free from the yozis and do Exigents but as a demon-god and exalt of yourself

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'design your demon form' is a very satisfying compromise for keeping the badass energy while toning them down

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(and shifting them from exalts of the yozis to exalts of hell)

bleak hazel
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According to Vance the question of what happens when you get hit straight to incap is that devil body triggers, replaces your health track with its own so you keep doing stuff and then you're incapacitated or dead again when it ends, because it doesn't actually heal you

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I like this, personally

coral wraith
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dies of death

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common weakness

tulip folio
bleak hazel
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Makes it rather less of a win target fight button if you need to reinsert your entrails the moment it ends

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azimuths aside

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I'm a fan of demon monster death-rage super mode

velvet raft
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Huh, yeah, that's good, I like that.

merry arch
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it feels in keeping with the unpredictability of the yozis as well that you'd just drop dead after demon mode finishes

tulip folio
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I need to check it again. Mostly 'see which tricks work best for a dedicated sorcerer'.

velvet raft
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I wonder if there's going to be something analogous to the one Solar Occult charm that keeps one barely hanging on at their -4. Probably not.

coral wraith
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Are there any new demons yet

velvet raft
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Not yet

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We just got the character creation chapter

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Gonna be charms charms charms for a while

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Then martial arts and sorcery

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Bestiary is two weeks or so out, IIRC

bleak hazel
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I'd expect a Malfeas type azimuth who builds for combat to be basically indestructible but that's Malfeas, they've always been like that

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I do wonder what the singular martial art is

tulip folio
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Yeah, the one they had before almost certainly became Infernal Brawl

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We're unlikely to see One Handed Fury turn up in martial arts

velvet raft
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That name sounds familiar but I can't place it

tulip folio
velvet raft
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Aye, I meant One Handed Fury in particular

tulip folio
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Oh, it was the capstone charm for it.

velvet raft
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Gotcha

tulip folio
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Where you transformed your arm into an infernal artifact with demonic power trapped within it.

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It came with...complications.

velvet raft
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I bet

tulip folio
# 
All social attacks by Yozis and Third Circle demons against the martial artist are undodgeable for one full day following any flaring of the runes. The character may argue against the Yozis or their core aspects (i.e., parry) but can’t ignore or reject the nature of the weapon she has become. Worse, once in the lifetime of any Infernal Monster Style master, the Yozis may telepathically command her to act as they please for one scene across any distance or realms of existence. Resistance is not possible, and defenses that trump this control merely postpone it to another time. The character can be ordered to betray her Motivation but can’t be given an unacceptable order. 

This effect is a closely guarded secret of the Yozis and remains unknown to their Infernal Exalted and the Fivescore Fellowship alike. If any individual masters suspect the danger or have discovered this curse the hard way, they have kept the knowledge to themselves. Anys Syn, elder aide to Chejop Kejak and chief architect of the Immaculate Dragon Styles, would personally prosecute any of the Maidens’ Chosen found to be compromised in such a manner, her own predilection for wearing gloves to major battles notwithstanding.
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I don't think Ayns Syn still knows it

bleak hazel
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This was one of their bundle of excuses for killing all the Sidereals offscreen in ROTSE, among other things

velvet raft
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🙄

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I figured pretty much as soon as I read it, yeah.

tulip folio
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That said: It kinda still exists.

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In how Warlocks now work

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Where they hard lock an intimacy in place

velvet raft
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Akuma were always like that, though, right?

tulip folio
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Akuma were full 'you have no free will, you're just a puppet of the Yozi'

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Warlocks have free will, just with...specific limitations/a specific thing that is set for you.

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A warlock who'd got a demon-set minor or major intimacy can work against it just fine.

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He just can't change it

velvet raft
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The choice of the word warlock is silly

tulip folio
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Yeah, I don't super like it as it used to be the term for Infernals.

bleak hazel
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Going warlock mode is actually quite tempting now, if only because it has an integrated glory sphere

tulip folio
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So it gets me turned about a bit

velvet raft
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Etymologically it means oathbreaker >_>

tulip folio
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Warlock: "I'm the only guy here not oathbreaking! These guys are the original bosses!"

velvet raft
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Which always struct me as very funny re: D&D warlocks ending up centered around a pact

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The entire cultural construction of the warlock is A Guy Who Has An Oath

tulip folio
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I do hope Oath Breaking Strike returns somewhere. It was a fun part of Infernal Monster Style.

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Where you manifested the power of an oath or other mystical binding and tested your strength against it, shattering it.

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So you could free a demon from being bound to a sorcerer.

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Or break an eclipse oath etc

velvet raft
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That's cool

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I basically have no memory of Infernal Monster apparently

tulip folio
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It had one of my favorite defensive charms of all time.

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Screaming Meat Shield

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If you have a guy grappled, you can redirect an attack against you to the guy grappled.

velvet raft
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Makes sense

tulip folio
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And you get a bigger bonus against the attacker based on the strongest intimacy they have for the guy you've got grappled.

velvet raft
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Aha

tulip folio
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They also had World Breaker Grip

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Where you could use a grappled guy as an Improvised Weapon

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With both him and the target taking damage.

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Infernal Monster as a style was basicly that iconic Hulk/Loki scene.

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I kinda stole World Breaker Grip when I did my 3e update of First Pulse.

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Flagstones Meet Face
Cost: 5m, 1wp; Mins: Martial Arts 4, Essence 2
Type: Supplemental
Keywords: Decisive-only
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: Shattered Cornerstone Shards, Heels on Cobblestone Echo
It is always an advantage to throw your opponent off guard. Slow reactions in a deadly conflict show a lack of focus, but controlling someone else's reaction? That's skill.

This charm supplements a Decisive Slam attempt. The martial artist attempts to Slam the victim against another Character or Environmental Hazard within Short Range.
  -When the victim is Slammed against another character, make a Decisive Attack against the target as with a Thrown(Short) Improvised Weapon. If they hit, divide the martial artist's initiative evenly between the two targets (Rounding Up), gaining the full dice of the Slam against both targets. On a miss, treat this as a normal Slam against the initial victim. If a character attempts to Clash this attack, any harm the Clash would cause is inflicted upon the unwilling projectile instead of the martial artist.
  -When the victim is slammed into an environmental hazard, the target must immediately test to avoid that Environmental Hazard, regardless of its normal Interval. Its difficulty is considered to be (Higher of 3 or Essence) unless it would normally be higher.
velvet raft
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Man whoever wrote chapter 2 of the draft really likes the word "febrile"

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If I had a nickel for every time I've seen it used to describe a location in the space of a few pages, I'd have two nickels, which etc etc

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Okay not bad

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This, I'm less keen on

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... okay, I think somewhere along the way, I separated SWLIHN into two pieces, one of whom I was remembering as Cecelyne

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So, actually that's fine

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The description of SWLIHN is oddly flattering

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Not much about the ways she's fucked up, as with Malfeas and Cecelyne

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They made Adorjan more overtly sinister, sadly

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This is funny though

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It feels like they actually moved a bit of Adorjan's characterization to Ebby

nova yew
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Man.
Being an abyssal is awesome if you’re a villain

I’m already scheming how to seed cities of creation with Specter spies

merry arch
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hell yes

nova yew
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The will of the neverborn!!!!

velvet raft
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Unrelated: am I doing it right

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nova yew
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Peam

velvet raft
nova yew
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They certainly don’t

velvet raft
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No I mean by comparison with heroic ones

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You can get away with a lot of not-sleeping-in-tombs if you're doing the work of the Neverborn

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The more you defy them the more of a weird goth you need to be

nova yew
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But I’ve created the most mentally ill woman who has a death lord as surrogate father figure and has somehow projected her own issues onto the neverborn in a way that isn’t quite wrong

nova yew
velvet raft
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So if you meet an Abyssal who is going full corpse makeup, they could be nice!

nova yew
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This is true

velvet raft
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But if you meet an Abyssal who seems normal, you are fucked

nova yew
nova yew
merry arch
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i've decided that beamu is a) incapable of telling a lie and b) the type of girl to give unsolicited compliments and pep talks to random passersby

lament owl
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I think its very humorous that our circle all have a major or higher positive tie to the deathlord

We all actually rather like da boss

tulip folio
merry arch
mighty rover
velvet raft
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An evil Abyssal could also be wearing corpse makeup!

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But if so, they're just doing it for style reasons

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And/or being a suckup

merry arch
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it's really a minefield out there when it comes to random abyssal encounters

velvet raft
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Just, under no circumstances should one approach an Abyssal who is not wearing bones and covered in the pallor of death

lament owl
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What about the abyssal that always shows up disguised as dead people

bleak hazel
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some people have had trouble distinguishing Crimson from the level of vampiric-looking-drama-queen that is totally normal for Creation merchant princes

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mostly because they kept really fluffing their diff 5 trappings check

lament owl
wise ocean
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Catching them all

velvet raft
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Mask of Winters? More like Pokemon Master of no this doesn't work

nova yew
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We love our boss

velvet raft
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He's not enough of a dork for me personally

merry arch
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I love him because he's a messy bitch

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like yes girl start shit with literally everyone ever

bleak hazel
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Winters is great

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probably my favourite deathlord, Silver Prince is second

velvet raft
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I find Black Heron's desperation very amusing

nova yew
merry arch
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exactlyyyy

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"yea I have a bunch of followers who I dangle shit in front of constantly to watch them fight" this diva

nova yew
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We’re helping out in Thorns

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Being helpful to our nice friend the Rightful Heir

merry arch
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iktr

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anywho I'm still having a lot of fun thinking about my alchemical. perfect idiot creature. woman who has to have weekly check ins with her propaganda officer because she's so stupid that they have to reeducate her constantly. fortunately she literally cannot lie so when they ask her what she learned this week they can nip the "unacceptable material" at the bud.

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what a helpful icon of estasian progress

nova yew
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they have to reeducate her constantly because she forgor

merry arch
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exactlyyyy

wise ocean
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but she rember 🙂

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this has also forcibly reminded me that I was informed at some point that koi would be an estasian councillor

merry arch
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GOD

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YOU COULD JUST TRANSPLANT HIM THERE AND IT WOULD WORK

wise ocean
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Eternal Spirit of Brotherly Communion type beat

merry arch
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yes exactly

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the rare influence 5 soulsteel caste

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having him wrangle BeaMu would be hilarious

velvet raft
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I like Jade caste a lot

merry arch
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nominally anyways

wise ocean
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four-armed, 13-foot bimbo, gravely: the good councillor has told me I am not supposed to spend time with you, as it distracts from my duties to our grateful people.

merry arch
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SCISNNFKENFNDNN EXACTLY

nova yew
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i love her

merry arch
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she's absolutely perfect

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you can trap her in a logical prison if you manipulate her into trying to solve a somewhat challenging riddle

nova yew
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placing a rubix cube in front of her because i need to go do something for an hour but i dont want her to leave

merry arch
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HAHAHAHA

velvet raft
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This will only make her stronger

merry arch
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hahahaha! the colors are really nice on this toy! she said it was a puzzle but I don't know how to solve it! it's fun to spin though!

nova yew
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does this to her

merry arch
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HAHAHAHAHA

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she's a freak of science. she can recover all of her health levels in the time it would normally take another exalt to heal one lethal -4 injury

bleak hazel
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I don't have an alch yet, I never made the one I had hanging out in heaven

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I should make an actual autocthonian alch

velvet raft
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@bleak hazel Just noticed this thing, which it occurs to me could give a PAOC stylist even more effective Essence, and of course Manse-and-Demesne Form exists

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bleak hazel
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yeah, that one's a handy one

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I think the only actual play I've seen figured out with that is that if you have that, PAOC and a suitable Ghostbusters intimacy (Iki suggests "Bustin' makes me feel good") you can use an E1 Medicine 1 charm to banish deathlords

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all credit to Voy for the idea and presumably also the "go find Winters' corpse" quest

velvet raft
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Hah!

velvet raft
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Hm Strength 5/Dex 1/Stamina 5 brawl abyssal ...

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It's a setup that works but it does feel weird

feral cipher
velvet raft
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Yeh

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I've been playing around with the Abyssal charm set and it is so much cooler than the Solar one

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It's also just better-written

feral cipher
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The abyssal splat has some much better juice yeah

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The corebook hearthstones are so lame

velvet raft
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I <3 Hearthstones

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There are a few good ones but yeah

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Most of the good stuff is in Arms and the splat books

feral cipher
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I'm playing the party's rich dickhead socialite, which means I get fun tricks like these

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velvet raft
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Like, compare this Solar charm with its Abyssal equivalent

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"Words words words words" vs "it's a perfect defense."

feral cipher
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Abyssals also have access to undead armies via Command, which are... really strong

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So I'll be working my way into some War stuff too

feral cipher
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If you're investing, that's Really Good

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Also Lore gives me a fuckin wizard blast, that's pretty great

velvet raft
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You may want to consult someone who's more knowledgeable re: war, as I think there are a few charms (copied over from solars) which sort of break things in a very unfun way

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Just to double check

prisma sun
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If you arent going apocalyptic war its fine

feral cipher
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Which I am not

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I'll be picking some stuff up from it though so uhh

velvet raft
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I think there's a particular Essence 2 Solar charm and I have no idea if it was mirrored

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So, not an issue yet

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Unrelated: I guess for in-combat influence, Hideous really is king?

tulip folio
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I mean, if you want to go basic, I suppose? Nothing stops other influences there.

velvet raft
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True

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There's just so much good Threaten tech out there

buoyant summit
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Should I make my Changing Moon into Paul Muad'Dib Atreides But a Girl

velvet raft
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Yes

buoyant summit
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lmao

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Also Cold Edition™

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i.e. they're in the north

velvet raft
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Snow is just highbrow sand

buoyant summit
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The three inspos so far are Cassian Andor, Arya Stark, and Paul Atreides

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Surely this character is mentally healthy

velvet raft
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I really like this angle that more than anything the Yozis need the Infernals to give them something to do.

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buoyant summit
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Huh

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That's fun

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When they come out he's probably who I'm gonna pick for my Inf

velvet raft
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I don't think you need to pick someone, fwiw

buoyant summit
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Yes but I want to

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xD

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Also knowing Exalted he is literally a forest of silver trees

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and that's cool

velvet raft
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Upside down silver trees

ruby geyser
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he is technically one silver tree that is upside down, and the trees you see are his inverted roots, iirc

buoyant summit
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That's cooler

prisma sun
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I think

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if I was to make an Infernal

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It'd be where I'd justify making an Invincible Sword Princess

velvet raft
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And in pain, of course, but nothing aggravates pain quite like boredom and loneliness

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What I'm picking up here is that they've almost taken the proposition that in the absence of the Reclamation, the Infernals don't have a clear purpose, and just sort of run with it

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The Yozis do not have a good reason, or really any reason at all, for creating the Infernal exalted, save that they want someone to root for and live vicariously through

next delta
velvet raft
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So the Infernals are sorta. At least outside of Chapter 1. Exalted without a purpose? And that's wonderful?

prisma sun
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Solaroids with a paycheck

velvet raft
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Like yes hypothetically they can go on rampages and fuck up everyone who made their mortal lives bad, but. Barring that, they seem to be in the position of being completely undirected.

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And a home base.

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I'm gonna share this whole Yozi because she's so good.

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The only writeup I've been disappointed with so far is Adorjan, who has been made straightforwardly malicious for reasons I can't comprehend.

chilly sluice
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What's there on Isidoros?

velvet raft
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His nature is to be unstoppable, to go wherever whim takes him, and trample all in his way (intellectually, as well as physically, when the occasion rises). Being trapped in Malfeas is anguish to him. He likes to push Infernals to be like him, because he sees himself in them, and because he sees himself in them he is able to act with some measure of gentleness towards them as nothing else.

tulip folio
velvet raft
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He pushes them and tests them, but they are the only entities for whom he handicaps himself

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Which is like

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This is the good shit

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This is what I'm here for

ruby geyser
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we got a brawl charm preview on backerkit

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it kicks ass

next delta
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I see they are really going for "there are no evil people in Exalted, except the Deathlords" with the Yozi

ruby geyser
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granted it's brawl 5, essence 5

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but it lets you throw someone so hard they leave a massive impact crater and damage shit around where they land

velvet raft
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The big thing is that the Yozis are awful and do awful things, but they are not human, and judging them by human standards only kinda sorta works.

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Also, what was done to them and to Malfeas in particular was incredibly monstrous, no matter how monstrous they themselves could be.

buoyant summit
velvet raft
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XD

buoyant summit
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||I SEE NOW! YOU DENY YOUR WEAPON ITS PURPOSE!||

prisma sun
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I mean yeah, it fits for Infernals

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MEMORY'S BROKEN

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THE TRUTH GOES UNSPOKEN

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I'VE EVEN FORGOTTEN MY NAAAAAAAAAAAMME

bleak hazel
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I think this might be the easiest way I've ever seen to Uncountable Damage someone on purpose

dense verge
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I think Infernals at least have an inkling more direction than Solars, but they are pretty free of obligation

bleak hazel
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E5 Brawl 5 but hey, you have Supernal

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almost certainly not a problem but it is funny

velvet raft
dense verge
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ahh

velvet raft
#

The Infernals seem to have been created because the Yozis are in desperate, desperate need of novelty.

next delta
velvet raft
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At least, this is my read on the material following chapter 1.

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But even in chapter 1, there's some element of needing to be entertained.

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They're spectators. It's boring. They made some OCs.

bleak hazel
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for bonus points it is just a very high throw

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I wonder if you could Avoidance or Travel Without Distance out of it

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I would personally allow someone to do that for funny points but hey

buoyant summit
prisma sun
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GREEN SUN

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GREEN SUN

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GREEN SUN OVER PARADISE

buoyant summit
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XD

velvet raft
#

But there's something lovely about how a lot of these are written, and I am certain that is deliberate

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The writing wants us to understand that there is something beautiful about these horrible demon gods

next delta
nova yew
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I could fix them-

prisma sun
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I do think Sids can explicitly dodge gravity.

velvet raft
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Like, the writing here is pretty explicit in its intent.

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It borders on purple

next delta
nova yew
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❤️

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I’m already getting this way about the neverborn so

chilly sluice
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It's still funny to me that at one point Isidoros tried to ascend Qaf

nova yew
#

This is fine

chilly sluice
velvet raft
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Like, I was really into 2e Infernals for the pathos they imbued into this part of the cosmology. This is going way further.

bleak hazel
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Sids can dodge gravity but only by using Duck Fate on the fall damage, this isn't actually fall damage

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you can however use a dirt cheap 4 mote resistance charm to block uncountable since it's there for some reason

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so honestly it's probably good that the rampaging demon god threw you into orbit rather than using all those rounds of grapple control to actually kill you

velvet raft
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It's so weird how much this feels like a completely different book than chapter 1

prisma sun
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hmm

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I may have just gotten a virus trying to get the 8-bit theater parry the ground page

next delta
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Need to find the Sphere-Creationer and throw them into the sky and see what nonsense they make up about how it still has to be round

prisma sun
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fucking scary as shit

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like 10 different command panel things just popped up on the web page

next delta
prisma sun
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and a voice said "WARNING YOUR COMPUTER HAS BEEN LOCKED UP"

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so I just closed the tab

next delta
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lol, those are the funniest of malware attempts

velvet raft
prisma sun
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i got the page at least

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Is Nuklear Power just a malware site now?

velvet raft
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Okay, someone needs to tell them to stop using the word febrile >_>

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I guess it will be me

lament owl
#

In yet another show of this circles class disparity

My character cannot read

next delta
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lol, I was going to say it could be you

nova yew
#

Submissive and febrile

nova yew
velvet raft
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Explode

nova yew
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Who grew up too poor to learn to read ❤️

lament owl
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Its a good word!

velvet raft
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This is the third time at least and it is just as weird and out-of-place as the first

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It feels like someone wanted to use it because it is a $10 word specifically.

next delta
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Febrile does seem like a word I wouldn't be surprised to see in Exalted. Three times might be a bit much though

velvet raft
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It just means "fevered"

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Very similar rhythm and sound, better known.

tulip folio
velvet raft
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Alright, here's my febrile take: the constant talking about how the Yozis cannot be freed is meant to impart something specific: that the yozis cannot be freed. It is in their nature to be bound, it is definitionally so. They cannot conceive of their freedom, and so they cannot have it.

feral cipher
lament owl
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To be fair
I can’t judge because I’m the type of guy who says lascivious in conversation

velvet raft
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Lascivious is still in use

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Not common use, but it is in the lexicon

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Alright, I'm through the fifteen yozi writeups, and I'm just detecting much clearer intention in this chapter.

nova yew
feral cipher
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skeletons can look good, i'm just an asshole

velvet raft
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Abyssals just get a lot of good threaten tech

feral cipher
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They gotta actually seriously hate my guts

velvet raft
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Check out hungry ghost style, for instance

feral cipher
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So my main tact is gonna be being really rich and smug and instill a lot of You want what I have

bleak hazel
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I also have an incredibly rich abyssal and there's a rather fun bureaucracy charm that lets you flex your wealth to gain massive social bonuses

feral cipher
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Yeah! I plan to grab that

nova yew
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But also we do have a solid local ghost population

feral cipher
prisma sun
nova yew
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So who knows. Maybe if you put yourself out there you could get it

feral cipher
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So will be a bit

bleak hazel
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Crimson is not yet Res 5 because he only rules a small city, but he'll get there

nova yew
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Because nobody has good taste up here

feral cipher
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I'm at resources 4 from game start
I have a big evil bank vault manse outside of Thorn

nova yew
#

Now, the underworld? That has good stuff.

nova yew
velvet raft
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Man, Abyssal Resistance is cool

tulip folio
velvet raft
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Consider also: Chains + Terminal Velocity approach

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Pull them in, throw them back out

tulip folio
#

My Lunar has Resources 5 because she's got a Fae Bag that pours out gems when upended without limit.

She's wanted by heaven for damage to creation's economy.

velvet raft
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Here's what I ended up with building a Resistance/Brawl Abyssal

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Would have loved to fit in some social stuff, but I'm not sure what I would drop

chilly sluice
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I considered Resistance/Brawl yeah

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the chains do seem pretty fun

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also while I was looking through Athletics charms, I find the one where you Rush up to someone so quickly it scares them and everyone around very amusing

velvet raft
#

And stats, I think I did this right :V

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(The optimal version of this would probably grab Hideous for threaten tech)

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Wait

#

The strength-to-attack charm doesn't work for the chains 😩

next delta
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(I do hate how the xp scaling encourages such extreme Attribute spreads)

velvet raft
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It actually makes sense this time, but yeah

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I hear you

nova yew
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I’m primarily going occult and brawl

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I’m primarily a necromancer but I have knife fingers I wanna use

velvet raft
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Abyssal brawl is extremely strong, in large part because solar brawl was ridiculous, but it's also just really fun

feral cipher
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Presence is my apocalyptic, the rest of my shit is divvied in War, Lore and Bureaucracy mostly

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I invested in some Throwing so I can have Lore's evil laser beam actually hit things