He's a techpriest and another player is a techmarine in my Wrath & Glory game so I can confirm
#Exalted
buoyant summit
buoyant summit
Also he and I had a twisted 'buddy cop in that we fucked each other over and the plot progressed' relationship in a Wallflower game
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you're playing a redsid advisor to butch temujin, misc
bleak hazel
that's not buddy cop activities, that's just Being Real Shady
which admittedly is the other thing I do
buoyant summit
that's not buddy cop activities, that's just Being Real Shady
Sir...
bleak hazel
Grand Vizier Chat is distinct from noir detective
(most of the time, Sancerre dabbles in both)
limpid badge
that's fair....
bloody hand is busy scaring people and being a freak so i can't reallyyyy throw stones
buoyant summit
I submit that we were unusually effective as a pair despite our clashing personalities and even goals, a core staple of the buddy cop dynamic
bleak hazel
Rival is also yet to appear beacuse you guys are busy doing Secrets Activities
Battles Activities can wait until a later date
somewhere he's just sticking his big recruitment banner into the ground and producing troops from nowhere, which is his primary job
limpid badge
looook by the time we get to battles everyone will hopefully have Complex Feelings about Bloody Hand being around
mostly because she's going to get the war charm that lets her soak with a unit
bleak hazel
Auspicious Recruitment Drive is, if nothing else, pretty decent at providing chumps to stand behind
limpid badge
chumps to stand behind while she's busy turning squads into statuary!
prisma sun
Ligier yeah
velvet raft
But yeah I like Sids and Infernals as foils
I have realized the only way to improve my stupid "solar becomes heaven's bursar" plotline is to make it an infernal becoming heaven's bursar
velvet raft
Adorjan like:
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hiii @tulip folio i settled on a name Layabout Prince of the Lotus Feasting Hall
fierce star
nom nom nom tasty martial arts
tulip folio
hiii <@248315253027373057> i settled on a name `Layabout Prince of the Lotus Fea...
That's very fun.
...man, I know martial arts are fun but man martial artist costs an arm and a leg.
velvet raft
It does, yeah
fierce star
Unless you're an alchemical, at least. 4 XP! Does take up a permanent slot though
bleak hazel
or a Sid, they get it free
my controversial tax merit take is that it's totally worth the cost on Lunars, even if you're optimising, because freeform charm combos are just that good
you can cover functionally any weakness
on Solars/Abyssals you have no charm combos and your native charms are crazy good so you might as well just take those unless you want a specific thing
(white veil social stealth or Flying Guillotine attacking with int, for instance)
tulip folio
Even with Lunars with how you can't martial arts + shapeshift?
bleak hazel
you can martial arts and DBT, last I checked
there's even a high essence charm to stack DBT and form activation into one round
that also gives them a ton of soak and damage so you don't need to care about potentially going unarmed
tulip folio
Ah right, DBT. Fair.
I've been pondering this Lunar Sorcerer so much I forgot that DBT exists 😛
How is the Firewand Martial Art? I've not used it before.
I am dangerously tempted to pick up the Lunar Firewand for this witch
As it lets you do more witch-ery.
velvet raft
If you're doing DBT you probably want martial arts
If you're fighting as a Big Pig, tragically, no martial arts for you
tulip folio
In this case it's a witch who was mostly planning Combat Magic but I'm really tempted by the Lunar Firewand because it's some great Horrible Witch Bullshit.
tulip folio
Soon, yeah
velvet raft
I think. I think I am going to throw them my filthy shekels unless I am really put off by the pitch.
And if I don't like the result, I don't like the result.
fierce star
so righteous devil isn't bad, just specialized
and lunars don't have a ton of native support for flame wand shenanigans, so
it does let you use your stuff as a melee weapon, which is njice, in the form
tulip folio
I am realizing there's a bit of conflict between righteous devil and the base charm for the firewand
Righteous Devil's base trick is 'reload when you aim'
But Weirdflame doesn't reload
fierce star
ah, yeah, there' ssome skornergy there
OTOH it does let you only pop out hte derangement when you can afford to have it?
unless wyrdfalme requires the first evocation to be active to use the other stuff
tulip folio
It doesn't, no
velvet raft
That's true, yeah, you could mostly ignore the first evocation
tulip folio
I think I might just pass on martial arts. Or weapon-swap weirdflame into a custom weapon of a different type 😛
fierce star
honestly you don't NEED to have MA to make good enough use of it as a lunar I feel like
velvet raft
I think I might just pass on martial arts. Or weapon-swap weirdflame into a cust...
Use Thousand Blades with firewands
tulip folio
Sadly melee only. XD
tulip folio
And bayonets literally only exist for Righteous Devil's Form. XD
Like that is the only place where 'bayonet on a firewand' ever turns up.
And it swaps your 'this melee attack is only granted by the form itself' from bashing to lethal
God knows what a bayonet does if you don't have Righteous Devil
tulip folio
...that's a better weapon than the one granted by the form charm. XD
Non-Form Bayonet: Lethal, Melee, Thrown (Short), Piercing
Form Bayonet: Lethal, martial arts, shield
fierce star
yeah, the form benefit is you can use it with righteous devil charms, but like... most don't apply, so...
(and shield sucks)
tulip folio
yeah, the form benefit is you can use it with righteous devil charms, but like.....
It's also kinda...unclear...on if you can use the bayonet by default. As the bayonet is part of the firewand and the martial art uses firewands...
fierce star
natural language :D
tulip folio
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rktt4qgwJzT9BBA3fSfUAoGcbOjjQXnPG4vQlZHprdM/edit?usp=sharing Tinkering with Necromantic Spells.
tulip folio
Master Puppeteer's Knife
Cost: 13nm, 1wp
Keywords: Decisive-only
Duration: Instant
Spreading her fingers wide and slashing a sharp object beneath it, the caster cuts the threads that bind a necrotic semblance of life into a corpse.
The necromancer unleashes a wave of Essence, rolling (Wits + Occult) as an unblockable decisive attack against all Undead or Blighted characters — including allies — within short range. Those animated by another's will rather than their own are particularly vulnerable to this effect and thus Mindless Undead as well as Gremlins formed from Mortals or Animals suffer -2 to Defence against it.
The attack deals (Intelligence + extra successes) dice of lethal damage to each hit character or (Intelligence + Essence + extra successes) against battle groups.
Those destroyed by Master Puppeteer's Knife are granted peaceful rest and show none of the effects that their time as undead or gremlins would have caused. They cannot be raised again as undead.
Control: The necromancer gains (essence) bonus dice to the spell's attack roll. Her dedication to the breaking of chains is palpable around her. Slaves and Prisoners count as having a minor tie of sympathy to her, even if they would otherwise be mindless, as long as she is not the cause of their state. However, slavers and other binders of the unwilling count as having a minor tie of disgust towards her.
Added another one.
tulip folio
So, the GM for the Alch game I'm in has a planned houserule for Alchs (Though he got me to help with the wording)
Redlining
Alchemical's devoted souls are capable of pushing themselves beyond the limits of their mere bodies. Once per story, an Alchemical may voluntarily suffer a crippling injury in order to gain (Higher of 3 or Essence) non-charm dice on a roll, which may be added after the roll is made. This crippling injury will take the form of the loss of an entire sense, useful extremity or important organ. They may tear apart their arm ripping open the hatch of a warstrider, burn out their eyes calculating the formula for an important spell or blow apart their vocalizer with a roar that sends an army into panicked retreat.
An Alchemical may not benefit from both Redlining and the damage reducing effects of a voluntary crippling injury in the same scene.
bleak hazel
the only exclusive companion stuff that has not already been yoinked appears to be Second and Third Circle demons
will not be partaking in that but I appreciate getting a good number of demons in that when it eventually eventually comes out
bleak hazel
the art is the traditional 3e glossy style but I appreciate the contents
velvet raft
I don’t hate this but I am sad we’re not picking losers anymore
prisma sun
I mean you can be losers
bleak hazel
SWLIHN is here and has opinions on your dance moves
prisma sun
Whether they were once vindictive princelings passed over for the crown, failed revolutionaries who sought to reorder the world, or slaves who refused to let chains break their spirit, they are now the Infernal Exalted: Chosen of Hell, the Green Sun Princes, and the living vengeance of the Yozis.
It turns out sucking and failing does make you vindictive
bleak hazel
I think this might also be the first crystal wasp art in 3e unless I missed one in core
app 5 bug real
fierce star
They're rather... unimpressive
prisma sun
It's in core yeah
bleak hazel
yeah, doesn't super do it for me
prisma sun
Apes riding wasps is really funny
velvet raft
There is a difference in vibe between choosing as a player to be someone who failed, and diegetically being chosen for failure
bleak hazel
this guy has a videogame crafting screen open, what is this
me playing Amazing Cultivation Simulator
prisma sun
why does he have a crab arm
fierce star
Oh shit devil arm pirate surgeon dude is still here, hell yeah
bleak hazel
crab arm infernal is actually from last ed
can't remember his name but he's an old iconic
fierce star
he's one of ex2's iconics, the short version is 'he got his mortal one chopped off and thrown overboard when he pissed off a captain by not actually being a surgeon' iirc
next delta
They're rather... unimpressive
Hard to make an image of something supernaturally beautiful, as it turns out lol
bleak hazel
I really like his vibe but I must admit this is kind of ass craft art
Ex3 doomed to never have an interesting example of a dude crafting things
fierce star
I will admit though if infernals get a craft charm that is literally 'minecraft crafting table interface' i will howl with laughter
velvet raft
Also, does anyone else think that the Infernals title text looks exactly like Werewolf the Forsaken’s, but green?
This is not a complaint
I just think it’s funny
bleak hazel
the 3e core Craft art is either terrible poser art or Yakub
prisma sun
It might be the same font
next delta
I am not a fan, personally. But that is definitely what it made me think of
tulip folio
I will admit though if infernals get a craft charm that is literally 'minecraft ...
Otherworld Visitor Cheating Invocation, gives you an isekai cheat skill.
fierce star
ilmao
bleak hazel
I'm sorry Mr. Solar, your use of Craftsman Needs No Tools is very cool, but what is up with your forehead
prisma sun
I need to mindwipe everyone who knows of Yakub
next delta
I'm sorry Mr. Solar, your use of Craftsman Needs No Tools is very cool, but what...
It's where he stored all the essence he is blowing into the sword
bleak hazel
honestly that guy is pretty good Infernal art even
not that you can't have tattooed solars breathing fire but I could see him as a Malfeas guy
prisma sun
I forget
bleak hazel
the only other crafting art we have is this, which could not be more boring if it tried
bleak hazel
no crafting is actually taking place
I'm pretty sure that's the Single Point lunar interpreted kind of badly
tulip folio
Craftsman Needs No Shirt
bleak hazel
Rakan is this huge bald mob boss looking dude
prisma sun
He is?
fierce star
Yeha that's the iconic full moon
velvet raft
I am not a fan, personally. But that is definitely what it made me think of
It doesn’t look great but it seems to fit with what we know of them going for vengeance and anger as the key vibes
velvet raft
I will probably back at the pdf level to see the backer draft
prisma sun
well of course he's jacked
velvet raft
But my worry remains
bleak hazel
I do quite like Thulio looking like a bit of a thug honestly
given he's apparently quite soft-spoken
nice contrast for the Elder Endings
prisma sun
I feel like "We are allowing the same archetypes as before but also other ones" is never bad when it comes to games like this
velvet raft
It absolutely can be, and it doesn’t necessarily allow for some of the old archetypes
By making it specifically about having a chip on one’s shoulder they are making it meaningfully different
I’ll stop bemoaning this point endlessly but this is where I stand
tulip folio
I’ll stop bemoaning this point endlessly but this is where I stand
100%
velvet raft
It’s not grievance or fury that ultimately moves the Yozi, no matter what they may tell themselves, but weakness and regret
tulip folio
I'm also I'll admit a bit unsure if we'll see the same archetypes as I'm kinda worried they'll make the castes just 'A Solar Caste But Green' but the Yozi had a lot that didn't fit into the usual abilities of the closest caste.
Like Malfeas had a chunk of the performance charms despite his chosen being the closest to dawns
prisma sun
My counter to that is always "Does it hurt it so bad that other people's characters don't conform to your desires, but all of yours still can"
velvet raft
That’s incredibly disingenuous, Voy
tulip folio
...I mean, the issue there is the assumption of 'all of yours still can'
When people are talking about ways in which things are unlikely to still work.
bleak hazel
even Dusks have different stuff from Dawns going on, they have Ride because they're ghost-knights
I would imagine the Infernals will have suitably varied ability spreads
prisma sun
I don't think it is, you can make your character a failure who in that one critical moment fucked up and was Chosen because of it.
next delta
I like the dynamic of "Yozi select people who have grievances and assume they will burn Creation down with their newfound powers, but the Yozi can't understand people well enough to get that's not guaranteed"
bleak hazel
my main complaint is that I cannot remember the new Infernal castes for the life of me despite it being fairly easy to deduce them from orbital mechanics terminology
velvet raft
I'm also I'll admit a bit unsure if we'll see the same archetypes as I'm kinda w...
I’m hoping they take a cue from sidereals and do Yozi charms as similar to division charms
bleak hazel
"Azimuth" is just not as catchy as Slayer
prisma sun
Slayer will probably be a nickname
tulip folio
I'm still annoyed they went Ability-based.
bleak hazel
even if the old names were kind of silly WOD references IIRC
prisma sun
like how Dawns have Brazen Tigers and shit
tulip folio
that is the most boring way for exalts to be set up
bleak hazel
the solar caste nicknames are so funny
fierce star
even if the old names were kind of silly WOD references IIRC
Demon the Fallen references, specifically
bleak hazel
the Dawns have theirs but I'm sorry Mr Eclipse, nobody is calling you "quicksilver falcon"
fierce star
each caste of infernals was named after one of the houses of demon's normal-language nicknames
bleak hazel
everyone just got their own to line up with the Bronze Tigers and Copper Spiders, the only relevant ones
tulip folio
Yeah. The old caste names were Fallen Angels, specifically.
prisma sun
Oh I can see why they'd get rid of that then lol
next delta
the Dawns have theirs but I'm sorry Mr Eclipse, nobody is calling you "quicksilv...
That's what the social charms are for!
tulip folio
...I mean, I like demon the fallen.
So I liked the reference to their types in the caste names
fierce star
I think it's more 'they don't own the DtF IP so references to it are a legal grey area', unfortunately
bleak hazel
in the grand demon wars I am wedded to Demon The Descent, which mostly changes the names
prisma sun
I am saying it doesn't make sense for a splat in Exalted to have a bunch of Abrahamic Christian terminology
fierce star
as much as I also like DtF and would'v eliked the castes--I mean they weren't really abrahamatic christian terminology
fierce star
at no point in RL demonology are any demons called 'malefactors' outside of like, a descrpition of what demons act liek
chilly sluice
I don’t hate this but I am sad we’re not picking losers anymore
oh hey, I love Strategists
tulip folio
With orbital mechanic caste names and Isidoros as a Yozi, if they don't let me make a black hole as an Infernal I'm calling the devs cowards 😛
velvet raft
I don't think it is, *you* can make your character a failure who in that one cri...
It’s absurd to argue that it’s unreasonable to be irritated about a change to fluff that changes the entire vibe of the game and shapes the assumptions of players creating characters and stories. Yes, my Infernal can still be a sad sack or whatever (although apparently they have to be pissed too, so, you know) but this changes the ability to treat that as a game assumption. To extrapolate out: if they changed it to “Infernals are people who were meaningfully inconvenienced”, I would still be able to play someone who experienced abject failure, sure; the game would also be meaningfully different.
I’m not telling you that you have to be annoyed about it
But don’t tell me it’s wrong for me to be
Anyway, when I get home I’ll back it and get the pdf and have more to say on the topic
prisma sun
My point isn't that you're "wrong", it's asking if this change actually meaningfully impacts what you want to do. And genuinely, I do not see any significant differences between potential vibes, as someone who has been orbiting Infernals but never bit into them.
velvet raft
For now we don’t have much real information, this could just be the way they’re pitching it
velvet raft
My counter to that is always "Does it hurt it so bad that other people's charact...
That’s a load of crap, considering the tone of this response. I’m disengaging.
tulip folio
I’m hoping they take a cue from sidereals and do Yozi charms as similar to divis...
That would be very cool. It would allow them to have some stuff that calls outside of the ability-based setup for cool themes.
velvet raft
It would be a good compromise and be a nice little touch given their role as thematic foils to the sids
tulip folio
I could also see an expansion adding some extra yozi by playing with that.
velvet raft
Yep!
tulip folio
Where like Malfeas wants any 5 malfeas charms
While Isidoros wants like 3 malfeas charms and 3 someone else charms
velvet raft
Just designate a set of abilities for each Yozi
tulip folio
Also good
tulip folio
Resistance would be in Malfeas for sure.
tulip folio
Isidoros would have some overlap but not entire. Isidoros would be like:
Survival
Resistance
Athletics
Brawl
Presence
As Isidoros is an Immovable, Unstoppable Object
fierce star
Kimbery could be like, Medicine, Craft, Presence, Resistance, Survival? whichi s very close to isidoros too, admittedly
prisma sun
I feel like giving you like
freebie slots that specify your 3rd circle
Would be a way to do it
velvet raft
3rd circle? As in demon?
tulip folio
...I don't think infernals are really linked to any particular third circle overall.
They're linked to Yozis but not individual demons
velvet raft
Yeah, they’re more like younger siblings to the thirds
prisma sun
I keep forgetting 3rd Circles are not Yozis
Same basic principle
So "I get these from Caste, these from who I was, and these from my specific Big Dude"
velvet raft
They're linked to Yozis but not individual demons
They did have a link to the demon that fused with them
velvet raft
But that was different
prisma sun
Yea
tulip folio
I mean, caste is normally linked with the main yozi you're connected to.
Slayers were linked to Malfeas etc
prisma sun
Well there's more than 5 Yozis ain't there
velvet raft
They could hypothetically disconnect that
prisma sun
Yeah, I'm saying let you customize your Yozi a bit
velvet raft
If they did something like Voy’s suggestion disconnecting it would work
But in 2E it was your caste Yozi, and then another one you particularly connected to
So, different roads to a similar destination
tulip folio
My concern there is that you're gunna find it hard to decouple if you want to keep a lot of iconic infernal charms. As like, a lot of the slayer charmset was about Brass and Green Fire.
prisma sun
So you got the default of Malfeas but if you want Gorzakonth, The Ever-Gaping Tidal Wave That Devours the World, you can also do that
fierce star
I'm stealing that name for a Kimbery-based second circle
prisma sun
Oh also aside
pirate crew got sketched
also managed to get a bauble from a Fae Pirate Captain without having to kung fu fight him on his ship
tulip folio
I do like the idea of doing up some Yozi-specific charms like how the various departments in heaven have 'charms not connected to any specific ability but connected to any of the abilities that are linekd to that department'.
prisma sun
That'd be cool
velvet raft
It would square the circle, I think
tulip folio
So a guy with 5 lore charms and a guy with 5 occult charms both have access to the SWLIHN Telekinetic Arms charm.
prisma sun
Actually that'd be neat
Designate one ability as a "Yozi Favored" and get a charmset/scaling charm based off it
It'd be a cool way to do Apocalypitic/Supernal
velvet raft
My concern there is that you're gunna find it hard to decouple if you want to ke...
Hypothetically, as you published more yozi, you would probably want to add charms with different aesthetics to their associated abilities
Probably not quite so many, but
Just to give PCs something to work with
tulip folio
I really hope they do something more interesting with it than Solars/Abyssals did. As 'can take charms as essence 5' leads to some pretty miserable results in that it REALLY promotes characters to monofocus a single ability or else they're not getting full use out of the big thing and that leads to rather narrow characters.
I imagine it will just be the same
But I hope they'll examine it and tinker with it
prisma sun
I am hoping we finally get a good Domain Expansion
It's all I want
every book I am just waiting for it
velvet raft
Infernals would be a good place for it
velvet raft
Yeah, that guy has Infernals vibes
chilly sluice
I *really* hope they do something more interesting with it than Solars/Abyssals ...
didn't they already confirm that they will have an equivalent to Supernal/Apoc?
velvet raft
They did
prisma sun
velvet raft
IIRC
prisma sun
There we go, actual vibes
velvet raft
That would be a very good reference point for the Apocalypse Shintai stuff
tulip folio
I really, REALLY hope we keep acts of villiany. They are legitimately great game design and likely one of the most iconically infernal things.
prisma sun
Considering the Chivalry stayed in I imagine it'll still Kinda be around
as a limit mechanic
velvet raft
Abyssals having to be super goth if they’re not evil is always good, yeah
tulip folio
I wanna vent limit by telling the Sid all about my cunning plan while I have him chained up.
prisma sun
The Sid vents limit by telling you he already knew your plan before he got there
The cycle of Chosen BSDM continues
bleak hazel
they made Sid Gojo the ambassador to Malfeas entirely to set up the potential for a sweet fight with a potential Infernal Sukuna, he'll be in there
tulip folio
I guess the next splat will be alien exalts then. 😛
prisma sun
I now need to find a funny place to put the actual bell part of the evil bell they're looking for I just realized
What do you think
Steal from the Censor of the West
or
Plunder the dead city of Sharktooth
buoyant summit
What sort of character option best emulates the classic archetype of 'lives to fight, eat, drink, and fuck'
xD
prisma sun
I have a "lives to fight eat drink and fuck" Lunar
but I think every splat hits that vibe
buoyant summit
fair nuff
prisma sun
Like Solars, Lunars, Sids, Deebs, Infernals, even Abyssals can hit that
"Yeah dying sucked but now I get to fuck ghosts forever."
buoyant summit
each of these different types of Exalted have their own versions of each like
'character class' feels like the wrong term
But like a Lunar 'fighter' and Sidereal 'fighter' function differently, right?
bleak hazel
Solars: plain white rice mechanically and mostly thematically, add whatever vibes you want
Lunars: barbarian-styled god-king, can also take people's shapes by fucking them
Sids: Journeys and Battles have multiple charms to get bonuses from hedonism and bloodlust, hit the divine nightclubs of Yu-Shan and start a fight
Infernals: Green Sun rock stars with the attendant lifestyle
prisma sun
Misc not even mentioning the guys who's office is the Giant Brothel
bleak hazel
Dynast Deebs tend to be more stuck-up and Alchemicals more straight-laced, but an outcaste deeb can be any wuxia character you want, so I'd only struggle to do this mechanically with an Alch
buoyant summit
Sorry lunars can what
prisma sun
Lunars can steal your face by fucking
fierce star
yeah lunars get different ways to taket he heart's blood of animals/people and one fo the ways to do so for people is seducing them
buoyant summit
wh-
bleak hazel
Lunars normally become able to shapeshift into something by tearing its heart out as a part of a sacred hunt and eating it
fierce star
MIsc: counterpart on alchs, Thousandfold Courtesan Calculations
bleak hazel
they have a series of charms that extend the "heart's blood" metaphor in different ways
buoyant summit
Ah
bleak hazel
moment of intimacy, beating them in a game of skill, beating them in a court case
very fun
prisma sun
hunting them for sport
buoyant summit
So Lunar definitely feels like it has the fucking part down
bleak hazel
MIsc: counterpart on alchs, Thousandfold Courtesan Calculations
look, every exalt can be good at sex, only some exalts can naturally exude extreme fuckboy vibes
buoyant summit
what the fuck
bleak hazel
oh yeah Sids have a six charm long Craft (Wife) tree
up to you whether you become the wife or marry the wife
welcome to Exalted
prisma sun
If you Craft (wife) (god) you can adopt people and retroactively made them your children the entire time and also giving them divine powers because you are their parents now.
buoyant summit
I wanna die
fierce star
I do love the Craft (Wife) subtree
prisma sun
You can hex people's dicks to make it so they can't score.
buoyant summit
Okay while I get the point across
prisma sun
They have like 5 versions of it.
buoyant summit
I am legitimately starting to lose it can we please stop talking about this specific topic <XD
I cannot fucking handle 'Power Word Incel' rn without beginning to hyperventilate
I need water
Fuck
bleak hazel
if you want to be a stereotypical Conan type you'll probably want a Lunar
prisma sun
You can retroactively have called someone a bitch 10 minutes ago before you walked in the room and suddenly the force of your voice hits them with the power to divorce their wife.
bleak hazel
Lunars are very directly good at being violent and horny
buoyant summit
M E R C Y
prisma sun
The Bull of the North feels like he's Just Conan/Genghis Khan
bleak hazel
he's Ghengis more than Conan, I'd say
prisma sun
But King Hu is my Lunar and he's just a dipshit hedonist
buoyant summit
For reference this character idea I'm having is primarily inspired by Ambessa from League and Augus from Asura's Wrath
Would said inspos fit a Lunar xD
tulip folio
moment of intimacy, beating them in a game of skill, beating them in a *court ca...
Objection! Give me your face!
bleak hazel
I know neither of these but most characters can go in every splat
they're not really classes per se, as you've seen
let me apply google
buoyant summit
Objection! Give me your face!
bleak hazel
yeah these are both straight down the middle Lunars
buoyant summit
lmao
prisma sun
King Hu: Chieftain of the Roaring Bandit Clan, Shah of Beasts, Tiger-Father, Siegebreaker, He Who Topples Mountains, Prodigal Pupil of the Monkey King, Prince of The Jungle, Scourge of Mnemnon, The Beast Who Reigns, Teeth of The Moon, The Rout, Predator of Wayward Gods, The Dread That Comes With Night, The Raider of the Canopy, The Fury That Descends From the Clouds, The River Monster, Patriarch of the Bestial-Brood, The Bane of Civilization, The Wild Inevitable, The Rampage, The Purifying Rage Against the Dead, He Who Bites The Sun From the Sky, The Menace From the Forest’s Edge, Lover of Many, The Barbarous Beast, The Yeddimbacked, The Wildking, The Roar, and many more...
He Is The Fucker
bleak hazel
well, a brief skim of Augus seems to also have Solar or Infernal vibes
but in general Lunar will be totally fine
and you don't want to play a Solar, Solars are so annoying to play and run for
buoyant summit
pfffff
prisma sun
Sword Lunar can work
bleak hazel
wildly swinging from totally useless to gamebreakingly overpowered and back again
no vibes either
prisma sun
In terms of feats Augus is a Solar though
bleak hazel
other than golden punchman
bleak hazel
but in general if you're asking "how can I make a character who really wants to be violent, horny and hedonistic" you are going to get a wide range of answers because this is the violent horny hedonistic demigod game
buoyant summit
lmao fair
buoyant summit
Ambessa and Augus do have the similarity of also being peerless generals
If that helps narrow it down
prisma sun
It doesn't
buoyant summit
Shit
bleak hazel
Exalts are all doing dynasty warriors shit at all times
prisma sun
Really the thing that narrows it down is that they're both Red-Color Schemed
So like
Fire Deeb or Battle Sids if you want that specific aesthetic
bleak hazel
Battles Sid fits but also has an office job and a bunch of esoteric thematics, like all Sids
buoyant summit
Deeb???
bleak hazel
Fire Dragonblood
prisma sun
Dragon Blood
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Ah
fierce star
could be a--they're not called ronin any more
bleak hazel
Fire Deeb also works, but will obviously be doing a lot of direct fireball throwing
buoyant summit
I mean idrc about aesthetics beyond 'has various swords'
fierce star
the sids that aren't (yet) part of heaven?
bleak hazel
Prodigal Star
fierce star
that's it
prisma sun
I mean idrc about aesthetics beyond 'has various swords'
Again not gonna narrow it down unfortunately
bleak hazel
but I would say either Fire Deeb, Infernal or Lunar here
buoyant summit
FUCK
bleak hazel
and Lunar is the most straightforward
buoyant summit
<XD
bleak hazel
don't have Infernal rules yet, deebs involve a lot of setting stuff
prisma sun
Battles Sid fits but also has an office job and a bunch of esoteric thematics, l...
Okay but counterpart, Augus' like main line is bragging that he banged the finest Maidens in Heaven
buoyant summit
Which Exalts do have rules?
prisma sun
Which is a Sid thing
buoyant summit
Okay but counterpart, Augus' like main line is bragging that he banged the fines...
And how that compares naught to the joy of using his blade
bleak hazel
Solars are bad don't play them, everyone else fucks hard
buoyant summit
everyone but Infernals, Getimians and Liminals
I thought you just said Lunars don't have rules?
buoyant summit
Ahhhhh
bleak hazel
Infernal rulebook kickstarter went live today exactly
so probably a year at least before we see that book
buoyant summit
But yeah what sort of borderline wanting to fuck their own steel shenanigans can Lunars get up to?
buoyant summit
lmao
bleak hazel
waifu sword comes free with your corebook
prisma sun
Yeah
bleak hazel
but for an example, this is the cover of the Lunars book
where the fuck is Sublime Danger's writeup
prisma sun
it's somewhere
buoyant summit
Even with the limitless powers of demigodhood
Black cover characters are not free of the Killmonger Cut
bleak hazel
only Adhim and Crimson Banner Executioner get out of that one I'm afraid
buoyant summit
lmao
buoyant summit
Also am I mistaken in sensing some werewolf vibes with Lunars?
bleak hazel
I didn't even know CBE had a face until this edition
fierce star
explicitly so
prisma sun
Luna is Luna is Luna
bleak hazel
he's normally rolling around in the full ninja fits
buoyant summit
Nice
bleak hazel
and yes, lunar defaults to garou but can be any other kind of shapeshifter thing
buoyant summit
Can you be a furry XD
buoyant summit
Awesome
prisma sun
All of King Hu's kids have weird powers
bleak hazel
for examples, let me get some of the most iconic lunar elders
prisma sun
Since he has 8 wives and a husband
buoyant summit
Oh yeah I forget that yeah being a Lunar means you're a descendant of the guy
chilly sluice
Can you be a furry XD
All Lunars are at least kind of
buoyant summit
I have kind of a meme question
prisma sun
You existed normally but then a reincarnating soul was shoved into you
bleak hazel
this is Ma-Ha-Suchi, he's a former First Age scholar and aesthete turned forest warlord, planning campaigns against the Dragon-Blooded Realm with his army of beastmen
he is the Lunar's Lunar
prisma sun
Important note
bleak hazel
no he does not know what shirts are
buoyant summit
So yes this is also a Lunar (spoilered for thoroughness because this character has her whole ass titties out)
prisma sun
you can be a furry as any splat
fierce star
Shirts are for mortals
prisma sun
Beastmen just exist
fierce star
... is that a zinogre
bleak hazel
oh yeah, anyone can grab some mutations if they want
I know a very cool birdman sidereal
anyway Lunar Roll Call
buoyant summit
Is there an Exalted chargen site somewhere or must I slog it with rulebook pdfs and pen & paper?
bleak hazel
this is Raksi, MHS' main rival. Arch-sorceror, diplomat, incredibly vain and self-satisfied but a good patron to have
prisma sun
There's a google sheet
fierce star
There's lot-casting atemi and a google sheet
bleak hazel
takes a new shape frequently, has no staple look
use the sheet, it's very good
this is a crunchy game but it goes fast once you're acclimatised
fierce star
(neither one of htem is updated for alchemicals last I checked ;.;)
bleak hazel
also range band system so no fucking around with being 50m away from a target with 45m range weapoons or something
buoyant summit
what's the google sheet called?
bleak hazel
someone dig it up I can't do so now
buoyant summit
So yes this is also a Lunar (spoilered for thoroughness because this character h...
Inspired by this I am going to make my character a shirtless woman
bleak hazel
it's not named really, people just link and copy it
prisma sun
can't find it
chilly sluice
bleak hazel
wonderful
ah, here she is
this is Sublime Danger of the Thousand Daiklaive Wings
she is a fucking shonen character
prisma sun
Oh yeah
bleak hazel
she has mastered the martial art of Being Gilgamesh From Fate, and she runs around getting into feuds and fighting anyone who looks like they'd be a fun fight in an exceptionally flirty way
buoyant summit
Weird question
prisma sun
entire martial arts style of doing Thunderbolt Fantasy shit
bleak hazel
dense verge
master google sheet hasnt been updated for alchs i think, and maybe release abyssals/sids? i think? at least last i copied it
buoyant summit
is BotW & TotK Ganondorf a Lunar?
bleak hazel
this is her list of character traits
dense verge
dorf's an infernal
buoyant summit
fair nuff
prisma sun
I never played totk
so in BotW he's just kind of a big evil spirit
He's technically more like a 3rd circle demon
bleak hazel
her ultimate skill that represents her badass Elder skills as one of maybe the ten most deadly people alive is "Best Enemy Excitation" and it does exactly what you think it does
dense verge
got his demon stank floating around the castle
dense verge
ganondorf in his many forms strikes me as an infernal, evil hell tyrant with a big demon form
buoyant summit
reads one of the principles 'Oh god do I have a weird soulmate thing going on with a random Solar'
bleak hazel
if you are the newly reincarnated version of her Solar mate an Essence Seven witch-queen elder of violence will show up and attempt to flirt with you via swords
prisma sun
bleak hazel
*reads one of the principles* 'Oh god do I have a weird soulmate thing going on ...
don't have to but you can
there are 400 lunars and 300 solars, a lot of the lunars and probably-all the Solars are bonded to one of their opposite numbers
doesn't have to be romance, some of them fucking hate each other over infinity reincarnations each
bleak hazel
but usually it's an excuse to do a reincarnation romance, yes
buoyant summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muOeJ4fBps
I am thankfully actually quite familiar with Thunderbolt lol
prisma sun
Could even just be 100-100 or less than that
bleak hazel
note that all of Sublime Danger's stuff doesn't just work on her solar mate
prisma sun
Yeah Thunderbolt Fantasy is the only thing I can point to as "Exalted Anime"
THAT
and Fog Hill of Five Elements
bleak hazel
and because her solar bondmate probably got out of the Jade Prison ten seconds ago it is highly likely she is about fifteen times stronger than he/she is and will proceed to kick his arse six ways to sunday every time she shows up to be a pokemon rival
prisma sun
Deeb vs Lunar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLo1MOy_6hU
fierce star
One of the best solar/lunar mate setups I ever played was in an ex2 game where they were constantly reincarnating business rivals, but the business was always either assassination or mercenary work. Fucking hated each other and were constantly undercutting one another to the point they'd just work for free if they found out the other was on a job.
velvet raft
One of the best solar/lunar mate setups I ever played was in an ex2 game where t...
Kismesis
bleak hazel
Sublime Danger's fun thing is that she will attempt to match her rival in whatever her rival's prowess is despite having a severe case of Swords Autism
buoyant summit
is there a path for just being enough of a peerless yet fully mundane swordsman that your bladework keeps up with everyone else's magic bullshit?
bleak hazel
so the firs time she shows up she'll wreck your Craft Solar in a swordfight and the second time she might well challenge you to a smithing contest, lose massively and then very grumpily ask you for lessons
this is Exalted, everything is magic bullshit
velvet raft
is there a path for just being enough of a peerless yet fully mundane swordsman ...
Not really, no
buoyant summit
Damn
bleak hazel
closest you can get is Solar Melee, and that is the strongest combat magic of all the Exalts channeled purely into swording
prisma sun
Closest you would get is being an Exigent chosen by a magical sword
bleak hazel
it's just a bit more vanilla than Lunar combat shapeshifting, Sidereal fatewarping and martial arts or deeb burning sword heroics
buoyant summit
Oh Lunar's combat chassis is primarily shapeshifting based?
fierce star
but like, this is exalted, again, everything is magic. Physics is magic. Mortals might not be Magic with a capital-m and a K if you're feeling nerdy but they're still magic
bleak hazel
doesn't have to be, but they have tricks based on it
velvet raft
is there a path for just being enough of a peerless yet fully mundane swordsman ...
The thing is that the Exaltation would pick this person
fierce star
lunar combat is based primarily around not how good you are at sword, but how storng/fast/tough you are in general
as they're attribute based, not ability based
bleak hazel
even if it's not directly turning yourself into a wolf it's kind of animalistic-themed
you have Ferocious Biting Tooth and Agile Beast Defence, not "Excellent Strike"
(damage, evasion and accuracy skills respectively)
velvet raft
The greatest swordsman in the world is probably Exalted, and is an even better greatest swordsman because of it
bleak hazel
right now the world's greatest swordsman is probably Sublime Danger
at least unless Anys Syn is feeling highly motivated today
fierce star
Anys with the plastic garden chair
buoyant summit
How does Sublime Danger work as a swordsman lunar?
velvet raft
Well
bleak hazel
she is Fate Gilgamesh with a hundred floating swords that she makes wings out of, but she will also just kick your arse with regular swords if she wants to
bleak hazel
they don't have to shapeshift
they just can
but they're divine apex predators, not Best At Swords
next delta
A non-exalted mortal swordsman could probably stack some stuff in their favor if they are willing to accept some magical boons. It's definitely stacked against them though
velvet raft
Lunars channel raw excellence into their pursuits. They are faster, stronger, smarter, prettier, etc.
bleak hazel
she is best at swords because she is the Lunar embodiment of the ultimate bird of prey, and as such lightning fast with flawless senses and instincts, and then layers excellent martial form on top of that
fierce star
The lunar's a better fighter than you because she lifts weights, not because she's trained one sword storke a million times
next delta
The game definitely isn't focused on mortals and then going on quests to get powers from the fey or whatever though
bleak hazel
Sublime Danger has but that's the martial art, not the innate Lunar powers backing it up
there's also an Iaijutsu lunar
both of them fight in human form
you don't have to go full werewolf
buoyant summit
I mostly just needed to know if this bestial strength could be channeled into using a weapon and not necessarily transforming fully into a beast
prisma sun
Yes
bleak hazel
oh yeah sure
buoyant summit
Cool
bleak hazel
all lunar combat charms work with almost anything, their deal is hyper-flexible
prisma sun
Sublime Danger can also just turn into a bird
buoyant summit
lol
bleak hazel
(a shrike, specifically, if she's not using one of her massive number of other forms)
prisma sun
King Hu is a master of the Tiger Style, trained in various martial arts
bleak hazel
Lunars are exceptionally unlimited shapeshifters, they can take the shape of basically anything with flesh
buoyant summit
See but that's no fun
prisma sun
says you
buoyant summit
That's not a swordfight that's a snack
prisma sun
Kaiju battles exist
velvet raft
Raw excellence is part of success in swordsmanship, too
buoyant summit
I mean sure, if to engage on equal footing, fair enough
bleak hazel
look, just turn your familiar into an elemental dragon and ride it into battle against the kaiju
/sidereal
velvet raft
And realistically she has practiced one stroke a million times, that’s just not where the transcendent superhuman excellence is
prisma sun
Turn your familiar into a dragon and then also request the actual dragon who's meant to be in charge show up
next delta
Can you use <animal> style while transformed into <animal>?
prisma sun
no
velvet raft
No
prisma sun
can't usee martial arts while shifted
next delta
Tragic
prisma sun
You can go beastman and then use it though
buoyant summit
And realistically she *has* practiced one stroke a million times, that’s just no...
Yeah she was a grandmaster swordswoman and then got even more physical perfection to leverage while using the same techniques plus a bunch of new magic bullshit
next delta
I understand why, but it'd be cute if there was a rider for the animal styles
prisma sun
So for example King Hu has
- Regular man form
- Regular tiger form
- Normal-sized tiger-man form
- Giant tiger form
- Giant man-tiger form
buoyant summit
Is what I think is being said?
velvet raft
Yeah
buoyant summit
Cool
bleak hazel
the most dangerous exalt alive in 1v1 combat is Anys Syn, the Grandmistress, and she knows 100000 martial arts, that's her thing
buoyant summit
Also part of me wants to make this lunar a bird but also I don't wanna copy Sublime Danger xD
velvet raft
Different exalts just express it in different ways
bleak hazel
Sublime Danger is probably second
velvet raft
And to different degrees
bleak hazel
it's her or Rakan Thulio
prisma sun
it's her or Rakan Thulio
Think Syn is pissed about not knowing how to parry death
velvet raft
But it is fair to say that when the solar starts doing sword magic, that’s not being a wizard, it’s diving even further into the pinnacle of sword arts
buoyant summit
Okay secretarybirds aren't flightless but mainly terrestrial
dense verge
based on earlier discussion of rakan i am now picturing dave bautista in blade runner 2049 as him
bleak hazel
pretty much, yeah
prisma sun
Okay secretarybirds aren't flightless but mainly terrestrial
Keep in mind you can go for dinosaurs
buoyant summit
Scuse me?
bleak hazel
Rakan Thulio, for reference, is an elder Sidereal who betrayed Heaven, parried the Grim Reaper's scythe with his bare hands and went on the run
prisma sun
There's dinosaurs
buoyant summit
The fuck????
velvet raft
Yeah exalted has dinosaurs
prisma sun
King Hu's giant tiger form is a reskinned T.Rex
bleak hazel
velociraptors and pterodactyls are available, albeit renamed
buoyant summit
giant bird woman but instead she's a quetzalcouatlus
prisma sun
You too can ride this for 3 merit dots
dense verge
theres also dinosaur people that are pseudo-exalts, they got rules in Essence somewhere
velvet raft
Look Rhi, let me ask you: thinking about Exalted’s vibe, about everything it is, would it not have dinosaurs? :P
velvet raft
giant bird woman but instead she's a quetzalcouatlus
Yep, we have stats for that
prisma sun
buoyant summit
Look Rhi, let me ask you: thinking about Exalted’s vibe, about everything it is,...
I have read jack and shit about exalted except Red of Overly Sarcastic Productions talking about Solar party comp in a trope talk video once
prisma sun
Honks Aggressively
buoyant summit
xD
next delta
The fuck????
For example, though ravens exist, the raiton (a small black feathered lizard) is more common while keeping a similar cultural and ecosystem role
dense verge
raitons are like, archaeopteryx type things
next delta
Yeah
I guess a big difference appearance wise is they have teeth and clawed wings
I'm curious if they were originally described as feathered or if Exalted updated their description when feathered dinosaurs became more culturally well-known
buoyant summit
Okay I'm gonna try my hand at making a Good At Sword Lunar
next delta
Is it the Lunar main book or the companion that has the cool flying swords style?
prisma sun
companion
next delta
That one is pretty great
bleak hazel
very strong, too, although some of my swordsman characters don't want to actually use six flying swords rather than one normal one
buoyant summit
I think my character is going to have at maximum a pair of sword-paramours
prisma sun
Death the Kid But Swords
bleak hazel
for sword styles you have Single Point (on the banlist of any sane GM, do not deploy), Even Blade's three feuding variants (incredibly cool), Violet Bier of Sorrows (rock solid, slightly edgy) and soon Steel Devil
buoyant summit
I hate how right you are
bleak hazel
which is getting a nice buff in the next book to release to take it from kind of awful to good, so wait and see on that one
buoyant summit
I'm imagining this character's intro scene if she was a game boss as kind of like Imlerith's in the Witcher
bleak hazel
VBOS is perhaps the most usable dual sword style purely because Even Blade needs two hands a lot of the time
next delta
What do you mean by "soon" for Steel Devil? Are they updating it to not be bad?
buoyant summit
Where he's on a wild throne carved from a tree, surrounded by succubi, with two holding his legs, except in this characters case those two become her swords
bleak hazel
yeah, one of the secret techniques in the Sid companion is an all-developers effort resulting from the backer request of "please make Steel Devil good"
bleak hazel
Where he's on a wild throne carved from a tree, surrounded by succubi, with two ...
yeah this is Average Lunar quite frankly
I suggest Violet Bier of Sorrows Style
effective, consistent sword style, works with any blade, fits well with Lunar native charms and strengths
next delta
It's conceptually neat, so I hope it turns out decent. ~~though clearly it should lose to a fire wand ~~
bleak hazel
next delta
I suggest Violet Bier of Sorrows Style
Is that in the Abyssal book?
bleak hazel
tulip folio
One of the only sword styles that actually remembers two handed swords exist.
bleak hazel
incompatible with armour but you don't care, you're a Lunar and your skin is as hard as moonsilver
bleak hazel
Is that in the Abyssal book?
it's the house style of the Bureau of Endings, Sids
buoyant summit
I actually dunno if I'm gonna pick Bier
bleak hazel
if you want something less gloomy, Even Blade has several variants
next delta
I should have realized by the violet. The sorrows misled me
next delta
One of the only sword styles that actually remembers two handed swords exist.
Wait, does Zero-point not?
buoyant summit
purely based on this line; "Its students often cultivate detachment from emotion and compassion in battle, able to act infinitesimally faster than enemies because they do not feel the emotional experience of violence in the moment."
bleak hazel
buoyant summit
It's not even that it's gloomy
It's that it denies this character what she wants
The thrill coursing through her veins
bleak hazel
Radiant Breath seems more your style, then
buoyant summit
She is Feyd-Rautha coded
bleak hazel
Even Blade has three styles that it splits into halfway down, each of which has different vibes
prisma sun
Note you can also skip martial arts and go down the tree of your artifact
tulip folio
Radiant Breath 2 Handed Swords are objectively better than any actual 2 handed sword because they get to remain still a medium sword. XD
next delta
Being an evil guy forcing people to teach you the other schools seems like a fun character concept for Even Blades (even if it is very suboptimal)
tulip folio
...Radiant Breath + Short Sword would be interesting. You've got the accuracy of a short sword and the clash bonus of a 2 handed sword.
bleak hazel
radiant breath with shortsword is just Dune
although I think the slow-blade-penetrates-the-shield is in a different variant
buoyant summit
You can also just use a gun
Unsporting, with her advanced senses, speed, and strength it'd be over too soon~
bleak hazel
Unsporting, with her advanced senses, speed, and strength it'd be over too soon~
don't say this until you've actually shot them, many have said this before the Wood Deeb shot their fireblast out of the air with an arrow from across the valley
buoyant summit
lol
tulip folio
I do like the multiple schools as it feels very wuxia internal argument bullshit.
bleak hazel
it's also just a very solid style, nothing too bullshit but lots of utility
tulip folio
'How is sword best used', thread locked by moderator after 200 pages.
buoyant summit
https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shoot-harrison-ford-nope-gif-11523430
I assume unlike in real life there's some measure of 'so fast can cut bullets in half' in Exalted tho
bleak hazel
sword is best used by Prismatic Arrangement Style, clearly
prisma sun
adding Misc to my game as a very judgemental martial arts enthusiast who doesn't actually do martial arts
bleak hazel
I assume unlike in real life there's some measure of 'so fast can cut bullets in...
parry works on all ranged attacks by default
it is assumed
tulip folio
I assume unlike in real life there's some measure of 'so fast can cut bullets in...
Oh 100%. In exalted, sword can move fast enough to cut flamethrower stream in half.
buoyant summit
'oh no the guy with the bow can shoot me from half a mile away'
tulip folio
As exalted guns are by default handheld flamethrowers
Unless they're a rare artifact called a prayer piece
bleak hazel
Exalts also have Perfect Defences, or the legacy forms thereof
buoyant summit
'I am a peerless shapeshifting swordswoman who can cut the arrow in half and keep doing so as I advance'
bleak hazel
which allow you to parry, among other things, falling mountains and nuclear explosions
bleak hazel
my own personal record is an entire cannonball volley
next delta
Which makes it funny that you need it to block while unarmed without taking damage
bleak hazel
Serenity In Blood is a damn good charm
buoyant summit
which allow you to parry, among other things, falling mountains and nuclear expl...
bleak hazel
they're not quite starting character tech but you do get Block Unblockable and Dodge Undodgeable at Essence 2
on a level system that goes from 1-5
Sids, being freaks, have a variant that is instead "apply dodge against literally anything, no matter how implausible" - it doesn't make you any better at dodging, but it does allow you to dodge tax returns, social advances, rainstorms, guilt, a crush....
buoyant summit
If I decided to play a full moon Lunar would I still have access to lunar sorcery?
bleak hazel
yes
sorcery (and necromancy, which Lunars are equally good at) is available to any exalt
buoyant summit
Good I need some weird sorcery bullshit to pull out of my ass like Ganondorf can do despite being primarily a warlord or thief xD
bleak hazel
in fact every skill apart from the few highly specific caste-specific powers is available to every exalt, a battles sid can take any serenities charm etc.
tulip folio
I like necromancy on lunars a lot.
Everyone's gangster until you pull out Flesh Sloughing Wave.
bleak hazel
a nice low level sorcery spell summons a burning sword to guard your back
in case you want to do two swords while using one two-handed
although there are infinity things to do with sorcery and they're mostly not sword-themed
I am personally a fan of Death of Obsidian Butterflies, which is a volcanic glass grapeshot salvo
and the most basic offensive technique of a sorceror
because sorcery in Exalted is silly
it's all highly dramatic strategic-scale magic that requires a lot of aura farming, rather than "I am a D&D wizard"
tulip folio
Oh, a minor thing - You don't need to be a super good occultist to be a sorcerer. There are ritual spells which you don't generally roll for.
bleak hazel
you don't use sorcery to beat the Dawn Swordsman in a duel, you use it to summon thirty lesser demons to swarm his army so you can then engage him in a duel with your usual stuff
also that, yes
tulip folio
You can very much be 'X on and Also A Sorcerer'
It's not D&D where being a Sorcerer is your Entire Thing
bleak hazel
my most recent sid is the world's laziest sorceror, he was left a big occult tome by his past life-slash-father figure but kind of sucks at it
Occult 3, knows one spell, has to look the rest up every time
all his actual investment is into Craft, War and Sword
tulip folio
My Alch, Righteous Restoration of Industry is a necromancer but she won't generally just blast your ass.
What she will do is use her stored up sorcerous motes to first turn summon an army of zombies
And then use the fact she's a really good commander to beat your ass
buoyant summit
This is probably a stupid question but I wanna make sure
If I don't take dex as a primary attribute as a Lunar I can still fight reasonably well unarmored, yes?
prisma sun
I did come up with an entire combo where you get like 4 initiative tracks with your sword
bleak hazel
Lunar Dex charms include most of their combat stuff, so as a Full Moon I would recommend having it as caste and at 5
tulip folio
If I don't take dex as a primary attribute as a Lunar I can still fight reasonab...
I think lunars have some of the stat swaps that other exalts get to let them use strength or stamina for some stuff but...honestly, if you're a primary combatant I'd make dex a primary
It's a very important stat
buoyant summit
fair
tulip folio
How RiRi uses her Necromancy to beat people up.
bleak hazel
but primary/secondary/tertiary just decides how many dots you put into each category at chargen
so a Phys Secondary full moon can still have good dex/strength/whatever, they just might have had to buy some of it with XP later
prisma sun
buoyant summit
That is
prisma sun
This specific artifact and a melee sid can have like 4 initiative tracks
buoyant summit
just the moonlight greatsword but it can dance, huh
prisma sun
where the sword just keeps flying and returning to you
bleak hazel
Swordbeams are standard exalt tech if you want them
buoyant summit
oh yeah another thing, there's swordbeam bullshit a la said moonlight sword I assume
Cool
bleak hazel
not sure what the lunar one is called but everyone's got some kind of Hit A Guy Over There move
Blazing Solar Bolt, Unweaving Method, etc.
buoyant summit
current distro
velvet raft
Alchemicals: gun
bleak hazel
you will be very easy to read in social situations because Manip determines your defence against Read Intentions
but you might be fine with that
buoyant summit
She gives no fucks
She has no interest in lying or really restraining herself socially
bleak hazel
all good then
buoyant summit
She will make eyes at a hot lady, and if said hot lady is the king of heaven's wife
The King of Heaven shouldn't have had a hot wife for her to look at
bleak hazel
....so making eyes at Luna, then
buoyant summit
That
Hm
I will change the metaphor
I don't know that wanting to fuck the moon is kosher
XDDDDDD
bleak hazel
it's Luna, she almost certainly does not mind
or whatever pronoun Luna is using today
(Lunar is not married to Sol Invictus, but his 2e statblock did have a Ride skill specialty in "Luna")
tulip folio
Alchemicals: gun
Alch 'Use More Gun' is a very valid solution to most problems. Especially if you ever get the upgrade that turns you into a siege weapon.
bleak hazel
yeah all the incarnae have a zillion partners and kids
velvet raft
@tulip folio I think you might appreciate my shpiel here
prisma sun
You know even with Saturn someone is like "I gotta hit that"
buoyant summit
(Lunar is not married to Sol Invictus, but his 2e statblock did have a Ride skil...
I
bleak hazel
one of Saturn's godly kids is in charge of the Violet Bier, I think
bleak hazel
it's the mythic demigod game why wouldn't it be horny
velvet raft
This is like the dinosaurs thing Rhi XD
buoyant summit
it's Luna, she almost certainly does not mind
To embrace the vibe So you're saying there's a chance
velvet raft
Horny, dinosaurs, same thing in essence
bleak hazel
Sol Invictus is admittedly not your usual sun god
I have heard him described as "Aztec Lucifer"
tulip folio
<@248315253027373057> I think you might appreciate my shpiel here
Yep! That's a lot of my thoughts. Especially about how 'Malfeas' chief soul kinda thinks Malfeas is a whiny bitch who should take it on the chin' kinda...says not great things about Malfeas' situation with himself. Most people can only dream about that level of self-loathing.
bleak hazel
but he does have some Zeus vibes occasionally
velvet raft
I’m sure if you comb the books you will discover someone who is horny for dinosaurs
tulip folio
I'm sure the Dragon Kings are horny dinosaurs.
buoyant summit
No one answered my query 
buoyant summit
To embrace the vibe ~~So you're saying there's a chance~~
the struckthrough bit about Luna lmao
prisma sun
Yeah
buoyant summit
PFFFFFFFFFF
prisma sun
Luna's probably the second easiest lay of the Incarnae
because she looks away from the games occassionallyy.
quiet garnet
Apes riding wasps is really funny
Apes...and wasp...together STRONG
bleak hazel
she is also by far the least uptight apart from maybe Mercury
prisma sun
Venus
tulip folio
Oh yeah, there's very much a chance. Though if you go in sure you can pull it off there's a solid chance she brer rabbits you until you find your dick stuck in a bear trap and you don't even recall having a dick this morning.
As she's also a relentless trickster.
bleak hazel
Venus can be uptight, there's all the formal love stuff in there as well
Luna is totally unconstrainable
prisma sun
Luna might eat you though
tulip folio
Venus is terrifying. She has not only the power but the duty to Make Her Ships Real.
bleak hazel
Sidereal Socialize, in Venus' house, is probably the single most fucked up of all the Sidereal skill trees
and that includes Ride, the tree of "use and discard your allies and loved ones" and Integrity, the tree of "sacrifice anything, even your soul, for the mission"
tulip folio
Sid Socialize is very much 'nope, I'm writing the story now. Your input is not required'
It's about abusing and twisting emotions to make things flow how you direct them
bleak hazel
the capstone literally has you write the story down and magically burn it around your target's bones to lock in a Defining Tie of your choice
love is not skin deep, indeed
buoyant summit
So Luna is both feasible and a bad idea is what I'm hearing xD
tulip folio
Yep!
prisma sun
Fucking Gods ain't for cowards
bleak hazel
she Exalted you, she's probably pretty willing to watch your antics
fucking those gods, anyway
buoyant summit
Would a character with 4 Wits know it's a bad idea xD
bleak hazel
most gods are decidedly below your power level as an E1 exalted
"I am no mere god" is true of all exalts, even the tiny baby deebs
prisma sun
Baby deebs are in fact institutionally required to beat gods up
bleak hazel
Would a character with 4 Wits *know* it's a bad idea xD
depends how many dots of occult you've got
buoyant summit
most gods are decidedly below your power level as an E1 exalted
Can my wifesword be a God xD
prisma sun
Yes
bleak hazel
binding a god into a sword is well within the remit of an Exalted artisan
Sidereals can even do it as part of their Heavenly 007 License charm as a kind of community service thing
prisma sun
Gods will also just do that sometimes
bleak hazel
no smithing required
Five-Metal Tang, God of Swords, is probably a bit above your pay grade right now because he/she/it is essence 7, but there are many lesser martial gods who probably have sword forms, even if you aren't going to any length to turn other gods into weapons
I think Lunar Craft has a "wield what you kill" charm that would be suitable also
prisma sun
Isn't Five-Metal Tang the God of Daiklaves, not swords
bleak hazel
god of swords
coral wraith
swords period
bleak hazel
was once a sentient daiklaive though
prisma sun
Who's Daiklaves
bleak hazel
damned if I know, one of his subordinates
bleak hazel
the God of Spears wants his job as head of DivWeaps, the Division of Tools wants to take knives out from under his jurisdiction
I love heaven
prisma sun
And there's also a God of Cutting in there somewheree
buoyant summit
Can you have a weapon that shifts between a sword and spear?
Either as a Lunar or a general thing?
ruby geyser
probably, not sure you'd even need moonsilver for an artifact to do that tbh
bleak hazel
yeah that's easy
buoyant summit
Sword for fights, spear for hunts
prisma sun
You could probably just take that on to an artifact's passive
buoyant summit
is kind of the vibe
tulip folio
Honestly most artifacts could do that as a little passive effect. Wouldn't even be an evocation.
ruby geyser
considering there's a sorcery spell that gives you artifact claws you can swap out tags on if it's your control spell, and the difference between a sword and a spear is mostly just tags
bleak hazel
it costs exactly 2 motes to swap weapons reflexively with that one Sid charm, and that also gives you fast draw, so I would literally just make that a free artifact attunement bonus
tulip folio
I had one that swapped from Staff to Scythe because it's blade was a laser and it was a distiction between 'Blade on' and 'Blade Off'.
Alchs are fun
bleak hazel
happy to write it up in the correct exalted syntax if you like
I always like doing artifacts
tulip folio
Artifacts are great fun
bleak hazel
the only real difference for sword/spear is what martial arts they work with
and if you aren't going MA and are instead taking a bunch of evocations on your weapon they're good
buoyant summit
happy to write it up in the correct exalted syntax if you like
plox
bleak hazel
no point doing it now, make the build first and then tell me what you want from your artifact
but it's an easy one
ruby geyser
might even give each of your evocations different effects depending on if its a sword or a spear 
(though i wouldnt make them wholly different, probably just a change of numberical benefits towards offense/defense or something like that)
bleak hazel
you do have to be slightly careful with martial arts compatibility here because you can throw spears, and some MAs go a bit wonky if you can use thrown weapons with them
but that's easy to write around if necessary
tulip folio
Sids get remarkable use out of Unweaving Method being usable with 'any martial art with ranged weapons'
And the fact that Knives and Spears exist
bleak hazel
unweaving method as a storm of invisible flensing knives is pretty fun
tulip folio
A bit of a thing with artifacts: They're never just 'A magic sword'. They're also something else. They have themes to them beyond just being 'good at swording'. They're artifacts, they have history and personality to them.
So I'd also think about themes a bit there.
bleak hazel
get your Charcoal March of Spiders moves in there and unweave someone's soul
tulip folio
Whirling Snowflake (••••)
Starmetal Reaper Daiklaive
When the Lover's Deathknights came for the Yun Clan, they spread poison. They spoke of the emptiness of life and the death of love. How the god they had sworn themselves to was a coward, that her gentle snowflakes would shatter and flee in the face of pyreflame. They had good reason to believe such, for Whirling Snowflake was a very minor goddess, barely more than a local elemental. She helped ease the cold and dark of winter but was not a war goddess, she could not hope to oppose such a foe.
Despite that, however, she would not abandon her people. She brought avalanches crashing down upon their armies of the dead, drawing deeper and deeper on power she did not have until her body broke apart under her. Even the bleak sorcery of the Lover herself was forced backwards, the raw might of oblivion shattering on the rocks of her deep care for her people. However, she could not last forever.
The laughing deathknight brought her shattered form before her clan and spilled her icy blood in front of them. To his shock, rather than destroying their faith, it galvanized the clan. The Yun clan is no more but those that knew of them say that not a single one bowed before the Lover Clad In Raiment of Tears.
Whirling Snowflake is a hilt without a blade, seemingly useless. When drawn by an attuned wielder, a blade of ice and snow forms, as fragile as its namesake but refusing to break no matter the pressure brought upon it.
For example, the Reaper Daiklaive a sid I have sitting about to use has a backstory to it in that it was a god once. The god of the clan that she was born into.
tulip folio
Manipulation 1 looks classic Dawn/Full Moon. XD
buoyant summit
I mean this is a Full Moon, yes
bleak hazel
no this is very good
buoyant summit
Manipulation 1 looks classic Dawn/Full Moon. XD
She has animal sex appeal and little else idk what to tell you Iki XD
bleak hazel
my main quibbles are that you have no integrity, so you can be convinced to do anything by anyone without much difficulty
tulip folio
It's not absolutely powergamed optimized in the stats but they look very solid and she's going to be a beast in a brawl.
bleak hazel
I suggest losing 1-2 dots of Awareness and grabbing Integrity 3
buoyant summit
my main quibbles are that you have no integrity, so you can be convinced to do a...
One of her main character inspos' main mantras is 'I don't fight for good, I don't fight for evil, I just fight.'
That is a quote
bleak hazel
OK, you're all good then
buoyant summit
It's not absolutely powergamed optimized in the stats but they look very solid a...
You throw her at a fight or a courtesan you want on your side
xD
Or hunting I suppose
bleak hazel
just know that social is a fairly big system in this game so be unsurprised if the courtesan winds you around their little finger immediately
buoyant summit
l m a o
tulip folio
But hey, that's where 'character growth' comes into play sometimes.
Have your character write on your hand a few times 'you are being played'
buoyant summit
rejiggered to add more juice to her 'hunting' aspect
bleak hazel
two sids batting their new lunar back and forth like a game of tennis with Impose Nature and Presence-in-Absence
buoyant summit
just know that social is a fairly big system in this game so be unsurprised if t...
Or make sure the party has its own, hotter courtesan
bleak hazel
admittedly one of them was a Melee Apocalyptic so involving yourself with them was a tad riskier than usual
tulip folio
Right. She's not really led formations.
bleak hazel
oh yeah, I think Lunar sorcery requires int 3
but it also needs some thinky charms so you might not want to put the effort in to get it at chargen depending on your charm picks
tulip folio
It's one of those 'easy to pick up later' things
buoyant summit
Right. She's not really led formations.
Yeah at most she gets paid to be a general's ICBM gambit
bleak hazel
linguistics 3 is fun, I don't see that too often but it works here
buoyant summit
I literally took that as a joke
bleak hazel
since it's the written social stat and lets you write Ghengis Khan diplomatic missives
buoyant summit
Cunning Linguist
bleak hazel
of course
velvet raft
I have the chapter 1 draft PDF
bleak hazel
Linguistics is an underrated skill sometimes, the Solar tree is very boring but the Sidereal one has many fun tricks
like the capstone, Combat Polycule
buoyant summit
She uses it to write duel challenges containing litanies of martial and sexual-prowess-based insults alongside promises to fuck her opponents' wives and daughters
XD
idk lol
bleak hazel
very doable
remember the global empire that hates you is Imperial Chinarome, people are writing poetry and fighting honour duels
velvet raft
I may live-blog reading it
bleak hazel
sometimes writing speeches also
velvet raft
Starting here
Once, each was a Solar, their spirits as indomitable as the Unconquered Sun — now, transformed by the seething, catalytic Essence of Hell itself, they are something else entirely.
Naw man they’ve still got ability-based charms and a supernal ability /j
velvet raft
They are promising many new Solar Circle spells in the relevant chapter
tulip folio
That's...I mean, that's okay but to be frank - I don't super care about solar circle spells. I care about what they get sorcery-wise before essence 5 :p
As that's 95%+ of the game
tulip folio
It's like corebook solars. Who are both the best and by far the worst sorcerers in the game.
velvet raft
But it shows commitment to sorcery as an Infernal thing, at least?
tulip folio
Where they get basicly no support for sorcery except 'can one day, in theory, get solar circle sorcery'. XD
tulip folio
But it shows commitment to sorcery as an Infernal thing, at least?
Oh yeah, I just hope the spells are a bit more spread out.
velvet raft
Exaltation is still delivered by a demon, according to the glossary
Chrysalis is a go :D
Also some references to sky wars in Hell
Admittedly rad
Looks like akuma have been renamed warlocks
And probably changed somewhat
Feels like a very D&D reflavoring tbh
tulip folio
I'll admit, not a huge fan of that renaming, as 'warlocks' was the general term for infernal exalted overall.
So it's a bit of a weird 'I know that term but it's being used for the wrong thing' feeling.
If that remotely makes sense?
velvet raft
For inspirations they cite Medea, Count of Monte Cristo, the obligatory Tanith Lee book Night’s Master, The Traitor Baru Cormorant, and …
Paradise Lost, by John Milton: Milton’s Satan is the ur-Infernal, an epic antihero driven to take his revenge on an all-powerful God. While the Christian Hell has little in common with Malfeas, Satan’s hubris, hatred, and charismatic villainy loom large among the Infernals’ inspirations.
That’s either a very good sign or a very bad one
Well, not a very bad one
buoyant summit
Linguistics is an underrated skill sometimes, the Solar tree is very boring but ...
I just realized I could also use Linguist to write illicit affair correspondence
velvet raft
A “well, I already knew the direction this was going” one
mighty rover
For inspirations they cite Medea, Count of Monte Cristo, the obligatory Tanith L...
and batman