Exalted

[fierce star]

Not RAW :D

also I may be reworking this character because the GM is saying he thought that you had to use the MA you were using a charm for

so like my Toad is 3, if I use a Toad MA charm I have to use Toad unless I use White Veil with it (which is at 5)

[winged swallow]

aight but there literally will be secret techniques in like

sid supplement

[fierce star]

whereas I thought you always got to use your highest MA for your dice pools generally speaking

it's how I've always seen it run

[velvet raft]

That’s wrong

Like PAOC says it’s possible to add a soulsteel charm of some sort

And maybe an adamant charm

[tulip folio]

I refuse to believe that auntie 'I know literally every martial art' from the Sid book doesn't know tricks for most martial arts that most masters don't even know exist. XD

[fierce star]

I've basically countered with 'okay, so I just always use Excellent Abyssal White Veil for one mote on every attack, then'

since excellencies are MA charms

but if the GM rules against it I'm going to have to rework things a good bit because it makes mixing more than like, two MAs way too much of an XP sink

[velvet raft]

She just builds new SMAs :P

[fierce star]

if you need toh ave all of them at max to be functional

[tulip folio]

Alchemical-Unique Charms
The Jadeborn do not have all the capabilities of their Alchemical Kin. As such, they may not learn the following Charms: Vat Surrogate Reweaving System, Colossus-Class Upgrade Installation, Integrated Artifact Transmogrifier, Transcendent Multimodal Artifact Matrix, Programming Language Eloquence, Clarified Data Assimilator, Infinite Clarity Consciousness Simulation

Altered Charms: Empathy Simulation Engine affects gaining and learning Divergence, instead of Clarity. Alter Ego Dissimulation Cortex, Embedded Armor Plating, Hierarchical Dogma Lock, Clockwork Companion Template substitute a day of meditation with the Rite of Reconfiguration.

In other news - Going through the entire alch book for 'these charms shouldn't exist for jadeborn' took a while. XD

[velvet raft]

Your ST is absolutely mistaken

It’s their game but

[fierce star]

If you could point out the rules text in a book, faq or errata that I could show to him?

[velvet raft]

As long as your weapon or lack thereof is compatible, you can mix styles

Gimme a minute

[fierce star]

there's this but it's explicitly for using charms that are between two styles

[velvet raft]

This means you can make a Toad Punch with Rat charms

For the same reason you can punch with toad while not using any charms at all

[tulip folio]

Checks the Chaos Seer Charms for conversion to 3e Jadeborn

NOPE, CAN'T USE THESE.

[fierce star]

welll, I've presented it to the GM so i can only hope

[tulip folio]

I'm not giving guys who already have a full excellency the 3e Sidereal Excellency too

[fierce star]

if the Gm rules more strictly I'll be dropping MAs and probably just be a generic assassination missile setup in combat. Maybe use abyssal thrown.

[winged swallow]

abyssal thrown fucken slaps tbh

genuinely juiced

[tulip folio]

Solar thrown always weirded me out by being the only solar charmset with like...a very clearly defined identity

Brawl and Melee are very just 'do the thing, good'

While thrown is 'Be A Ninja'

[velvet raft]

Brawl has some amount of mechanical identity, at least

[wise ocean]

thrown feels like it was written by the one designer who just really wanted to do night caste shinobi

[fierce star]

oh yeah no abyssal thrown is great

[velvet raft]

I like Brawl’s Weird Onslaught Bullshit

[winged swallow]

i'm impressed because it's actually not crazy hard to like... create good flavor with something that's like "divine levels of skill"

[fierce star]

I was just looking forward to being more toxic than a DOTA 2 guild

[winged swallow]

"study the world and its history, and then work from first principles to recreate the wyld-shaping that forged the world" is how i'm reflavoring Wyld-Shaping Technique presently, and like... that's tight as fuck?

[tulip folio]

...huh, that's a weird 2e fact I'd not realized until I started this project.

Jadeborn souls are in that 'no, it's actually indestructible indestructable, even if you toss it into oblivion' list alongside exaltations.

[tulip folio]

I kinda really want to do a Solar or Sidereal Cartographer one day. Someone who's so good at it that the world shifts to line up with the maps they draw, rather than the other way around.

[velvet raft]

In our Nobilis game one of the high Aspect characters improved the Philly roads by picking them up and rearranging them

[winged swallow]

lol

y'know i kinda do like each Charm Tree having like...

An Archetype

[velvet raft]

At least one

[winged swallow]

like

[velvet raft]

But yes, they should have identity

[winged swallow]

Abyssal Trees are based on the Deathlords and shit

Thrown stems from the Black Heron

Resistance draws on the First and Forgotten Lion

[velvet raft]

Sid trees are similar

Related to constellations

[tulip folio]

...okay, yeah. I'm going to just scrap the entire Chaos Pattern charmset for this project as too much of this is 'Hello, I am Literally 3e Sidereal Charms' and I don't feel comfortable writing 'Oh yeah, you can just steal Unweaving Method and the Sid Excellency' becuase I know what the concept of 'role protection' and 'game balance' is. XD

[winged swallow]

the only problem is like

what do i source for the archetypes

or even who

[velvet raft]

I think they can be less specific than Abyssal trees

[winged swallow]

well yeah but

even so

gotta actually have archetypes to use

[velvet raft]

To some degree you might be able to draw on the UCS?

[fierce star]

Solar Larceny, War, and Resistance are all based on Conan the Barbarian

(this is roughly 70% shitpost0

[winged swallow]

yeah i guess but like

the whole exaltation is

based on him

[velvet raft]

Yeah

I dunno

[winged swallow]

and "This is the Aspect of The Unconquered Sun's Archery Prowess!" doesn't really inform anything

this is not me shitting on you or anything, an' i hope it doesn't come across as that

[velvet raft]

I’m just envisioning like “how the sun throws his spear”

No I hear you

[fierce star]

also do you mean like

[prisma sun]

I don't think that'd help Philly tbh

[fierce star]

in universe archetypes or ore genreal ones?

[prisma sun]

Needs stronger magic

[velvet raft]

We did a bunch of miracles to beautify Philly

It was a whole storyline

[prisma sun]

All ruined by one Eagles game

[winged swallow]

well, here's the problem. what in-universe archetypes or past solar heroes are really available to draw on

but also

out-of-universe ones might not fit amazingly well?

[prisma sun]

The Mosiac Reality Has Fractured

Go Birds

[tulip folio]

I think I might make Void Seer a sorcerous initiation instead of a charmset.

[fierce star]

makes sense, iki

[velvet raft]

My Power of Vacuum created a massive 6-hour aurora over the whole Eastern seaboard

Shenanigans were involved

[fierce star]

I think out of universe ones can fit well enough, considering that Exalted, of course, is not a vacuum and is built up on previous fictions

[winged swallow]

misc suggested Hou Yi for archery once

[bleak hazel]

sun boy does have his four artifacts themed after the four virtues, so you could just split the trees four ways vibes-wise and then steal whatever other gimmicks you want and file the serial numbers off

[fierce star]

Conan could actually work as an example of... well, quite a few attributes

The Grey Mouser woudl be an excellent inspiration for larceny solars I feel like

[velvet raft]

Hm, okay, what about gods in proximity to the UCS

[winged swallow]

Five Days Darkness, uhhhh

[velvet raft]

Doesn’t he have a charioteer?

[tulip folio]

Sorcerous Initiation: Void Seer

To become a void seer is to attempt to hold the entirety of creation within one’s mind. Much like attempting to force an entire ocean into a bottle, the container will shatter. But from those shards of sanity grow an intuitive wisdom, an ability to reach out and pull the strings of reality together into shapes designed long ago but unseen by any other. The most common Void Seers are those of the Mountain Folk, the entirety of the loom of fate spinning within minds no longer able to handle it. However, some mortals have achieved a similar blind idiot godhood through deadly amounts of intoxicants, the madness of the wyld of becoming the victim of spells that unravel time itself.

This read okay?

[winged swallow]

pretty sure the whole "what is the daystar" thing is left intentionally vague in 3e

[bleak hazel]

the Charioteer of the Daystar is one of the major gods written up in Sidbook

[winged swallow]

oh word?

[bleak hazel]

the Daystar remains unspecified

[fierce star]

blind idiot godhood

hell yeah

[bleak hazel]

very probably an actual chariot

Sid book also has chariot rules, they're quite good

[tulip folio]

Yeah, the 'is it actually a spaceship' part went unspecified.

[winged swallow]

wheremst

[bleak hazel]

page 40

[winged swallow]

aha

i was looking at heavenly personages

[next delta]

Is the Moon in Exalted Luna or something else?

[fierce star]

Luna is the goddess of the moon but she is probably not the actual moon itself, maybe

much like how the UCS is probably not the actual sun, probably

[bleak hazel]

said charioteer of the daystar is now in charge of making sure Creation's Sun continues on its proper path

so he's definitely not unless she is wheeling him around in a chair at the Games of Divinity

[next delta]

Maybe the chariot is a complicated set of mirrors that reflects the Unconqurered Sun into creation to make the daystar

[velvet raft]

I like Misc’s idea of aligning them to his virtues, as well

[winged swallow]

luna they/them nowadays, boss

[winged swallow]

well i was already bringin’ in the virtues

but like

gotta have somethin’ more ya know

[fierce star]

I was under the impression luna's pronouns changed regularly (with the phases of the moon even) so I tend to use whatever hits my keys first for them

[winged swallow]

to inform how those virtues come through

[fierce star]

god damnit fingers stop putting that r there

[tulip folio]

I had fun with that. I wanted something with a bit more bite than just 'You're CRAAAZZZYYY AND THEREFORE EVIL', as that's a bit Ooof as someone neurodivergent myself and also just not interesting

[winged swallow]

maybe i should just make a fucken survey for each tree

[bleak hazel]

Solar stuff should be fairly straightforward, I don't think you really need to imitate specific guys

[winged swallow]

that might be easier

[bleak hazel]

for each ability

abyssal trees are like deathlords and infernal trees are presumably like yozi, but that is for very specific reasons

[velvet raft]

Just making some shit up in the fashion of Sid constellations to give some minor identity could be fine

[winged swallow]

yes but if it’s too straightforward it becomes a bit boring, and boring is what i’m tryin’ to fix

and also The Balance

but that’s a joint effort

[velvet raft]

Maybe like, phrased as Gods The UCS Taught/Effected

[winged swallow]

i’m not saying it has to be Crazy Yozi/Deathlord-esque Horseshit

[velvet raft]

“Things the UCS taught the god of swords” or something

I’m very tired and spitballing

[bleak hazel]

Deebs get by fine with five different vibes for charms and Lunars have basically-one, so surely four for the virtues and then the spear/shield/cornucopia/whatever the last one is should be fine

[winged swallow]

spitballing still useful

[fierce star]

okay the core book still uses she/her for luna, let me open up lunars... lunars uses they/them mostly it looks like but also refers to luna as a goddess...

[bleak hazel]

at the very least, a lot of the basic charms are going to be "basically what they are now but with less broken shit" because they're the baseline effects for the whole game

so I think you're fine with the sun's panoply and maybe a little bit of caste-themed stuff

[velvet raft]

Luna is genderfluid but usually feminine

[winged swallow]

yes, that much i’ve asserted with backporting the abyssal charms that are just number boosters

[velvet raft]

Okay so if it’s the four artifacts

We have 25 abilities

Maybe Brawl is none of the four Because Reasons or some shit

[tulip folio]

Maybe rather than in-universe people, have them inspired by mythological characters? Like Solar Athletics could be Hercules inspired with a 'do massive amounts of physical labor' stuff in there alongside the moving places.

[fierce star]

Does Luna have a writeup in sidereals? probably can't hurt to check...

[velvet raft]

I don’t think so

[prisma sun]

Hercules, Achilles, Kongming, Goku

[bleak hazel]

probably lines up most easily if you do five categories, one for each virtue and then Neutral

[winged swallow]

i’ve been looking more to the Crucible of Legend Virtues

admittedly

but i suppose we can cleave more firmly to The Old Four

[velvet raft]

5 times 5 is an old school Exalted vibe

[bleak hazel]

bonus numerology points if you do five abilities with minor vibes of each Caste and then within each caste have one of each virtue and one neutral

the four virtues are actually still mechanised for exactly one splat - each Sid Essence Replenishment charm is themed around one

because they always used to love their virtue channels

[fierce star]

okay luna doesn't have a writeup in sidereals, I checked

so core is she/her, lunars is they/them but also refers to luna as a goddess and specifies that luna appears as any mix of or absense of genders as is necessary

[bleak hazel]

so now they have Heroic/Slick/Stern/Compassionate Essence Replenishment

[fierce star]

I would usually just change up whatever gender I used to refer to luna at any given time because I thought that was appropriate and it amused me/is similar to my own experience of gender but if it seems to be disrespectful I can stop?

[winged swallow]

it’s fine if you’re mixing it up, i’m just used to some people like

[velvet raft]

My hot take is put Melee and/or Archery in Temperance

[winged swallow]

Not Doing That

[bleak hazel]

which apparently used to stack until a playtester showed up with a Sid that had three of the damn things and as such could squeeze functionally infinite motes out of Black Claw

[prisma sun]

I also think you should make charms based solely on shit people did in romance of the 3 kingdoms

[winged swallow]

lol

[bleak hazel]

I think Archery gets Temperance

because Sid Melee is Temperance and I like changing it up

[winged swallow]

<- knows nothing abt RotTK

[prisma sun]

Zhang Fei scared dudes so hard one died

[tulip folio]

ID, stop panicking. That's fine.

[velvet raft]

Isn’t Temperance related to the shield, though?

Shield feels like it should be melee

[bleak hazel]

and? he has a shield, a spear and no ranged weapons

this is going to look cluttered either way

[fierce star]

apologies

[velvet raft]

Spears are ranged >_>

[bleak hazel]

I would go Brawl -> Valour, Archery -> Temperance, Melee -> Conviction, Thrown -> Compassion personally

[fierce star]

I'll let people get back to the conversation at hand, lol

[velvet raft]

I would not give Thrown to compassion

[prisma sun]

Also yes, Luna explicitly has a changing and even subjective gender presentation

[velvet raft]

Otherwise that makes sense

[prisma sun]

Gaia and Sol and the Maidens all have set genders though

[bleak hazel]

I suppose you could shunt Compassion over to War and then leave Thrown neutral

but I'm going purely on vibes here

[prisma sun]

Everyone in the Jade Pleasure Dome canonically loves women

Its a prerequisite

[winged swallow]

Melee Conviction good, yes

[prisma sun]

Compassion being War is pretty powerful

[winged swallow]

hmm yeah

[prisma sun]

Like thematically

[winged swallow]

it’s an interesting statement

[velvet raft]

I like that

[prisma sun]

I wish to make my troops invincible so I will never feel the pain of loss

[velvet raft]

bureaucracy valor

[winged swallow]

you need the valor to dare all this paperwork

[bleak hazel]

Bureaucracy should be one of the Solar trees most focused around me-me-me-I-am-the-godking-here, so Valour works

[winged swallow]

that was my thoughts exactly lol

[bleak hazel]

Solaroid bureaucracy being hard focused on creating incredibly overpowered orgs with a bus factor of like 0.2 is something I very much like about it

[fierce star]

what's a bus factor?

[bleak hazel]

maximum number of people in your group who can be hit by a bus before everything breaks due to lack of core competencies

[fierce star]

also, if I may make a suggestion: Id on't feel like Medicine should be Compassion if we're linking solar charms to the four virtues.

... that's amazing, misc

[bleak hazel]

normally it doesn't go below 1 but somewhere, an Abyssal has had a bucket of water thrown over them by a water immaculate, which uncommitted their 25 motes spent on Iron Tyrant Reign

[winged swallow]

oh?

i’m listenin’

[velvet raft]

Not everything should play against type

[fierce star]

as someone who works in medicine, while compassion is... like, it's a major part of why people go into medicine, but compassion is not nearly enough to stay in this job

if all I had going for me was compassion, i would have quit long ago. Long hours, lack of appreciation, watching people wither and die quickly or slowly? You actually have to be a little hardened to stick in the job.

[velvet raft]

I could see Medicine as Valor

[fierce star]

Valor or conviction would be my calls for it

[winged swallow]

duly noted

conviction medicine goes kinda hard

[fierce star]

I'd lean conviction, but that's likely due to personal experience; Valor implies a level of heroism I do not personally feel. I'm not brave, I'm just doing my job.

[winged swallow]

yeah im feeling conviction more too

[velvet raft]

I’m not sure grim necessity fits the way the UCS would engage with medicine

[fierce star]

it's not even, like, grim necessity here. It's just at the end of the day I got into this job to help people, but if I wasn't able to harden myself against some of the suffering I see every day I work, I wouldn't still be able to help people, if that makes sense?

[bleak hazel]

I would go Conviction

[winged swallow]

i don’t think grim necessity was the implication

[fierce star]

I feel like anything the UCS does, all the virutes owuld play into it, but there is one that wins out

compassion gets you into medicine, conviction keeps you there

[bleak hazel]

hang on, how did they previously split all the abilities by caste before they fixed the Dawn problem

I just want to see if we can play sudoku here

[fierce star]

five abilities per caste, misc

and that's all you got

[winged swallow]

huh

[bleak hazel]

yeah, I know, I just need to check which ones were which

because it would appeal to me on a pointlessly petty aesthetic level if we could get one of each virtue and one neutral into each caste

hang on I'll write it out

[velvet raft]

Presence Performance Resistance Survival Integrity for Zenith

Lore Occult Craft Investigation Medicine for Twilight

Athletics Awareness Dodge Stealth Larceny for Night

[velvet raft]

Yes but I was doing them from memory :P

[fierce star]

oh

apologies, i was just trying to be helpful lol

[bleak hazel]

DAWN:
Archery (Temperance)
Brawl/MA (Valour)
Melee (Conviction)
Thrown (Neutral)
War (Compassion)

ZENITH:
Presence (Valour)
Performance (Temperance)
Resistance (Conviction)
Survival (Compassion)
Integrity (Neutral)

TWILIGHT:
Lore (Neutral)
Occult (Temperance)
Craft (Valour)
Investigation (Compassion)
Medicine (Conviction)

NIGHT:
Athletics (Conviction)
Awareness (Compassion)
Dodge (Neutral)
Larceny (Temperance)
Stealth (Valour)

ECLIPSE:
Bureaucracy (Valour)
Linguistics (Temperance)
Ride (Compassion)
Sail (Conviction)
Socialize (Neutral)

if this produces strange assignments I will throw this scheme away immediately but I do want to see if I could figure it out

Ride Compassion, Sail Conviction, Linguistics Temperance, Socialize neutral?

[velvet raft]

That tracks

[bleak hazel]

zenith is a hard one because they're basically the Conviction Caste

[velvet raft]

Integrity is Temperance

That seems easy

[bleak hazel]

resistance obvs Conviction

[velvet raft]

Resistance for Conv-

Yeah

[bleak hazel]

Survival compassion, for the beastmaster stuff?

and I'd put Presence as an obvious Valour

[velvet raft]

I say Survival for Valour

Presence Neutral, Performance Compassion

[winged swallow]

see

my opinion on Integrity is that it's either Neutral or a mix of all of em because well

[prisma sun]

I like compassion survival

[bleak hazel]

I would have Integrity Neutral

[prisma sun]

Because it's about your little guy

[winged swallow]

it's your ability to stand strong against things that would change you

[bleak hazel]

doesn't matter what your integritying

[winged swallow]

i'll probably have some virtue-themed charms within the integrity tree tbh

[bleak hazel]

I'm just going to assign my best guess at vibes and then people can argue with me

[tulip folio]

Conviction Sail: “...to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.”

[winged swallow]

Real actually

[bleak hazel]

I think Sail is an easy Conviction yeah

proposal for a second counterintuitive one

Larceny Temperance

[prisma sun]

Conviction sail is remaining steadfast against the storm

Ez

[tulip folio]

Hold your ship together will sheer willpower. Lasts until you leave the boat, so if it's still destroyed it will fall apart at the end of the journey.

[bleak hazel]

OK, stuck on Nights

[tulip folio]

What's your current thoughts?

[bleak hazel]

larceny temperance, because it's funny

[velvet raft]

Stealth for Valor

[bleak hazel]

not Athletics?

althetics is the most straight up hero boy one there, I think

[velvet raft]

Stealth places you in immediate danger against great odds

[tulip folio]

Compassion Awareness: Awareness is used not just for spotting ambushes but spotting oportunities to intervene/things in need.

[winged swallow]

weirdly i like athletics temperance

[bleak hazel]

compassion awareness is a good one

[velvet raft]

I like Athletics Conviction for like … powering through

[bleak hazel]

yeah, I'd go with athletics Conviction

especially with the classic solar inspirations

[velvet raft]

Pushing oneself beyond

[bleak hazel]

samson etc.

I would like to go Larceny Temperance Dodge Neutral just for the fun idea of temperance-themed theft

just enough (that they don't notice)

we're assigning 2e virtues to 2e ability spreads, what is this, 2012?

[tulip folio]

Unironically: A big part of being good at stealing shit is knowing when to stop taking, so you don't get caught.

Idiots get greedy, go too far and lose everything.

[bleak hazel]

and that leaves Dodge as neutral

which seems fair

Solar Larceny also has a bit of gambling in there

so Temperance fits

[velvet raft]

Larceny is also often social in scope

[fierce star]

Idiots also forget if they've silenced their pistol on day three of a long heist... :P

[velvet raft]

It’s not just pocket-picking

[bleak hazel]

was someone playing Payday

[fierce star]

in iki's defense it was like 4 AM for him at the time and we'd been playing for like eight hours at that point or something stupid, in our yougner days when such things were normalized

[bleak hazel]

I think it took me something like three real-life days to beat Framing Frame DSOD, I sympathise

man Payday was fun, I could go for some Payday 2 one of these days

[tulip folio]

I did that once

XD

[fierce star]

and you'll never live it down

mostlyb ecause it's hilarious

(hot take payday gang is a great way to handle solar heistlords as a campaign concept)

[bleak hazel]

That crossover they did where they put John Wick in Payday both worked perfectly and made the Payday universe make way more sense

why are there infinite respawning cops who can only hold you for thirty seconds? this is John Wick, there are always more goons and they're easily bribed

why are you invincible badasses with bulletproof suits? you have John Wick's tailor

why is money so fake that you will freely burn millions on a phone call? you pay for all the important stuff in continental doubloons

anyway, Exalted

[velvet raft]

Fuckin dubloons

[bleak hazel]

where money is not fake but might as well be for some people, because Resources is funny

[prisma sun]

I am wondering how much of a murderer to make my Abyssal

Does it ruin the vibe if his atrocities are too Dire

[fierce star]

you're an abyssal

just don't make the other players uncomfortable

[prisma sun]

I mean there are no other players

This is blorbo creation

[bleak hazel]

I feel you're allowed to do a good amount of atrocity

you have a wide selection of charms for throngling people and turning them into toys

[prisma sun]

I mean yeah Waking Smiths thing is that he'll turn an entire village into a corpse tower but only if asked

Or told

And he'd probably not do the same if politely asked not to and given an alternative

[bleak hazel]

my guy is a strange amoral trade baron but the only reason he's not condensing the populations of villages he conquers into thousand-corpse goliaths is becuase a) most of them are ghosts, who don't condense well due to not being meat and b) his allies in the form of Shark Lunar, Athens Lunar and Khan Lunar would be mad at him

being able to condense some villages would make his life much easier

[prisma sun]

A lot of condensing villages into things

I'm finding

Sorta the go-to

[bleak hazel]

necromancy is just really big on meat

Crimson also has so many downtime charms he practically needs a WoW rotation so it's not like he's running out of things to do

[velvet raft]

I am suddenly remembering the mole of moles from What If?

[bleak hazel]

needs to bathe in blood for a shaping ritual, carve some effigies for another shaping ritual, summon merits with Shade-Summoning Conscription, craft his artifacts, run his auction and write charming letters to the mortal queen across the strait who doesn't like him very much, for funsies

thousand-corpse goliaths are a sometimes food

although if he had enough resources to spam them he absolutely would be building one a fortnight

[prisma sun]

I also have decided his Lunar mate spotted him in their chance meeting but he wasn't paying attention and didn't notice her

Resulting in her assured the immortal romance is resumed and him still not knowing what the Bond is

Because no one's told him

I'm putting these two in a cultivation romcom

[bleak hazel]

come to Crimson Rain's cultivation auctions

a guy on the Exalted discord even gave me a list of a couple of hundred Exalted magical ingredients and their functions so I can put together an authentic docket of stuff for protagonists to try to steal

[fierce star]

the best part about playing loyalist abyssals is doing Real Villian Shit

[bleak hazel]

hopefully the number of xianxia protags who are unreasonably rich and willing to give me a huge cut to get their Heaven-and-Earth Sapling outweighs the number who will just randomly explode a few dozen young masters to steal it

[prisma sun]

I should join the exalted discord

I do think about it a ton

[winged swallow]

it's a decent place to ask questions

[bleak hazel]

it's mostly chill, I've had no trouble there myself

I love that in Exalted I can play Mysterious Vizier or Guy Who Runs Cultivation Infrastructure and it actually has narrative weight

[fierce star]

... jesus foetid earth miasma is mean

[bleak hazel]

I always feel bad when someone in one of these stories has put together this giant edifice of commerce to generate wealth with which to produce a lineage of high quality sword perverts and it just casually gets deleted on the way past

I want to see a story about evil cultivator merchants, those sound fun

[fierce star]

lol

[bleak hazel]

luckily with Abyssals I can just play one

[winged swallow]

i need infernals like i need air

i need my freaks

i have my goths, but i need my rockstar princes of hell

[bleak hazel]

I don't think I could actually do Infernal Crimson, he's too cold-blooded and his gimmick depends too much on exactly how the Underworld works

I should come up with an Infernal

[winged swallow]

i've got infernal harrow and infernal irilae in the works

[bleak hazel]

hmm

are you familiar with my Icons

Infernal Rendell might be a good time

[winged swallow]

vaguely

[bleak hazel]

malfeas union man

[bleak hazel]

well, yeah, but I read about that stuff in real life, I want to get weird with it

the Realm apparently has a stock market, I bet that gets pretty wild

[prisma sun]

"Ragara Tozad is guilty of insider trading and I am about to kick his fucking ass"

[bleak hazel]

if it had a cool name I'd make an Exigent of the [name of stock market]

but I believe it's unspecified

[winged swallow]

gonna b real

[prisma sun]

Exigent of Invested Wealth

[tulip folio]

Loviatar was my main infernal and she was...all sorts of 'not doing well mentally'.

A particularly bright slave girl, who was taken in to be trained as a potential sorcerer for a noble house. She had one chance to earn a better life for herself, to pass the test of Fear (Back when 2e Sorcery forced your character to confront and overcome their greatest fear) and to become a Sorcerer and prove herself one of the best minds of her generation despite her background.

She entered the test of fear...and found herself being told that she'd failed it. That she was being sent back to the laborer slaves, likely sent to a mine. And then she...failed the test genuinely by being unable to stand up for herself against idea, to push back against her fear. She broke down, things went red and she awoke to find herself having smashed in the skull of the sorcerer trainer, the only person there that had ever treated her with respect and compassion, in blind fear and rage.

And then a demon came with an offer for her.

She played up being a big bassass mage and sorcerer, complete with Too Many Titles (Master of Nightmares, Keeper of Celestial Flame, Sorcerer, Witch Queen, Chaos Incarnate) to hide the fact that she knows the time she'd had a chance to actually become one, she'd fucked it up.

[winged swallow]

if someone brought exigent of the stock market to my table

[prisma sun]

you work like Kiryu in Yakuza 0

[winged swallow]

i'd leap over it to strangle em

[bleak hazel]

adding [resources] non-charm parry to block that

[fierce star]

I love this idea

[bleak hazel]

but you know that somewhere Ragara Banana is becoming a rogue trader on a scale never before seen and developing a spectacular dreamstone habit to cope with the stress

[fierce star]

I want to see this exigent

[bleak hazel]

on the run through the Imperial City, he is hunted down by the tremendously capable detective Sesus Amogus

[prisma sun]

Exigent Of That Specific Guy's Cocaine Addiction

[bleak hazel]

(the fact that both of those are valid Dynast names is one of the most important things I took from the Exalted discord)

[winged swallow]

your numbers are fucken fake

[tulip folio]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10xcIxHzHUrjSOh37l1d9eSp5OjYjZKRJ8qxGqvgluOo/edit?usp=sharing This is dangerously close to functional (The big thing that still needs to get done is Caste Abilities). It's a quick and dirty hack to avoid inventing a Whole New Charmset but it should work pretty well.

[bleak hazel]

can't hear you through all this jade that I'm using to build dragon-line channels and power my giant manse with BANK written on the front

[prisma sun]

I activate Disheveled Knock-Off Accusation
Your Jordans Are Fake

[bleak hazel]

Ragara Banana and his brother in the Scavenger Lands, Ragara Caravan

[winged swallow]

Freedom Lets Go, i no longer care about the authenticity of my Jordans

[prisma sun]

Ah, but you see, I have activated Drip Of Crystal Clearing that gives you the Major Intimacy "Be fresh as fuck"

[wise ocean]

Sid ability: Retroactively make my Jordans real

[winged swallow]

fucking sidereals

[bleak hazel]

I would have to give this Exigent a pretty decent anima copying charm purely so that I could activate Like A Dragon: Infinite Wealth

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-paying-pay-buy-gif-19411145

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza0-complete-domination-yakuza0complete-domination-domination-kazumu-kiryu-gif-17384620

[bleak hazel]

I think there's some themes here, although I'd need to write up the exigent's god first because their personal vibes tend to put a twist on it

[tulip folio]

'+1 willpower to resist my social action if you're resources 2 or less'

[prisma sun]

Deaf Ear To The Broke Bitch

[wise ocean]

Money Speaking Technique

[bleak hazel]

the obvious route is "hard-charging inspector and regulator" because that's what gods do anyway

but you also want a vein of charms where you just slam down All This Money

possibly scope for a fun mechanic where your rating in the resource merit is instead a kind of mana bar that you run down to use powerful effects and build up again as you go

fully money-is-fake, you don't even have Resources in the normal way

[bleak hazel]

Your Bleak Expiation equivalent mentions Abyssals once, and the submodule for the countermagic initiation is on both of them, which might be unnecessary. Might also want to specify that their charms use the normal costs for Attribute Exalts by including the usual table, since just removing charm slots without changing the XP cost table means you have half price charms.

[tulip folio]

Whoops, yeah. I'll grab and replicate the Lunar Table as 'use this'

As the intent is that relative to Alchemicals they don't have the 'I can have like 2-3 loadouts' aspect.

And their Great Curse Equivelent is a lot meaner than the absolutely pillowfisted clarity

I'll also do up a couple of different submodules for the Celestial thing as I didn't mean that to be a copy-paste.

Oddly enough: In 2e they had 'can't do sorcery of any sort' then...their natural charmset replicated a couple of spells.

So I might give them a submodule for celestial that is 'You get Summon elemental, ignoring your usual restriction of not being able to cast spells'

As their 2e charmset gave them 'Summon Elemental: It's a Charm this time!'

[tulip folio]

Thanks for that btw.

[tulip folio]

What's people's thoughts on the Wings mutation? It looks fun but those are some pretty hefty penalties to 'doing something while flying' for something that pricy.

[errant knot]

I think the penalty for doing something in the air is kind of ridiculous

The disguise penalty I get but given how restrictive the positives of wings are already, I'd at least want it reduced

Or ignored if stunted properly

[tulip folio]

I can see how they wanted it to not be 'hover in the air, firing arrows' but also: It's a very expensive mutation when you factor in you can't really use it for that purpose. XD

[errant knot]

Yeah like

There's already several charms that make nearly-flying easy as pie

None of them come with "also you can't disguise yourself and can't do shit in the air"

[tulip folio]

I think my general thing is I'd remove the penalty and just go 'Look, any foe capable of using essense is going to be able to Stunt Their Way To You, so you can't play keepaway against other exalts super well'.

[errant knot]

Yeah

For 4 dots you get the ability to buy into martial arts. It should be more useful than that

And sure, avoiding falling damage is nice but if that's all you can use it for, that's not 5 dots nice

[tulip folio]

Hmm...debating what to do with Jadeborn Martial Arts. Being pulled in a few directions:
A) Their 2e version couldn't get martial arts. At all. Not even terrestrial. That's...kinda boring.
2) Being Attribute-based, they really would like martial arts as an option as it mixes well with their charms.
iii) Their old charmset included elements of Prismatic Arrangement of Creation, a Sidereal Martial Art despite lacking any other martial arts.
Δ) This is a Variant Alchemical and they've already lost more than they've gained, I worry about this ending up 'well this looks like a miserable to play variant' if I take away martial arts, something Alchs really like.

[coral wraith]

I feel like the obvious direction is to just keep Martial Arts as they are for base Alchemicals. This is 3e, you can change lore stuff, that's fine

[tulip folio]

Yeah, I think that's my default unless I get some weird ideas that are fitting. Keep It Simple.

[errant knot]

Could keep it to one martial art per martial art access charm whose name I forget?

Or maybe 2 with an enhancement?

[coral wraith]

that's still a nerf

[tulip folio]

In other things: As someone who's not played 3e DB, how do they gain aura? I'm somehow missing that.

[coral wraith]

when you hit bonfire your anima flux turns on

[tulip folio]

Oh, I mean the like 'if you're in Wood Aura' etc. Does that take bonfire?

[coral wraith]

ohhhh

Nah aura is this

Charms and/or anima powers of only one element during
her combat turn (or a similar narrative interval outside of
combat, such as an action in a scene of social influence or a
round of naval combat). At the end of her turn, she enters the
appropriate Aura.```

[tulip folio]

Ah, I see.

[fierce star]

I'd say let them learn martial arts as alchemicals, but instead of the charm have 'em... do it like any other mortal in creation

slash exalt

[tulip folio]

Martial Artist Merit etc?

[fierce star]

yeah

[tulip folio]

That could work.

Ironically: I cut one of the Alchemical charms despite the 2e jadeborn book listing doing it as an option XD

As I thought: 'Jadeborn can join together to form Captain Planet' was a bit silly and I wanted to leave 'Become Legendary Size' to actual alchemicals. XD

(Also: There is basicly no example of 'multiple characters join together into one' in RPGs that makes it fun for all players involved)

[fierce star]

entirely fair

... do the abyssal charms that let you inflict diseases you've treated before work with the supernatural diseases from citrine poxes?

I'd lean 'yes' for the 'normal' ones, I think, but no for Iphimedeia Ithink?

since at least one of the diseases tied to the style does occur in nature, ife xtreme rarely

[tulip folio]

Seems legit

I'm also pondering the most fun apocalyptic for a full on 'Vampire Princess' style Abyssal. XD

[fierce star]

and like, you still gotta experience the disease to add it to your repretoire

presense maybe?

[tulip folio]

I'm tempted by occult to get God-Scourging Wail for some real nonsense but there's a lot of options. XD

[fierce star]

lol

[tulip folio]

Broken Heart Triumph is a very fun 'look what you can get way earlier than normal' though.

[fierce star]

yeah

[tulip folio]

Occult Apocalyptic doesn't let you get magic earlier so maybe skip that and just pick up occult normally. XD

Hmm...2/3s of the Midnight Caste abilities feel really dull though.

Like, Wake From Death is 'Wow, making zombies. Have you seen the abyssal charmset? Or necromancy?'

Prophet of the Void is the only part of it that really sings.

Moonshadow has a bit more spice but doesn't have that 'Get a pile of non-charm dice to social stuff'

[fierce star]

being fair midnight's zombie creation is extremely mote efficient

and teh ghost familiar thing is cool, I think?

[tulip folio]

I guess so and I guess Prophet of the Void carries a lot of the weight for it.

[fierce star]

yeah

[fierce star]

... I just realized a potential issue

is there anythingi n the abyssal charmset that lets them poison/disease ghosts

[tulip folio]

Are ghosts immune to supernatural disease/poison, or just mundane ones?

I don't think becoming a zombie stops you getting turned to stone etc

[fierce star]

per the core rulebook

it doesn't say they're NOT immune to supernatural poison/disease

there's this which might work against them if 'works on creatures of darkness' overrides 'immunity to poison'

[tulip folio]

Dawnflower's poison mode should 100% work on undead.

The other two effects work on undead

[prisma sun]

Is there any rule about supernatural diseases specifically

Like under the disease rules

[fierce star]

only this bit

and nothing about supernatural poisons

so it looks like my uh

bad touch abyssal build is probalby going to need to change, given the game's set in the underworld so 90% of what we're going to fight is going to beimmune to all my charm-bsaed poisons and diseases

... and I think my environmental effects, too

[prisma sun]

Is there any fluff about ghosts falling to plague

[winged swallow]

so

there’s at least one necromancy that creates a supernatural diseases that affects “spirits”

i’m gonna go check it again

just in case

Curse of Creeping Calcification sure affects spirits, which is tha umbrella term for all things what dematerialize and have funky soul setups

[fierce star]

It looks like generally if a poison or disease does not specifically say it can effect spirits, it does not, atl east from my reads?

[prisma sun]

Well actually

Abyssals can suffer disease

And they're undead

So like

I do not think this is a hard rule and you should just go for it

[fierce star]

Abyssal's state of death is 'yes, but also no' tbh

but the GM's ruling that ghosts are immune to poison and disease that doesn't explcilty say it effects spirits or creatures of darkess, so my bad touch build is... not gonna be very good for a game set in the underworld.

[winged swallow]

explicitly undead “only when it is beneficial” and they don’t get the usual benefits of being undead

[winged swallow]

alas

[prisma sun]

I would say being immune to disease is beneficial

[winged swallow]

“and they don’t get the usual benefits of being undead”

if something in like a charm says “this does not affect the undead”

an abyssal is counted as undead for that purpose

The Abyssal Exalted have not died, yet death is their very Essence. When faced with magic that has different effects for the living and the dead, Abyssals are considered whichever is most advantageous to them. However, they don’t gain the benefits of undeath listed on Exalted, p. 503.```

be weird to be immune to disease/poison and then have a resistance charm to make you better at resisting disease/poison

[fierce star]

man abyssal larceny's capstones aren't that spicy are they.

death-cheating deception is... neat, I guess?

[winged swallow]

hmmm

temperance archery huh

held breath, restraint, patience and waiting for the perfect moment

could probably take some hinters from Sidereal melee's more straightforward stuff

[bleak hazel]

the chair of the Sidereal Convention on Hell is explicitly designed to be "fuckboy Gojo", apparently

I don't know what that means, I have never seen JJK

but he's apparently a boss for a couple of fighty low essence infernals at once

[next delta]

Unsure if it is rude to fight the diplomatic delegation to hell or if it would be rude for the Sidereals to not get in fights on their diplomatic missions to hell

[prisma sun]

WAIT WHAT

[bleak hazel]

Ashen-Eyed Ludall is a smug-yet-charming layabout who is very good at White Reaper

[prisma sun]

I'm so excited

[bleak hazel]

this is all we've currently got on him but he's getting a full QC in Agents of Heaven

[prisma sun]

If you want more Gojo vibes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CARcWG8XoCY

This is like, one of his two quintessential fights

Local Sidereal fighting off Two 2nd Circle Demons using nothing but martial arts and excellencies.

[bleak hazel]

OK, that is very siddie

I may have to take a look at this, I admit most of the martial arts stuff I watch is in the older live action mould

[prisma sun]

Early JJK has stupendous vibes to take from Exalted

wait

other way around

[tulip folio]

Judging by that description of an antagonist for them, I guess they're going all in on 'Infernals are plucky hell rebels vibe' for 3e.

[prisma sun]

Making all of the Disaster Spirits into Demons

would be a fun little project

[bleak hazel]

I am hoping they keep the best fan interpretation of 2e infernals, which is that they're all trading favours with 3cds at the Althing, split between a billion different agendas and not united in the Glorious Reclamation because that was silly

we already have a Rebel Against Heaven splat and their Rebel Against Heaven stuff is the weakest part of their thematics, IMO

the Essence example Get is kinda fun and that's mostly because he told Rakan to go fuck himself and went back to doing stuff actually related to his Origin

[tulip folio]

My issue is that a lot of splats has some amount of 'rebel against heaven'. The Lunars are actively at war with the Sids, the Solars are coming back and being actively hunted by heaven's agents in the immaculate order. Abyssals...Abyssals.

'Rebelling against heaven' isn't really an interesting trick in exalted when most of the other splats are already doing it. XD

[prisma sun]

Well the Lunars are more at war with the Realm than Heaven

[tulip folio]

That and I feel like it's kinda a flattening of 2e Infernals into a more 'generally heroic' version with a lot less bite to it. Taking away all the self-destructive and grimy sides of their 'Infernal Rockstars' aspect.

I liked that the internal rockstars was not just 'Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll' but also how it burned the person up, playing into the self-destructive aspects of the Yozi.

I dunno, I'm not sure what 3e Infernals will be but I hope it's enough like 2e infernals to make it fit. As 2e Infernals were incredibly flawed but also had some incredible aspects that I worry will get stripped out or flattened down into nothing but a patina.

[velvet raft]

I've heard it said that steppe archers shooting at a full gallop learn to fire not only at the apex of their breath, but also in the instant their horse has all of its hooves off of the ground, so nothing can jar their shot

[empty creek]

I liked this bit. I liked this bit a lot.

It's just that it was packaged with...You know...

All of that stuff

<gestures vaguely

[winged swallow]

i'm pretty sure they're still doing some Rockstar Prince of Hell type shit, it's just also mixed in with some new flavors

i also think, given how abyssals turned out, we gotta just be patient and not worry about it, y'know

[prisma sun]

I'd be really surprised if after 4 books of bangers they'd just suddenly start sucking

[merry arch]

the impression I've gotten from lurking in here is that ppl are worried because of how Essence depicted them, but like. abyssals fucking rule and so did sids before them. so I think it's gonna be alright

[winged swallow]

keeping it real, we can't be relying on Essence for the most part because those are two separate teams/projects/goals

whole-ass different game

[merry arch]

I haven't looked at alchs but the impression I've gotten is that people fw them heavy as well so my original point stands

[winged swallow]

alchs is pretty good

did some fun stuff with em

their charm setups are real fun too

[merry arch]

yeah this is also a good point. given what I've seen of the deathlords for 3e compared to 2e I think infernals will be alright. team working on 3e's splats is doing a good job

[empty creek]

I really need to grab the Aybssals book like as soon as it becomes printable

I am a physical media snob

[winged swallow]

if only the art was better for abyssals

that's been my only real letdown

[tulip folio]

It's kinda interesting that some of the 2e martial arts have turned up in Essence but have not been announced for the 'lets have a heap of martial arts' sid book.

[winged swallow]

again, different teams/projects/goals. also the trees are much smaller in essence, nor are they quite so meaty

there aren't individual splat supplements for Essence

just core book, pillars of creation, and the upcoming player guide (i think that's all of em)

[tulip folio]

Oh yeah, less 'why not turn up' and more 'interesting differences in what they want to see turn up'.

I'm kinda glad First Pulse hasn't been announced for the sid book after I spend several hours doing up my own 3e version of it. XD

[coral wraith]

Crazy lack of juice on a lot of it, yeah

[winged swallow]

there'll probably be a lot of other martial arts dropped with getimians

but that's

A While Away.

[fierce star]

random aside but I might have a new favorite abyssal charm now

Gasping Sargasso Gallows has the juice

[tulip folio]

oh?

It seems like I'm pretty safe on most of hte ones I did. With the sid book having a Smoking Martial Art and a Drinking Martial art, I doubt they're updating Orgiastic Fugitive Style any time soon.

A bit too 'covering similar bases'

[fierce star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254494719906807809/1388701292678873118/image.png?ex=6861f05c&is=68609edc&hm=6df362efdbc51527c16da72e59efbf57fb84767b41cd01dda8158fa677f05673&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/254494719906807809/1388701293018873927/image.png?ex=6861f05d&is=68609edd&hm=45ee2939acb2cc4877e391d1bdd2ee2416c419792a5b0f355609fff29f59211b&

'so i heard you lke to drown ghosts'

[tulip folio]

Ooof
That's a beefy fucker.

...I wonder if it works on people who do need to breath but like...can breath water.

Like a Water DB

[fierce star]

I'd rule yes, personally.

[prisma sun]

I think "I am immune to drowning" is specific enough to cancel out the "normally need to breath"

Broad loses to specific

[fierce star]

because like, it's not just water. 'putrid brine and seaweed', y'know?

[tulip folio]

I'd likely go with 'look, whichever one of them is the player charater wins. Player characters get cool moments'. XD

[fierce star]

lol

that is fair

[bleak hazel]

a few of them got split up - Orgiastic Fugitive is now Devil-Pipe and Seven Drunken Gods

and there are a couple of criminal streetfighting styles which will presumably be the descendants of First Pulse

[vestal dew]

I'm still convinced that calling oneself "Master of the Devil Pipe" gets you on a list, but I adore martial arts in this game and I'm really looking forward to it.

[bleak hazel]

Gets apparently has at least seven SMAs in it, so I would expect the actual book to be a little slimmer in other places

probably lore if anything, Sids have a whole dimension that needed fluff and zen-mu is a little less of a big deal

[vestal dew]

And I miss First Pulse style. I remember having my House Tepet nerd using it with a pair of God-kicking boots and making his peers very confused.

[bleak hazel]

I would expect Roaring Iron Style and Prince-Eating Mendicant Style to have grabbed bits of it

[fierce star]

There is something delightful about dragonblooded nerds just busting out absolutely brutal martial arts moves

[bleak hazel]

Prince-Eating Mendicant is half peasant rebellion half Frenzied Flame

[fierce star]

I had a water-aspected house nellens bureaucrat/merchant accountant who used a combination of terrestrial hero style, five dragon style, and first pulse to beat people to death with her ledger

admitteldy her ledger was also a brick of solid jade and an artifact, but, you know, not DESIGNED to kill people

[bleak hazel]

Five Dragon Style certainly had the charm naming scheme of all time

[winged swallow]

peak

[fierce star]

chaos, the world, take it, etc

[bleak hazel]

Five-Dragon Claw, Five-Dragon-Force Blow, Five-Dragon Fortitude, Five-Dragon Blocking Technique, Five-Dragon Form, Five-Dragon Fist, Five-Dragon Invulnerability and Five-Dragon Wrath

that's the whole style

[fierce star]

yep

[vestal dew]

I basically borrowed some stunt moves from Def Jam Fight for NY. 😛

It seemed appropriate.

[fierce star]

Mine was more Yakuza, lol

[bleak hazel]

also because this was 2e, the second charm costs 2 motes and doubles the damage of your attack

was still considered abysmal for most purposes

[fierce star]

mmmmm ex2 combat

tastes like 'as long as you don't think about it, it almost manages to entirely fail to not work'

[bleak hazel]

every time someome thinks about 2e combat, the five ghostly clones of Jon Chung wielding sledgehammers get one second closer to reawakening

some of the charms are pretty fun to read, though

looking at you, BOKL Style

[tulip folio]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hz0AYxSD7MulgBWoJVnQSBx1JxoXRgs5bbKM722_rcI/edit?usp=sharing I did a 3e version of it. A lot had to be tinkered with as some mechanics didn't really translate and 3e sorta scrapped the line between Terrestial and Celestial but I'm kinda proud of it.

It's still a dirty streetfighting style but I drew from Titan of the Streets and Introduction to the Stone Prince to make it more urban themed.

First Pulse Style
First Pulse, like many styles, draws from the world about it. Instead of the flow of rivers or the movement of animals however, it focuses on the power of civilization and worked stone. No matter how mighty the mountain or hostile the forest, civilization will make itself known in time. Mere mortals, armed with hammers and spikes, can carve their way through stones that the primordials themselves made and shape it in their own image.

Some claim that the original creator of this style was a slave pit fighter in Nexus, who drew inspiration from the shattered bones and splattered stains left upon the arenas that he fought within. Some Lunars claim that it was invented by one of the first Immaculates, a precursor to Earth Dragon that was discarded as the order sought to hide the brutality of their conquests in the illusions of protection and stability. Others among the stars theorize that its violence is divinely inspired and that this style is one of the reasons that even when the Bureaus of Heaven and Humanity comes to blows in their disputes, few are willing to challenge Wun Ja within Yu Shan’s walls.

First Pulse is violence without restraint; lashing out with driving fists, shattering knees with brutal stomps and gouging at eyes. Only a fool believes it is violence without thought, however. Its practitioners are masters at identifying the cracks in the bedrock upon which their opponents' styles stand, then hammering them like an architect’s wedge splitting apart a boulder to craft the bricks of a new street.

[coral wraith]

faffle

[tulip folio]

With Jadeborn having 2e charms that gave them rituals for for 'summon elementals' and 'summon demons' I kinda decided to go 'fuck it' and let them learn Ritual Spells but only ritual spells. They also don't get Control Spells or a free spell for initiating (You get your Excellent Countermagic instead).

[winged swallow]

what mechanics lend themselves to this? beyond improving aim and whatnot

[tulip folio]

Perhaps being able to move a zone before or after an attack? So you can nip into close range for better accuracy then move back out to medium?

Air Dragon gets a lot of use out of that sorta shoot and scoot

[winged swallow]

i realize now that i tagged the wrong message lol

meant to grab mine using gk’s as a steppin’ stone

shoot and scoot is nice but i’m just wondering if it leads itself to temperance and patience, restraining oneself and waiting for the perfect moment to loose an arrow/fire… blast

i am Open to thoughts

maybe it is perfectly on theme and i am Short Sighted in this regard

[bleak hazel]

I would not make an entire tree about kiting, kiting is the exact thing that the game's movement system is designed to avoid

even Charcoal March doesn't let you move away from people without being attacked first

[prisma sun]

Yeah generally it wants you to be In The Scene

[bleak hazel]

Isidorosposting

[limpid badge]

mighty is isidoros

[fierce star]

Isidoros more like Is Adorable - Szorenzy Probably

[bleak hazel]

I was going to put my Endings sid into PAOC but honestly I'm starting to feel the pull of Charcoal March

doing Sid Melee from the other side of the room is pretty hype

my crane stylist can deal with PAOC, it's more his type of thing

[light olive]

...how is Earth Scorpion perceived here?

[coral wraith]

who/what is that

[light olive]

Exalted fan who has been around a while. Had strong opinions on the game. Wrote fair amount of homebrew rules and setting material, has strong opinions on the setting, did not like the initial direction of 3e at all, and has been running a decade long campaign for a close friend.

[vestal dew]

Never heard of him.

[wise ocean]

never - yep

[light olive]

Fair enough.

[tulip folio]

https://i.imgflip.com/4xr05h.jpg

[fierce star]

Names vaguely familiar but I have no emotional attachment to it

[light olive]

His version of the setting, threw our the guilds, made it so the original Scarlet Empress is long dead (they were on their fourth and fifth when one went missing with no clear heir), underworld significantly reworked throwing out the canon deathlords almost entirely?

[wise ocean]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal dew]

eyeroll
Cool, he can sit with the rest of the custom setting fics out there.

[tulip folio]

Honestly, I don't think anyone here seems to really know about them. The only annoying homebrewer we have here is me 😛

[light olive]

Basically. Someone who I rather like because some of what he has done is cool and due to the weird way I engage with games historically I got steeped in older fandom discourse about two years ago

[winged swallow]

why are you annoying, iki

[light olive]

Also a lot of this stuff happened in the 2e era

Sorry

[winged swallow]

that was a poorly timed message on my part, damn

[vestal dew]

The 2E era is complicated, I think everybody agrees on that. ^^;;;

[wise ocean]

I don't think I've ever paid attention to fandom discourse in my life and I assume it's had a statistically measurable positive increase in my mental health, tbh

[light olive]

Probably

[winged swallow]

adds years on to your lifespan actually

[tulip folio]

Because I keep posting homebrew for things people don't care about (Jadeborn, homebrew martial arts etc) XD

[vestal dew]

Yeah but you're nice about it!

[merry arch]

nah that shits rad

[limpid badge]

I love ur drunken martial arts

[winged swallow]

doesn’t make you annoying

lol

[light olive]

Mhmm interesting.

[limpid badge]

Anyway i would rather we don’t like, just drag random peoples work out like this

Howsabout them Dragon Kings i always love those dudes

[merry arch]

they're fuckin badass, I barely know anything about em

Dino people or some shit right

[limpid badge]

With perfect reincarnation

[merry arch]

wicked fuckin sick

[winged swallow]

DKs fucken slap

i’d play an olchilike in 3e

[limpid badge]

The former favored people of the Unconquered Sun, to whom they offered the hearts of men in the days of eld…

[vestal dew]

My first 3e Solar character had a Dragon King mentor, I love those guys.

[light olive]

Dragon kings cool

Reason why I brought up ES is because I like his work a lot and due to my own shortcomings he became a major influence through which I viewed the setting. And in particular a crossover fanfic he did and the various demons he has written up are why I am obsessed with the Yozi

[tulip folio]

Dragon Kings are cool. They're something I'd really like to see make a return but they're also tricky. I managed a basic hack together for the Enlightened Jadeborn (Iki, doing Sidhe Stuff? This is entirely out of character for them!) but Dragon King are so different to anything else they'd be very 'make from scratch'. XD

[limpid badge]

Oh, that’s fine, i saw folks being snippy and may have jumped the gun there orz

[winged swallow]

the gun jumper

like ashe from megaman zx advent

[merry arch]

peak mentioned

[winged swallow]

can this possibly be the first time i’ve ever met a zx advent enjoyer since the first time i played that fucken game back in like 2009

i’m going to the games channel, i need to nerd abt this

[bleak hazel]

I like a lot of ES's writing, he had a fun take on Infernals, don't care for edition wars

[light olive]

Yeah thats really fair.

I overdosed on edition wars because my approach to learning more about exalted was reading 1000+ pages of discussion from the beginning

[bleak hazel]

about the only thing I disliked about the old Kerisgame writeups was the fact they are Extremely 2e and as such most of the people who aren't Solaroids or third circle demons Do Not Matter mechanically

some really fun vibes in there though

oh god did you binge the SV thread

vietnam flashbacks right there

ten page argument about whether Solar charms can break a one-time pad

[mighty rover]

fear

[light olive]

Yes. Saddly I never finished it. Refused to keep reading unless I read inks game. And each chapter of inks game was wordy enough I never got around to it

[bleak hazel]

never looked at that one

the SV thread had a very particular take on the underworld, yu-shan and lunars that was basically designed to remove the fact they had terrible lore but were still vaguely necessary to think about, and now I find I can happily discard all that and use the actually good fluff in the new books

[light olive]

nodnod

I like some of the ideas for the underworld Earthscorpion has but the new lore sounds super exciting

[bleak hazel]

on the other hand, there were tons of very fun demon writeups and I love the general consensus on the Infernals being batted between scores of third circles with their own agendas that emerged there at the same time

new deathlords rock

don't think there's a dud in there

having a great time with my Moonshadow in Skullstone

[light olive]

Are ludicrously dangerous solar hungry ghosts canon or is that something brainstormed by sufficient velocity?

[bleak hazel]

(also the fandom brainworms about Sidereals were something else, just entirely informed by Sidereal Death Squad memes and random broken mechanics from 2004)

those are real, albeit less heavily emphasised

and they'll form from any elder exalt that kicks it, not just sun boys

also probably wouldn't be Essence 10 anymore because the essence scale for plausible entities you punch goes about 1-7 rather than the old 4-10

[light olive]

I rather like the enlightenment hack kerisgame uses

[bleak hazel]

it was cute for the time, but now an Essence 5 Solar is not capable of ignoring an arbitrary number of Essence 5 deebs so I'm again happy to put that aside

there's a power gap but it's not represented by "you shall never reach the realm of actually relevant abilities"

hell, E5 Sid martial artist or Lunar Full Moon vs E5 Solar martial artist is close to a dead heat, possible slight advantage Siddie but definitely down to build and piloting

what Enlightenment remains good at is representing the fact that ghost/god/fae/etc. Essence was and is not remotely on the same scale as Exalt Essence, and that's just not a very big deal

[light olive]

nodnod

I came up with an OC yozi

[bleak hazel]

what, like, recently?

blast from the past

yozis are fun, we have effectively zero detailed material on any of the canon ones in 3e

Sids now have a charm that invokes a subclause of the Surrender Oaths to summon a chunk of Adorjan, which is kind of neat

there is an attached warning that if you do this too much Adorjan might develop a crush on the summoner and that rarely ends well

[winged swallow]

Warning: She might fall in love with you. This is bad, as you know.

[light olive]

Yeah. Basically have like. Main themes and a list of the basic ideas of about ten to twelves souls.

Design process consisted of going, "I am currently obsessed with yozi... I want to make one to feel smart. None of the canon yozi are full on ice and snow themed... Hmm, if I pour my own insecurities, habits, and neuroses into this it actually works!"

[bleak hazel]

that sounds like most of the canon yozi, yeah

[quiet garnet]

How so?

[bleak hazel]

Adorjan the Silent Wind is partially defined by her succession of literal whirlwind romances, and she is a sandstorm that snuffs out all sound and breath

[quiet garnet]

She's not an acidic sea?

[bleak hazel]

if she takes a fancy to you you will be flayed alive in the span of a few seconds as she takes you in her loving embrace

[winged swallow]

adorjan feels intensely and feels swiftly

and if you feel her, you’ll die swiftly

[bleak hazel]

at which point she will hit Freedom Lets Go and go not-whistling off into the not-sunset without a care

[winged swallow]

you’re thinking of Kimbery, I believe?

misc, am i right on that

[quiet garnet]

Was confused cause I kept seeing stuff like acidic sea, primordial river, when I googled Adorjan for Exalted.

[bleak hazel]

Kimbery is the Sea That Marched Against The Flame, yes

ah, there's a reason for that

Adorjan was originally Adrian, the River of All Torments, who encircled Creation and shredded trillions of invading Raksha with a soggier version of her current gimmick

in the Divine Revolution the Exalts killed Adrian's defining soul and the resulting psyche rearrangement produced Adorjan, who is a lot less damp and a lot less attached to.... well, anything

[winged swallow]

adorjan my love

[vestal dew]

I'm curious, where is the info that exists about Szoreny and Isidoros? I keep hearing bits and pieces of their lore but I haven't found any big rundowns on them.

[bleak hazel]

there was actually very little, a lot of the discussion is a series of extrapolations from a couple of paragraphs in Infernals 2e and Games of Divinity

Isidoros in particular is just fun enough to get people posting about him a lot

everyone loves Very Big Pig

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-what-gif-26449775

[vestal dew]

That's the general vibe I got, like Isidoros x Szoreny are the One True Ship among the yozi fanbase.

[tulip folio]

Isidoros ismy favorite Yozi. I'm a sucker for black holes and black hole boar is just a fun concept. There's a reason he's the Yozi I did a Martial Art based on. XD

[vestal dew]

My favorite is probably SHLIHN, but I think that's mostly off the power move that is the Three Spheres Cataclysm.

[prisma sun]

Ligier I have sold myself as my favorite

if only because in my head he's just Exalted Sukuna

[winged swallow]

ebon dragon my love

we can let him out of hell for a bit, it’s fine

we can bend the surrender oaths just for a day, it’ll be fiiiiiiiine

literally what is even the worst that could happen

[prisma sun]

I find it funny that so far I don't think Ebon Dragon is canon to 3e?

[quiet garnet]

Wait do Sidereals draw some of their abilities from the Yozis? I thought that was Infernals?

[prisma sun]

Some of them

The Sidereals get their powers from some beurucratic leverage

including with demons

[winged swallow]

? why would he not be

iconic yozi

[bleak hazel]

I don't think Ebby has been mentioned yet but most of the Yozis haven't, it's only been the ones relevant outside Malfeas which is not tons

some of his sub-souls are around because we have stats for Mara, though

[light olive]

...
Ooh

[bleak hazel]

oh, Sibri is also a soul of Ebby

so yeah, he's definitely canon

[light olive]

My homebrew yozi would probably actually destroy creation if she was released

[bleak hazel]

but we only have significant mention of Malfeas and Cecelyne because they're important terrain features, Sacharavell and Oramus because they're the progenitors of the Getimians and Adorjan because she made a deal with Saturn and as such is part of the Sid charmset

[dense verge]

i think ebon dragon has been mentioned a few times- yeah

he's probably been out of focus for various 2e related crimes as i understand them, but how i imagine him is more as the concept of Not That, and through being the antithesis of everything else, he is defined by everything he is not and holds no real opinions or free will of his own. he knows this and is deeply insecure over it. thats my spin/understanding at least

[bleak hazel]

as far as I know it's literally just that charm, although the House of Endings has a few things with vaguely Adorjan vibes but no explicit link

Sid Integrity has a duty-flavoured version of Freedom Lets Go, Sid Athletics is The Rising Smoke, etc.

really good terrain hazard charm actually

costs a lot but since 3e generally limits freeform movement to 1 range band/round without fairly powerful charms you can usually get two rounds of pain out of it on any one target

[tulip folio]

also being aggravated damage, it's going to stick

[bleak hazel]

only diff 4, but it is the blood ape blender 5000

[light olive]

-Fetich who is deeply concerned with keeping her fellow souls in line and dreams of somehow severing her link with her greater self.
-A twin of the fetich who wants to kill Joklua (the yozi) greater self
-A soul who pushes others away through bitter storms
-a soul who will lash out emotionally pushing them into self loathing
-a soul who is greatly concerned with masking the pain of her greater self (and coating her greater self with snow to hide the unsightly rotten ice that makes up much of Joklua's form)

[tulip folio]

...I wonder if that 'become super resistant to an element' presence charm would protect vs the vortex if you pacted with Air.

[bleak hazel]

certainly if you had Air and Earth resistance up I'd be inclined to give you something against the mega sandstorm

[tulip folio]

...I wonder if Sids can pact with non-traditional elements. Like if a Sid ends up in Autobot City, can they pact with Smoke or Lightning?

[bleak hazel]

I see no reason why not, it's in the same line as the do-stuff-with-Elementals charms and I think there are elementals for the autobot ones, right?

I feel that you should be allowed to take a deep lungful of the fumes around Xexas, blow a smoke ring and then swandive beautifully off the side of your airship as it fails to touch your skin

[prisma sun]

https://tenor.com/view/vape-trick-v-god-vape-ring-gif-14241909

[tulip folio]

Yeah, the Autothonian elements are Steam, Metal, Lightning, Oil, Smoke and Crystal.

[bleak hazel]

I seem to recall something odd like the oil sump being at the top and smoke being at the bottom but that could be half-remembered 2e

I have not scoured the 3e book carefully like I have with Sids/Deebs/Abyssals

[light olive]

-A soul who indulges in the pleasures of the flesh and pushes the creeping expansion of joklua
-a soul that loathes conflict and imprisons those who disturb their peace in a prison of ice
-a soul obsessed with collection whose ice gardens hold wonders of a previous age in suspension
-a failed creative soul whose unfinished artworks are innunerable
-a frostbitten soul who desperately yearns for the warmth of others even as she herself destroys those she touces

[tulip folio]

Generally the alignment is like:

Steam = Air
Metal = Eath
Lightning = Fire
Oil = Water
Crystal = Wood
Smoke = Autobot's Corruption.

For what's 'closest to existing element'

[bleak hazel]

I will say that Autocthonia is steadily charming me more and more

I kind of want to go to robotland

[winged swallow]

oooh, there are definitely some fun charms to be made from a yozi with souls like this

[tulip folio]

Smoke likely links most closely to Vitriol. Being an Element of transformative corruption.

[bleak hazel]

the Vitriol Elementals are admittedly kind of fake elementals

because they're just a local brand of 1CD

but yeah, fits stylistically

[tulip folio]

Would be kinda cool to see those rare Autothonian Dragonblooded take on aspects closer to the Autothonian elements.

No mechanical changes but an Autothonian Fire DB surrounded by Crackling Lightning instead of flames etc could be fun.

[dense verge]

autochthonia is a fun place

one touch i like is the center where the godhead is being incredibly cold. because its a supercomputer. it needs to be cold.

[bleak hazel]

also update on Sid Play Experience: man these mote efficiency charms are fun

[tulip folio]

Delicious Resources

[bleak hazel]

I've got WSAV and Heroic Essence Replenishment applicable for the first time in this campaign and I'm just slapping this battlegroup around with full excellencies that average like 2 motes

clashing every round to negate their attack because they can't go this hard

I can't just freely do this to exalts or big BGs of elites because I can't reliably overmatch their dice pools or their join battle, but it is quite a good tactic for things like Fae Cataphracts who have no excellencies for their dice pools but tons of damage and soak

[light olive]

Defining Soul of the Stinging Springs.
Really tall demonic oak tree man split down the middle and bound together with bands of iron. Is good at history, entomology, copying texts, and being really big and enduring. Is surprisingly stealthy, especially in the East. Can reach some spells from the first circle of Necromancy.

Negative attitude. Avoids offering their own opinions unprompted. Doesn't like moving around too much. Spreads mutant strains of wasp. When summoned arrives at a portion of his full size, needs time to grow into his own, and needs a fair amount of maintenance especially in the South.```

[tulip folio]

To be fair, Fae Cataphracts make up for 'no excellency' with 'what the fuck is this base dicepool?'

[bleak hazel]

yeah, they can be very spooky, they just get hard countered by Sid Melee clash setups in particular because you don't need to spend that much every round to keep them reliably suppressed once you have an init lead

or really any clash sid, melee has expensive clash boosters but you really just need to be constantly holding down the cheap excellency button

[prisma sun]

Well Fae cataphract can presumably kill clash sids by just like

Esoterica

[tulip folio]

Sid vs Fae fight - Whichever sides stops bullshitting first loses.

[bleak hazel]

cataphract statblock is mostly just a high-stats beatstick with an integrated battlegroup of lads, so default cata probably can't

but yeah, fae in general have some shenanigans

[prisma sun]

Sid vs Fae fight is Jojo past part 6

[tulip folio]

The concern with the Fae Cataphract is that the Cataphract is like...he's not a minor fae but he's also a fae who's minor enough to have non-named versions you can put places. He's the 'Oh fuck, it's an Immaculate Shikari' of the Fae. A scary fucker but a scary fucker that's still a Broad Category of dude. We've not really seen the Sad Ivory, let alone Anys Syn of Fae statted yet. XD

[bleak hazel]

we do actually have a selection of larger fae

no top-tier fae nobles but there are some named ones and a couple of behemoths

[tulip folio]

Oh right, we've got that Living Whirlwind Lightning Storm Rock Thing.

[bleak hazel]

the wyld bird flocks that divide in two when you stab them are royal pains

very possible for a party to just have nothing to do against an enemy that can't be stabbed and can't be socially influenced

[wise ocean]

Would you ever fight one of the top-tier Big Honking Head Honcho Fae in modern Exalted, anyway?

[bleak hazel]

yeah sure, they're around, unless you're talking Ishvara

Big Fae Prince is a fairly standard NPC to need to talk to or hit with whacky sticks

[tulip folio]

I'll admit, I'd be very tempted if I wrote up a statline for a top-tier Fae is to make their non-combat dice pool listing 'Almost Everything 14 dice, Empathy 2 dice'. Rather than listing the things they're good at, you list more the things they're bad at and just assume that a big fae is Good At Most Things because they're Lugh'ing it up. XD

[bleak hazel]

the Ishvara are 2e-only fae incarnae-equivalents who are invariably Essence 10 and existed to get styled on in fluff by Conky or Luna, don't think they're coming back

[tulip folio]

I'm not sure we'll see a Balor-Tier Fae statted any time soon as that would require pushing the system further than I think the devs are comfortable stress testing it.

As well...see what Misc just said.

[bleak hazel]

the Balorian Crusade as a distinct event has had a lot of the specifics filed off since it turned into a bit of an oddity

Giant Fae Invasion happened after the Great Contagion, but not due to this one dude with a particularly big mythos

[dense verge]

as i understand it, the wyld being a place where nothing Is, a Large Guy can just show up occasionally (?)

[bleak hazel]

pretty much, yeah

wyld is like subnautica

lots of shallows around with fairly normal rockpool creatures that can still give you a nip

can go sailing near the coasts

[wise ocean]

Yeah, the Balor-tier were what I was thinking of.

[tulip folio]

Oh right, this has reminded me (Due to my Lugh comment) I was going to do a thing to help make Jadeborn Better Crafters without just being a Big Numbers thing.

[bleak hazel]

a long way out you have endless depths where human concepts start breaking down, and those are mostly empty but occasionally shaken by dreadful whalesong

exalts are occasionally called upon whenever a big thing from the depths washes up on the proverbial beach

the Fae are also not what they once were - Creation greatly lessened them, part of making creation and stabbing Mount Meru into the centre of everything as the Omphalos was permanently imposing One True Reference Frame on existence

there are few wyld-things left from those ancient days, and they are usually bitter, spiteful and too ruined by the un-Faelike curse of linear time to come to Creation's borders

[dense verge]

yeah, now that there Is, there's now an Isn't where previously is Was, being neither Isn't as an Isn't implies an Is, and Isn't is in the shadow of what Is.

so the fae are pissed about this thing that's there now providing a reference frame outside their window

[bleak hazel]

this is one of the reasons that Exalts all come with Fuck-The-Wyld magic built in - as creatures of either Creation or one of the adjacent dimensions with its own mythos (Underworld has Setesh, Malfeas has Yozis) they can basically show up at the Wyld game of pretend and go "no, actually, this is a real sword, you actually die when I stab you with it"

[tulip folio]

Samildánach
Jadeborn are the children of Autocthon and share his genius in crafting, able to apply their skills to any task put before them.

Jadeborn do not buy Areas of Expertise for Craft skills as seperate abilities. Instead, a Jadeborn purchases them as Specialities for the Craft ability. A Jadeborn may use their full Craft Ability for any usage of craft they have a speciality for. All Jadeborn start with Craft Specialities in Stoneworking and Geomancy, in addition to any others.

What I'm giving Jadeborn on the craft front. They're still not crapping out First Age Artifacts like a Solar but it's very easy for a Jadeborn to be Several Sorts of Mundane Crafter cheaply/Getting to the starting line of 'can make an artifact' is cheaper for them.

[bleak hazel]

most "modern" fae that you'll actually see have adapted to Creation - they like hanging out just about close enough to creation to leech some shape from it, which is why you get semi-consistent forms like hobgoblins and cockatrices rather than random incoherent concepts hanging out in the local middlemarches

the wyld-stuff further out has less and less shape and (as a rule) less and less desire to come in and get any

[bleak hazel]

have you considered making the bits of this that aren't the starting specs a charm? almost every exalt has a Get More Craft Dots charm, and the Alch one is rendered basically nonfunctional by the removal of charm slots

so you may as well pull that out and replace it with the much stronger "craft is now specs" to keep the usual costs roughly balanced

[tulip folio]

That's fair. I might ponder that.

[bleak hazel]

still a significant upgrade over literally every other exalt's Extra Dots charm, but having played both with and without this houserule it would feel really bad to be the craft splat who didn't have this if your teammate got it for free

standard extra dots is basically "pay 8xp for Craft (Artifacts) 5 rather than 19xp" , whereas this is "pay 8xp for Craft (Stoneworking, Geomancy) 5 and then get all future crafts for 3xp"

also the only applicable mundane craft for Geomancy is Architecture due to a random sidebar in core about building manses

so you might want to lead with that instead of stoneworking

[tulip folio]

That's fair. I'll amend it to a charm. The intent is to make them feel like Quite Good Crafters even if they can't hit the 'fucking hell, just shitting out 5 dot artifacts everywhere' of a Solar. XD

[bleak hazel]

I would put existing alchs as third in crafting power after Solars (in first place due to having OP jank as well as useless jank, so if optimised go nuts and if not optimised are really sad) and Abyssals

could argue for Alchs being joint third with Sids, but Sid craft is interested in such completely different stuff that I think they're more Does Not Compute

[tulip folio]

Yeah. I love Sid Craft but it's a weird one

[coral wraith]

Half of Sid Crafting has nothing to do with Crafting

[tulip folio]

As it's the only one not interested in playing Daiklaive Clicker

[coral wraith]

It's baller

[bleak hazel]

I'm not sure if my plan to just raw excellency all my craft projects with like one dedicated crafting charm will actually let Rival make 3-dots in reasonable campaign time but it will be really funny if it does

[limpid badge]

hi everyone im gently microwaving bloody hand. I love her so much

[bleak hazel]

if not, Sids can get a pretty decent artifact suite with maybe 3-5 charms and then fill the rest with delicious tech

[prisma sun]

Del I sold myself on Abyssals

[bleak hazel]

oh yeah, Rival has obtained Ascending Destiny Mien because it lets him dump two different abilities even if his Int is bad

he's starting out as kind of a nerd, ngl

local silversmith and would-have-been househusband exalts as Sid, prior incarnation's legacy starts carefully shaping him into the finest-edged weapon in Creation

[coral wraith]

You cooked girl BH rules

[limpid badge]

Yaaaaay

[limpid badge]

She’s a contrary little fucking villain I love her

Beautiful girlprince with a disorder

[coral wraith]

She's going to be a beautiful disaster

[tulip folio]

Equally Skilled In Many Crafts
Cost: —; Mins: Intelligence 2, Essence 1
Type: Permanent
Keywords: None
Duration: Permanent
Prerequisite Charms: None
The original Jadeborn were the children of Autocthon in all ways. They could paint as well as they smithed, shaping poetry and stone equally well. Since their shattering they are greatly diminished but that nature still shines through.

Upon purchasing this Charm, the Jadeborn compresses all her Craft abilities into a single ability equal to her highest craft skill and gains a Craft Speciality of her choice. She may use her full Craft Ability on any action she has a relevant craft specialty in.

Submodules

Will ponder here, no current ideas.

Adapted into a charm so it's not quite so cheap. Still very cheap if you want Many Crafts but even dedicated crafters don't generally need more than like 3 crafts so I'm not super concerned about 'And here I get my 12th craft skill'. XD

Equally Skilled In Many Arts is one of the titles of Lugh, one of the Tuatha De Dannan. Playing a bit into 'Jadeborn were Fae' + Autocthon with the naming.

[bleak hazel]

I would suggest wording along the lines of "refunds the XP cost of all dots in craft abilities past her first, if any" in there somewhere but yeah, this works

[limpid badge]

don't worry she knows if she fucks up everything it won't matter

because it all ends, right. so no one is allowed to be mad at her. because the world has to end.

[coral wraith]

That's right

[prisma sun]

My abyssal is very yare yare daze coded

I should make one of those inspiration bits

[tulip folio]

...pondering shinies for Caste Anima Abilities and theming them on gear. A Celestial can get +(Essence or 3) to All Social Actions (As noted by the Daybreak/Midnight Caste).

I'm pondering like 'When you make use of an Exceptional Tool, the bonus is +(Essence or 3)' instead of 1. So you get 1 less bonus dice than a Daybreak/Midnight would if they had an Exceptional Tool (As they'd get the +1 and the +Essence) but it's wider in the number of things you can apply it to.

My thoughts is like:

-Workers get a Protective Gear Bonus
-Soldiers get a Weapon Bonus
-Artisans get an Exceptional Tool Non-Combat Bonus

[tulip folio]

Alternatively I could play into Artisans as the Leaders of the Jadeborn and give them an Ally Buff Bonus.

[limpid badge]

Give soldiers a protect other bonus too :3c

[tulip folio]

That could be fun, yeah. As I'm leaning against just like 'Hit harder'. As it's more about 'we have the bullshit skill of fey + a tendency towards defensive action'

I was pondering making the weapon bonus 'Hey look, some Bonus Parry' and some other shinies.

The intent is that none of these castes are offensive powerhoues.

They've all got defensive tools.

As an aside: The Void Seer Jadeborn art is very funny.

This is the face of a man who has the entire Loom of Fate stuck in his brain.

[limpid badge]

Fuck yes I love him

[tulip folio]

My current thoughts on the '5 motes, free at bonfire' is:

-Workers get extra soak/some hardness to represent them being as constant and durable as stone
-Soldiers get some bonus parry and bonus to movement actions. They're skirmishers and defensive troops, not beatsticks.
-Artisans impose a penalty on attacks against them, with Fey-like Glamour/Untouchable Beauty.

They're all Defensive Bonuses but defensive bonuses in different ways.

Showing off different aspects of the Jadeborn. Durability, Skill and Wonder.

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made another bh chart that is less elric shitposts @icy ravine @merry arch @fading cypress

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There are actual venoms less toxic than this looks (Approvingly) 😛

Hmm...how much penalty do you think '5m (Free at bonfire)' buys for like

Glamour (5m or 0m; Reflexive; Until next turn) A spark of the Jadeborn's unearthly brilliance inflicts a –??? penalty on attack rolls and other hostile actions against her. Enemies can pay 1 willpower to ignore this for a single action.```

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On the subject of toxic abyssals I have to report that my omni-badtouch build has been retired for that game as I realized ghosts can't get sick by normal diseases, but had it not been her E3-ish setup would have had her doing this on a successful martial arts decisive:

Poison:
Black Claw Poison (Damage 2i/Round, Duration Ess + Manip, Penalty -2)
Snake Style POison (Damage 1a/round, duration 1 round/2 dice of raw damage, penalty -2)
arrow frog poison (Damage 3i/round (L in crash), duration 5 rounds, -2 penalty)
centipede poison (Damage 3i/round, duration (essence or 3) + onslaught, -1 penalty)

Disease:
White Veil Disease (virulence manip + 1, morbidity 5, interval 1 day)
Infected Wounds (with +2 virulence and morbidity)
WHite Sun Fever (or other citrine pox supernatural ailment)
Any disease I've cured or been infected by

Environmental
-1 dexterity

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Oh, btw folks, looks like the Master Sheet was updated a few days ago

I suppose that's as good an excuse as any to make an Abyssal

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lol

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Hm, Day Caste created by the Black Heron who Just Wants To Fuck Around

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Defining Principle: "If I fuck around enough, eventually I'll find out"

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Yes

Apocalyptic Dodge maybe?

Also I'll make them with the self-imposed constraint that apocalyptic gives max essence + 1, rather than max essence = 5

Hm, Brawl or Martial Arts ...

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Abyssals can get some nasty MA combos going in combination with their native survival and medicine charms

(see above)

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Oh right Abyssal survival lets you summon blizzards and such, right?

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Yeah

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Is there a list of charm trees-to-Deathlords correspondences that I'm missing?

[bleak hazel]

don't think anyone actually wrote one that I recall

[merry arch]

love her your honor.

[winged swallow]

isn’t she the best

bloody hand, my dearly beloved

[winged swallow]

honestly i’d love to see more abyssal brawl goin’ on

shit’s fun as hell

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I do appreciate that Abyssal Brawl and Abyssal Melee both have strength-primary stuff

I guess with Dodge Apocalyptic, Thrown and Brawl are both solid picks ...

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She is my beautiful prince with a disorder

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Thank u she’s Worse

[merry arch]

shes fine actually, i said so

[winged swallow]

you should see her sister

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oh yayayayay

[merry arch]

girls get to be contrary and awful

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you should see her dad

[winged swallow]

girls are encouraged to be so

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i should drag another lancer oc i made recently into exalted and make another abyssal.

i love u alicia u fucking terrible awful butch

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So, something I'm noticing about Abyssals is that they share one sick bone from Solars: their charm trees seem oriented around the presence of Apocalyptic, with a lot of really excitingly Abyssal-feeling-stuff being locked to higher essences

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Is that the Supernal equivalent?

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Yeah

It's a problem for Solars, too, where a disproportionate number of Essence 1 charms are Not Very Interesting

Abyssals have it better on account of their whole trees being interesting

But I think the skewed proportions are still there

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yeah i can kinda look past it when the entire trees are interesting vs. the amount of uninteresting bloat in solar trees. granted i still don't like it as a solaroid gimmick

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Yeeeeah

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i like to build wide and solaroids seem to push you towards putting all your eggs in one basket and it sucks

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Something I started noticing with Solars after building a sid for the first time, and which I'm now noticing with Abyssals, is that the layout of the charms Yes That

There's some really cool stuff buried deep in the trees, seemingly under the assumption that you'll access it with Apocalyptic/Supernal

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https://64.media.tumblr.com/db84f01855f8784786c878193e50a12c/7d3b980d762b8ee2-62/s640x960/437b3e3cb1d1e7460badb43acec957e49b71d87c.gif

https://64.media.tumblr.com/07bb50735c980aad78e673fe6a4cd1f4/7d3b980d762b8ee2-61/s640x960/ea4ca56a333d40aaf01b76ff2aa2348bf0046ddd.gif

Sidereals

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Yeah this is how Duck Fate works

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Is this a Water DB trying to assassinate a sidereal?

(who they probably didn't even know was an exalt)

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SCARLET YAAAY SCARLET

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@winged swallow Probably something to keep in mind if you weren't already, re: make sure there's weird shit at Essence 1

[winged swallow]

i contemplated a mechanic where you could opt out of a supernal and gain generalist benefits but i didn’t know how to mechanically represent that

[winged swallow]

yeah things need to be rebalanced anyway since new supernal is (effective essence = (current essence + 1)))

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Yeah

But even beyond balance I think there's a secondary question of excitement

Where like, even if E1 is loaded with top-tier dice tricks

If all it's got are dice tricks

I am bored now

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when i say rebalanced

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Is what I'm getting at

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i mean like

not just crunch

fluff shit too

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Aye

There's an E5 Abyssal survival charm for creating a blizzard, which is amazing and I love that

[merry arch]

yeah i like this idea personally, though im not a game designer or homebrewer in any capacity so. sounds cool. got no clue where to steer that either LOL

[winged swallow]

yeah i’d like to keep trying to make it work

but so far nothing has stuck

[winged swallow]

mm, yeah i know what you mean

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But that portion of the tree's only E1 part is "weather doesn't do much to you"

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Del do you have a blank version of this

[merry arch]

if u ever need to find it again it's in #oc-cantina pins

[winged swallow]

i should fill this out for harrow sometime

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Is it a bad sign that my first two thoughts for the Abyssal I'm starting to put together for this are FLCL Naoto and Toph Bei Fong

[prisma sun]

don't see why

[merry arch]

this is the butch im considering fastballing into exalted

[winged swallow]

oh. ohohohohohohohohho

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Also Seven Edges of the Raiton is an unreasonably cool charm

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sir integra
my unabashed love

llewelyn
CYMRAEG REFERENCE

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HAHAHAHA

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It would be very funny if every single time one of these ref sheets got posted Alucard Castlevania was on it

[merry arch]

look alucard is fundamental brainrot for me

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felt

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Oh I'm just amused that he appears on both yours and Delilah's

And think we should keep up the streak

[merry arch]

lilah helped quite a lot in the brainstorming of mr. alicia there

[winged swallow]

hm. harrow’s would be… the punisher, hakaider, DRK ff14, marie sanson, uhhhhhhhh

[merry arch]

strong as fuck already

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the funny thing is i never knew or considered hakaider when i was making harrow initially

delilah was like “hey, hakaider’s pretty harrowcore”

and then she brought up the “if you are justice, then i am revenge!” quote

and i was like “oh wow that IS harrow-esque”

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HAHAHAHA

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hakaider is good civilization